May as well get her started.........
Cork V Kildare would be a great chance for Kildare to avenge the theft of Tompkins and Fahy. I think whoever comes from the far side of the draw will win Sam to be honest.
At least the fuball is unpredictable this year.
IMO Kildare/Down will be given the same type of chance as Cork 09,07 & Mayo 04, 06 to beat kerry i think you have to go back to 2002 since a "underdog" won the final (Armagh beating Kerry)
Cork won't be feared but i expect a big performance from them in the Final & the recent final defeats should have them more focused than ever to bring home sam for the 1st time since 1990
Quote from: ross4life on August 23, 2010, 04:48:43 PM
IMO Kildare/Down will be given the same type of chance as Cork 09,07 & Mayo 04, 06 to beat kerry i think you have to go back to 2002 since a "underdog" won the final (Armagh beating Kerry)
Cork were clear favourites last year. Pretty sure Kerry were favourites over Tyrone in both '08 and '05. Presumably Armagh were favourites in '03 as well.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 23, 2010, 04:51:33 PM
Quote from: ross4life on August 23, 2010, 04:48:43 PM
IMO Kildare/Down will be given the same type of chance as Cork 09,07 & Mayo 04, 06 to beat kerry i think you have to go back to 2002 since a "underdog" won the final (Armagh beating Kerry)
Cork were clear favourites last year. Pretty sure Kerry were favourites over Tyrone in both '08 and '05. Presumably Armagh were favourites in '03 as well.
how could cork be clear favorites last year after the hammering Kerry gave to Dublin & Kerry v Tyrone games were even odds from what i remember & if not you could hardly class either of them as underdogs?
Cork were clear favourites last year - about the 4/6, 8/13 mark IIRC. Think the handicap was Cork (-2) because I had a decent wedge on Kerry +2.
The market dictates the price and most books would have had significant antepost liabilities on Cork at a bigger price than they would have had on Kerry.
well i expect much longer odds on Down/Kildare this time round
the way i see it is if down beat kildare which they have a very good chance of doing so i dont think they could beat cork whereas if kildare win i think they will beat cork.does that make sence?
i think kildare are more geared to defend against corks style of play,kildare would look how dublin defended perfectly for 60 mins before they retreated to deep in there own defence and when they did foul it was in a scoring area as opposed to fouling further out the field and kildare would have learnt alot from dublins mistakes.
I fancy the winner to come from this weeks semi-final. I think Kildare will be that team but the closer it gets to this game the less convinced I am becoming of their mental strength to close out the deal much in the same way that Dublin and Mayo have failed to get over the line in recent years.
I'm amazed that the bookies have Cork priced at 2/5 favouites for Sam, whoever wins on Sunday will have a serious chance due the expectancy on Corks shoulders to win the title.
I also think the winners of this weekends game will beat Cork. I would have more faith in Kildare beating Cork than Down, but Down would still have a great chance.
Saw odds last week of Kildare/Kilkenny double of 6/1.
Reasons for this.
1) Dublin pushed Cork to the pin of their collar. Kildare/Down are better set up than Dublin and with better players 1-15 and on the bench.
2) Unless someone wins by 10 points or more this weekend the winners will go in as underdogs which is always worth something.
Incidentally apart from 2003 obviously,every Ulster team has been underdogs for a final and apart from Tyrone in 1995 all have won.
3) Cork are not playing as well as last year. I really expected with Kerry gone they would have really came out and put on a display v Dublin. They do not seem to handle the pressure well and the pressure will definitely be on to win the final.
There was no forward bar Kerrigan ( and O'Neill when he came on)demanding the ball. There seemed to be a few hiding as there was in last years final. Cork have a lot of good forwards but no marquee player who can grab a game by the scruff of the neck.
Quote from: Orangemac on August 23, 2010, 10:34:57 PM
I also think the winners of this weekends game will beat Cork. I would have more faith in Kildare beating Cork than Down, but Down would still have a great chance.
Saw odds last week of Kildare/Kilkenny double of 6/1.
Reasons for this.
1) Dublin pushed Cork to the pin of their collar. Kildare/Down are better set up than Dublin and with better players 1-15 and on the bench.
2) Unless someone wins by 10 points or more this weekend the winners will go in as underdogs which is always worth something.
Incidentally apart from 2003 obviously,every Ulster team has been underdogs for a final and apart from Tyrone in 1995 all have won.
3) Cork are not playing as well as last year. I really expected with Kerry gone they would have really came out and put on a display v Dublin. They do not seem to handle the pressure well and the pressure will definitely be on to win the final.
There was no forward bar Kerrigan ( and O'Neill when he came on)demanding the ball. There seemed to be a few hiding as there was in last years final. Cork have a lot of good forwards but no marquee player who can grab a game by the scruff of the neck.
I'd be of similar opinion, although by no means writing off Cork. I think Kildare will be this year's champions, but having said that if Down make it the final, they have never lost....
Either way, its great to have this level of unpredictability not really seen since the pre-qualifier days...
Cork have some of the best players in Ireland but they play as individuals and not as a team. If Micky Harte was in charge of Cork they would be unbeatable.
Cork manager Conor Counihan is the weak-link in my opinion.
If Cork can't win the All Ireland this year they never will add to their miserable haul of only 6 All Ireland titles. Pressure is on the fecking langers big time.
Pressure definitely on Cork to deliver ... but I have sneaking feeling for Kildare also
Should be a great game with two attack minded teams.
Along with Tyrone in the minors it means we have Ulster's two most sucessful teams of the past 50 years represented on AI final day.
The bookies go Cork 4/7 Down 15/8 Draw 8/1.
Probably a fair enough reflection though I'd thought Cork's relative failure to impress might have pushed their price out a bit.
Down speed versus Cork strength....should be a fascinating final.
Down (unlike Mayo) don't lose finals. I expect the pressure to get to Cork and Down to win.
Down will win it! All the pressure is on the langers - they havent handled it well in the past so here's hoping they wont change. C'mon Down !
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on August 29, 2010, 08:21:13 PM
The bookies go Cork 4/7 Down 15/8 Draw 8/1.
Probably a fair enough reflection though I'd thought Cork's relative failure to impress might have pushed their price out a bit.
Surprised the odds are not longer.. Cork are vastly experienced & having lost two finals in three years expect them to be extra focused this time but will need big game players Canty/Murphy fit to win
According to Benny Coulters interview after the game (on RTE website) down will be playing in their away kit. How is this decided so early?
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 29, 2010, 10:04:53 PM
According to Benny Coulters interview after the game (on RTE website) down will be playing in their away kit. How is this decided so early?
I think that the last time these sides met (1994) both sides played in their 'away' colours. It might be the same this time.Maybe!
I would expect that both teams will have to change their colours for the final. I was at the 1994 semi final and from memory, both teams changed that day. The bookmakers had Cork at 2/5 during the week, but I can not see them being that short a price after today. Down to win their 6th title/
I hear Jimmy White is geting the final. Oh my God!
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 29, 2010, 10:41:43 PM
I hear Jimmy White is geting the final. Oh my God!
He did the connacht final which turned out to be one of the games of the year not many good refs anyways
y >:( >:(ep! thats what i'd be afraid of that some arse of a ref is gonna make a total balls of the all ireland final, they'll probably give it to sludgsie
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 29, 2010, 10:41:43 PM
I hear Jimmy White is geting the final. Oh my God!
Would it not be a break with recent convention to appoint a referee from a province represented by one of the finalists?
Both these sides love the hand pass, think we could be in for a disappointing final. Cork have a better defence than Kildare and a much better midfeld pairing than Lynch and Sweeney, can't see Down winning as much possession and the referee probably won't be as protective of Clarke, Cork have played within themselves and mentally will be stronger after their comeback win against Dublin. With Coulter admitting a square ball, the non-point or two, the penalty, Kildare hitting the woodwork 3 times Down will mentally believe they are in the final through luck and some doubts will exist.
Can't see any fairy tale here, O'Neill and co will run riot on the Down defence with their direct running, Cork to win by 4....
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on August 29, 2010, 11:13:31 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 29, 2010, 10:41:43 PM
I hear Jimmy White is geting the final. Oh my God!
Would it not be a break with recent convention to appoint a referee from a province represented by one of the finalists?
ffs..this is getting ridiculuous....third game in a row where an Ulster ref is reffing a Down game...whats going on ?
i heard it was gerry kinneavy to be fair, hoganstand said a while back he was widely tipped to get the final as mc eneany and and deegan got the semis
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on August 29, 2010, 11:13:31 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 29, 2010, 10:41:43 PM
I hear Jimmy White is geting the final. Oh my God!
Would it not be a break with recent convention
is that a Jimmy white pun?
Quote from: Niall Quinn on August 30, 2010, 12:47:38 AM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on August 29, 2010, 11:13:31 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 29, 2010, 10:41:43 PM
I hear Jimmy White is geting the final. Oh my God!
Would it not be a break with recent convention
is that a Jimmy white pun?
Your question arrived right on cue and has left me red faced.
Ever since the Kerry game i have fancied down to go on and win the AI.
Having since watched cork stumble through against a reasonable but inexperienced Dublin side, and Down pip Kildare (though I thought Down much the better side) I've seen nothing to change my mind.
I think Down have a great mix of youth, experience, guile, mobility, skill and organisation and IMO they play with comlete confidence whereas Cork alway seem to bottle it at the last (except fo the Dublin game). Cork of some fantastic players but they just dont seem to have played well this year, even though they are in a final.
As I say, it's only my opinion but I think Down will win by 5-6 points. I quite like Cork, but I'd love to see Down go on and win it now as I think the brand of football they have played this year is refreshing and exciting.
Quote from: swagger on August 30, 2010, 12:35:48 AM
i heard it was gerry kinneavy to be fair, hoganstand said a while back he was widely tipped to get the final as mc eneany and and deegan got the semis
It's between him and Gearóid Ó Cionáimhe.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 30, 2010, 12:11:59 PM
Quote from: swagger on August 30, 2010, 12:35:48 AM
i heard it was gerry kinneavy to be fair, hoganstand said a while back he was widely tipped to get the final as mc eneany and and deegan got the semis
It's between him and Gearóid Ó Cionáimhe.
...the various incarnations of Gerry Kinneavy ((c) Saffron Sam ) .
The artist formerly known as Gerry Kinneavy. :D
I always associate AI with cows getting pregnant.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 30, 2010, 12:02:33 AM
Both these sides love the hand pass, think we could be in for a disappointing final. Cork have a better defence than Kildare and a much better midfeld pairing than Lynch and Sweeney, can't see Down winning as much possession and the referee probably won't be as protective of Clarke, Cork have played within themselves and mentally will be stronger after their comeback win against Dublin. With Coulter admitting a square ball, the non-point or two, the penalty, Kildare hitting the woodwork 3 times Down will mentally believe they are in the final through luck and some doubts will exist.
Can't see any fairy tale here, O'Neill and co will run riot on the Down defence with their direct running, Cork to win by 4....
thus speaks a man bitter in defeat ;D
Quote from: eiled in the bushes on August 30, 2010, 01:25:51 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 30, 2010, 12:02:33 AM
Both these sides love the hand pass, think we could be in for a disappointing final. Cork have a better defence than Kildare and a much better midfeld pairing than Lynch and Sweeney, can't see Down winning as much possession and the referee probably won't be as protective of Clarke, Cork have played within themselves and mentally will be stronger after their comeback win against Dublin. With Coulter admitting a square ball, the non-point or two, the penalty, Kildare hitting the woodwork 3 times Down will mentally believe they are in the final through luck and some doubts will exist.
Can't see any fairy tale here, O'Neill and co will run riot on the Down defence with their direct running, Cork to win by 4....
thus speaks a man bitter in defeat ;D
a bit harsh - Dinny is disappointed in defeat - not bitter.
he's a bitter hoor about life in general though ! ;)
he's not wrong that if Cork run at Down then the mourners could be doing just that !
However to date in the championship, Cork have yet to do so.
will be a great game with the result going to whoever takes their bit of luck or break of a ball on the day !
Down's to lose IMO.
Cork have been poor all year. I don't think they will be able to cope with the Down forward line.
If Down had Bernard Brogan I'd put the house on them.
Does anyone know what the story with Ambrose Rogers is? Will he be fit for the final?
Quote from: Jinxy on August 30, 2010, 02:02:41 PM
If Down had Bernard Brogan I'd put the house on them.
The banks aren't doing those sorts of deals these days Jinxy. Have you got cash?
Well done to Down. When they're motoring well they are a lovely natural footballing side to watch. Same for their '91 and '94 sides. It was a great match. Much better than last weeks semi.
Heart goes out to Kildare. Would have loved to see them win for the sake of the Early connection and I admire Geezer alot. They were very enjoyable to watch all summer and put up some huge scores rather than being as defensive as some lazy journos predicted they would be under the former Armagh star. What his players took from him was his great heart and focus. I hope Early has another shot at it in 2011 once his injury is sorted. No reason why the management and present squad cant have another push at it again next year.
Pat Mac is an over rated ref. Not saying he is a bad one but he gets an easy time from the media due to his personality and laid back approach. He got things badly wrong yesterday mainly because he didnt keep up with play. He should'nt even have had to consult umpires for Coulter's goal but when he did they should have told him it was a foul. He allowed too many steps for the Kildare goal. He showed have given a penalty at the end when the Down players dived on the ball.
When you consider those incorrect decisions and add in the Kildare point that was waved wide it's obvious they were very unlucky and in my opinion should have won the match. Yes Down played the better football and Kildare had some silly wides plus stray passes. Also they hit the woodwork twice. But it's not a question of which team is easiest on the eye. The timing of the Benny goal was crucial. Apart from getting 3 points out of it they also got momentum of their own and halted the momentum of their opponents who were in control at that point. You simply cant have 9 months preparation and dedication being ruined by incompetent offialdown. It shouldnt be accepted as "part of the game".
None of this is Down's fault. They have every right to profit from whatever decisons went their way and as Geezer said last night it was Coulter's courage that landed him in the square. Bravely running backwards he didnt even know he's gone over the line. I hope Down win the final but I think Cork may squeeze them in to submission. Bigger, stronger and more experienced side who have made the final without coming close to how they can play.
QuoteDown don't lose finals. I expect the pressure to get to Cork and Down to win.
Yes the Down teams of the 60's & 80's didn't lose finals but the same can't be saied of the current team, in fact other than the McKenna Cup in 1998 they've lost every senior final they have played in!
I'll put my house on it that Down will win Sam in 3 weeks time. Its a guaranteed fact, stonewall certainty.
- Its exactly 50 years since they first brought Sam across the border in 1960, they'll win it again in 2010
- They've never lost an All-Ireland final (5 out of 5 record), they'll make it 6 out of 6 on Sept 19th
- In 1991 Down used a league final defeat in Croke Park to their advantage by turning around a year later and winning Sam
- In 2010 they lost a league final in Croke Park and will again use this to their advantage by turning around and winning Sam 5 months later
- With the exception of 1994 (when they beat Cork) they've always beaten Kerry on route to winning Sam. Again Kerry were slayed on route to the 2010 final
Strangely enough history plays a massive part in determining the eventual outcome in sport. Down have always scored goals in their previous all-Ireland semi final and final appearances in 1960, 1961, 1968, 1991, 1994. Down to score a goal in the All-Ireland final in 3 weeks time is another certain guaranteed bet.
I predict Down to win by 4 or 5 points and score at least 1 goal but most likely 2 goals. Cork don't have a prayer, they're up against a team who have destiny on their shoulders.
Quote from: jas376 on August 29, 2010, 10:14:58 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 29, 2010, 10:04:53 PM
According to Benny Coulters interview after the game (on RTE website) down will be playing in their away kit. How is this decided so early?
I think that the last time these sides met (1994) both sides played in their 'away' colours. It might be the same this time.Maybe!
If I heard correctly Cork will be wearing white and Down will be wearing yellow!!! :P Yellow just doesn't seem right at all.
Will Cork not be wearing the Blue of Munster?
Quote from: thejuice on August 30, 2010, 04:00:17 PM
Quote from: jas376 on August 29, 2010, 10:14:58 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 29, 2010, 10:04:53 PM
According to Benny Coulters interview after the game (on RTE website) down will be playing in their away kit. How is this decided so early?
I think that the last time these sides met (1994) both sides played in their 'away' colours. It might be the same this time.Maybe!
If I heard correctly Cork will be wearing white and Down will be wearing yellow!!! :P Yellow just doesn't seem right at all.
the sunday game said last night the cccc would decide this today when they meet the 2 counties.
Down will more than likely have to wear that horrible yellow thing. How can o'neills not see the profitability in bringing out an all black jersey for Down away.Are we the only county left that still uses the provincial colours as an away kit.
Played Cork years ago in NFL in all black jerseys, looked well. I think the game was a draw
From www.bbc.co.uk/ni
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Down and Cork must change colours for All-Ireland final
Down's players will not wear their traditional red and black jerseys in the All-Ireland Football final because of a clash of colours with Cork.
The GAA's Central Competitions Control Committee ruled on Monday that both teams would wear alternate colours.
Cork will wear white jerseys with a red trim while Down will don mainly yellow shirts with a red and black trim.
Down wore the same strip in last year's All-Ireland under 21 final when Cork triumphed after a last-gasp goal.
Cork wore their traditional red shirts in that game.
The 19 September decider will be the first time since the 1982 final between Offaly and Kerry that both the finalists will be forced to wear alternative strips.
When Down and Cork met in the 1994 All-Ireland SFC semi-final, Down wore a gold and black strip, while Cork played in white jerseys.
The last occasion a team in the final wore a change of strip was in the replayed 1996 decider, when Meath wore a gold jersey against Mayo.
On three occasions when Kerry and Mayo met in finals recently - 1997, 2004, '06 - Croke Park were happy to let both counties wear their traditional green strip despite the clash of colours.
For some reason I've a feeling that this isn't the first time since 1982 that changed strips have been worn. I have a vague recollection that Mayo and Meath wore their alternative colours for the 1996 AI final replay though no doubt more eminent posters can give an authoritive answer to that one.
Kerry/Mayo didn't change in 1997
With the barriers in place i wonder will it keep the Cork/Down fans off the field? i guess we'll see next Sunday with the Hurling
Why do they have to change jerseys anayway? Is there anyone left in the country with a black and white television?
down have a good record in the yellow jerseys as far as i believe
Quote from: seafoid on August 30, 2010, 04:52:53 PM
Why do they have to change jerseys anayway? Is there anyone left in the country with a black and white television?
Cork/Galway minors didn't change yesterday i wonder how that would have looked on black and white television?
Lads will rodgers make the final?
Quote from: ross4life on August 30, 2010, 04:50:01 PM
Kerry/Mayo didn't change in 1997
Kerry did actually, but only slightly. The gold hoop on their jersey was considerably bigger than it had been previously: http://www.inpho.ie/cgi-bin/WebObjects/INPHO-Shop.woa/wa/p?p=EhDBP1L6lUsrx76m4KTOQ8lBi1BPdLr8nA9kgEW9fK0.a (http://www.inpho.ie/cgi-bin/WebObjects/INPHO-Shop.woa/wa/p?p=EhDBP1L6lUsrx76m4KTOQ8lBi1BPdLr8nA9kgEW9fK0.a)
Very hard to call this final. I think Down would be wise not to read too much into yesterday. Kildare were without both their first choice midfielders for the majority of the match and this allowed Down to boss proceedings around the middle. I think they'll find it much tougher against whatever combination of O'Connor/O'Neill/Murphy/Kavanagh/Goold that Counihan selects. Any combination from that five would be far superior to Hughie Lynch and Roli Sweeney.
Cork have hardly been setting the world alight either and I thought their semi-final was more a case of Dublin handing it to them then Cork quarrying out a win themselves. If they finally click, I'd give a hesitant vote to Cork but I wouldn't be surprised if Down won it. Cork's experience in finals in recent years should stand to them but it could also be a double edged sword. Will some of their key men freeze again on the big day in September?
Quote from: The Worker on August 30, 2010, 04:55:37 PM
down have a good record in the yellow jerseys as far as i believe
We beat Cork in the All Ireland semi final in 1994 wearing Yella and Cork were wearing white. Check out Aidan Mallon's videos on youtube to see Niall Cahalane trying to catch Mickey Linden :D :D
Hope as a neutral that Cork win it as I genuinely think that they deserve it more than Down. Not that I would be too bothered either way.
Always love seeing teams getting up off the ropes after heavy/ sickening beatings and going on to win Sam.
Personally think Down will win it though if they get an early lead.
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 30, 2010, 07:08:01 PM
Quote from: The Worker on August 30, 2010, 04:55:37 PM
down have a good record in the yellow jerseys as far as i believe
We beat Cork in the All Ireland semi final in 1994 wearing Yella and Cork were wearing white. Check out Aidan Mallon's videos on youtube to see Niall Cahalane trying to catch Mickey Linden :D :D
i was on the hill that day.
linden was in his prime.
Imagine if Linden was in his prime now with Benny & Marty in the forward line :o
This Down team have more pace thoughout the team than Down in 1994 and I think Down are in a perfect position going into this final.
Cork don't seem to handle the pressure well, against Dublin there was a real lack of leadership throughout the team until O'Neill came on.
Cork are strong but their slow side to side handpassing will suit Down who will hit Cork at pace on the break. Dublin nearly beat Cork with 1 forward. Down have 5 forwards capable of scoring a few points each ( John Clarke has been just ok the last few games but he gives Down a focal point in attack).
The fact that this is their 1st final will not phase Down. They are Down and although the hype round Newry etc will be unreal McCartan will keep their feet on the ground. The fact that they have never lost a final will be used as a positive.
Cork have been knocking on the door the last few years and the tag of favouritism will not sit well with them.
Cork playing v Tyrone last year would win but they have yet to hit those heights this year. Down by 2.
Have an Ulster team ever been favourites for an AI ( apart from 2003)?
By the way would Jimmy White being ref make it the team that never lost a final reffed by the man who never won 1? I'll get my coat.
Dromara Gael is quite right about Down wearing an all black strip against Cork in the NFL but it is going back quite a while - probably around 25 years. My recollection is that the game may have been played in Castlewellan and I have a notion that the great Tommy McGovern might have got a rare score for us late on.
is it too late to get a black strip cleared to play with??
IS AMBROSE GOING TO BE FIT FOR FINAL ?
Surely it is possible for Down to have a strip with a bit more black in the jersey and Cork one with a bit more white, given that the shorts are also different.
Quote from: Mourne Rover on August 30, 2010, 11:29:20 PM
Dromara Gael is quite right about Down wearing an all black strip against Cork in the NFL but it is going back quite a while - probably around 25 years. My recollection is that the game may have been played in Castlewellan and I have a notion that the great Tommy McGovern might have got a rare score for us late on.
Did Down minors not wear an all black strip in the 80s for an all ireland semi??
i know they wore yellow in 87 against Cork
on a more worrying note i heard on BBC news that Down were only getting 13,000 tickets.
Lads anyone know a good place around Newry to buy a couple of flags for the house
Quote from: snoopdog on August 31, 2010, 09:17:24 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on August 30, 2010, 11:29:20 PM
Dromara Gael is quite right about Down wearing an all black strip against Cork in the NFL but it is going back quite a while - probably around 25 years. My recollection is that the game may have been played in Castlewellan and I have a notion that the great Tommy McGovern might have got a rare score for us late on.
Did Down minors not wear an all black strip in the 80s for an all ireland semi??
i know they wore yellow in 87 against Cork
on a more worrying note i heard on BBC news that Down were only getting 13,000 tickets.
Lads anyone know a good place around Newry to buy a couple of flags for the house
Around a Pound on Hill St would be your best bet I'd say.
Snoopdog, in 1987, a Down minor team featuring James McCartan beat Kildare in the AI semi and went on to defeat Cork in the final. Paddy Kielty, who was the reserve keeper in the squad, has been pointing out the coincidence. Our only other minor semi that decade was in 1986, when we lost to Galway, and I'm fairly sure that we wore our normal kit.
Quote from: Mourne Rover on August 31, 2010, 09:47:41 PM
Snoopdog, in 1987, a Down minor team featuring James McCartan beat Kildare in the AI semi and went on to defeat Cork in the final. Paddy Kielty, who was the reserve keeper in the squad, has been pointing out the coincidence. Our only other minor semi that decade was in 1986, when we lost to Galway, and I'm fairly sure that we wore our normal kit.
yeah 86 im nearly surethey were wearing black that day. Now i was only a pup so i could be wrong.
on the flags is around a pounds flags any good cause the ones in around a pound banbridge are quite poor.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 30, 2010, 12:30:56 AM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on August 29, 2010, 11:13:31 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 29, 2010, 10:41:43 PM
I hear Jimmy White is geting the final. Oh my God!
Would it not be a break with recent convention to appoint a referee from a province represented by one of the finalists?
ffs..this is getting ridiculuous....third game in a row where an Ulster ref is reffing a Down game...whats going on ?
Are you Jack O,Connor in disguise.
Kinneavy will be reffing. his last game so every cloud and all that...
Best bet for tickets through your club?
Good news on the ref mainly because of who it isnt.
I have rewatched the Kildare game a few times now and think Down still look vulnerable under the high ball. Kildare really got at them when launching it in high in last ten. Gordon did well on Donaghy but wasnt as assured on Sunday. Cork has a few options at full forward and will be interesting to see how they line up. I imagine they will try and have the FF and CHF on rotation to get Gordon out from the square and McKernan sucked into a deeper defensive role.
good choice of ref instead of using Geroid O Conneiva
Underdogs prevailed yesterday . . . . Down can win this final.
Any injury worries in either camp?
I understand Ambrose will be fit ?? Can anyone confirm?
As seen yesterday, unless Ambi is 110% he should not start. He would be a hell of an impact sub if we were getting it tight.
Quote from: MCMLX on September 06, 2010, 12:01:40 PM
As seen yesterday, unless Ambi is 110% he should not start. He would be a hell of an impact sub if we were getting it tight.
you would settle for a 100% fit Ambrose though.
I dont think he will start, Fitzpatrick isn't a bad option after last week
Was just thinking there that you have to feel sorry for some players who wont be involved on the big day who have gave so much to down over the last few years, and the name forefront in my mind is Liam Doyle. A class act and would no doubt be a major player for down if only for that knee thats given him so much bother of the years.
Would say Cork are in the same position with Canty and Lynch. Cork were wrong to start Canty the last day and is was only when Cadogan came on that the defence got a hold on the Brogans.
Quote from: marym on September 06, 2010, 03:33:09 PM
Would say Cork are in the same position with Canty and Lynch. Cork were wrong to start Canty the last day and is was only when Cadogan came on that the defence got a hold on the Brogans.
Have to agree. This final without Canty and Rodgers would be missising something big. I hope both can make an appearance at some stage.
Great game in prospect with either team capable of taking it. Can hardy wait the 14days and I still don't have a ticket. Is anyone else sweating on a ticket? Here's hoping.
I'm going for a draw on this game. We're due one.
Ticket demand in Cork is huge but with minors also involved it seems we will get 4000 more. O neills are also laughing all the way to the bank with they new white jersey. Have seen loads of kids with it bought already. People say we have never lost with the white jersey in a final.
Did Cork not wear white when Louth beat them in 1957?
Edit - I was wrong. This grand auld video shows both teams in shades of grey, which I assume is the blue of munster and the green of Leinster.
http://vodpod.com/watch/4289288-louth-v-cork-1957-all-ireland-sfc-final (http://vodpod.com/watch/4289288-louth-v-cork-1957-all-ireland-sfc-final)
Does anybody else feel this could be a bad all Ireland final? one of those matches littered with fouls & frees... of course Down/Cork fans won't care what the match is like so long as they win but as a neutral it would be nice to see a high quality final in what has been a decent championship
Padraig Harringtons father played for Cork in that 1957 final. The Cork team travelled to Dublin earlier in the year and Padraig met with them.
I don't see these teams as fouling at all & blanket defence as a game is well gone in all counties.
I think it will be a brilliant final, plus the replay as I said earlier ;)
Quote from: marym on September 06, 2010, 08:57:13 PM
Ticket demand in Cork is huge but with minors also involved it seems we will get 4000 more. O neills are also laughing all the way to the bank with they new white jersey. Have seen loads of kids with it bought already. People say we have never lost with the white jersey in a final.
cant see them making a fortune from the Down change kit. it is minging. yellow is a crap colour. why we dont have a black one is beyond me.
The Down county board has launched a campaign to encourage sporting behaviour among their supporters ahead of the All-Ireland football final against Cork on September 19.
A series of posters have been commissioned ahead of the final which are being distributed to clubs throughout the county over the next fortnight.
Down PRO Ronan McMahon explained: "Down GAA believes booing and heckling free-takers, in particular, is creeping into Gaelic games too much and we would like to be proactive in discouraging this behaviour as much as possible.
"These posters will be circulated throughout the county before the All-Ireland final and will hopefully help to encourage all fans to be sporting at all times."
Quote from: Wee Shea on September 06, 2010, 10:47:04 PM
The Down county board has launched a campaign to encourage sporting behaviour among their supporters ahead of the All-Ireland football final against Cork on September 19.
A series of posters have been commissioned ahead of the final which are being distributed to clubs throughout the county over the next fortnight.
Down PRO Ronan McMahon explained: "Down GAA believes booing and heckling free-takers, in particular, is creeping into Gaelic games too much and we would like to be proactive in discouraging this behaviour as much as possible.
"These posters will be circulated throughout the county before the All-Ireland final and will hopefully help to encourage all fans to be sporting at all times."
good to see this. The booing from both sets of fans in the SF was sad to see, it isnt the GAA way, but it only creeps in when the bandwagon roles. doesnt happen at majority of games
What a great gesture. Fair play to the Down County Board. Class is permanent.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 06, 2010, 10:59:04 PM
What a great gesture. Fair play to the Down County Board. Class is permanent.
Why's that AZ? Derry were in the 1958 final for example and ok didn't win, Armagh 1953?
1890, 1911, 1945, 1973, 1989 & 1990, this is the total haul of Munster's second placed county in All Ireland wins, (stop laughing I know its all true if somewhat sad), They are under huge pressure to add a 7th Title.
I've always found Down to be a classy county in the way they conduct themselves, and I think this initiative to discourage their fans from discrediting that tradition is a great thing.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on September 06, 2010, 11:45:15 PM
1890, 1911, 1945, 1973, 1989 & 1990, this is the total haul of Munster's second placed county in All Ireland wins, (stop laughing I know its all true if somewhat sad), They are under huge pressure to add a 7th Title.
If they happen to win the 7th title on the 19th, Cork will be 4th in the all time list for wins/runners ups... behind Kerry,Dublin & Galway! so not something to be laughed at
Quote from: marym on September 06, 2010, 08:57:13 PM
People say we have never lost with the white jersey in a final.
There were a couple of recent finals you could have been doing with them Mary ;)
Quote from: snoopdog on September 06, 2010, 10:39:30 PM
cant see them making a fortune from the Down change kit. it is minging. yellow is a crap colour. why we dont have a black one is beyond me.
We had... or at least it was a goalie top fit for use outfield.
The old gaelic gear one - been about 2003 or so.
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on September 07, 2010, 07:52:55 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on September 06, 2010, 10:39:30 PM
cant see them making a fortune from the Down change kit. it is minging. yellow is a crap colour. why we dont have a black one is beyond me.
We had... or at least it was a goalie top fit for use outfield.
The old gaelic gear one - been about 2003 or so.
Yeah but they always use that yellow yoke if required. Did anyone see conor Deegan in the Irish news today, wouldnt recognise him.
Quote from: snoopdog on September 07, 2010, 09:32:41 AM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on September 07, 2010, 07:52:55 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on September 06, 2010, 10:39:30 PM
cant see them making a fortune from the Down change kit. it is minging. yellow is a crap colour. why we dont have a black one is beyond me.
We had... or at least it was a goalie top fit for use outfield.
The old gaelic gear one - been about 2003 or so.
Yeah but they always use that yellow yoke if required. Did anyone see conor Deegan in the Irish news today, wouldnt recognise him.
did indeed, he's piled the pounds on.
@marym: people say Down have never lost a final, regardless of jersey worn. History, or jerseys mean nothing.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on September 06, 2010, 11:45:15 PM
1890, 1911, 1945, 1973, 1989 & 1990, this is the total haul of Munster's second placed county in All Ireland wins, (stop laughing I know its all true if somewhat sad), They are under huge pressure to add a 7th Title.
1890 Final: Midleton 2-4; Blues & Whites 0-1
I take exception to people counting club titles. Cork have five same as Down. Why not count nemo's while ye are at it?
Quote from: Wee Shea on September 06, 2010, 10:47:04 PM
The Down county board has launched a campaign to encourage sporting behaviour among their supporters ahead of the All-Ireland football final against Cork on September 19.
A series of posters have been commissioned ahead of the final which are being distributed to clubs throughout the county over the next fortnight.
Down PRO Ronan McMahon explained: "Down GAA believes booing and heckling free-takers, in particular, is creeping into Gaelic games too much and we would like to be proactive in discouraging this behaviour as much as possible.
"These posters will be circulated throughout the county before the All-Ireland final and will hopefully help to encourage all fans to be sporting at all times."
Well done Down County Board, the first unit of the GAA, that I'm aware of, to do anything constructive about this stuff. Fair play to them for understanding that if you don't do something about it, it gets worse because more and more see it as acceptable. The slide to the lowest common denominator has to be actively resisted or it happens inevitably.
However I suspect that many of those booing and jeering are not regulars and won't even hear about the county boards efforts.
Quote from: armaghniac on September 07, 2010, 01:28:58 PM
However I suspect that many of those booing and jeering are not regulars and won't even hear about the county boards efforts.
Possibly, but at least they are trying and saying it's not the right way to support your team.
Our trophy hu art in Dublin, Sam Maguire be thy name. the kingdom crumbled, thy rebels will be done in Croke Park as it is in heaven. Give us this day our black and red and forgive us our open hand passes as we forgive those who hand pass against us and lead us not into Quinns but deliver us back up the M1. Amen
Hail Marty full of pace , the ball is with thee. Blessed art thou amoungst men and deadly is your left peg . Holy Marty son of the Mournes play for us winners .......... Feck it , give it to benny GOAL !!!!!!!!! Amen
Was driving around the South West all last week and you wouldn't have a clue Cork were in an AI final in two weeks such was the lack of colour around the place. There were more Cork flags displayed in the Kingdom than there was in Cork ffs, so may I be the first to say Up Down.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on September 08, 2010, 02:37:49 PM
Was driving around the South West all last week and you wouldn't have a clue Cork were in an AI final in two weeks such was the lack of colour around the place. There were more Cork flags displayed in the Kingdom than there was in Cork ffs, so may I be the first to say Up Down.
They are pretty apathetic to football in most of Cork bar out west. Hurling is very much number one.
That said they might as well get behind them because their hurlers are probably going to suffer a drought over the next few years.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 08, 2010, 03:38:09 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on September 08, 2010, 02:37:49 PM
Was driving around the South West all last week and you wouldn't have a clue Cork were in an AI final in two weeks such was the lack of colour around the place. There were more Cork flags displayed in the Kingdom than there was in Cork ffs, so may I be the first to say Up Down.
They are pretty apathetic to football in most of Cork bar out west. Hurling is very much number one.
That said they might as well get behind them because their hurlers are probably going to suffer a drought over the next few years.
That's where I was, wasn't expecting to see too much out the east around Youghal, Cloyne, etc. but there was nothing around Clonakilty, Skibbereen, Bantry, etc. A few flags outside houses on the Beara Peninsula but that was it, remarkable really, any other county in the land and the place would be going nuts.
not much chat, 8 pages for the final thread a week before, there's near as many pages on Geezer ffs
reading mccartan's interview in the irish news and it's hard tot ell what way ambrose is from it - 50/50 at best but I think fitzpatrick will do a fine job if required...
Wouldnt be surprised to see A Lynch and C O Neill in Cork side with Down unchanged ....so as a first draft matched up like this .
1. A Quirke
2. A Lynch 3. Michael Shields 4. John Miskella
15 M Clarke 14 J Clarke 13. B Coulter
5. Noel O'Leary 6. Graham Canty 7. Paudie Kissane
12. P McComiskey 11. M Poland 10. D Hughes
8. Alan O'Connor 9. Aidan Walsh
9. K King 8. P Fitzpatrick
10. Paul Kerrigan 11. Pearse O'Neill 12. Patrick Kelly
7. C Garvey 6. K McKernan 5. D Rooney
13. Daniel Goulding 14. Colm O Neill 15. Donncha O'Connor
4. D Rafferty 3. D Gordon 2. D McCartan
1. B McVeigh
Is this the way the respective managers will want it ?
Not sure about Dan on Donnacha or who should mark Pearse O'Neill ( maybe Rooney ? ) and as I have said earlier I imagine Cork will try to get McKernan playing deep in his own half and probably would like to get Gordon way from the square.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on September 06, 2010, 11:45:15 PM
1890, 1911, 1945, 1973, 1989 & 1990, this is the total haul of Munster's second placed county in All Ireland wins, (stop laughing I know its all true if somewhat sad), They are under huge pressure to add a 7th Title.
You should have put asterisks after both 1989 and 1990. We all know about the Kildare connection in those 2 wins. They even had a Kildare captain for one of those years. The last football All Ireland Cork won on their own was in 1973. :D :D :D
Quote from: Banana Man on September 09, 2010, 01:38:40 PM
not much chat, 8 pages for the final thread a week before, there's near as many pages on Geezer ffs
This thread would be longer if you Downers kept to it instead of starting a new thread everytime someone gets curious about the wellbeing of Ambrose Rogers' big toe.
Quote from: Banana Man on September 09, 2010, 01:38:40 PM
not much chat, 8 pages for the final thread a week before, there's near as many pages on Geezer ffs
reading mccartan's interview in the irish news and it's hard tot ell what way ambrose is from it - 50/50 at best but I think fitzpatrick will do a fine job if required...
Less fans means less pages i guess? Imagine if the final was Tyrone vs Mayo the gaaboard would probably crash :D
Though not necessarily a disadavantage, the difference in size between the Down HF line and the Cork HB line is quite significant
5. Noel O'Leary 6. Graham Canty 7. Paudie Kissane
12. P McComiskey 11. M Poland 10. D Hughes
Downs performance against Kildare will not be good enough to win this final. We need to start like we did against Kerry.
Cork will see this as their best chance in years to win an All Ireland and will be at it from the start. Cork will put in their best performance of the summer.
Quote from: snoopdog on September 09, 2010, 08:50:20 PM
Downs performance against Kildare will not be good enough to win this final. We need to start like we did against Kerry.
Cork will see this as their best chance in years to win an All Ireland and will be at it from the start. Cork will put in their best performance of the summer.
I think any Cavan fan that was in Pairc Ui Chaoimh back in July has seen the best already
Down 15-8 to win this match with some bookmakers does anyone else think these odds are generous or am I missing something?
The Down footballers will sleep in their own beds the night before Sunday week's All-Ireland final against Cork.
Down chairman Seamus Walsh told The Irish News that James McCartan's squad will not be booking into a hotel close to Croke Park before the big game. It means that Down will be continuing their tradition, which dates back to 1959, of travelling to Dublin on the day of the game.
"James always wants to keep the same pattern. He prefers the boys to stay in their own beds the night before the game, so we will be travelling down on the morning of the game," Walsh said.
"There will be a Gardai escort from the border right down to Dublin. We haven't had an escort the whole way previously, but because there will be a big contingent of supporters, we want to make sure that we get a run straight through."
Other Ulster counties, such as Armagh and Tyrone, have opted to stay in Dublin on the eve of recent All-Ireland final appearances.
PaddyPower reckon it will be a 1-3 point win for Cork
Cork 4/7 Draw 8 Down 15/8
About right as inverse odds are the nom in gaa betting
Paddy plumps for -2 cork in the handicap which makes me think they expect a down performance & win or close defeat, as a Punter I'd say a lot of people may take 6/5 cork-2 and give it a right scalp, as Cork in reality are regularly going to be 3 points better than Down. Rarely will a 4/7 shot have this handicap.
Down/Cork is 9/2 which is interesting as Down start well and hold on regularly, so wouldn't be surprised if this came up.
Down first score & HT lead a 7/1 double which is very tasty especially if the first score is a sign of another good start.
Will be surprised if Cork dont win this by 3 points or more .Down are an up and coming team but the final might be a step too far for them .
Will have to leave Country for a month or so afterwards
Quote from: johnpower on September 09, 2010, 10:13:43 PM
Will be surprised if Cork dont win this by 3 points or more .Down are an up and coming team but the final might be a step too far for them .
Would agree John, ,except that the Cork lads are still having nightmares about the trimmings they've suffered in recent finals at the hands (and feet) of your boys (whom Down dismissed imperiously ;) ).
If Cork don't get a blazing start I'd fear for them, because Down won't be fazed in the slightest by either of the occasion or the location.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 09, 2010, 10:28:58 PM
Quote from: johnpower on September 09, 2010, 10:13:43 PM
Will be surprised if Cork dont win this by 3 points or more .Down are an up and coming team but the final might be a step too far for them .
Would agree John, ,except that the Cork lads are still having nightmares about the trimmings they've suffered in recent finals at the hands (and feet) of your boys (whom Down dismissed imperiously ;) ).
If Cork don't get a blazing start I'd fear for them, because Down won't be fazed in the slightest by either of the occasion or the location.
I agree Fear ,Cork need a good start . I wondor what role Conor Counihan has in mind for Canty (if fit ) Shields (v Coulter?) and Cadogan .Is he the man to track Marty Clark ?
see in the IN down got 7 all stars, first one for coulter in 7 years, just shows how long the lad has been plugging away with nothing to show for it - fair play
i heard on rte radio earlier canty will be fit
Canty will line out on Saturday in a full game A v B. If he comes through that well then he will be selected. If not Cadogan will be in.
Give Us Back Sam Maguire
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5w6TJyhS2o&feature=topvideos
Quote from: Onlooker on September 09, 2010, 03:18:12 PM
Quote from: Kerry Mike on September 06, 2010, 11:45:15 PM
1890, 1911, 1945, 1973, 1989 & 1990, this is the total haul of Munster's second placed county in All Ireland wins, (stop laughing I know its all true if somewhat sad), They are under huge pressure to add a 7th Title.
You should have put asterisks after both 1989 and 1990. We all know about the Kildare connection in those 2 wins. They even had a Kildare captain for one of those years. The last football All Ireland Cork won on their own was in 1973. :D :D :D
We're sore enough about our semi-final defeat Onlooker - why did you have to go dragging that up?!
Feckin mercenaries! ;D
Quote from: Banana Man on September 10, 2010, 11:11:06 AM
see in the IN down got 7 all stars, first one for coulter in 7 years, just shows how long the lad has been plugging away with nothing to show for it - fair play
How do they decide these things? If it covers performances in the championship it's a bit odd to be announcing the winner at a gala dinner before the All Ireland final is played. What if Kalum King for example get MOTM in the final?
If it just covers the Ulster championship; then, as a Down man, I'm very surprised we got 7.
QuoteQuote from: Banana Man on Today at 11:11:06 AM
see in the IN down got 7 all stars, first one for coulter in 7 years, just shows how long the lad has been plugging away with nothing to show for it - fair play
How do they decide these things? If it covers performances in the championship it's a bit odd to be announcing the winner at a gala dinner before the All Ireland final is played. What if Kalum King for example get MOTM in the final?
If it just covers the Ulster championship; then, as a Down man, I'm very surprised we got 7.
Good point Lecale, if it's just based on the ulster championship, 7 is too much if it's based on the entire all-ireland series then it's premature but still if it's all-ireland, all 7 would probably still make it even if they had stinkers!
From today's edition of Pana Pravda:
Lots of talk that Counihan is going to chance Canty like Cody did for Shefflin. Will it work?
CORK football manager Conor Counihan is "fairly optimistic" that captain Graham Canty will be available for selection for the All-Ireland senior football final against Down.
Canty has struggled with a hamstring injury for much of the summer, while fellow veteran Anthony Lynch has also been injured for much of the 2010 campaign, and Fintan Goold is trying to overcome a more recent knock.
At last night's media briefing in the Rochestown Park Hotel, Counihan said: "Yeah we'd be fairly optimistic on that one (Canty).
"Fintan (Goold) seems to be going in the right direction as well and we'll know more about Anthony (Lynch) at the weekend."
Counihan said there was no hard and fast cut-off date by which players would have to prove their fitness.
"I suppose we analyse that on a day-to-day basis. Obviously we'll be making serious decisions on Saturday but if we felt that it needed another couple of days then we'll do that."
Canty himself will try to prove his fitness this weekend: "Yeah, the injury has come on very well in the last couple of weeks, hopefully I'll take part in full training this weekend with a view to being available for selection."
Meanwhile, the manager added that Cork had not gone on any training camps in the run-up to the final.
"Training is pretty standard," said Counihan, "Hopefully the intensity is picking up, but no, we wouldn't be doing anything different.
"We've gone the scenic route in the backdoor so we had a few more weekends than we wanted. Fellas have probably seen enough of one another maybe."
Wing-back Noel O'Leary, meanwhile, said winning the All-Ireland "would be one of the great achievements of my life," adding that Down are playing the better football at this stage and deserve to be favourites.
"The way we're looking at it, it's a different year and a different way of looking at things," said O'Leary. "We're playing for once a different team, and that's a bit of a difference. Down are playing serious football.
"People are rating us on last year, but they are certainly favourites in my eyes going into this game. They are playing the better football, we're not. That's not trying to blow them up or anything, because we feel we're ready to put on a performance the next day. It's going to be a huge battle but we're ready for it.
"We feel the same as we did last year: an All-Ireland final is an All-Ireland final no matter who you are playing. You always look forward to it. "
Asked if Cork are better equipped to win this year, the Cill na Martra man said the new players have "added to the show".
"I suppose you could be equipped as much as you want, but it's all about doing it on the day. Look, things are tipping away. We have a few lads brought in and they are doing the business.
"They are young and mad for it, and they have added to the show. But that's fine and well; on the day, it has to be done and that's what it's all about."
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/counihan-confident-canty-will-face-down-130427.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/counihan-confident-canty-will-face-down-130427.html)
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on September 08, 2010, 02:37:49 PM
Was driving around the South West all last week and you wouldn't have a clue Cork were in an AI final in two weeks such was the lack of colour around the place. There were more Cork flags displayed in the Kingdom than there was in Cork ffs, so may I be the first to say Up Down.
As a native of the South-West, let me explain! Cork is now in its third football final in four years - if we combine senior football and hurling I think Cork has featured in six or seven finals over the last eight years. Therefore, being in an All -Ireland final is no longer a novelty for Cork GAA supporters - hence the lack of hype this year.
Also, Cork people have become very wary of merely reaching a final as we have lost a lot of finals in recent years. In fact, our only two senior victories in the past decade were achieved by the hurlers as far back as '04 and '05. As a result, there has been a reasonably low-key build up to this year's final which I, for one, am glad of.
Furthermore, there's a lot of anxiety around Cork regarding injuries to key footballers. Four or five of the senior players are presently struggling with injury/fitness issues, namely, G. Canty, J. Miskella, N. Murphy, F. Goold and A. Lynch. Hence, we don't know what kind of a Cork team is going to play on Sunday week
Finally, there's considerable psychological pressure on Cork this year as the thought of losing a third final in four years is unbearable. Also, Down are something of an 'unknown quantity' to us as we rarely play them. However, we are well aware of Down's potential - we saw two great displays from Down this year in beating Kerry and Kildare and we know that absolutely anything can happen on the day.
All of this is making for a very anxious build-up to the final for Cork and so we have little appetite for revelry and fanfare at the moment. Then again, this may all change in the next week as supporters begin to show their support for this great Cork team that, despite many setbacks, refuses to give up in their search for that elusive All -Ireland win.
Even with those injuries, Cork have way too much for Down. Ive seen both teams in action this year and I think Cork are a much better side than Down. Down have a tendency to go out of games for long periods, especially their midfield. If Cork can find a way of keeping Clark out of the game they will win this with a bit to spare. There is a huge size difference in both teams also with the Down half forward ling being a lot smaller than the Cork half backs. Corks big game experience will finally see them across the finish line.
Jas376 I think you're right about the low profile in Cork and they are a good team.But to win Sam they will need to be great and clearly there is a doubt.Down aren't the finished article either and a draw can't be ruled out.
I cannot recall a game at senior level since the 94 semi-final,but I can certainly recall the under 21 final last year ( how many with tickets secured were in Portlaoise that day ? ).A bit like now, Cork were a bigger and stronger side who were marginal favourites.However, again like now, Down had excellent natural footballers and a strong management team ( Pete Mc Grath, Mickey Linden, Liam Murphy and Paddy Hardy).Cork dominated the first half but through a mixture of skill and tenacity ( especially from Captain Timmy Hanna), Down were ahead by 2 in the third minute of injury time. A super run and shot by Aidan Walsh saw a block fall into the hands of Colm O'Driscoll -goal and game over. Colm O'Neill and Ciaran Sheehan were the Rebel stars while Paul Mc Comiskey, Pete Fitzpatrick and Conor Maginn played well for Down.
What bearing will this have next week ? I think the three Down lads will bust a gut to win as that defeat was as about as cruel as you could get. Throw in the added value of Marty and Benny and I think we'll shade it- after a replay.
QuoteEven with those injuries, Cork have way too much for Down. Ive seen both teams in action this year and I think Cork are a much better side than Down. Down have a tendency to go out of games for long periods, especially their midfield. If Cork can find a way of keeping Clark out of the game they will win this with a bit to spare. There is a huge size difference in both teams also with the Down half forward ling being a lot smaller than the Cork half backs. Corks big game experience will finally see them across the finish line.
This is a fine example of putting on the blinkers in order to suit an agenda i.e. that you believe Cork will win.
Take
Down have a tendency to go out of games for long periods, especially their midfield as the first instance. Cork haven't dominated a game this year, and since the Munster semi-final, the anonymity of their midfield for long periods has been one of the major reasons why. Meanwhile, Down owned midfield for the middle 50 minutes of both their Croke Park games.
As for
If Cork can find a way of keeping Clark out of the game they will win this with a bit to spare. Perhaps the most notable thing about Down over the past 4-5 game is that although Clarke has been important, Down have excelled as a team - and indeed as a panel. Players like Poland, Hughes, King, Garvey, Rafferty and McKernan have pushed themselves into the frame for All-Stars. Then there's Coulter, who is guaranteed one. That's just not possible if you've got a one man team.
When you say
There is a huge size difference in both teams also with the Down half forward ling being a lot smaller than the Cork half backs, I really don't see how it matters. Height is a useful, but give me skill, determination, speed and energy ahead of it any day. It's not like this is a small Down team. All told, if it's an aerial battle we're going into, I'll take King and Fitzpatrick ahead of anyone Cork is offering.
But perhaps the most baffling is
Corks big game experience will finally see them across the finish line. Not one player in this Cork team has an All-Ireland senior medal, but more than a few have bad memories of collapses and underperforming. So if it's big game experience you want, I'd rather not have Cork's variety of it. If it's a choice between an arrogant Down man or Nicholas "I go missing in Croke Park" Murphy, for a big game, I know who I'll be backing.
Beyond all that, this is a game that will go down to the wire. Right down. I'd be surprised if the last kick of the game isn't a factor. Down are a skilful, energetic team that are on a roll. Cork are an athletic, determined team that have sort of jittered their way here. It's intriguing.
Come on Down!
Spot on thewobbler. And perhaps our neighbour from across the lough could tell us who these big Cork half backs are going to be? Even Con H does not know yet :-\ if we are to believe him
If it's a choice between an arrogant Down man or Nicholas "I go missing in Croke Park" Murphy, for a big game, I know who I'll be backing.
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If you got a hit like he did last year at the start of the match, I think you would go missing too. Time will tell but the reports from training is that Nicholas is in the form of his life.
Marym, Murphy is always in great form until he gets to Croke.
Quote from: marym on September 11, 2010, 01:15:12 PM
If it's a choice between an arrogant Down man or Nicholas "I go missing in Croke Park" Murphy, for a big game, I know who I'll be backing.
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If you got a hit like he did last year at the start of the match, I think you would go missing too. Time will tell but the reports from training is that Nicholas is in the form of his life.
That is fair point Marym. So for the purposes of this hypothetical debate I will ask, would Kalum King have gone missing if hit with Kennelly's cynical foul? I think not
I was just thinking that previous experience of the atmosphere and rigmaroles of All-Ireland finals has never seemed to do Mayo much good.
Murphy won't be starting anyway . He will come in the 2nd half and float between full forward and midfield. Walsh and O Connor will probably start. You probably will remember Walsh , he was the guy that ran up the field to create the goal that won the under 21 match for Cork last year.
Quote from: marym on September 11, 2010, 03:28:40 PM
Murphy won't be starting anyway . He will come in the 2nd half and float between full forward and midfield. Walsh and O Connor will probably start. You probably will remember Walsh , he was the guy that ran up the field to create the goal that won the under 21 match for Cork last year.
Correct Marym, Nicholas Murphy probably will not start on Sunday week but is expected to come on in the course of the game and yes, O Connor and Walsh are expected to start in mid-field.
Before anybody else comments on Nicholas, could they please remember that he is and has been carrying a serious back injury for some time now - I think that it's a 'slipped disc' sort of injury which probably will require surgery once the season is over.
In my opinion Nicholas (along with Canty) has been the outstanding member of this Cork team over the past decade. As the team's best natural fielder of the ball, he has often carried this team on his own especially in the earlier years when Cork's forward division wasn't as strong as it is now - so he owes nothing to Cork supporters. Yes, there have been days when he hasn't performed as well as others but that happens to many players. Also please remember that in big games (especially v Kerry) he has often been the team's 'marked (or double marked) man' and has suffered a lot of abuse as a result.
Also, to all those people who have been critical of Cork football here and elsewhere, let me just cite one statistic that is sustaining us all in hope down here in Cork i.e. only one county has defeated Cork in championship football since 2004.
Now, if only we could maintain that record for just one more game then our mission would be accomplished and everything else would be irrelevant.
I usually look forward to the finals. This year it doesn't bother me one bit. Cork are only there because Dublin's indiscipline, and Down are only there because of a square-ball goal...
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 11, 2010, 08:12:00 PM
I usually look forward to the finals. This year it doesn't bother me one bit. Cork are only there because Dublin's indiscipline, and Down are only there because of a square-ball goal...
... and Mayo, where are they?
It took a lot more than Dublin's indiscipline for Cork to reach another All-Ireland final. These Cork players have ben bursting their guts since last January in their effort to make it to this final so please don't disparage them with such glib comments.
and Kildare were only in the semi final because they beat a poor Meath team and Meath were only there because they beat Louth and its starting to sound like who do you think you are, your great grandmother was Michael Collins Housekeeper and!!!!!
The way is see it.. when the championship started Cork were huge favorites for Sam they regained that status after Down knocked Kerry out! it's now up to Down whom have never lost a Senior Final to defy the odds and beat the favorites
Should be a intriguing encounter but as an neutral i just hope it's a good game of football
Quote from: jas376 on September 11, 2010, 08:15:28 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 11, 2010, 08:12:00 PM
I usually look forward to the finals. This year it doesn't bother me one bit. Cork are only there because Dublin's indiscipline, and Down are only there because of a square-ball goal...
... and Mayo, where are they?
It took a lot more than Dublin's indiscipline for Cork to reach another All-Ireland final. These Cork players have ben bursting their guts since last January in their effort to make it to this final so please don't disparage them with such glib comments.
Had Mayo not lost to Longford, it could have been totally different for Down.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 11, 2010, 09:25:46 PM
Quote from: jas376 on September 11, 2010, 08:15:28 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 11, 2010, 08:12:00 PM
I usually look forward to the finals. This year it doesn't bother me one bit. Cork are only there because Dublin's indiscipline, and Down are only there because of a square-ball goal...
... and Mayo, where are they?
It took a lot more than Dublin's indiscipline for Cork to reach another All-Ireland final. These Cork players have ben bursting their guts since last January in their effort to make it to this final so please don't disparage them with such glib comments.
Had Mayo not lost to Longford, it could have been totally different for Down.
If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle!
QuoteHad Mayo not lost to Longford, it could have been totally different for Down.
honestly, this is the lowest firm of drivel.
Mystic meg with muddled hindsight.
Quote from: thewobbler on September 11, 2010, 09:31:44 PM
QuoteHad Mayo not lost to Longford, it could have been totally different for Down.
honestly, this is the lowest firm of drivel.
Mystic meg with muddled hindsight.
Ah Jaysus, can ya not have fun anymore? You know well my position on Mayo football and we're in crisis. I just said I'd throw in these comments for the craic. That's all...
Maybe I'm just a humourless coconut, but some of the shite about Down's worthiness of an All Ireland Final place is not just wrong, but out of order.
They beat the current champions. They've more than earned it. And they will finish the deal.
Quote from: thewobbler on September 11, 2010, 09:41:47 PM
Maybe I'm just a humourless coconut, but some of the shite about Down's worthiness of an All Ireland Final place is not just wrong, but out of order.
They beat the current champions. They've more than earned it. And they will finish the deal.
I do think Down will beat Cork though, I think the fear of losing yet again will ultimatly be Cork's downfall, whereas Down seem to be there with no baggage and will win yet another final. Jesus if only Mayo had Down's record over the years I'd be a happy man.
Now, thewobbler, i'm surprised at you. Sure it's the nature of these games. For weeks there's the normal wind-uppery. The 7 days beforehand you get the serious stuff.
I was thinking recently that if if if Tyrone had beaten the Jacks and Cork and were now facing the Mourne in the final I'd have hated the build up. Tyrone would have been hot favourites. Down would have nothing to lose, especially after the Casement game earlier in the year. I actually think Down would have taken them.
You shouldn't be surprised O Neill.
Last time Down were in an AIF, the Internet was only an apple in Tim Berners Lee's eye!
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I do think Down will beat Cork though, I think the fear of losing yet again will ultimatly be Cork's downfall,
The fear of losing again will either be Cork's downfall or else it will motivate the Cork players to play like never before.
Yes, most of the psychological pressure is on Cork this time but this Cork team has shown this year that it is now better able to handle such pressure than it was previously. The Cork players' backs were to the wall at some stage in almost all of their games this year - yet they managed to stand tall each time and grind out narrow wins in most of their games.
Now, if only they could do the same just one more time!
Finally, remember that Cork is not facing Kerry this time so the pressure may not be as great as it was last year or in '07. As I already said, Kerrry is the only county to have defeated Cork in the past six years' football championships so Cork doesn't fear any other county as much as it fears Kerry. It's a 'tradition' thing!- the sight of the green and gold jersey in Croke Park just frightens us!
In fairness though, last year in the AI final Cork faced a forward division that included Paul Galvin, Declan O Sullivan, Tadhg Kennelly, Tommy Walsh, Gooch Cooper and one other who I can't name right now (either Kieran Donaghy or Darren O Sullivan, maybe?) and that was just the forwards! Now, I know that the Down forwards are excellent as well but I don't think that they will quite instill the same fear in Cork minds as these Kerry players did somehow.
Also, many of the Cork players are older and more experienced than their Down counterparts so this should help the Cork team's confidence and composure as well.
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Quote from: jas376 on September 11, 2010, 08:15:28 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 11, 2010, 08:12:00 PM
I usually look forward to the finals. This year it doesn't bother me one bit. Cork are only there because Dublin's indiscipline, and Down are only there because of a square-ball goal...
... and Mayo, where are they?
It took a lot more than Dublin's indiscipline for Cork to reach another All-Ireland final. These Cork players have ben bursting their guts since last January in their effort to make it to this final so please don't disparage them with such glib comments.
Had Mayo not lost to Longford, it could have been totally different for Down.
Whilst I remember thinking exactly the same at the match, the fact remains, if your granny bad bollocks...
Of Down's current starting XV and bench there is plenty of All Ireland Final experience.
Garvey, McKernan, Fitzpatrick, McComiskey and Clarke played in the 2005 Minor All Ireland Final. Colgan, Gerard McCartan and Duffin also started on that team.
John Clarke and Benny Coulter played in the 1999 All Ireland Minor Final. Rony Murtagh and Rony Sexton were also starters on that side.
Poland played in the 2005 All Ireland U-21 Final. As did Ambrose Rogers, Conor Laverty, Aidan Carr, Colgan, Marty Clarke and Jason Brown.
Fitzpatrick, Paul Devlin, Conor Maginn and McComiskey played in the 2009 All Ireland U-21 Final.
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 12, 2010, 12:00:27 AM
Of Down's current starting XV and bench there is plenty of All Ireland Final experience.
Garvey, McKernan, Fitzpatrick, McComiskey and Clarke played in the 2005 Minor All Ireland Final. Colgan, Gerard McCartan and Duffin also started on that team.
John Clarke and Benny Coulter played in the 1999 All Ireland Minor Final. Rony Murtagh and Rony Sexton were also starters on that side.
Poland played in the 2005 All Ireland U-21 Final. As did Ambrose Rogers, Conor Laverty, Aidan Carr, Colgan, Marty Clarke and Jason Brown.
Fitzpatrick, Paul Devlin, Conor Maginn and McComiskey played in the 2009 All Ireland U-21 Final.
Fair enough! - not every senior team has had the same under-age experience behind them when facing into an AI senior final as this present Down team has had and this experience will benefit the Down players greatly, no doubt.
With respect, though, under-age and senior are very different propositions. For instance, last year's under- 21 final was played in Portlaoise in front of a few thousand people, not in front of 80,000 in Croke Park. Incidentally, some of the Cork senior players also played in that Under 21 final which Cork won so they should benefit from the experience also.
This year's Cork senior football team is likely to have only three players playing in their first senior AI final next Sunday, namely, Ray Carey, Ciaran Sheehan and Aidan Walsh. The other players will all have previously played some part in at least one football final - not to mention the six semi-finals that Cork has played in over the past six years. So, if Cork loses the final again this year we can't blame it on the lack of big day experience.
Why was Kevin Mussen not captain as well in 1961? Ballykinlar's P Doherty was.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on September 12, 2010, 08:46:16 PM
Why was Kevin Mussen not captain as well in 1961? Ballykinlar's P Doherty was.
Might be something to do with the fact that he wasnt playing Aaron :-\ :-\
Watching todays Camogie final, they didn't seem to see the need to have different colours, it is very difficult to tell Wexford from Galway. I know Camogie is a different association (even if closely related) but the difference in policy is odd.
Quote from: armaghniac on September 12, 2010, 09:18:33 PM
Watching todays Camogie final, they didn't seem to see the need to have different colours, it is very difficult to tell Wexford from Galway. I know Camogie is a different association (even if closely related) but the difference in policy is odd.
I'm surprised half of them didn't just leave when they realised there were other girls there in similar outfits.
I'm surprised half of them didn't just leave when they realised there were other girls there in similar outfits
:D :D :D :D
Quote from: jas376 on September 11, 2010, 10:12:55 PM
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I do think Down will beat Cork though, I think the fear of losing yet again will ultimatly be Cork's downfall,
The fear of losing again will either be Cork's downfall or else it will motivate the Cork players to play like never before.
Yes, most of the psychological pressure is on Cork this time but this Cork team has shown this year that it is now better able to handle such pressure than it was previously. The Cork players' backs were to the wall at some stage in almost all of their games this year - yet they managed to stand tall each time and grind out narrow wins in most of their games.
Now, if only they could do the same just one more time!
Finally, remember that Cork is not facing Kerry this time so the pressure may not be as great as it was last year or in '07. As I already said, Kerrry is the only county to have defeated Cork in the past six years' football championships so Cork doesn't fear any other county as much as it fears Kerry. It's a 'tradition' thing!- the sight of the green and gold jersey in Croke Park just frightens us!
In fairness though, last year in the AI final Cork faced a forward division that included Paul Galvin, Declan O Sullivan, Tadhg Kennelly, Tommy Walsh, Gooch Cooper and one other who I can't name right now (either Kieran Donaghy or Darren O Sullivan, maybe?) and that was just the forwards! Now, I know that the Down forwards are excellent as well but I don't think that they will quite instill the same fear in Cork minds as these Kerry players did somehow.
Also, many of the Cork players are older and more experienced than their Down counterparts so this should help the Cork team's confidence and composure as well.
A huge motivating factor for cork to win on Sunday is the fact that kerry have only beaten Mayo .Galway and Cork in all their all irelands since 1997 and have not been able to stop the northern teams, having said all that ..... ;D ;D up Down
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Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on September 08, 2010, 02:37:49 PM
Was driving around the South West all last week and you wouldn't have a clue Cork were in an AI final in two weeks such was the lack of colour around the place. There were more Cork flags displayed in the Kingdom than there was in Cork ffs, so may I be the first to say Up Down.
As a native of the South-West, let me explain! Cork is now in its third football final in four years - if we combine senior football and hurling I think Cork has featured in six or seven finals over the last eight years. Therefore, being in an All -Ireland final is no longer a novelty for Cork GAA supporters - hence the lack of hype this year.
Also, Cork people have become very wary of merely reaching a final as we have lost a lot of finals in recent years. In fact, our only two senior victories in the past decade were achieved by the hurlers as far back as '04 and '05. As a result, there has been a reasonably low-key build up to this year's final which I, for one, am glad of.
Furthermore, there's a lot of anxiety around Cork regarding injuries to key footballers. Four or five of the senior players are presently struggling with injury/fitness issues, namely, G. Canty, J. Miskella, N. Murphy, F. Goold and A. Lynch. Hence, we don't know what kind of a Cork team is going to play on Sunday week
Finally, there's considerable psychological pressure on Cork this year as the thought of losing a third final in four years is unbearable. Also, Down are something of an 'unknown quantity' to us as we rarely play them. However, we are well aware of Down's potential - we saw two great displays from Down this year in beating Kerry and Kildare and we know that absolutely anything can happen on the day.
All of this is making for a very anxious build-up to the final for Cork and so we have little appetite for revelry and fanfare at the moment. Then again, this may all change in the next week as supporters begin to show their support for this great Cork team that, despite many setbacks, refuses to give up in their search for that elusive All -Ireland win.
Jaysus, it doesn't take much effort to hang a flag out the front of your house, I've never seen such a lack of interest for an AI final from a competing county, the players deserve better
Spotted a girl driving down the Castlereagh Road in east Belfast this morning. That is not unusual.
Her car was flying a Down flag. That is unusual :o
Quote from: Orior on September 13, 2010, 01:37:50 PM
Spotted a girl driving down the Castlereagh Road in east Belfast this morning. That is not unusual.
Her car was flying a Down flag. That is unusual :o
Was parked on one of the roads behind dunnes just before the ormeau bridge, on which the kerbs had been painted red white and blue, whilst two of the cars on the street had down flags on them.
I had posted a bit of this on another thread but long story short
at the new road at the sheepbridge, where the union flags were put up 2 lads from Glenn went and took two down and put up 3 down flags, 2 meat wagons landed in and arrested the rebels for breach of the peace, incitement and illegal flying of flags
a day later the down flags were down and a union flag an st Andrew flag were in their place and no one arrested - ridiculous >:(
Quote from: Banana Man on September 13, 2010, 02:10:04 PM
I had posted a bit of this on another thread but long story short
at the new road at the sheepbridge, where the union flags were put up 2 lads from Glenn went and took two down and put up 3 down flags, 2 meat wagons landed in and arrested the rebels for breach of the peace, incitement and illegal flying of flags
a day later the down flags were down and a union flag an st Andrew flag were in their place and no one arrested - ridiculous >:(
Was by there on sat and thought the flags had changed. Obviously someone local is keeping an eye on those. Arent those union flags meant to be removed by the end of august each year.
You would travel along the m1 and would only see a few flags at sheepbridge and on up at the turn off for Dromintine .
Im exiled in Dublin the flags are flying proudly out the house window, a few neighbours have shouted up down at me. Noticed a few cars around the city with Down Flags on them also.
felt a little uneasy driving round lisburn with my flags out en route to airport the other day. did get a few odd looks
Quote from: rossglass on September 13, 2010, 03:46:10 PM
felt a little uneasy driving round lisburn with my flags out en route to airport the other day. did get a few odd looks
I don't have any Down stuff in my car - but insdie my house thats different - there is a few bits and pieces scattered around!
Living off the Lisburn road in Bellfast so decided against the flags etc - but I do have the Down CD's on when i'm out driving around
My mum won't let me fly a flag from my house at home either - in case it offends the neighbours - and we live in Castlewellan!
And i've been wearing red and black to work a lot recently!
After studying the game at the weekend,
Cork will win by at least 5 points.
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Quote from: Apple Crumble on September 13, 2010, 05:04:58 PM
After studying the game at the weekend,
Cork will win by at least 5 points.
Apple, after studying so hard, I am interested to how you came to your conclusion ?
Cork are a good team. Better than what they have been playing. They are a bigger team and are due a good performance.
Though, I could be wrong.
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Jaysus, it doesn't take much effort to hang a flag out the front of your house,
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Jaysus, sure maybe I will so - even though flags don't win All Irelands, as we know too well from experience.
If Cork win, will they get any All-Stars? ???
Because right now, I'm struggling to think of a single Cork player that deserves one.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 13, 2010, 09:11:48 PM
If Cork win, will they get any All-Stars? ???
Because right now, I'm struggling to think of a single Cork player that deserves one.
Paddy Kelly, if he has a good final will get one and possibly Kerrigan. Shields is the only other IMO.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 13, 2010, 09:11:48 PM
If Cork win, will they get any All-Stars? ???
Because right now, I'm struggling to think of a single Cork player that deserves one.
If Cork wins on Sunday, it will get many All- Stars - the winning team always does.
If Cork loses, it will get very few as Cork's performances to date have not impressed many neutral viewers.
Michael Clifford in today's Daily Mail picked his All Star team for this year based on performances to date and didn't include a sinlge Cork player on his team. His team compised four Down players, three from both Dublin and Kildare, two from Tyrone and one from each of Kerry, Louth and Sligo. This type of journalism suits Cork very well in the lead up to next Sunday, by the way.
I agree with a previous poster that Kelly, Kerrigan and Shields a are the most likely Cork players to win awards but next Sunday will determine a lot. Another possibility is Paudie Kissane as he has won two 'man of the match' awards so far this year.
Quote from: jas376 on September 13, 2010, 09:45:12 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 13, 2010, 09:11:48 PM
If Cork win, will they get any All-Stars? ???
Because right now, I'm struggling to think of a single Cork player that deserves one.
If Cork wins on Sunday, it will get many All- Stars - the winning team always does.
If Cork loses, it will get very few as Cork's performances to date have not impressed many neutral viewers.
Michael Clifford in today's Daily Mail picked his All Star team for this year based on performances to date and didn't include a sinlge Cork player on his team. His team compised four Down players, three from both Dublin and Kildare, two from Tyrone and one from each of Kerry, Louth and Sligo. This type of journalism suits Cork very well in the lead up to next Sunday, by the way.
I agree with a previous poster that Kelly, Kerrigan and Shields a are the most likely Cork players to win awards but next Sunday will determine a lot. Another possibility is Paudie Kissane as he has won two 'man of the match' awards so far this year.
If anyone thinks Graham Canty isn't in line for an allstar they are deluding themselves
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If anyone thinks Graham Canty isn't in line for an allstar they are deluding themselves
Maybe, but his injury might affect his chances. The fact that he had to be taken off v Dublin won't help him for one thing.
Also, the word down here at the moment is that Canty won't play at all on Sunday - apparently he was miles off the pace at the team's final 'hard' training session at the weekend and the thinking is that Counihan won't risk playing an unfit player again.
If this is the case, then I wouldn't have much hope for his chances of winning an All-Star.
Was in the Canal Court in Newry on Sunday. Seems to be a sense of quiet optimism round Down for Sunday ( aside from adverts for Sunday night's celebratory disco).
I know my nerves were gone back in 2002 the week before the final but you have to hand it to the Down boys, they are not lacking in confidence. If the players go into the game with this frame of mind and make a good start they have a great chance.
Cork made a great start last year and blew up but they will need to make another good start and learn from their mistakes.
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on September 13, 2010, 09:53:07 PM
Quote from: jas376 on September 13, 2010, 09:45:12 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 13, 2010, 09:11:48 PM
If Cork win, will they get any All-Stars? ???
Because right now, I'm struggling to think of a single Cork player that deserves one.
If Cork wins on Sunday, it will get many All- Stars - the winning team always does.
If Cork loses, it will get very few as Cork's performances to date have not impressed many neutral viewers.
Michael Clifford in today's Daily Mail picked his All Star team for this year based on performances to date and didn't include a sinlge Cork player on his team. His team compised four Down players, three from both Dublin and Kildare, two from Tyrone and one from each of Kerry, Louth and Sligo. This type of journalism suits Cork very well in the lead up to next Sunday, by the way.
I agree with a previous poster that Kelly, Kerrigan and Shields a are the most likely Cork players to win awards but next Sunday will determine a lot. Another possibility is Paudie Kissane as he has won two 'man of the match' awards so far this year.
If anyone thinks Graham Canty isn't in line for an allstar they are deluding themselves
An Allstar for what?
Quote from: jas376 on September 13, 2010, 09:45:12 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 13, 2010, 09:11:48 PM
If Cork win, will they get any All-Stars? ???
Because right now, I'm struggling to think of a single Cork player that deserves one.
If Cork wins on Sunday, it will get many All- Stars - the winning team always does.
If Cork loses, it will get very few as Cork's performances to date have not impressed many neutral viewers.
Michael Clifford in today's Daily Mail picked his All Star team for this year based on performances to date and didn't include a sinlge Cork player on his team. His team compised four Down players, three from both Dublin and Kildare, two from Tyrone and one from each of Kerry, Louth and Sligo. This type of journalism suits Cork very well in the lead up to next Sunday, by the way.
I agree with a previous poster that Kelly, Kerrigan and Shields a are the most likely Cork players to win awards but next Sunday will determine a lot. Another possibility is Paudie Kissane as he has won two 'man of the match' awards so far this year.
I don't think it does, Cork have shown over the years that they are mentally brittle. The media last year (with the ex Kerry players as the ringleaders) repeatedly reported that the Kerry team weren't good enough to win the AI. Tell a Kerryman that he's not good enough and he'll prove you wrong, tell this Cork team and they'll start believing you. I think they will struggle to get up to their semi-final performance (which wasn't that great) and whether it was enough will depend on what Down team turns up. I know a few Cork lads and they are not at all confident, Cork will find it next to impossible to turn it around IMO.
Cork were a good team last year. Why is everybody assuming that they're still as good, given that they haven't produced anything remarkable since last year's semi-final? Form doesn't necessarily last for 12 months and I don't see any basis for suggestions that we only have to wait for Cork to turn it on. It could happen and maybe they are as good as they were, but I'd suggest there's no evidence for it and that's not the way to bet.
Anyone who's seen them this year couldn't be impressed. Anyone who hadn't seen them until this year and wasn't influenced by the knowledge that they WERE a good team would be entitled to consider Down as strong favourites on this year's form.
I think they still are a good team Hardy as their league campaign shows (I know it was only the league but they were still head and shoulders above everyone else). Injuries to key players have really disrupted their season, case in point being Miskella at wing back, they have really missed his driving runs this year. However I agree that their form is nowhere near last years and they will find it impossible to turn it on for the final.
Win or lose on Sunday they'll be there or thereabouts again next season, a good team with more excellent prospects on the way. They may need a change of manager to get them over the line though, really disappointed with Counihan this year.
Quote from: Hardy on September 14, 2010, 12:29:13 PM
Cork were a good team last year. Why is everybody assuming that they're still as good, given that they haven't produced anything remarkable since last year's semi-final? Form doesn't necessarily last for 12 months and I don't see any basis for suggestions that we only have to wait for Cork to turn it on. It could happen and maybe they are as good as they were, but I'd suggest there's no evidence for it and that's not the way to bet.
Anyone who's seen them this year couldn't be impressed. Anyone who hadn't seen them until this year and wasn't influenced by the knowledge that they WERE a good team would be entitled to consider Down as strong favourites on this year's form.
I'm not sure about that.
In the provincial championships: Cork were pipped after a replay and extra time. Down were fairly comprehensively thrown aside in Ulster.
In the qualifiers: Cork hammered Cavan and Wexford but struggled with Limerick. Down hammered Sligo but struggled with Longford and Offaly.
In the quarters: Both pulled away from their opponents fairly easily in the end.
In the semis: Both pipped their opponents afters close games.
Perhaps Down have beaten better quality opposition, but I don't see a great chasm in form. I think Cork's underperfromance has been exaggerated by many this year.
Win or lose on Sunday they'll be there or thereabouts again next season, a good team with more excellent prospects on the way. They may need a change of manager to get them over the line though, really disappointed with Counihan this year.
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Conor buried his brother last week. Conor's parents still alive so a young man by all accounts. Not easy by any means to try and focus in on looking after a team with all this going on.
Quote from: marym on September 14, 2010, 01:10:48 PM
Conor buried his brother last week. Conor's parents still alive so a young man by all accounts. Not easy by any means to try and focus in on looking after a team with all this going on.
I hadn't heard that. Sincere condolences to Conor, whether Cork win on Sunday or not, it will pale into insignificance for him. I know which I would rather have.
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Quote from: marym on September 14, 2010, 01:10:48 PM
Conor buried his brother last week. Conor's parents still alive so a young man by all accounts. Not easy by any means to try and focus in on looking after a team with all this going on.
I hadn't heard that. Sincere condolences to Conor, whether Cork win on Sunday or not, it will pale into insignificance for him. I know which I would rather have.
Didn't know that either, would explain why Conor hasn't looked as assured as last year, shocking news, may he rest in peace
Quote from: AFS on September 14, 2010, 12:59:34 PM
I'm not sure about that.
In the provincial championships: Cork were pipped after a replay and extra time. Down were fairly comprehensively thrown aside in Ulster.
In the qualifiers: Cork hammered Cavan and Wexford but struggled with Limerick. Down hammered Sligo but struggled with Longford and Offaly.
In the quarters: Both pulled away from their opponents fairly easily in the end.
In the semis: Both pipped their opponents afters close games.
Perhaps Down have beaten better quality opposition, but I don't see a great chasm in form. I think Cork's underperfromance has been exaggerated by many this year.
Very well put together AFS and probably goes to show that there really is little enough to choose between the two teams .
A lot has been made of form and past performances here but I don't think that ultimately they matter an awful lot . To use the well worn cliche 'it all comes down to what happens on the day'
Cork has been criticised a lot for the quality of its perfomances this year but peole forget that it competed in many deceptively difficult games and came through them all pretty well.. The two games v Kerry and the games v Wexford in Wexford (in the rain), v Lmerick in Limerick and v Dublin in Dublin were all diffficult, dogged fixtures partially because more and more teams are now using the 'blanket defence' strategy which in my opinion is in danger of ruining football as a spectacle.
Sport is all about winning - the quality of the performance and the winning margin matter less to the competing teams.
I know that Cork will be happy with a poor performance and a one point margin on Sunday as long as it gets over the line at the end and that's how it's been all season.
3 days left in work and I have to say it is absolute torture. Ever waken second thinking and praying Ambrose will be lifting Sam come Sunday, not collecting ticket till Friday which is also adding to the anxiety. Is anyone else feeling the pressure I'm sure Im not alone!!!
Quote from: Class of 99 on September 14, 2010, 06:12:30 PM
3 days left in work and I have to say it is absolute torture. Ever waken second thinking and praying Ambrose will be lifting Sam come Sunday, not collecting ticket till Friday which is also adding to the anxiety. Is anyone else feeling the pressure I'm sure Im not alone!!!
Yep - i'm feeling it too - imagine how much the team must be feelingm if we're feeling like this about it!
At lease you have a ticket to collect on Friday - i'm still looking
I think a myth has grown up about Down's performance in Tullamore. With no disrespect to the Offaly men ( particularly AZ who is balanced and fair) I don't think Down were ever going to lose that game.Three points to consider First of all there was the balls up with the bus going to Mullingar. Second , one of the few bad calls made all year by management in not spotting that the Offaly corner forward and 5 foot nothing John Reynolds took big Dan to the wing for their goal in the first minute . Third, the only bad substitution (apart from bringing on Aidan Brannigan V Kildare) the management made all year was to take off our best player on the night- John Clarke- and put us under needless pressure for the last 10 minutes.
Another myth is that Down were up against a depressed Sligo team.Sligo were well up for it and outnumbered the Down support by about 4 or 5 to 1. The performance that night was close to perfect and many of us realised then that this year was special. So , while Cork are clearly a more experienced and physical team, the whole is less than the sum of the parts; since Kingspan Breffni Down are much greater than the sum of the individual players.Give me a good team over a collection of good players any day.
Agree with a lot of that but surely that is a little harsh on Brannigan. Despite a one or two nervous looking moments I thought he did a decent job trekking Doyle
Quote from: Minus15 on September 14, 2010, 07:48:24 PM
Agree with a lot of that but surely that is a little harsh on Brannigan. Despite a one or two nervous looking moments I thought he did a decent job trekking Doyle
I agree. It was horses for courses and Choc was best suited to mark Doyle as Garvey was struggling.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on September 14, 2010, 12:15:55 PM
This type of journalism suits Cork very well in the lead up to next Sunday, by the way.
I don't think it does, Cork have shown over the years that they are mentally brittle. The media last year (with the ex Kerry players as the ringleaders) repeatedly reported that the Kerry team weren't good enough to win the AI. Tell a Kerryman that he's not good enough and he'll prove you wrong, tell this Cork team and they'll start believing you. I think they will struggle to get up to their semi-final performance (which wasn't that great) and whether it was enough will depend on what Down team turns up. I know a few Cork lads and they are not at all confident, Cork will find it next to impossible to turn it around IMO.
I think the 'mentally brittle' tag has been overstated. If Cork is so mentally brittle how are they back in their third AI final in four years, contested six consecutive AI semi- finals and only lost to one team in the championship since '04.
Cork has been 'mentally brittle' when facing Kerry only, simply because, in my opinion, Kerry has had better footballers than Cork in recent years - talent always wins out in the end. Also, Kerry always play above themselves when facing Cork.,such is the rivalry between the two counties.
This Cork team has shown a lot of mental strength this year by eking out narrow wins in difficult circumstances. I don't think that this young Down team will really trouble Cork psychologically before the game. Down are good but they're not unbeatable.
Nor do I think that Cork would be unduly worried by negative media criticism. Infact some of the things that have been said about them will be used to motivate them that's why I think negative media coverage could help Cork this year.
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on September 14, 2010, 08:11:35 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on September 14, 2010, 07:48:24 PM
Agree with a lot of that but surely that is a little harsh on Brannigan. Despite a one or two nervous looking moments I thought he did a decent job trekking Doyle
I agree. It was horses for courses and Choc was best suited to mark Doyle as Garvey was struggling.
Garvey was actually injured in the shoulder, so it was a forced substitution. Brannigan is their first choice replacement at wing back, with O'Hagan next in line.
I'm all for the traditional Down cockiness, its good, but we must not allow this to blur the facts facing us in Sunday's challenge. This Cork team are serious opposition and we are rightly underdogs.
I am in little doubt Down will win but!!! should Cork find ther 2009 form that has deserted them so far this year we stand to lose our proud record of never been beaten in an AIF. If that is the case then fair fecks to Cork (always liked them anyway). From 1 - 15 (or 20) they have the bigger, stronger more experienced squad than us and, were it not a final, my money would be on Cork.
But it is a final so we have a real chance and we are quite good at finals. We have a skillful set of forwards, an organised defensive system, a competitive midfield and a useful bench. Cork have these as well so hopefully, together they will dish us up a great final of open attacking football. Can't wait.
To all Down heads I say keep up the craic, enjoy the banter but, especially on this, the only sensible thread on the go at the moment, lets keep it real, fact based and most of all mutually respectful.
Take the slagging, shitetalk and banter to Hardstation's and Trout's threads instead. They will believe anything you post.
ps: need one more ticket badly - any offers please pm me?
Quote from: Dubh driocht on September 14, 2010, 07:40:46 PM
.Sligo were well up for it and outnumbered the Down support by about 4 or 5 to 1.
A crowd of 8,000 I believe so about 1,500 Down followers.
Ought to be plenty of spare tickets around Sunday so. ::)
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on September 14, 2010, 09:48:12 PM
ps: need one more ticket badly - any offers please pm me?
arent you lucky to have one. no sign of any yet
Quote from: Dubh driocht on September 14, 2010, 07:40:46 PM
I think a myth has grown up about Down's performance in Tullamore. With no disrespect to the Offaly men ( particularly AZ who is balanced and fair) I don't think Down were ever going to lose that game.Three points to consider First of all there was the balls up with the bus going to Mullingar. Second , one of the few bad calls made all year by management in not spotting that the Offaly corner forward and 5 foot nothing John Reynolds took big Dan to the wing for their goal in the first minute . Third, the only bad substitution (apart from bringing on Aidan Brannigan V Kildare) the management made all year was to take off our best player on the night- John Clarke- and put us under needless pressure for the last 10 minutes.
Another myth is that Down were up against a depressed Sligo team.Sligo were well up for it and outnumbered the Down support by about 4 or 5 to 1. The performance that night was close to perfect and many of us realised then that this year was special. So , while Cork are clearly a more experienced and physical team, the whole is less than the sum of the parts; since Kingspan Breffni Down are much greater than the sum of the individual players.Give me a good team over a collection of good players any day.
I was at that match and ther e was no way down were going to lose Provided Offaly kept missing sitters. Though i dont think cork have any songle forward as good as Mcnamee then again neither do Down but they Cork have a much better spread of talent. which its doubtful Down will be able for
Quote from: Rossfan on September 14, 2010, 09:51:06 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on September 14, 2010, 07:40:46 PM
.Sligo were well up for it and outnumbered the Down support by about 4 or 5 to 1.
A crowd of 8,000 I believe so about 1,500 Down followers.
Ought to be plenty of spare tickets around Sunday so. ::)
Thought the crowd was about 50/50 for that match point remains a valid one though about the spare tickets.
Have to agree with Onion Bag. After the euphoria of the semi final win and now the final is almost here the actual realisation of facing Cork on Sunday is sinking in. The psycological babble bout brittleness on the Cork side and tradition of not losing final on the Down side is crap. Its all about the performance of the players and the choices the management teams make on the day.
In terms of decision making during the game I think the Down backroom team had only one poor outing this year, yes it was the tyrone game!. I would have faith in wee James making necessary changes early on depending on Cork game plan i.e. continuing the running game or moving to the long high ball into the full forward line.
It appears the Cork players dragged themelves to the final despite the Cork backroom teams shortcomings or indecision. Both teams will go onto the Field thinking they can win. I hope we get a showpiece final a sore head and no voice for three days.
Sunday game on Sunday night showed Down's fullback line and their weakness under the high ball. Cork full forward Sheehan is very good in the air. Also against Dublin Nicholas Murphy was floating in and out .
The big question to me is. Will Cork take anything from the cynicism of their opponents in last years all ireland final. Nobody expected Kerry to try to remove the heads of the Cork Lads last year -- thats what they did. When a game is between 2 football teams its usually the team that changes tactics, hits the hardest and is prepared to do anything to win that wins. Are either of these teams prepared to get down and dirty...
Quote from: marym on September 15, 2010, 10:29:55 AM
Sunday game on Sunday night showed Down's fullback line and their weakness under the high ball. Cork full forward Sheehan is very good in the air. Also against Dublin Nicholas Murphy was floating in and out .
I did not see the Sunday Game this week. But, the high ball would indeed be a weakness of Dan McCartan, which Kildare exploited to their best ability. However, it would be a strength of Dan Gordan who will most likely pick up Sheehan.
From Seán Moran in the Irish Times
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For the first time in eight years the All-Ireland will be won by a county that is not Kerry or Tyrone. Cork have been contenders for most of that period. Their fate against Kerry is known, but on the only occasion they were asked to play the other outstanding team in the game, Tyrone, they won comfortably last year.
There is no particular reason, in other words, for Cork to be considered unreliable in the face of any opposition other than Kerry, which for the past decade has been fielding outstanding teams and picking up five All-Irelands.
Interestingly, Cork don't appear to suffer from the same inhibitions as Kerry when it comes to playing Ulster counties. By this stage, the latter have played 10 finals against northern opposition and have returned only a 40 per cent success rate. From more limited exposure – three finals – Cork are 66 per cent.
Even in recent years since the new system has been introduced Kerry have faced Ulster opposition eight times in the All-Ireland stages, from quarter-finals up, and have lost five, whereas Cork are three from three.
...
Of course he cannot compare statistics for Down as this is the first year that they have been involved in the All-Ireland stages from quarter-finals up. 100% record so far 8)
Quote from: rrhf on September 15, 2010, 11:07:44 AM
The big question to me is. Will Cork take anything from the cynicism of their opponents in last years all ireland final. Nobody expected Kerry to try to remove the heads of the Cork Lads last year -- thats what they did. When a game is between 2 football teams its usually the team that changes tactics, hits the hardest and is prepared to do anything to win that wins. Are either of these teams prepared to get down and dirty...
Fair question. (I assume from your implication that "down and dirty" means "cynical foul play"). I don't think Down are prepared to. It might just be Corks best chance of winning though ??? Lets hope they don't, and both teams have a brilliant football battle.
Completely off-topic, but I know James McCartan senior was from Donaghcloney. How did the current manager end up with Burren? Did the family leave Donaghcloney and move down Burren way?
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 15, 2010, 11:51:50 AM
Completely off-topic, but I know James McCartan senior was from Donaghcloney. How did the current manager end up with Burren? Did the family leave Donaghcloney and move down Burren way?
Be careful not to open a can of worms! ;)
Short answer is, that Wee James transferred to Burren after the heart of a local lady. He formally played for Tullylish.
Just getting back to Downs fullback line. Irish Examiner today and training sessions would suggest Dan Gordan will be on Donnacha O Connor with Sheehan in the corner.
Quote from: artisan2010 on September 15, 2010, 08:24:57 AM
Have to agree with Onion Bag. After the euphoria of the semi final win and now the final is almost here the actual realisation of facing Cork on Sunday is sinking in. The psycological babble bout brittleness on the Cork side and tradition of not losing final on the Down side is crap. Its all about the performance of the players and the choices the management teams make on the day.
In terms of decision making during the game I think the Down backroom team had only one poor outing this year, yes it was the tyrone game!. I would have faith in wee James making necessary changes early on depending on Cork game plan i.e. continuing the running game or moving to the long high ball into the full forward line.
It appears the Cork players dragged themelves to the final despite the Cork backroom teams shortcomings or indecision. Both teams will go onto the Field thinking they can win. I hope we get a showpiece final a sore head and no voice for three days.
Totally agree there. What Down done in the 60s or the 90s has no relevance what so ever and you can bet that it will not be mentioned in the Down changing room on Sunday.
Cork have stumbled and mis-fired their way into this final and they have yet to get near the form that put Tyrone out last year. If they find that form on Sunday I fear we are in for a Final similar to that of 2006.
rubbish on the 2 points - all those in the know are downplaying the Down tradition, it is the main reason why they have the confidence in pushing on in Croke Park, that Cockiness that dosent exude from a Fermanagh, Westmeath or Kildare man in Croke Park. People have talked for 40 years about Downs ability to fly high in all ireland finals and you guys dont think it matters - such a load of crap. If you dont think tradition counts EC look at your own county - why do these young fine footballing Errigal Ciaran teams for the most part flounder whilst Carrickmore men at 35 - 40 years old have been beating youse for fun all these years... tradition sir.
Rubbish (ec point 2) but for a referee that was ridiculously one sided last year - and Harte messing up the deal with Cavanagh- Tyrone would have done 2 in a row. Watch that game again to see how misfunctioning Tyrone were. Harte had a crap game that day as well.
Quote from: western exile on September 15, 2010, 11:56:23 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 15, 2010, 11:51:50 AM
Completely off-topic, but I know James McCartan senior was from Donaghcloney. How did the current manager end up with Burren? Did the family leave Donaghcloney and move down Burren way?
Be careful not to open a can of worms! ;)
Short answer is, that Wee James transferred to Burren after the heart of a local lady. He formally played for Tullylish.
So is he now a resident of Burren or does he live up the Donaghcloney way? Is James Snr still about there?
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 15, 2010, 12:29:32 PM
Quote from: western exile on September 15, 2010, 11:56:23 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 15, 2010, 11:51:50 AM
Completely off-topic, but I know James McCartan senior was from Donaghcloney. How did the current manager end up with Burren? Did the family leave Donaghcloney and move down Burren way?
Be careful not to open a can of worms! ;)
Short answer is, that Wee James transferred to Burren after the heart of a local lady. He formally played for Tullylish.
So is he now a resident of Burren or does he live up the Donaghcloney way? Is James Snr still about there?
Yes, resident of Burren. afaik James Snr is still in Donaghcloney
Quote from: western exile on September 15, 2010, 12:38:51 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 15, 2010, 12:29:32 PM
Quote from: western exile on September 15, 2010, 11:56:23 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 15, 2010, 11:51:50 AM
Completely off-topic, but I know James McCartan senior was from Donaghcloney. How did the current manager end up with Burren? Did the family leave Donaghcloney and move down Burren way?
Be careful not to open a can of worms! ;)
Short answer is, that Wee James transferred to Burren after the heart of a local lady. He formally played for Tullylish.
So is he now a resident of Burren or does he live up the Donaghcloney way? Is James Snr still about there?
Yes, resident of Burren. afaik James Snr is still in Donaghcloney
i thought James senior now lives in Mayobridge/Saval??
Was James senior not originally a Glenn man, i know he played for Glenn.
Quote from: rrhf on September 15, 2010, 12:17:54 PMRubbish (ec point 2) but for a referee that was ridiculously one sided last year - and Harte messing up the deal with Cavanagh- Tyrone would have done 2 in a row. Watch that game again to see how misfunctioning Tyrone were. Harte had a crap game that day as well.
In other words, Tyrone would've won but for the fact that they weren't good enough to win. Excellent.
Quote from: western exile on September 15, 2010, 11:56:23 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 15, 2010, 11:51:50 AM
Completely off-topic, but I know James McCartan senior was from Donaghcloney. How did the current manager end up with Burren? Did the family leave Donaghcloney and move down Burren way?
Be careful not to open a can of worms! ;)
Short answer is, that Wee James transferred to Burren after the heart of a local lady. He formally played for Tullylish.
Changed times. No mention of the caravan. ;) He is a `point man now, he still doesnt live in Burren.
Quote from: rrhf on September 15, 2010, 12:17:54 PM
rubbish on the 2 points - all those in the know are downplaying the Down tradition, it is the main reason why they have the confidence in pushing on in Croke Park, that Cockiness that dosent exude from a Fermanagh, Westmeath or Kildare man in Croke Park. People have talked for 40 years about Downs ability to fly high in all ireland finals and you guys dont think it matters - such a load of crap. If you dont think tradition counts EC look at your own county - why do these young fine footballing Errigal Ciaran teams for the most part flounder whilst Carrickmore men at 35 - 40 years old have been beating youse for fun all these years... tradition sir.
Rubbish (ec point 2) but for a referee that was ridiculously one sided last year - and Harte messing up the deal with Cavanagh- Tyrone would have done 2 in a row. Watch that game again to see how misfunctioning Tyrone were. Harte had a crap game that day as well.
If your talking about finals yes it is five out of five, no Down will not feel inferior when they step on the field but does it make each player feel they have god given right to win. Does it give them an advantage in decision making on the field or in a 50-50 ball. Your point re the other counties is let down by the examples you give.
wee James lives in warrenpoint and James senior lives in mayobridge/saval
Sure its getting difficult to know where the point starts and Burren ends or the other way round. Is Burren a Parish in its own right now?
Was always Burren for Football and the point for sandcastles or has all the sand gone on holiday to greenore again
You cant build sand castles from stone. Have you ever seen any sand in the point? Wee James is a Moygannon man, definitely not in Burren.
Did Newry and Mourne Council not truck sand in each year and dump it beside the old swimming baths. The tide washd it out over the course of the year and the council bought the same sand again. Or is that just a myth
They did that back in the 70s or 80s.
great to see newry all decked out in red and black but pity that come monday it will be back to being a soccer town.
Quote from: naka on September 15, 2010, 03:25:16 PM
great to see newry all decked out in red and black but pity that come monday it will be back to being a soccer town.
Just a matter of interest Naka....is your handle in honour of a certain Japanese hoop wearing SOCCER player??
Quote from: naka on September 15, 2010, 03:25:16 PM
great to see newry all decked out in red and black but pity that come monday it will be back to being a soccer town.
Good luck message in Newry Democrat from Newry City FC - fair play to them.
Fair play to Newry Town.
Quote from: jas376
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Also, to all those people who have been critical of Cork football here and elsewhere, let me just cite one statistic that is sustaining us all in hope down here in Cork i.e. only one county has defeated Cork in championship football since 2004.
Now, if only we could maintain that record for just one more game then our mission would be accomplished and everything else would be irrelevant.
valid stat okay. Nor, in same years, have Cork played a team good enough to have beaten Kerry 8) until next Sunday
Quote from: western exile on September 15, 2010, 08:00:40 PM
Quote from: jas376
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Also, to all those people who have been critical of Cork football here and elsewhere, let me just cite one statistic that is sustaining us all in hope down here in Cork i.e. only one county has defeated Cork in championship football since 2004.
Now, if only we could maintain that record for just one more game then our mission would be accomplished and everything else would be irrelevant.
valid stat okay. Nor, in same years, have Cork played a team good enough to have beaten Kerry 8) until next Sunday
Fair play, Good point! The answer is no, it hasn't. Sunday will be the first time,as far as I know, which makes it all the more intriguing.
What's this crap about wee James being a Lish man, a point man or a Burren man and what does it matter esp on this thread.
I couldn't give a fiddler's feck. I wouldn't care if he's from timbuctoo so long as he keeps on with the unbelieveable job he has done so far this year. I for one cetainly didn't think we would be where we are this Sunday when he was appointed -I was wrong big time.
Quote from: Mourne Rover on August 30, 2010, 11:29:20 PM
Dromara Gael is quite right about Down wearing an all black strip against Cork in the NFL but it is going back quite a while - probably around 25 years. My recollection is that the game may have been played in Castlewellan and I have a notion that the great Tommy McGovern might have got a rare score for us late on.
1982 it was, and Tommy McGovern scored 1-1, it finished Down 1-6 Cork 2-3
(http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/2416/corkdown82.jpg)
Does anyone else think it unwise for the Down players to be attending so many functions in the week before a final. Between fund raising functions, School visits and media gatherings, they must be sapping up their mental and physical energy. The increased sense of expectation which they are being exposed too throughout the County, must also be increasing the pressure on them, and diverting their focus.
I fancy Cork for this match - just have a feeling that all this talk about 100% records might have an impact on the Down players, if only subconsciously.
Quote from: Pangurban on September 16, 2010, 02:14:06 AM
Does anyone else think it unwise for the Down players to be attending so many functions in the week before a final. Between fund raising functions, School visits and media gatherings, they must be sapping up their mental and physical energy. The increased sense of expectation which they are being exposed too throughout the County, must also be increasing the pressure on them, and diverting their focus.
I totally agree with this comment and was considering making the point myself. I've been struck by the amount of press the playes have been involved in, even for the run up to an all ireland final, their seems to be a 2/3 functions attended every issue of the Irish News ive glanced through!!
The media really are getting great mileage out of them, if I were a Down man I wouldnt mind them being at a few functions as they should be relaxed in the run up, but this carte blanche approach to everything going media wise would worry me!
Really hope Down do it by the way, big admirer of the way they play when they get the swagger back
Quote from: CompulsoryTillager on September 16, 2010, 02:11:47 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on August 30, 2010, 11:29:20 PM
Dromara Gael is quite right about Down wearing an all black strip against Cork in the NFL but it is going back quite a while - probably around 25 years. My recollection is that the game may have been played in Castlewellan and I have a notion that the great Tommy McGovern might have got a rare score for us late on.
1982 it was, and Tommy McGovern scored 1-1, it finished Down 1-6 Cork 2-3
(http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/2416/corkdown82.jpg)
Think I was at that game, do you have the full teams Tillager? I have a vague recollection of a less than svelte Christy Ryan playing full forward for Cork.
Quote from: whiskeysteve on September 16, 2010, 09:22:55 AM
Quote from: Pangurban on September 16, 2010, 02:14:06 AM
Does anyone else think it unwise for the Down players to be attending so many functions in the week before a final. Between fund raising functions, School visits and media gatherings, they must be sapping up their mental and physical energy. The increased sense of expectation which they are being exposed too throughout the County, must also be increasing the pressure on them, and diverting their focus.
I totally agree with this comment and was considering making the point myself. I've been struck by the amount of press the players have been involved in, even for the run up to an all ireland final, their seems to be a 2/3 functions attended every issue of the Irish News ive glanced through!!
The media really are getting great mileage out of them, if I were a Down man I wouldnt mind them being at a few functions as they should be relaxed in the run up, but this carte blanche approach to everything going media wise would worry me!
Really hope Down do it by the way, big admirer of the way they play when they get the swagger back
Have to agree with all of that it looks like there doing the functions most teams do after winning the All Ireland rather than before it. You can agree with the breakfast/golf function in order to raise funds but to be going back to there old schools, promoting new businesses its ridiculous. Hopefully it doesn't come back to bite them.
Are the same players going round all the functions though? If they're spreading the load around a bit then it shouldn't bother them too much.
wat happened to the media ban wee James imposed before the semi final on the players?
back of the irish news seems to think that rodgers is definitley out and canty will start, hope they are wrong on rodgers, i hope they are right on canty, can't see him being up to the task of detailing marty clark given his layoff, a fully fit canty yes but one that has a dodgey hammie and not at full pelt training would i think struggle
having said that no doubt canty will still have a stormer, a legend of a man, would love to see himget a celtic cross (just not this year :D )
Quote from: rrhf on September 15, 2010, 11:07:44 AM
The big question to me is. Will Cork take anything from the cynicism of their opponents in last years all ireland final. Nobody expected Kerry to try to remove the heads of the Cork Lads last year -- thats what they did. When a game is between 2 football teams its usually the team that changes tactics, hits the hardest and is prepared to do anything to win that wins. Are either of these teams prepared to get down and dirty...
Here is James McCartan's answer to your question in today's papers....
"There is no doubt that Cork have a huge panel and are huge physically as well and it is going to take a huge game from us to try and win this.
They are probably the biggest team about. You do spend a wee bit of time trying to figure out – can we win possession, can we break tackles?
"We think we have good footballers, but to get good footballers you have to earn the right to play and we are going to have to at least challenge Cork's physicality. I don't mean go out looking for trouble by any means, but if a man comes to hit you a shoulder, you have to try and be able to stand up to it.
"I wouldn't say we will go looking for trouble because we would be happy if it is an open game. They are a big, strong physical team and well able to mix it and we are just going to have to be able to survive if that happens."
Quote from: Banana Man on September 16, 2010, 10:24:39 AM
back of the irish news seems to think that rodgers is definitley out and canty will start, hope they are wrong on rodgers, i hope they are right on canty, can't see him being up to the task of detailing marty clark given his layoff, a fully fit canty yes but one that has a dodgey hammie and not at full pelt training would i think struggle
having said that no doubt canty will still have a stormer, a legend of a man, would love to see himget a celtic cross (just not this year :D )
Canty will be nowhere near Clarke either way.
Shields will probably pick him up.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 16, 2010, 11:53:40 AM
Quote from: Banana Man on September 16, 2010, 10:24:39 AM
back of the irish news seems to think that rodgers is definitley out and canty will start, hope they are wrong on rodgers, i hope they are right on canty, can't see him being up to the task of detailing marty clark given his layoff, a fully fit canty yes but one that has a dodgey hammie and not at full pelt training would i think struggle
having said that no doubt canty will still have a stormer, a legend of a man, would love to see himget a celtic cross (just not this year :D )
Canty will be nowhere near Clarke either way.
Shields will probably pick him up.
Or possibly Eoin Cadogan ?
I thought this was an interesting quote from Clarke which highlights the different demands in terms of fitness between gaelic football and aussie rules.
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=135548 (http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=135548)
"I took home a fair bit, in terms of the weight training and that. I was able to taper my own programme along with Paddy Tally (Down trainer), but the weights in Australia are not that far advanced compared to the GAA," he said.
"Everybody has their own programme and it's a case of following it strictly and approaching it in the right way.
"But, in terms of overall fitness, I'm only starting to get it right recently. It's just been 10 months since I got back and I'm only seeing out games properly now. The main thing I took from Australia is using my voice on the field in training and in games. That's a big focus over there. In previous years, I wasn't doing that as much."
Quote from: western exile on September 16, 2010, 11:55:33 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 16, 2010, 11:53:40 AM
Quote from: Banana Man on September 16, 2010, 10:24:39 AM
back of the irish news seems to think that rodgers is definitley out and canty will start, hope they are wrong on rodgers, i hope they are right on canty, can't see him being up to the task of detailing marty clark given his layoff, a fully fit canty yes but one that has a dodgey hammie and not at full pelt training would i think struggle
having said that no doubt canty will still have a stormer, a legend of a man, would love to see himget a celtic cross (just not this year :D )
Canty will be nowhere near Clarke either way.
Shields will probably pick him up.
Or possibly Eoin Cadogan ?
I think Cadogan will take Coulter.
The posters who are complaining about regular public appearances by Down players obviously did not hear James McCartan's comments during the fund-raising breakfast in Newry earlier this week. James explained that a single media night is held a couple of weeks before the final when a range of interviews are staged and the relared stories are then published and broadcast on a daily basis in the run-up to September 19.
The players also attend a small number of other events, but the shutters come down around ten days before the final. The Canal Court breakfast was the only exception, but it was well-managed and over by 9.30am The Tyrone team which won three All Irelands in the last seven years followed a very similar policy towards the Ulster All Stars and other invitations and it did not do them much harm.
Ronan Murtagh did open a new business in Newry, but this had been planned for some time and again took place ten days before the final.
The objective should surely be to ensure that the players are not placed uinder any undue pressure but also manage to live fairly normal lives and enjoy at least a little of the build-up. Benny Coulter, who is admittedlly one of our most experienced players, has said that he is enjoying every minute of it but still maintaining his focus, which seems reasonable. His younger colleagues are keeping a lower profile, which is also fair.
Only 17 pages on the Thur before the AI final. I am amazed but suppose I'm as guilty as many of the other Tyrone/Armagh fans that normally bombard these board.
I've only been reading backwards from 17 to page 15 and haven't found too much meaty content as yet to dwell on. A lot of people are sitting on the fence me thinks.
I'd have to agree 100% here with Onion Bag that we all know Cork
can be formidable opponents and they had me very worried last year v Tyrone but I've saw them v the Dubs this year and they've definitely went backwards and so I'm don't think they have that level of hunger, work ethic and drive that they had for us last year. Then again they've probably not met a team of that level since Tyrone as Kildare were good but seemed to lack belief. Down really crumbled v Tyrone in that 2nd half and whilst I think & hope they've moved on and learnt from that I fear Cork will ask such serious questions from them
I suppose most people are hanging on to this idea that if Cork can get back those qualities that beat Tyrone last year then they should win but Down have progresses and toughened up. Remind me lads have they had to come back from any big deficits this year or have they nearly always being leading most games. I know Kildare got off to a great start but should Cork do the same will Down have the strength of character to do the same or will they crumble.
My heart certainly says Down and most times my head does too. The 5 unbeaten finals does stand a lot to the team and if you compare mental status of both teams then Down
should win easy.
You've got a team who have won all AI finals they've ever been in and have a natural Northern cockiness playing a team that have been underperforming for a number of years now and seem to often question themselves in such big games. With the exception of that Tyrone game last year when else have Cork beat a big team that you expected them to?
I'm going for Down but its very much up to this young inexperienced Down team performing on the day and not being a startled earwig. ;-)
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on September 14, 2010, 09:45:23 PM
I'm all for the traditional Down cockiness, its good, but we must not allow this to blur the facts facing us in Sunday's challenge. This Cork team are serious opposition and we are rightly underdogs.
I am in little doubt Down will win but!!! should Cork find ther 2009 form that has deserted them so far this year we stand to lose our proud record of never been beaten in an AIF. If that is the case then fair fecks to Cork (always liked them anyway). From 1 - 15 (or 20) they have the bigger, stronger more experienced squad than us and, were it not a final, my money would be on Cork.
But it is a final so we have a real chance and we are quite good at finals. We have a skillful set of forwards, an organised defensive system, a competitive midfield and a useful bench. Cork have these as well so hopefully, together they will dish us up a great final of open attacking football. Can't wait.
To all Down heads I say keep up the craic, enjoy the banter but, especially on this, the only sensible thread on the go at the moment, lets keep it real, fact based and most of all mutually respectful.
Take the slagging, shitetalk and banter to Hardstation's and Trout's threads instead. They will believe anything you post.
There's pretty much no Cork posters here.
Hard to get much of a thread going.
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 16, 2010, 12:23:10 PM
You've got a team who have won all AI finals they've ever been in and have a natural Northern cockiness playing a team that have been underperforming for a number of years now and seem to often question themselves in such big games.
There is a bit of a pattern here. Ulster teams have faced non-Ulster opposition 8 times in All Ireland finals in the past 20 years, and have won 7 of the 8. Its hard to imagine that this happened by accident. (In addition, most of those teams were counted as underdogs before their respective finals.)
yeah it's pretty poor the little amount of chat there is, as someone said there are very few cork posters on the board, i think everyone in down is quietly confident though
i see that chicken that picks the result like Paul the octopus picked cork, the one consolation is thought they used red and black to represent down and not yellow ;D
Quote from: passedit on September 16, 2010, 09:24:35 AM
Quote from: CompulsoryTillager on September 16, 2010, 02:11:47 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on August 30, 2010, 11:29:20 PM
Dromara Gael is quite right about Down wearing an all black strip against Cork in the NFL but it is going back quite a while - probably around 25 years. My recollection is that the game may have been played in Castlewellan and I have a notion that the great Tommy McGovern might have got a rare score for us late on.
1982 it was, and Tommy McGovern scored 1-1, it finished Down 1-6 Cork 2-3
Think I was at that game, do you have the full teams Tillager? I have a vague recollection of a less than svelte Christy Ryan playing full forward for Cork.
Centre-back according to the following day's Indo!
DOWN: P Donnam; P Kennedy, M Curley, M O'Higgins; A Quiery, P O'Rourke, B McGovern; T McGovern, C Burns; J McCartan, A Rodgers, D Bell; M Linden, B Loughran, J Digney. Subs: B Gardiner for Loughran, N King for O'Higgins.
CORK: M Creedon; S Fuohy, T Creedon, J Evans; M Moloney, C Ryan, T O'Callaghan; T O'Reilly, M Burns; D Barry, E O'Mahony, E Murphy; N O'Connor, D McCarthy, J Cleary. Subs: M Connolly for Burns.
Referee: J Toner (Armagh).
I don't get your point. Of course most counties face counties from other provinces most of the time over the past 20 years.
There has only been Cork & Kerry twice and Tyrone v Armagh to break that pattern.
Wonder will Cork target Martin Clarke for some rough & tumble early on. I'd say he'll not be allowed so much time on the ball this time though he's good at making time for himself.
Quote from: cornafean on September 16, 2010, 01:03:43 PM
There is a bit of a pattern here. Ulster teams have faced non-Ulster opposition 8 times in All Ireland finals in the past 20 years, and have won 7 of the 8. Its hard to imagine that this happened by accident. (In addition, most of those teams were counted as underdogs before their respective finals.)
Clarke seems to get rid of the ball very quickly which makes it very hard to get close to him. He seems to know exactly what he is going to do with the ball before he gets it.
Quote from: jas376 on September 15, 2010, 08:29:37 PM
Quote from: western exile on September 15, 2010, 08:00:40 PM
Quote from: jas376
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Also, to all those people who have been critical of Cork football here and elsewhere, let me just cite one statistic that is sustaining us all in hope down here in Cork i.e. only one county has defeated Cork in championship football since 2004.
Now, if only we could maintain that record for just one more game then our mission would be accomplished and everything else would be irrelevant.
valid stat okay. Nor, in same years, have Cork played a team good enough to have beaten Kerry 8) until next Sunday
Fair play, Good point! The answer is no, it hasn't. Sunday will be the first time,as far as I know, which makes it all the more intriguing.
Also, please remember that Cork has played Kerry twice this season and has done reasonably well against them - they drew the first game and only lost the replay by a single point to a Kerry team that included Paul Galvin and Tomas O Se.
Also, I thought Kerry might have been somewhat complacent when playing Down in this year's quarter final. Kerry went into that game as All-Ireland champions and Munster champions to face a team that had lost in Ulster and hadn't really figured in the latter stages of the championship in recent years and hadn't been overly impressive in the qualifiers. That day Kerry looked far less organised than they usually do when playing their arch rivals Cork and they definitely were affected by the loss of Galvin and O Se.
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 16, 2010, 02:46:46 PM
I don't get your point. Of course most counties face counties from other provinces most of the time over the past 20 years.
There has only been Cork & Kerry twice and Tyrone v Armagh to break that pattern.
Wonder will Cork target Martin Clarke for some rough & tumble early on. I'd say he'll not be allowed so much time on the ball this time though he's good at making time for himself.
Quote from: cornafean on September 16, 2010, 01:03:43 PM
There is a bit of a pattern here. Ulster teams have faced non-Ulster opposition 8 times in All Ireland finals in the past 20 years, and have won 7 of the 8. Its hard to imagine that this happened by accident. (In addition, most of those teams were counted as underdogs before their respective finals.)
Clarke has played and been hit by bigger men down under than cork have that won't be a worry for him.
Quote from: Oldhacker on September 16, 2010, 12:09:24 PM
The posters who are complaining about regular public appearances by Down players obviously did not hear James McCartan's comments during the fund-raising breakfast in Newry earlier this week. James explained that a single media night is held a couple of weeks before the final when a range of interviews are staged and the relared stories are then published and broadcast on a daily basis in the run-up to September 19.
The players also attend a small number of other events, but the shutters come down around ten days before the final. The Canal Court breakfast was the only exception, but it was well-managed and over by 9.30am The Tyrone team which won three All Irelands in the last seven years followed a very similar policy towards the Ulster All Stars and other invitations and it did not do them much harm.
Ronan Murtagh did open a new business in Newry, but this had been planned for some time and again took place ten days before the final.
The objective should surely be to ensure that the players are not placed uinder any undue pressure but also manage to live fairly normal lives and enjoy at least a little of the build-up. Benny Coulter, who is admittedlly one of our most experienced players, has said that he is enjoying every minute of it but still maintaining his focus, which seems reasonable. His younger colleagues are keeping a lower profile, which is also fair.
That's just not true, Benny Coulter and a number of other players were in with the kids in ST Mark's school today for a few hours and that is definitely not the only one. It is not shutters down as you suggest. There is a growing fear among the Down fans that I speak to every day that the hype is built up too much around the players and that they are doing the sort of things now that they should only be thinking of doing after they win the cup. This is coming from very respected Down people who have worn the red and black with distinction.
QuoteQuote from: Oldhacker on Today at 12:09:24 PM
The posters who are complaining about regular public appearances by Down players obviously did not hear James McCartan's comments during the fund-raising breakfast in Newry earlier this week. James explained that a single media night is held a couple of weeks before the final when a range of interviews are staged and the relared stories are then published and broadcast on a daily basis in the run-up to September 19.
The players also attend a small number of other events, but the shutters come down around ten days before the final. The Canal Court breakfast was the only exception, but it was well-managed and over by 9.30am The Tyrone team which won three All Irelands in the last seven years followed a very similar policy towards the Ulster All Stars and other invitations and it did not do them much harm.
Ronan Murtagh did open a new business in Newry, but this had been planned for some time and again took place ten days before the final.
The objective should surely be to ensure that the players are not placed uinder any undue pressure but also manage to live fairly normal lives and enjoy at least a little of the build-up. Benny Coulter, who is admittedlly one of our most experienced players, has said that he is enjoying every minute of it but still maintaining his focus, which seems reasonable. His younger colleagues are keeping a lower profile, which is also fair.
That's just not true, Benny Coulter and a number of other players were in with the kids in ST Mark's school today for a few hours and that is definitely not the only one. It is not shutters down as you suggest. There is a growing fear among the Down fans that I speak to every day that the hype is built up too much around the players and that they are doing the sort of things now that they should only be thinking of doing after they win the cup. This is coming from very respected Down people who have worn the red and black with distinction.
That's a very good point, they should not be doin all that hype now, there is time enough for that after the thing is won, evenreleasing songs for the semi final was a bit premature, thankfully it didn't result in eggs on our face but i think the boys need to try and keep focused, there's nothing won yet
Not much coming from the Cork side at all except a few of the Cork players blowing up Down's chances. Don't like that at all. I would much rather they where a bit more cocky, talking up there chances and biting back at the media for dismissing there run to the final. They are national league champions as well. I hope I'm wrong but I get the impression Cork are using the criticism they have been getting to motivate themselves for the final.
I think there was always bound to be more hype around down/Kildare whichever got to the final, cork have been there in recent times and although haven't won, they have done the build up, talking, media hype before so they are bound to be quieter and keep more to the football side of things this time round!
In fairness I think the Down Cumann na mBunscoil are well within their rights to ask the Down players to make the odd appearance to promote the game in schools. A couple of hours in a national school not too miuch imo and nothing like the tide that engulfed the Dubs in 1992.
Having said that Cork have played a blinder here in laying low.
Quote from: CompulsoryTillager on September 16, 2010, 02:28:49 PM
Quote from: passedit on September 16, 2010, 09:24:35 AM
Quote from: CompulsoryTillager on September 16, 2010, 02:11:47 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on August 30, 2010, 11:29:20 PM
Dromara Gael is quite right about Down wearing an all black strip against Cork in the NFL but it is going back quite a while - probably around 25 years. My recollection is that the game may have been played in Castlewellan and I have a notion that the great Tommy McGovern might have got a rare score for us late on.
1982 it was, and Tommy McGovern scored 1-1, it finished Down 1-6 Cork 2-3
Think I was at that game, do you have the full teams Tillager? I have a vague recollection of a less than svelte Christy Ryan playing full forward for Cork.
Centre-back according to the following day's Indo!
DOWN: P Donnam; P Kennedy, M Curley, M O'Higgins; A Quiery, P O'Rourke, B McGovern; T McGovern, C Burns; J McCartan, A Rodgers, D Bell; M Linden, B Loughran, J Digney. Subs: B Gardiner for Loughran, N King for O'Higgins.
CORK: M Creedon; S Fuohy, T Creedon, J Evans; M Moloney, C Ryan, T O'Callaghan; T O'Reilly, M Burns; D Barry, E O'Mahony, E Murphy; N O'Connor, D McCarthy, J Cleary. Subs: M Connolly for Burns.
Referee: J Toner (Armagh).
It was Pat
Donnan and Mark
TurleyWas at the game also- Tommy Mc Govern- what a player !The following year we played Cork in Newcastle and were beaten ( from memory). Haven't been too many games between the two over the years but every Cork supporter I've met knows their GAA. We were actually in Cork this year on the day of the Offaly game in Tullamore and daughter plus mates were all in Down shirts before we headed to the game. Some people thought we were mad.Wonder what they think now ?
Is Ned King Kalum's da ?A man who knows how to beat Cork in AI finals .
Quote from: Dubh driocht on September 16, 2010, 06:44:26 PM
Is Ned King Kalum's da ?A man who knows how to beat Cork in AI finals .
Nope. Ned is Colm and Eamon's da. Both play for Dundrum. Ned as you know is originally a Kilclief man. He was also the last man to score a 50 in Croke Park afaik.
In terms of the different stuff coming from the media, there is very little talk about McComiskey and John Clarke in the Down forward line. I feel McComiskey has a big game in him and John Clarke has always been a quality player and id say he will put in a decent performance on Sunday.
The Cork team for Sunday is up on the 'corkgaa' website. It includes M. Shields at fullback, E.Cadogan at left corner back, G. Canty at centre-back, D. O Connor at full forward, C.Sheehan at left wing forward P.Kerrigan at right corner forward - the rest is as was expected. J.Miskella, N. Murphy, C. O Neill are all not listed on the starting team.
The Cork Senior Football team V's Down in Sunday's All-Ireland Final will line out as follows:
1. Alan Quirke
(Valley Rovers)
2. Eoin Cadogan 3. Michael Shields 4. Ray Carey
(Douglas) (St. Finbarrs) (Clyda Rovers)
5. Noel O'Leary 6. Graham Canty 7. Paudie Kissane
(Cill na Martra) (Bantry Blues-Capt) (Clyda Rovers)
8. Alan O'Connor 9. Aidan Walsh
(St. Colum's) (Kanturk)
10. Ciaran Sheehan 11. Pearse O'Neill 12. Patrick Kelly
(Éire Óg) (Aghada) (Ballincollig)
13. Daniel Goulding 14. Donncha O'Connor 15. Paul Kerrigan
(Éire Óg) (Ballydesmond) (Nemo Rangers)
Divine intervention?
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Quote from: Zulu on September 16, 2010, 09:36:20 PM
The Cork Senior Football team V's Down in Sunday's All-Ireland Final will line out as follows:
1. Alan Quirke
(Valley Rovers)
2. Eoin Cadogan 3. Michael Shields 4. Ray Carey
(Douglas) (St. Finbarrs) (Clyda Rovers)
5. Noel O'Leary 6. Graham Canty 7. Paudie Kissane
(Cill na Martra) (Bantry Blues-Capt) (Clyda Rovers)
8. Alan O'Connor 9. Aidan Walsh
(St. Colum's) (Kanturk)
10. Ciaran Sheehan 11. Pearse O'Neill 12. Patrick Kelly
(Éire Óg) (Aghada) (Ballincollig)
13. Daniel Goulding 14. Donncha O'Connor 15. Paul Kerrigan
(Éire Óg) (Ballydesmond) (Nemo Rangers)
I would say I have a better chance of starting full forward than Donnacha O Connor on Sunday. Wonder what real line out will be.
I'd say Canty is the only man that may not start from that 15. O'Connor definitely will start anyway and I'd be surprised if it isn't in the full forward line. I'd have Colm O'Neill in there myself but other than that you couldn't really argue with it.
Quote from: MCMLX on September 16, 2010, 09:50:12 PM
Divine intervention?
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was this on tv from today? or have you photo shopped it
Down 9/4 or 2/1 still. Incredible odds come 6pm Sunday. These guys have never lost a final.
http://www.oddschecker.com/other-sports/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/cork-v-down/winner
Quote from: Zulu on September 16, 2010, 09:36:20 PM
The Cork Senior Football team V's Down in Sunday's All-Ireland Final will line out as follows:
1. Alan Quirke
(Valley Rovers)
2. Eoin Cadogan 3. Michael Shields 4. Ray Carey
(Douglas) (St. Finbarrs) (Clyda Rovers)
5. Noel O'Leary 6. Graham Canty 7. Paudie Kissane
(Cill na Martra) (Bantry Blues-Capt) (Clyda Rovers)
8. Alan O'Connor 9. Aidan Walsh
(St. Colum's) (Kanturk)
10. Ciaran Sheehan 11. Pearse O'Neill 12. Patrick Kelly
(Éire Óg) (Aghada) (Ballincollig)
13. Daniel Goulding 14. Donncha O'Connor 15. Paul Kerrigan
(Éire Óg) (Ballydesmond) (Nemo Rangers)
Zulu I sincerely hope you can keep it in your pants if Cork are victorious on Sunday.
If Canty does start he'll not be fit to run around after any of the Down half-forwards. So he'd have to deployed as a sweeper. Probably in front of Coulter.
From a Down perspective, I can see Garvey and McKernan switching so that Garvey and King can put a two man wall in the direct line of Cork's running game. I'd also think that Down's best 3-4 athletes, the likes of Fitzpatrick, Hughes and Poland, will be under instructions to empty the tanks for 50 minutes, and that's their job done.
My biggest concern on Sunday is soft frees. I don't think Cork's attack has more than 8 points from play in it, and Down will balance off any goals if needed. But 5-6 unnecessary frees might be too big a challenge to get over. So keep your hands visible fellas.
Down by 4. Cork to get a couple of men sent of towards the death for dissent and handbags. Pete Fitz to be the real man of the match, martin Clarke to be the official one, Ronan Murtagh to bag 3 points.
http://sports.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/gaa/inter-county-football/cork-vs-down-e214433149 (http://sports.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/gaa/inter-county-football/cork-vs-down-e214433149)
handicap betting is very close
Quote from: Aaron Boone on September 16, 2010, 10:26:23 PM
Down 9/4 or 2/1 still. Incredible odds come 6pm Sunday. These guys have never lost a final.
http://www.oddschecker.com/other-sports/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/cork-v-down/winner
They were still 25-1 for AI before the Kerry game, a game they always had a good chance of winning and had a decent chance of making the final. I find it shocking the odds have been so high. Are the bookies taking a chance with having the odds so high or is there still a lot of money going on Cork to win, even at 1/2.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on September 16, 2010, 10:26:23 PM
Down 9/4 or 2/1 still. Incredible odds come 6pm Sunday. These guys have never lost a final.
http://www.oddschecker.com/other-sports/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/cork-v-down/winner
Down have never lost a final, these guys have never played in one.
Quote from: snoopdog on September 16, 2010, 10:18:41 PM
Quote from: MCMLX on September 16, 2010, 09:50:12 PM
Divine intervention?
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs652.snc4/61222_435744541883_561416883_5755662_6821483_n.jpg)
was this on tv from today? or have you photo shopped it
It was on TV this evening. Its not shopped.
Quote from: joemamas on September 16, 2010, 09:52:47 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 16, 2010, 09:36:20 PM
The Cork Senior Football team V's Down in Sunday's All-Ireland Final will line out as follows:
1. Alan Quirke
(Valley Rovers)
2. Eoin Cadogan 3. Michael Shields 4. Ray Carey
(Douglas) (St. Finbarrs) (Clyda Rovers)
5. Noel O'Leary 6. Graham Canty 7. Paudie Kissane
(Cill na Martra) (Bantry Blues-Capt) (Clyda Rovers)
8. Alan O'Connor 9. Aidan Walsh
(St. Colum's) (Kanturk)
10. Ciaran Sheehan 11. Pearse O'Neill 12. Patrick Kelly
(Éire Óg) (Aghada) (Ballincollig)
13. Daniel Goulding 14. Donncha O'Connor 15. Paul Kerrigan
(Éire Óg) (Ballydesmond) (Nemo Rangers)
I would say I have a better chance of starting full forward than Donnacha O Connor on Sunday. Wonder what real line out will be.
I agree with you Joemamas. There is no way that the Cork forward line will line out as selected. Kerrigan @10, Sheehan @ 14 and O'Connor @15 would make a lot more sense IMO. I also think that Cork are taking a major gamble if Graham Canty lines out at centre back. He can hardly be fit to do himself justice. It is a pity though that both captains Graham Canty and Ambrose Rogers are struggling with injury. Two fine players who deserve the great honour of captaining their county in an All Ireland Final. I live near enough to Cork to know that Cork people who never give their footballers anything like the support that they deserve are very confident about Sunday's game. Here in Tipperary a lot of football people see Down as the more likely winners. Cork are entitled to be favourites, but both my head and my heart (and my pocket) says that Down will have 2 or 3 points to spare on Sunday.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 16, 2010, 10:29:56 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 16, 2010, 09:36:20 PM
The Cork Senior Football team V's Down in Sunday's All-Ireland Final will line out as follows:
1. Alan Quirke
(Valley Rovers)
2. Eoin Cadogan 3. Michael Shields 4. Ray Carey
(Douglas) (St. Finbarrs) (Clyda Rovers)
5. Noel O'Leary 6. Graham Canty 7. Paudie Kissane
(Cill na Martra) (Bantry Blues-Capt) (Clyda Rovers)
8. Alan O'Connor 9. Aidan Walsh
(St. Colum's) (Kanturk)
10. Ciaran Sheehan 11. Pearse O'Neill 12. Patrick Kelly
(Éire Óg) (Aghada) (Ballincollig)
13. Daniel Goulding 14. Donncha O'Connor 15. Paul Kerrigan
(Éire Óg) (Ballydesmond) (Nemo Rangers)
Zulu I sincerely hope you can keep it in your pants if Cork are victorious on Sunday.
:D :D
Although I'd like to see Cork win one, I won't be in any way dissapointed if Down win either. I just hope it is a great game and that both teams go out to win it rather than not lose it. Tbh I can see Down winning it even though I still think Cork have the best team in the country. I think it will be close but Cork will have to produce a performance that they haven't been capable for a few months now and I'm not sure it is in them.
QuoteThere is no way that the Cork forward line will line out as selected. Kerrigan @10, Sheehan @ 14 and O'Connor @15 would make a lot more sense IMO.
Sheehan is better suited to wing forward and should start there, however you'd never know with Counihan.
All Down fans will rejoice that Conor hasnt started Nicholas Murphy and also included Graham canty (Half Fit)
I genuinely can't wait anymore. Love this time of year, there's a great atmosphere around the place, I just hope Cork win now and finally put the problem in Croker to rest.
It'll be bumper to bumper no doubt for anyone who's driving, but will be a great weekend hopefully. Cork will hopefully win and on paper we've a better team, but Down could well do it, they've players like Clarke and Benny Coulter who we'll need to mark well on the day or we'll be in all sorts of trouble.
Hopefully we'll have Canty fully fit for the final, we'll need everyone firing 100% come throw in, no half ass rate.
Surely this is our year, it's escaped us too long.
Meant to be pishing down.
who would that suit i think it would suit cork more
Quote from: Aaron Boone on September 16, 2010, 10:26:23 PM
Down 9/4 or 2/1 still. Incredible odds come 6pm Sunday. These guys have never lost a final.
http://www.oddschecker.com/other-sports/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/cork-v-down/winner
These guys?
I think the bookies can see the point that you are missing
QuoteDown by 4.
Wobbler, that's twice I've read you tipping our lads. Would you fer fucks sake QUIT!!! Please go back and edit those posts, I'll buy you as many pints as you can drink if you'll predict a win for the rebels.
It'll be interesting what Cork have in store for Marty Clarke. Talk all you want about Hughes, King and Benny but Marty is the x-factor that has transformed Down from a team that gets bate by Wicklow to possible All-Ireland champs. I'm really looking forward to seeing Marty on this stage. I watched him down at St Galls a few years ago playing a college game for Kilkeel and his natural talent was better than anything I saw coming through Tyrone at that time.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Cork do a Tadhg on him and try to eliminate him early.
Paidi Se hasnt got one right all year...looking forward to his piece in the Indo Sun morning.
BTW No 1 leave my chauffeur alone...he can say what he wants!!
Quote from: ONeill on September 17, 2010, 12:05:02 AM
It'll be interesting what Cork have in store for Marty Clarke. Talk all you want about Hughes, King and Benny but Marty is the x-factor that has transformed Down from a team that gets bate by Wicklow to possible All-Ireland champs. I'm really looking forward to seeing Marty on this stage. I watched him down at St Galls a few years ago playing a college game for Kilkeel and his natural talent was better than anything I saw coming through Tyrone at that time.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Cork do a Tadhg on him and try to eliminate him early.
This didnt eliminate him....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeC83-99f0w
...so what are Cork gonna do...shoot him???
70minutes of the championship to go and I have to say that I can hardly wait for Sunday's game. I see it as a major clash of styles that will make for a classic game.
At the beginning of the year I had a fancy for Down to be involved in the August shakeup but I then downgraded their chances after the cave in against Tyrone. By the time they got as far as the Kerry game though, my sense that they had something going for them was restored and they have justified that expectation.
They have a really well organised defence in whiuch there is no 'star' but a great work ethic and co-ordinated response. I read somewhere that they conceded less scores than any other team in the league and the meanness has continued through most of the championship. They have a big ball winning, space dominating midfield that can play ball as well and a mercurial set of forwards that combine flair and grind – tons of natural football and a well developed variety in their game. Clarke and Coulter are well celebrated but Poland's probing and Hughes' pace are equally vital while McCummiskey is delivering consistently – it is a good balance.
Cork too have many merits. Their size and strenght is well documented and they have one of the most forceful half back lines around, all of whom are a threat in attack as well as strong under the ball. Again big strong midfielders are four a plenty. Up front, Cork has a different style of forward than Down – there is more stong running and individual rather than team plays.
Looking a bit more critically, I think that there are two ways to make inroads to the Down defence – either work the ball slowly up a wing and then switch flanks quickly as they play a 'last man around' defensive system that is vulnearable to that quick switch in the point of attack. That though does require that the Cork FF line raise their game and show and win their own ball – more than we have seen this year so far. The other big play is to 'clear out' the centre of the Down defence and get Kelly and Kerrigan (and probabaly Sheehan and Walsh) coming onto ball through that central corridor.
At the other end getting Clarke, Poland and Hughes on the ball and playing football going forward is the big challenge for Down. They will have an advantage on their defenders in terms of mobility and pace but will not want to be fighting for dirty ball themselves too often if they are to be available to cause damge to Cork with the ball.
For Cork to win, they have to deliver up front and combine to punch holes, get in between the Down backs and isolate them in one on ones rather than get swallowed up in a well balanced and practiced defence. For Down to win they have to hold the ball and be patient as the chances will come if they make sure to have the ball to take them.
In getting this far, Tyrone apart, Down has progressed from game to game and have impressed most in the last three games. Question is have they played to their limits or is there more to come? Cork on the other hand have progressed without impressing once. There is potentially a lot more to come and if it does it could be irresistable. I backed Down to beat Kerry and think that they have the game to win an All Ireland but they have to maintain an already high standard. Cork have a lot of ground to make up. If they get it right, could blow anyone away. I have a slight (very slight) preference for Down but I've backed the draw at 8/1
Has anybody got stats for what the players of both sides have scored in this years championship and how much of it has been from play. What's the craic with McComiskey, seemed to be a star in the making the past few years yet nobody bothers to mention him these days. From what I have saw of him he is in the Mickey linden/JMC Jnr mould with his blistering pace, and I think he could actually be the match winner on Sunday.
Will there be more than one this time ....
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2010/0917/down_cork.html
some brave loyal soldier stormed my 4 foot high hedge, with a complete disregard for his own safety and caring not about his own health and removed my down flag, he then flirted with danger once more and climbed the 3 foot fence of my pensioner neighbour and librated the brazen down flag flying there too, with one swoop he managed to snap the bamboo cane holding it with his bare hands. No surrender ::)
what does the down crest stand for, the corn/ship/spinning wheel?
Has this been posted yet? Interview with yer man on top of the nally stand that was being discussed a while back.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/9003181.stm
Really looking forward to Sunday... Ive a feeling its going to be a very close game with Down's firepower mayb just shading it. I think Paddy Tally has to take alot of credit for where this down team has come from and where that are now. His team setup, conditioning etc has been invaluable to the down setup. The team sets up very much like the Tyrone team of old....Clarke in the Mc Guigan role, Hughes in the Dooher role, Coulter as the O'Neill role etc....Lets hope the lads can bring Sam north again....
I think the game O'Neill is talking about was St Louis v Omagh CBS in a MacRory group match at Milltown in late 05/early 06. There were only a handful of spectators on a wet Saturday morning but it was a privilege to see Marty's full range of skills on the day. Even apart from his ability in possession, his pace and his determination to take the right early option meant that Omagh never laid a hand on him. St Louis won the game, but sadly did not manage to go all the way. Here's hoping that he gets one step further on Sunday.
Agree quarterback - A Tally and Mc Ivor (Down) win would leave debate on the Tyrone management in years to come very interesting. On the game I fancy Down big time in a game of football. I fancied Cork in the same way last year. Cork felt they could be cynical with Tyrone last year and play football with Kerry in the final. Kerry ate them alive, decapitating their title challenge with decapitating hits. Who in Cork will try for Clarke on Sunday... Maybe there is no one? A young inexperienced team would lose direction without 1 or 2 of their talismen. If Clarke gets hit bad and early Id fancy the Cork men. I hope Im wrong here but if you were looking at losing your third ai final, after 2 watery efforts, what would you do?
Quote from: ONeill on September 17, 2010, 12:05:02 AM
It'll be interesting what Cork have in store for Marty Clarke. Talk all you want about Hughes, King and Benny but Marty is the x-factor that has transformed Down from a team that gets bate by Wicklow to possible All-Ireland champs. I'm really looking forward to seeing Marty on this stage. I watched him down at St Galls a few years ago playing a college game for Kilkeel and his natural talent was better than anything I saw coming through Tyrone at that time.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Cork do a Tadhg on him and try to eliminate him early.
thats it, Martin Clarke strikes ye as the kind of chap that wont be phased by the big occasion and thus we can near expect a big game from him..so it will be very interesting to see how Cork approach the MC dilemma. There could be a lot of space for the likes of Coulter, hughes etc to exploit if they use the ball long and fast
are Cork gonna produce the kind of display in the final that they have been hinting at for the last few years?
My heart hopes for a Down win, but my head is taking me into Wizzy Brown's for a Cork by 5 / Benny Coulter first goal double....
Cannot wait
Best of Luck to Down, I'd love to see them win another one. Nothing particularly against Cork at all, but I would prefer Down.
Cork, on paper and in terms of physicality, have the edge, but do they have it between the ears? And can they finally deliver on their promise? If they don't then Down have every chance. If they do, then Cork should, repeat should, be too much.
Quote from: Quarterback on September 17, 2010, 12:27:22 PM
I think Paddy Tally has to take alot of credit for where this down team has come from and where that are now. His team setup, conditioning etc has been invaluable to the down setup. The team sets up very much like the Tyrone team of old....Clarke in the Mc Guigan role, Hughes in the Dooher role, Coulter as the O'Neill role etc....Lets hope the lads can bring Sam north again....
Quote from: rrhf on September 17, 2010, 01:43:48 PM
Agree quarterback - A Tally and Mc Ivor (Down) win would leave debate on the Tyrone management in years to come very interesting.
Calm down there lads! ;)
Everyone in Down knows exactly the contribution that Tally has made to the county team over the last 4 years. And we understand that Tyrone people are proud of one of their own. But you are overstating him a tad with your credits. Don't forget his is not a new appointment as he was part of the previous management right up to, and including, that Saturday evening in Aughrim last summer! The real credit is more deserving on the newcomers to the whole set-up.
i'm so excited about going, first senior all ireland as a neutral......
dilema in who to support... lived in cork but down is in ulster..... hmmmm,
well i just hope for a good game
cork - due to scoring frees.
Claims on here that Cork will try to rough up Down are laughable Cork dont roll like that, if anything I think Down will try some rough stuff. Cork have been very disciplined in defence only giving away 2 scorable frees against dubs.
I think that noel o'leary may be the one to man mark CLarke exclusively, Shields will mark Coullter, talk is that Canty wont start and Miskella will replace him. Cork have very solid fullback line, same lads played U21 together.
Down seemed to tire against kildare and let them back into it, cork have finished strongly in games and if its tight with 10 to go cork should close it out.
AS DOWN prepares to go head to head with Cork, cross county efforts are being made to raise awareness of potentially life-saving screening for young people.
Two 16-year-old boys from Newry and Mourne will be much missed amid the All-Ireland clash festivities this Sunday.
Patrick Dinsmore from Warrenpoint and Oisin McGuinness from Newry should be cheering on Down in the game they both loved.
But the seemingly fit young men were tragically taken while themselves playing matches Patrick during a Gaelic game in August and Oisin on the soccer pitch in March 2009.
Now Oisin's parents Joan and John are urging local clubs and schools to use the thousands of pounds raised in their son's memory to fund screening. And a Cork man who lost his brother to Sudden Adult Death Syndrome is asking people to get involved in an awareness raising text campaign.
Stephen Comerford made the move in the wake of Patrick Dinsmore's death, which he said brought back memories his own brother, Gary's, passing. The 15-year-old was playing football when he died in 1996.
Two tragedies one solution
"IT was like a carbon copy. Both 16, both the only son, both leaving behind one sister. The only difference is one was playing soccer and one was playing Gaelic."
With these words John McGuinness, whose son Oisin died on the soccer pitch and who was there when Patrick Dinsmore died playing Gaelic, sums up the striking similarities between the two tragedies.
And both he and Oisin's mother Joan are warning that, sadly, it's only a matter of time before the same thing happens again. It's this fear that has spurred them to once again highlight the fact that there is a straightforward and effective way to detect the risk of cardiac problems in young people.
"Screening is the most simple process and really does make a huge difference," John said.
"Unfortunately we've found that people aren't taking advantage of it."
It's been less than a year-and-a-half since John and Joan's energetic and athletic son collapsed and died during a soccer match.
Despite their own heartache, they've used the time since losing Oisin to campaign tirelessly for local clubs to take up screening and have raised thousands of pounds to buy defibrillators.
Now with another all too familiar tragedy taking the life of Patrick Dinsmore, who died after collapsing during a minor match in August, they are re-issuing their plea for local sports clubs and schools to take up screening.
"We've had quite a lot of interest in our defibrillators but the response to our offer to pay for screening has been disappointing," John said.
"Defibrillators are brilliant, there's no doubt about that, but Patrick was treated with one to no avail. Whereas perhaps if he'd been screened and a potential problem spotted he might still be alive today – that's the heartbreaking possibility.
"The sad truth is that, until something happens like Oisin and Patrick, the momentum just isn't there – people tend to see it as a rare risk.
"As far as we're concerned clubs have a responsibility to their young people.
"It's so simple – if screened it can be spotted, if spotted it can be treated or at least monitored. If not spotted it can kill."
John and Joan McGuinness still have thousands of pounds that they want to give to local clubs and schools to cover screening costs. They can be contacted on (028) 30265193 or 07714422803.
Text campaign between rivals
A CORK man who lost his brother to Sudden Adult Death Syndrome has launched a nationwide text campaign to raise awareness of the condition and funds for vital screening and life-saving equipment.
Stephen Comerford launched the campaign after hearing of the death of Warrenpoint footballer Patrick Dinsmore.
The 16-year old St Peter's defender collapsed on the pitch during a minor match at Petit Park in Rostrevor.
Medical staff at the match rushed to help Patrick, but attempts to revive him with a defibrillator were unsuccessful.
Mr Comerford said news of Patrick's death brought him back to his own brother's passing.
"I was travelling home from the Cork/Dublin semi final when I heard of Patrick's death on the radio, and the similarities immediately brought me back to Gary's death," he said.
"Gary was 15 years old and playing football when he died. I have done campaigns on this issue in the past, but I just felt like there had to be more I could do."
While discussing possibilities with a number of Cork players about ways to highlight the issue, Stephen struck upon the idea of a text campaign.
Despite some early uncertainty the campaign is now fully underway thanks to the support of 'The Cormac Trust', and Stephen is hoping to hit 100,000 texts by full time of the All Ireland Final on Sunday.
Each text will cost 60 cent, and money raised will go towards a number of purchases, including defibrillators for clubs in Cork and Down, regular scans for GAA players, and funding for a mobile scanning unit to travel around schools and clubs.
However Stephen says as important as the life saving equipment is, it's his secondary concern.
"The most important thing is to get the message out there," he said.
"If we make 5,000 euro that's great, 50,000, that's even better, but the main thing is to get the message out there, and if we can convince just one player to get a scan, and it ends up saving that person's life, then it was all worth it."
Anyone wishing to contribute to the campaign should text "sads" to 81108 (cost 50p per text, the Cormac Trust receives 90 per cent after network costs).
Down for me. We're taking too much on trust from Cork and most analysis is based on their form of last year. They could finally find that form on Sunday, but what are the odds? On this year's form, I don't think they have the forwards or the system to unlock Down's defence often enough to run up the 14 to 17 points they'd need to win an AIF. I think Down could win with 40% of possession. Goals may be key and I wouldn't be surprised to see Down score two, and Cork score none, which could mean Down could win it with 10 scores.
Spoken like a true Meathman exiled in Rebel country.
I still don't believe it's possible to progress so far so fast, Down have had some serious rub of the green, if it deserts them i could see a Cork win by 4 or 5 points. The northern journos tend to lose the run of themselves when an Ulster team is in the final (a la England in any competition) and I think they have done so spectacularly this year. I thought sensible analysis of the Kildare game was pretty much non-existent.
Talking about taking too much on trust from Cork is a bit dubious, not sure who wrote the article in today's Racing Post but he basically said do a critical analysis to Cork, whatever the result you come up with, do the same for Down and compare. When you see where both teams have come from and even what they done this past few years, there's surely only one statistical outcome possible.
At the risk of making a tit of myself I'm going to back Cork minus 4/5.
Cork footballers have been criticised a lot here and elsewhere for the type of football that they have played this year with many commentators saying that they played much better football last year. Well, I saw Paul Kerrigan on TV yesterday address that very point. He said that last year the Cork players tended to play every ball ''as if it was their last' - this led to an expansive brand of football that was entertaining to watch. In contrast, he said that this year they were playing a more cautious game with an emphasis on 'using our heads more' and retaining possession.
The Cork game-plan is all about retaining posession at all costs and keeping the ball away from the opposition as much as possible. This type of game plan was introduced by Billy Morgan back in the eighties and has been continued by Conor Counihan with this present team since Conor played in Billy's teams for many years.
The 'possession game' is not pretty to watch but it has served Cork well in the past as Cork usually manages to score more than the opposing team does. Therefore I expect Cork to continue playing in this way on Sunday. Many people are hoping for a huge expansive display from Cork in the final. I for one don't expect to see this as instead I expect Cork to continue to do what it does best.
So, on Sunday when you see the Cork players hand- passing the ball around the middle of the field don't think that they have lost their way. Just remember that their slow, laborious style of play is all part of their game-plan and is geared towards winning rather than entertaining.
Quote from: Chris agus Snoop on September 17, 2010, 03:28:37 PM
Claims on here that Cork will try to rough up Down are laughable Cork dont roll like that, if anything I think Down will try some rough stuff. Cork have been very disciplined in defence only giving away 2 scorable frees against dubs.
I think that noel o'leary may be the one to man mark CLarke exclusively, Shields will mark Coullter, talk is that Canty wont start and Miskella will replace him. Cork have very solid fullback line, same lads played U21 together.
Down seemed to tire against kildare and let them back into it, cork have finished strongly in games and if its tight with 10 to go cork should close it out.
That has never been the hallmark of a Down team. Expect tough uncompromising tackling and they won't be rolled over but we don't do a Keneally. What Murphy suffered last year was a disgrace but Cork should have sorted that out big time on the field at the start. Try that out on Down and you will get your answer but Down never have gone out to play that game.
Logically: Cork
Psychologically: Down
The Psychos have it for me ;)
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Completely off-topic, but I know James McCartan senior was from Donaghcloney. How did the current manager end up with Burren? Did the family leave Donaghcloney and move down Burren way?
Be careful not to open a can of worms! ;)
Short answer is, that Wee James transferred to Burren after the heart of a local lady. He formally played for Tullylish.
So is he now a resident of Burren or does he live up the Donaghcloney way? Is James Snr still about there?
Yes, resident of Burren. afaik James Snr is still in Donaghcloney
i thought James senior now lives in Mayobridge/Saval??
Was James senior not originally a Glenn man, i know he played for Glenn.
Both James and Dan played for Glenn, although they were from Donaghcloney.
When Maurice Hayes rolled out his plan in 1956 for Down to win an All Ireland within the next ten years, one of the theories was that for county standard players to achieve and maintain a high level of playing they had to be competing aginst other county standard players.
Therefore eight teams were picked to form division 1 in Down, Glenn being one of them. All the quality players and prospects were then placed with one of the big eight, if they were not playing for one already.
With the family ties to Glenn, their father Briney played for them, they joined the club and the rest is history...
EDIT: Correction - Briney hailed from Hilltown/Cabra direction - James was playing for Glenn from 1954, two years before Hayes put his plan in action.
I dont know who is going to win and I find it hard t even hazard a guess.
As the cliche goes it will be all "on the day".
If it's a tight finish I suspect Cork's greater experience of the big day might just see them keep their nerve and squeeze through.
Down have exceeded all expectations in reaching the final. Even the most die hard Down supporter must admit that. They have developed and improved in leaps and bounds since McCartan took charge but i think this match will be a bridge too far, Cork to edge it by 1 to 3 points.
As said in one of the previous posts, it will be about who handles the pressure best - who can produce their best when the heat is really on.
Both teams want the win as badly as the other, both teams have been trained and conditioned so that they succeed. The winners will be the team with the most conviction, focus and guts for a fight.
And, for me, that team is Down.
There'll be a few of us (mise, ONeill, SS2, Lynchbhoy (probably) so far) meeting up in the Hill 16 on Gardiner street around midday -- turn right in the door for a great time! ;)
Well that's an idea. Hill 16 pub, Middle Gardiner Street - ask FoSB for first drink, free. Something he does for gaaboard gatherings. Hoping to be there from 1130-1300.
I fancy Down, we are all waiting on the Cork team of last year but they have not turned out at all. And why should they appear on Sunday?
The way I see it Down are peaking at the right time. They were rubbish against Tyrone true, but managed to keep going and have now got 70+ minutes to win an All Ireland. I think the game will be tight and the winners will only win by 1-3 points. A sending off and a dodgy refereeing decision for our talking points afterwards
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 17, 2010, 10:51:38 PM
The way I see it Down are peaking at the right time. They were rubbish against Tyrone true, ...
Disagree: they blew us away in the first 20 minutes.
I know now why they stopped playing that day in Casement -- they were afraid of winning the Ulster and of not exploiting the Qualifiers. Good management wee James.
Quote from: ONeill on September 17, 2010, 10:47:24 PM
Well that's an idea. Hill 16 pub, Middle Gardiner Street - ask FoSB for first drink, free. Something he does for gaaboard gatherings. Hoping to be there from 1130-1300.
The first and the rest Shane, so long as no one laughs at my sandals. Then it would be knives out time ;)
Having been at the last couple of Down games must say Im really looking forward to seeing Clarke play again on Sunday. He's been brilliant in the last few games, really classy on the ball. Coulter and Hughes have also been excellent. Have fancied Cork all week but really hope Down do it. You can't discount the record of the two counties in finals in the past and based on this Down have a real chance. Still not sure how John Clarke has retained his place.
Probably because the only two games we have lost this year he didn't start. Wee things like that play on managers minds having come this far.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 17, 2010, 10:54:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 17, 2010, 10:51:38 PM
The way I see it Down are peaking at the right time. They were rubbish against Tyrone true, ...
Disagree: they blew us away in the first 20 minutes.
I know now why they stopped playing that day in Casement -- they were afraid of winning the Ulster and of not exploiting the Qualifiers. Good management wee James.
Quote from: ONeill on September 17, 2010, 10:47:24 PM
Well that's an idea. Hill 16 pub, Middle Gardiner Street - ask FoSB for first drink, free. Something he does for gaaboard gatherings. Hoping to be there from 1130-1300.
The first and the rest Shane, so long as no one laughs at my sandals. Then it would be knives out time ;)
Fear ón Srath Bán, the match last for 70 minutes!! Christ i good in the first twenty minutes, then i die a death cause i'm not as fit as i used to be ;)
as for John Clarke starting everyone in the country is asking that, but he is still there. is Ronan more of a super sub????
Gardiner Street ::) ::) keep your hands on your wallet at all times
Weather's going to be okay on Sunday, cloudy but dry in Dublin according to http://www.met.ie/forecasts/county.asp Can't wait...
Whens the Down team been named???
Quote from: Midlands Man on September 17, 2010, 11:14:46 PM
Whens the Down team been named???
A couple of hours ago?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/9011135.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/9011135.stm)
Quote from: Midlands Man on September 17, 2010, 11:14:46 PM
Whens the Down team been named???
Anocht
B McVeigh, D McCartan, D Gordon, D Rafferty, D Rooney, K McKernan, C Garvey, P Fitzpatrick, K King, D Hughes, M Poland, B Coulter, P McComiskey, J Clarke, M Clarke.
Thanks lads , also what do you Down boys reckon are the chances of Aidan Carr coming off the bench Sunday , just wondering for fantasy football reasons..
And Down got to this stage without Mickey Walsh and Liam Doyle - two great players.
Glad that John Clarke kept his place. Hopefully we`ll see Ambi at some stage, even if it is only to lift Sam.
I'm not very confident at all, this Cork team worries me. Then again, I thought Kerry would beat us, likewise Kildare. We`re still there though, still in with a shout. Win, lose or draw it has been a hell of a year. Slightly unexpected, but we`ll take it all the same. We`ve rode our luck at times, got a few dubious decisions, but in other years those decisions went against us and we were cursing referees. I always say you make your own luck. Hopefully we`ll make some more on Sunday.
Quote from: Midlands Man on September 17, 2010, 11:26:50 PM
Thanks lads , also what do you Down boys reckon are the chances of Aidan Carr coming off the bench Sunday , just wondering for fantasy football reasons..
wouldnt be overly confident but you never know - most likely to be maginn, murtagh, colgan, brown, ambrose,brannigan but carr could make an appearance depending on how the game goes, injuries etc
Looking forward to the game .Decided not to use up a ticket and leave it the competing counties . Hope the best team wins ? .At this stage expect Cork to win by 3/4 but not with any great confidence . Hope it is a good match ?. Safe trip to all
Here's maybe a good omen for Down.. in 1987 when Down won All Ireland Minor they beat Kildare in the Semi & Cork in the final & James McCartan played for Down that year
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 17, 2010, 11:04:30 PM
Fear ón Srath Bán, the match last for 70 minutes!! Christ i good in the first twenty minutes, then i die a death cause i'm not as fit as i used to be ;)
Difference is Milltown, Down
chose to stop, you're just old and bolloxed (like myself)! :D
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 17, 2010, 11:04:30 PM
Gardiner Street ::) ::) keep your hands on your wallet at all times
Not at all, putty in our hands ;)
1990/94 long wait for two big counties so....... who fancies celebrating this win on the field?
Quote from: ross4life on September 18, 2010, 12:23:17 AM
1990/94 long wait for two big counties so....... who fancies celebrating this win on the field?
Whoever wins please get on the field and wipe the smug smile off that dictator Cooneys face. Viva le revolution....
Quote from: MCMLX on September 17, 2010, 11:38:04 PM
Glad that John Clarke kept his place. Hopefully we`ll see Ambi at some stage, even if it is only to lift Sam.
I'm not very confident at all, this Cork team worries me. Then again, I thought Kerry would beat us, likewise Kildare. We`re still there though, still in with a shout. Win, lose or draw it has been a hell of a year. Slightly unexpected, but we`ll take it all the same. We`ve rode our luck at times, got a few dubious decisions, but in other years those decisions went against us and we were cursing referees. I always say you make your own luck. Hopefully we`ll make some more on Sunday.
Agree 100%....I honestly think he was our best player in the league...class is permanent and he has it...he'll produce in the final...Cork will move Shields out to mark Benny or Marty and John will take advantage...you heard it here first..
E Cadogan and O Leary great price to be shown yellow card
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Quote from: MCMLX on September 17, 2010, 11:38:04 PM
Glad that John Clarke kept his place. Hopefully we`ll see Ambi at some stage, even if it is only to lift Sam.
I'm not very confident at all, this Cork team worries me. Then again, I thought Kerry would beat us, likewise Kildare. We`re still there though, still in with a shout. Win, lose or draw it has been a hell of a year. Slightly unexpected, but we`ll take it all the same. We`ve rode our luck at times, got a few dubious decisions, but in other years those decisions went against us and we were cursing referees. I always say you make your own luck. Hopefully we`ll make some more on Sunday.
Agree 100%....I honestly think he was our best player in the league...class is permanent and he has it...he'll produce in the final...Cork will move Shields out to mark Benny or Marty and John will take advantage...you heard it here first..
Was there ever a match where Cork didn't move Shields out?
Have been at or saw on tv 6 Down games this year - v Armagh x 2 in league, Donegal,Tyrone,Kerry and Kildare. John Clarke played in at least 4 of them games I think and don't recall him doing anything to suggest he should start. Maybe I've just caught him on days were he has been less effective. Still don't blame McCartan for not changing at this stage.
Is Cole still part of the panel?
Quote from: Redhand Santa on September 18, 2010, 01:04:06 AM
Have been at or saw on tv 6 Down games this year - v Armagh x 2 in league, Donegal,Tyrone,Kerry and Kildare. John Clarke played in at least 4 of them games I think and don't recall him doing anything to suggest he should start. Maybe I've just caught him on days were he has been less effective. Still don't blame McCartan for not changing at this stage.
Is Cole still part of the panel?
Cole hasnt been around in a while....John Clarke gets hammered because he doesnt get the same scores as Marty and Benny.....watch him play and you'll see the contribution he makes to the team.
Quote from: 5 Sams on September 18, 2010, 01:11:50 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on September 18, 2010, 01:04:06 AM
Have been at or saw on tv 6 Down games this year - v Armagh x 2 in league, Donegal,Tyrone,Kerry and Kildare. John Clarke played in at least 4 of them games I think and don't recall him doing anything to suggest he should start. Maybe I've just caught him on days were he has been less effective. Still don't blame McCartan for not changing at this stage.
Is Cole still part of the panel?
First time in 8 seasons Cole hasnt been on the panel, didnt get much of a chance last year and didnt make panel at all this term!
There can only be one winner and logic dictates that Cork whose form for 2010 despite what many seem to think is still pretty damn good, winners of the NFL comfortably and unbeaten over 70 mins of Championship football this year will be that winner..
Sunday will not be for romantics, Cork will dominate possession and will probably score about 6-8 points from frees, Cork by 4 for me...
Quote from: 5 Sams on September 18, 2010, 01:11:50 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on September 18, 2010, 01:04:06 AM
Have been at or saw on tv 6 Down games this year - v Armagh x 2 in league, Donegal,Tyrone,Kerry and Kildare. John Clarke played in at least 4 of them games I think and don't recall him doing anything to suggest he should start. Maybe I've just caught him on days were he has been less effective. Still don't blame McCartan for not changing at this stage.
Is Cole still part of the panel?
Cole hasnt been around in a while....John Clarke gets hammered because he doesnt get the same scores as Marty and Benny.....watch him play and you'll see the contribution he makes to the team.
It wasn't the lack of scores that made me question his contribution. Its the fact that he has been winning very little ball that's coming into the full forward line. In the semi plenty of ball was knocked away from him. As I said maybe he has played well in other games. I've nothing against him and hope he proves me wrong tomorrow.
score in the 1st min 15/8.....put your auntie on it!
Ahhhh the day before the AI final, the anticipation, reading the various previews and predictions, wondering how some of them will backtrack on Monday when they didn't get the result they had predicted. Will *insert player name here really start at *insert position here. Really looking forward to it
As an Armagh man believe it or not I would be delighted if Down won (though I'd feel sorry for Cork losing as well given the torment they've suffered in finals recently). I met a squad of Down boys in JFK airport on Thursday night, all heading home for the game and we had good craic. Looking forward to a great game and hopefully a Down victory , though I think Cork will take some stopping
Quote from: 5 Sams on September 18, 2010, 01:11:50 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on September 18, 2010, 01:04:06 AM
Have been at or saw on tv 6 Down games this year - v Armagh x 2 in league, Donegal,Tyrone,Kerry and Kildare. John Clarke played in at least 4 of them games I think and don't recall him doing anything to suggest he should start. Maybe I've just caught him on days were he has been less effective. Still don't blame McCartan for not changing at this stage.
Is Cole still part of the panel?
Cole hasnt been around in a while....John Clarke gets hammered because he doesnt get the same scores as Marty and Benny.....watch him play and you'll see the contribution he makes to the team.
I saw Monk at both games in Croke Park. He is one of the players you have to feel for at this stage. He gave great service to Down over the years along with others like Mickey McVeigh, Liam Doyle and Michael Walsh. If Down win tomorrow and thats a big IF, you have to feel for those lads.
John Clarke had a great league, he hasn't really hit form inn the championship, but he does a lot of work that goes unnoticed. He wins a lot of dirty ball, balls that come in low and fast and links up very well with Marty. If he has a big game tomorrow everyone will be telling you just how good he is.
Quote from: thewobbler on September 16, 2010, 10:32:56 PM
If Canty does start he'll not be fit to run around after any of the Down half-forwards. So he'd have to deployed as a sweeper. Probably in front of Coulter.
From a Down perspective, I can see Garvey and McKernan switching so that Garvey and King can put a two man wall in the direct line of Cork's running game. I'd also think that Down's best 3-4 athletes, the likes of Fitzpatrick, Hughes and Poland, will be under instructions to empty the tanks for 50 minutes, and that's their job done.
My biggest concern on Sunday is soft frees. I don't think Cork's attack has more than 8 points from play in it, and Down will balance off any goals if needed. But 5-6 unnecessary frees might be too big a challenge to get over. So keep your hands visible fellas.
Down by 4. Cork to get a couple of men sent of towards the death for dissent and handbags. Pete Fitz to be the real man of the match, martin Clarke to be the official one, Ronan Murtagh to bag 3 points.
Like this analysis Wobbler. Also like DF's take on Mc Comiskey and John Clarke. At least one of these men will score a goal and we will win the 2010 All Ireland.
The Irish Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (ISPCA) has implored Down and Cork fans not to paint farm animals in their county colours ahead of tomorrow's All-Ireland final.
Sheep, cattle and horses have been painted in the county colours in the run-up to the football decider, and ISPCA chief Barbara Vent has asked farmers to refrain from spraying their livestock, or allowing others to do so.
"Animals should not be used in such frivolities. It is totally unacceptable to be putting animals at risk by doing things like that. For what benefit? Just to have a laugh? It's silly and irresponsible."
She warned: "If the animals lick each other or themselves you don't know the implications. We would sent out the message, would farmers please be responsible and act like adults."
::)
From the moment that they ran on to the field in Newry back in January for the first game of the season against Queen's in the McKenna Cup, there was a buzz about this Down team. By the first leage match away to Kildare the following month, it had developed into a confident style and a clear sense of purpose. There have been a few twists since then, but their standards have never wavered. For one last time, to quote Brian McIver, `Heads up, chests out.' We believe in them, and tomorrow is our day.
Quote from: Mourne Rover on September 18, 2010, 11:41:33 AM
From the moment that they ran on to the field in Newry back in January for the first game of the season against Queen's in the McKenna Cup, there was a buzz about this Down team. By the first leage match away to Kildare the following month, it had developed into a confident style and a clear sense of purpose. There have been a few twists since then, but their standards have never wavered. For one last time, to quote Brian McIver, `Heads up, chests out.' We believe in them, and tomorrow is our day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAwG0mg7wSw&feature=related
Very good Tom Humphries interview with Eoin Cadogan in the Times.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2010/0918/1224279172680.html (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2010/0918/1224279172680.html)
The hurlers crossed the border into Kerry for a training weekend. Banna Strand. Bonding.
The waitress story. He insists it was a set-up. If so it was a good one.
They were eating in Abbeydorney. Having the craic at the table. Cadogan's looks are celebrated on several continents so it was no surprise when the waitress cruised by late in the meal.
"How tall are you?" she purred
Cadogan smiled. Every head leaned forward. This is what it must be like to be George Clooney.
"I'm six foot two inches," said Cadogan with the smoothness of Bond, James Bond. Not Michael.
A pause. Every breath at the table held and baited.
"And Paul Galvin beat you up?"
Uproar. He laughs now at the good of it. He heard it all summer. Hatfields and McCoys. Wear a gumshield kids, he says with a smile, and jiggles the tooth at them.
:D
Quote from: Jinxy on September 18, 2010, 02:52:56 PM
Very good Tom Humphries interview with Eoin Cadogan in the Times.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2010/0918/1224279172680.html (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2010/0918/1224279172680.html)
The hurlers crossed the border into Kerry for a training weekend. Banna Strand. Bonding.
The waitress story. He insists it was a set-up. If so it was a good one.
They were eating in Abbeydorney. Having the craic at the table. Cadogan's looks are celebrated on several continents so it was no surprise when the waitress cruised by late in the meal.
"How tall are you?" she purred
Cadogan smiled. Every head leaned forward. This is what it must be like to be George Clooney.
"I'm six foot two inches," said Cadogan with the smoothness of Bond, James Bond. Not Michael.
A pause. Every breath at the table held and baited.
"And Paul Galvin beat you up?"
Uproar. He laughs now at the good of it. He heard it all summer. Hatfields and McCoys. Wear a gumshield kids, he says with a smile, and jiggles the tooth at them.
:D
Excellent :D :D
Humphries must have a serious man-crush on Cadogan. That's the second article I've read by him where he gushes like a schoolgirl about his looks.
Some travesty if Eoin Cardigan and the Cork CCCC's win tomorrow. Tramps of the highest order led by the Ball grabber Counihan himself. Then add in the likes of Frank Murphy and Christy Cooney and you know where I'm coming from.
(http://www.hoganstand.com/general/champs/pics/thesammaguire.jpg)
the look on Cooney's puss as he hands Sam over to a Kerry man after beating his native crowd, and it took us to 37, one ahead of the langers, priceless.
Did the tour and museum today , good way to put in a couple of hours . Must say the pitch is looking amazing .
Best of luck to the Down team and management ,
Best of luck to both teams tomorrow. Don't really dislike either of them. Wish we were there but it wasn't to be.
On the face of it Cork should win especially since the weather forecast isn't great. But Down are hard to beat in Croker but Cork's greater squad depth should get them over the line.
There is something of myth about Cork's greater strength in depth.
Down are a bit light in terms of defender, but in Murtagh, Maginn and hopefully Rogers, they have 3 players very capable of leaving a huge stamp on the game.
Do Cork reasly have three such options?
Really looking forward to the game tomorrow. Hopefully both teams play to their full potential ( and Down win).
Weather forecast doesn't look great but a bit of zip on the surface may suit Down more.
Quote from: thewobbler on September 18, 2010, 09:44:15 PM
There is something of myth about Cork's greater strength in depth.
Down are a bit light in terms of defender, but in Murtagh, Maginn and hopefully Rogers, they have 3 players very capable of leaving a huge stamp on the game.
Do Cork reasly have three such options?
John Miskella, Nicholas Murphy and Colm O'Neill.
Plus rodgers won't be an option
Best of luck to Both Tyrone and Down...Bring them North lads! ;D
chaps, sorry to go off topic, (i know theres a match on tomorrow); but Aidan Farrell; whatever became of him?
He one an All Ireland, then seemed to "disappear"; did he play much more, where is he now etc;
know of him frm my un days..
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on September 18, 2010, 10:26:13 PM
chaps, sorry to go off topic, (i know theres a match on tomorrow); but Aidan Farrell; whatever became of him?
He one an All Ireland, then seemed to "disappear"; did he play much more, where is he now etc;
know of him frm my un days..
was managing Tir na Nog, Portadown a few years ago
cheers worker, do you know did he play much more? He disappeared from the county scene as quick as he arrived; i think i heard something about an injury at one stage but not sure;
Aiden still strips out if needed
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on September 18, 2010, 10:26:13 PM
chaps, sorry to go off topic, (i know theres a match on tomorrow); but Aidan Farrell; whatever became of him?
He one an All Ireland, then seemed to "disappear"; did he play much more, where is he now etc;
know of him frm my un days..
Lives in Cullyhanna in OurMa....was talking to him a few weeks ago....sound fella
Wats the weather give for tomorrow?
Good luck to Down and Tyrone tomorrow-(good to see a Derrylaughan man playing at the highest level!)
Head says Cork, heart says Down.
Quote from: thewobbler on September 18, 2010, 09:44:15 PM
There is something of myth about Cork's greater strength in depth.
Down are a bit light in terms of defender, but in Murtagh, Maginn and hopefully Rogers, they have 3 players very capable of leaving a huge stamp on the game.
Do Cork reasly have three such options?
rodgers isn't fit. Murtagh is a good player
O Neill, Miskella, Murphy. 3 serious players by any stretch.
A wet day will not suit Down. Just feel Cork have done their stretch in Purgatory. Down will be back. Cork wont be if they lose tomorrow.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 18, 2010, 06:51:21 PM
Humphries must have a serious man-crush on Cadogan. That's the second article I've read by him where he gushes like a schoolgirl about his looks.
Tom has a man crush about Cork Gaa full stop it seems. Cringeworthy.
D Day.
Last nite felt like Christmas Eve! I'm sure I saw Christy Cooney with a white beard and red sack. Gettin the Sambos ready. An Dun Abu!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
6-30am not too bad at all sleep wise really can't wait now just hope we do ourselves justice today it's been a fantastic year regardless thanks to the team and management for making us dream!!!!
Right! Thats me, I off down the road now with me hat, flags, flask and sandwiches.
Hoping for decent weather, a good day out and a great game.
Hope both Teams give of their best and may the better team win. Can hardly wait,
if you see a man at the Kennedy Way roundabout wering red & black and thumbiing please give him a lift, it will be me.
See you all in Dublin.
Havent slept a wink all night.
Unreal excitement, hope the rain stays away
An Dun Abu
Been waiting for sam .
Come in down!
Hopefully come 3pm tomo Sam will be back in the mournes!
Good luck lads!!!!
No rain in Dublin yet but it doesn't look far away .
Up Down .
Prediction time - Cork by 4 points for me.
I've followed my County to quite a few September days and although we never won one there's still no better feeling when your team runs out on the pitch for the All Ireland final. Hope everyone travelling has a great day out
jumped out of bed and was looking for my Kerry jersey and then realised we weren't playing today in the final, the drink does quare things to the mind.
Best of luck to everyone and enjoy this special day , the hairs will be standing on my neck before the game even though we're not involved, just love All Ireland final day.
My head says Cork but the heart is going for Down, its all on the day
Quote from: downredblack on September 19, 2010, 09:03:29 AM
No rain in Dublin yet but it doesn't look far away .
Up Down .
Just back from a walk round the mountain in the rain. Its still a beautiful day. All those cold McKenna Cup nights, the journeys to Longford and Limerick. The defeats to Sligo and Wicklow are what make days like this so special. We don't get there very often, we have to savour it when we do.
Stephenite says there is no better feeling than seeing your team run out onto the pitch on All Ireland final day. Everybody deserves to experience it.
Good luck to everyone today, may the best team win in the end. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OE9OaujxHPg
Really looking forward to the game today....like a lot of people at the start of the year my money would have been on Cork. But having watched Down progress this year and the brand of football they have been playing I think so far they have been the team of the year and deserve to win.
A lot of people talking about Cork hunger having been beaten in finals.....what about Down hunger, havent been in a final since '94.
I think Down have the winnings of this and I hope the do too. I like to see the team that plays the best football to win and the fact that they are from the north is a bonus!
Down Abu!
Have went for:
Tryone minors -3
Marty Clarke man of the match
E Cadogan to get a yellow card
Down+2 points
UP DOWN
Hope it all goes well for us today, orginally was quite confident we would beat Cork but the last few days have been getting a bit worried about there size.
An Dun abu
poor day weather wise in dublin. raining most of the morning. Hopefully it clears up in the afternoon and for the minors.
up the Mourne Men!
Come on Down. The price is right. 3.15 on Betfair.
Good luck to The Rebels today, both seniors and minors!
Name the other two counties never to have lost an AI football final?
Fermanagh
Donegal.
Yip. Down could lose their record today.
Limerick won their finals in 1887 & 1896 and haven't been back since.
I know. Never lost one
Best of luck Down
I hope ye do yourselves and Ulster Justice even if it does mean you can slag us off for having twice as many as us nouveau riche Tyrone lads
Miserable day here in Dublin and watching the minor match here on RTE and listening to the commentary on the BBC website
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/8612039.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/8612039.stm)
Looking good at the moment leading 1.12 to 0.07 but ye never know with this cork team though Cork have just kicked their 10th wide
I think the rain could suit Down and fancy ye to win by 5
Time will tell but hoefully at 10pm I'm trying to decide should I go to the Citywest or not
UP DOWN UP DOWN UP DOWN UP DOWN UP DOWN
Phew!!
That was close
Hope the senior game isn't so close at the end
Canty out for Cork. Feel really sorry for the guy.
Quote from: joemamas on September 19, 2010, 02:43:27 PM
Canty out for Cork. Feel really sorry for the guy.
an additional thought, Cork missing a leader, and they did not have too many of them V Dublin.
Up the Mourne Men! Monnn the Ulster Double 8)
I'm sure the Down and Tyrone crowds will be delighted to know they won it for Derry ::)
Support ye're own County and let the others look after themselves.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 19, 2010, 02:55:21 PM
I'm sure the Down and Tyrone crowds will be delighted to know they won it for Derry ::)
Support ye're own County and let the others look after themselves.
Bollix. Wouldn't you shout for Galway or mayo? I would if they were up against the Dubs or cork or tyrone even, but when a team from your province is up against one of the big teams...
Canty out . Wonder how that will change things . I think they are right if there was any doubt .Come on Cork dont let Munster down .I am actually getting nervous for them
Canty putting in a gumshield. Bullshitting?
Bernard Brogan is in the BBC studio with Martin McHugh.
Them yellow down shirts are brutal! :(
Quote from: Aerlik on September 19, 2010, 03:14:17 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 19, 2010, 02:55:21 PM
I'm sure the Down and Tyrone crowds will be delighted to know they won it for Derry ::)
Support ye're own County and let the others look after themselves.
Bollix. Wouldn't you shout for Galway or mayo?
NEEEEEEEEEEVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR >:(
Did I hear thon bollix Carney right? Jewish day of atonement my hole.
All Cork so far.
This game is bringing back memories of 2004 and 2006
Lively start from Cork but Down will settle into it.
Bad start for Down midfield and full back line
Down are ahead despite the poor start.
Conditions spoiling it - players slipping and ball not bouncing true.
Poor stuff so far - lots of wides being kicked - especially Down.
If Marty Carke was to have a shite it would be a beautiful shite ::)
How many times will we here recycle today. What crap term
Down settling nicely.
Quote from: Hardy on September 19, 2010, 03:45:48 PM
Down settling nicely.
You say that like it's a good thing?
Miskella was totally at fault for that last score. Made a good run up the pitch but shot off balanced and when he had a man in a better position.
ideal start for Down but can they keep it going?
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on September 19, 2010, 03:48:32 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 19, 2010, 03:45:48 PM
Down settling nicely.
You say that like it's a good thing?
Certainly. Can't be having Cork winning. Specially not with Down backed.
I listened to Micheál for 10 minutes, but his commentary is about 2 seconds ahead of my picture - can't really stick with that, but what a frustrating experience to go back listening to the other two.
Cork are totally clueless at the moment.
Quote from: tyroneboi on September 19, 2010, 03:51:18 PM
Cork are totally clueless at the moment.
Absolutely brainless. Down playing far more intelligent football.
nearly half an hour gone, 7-2 to Down and Cork still not scored from play!! :o
Quote from: Hardy on September 19, 2010, 03:50:26 PM
I listened to Micheál for 10 minutes, but his commentary is about 2 seconds ahead of my picture - can't really stick with that, but what a frustrating experience to go back listening to the other two.
About 5 seconds behind here in Oz, shame as I was looking forward to listening to his last game.
Cork are very disappointing so far
Neither Cork midfielder can give a pass longer than 10 yards.
Counihan can't afford to wait till half-time to make changes.
I said all week that when this Cork team couldn't beat us - a shadow of what we were last year - they are not much good. I seriously cant see them turning it around.
Yeah Jinxy but Walsh is playing well for Cork. Hes winning a ton of ball. But cork are absolutely clueless when they get it
Cork have been absolutely hopeless so far. Will take some turnround to get them back into this game. Need a few scores.
Take Alan O'Connor off, move Pearse O'Neill into midfield, Donncha O'Connor to centre forward and bring Colm O'Neill on at FF.
That's what Cork need to do.
Great catch there by Coulter.
hmm this game reminds me of the Dublin semi, Down will need to be winning by 5 with 10 mins to go to win it...
Cork just tipping away..
This has been a woeful performance from Cork thus far.. couple of early scores for Down in 2nd half & doing the basics right should see them out
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 19, 2010, 04:05:57 PM
hmm this game reminds me of the Dublin semi, Down will need to be winning by 5 with 10 mins to go to win it...
Cork just tipping away..
cant believe cork are only 3 down considering they didn't play for 25 mins
Clarke must tape his socks up. Must be a carry over from aussie
What happened Pearse O'Neill over the winter?
Did he get injured?
He's nowhere near as athletic as he was last season.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 19, 2010, 04:07:01 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 19, 2010, 04:05:57 PM
hmm this game reminds me of the Dublin semi, Down will need to be winning by 5 with 10 mins to go to win it...
Cork just tipping away..
cant believe cork are only 3 down considering they didn't play for 25 mins
And we have to remember Cork's strategy this year seems to have been to finish with their best team on the field. Down need a cushion for the last ten minutes.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 19, 2010, 04:09:24 PM
What happened Pearse O'Neill over the winter?
Did he get injured?
He's nowhere near as athletic as he was last season.
His 1-3 vs us won the game :(
Sure I'd look athletic against ye. :P
Very hard to get excited about this game. Some bit of excitement required.
As for Jinxy ... stick to the rugby like the rest of ye
Footballing brains are the difference between the teams so far. Cork don't seem to have one !
Quote from: Rossfan on September 19, 2010, 04:13:19 PM
Very hard to get excited about this game. Some bit of excitement required.
As for Jinxy ... stick to the rugby like the rest of ye
:D ;)
Down have kicked as many wides as Cork neither side looks intelligent in posession Cork just less so..
Cork in trouble .Kissane well off pace .Need Nic Murphy to come in Down really good
Quote from: Rossfan on September 19, 2010, 04:13:19 PM
Very hard to get excited about this game. Some bit of excitement required.
As for Jinxy ... stick to the rugby like the rest of ye
Excellent :D
Big Murphy on
Betfair now:
Down 1.98
Cork 2.46
Quote from: Hardy on September 19, 2010, 03:50:00 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on September 19, 2010, 03:48:32 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 19, 2010, 03:45:48 PM
Down settling nicely.
You say that like it's a good thing?
Certainly. Can't be having Cork winning. Specially not with Down backed.
:D
I don't mind Down, I spent the first 5 years of my life living in Down so I know they all aren't bad ;D
Having said that, tomorrow in work would not be a good day if Down were to win as there are too many arrogant Down supporters in work
It must be frustrating being a Cork fan knowing each day that they can be much better but never really show it.
It is a bit like the Cork v Dublin game alright and with Down looking the much better team you just know Cork will work their way back into it as they did in the minors today as well.
I hate those type of games where you're leading but just about and know it could be snatched away from you right at the death.
At least in 2003 Tyrone had that great block by Gormley to save our bacon.
Will we have a similar ending to this game?
Its not a great game so far but that's not Down's fault and I'd say they wont care come 5pm if they've sneaked past the post.
Coldrick not having a bad game.
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on September 19, 2010, 04:24:11 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 19, 2010, 03:50:00 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on September 19, 2010, 03:48:32 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 19, 2010, 03:45:48 PM
Down settling nicely.
You say that like it's a good thing?
Certainly. Can't be having Cork winning. Specially not with Down backed.
:D
I don't mind Down, I spent the first 5 years of my life living in Down so I know they all aren't bad ;D
Having said that, tomorrow in work would not be a good day if Down were to win as there are too many arrogant Down supporters in work
They'd be in work?!
Quote from: Maguire01 on September 19, 2010, 04:31:28 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on September 19, 2010, 04:24:11 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 19, 2010, 03:50:00 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on September 19, 2010, 03:48:32 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 19, 2010, 03:45:48 PM
Down settling nicely.
You say that like it's a good thing?
Certainly. Can't be having Cork winning. Specially not with Down backed.
:D
I don't mind Down, I spent the first 5 years of my life living in Down so I know they all aren't bad ;D
Having said that, tomorrow in work would not be a good day if Down were to win as there are too many arrogant Down supporters in work
They'd be in work?!
Yes! ;D
Some match now.
The Cork dressing room must have been some craic at half time. Different team out for the second half
some intensity out there now
aiden walsh is unreal out there today
And McKernan secures his All-Star.
Gordon not a full back and getting it tight
McComiskey has been one of Downs best players and he takes him off? Murtagh should have been on earlier for Clarke.
some difference in rte and bbc you'd think the evil bbc were in the croke park broom cupboard very little atmosphere, seems to have picked up in the 2nd half though maybe somebody let them out or left the door open :D
down need a goal
Quote from: tyroneboi on September 19, 2010, 04:45:49 PM
McComiskey has been one of Downs best players and he takes him off? Murtagh should have been on earlier for Clarke.
crazy sub by down. Cork 2 up now
D. O'Connor is flying today. Poor old Dan is getting a bad drubbing.
All Cork now. Down need a goal to get their tails back up again
Cork changes all positive..
Down need their leaders to stand-up neither Benny or MC have scored from play...
Its bad when Coulter has to go out that far for ball
Much improved performance from Cork in this half they have also done a good job on the Down Danger men thus far...
Cork could find a way to make a balls of this yet.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 19, 2010, 04:54:00 PM
Cork could find a way to make a balls of this yet.
Down can't win enough of the ball to do damage and I don't think they have a good plan b
O'Connor MOTM
or Down could find a way to win it themselves
Why was Benny booked but his man not as he was hit after he released the ball
Yeah it was a peno
Lucky there Down
Blatent penalty
What is it about that goal mouth
and player of the year for Donnacha as well
McKernan loves rolling around the square at the canal end as much as big joe. :D
Congrats Cork they deserved to win just... for Down the proud record over!
That is why folk we love our Gaelic Games , what a 2nd half of football...
Commiserations Down
Cork really lifted their performance in that second half
no posters with new names- :(
Feel gutted for Down, but congrats to Cork. Goulding finished with what, 10 points?
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 19, 2010, 05:03:58 PM
That is why folk we love our Gaelic Games , what a 2nd half of football...
I couldn't agree more
A great tussle. Thanks to both teams for the entertainment.
Delighted for Conor Counihan after his family loss, won the battle of the sideline hands down in the 2nd half...
Commiserations Down, lack of experience cost you I think..
McCumisky, King, Poland, Clarke all taken off but they were not replaced with the same quality. Fair play to Cork though. The demons are put to bed now
Happy for Cork :)
Great match , well done to both teams .The Cork changes really worked . Time to emigrate now .
"Down don't lose All Ireland Finals." RIP.
Fair fucks to Cork. They had nothing in the first half but they had the bench.
Congratulations to Cork, they maybe didnt have a vintage summer but they pulled it out when it mattered and are deserving champions. Tough on Down, great effort by them. Will be interesting to see if Down can now build on what they have done this summer and challenge again in the years ahead.
Gripping game, right to the end.
Cork worthy champions.
An outstanding year for Down.
think cork deserved it. They've taken all the shit thats been thrown at them and won the ultimate.
Fair play
Got them at 11-1 at the start of the year. So thats over 600 notes for myself. ;D
Berno POTY- guaranteed.
So they can do away with the tradition of pitch invasions, but captains continue with the 'three cheers - hip-hip' cringefest.
Pretty shite match I thought. Down had nothing in the second half and got absolutely cleaned out in midfield for the majority of the game.
RTE was out so was forced to endure:
Mark Sidebottom repeatedly referring to Nicholas Murphy as Graham Canty
Peter Canavan being an absolute knob
Martin McHugh giving out about McKernan being penalised a 45, eve though he readily admits it was a penalty. Generally saying Down have reason to be upset with the referee. My hole.
Congrats Cork.
Another deflated cup celebrations thanks Cooney
Clarke is some player, Down will be back next year
best team won in the end, Cork done another job on Down like they did on the Dubs
Quote from: ross4life on September 19, 2010, 04:56:11 PM
O'Connor MOTM
has to be, player of the year - not a chance.
Down just not good enough, cleaned out in the middle of the field for the second half. Cork did well in the end, but jaysus it took them a while to get going. Better bench wins it again.
Quote from: gallsman on September 19, 2010, 05:11:12 PM
Pretty shite match I thought. Down had nothing in the second half and got absolutely cleaned out in midfield for the majority of the game.
RTE was out so was forced to endure:
Mark Sidebottom repeatedly referring to Nicholas Murphy as Graham Canty
Peter Canavan being an absolute knob
Martin McHugh giving out about McKernan being penalised a 45, eve though he readily admits it was a penalty. Generally saying Down have reason to be upset with the referee. My hole.
Congrats Cork.
I think watching the game on BBC made a huge difference to your opinion. I watched it on BBC as I had no choice and the atmosphere seemed awful. Interesting that most down south thought it was a cracker.
Well done to Cork. They certainly gave a great 2nd half. I didnt think they'd do it but they tore into Down when they had to in the 2nd half. They do have a great bench to empty and Counihan made good use of it. Good to see Sam will be residing next door to us for the next 12 months.
Thank f**k for that, Cork clearly the better team though I thought they were going to blow it.
Quote from: ExiledGael on September 19, 2010, 05:14:08 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 19, 2010, 05:11:12 PM
Pretty shite match I thought. Down had nothing in the second half and got absolutely cleaned out in midfield for the majority of the game.
RTE was out so was forced to endure:
Mark Sidebottom repeatedly referring to Nicholas Murphy as Graham Canty
Peter Canavan being an absolute knob
Martin McHugh giving out about McKernan being penalised a 45, eve though he readily admits it was a penalty. Generally saying Down have reason to be upset with the referee. My hole.
Congrats Cork.
I think watching the game on BBC made a huge difference to your opinion. I watched it on BBC as I had no choice and the atmosphere seemed awful. Interesting that most down south thought it was a cracker.
I flicked between the two - atmosphere was miles better on RTÉ - the sound was totally muted on BBC.
McHugh on BBC crying that Cork havent beat Kerry! - what a bollix.!!
it was a good game. It certainly wasn't a cracker.
Really enjoyed that game. Glad Cork showed their true colours in the 2nd half. Marty Clarke is some player though, he will be a legend.
Would usually cheer on the Ulster county but i cheered on my wager instead.
And it's an anti climax without the supporters on the pitch.
Quote from: ExiledGael on September 19, 2010, 05:14:08 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 19, 2010, 05:11:12 PM
Pretty shite match I thought. Down had nothing in the second half and got absolutely cleaned out in midfield for the majority of the game.
RTE was out so was forced to endure:
Mark Sidebottom repeatedly referring to Nicholas Murphy as Graham Canty
Peter Canavan being an absolute knob
Martin McHugh giving out about McKernan being penalised a 45, eve though he readily admits it was a penalty. Generally saying Down have reason to be upset with the referee. My hole.
Congrats Cork.
I think watching the game on BBC made a huge difference to your opinion. I watched it on BBC as I had no choice and the atmosphere seemed awful. Interesting that most down south thought it was a cracker.
Maybe. In fairness it was wet and slippy which didn't make it seem such a good spectacle.
Despite being woeful in the first half Cork still had plenty of the ball and were able to turn it into scores in the second.
I don't think Down will be at the top table too long but hopefully making the final can inspire them next year and make Ulster a bit more competitive.
Hard luck to Down although I think Cork deserved it. Seems a bit dull without the pitch invasion.
McHugh now talking shite about Down wearing the yellow jerseys. He was on about it before the match as well.
BBC is a joke.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on September 19, 2010, 05:08:44 PM
"Down don't lose All Ireland Finals." RIP.
Fair f**ks to Cork. They had nothing in the first half but they had the bench.
To the bit in bold all I have to say is hahahahahahahaha
I know, I am being an annoying ****, can't help it, hope MCMLX sees it ;D
Looks rubbish when they are doing a lap to a half empty stand. Would all that ticker tape not be a health and safety hazzard also?
Quote from: gallsman on September 19, 2010, 05:22:29 PM
McHugh now talking shite about Down wearing the yellow jerseys. He was on about it before the match as well.
BBC is a joke.
Just heard that myself. Bernard Brogan must have wished he stayed in Dublin that sit beside that eejit!
surely Aidan Walsh should be man of the match. Consistent 70 mins.
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on September 19, 2010, 05:12:06 PM
Clarke is some player, Down will be back next year
Quote from: ardchieftain on September 19, 2010, 05:21:03 PM
Really enjoyed that game. Glad Cork showed their true colours in the 2nd half. Marty Clarke is some player though, he will be a legend.
Had little impact today I thought.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 19, 2010, 05:25:30 PM
surely Aidan Walsh should be man of the match. Consistent 70 mins.
He won a pile of ball when it was needed.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 19, 2010, 05:25:30 PM
surely Aidan Walsh should be man of the match. Consistent 70 mins.
Well he went along way to proving me wrong anyway. That was easily his most consistent display all year. He won a serious amount of ball. O Connor would be my shout for man of the match though, his three points from play came at critical points in the game
I'm just glad Cork won the match by playing a bit of football. Was worried at half time, they would win by stuttering over the line
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Quote from: INDIANA on September 19, 2010, 05:25:30 PM
surely Aidan Walsh should be man of the match. Consistent 70 mins.
Well he went along way to proving me wrong anyway. That was easily his most consistent display all year. He won a serious amount of ball. O Connor would be my shout for man of the match though, his three points from play came at critical points in the game
I'm just glad Cork won the match by playing a bit of football. Was worried at half time, they would win by stuttering over the line
If he refines his skills a tad he could be sensational.
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on September 19, 2010, 05:23:07 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on September 19, 2010, 05:08:44 PM
"Down don't lose All Ireland Finals." RIP.
Fair f**ks to Cork. They had nothing in the first half but they had the bench.
To the bit in bold all I have to say is hahahahahahahaha
I know, I am being an annoying ****, can't help it, hope MCMLX sees it ;D
A lot of red faces in down and not just from some knobs on here from what I hear....
whats the betting bernard brogans somewhere about sprucefield thumping the steering and shouting to himself "never again" >:(
Quote from: lawnseed on September 19, 2010, 05:39:04 PM
whats the betting bernard brogans somewhere about sprucefield thumping the steering and shouting to himself "never again" >:(
I'd say he's probably sitting down to a slapup feed and thinking about the nice big pay-cheque.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 19, 2010, 05:27:31 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on September 19, 2010, 05:12:06 PM
Clarke is some player, Down will be back next year
Quote from: ardchieftain on September 19, 2010, 05:21:03 PM
Really enjoyed that game. Glad Cork showed their true colours in the 2nd half. Marty Clarke is some player though, he will be a legend.
Had little impact today I thought.
Seriously i cant believe it- he has little or no influence on the game today and people are still harping on. Though hopefully Clarke will be back in the next few years and becomes on the great centre forwards.
Murphy coming on at half time made a significant difference.
i think Jerome used up the budget Maguire :D
Quote from: Maguire01 on September 19, 2010, 05:40:32 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on September 19, 2010, 05:39:04 PM
whats the betting bernard brogans somewhere about sprucefield thumping the steering and shouting to himself "never again" >:(
I'd say he's probably sitting down to a slapup feed and thinking about the nice big pay-cheque.
What exactly is a slap-up feed? Always wondered
a slap up feed in the gaa dept of the bbc would be a packet of lidl crisps and smak lemonade. they used to give £2.50 bottles of fizzy garage wine as motm trophys even to fellas who were teetotal.
Quote from: haze on September 19, 2010, 05:42:54 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 19, 2010, 05:27:31 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on September 19, 2010, 05:12:06 PM
Clarke is some player, Down will be back next year
Quote from: ardchieftain on September 19, 2010, 05:21:03 PM
Really enjoyed that game. Glad Cork showed their true colours in the 2nd half. Marty Clarke is some player though, he will be a legend.
Had little impact today I thought.
Seriously i cant believe it- he has little or no influence on the game today and people are still harping on. Though hopefully Clarke will be back in the next few years and becomes on the great centre forwards.
Murphy coming on at half time made a significant difference.
There's lads here, that if they were beside Clarke while he bought a pint of milk in the shop, they'd say to the shop keeper "Did you see the way he handed over the money there and waited patiently for his change? Like he had all the time in the world. Pure class."
cairan mc keever showes him a clean pair of heels..
here we go :D :D
Quote from: Jinxy on September 19, 2010, 05:52:16 PM
There's lads here, that if they were beside Clarke while he bought a pint of milk in the shop, they'd say to the shop keeper "Did you see the way he handed over the money there and waited patiently for his change? Like he had all the time in the world. Pure class."
You are being a WUM. Clarke is just pure class no matter what he does. The rest of the Down team don't measure up. Maybe that's what happened them today?
Quote from: Jinxy on September 19, 2010, 05:52:16 PM
Quote from: haze on September 19, 2010, 05:42:54 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 19, 2010, 05:27:31 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on September 19, 2010, 05:12:06 PM
Clarke is some player, Down will be back next year
Quote from: ardchieftain on September 19, 2010, 05:21:03 PM
Really enjoyed that game. Glad Cork showed their true colours in the 2nd half. Marty Clarke is some player though, he will be a legend.
Had little impact today I thought.
Seriously i cant believe it- he has little or no influence on the game today and people are still harping on. Though hopefully Clarke will be back in the next few years and becomes on the great centre forwards.
Murphy coming on at half time made a significant difference.
There's lads here, that if they were beside Clarke while he bought a pint of milk in the shop, they'd say to the shop keeper "Did you see the way he handed over the money there and waited patiently for his change? Like he had all the time in the world. Pure class."
At one stage, Canning goes "O Leary can't get near Clarke"... yet from what i was watching at that exact moment he had too hands on him!
Kerrigan's point in the second half was one of the great scores in an All Ireland final. The determination alone reminded me of Doohers score in 2008
Quote from: lawnseed on September 19, 2010, 05:55:13 PM
cairan mc keever showes him a clean pair of heels..
here we go :D :D
Finnian Mo marked him in the Div 2 final and kept him scoreless from play and virtually anonymous in terms of other moves he tried
Never mind Clarke, why wasn't Coulter playing today?
Thought clarke was very poor today (with a poor marker on him), and no better than ordinary on any other day i saw him - including the semi and quarter finals. hughes is much better and his fading in the second half was the key loss for down. that and taking off mc cumiskey (wtf?)
What was the craic with the Down management rowing over Rafferty's substitution? Was there much to this or were the RTE lads full of shit?
Quote from: AFS on September 19, 2010, 06:05:00 PM
What was the craic with the Down management rowing over Rafferty's substitution? Was there much to this or were the RTE lads full of shit?
Not sure, they flashed to conflict between wee James and Down's background team and as soon as they showed it they cut from it
to be honest down were there on a wing and a prayer, cork are great athletes but not great footballers. for the second time the boys in white coats could have seriously changed the outcome of the premier tournament. had down equalised or even won the rebels could have pointed to a clear penalty- denied.
Down seniors didn't win any trophy this year.
Funny type of game. Down were cruising up until the half-hour mark, then cork got a few scores and then went on and brought on the subs in the 2nd half and won the game. Anyway, why were John Clarke and McComiskey taken off? Very disappointed in Coulter, Marty Clarke was brilliant in the first half when things were going well for Down, in the 2nd half he seemed to fade too.
Well one Cork, deserved win. Plenty of football ability as well as athletic ability.
I have great regard for Down too, made everything around the final a great occasion, unlike some other counties they have a bit of class about them.
Quote from: DuffleKing on September 19, 2010, 06:02:38 PM
Thought clarke was very poor today (with a poor marker on him), and no better than ordinary on any other day i saw him - including the semi and quarter finals. hughes is much better and his fading in the second half was the key loss for down. that and taking off mc cumiskey (wtf?)
Totally uncalled for. He has a very good first half. the simple fact is your half forward line cannot function without at least 40 percent posession won at midfield. very little ball broke- most of it was clean catching which beggars belief in my opinion in the modern game.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on September 19, 2010, 06:23:07 PM
Down seniors didn't win any trophy this year.
Thankfully :D
Quote from: fearglasmor on September 19, 2010, 06:30:15 PM
Well one Cork, deserved win. Plenty of football ability as well as athletic ability.
I have great regard for Down too, made everything around the final a great occasion, unlike some other counties they have a bit of class about them.
Easier to say when you don't have to live next door to them.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 18, 2010, 12:59:26 AM
E Cadogan and O Leary great price to be shown yellow card
Oh Really, Yeah! What a horrible bet to offer on the back of two very sporting players. I'm glad that nobody won money on that awful bet.
Quote from: jas376 on September 19, 2010, 07:44:49 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 18, 2010, 12:59:26 AM
E Cadogan and O Leary great price to be shown yellow card
Oh Really, Yeah! What a horrible bet to offer on the back of two very sporting players. I'm glad that nobody won money on that awful bet.
If ever I needed a reminder of why I dislike Cork its you
Well done Cork - hard luck Down.
Great final. Full of swings and roundabouts.
My Cork mother is very happy and that's good enough for me.
Hope Hardy brings a cake into the office tomorrow!
Quote from: INDIANA on September 19, 2010, 05:20:41 PM
it was a good game. It certainly wasn't a cracker.
good last 20 or so, pretty poor before that - the first half was awful.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on September 19, 2010, 06:23:07 PM
Down seniors didn't win any trophy this year.
Amazing insight!
No trophy, but probably a more 'successful' year than a lot of teams who did win trophies - Armagh, Meath, Kerry, Tyrone...
Quote from: INDIANA on September 19, 2010, 07:46:39 PM
Quote from: jas376 on September 19, 2010, 07:44:49 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 18, 2010, 12:59:26 AM
E Cadogan and O Leary great price to be shown yellow card
Oh Really, Yeah! What a horrible bet to offer on the back of two very sporting players. I'm glad that nobody won money on that awful bet.
If ever I needed a reminder of why I dislike Cork its you
You don't know me so please don't judge me. As for the bet, would you bet on players being penalised? It's the first time that I've ever heard of it. I hope that it doesn't become common practice.
Quote from: ExiledGael on September 19, 2010, 05:45:09 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on September 19, 2010, 05:40:32 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on September 19, 2010, 05:39:04 PM
whats the betting bernard brogans somewhere about sprucefield thumping the steering and shouting to himself "never again" >:(
I'd say he's probably sitting down to a slapup feed and thinking about the nice big pay-cheque.
What exactly is a slap-up feed? Always wondered
Probably a steak.
Quote from: lawnseed on September 19, 2010, 06:15:35 PM
to be honest down were there on a wing and a prayer, cork are great athletes but not great footballers. for the second time the boys in white coats could have seriously changed the outcome of the premier tournament. had down equalised or even won the rebels could have pointed to a clear penalty- denied.
it would have been a very harsh penalty imo, whilst he may have just touched the ball on the ground (but may not have) it had no influence on the ball, i'd liken it to an unavoidable ball to hand situation rather than the other way round.
Well done to Cork and many congratulations for having stuck with it. These Cork lads have endured a lot of hurt as past few years and you couldn't bergrudge them their win.
I reallt feel sorry for Down who played Cork off the park in the first half. The few scores thart Ceork got in the latter stages of the first half left them within touching distance at half time and gave them the belief that they could go out and win the 2nd half.
One of the highlights of game and worth the admission fee alone was the mount of high feilding on display by both sides - the best example has to be Benny Coulter's high fetch on the edge of the sqaure in the first half - pure class.
Pride has been restored in Down football. Well done to the players and management. They've played some lovely football this year and it's a joy to watch when they're in full flow.
Again, congrats to Cork. They deserved their win and it was one that was coming for a long time.
Quote from: jas376 on September 19, 2010, 07:58:33 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 19, 2010, 07:46:39 PM
Quote from: jas376 on September 19, 2010, 07:44:49 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 18, 2010, 12:59:26 AM
E Cadogan and O Leary great price to be shown yellow card
Oh Really, Yeah! What a horrible bet to offer on the back of two very sporting players. I'm glad that nobody won money on that awful bet.
If ever I needed a reminder of why I dislike Cork its you
You don't know me so please don't judge me. As for the bet, would you bet on players being penalised? It's the first time that I've ever heard of it. I hope that it doesn't become common practice.
I don't need to know you. I only have to read the drivel you post. Perhaps you should direct your ire about the people offering the bets if you feel that badly about it.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 19, 2010, 08:14:56 PM
Quote from: jas376 on September 19, 2010, 07:58:33 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 19, 2010, 07:46:39 PM
Quote from: jas376 on September 19, 2010, 07:44:49 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 18, 2010, 12:59:26 AM
E Cadogan and O Leary great price to be shown yellow card
Oh Really, Yeah! What a horrible bet to offer on the back of two very sporting players. I'm glad that nobody won money on that awful bet.
If ever I needed a reminder of why I dislike Cork its you
You don't know me so please don't judge me. As for the bet, would you bet on players being penalised? It's the first time that I've ever heard of it. I hope that it doesn't become common practice.
I don't need to know you. I only have to read the drivel you post. Perhaps you should direct your ire about the people offering the bets if you feel that badly about it.
Sorry, I thought that this was a discussion forum - I must be in the wrong place then.
Congratulations to Cork, I think they just about deserved the win. Down played an heroic game and I think were at the very top of what they could do today but it was just not to be. I think Down supporters should be very proud of their players and management. I think it is very sad to read on this thread the nasty sniping from some fellow Ulstermen. As a Cavan man I have been at an awful lot of games against Down in different age groups through out the years and I have found them to be some of the best behaved supporters in Ulster. This year gives Down a great platform to build on and it is worth noting that your Tyrones and Armaghs had to take a right few beatings over the years before their team made it to the top.
Really not a very good game or a particularly enjoyable event. Cork were awful in the first half and Down had a good spell in the middle of it but the half time lead felt very fragile to me. Cork should have been well ahead after five minutes but I feared that their sloppiness in front of goal would cost them. Thought Down were more composed in possession at that stage and played some great football but overall it was ordianry. Cork's introduc tion of Murphy at HT was crucial. They won so they won't worry but I thought that he shopuld have been in 15 minutes before HT/ The timing of Canty's introduction worked a treat too and although his direct influence only lasted for about 15 / 20 minutes, it was central to the turnaround. The man that drove that turnaround thought has Kerrigan whose running forced the spaces and the chances. For me the m-o-m is between him and O'Connor who really had Gordon in trouble from the first minute - if Cork had kept feeding him, they would have been comfortable a lot earlier. There was a lot of talk on radio about Goulding. Yes he got 9 points but personally, I don't agree with giving m-o-m awards to guys who score frees - particulalry when they do little else. On the whole I can away from the day feeling rather underwhelmed... a friend declared that it was a victory for machismo over any semblance of football ability, and I tend to agree with him... with the caveat that there was some football played on both sides but nowhere near enough.
Finally, listened to Micheal O'M today as I watched, as I had done in the hurling final. I think he is wise in stepping down while folk see him as being ahead. He really does struggle to keep up with the game, continuously calls the players wrong and often is unable to explain what has happened when there is a break in play. Given that most listeners aren't actually watching the game, it may not make much difference, and maybe he was always missing things but he is right to go now...
Quote from: Bogball XV on September 19, 2010, 08:00:45 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on September 19, 2010, 06:15:35 PM
to be honest down were there on a wing and a prayer, cork are great athletes but not great footballers. for the second time the boys in white coats could have seriously changed the outcome of the premier tournament. had down equalised or even won the rebels could have pointed to a clear penalty- denied.
it would have been a very harsh penalty imo, whilst he may have just touched the ball on the ground (but may not have) it had no influence on the ball, i'd liken it to an unavoidable ball to hand situation rather than the other way round.
f**k that, he blatantly lifted it off the ground about three inches from his goal.
Not having a go at you or anything but how on earth was it unavoidable??
Also, jas376, you're absolutely right that this is a discussion forum, so here's my two cents.
Cadogan and O'Leary are two of the filthiest c***ts ever to have played in Croke Park.
Quote from: Bogball XV on September 19, 2010, 07:53:34 PM
good last 20 or so, pretty poor before that.
+1.
I dont know if it was because I didnt mind who won or that the game was poor but I just coudnt get anyway excited or wound up abut the game today.
Still I don't expect Cork will be too bothered 8)
I wanted Cork to win because I think it'll be a weight off their shoulders and now they can get back to being a fast, direct, footballing team instead of the cagey, safety-first, lateral hand-passing outfit they have become.
Quote from: gallsman on September 19, 2010, 08:31:05 PM
Quote from: Bogball XV on September 19, 2010, 08:00:45 PM
Quote from: lawnseed on September 19, 2010, 06:15:35 PM
to be honest down were there on a wing and a prayer, cork are great athletes but not great footballers. for the second time the boys in white coats could have seriously changed the outcome of the premier tournament. had down equalised or even won the rebels could have pointed to a clear penalty- denied.
it would have been a very harsh penalty imo, whilst he may have just touched the ball on the ground (but may not have) it had no influence on the ball, i'd liken it to an unavoidable ball to hand situation rather than the other way round.
f**k that, he blatantly lifted it off the ground about three inches from his goal.
Not having a go at you or anything but how on earth was it unavoidable??
i didn't see it as a clear lift, i thought he just barely touched the ball with his hand whilst it was on the ground, and that the ball was slightly off the ground when he took possession. i'd need to see it again though, my auld eyes aren't as hot as they used to be.
Quote from: gallsman on September 19, 2010, 08:35:46 PM
Also, jas376, you're absolutely right that this is a discussion forum, so here's my two cents.
Cadogan and O'Leary are two of the filthiest c***ts ever to have played in Croke Park.
harsh, but they were definitely value to be booked. And somebody won, cos if the punters didn't, then the bookies did.
also I think a few people are being a harsh on cork, i've never credited them with having decent forwards but today sheahan, o'connor and kerrigan all took some great scores. Their domination in the second half was total until about the 65th minute, which is why clarke and coulter looked poor (was very impressed with Poland today), down couldn't win any ball and forwards struggle without it. Great run by coulter into his own half to win the ball for that point by fitzpatrick? But it showed the lengths they had to go to try and win ball.
I wouldn't see this Down side hanging around too long, although maybe Rogers would make a big difference to that midfield.
Still, for a side that could have exited Ulster to Donegal, that was a great season.
Quote from: Bogball XV on September 19, 2010, 08:46:47 PM
also I think a few people are being a harsh on cork, i've never credited them with having decent forwards but today sheahan, o'connor and kerrigan all took some great scores. Their domination in the second half was total until about the 65th minute, which is why clarke and coulter looked poor (was very impressed with Poland today), down couldn't win any ball and forwards struggle without it. Great run by coulter into his own half to win the ball for that point by fitzpatrick? But it showed the lengths they had to go to try and win ball.
I wouldn't see this Down side hanging around too long, although maybe Rogers would make a big difference to that midfield.
Still, for a side that could have exited Ulster to Donegal, that was a great season.
I thought Poland was excellent myself though not everybody i spoke to agreed. Have to say i thought Coulter had a good game, he won quite a bit of ball around the middle sector, his best position is probably midfield.
Quote from: Bogball XV on September 19, 2010, 08:46:47 PM
also I think a few people are being a harsh on cork, i've never credited them with having decent forwards but today sheahan, o'connor and kerrigan all took some great scores. Their domination in the second half was total until about the 65th minute, which is why clarke and coulter looked poor (was very impressed with Poland today), down couldn't win any ball and forwards struggle without it. Great run by coulter into his own half to win the ball for that point by fitzpatrick? But it showed the lengths they had to go to try and win ball.
I wouldn't see this Down side hanging around too long, although maybe Rogers would make a big difference to that midfield.
Still, for a side that could have exited Ulster to Donegal, that was a great season.
the reason Cork don't look a great side is becasue they haven't any great players yet. Some of their younger ones should develop into great players but as yet thye haven't any bar maybe Canty. What they have is 20 very good inter county footballers. No other county has that. That is why they aren't as aethetically pleasing as other teams. However perhaps thye have a better winning formula then any other county.
Just back from game......a cracking 2nd half.Cork by far the better team and amazed only 1 point in it at the end. Referee favoured Down imo.Emotional outcome with Murphy,Canty,O'Leary etc deservedly getting their AI medals.
Down's substitutions baffled me ........ lads taken off must have been injured. Counihan played a blinder.
Thought roof would come off when Sam was lifted.
Down by losing the AIF revert to the land of the mortals........ welcome to the club lads.
Pleasure to have been there.
Great to see pure character and failure to whinge/wallow in self pity rewarded today. Well done Cork.
better team won on the day well done the langers , its great to be from Munster.
Cork won the National League as well so the strong correlation between League & Championship continues.
Congrats to Cork, better team won on the day, playing a brilliant brand of football in the 2nd half. Their inside forward line was superb, while their midfield dominance - kudos to Nicholas Murphy- was amazing. Also, this is a Down team that loves scoring goals and never got a snuff today, which tells a story of a well organised defence.
I'd have minor gripes about 2 mins of injury time and dubious frees, but in truth if Down had have won, it would have been stolen.
The most telling thing for me today was the sheer athleticism of the Cork team. Forget hard training -down do plenty of that - this was just savage natural athleticism on view from the Rebels. The heavier ground suited them 100%.
Anyway thanks to James and the boys for a great year. It may have ended on a dampener, but pride is well and truly restored. Any Down fans feeling sore or disappointed now should just recall the overwhelming elation with 15 mins to go inbthe quarter final when we knew Kerry were gone, or the tremendous relief when that final whistle came against Kildare.
It's been a great year.
Fair play to you wobbler for being gracious in defeat. A lot of your county men on here could do with a lesson or 2 in humility
It's a very minor gripe, and probably as much to do with my dislike for Marty Morrissey, but I hate the way a microphone was shoved in Counihans face about 30 seconds after the final whistle so Marty can ask him a raft of stupid questions.
Did anyone find it strange that a Cork player swapped shirts after the match? Not sure who it was & he had Benny Coulters( I think) top on during the lap of honour. If I had just won an All Ireland I wouldn't be swapping tops.
Cork played the ball too short in the first 1/2. Once they went more direct in the second they were just a little too good. I would like to see Gordon play alongside his man a bit more, Cork I think tried to isolate him and O'Connor a bit. Every free or 45 you just knew watching that Goulding would score. Only losing by a point was no disgrace. They could have maybe have nicked it if Hughes last fisted point had somehow landed in the net. Playing in division 1 should help Down next year to get more experience of playing tough teams every couple of weeks.
Fair play to Cork they have had a lot of knockers but they are now league and AI winners.
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on September 19, 2010, 05:57:38 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 19, 2010, 05:52:16 PM
There's lads here, that if they were beside Clarke while he bought a pint of milk in the shop, they'd say to the shop keeper "Did you see the way he handed over the money there and waited patiently for his change? Like he had all the time in the world. Pure class."
You are being a WUM. Clarke is just pure class no matter what he does. The rest of the Down team don't measure up. Maybe that's what happened them today?
Hasn't stamped his mark on games this year like he should. Descriptions like "classy", "skilful" etc are hollow words. I'd rather have a player with less skill and more impact.
Quote from: Two Hands FFS on September 19, 2010, 09:59:43 PM
Did anyone find it strange that a Cork player swapped shirts after the match? Not sure who it was & he had Benny Coulters( I think) top on during the lap of honour. If I had just won an All Ireland I wouldn't be swapping tops.
I wouldn't worry. Coulters jersey would be great to have.
I'd say many of those keep sakes would be given to clubs and charitys for auction later in the year anyway.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on September 19, 2010, 09:38:30 PM
Cork won the National League as well so the strong correlation between League & Championship continues.
aye Donegal won in 2007 and lost i the first round of Ulster and Derry won in 2008 and lost to fermanagh in ulster semi ;) In hurling Galway beat Cork in the final this year.
The moral of the story is that sometimes the league winners go on and do well and other times they don't. It probably helps if they're in an uncompetitive province as that means they've a chance to recover from their exertions.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on September 19, 2010, 10:16:10 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on September 19, 2010, 05:57:38 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 19, 2010, 05:52:16 PM
There's lads here, that if they were beside Clarke while he bought a pint of milk in the shop, they'd say to the shop keeper "Did you see the way he handed over the money there and waited patiently for his change? Like he had all the time in the world. Pure class."
You are being a WUM. Clarke is just pure class no matter what he does. The rest of the Down team don't measure up. Maybe that's what happened them today?
Hasn't stamped his mark on games this year like he should. Descriptions like "classy", "skilful" etc are hollow words. I'd rather have a player with less skill and more impact.
Like he should? I'd say he's had a pretty good one for his first year playing senior.
gutted!!
Fair play to cork, with a team of no individual superstars they have a team of pure athletism and clinical finishing that capitalised on our big names not showing up.
Could have gripe about the 2 mins added time, but in fairness we rode our luck throughout the championship.
Hopefully wee James has laid the foundations for a Down revival in the next few years.
The boys in red and black are back
Quote from: souljaboy on September 19, 2010, 10:41:23 PM
gutted!!
fair play to cork, with a team of no individual superstars they have a team of pure athletism and clinical finishing that capitalised on our big names not showing up.
!could have gripe about the 2 mins added time, but n fairness we rode our luck throughout the championship.
hopefully wee James has laid the foundations for a Down revival in the next few years.
The boys in red and black are back
he signalled 2 mins but played 3.20 odd, think he was trying to let down have the chance to get a draw, but in keeping with much of the second half, they couldn't win possession.
Congrats to Cork. Really deserved their win today and despite all the knocking from some so- called GAA fans, I'm delighted that the Rebels have finally got
their hands back on Sam.
Down, as a county and a team should be proud of what your lads have achieved this year. They are a credit to a football mad county and I really hope Down go on and realise their potential now.
I can only hope that Cavan, in some small way, can replicate what Down have done this year.
Its a terror what a good manager can do.
Hats off to Cork today. A superb team who thoroughly deserved their victory. We could have won it but to be honest we would not have deserved to win it based on that second half performance. We totally lost the midfield and breakball contest and to watch Walsh in full flow was awesome, what a talent. Although some of the changes on the line baffled me, not least D Rafferty's, I feel the management team cant be faulted for the effort this year.They have given us renewed hope and blooded some good lads who will form the core for years to come- Mc Kernan, Fitzpatrick, Maginn to name but three. To the managment players and all involved this season I thank you for a wonderful summer the past month in particular has been terrific, lets hope the club championship gets a big boost as a result and we realise that the quality is better than many first believed.
As we left the Hill today I think to a man we agreed that if we had to lose then Cork was the ones we could stomach losing to, the banter on the Hill was great but the pain still hurts.
Well done to Cork you desrve it, to Down , thankyou and roll on next year. An Dun Abu.
Who got RTE MOTM?
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on September 19, 2010, 11:00:40 PM
Who got RTE MOTM?
not awarded yet - but easy picking - Goulding's 9 points should ensure he gets it.
Well done Cork. Although I would have liked to see Down winning you couldn't begrudge the likes of Canty and Murphy who have been at the coalface for a while without reward.
It was looking dicey for long periods of the first half though Although Cork seemed to have the upper hand at midfield they were ponderous in possession and seemed to be all over the place in defence.
The point Danny Hughes fisted over, there were 3 Cork men went to the ball leaving Hughes in acres of space.
Defenders seemed to get a lot closer to their men in the second half.
Sheer strength of Cork won out for them in the end. King got a bit of a dig early in the 2nd half and Cork were making hay round the centre. Could Gordon not have been moved out for the last 15?
Also Cork's bench made a big difference.
Marty Clarke never got going today although he was living off scraps for long periods.
It's going to be interesting to see if Down can continue where they left off next year.
Quote from: orangeman on September 19, 2010, 11:03:11 PM
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on September 19, 2010, 11:00:40 PM
Who got RTE MOTM?
not awarded yet - but easy picking - Goulding's 9 points should ensure he gets it.
How many from play did he get? I thought Aidan Walsh was excellent today.
Disappointing end to what has been a great year.
I thought that Cork deserved to win, we let them be to close at HT, and the strength of their squad showed in the 2nd half. Cork cleaned us out at MF, i feared that their height would prove to be a problem for us and so it proved, also thought that the wet day really suited them much more than us.
Still that Cork team deserved a Sam, pity it had to be by beating us, i think we Will be back stronger next year, we still have a young team and i thought as the year when on some of them kept getting better, Clark ( not a great day but rem he is only back playing GAA less than a year), McKernan, Polland,P McC. There are a few other guys that will strengthen the team next year like Ambrose, Howard, A Carr.
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on September 19, 2010, 11:05:32 PM
Quote from: orangeman on September 19, 2010, 11:03:11 PM
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on September 19, 2010, 11:00:40 PM
Who got RTE MOTM?
not awarded yet - but easy picking - Goulding's 9 points should ensure he gets it.
How many from play did he get? I thought Aidan Walsh was excellent today.
3 x 45s, 4 frees -
Walsh was class alright.
Quote from: orangeman on September 19, 2010, 11:03:11 PM
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on September 19, 2010, 11:00:40 PM
Who got RTE MOTM?
not awarded yet - but easy picking - Goulding's 9 points should ensure he gets it.
don't understand that choice myself, at least lar corbett scored his 9 points in the hurling from play. I didn't think he contributed much from play at all - i'd have given it to o'connor myself.
How aidan walsh didn't get nominated is unbelievable. Really is the cast of the Muppet Show concerning the Sunday game pundits now.
Goulding did as much from play as O'Connor did. There was no real stand out performers from Cork but it was an excellent team performance in the 2nd half.
I called Adrain Walsh a donkey a few weeks, can i take it back :-[, whilst he is not the most gifted footballer of all time, hes one of the best ball winners i ever seen, it was a joy to watch him today at his best. I couldnt believe the size of him either, savage of a man, good ball carrier and stayed away from shooting today for the betterment of the team. Cant believe he wasnt nominated for MOFTM.
It was absolute honour to be there today and watch both games, Cork minor management will be kicking themselves not bringing on24 earlier as he caused havoc for tyrone. Cost them the game not having a target man.
The atmosphere was awesome and whilst Cork were outnred they made a fair bit more noise than the Down crowd.
Not long home and full of Guinness.
Before going to bed I want to say congrats and well done Cork. You were too many for us today and you deserve Sam.
Quote from: tyroneboi on September 19, 2010, 11:32:05 PM
Goulding did as much from play as O'Connor did. There was no real stand out performers from Cork but it was an excellent team performance in the 2nd half.
o'connor got 2 fantastic and inspirational points from play - maybe i was impressed because I didn't believe that he had it in him (or any cork forward for that matter)
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on September 20, 2010, 12:14:21 AM
Not long home and full of Guinness.
Before going to bed I want to say congrats and well done Cork. You were too many for us today and you deserve Sam.
Make sure you tilt you head back, wouldn't want to spill any of the black stuff
On the balance of todays game I believe Cork were worthy winners. Their strength in depth coupled with the excellent second half midfield domination proved to be a bridge to far for us today.
Talk of this team having no outstanding players can now be swept under the carpet. A very well balanced side.
Wont get into post mortems but looking forward to downs next few years.
Congratulations Cork
Cork were worthy winners in the end. Down have had a great year, but this same team would be just as likely to lose in the first round of the Ulster Championship next year to Fermanagh or Cavan!
Congrats to Cork, we never got going in second half and better team won. Still very proud of our lads, and we will be back. Enjoy your party by the Lee
A lot of people here talking about Daniel Goulding "only " scoring frees and 45's? What a load of dung! Had we in Tyrone had such a freetaker this year , things may have been different for the red hands. Donnacha O'Connor handled the ball for the FIRST time after 25 mins, and kicked a good free with that. He did kick a couple of really nice points after that, actually great points TBH. But Goulding dragged Cork back into this with those 45's and frees.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2010/0919/cork_down_sfcfinal2010.html
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Do you think he enjoyed that?
Quote from: Tony Baloney on September 19, 2010, 05:08:44 PM
"Down don't lose All Ireland Finals." RIP.
Fair f**ks to Cork. They had nothing in the first half but they had the bench.
Thaank god we won't hear about not losing finals anymore, was getting a bit tiresome over the past week. Down have had a great season in reflection, nobody would have predicted them reaching the AIF at the start of the year.
Will they do anything of note next year though? Their key players are their older ones (Danny Hughes and Coulter), and they are pushing on abit. Their objective next year should be to try and get near the top of the pile in Ulster, but given how Tyrone handled them this year and with the talent coming through, along with Brennan getting his hands on the Derry job plus Armagh another year down the line in development I really can't see it.
Would agree that Cork deserved it on the balance of the game.
Just a point on the commentating thought it shockingly biased in favour of Cork, couldnt hide his displeasure in the first half when Down were on top and the opposite the other way around in the second. Just my observation.
Well done Cork..You have earned that All Ireland over the last few years....Fully deserved..
In hope our boys kick on next year and we a are young enough squad to expect at least one All Ireland from this crop!
BTW: Heard a horrible rumour yesterday that Marty Clarke has agreed a huge contract to go back to Collingwood! :'(
Well done to Cork and thanks to Down for a good season.
Walsh was huge for Cork yesterday..... kept Cork going when wheels nearly came off in the first half. A fully fit Ambrose might have been enough to give Down a bit more in the sector but ultimately the difference between the teams was Gouldings accuracy with frees and in particular the 3 45s. Clarke missed one from a similar position in first half and played a few short which might have been in Ambrose's range. Also thought Gordons ( dubious) booking meant he had to stand off O'Connor a bit more ....small things matter in a one point game.
Poland was again excellent and along with McKernan has shown himself to be very comfortable at this level. It might be stating the bleedin obvious when you lose an all ireland by a point but Down arent that short ....if we could get Ambrose back and the full forward position sorted during the national league ( John Clarke has been a great servant to Down but is a bit short of pace/ strength/ height to worry defences at county level) then maybe we can hang around for a few years...it is a long way back though. Gaainfo http://www.gaainfo.com/rankings/index.php ranks us in 5th now but I do think things have levelled out ....Cork only beat the 18th ranked county after extra time and Down struggled against the 25th ranked one this year.
Rank County Points
1 Cork 1822.45
2 Kerry 1768.88
3 Dublin 1733.71
4 Tyrone 1665.81
5 Down 1632.26
6 Mayo 1611.08
7 Meath 1585.08
8 Armagh 1564.94
9 Kildare 1546.13
10 Monaghan 1531.33
11 Galway 1517.11
12 Derry 1511.39
13 Donegal 1478.22
14 Wexford 1380.53
15 Louth 1374.62
16 Sligo 1367.57
17 Laois 1339.96
18 Limerick 1317.00
19 Antrim 1301.58
20 Tipperary 1266.01
21 Cavan 1259.42
22 Roscommon 1245.09
23 Westmeath 1234.28
24 Fermanagh 1227.81
25 Offaly 1220.40
26 Wicklow 1151.50
27 Longford 1128.21
28 Waterford 1052.46
29 Leitrim 1035.73
30 Clare 996.53
31 Carlow 929.46
32 London 644.23
33 New York 611.87
34 Kilkenny 409.35
Quote from: bcarrier on September 20, 2010, 10:15:39 AM
Well done to Cork and thanks to Down for a good season.
Walsh was huge for Cork yesterday..... kept Cork going when wheels nearly came off in the first half. A fully fit Ambrose might have been enough to give Down a bit more in the sector but ultimately the difference between the teams was Gouldings accuracy with frees and in particular the 3 45s. Clarke missed one from a similar position in first half and played a few short which might have been in Ambrose's range. Also thought Gordons ( dubious) booking meant he had to stand off O'Connor a bit more ....small things matter in a one point game.
Poland was again excellent and along with McKernan has shown himself to be very comfortable at this level. It might be stating the bleedin obvious when you lose an all ireland by a point but Down arent that short ....if we could get Ambrose back and the full forward position sorted during the national league ( John Clarke has been a great servant to Down but is a bit short of pace/ strength/ height to worry defences at county level) then maybe we can hang around for a few years...it is a long way back though. Gaainfo ranks us in 5th now but I do think things have levelled out ....Cork only beat the 18th ranked county after extra time and Down struggled against the 25th ranked one this year.
Rank County Points
1 Cork 1822.45
2 Kerry 1768.88
3 Dublin 1733.71
4 Tyrone 1665.81
5 Down 1632.26
6 Mayo 1611.08
7 Meath 1585.08
8 Armagh 1564.94
9 Kildare 1546.13
10 Monaghan 1531.33
11 Galway 1517.11
12 Derry 1511.39
13 Donegal 1478.22
14 Wexford 1380.53
15 Louth 1374.62
16 Sligo 1367.57
17 Laois 1339.96
18 Limerick 1317.00
19 Antrim 1301.58
20 Tipperary 1266.01
21 Cavan 1259.42
22 Roscommon 1245.09
23 Westmeath 1234.28
24 Fermanagh 1227.81
25 Offaly 1220.40
26 Wicklow 1151.50
27 Longford 1128.21
28 Waterford 1052.46
29 Leitrim 1035.73
30 Clare 996.53
31 Carlow 929.46
32 London 644.23
33 New York 611.87
34 Kilkenny 409.35
Never knew there were rankings, but from looking at them they mean very little. Why are Kerry in 2nd or Dublin 4th? Mayo and Kildare would need swapped and 12 to 15 are not there on merit either.
Congrats to Cork - they were the best team in the country this year, but only just.
Well done to Cork - just about deserved it yesterday on their second half performance. Canty enjoyed that alright!
Was thinking to myself last night, why didn't Down change their kick out strategy? Cork absolutely cleaned them out in the middle. I know the short kickouts are risky but even bring Dan Gordon out to half-back line and try and isolate him the odd time to win possession. It seemed to me that Mc Veigh just pumped the long ball into the middle and hoped for the best. McCartan said himself last night they had to just let Cork win the ball then try and take it off them when they hit the ground.
Great day
Mediocre but exciting game
Super supporters and great GAA organisation apart from no pitch access
Disappointing result
Best team in All Ireland are All Ireland Champions
Great year for Down
Well done Cork, best team won in the end. We can have no real complaints. Enjoy your celebrations tonight and in the coming weeks. Yet again it is a pity that the people werent allowed on to the field to celebrate with their team. The GAA are doing their upmost to alienate the people they need most.
Kicking it longer and straighter has been Down's favoured - if rarely successful - approach to getting over midfield problems, for as long as I can remember. In fairness, Down did get punished on one of the few occasions McVeigh went short (to Maginn), and that drop seemed to signal the end of short ones.
I don't think alone in wondering why Big Dan want moved upfield for the final quarter, but it would have taken something savage for him to reverse the momentum.
Quote from: bcarrier on September 20, 2010, 10:15:39 AM
Well done to Cork and thanks to Down for a good season.
Walsh was huge for Cork yesterday..... kept Cork going when wheels nearly came off in the first half. A fully fit Ambrose might have been enough to give Down a bit more in the sector but ultimately the difference between the teams was Gouldings accuracy with frees and in particular the 3 45s. Clarke missed one from a similar position in first half and played a few short which might have been in Ambrose's range. Also thought Gordons ( dubious) booking meant he had to stand off O'Connor a bit more ....small things matter in a one point game.
Poland was again excellent and along with McKernan has shown himself to be very comfortable at this level. It might be stating the bleedin obvious when you lose an all ireland by a point but Down arent that short ....if we could get Ambrose back and the full forward position sorted during the national league ( John Clarke has been a great servant to Down but is a bit short of pace/ strength/ height to worry defences at county level) then maybe we can hang around for a few years...it is a long way back though. Gaainfo http://www.gaainfo.com/rankings/index.php ranks us in 5th now but I do think things have levelled out ....Cork only beat the 18th ranked county after extra time and Down struggled against the 25th ranked one this year.
Hard to disagree with any of that BC. While I'm disappointed Down lost I'm delighted for Canty and Murphy (definitely not frank) especially. The difference for me was that Cork used five midfielders with previous all ireland experience during the course of the game while Down had to send on a halfback when one of theirs had run his race. Down were absolutely fantastic in the first half considering they were being obliterated in Midfield but were never going to sustain that workrate for 70 mins. With the amount of primary possession Cork had their forwards were eventually going to come good. Indeed I thought they'd run away with it once they hit the front but great credit to Down for coming back at them and they could have sneaked a draw in the end.
We'll be back.
I would have thought moving Dan Gordon out to MF was the obvious change to make in the 2nd half when Cork were winning most every ball.
Quote from: Main Street on September 20, 2010, 01:17:13 PM
I would have thought moving Dan Gordon out to MF was the obvious change to make in the 2nd half when Cork were winning most every ball.
thought so myself, i think james acknowledged this also
Dodgy Gordon booking, big hit from Walsh, 2 points before half time, 4 key down men didnt take the game by the scruff of the neck, Corks superb free kicks and some great angled points from play at key moments. I enjoyed this all irelandfinal and am delighted for Cork and disappointed for the Down men. It was the lowest quality of football played at this level since 1995/ 97 though and those gushing over it need to have a look at themselves.
I remember seeing pictures of my own clubmen on the sideline in 1960 and to be honest with the excitement in the last few minutes I felt I was there with them, but in front of me there were bouncers eyeing up the crowd for trouble, trouble in their eyes, being the type of person who would celebrate winning an all ireland on the pitch. That huge waste of tickets from the yellow coated blow ins in the hill and all round. Thsi was overkill, soccor, insulting to the real GAA people, who have behaved impeccably for over 100 years. Its GAA folks but not as we know it. Its time for more "of one belief"!!
Aye Benny McArdle to Full back and Gordon to midfield with King taking a seat would have been the obvious one...But to be honest, we were in the lead at half time and I can understand why James held off!
Surprised there's been no mention of Down breaking away from the parade in front of the Hill and going into a mad series of sprints. Shields didn't know what to do and they ambled away moments later and were left standing in the middle for what felt like an age. I thought it was a great piece of thinking by McCartan to try and unsettle Cork and he seemed very pleased with himself on the sideline when it cut to him. And then Cork turned that on its head and flew out of the traps and probably should have made a start like the Tyrone minors.
It was a good, tight match but not a great match. Cork's subs in the second half won it and it's just reward for the Canty's and Murphy's who've perceived year in, year out. Couldn't believe Down took off Comiskey and Pollard, Pollard and Hughes were best for Down imo. Surprised when they took off King as well but they had to do something in the middle I suppose.
I can't believe RTÉ didn't even nominate Aidan Walsh for the MOTM never mind award him it, I thought he was immense in midfield and produced a performance in the biggest game of the year that he never even hinted at previously. Shocked they didn't give it to O'Connor either. Also the 2 minutes of injury time was pitiful, I'd be raging with that if I was a Down man.
I watched the game on the old analogue while listening to Micheál Ó M on the radio, although he was a bit ahead of the action it didn't really detract meaningfully from the game, a pleasure to listen to and Tommy Carr didn't overly but in either, fair play to him. It feels like when the doors to Croker were opened, probably the right time to do it but the GAA lost some of its aura and magic, he will be sadly missed from the airwaves. Wouldn't be an enthusiastic supporter of the International Rules but I'll be in Croker with my radio for his last game, we'll never see the likes of him again.
Down were very magnanimous at the final whistle to go as a group to shake the hands of the Cork players and was a nice touch. I'd still prefer to see the fans let on to the pitch in an orderly manner, after the panels have had time to celebrate/congratulate each other, for the presentation of the cup. Not many Cork fans hung around in the stand for the lap of honour, looked a bit flat.
I had the audio tuned into Mícheal but I had to turn him off in the 2nd half. The game was already rip roaring/exciting enough and Micheál, right in the thick of the excitement, was only accelerating the pulse rate more, to uneasy levels.
What is it with Cork teams and big men. Do they just breed them bigger in that part of the world. Even the hurling team with Michael Cussen and Osaki O'Halpin on it, they look like Giants compared to the other teams.
I think McCartan should have took Gordon out the field earlier, Cork where not really putting the ball in high and O'Connor seemed to have the better of Gordon when they put it in low. An extra person who can win kickouts would have helped maybe.
The substitutions didn't really work yesterday, the new guys coming on seemed to struggle to stay on there feet, with the wet weather, it looked like they had the wrong studs on or something.
Congrats to both sides on an intense exciting final. Well done to Cork on finally bringing home Sam. Delighted for the likes of Canty (excellent speech), Nicholas Murphy. Pity such a fine footballer as Anhony Lynch was'nt on the pitch.
Down were a joy to watch. I think they played as well as they could though. They scored all but 3 points from play and never got a sniff of goal.
Cork should have been 1-1 up inside 3 minutes and kicked away alot of scoring chances and general possession after that until half time. They had the lions share of possession throughout. They played within themselves again but still won. Finally getting over the line might allow them to let the brakes off and play with more fleuncy over the next few seasons in order to win a few more titles.
The ref was unfussy and sharp when he had to be. Match was played with a great spirit of sportsmanship. Good final that crowns a decent championship.
Is Anthony Lynch injured or did he retire?
Extended match highlights 8.30pm TG4 tonight, 6.30pm/9.30pm Setanta Ireland tomorrow.
a exciting pulsating final with the experience and better bench of cork holding sway but how refreshing of james to admit the better team won despite only a point in it admit a few tactical errors encourage his team to show irish manliness by shaking their opponents hands despite wanting to run away makes you proud to be from down just that wee bit of class well done all round i think somehow that honesty has endered this team to the football public as they play the game in the right way yet show their vulnerability
Quote from: the derg on September 20, 2010, 09:04:55 PM
a exciting pulsating final with the experience and better bench of cork holding sway but how refreshing of james to admit the better team won despite only a point in it admit a few tactical errors encourage his team to show irish manliness by shaking their opponents hands despite wanting to run away makes you proud to be from down just that wee bit of class well done all round i think somehow that honesty has endered this team to the football public as they play the game in the right way yet show their vulnerability
Well done Down, but all counties played the game in the right way in 2010.
anyone spot who the tosser was that threw the bottle on at the Cork players at the end - down at the Cusack/Davin stand corner?
probably some eejit attending his first match of the year no doubt
I cant see why martin clarke would contemplate going back to OZ. Is there any truth in this?
Quote from: Take Your Points on September 20, 2010, 10:43:13 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 20, 2010, 10:07:30 PM
I cant see why martin clarke would contemplate going back to OZ. Is there any truth in this?
Would they want him back?
One thing that the summer has shown is that he has ball playing and playmaking skills but not the physicality that an AFL footballer needs.
disagree. He is way too talented to be playing that bastardised version of egg chasing. You don't need any talent to be an AFL player. All you need is a big mouth, to be 6ft 4 and 16 stone and be an endurance athlete.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 20, 2010, 10:07:30 PM
I cant see why martin clarke would contemplate going back to OZ. Is there any truth in this?
I would be fairly confident that he always intended to go back. Wouldn't be surprised if he headed back during next season!
Anthony Lynch Injured. Masters left panel as was not getting any games.
I was delighted to see McComiskey play some of his best football in a Down jersey yesterday. He seemed to rise to the occasion.
From the first couple of balls in you knew Gordon was in for a tough time. Dan actually didn't play too badly and won a couple of tussles in the first half but O'Connor would've roasted any full back yesterday.
They struggled to get the ball to Benny yesterday and when they eventually did he was hounded by 2-3 defenders. Same goes for Clarke.
Personally I thought Down simply emptied the tank early on and had nothing left after 45 minutes, surprisingly so for a Tally team. They harassed Cork, Ulster-esque, into a rash of poor passes in the first half and made them pay for it. Unfortunately, the fresh legs in the Cork side from 35 mins onwards left Down that yard or two off the efforts in the first. Great decision making and timing from the Cork management. Some are raving about Danny Hughes - he saw a lot of ball during the game but I thought he had a poor opening 20 minutes and was responsible for a few turnovers. Still, he kept going at full pelt when others faded.
The Cork placed balls were crucial. Marty Clarke, who didn't get the room afforded him in the QF and SF, didn't seem to be all that confident with his kicking from dead balls. Goulding was a class act.
Down's decision to head over and mingle with the celebrating Cork players says a lot about that squad. Another class act.
I had a terrible experience. It was raining so I had no coat so I walked into Dublin to buy a coat but I never saw so many coats in my life I couldn't decide. Then I did a bit of shopping and lost myself in the city's shopping offers. It was wonderful. Found a great bar called Gubu. But when I looked at my watch it was 4pm. I was running like mad and got to Croke Park just as Grey Canty was running onto the field. I enjoyed the last 20 minutes but was mad I missed the minor game and most of the senior.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 20, 2010, 10:07:30 PM
I cant see why martin clarke would contemplate going back to OZ. Is there any truth in this?
Stated last night in Castlewellan that there is only one place he will be next year.. staying home in Down.
Does that Cork gimp with the mexican hat actually travel with the team? The cameras always pick him out at games and he was waving his hat in the background as Canty was getting the trophy yesterday. It's like a Cork version of Where's Wally. He made sure to get himself in the background when Clare McNamara was reporting on the news from outside the Burlington and then unbelievably who walks down the corridor of the Childrens Hospital in the background yesterday when the players were bringing Sam around but your man, Jaysus he's some tool.
Quote from: ONeill on September 21, 2010, 12:05:43 AM
I was delighted to see McComiskey play some of his best football in a Down jersey yesterday. He seemed to rise to the occasion.
From the first couple of balls in you knew Gordon was in for a tough time. Dan actually didn't play too badly and won a couple of tussles in the first half but O'Connor would've roasted any full back yesterday.
They struggled to get the ball to Benny yesterday and when they eventually did he was hounded by 2-3 defenders. Same goes for Clarke.
Personally I thought Down simply emptied the tank early on and had nothing left after 45 minutes, surprisingly so for a Tally team. They harassed Cork, Ulster-esque, into a rash of poor passes in the first half and made them pay for it. Unfortunately, the fresh legs in the Cork side from 35 mins onwards left Down that yard or two off the efforts in the first. Great decision making and timing from the Cork management. Some are raving about Danny Hughes - he saw a lot of ball during the game but I thought he had a poor opening 20 minutes and was responsible for a few turnovers. Still, he kept going at full pelt when others faded.
The Cork placed balls were crucial. Marty Clarke, who didn't get the room afforded him in the QF and SF, didn't seem to be all that confident with his kicking from dead balls. Goulding was a class act.
Down's decision to head over and mingle with the celebrating Cork players says a lot about that squad. Another class act.
Down where fit but Kallum King ran his balls off in the first 1/2 then had to do the same again on a fresh player of the caliber of Nicholas Murphy that Cork could bring in. Add Canty and the others, Cork can soften you up and then the subs come in to finish you off which is partly why they are always so strong in the last 15 minutes.
I watched it again last night and Down would have needed to play the perfect game to have beaten Cork. They scored 15 points considering how dominant Cork where at the kickouts was a good achievement. A couple of missed passes that dropped short that Cork scored directly from, Declan Rooney kicked the ball away when 7 2 up when Cork had a free outside the 45, the ball was moved up, tapped over, Cork won the next kickout and scored again straight away, things like that, you never know what would have happened if 1 or 2 less mistakes. Cork definitely where the better team and Down have a few areas to work on. Playing in division 1 will help them gain more experience playing tough matches every week.
So this is what it feels like ??? Congratulations to Cork, your persistence and perseverance has finally paid off. Well done.
But I also very proud of a Down team that proved a lot this summer, and almost pulled it off. A one point defeat is no shame, and there are many small things that could have won it for them. And to score 15 times in an All-Ireland is a good return and would win most of them. In my memory, only Meath (1-14) v. Down in 1991 and Kerry (0-17) v. Offally in 1982 scored more and lost.
But Cork did it when it mattered, so well done again.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on September 21, 2010, 10:09:25 AM
Does that Cork gimp with the mexican hat actually travel with the team? The cameras always pick him out at games and he was waving his hat in the background as Canty was getting the trophy yesterday. It's like a Cork version of Where's Wally. He made sure to get himself in the background when Clare McNamara was reporting on the news from outside the Burlington and then unbelievably who walks down the corridor of the Childrens Hospital in the background yesterday when the players were bringing Sam around but your man, Jaysus he's some tool.
I think he's sponsored by Paddy Power. He sickens my shit.
Two fantastic games and well done all involved, these games were a great advertisement for gaelic football and I have to say down were a class act altogether.
Cork finally win an AI when they probably feel they should have had two in the last few years, well done to them and the experience will have done Down no harm at all and they may well be back next year.
Wee james did a brilliant job altogether and I take back every bad word I said about him, i thought he was going to be pure ket, I was very wrong.
Quote from: Take Your Points on September 20, 2010, 10:43:13 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 20, 2010, 10:07:30 PM
I cant see why martin clarke would contemplate going back to OZ. Is there any truth in this?
Would they want him back?
One thing that the summer has shown is that he has ball playing and playmaking skills but not the physicality that an AFL footballer needs.
course they would want him back...was he not rated number 4 out of 100 midfielders (?) in his first full season? he was a man marker in Australia rather than a play maker which didnt sit well with him
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on September 21, 2010, 10:09:25 AM
Does that Cork gimp with the mexican hat actually travel with the team?
He was on Up for the Match too. However he manages it he always seems to get his face on camera without fail. You could see him holding his sombrero aloft in the background during the presentation. No doubt going "I'm here, over here, over here".
It's certainly between him and Mayo's St Patrick as to who is the most annoying fan in Ireland. I vote for sombrero man as he's never off the telly during the Summer.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 21, 2010, 03:53:55 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on September 21, 2010, 10:09:25 AM
Does that Cork gimp with the mexican hat actually travel with the team?
He was on Up for the Match too. However he manages it he always seems to get his face on camera without fail. You could see him holding his sombrero aloft in the background during the presentation. No doubt going "I'm here, over here, over here".
It's certainly between him and Mayo's St Patrick as to who is the most annoying fan in Ireland. I vote for sombrero man as he's never off the telly during the Summer.
Up For The Match was bad, waving his hat in the background during the presentation was worse but when I saw him walking around the Childrens Hospital with the team I had one of them involuntary reactions that leads to a cuff round the ear and a cold dinner from her indoors, f**king ridiculous so he is, he symbolises everything the GAA isn't, mé féin...
Canning even referred to him by name on Sunday.
You have to hand it to him though that he follows boths codes all ages and he follows both ladies teams as well.
Quote from: Hardy on September 21, 2010, 04:14:38 PM
Canning even referred to him by name on Sunday.
Thonbollixinthesombrero McCarthy???
Quote from: Hardy on September 21, 2010, 04:14:38 PM
Canning even referred to him by name on Sunday.
Thank Christ I was listening to it on the radio so, fucked from now on though.
Ye sad clowns have little to be worrying about.
Cyril Kavanagh is his name and he's eentitled to follow Cork anywhere and dress how he likes.
As for saying he's the opposte of what the GAA is about ........ Jesus help !!!!
Quote from: Rossfan on September 21, 2010, 08:03:04 PM
Ye sad clowns have little to be worrying about.
Cyril Kavanagh is his name and he's eentitled to follow Cork anywhere and dress how he likes.
As for saying he's the opposte of what the GAA is about ........ Jesus help !!!!
You approve of the Paddy Power sponsorship that means he jumps in front of every camera there is to keep his gig going?
Watching rerun there ...Murphy definitely did his own "cop that" this year.
There's an All Ireland in this Down team in the next couple of years. What a journey this year. Above and beyond expectations.
In the semi famous words of PJ Magee: "You have to lose a Final before you can learn to win one!"
Hats off to Cork best team on the day won , also the gesture by our players , management and backroom team at full time was a fantastic touch .
Now to next year , div 1 experience will do us the world of good and hopefully James can bring in another few young players to add to the squad . Big ambrose , Howard , duffin and Hannah amongst others will make the fight for places interesting but it's a great headache to have .
So glad Marty has confirmed his intentions too ! So thank you everyone involved from wee James right down to kit men , 2010 has lifted the hopes of our proud county we are on the right track and are doing it the Down way ! To all the posters who have been so negative about us this year (Clarke 's 1 at year , wee James 1st year ) the giant is stirring , the swagger is back , DOWN are back !!!!!!
Would McKernan do a bit of sledging? He seemed to be mouthing at Kerrigan all day. I wouldn't be a fan of that. Fine footballer though.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 21, 2010, 08:03:04 PM
Ye sad clowns have little to be worrying about.
Cyril Kavanagh is his name and he's eentitled to follow Cork anywhere and dress how he likes.
As for saying he's the opposte of what the GAA is about ........ Jesus help !!!!
Jaysus he's like a little child, always in the background hanging on to every word his hero's say, it's bad enough when the "childer" do that at post match interviews. 99% of us are happy to let the lads get on with it and give them their space, that gimp seems to live in their pockets & is more interested in promoting himself and Paddy Power than anything else. Jaysus any of us would be craining our necks/standing on seats to get a glimpse of an AI presentation, that gimp was more interested in waving his hat around to let us all know where he was, where's Wally indeed.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on September 22, 2010, 09:34:32 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 21, 2010, 08:03:04 PM
Ye sad clowns have little to be worrying about.
Cyril Kavanagh is his name and he's eentitled to follow Cork anywhere and dress how he likes.
As for saying he's the opposte of what the GAA is about ........ Jesus help !!!!
Jaysus he's like a little child, always in the background hanging on to every word his hero's say, it's bad enough when the "childer" do that at post match interviews. 99% of us are happy to let the lads get on with it and give them their space, that gimp seems to live in their pockets & is more interested in promoting himself and Paddy Power than anything else. Jaysus any of us would be craining our necks/standing on seats to get a glimpse of an AI presentation, that gimp was more interested in waving his hat around to let us all know where he was, where's Wally indeed.
I think I seen him coming into The Hill, right behind the goals, with about 15 minutes to go in the minor final. Almost certain it was him. If this was the case, how did he get up behind Canty for the presentation?
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on September 22, 2010, 09:34:32 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 21, 2010, 08:03:04 PM
Ye sad clowns have little to be worrying about.
Cyril Kavanagh is his name and he's eentitled to follow Cork anywhere and dress how he likes.
As for saying he's the opposte of what the GAA is about ........ Jesus help !!!!
Jaysus he's like a little child, always in the background hanging on to every word his hero's say, it's bad enough when the "childer" do that at post match interviews. 99% of us are happy to let the lads get on with it and give them their space, that gimp seems to live in their pockets & is more interested in promoting himself and Paddy Power than anything else. Jaysus any of us would be craining our necks/standing on seats to get a glimpse of an AI presentation, that gimp was more interested in waving his hat around to let us all know where he was, where's Wally indeed.
the mans a character...your stress levels must be through the roof lad if this kinda thing annoys ye so much
Quote from: Sportacus on September 21, 2010, 11:13:08 PM
Would McKernan do a bit of sledging? He seemed to be mouthing at Kerrigan all day. I wouldn't be a fan of that. Fine footballer though.
Id say the sledging was initiated by Kerrigan . Think Kerrigan was at in during semi too....there was time McKernan seemed to be easily would up but seems to have it under control now. Most improved player in the country.
Quote from: bcarrier on September 22, 2010, 10:19:17 AM
Quote from: Sportacus on September 21, 2010, 11:13:08 PM
Would McKernan do a bit of sledging? He seemed to be mouthing at Kerrigan all day. I wouldn't be a fan of that. Fine footballer though.
Id say the sledging was initiated by Kerrigan . Think Kerrigan was at in during semi too....there was time McKernan seemed to be easily would up but seems to have it under control now. Most improved player in the country.
A lot of sledging was done by Eoin Cadogan. Watching him on Sunday it suddenly became more obvious why Galvin reacted to get his suspension. My opinion of him has dropped sharply since the weekend.
Cadogan is at that the whole time. It's not surprising he's been involved in a few skirmishes this year.
I nearly forgot to say it though.... Well Done Zulu!!!!!! The happiest non Cork-Corkman I know :)
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on September 22, 2010, 09:58:22 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on September 22, 2010, 09:34:32 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 21, 2010, 08:03:04 PM
Ye sad clowns have little to be worrying about.
Cyril Kavanagh is his name and he's eentitled to follow Cork anywhere and dress how he likes.
As for saying he's the opposte of what the GAA is about ........ Jesus help !!!!
Jaysus he's like a little child, always in the background hanging on to every word his hero's say, it's bad enough when the "childer" do that at post match interviews. 99% of us are happy to let the lads get on with it and give them their space, that gimp seems to live in their pockets & is more interested in promoting himself and Paddy Power than anything else. Jaysus any of us would be craining our necks/standing on seats to get a glimpse of an AI presentation, that gimp was more interested in waving his hat around to let us all know where he was, where's Wally indeed.
I think I seen him coming into The Hill, right behind the goals, with about 15 minutes to go in the minor final. Almost certain it was him. If this was the case, how did he get up behind Canty for the presentation?
The cameras zoomed in on him during the first half of the senior game in the Hogan stand if memory serves so I'd doubt it was him. There is another couple of aul lads who dress up in their regalia with drums and bodrans (least they don't go looking for the cameras), maybe it was one of these you saw?
As for calling him a character, well that does a disservice to characters everywhere...
Western Exile and AZOffaly are 100% correct re Eoin Cadogan. Apart from his run ins with Paul Galvin he was also involved in his carry on against Tipperary and Antrim. In both cases it was the Tipp and Antrim full forwards who ended up getting the suspensions. I would say that the referees will be watching his antics next year.
Must say I was at game and thought it was a very clean game.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on September 22, 2010, 11:13:58 AM
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on September 22, 2010, 09:58:22 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on September 22, 2010, 09:34:32 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 21, 2010, 08:03:04 PM
Ye sad clowns have little to be worrying about.
Cyril Kavanagh is his name and he's eentitled to follow Cork anywhere and dress how he likes.
As for saying he's the opposte of what the GAA is about ........ Jesus help !!!!
Jaysus he's like a little child, always in the background hanging on to every word his hero's say, it's bad enough when the "childer" do that at post match interviews. 99% of us are happy to let the lads get on with it and give them their space, that gimp seems to live in their pockets & is more interested in promoting himself and Paddy Power than anything else. Jaysus any of us would be craining our necks/standing on seats to get a glimpse of an AI presentation, that gimp was more interested in waving his hat around to let us all know where he was, where's Wally indeed.
I think I seen him coming into The Hill, right behind the goals, with about 15 minutes to go in the minor final. Almost certain it was him. If this was the case, how did he get up behind Canty for the presentation?
The cameras zoomed in on him during the first half of the senior game in the Hogan stand if memory serves so I'd doubt it was him. There is another couple of aul lads who dress up in their regalia with drums and bodrans (least they don't go looking for the cameras), maybe it was one of these you saw?
As for calling him a character, well that does a disservice to characters everywhere...
zzz zzz
Quote from: bcarrier on September 21, 2010, 08:26:40 PM
Watching rerun there ...Murphy definitely did his own "cop that" this year.
His was a legal "cop that" though.
Quote from: Onlooker on September 22, 2010, 11:23:12 AM
Western Exile and AZOffaly are 100% correct re Eoin Cadogan. Apart from his run ins with Paul Galvin he was also involved in his carry on against Tipperary and Antrim. In both cases it was the Tipp and Antrim full forwards who ended up getting the suspensions. I would say that the referees will be watching his antics next year.
He always seems to be mouthing off alright. No wonder people want to give him a belt.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 22, 2010, 01:35:57 PM
Quote from: bcarrier on September 21, 2010, 08:26:40 PM
Watching rerun there ...Murphy definitely did his own "cop that" this year.
His was a legal "cop that" though.
If you mean no free was awarded then you are correct. Gerry McDermott 's interpretation would be interesting.
To my eyes ( and through Red and Black tinted glasses ) it was well late, lead with an elbow and not shoulder to shoulder . I would love to see the two incidents ie Kennelly last year and Murphy this year side by side. I suspect the intention and execution are similar enough . I doubt Murphy will mention it in his book though and will therefore remain a hero.
To be completely fair if a Downman had the cuteness ( wrong word Im sure) to nail Walsh in a similar manner I wouldnt have been complaining about it.
Jinxy, there was nothing legal about Murphy's hit on Fitzpatrick. The referee missed it, but the linesman spotted it and Murphy got a yellow immediately. It was pretty clearly an elbow long after the ball had gone, and it took the steam out of Fitzpatrick at a crucial time. Murphy threw an arm out as Hughes went past him in front of the Hogan Stand a short time later, but Hughes stayed on his feet. If he had gone down, a second yellow which would have changed the game completely was likely. Having said that, no one wants to win a game through a dismissal. Cork were the better side on the day, but there were some narrow margins involved along the way.
Just a wee note on Down staying at home the night before the game. Instead of having a controlled camp environment for the weekend, they stayed at home the night before the game. I think that was a bit of inexperience from the management to be honest, because a lot was made before about the Down way of doing things - dosent work any more. Hotel catering has improved from their bad experience in 1959 and times have moved on from 1994 when it last worked for them.
Quote from: bcarrier on September 22, 2010, 02:25:53 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 22, 2010, 01:35:57 PM
Quote from: bcarrier on September 21, 2010, 08:26:40 PM
Watching rerun there ...Murphy definitely did his own "cop that" this year.
His was a legal "cop that" though.
If you mean no free was awarded then you are correct. Gerry McDermott 's interpretation would be interesting.
To my eyes ( and through Red and Black tinted glasses ) it was well late, lead with an elbow and not shoulder to shoulder . I would love to see the two incidents ie Kennelly last year and Murphy this year side by side. I suspect the intention and execution are similar enough . I doubt Murphy will mention it in his book though and will therefore remain a hero.
To be completely fair if a Downman had the cuteness ( wrong word Im sure) to nail Walsh in a similar manner I wouldnt have been complaining about it.
Derek Kavanagh was nailed by a down man as he went to pick the ball , broken nose and black eye the result, a straight red card, but ignored on here. Instead the focus is on Murphys fair shoulder, take your blinkers off lads!
Quote from: Mourne Rover on September 22, 2010, 04:30:02 PM
Jinxy, there was nothing legal about Murphy's hit on Fitzpatrick. The referee missed it, but the linesman spotted it and Murphy got a yellow immediately. It was pretty clearly an elbow long after the ball had gone, and it took the steam out of Fitzpatrick at a crucial time. Murphy threw an arm out as Hughes went past him in front of the Hogan Stand a short time later, but Hughes stayed on his feet. If he had gone down, a second yellow which would have changed the game completely was likely. Having said that, no one wants to win a game through a dismissal. Cork were the better side on the day, but there were some narrow margins involved along the way.
It was in its arse an elbow unless I'm thinking of a completely different incident.
It looked to me like one of those borderline shoulders where the injured players OWN elbow was driven into his midsection which caused him to be winded.
There was no raised elbow or anything even close from Murphy and to put it in the same league as Kennelly elbowing someone right on the jaw from their blind-side is completely ridiculous.
Quote from: Chris agus Snoop on September 23, 2010, 11:37:01 AM
Quote from: bcarrier on September 22, 2010, 02:25:53 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 22, 2010, 01:35:57 PM
Quote from: bcarrier on September 21, 2010, 08:26:40 PM
Watching rerun there ...Murphy definitely did his own "cop that" this year.
His was a legal "cop that" though.
If you mean no free was awarded then you are correct. Gerry McDermott 's interpretation would be interesting.
To my eyes ( and through Red and Black tinted glasses ) it was well late, lead with an elbow and not shoulder to shoulder . I would love to see the two incidents ie Kennelly last year and Murphy this year side by side. I suspect the intention and execution are similar enough . I doubt Murphy will mention it in his book though and will therefore remain a hero.
To be completely fair if a Downman had the cuteness ( wrong word Im sure) to nail Walsh in a similar manner I wouldnt have been complaining about it.
Derek Kavanagh was nailed by a down man as he went to pick the ball , broken nose and black eye the result, a straight red card, but ignored on here. Instead the focus is on Murphys fair shoulder, take your blinkers off lads!
Nothing fair about what Murphy did Snoop, though he got away with it so no harm. Even though Coldrick couldn't find the Down man who busted Kavanagh, the dicking around looking for him together with Canty's 'injury' and Benny's booking all in the last ten minutes all meant down ran out of time so poetic justice if you like.
ps the lack of chat about it would be probably because not many people were aware it happened.
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Quote from: Jinxy on September 23, 2010, 12:31:38 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on September 22, 2010, 04:30:02 PM
Jinxy, there was nothing legal about Murphy's hit on Fitzpatrick. The referee missed it, but the linesman spotted it and Murphy got a yellow immediately. It was pretty clearly an elbow long after the ball had gone, and it took the steam out of Fitzpatrick at a crucial time. Murphy threw an arm out as Hughes went past him in front of the Hogan Stand a short time later, but Hughes stayed on his feet. If he had gone down, a second yellow which would have changed the game completely was likely. Having said that, no one wants to win a game through a dismissal. Cork were the better side on the day, but there were some narrow margins involved along the way.
It was in its arse an elbow unless I'm thinking of a completely different incident.
It looked to me like one of those borderline shoulders where the injured players OWN elbow was driven into his midsection which caused him to be winded.
There was no raised elbow or anything even close from Murphy and to put it in the same league as Kennelly elbowing someone right on the jaw from their blind-side is completely ridiculous.
I think you might be. He was at it more than once. I think the incident you describe was against Garvey
I remember Fitzpatrick going to ground around the halfway line on the hogan stand side, after a shoulder charge from Murphy, after which he needed treatment.
If that's the incident you are referring to, there was no elbow from Murphy.
I watched it again Murphy made contact with the shoulder, so a fair challenge, the Kavanagh incident was not, his eyes were on the ball while he stooped to pick it, he was wide open. But theres obviously some other agenda on here so i'll leave ye to it.
I forgot to post this before but where did Pearce O'Neill go during that game?? That's two AI finals in a row.
Who took the toss for Cork?
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 23, 2010, 10:03:24 PM
I forgot to post this before but where did Pearce O'Neill go during that game?? That's two AI finals in a row.
Turns out if you stop his runs there isn't a whole let else he brings to the table.
They'd be better off sticking him midfield.
Haven't read too many of the previous posts but I'm I the only man in the country who thought Ciaran Sheehan was the best player on the field? The only other realistic contender for man of the match was Aiden Walsh IMO and while Walsh was acknowledged by some I don't think anyone mentioned Sheehan. That young man put in as good a performance from minute one to seventy as I've seen.
Another point I seem to be on my own is the performance of Noel O'Leary. I didn't think he did well on Clarke who beat him to every ball and was involved in a number of Down scores.
That said, it was a great day and Cork got their well earned All Ireland after a year when they never reached the heights they are capable of. Counihan should take off the shackles or leave as he isn't getting the best out of these lads IMO.
Quote from: Zulu on September 24, 2010, 07:13:17 PM
Haven't read too many of the previous posts but I'm I the only man in the country who thought Ciaran Sheehan was the best player on the field? The only other realistic contender for man of the match was Aiden Walsh IMO and while Walsh was acknowledged by some I don't think anyone mentioned Sheehan. That young man put in as good a performance from minute one to seventy as I've seen.
Another point I seem to be on my own is the performance of Noel O'Leary. I didn't think he did well on Clarke who beat him to every ball and was involved in a number of Down scores.
That said, it was a great day and Cork got their well earned All Ireland after a year when they never reached the heights they are capable of. Counihan should take off the shackles or leave as he isn't getting the best out of these lads IMO.
I think thats as good as it gets for Cork. Dont think they are capable of lifting the shackles. Only the younger players could potentially be outstanding. Currently no-one is. They have 22-23 very good inter county players. thats 5 more then most counties. Hence their win. Movement in the full forward line is really static.
Still those 600 notes came in handy
I would agree on Clarke. I thought he had an excellent first half and a decent 2nd.
I think you're being harsh Indiana. However, I do agree the movement in the forwards isn't great but I blame Counihan for that. They have outstanding players and there are possibly even better ones on the horizon. Aiden Walsh, Sheehan, Shields, Cadogan, Paddy Kelly, and Colm O'Neill will be among the best players in Ireland over the next 5 or 6 years (longer in some cases). The likes of Goulding, Kerrigan, Carey and Alan O'Connor also have plenty of years left in them and could become very good players. That's ten outfield players that would make most other IC teams which is a pretty good base to build on. There are some excellent yound forwards coming through and some promising defenders too so I'd be surprised if Cork aren't one of teh top 2 or 3 in the country dor the foreseeable future.
Quote from: Zulu on September 24, 2010, 07:35:13 PM
I think you're being harsh Indiana. However, I do agree the movement in the forwards isn't great but I blame Counihan for that. They have outstanding players and there are possibly even better ones on the horizon. Aiden Walsh, Sheehan, Shields, Cadogan, Paddy Kelly, and Colm O'Neill will be among the best players in Ireland over the next 5 or 6 years (longer in some cases). The likes of Goulding, Kerrigan, Carey and Alan O'Connor also have plenty of years left in them and could become very good players. That's ten outfield players that would make most other IC teams which is a pretty good base to build on. There are some excellent yound forwards coming through and some promising defenders too so I'd be surprised if Cork aren't one of teh top 2 or 3 in the country dor the foreseeable future.
Zulu the movement of the minor forwards was as bad. There seems to be no concept of a crossfield run among the cork forwards. I don't believe counihan simply tells them to run in straight lines. I actually believ its down to poor underage coaching. In my opinion only Sheehan and O neill plus Walsh could be top class.
Paddy kelly for me is their only outstanding player at present. But they have way more very good players then all other counties.
QuoteI don't believe counihan simply tells them to run in straight lines.
No, but he hasn't addressed their lack of movement and seems to allow the players further out the field to take too much out of the ball. I also don't think he is picking the right team to maximise the potential that is there but it still doesn't hide the fact that there are plenty of very good players there and there are more to come through which is the really important fact. If the well was dry I'd tend to agree with you as the end is near for some important players but because this talent is there I think Cork will be a force for the rest of the decade.
Of course other counties will also have good players coming through but Cork will have quality 23-29 year olds with All Ireland medals to show these young lads the ropes. I'm not sure any other county will have that blend of young talent and proven quality in the mid to late 20's bracket over the next few years and this gives Cork the edge IMO.
Donnacha O'Connor is already very good and could be the best player in the country if he developed.
Cork played the last two years before this - particularly last year - with the shackles off and couldn't get over the line.
09 - great football but nothing to show for it.
10 - gritty, lethargic football with patches of good play - All Ireland champions
we all want peak performance and just rewards but it rarely works like that.
Winning sam could be the making of cork for a further 3-5 yr spell of competing very close to winning sam each year
A friend of mine from Dingle texted me today...he said his Great Uncle from Ventry was delighted to see Cork winning their 7th Sam. He said the homecoming celebrations on Monday night in Cork city were fantastic...he said it reminded him of the celebrations in Tralee when Kerry won THEIR 7th Sam Maguire...................in 1926!! ;) ;) ;)
QuoteDonnacha O'Connor is already very good and could be the best player in the country if he developed.
I think he is 29 or 30 next year and he wouldn't be in the top 10 forwards in the country, never mind the best footballer.
QuoteCork played the last two years before this - particularly last year - with the shackles off and couldn't get over the line.
09 - great football but nothing to show for it.
10 - gritty, lethargic football with patches of good play - All Ireland champions
I wouldn't really agree with that. First off Kerry were knocked out by somebody else this year and Walsh and Sheehan came into the mix. IMO there the real differences between this year and last, not playing a more 'winning system'. If anything the system this year hindered cork rather than helping them.
didnt realise o'connor was as old. he's a fine footballer when on form and as close as they have to a marquee forward when he is.
cork don't have and haven't had a "system" under counihan. undoubtedly the cards fell well for them this year but you still have to take the opportunity when its there and they did that. the confidence taken from an all ireland win can't be underestimated and that alone will push them on for next year.
Not in the way Tyrone have but they certainly play a distinct way and it is different than they way they played last year. IMO Cork were a bit fortunate to win the AI this year and Counihan must shoulder the responsibility for that as he certainly had the best squad. I'm not sure they would have seen off Kerry in the final this year playing they way they did and if I was Counihan I would leave on a high as I think he is a manager who is looking increasingly average.
This is probably a discussion for another day and nobody in Cork will give a damn how they did it. I do, however, agree with you DK that now they have won one they will add to it in the very near future.
The problem with the movement of the Cork forwards is that from under age levels they are taught to play the possession hand pass game and do not know how to do cross field runs etc as they never have had long balls played into them. That is changing but slowly. Club teams are starting to see the benefit of playing it long.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 24, 2010, 08:05:31 PM
Paddy kelly for me is their only outstanding player at present. But they have way more very good players then all other counties.
He'e actually a Kerry man by stock so maybe that explains that :P
Quote from: Zulu on September 24, 2010, 07:13:17 PM
Haven't read too many of the previous posts but I'm I the only man in the country who thought Ciaran Sheehan was the best player on the field? The only other realistic contender for man of the match was Aiden Walsh IMO and while Walsh was acknowledged by some I don't think anyone mentioned Sheehan. That young man put in as good a performance from minute one to seventy as I've seen.
Another point I seem to be on my own is the performance of Noel O'Leary. I didn't think he did well on Clarke who beat him to every ball and was involved in a number of Down scores.
That said, it was a great day and Cork got their well earned All Ireland after a year when they never reached the heights they are capable of. Counihan should take off the shackles or leave as he isn't getting the best out of these lads IMO.
I would concur with a lot of this Zulu. Sheehan was superb IMO and should be young player of year. He's strong as an ox for someone so young.
I don't think Cork ever had their best 15 out all year. Why has Miskella not been playing? Colm O'Neill is probably Cork's best forward too and Murphy isn't starting. Alan O'Connor is a big strong athlete but he's not a great footballer.
Cork play Miskella, Colm O'Neill, Pearce O'Neill in midfield and they're a much better team. They may have won this year but they were much better last year.