Job done for Tyrone yesterday with our first points on the board. Not the most impressive performance with too many (11) scorable wides, simple free kicks missed and gapping holes through the centre of our defence. Good job Dublin won't be in a position to exploit these ;)
However, minds should be focused during the week and better these are exposed and worked on before the sky blue juggernaught steams through and rips us to shreds. For me Mark Bradley has to start and get plenty of ball in good and early. If I was in Mickey's shoes I'd go for:
Morgan (assuming Mickey is rotating)
Hampsey
McNamee
McCarron
McCann
Justy
Munroe
C Cavanagh
M Donnelly (assuming he's fit)
McClure
Sludden
Harte
Bradley
McShane
McCurry
If Donnelly not fit then Sean in at No 9. I would give McShane another go at FF although he needs to sty closer to goal and have either Bradley or McCurry very close to him, if it's going to be given a shot give it a proper go!
Also think Meyler could be squeezed in, although can't find a space for him. Serious selection headaches for Mickey.
I'd start Sean at FF and let him hit the frees from the left.
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 06, 2017, 12:14:01 PM
Job done for Tyrone yesterday with our first points on the board. Not the most impressive performance with too many (11) scorable wides, simple free kicks missed and gapping holes through the centre of our defence. Good job Dublin won't be in a position to exploit these ;)
However, minds should be focused during the week and better these are exposed and worked on before the sky blue juggernaught steams through and rips us to shreds. For me Mark Bradley has to start and get plenty of ball in good and early. If I was in Mickey's shoes I'd go for:
Morgan (assuming Mickey is rotating)
Hampsey
McNamee
McCarron
McCann
Justy
Munroe
C Cavanagh
M Donnelly (assuming he's fit)
McClure
Sludden
Harte
Bradley
McShane
McCurry
If Donnelly not fit then Sean in at No 9. I would give McShane another go at FF although he needs to sty closer to goal and have either Bradley or McCurry very close to him, if it's going to be given a shot give it a proper go!
Also think Meyler could be squeezed in, although can't find a space for him. Serious selection headaches for Mickey.
Would go with something along the same lines, is it not a minimum 1 week absence if concussion is involved? This would mean Mattie misses out.
I'd like to see Burns get a go at 6 at some stage during the league but I'd go with Justy for the Dubs. Wouldn't mind seeing Conall McCann at 11 either.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 06, 2017, 05:42:47 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 06, 2017, 12:14:01 PM
Job done for Tyrone yesterday with our first points on the board. Not the most impressive performance with too many (11) scorable wides, simple free kicks missed and gapping holes through the centre of our defence. Good job Dublin won't be in a position to exploit these ;)
However, minds should be focused during the week and better these are exposed and worked on before the sky blue juggernaught steams through and rips us to shreds. For me Mark Bradley has to start and get plenty of ball in good and early. If I was in Mickey's shoes I'd go for:
Morgan (assuming Mickey is rotating)
Hampsey
McNamee
McCarron
McCann
Justy
Munroe
C Cavanagh
M Donnelly (assuming he's fit)
McClure
Sludden
Harte
Bradley
McShane
McCurry
If Donnelly not fit then Sean in at No 9. I would give McShane another go at FF although he needs to sty closer to goal and have either Bradley or McCurry very close to him, if it's going to be given a shot give it a proper go!
Also think Meyler could be squeezed in, although can't find a space for him. Serious selection headaches for Mickey.
Would go with something along the same lines, is it not a minimum 1 week absence if concussion is involved? This would mean Mattie misses out.
I'd like to see Burns get a go at 6 at some stage during the league but I'd go with Justy for the Dubs. Wouldn't mind seeing Conall McCann at 11 either.
Instead of Sludden? Are you mad?
What about Lee Brennan? He picked up an injury last week when the U.21s beat Dublin but surely he'll be in the reckoning this year?
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 06, 2017, 05:42:47 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 06, 2017, 12:14:01 PM
Job done for Tyrone yesterday with our first points on the board. Not the most impressive performance with too many (11) scorable wides, simple free kicks missed and gapping holes through the centre of our defence. Good job Dublin won't be in a position to exploit these ;)
However, minds should be focused during the week and better these are exposed and worked on before the sky blue juggernaught steams through and rips us to shreds. For me Mark Bradley has to start and get plenty of ball in good and early. If I was in Mickey's shoes I'd go for:
Morgan (assuming Mickey is rotating)
Hampsey
McNamee
McCarron
McCann
Justy
Munroe
C Cavanagh
M Donnelly (assuming he's fit)
McClure
Sludden
Harte
Bradley
McShane
McCurry
If Donnelly not fit then Sean in at No 9. I would give McShane another go at FF although he needs to sty closer to goal and have either Bradley or McCurry very close to him, if it's going to be given a shot give it a proper go!
Also think Meyler could be squeezed in, although can't find a space for him. Serious selection headaches for Mickey.
Would go with something along the same lines, is it not a minimum 1 week absence if concussion is involved? This would mean Mattie misses out.
I'd like to see Burns get a go at 6 at some stage during the league but I'd go with Justy for the Dubs. Wouldn't mind seeing Conall McCann at 11 either.
Do we know for certain it was concussion?
Sledge the shite outta them Tyrone. It might just work!
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 06, 2017, 08:59:14 PM
Sledge the shite outta them Tyrone. It might just work!
Who do the neutrals want to win this one?
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 06, 2017, 07:29:43 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 06, 2017, 05:42:47 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 06, 2017, 12:14:01 PM
Job done for Tyrone yesterday with our first points on the board. Not the most impressive performance with too many (11) scorable wides, simple free kicks missed and gapping holes through the centre of our defence. Good job Dublin won't be in a position to exploit these ;)
However, minds should be focused during the week and better these are exposed and worked on before the sky blue juggernaught steams through and rips us to shreds. For me Mark Bradley has to start and get plenty of ball in good and early. If I was in Mickey's shoes I'd go for:
Morgan (assuming Mickey is rotating)
Hampsey
McNamee
McCarron
McCann
Justy
Munroe
C Cavanagh
M Donnelly (assuming he's fit)
McClure
Sludden
Harte
Bradley
McShane
McCurry
If Donnelly not fit then Sean in at No 9. I would give McShane another go at FF although he needs to sty closer to goal and have either Bradley or McCurry very close to him, if it's going to be given a shot give it a proper go!
Also think Meyler could be squeezed in, although can't find a space for him. Serious selection headaches for Mickey.
Would go with something along the same lines, is it not a minimum 1 week absence if concussion is involved? This would mean Mattie misses out.
I'd like to see Burns get a go at 6 at some stage during the league but I'd go with Justy for the Dubs. Wouldn't mind seeing Conall McCann at 11 either.
Instead of Sludden? Are you mad?
Instead of Sludden? No.
Quote from: Rois on February 06, 2017, 09:29:00 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 06, 2017, 08:59:14 PM
Sledge the shite outta them Tyrone. It might just work!
Who do the neutrals want to win this one?
Neutral? define neutral? one who has an equal deep distaste for both combatants? :D
But when it comes to Dublin, then I'd be inclined to not mind at all if Tyrone use every last dark art contained in the vast Tyrone encyclopedias of the dark arts, in order to pummel the educationally challenged Dubs into the ground.
Red Árses abu!
Quote from: Rois on February 06, 2017, 09:29:00 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 06, 2017, 08:59:14 PM
Sledge the shite outta them Tyrone. It might just work!
Who do the neutrals want to win this one?
Tyrone, cannot warm to Jim Gavin.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 06, 2017, 09:36:59 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 06, 2017, 07:29:43 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 06, 2017, 05:42:47 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 06, 2017, 12:14:01 PM
Job done for Tyrone yesterday with our first points on the board. Not the most impressive performance with too many (11) scorable wides, simple free kicks missed and gapping holes through the centre of our defence. Good job Dublin won't be in a position to exploit these ;)
However, minds should be focused during the week and better these are exposed and worked on before the sky blue juggernaught steams through and rips us to shreds. For me Mark Bradley has to start and get plenty of ball in good and early. If I was in Mickey's shoes I'd go for:
Morgan (assuming Mickey is rotating)
Hampsey
McNamee
McCarron
McCann
Justy
Munroe
C Cavanagh
M Donnelly (assuming he's fit)
McClure
Sludden
Harte
Bradley
McShane
McCurry
If Donnelly not fit then Sean in at No 9. I would give McShane another go at FF although he needs to sty closer to goal and have either Bradley or McCurry very close to him, if it's going to be given a shot give it a proper go!
Also think Meyler could be squeezed in, although can't find a space for him. Serious selection headaches for Mickey.
Would go with something along the same lines, is it not a minimum 1 week absence if concussion is involved? This would mean Mattie misses out.
I'd like to see Burns get a go at 6 at some stage during the league but I'd go with Justy for the Dubs. Wouldn't mind seeing Conall McCann at 11 either.
Instead of Sludden? Are you mad?
Instead of Sludden? No.
Why burns at 6. Think he played u21 one game at 6 and was poor v Cavan. He's played all his football at midfield or forwards. His he an option at frees, took them for his club. Mccann was good at club level but can't see him getting a starting place. Matty at 6 was a stop gap until Brennan returned to the half back line.
Have Tyrone found a free taker? Doubt they'll win an all Ireland til they do
Hempsey struggled on Sunday . Didn't touch ball or man in first half . Off the pace as well. Steep learning curve.
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Quote from: Whishtup on February 06, 2017, 11:43:17 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 06, 2017, 10:32:18 PM
Quote from: Rois on February 06, 2017, 09:29:00 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 06, 2017, 08:59:14 PM
Sledge the shite outta them Tyrone. It might just work!
Who do the neutrals want to win this one?
Tyrone, cannot warm to Jim Gavin.
It's the squintin' and smirkin'.
I hope Dublin hammer the f**kers into the ground. )
I suppose you need to get your kicks where you can get them these days. I'd say most Tyrone fans dont even know if Armagh are playing this weekend, never mind having such strong emotions on whether they win or not.
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 07, 2017, 01:00:03 AM
Quote from: stew on February 06, 2017, 11:49:06 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on February 06, 2017, 11:43:17 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 06, 2017, 10:32:18 PM
Quote from: Rois on February 06, 2017, 09:29:00 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 06, 2017, 08:59:14 PM
Sledge the shite outta them Tyrone. It might just work!
Who do the neutrals want to win this one?
Tyrone, cannot warm to Jim Gavin.
It's the squintin' and smirkin'.
I hope Dublin hammer the f**kers into the ground. )
I suppose you need to get your kicks where you can get them these days. I'd say most Tyrone fans dont even know if Armagh are playing this weekend, never mind having such strong emotions on whether they win or not.
Generally with this type of fixture, Dublin v Tyrone, it's a win win situation for the "neutral".
That new Scully lad looked very good for the Dubs last week and will need to be well marked. Last Sunday might be a bit of a wakeup for our defence who looked shakey.
I also was disappointed with Hampsey who seemed scared to get out in front of his man but I suppose he's more used to playing full back.
We drew the last time we played the Dubs
I would take the hand of you for the draw.
As long as we remain competitive for 65 odd minutes I will be happy.
Feel the most important thing is getting a run at the Dubs at CP - the more games we get there before August the better
30 league and championship games undefeated. They MUST be stopped.
Dubs' unbeaten NFL run
2015
Tyrone - Draw
Mayo - won by 14
Derry - won by 4
Monaghan - won by 11
Monaghan - won by 1
Cork - won by 11
2016
Kerry - won by 6
Mayo - won by 2
Monaghan - won by 1
Cork - won by 4
Down - won by 8
Donegal - won by 6
Roscommon - won by 1
Donegal - won by 10
Kerry - won by 11
2017
Cavan - won by 7
Tyrone have announced a new sponsorship deal with Duracell and Beyonce
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJSik6ejkr0
They shall henceforth be known as 'd'invincibles!'
Is that Tiernan McCann practicising his diving and under water running
Quote from: redzone on February 06, 2017, 11:01:29 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 06, 2017, 09:36:59 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 06, 2017, 07:29:43 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 06, 2017, 05:42:47 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 06, 2017, 12:14:01 PM
Job done for Tyrone yesterday with our first points on the board. Not the most impressive performance with too many (11) scorable wides, simple free kicks missed and gapping holes through the centre of our defence. Good job Dublin won't be in a position to exploit these ;)
However, minds should be focused during the week and better these are exposed and worked on before the sky blue juggernaught steams through and rips us to shreds. For me Mark Bradley has to start and get plenty of ball in good and early. If I was in Mickey's shoes I'd go for:
Morgan (assuming Mickey is rotating)
Hampsey
McNamee
McCarron
McCann
Justy
Munroe
C Cavanagh
M Donnelly (assuming he's fit)
McClure
Sludden
Harte
Bradley
McShane
McCurry
If Donnelly not fit then Sean in at No 9. I would give McShane another go at FF although he needs to sty closer to goal and have either Bradley or McCurry very close to him, if it's going to be given a shot give it a proper go!
Also think Meyler could be squeezed in, although can't find a space for him. Serious selection headaches for Mickey.
Would go with something along the same lines, is it not a minimum 1 week absence if concussion is involved? This would mean Mattie misses out.
I'd like to see Burns get a go at 6 at some stage during the league but I'd go with Justy for the Dubs. Wouldn't mind seeing Conall McCann at 11 either.
Instead of Sludden? Are you mad?
Instead of Sludden? No.
Why burns at 6. Think he played u21 one game at 6 and was poor v Cavan. He's played all his football at midfield or forwards. His he an option at frees, took them for his club. Mccann was good at club level but can't see him getting a starting place. Matty at 6 was a stop gap until Brennan returned to the half back line.
Think he would do well there, was excellent at minor where he played a sweeper role and I think he reads the game well. He would also bring some physicality there.
Hoping McCann might kick on, he's a nice footballer and a big lad. If he can add a bit more aggression to his game he could do very well for the county.
Quote from: Main Street on February 06, 2017, 10:24:41 PM
Quote from: Rois on February 06, 2017, 09:29:00 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 06, 2017, 08:59:14 PM
Sledge the shite outta them Tyrone. It might just work!
Who do the neutrals want to win this one?
Neutral? define neutral? one who has an equal deep distaste for both combatants? :D
But when it comes to Dublin, then I'd be inclined to not mind at all if Tyrone use every last dark art contained in the vast Tyrone encyclopedias of the dark arts, in order to pummel the educationally challenged Dubs into the ground.
Red Árses abu!
I'm imagine most "neutrals" would like to see Dublin get a beating and wouldn't mind seeing who does it.
Wonder what sort of attendance it will attract.
Tyrone usually do well against the Dubs on Saturday night floodlit games. Think it has been wins in 2007, 2009, 2013 and a draw 2 years ago. Expecting another big performance from Tyrone this Saturday night...
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 07, 2017, 06:56:29 PM
Quote from: redzone on February 06, 2017, 11:01:29 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 06, 2017, 09:36:59 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 06, 2017, 07:29:43 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 06, 2017, 05:42:47 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 06, 2017, 12:14:01 PM
Job done for Tyrone yesterday with our first points on the board. Not the most impressive performance with too many (11) scorable wides, simple free kicks missed and gapping holes through the centre of our defence. Good job Dublin won't be in a position to exploit these ;)
However, minds should be focused during the week and better these are exposed and worked on before the sky blue juggernaught steams through and rips us to shreds. For me Mark Bradley has to start and get plenty of ball in good and early. If I was in Mickey's shoes I'd go for:
Morgan (assuming Mickey is rotating)
Hampsey
McNamee
McCarron
McCann
Justy
Munroe
C Cavanagh
M Donnelly (assuming he's fit)
McClure
Sludden
Harte
Bradley
McShane
McCurry
If Donnelly not fit then Sean in at No 9. I would give McShane another go at FF although he needs to sty closer to goal and have either Bradley or McCurry very close to him, if it's going to be given a shot give it a proper go!
Also think Meyler could be squeezed in, although can't find a space for him. Serious selection headaches for Mickey.
Would go with something along the same lines, is it not a minimum 1 week absence if concussion is involved? This would mean Mattie misses out.
I'd like to see Burns get a go at 6 at some stage during the league but I'd go with Justy for the Dubs. Wouldn't mind seeing Conall McCann at 11 either.
Instead of Sludden? Are you mad?
Instead of Sludden? No.
Why burns at 6. Think he played u21 one game at 6 and was poor v Cavan. He's played all his football at midfield or forwards. His he an option at frees, took them for his club. Mccann was good at club level but can't see him getting a starting place. Matty at 6 was a stop gap until Brennan returned to the half back line.
Think he would do well there, was excellent at minor where he played a sweeper role and I think he reads the game well. He would also bring some physicality there.
Hoping McCann might kick on, he's a nice footballer and a big lad. If he can add a bit more aggression to his game he could do very well for the county.
I agree regarding Burns. A class act, reads the game very well and superb in possession, definitely worth a few games at number 6 to see if he fits into the role. Looking forward to the return of his clubmate Kieran McGeary too. Hopefully should be pushing for a wing back spot this year. With regards McCann, I just have flash backs to his cameo v Monaghan a few years ago where is came on and made a few mistakes, I'm probably being harsh as I'm sure he's improved since then.
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 07, 2017, 08:18:57 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 07, 2017, 06:56:29 PM
Quote from: redzone on February 06, 2017, 11:01:29 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 06, 2017, 09:36:59 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 06, 2017, 07:29:43 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 06, 2017, 05:42:47 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 06, 2017, 12:14:01 PM
Job done for Tyrone yesterday with our first points on the board. Not the most impressive performance with too many (11) scorable wides, simple free kicks missed and gapping holes through the centre of our defence. Good job Dublin won't be in a position to exploit these ;)
However, minds should be focused during the week and better these are exposed and worked on before the sky blue juggernaught steams through and rips us to shreds. For me Mark Bradley has to start and get plenty of ball in good and early. If I was in Mickey's shoes I'd go for:
Morgan (assuming Mickey is rotating)
Hampsey
McNamee
McCarron
McCann
Justy
Munroe
C Cavanagh
M Donnelly (assuming he's fit)
McClure
Sludden
Harte
Bradley
McShane
McCurry
If Donnelly not fit then Sean in at No 9. I would give McShane another go at FF although he needs to sty closer to goal and have either Bradley or McCurry very close to him, if it's going to be given a shot give it a proper go!
Also think Meyler could be squeezed in, although can't find a space for him. Serious selection headaches for Mickey.
Would go with something along the same lines, is it not a minimum 1 week absence if concussion is involved? This would mean Mattie misses out.
I'd like to see Burns get a go at 6 at some stage during the league but I'd go with Justy for the Dubs. Wouldn't mind seeing Conall McCann at 11 either.
Instead of Sludden? Are you mad?
Instead of Sludden? No.
Why burns at 6. Think he played u21 one game at 6 and was poor v Cavan. He's played all his football at midfield or forwards. His he an option at frees, took them for his club. Mccann was good at club level but can't see him getting a starting place. Matty at 6 was a stop gap until Brennan returned to the half back line.
Think he would do well there, was excellent at minor where he played a sweeper role and I think he reads the game well. He would also bring some physicality there.
Hoping McCann might kick on, he's a nice footballer and a big lad. If he can add a bit more aggression to his game he could do very well for the county.
I agree regarding Burns. A class act, reads the game very well and superb in possession, definitely worth a few games at number 6 to see if he fits into the role. Looking forward to the return of his clubmate Kieran McGeary too. Hopefully should be pushing for a wing back spot this year. With regards McCann, I just have flash backs to his cameo v Monaghan a few years ago where is came on and made a few mistakes, I'm probably being harsh as I'm sure he's improved since then.
I would have been very unimpressed with McCann in his brief outings in his first 2 years but Harte seems to rate him highly as he's been ahead of a few guys who would have been more worth a go you'd have imagined. He looked to be playing very well at club level and maybe now is the time when he will kick on.
He has all the qualities to be a great 11, big strong lad, plays with his head up and can pick a pass and take a score. He's just seemed to be a bit casual and passive in the past when presented with a chance. If he can get that bit more aggression in his play then he can be a good player for us. I think he is worth a few games there in any case, hasn't really got any sort of continuity yet for county.
I rate McGeary too, think he's much more suited to wing back than at half forward. We've about 7 or 8 lads who have been on the periphery in the past season or two so I'm hoping they can push on this year.
Quote from: stew on February 06, 2017, 11:49:06 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on February 06, 2017, 11:43:17 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 06, 2017, 10:32:18 PM
Quote from: Rois on February 06, 2017, 09:29:00 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 06, 2017, 08:59:14 PM
Sledge the shite outta them Tyrone. It might just work!
Who do the neutrals want to win this one?
Tyrone, cannot warm to Jim Gavin.
It's the squintin' and smirkin'.
I hope Dublin hammer the f**kers into the ground. )
Time to move on Stew... Leave 03 and 05 behind you!!
Lads Here me out on this one!
Is there anyway I could buy a few tickets for premium level somewhere - I have a relative and his two kids over and they wanted to experience it. I know theres an exchange platfom but I think you have to be in the premium gang to use them.
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Lads Here me out on this one!
Is there anyway I could buy a few tickets for premium level somewhere - I have a relative and his two kids over and they wanted to experience it. I know theres an exchange platfom but I think you have to be in the premium gang to use them.
If you know anyone who owns premium seats they are able to buy up to 4 more on the ticket exchange (assuming some are being made available)
They are €25 each and as if yesterday there were none available but maybe later in the week.
But how do we bate the Dubs?
Squeeze the life outta them for a 9-8 victory? Is that any good in the long term? Or try a toe-to-toe system and risk humilation but with also a chance of smashing the myth.
Will Dublin play their thirds in a show of strength? Saturday night massacre.
Sorta need Mattie.
I'd be expecting a similar game to 2015 where it was 1.09 to 0.12 where we played it quite tight at the back yet we took our scores quite well when we attacked.
I heard James McCarthy on TV yesterday saying they are a bit worried about Tyrone breaking their record but it won't be the end of the world if they do.
If Tyrone play like they did against the Rossies you would imagine they will lose but often we raise our game against the Dubs in Croker and I just hope we see Bradley start and maybe Lee Brennan come on for the 2nd half.
I hope Sean starts as well as I fear Mattie will miss out.
We have to keep it tight at the back on Saturday night. It is pointless going toe to toe with the Dubs as they demonstrate in most games.
The key will be how quickly we break and committing players to the break. High energy game which means we will need our bench in the home straight as players will run out of gas.
Worst case scenario is Dubs get a goal or two in first 15mins and game plans go out window.
Need our scorers to score, very simple really
Rory Brennan was back in action for UUJ today so will presumably be available.
Again player burnout raises its head.Meyler,Mc Shane and Mc Cann 3 games plus extra time in 6 days if selected for saturday night.
Quote from: skeog on February 08, 2017, 06:54:27 PM
Again player burnout raises its head.Meyler,Mc Shane and Mc Cann 3 games plus extra time in 6 days if selected for saturday night.
It's madness, Sigerson should not involve county players.
Mcgeary is out injured for a few months by reports.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 08, 2017, 08:16:11 PM
Quote from: skeog on February 08, 2017, 06:54:27 PM
Again player burnout raises its head.Meyler,Mc Shane and Mc Cann 3 games plus extra time in 6 days if selected for saturday night.
It's madness, Sigerson should not involve county players.
Or those lads should not be expected to be involved for their county until the sigerson is over
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 08, 2017, 08:16:11 PM
Quote from: skeog on February 08, 2017, 06:54:27 PM
Again player burnout raises its head.Meyler,Mc Shane and Mc Cann 3 games plus extra time in 6 days if selected for saturday night.
It's madness, Sigerson should not involve county players.
Or those lads should not be expected to be involved for their county until the sigerson is over
Not sure what county you are from but that would probably wipe out about a 3rd of the tyrone panel for first few games. staying in div 1 now crucial
Quote from: macdanger2 on February 06, 2017, 11:47:07 PM
Have Tyrone found a free taker? Doubt they'll win an all Ireland til they do
This
Quote from: stew on February 06, 2017, 11:49:06 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on February 06, 2017, 11:43:17 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 06, 2017, 10:32:18 PM
Quote from: Rois on February 06, 2017, 09:29:00 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 06, 2017, 08:59:14 PM
Sledge the shite outta them Tyrone. It might just work!
Who do the neutrals want to win this one?
Tyrone, cannot warm to Jim Gavin.
It's the squintin' and smirkin'.
I hope Dublin hammer the f**kers into the ground. )
The hurt is deep with this one after 14 years, Obi Wan. Good. Good
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 08, 2017, 08:16:11 PM
Quote from: skeog on February 08, 2017, 06:54:27 PM
Again player burnout raises its head.Meyler,Mc Shane and Mc Cann 3 games plus extra time in 6 days if selected for saturday night.
It's madness, Sigerson should not involve county players.
Players want to win Sigerson medals and fair play to them. Its not all about the county
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Again player burnout raises its head.Meyler,Mc Shane and Mc Cann 3 games plus extra time in 6 days if selected for saturday night.
It's madness, Sigerson should not involve county players.
Players want to win Sigerson medals and fair play to them. Its not all about the county
I don't think many players give too much of a damn either way about Sigerson, it's more of a box ticking exercise for a handy route through university and a lifestyle that suits a modern day intercounty footballer.
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 08, 2017, 08:16:11 PM
Quote from: skeog on February 08, 2017, 06:54:27 PM
Again player burnout raises its head.Meyler,Mc Shane and Mc Cann 3 games plus extra time in 6 days if selected for saturday night.
It's madness, Sigerson should not involve county players.
Players want to win Sigerson medals and fair play to them. Its not all about the county
Totally agree, fantastic competition which players cherish. It is played early in the season so it works fairly well. If Dublin are up for this game then they will beat tyrone easy enough. Tyrones defensive gameplan will be shown up as they will struggle for scores. Having said that they could limit the damage by getting their usual 15 men inside their own 45 defending desperately and trying to hit on the break.
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Quote from: Avondhu star on February 09, 2017, 06:24:36 PM
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Quote from: skeog on February 08, 2017, 06:54:27 PM
Again player burnout raises its head.Meyler,Mc Shane and Mc Cann 3 games plus extra time in 6 days if selected for saturday night.
It's madness, Sigerson should not involve county players.
Players want to win Sigerson medals and fair play to them. Its not all about the county
I don't think many players give too much of a damn either way about Sigerson, it's more of a box ticking exercise for a handy route through university and a lifestyle that suits a modern day intercounty footballer.
I was at the St Marys game. Meyler Mc Shane and Mc Cann all played their hearts out, as did the whole team. College football is massive for loads of footballers. Granted some lads who play for the poly who probably don't even study there hardly care too much but again the arrogance that county football is the only football worth playing is stinking
I think proper students, be they county players or not, value a Sigerson title.
The likes of Jack McCaffrey or John Heslin in UCD doing 4/5 year undergrad courses who have a genuine affinity for the place.
The lads that are brought in to do an MSc in flower-arranging probably don't.
In hiding who are the flower arrangers out in UUJ.
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Quote from: Avondhu star on February 09, 2017, 06:24:36 PM
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Quote from: skeog on February 08, 2017, 06:54:27 PM
Again player burnout raises its head.Meyler,Mc Shane and Mc Cann 3 games plus extra time in 6 days if selected for saturday night.
It's madness, Sigerson should not involve county players.
Players want to win Sigerson medals and fair play to them. Its not all about the county
I don't think many players give too much of a damn either way about Sigerson, it's more of a box ticking exercise for a handy route through university and a lifestyle that suits a modern day intercounty footballer.
I was at the St Marys game. Meyler Mc Shane and Mc Cann all played their hearts out, as did the whole team. College football is massive for loads of footballers. Granted some lads who play for the poly who probably don't even study there hardly care too much but again the arrogance that county football is the only football worth playing is stinking
Bar McKernan, there's barely an established county footballer in that Mary's side.
I don't think any of McCann, Meyler or McShane have double figure appearances in Championship yet.
That's not taking anything away from them but I would say university football just gets in the way for more established senior players, with bigger prizes on the mind.
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Quote from: skeog on February 08, 2017, 06:54:27 PM
Again player burnout raises its head.Meyler,Mc Shane and Mc Cann 3 games plus extra time in 6 days if selected for saturday night.
It's madness, Sigerson should not involve county players.
Bar McKernan, there's barely an established county footballer in that Mary's side.
I don't think any of McCann, Meyler or McShane have double figure appearances in Championship yet.
That's not taking anything away from them but I would say university football just gets in the way for more established senior players, with bigger prizes on the mind.
Bomber make up your mind
Quote from: skeog on February 08, 2017, 06:54:27 PM
Again player burnout raises its head.Meyler,Mc Shane and Mc Cann 3 games plus extra time in 6 days if selected for saturday night.
U21 football championship was scrapped on the fear of player burn out eventhough the sigerson cup football is more responsible for player burn out and next weekend you have the ridiculous schedule of two games in two days.
Players do care for the sigerson cup however all would have no complaints if this competition was played before the NFL starts.
Sigerson should have been scrapped way before the u21 competition.
It's a farce of a competition - attended by very few people (with little interest to most Gaels across Ireland) , it contributes to the farce of players Playing for a University that they have never attended. Playing for a University team at 26/27 years of age and not even doing a course.
The teams are mostly made up of young inter county players in their first or second year of county football. (See UUJ team line up) it finds very few new talents as most of those players don't make it on to a sigerson starting 15.
The u21 competition contributed far more to the emergence of new talent in counties. It gave players a chance to represent the county and allowed players to make the step up to senior level.
Glorified competitions like Sigerson should have got chopped ahead of it.
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 08, 2017, 08:16:11 PM
Quote from: skeog on February 08, 2017, 06:54:27 PM
Again player burnout raises its head.Meyler,Mc Shane and Mc Cann 3 games plus extra time in 6 days if selected for saturday night.
It's madness, Sigerson should not involve county players.
Bar McKernan, there's barely an established county footballer in that Mary's side.
I don't think any of McCann, Meyler or McShane have double figure appearances in Championship yet.
That's not taking anything away from them but I would say university football just gets in the way for more established senior players, with bigger prizes on the mind.
Bomber make up your mind
My mind is made up. I've pointed the success of a side like Marys is that they don't have many established county players. I don't think Sigerson should involve county players, I think a lot of the high profile players in it don't really care too much for it and it's more football for lads who are already doing too much.
County will always be top priority for these players.
Tyrone team v Dublin http://tyronegaa.ie/2017/02/tyrone-team-v-dublin-allianz-football-league-saturday-11th-february/
Comórtas: Sraith Náisiúnta Peil
Cluiche: Áth Cliath v Tír Eoghain
Ionad: Páirc an Chrócaigh
Dáta: 11 Feabhra 2017
Senior Appearances in brackets
1 - Niall Morgan - Éadan na dTorc (56)
2 - Pádraig Hampsey - Oileán a'Ghuail (14)
3 - Ronan McNamee - Achadh Uí Aráin (57)
4 - Cathal McCarron - An Droim Mór (92)
5 - Tiernan McCann - Coill an Chlochair (48)
6 - Peter Harte - Aireagal Chiaráin (110)
7 - Jonathan Monroe - An Charraig Mhór (16)
8 - Colm Cavanagh - An Mhaigh (128)
9 - Padraig McNulty - Dún Geanainn (35)
10 - Conor Meyler - An Omaigh (16)
11 - Niall Sludden - An Droim Mhór (23)
12 - Declan McClure - Cluain Eo (6)
13 - Darren McCurry - Éadan na dTorc (67)
14 - Cathal McShane - E. R. Uí Néill (22)
15 - Ronan O'Neill - An Omaigh (60)
16 - Mickey O'Neill - Cluain Eo (21)
17 - Mark Bradley - Coill an Chlochair (28)
18 - Lee Brennan - Trí Leac (12)
19 - Rory Brennan - Trí Leac (21)
20 - Sean Cavanagh - An Mhaigh (228)
21 - Conal McCann - Coill an Chlochair (22)
22 - Aidan McCrory - Aireagal Chiaráin (89)
23 - Cahir McCullagh - An Caisleán Glas (6)
24 - Hugh Pat McGeary - Cabhán a'Chaortainn (8)
25 - Justin McMahon - An Omaigh (104)
26 - David Mulgrew - Ard Bó (3)
27 - Frank Burns - Cabhán a'Chaortainn (1)
28 - Ronan McHugh - Achadh Uí Aráin (5)
No Mattie, no Bradley. Can't understand Bradley's omission considering McShane also played mid week Sigerson.
Harte moving back instead of starting McCrory.
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Tyrone team v Dublin http://tyronegaa.ie/2017/02/tyrone-team-v-dublin-allianz-football-league-saturday-11th-february/
Comórtas: Sraith Náisiúnta Peil
Cluiche: Áth Cliath v Tír Eoghain
Ionad: Páirc an Chrócaigh
Dáta: 11 Feabhra 2017
Senior Appearances in brackets
1 - Niall Morgan - Éadan na dTorc (56)
2 - Pádraig Hampsey - Oileán a'Ghuail (14)
3 - Ronan McNamee - Achadh Uí Aráin (57)
4 - Cathal McCarron - An Droim Mór (92)
5 - Tiernan McCann - Coill an Chlochair (48)
6 - Peter Harte - Aireagal Chiaráin (110)
7 - Jonathan Monroe - An Charraig Mhór (16)
8 - Colm Cavanagh - An Mhaigh (128)
9 - Padraig McNulty - Dún Geanainn (35)
10 - Conor Meyler - An Omaigh (16)
11 - Niall Sludden - An Droim Mhór (23)
12 - Declan McClure - Cluain Eo (6)
13 - Darren McCurry - Éadan na dTorc (67)
14 - Cathal McShane - E. R. Uí Néill (22)
15 - Ronan O'Neill - An Omaigh (60)
16 - Mickey O'Neill - Cluain Eo (21)
17 - Mark Bradley - Coill an Chlochair (28)
18 - Lee Brennan - Trí Leac (12)
19 - Rory Brennan - Trí Leac (21)
20 - Sean Cavanagh - An Mhaigh (228)
21 - Conal McCann - Coill an Chlochair (22)
22 - Aidan McCrory - Aireagal Chiaráin (89)
23 - Cahir McCullagh - An Caisleán Glas (6)
24 - Hugh Pat McGeary - Cabhán a'Chaortainn (8)
25 - Justin McMahon - An Omaigh (104)
26 - David Mulgrew - Ard Bó (3)
27 - Frank Burns - Cabhán a'Chaortainn (1)
28 - Ronan McHugh - Achadh Uí Aráin (5)
No Mattie, no Bradley. Can't understand Bradley's omission considering McShane also played mid week Sigerson.
Bradley will start next time around certainly and I'd say there's a good chance he will start on Saturday. McClure for Mattie is the only change from the XV listed to start against Roscommon. Bradley has had a long year with club and all and I think Mickey is right to use him sparingly right now.
Hard to see that XV troubling the Dubs if they are anyway interested. Would McShane not be better in midfield instead of McNulty. Hopefully Brennan can get back to fitness & plug in at CHB. Harte & Matty are too accurate to be playing in defence
Quote from: sambostar on February 09, 2017, 10:57:52 PM
Hard to see that XV troubling the Dubs if they are anyway interested. Would McShane not be better in midfield instead of McNulty. Hopefully Brennan can get back to fitness & plug in at CHB. Harte & Matty are too accurate to be playing in defence
Tyrone have to give the Dubs a chance under lights having pretty much bate Cinderella out the door every year at the midnight ball held in her honour!
Did horse pick that team? Looks v defense orientated.
Is there not a rule that you can only name 24 players or is that championship only
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Did horse pick that team? Looks v defense orientated.
Does he not pick every team? Has been v defensive since he came in
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Did horse pick that team? Looks v defense orientated.
Does he not pick every team? Has been v defensive since he came in
That's why Bradley isn't starting. He can't get back inside his own 45 to defend and then join in with the counter attacks.
Quote from: rrhf on February 09, 2017, 11:50:50 PM
Did horse pick that team? Looks v defense orientated.
I'd say the team will line out defensive enough especially after being opened up so easily by Roscommon at the back in the first half last week. We'd need to be a bit more defensive cause Dublin would have had 3 or 4 goals in that first half the way we played. And for all this talk about everyone wanting to see us play this beautiful attacking football no one wants to go down to Dublin and see us hammered.
Having said that on paper its not an overly defensive team. Nearly every player is playing a similar position that they play for their club. The one exception is maybe McClure moving from midfield to half forward.
I suspect Colm Cavanagh will go back to playing as a sweeper. McClure will drop in around the middle with Ronan O'Neill being pulled out. Peter Harte will be giving freedom to drive forward from centre half back. I personally would worry about O'Neill dropping out given the athleticism of the Dubs. The role I'd be playing him if any is a last 20 minute man in the full forward line.
Not a chance that team will beat the Dubs. Very disappointed to be honest. Very early days and all but a good chance to give the team a confidence boost, this could have opposite effect
Agree regarding RoN, I kept an eye on him during the Ros game and noted a few occasions when he stopped altogether around midfield without chasing back. A strange choice for that role, if you ask me.
Very disappointed with that team as have been looking forward to this game since last year.
No Mattie, no Sean, no Bradley, can't believe after last week Ronan O'Neill is back in again. Is it just for the frees as he has very limited mobility.
I hope McShane continues his Sigerson form but he'll find Philly McMahon a very tough marker.
Probably the plan is keep it very tight for the first half and then bring on Sean and Bradley for the 2nd.
Quote from: redhandefender on February 10, 2017, 09:08:02 AM
Not a chance that team will beat the Dubs. Very disappointed to be honest. Very early days and all but a good chance to give the team a confidence boost, this could have opposite effect
Would have been more confident with Mattie Donnelly on but they still have a chance. Don't think anyone can have any complaints about defence. McClure has did enough to earn another start. The only players you could question starting are McNulty, McCurry and O'Neill.
I'm not convinced by McNulty but he did show signs of slight improvement in the McKenna Cup. And now is the time to try the likes of him. McCurry was excellent at times during the McKenna cup and given his ability and age deserves another go at it despite a poor showing last week. If we can keep it close Cavanagh and Bradley coming on could give the hole thing a lift. Few other decent options on the bench too.
Rony O'Neill starts again.....am I missing something? he's brutal slow in open play and hes not even that tara at the frees.
Image rights I think.
The last 3 league meetings between the teams have been very close. One win for each team and one draw.
16/03/13
Round 5 Dublin 1-14 - 0-18 Tyrone Croke Park, Dublin
Referee: M Duffy
D Connolly (0-6), P Ryan (1-0), K McManamon (0-2), P Andrews (0-2), P Flynn (0-2), C Dias (0-1)
S Cavanagh (0-4), S O'Neill (0-4), Mark Donnelly (0-2), P Harte (0-2), P Kane (0-2), C Cavanagh (0-1),
M Penrose (0-1), N Morgan (0-1), P McNeice (0-1)
06/04/14
Round 7 Tyrone 1-15 – 3-10 Dublin Healy Park, Omagh
Referee: Marty Duffy
D McCurry (0-6), P Harte (1-1), N Morgan (0-3), R O'Neill (0-2), Mark Donnelly (0-1), Mattie Donnelly (0-1), S Cavanagh (0-1)
D Connolly (0-5), J Whelan (1-1), J McCarthy (1-0), MD Macauley (1-0), A Brogan (0-1), B Cullen (0-1), K McManamon (0-1), P McMahon (0-1)
07/03/15
Round 3 Dublin 1-09 – 0-12 Tyrone Croke Park, Dublin
Referee: D Gough
D Rock (1-6), B Brogan (0-1), E O Conghaile (0-1), P Flynn (0-1)
S Cavanagh (0-4), D McCurry (0-2), B Tierney (0-1), J McMahon (0-1), M Bradley (0-1), M Donnelly (0-1), N Morgan (0-1), P McNulty (0-1)
Also surprised at RoN starting after the poor showing last weekend. Theoretically the team could change before throw-in with Mark Bradley taking his place but if this was to be the only change we would literally have no outfield player on the field capable of taking free kicks with their right foot. This could prove to be a serious problem as the year progresses particularly if big Sean doesn't start every game.
I'd have no problem playing Ronan O'Neill (or somebody else for that matter) every game solely for their free taking ability if they were proven to be consistently reliable at them. Unfortunately that hasn't been the case up until now.
Defensive minded team as expected but if we are going to hit them on the counter why o why is RON playing?
Bradley needs to start if we are going to get enough scores to win as RON free taking just not consistent enough.
McNulty will make it and I believe it is right to start him - the more game time, expecially in big games like this, he gets the better.
As alluded to before we need to ensure we keep it tight and dont get hit by a goal or 2 in first 15mins - if we do it could be a massacre
Is Ronan the new Conor Clarke always getting slated no matter how he plays.
Why do you say that Skeog? Do you think he played well recently? In my eyes he only played well last year against Derry but did very little every other game. His slow ponderous style is the opposite to what we need with our break at pace tactics.
Do you not think he was poor last week? Not just the missed frees but his lack of willingness to run and work hard.
Yes he's good at hitting a pass and has good vision but to play in the forward line nowadays you need to be willing to work hard OFF the ball and do things quickly.
Quote from: skeog on February 10, 2017, 04:09:25 PM
Is Ronan the new Conor Clarke always getting slated no matter how he plays.
Not at all - felt he slowed things last day out and against teams like the Dubs where we defend deep and break at speed he isnt the man.
Would be more suited to teams that defend deep against us
I think people are being a bit harsh on Ronan O'Neill here. Clearly a talented lad and needs games. There'd be the same faces on here criticizing if Ronan was dropped, bemoaning another lost talent who wasn't given a chance. Let's see how he gets on in a big test like v the Dubs in Croker. Last year was his first real ful, injury free, year in the senior jersey maybe he'll kick on now. I wouldn't be so quick to write him off! As for Bradley, clearly he's got a big role to play this season but it's very early days, I'm sure he will be involved sooner rather than later. .
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 10, 2017, 04:31:29 PM
Why do you say that Skeog? Do you think he played well recently? In my eyes he only played well last year against Derry but did very little every other game. His slow ponderous style is the opposite to what we need with our break at pace tactics.
Do you not think he was poor last week? Not just the missed frees but his lack of willingness to run and work hard.
Yes he's good at hitting a pass and has good vision but to play in the forward line nowadays you need to be willing to work hard OFF the ball and do things quickly.
Did you see tyrone play much championship football last year. He was good against cavan both days. (Didn't score in the replay - when other forwards were being selfish, he was being the opposite) , was on a hiding to nothing in the ulster final and did ok in the mayo game. Certainly did not play poorly.
He was poor on sunday though but was he the only one ? Seems he was as no one else seems to be getting slated. But sure aren't we like the English press
Quote from: redhandofgod on February 10, 2017, 11:21:11 AM
Rony O'Neill starts again.....am I missing something? he's brutal slow in open play and hes not even that tara at the frees.
He did a lot of running last week but always seemed to be out of puff.
Maybe he just needs a run of games to get his confidence and fitness levels up.
Without McAliskey we have fewer options so maybe the development needs to happen on the field.
Bradley to come on second half to take advantage if Dubs tiring early in the he season.
Quote from: bigpackiechestout on February 10, 2017, 11:55:26 AM
Also surprised at RoN starting after the poor showing last weekend. Theoretically the team could change before throw-in with Mark Bradley taking his place but if this was to be the only change we would literally have no outfield player on the field capable of taking free kicks with their right foot. This could prove to be a serious problem as the year progresses particularly if big Sean doesn't start every game.
I'd have no problem playing Ronan O'Neill (or somebody else for that matter) every game solely for their free taking ability if they were proven to be consistently reliable at them. Unfortunately that hasn't been the case up until now.
Morgan will probably take the long range ones on the left.
We don't seem to have too much of a problem with frees from inside 35 yards, it's outside where the issue has been.
I'd also be surprised if the team starts like that.
McClure who started last week in place of an injured McNulty is the only change to the team named last week. I will imagine Mickey will assess those involved in midweek action and a few changes will be made
I'd hate to think Mickey is thinking about putting Petey at 6. Even in today's game of players paying everywhere, 6 is still a specialist position, you need a guy there who can read the game well and hold the middle. To play it effectively will require that player to sacrifice their game and playing your best footballers there will certainly have a negative impact on their game. I really hope neither Mattie or Petey are put there when the serious football starts in the summer.
Right now the key men in the side are Colm Cavanagh, Sludden, Harte and Donnelly, they are the heart beat in the side. Cavanagh does so much work and offers great protection to his defence while the latter three are the players everything goes through. Hopefully Bradley can keep on progressing this year and become as important as them.
Regardless of what happens. There's one man who has brought himself to a new level with his performances for 4 years steady. That Colm Cavanagh hasn't an all star is unbelievable. To me he is a very strong possibility to be next years Tyrone captain. Although Marty donnelly and petite Harte would be deserving also.
Quote from: rrhf on February 10, 2017, 07:23:41 PM
Regardless of what happens. There's one man who has brought himself to a new level with his performances for 4 years steady. That Colm Cavanagh hasn't an all star is unbelievable. To me he is a very strong possibility to be next years Tyrone captain. Although Marty donnelly and petite Harte would be deserving also.
:D :D :D
Saved for the typo
Dubs make one change for tomorrow
http://www.dublingaa.ie/news/senior-footballers-make-one-change-for-duel-with-tyrone
Amazing after the last 4 games only 1 point between them to the dubs. Tyrone and dubs are a brilliant rivalry
What are the radiators like in Croke?
Plenty of bite in that Dublin attack. I see Jason Whelan is back.
Temperature here in Dublin 0 but realfeel -7 AccuWeather says.
Ronan O'Neill is one of the best forwards in Ulster. Don't get the criticism at all.
Quote from: RedHandTom on February 11, 2017, 02:38:07 PM
Ronan O'Neill is one of the best forwards in Ulster. Don't get the criticism at all.
Much as I like him and hope he goes on to fulfill his potetial, I would have to disagree with this.
Murphy
McBrearty
Clarke
Campbell
McManus
Corrigan
Lynch (when fit)
All better forwards
I hope he does well in Croker tonight and he's not too isolated.
Often when he gets the ball he has little support or options to pass it to.
He scored a great goal in the Div2 league final last year.
Any streams?
Dublins midfield and half forwards are slowing up the ball, probably due to weather .... And Tyrones defence
http://sportsntvlive.com/eir-sport-1-live-stream-watch-eir-sport-1-ireland-live/
Dublin getting bet and resorting to dirt, hope Tyrone see this one out. Good save by a very decent keeper.
How did bradley get sent off for that :o
Did he get sent off for getting pushed? Poor weather but the football has been bad. Still glad to see the Dublin apple cart being turned over.
Woeful game this Dublin v Tyrone match. Modern football at its worst.
From what we were shown in the slo mo replay, Bradley's barge into Cooper looked hard enough but well within the run of mill innocuous category, not worthy of notice.
There was some relief from this spectacle, with the 10 seconds from Tralee.
That was an exciting moment, Hawkeye.
If people can't appreciate the level of intensity and effort in this game, in shitty conditions in February, when one team is trying to end another's 30 game unbeaten run then I really don't know why you bother watching competitive sport at all.
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 11, 2017, 08:27:57 PM
If people can't appreciate the level of intensity and effort in this game, in shitty conditions in February, when one team is trying to end another's 30 game unbeaten run then I really don't know why you bother watching competitive sport at all.
Exactly. It's class. High intensity and some great performances.
That was a stunning equaliser from Rock, just when I thought Dublin were managing the game so well to hold onto their one point deficit.
Take the blinkers off. The sight of 14 white shirts filtering back behind the ball is obviously going to turn the game into a negative low scoring spectacle but as a neutral, no, I flicked between the 2 matches and ended up settling on Kerry v Mayo. If I had enjoyed it that much I don't think I would have been switching it over.
Incidentally Spillane wrote Mayo off for the season just 6 days ago after losing a div 1 league game in February with half a team. Wonder will he be doing likewise with Kerry now.
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 11, 2017, 08:27:57 PM
If people can't appreciate the level of intensity and effort in this game, in shitty conditions in February, when one team is trying to end another's 30 game unbeaten run then I really don't know why you bother watching competitive sport at all.
agreed. i enjoyed it, especially the 2nd half. 2 top teams giving everything in terrible conditions.
Sludden was phenomenal tonight.
Tyrone got exactly what they needed from that game. Very good result and performance.
Quote from: yellowcard on February 11, 2017, 08:44:10 PM
Take the blinkers off. The sight of 14 white shirts filtering back behind the ball is obviously going to turn the game into a negative low scoring spectacle but as a neutral, no, I flicked between the 2 matches and ended up settling on Kerry v Mayo. If I had enjoyed it that much I don't think I would have been switching it over.
Incidentally Spillane wrote Mayo off for the season just 6 days ago after losing a div 1 league game in February with half a team. Wonder will he be doing likewise with Kerry now.
Spillane did the same after Mayo were hammered by Cork in the opening round last year. He should know by now Mayo mix the very good with the very bad in the league. Their Championship form is not based on the League!
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 11, 2017, 08:49:31 PM
Sludden was phenomenal tonight.
Class. Perfect man for the style of play. Breaking at pace with an end product! Great display by Tyrone, if we can just become a bit more clinical up front then we aren't far away!
Sometimes I wonder what people want from games.
It may not have been high scoring but there was huge intensity to it and both teams giving it everything with some great individual performances.
Great game whole hearted effort Niall Sludden is some machine. What did Mark Bradley do i thought it harsh.
He will have excuses for Kerry, not for us.
He has Dublin V Kerry for the league final in his league preview in the paper.
Quote from: skeog on February 11, 2017, 08:58:32 PM
Great game whole hearted effort Niall Sludden is some machine. What did Mark Bradley do i thought it harsh.
great scores from fenton and kilkeeny as well before rocks at the death. red seemed harsh but how in the name of god did colm cavanagh not get a black ? I thoroughly enjoyed the 2nd half. Dubs were poor but still didn't lose. You have to hand it to them.
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 11, 2017, 08:55:00 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 11, 2017, 08:49:31 PM
Sludden was phenomenal tonight.
Class. Perfect man for the style of play. Breaking at pace with an end product! Great display by Tyrone, if we can just become a bit more clinical up front then we aren't far away!
He's like a hot knife cutting through butter. Some balance to him.
Quote from: straightred on February 11, 2017, 09:01:33 PM
Quote from: skeog on February 11, 2017, 08:58:32 PM
Great game whole hearted effort Niall Sludden is some machine. What did Mark Bradley do i thought it harsh.
great scores from fenton and kilkeeny as well before rocks at the death. red seemed harsh but how in the name of god did colm cavanagh not get a black ? I thoroughly enjoyed the 2nd half. Dubs were poor but still didn't lose. You have to hand it to them.
Usual oul craic with refs. Already given a black and red card and there was no chance he was giving another. Still don't know why Bradley got a straight red.
Far cry from the 80,000 attendance at the corresponding fixture 10 years ago.People getting pissed off with robotic football and blanket defences
Quote from: Main Street on February 11, 2017, 08:24:31 PM
From what we were shown in the slo mo replay, Bradley's barge into Cooper looked hard enough but well within the run of mill innocuous category, not worthy of notice.
There was some relief from this spectacle, with the 10 seconds from Tralee.
They had talked about there being a wrestling match between the 2 lads there had to be more went on than we saw.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on February 11, 2017, 08:55:47 PM
Sometimes I wonder what people want from games.
It may not have been high scoring but there was huge intensity to it and both teams giving it everything with some great individual performances.
The same could be said for 6 nations matches, I suppose different people enjoy different styles of game. I'd much prefer to see a kicking game with bodies ahead of the ball, Tyrone are becoming the new Donegal. I can understand why Harte is doing it as he has not got the inside forwards to play a more attractive game. All his best players are strong running athletes in the middle third of the field.
Whether you like the style or not I think Tyrone showed enough tonight to say that they are contenders for the AI though I still think they lack something to actually win it.
Quote from: T Fearon on February 11, 2017, 09:08:37 PM
Far cry from the 80,000 attendance at the corresponding fixture 10 years ago.People getting pissed off with robotic football and blanket defences
Given that was the first game in croke park under lights I would anticipate a bigger crowd.....
To be fair I dare say that anyone who attended the match tonight found it enjoyable - tight, tense and plenty of talking points
Quote from: screenexile on February 11, 2017, 09:14:50 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 11, 2017, 08:24:31 PM
From what we were shown in the slo mo replay, Bradley's barge into Cooper looked hard enough but well within the run of mill innocuous category, not worthy of notice.
There was some relief from this spectacle, with the 10 seconds from Tralee.
They had talked about there being a wrestling match between the 2 lads there had to be more went on than we saw.
It was a bit of a stretch, an innocent Tyrone player hard done over by a ref. :D
We should just assume the ref gets it right, until proven otherwise.
Quote from: screenexile on February 11, 2017, 09:14:50 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 11, 2017, 08:24:31 PM
From what we were shown in the slo mo replay, Bradley's barge into Cooper looked hard enough but well within the run of mill innocuous category, not worthy of notice.
There was some relief from this spectacle, with the 10 seconds from Tralee.
They had talked about there being a wrestling match between the 2 lads there had to be more went on than we saw.
Was listening on the radio, before the referee had brandished any cards they said something along the lines of 'technically he pushed him in the face, you could get a red for that'.
Serious question for Tyrone men... Mickey has assembled some serious athletes with no small amount of freaky pace sprinkled through the team. There are also some serious ball players in the team also. The question is, are you happy to watch and support this style of play? You are undoubtedly the hardest team in the hardest team in the country to play against because you defend with 13/14 in layers inside your half. Obviously that means the ball can largely only be run - which they do very well.
Effective but very hard to watch with and without the ball.
Quote from: T Fearon on February 11, 2017, 09:08:37 PM
Far cry from the 80,000 attendance at the corresponding fixture 10 years ago.People getting pissed off with robotic football and blanket defences
Parnell park didn't sell out when the teams met in 2004 or early in the 2000s and it held 12000 or so. So we must be currently in a better era of football than then by that logic. Good intense close game, hard to expect much more on a bad night in February.
Happened in front of me - Bradley did fk all not even a booking.
McQuillan had a disgraceful performance overall
Quote from: DuffleKing on February 11, 2017, 09:32:47 PM
Serious question for Tyrone men... Mickey has assembled some serious athletes with no small amount of freaky pace sprinkled through the team. There are also some serious ball players in the team also. The question is, are you happy to watch and support this style of play? You are undoubtedly the hardest team in the hardest team in the country to play against because you defend with 13/14 in layers inside your half. Obviously that means the ball can largely only be run - which they do very well.
Effective but very hard to watch with and without the ball.
The system can definitely lead to.some.very scrappy passages of play, but some of the counter attacking football is breathtaking when done well.
I could watch players like sludden, harte and myler in full flow all day.
Quote from: DuffleKing on February 11, 2017, 09:32:47 PM
Serious question for Tyrone men... Mickey has assembled some serious athletes with no small amount of freaky pace sprinkled through the team. There are also some serious ball players in the team also. The question is, are you happy to watch and support this style of play? You are undoubtedly the hardest team in the hardest team in the country to play against because you defend with 13/14 in layers inside your half. Obviously that means the ball can largely only be run - which they do very well.
Effective but very hard to watch with and without the ball.
I genuinely don't find it hard to watch. I think there is a hugely unappreciated skill in tackling without fouling. i think we are still work in progress with regards to the the attacking aspect of the game plan. We move the ball fairly effortlessly into the opponents half but struggle to be as clinical as the style of play requires. I think it is good to watch when teams tackle in numbers, force a turn over and fast break in numbers too. I appreciate others don't enjoy the style and can understand why, but I don't understand why people can't accept that different teams bring different styles and game plans to the table. For me, it makes the game more interesting than watching teams roll over to Dublin trying to match them when clearly the gulf is huge.
Quote from: DuffleKing on February 11, 2017, 09:32:47 PM
Serious question for Tyrone men... Mickey has assembled some serious athletes with no small amount of freaky pace sprinkled through the team. There are also some serious ball players in the team also. The question is, are you happy to watch and support this style of play? You are undoubtedly the hardest team in the hardest team in the country to play against because you defend with 13/14 in layers inside your half. Obviously that means the ball can largely only be run - which they do very well.
Effective but very hard to watch with and without the ball.
We were something like the highest scoring team in the country in 2013 or something like that. I think we were the highest scoring team in the 2013 league at the least. All the same our approach wasn't working and to be fair to Micky he tried different things and settled on the current style/tactics. It's not pretty but I actually don't really care as long as it's successful.
If I wanted to watch flowing football I'd support arsenal. Donegal played lovely flowing football under Mc Ivor and Mc eniff 2.0. Jimmy's style was dirge by comparison but 100% of Donegal folks will tell you which era they enjoyed the most.
Tyrone scored their goal & for the rest of the game kept all 14 players in their own half of the pitch. No rule against it but there should be. Incredibly negative and terrible to watch.
Tyrone perfect example of modern football team. They are all fit and run up/down the pitch handpass after handpass but their kicking was dreadful. Kicked some shocking wides in 1st half when under no pressure.
Quote from: dublin7 on February 11, 2017, 10:05:56 PM
Tyrone scored their goal & for the rest of the game kept all 14 players in their own half of the pitch. No rule against it but there should be. Incredibly negative and terrible to watch.
Tyrone perfect example of modern football team. They are all fit and run up/down the pitch handpass after handpass but their kicking was dreadful. Kicked some shocking wides in 1st half when under no pressure.
Not the first team to go very defensive when 5 points up, a man down and 10 mins left against a team like Dublin, I'd imagine.
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Quote from: DuffleKing on February 11, 2017, 09:32:47 PM
Serious question for Tyrone men... Mickey has assembled some serious athletes with no small amount of freaky pace sprinkled through the team. There are also some serious ball players in the team also. The question is, are you happy to watch and support this style of play? You are undoubtedly the hardest team in the hardest team in the country to play against because you defend with 13/14 in layers inside your half. Obviously that means the ball can largely only be run - which they do very well.
Effective but very hard to watch with and without the ball.
We were something like the highest scoring team in the country in 2013 or something like that. I think we were the highest scoring team in the 2013 league at the least. All the same our approach wasn't working and to be fair to Micky he tried different things and settled on the current style/tactics. It's not pretty but I actually don't really care as long as it's successful.
If I wanted to watch flowing football I'd support arsenal. Donegal played lovely flowing football under Mc Ivor and Mc eniff 2.0. Jimmy's style was dirge by comparison but 100% of Donegal folks will tell you which era they enjoyed the most.
Jimmy's style was fantastic on the eye in 2012 when all were playing well and injuries were not much of a factor and most other teams hadn't decided to pile back themselves. The fast breaks were thrilling to watch - that third quarter against Cork in the 2012 semi is up there with the Dublin 14 semi and the 92 final in terms of the best football we've ever seen from a Donegal team. The break that went the full length of the field and led to the 2nd goal against Mayo was amazing.
But, the extreme shite of the past two years needs to stop, not least because its not working anyway. The noises from Rory Gallagher and the tactics against Kerry last week suggest that they're at least trying out a more traditional approach. We'll see if it lasts once the pressure comes on. I hope it does. This season is a gimme anyway for Donegal, so he has nothing to lose.
For me a lot of Dublin players found out tonight when it was put upto them. Michaek darragh(seriously poty)+Kilkenny, brilliant when the thing is going well, but very average when it's put upto them. If only other teams carried the Tyrone self belief
Quote from: redzone on February 11, 2017, 11:03:53 PM
For me a lot of Dublin players found out tonight when it was put upto them. Michaek darragh(seriously poty)+Kilkenny, brilliant when the thing is going well, but very average when it's put upto them. If only other teams carried the Tyrone self belief
4 times All Ireland winners 'found out' in a league game in February and them just back off their holidays 😄. Over react much?
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Quote from: redzone on February 11, 2017, 11:03:53 PM
For me a lot of Dublin players found out tonight when it was put upto them. Michaek darragh(seriously poty)+Kilkenny, brilliant when the thing is going well, but very average when it's put upto them. If only other teams carried the Tyrone self belief
4 times All Ireland winners 'found out' in a league game in February and them just back off their holidays 😄. Over react much?
You've gotta love redzone's fanaticism though.
Tyrone were at their savage intensity but the Dubs looked as if they were just out of hibernation.
Quote from: redzone on February 11, 2017, 11:03:53 PM
For me a lot of Dublin players found out tonight when it was put upto them. Michaek darragh(seriously poty)+Kilkenny, brilliant when the thing is going well, but very average when it's put upto them. If only other teams carried the Tyrone self belief
Must try harder...... 31 games unbeaten now. If I was you I'd focus on finding a free taker in the county. None of the Tyrone players would have kicked that free at the end that got a draw. Won't win anything without a reliable free taker
Maybe it didn't come across on the TV but the conditions were atrocious. It was only when you walked away from the ground you realised how bad it was. Incessant rain. That oul wet rain. Wet.
Sludden was head and shoulders the best player on the field. He was the only player really who ran at Dublin in order to take the score himself and it was needed because Tyrone had no forwards....and worryingly...may have no forwards.
re Bradley...the linesman spent about 90 seconds running alongside the two of them whatever the feck was going on. Didn't see what Bradley did.
Serious wides from Tyrone or shots dropped short. It's a big worry. Maybe conditions played a part in that. McQuillan was very inconsistent. SIlly black from McCann (who was missed) but others could have walked too. Colm was a lucky man.
It's only February and means little come the sun in the sky but Tyrone were out on their feet at the end containing them. The Dubs were only warming up.
Last 5 games Tyrone v Dublin. 2 draws dubs twice by a point and Tyrone once by a point. Fcuk all between them but a free taker. Cooper is unreal. They say that Mc quillan was always leant towards the home team. Today was no difference.
Jim Gavin could have been a bit more graceful in his interview with RTE.
"Our boys don't play that way" - well aren't Dublin just the best and purest team ever.
Of course you attack when you're five down with 15 to go and a man up playing with the wind!
I thought both teams were putrid in the first half and Tyrone played the better football in the 2nd. Ryan Mc Menamen got some stick throughout his career compared to cooper. Done his job to perfection.
Bradley's sending off was a killer. Our game plan takes a huge hit when we lose a man. Left too much space for the 14 men to cover.
Not many will take points off the Dubs this year so that should stand to us if we want to make the final. No point lamenting over the free taker issue and rash wides. You can coach a system but much harder to coach those essential ingredients. Can't see us getting Sam until we radically improve those areas.
The only teams that hold the faintest hope of competing with Dublin come August were playing in Austin Stacks tonight. And even then it's pretty faint when you see Mayo relying on Andy Moran and Kerry looking bang average themselves.
Sludden seems to be in fine form for Tyrone anyways. But it isn't enough. In a fairer era a team like Tyrone might be contenders, but this is Dublin's time and everyone else is just living off scraps.
Quote from: Syferus on February 12, 2017, 12:32:04 AM
The only teams that hold the faintest hope of competing with Dublin come August were playing in Austin Stacks tonight. And even then it's pretty faint when you see Mayo relying on Andy Moran and Kerry looking bang average themselves.
Sludden seems to be in fine form for Tyrone anyways. But it isn't enough. In a fairer era a team like Tyrone might be contenders, but this is Dublin's time and everyone else is just living off scraps.
Andy's not that bad, is he?
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Quote from: Syferus on February 12, 2017, 12:32:04 AM
The only teams that hold the faintest hope of competing with Dublin come August were playing in Austin Stacks tonight. And even then it's pretty faint when you see Mayo relying on Andy Moran and Kerry looking bang average themselves.
Sludden seems to be in fine form for Tyrone anyways. But it isn't enough. In a fairer era a team like Tyrone might be contenders, but this is Dublin's time and everyone else is just living off scraps.
Andy's not that bad, is he?
Be honest Moy, did you really think Mayo would be in 2017 with Evan Regan the peripheral forward whose arse is warming the bench and Andy the buck ye need more than any other forward? It's pretty much the opposite of what you and most all Mayo supporters would have wanted.
The teams trying to chase Dublin have such obvious deficiencies that it's hard to make cases for them winning unless over confidence creeps into the professionals.
A sport in deep crisis that isn't going to be fixed by Padraig Duffy's lame attempt to paper over falling attendances with more pointless games in August.
Quote from: redzone on February 11, 2017, 11:03:53 PM
For me a lot of Dublin players found out tonight when it was put upto them. Michaek darragh(seriously poty)+Kilkenny, brilliant when the thing is going well, but very average when it's put upto them. If only other teams carried the Tyrone self belief
Yeah right! ;D
I would say the last team dublin will want to play in Sept is tyrone
Quote from: An Watcher on February 12, 2017, 01:18:17 AM
I would say the last team dublin will want to play in Sept is tyrone
Why?
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Quote from: An Watcher on February 12, 2017, 01:18:17 AM
I would say the last team dublin will want to play in Sept is tyrone
Why?
Tyrone rarely improve come the summertime like the big teams do.
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I would say the last team dublin will want to play in Sept is tyrone
Why?
Tyrone rarely improve come the summertime like the big teams do.
SHHHH they won Ulster and Division two last year and Uncle Peter had them second favourite for Sam! And they lost narrowly to the perennial chokers Mayo who had a six day turn around! Impressive! ;)
Quote from: redzone on February 11, 2017, 11:03:53 PM
For me a lot of Dublin players found out tonight when it was put upto them. Michaek darragh(seriously poty)+Kilkenny, brilliant when the thing is going well, but very average when it's put upto them. If only other teams carried the Tyrone self belief
This has to be the Bomber or syferus hacking into this account.There is nobody else that could think like this.
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Quote from: An Watcher on February 12, 2017, 01:18:17 AM
I would say the last team dublin will want to play in Sept is tyrone
Why?
Tyrone rarely improve come the summertime like the big teams do.
Wise up you clown. We had that game won aside from the ref being an ejit. Best result for tyrone, we will get them again. Sludden, Harte and Bradley move to that elite level. We will get them down the line, bring it on! ps Dubs a great team to watch live, the sppeed! but sluddy!!!!
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Quote from: redzone on February 11, 2017, 11:03:53 PM
For me a lot of Dublin players found out tonight when it was put upto them. Michaek darragh(seriously poty)+Kilkenny, brilliant when the thing is going well, but very average when it's put upto them. If only other teams carried the Tyrone self belief
Must try harder...... 31 games unbeaten now. If I was you I'd focus on finding a free taker in the county. None of the Tyrone players would have kicked that free at the end that got a draw. Won't win anything without a reliable free taker
Tyrone County board are believed to be lobbying Congress to allow for frees to be handpassed over the bar . They have been arguing for volleyball serves .
Quote from: Syferus on February 12, 2017, 01:30:55 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 12, 2017, 01:27:28 AM
Quote from: An Watcher on February 12, 2017, 01:18:17 AM
I would say the last team dublin will want to play in Sept is tyrone
Why?
Tyrone rarely improve come the summertime like the big teams do.
Nah, Tyrone have never improved during the summer. ::) We have no tradition whatsoever of improving through the summer months, in the qualifiers for example.
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Quote from: redzone on February 11, 2017, 11:03:53 PM
For me a lot of Dublin players found out tonight when it was put upto them. Michaek darragh(seriously poty)+Kilkenny, brilliant when the thing is going well, but very average when it's put upto them. If only other teams carried the Tyrone self belief
This has to be the Bomber or syferus hacking into this account.There is nobody else that could think like this.
Tyrone have copied donegal and taken it up a notch by getting all their players back inside their 45. It really is brutal to watch for neutrals. To be honest it resembles basketball and I'm not a fan of basketball. Dublin, not long back from their holidays and without Connolly, were there for the taking last night and harte and tyrone will be absolutely gutted not to have put them away when they were 5 points up in a low scoring game in the last 10 minutes. Tyrone gave it their best shot last night and were found wanting, when Dublin up the ante by july and august there will only be one winner if these 2 teams meet.
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Quote from: redzone on February 11, 2017, 11:03:53 PM
For me a lot of Dublin players found out tonight when it was put upto them. Michaek darragh(seriously poty)+Kilkenny, brilliant when the thing is going well, but very average when it's put upto them. If only other teams carried the Tyrone self belief
This has to be the Bomber or syferus hacking into this account.There is nobody else that could think like this.
Tyrone have copied donegal and taken it up a notch by getting all their players back inside their 45. It really is brutal to watch for neutrals. To be honest it resembles basketball and I'm not a fan of basketball. Dublin, not long back from their holidays and without Connolly, were there for the taking last night and harte and tyrone will be absolutely gutted not to have put them away when they were 5 points up in a low scoring game in the last 10 minutes. Tyrone gave it their best shot last night and were found wanting, when Dublin up the ante by july and august there will only be one winner if these 2 teams meet.
Maybe...but at least Tyrone (and Mayo) are prepared to try and compete with the Dubs and not roll over and have our bellies tickled. For all the feeble counties in Leinster and others like Armagh and Roscommon who appear to have given up, you should be thanking Tyrone for at least providing some competitive football. It seems like the rest of Ireland are happy to just sit back and admire as Dublin steamroll their way to All Ireland after All Ireland, whilst criticizing those trying to compete! Lenny, you'd give your right arm for Armagh to be as competitive as Tyrone were last night and you won't give a damn what it looks like.
Quote from: redzone on February 11, 2017, 11:03:53 PM
For me a lot of Dublin players found out tonight when it was put upto them. Michaek darragh(seriously poty)+Kilkenny, brilliant when the thing is going well, but very average when it's put upto them. If only other teams carried the Tyrone self belief
;D ;D ;D
Never knew a league game in February carried as much weight. Dublin might not win the AI this year since they will find it difficult to keep going to the well and maintain hunger levels. It is why Gavin gave them the entire O'Byrne cup off whilst Tyrone were going hell for leather in January to win 6 in a row. Dublin need to focus on being fresh for July/August and it really would have helped if Tyrone had beaten them last night to rid themselves of the burden of this long unbeaten run. They would have still ended up in the top 4 at the end of the league regardless.
Tyrone have struggled mentally against the top teams in recent years and have an inability to close out and win tight games in Croke Park. Although it was only a league match, they had a golden chance to beat a top side last night and blew it. I suspect Harte will have been happy with what he seen overall though since I think they are well positioned to make the last 4 at least this season, even if I think they lack the class up front to actually win it.
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 12, 2017, 12:31:46 AM
Bradley's sending off was a killer. Our game plan takes a huge hit when we lose a man. Left too much space for the 14 men to cover.
I'm not convinced going down to 14 was really such a factor. Dublin played the last few minutes with 14 too. Tyrone tried to defend the lead having got a few clear. This rarely works and I don't know Tyrone persist with it.
I know the suggestion is that Mickey is still working to find the right balance between defence and attack. It's still weighted a good bit too far in favour of defence IMO. Also don't see the point in putting such a massive effort into playing this way when we don't have somebody to knock over the frees. You'd need to be as efficient as possible with whatever chances you get to make this work and Tyrone don't really seem to be making much progress with that. I'd rather see them commit more to attack, there are some lovely attacking players on that panel.
However, this is the style we are going to go with. It was a good performance accordingly. Mattie Donnelly coming back in improves that team considerably and Tyrone will get better and fitter with more games. The idea they are at summer fitness and intensity already is daft, they are noticably sharper than even just a few weeks ago.
Dublin were getting as many men behind ball as Tyrone were.
Rte radio were on about Tyrone putting men behind the ball, but I looked up
After 3 or 4 mins in the second half and Dublin had every single player inside their 45.
The two teams were playing a similar style - yet only one team get the blame.
Going down to 14 men was a massive factor - Tyrone were on top at that stage 5 points ahead
They were getting great joy off Cluctons kick outs and he was having an off night
After that they had to concede the kick out which invited massive Dublin pressure
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For me a lot of Dublin players found out tonight when it was put upto them. Michaek darragh(seriously poty)+Kilkenny, brilliant when the thing is going well, but very average when it's put upto them. If only other teams carried the Tyrone self belief
This has to be the Bomber or syferus hacking into this account.There is nobody else that could think like this.
Lenny couldn't give a f**k about Armagh as he is a Derry man.
Tyrone have copied donegal and taken it up a notch by getting all their players back inside their 45. It really is brutal to watch for neutrals. To be honest it resembles basketball and I'm not a fan of basketball. Dublin, not long back from their holidays and without Connolly, were there for the taking last night and harte and tyrone will be absolutely gutted not to have put them away when they were 5 points up in a low scoring game in the last 10 minutes. Tyrone gave it their best shot last night and were found wanting, when Dublin up the ante by july and august there will only be one winner if these 2 teams meet.
Maybe...but at least Tyrone (and Mayo) are prepared to try and compete with the Dubs and not roll over and have our bellies tickled. For all the feeble counties in Leinster and others like Armagh and Roscommon who appear to have given up, you should be thanking Tyrone for at least providing some competitive football. It seems like the rest of Ireland are happy to just sit back and admire as Dublin steamroll their way to All Ireland after All Ireland, whilst criticizing those trying to compete! Lenny, you'd give your right arm for Armagh to be as competitive as Tyrone were last night and you won't give a damn what it looks like.
Quote from: sam03/05 on February 12, 2017, 09:24:35 AM
They were getting great joy off Cluctons kick outs and he was having an off night
At one stage Cluxton gifted us the ball and it was completely wasted.
Let's not kid ourselves that last night's game didn't re-expose the problem of a limited supply of strong, ball winning forwards and we have no chance of making significant progress without more of them. Sean could do a job in there.
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Quote from: redzone on February 11, 2017, 11:03:53 PM
For me a lot of Dublin players found out tonight when it was put upto them. Michaek darragh(seriously poty)+Kilkenny, brilliant when the thing is going well, but very average when it's put upto them. If only other teams carried the Tyrone self belief
This has to be the Bomber or syferus hacking into this account.There is nobody else that could think like this.
Lenny couldn't give a f**k about Armagh as he is a Derry man.
Tyrone have copied donegal and taken it up a notch by getting all their players back inside their 45. It really is brutal to watch for neutrals. To be honest it resembles basketball and I'm not a fan of basketball. Dublin, not long back from their holidays and without Connolly, were there for the taking last night and harte and tyrone will be absolutely gutted not to have put them away when they were 5 points up in a low scoring game in the last 10 minutes. Tyrone gave it their best shot last night and were found wanting, when Dublin up the ante by july and august there will only be one winner if these 2 teams meet.
Maybe...but at least Tyrone (and Mayo) are prepared to try and compete with the Dubs and not roll over and have our bellies tickled. For all the feeble counties in Leinster and others like Armagh and Roscommon who appear to have given up, you should be thanking Tyrone for at least providing some competitive football. It seems like the rest of Ireland are happy to just sit back and admire as Dublin steamroll their way to All Ireland after All Ireland, whilst criticizing those trying to compete! Lenny, you'd give your right arm for Armagh to be as competitive as Tyrone were last night and you won't give a damn what it looks like.
Meh, Derry? Armagh? - they're all the same! Same point applies 😜
Quote from: redzone on February 11, 2017, 11:03:53 PM
For me a lot of Dublin players found out tonight when it was put upto them. Michaek darragh(seriously poty)+Kilkenny, brilliant when the thing is going well, but very average when it's put upto them. If only other teams carried the Tyrone self belief
Yeah these lads with 4 All Irelands to their name ... you know they're not worth talking about when they have an off day in February in the National League . . . Jesus wept!!
Disappointed not to win that match. Dublin were there for the taking.
As has been mentioned ad nauseum, Tyrone lack that marquee forward to put games like this to bed. From the half forward line back we are a match for anyone but we just don't have that 1 killer point taker. Had we converted even 20% of our wides from the first half.....
McQuillan was awful. Didn't let play go and did all he could to keep Dublin in the game. The sending off was dubious and the final equalising free was just plain wrong. McMahon (or was it Fitzsimmons ?) spilled the ball untouched. Each of the last frees Dublin got was cheaper than the one before.
Don't know what people expect Tyrone to do a man down and playing against against a gale force wind.. go all out attack, man to man?
Will be a team no one likes to play but in the continued absence of a forward line and free taker......no Sam in 2017
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Quote from: redzone on February 11, 2017, 11:03:53 PM
For me a lot of Dublin players found out tonight when it was put upto them. Michaek darragh(seriously poty)+Kilkenny, brilliant when the thing is going well, but very average when it's put upto them. If only other teams carried the Tyrone self belief
;D ;D ;D
Never knew a league game in February carried as much weight. Dublin might not win the AI this year since they will find it difficult to keep going to the well and maintain hunger levels. It is why Gavin gave them the entire O'Byrne cup off whilst Tyrone were going hell for leather in January to win 6 in a row. Dublin need to focus on being fresh for July/August and it really would have helped if Tyrone had beaten them last night to rid themselves of the burden of this long unbeaten run. They would have still ended up in the top 4 at the end of the league regardless.
Tyrone have struggled mentally against the top teams in recent years and have an inability to close out and win tight games in Croke Park. Although it was only a league match, they had a golden chance to beat a top side last night and blew it. I suspect Harte will have been happy with what he seen overall though since I think they are well positioned to make the last 4 at least this season, even if I think they lack the class up front to actually win it.
The problem isn't up front for tyrone. They have excellent forwards if they were let play there. The big problem is the defenders are crap which means they need another 7 or 8 players back to help them out. If peter canavan had been asked to continually run back inside his own 45 and then sprint forward to get on the end of moves he would look average also. A lot of tyrone supporters are getting fed up with this negative style also. Only 6,000 for a home game last week which was the lowest attendance in division 1 and only 28k there last night which was a far cry from the support they had a few years ago.
Quote from: lenny on February 12, 2017, 12:06:12 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on February 12, 2017, 08:46:00 AM
Quote from: redzone on February 11, 2017, 11:03:53 PM
For me a lot of Dublin players found out tonight when it was put upto them. Michaek darragh(seriously poty)+Kilkenny, brilliant when the thing is going well, but very average when it's put upto them. If only other teams carried the Tyrone self belief
;D ;D ;D
Never knew a league game in February carried as much weight. Dublin might not win the AI this year since they will find it difficult to keep going to the well and maintain hunger levels. It is why Gavin gave them the entire O'Byrne cup off whilst Tyrone were going hell for leather in January to win 6 in a row. Dublin need to focus on being fresh for July/August and it really would have helped if Tyrone had beaten them last night to rid themselves of the burden of this long unbeaten run. They would have still ended up in the top 4 at the end of the league regardless.
Tyrone have struggled mentally against the top teams in recent years and have an inability to close out and win tight games in Croke Park. Although it was only a league match, they had a golden chance to beat a top side last night and blew it. I suspect Harte will have been happy with what he seen overall though since I think they are well positioned to make the last 4 at least this season, even if I think they lack the class up front to actually win it.
The problem isn't up front for tyrone. They have excellent forwards if they were let play there. The big problem is the defenders are crap which means they need another 7 or 8 players back to help them out. If peter canavan had been asked to continually run back inside his own 45 and then sprint forward to get on the end of moves he would look average also. A lot of tyrone supporters are getting fed up with this negative style also. Only 6,000 for a home game last week which was the lowest attendance in division 1 and only 28k there last night which was a far cry from the support they had a few years ago.
Dead right. Dublin fans obviously pissed off as well. Dublin were at home last night and didn't turn up in great numbers to watch their hurlers and footballers in Croke Park.
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Quote from: lenny on February 12, 2017, 12:06:12 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on February 12, 2017, 08:46:00 AM
Quote from: redzone on February 11, 2017, 11:03:53 PM
For me a lot of Dublin players found out tonight when it was put upto them. Michaek darragh(seriously poty)+Kilkenny, brilliant when the thing is going well, but very average when it's put upto them. If only other teams carried the Tyrone self belief
;D ;D ;D
Never knew a league game in February carried as much weight. Dublin might not win the AI this year since they will find it difficult to keep going to the well and maintain hunger levels. It is why Gavin gave them the entire O'Byrne cup off whilst Tyrone were going hell for leather in January to win 6 in a row. Dublin need to focus on being fresh for July/August and it really would have helped if Tyrone had beaten them last night to rid themselves of the burden of this long unbeaten run. They would have still ended up in the top 4 at the end of the league regardless.
Tyrone have struggled mentally against the top teams in recent years and have an inability to close out and win tight games in Croke Park. Although it was only a league match, they had a golden chance to beat a top side last night and blew it. I suspect Harte will have been happy with what he seen overall though since I think they are well positioned to make the last 4 at least this season, even if I think they lack the class up front to actually win it.
The problem isn't up front for tyrone. They have excellent forwards if they were let play there. The big problem is the defenders are crap which means they need another 7 or 8 players back to help them out. If peter canavan had been asked to continually run back inside his own 45 and then sprint forward to get on the end of moves he would look average also. A lot of tyrone supporters are getting fed up with this negative style also. Only 6,000 for a home game last week which was the lowest attendance in division 1 and only 28k there last night which was a far cry from the support they had a few years ago.
Dead right. Dublin fans obviously pissed off as well. Dublin were at home last night and didn't turn up in great numbers to watch their hurlers and footballers in Croke Park.
Not forgetting the AI Hurling Champions Tipperary's Fans either.
Thought Sean Cavanagh did very well when he came on, used the ball very well and caused a few problems in FF line when he went in there. Rory Brennan also played well and I have a feeling he'll be our long term CHB. If we can get him going there I'd like to see this team come summer time...
Morgan/O'Neill
Hampsey
McNamee
McCarron
McCann
Brennan
Harte
C Cavanagh
McClure
Matty Donnelly
Sludden
Meyler
Bradley
Sean Cavanagh
McCurry/RoN/L Brennan
Although he'd a poor night in front of the sticks Bradley needs a good run for rest of National league. That red (according to anything I saw on TV was ridiculous and hopefully can be overturned) could scupper his chance for solid game time in the league. The last corner forward is a real pain at the minute, nobody can lay claim to that Jersey and yet again McCurry went AWOL last night.
Is DD Mulgrew an option in there or is he more of a roving forward? He must be doing in well in training to get a run out last night.
Still a crap crowd last night when you consider Dublin weren't All Ireland Champions at the time of the 2007 full house
Quote from: tyroneman on February 12, 2017, 11:59:34 AM
Disappointed not to win that match. Dublin were there for the taking.
As has been mentioned ad nauseum, Tyrone lack that marquee forward to put games like this to bed. From the half forward line back we are a match for anyone but we just don't have that 1 killer point taker. Had we converted even 20% of our wides from the first half.....
McQuillan was awful. Didn't let play go and did all he could to keep Dublin in the game. The sending off was dubious and the final equalising free was just plain wrong. McMahon (or was it Fitzsimmons ?) spilled the ball untouched. Each of the last frees Dublin got was cheaper than the one before.
Don't know what people expect Tyrone to do a man down and playing against against a gale force wind.. go all out attack, man to man?
Will be a team no one likes to play but in the continued absence of a forward line and free taker......no Sam in 2017
Ref also didn't black card the 2nd Tyrone player which was blatant, you forgot to mention that!
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 12, 2017, 12:51:22 PM
Thought Sean Cavanagh did very well when he came on, used the ball very well and caused a few problems in FF line when he went in there. Rory Brennan also played well and I have a feeling he'll be our long term CHB. If we can get him going there I'd like to see this team come summer time...
Morgan/O'Neill
Hampsey
McNamee
McCarron
McCann
Brennan
Harte
C Cavanagh
McClure
Matty Donnelly
Sludden
Meyler
Bradley
Sean Cavanagh
McCurry/RoN/L Brennan
Although he'd a poor night in front of the sticks Bradley needs a good run for rest of National league. That red (according to anything I saw on TV was ridiculous and hopefully can be overturned) could scupper his chance for solid game time in the league. The last corner forward is a real pain at the minute, nobody can lay claim to that Jersey and yet again McCurry went AWOL last night.
Is DD Mulgrew an option in there or is he more of a roving forward? He must be doing in well in training to get a run out last night.
Very impressed by hampsey, he's a quality back. With the next generation of defenders coming through we should push for a bit more of an attacking gameplan. Leenie is actually right, forwards aren't the problem, ours are no worse than any team in the country bar possibly Dublin and we don't support a forward enough to make them a marquee scorer like jod or Mc manus. I'm not saying they'd be as good as them but we currently don't give Ron, Mc curry or skeet a fair crack at it for the last 3-4 years.
Leenie is actually bang on correct, we adopted this defensive plan after we lost the defensive triumphate of Rickey, gormley and Jordan. We lost our quality man-markers and to close attacks out we played a blanket because Mc Crory Mc Carron and co just aren't good enough, they're actually foul machines if left one on one. Now with Breenan, hampsey, munroe, Mc namee we should cut away the driftwood and favour a more one on one approach to give the forwards a chance. Play justy as the sweeper and push sluddy, Harte and Matty into the scoring zone.
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 12, 2017, 12:51:22 PM
Thought Sean Cavanagh did very well when he came on, used the ball very well and caused a few problems in FF line when he went in there. Rory Brennan also played well and I have a feeling he'll be our long term CHB. If we can get him going there I'd like to see this team come summer time...
Morgan/O'Neill
Hampsey
McNamee
McCarron
McCann
Brennan
Harte
C Cavanagh
McClure
Matty Donnelly
Sludden
Meyler
Bradley
Sean Cavanagh
McCurry/RoN/L Brennan
Although he'd a poor night in front of the sticks Bradley needs a good run for rest of National league. That red (according to anything I saw on TV was ridiculous and hopefully can be overturned) could scupper his chance for solid game time in the league. The last corner forward is a real pain at the minute, nobody can lay claim to that Jersey and yet again McCurry went AWOL last night.
Is DD Mulgrew an option in there or is he more of a roving forward? He must be doing in well in training to get a run out last night.
Very disappointed in McCurry last night, he really struggled to impact the game.
Thought defensively we were superb last night. McClure had a great showing and looks like he can play a good role. Overall I was very happy with that display and I think only for the sending off we would have won that. The free taking problems raised its head again and we lack that inside man who is clutch, that's something we just have to accept now I think and if we are to be successful we will have to find a way of doing it with these ailments.
The most refreshing thing last night was the way we went about things, no fear, no respect. It was a display with a lot of moxy and it's the kind of belief we lacked against Mayo last year.
If we play like that throughout the summer, we've a great chance.
Would agree with that Bomber. We would be ahead of this time last year. Some brilliant young players from the u21 All Ireland team will come of age this year and with Cavanagh staying on, to me it its shaping up very well.
On another note....where is the Kerry v Tyrone match being played?
Quote from: Main Street on February 11, 2017, 08:27:42 PM
That was an exciting moment, Hawkeye.
I see the fireworks are flying in Castlebayney this afternoon, Mainstreet. A thrilling 0-3 to 0-03 draw, word on Twitter is that it's already a modern day classic and there's 35 minutes still to go!
Anywhere online where I can watch the match in full?
Big problem here is that gutsy performance aside. We have poor freetakers and like against Mayo will struggle to win any game where we have a red card. Absolutely no forward talent except for sparky and sludgeon. Could cavanagh do chb and Marty full forward.
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Quote from: redzone on February 11, 2017, 11:03:53 PM
For me a lot of Dublin players found out tonight when it was put upto them. Michaek darragh(seriously poty)+Kilkenny, brilliant when the thing is going well, but very average when it's put upto them. If only other teams carried the Tyrone self belief
Yeah these lads with 4 All Irelands to their name ... you know they're not worth talking about when they have an off day in February in the National League . . . Jesus wept!!
Redzone must have stopped watching before Kilkenny's late point.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on February 12, 2017, 04:42:38 PM
Quote from: screenexile on February 12, 2017, 10:56:35 AM
Quote from: redzone on February 11, 2017, 11:03:53 PM
For me a lot of Dublin players found out tonight when it was put upto them. Michaek darragh(seriously poty)+Kilkenny, brilliant when the thing is going well, but very average when it's put upto them. If only other teams carried the Tyrone self belief
Yeah these lads with 4 All Irelands to their name ... you know they're not worth talking about when they have an off day in February in the National League . . . Jesus wept!!
Lmao, it took the sad Derry gimp to bait for it.
Redzone must have stopped watching before Kilkenny's late point.
All in all Tyrone learnt a lot from this. Out-battled, outplayed Dublin for 60 minutes. Tactics by Harte and team were almost spot-on throughout-only execution let us down. Poor shooting and passing from both sides must have been indicative of the weather. With Matty and Tiernan McCann for the full game this would have been wrapped up. The inconsistency of the refereeing was frustrating. 2 or 3 Dublin Pull-down's/drag backs before McCann got black carded harshly.
In the second half, a clear foot tap by a Tyrone player on the ground was not punished either. Cluxton kicked 2 kickouts too short, unpunished but seemed to get punished for on that was OK?!
Tyrone defended excellently and this was not due to swarming or any of that nonsense-the Dubs were often dispossessed by the first defender they met allowing Tyrone to break. That's good defending.
For the last ten minutes-Tyrone were done physically-a lot of lads limping and blowing hard.
I actually think that had Tyrone been more defensive at times, they would have won this. In the first half, they kicked way too many long balls/high balls into the FF line with no reward. Similarly in the second half when they could have held on to the ball, they played 50/50 balls in that gifted Dublin possession and allowed them back into it.
Gavin's comments seem to indicate that he was rattled. Trying to divert attention to the opposition to cover up new cracks in the machine?
I was also happy to see Morgan driving a few kickouts long in the game as I think we have been too predictable with the short kickouts in the past few years and the strategy badly backfired in the 2015 semi with Kerry. How it would fare against Mayo or Kerry, I don't know. Dublin are quite like us in that they go with mobile, athletic players in the middle of the field rather than big towers who can field.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 12, 2017, 06:50:55 PM
I was also happy to see Morgan driving a few kickouts long in the game as I think we have been too predictable with the short kickouts in the past few years and the strategy badly backfired in the 2015 semi with Kerry. How it would fare against Mayo or Kerry, I don't know. Dublin are quite like us in that they go with mobile, athletic players in the middle of the field rather than big towers who can field.
Sean took a great mark from a long kick out in the second half. Although in general I think the mark is not needed, I could see the merit in that instance as he fell on landing. Nice to see the catch rewarded and the player able to avoid getting swallowed up.
Quote from: tyroneman on February 12, 2017, 11:59:34 AM
Don't know what people expect Tyrone to do a man down and playing against against a gale force wind.. go all out attack, man to man?
But they weren't a man down for that long. Dubs played last 11 minutes with 14 men. They got a number of scores in that period as Tyrone tried to defend their lead. I'm not expecting to go all out attack in such circumstances but another score or two would have won the game. Tyrone didn't score at all in the final 20 minutes.
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 12, 2017, 06:50:55 PM
I was also happy to see Morgan driving a few kickouts long in the game as I think we have been too predictable with the short kickouts in the past few years and the strategy badly backfired in the 2015 semi with Kerry. How it would fare against Mayo or Kerry, I don't know. Dublin are quite like us in that they go with mobile, athletic players in the middle of the field rather than big towers who can field.
Sean took a great mark from a long kick out in the second half. Although in general I think the mark is not needed, I could see the merit in that instance as he fell on landing. Nice to see the catch rewarded and the player able to avoid getting swallowed up.
He also used that mark to lie down and waste time. Saw some great examples of mark from Hughes boys today.
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Quote from: BennyHarp on February 12, 2017, 07:06:19 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 12, 2017, 06:50:55 PM
I was also happy to see Morgan driving a few kickouts long in the game as I think we have been too predictable with the short kickouts in the past few years and the strategy badly backfired in the 2015 semi with Kerry. How it would fare against Mayo or Kerry, I don't know. Dublin are qulite like us in that they go with mobile, athletic players in the middle of the field rather than big towers who can field.
Sean took a great mark from a long kick out in the second half. Although in general I think the mark is not needed, I could see the merit in that instance as he fell on landing. Nice to see the catch rewarded and the player able to avoid getting swallowed up.
He also used that mark to lie down and waste time. Saw some great examples of mark from Hughes boys today.
Sean was up before McMahon who was also receiving attention at the time.
What age is Sludden?
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Quote from: tyroneman on February 12, 2017, 11:59:34 AM
Don't know what people expect Tyrone to do a man down and playing against against a gale force wind.. go all out attack, man to man?
But they weren't a man down for that long. Dubs played last 11 minutes with 14 men. They got a number of scores in that period as Tyrone tried to defend their lead. I'm not expecting to go all out attack in such circumstances but another score or two would have won the game. Tyrone didn't score at all in the final 20 minutes.
They had chances in that period, Sludden had the effort hawkeye ruled out, he also hit the post with a fisted effort. The free at the end was a nonsense decision, I thought it might have been give because he thought Harte handled it on the ground when he clearly didn't but seemingly he imagined there was some sort of foul there.
If it was a game that really meant something then I'd have been raging at that decision.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on February 12, 2017, 09:02:34 PM
What age is Sludden?
Was part of the 2010 winning minor side so will be 25 this year at some point.
Would have been on the county side a few years earlier only for he suffered a dreadful double leg break with Dromore.
A class act.
Mc Quillan had his usual inconsistent and wildly erratic effort, and did actually have a gratuitous influence on the final score (only he can shed light on why Mc Cann was black carded, where more cynical infringements went unpunished, and why he awarded a free at all for the equalising score). Just so long as our lads remember his county when out next day against the Cavan men in Healy! ;) :)
Mccann's black card was a joke as was the last free. Bradley's red didn't even look like a yellow unless something other than what was shown there happened
Sludden looked very good too
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 12, 2017, 09:08:39 PM
Mc Quillan had his usual inconsistent and wildly erratic effort, and did actually have a gratuitous influence on the final score (only he can shed light on why Mc Cann was black carded, where more cynical infringements went unpunished, and why he awarded a free at all for the equalising score). Just so long as our lads remember his county when out next day against the Cavan men in Healy! ;) :)
Not a great fan of McQuillan and do not feel McCann should have got a black card but I can see why a full speed he thought it wasounded. The last free was ridiculous.
Quote from: Throw ball on February 12, 2017, 11:14:09 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 12, 2017, 09:08:39 PM
Mc Quillan had his usual inconsistent and wildly erratic effort, and did actually have a gratuitous influence on the final score (only he can shed light on why Mc Cann was black carded, where more cynical infringements went unpunished, and why he awarded a free at all for the equalising score). Just so long as our lads remember his county when out next day against the Cavan men in Healy! ;) :)
Not a great fan of McQuillan and do not feel McCann should have got a black card but I can see why a full speed he thought it wasounded. The last free was ridiculous.
McCann's black card did look understandable at the time but there were far more blatant ones not punished.
Watching the game back now.
Petey ran into an awful lot of tackles in the game, very unlike him. The misses were bad looking back on them, closes misses with the majority being within a foot or so but that won't cut it.
Our foot passing was brilliant last night as well.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 12, 2017, 11:47:32 PM
Our foot passing was brilliant last night as well.
Brilliant is right. Dublin couldn't live with us at times
McCrory took the goal very well.
Hopefully it will shut some of the clowns up who pick him out as an easy target, he's had a very solid few years for us now.
Dublin were really rattled after the goal we had a couple of real openings there just after the goal but the wrong option was taken.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 12, 2017, 11:59:55 PM
McCrory took the goal very well.
Hopefully it will shut some of the clowns up who pick him out as an easy target, he's had a very solid few years for us now.
Dublin were really rattled after the goal we had a couple of real openings there just after the goal but the wrong option was taken.
Tbh I wouldn't have been his biggest fan in the past but I think he now offers leadership qualities which is invaluable in big games.
Overall I enjoyed last nite in Croke park despite the windswept conditions. We should have won despite McQuillan and I expect us and the Dubs to meet again in the league final and again later in the summer. They'll be sick of the sight of us lol !!
Thought crowd of 28k was quiet good given the conditions. Understandably very few kids there. As miserable and cold a night as I ever sat through in CP.
Quote from: clarshack on February 13, 2017, 01:35:10 AM
Overall I enjoyed last nite in Croke park despite the windswept conditions. We should have won despite McQuillan and I expect us and the Dubs to meet again in the league final and again later in the summer. They'll be sick of the sight of us lol !!
Is it top 2 or top 4 go through. I know they are getting rid of SF but I thought it was from next year.
We are back on the big stage ;D
Showed we wont be pushed around and gave the lads another run out in croke park.
McQuillan as always illustrated he is a clown. He is just a bad bad referee. First black card warranted but we got off with a stonewall one after that. Didnt see what Bradley did to warrant a red.
Dubs arent that great and will be sick of us by time Septmebr comes. We can always give them their fill of it
Weather was atrocious but the performance helped ease the pain in my joints
No just the top 2 this year go straight to the final.
Good result for Tyrone but frustrating they couldn't hold out for the win.
Thought Sludden was immense but not many of our other forwards showed much especially in the second half.
Was surprised to see Mulgrew on before Brennan
Still a lot of tough matches to go and looking at the other results everybody is capable of beating each other.
I thought Monaghan would beat Cavan easy enough.
Lets not get carried away lads
Dublins training will have them hittin peak performance for the summer don't doubt that for one minute.
They looked a bit shell shocked on sat nite but they still were composed enough to see it out for a draw (thanks to the ref)
We are lacking it up front big time, its all right if you can defend but scores win the matches and we are going to really struggle if this problem cant be addressed.
Big Sean came on and gave away the peno and his fumble lead to a pointed free kick near the end. I hope it doesn't turn out that he should have hung the boots up after 2016 season.
Tyronies are insane
Quote from: Hereiam on February 13, 2017, 11:33:19 AM
Lets not get carried away lads
Dublins training will have them hittin peak performance for the summer don't doubt that for one minute.
They looked a bit shell shocked on sat nite but they still were composed enough to see it out for a draw (thanks to the ref)
We are lacking it up front big time, its all right if you can defend but scores win the matches and we are going to really struggle if this problem cant be addressed.
Big Sean came on and gave away the peno and his fumble lead to a pointed free kick near the end. I hope it doesn't turn out that he should have hung the boots up after 2016 season.
What about all the wides? Referee was poor for both teams.
How many teams have put it up to the Dubs in the last few years?
very bloody few.
We did and that without Mattie and red/black cards as well as a half fit Sean.
We will only improve and it bodes well for September. Anyone saying different are jealous or blinkered
Quote from: Taylor on February 13, 2017, 12:25:08 PM
How many teams have put it up to the Dubs in the last few years?
very bloody few.
We did and that without Mattie and red/black cards as well as a half fit Sean.
We will only improve and it bodes well for September. Anyone saying different are jealous or blinkered
;D
It's interesting that Mayo, Kerry and now Tyrone in the league have all drawn with the Dubs twice in the last few years. Is it psychological that teams find it hard to put them away now. A lot of Dub fans told me they thought they were beaten on Sat night
Would everyone calm down!
People talking here like the Dubs have been partying like rockastars all winter and eating pizzas. They are a well oiled machine and I doubt many of thos players let standards in training slip to much given the competition coming through. they are definitely far from full tilt but either are tyrone.
2nd round of the league, that's it means nothing more than at this stage the 2 teams are miles apart. No point crying about the ref hopefully the lads move on and learn. It should be all positive for tyrone and this too defensive mumbo jumbo that surfaces every time a northern team looks to be coming near the top will only serve to help the siege mentality mickeys loves.
Anyone doubting the part to pplay big cav will have this year is a fool.
Some things never change McQuillian needs a firm toe in the arse that last free was nuts
Quote from: macdanger2 on February 12, 2017, 10:53:48 PM
Mccann's black card was a joke as was the last free. Bradley's red didn't even look like a yellow unless something other than what was shown there happened
Bradley connected with Cooper's face right in front of the linesman. It wasn't a haymaker, more like a short jab. But really silly with the linesman standing right beside him. Ridiculous blaming the ref for that when the player himself is totally at fault.
The last free was very soft, but he missed a lot more that he should have given the Dubs. OGara not getting a free despite getting a forearm smash across the neck was hilarious.
Impressed by Tyrone. Some fine footballers and defending was superb. A big danger come the summer. Although I wonder are they better suited to playing the Dubs rather than Mayo or Kerry?
Really looking forward to the rest of the league, should be some crackers coming up
Although I wish the GAA would cop on that Saturday 5.00 - 5.30 is prime time for big games, not 7pm. In the rugby in the 6N and the European Cup, it's always 5ish for the big game at this time of year
He didn't connect to his face. More like a push into his neck. 2 yellows would have been fine as Cooper had knocked him to the ground previously
Didnt see Bradley striking back but if it was only a small jab it was retribution for Cooper acting the hard man. Yellow card would have done.
2 week break now - time to recharge the batteries to give this league a rattle. No better habit to get into than winning
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 13, 2017, 02:01:53 PM
It's interesting that Mayo, Kerry and now Tyrone in the league have all drawn with the Dubs twice in the last few years. Is it psychological that teams find it hard to put them away now. A lot of Dub fans told me they thought they were beaten on Sat night
The psychology in refereeing it seems to me.
Quote from: Taylor on February 13, 2017, 12:25:08 PM
How many teams have put it up to the Dubs in the last few years?
very bloody few.
We did and that without Mattie and red/black cards as well as a half fit Sean.
We will only improve and it bodes well for September. Anyone saying different are jealous or blinkered
Mayo.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 12, 2017, 11:27:30 PM
McCann's black card did look understandable at the time but there were far more blatant ones not punished.
This is the case after every game.
Quote from: An Watcher on February 14, 2017, 07:32:36 AM
He didn't connect to his face. More like a push into his neck. 2 yellows would have been fine as Cooper had knocked him to the ground previously
I was sitting right in line with the linesman in the Hogan Stand. The linesman had moved off his line onto the pitch to presumably tell them both to quit with the pushing and shoving. Then with the linesman standing no more than a few yards away from them and looking straight at them, Bradley connected with the face/head. A brainless action. But yeah, it was the ref's fault or Cooper's fault.
I know Sean is only playing the role of a sub recently but I think when he does get back up to speed he needs to stay much closer to the goals rather than the role he is playing of coming back to help out his defence.
He only scored 7 points the whole of last year's championship and whilst you can blame blanket defences to some degree I just think he needs to be shooting more and not playing so deep.
With McAliskey out for the year we need more players to getting us scores and not be depending so much on Peter Harte, Mattie Donnelly and players coming from deep.
The last few years that we've lost to Mayo and Kerry, we've had loads of chances to win or draw the game but aren't taking our chances. Sean is one of our best point takers but for some reason he doesn't seem to be shooting as much as he used to. He showed us in the Ulster final what he can do when he has the chances. On Sat night again we had loads of wides although the conditions were very bad.
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How many teams have put it up to the Dubs in the last few years?
very bloody few.
We did and that without Mattie and red/black cards as well as a half fit Sean.
We will only improve and it bodes well for September. Anyone saying different are jealous or blinkered
You did put it up to us alright but bearing in mind you've had a bit more training and games you should have won. Also Dub have Cian O'Sullivan, D Connolly, P Flynn, B Brogan, P Andrews, C Costelloe etc all to come back into the team
Will Connolly have the confidence to come back from the roastings by Lee Keegan and Mc Keague. Is he a fading star? Can Brogan do much more than keep O Gara on the bench. I fear the Dubs could struggle later in the year. All good eras come to an end sooner than you think. Fair play they were some outfit.
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Will Connolly have the confidence to come back from the roastings by Lee Keegan and Mc Keague. Is he a fading star? Can Brogan do much more than keep O Gara on the bench. I fear the Dubs could struggle later in the year. All good eras come to an end sooner than you think. Fair play they were some outfit.
Keep saying it - you're bound to be right sometime. ;)
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How many teams have put it up to the Dubs in the last few years?
very bloody few.
We did and that without Mattie and red/black cards as well as a half fit Sean.
We will only improve and it bodes well for September. Anyone saying different are jealous or blinkered
You did put it up to us alright but bearing in mind you've had a bit more training and games you should have won. Also Dub have Cian O'Sullivan, D Connolly, P Flynn, B Brogan, P Andrews, C Costelloe etc all to come back into the team
We would still have Mattie Donnelly, Richie Donnelly, Ronan McNabb and Kieran McGeary to come back in as well who will all be pushing for places.
Overall it was an encouraging display but we won't really know the extent of what it's answered until the two meet in an Autumn Championship encounter. I think in the last two league encounters against Dublin we have shown that they are very uncomfortable against us and I sensed Gavin's post match were of a rattled man.
We just need to focus on the places we left ourselves down and keep working on them.
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Will Connolly have the confidence to come back from the roastings by Lee Keegan and Mc Keague. Is he a fading star? Can Brogan do much more than keep O Gara on the bench. I fear the Dubs could struggle later in the year. All good eras come to an end sooner than you think. Fair play they were some outfit.
They'll pay for a sports psychologist to move in with him 24/7 to ensure nothing happens, he'll be alright.
I have enjoyed the domination of the Dubs as much as the next man, but I honestly believe we would have beat them last year or if we get to meet them this year in the championship. Its fecking Mayo we cant beat. Some day Mayo are going to meet Tyrone in a final. What the hell happens then?
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I have enjoyed the domination of the Dubs as much as the next man, but I honestly believe we would have beat them last year or if we get to meet them this year in the championship. Its fecking Mayo we cant beat. Some day Mayo are going to meet Tyrone in a final. What the hell happens then?
You could well be right about what might happen if Dublin and Tyrone were to meet in the summer but I think you will agree that a game played on a vicious February night is no guide to what might happen in August or September.
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I have enjoyed the domination of the Dubs as much as the next man, but I honestly believe we would have beat them last year or if we get to meet them this year in the championship. Its fecking Mayo we cant beat. Some day Mayo are going to meet Tyrone in a final. What the hell happens then?
Based on what? Give me one piece of evidence to prove this? Examle(s)?
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I have enjoyed the domination of the Dubs as much as the next man, but I honestly believe we would have beat them last year or if we get to meet them this year in the championship. Its fecking Mayo we cant beat. Some day Mayo are going to meet Tyrone in a final. What the hell happens then?
Based on what? Give me one piece of evidence to prove this? Examle(s)?
I think it's just his opinion, probably based on the previous four or so league games v the Dubs which have been very close. The Dubs do seem to struggle against our style of play and to be honest they were pretty poor for long periods of an All Ireland final which in truth, Mayo probably should have won. Tyrone folk will believe they left the Mayo game behind them with poor shooting, so based on that form line, his opinion was based, I assume. The great thing about football, and probably the whole basis of being a fan, is that you can have belief in your team without needing concrete evidence that they are going to win. Mayo fans keep coming back to watch them in All Ireland finals ffs!
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I have enjoyed the domination of the Dubs as much as the next man, but I honestly believe we would have beat them last year or if we get to meet them this year in the championship. Its fecking Mayo we cant beat. Some day Mayo are going to meet Tyrone in a final. What the hell happens then?
Based on what? Give me one piece of evidence to prove this? Examle(s)?
There you go again
I'll give you some if you can tell me how to prove something that will happen in the future?
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I have enjoyed the domination of the Dubs as much as the next man, but I honestly believe we would have beat them last year or if we get to meet them this year in the championship. Its fecking Mayo we cant beat. Some day Mayo are going to meet Tyrone in a final. What the hell happens then?
Based on what? Give me one piece of evidence to prove this? Examle(s)?
There you go again
I'll give you some if you can tell me how to prove something that will happen in the future?
Well, this is where form comes into place. You look at results in Championship. You look at recent Ulster titles won. You look at games where they beat top sides in AI Quarter finals and Semi finals. You just can't say this team will do this and that team will do that without backing it up with solid stats? Or just because Uncle Peter said so!
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I have enjoyed the domination of the Dubs as much as the next man, but I honestly believe we would have beat them last year or if we get to meet them this year in the championship. Its fecking Mayo we cant beat. Some day Mayo are going to meet Tyrone in a final. What the hell happens then?
Based on what? Give me one piece of evidence to prove this? Examle(s)?
There you go again
I'll give you some if you can tell me how to prove something that will happen in the future?
Well, this is where form comes into place. You look at results in Championship. You look at recent Ulster titles won. You look at games where they beat top sides in AI Quarter finals and Semi finals. You just can't say this team will do this and that team will do that without backing it up with solid stats? Or just because Uncle Peter said so!
So form and stats prove the future now do they?
Ive been over this with you before....but you cant seem to help yourself
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I have enjoyed the domination of the Dubs as much as the next man, but I honestly believe we would have beat them last year or if we get to meet them this year in the championship. Its fecking Mayo we cant beat. Some day Mayo are going to meet Tyrone in a final. What the hell happens then?
Based on what? Give me one piece of evidence to prove this? Examle(s)?
There you go again
I'll give you some if you can tell me how to prove something that will happen in the future?
Well, this is where form comes into place. You look at results in Championship. You look at recent Ulster titles won. You look at games where they beat top sides in AI Quarter finals and Semi finals. You just can't say this team will do this and that team will do that without backing it up with solid stats? Or just because Uncle Peter said so!
So form and stats prove the future now do they?
Ive been over this with you before....but you cant seem to help yourself
Ok, I'll lay it out there for you. Tyrone in Championship football have only beaten Monaghan in Croker in recent years. They have won one Ulster title in 6 years. I can't remember when they last played Dublin in Championship. Definitely not since 2011. Running Dublin Close in a League Match in February is a different Animal to meeting them in September. I believe they are not far (if not over the line) in beating the Kerrys never mind the Mayo's and Donegals of this world. This is not a put down, more a reality check. And god knows as a Mayo man we've had a bucket full down the years.
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I have enjoyed the domination of the Dubs as much as the next man, but I honestly believe we would have beat them last year or if we get to meet them this year in the championship. Its fecking Mayo we cant beat. Some day Mayo are going to meet Tyrone in a final. What the hell happens then?
Based on what? Give me one piece of evidence to prove this? Examle(s)?
There you go again
I'll give you some if you can tell me how to prove something that will happen in the future?
Well, this is where form comes into place. You look at results in Championship. You look at recent Ulster titles won. You look at games where they beat top sides in AI Quarter finals and Semi finals. You just can't say this team will do this and that team will do that without backing it up with solid stats? Or just because Uncle Peter said so!
So form and stats prove the future now do they?
Ive been over this with you before....but you cant seem to help yourself
Ok, I'll lay it out there for you. Tyrone in Championship football have only beaten Monaghan in Croker in recent years. They have won one Ulster title in 6 years. I can't remember when they last played Dublin in Championship. Definitely not since 2011. Running Dublin Close in a League Match in February is a different Animal to meeting them in September. I believe they are not far (if not over the line) in beating the Kerrys never mind the Mayo's and Donegals of this world. This is not a put down, more a reality check. And god knows as a Mayo man we've had a bucket full down the years.
Thats great...now can you leave Tyrone, Monaghan, Mayo, Dublin and even football aside for a moment.
And tell me how to prove a future event is going to happen
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I have enjoyed the domination of the Dubs as much as the next man, but I honestly believe we would have beat them last year or if we get to meet them this year in the championship. Its fecking Mayo we cant beat. Some day Mayo are going to meet Tyrone in a final. What the hell happens then?
Based on what? Give me one piece of evidence to prove this? Examle(s)?
There you go again
I'll give you some if you can tell me how to prove something that will happen in the future?
Well, this is where form comes into place. You look at results in Championship. You look at recent Ulster titles won. You look at games where they beat top sides in AI Quarter finals and Semi finals. You just can't say this team will do this and that team will do that without backing it up with solid stats? Or just because Uncle Peter said so!
So form and stats prove the future now do they?
Ive been over this with you before....but you cant seem to help yourself
Ok, I'll lay it out there for you. Tyrone in Championship football have only beaten Monaghan in Croker in recent years. They have won one Ulster title in 6 years. I can't remember when they last played Dublin in Championship. Definitely not since 2011. Running Dublin Close in a League Match in February is a different Animal to meeting them in September. I believe they are not far (if not over the line) in beating the Kerrys never mind the Mayo's and Donegals of this world. This is not a put down, more a reality check. And god knows as a Mayo man we've had a bucket full down the years.
Thats great...now can you leave Tyrone, Monaghan, Mayo, Dublin and even football aside for a moment.
And tell me how to prove a future event is going to happen
I'm not telling you how a future event is going to happen, I've told you of recent past events that have. Your Colleagues have been doing a lot of predicting the last couple of pages. All I was looking for was proof! You don't want to go down that road and gone of on your own Tangent and good luck to you.
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Will Connolly have the confidence to come back from the roastings by Lee Keegan and Mc Keague. Is he a fading star? Can Brogan do much more than keep O Gara on the bench. I fear the Dubs could struggle later in the year. All good eras come to an end sooner than you think. Fair play they were some outfit.
They'll pay for a sports psychologist to move in with him 24/7 to ensure nothing happens, he'll be alright.
Stephen Coen kept tabs on Connolly too don't forget.
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Quote from: rrhf on February 14, 2017, 07:36:58 PM
I have enjoyed the domination of the Dubs as much as the next man, but I honestly believe we would have beat them last year or if we get to meet them this year in the championship. Its fecking Mayo we cant beat. Some day Mayo are going to meet Tyrone in a final. What the hell happens then?
Based on what? Give me one piece of evidence to prove this? Examle(s)?
There you go again
I'll give you some if you can tell me how to prove something that will happen in the future?
Well, this is where form comes into place. You look at results in Championship. You look at recent Ulster titles won. You look at games where they beat top sides in AI Quarter finals and Semi finals. You just can't say this team will do this and that team will do that without backing it up with solid stats? Or just because Uncle Peter said so!
So form and stats prove the future now do they?
Ive been over this with you before....but you cant seem to help yourself
Ok, I'll lay it out there for you. Tyrone in Championship football have only beaten Monaghan in Croker in recent years. They have won one Ulster title in 6 years. I can't remember when they last played Dublin in Championship. Definitely not since 2011. Running Dublin Close in a League Match in February is a different Animal to meeting them in September. I believe they are not far (if not over the line) in beating the Kerrys never mind the Mayo's and Donegals of this world. This is not a put down, more a reality check. And god knows as a Mayo man we've had a bucket full down the years.
Thats great...now can you leave Tyrone, Monaghan, Mayo, Dublin and even football aside for a moment.
And tell me how to prove a future event is going to happen
I'm not telling you how a future event is going to happen, I've told you of recent past events that have. Your Colleagues have been doing a lot of predicting the last couple of pages. All I was looking for was proof! You don't want to go down that road and gone of on your own Tangent and good luck to you.
No your not telling us but you want evidence that is going to prove that Tyrone are going to beat Dublin, that is an event in the future is it not?
I'll make it easy for you, show me a case where evidence proved a result before it happened.
Presumably they called off this match as playing it would have been pointless with the result already known?
;D
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I have enjoyed the domination of the Dubs as much as the next man, but I honestly believe we would have beat them last year or if we get to meet them this year in the championship. Its
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fecking Mayo we cant beat. Some day Mayo are going to meet Tyrone in a final. What the hell
happens then?
Based on what? Give me one piece of evidence to prove this? Examle(s)?
There you go again
I'll give you some if you can tell me how to prove something that will happen in the future?
Well, this is where form comes into place. You look at results in Championship. You look at recent Ulster titles won. You look at games where they beat top sides in AI Quarter finals and Semi finals. You just can't say this team will do this and that team will do that without backing it up with solid stats? Or just because Uncle Peter said so!
So form and stats prove the future now do they?
Ive been over this with you before....but you cant seem to help yourself
Ok, I'll lay it out there for you. Tyrone in Championship football have only beaten Monaghan in Croker in recent years. They have won one Ulster title in 6 years. I can't remember when they last played Dublin in Championship. Definitely not since 2011. Running Dublin Close in a League Match in February is a different Animal to meeting them in September. I believe they are not far (if not over the line) in beating the Kerrys never mind the Mayo's and Donegals of this world. This is not a put down, more a reality check. And god knows as a Mayo man we've had a bucket full down the years.
Thats great...now can you leave Tyrone, Monaghan, Mayo, Dublin and even football aside for a moment.
And tell me how to prove a future event is going to happen
I'm not telling you how a future event is going to happen, I've told you of recent past events that have. Your Colleagues have been doing a lot of predicting the last couple of pages. All I was looking for was proof! You don't want to go down that road and gone of on your own Tangent and good luck to you.
No your not telling us but you want evidence that is going to prove that Tyrone are going to beat Dublin, that is an event in the future is it not?
I'll make it easy for you, show me a case where evidence proved a result before it happened.
Presumably they called off this match as playing it would have been pointless with the result already known?
how the f**k can you prove a prediction until the event in question takes place dipshit
I just tweeted Russell Grant. We should know pretty soon.
We must be doing something right - our competitors are getting a little narked.
Fact is in 2017 so far Tyrone look the most likely team to beat the Dubs in September
I honestly believe Derry would have beaten Dublin last year
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I honestly believe Derry would have beaten Dublin last year
I agree and I can prove it.
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I have enjoyed the domination of the Dubs as much as the next man, but I honestly believe we would have beat them last year or if we get to meet them this year in the championship. Its fecking Mayo we cant beat. Some day Mayo are going to meet Tyrone in a final. What the hell happens then?
Based on what? Give me one piece of evidence to prove this? Examle(s)?
There you go again
I'll give you some if you can tell me how to prove something that will happen in the future?
Well, this is where form comes into place. You look at results in Championship. You look at recent Ulster titles won. You look at games where they beat top sides in AI Quarter finals and Semi finals. You just can't say this team will do this and that team will do that without backing it up with solid stats? Or just because Uncle Peter said so!
So form and stats prove the future now do they?
Ive been over this with you before....but you cant seem to help yourself
Ok, I'll lay it out there for you. Tyrone in Championship football have only beaten Monaghan in Croker in recent years. They have won one Ulster title in 6 years. I can't remember when they last played Dublin in Championship. Definitely not since 2011. Running Dublin Close in a League Match in February is a different Animal to meeting them in September. I believe they are not far (if not over the line) in beating the Kerrys never mind the Mayo's and Donegals of this world. This is not a put down, more a reality check. And god knows as a Mayo man we've had a bucket full down the years.
Thats great...now can you leave Tyrone, Monaghan, Mayo, Dublin and even football aside for a moment.
And tell me how to prove a future event is going to happen
I'm not telling you how a future event is going to happen, I've told you of recent past events that have. Your Colleagues have been doing a lot of predicting the last couple of pages. All I was looking for was proof! You don't want to go down that road and gone of on your own Tangent and good luck to you.
No your not telling us but you want evidence that is going to prove that Tyrone are going to beat Dublin, that is an event in the future is it not?
I'll make it easy for you, show me a case where evidence proved a result before it happened.
Presumably they called off this match as playing it would have been pointless with the result already known?
I've a few prematch text messages on my phone from over the years about the results of Glenavon, Dungannon Swifts and Armagh City on the last day of the season. Does that count?
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I have enjoyed the domination of the Dubs as much as the next man, but I honestly believe we would have beat them last year or if we get to meet them this year in the championship. Its fecking Mayo we cant beat. Some day Mayo are going to meet Tyrone in a final. What the hell happens then?
Based on what? Give me one piece of evidence to prove this? Examle(s)?
There you go again
I'll give you some if you can tell me how to prove something that will happen in the future?
Well, this is where form comes into place. You look at results in Championship. You look at recent Ulster titles won. You look at games where they beat top sides in AI Quarter finals and Semi finals. You just can't say this team will do this and that team will do that without backing it up with solid stats? Or just because Uncle Peter said so!
So form and stats prove the future now do they?
Ive been over this with you before....but you cant seem to help yourself
Ok, I'll lay it out there for you. Tyrone in Championship football have only beaten Monaghan in Croker in recent years. They have won one Ulster title in 6 years. I can't remember when they last played Dublin in Championship. Definitely not since 2011. Running Dublin Close in a League Match in February is a different Animal to meeting them in September. I believe they are not far (if not over the line) in beating the Kerrys never mind the Mayo's and Donegals of this world. This is not a put down, more a reality check. And god knows as a Mayo man we've had a bucket full down the years.
Thats great...now can you leave Tyrone, Monaghan, Mayo, Dublin and even football aside for a moment.
And tell me how to prove a future event is going to happen
I'm not telling you how a future event is going to happen, I've told you of recent past events that have. Your Colleagues have been doing a lot of predicting the last couple of pages. All I was looking for was proof! You don't want to go down that road and gone of on your own Tangent and good luck to you.
No your not telling us but you want evidence that is going to prove that Tyrone are going to beat Dublin, that is an event in the future is it not?
I'll make it easy for you, show me a case where evidence proved a result before it happened.
Presumably they called off this match as playing it would have been pointless with the result already known?
Give us something to give credence to the statement that Tyrone would have beaten Dublin last year had they met
OmaghJoe
I think what he means is can you provide some evidence is the form such as
1. Mayo lost to Galway last year in Connacht so it's logical that they went on to draw with Dublin in the AI final.
2. Mayo have drawn with Dublin twice now in the last 2 years so this is evidence they will probably win the AI this year
3. Mayo have been the most consistent team since the new millennium getting to 5 finals so they are bound to win it
some time soon.
Fuzzman, are actually defending the comments of omagejoe and rrhf? It's bizarre to claim Tyrone would have beaten Dublin last year or that they could on the basis of a league game in February which was only the second of 2017 for most Dublin players. Dublin could be beaten by 4 or 5 teams this year but it's unlikely and there is nothing we've seen from anybody in the past two years to say it's likely.
Jeepers lads, show a bit of wit would ye. Of course the game on Sat night tells us very little about how the same two teams would fair later on in the year. Neither team were at full strength and Tyrone lost one of their better defenders and forwards during the game.
Dublin are unbeaten in 31 games now and you would imagine they are still favourites for Sam in 2017 with Mayo and Kerry a close 2nd and 3rd as both teams have got close to them in recent years.
Last year a lot of neutrals wanted to see Tyrone play the Dubs to see could their style of play beat them but it never happened. Tyrone are a very young team who are making progress but I think we lack 1 or 2 forwards to win an AI, a bit like Mayo. The big question is can a team beat the Dubs playing that style of football without good forwards and a great free taker.
Now we are talking sense. No harm in having ambition and willing your county on. But there is also blinkered reality that can create a hyperbole of what you county can achieve.
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Jeepers lads, show a bit of wit would ye. Of course the game on Sat night tells us very little about how the same two teams would fair later on in the year. Neither team were at full strength and Tyrone lost one of their better defenders and forwards during the game.
Dublin are unbeaten in 31 games now and you would imagine they are still favourites for Sam in 2017 with Mayo and Kerry a close 2nd and 3rd as both teams have got close to them in recent years.
Last year a lot of neutrals wanted to see Tyrone play the Dubs to see could their style of play beat them but it never happened. Tyrone are a very young team who are making progress but I think we lack 1 or 2 forwards to win an AI, a bit like Mayo. The big question is can a team beat the Dubs playing that style of football without good forwards and a great free taker.
I actually think Tyrone are going about it all wrong. Tyrone's forwards might not be top class but they aren't bad and are probably better than most other teams. However, asking them to run up and down Croke Park and harry opponents all day is bound to impact upon their accuracy and distance. The one thing that is almost certain is that Tyrone won't beat Dublin playing like they do. That system is a busted flush and will only keep you close to the big teams, especially if you don't have 2 or 3 special forwards. But a full strength Dublin, Kerry or Mayo will breakdown a massed defence in the height of summer and Tyrone's style means Tyrone supporters will be on here bemoaning some bad misses and balls dropped short after a 1 or 2 point defeat to a big gun.
I think a more self confident and adventurous approach would serve Tyrone better.
Tyrone will cause Dublin serious problems if they meet them in the All-Ireland semi-final.
Five meetings between the two since Jim Gavin took over and Dublin are one point ahead on aggregate, notching two one point wins in 2013 and 2014. And most of those matches were with considerably inferior Tyrone teams to what currently exists - and Dublin were probably better in 2013 and 2014 than they are now.
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 15, 2017, 11:19:44 AM
Jeepers lads, show a bit of wit would ye. Of course the game on Sat night tells us very little about how the same two teams would fair later on in the year. Neither team were at full strength and Tyrone lost one of their better defenders and forwards during the game.
Dublin are unbeaten in 31 games now and you would imagine they are still favourites for Sam in 2017 with Mayo and Kerry a close 2nd and 3rd as both teams have got close to them in recent years.
Last year a lot of neutrals wanted to see Tyrone play the Dubs to see could their style of play beat them but it never happened. Tyrone are a very young team who are making progress but I think we lack 1 or 2 forwards to win an AI, a bit like Mayo. The big question is can a team beat the Dubs playing that style of football without good forwards and a great free taker.
Did Longford not beat them in the O'Byrne cup final last year?
Sean Cavanagh had an interview in the Examiner today and he quoted the fact that Tyrone scored 1-7 from 28 efforts against Dublin.
You could maybe write it off as one bad game but this Tyrone have had a number of games where they have had shooting returns well below the other serious contenders.
It's generally teams with the best attacks that win all-Ireland, not the best defence, so unless Tyrone get very lucky I don't rate them as a genuine All-Ireland contender.
That hoor Russell Grant hasn't replied yet
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Just as I predicted but didnt bother too as I knew you knew. :)
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Quote from: Fuzzman on February 15, 2017, 11:19:44 AM
Jeepers lads, show a bit of wit would ye. Of course the game on Sat night tells us very little about how the same two teams would fair later on in the year. Neither team were at full strength and Tyrone lost one of their better defenders and forwards during the game.
Dublin are unbeaten in 31 games now and you would imagine they are still favourites for Sam in 2017 with Mayo and Kerry a close 2nd and 3rd as both teams have got close to them in recent years.
Last year a lot of neutrals wanted to see Tyrone play the Dubs to see could their style of play beat them but it never happened. Tyrone are a very young team who are making progress but I think we lack 1 or 2 forwards to win an AI, a bit like Mayo. The big question is can a team beat the Dubs playing that style of football without good forwards and a great free taker.
I actually think Tyrone are going about it all wrong. Tyrone's forwards might not be top class but they aren't bad and are probably better than most other teams. However, asking them to run up and down Croke Park and harry opponents all day is bound to impact upon their accuracy and distance. The one thing that is almost certain is that Tyrone won't beat Dublin playing like they do. That system is a busted flush and will only keep you close to the big teams, especially if you don't have 2 or 3 special forwards. But a full strength Dublin, Kerry or Mayo will breakdown a massed defence in the height of summer and Tyrone's style means Tyrone supporters will be on here bemoaning some bad misses and balls dropped short after a 1 or 2 point defeat to a big gun.
I think a more self confident and adventurous approach would serve Tyrone better.
That's hyperbole. It's not all wrong, they have their defence plan sorted reasonably well its just the balance that is awry at the minute between attack and defence. I've seen us several times down the years have real bother getting the balance right. Armagh replay 05 and Westmeath 08. Up till those dates Tyrone were playing well but the team wasn't just clicking into the right gears. It was luck more than anything that those teams just fell into a comfortable and ultimately successful AI winning style.
The system is reasonably sound, just needs a few tweaks, just as Mayo's the past 5 years has too.
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I actually think Tyrone are going about it all wrong. Tyrone's forwards might not be top class but they aren't bad and are probably better than most other teams. However, asking them to run up and down Croke Park and harry opponents all day is bound to impact upon their accuracy and distance. The one thing that is almost certain is that Tyrone won't beat Dublin playing like they do. That system is a busted flush and will only keep you close to the big teams, especially if you don't have 2 or 3 special forwards. But a full strength Dublin, Kerry or Mayo will breakdown a massed defence in the height of summer and Tyrone's style means Tyrone supporters will be on here bemoaning some bad misses and balls dropped short after a 1 or 2 point defeat to a big gun.
I think a more self confident and adventurous approach would serve Tyrone better.
[/quote] not sure where your from zulu but thats an excellent post and i totally agreee with you. couldnt have said it better myself
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Quote from: Fuzzman on February 15, 2017, 11:19:44 AM
Jeepers lads, show a bit of wit would ye. Of course the game on Sat night tells us very little about how the same two teams would fair later on in the year. Neither team were at full strength and Tyrone lost one of their better defenders and forwards during the game.
Dublin are unbeaten in 31 games now and you would imagine they are still favourites for Sam in 2017 with Mayo and Kerry a close 2nd and 3rd as both teams have got close to them in recent years.
Last year a lot of neutrals wanted to see Tyrone play the Dubs to see could their style of play beat them but it never happened. Tyrone are a very young team who are making progress but I think we lack 1 or 2 forwards to win an AI, a bit like Mayo. The big question is can a team beat the Dubs playing that style of football without good forwards and a great free taker.
I actually think Tyrone are going about it all wrong. Tyrone's forwards might not be top class but they aren't bad and are probably better than most other teams. However, asking them to run up and down Croke Park and harry opponents all day is bound to impact upon their accuracy and distance. The one thing that is almost certain is that Tyrone won't beat Dublin playing like they do. That system is a busted flush and will only keep you close to the big teams, especially if you don't have 2 or 3 special forwards. But a full strength Dublin, Kerry or Mayo will breakdown a massed defence in the height of summer and Tyrone's style means Tyrone supporters will be on here bemoaning some bad misses and balls dropped short after a 1 or 2 point defeat to a big gun.
I think a more self confident and adventurous approach would serve Tyrone better.
I don't actually know the answer to this as I haven't seen the stats but who created the most scoring chances on Saturday night? Given the wide count I'd probably say Tyrone. Our problem isn't that we have forwards running up and down, we create chances ok, but it is applying the finish to those chances that we create. We don't have that finisher like Steven O'Neill or Canavan as in years gone by and if we did I'd be fairly certain Mickey wouldn't have them running up and down Croke Park. Our best shooters are Harte, Donnelly, Cavannagh and Sludden. None of which (perhaps with expection of Sean) are suited to the inside forward role. To get these lads involved they need to attacking from deep positions, taking the ball facing the goal and we need our forward line moving out of their way. Attacking from deep positions enables the lads to find space that would otherwise be bottled up if lining out in a trafitional formation. It doesn't really matter what number is on the back when it comes to attacking or defending but if we were to shift to an all out attack then I believe we wouldn't match the like of Dublin or Kerry as they make hay in the space that is created. I know it was only a league game in February but the Dubs were frustrated and knocked out of their stride for long periods last weekend. In my view, that's the way to beat them....make them play your game, knock them off their gameplan and don't let them dictate what is happening. Don't have a gun fight with them! We've come a long way down this game plan, for better or worse it's taken us to a position were we are at least competitive at the top table again. Whether it eventually brings us over the line, time will tell but I wouldn't go abandoning it now, though it would be nice to get those guys who can shoot on the ball in more dangerous positions more often!
Tyrone need to maintain a presence on the D. Niall sudden made a lung bursting run near end of 2nd half but had no support in the forward line. An out ball gives the ball carriers another option , ties up 2/3 of the opposition . All forwards have capabilities to score but not after running 50 / 60 yards.
They can rotate this to spread the work load.
Plus we need a 90% free taker on the field !
Quote from: delgany on February 15, 2017, 11:20:01 PM
Tyrone need to maintain a presence on the D. Niall sudden made a lung bursting run near end of 2nd half but had no support in the forward line. An out ball gives the ball carriers another option , ties up 2/3 of the opposition . All forwards have capabilities to score but not after running 50 / 60 yards.
They can rotate this to spread the work load.
Plus we need a 90% free taker on the field !
Definitely agree with that. Easier said than done though.
90% is the standard . This is achievable by practice , focus and having an established routine. Good examples in Rugby and gaelic. Dean rock pointed from outside 45 , he put this down to his practice routine.
No tyrone player has that focus at the minute. Too many easy frees inside the 30 M are missed. This has been a problem for a number of years. Can't understand why this hasn't been sorted
That was a phenomenal point by Rock in those conditions.
Quote from: ONeill on February 16, 2017, 12:11:00 AM
That was a phenomenal point by Rock in those conditions.
Rock is a phenomenal free taker in fairness, real quality. That was superb though all things considered.
Finally a proper discussion on what the real problem is with Tyrone in my eyes.
Yes like so many others I'm not overly happy with the style of football we play but it sure is effective and we create a hell of a lot of scoring chances. We missed a lot against Mayo last summer and kicked 11 wides last Sat night, 8 of which was with the wind though it was a terrible night.
The way the game has gone it has become so difficult for the inside line to score from play and so if you look at Dublin and Mayo over the last few years, look how many of their scores come from frees.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-statistics-the-duel-of-the-dead-ball-specialists-1.2783320 (http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-statistics-the-duel-of-the-dead-ball-specialists-1.2783320)
A few years back I remember a lot of my Dublin friends saying they don't think Rock is good enough to keep his place as he doesn't contribute enough from play. Nearly all good teams have at least one player who can score regularly from frees like say Bryan Sheehan did for Kerry or Cillian O'Connor. Last year we thought Ronan O'Neill was our such player, who we could maybe "carry" as long as he was knocking over the frees but he faltered and missed quite a few and so we ended up sharing it around the team. I know it's been repeated quite a lot now but if we continue down this road of playing this system but not having a top notch free taker I can't see us beating one of the top 3 teams.
Delgany said below no Tyrone player has that focus at the moment and I would agree but I can't understand why Mickey and Horse don't address this. Why not pick ONE left footed player (Peter Harte I suppose) and ONE right footed and let them hit them ALL. Not keep changing it and so they can really focus on it.
Who was hitting them on Sat night with their right foot?
They have gone with Harte for the left footed frees and seem to have stuck with that. They stuck with Ronan O'Neill for the majority of last year for the right footed ones but he struggles badly with the further out frees and they eventually had to try other players. We have very few right footed players other than that for the frees. I think McAliskey would have got a go this year if stayed fit. They could end up going back to Cavanagh but he can be hit and miss with the close up ones. The only other option is someone like a Mattie Donnelly but no idea what he's like at frees.
The problem with finding a reliable free taker is not just getting someone to practice the skill as I think O'Neill, McCurry, Brennan, Morgan, Harte etc are all capable and skilled strikers of the ball but the issue is, can they perform when the pressure is applied? That temperament is the bit that can't necessarily be easily coached. I agree, practice can improve performance but you just can't recreate the pressure of a big game. Think of Canavan relishing the free kick v Armagh in 2005. We don't currently have anyone who I would be confident of converting that under those conditions but all the lads named above could kick that score on a Tuesday night in training. It's not a problem easily solved and the more it's highlighted as the year progresses the bigger the pressure on the free taker.
The lack of a reliable free taker also takes the pressure off the opposition defence as they know a reckless tackle doesn't necessarily mean a guaranteed point against. This just enables a little more aggression in the tackle and pressure on the shooter.
I know the point you're making BennyH but I think we've got more of a problem than just the pressure kicks but also with just the bread and butter frees.
It's one thing having a free taker like Michael Murphy, McManus or Rock who quite frequently score frees from 45 yards or so and we do struggle with that but I think we also struggle with a lot of our nearer frees over the last few years.
How often are you at a Tyrone match and we get a free say 40 yards out on the left wing and you think this will definitely go over. You usually would say that if it was Rock, McManus, Murphy, C.O'Connor, Sheehan or Gooch.
RHS, last year we had Ronan O'Neill, McAliskey, McCurry, Morgan and Peter Harte all hitting frees at different stages. Big Sean was very accurate in 2008 when he was hitting them and so I'm amazed he doesn't act as captain and take responsibility or is it he wants to give youth its chance.
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 16, 2017, 01:06:41 PM
I know the point you're making BennyH but I think we've got more of a problem than just the pressure kicks but also with just the bread and butter frees.
It's one thing having a free taker like Michael Murphy, McManus or Rock who quite frequently score frees from 45 yards or so and we do struggle with that but I think we also struggle with a lot of our nearer frees over the last few years.
How often are you at a Tyrone match and we get a free say 40 yards out on the left wing and you think this will definitely go over. You usually would say that if it was Rock, McManus, Murphy, C.O'Connor, Sheehan or Gooch.
RHS, last year we had Ronan O'Neill, McAliskey, McCurry, Morgan and Peter Harte all hitting frees at different stages. Big Sean was very accurate in 2008 when he was hitting them and so I'm amazed he doesn't act as captain and take responsibility or is it he wants to give youth its chance.
I don't necessarily just mean the free to win the game. Consistency at county level takes a certain mentality as the stakes are higher on every kick. You watch videos of McCurry and Morgan kicking 50s for fun but the pressure of a county game seems to get to them. I think we are actually arguing a different version of the same point here. Maybe we just have to choose a kicker and stick with him and hope he develops the consistency. It's added pressure, I suppose, knowing if you miss someone else will be given the job for the next free!
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I have enjoyed the domination of the Dubs as much as the next man, but I honestly believe we would have beat them last year or if we get to meet them this year in the championship. Its fecking Mayo we cant beat. Some day Mayo are going to meet Tyrone in a final. What the hell happens then?
Based on what? Give me one piece of evidence to prove this? Examle(s)?
There you go again
I'll give you some if you can tell me how to prove something that will happen in the future?
Well, this is where form comes into place. You look at results in Championship. You look at recent Ulster titles won. You look at games where they beat top sides in AI Quarter finals and Semi finals. You just can't say this team will do this and that team will do that without backing it up with solid stats? Or just because Uncle Peter said so!
It comes down to the known vs the unknown. We've seen Kerry and Mayo up against Jim Gavin's Dublin. Dublin have yet to be beaten by either in a knockout game of football. It's pretty much been the same Mayo and Kerry sides in that period, Kerry side will probably see a fair bit of change in that time period but from 2013-2016 there has been little change in the Mayo and Kerry sides.
This Tyrone side, the bulk have been on the go as established players since 2015. So there's much more scope to prove right now.
When it comes to Dublin, there's also the style aspect - the only side to topple Gavin's Dublin in a knockout game - an Ulster side, Donegal. A side with an extremely solid defensive base which were the foundations of their game plan, much like Tyrone. There's also the fact that Dublin haven't looked at all comfortable in those games against Tyrone, they have had to play the game on our terms, they don't like that. See Gavin's rattled interview and barbed comments on our style of football after.
We know how Kerry and Mayo have fared against Dublin over the past few years, we just don't know about Tyrone yet.
You seem a bit defensive about that notion though.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 17, 2017, 11:18:08 PM
It comes down to the known vs the unknown. We've seen Kerry and Mayo up against Jim Gavin's Dublin. Dublin have yet to be beaten by either in a knockout game of football. It's pretty much been the same Mayo and Kerry sides in that period, Kerry side will probably see a fair bit of change in that time period but from 2013-2016 there has been little change in the Mayo and Kerry sides.
This Tyrone side, the bulk have been on the go as established players since 2015. So there's much more scope to prove right now.
When it comes to Dublin, there's also the style aspect - the only side to topple Gavin's Dublin in a knockout game - an Ulster side, Donegal. A side with an extremely solid defensive base which were the foundations of their game plan, much like Tyrone. There's also the fact that Dublin haven't looked at all comfortable in those games against Tyrone, they have had to play the game on our terms, they don't like that. See Gavin's rattled interview and barbed comments on our style of football after.
We know how Kerry and Mayo have fared against Dublin over the past few years, we just don't know about Tyrone yet.
You seem a bit defensive about that notion though.
Yeah, we do. This decade, Tyrone have not made it past the semi final stage of the AI championship. In knock out games, they have failed to beat the 2 counties (Mayo and Kerry) that Dublin have beaten consistantly. So what does that tell us? It tells us that Tyrone are not as good as Mayo and Kerry are. The reason why we do not know how good Tyrone would do against Dublin, is because they have not (yet) been good enough to reach the stage of the championship, where they would actually play Dublin.
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 17, 2017, 11:18:08 PM
It comes down to the known vs the unknown. We've seen Kerry and Mayo up against Jim Gavin's Dublin. Dublin have yet to be beaten by either in a knockout game of football. It's pretty much been the same Mayo and Kerry sides in that period, Kerry side will probably see a fair bit of change in that time period but from 2013-2016 there has been little change in the Mayo and Kerry sides.
This Tyrone side, the bulk have been on the go as established players since 2015. So there's much more scope to prove right now.
When it comes to Dublin, there's also the style aspect - the only side to topple Gavin's Dublin in a knockout game - an Ulster side, Donegal. A side with an extremely solid defensive base which were the foundations of their game plan, much like Tyrone. There's also the fact that Dublin haven't looked at all comfortable in those games against Tyrone, they have had to play the game on our terms, they don't like that. See Gavin's rattled interview and barbed comments on our style of football after.
We know how Kerry and Mayo have fared against Dublin over the past few years, we just don't know about Tyrone yet.
You seem a bit defensive about that notion though.
Yeah, we do. This decade, Tyrone have not made it past the semi final stage of the AI championship. In knock out games, they have failed to beat the 2 counties (Mayo and Kerry) that Dublin have beaten consistantly. So what does that tell us? It tells us that Tyrone are not as good as Mayo and Kerry are. The reason why we do not know how good Tyrone would do against Dublin, is because they have not (yet) been good enough to reach the stage of the championship, where they would actually play Dublin.
This particular Tyrone side have only been around the guts of 2 years.
McShane, Bradley, Meyler, C McCann, McNulty, R Donnelly, R Brennan all debuted in 2015.
Sludden, K McGeary, Munroe, Burns, L Brennan, Hampsey made their debuts in 2016.
The likes of McCann, McNamee and McNabb only really became regulars in 2015 too.
So it's very premature to write them off as the bulk of the side are only on the road a couple of years and have plenty of scope and time to improve.
And we do not know how they will do against Dublin come the championship in summer, despite your protestations otherwise. There is no formline there where as there is with Kerry and Mayo the known vs the unknown.
Tyrone can get the ball and proceed with it towards the opposition goal and they can run like the Duracell Bunny and harry and handpass indefinitely but they can't score enough.
It reminds me of a line from John Updike
"So many emergencies, Harry thinks, so much canned laughter, so many actors' tears, all this effort to be happy, to be brave, to be loved, all this wasted effort"
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 18, 2017, 08:49:06 AM
So it's very premature to write them off as the bulk of the side are only on the road a couple of years and have plenty of scope and time to improve.
The thing is that you can generally tell after a couple of games which forwards look like they have the it factor to be a consistent top intercounty forward.
None of the Tyrone lads tried so far out of the newcomers look to have the "it" to be a consistent top forward from the games I've seen.
Tyrone might get lucky in a one-off game but I think far likely is they will be bloody hard to beat and dangerous to the top teams but I don't see a Sam in this team any time soon.
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 18, 2017, 08:49:06 AM
So it's very premature to write them off as the bulk of the side are only on the road a couple of years and have plenty of scope and time to improve.
The thing is that you can generally tell after a couple of games which forwards look like they have the it factor to be a consistent top intercounty forward.
None of the Tyrone lads tried so far out of the newcomers look to have the "it" to be a consistent top forward from the games I've seen.
Tyrone might get lucky in a one-off game but I think far likely is they will be bloody hard to beat and dangerous to the top teams but I don't see a Sam in this team any time soon.
Agree with that. They have similar problems to Mayo. They have enough strength to get to the top table. Just not enough to cross the line (yet). Then again a good draw and you are in an AI final and in a one off game anything can happen.
I think a lot depends on how well we use Sean Cavanagh this year. Of course he's not the amazing player he was a few years ago but I just feel we aren't getting enough scores out of him. If we played him a lot more like Kerry use Geaney or Donaghy where he stayed in the scoring range. Too often he's down in our own defence like last Sat night.
He's one of our best kickers of long range points but I feel he doesn't even take on as many shots as he used. We used to say he was too greedy but he's gone a bit like Canavan in his older years and lays a lot of scores off to younger lads.
With him confirming this will be his last year it would be great to see him having an all-star year but getting him to stay on the end of the square is the problem.
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 18, 2017, 08:49:06 AM
So it's very premature to write them off as the bulk of the side are only on the road a couple of years and have plenty of scope and time to improve.
The thing is that you can generally tell after a couple of games which forwards look like they have the it factor to be a consistent top intercounty forward.
None of the Tyrone lads tried so far out of the newcomers look to have the "it" to be a consistent top forward from the games I've seen.
Tyrone might get lucky in a one-off game but I think far likely is they will be bloody hard to beat and dangerous to the top teams but I don't see a Sam in this team any time soon.
Would Harte, Donnelly and Sludden not be considered top class forwards? The quality is there, just trying to get a system that gets them on the ball in scoring positions is where we are still work in progress.
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 18, 2017, 08:49:06 AM
So it's very premature to write them off as the bulk of the side are only on the road a couple of years and have plenty of scope and time to improve.
The thing is that you can generally tell after a couple of games which forwards look like they have the it factor to be a consistent top intercounty forward.
None of the Tyrone lads tried so far out of the newcomers look to have the "it" to be a consistent top forward from the games I've seen.
Tyrone might get lucky in a one-off game but I think far likely is they will be bloody hard to beat and dangerous to the top teams but I don't see a Sam in this team any time soon.
Peter Harte has been on the Tyrone panel for about 8 years now. I think it was 2015 when he really started to show his true worth on a consistent basis. Donnelly started to show his in the same years, they were both shunted about positionally for a while which didn't help.
Sometimes it just takes players a long time to settle in, I remember Bernard Brogan really struggling in his initial years with Dublin, he spent a fair chunk of time on the bench in a pretty mediocre Dublin side.
I think Bradley has the ability to really kick on this year and he could possibly show himself as a top class performer but that remains to be seen. How long did it take Conor McManus to really announce himself on the county stage? 2013? He's about 30 now so the first time people really back to take note of him he was about 26?
There's plenty of examples of players who take some time to adapt to county level and show their true worth, some never even do. It's very premature to write off the likes of McCurry (24 this year) and Bradley (23 this year) I feel, they have it all to prove yet and it's a big summer for them but I think they have the potential in them, whether they can get it out of themselves, who knows?
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 18, 2017, 08:49:06 AM
So it's very premature to write them off as the bulk of the side are only on the road a couple of years and have plenty of scope and time to improve.
The thing is that you can generally tell after a couple of games which forwards look like they have the it factor to be a consistent top intercounty forward.
None of the Tyrone lads tried so far out of the newcomers look to have the "it" to be a consistent top forward from the games I've seen.
Tyrone might get lucky in a one-off game but I think far likely is they will be bloody hard to beat and dangerous to the top teams but I don't see a Sam in this team any time soon.
Would Harte, Donnelly and Sludden not be considered top class forwards? The quality is there, just trying to get a system that gets them on the ball in scoring positions is where we are still work in progress.
I think Harte and Donnelly spend too far away from goal to be considered top class forwards (and for me Harte was the best most consistent footballer player in Ireland in 2016)
Sludden I haven't see a huge amount of but he strikes me as a point a game player. Like the other two he seems to play too far away from goals most of the time.
Maybe if all 3 of these were played in the full-forward line you could make a case for them being top -class forwards (as against that the closer marking might well make them less effective)
The thing is I don't see any chance for a radical change of style from Tyrone that's going to improve things in terms of adopting "a system that gets them on the ball in scoring positions" more.
You can't just bolt an attack onto a team where the over-riding instinct is the defensive one.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 18, 2017, 08:49:06 AM
This particular Tyrone side have only been around the guts of 2 years.
McShane, Bradley, Meyler, C McCann, McNulty, R Donnelly, R Brennan all debuted in 2015.
Sludden, K McGeary, Munroe, Burns, L Brennan, Hampsey made their debuts in 2016.
The likes of McCann, McNamee and McNabb only really became regulars in 2015 too.
So it's very premature to write them off as the bulk of the side are only on the road a couple of years and have plenty of scope and time to improve.
And we do not know how they will do against Dublin come the championship in summer, despite your protestations otherwise. There is no formline there where as there is with Kerry and Mayo the known vs the unknown.
No, but I can make a pretty educated guess, based on the fact that they have not been able to beat the 2 counties, that Dublin beat every year, of late. I am not protesting anything, nor am I writing anyone off. I am merely going on the factual evidence from the scoreboard at the end of championship games in Croke Park. If Tyrone meet Dublin this year and they beat them, then fair play to them, but there is no great mystery as to why they haven't played each other yet in the championship - Tyrone just haven't been good enough to make it that far.
To date. Maybe that will change this summer. Who knows really?
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 18, 2017, 08:49:06 AM
This particular Tyrone side have only been around the guts of 2 years.
McShane, Bradley, Meyler, C McCann, McNulty, R Donnelly, R Brennan all debuted in 2015.
Sludden, K McGeary, Munroe, Burns, L Brennan, Hampsey made their debuts in 2016.
The likes of McCann, McNamee and McNabb only really became regulars in 2015 too.
So it's very premature to write them off as the bulk of the side are only on the road a couple of years and have plenty of scope and time to improve.
And we do not know how they will do against Dublin come the championship in summer, despite your protestations otherwise. There is no formline there where as there is with Kerry and Mayo the known vs the unknown.
No, but I can make a pretty educated guess, based on the fact that they have not been able to beat the 2 counties, that Dublin beat every year, of late. I am not protesting anything, nor am I writing anyone off. I am merely going on the factual evidence from the scoreboard at the end of championship games in Croke Park. If Tyrone meet Dublin this year and they beat them, then fair play to them, but there is no great mystery as to why they haven't played each other yet in the championship - Tyrone just haven't been good enough to make it that far. To date. Maybe that will change this summer. Who knows really?
There is no factual evidence when it comes to Tyrone v Dublin in Championship.
It's the known vs the unknown, we can revert back to factual evidence when it comes to Mayo and Kerry in this regard.
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So it's very premature to write them off as the bulk of the side are only on the road a couple of years and have plenty of scope and time to improve.
The thing is that you can generally tell after a couple of games which forwards look like they have the it factor to be a consistent top intercounty forward.
None of the Tyrone lads tried so far out of the newcomers look to have the "it" to be a consistent top forward from the games I've seen.
Tyrone might get lucky in a one-off game but I think far likely is they will be bloody hard to beat and dangerous to the top teams but I don't see a Sam in this team any time soon.
Agree with that. They have similar problems to Mayo. They have enough strength to get to the top table. Just not enough to cross the line (yet). Then again a good draw and you are in an AI final and in a one off game anything can happen.
Is there anyone other than Dublin that is good enough tho? Everyone else is playing catch up as far as I can see. Mayo, Kerry, Tyrone, Much of a muchness.
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So it's very premature to write them off as the bulk of the side are only on the road a couple of years and have plenty of scope and time to improve.
The thing is that you can generally tell after a couple of games which forwards look like they have the it factor to be a consistent top intercounty forward.
None of the Tyrone lads tried so far out of the newcomers look to have the "it" to be a consistent top forward from the games I've seen.
Tyrone might get lucky in a one-off game but I think far likely is they will be bloody hard to beat and dangerous to the top teams but I don't see a Sam in this team any time soon.
Agree with that. They have similar problems to Mayo. They have enough strength to get to the top table. Just not enough to cross the line (yet). Then again a good draw and you are in an AI final and in a one off game anything can happen.
Is there anyone other than Dublin that is good enough tho? Everyone else is playing catch up as far as I can see. Mayo, Kerry, Tyrone, Much of a muchness.
That's pretty much it! Plus the added advantages that Dublin hold over rural counties makes it even harder for them to catch up! Cest la vie!
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This particular Tyrone side have only been around the guts of 2 years.
McShane, Bradley, Meyler, C McCann, McNulty, R Donnelly, R Brennan all debuted in 2015.
Sludden, K McGeary, Munroe, Burns, L Brennan, Hampsey made their debuts in 2016.
The likes of McCann, McNamee and McNabb only really became regulars in 2015 too.
So it's very premature to write them off as the bulk of the side are only on the road a couple of years and have plenty of scope and time to improve.
And we do not know how they will do against Dublin come the championship in summer, despite your protestations otherwise. There is no formline there where as there is with Kerry and Mayo the known vs the unknown.
No, but I can make a pretty educated guess, based on the fact that they have not been able to beat the 2 counties, that Dublin beat every year, of late. I am not protesting anything, nor am I writing anyone off. I am merely going on the factual evidence from the scoreboard at the end of championship games in Croke Park. If Tyrone meet Dublin this year and they beat them, then fair play to them, but there is no great mystery as to why they haven't played each other yet in the championship - Tyrone just haven't been good enough to make it that far. To date. Maybe that will change this summer. Who knows really?
There is no factual evidence when it comes to Tyrone v Dublin in Championship.
It's the known vs the unknown, we can revert back to factual evidence when it comes to Mayo and Kerry in this regard.
There is no "factual evidence" on how Leitrim, New York or Antrim get on against Dublin either. So I am not rushing to give anyone a free pass to greatness, just because of this factual lack of evidence, Your Honour.
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This particular Tyrone side have only been around the guts of 2 years.
McShane, Bradley, Meyler, C McCann, McNulty, R Donnelly, R Brennan all debuted in 2015.
Sludden, K McGeary, Munroe, Burns, L Brennan, Hampsey made their debuts in 2016.
The likes of McCann, McNamee and McNabb only really became regulars in 2015 too.
So it's very premature to write them off as the bulk of the side are only on the road a couple of years and have plenty of scope and time to improve.
And we do not know how they will do against Dublin come the championship in summer, despite your protestations otherwise. There is no formline there where as there is with Kerry and Mayo the known vs the unknown.
No, but I can make a pretty educated guess, based on the fact that they have not been able to beat the 2 counties, that Dublin beat every year, of late. I am not protesting anything, nor am I writing anyone off. I am merely going on the factual evidence from the scoreboard at the end of championship games in Croke Park. If Tyrone meet Dublin this year and they beat them, then fair play to them, but there is no great mystery as to why they haven't played each other yet in the championship - Tyrone just haven't been good enough to make it that far. To date. Maybe that will change this summer. Who knows really?
There is no factual evidence when it comes to Tyrone v Dublin in Championship.
It's the known vs the unknown, we can revert back to factual evidence when it comes to Mayo and Kerry in this regard.
There is no "factual evidence" on how Leitrim, New York or Antrim get on against Dublin either. So I am not rushing to give anyone a free pass to greatness, just because of this factual lack of evidence, Your Honour.
Not really like for like, Tyrone are a genuine top 4 side and they have caused Dublin problems in their league meetings.
You seem very defensive on the proposition that Tyrone might be the best equipped team to take Dublin.
We know there are three credible threats to Dublin. It's known come championship that Kerry and Dublin have come up short in recent years, it's unknown whether Tyrone would or wouldn't. You seem to trying to validate the unknown as known for some bizarre reason.
I'm not being defensive at all. Nor have I any interest in personalizing this. I'm sticking to the football.
Based on their making the semi finals, for the past few years, Tyrone are definitely in the top 4 teams in the country.
However, as I said before - based on their inability to beat the two teams that Dublin beat consistantly, I do not think that Tyrone are in a better placed position to beat Dublin, than Mayo or Kerry are. If they were, they would be beating the two teams that give Dublin the hardest time. The fact that they aren't, says that they still have work to do imo. The fact that Tyrone yet to play Dublin in September, does not automatically make Tyrone the main contender to beat Dublin in September, based soley on what has happened in the Spring. I put little store in what happens in the Spring overall. In last last years leage, Mayo were hammered by Cork & Kerry were hammered by the Rossies. Where were Cork and Roscommon in August/September?
If you are looking where I think you are looking - Then your faith in Tyrone has put a lot of store in beating (a not as good as 2012 model) Donegal side by a last minute point to win an Ulster title! Winning a Division 2 title and drawing with Dublin in a National League Match.
Some of the Tyrone fans on here remind me of Dublin fans in the mid 2000s. Nowhere near a final for about a decade, but somehow convinced they were genuine contenders.
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I'm not being defensive at all. Nor have I any interest in personalizing this. I'm sticking to the football.
Based on their making the semi finals, for the past few years, Tyrone are definitely in the top 4 teams in the country.
However, as I said before - based on their inability to beat the two teams that Dublin beat consistantly, I do not think that Tyrone are in a better placed position to beat Dublin, than Mayo or Kerry are. If they were, they would be beating the two teams that give Dublin the hardest time. The fact that they aren't, says that they still have work to do imo. The fact that Tyrone yet to play Dublin in September, does not automatically make Tyrone the main contender to beat Dublin in September, based soley on what has happened in the Spring. I put little store in what happens in the Spring overall. In last last years leage, Mayo were hammered by Cork & Kerry were hammered by the Rossies. Where were Cork and Roscommon in August/September?
But that's not an accurate measure. If you look at Ulster over the past three or four years, Tyrone have struggled with Donegal, Donegal have struggled with Monaghan and Monaghan have struggled with Tyrone. You can't make comparisons between two sides based on their records between other sides. Style wide I feel Tyrone are all wrong for Dublin, the only side to beat Dublin I'm a knockout game in Gavin's reign are Donegal and I think Tyrone are the most similar in style to Donegal.
We do know about Kerry and Mayo vs Gavin's Dublin in Championship football, they came up short on 3 occasions each in the last 4 years. Tyrone have it all to prove but their is no form line to suggest they are the side to or aren't the side to tackle Dublin. What we do know is that there's a form line to say neither Dublin or Kerry are - that's the known. Tyrone are the unknown.
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If you are looking where I think you are looking - Then your faith in Tyrone has put a lot of store in beating (a not as good as 2012 model) Donegal side by a last minute point to win an Ulster title! Winning a Division 2 title and drawing with Dublin in a National League Match.
Where would the Mayo confidence stem from? They have failed to beat Kerry under Fitzmaurice and Dublin under Gavin in Championship football. They haven't won an All Ireland in 50 years plus.
Going by some of the bluster from the Dub fans on here, it looks like the supplies of EPO have been handed out to the supporters as well. ::)
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This particular Tyrone side have only been around the guts of 2 years.
McShane, Bradley, Meyler, C McCann, McNulty, R Donnelly, R Brennan all debuted in 2015.
Sludden, K McGeary, Munroe, Burns, L Brennan, Hampsey made their debuts in 2016.
The likes of McCann, McNamee and McNabb only really became regulars in 2015 too.
So it's very premature to write them off as the bulk of the side are only on the road a couple of years and have plenty of scope and time to improve.
And we do not know how they will do against Dublin come the championship in summer, despite your protestations otherwise. There is no formline there where as there is with Kerry and Mayo the known vs the unknown.
No, but I can make a pretty educated guess, based on the fact that they have not been able to beat the 2 counties, that Dublin beat every year, of late. I am not protesting anything, nor am I writing anyone off. I am merely going on the factual evidence from the scoreboard at the end of championship games in Croke Park. If Tyrone meet Dublin this year and they beat them, then fair play to them, but there is no great mystery as to why they haven't played each other yet in the championship - Tyrone just haven't been good enough to make it that far. To date. Maybe that will change this summer. Who knows really?
There is no factual evidence when it comes to Tyrone v Dublin in Championship.
It's the known vs the unknown, we can revert back to factual evidence when it comes to Mayo and Kerry in this regard.
There is no "factual evidence" on how Leitrim, New York or Antrim get on against Dublin either. So I am not rushing to give anyone a free pass to greatness, just because of this factual lack of evidence, Your Honour.
Not really like for like, Tyrone are a genuine top 4 side and they have caused Dublin problems in their league meetings.
You seem very defensive on the proposition that Tyrone might be the best equipped team to take Dublin.
We know there are three credible threats to Dublin. It's known come championship that Kerry and Dublin have come up short in recent years, it's unknown whether Tyrone would or wouldn't. You seem to trying to validate the unknown as known for some bizarre reason.
Are Tyrone a genuine top 4 side?
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 18, 2017, 08:49:06 AM
This particular Tyrone side have only been around the guts of 2 years.
McShane, Bradley, Meyler, C McCann, McNulty, R Donnelly, R Brennan all debuted in 2015.
Sludden, K McGeary, Munroe, Burns, L Brennan, Hampsey made their debuts in 2016.
The likes of McCann, McNamee and McNabb only really became regulars in 2015 too.
So it's very premature to write them off as the bulk of the side are only on the road a couple of years and have plenty of scope and time to improve.
And we do not know how they will do against Dublin come the championship in summer, despite your protestations otherwise. There is no formline there where as there is with Kerry and Mayo the known vs the unknown.
No, but I can make a pretty educated guess, based on the fact that they have not been able to beat the 2 counties, that Dublin beat every year, of late. I am not protesting anything, nor am I writing anyone off. I am merely going on the factual evidence from the scoreboard at the end of championship games in Croke Park. If Tyrone meet Dublin this year and they beat them, then fair play to them, but there is no great mystery as to why they haven't played each other yet in the championship - Tyrone just haven't been good enough to make it that far. To date. Maybe that will change this summer. Who knows really?
There is no factual evidence when it comes to Tyrone v Dublin in Championship.
It's the known vs the unknown, we can revert back to factual evidence when it comes to Mayo and Kerry in this regard.
There is no "factual evidence" on how Leitrim, New York or Antrim get on against Dublin either. So I am not rushing to give anyone a free pass to greatness, just because of this factual lack of evidence, Your Honour.
Not really like for like, Tyrone are a genuine top 4 side and they have caused Dublin problems in their league meetings.
You seem very defensive on the proposition that Tyrone might be the best equipped team to take Dublin.
We know there are three credible threats to Dublin. It's known come championship that Kerry and Dublin have come up short in recent years, it's unknown whether Tyrone would or wouldn't. You seem to trying to validate the unknown as known for some bizarre reason.
Are Tyrone a genuine top 4 side?
Nope.
1. Dublin
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2. Mayo
3. Kerry
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4. Logjam
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This particular Tyrone side have only been around the guts of 2 years.
McShane, Bradley, Meyler, C McCann, McNulty, R Donnelly, R Brennan all debuted in 2015.
Sludden, K McGeary, Munroe, Burns, L Brennan, Hampsey made their debuts in 2016.
The likes of McCann, McNamee and McNabb only really became regulars in 2015 too.
So it's very premature to write them off as the bulk of the side are only on the road a couple of years and have plenty of scope and time to improve.
And we do not know how they will do against Dublin come the championship in summer, despite your protestations otherwise. There is no formline there where as there is with Kerry and Mayo the known vs the unknown.
No, but I can make a pretty educated guess, based on the fact that they have not been able to beat the 2 counties, that Dublin beat every year, of late. I am not protesting anything, nor am I writing anyone off. I am merely going on the factual evidence from the scoreboard at the end of championship games in Croke Park. If Tyrone meet Dublin this year and they beat them, then fair play to them, but there is no great mystery as to why they haven't played each other yet in the championship - Tyrone just haven't been good enough to make it that far. To date. Maybe that will change this summer. Who knows really?
There is no factual evidence when it comes to Tyrone v Dublin in Championship.
It's the known vs the unknown, we can revert back to factual evidence when it comes to Mayo and Kerry in this regard.
There is no "factual evidence" on how Leitrim, New York or Antrim get on against Dublin either. So I am not rushing to give anyone a free pass to greatness, just because of this factual lack of evidence, Your Honour.
Not really like for like, Tyrone are a genuine top 4 side and they have caused Dublin problems in their league meetings.
You seem very defensive on the proposition that Tyrone might be the best equipped team to take Dublin.
We know there are three credible threats to Dublin. It's known come championship that Kerry and Dublin have come up short in recent years, it's unknown whether Tyrone would or wouldn't. You seem to trying to validate the unknown as known for some bizarre reason.
Are Tyrone a genuine top 4 side?
Yes.
The top two are Kerry and Dublin and that will stay the same way until Mayo end their long championship wait for win against Kerry. Tyrone have leapfrogged Donegal into fourth as Donegal are now in transition, in a year or two they could leapfrog Mayo into third postion if Mayo go into transition.
Top 4 side - absolutely.
And we are improving all the time as witnessed last week.
I would go so far as to say we will be top 2 come September.
God willing we will hold Sam aloft and be number 1 again 8)
Jesus, top 2, top 3, top 4, top 5....who cares? It's like two bald men arguing over a comb. At the end of the year, you are either the All Ireland champions, the best team in the country....or you're not. If you're not, you are just making up the numbers. That's all.
Does any one in Kerry or Kilkenny really care if they are considered to be the top 2, 3 or 5 team in the county? They don't. They are either number 1. Or nothing. If you are a Leitrim or a Carlow or a Roscommon ( ;) ) then yeah, it's great to crack the top 8 teams in the country, by making it to Division 1, or the AI quarter finals, or some other quantifiable measure of progress. If you are a genuine contender, you are either an All Ireland champion or you aren't. Everything else is just a number.
Right now, that is Dublin. It may be them again in 2017. But they'll fall back into the chasing pack soon enough, when Cluxton retires, Gavin steps down etc etc....and the whole merry go round will start all over again.
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Right now, that is Dublin. It may be them again in 2017. But they'll fall back into the chasing pack soon enough, when Cluxton retires, Gavin steps down etc etc....and the whole merry go round will start all over again.
Probably not the thread for it but how good do people consider Gavin to be? For me, he's good but not brilliant. He runs a professional setup and obviously his record is exceptional but apart from the defeat to Donegal, his team have had a few very close shaves - kerry & Mayo last year, Mayo the year before, Kerry & Mayo in 2013. Although he won all those games, I think that with the players he has at his disposal (if they're as good as they're considered and I think they probably are), he should be winning with a bit more comfort.
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Jesus, top 2, top 3, top 4, top 5....who cares? It's like two bald men arguing over a comb. At the end of the year, you are either the All Ireland champions, the best team in the country....or you're not. If you're not, you are just making up the numbers. That's all.
An odd departure from you given that you have spent the past few pages defending the order of merit when it comes to challenging Dublin.
I'm just a humble spectator. I'll talk about anything when I'm bored. Go talk to a Kerry or Kilkenny player. I doubt if any of them really care whether they are deemed to be in the top 2, 3 or 4 teams in the country. No 1 is all that matters to them. If they made it to the final, then yeah, there'd be a sense of satisfaction from winning their semi final, especially if they beat one of their main rivals along the way, but I doubt if they'd really care if anyone considers them to be 2, 3 or 4 in the pecking order. They aren't number 1 and that is all that matters. To them !
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I'm just a humble spectator. I'll talk about anything when I'm bored. Go talk to a Kerry or Kilkenny player. I doubt if any of them really care whether they are deemed to be in the top 2, 3 or 4 teams in the country...
But they're the (current) exceptions that prove the rule, surely? They're so accustomed to being, and having recently been, habitual number 1s that they'll quite naturally not be interested in anything but that pinnacle once again. It's a different story when you've been occupying rungs further down the ladder for years, or even forever -- then each incremental on that ladder will assume a significance for the team on the climb, and 4 is probably about right for ourselves right now, on our long path back to dominance once again. ;) :)
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This particular Tyrone side have only been around the guts of 2 years.
McShane, Bradley, Meyler, C McCann, McNulty, R Donnelly, R Brennan all debuted in 2015.
Sludden, K McGeary, Munroe, Burns, L Brennan, Hampsey made their debuts in 2016.
The likes of McCann, McNamee and McNabb only really became regulars in 2015 too.
So it's very premature to write them off as the bulk of the side are only on the road a couple of years and have plenty of scope and time to improve.
And we do not know how they will do against Dublin come the championship in summer, despite your protestations otherwise. There is no formline there where as there is with Kerry and Mayo the known vs the unknown.
No, but I can make a pretty educated guess, based on the fact that they have not been able to beat the 2 counties, that Dublin beat every year, of late. I am not protesting anything, nor am I writing anyone off. I am merely going on the factual evidence from the scoreboard at the end of championship games in Croke Park. If Tyrone meet Dublin this year and they beat them, then fair play to them, but there is no great mystery as to why they haven't played each other yet in the championship - Tyrone just haven't been good enough to make it that far. To date. Maybe that will change this summer. Who knows really?
There is no factual evidence when it comes to Tyrone v Dublin in Championship.
It's the known vs the unknown, we can revert back to factual evidence when it comes to Mayo and Kerry in this regard.
There is no "factual evidence" on how Leitrim, New York or Antrim get on against Dublin either. So I am not rushing to give anyone a free pass to greatness, just because of this factual lack of evidence, Your Honour.
Not really like for like, Tyrone are a genuine top 4 side and they have caused Dublin problems in their league meetings.
You seem very defensive on the proposition that Tyrone might be the best equipped team to take Dublin.
We know there are three credible threats to Dublin. It's known come championship that Kerry and Dublin have come up short in recent years, it's unknown whether Tyrone would or wouldn't. You seem to trying to validate the unknown as known for some bizarre reason.
Are Tyrone a genuine top 4 side?
Yes.
Based on what?
Quarter final last year.
Well beat in semi final the year before
Beat in round 2B in 2014
Doesn't really shout genuine too 4 team to me
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This particular Tyrone side have only been around the guts of 2 years.
McShane, Bradley, Meyler, C McCann, McNulty, R Donnelly, R Brennan all debuted in 2015.
Sludden, K McGeary, Munroe, Burns, L Brennan, Hampsey made their debuts in 2016.
The likes of McCann, McNamee and McNabb only really became regulars in 2015 too.
So it's very premature to write them off as the bulk of the side are only on the road a couple of years and have plenty of scope and time to improve.
And we do not know how they will do against Dublin come the championship in summer, despite your protestations otherwise. There is no formline there where as there is with Kerry and Mayo the known vs the unknown.
No, but I can make a pretty educated guess, based on the fact that they have not been able to beat the 2 counties, that Dublin beat every year, of late. I am not protesting anything, nor am I writing anyone off. I am merely going on the factual evidence from the scoreboard at the end of championship games in Croke Park. If Tyrone meet Dublin this year and they beat them, then fair play to them, but there is no great mystery as to why they haven't played each other yet in the championship - Tyrone just haven't been good enough to make it that far. To date. Maybe that will change this summer. Who knows really?
There is no factual evidence when it comes to Tyrone v Dublin in Championship.
It's the known vs the unknown, we can revert back to factual evidence when it comes to Mayo and Kerry in this regard.
There is no "factual evidence" on how Leitrim, New York or Antrim get on against Dublin either. So I am not rushing to give anyone a free pass to greatness, just because of this factual lack of evidence, Your Honour.
Not really like for like, Tyrone are a genuine top 4 side and they have caused Dublin problems in their league meetings.
You seem very defensive on the proposition that Tyrone might be the best equipped team to take Dublin.
We know there are three credible threats to Dublin. It's known come championship that Kerry and Dublin have come up short in recent years, it's unknown whether Tyrone would or wouldn't. You seem to trying to validate the unknown as known for some bizarre reason.
Are Tyrone a genuine top 4 side?
Yes.
Based on what?
Quarter final last year.
Well beat in semi final the year before
Beat in round 2B in 2014
Doesn't really shout genuine too 4 team to me
You have a bizarre logic of well beaten. I have much more regret about the Kerry defeat in 2015 than the Mayo defeat last year, I think we got what we deserved last year although it could easily have been different but I think Mayo were the slightly better team on the day. In 2015 we had a plethora of chances, passed up about 4 goals, had McNamee wrongly black carded, Kerry had Enright stay on the pitch after a blatant black card offence, missed a host of frees, should have had a penalty near the end and the game was level with about 6 minutes to go. That was a game we absolutely should have won but left it behind, we opened Kerry at will but just weren't clinical enough.
It's pointless comparing the Tyrone side of 2014 to that of 2015 and 2016. The personnel has vastly changed, O'Neill, Gormley, Penrose, Donnelly, the 2 McKennas, Lavery, Cassidy, Coney, McGuigan, Quinn, McGinley and a few more were all gone off the panel after 2014. They squad saw major upheaval and a completely different focus on the style of football deployed. I think it shows the fear you have of what Tyrone could do when you are giving such disingenuous narratives of matters.
I will savour you fear.
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This particular Tyrone side have only been around the guts of 2 years.
McShane, Bradley, Meyler, C McCann, McNulty, R Donnelly, R Brennan all debuted in 2015.
Sludden, K McGeary, Munroe, Burns, L Brennan, Hampsey made their debuts in 2016.
The likes of McCann, McNamee and McNabb only really became regulars in 2015 too.
So it's very premature to write them off as the bulk of the side are only on the road a couple of years and have plenty of scope and time to improve.
And we do not know how they will do against Dublin come the championship in summer, despite your protestations otherwise. There is no formline there where as there is with Kerry and Mayo the known vs the unknown.
No, but I can make a pretty educated guess, based on the fact that they have not been able to beat the 2 counties, that Dublin beat every year, of late. I am not protesting anything, nor am I writing anyone off. I am merely going on the factual evidence from the scoreboard at the end of championship games in Croke Park. If Tyrone meet Dublin this year and they beat them, then fair play to them, but there is no great mystery as to why they haven't played each other yet in the championship - Tyrone just haven't been good enough to make it that far. To date. Maybe that will change this summer. Who knows really?
There is no factual evidence when it comes to Tyrone v Dublin in Championship.
It's the known vs the unknown, we can revert back to factual evidence when it comes to Mayo and Kerry in this regard.
There is no "factual evidence" on how Leitrim, New York or Antrim get on against Dublin either. So I am not rushing to give anyone a free pass to greatness, just because of this factual lack of evidence, Your Honour.
Not really like for like, Tyrone are a genuine top 4 side and they have caused Dublin problems in their league meetings.
You seem very defensive on the proposition that Tyrone might be the best equipped team to take Dublin.
We know there are three credible threats to Dublin. It's known come championship that Kerry and Dublin have come up short in recent years, it's unknown whether Tyrone would or wouldn't. You seem to trying to validate the unknown as known for some bizarre reason.
Are Tyrone a genuine top 4 side?
Yes.
Based on what?
Quarter final last year.
Well beat in semi final the year before
Beat in round 2B in 2014
Doesn't really shout genuine too 4 team to me
You have a bizarre logic of well beaten. I have much more regret about the Kerry defeat in 2015 than the Mayo defeat last year, I think we got what we deserved last year although it could easily have been different but I think Mayo were the slightly better team on the day. In 2015 we had a plethora of chances, passed up about 4 goals, had McNamee wrongly black carded, Kerry had Enright stay on the pitch after a blatant black card offence, missed a host of frees, should have had a penalty near the end and the game was level with about 6 minutes to go. That was a game we absolutely should have won but left it behind, we opened Kerry at will but just weren't clinical enough.
It's pointless comparing the Tyrone side of 2014 to that of 2015 and 2016. The personnel has vastly changed, O'Neill, Gormley, Penrose, Donnelly, the 2 McKennas, Lavery, Cassidy, Coney, McGuigan, Quinn, McGinley and a few more were all gone off the panel after 2014. They squad saw major upheaval and a completely different focus on the style of football deployed. I think it shows the fear you have of what Tyrone could do when you are giving such disingenuous narratives of matters.
I will savour you fear.
My fear of what?
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This particular Tyrone side have only been around the guts of 2 years.
McShane, Bradley, Meyler, C McCann, McNulty, R Donnelly, R Brennan all debuted in 2015.
Sludden, K McGeary, Munroe, Burns, L Brennan, Hampsey made their debuts in 2016.
The likes of McCann, McNamee and McNabb only really became regulars in 2015 too.
So it's very premature to write them off as the bulk of the side are only on the road a couple of years and have plenty of scope and time to improve.
And we do not know how they will do against Dublin come the championship in summer, despite your protestations otherwise. There is no formline there where as there is with Kerry and Mayo the known vs the unknown.
No, but I can make a pretty educated guess, based on the fact that they have not been able to beat the 2 counties, that Dublin beat every year, of late. I am not protesting anything, nor am I writing anyone off. I am merely going on the factual evidence from the scoreboard at the end of championship games in Croke Park. If Tyrone meet Dublin this year and they beat them, then fair play to them, but there is no great mystery as to why they haven't played each other yet in the championship - Tyrone just haven't been good enough to make it that far. To date. Maybe that will change this summer. Who knows really?
There is no factual evidence when it comes to Tyrone v Dublin in Championship.
It's the known vs the unknown, we can revert back to factual evidence when it comes to Mayo and Kerry in this regard.
There is no "factual evidence" on how Leitrim, New York or Antrim get on against Dublin either. So I am not rushing to give anyone a free pass to greatness, just because of this factual lack of evidence, Your Honour.
Not really like for like, Tyrone are a genuine top 4 side and they have caused Dublin problems in their league meetings.
You seem very defensive on the proposition that Tyrone might be the best equipped team to take Dublin.
We know there are three credible threats to Dublin. It's known come championship that Kerry and Dublin have come up short in recent years, it's unknown whether Tyrone would or wouldn't. You seem to trying to validate the unknown as known for some bizarre reason.
Are Tyrone a genuine top 4 side?
Yes.
Based on what?
Quarter final last year.
Well beat in semi final the year before
Beat in round 2B in 2014
Doesn't really shout genuine too 4 team to me
You have a bizarre logic of well beaten. I have much more regret about the Kerry defeat in 2015 than the Mayo defeat last year, I think we got what we deserved last year although it could easily have been different but I think Mayo were the slightly better team on the day. In 2015 we had a plethora of chances, passed up about 4 goals, had McNamee wrongly black carded, Kerry had Enright stay on the pitch after a blatant black card offence, missed a host of frees, should have had a penalty near the end and the game was level with about 6 minutes to go. That was a game we absolutely should have won but left it behind, we opened Kerry at will but just weren't clinical enough.
It's pointless comparing the Tyrone side of 2014 to that of 2015 and 2016. The personnel has vastly changed, O'Neill, Gormley, Penrose, Donnelly, the 2 McKennas, Lavery, Cassidy, Coney, McGuigan, Quinn, McGinley and a few more were all gone off the panel after 2014. They squad saw major upheaval and a completely different focus on the style of football deployed. I think it shows the fear you have of what Tyrone could do when you are giving such disingenuous narratives of matters.
I will savour you fear.
My fear of what?
Tyrone winning the AI this year.
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This particular Tyrone side have only been around the guts of 2 years.
McShane, Bradley, Meyler, C McCann, McNulty, R Donnelly, R Brennan all debuted in 2015.
Sludden, K McGeary, Munroe, Burns, L Brennan, Hampsey made their debuts in 2016.
The likes of McCann, McNamee and McNabb only really became regulars in 2015 too.
So it's very premature to write them off as the bulk of the side are only on the road a couple of years and have plenty of scope and time to improve.
And we do not know how they will do against Dublin come the championship in summer, despite your protestations otherwise. There is no formline there where as there is with Kerry and Mayo the known vs the unknown.
No, but I can make a pretty educated guess, based on the fact that they have not been able to beat the 2 counties, that Dublin beat every year, of late. I am not protesting anything, nor am I writing anyone off. I am merely going on the factual evidence from the scoreboard at the end of championship games in Croke Park. If Tyrone meet Dublin this year and they beat them, then fair play to them, but there is no great mystery as to why they haven't played each other yet in the championship - Tyrone just haven't been good enough to make it that far. To date. Maybe that will change this summer. Who knows really?
There is no factual evidence when it comes to Tyrone v Dublin in Championship.
It's the known vs the unknown, we can revert back to factual evidence when it comes to Mayo and Kerry in this regard.
There is no "factual evidence" on how Leitrim, New York or Antrim get on against Dublin either. So I am not rushing to give anyone a free pass to greatness, just because of this factual lack of evidence, Your Honour.
Not really like for like, Tyrone are a genuine top 4 side and they have caused Dublin problems in their league meetings.
You seem very defensive on the proposition that Tyrone might be the best equipped team to take Dublin.
We know there are three credible threats to Dublin. It's known come championship that Kerry and Dublin have come up short in recent years, it's unknown whether Tyrone would or wouldn't. You seem to trying to validate the unknown as known for some bizarre reason.
Are Tyrone a genuine top 4 side?
Yes.
Based on what?
Quarter final last year.
Well beat in semi final the year before
Beat in round 2B in 2014
Doesn't really shout genuine too 4 team to me
You have a bizarre logic of well beaten. I have much more regret about the Kerry defeat in 2015 than the Mayo defeat last year, I think we got what we deserved last year although it could easily have been different but I think Mayo were the slightly better team on the day. In 2015 we had a plethora of chances, passed up about 4 goals, had McNamee wrongly black carded, Kerry had Enright stay on the pitch after a blatant black card offence, missed a host of frees, should have had a penalty near the end and the game was level with about 6 minutes to go. That was a game we absolutely should have won but left it behind, we opened Kerry at will but just weren't clinical enough.
It's pointless comparing the Tyrone side of 2014 to that of 2015 and 2016. The personnel has vastly changed, O'Neill, Gormley, Penrose, Donnelly, the 2 McKennas, Lavery, Cassidy, Coney, McGuigan, Quinn, McGinley and a few more were all gone off the panel after 2014. They squad saw major upheaval and a completely different focus on the style of football deployed. I think it shows the fear you have of what Tyrone could do when you are giving such disingenuous narratives of matters.
I will savour you fear.
My fear of what?
Tyrone winning the AI this year.
I've no fear of that. It's not going to happen. Not this year anyway. I've a very real fear of my own County not getting out of division three tho.
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This particular Tyrone side have only been around the guts of 2 years.
McShane, Bradley, Meyler, C McCann, McNulty, R Donnelly, R Brennan all debuted in 2015.
Sludden, K McGeary, Munroe, Burns, L Brennan, Hampsey made their debuts in 2016.
The likes of McCann, McNamee and McNabb only really became regulars in 2015 too.
So it's very premature to write them off as the bulk of the side are only on the road a couple of years and have plenty of scope and time to improve.
And we do not know how they will do against Dublin come the championship in summer, despite your protestations otherwise. There is no formline there where as there is with Kerry and Mayo the known vs the unknown.
No, but I can make a pretty educated guess, based on the fact that they have not been able to beat the 2 counties, that Dublin beat every year, of late. I am not protesting anything, nor am I writing anyone off. I am merely going on the factual evidence from the scoreboard at the end of championship games in Croke Park. If Tyrone meet Dublin this year and they beat them, then fair play to them, but there is no great mystery as to why they haven't played each other yet in the championship - Tyrone just haven't been good enough to make it that far. To date. Maybe that will change this summer. Who knows really?
There is no factual evidence when it comes to Tyrone v Dublin in Championship.
It's the known vs the unknown, we can revert back to factual evidence when it comes to Mayo and Kerry in this regard.
There is no "factual evidence" on how Leitrim, New York or Antrim get on against Dublin either. So I am not rushing to give anyone a free pass to greatness, just because of this factual lack of evidence, Your Honour.
Not really like for like, Tyrone are a genuine top 4 side and they have caused Dublin problems in their league meetings.
You seem very defensive on the proposition that Tyrone might be the best equipped team to take Dublin.
We know there are three credible threats to Dublin. It's known come championship that Kerry and Dublin have come up short in recent years, it's unknown whether Tyrone would or wouldn't. You seem to trying to validate the unknown as known for some bizarre reason.
Are Tyrone a genuine top 4 side?
Yes.
Based on what?
Quarter final last year.
Well beat in semi final the year before
Beat in round 2B in 2014
Doesn't really shout genuine too 4 team to me
You have a bizarre logic of well beaten. I have much more regret about the Kerry defeat in 2015 than the Mayo defeat last year, I think we got what we deserved last year although it could easily have been different but I think Mayo were the slightly better team on the day. In 2015 we had a plethora of chances, passed up about 4 goals, had McNamee wrongly black carded, Kerry had Enright stay on the pitch after a blatant black card offence, missed a host of frees, should have had a penalty near the end and the game was level with about 6 minutes to go. That was a game we absolutely should have won but left it behind, we opened Kerry at will but just weren't clinical enough.
It's pointless comparing the Tyrone side of 2014 to that of 2015 and 2016. The personnel has vastly changed, O'Neill, Gormley, Penrose, Donnelly, the 2 McKennas, Lavery, Cassidy, Coney, McGuigan, Quinn, McGinley and a few more were all gone off the panel after 2014. They squad saw major upheaval and a completely different focus on the style of football deployed. I think it shows the fear you have of what Tyrone could do when you are giving such disingenuous narratives of matters.
I will savour you fear.
My fear of what?
Tyrone winning the AI this year.
I've no fear of that. It's not going to happen. Not this year anyway. I've a very real fear of my own County not getting out of division three tho.
Just wanted to add to the quoting.
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This particular Tyrone side have only been around the guts of 2 years.
McShane, Bradley, Meyler, C McCann, McNulty, R Donnelly, R Brennan all debuted in 2015.
Sludden, K McGeary, Munroe, Burns, L Brennan, Hampsey made their debuts in 2016.
The likes of McCann, McNamee and McNabb only really became regulars in 2015 too.
So it's very premature to write them off as the bulk of the side are only on the road a couple of years and have plenty of scope and time to improve.
And we do not know how they will do against Dublin come the championship in summer, despite your protestations otherwise. There is no formline there where as there is with Kerry and Mayo the known vs the unknown.
No, but I can make a pretty educated guess, based on the fact that they have not been able to beat the 2 counties, that Dublin beat every year, of late. I am not protesting anything, nor am I writing anyone off. I am merely going on the factual evidence from the scoreboard at the end of championship games in Croke Park. If Tyrone meet Dublin this year and they beat them, then fair play to them, but there is no great mystery as to why they haven't played each other yet in the championship - Tyrone just haven't been good enough to make it that far. To date. Maybe that will change this summer. Who knows really?
There is no factual evidence when it comes to Tyrone v Dublin in Championship.
It's the known vs the unknown, we can revert back to factual evidence when it comes to Mayo and Kerry in this regard.
There is no "factual evidence" on how Leitrim, New York or Antrim get on against Dublin either. So I am not rushing to give anyone a free pass to greatness, just because of this factual lack of evidence, Your Honour.
Not really like for like, Tyrone are a genuine top 4 side and they have caused Dublin problems in their league meetings.
You seem very defensive on the proposition that Tyrone might be the best equipped team to take Dublin.
We know there are three credible threats to Dublin. It's known come championship that Kerry and Dublin have come up short in recent years, it's unknown whether Tyrone would or wouldn't. You seem to trying to validate the unknown as known for some bizarre reason.
Are Tyrone a genuine top 4 side?
Yes.
Based on what?
Quarter final last year.
Well beat in semi final the year before
Beat in round 2B in 2014
Doesn't really shout genuine too 4 team to me
You have a bizarre logic of well beaten. I have much more regret about the Kerry defeat in 2015 than the Mayo defeat last year, I think we got what we deserved last year although it could easily have been different but I think Mayo were the slightly better team on the day. In 2015 we had a plethora of chances, passed up about 4 goals, had McNamee wrongly black carded, Kerry had Enright stay on the pitch after a blatant black card offence, missed a host of frees, should have had a penalty near the end and the game was level with about 6 minutes to go. That was a game we absolutely should have won but left it behind, we opened Kerry at will but just weren't clinical enough.
It's pointless comparing the Tyrone side of 2014 to that of 2015 and 2016. The personnel has vastly changed, O'Neill, Gormley, Penrose, Donnelly, the 2 McKennas, Lavery, Cassidy, Coney, McGuigan, Quinn, McGinley and a few more were all gone off the panel after 2014. They squad saw major upheaval and a completely different focus on the style of football deployed. I think it shows the fear you have of what Tyrone could do when you are giving such disingenuous narratives of matters.
I will savour you fear.
My fear of what?
Tyrone winning the AI this year.
I've no fear of that. It's not going to happen. Not this year anyway. I've a very real fear of my own County not getting out of division three tho.
Just wanted to add to the quoting.
Stop taking the piss. You're ruining the whole page.
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 18, 2017, 08:49:06 AM
This particular Tyrone side have only been around the guts of 2 years.
McShane, Bradley, Meyler, C McCann, McNulty, R Donnelly, R Brennan all debuted in 2015.
Sludden, K McGeary, Munroe, Burns, L Brennan, Hampsey made their debuts in 2016.
The likes of McCann, McNamee and McNabb only really became regulars in 2015 too.
So it's very premature to write them off as the bulk of the side are only on the road a couple of years and have plenty of scope and time to improve.
And we do not know how they will do against Dublin come the championship in summer, despite your protestations otherwise. There is no formline there where as there is with Kerry and Mayo the known vs the unknown.
No, but I can make a pretty educated guess, based on the fact that they have not been able to beat the 2 counties, that Dublin beat every year, of late. I am not protesting anything, nor am I writing anyone off. I am merely going on the factual evidence from the scoreboard at the end of championship games in Croke Park. If Tyrone meet Dublin this year and they beat them, then fair play to them, but there is no great mystery as to why they haven't played each other yet in the championship - Tyrone just haven't been good enough to make it that far. To date. Maybe that will change this summer. Who knows really?
There is no factual evidence when it comes to Tyrone v Dublin in Championship.
It's the known vs the unknown, we can revert back to factual evidence when it comes to Mayo and Kerry in this regard.
There is no "factual evidence" on how Leitrim, New York or Antrim get on against Dublin either. So I am not rushing to give anyone a free pass to greatness, just because of this factual lack of evidence, Your Honour.
Not really like for like, Tyrone are a genuine top 4 side and they have caused Dublin problems in their league meetings.
You seem very defensive on the proposition that Tyrone might be the best equipped team to take Dublin.
We know there are three credible threats to Dublin. It's known come championship that Kerry and Dublin have come up short in recent years, it's unknown whether Tyrone would or wouldn't. You seem to trying to validate the unknown as known for some bizarre reason.
Are Tyrone a genuine top 4 side?
Yes.
Based on what?
Quarter final last year.
Well beat in semi final the year before
Beat in round 2B in 2014
Doesn't really shout genuine too 4 team to me
You have a bizarre logic of well beaten. I have much more regret about the Kerry defeat in 2015 than the Mayo defeat last year, I think we got what we deserved last year although it could easily have been different but I think Mayo were the slightly better team on the day. In 2015 we had a plethora of chances, passed up about 4 goals, had McNamee wrongly black carded, Kerry had Enright stay on the pitch after a blatant black card offence, missed a host of frees, should have had a penalty near the end and the game was level with about 6 minutes to go. That was a game we absolutely should have won but left it behind, we opened Kerry at will but just weren't clinical enough.
It's pointless comparing the Tyrone side of 2014 to that of 2015 and 2016. The personnel has vastly changed, O'Neill, Gormley, Penrose, Donnelly, the 2 McKennas, Lavery, Cassidy, Coney, McGuigan, Quinn, McGinley and a few more were all gone off the panel after 2014. They squad saw major upheaval and a completely different focus on the style of football deployed. I think it shows the fear you have of what Tyrone could do when you are giving such disingenuous narratives of matters.
I will savour you fear.
My fear of what?
Tyrone winning the AI this year.
I've no fear of that. It's not going to happen. Not this year anyway. I've a very real fear of my own County not getting out of division three tho.
Fear not. Armagh will most likely get out of Div 3 but not by going upwards tho.... ;)
Quote from: hardstation on February 26, 2017, 03:44:39 PM
Must be Donegal's year too.
It does add further weight to the argument that this Dublin team struggles against the Donegal and Tyrone style though!
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Quote from: hardstation on February 26, 2017, 03:44:39 PM
Must be Donegal's year too.
It does add further weight to the argument that this Dublin team struggles against the Donegal and Tyrone style though!
And Mayo as they can't beat them either on the first day! :P
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Quote from: hardstation on February 26, 2017, 03:44:39 PM
Must be Donegal's year too.
It does add further weight to the argument that this Dublin team struggles against the Donegal and Tyrone style though!
And Mayo as they can't beat them either on the first day! :P
No, it's all the money Mayo spend on their preparation that enables them to be competitive! 😜
Dublin had their reserves out tonight, Donegal's point not worth a f**k! ;)
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 26, 2017, 10:45:16 PM
Dublin had their reserves out tonight, Donegal's point not worth a f**k! ;)
Not giving much credit to Donegal there - that was a good point for both teams.
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Quote from: omagh_gael on February 26, 2017, 10:45:16 PM
Dublin had their reserves out tonight, Donegal's point not worth a f**k! ;)
Not giving much credit to Donegal there - that was a good point for both teams.
I jest, add in the dirty day/pitch and it was a real lottery. Division 1 actually looking very even this year.