Man Utd Thread:

[Captain Obvious]

One bad season and Moyes is fired, so much for standing by your manager, I wonder how Ferguson is feeling this morning. Moyes didn't look comfortable in the job but I felt he at least deserved another season to put his stamp on the club but the United board have changed tack and they are now back to square one. There are some huge problems ahead at Man Utd such as the Rooney contract and the massive clear out needed. I feel sorry for Moyes as the squad he inherited was probably even worse than he initially had thought. A young progressive coach such as Klopp or Simeone is what is needed now not a quick fix option like a Van Gaal or Mourinho.

In fairness Manchester United would love to be back to square one. The board appointing Moyes and then keeping him on until the season was over has sent them back by decades the structures of the club have to be repaired now and that will take a few years.

[rodney trotter]

Giggs is the only Utd player current or past with the Uefa A Pro licence badge, so temporary interim manager shouldn't be an issue..

I had written a longer post but the board crashed.

Any here goes again.

According to this Guardian article, Giggs only started his 18 months course with Neville last month.

Also here is a selection from the list of UEFA Pro Licence qualified coaches (NB The FA hasn't published a list for the period 2010 - present)

2009
Mike Phelan

2008
Roy Keane

2006
René Meulensteen

2005
Bryan Robson

2004
Mark hughes
Joe Jordan

2003
David Platt

First player while playing I meant to say , anyway this is where i read. Not the full license yet was wrong. 12 months to complete ithttp://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CEYQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2Fsport%2Ffootball%2Fpremier-league%2Fryan-giggs-takes-steps-to-succeed-sir-alex-ferguson-at-manchester-united-8462339.html&ei=DJ5WU82eHczy7Abvk4DYBQ&usg=AFQjCNFdQ4rW9XLCG_3vT5AvVivnaKVfZg&bvm=bv.65177938,d.ZG4

[gawa316]

Good times await. 

Where does this optimism come from? You're definitely a glass half full guy but I think it's filled with a mixture of caprisun and poitin!

[Shrewdness]

The big negative for me about Van Gaal (if he gets the job), is the fact that he can't commit to the job fully until after the World Cup. If there's harmony in the Dutch camp (not always the case), they are usually a good bet to reach the knockout stages. By the time it's all over, he'll be off on a much needed couple of weeks holidays. By the time he's ready to FULLY commit to United, it'll be nearly pre season. Will signings be made in his absence?

[seafoid]

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/e1e6e5d8-ca14-11e3-ac05-00144feabdc0.html

Money buys success in football and several clubs now have more money than United. From 1997 through 2004, United topped the consultancy Deloitte's "rich list" of European football clubs ranked by revenues. In 2012-13, United dropped out of the top three for the first time since Deloitte began compiling the list. Real Madrid, Barcelona and Bayern Munich now have higher revenues. Moreover, Chelsea, Manchester City and Paris Saint-Germain have oil-rich owners who pump money in rather than sucking it out. By the logic of the market that means there are six clubs in Europe more likely to win the Champions League than United.

[Captain Obvious]

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/e1e6e5d8-ca14-11e3-ac05-00144feabdc0.html

Money buys success in football and several clubs now have more money than United. From 1997 through 2004, United topped the consultancy Deloitte's "rich list" of European football clubs ranked by revenues. In 2012-13, United dropped out of the top three for the first time since Deloitte began compiling the list. Real Madrid, Barcelona and Bayern Munich now have higher revenues. Moreover, Chelsea, Manchester City and Paris Saint-Germain have oil-rich owners who pump money in rather than sucking it out. By the logic of the market that means there are six clubs in Europe more likely to win the Champions League than United.

If you aren't in it you can't win it.

[rodney trotter]

One bad season and Moyes is fired, so much for standing by your manager, I wonder how Ferguson is feeling this morning. Moyes didn't look comfortable in the job but I felt he at least deserved another season to put his stamp on the club but the United board have changed tack and they are now back to square one. There are some huge problems ahead at Man Utd such as the Rooney contract and the massive clear out needed. I feel sorry for Moyes as the squad he inherited was probably even worse than he initially had thought. A young progressive coach such as Klopp or Simeone is what is needed now not a quick fix option like a Van Gaal or Mourinho.

In fairness Manchester United would love to be back to square one. The board appointing Moyes and then keeping him on until the season was over has sent them back by decades the structures of the club have to be repaired now and that will take a few years.

Decades? As for the structure, yeah it will be needed to be repaired seeing that Vidic, Evra, Rio, Giggs.are all retiring or leaving at the end of th season. Others like Nani, Anderson, to name a few likelly to go too.

Moyes should have been given a chance to see what he could have done next season with new signings in the summer. but when players weren't even putting in the effort and Rio Ferdinand leaking out crap throughout the season on Twitter , Moyes had no chance.

[Captain Obvious]

Decades? As for the structure, yeah it will be needed to be repaired seeing that Vidic, Evra, Rio, Giggs.are all retiring or leaving at the end of th season. Others like Nani, Anderson, to name a few likelly to go too.

Moyes should have been given a chance to see what he could have done next season with new signings in the summer. but when players weren't even putting in the effort and Rio Ferdinand leaking out crap throughout the season on Twitter , Moyes had no chance.

Its two decades since Manchester United finished outside the top three. The structures is more than just players. The club was too big for David Moyes no amount or time or signings would have changed that.

[gallsman]

Wouldn't disagree that Mata is a top player but was way over priced at £37m considering that they already had Rooney and Kagawa who are similar type players.

Rooney and Mata are nothing alike as players ffs.

[beer baron]

What was Ferdinand putting on twitter? Seen a few people mentioning him?

[rodney trotter]

Decades? As for the structure, yeah it will be needed to be repaired seeing that Vidic, Evra, Rio, Giggs.are all retiring or leaving at the end of th season. Others like Nani, Anderson, to name a few likelly to go too.

Moyes should have been given a chance to see what he could have done next season with new signings in the summer. but when players weren't even putting in the effort and Rio Ferdinand leaking out crap throughout the season on Twitter , Moyes had no chance.

Its two decades since Manchester United finished outside the top three. The structures is more than just players. The club was too big for David Moyes no amount or time or signings would have changed that.

He would have learned it was a huge job over the summer and have been better prepared next season with new signings - not like the the panic deadline day signing last summerup. But it wasn't to be.

Van Gaal will be late taking over since he is with Holland in the WC, hope that hasn't have much effect

[rodney trotter]

Sir Alex Ferguson to have a say on David Moyes's successor as Carlo Ancelotti heads United shortlist

Sir Alex Ferguson will be consulted over David Moyes's successor at Manchester United, with Carlo Ancelotti leading a three-man shortlist of candidates to become the new manager at Old Trafford.
With Bayern Munich coach Pep Guardiola and Borussia Dortmund's Jürgen Klopp ruling themselves out of contention for the position within hours of confirmation of Moyes's dismissal on Tuesday, United remain determined to recruit a proven manager with experience of winning major trophies.
Ryan Giggs, who has been appointed interim manager for the final four games of this season, will not be considered as a permanent successor to Moyes, but the 40-year-old is regarded as having a role to play under whoever is handed the job at United.
Real Madrid coach Ancelotti is understood to be the favoured candidate among senior figures at Old Trafford, however, with Holland coach Louis van Gaal and Atlético Madrid's rising star Diego Simeone making up United's hit-list.
Although Ancelotti could yet guide Real – who face Bayern Munich in a Champions League semi-final on Wednesday night – to their 10th European Cup this season, the Italian has struggled to settle at the Bernabéu and has concerns over the security of his position, regardless of whether the Spanish giants win the Champions League in Lisbon next month.
United are aware of Ancelotti's issues in Spain and while the former Chelsea and AC Milan coach would prove difficult to lure from Real if his employers resist attempts to prise him from his three-year contract, there is a determination at Old Trafford to aim high and land the best possible candidate to succeed Moyes.
And former United manager Ferguson, who has been criticised by supporters for anointing Moyes as his successor last May, will play a central role in helping executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward identify the new manager.
United distanced themselves from claims by Ancelotti last year that Ferguson had approached him about the possibility of replacing him as manager, but the 54-year-old is regarded as a proven winner at Old Trafford and there would be no concerns over the financial cost of matching his £6 million-a-year Real salary.
Van Gaal remains a strong candidate, however, after making it clear to United that he would be keen to take charge at the club.
The Dutchman is understood to have held conversations with United intermediaries and his close relationship with Robin van Persie, who struggled to hide his disdain with Moyes's regime, is a strong card in his favour.
And while United are aware of the potential complication of Van Gaal being occupied by Holland at the World Cup until mid-July, it is not regarded as a deal-breaker.
Similarly, Simeone's inability to speak English is not viewed as an obstacle to the Argentine being appointed at Old Trafford, although there are strong indications in Spain that the 43-year-old will commit himself to a new contract at Atlético, who could end the season with a La Liga and Champions League double.
Within the dressing-room, there is support for Giggs to be handed the job on a permanent basis, with some senior players concerned by the prospect of working under a man with the abrasive reputation of Van Gaal. The views of the playing squad will not be in a factor in the board's decision on a successor, however.
Moyes's departure as manager was confirmed during a meeting involving Woodward, Ferguson and other senior figures following the 2-0 defeat against Everton on Sunday.
And although the decision was not officially communicated to Moyes by Woodward until 7.40am at the Carrington training ground on Tuesday, the Scot and his coaching staff had been bracing themselves for the news prior to it breaking on Easter Monday.
Moyes had arrived at Carrington at 4.30am in order to avoid television cameras and clear his desk before meeting Woodward in his office.
With Moyes having been told of his dismissal, Richard Bevan, the chief executive of the League Managers Association, was called to Carrington in order to finalise the manager's settlement and wording of statements, which are likely to follow.
Moyes is understood to have been upset by the apparent leaking of the news of his departure, but the 50-year-old was also aware that his position had been under threat since the 2-0 Champions League defeat against Olympiakos in February – a defeat regarded as a tipping point by the board.
Such was Moyes's concern for his position that he told some members of his staff last month that they would be safe at the club in the event of him losing his job.
Moyes's coaches, Steve Round and Jimmy Lumsden, were also informed that their employment had been terminated on Tuesday, but goalkeeper coach Chris Woods and first-team coach Phil Neville will remain on the staff until the summer alongside Giggs and Nicky Butt, who has been promoted from his reserve-team role to assist Giggs.
Despite a determination at United to spend heavily on new players this summer, Woodward and the Glazers are keen to take time over recruiting the new manager, with the view that it would be self-defeating to make a quick appointment that turned out to be the wrong appointment.
A period of due diligence on all of the leading candidates will now take place over the next fortnight, with an appointment unlikely to be confirmed before the final game of the season at Southampton on May 11.
Previously identified transfer targets will continue to be pursued, with the club's scouting team having already fine-tuned the list of players put forward by Moyes.
But with the focus now fixed on recruiting the right man, the blueprint laid out by the Glazers is simply to recruit a man who will get United 'winning again'

[magpie seanie]

Where's that from? It seems reasonable. I'd settle for any of those three candidates.

Have to laugh about Van Gaal's reported "abrasiveness" being a potential issue. I seem to remember a recent United manager (not David Moyes!) who had this trait in spades and he did ok!!!!!

[rodney trotter]

The Telegraph, Guardian has something similar too. Good to see the board are going ahead with the identified transfer targets

[muppet]

Where's that from? It seems reasonable. I'd settle for any of those three candidates.

Have to laugh about Van Gaal's reported "abrasiveness" being a potential issue. I seem to remember a recent United manager (not David Moyes!) who had this trait in spades and he did ok!!!!!

I can think of a few of United Captains in the last 20 years who lifted lots of trophies despite an evident lack of time at finishing school.