Right, enough hand wringing about letting it slip against Dublin.
A win at home against Derry will be enough to get into the semi-finals. At the start of the league I'd have taken that - Derry haven't exactly been spectacular in recent years and home advantage should be worth a couple of points. However, Derry have been the form team of the league so far which makes this a much tougher game than expected although they mightn't be 100% focussed considering they're already qualified.
Will Horan start his strongest team? Or experiment a bit? Personally, I'd like to see some experimentation and I'd go with:
Hennelly
Harrison Caff Cunniffe
Durcan Higgins Drake
Parsons B Moran
McLoughlin COC Vaughan
Sweeney Freeman Gallagher
But I'd expect Horan to go with:
Hennelly
Harrison Caff Cunniffe
Boyle Vaughan Keegan
Gibbons AOS
McLoughlin Higgins Moran
Sweeney Freeman COC
If we were already through to the league semi's, that would be an interesting team to go with McD.
But if we actually want to get through to the semis, that's a bit too much experimentation for my liking!
True, but I think we'll learn more from experimenting against a decent Derry side and losing out on a semi rather than playing the same players in an attempt to get into the semis where we won't experiment either because it's the business end of it
Derry's midfield will be a tough nut to crack and Mark Lynch who will be hard to contain , is in flying from at the moment. It looks to me that McIver has finally organised the undoubted talent Derry have at their disposal and they won't fear coming to Castlebar. I hope they might experiment as they are qualified and maybe take their foot of the gas a bit as they will likely meet us again in the semi should we manage a win? If we fade in the last 10 like we did in the last two matches our league interests will more than likely end early! I am hoping for a one or two point win if we can tightened up enough to concede maybe only one goal over the 70 mins!!
Should Higgins be moved back to the FB line?? He hasn't exactly set the world alight in the HF line so far and obviously we have problems in the FB line. Or maybe play him in a free / sweeper role where he protects the FB line but still has some licence to burst forward
I d expect the same starting 15 again. If Barrett was back he would have got time v Dublin. Important we get a win here. After leaving it behind in Dublin there ll be no complacency anyway but if we are leakey again we re in for a long afternnon. We ve never got it easy against Derry.
It s just a few bad habits we need to sort out. We pretty much know at this stage what everybody in the panel can do. If we get the shape right players can fit in when required. Every game now is a 20 man effort anyway.
Likes of Seamie looks rusty but we know what he can do when fully back. We know what Barry, Richie, Conroy, Varley, Coen can do. They can all start or come on as required.
Surprised Gallagher has not got a run v Cork or Dublin if he is fit. Parsons must be pushing hard and Mikey Sweeney is getting action and may be ahead of likes of Conroy and Varley during the summer.
Be handy enough game for Mayo, even though am going more for the day out more than anything as i hear Derry could drop up to 7 starters to hold back for the semis the following week, to Beat Mayo in castlebar it would have needed Derry at full strength and needing the points if they had been in regelation trouble, plus Tyrone lose out if you win and Dublin turn Tyrone over. That's called a win win up in Derry!
Quote from: macdanger2 on April 01, 2014, 10:45:28 AM
Right, enough hand wringing about letting it slip against Dublin.
A win at home against Derry will be enough to get into the semi-finals. At the start of the league I'd have taken that - Derry haven't exactly been spectacular in recent years and home advantage should be worth a couple of points. However, Derry have been the form team of the league so far which makes this a much tougher game than expected although they mightn't be 100% focussed considering they're already qualified.
Will Horan start his strongest team? Or experiment a bit? Personally, I'd like to see some experimentation and I'd go with:
Hennelly
Harrison Caff Cunniffe
Durcan Higgins Drake
Parsons B Moran
McLoughlin COC Vaughan
Sweeney Freeman Gallagher
But I'd expect Horan to go with:
Hennelly
Harrison Caff Cunniffe
Boyle Vaughan Keegan
Gibbons AOS
McLoughlin Higgins Moran
Sweeney Freeman COC
On your suggested team, the half back line will never happen as it is our strongest line as it is. I would love to see Patrick Durcan get a run, as a Mitchels man, but it is probably to late for him this year. AOS and Jason Gibbons were great on saturday, I think Barry has a lot to offer and am glad in a way to see Tom Parsons coming back into it, but I wouldn't drop the 2 lads.
Your front 6 is interesting though. Allow Higgins to burst with McLaughlin/Vaughan covering and we might shake on that idea. Sweeney deserves another look.
I was critical of Andy Moran in the last few days, mainly for the keep ball farce, but he was still influential against Dublin before that. He just needs to find a bit of form and he will still be a big player for us.
We need a good performance against a team that is flying in the League, but we have been able to do that in recent years when we wanted to. Hopefully this will continue.
I think Andy Moran was slowing the game down the last night any time he got the ball to be honest. He had to take a solo or two and that allowed Dublin get men back. I'm not posting on the Dublin thread, because Indiana has summed my own fears perfectly about this Mayo team. We have to 'instill' a ruthless streak, something I fear can't be done easily.
On the Derry game, they've qualified already - so one would hope Mayo should beat them at home but we need to develop more ruthlessness in our game even to show it for this game.
I was happy enough with Andy Moran. If he gets back close to his best by championship we ll be all happy I think. It was always going to take a while.
This team has been very ruthless at times over the past 3 years. Roscommon, Galway, Cork, Down, Donegal and Dublin for 50mins in 2012 were all on the end of a bit of ruthlessness in championship matches. And players and management deserve credit for this. I think their is a consciousness in this team that they go looking for goals. It s a deliberate thing where before goal chances were thing that might or might not happen. Horan expects runners to take a chance and run from deep positions. This runner often ends up with a goal chance. The fact that Keegan ends up scoring so much is not by chance. Vaughan should score a lot more. Ideally Boyle instead of Vaughan is a player you want to get forward because Boyle can score.
Farrandeeelin will remember a few years ago when Knockmore would patiently wait to tee up Chucky to take the shot on. Crossmaglen used to leave much of the shooting to Oisín because he was most likely to score. One of our problems v Dublin was poor shot selection by players who are not tecnically good enough to be taking on shots from 30metres and more.
For me the biggest problem this team has is making ball stick in the ff line. A stat in Mayo News shows that while we won 80% of kickouts while it was 15v15 only 2 from 12 high balls to ff line stuck. Mixing the brilliant with the terrible and the story of the game is in those stats afaic. 10 Mayo possessions kicked away to the opposition to run back at us. A similar turnover stat was the reason we lost the Donegal final. Something like 2-7 of Donegal s total came from Mayo trying to kick the ball into a ff line.
As soon as the ff thing is mentioned people start to nominate the biggest unit they can think off as a target. Whether its Freeman or an even bigger Barry Moran, high ball is too easily defended by the better teams. With the way the scoring rate has risen in games and top teams ability to counter attack, a target man would need to win a create a score from 50%? of the ball going in. 2 balls won from 12 is not sustainable. For that reason I would prefer a more versatile target player inside and rely on clever runs and low balls to get ball to stick inside. That is where Andy and Dillon have a role to play yet.
If we could get the ff thing sorted, and we have the personnel to do it imo, we would take another leap forward. Pressure would be taken off other parts of the team. People have been moaning about our defense but look at where the problems are happening. Turnovers into the ff line with our hbs in advanced roles. Ripe for the sucker punch.
QuoteHennelly
Harrison Caff Cunniffe
Durcan Higgins Drake
Parsons B Moran
McLoughlin COC Vaughan
Sweeney Freeman Gallagher
That's a bit too experimental.
I would prefer
Hennelly
Harrison Caff Cunniffe
Keegan Vaughan Boyle
AOShea JGibbons
McLoughlin COC KHiggins
Sweeney BMoran Freeman
Quote from: highorlow on April 01, 2014, 11:58:48 PM
QuoteHennelly
Harrison Caff Cunniffe
Durcan Higgins Drake
Parsons B Moran
McLoughlin COC Vaughan
Sweeney Freeman Gallagher
That's a bit too experimental.
I would prefer
Hennelly
Harrison Caff Cunniffe
Keegan Vaughan Boyle
AOShea JGibbons
McLoughlin COC KHiggins
Sweeney BMoran Freeman
Maybe I m missing something here and it s a while since I got a chemistry set to experiment with but why the need for experimentation? If anything I would narrow it down. Actually it looks like management are doing that anyway. We have maybe 20 players that can play at the summit - everybody fit. Injuries to crucial players like Caff, Boyle, Aos, Higg and McLough and we re brown bread. There are no secret players or combinations in the squad imo. I m sure management are focussing on tactics, consistency, organistion and getting impact subs off the bench rather than subs that flute around.
QuoteMaybe I m missing something here and it s a while since I got a chemistry set to experiment with but why the need for experimentation?
We need to get the more direct game plan working at the start of these games. The main reason, imo, for the 'non-impact' subs is we reach burn out on 60 mins due to the running game. If we start to mix it more our defense can defend more and in particular from the crucial 60th minute onwards.
QuoteI m sure management are focussing on tactics, consistency, organistion and getting impact subs off the bench rather than subs that flute around.
You nailed it there. The initial tactic against the Dubs of been more direct didn't really work the last day with the set of forwards on the field. I think if B Moran and Freeman are in there together and Sweeney feeding off them we can make it work, seems kind of obvious.
Just have my pedantic head on lads but why "AN Doire"?
oh well they could have went with Londonderry like Kerry Radio mentioned, when taking about the team from Dingle meeting St Pats in the Hogan Cup Final. Can`t wait, the St pats team will cream them big time for that remark
Quote from: 5 Sams on April 02, 2014, 12:53:29 AM
Just have my pedantic head on lads but why "AN Doire"?
I know.
Just 'Doire'. Didn t want to say anything. I m in enough bad books on here.
Quote from: highorlow on April 02, 2014, 12:34:57 AM
QuoteMaybe I m missing something here and it s a while since I got a chemistry set to experiment with but why the need for experimentation?
We need to get the more direct game plan working at the start of these games. The main reason, imo, for the 'non-impact' subs is we reach burn out on 60 mins due to the running game. If we start to mix it more our defense can defend more and in particular from the crucial 60th minute onwards.
QuoteI m sure management are focussing on tactics, consistency, organistion and getting impact subs off the bench rather than subs that flute around.
You nailed it there. The initial tactic against the Dubs of been more direct didn't really work the last day with the set of forwards on the field. I think if B Moran and Freeman are in there together and Sweeney feeding off them we can make it work, seems kind of obvious.
I doubt it. Instead of one, we give the opposition two stagnant targets to not worry about. That tactic is obsolete.
We d be going back to our worst nightmare. Donaghy! Tyrone had no problem dealing with something that terrified us.
Anyway it s been tried before and it didn t work in Derry under Johnno and it didn t work on St. Patrick's Day with Pateen. It might be obvious and that is one reason why it wont work. A defense like Dublin would love to see that rolled out. We need to do something bold, not resort to Wimbledon shite.
Quote from: 5 Sams on April 02, 2014, 12:53:29 AM
Just have my pedantic head on lads but why "AN Doire"?
Psychological warefare :P
Quote from: moysider on April 02, 2014, 12:20:33 AM
Quote from: highorlow on April 01, 2014, 11:58:48 PM
QuoteHennelly
Harrison Caff Cunniffe
Durcan Higgins Drake
Parsons B Moran
McLoughlin COC Vaughan
Sweeney Freeman Gallagher
That's a bit too experimental.
I would prefer
Hennelly
Harrison Caff Cunniffe
Keegan Vaughan Boyle
AOShea JGibbons
McLoughlin COC KHiggins
Sweeney BMoran Freeman
Maybe I m missing something here and it s a while since I got a chemistry set to experiment with but why the need for experimentation?
A few reasons I'd experiment:
- We already know what the current team can do - who's to say what a couple of new combiinations might give us. That said, James has decided on 13 of the 15 starters already
- Keep the players on their toes, the HB line are guaranteed championship starters but if they see a young lad like Durcan getting a run out and doing well, they'll know that it's not a god-given right they have
- Have a look at possible options in case we get injuries during the summer. IMO, the only injuries we could get where we wouldn't have a reasonable replacement (albeit untried in some cases) are Caff, COC & McLoughlin
- This match is almost meaningless
TBF moy, you're the very man who lauds the likes of Clare for sticking on an untried young fella in an All Ireland final (and I'd agree with you on that) but why you don't see the need to experiment in a league match in April is beyond me???
Vaughan at half forward is something I'd like to see tried, I think he could give us a lot in terms of his size & athleticism. I don't think we're getting the best out of Keith Higgins there - maybe he'll grow into it over the year though
Quote from: macdanger2 on April 02, 2014, 07:49:49 AM
Quote from: moysider on April 02, 2014, 12:20:33 AM
Quote from: highorlow on April 01, 2014, 11:58:48 PM
QuoteHennelly
Harrison Caff Cunniffe
Durcan Higgins Drake
Parsons B Moran
McLoughlin COC Vaughan
Sweeney Freeman Gallagher
That's a bit too experimental.
I would prefer
Hennelly
Harrison Caff Cunniffe
Keegan Vaughan Boyle
AOShea JGibbons
McLoughlin COC KHiggins
Sweeney BMoran Freeman
Maybe I m missing something here and it s a while since I got a chemistry set to experiment with but why the need for experimentation?
A few reasons I'd experiment:
- We already know what the current team can do - who's to say what a couple of new combiinations might give us. That said, James has decided on 13 of the 15 starters already
- Keep the players on their toes, the HB line are guaranteed championship starters but if they see a young lad like Durcan getting a run out and doing well, they'll know that it's not a god-given right they have
- Have a look at possible options in case we get injuries during the summer. IMO, the only injuries we could get where we wouldn't have a reasonable replacement (albeit untried in some cases) are Caff, COC & McLoughlin
- This match is almost meaningless
TBF moy, you're the very man who lauds the likes of Clare for sticking on an untried young fella in an All Ireland final (and I'd agree with you on that) but why you don't see the need to experiment in a league match in April is beyond me???
Vaughan at half forward is something I'd like to see tried, I think he could give us a lot in terms of his size & athleticism. I don't think we're getting the best out of Keith Higgins there - maybe he'll grow into it over the year though
How is this match meaningless!? After last week's match, I think this game has taken on a much bigger significance.
If we lose, we won't be in the semis and the disappointment, frustration and self-doubt from the Dublin match will be allowed to fester until Championship rolls around, and could potentially leave us (players, management and supporters) deflated and doubting ourselves even more than usual.
If we win, we're in the semis and straight back to Croker for a chance to put things right and move on.
There's only one match we can win in croker that will "put things right"
I doubt the players are allowing Saturday's result to instill doubt in the same way supporters are
Quote from: macdanger2 on April 02, 2014, 07:49:49 AM
Quote from: moysider on April 02, 2014, 12:20:33 AM
Quote from: highorlow on April 01, 2014, 11:58:48 PM
QuoteHennelly
Harrison Caff Cunniffe
Durcan Higgins Drake
Parsons B Moran
McLoughlin COC Vaughan
Sweeney Freeman Gallagher
That's a bit too experimental.
I would prefer
Hennelly
Harrison Caff Cunniffe
Keegan Vaughan Boyle
AOShea JGibbons
McLoughlin COC KHiggins
Sweeney BMoran Freeman
Maybe I m missing something here and it s a while since I got a chemistry set to experiment with but why the need for experimentation?
A few reasons I'd experiment:
- We already know what the current team can do - who's to say what a couple of new combiinations might give us. That said, James has decided on 13 of the 15 starters already
- Keep the players on their toes, the HB line are guaranteed championship starters but if they see a young lad like Durcan getting a run out and doing well, they'll know that it's not a god-given right they have
- Have a look at possible options in case we get injuries during the summer. IMO, the only injuries we could get where we wouldn't have a reasonable replacement (albeit untried in some cases) are Caff, COC & McLoughlin
- This match is almost meaningless
TBF moy, you're the very man who lauds the likes of Clare for sticking on an untried young fella in an All Ireland final (and I'd agree with you on that) but why you don't see the need to experiment in a league match in April is beyond me???
Vaughan at half forward is something I'd like to see tried, I think he could give us a lot in terms of his size & athleticism. I don't think we're getting the best out of Keith Higgins there - maybe he'll grow into it over the year though
Tbh I don t think there s any new tricks in the panel waiting to be discovered. Even Mikey Sweeney was there 4/5 years ago. We ve all know what Conroy, Varley and Coen can do. Likes of Keane seems to have run out of runway. The Vaughan at half-forward is something that could be looked at and who knows it may have been looked at already in training or in a challenge match. I ve my doubts if he has the skills to do a job there because his decision making for starters is not great in advanced situations. Things like that are tried anyway before an actual competitive game. Do we know that Patrick Durkan is in the squad. Likes of Stephen and him it s only a matter of time rather than see if they can do a job. There are no untried young fellas in the squad. I had a particular individual in mind at the time.
I can McIver experimenting with this one considering we are already qualified. I'm hoping he will give some boys game time who are currently on the fringes of the team. For once not only do we have a strong starting 15 but we've got strength in depth and fellas who can come on and make an impact.
Expecting a tight game and possibly Mayo to win by a few points.
What's the story with the semi's? Are they in Croker or do 1st & 2nd place get home advantage?
Croker last year anyway
From a Derry perspective, would like to see this team:
McNicholl
Mckinless Mckaige McBride
SL Mc. OKane Johnson
Patsy Lynch
Mcfaul Kielt Lynn
Oboyle Bell McGoldrick
Kept the defence the same as they were brilliant at the weekend and will be a tough forward line of mayos to defend against. Took Lynch out to MF which will give a space for Kielt to have another chance in CHF, kept the pace and creativity of the other HFs. Give heron a rest and start mcgoldrick in the corner, looked lively against Kildare when he came on. Ryan Bell into FF, think he has the attributes to be a brilliant FF, big and strong, great hands and a lighting shot. also wasn't very impressed by Mcguckin at the weekend. What other fringe players do we have in our panel? Mcatamney? Charlie Kielt? McAlynn?
Quote from: moysider on April 01, 2014, 10:17:52 PM
I was happy enough with Andy Moran. If he gets back close to his best by championship we ll be all happy I think. It was always going to take a while.
This team has been very ruthless at times over the past 3 years. Roscommon, Galway, Cork, Down, Donegal and Dublin for 50mins in 2012 were all on the end of a bit of ruthlessness in championship matches. And players and management deserve credit for this. I think their is a consciousness in this team that they go looking for goals. It s a deliberate thing where before goal chances were thing that might or might not happen. Horan expects runners to take a chance and run from deep positions. This runner often ends up with a goal chance. The fact that Keegan ends up scoring so much is not by chance. Vaughan should score a lot more. Ideally Boyle instead of Vaughan is a player you want to get forward because Boyle can score.
Farrandeeelin will remember a few years ago when Knockmore would patiently wait to tee up Chucky to take the shot on. Crossmaglen used to leave much of the shooting to Oisín because he was most likely to score. One of our problems v Dublin was poor shot selection by players who are not tecnically good enough to be taking on shots from 30metres and more.
For me the biggest problem this team has is making ball stick in the ff line. A stat in Mayo News shows that while we won 80% of kickouts while it was 15v15 only 2 from 12 high balls to ff line stuck. Mixing the brilliant with the terrible and the story of the game is in those stats afaic. 10 Mayo possessions kicked away to the opposition to run back at us. A similar turnover stat was the reason we lost the Donegal final. Something like 2-7 of Donegal s total came from Mayo trying to kick the ball into a ff line.
As soon as the ff thing is mentioned people start to nominate the biggest unit they can think off as a target. Whether its Freeman or an even bigger Barry Moran, high ball is too easily defended by the better teams. With the way the scoring rate has risen in games and top teams ability to counter attack, a target man would need to win a create a score from 50%? of the ball going in. 2 balls won from 12 is not sustainable. For that reason I would prefer a more versatile target player inside and rely on clever runs and low balls to get ball to stick inside. That is where Andy and Dillon have a role to play yet.
If we could get the ff thing sorted, and we have the personnel to do it imo, we would take another leap forward. Pressure would be taken off other parts of the team. People have been moaning about our defense but look at where the problems are happening. Turnovers into the ff line with our hbs in advanced roles. Ripe for the sucker punch.
When you consider the fact that we scored 2-17 and were 5 points up with 5 minutes to go, its hard to see how those stats were 'the story of the game.' That 2 out of 12 stat related to the first half only, a half where we went in four points up. That game was left behind because we stopped playing for the last 5 minutes, not because of the general forward play for the previous 65.
Fair enough, the number of ball that stuck in there the last night could have been better but I think that this tactical change is one thats on the right track. The last time we kicked as much ball was indeed the Donegal final, the problem there was that their early lead was just too insurmountable, not the kicking game. The fact that we havnt attempted this type of game in the last 2 years meant that a lot of the execution in our kick passing the last night was poor, hence some of the long ball appearing aimless. This however is something that can be greatly improved as the year progresses. Turnovers are where most matches are won and lost in the modern game. I would argue that a turnover lost playing our running game is a lot more dangerous than one lost kicking a long ball to the full forward line. What we often see with the running game is a mayo player getting dispossed in traffic while our half back line are all inside the oppositions 45. This leaves that large open space that was so obvious during the first few league matches. With a lost long ball the half back line are already in a position to regroup and defend. I think this is highlighted by that 2 out of 12 stat. Even though we kicked the ball away 10 times in that first half, no goal was conceeded. On the other hand, of the 2 balls that stuck, one turned up in the back of net.
Look Im not advocating a complete abandonment of the running game, I know its served us well over the last few years, I just think that we need to vary it against the top teams or we'll be caught out like we were in last years final.
Anyway looking forward to the Derry game at the weekend, Id stick with more or less the same team that went out the last day with maybe Sweeney in for Doc. As others have mentioned, its vital that we qualify for the semis so that our collapse against the dubs dosnt linger and that means getting our best team out on the pitch. Do that and theres no reason why we shouldnt be challenging for a league title come the end of the month.
Quote from: Dubhaltach on April 02, 2014, 06:16:45 PM
Quote from: moysider on April 01, 2014, 10:17:52 PM
I was happy enough with Andy Moran. If he gets back close to his best by championship we ll be all happy I think. It was always going to take a while.
This team has been very ruthless at times over the past 3 years. Roscommon, Galway, Cork, Down, Donegal and Dublin for 50mins in 2012 were all on the end of a bit of ruthlessness in championship matches. And players and management deserve credit for this. I think their is a consciousness in this team that they go looking for goals. It s a deliberate thing where before goal chances were thing that might or might not happen. Horan expects runners to take a chance and run from deep positions. This runner often ends up with a goal chance. The fact that Keegan ends up scoring so much is not by chance. Vaughan should score a lot more. Ideally Boyle instead of Vaughan is a player you want to get forward because Boyle can score.
Farrandeeelin will remember a few years ago when Knockmore would patiently wait to tee up Chucky to take the shot on. Crossmaglen used to leave much of the shooting to Oisín because he was most likely to score. One of our problems v Dublin was poor shot selection by players who are not tecnically good enough to be taking on shots from 30metres and more.
For me the biggest problem this team has is making ball stick in the ff line. A stat in Mayo News shows that while we won 80% of kickouts while it was 15v15 only 2 from 12 high balls to ff line stuck. Mixing the brilliant with the terrible and the story of the game is in those stats afaic. 10 Mayo possessions kicked away to the opposition to run back at us. A similar turnover stat was the reason we lost the Donegal final. Something like 2-7 of Donegal s total came from Mayo trying to kick the ball into a ff line.
As soon as the ff thing is mentioned people start to nominate the biggest unit they can think off as a target. Whether its Freeman or an even bigger Barry Moran, high ball is too easily defended by the better teams. With the way the scoring rate has risen in games and top teams ability to counter attack, a target man would need to win a create a score from 50%? of the ball going in. 2 balls won from 12 is not sustainable. For that reason I would prefer a more versatile target player inside and rely on clever runs and low balls to get ball to stick inside. That is where Andy and Dillon have a role to play yet.
If we could get the ff thing sorted, and we have the personnel to do it imo, we would take another leap forward. Pressure would be taken off other parts of the team. People have been moaning about our defense but look at where the problems are happening. Turnovers into the ff line with our hbs in advanced roles. Ripe for the sucker punch.
When you consider the fact that we scored 2-17 and were 5 points up with 5 minutes to go, its hard to see how those stats were 'the story of the game.' That 2 out of 12 stat related to the first half only, a half where we went in four points up. That game was left behind because we stopped playing for the last 5 minutes, not because of the general forward play for the previous 65.
Fair enough, the number of ball that stuck in there the last night could have been better but I think that this tactical change is one thats on the right track. The last time we kicked as much ball was indeed the Donegal final, the problem there was that their early lead was just too insurmountable, not the kicking game. The fact that we havnt attempted this type of game in the last 2 years meant that a lot of the execution in our kick passing the last night was poor, hence some of the long ball appearing aimless. This however is something that can be greatly improved as the year progresses. Turnovers are where most matches are won and lost in the modern game. I would argue that a turnover lost playing our running game is a lot more dangerous than one lost kicking a long ball to the full forward line. What we often see with the running game is a mayo player getting dispossed in traffic while our half back line are all inside the oppositions 45. This leaves that large open space that was so obvious during the first few league matches. With a lost long ball the half back line are already in a position to regroup and defend. I think this is highlighted by that 2 out of 12 stat. Even though we kicked the ball away 10 times in that first half, no goal was conceeded. On the other hand, of the 2 balls that stuck, one turned up in the back of net.
Look Im not advocating a complete abandonment of the running game, I know its served us well over the last few years, I just think that we need to vary it against the top teams or we'll be caught out like we were in last years final.
Anyway looking forward to the Derry game at the weekend, Id stick with more or less the same team that went out the last day with maybe Sweeney in for Doc. As others have mentioned, its vital that we qualify for the semis so that our collapse against the dubs dosnt linger and that means getting our best team out on the pitch. Do that and theres no reason why we shouldnt be challenging for a league title come the end of the month.
Both Donegal goals came from Mayo turning over possession at the other end. The first came after Eamonn McGee cut out a kick pass from Dillon to COC. 12 seconds later the ball was in the back of the net. The second goal was another counter attack after Cillian got bottled up near the Donegal and had a free awarded against him. Free probably should have gone the other way. But that is how Donegal got their early lead.
Those stats were the 'story of the Dublin game' because our midfield dominance was such that we should have killed them and probably should have been 10 points or more ahead with 5 minutes to go and game put to bed. If Dublin had that kind of dominance their forwards would have nailed us to a cross. Our kicking game into ff line is so bad it is a polite way of giving hard won possession to a struggling opposition.
Like you I realise we have to persist with some early ball into a ff line. But there is neither enough pace or movement in there as things stand. We could start by playing a different system where we can isolate 1 or 2 ffs inside with space to run onto passes. I m not a fan of the stand- up full-forward. But basically I think we are saying the same thing.
why do people still insist on a complete over haul of the mayo team and way of playing when we have never been as close to an all Ireland as we have now.
Mayo are definitely one of the top two teams in the country and never before in my time watching mayo could you have said tat with such assurance . maybe in 1997 but the way the team and fans imploded in shame after that should teach us a valuable lessons.
Many fans are heading down that same road again with twin towers approach and Moving Vaughan to half forward dragging Durcan in from nowhere, and worst moving the style away from a running game to do that we would need 12 new players and the kicking and catching skill of this team is only average. Prime example being cafferkey and Boyle .
this is a team that needs fine tuning not overhaul.
now you could make a case that a new voice is need for that final touch but Horan deserves one more shot
1. Eoin McNicholl (Gleann an Iolair)
2. Oisin Duffy (Forghleann)
3. Conor McAtamney (Suaitreach)
4. Karl McKaigue (Leacht Néill)
5. Charlie Kielt (Cill Ria) (C)
6. Mark Craig (Dún Geimhin)
7. Aidan McAlynn (An Lúb)
8. Emmett McGuckin (Machaire Fíolta)
9. Niall Holly (Eoghan Rua)
10. Aaron Devlin (Baile an Doire)
11. Danny Heavron (Machaire Fíolta)
12. Carlus McWilliams (Baile na Scrine)
13. James Kearney (Suaitreach)
14. Declan Mullan (Eoghan Rua)
15. Ciaran McGoldrick (Eoghan Rua)
16. Thomas Mallon (An Lúb)
17. Gerard O'Kane (Gleann an Iolair)
18. Kieran Conway (Baile na Scrine)
19. Paudie McGuigan (Leacht Néill)
20. Emmet Bradley (Gleann)
21. Peter Cassidy (Baile Eachaidh)
22. Aaron Kerrigan (Clóidigh)
23. Neill McNicholl (Gleann an Iolair)
24. Niall McFeely (Fothaír Ghleann)
25. Ryan Bell (Baile an Doire)
26. Anthony O'Neill (An Lúb)
27. Cailean O'Boyle (Leamhaigh)
Huge amount of changes on Derry team. Some regulars not on the panel at all.
Quote from: Estimator on April 03, 2014, 10:17:25 PM
1. Eoin McNicholl (Gleann an Iolair)
2. Oisin Duffy (Forghleann)
3. Conor McAtamney (Suaitreach)
4. Karl McKaigue (Leacht Néill)
5. Charlie Kielt (Cill Ria) (C)
6. Mark Craig (Dún Geimhin)
7. Aidan McAlynn (An Lúb)
8. Emmett McGuckin (Machaire Fíolta)
9. Niall Holly (Eoghan Rua)
10. Aaron Devlin (Baile an Doire)
11. Danny Heavron (Machaire Fíolta)
12. Carlus McWilliams (Baile na Scrine)
13. James Kearney (Suaitreach)
14. Declan Mullan (Eoghan Rua)
15. Ciaran McGoldrick (Eoghan Rua)
16. Thomas Mallon (An Lúb)
17. Gerard O'Kane (Gleann an Iolair)
18. Kieran Conway (Baile na Scrine)
19. Paudie McGuigan (Leacht Néill)
20. Emmet Bradley (Gleann)
21. Peter Cassidy (Baile Eachaidh)
22. Aaron Kerrigan (Clóidigh)
23. Neill McNicholl (Gleann an Iolair)
24. Niall McFeely (Fothaír Ghleann)
25. Ryan Bell (Baile an Doire)
26. Anthony O'Neill (An Lúb)
27. Cailean O'Boyle (Leamhaigh)
Huge amount of changes on Derry team. Some regulars not on the panel at all.
Wow. Looks like Derrry are going to keep their powder dry and rest the A team for the semis. Why not? They are already qualified and they get to look at how their back-up perform against a team gunning for the points.
Derry have effectively given us a walkover with that team. SF slot now guaranteed.
Quote from: Mayo Mick on April 03, 2014, 10:56:07 PM
Derry have effectively given us a walkover with that team. SF slot now guaranteed.
It's no secret us Derry folk love to holiday in Mayo....give and take :-)
Quote from: J OGorman on April 03, 2014, 10:59:03 PM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on April 03, 2014, 10:56:07 PM
Derry have effectively given us a walkover with that team. SF slot now guaranteed.
It's no secret us Derry folk love to holiday in Mayo....give and take :-)
The last thing we need is another match against Dublin in Croker.
Time to put out last year's minor team.
(girls minor team - just to be on the safe side)
Quote from: muppet on April 03, 2014, 11:28:51 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on April 03, 2014, 10:59:03 PM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on April 03, 2014, 10:56:07 PM
Derry have effectively given us a walkover with that team. SF slot now guaranteed.
It's no secret us Derry folk love to holiday in Mayo....give and take :-)
The last thing we need is another match against Dublin in Croker.
Time to put out last year's minor team.
(girls minor team - just to be on the safe side)
Make that buck in the Connaught Telegraph manager for Sunday and let him pick one of his teams. Kill two birds with one stone.
Full 15 changes on the starting team plus another 7 or so new faces on the subs, only 3 starters the last day on the subs, well with 36 / 38 men training you got to give them some game time even if you lose the game by a handful
Quote from: muppet on April 03, 2014, 11:28:51 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on April 03, 2014, 10:59:03 PM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on April 03, 2014, 10:56:07 PM
Derry have effectively given us a walkover with that team. SF slot now guaranteed.
It's no secret us Derry folk love to holiday in Mayo....give and take :-)
The last thing we need is another match against Dublin in Croker.
Time to put out last year's minor team.
(girls minor team - just to be on the safe side)
Nah Muppet. The most thing we need is another match against Dublin in Croker.
Anyway Cork and Derry already in semis and with Dublin having to go to Omagh without Cluxton I d expect Tyrone to make semis too. Some of the top Dublin players look like they re not enjoying this Spring stuff. Apart from the Cluxton kick, the head on McCauley looked like somebody that had his bull money stopped :o
Glad to see Mcivor giving these men a shot. With 14 new starters, we are bound to get a dcecent performance from at least 4 or 5. Wouldn't have made that many changes but sure will be good to get a good look at our squad.
Quote from: moysider on April 03, 2014, 11:55:42 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 03, 2014, 11:28:51 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on April 03, 2014, 10:59:03 PM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on April 03, 2014, 10:56:07 PM
Derry have effectively given us a walkover with that team. SF slot now guaranteed.
It's no secret us Derry folk love to holiday in Mayo....give and take :-)
The last thing we need is another match against Dublin in Croker.
Time to put out last year's minor team.
(girls minor team - just to be on the safe side)
Nah Muppet. The most thing we need is another match against Dublin in Croker.
Anyway Cork and Derry already in semis and with Dublin having to go to Omagh without Cluxton I d expect Tyrone to make semis too. Some of the top Dublin players look like they re not enjoying this Spring stuff. Apart from the Cluxton kick, the head on McCauley looked like somebody that had his bull money stopped :o
Where's Heffo when I need him?
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on April 03, 2014, 11:37:07 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 03, 2014, 11:28:51 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on April 03, 2014, 10:59:03 PM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on April 03, 2014, 10:56:07 PM
Derry have effectively given us a walkover with that team. SF slot now guaranteed.
It's no secret us Derry folk love to holiday in Mayo....give and take :-)
The last thing we need is another match against Dublin in Croker.
Time to put out last year's minor team.
(girls minor team - just to be on the safe side)
Make that buck in the Connaught Telegraph manager for Sunday and let him pick one of his teams. Kill two birds with one stone.
Who is that Iolar?
Quote from: muppet on April 04, 2014, 12:07:47 AM
Quote from: moysider on April 03, 2014, 11:55:42 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 03, 2014, 11:28:51 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on April 03, 2014, 10:59:03 PM
Quote from: Mayo Mick on April 03, 2014, 10:56:07 PM
Derry have effectively given us a walkover with that team. SF slot now guaranteed.
It's no secret us Derry folk love to holiday in Mayo....give and take :-)
The last thing we need is another match against Dublin in Croker.
Time to put out last year's minor team.
(girls minor team - just to be on the safe side)
Nah Muppet. The most thing we need is another match against Dublin in Croker.
Anyway Cork and Derry already in semis and with Dublin having to go to Omagh without Cluxton I d expect Tyrone to make semis too. Some of the top Dublin players look like they re not enjoying this Spring stuff. Apart from the Cluxton kick, the head on McCauley looked like somebody that had his bull money stopped :o
Where's Heffo when I need him?
I dunno but Indiana might agree with me! Something about attitude of some Dublin players not right it seems to me. Probably 1 and 2 ranked players in the country last year were very thick last Saturday night. Not cool at all. There seems a sense of entitlement there now and hopefully that will continue.
Thanks for that McIver.. :(
At least we get to beat Cork anyway (I would hope), always a feelgood factor to that.
I assume you are talking about Aiden Henry ,Iolar.That is one paper I hope to never read again in my lifetime after the hatchet job they done on Horan last september
could we play this one at Keem Bay? Few cooler bags, revellers buying 99's from the van. Kids laughter filling the air. Great view of proceedings from the hills
ill preface this with i know mayo could still lose but it would be embarrassing in the extreme if they did ,
Derry are showing the league no respect whatsoever and its very unfair on the players from counties trying to Qualify when Derry seem to be trying to throw this game.
there should be a 'Bringing the game into disrepute charge ' to Punish this behaviour.
I'm seriously thinking about deliberately missing my 1st league game in about 5 years , So what if mayo win against a team of Derry subs and a loss as i said would be a disaster.
next time you hear about a Derry club or CB whinging about Finance they should be reminded of sunday
Quote from: rosnarun on April 04, 2014, 11:05:53 AM
ill preface this with i know mayo could still lose but it would be embarrassing in the extreme if they did ,
Derry are showing the league no respect whatsoever and its very unfair on the players from counties trying to Qualify when Derry seem to be trying to throw this game.
there should be a 'Bringing the game into disrepute charge ' to Punish this behaviour.
I'm seriously thinking about deliberately missing my 1st league game in about 5 years , So what if mayo win against a team of Derry subs and a loss as i said would be a disaster.
next time you hear about a Derry club or CB whinging about Finance they should be reminded of sunday
just out of curiousity when did you here a derry club or CB whinge about Finance?
Quote from: rosnarun on April 04, 2014, 11:05:53 AM
ill preface this with i know mayo could still lose but it would be embarrassing in the extreme if they did ,
Derry are showing the league no respect whatsoever and its very unfair on the players from counties trying to Qualify when Derry seem to be trying to throw this game.
there should be a 'Bringing the game into disrepute charge ' to Punish this behaviour.
I'm seriously thinking about deliberately missing my 1st league game in about 5 years , So what if mayo win against a team of Derry subs and a loss as i said would be a disaster.
next time you hear about a Derry club or CB whinging about Finance they should be reminded of sunday
aye they should have brought that rule in after the 2006 football final!!
Quote from: rosnarun on April 04, 2014, 11:05:53 AM
ill preface this with i know mayo could still lose but it would be embarrassing in the extreme if they did ,
Derry are showing the league no respect whatsoever and its very unfair on the players from counties trying to Qualify when Derry seem to be trying to throw this game.
there should be a 'Bringing the game into disrepute charge ' to Punish this behaviour.
I'm seriously thinking about deliberately missing my 1st league game in about 5 years , So what if mayo win against a team of Derry subs and a loss as i said would be a disaster.
next time you hear about a Derry club or CB whinging about Finance they should be reminded of sunday
Likewise you are showing the Derry players, who have all weighed in with a fantastic attitude this year, no respect whatsoever. What a load of crying nonsense. Provided the team shows up fully motivated and ready to perform McIver can pick from the wider panel whomsoever he wants.
Big difference in picking an experimental line-up and 'throwing a game'.
P.S. would love to hear your suggestions on how to enforce a 'disrepute charge' based on team selection.
I am not sure forcing CBs to pay fines for unacceptable team selections is the way to go. ;D
It is bad enough trying to please the media, the supporters and us internet warriors as it is.
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Derry are entitled to play whatever players they have who are training fully with the panel. Other teams who fielded 'weaker' teams in the early rounds who maybe need Derry to win or draw to help them along are hardly in a position to complain. Dublin came to Derry with only six of the starters who won the All Ireland, didn't hear a dicky bow about it. Give my fecking head peace!! FFS
Quote from: shawshank on April 04, 2014, 11:56:29 AM
Derry are entitled to play whatever players they have who are training fully with the panel. Other teams who fielded 'weaker' teams in the early rounds who maybe need Derry to win or draw to help them along are hardly in a position to complain. Dublin came to Derry with only six of the starters who won the All Ireland, didn't hear a dicky bow about it. Give my fecking head peace!! FFS
Well said. I wonder will Horan experiment, or will he want to go all gung-ho?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 04, 2014, 03:55:54 PM
Quote from: shawshank on April 04, 2014, 11:56:29 AM
Derry are entitled to play whatever players they have who are training fully with the panel. Other teams who fielded 'weaker' teams in the early rounds who maybe need Derry to win or draw to help them along are hardly in a position to complain. Dublin came to Derry with only six of the starters who won the All Ireland, didn't hear a dicky bow about it. Give my fecking head peace!! FFS
Well said. I wonder will Horan experiment, or will he want to go all gung-ho?
I don't know Farr which would way would be best to go. Lads do need game time but we don't have the luxury the Derrymen have as we need to win to make the semi's! Also I can't remember us having it easy against Derry as they fairly hammered us in Mac's last game and we poxed a league win up there in 2010 so my preference would be go strong and get the job done.
Quote from: maigheo on April 04, 2014, 02:37:51 AM
I assume you are talking about Aiden Henry ,Iolar.That is one paper I hope to never read again in my lifetime after the hatchet job they done on Horan last september
I think that's the man Maigheo, yeah. He had a genuinely spectacular pop at Horan after the All-Ireland, and I'm under the impression he's kept it up since. Imagine a cross between Eamon Dunphy and Willie Frazier and you'll get an idea of the sort of stuff he was coming out with.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on April 04, 2014, 07:33:53 PM
Quote from: maigheo on April 04, 2014, 02:37:51 AM
I assume you are talking about Aiden Henry ,Iolar.That is one paper I hope to never read again in my lifetime after the hatchet job they done on Horan last september
I think that's the man Maigheo, yeah. He had a genuinely spectacular pop at Horan after the All-Ireland, and I'm under the impression he's kept it up since. Imagine a cross between Eamon Dunphy and Willie Frazier and you'll get an idea of the sort of stuff he was coming out with.
There must be a lot of people hanging onto every word of his though.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 04, 2014, 08:34:29 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on April 04, 2014, 07:33:53 PM
Quote from: maigheo on April 04, 2014, 02:37:51 AM
I assume you are talking about Aiden Henry ,Iolar.That is one paper I hope to never read again in my lifetime after the hatchet job they done on Horan last september
I think that's the man Maigheo, yeah. He had a genuinely spectacular pop at Horan after the All-Ireland, and I'm under the impression he's kept it up since. Imagine a cross between Eamon Dunphy and Willie Frazier and you'll get an idea of the sort of stuff he was coming out with.
There must be a lot of people hanging onto every word of his though.
That s the problem Farr. So many people in the county are informed by the likes of that shite. Everything they read or hear on madwest is gospel.
Still no sign of a team but I don t expect Horan to be unfluenced by the Derry selection. Even if he shook it up most of the panel is seasoned anyway and would look familiar. Like a midfield of Barry, Seamie or Parsons wouldn t look out of place.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on April 04, 2014, 07:33:53 PM
Quote from: maigheo on April 04, 2014, 02:37:51 AM
I assume you are talking about Aiden Henry ,Iolar.That is one paper I hope to never read again in my lifetime after the hatchet job they done on Horan last september
I think that's the man Maigheo, yeah. He had a genuinely spectacular pop at Horan after the All-Ireland, and I'm under the impression he's kept it up since. Imagine a cross between Eamon Dunphy and Willie Frazier and you'll get an idea of the sort of stuff he was coming out with.
Jebus!
Mayo CB should be fined for bringing the game into disrepute.
It's an insult to the league to not name your name to supporters who pay good money in to see the team.
Enda Kenny, would you please sort this mess out?!!! :o
Quote from: sheamy on April 04, 2014, 10:03:54 PM
Mayo CB should be fined for bringing the game into disrepute.
It's an insult to the league to not name your name to supporters who pay good money in to see the team.Enda Kenny, would you please sort this mess out?!!! :o
Yeah, especially Derry supporters who would probably like to know they would get to see most of the Mayo stars after a longish journey down.
Seriously though, it is disrespectful to fans. And it is deliberate but not deliberately disrespectful of course.
Quote from: sheamy on April 04, 2014, 10:03:54 PM
Mayo CB should be fined for bringing the game into disrepute.
It's an insult to the league to not name your name to supporters who pay good money in to see the team.
Enda Kenny, would you please sort this mess out?!!! :o
Even our more eccentric supporters probably know our name. ;D
Ah darn, one typo and the game is up.
Do Mayo normally name their team before the game? Just asking.
QuoteEven our more eccentric supporters probably know our name
That reminds me of the Micheal Jackson incident.
Quote from: highorlow on April 04, 2014, 10:29:14 PM
QuoteEven our more eccentric supporters probably know our name
That reminds me of the Micheal Jackson incident.
That was a Thriller.
Shower of in-bred fcukers. Throwing the game so they can laugh at us over the Ballinderry Bridge.
Quote from: ONeill on April 04, 2014, 10:31:40 PM
Shower of in-bred fcukers. Throwing the game so they can laugh at us over the Ballinderry Bridge.
Hmmm. Expect ye lot to qualify for semi and ye just might get to play them. That d be nice!
Wheres the best bars in castlebar to catch a few drinks before the game lads?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 04, 2014, 10:57:09 PM
Wheres the best bars in castlebar to catch a few drinks before the game lads?
Byrne's on Main St. and definitely wear your county jersey.
If that is packed try McCarthy's beside it.
That do muppet, we only got about 200 die hards or so who travel to these games may less with the team named
Quote from: sheamy on April 04, 2014, 10:23:25 PM
Ah darn, one typo and the game is up.
Do Mayo normally name their team before the game? Just asking.
Usually on the Friday before a Sunday game. Not sure why it isn't out already.
Here it is.
1) Robbie Hennelly - Breaffy
2) Tom Cunniffe - Castlebar Mitchels
3) Ger Cafferkey - Ballina Stephenites
4) Kevin Keane - Westport
5) Lee Keegan - Westport
6) Donal Vaughan - Ballinrobe
7) Colm Boyle - Davitts
8) Tom Parsons - Charlestown Sarsfields
9) Seamus O'Shea - Breaffy
10) Keith Higgins - Ballyhaunis
11) Andy Moran - Ballaghaderreen (Capt.)
12) Jason Doherty - Burrishoole
13) Kevin McLoughlin - Knockmore
14) Alan Freeman - Aghamore
15) Cillian O'Connor - Ballintubber
James Horan - Manager
Tom Prendergsat - Selector
Donie Buckley - Selector
Ed Coughlan - Trainer
Sean Moffatt - Doctor
No Mortimers or McDonald. Horan is taking the piss. I'd expect changes before throw-in ;)
Possible scenarios....
Mayo, Dublin and Kerry all win - then Mayo v Dublin in semis (barring Mayo win by 9 pts or more. Win by more than 9 and we play Cork in semis and both these scenarios assume that Dublin win b less than 9)
Mayos and Dublins games draw and Kerry win then Mayo & Dublin miss out
Oh enough, enough ..... i've a headache looking at it
Sligo men and Roscommon men named for MWR(S?). Ye're getting very cosmopolitan in Horan's old age.
The reason there's a face beside Tom Parsons' name is because 8 ) without a space makes the 8) emoticon face on this and most other forums, Joe. Calm yerself!
Quote from: joemamas on April 05, 2014, 12:39:15 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 04, 2014, 11:09:19 PM
Quote from: sheamy on April 04, 2014, 10:23:25 PM
Ah darn, one typo and the game is up.
Do Mayo normally name their team before the game? Just asking.
Usually on the Friday before a Sunday game. Not sure why it isn't out already.
Here it is.
1) Robbie Hennelly - Breaffy
2) Tom Cunniffe - Castlebar Mitchels
3) Ger Cafferkey - Ballina Stephenites
4) Kevin Keane - Westport
5) Lee Keegan - Westport
6) Donal Vaughan - Ballinrobe
7) Colm Boyle - Davitts
8) Tom Parsons - Charlestown Sarsfields
9) Seamus O'Shea - Breaffy
10) Keith Higgins - Ballyhaunis
11) Andy Moran - Ballaghaderreen (Capt.)
12) Jason Doherty - Burrishoole
13) Kevin McLoughlin - Knockmore
14) Alan Freeman - Aghamore
15) Cillian O'Connor - Ballintubber
James Horan - Manager
Tom Prendergsat - Selector
Donie Buckley - Selector
Ed Coughlan - Trainer
Sean Moffatt - Doctor
A bit disrespecful to Tom Parsons no??. As far as I know he is putting the time in like everybody else, in fact I believe he is based in Cardiff, which when then novelty wears off can be a complete ball ache commuting back and forth, never mind impact on career development at work. I really hate that shite, you are entitled to your opinion, but to highlight one player out of 15 in that manner is just wrong.
It may very well turn out that he is not good enough, but prior management did him and others no favors , JOM started him at full forward in an all-ireland Q/final, when he had never even lined out there for his club never mind his county.
Should we not be supporting our team in trying to getting over the finish line.
rant over,
p.s thanks for all you club scores
I hope you're taking the p*ss!!!! 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Will be an interesting midfield, both are serious footballers and would a lot of county teams.
Quote from: joemamas on April 05, 2014, 12:39:15 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 04, 2014, 11:09:19 PM
Quote from: sheamy on April 04, 2014, 10:23:25 PM
Ah darn, one typo and the game is up.
Do Mayo normally name their team before the game? Just asking.
Usually on the Friday before a Sunday game. Not sure why it isn't out already.
Here it is.
1) Robbie Hennelly - Breaffy
2) Tom Cunniffe - Castlebar Mitchels
3) Ger Cafferkey - Ballina Stephenites
4) Kevin Keane - Westport
5) Lee Keegan - Westport
6) Donal Vaughan - Ballinrobe
7) Colm Boyle - Davitts
8) Tom Parsons - Charlestown Sarsfields
9) Seamus O'Shea - Breaffy
10) Keith Higgins - Ballyhaunis
11) Andy Moran - Ballaghaderreen (Capt.)
12) Jason Doherty - Burrishoole
13) Kevin McLoughlin - Knockmore
14) Alan Freeman - Aghamore
15) Cillian O'Connor - Ballintubber
James Horan - Manager
Tom Prendergsat - Selector
Donie Buckley - Selector
Ed Coughlan - Trainer
Sean Moffatt - Doctor
A bit disrespecful to Tom Parsons no??. As far as I know he is putting the time in like everybody else, in fact I believe he is based in Cardiff, which when then novelty wears off can be a complete ball ache commuting back and forth, never mind impact on career development at work. I really hate that shite, you are entitled to your opinion, but to highlight one player out of 15 in that manner is just wrong.
It may very well turn out that he is not good enough, but prior management did him and others no favors , JOM started him at full forward in an all-ireland Q/final, when he had never even lined out there for his club never mind his county.
Should we not be supporting our team in trying to getting over the finish line.
rant over,
p.s thanks for all you club scores
Not to up to date on the auld technology there Joe? ;D ;D ;D (the files are in the computer!!!!!)
Just when the Board was beginning to get over Farr's infamous attack on Val Roughneen.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 21, 2013, 10:14:57 AM
Mayo team and subs v Leitrim.
1) Marc Mulligan - Claremorris
2) Eddie Doran - Achill
3) Seamus Cunniffe - Ballaghaderreen
4) David Kenny - Aghamore
5) Ronan Finn - Claremorris
6) Stephen Coen (Captain) - Hollymount/Carramore
7) Michael Hall - Breaffy
8) Val Roughneen - Balla
9) Diarmuid O'Connor - Ballintubber
10) Brian Walsh - Ballintubber
11) Conor Loftus - Crossmolina
12) Cian Hanley - Ballaghaderreen
13) Tommy Conroy - Kiltane
14) Liam Irwin - Breaffy
15) Darragh Doherty - Kilmaine
Quote from: moysider on April 03, 2014, 10:46:51 PM
Quote from: Estimator on April 03, 2014, 10:17:25 PM
1. Eoin McNicholl (Gleann an Iolair)
2. Oisin Duffy (Forghleann)
3. Conor McAtamney (Suaitreach)
4. Karl McKaigue (Leacht Néill)
5. Charlie Kielt (Cill Ria) (C)
6. Mark Craig (Dún Geimhin)
7. Aidan McAlynn (An Lúb)
8. Emmett McGuckin (Machaire Fíolta)
9. Niall Holly (Eoghan Rua)
10. Aaron Devlin (Baile an Doire)
11. Danny Heavron (Machaire Fíolta)
12. Carlus McWilliams (Baile na Scrine)
13. James Kearney (Suaitreach)
14. Declan Mullan (Eoghan Rua)
15. Ciaran McGoldrick (Eoghan Rua)
16. Thomas Mallon (An Lúb)
17. Gerard O'Kane (Gleann an Iolair)
18. Kieran Conway (Baile na Scrine)
19. Paudie McGuigan (Leacht Néill)
20. Emmet Bradley (Gleann)
21. Peter Cassidy (Baile Eachaidh)
22. Aaron Kerrigan (Clóidigh)
23. Neill McNicholl (Gleann an Iolair)
24. Niall McFeely (Fothaír Ghleann)
25. Ryan Bell (Baile an Doire)
26. Anthony O'Neill (An Lúb)
27. Cailean O'Boyle (Leamhaigh)
Huge amount of changes on Derry team. Some regulars not on the panel at all.
Wow. Looks like Derrry are going to keep their powder dry and rest the A team for the semis. Why not? They are already qualified and they get to look at how their back-up perform against a team gunning for the points.
We thought that if we gave you an easy win on Sunday it would save you the normal over analysis of a defeat or a draw on Monday :)
Quote from: Crete Boom on April 05, 2014, 01:48:46 AM
Quote from: joemamas on April 05, 2014, 12:39:15 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 04, 2014, 11:09:19 PM
Quote from: sheamy on April 04, 2014, 10:23:25 PM
Ah darn, one typo and the game is up.
Do Mayo normally name their team before the game? Just asking.
Usually on the Friday before a Sunday game. Not sure why it isn't out already.
Here it is.
1) Robbie Hennelly - Breaffy
2) Tom Cunniffe - Castlebar Mitchels
3) Ger Cafferkey - Ballina Stephenites
4) Kevin Keane - Westport
5) Lee Keegan - Westport
6) Donal Vaughan - Ballinrobe
7) Colm Boyle - Davitts
8) Tom Parsons - Charlestown Sarsfields
9) Seamus O'Shea - Breaffy
10) Keith Higgins - Ballyhaunis
11) Andy Moran - Ballaghaderreen (Capt.)
12) Jason Doherty - Burrishoole
13) Kevin McLoughlin - Knockmore
14) Alan Freeman - Aghamore
15) Cillian O'Connor - Ballintubber
James Horan - Manager
Tom Prendergsat - Selector
Donie Buckley - Selector
Ed Coughlan - Trainer
Sean Moffatt - Doctor
A bit disrespecful to Tom Parsons no??. As far as I know he is putting the time in like everybody else, in fact I believe he is based in Cardiff, which when then novelty wears off can be a complete ball ache commuting back and forth, never mind impact on career development at work. I really hate that shite, you are entitled to your opinion, but to highlight one player out of 15 in that manner is just wrong.
It may very well turn out that he is not good enough, but prior management did him and others no favors , JOM started him at full forward in an all-ireland Q/final, when he had never even lined out there for his club never mind his county.
Should we not be supporting our team in trying to getting over the finish line.
rant over,
p.s thanks for all you club scores
Not to up to date on the auld technology there Joe? ;D ;D ;D (the files are in the computer!!!!!)
Farrandeelin,
I apologize, Technologically challenged. took down original post.
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Ah darn, one typo and the game is up.
Do Mayo normally name their team before the game? Just asking.
Usually on the Friday before a Sunday game. Not sure why it isn't out already.
Here it is.
1) Robbie Hennelly - Breaffy
2) Tom Cunniffe - Castlebar Mitchels
3) Ger Cafferkey - Ballina Stephenites
4) Kevin Keane - Westport
5) Lee Keegan - Westport
6) Donal Vaughan - Ballinrobe
7) Colm Boyle - Davitts
8) Tom Parsons - Charlestown Sarsfields
9) Seamus O'Shea - Breaffy
10) Keith Higgins - Ballyhaunis
11) Andy Moran - Ballaghaderreen (Capt.)
12) Jason Doherty - Burrishoole
13) Kevin McLoughlin - Knockmore
14) Alan Freeman - Aghamore
15) Cillian O'Connor - Ballintubber
James Horan - Manager
Tom Prendergsat - Selector
Donie Buckley - Selector
Ed Coughlan - Trainer
Sean Moffatt - Doctor
A bit disrespecful to Tom Parsons no??. As far as I know he is putting the time in like everybody else, in fact I believe he is based in Cardiff, which when then novelty wears off can be a complete ball ache commuting back and forth, never mind impact on career development at work. I really hate that shite, you are entitled to your opinion, but to highlight one player out of 15 in that manner is just wrong.
It may very well turn out that he is not good enough, but prior management did him and others no favors , JOM started him at full forward in an all-ireland Q/final, when he had never even lined out there for his club never mind his county.
Should we not be supporting our team in trying to getting over the finish line.
rant over,
p.s thanks for all you club scores
Not to up to date on the auld technology there Joe? ;D ;D ;D (the files are in the computer!!!!!)
Farrandeelin,
I apologize, Technologically challenged. took down original post.
Fair play Joe we all get caught out now and again and Farr being a Knockmore man probably didn't understand a big word like disrespectful so he probably thought it was a compliment anyway. ;D
I like you am happy to see Parsons back and I hope he performs well because I thought he would be another player to add to the list of unfulfilled under age talent!!!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 04, 2014, 10:57:09 PM
Wheres the best bars in castlebar to catch a few drinks before the game lads?
Mick Byrnes, John McHales (Jonnys is how its known), Coady's, Rockies, McCarthys would all be grand spots.
I think I'll leave it to other people to announce the teams on here! :D
Quote from: maigheo on April 04, 2014, 02:37:51 AM
I assume you are talking about Aiden Henry ,Iolar.That is one paper I hope to never read again in my lifetime after the hatchet job they done on Horan last september
You mustm t be the only one who decided to boycott the Connaught Telegraph because I just heard it s gone into recievership :o
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Quote from: maigheo on April 04, 2014, 02:37:51 AM
I assume you are talking about Aiden Henry ,Iolar.That is one paper I hope to never read again in my lifetime after the hatchet job they done on Horan last september
You mustm t be the only one who decided to boycott the Connaught Telegraph because I just heard it s gone into recievership :o
Sad really, considering it helped launch the Land League.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 04, 2014, 10:57:09 PM
Wheres the best bars in castlebar to catch a few drinks before the game lads?
Mick Byrnes, John McHales (Jonnys is how its known), Coady's, Rockies, McCarthys would all be grand spots.
Prendergasts ("Rays") on Castle Street, The Harp and Paddy Morans on Rush St.
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Quote from: maigheo on April 04, 2014, 02:37:51 AM
I assume you are talking about Aiden Henry ,Iolar.That is one paper I hope to never read again in my lifetime after the hatchet job they done on Horan last september
You mustm t be the only one who decided to boycott the Connaught Telegraph because I just heard it s gone into recievership :o
I hadn't heard that. It's a terrible pity. I hope they can save the paper. The Western is owned by Examiner Group, and the Mayo News by the Indo, I believe. Hard for the Telegraph is hold its own in a small and shrinking market against that sort of financial clout.
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Quote from: maigheo on April 04, 2014, 02:37:51 AM
I assume you are talking about Aiden Henry ,Iolar.That is one paper I hope to never read again in my lifetime after the hatchet job they done on Horan last september
You mustm t be the only one who decided to boycott the Connaught Telegraph because I just heard it s gone into recievership :o
I hadn't heard that. It's a terrible pity. I hope they can save the paper. The Western is owned by Examiner Group, and the Mayo News by the Indo, I believe. Hard for the Telegraph is hold its own in a small and shrinking market against that sort of financial clout.
Have not bought the Connacht in about 4 and a half years. I used to buy it every week, but found it had gotten really lazy and things you would get away with before the Information technology era don't cut anymore. The Western People has upped the play being on sale on Monday morning and the production of the Mayo News has been superior for years at this stage. The emergence of the Mayo Advertiser as well could not have helped in regards revenue from ads.
Billy Fitz not a happy camper on Madwest with Mayos first half display even tho Mayo are winning by 0.08 to 0.01 and playing against a gale.Go figure
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 05, 2014, 08:57:51 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on April 05, 2014, 07:03:29 PM
Quote from: moysider on April 05, 2014, 01:33:16 PM
Quote from: maigheo on April 04, 2014, 02:37:51 AM
I assume you are talking about Aiden Henry ,Iolar.That is one paper I hope to never read again in my lifetime after the hatchet job they done on Horan last september
You mustm t be the only one who decided to boycott the Connaught Telegraph because I just heard it s gone into recievership :o
I hadn't heard that. It's a terrible pity. I hope they can save the paper. The Western is owned by Examiner Group, and the Mayo News by the Indo, I believe. Hard for the Telegraph is hold its own in a small and shrinking market against that sort of financial clout.
Have not bought the Connacht in about 4 and a half years. I used to buy it every week, but found it had gotten really lazy and things you would get away with before the Information technology era don't cut anymore. The Western People has upped the play being on sale on Monday morning and the production of the Mayo News has been superior for years at this stage. The emergence of the Mayo Advertiser as well could not have helped in regards revenue from ads.
I used to be a regular Connaught Telegraph reader (being Castlebar based) but switched to the Mayonews a few years back, I have to admit the Westport based Mayo News is a high quality product.
Shame as the Telegraph is the oldest surviving local paper in Ireland. Est. 1828, but it is linked to older papers as far back as start of 1800's.
Mayo learned nothing other than they are back in the league semi finals again.
Quote from: maigheo on April 06, 2014, 03:43:19 PM
Billy Fitz not a happy camper on Madwest with Mayos first half display even tho Mayo are winning by 0.08 to 0.01 and playing against a gale.Go figure
Enjoyed the commentary on Midwest. He didn't have a great day alright, giving out all over the show.
Roll on the semi finals
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 06, 2014, 05:30:10 PM
Mayo learned nothing other than they are back in the league semi finals again.
Not so sure about learning nothing Farr. We learned that we don't seem to want to put teams away. Our forward line was not existent bar Freeman. Parsons looks a good option, but at time you could see he's not training with these guys the options he took. Good to see Moran and Feeney get time. Feeney had another rush of blood and lucky to get a yellow instead of a black. Emmett McGuckin was eminence today. What a target man! He went like a knife through butter through our back line. I thought Keane had a great game. With all this I still take into account the opposition.
All said we have an awful lot of players of the same level especially in the forwards. All are decent, but none are consistently good never mind outstanding. Most of the areas we are above average in we seem to have strengthened in. Which ain't bad as you always need backup, but it would have been great to have nabbed one new decent(ish) forward. Which remind me what's the story with Gallagher?
The good thing about today is Derry will have learned little as there was so much chopping/changing and second gear performances from Mayo (it's hard to know how bad we are!). Anyway we have another day in headquarters (I think) and another chance to further familiarise ourselves with the hallowed turf.
When Derry named for their team for today, it actually created an issue for Horan; to get the win without showing too much of his hand to McIver. There was no other reason behind the Derry selection other than resting most of their first 15 and keeping their powder dry. I would reckon that McIver hoped to see near our first choice 15 today given our need to win the game, but in fairness to Horan I'm glad he made the changes he did before throw in. It meant that he rested McLoughlin, Keegan, Gibbons and AOS, 4 very important players and in the case of the first 3, our best players of the league so far (also I think that it was no bad thing that those guys got a weekend off, they've played a lot of football over the last 14 months). Also it meant that McIver couldn't see these guys up close. Still probably could have won more comfortably than we did, sounded like a lot of guys never really got themselves going. But given both line ups the game was always going to be difficult one to ignite. Gonna make for an interesting next day out!
They were saying on Midwest that Adam G wasn't on the 26 at all despite being originally named - anyone know why??
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Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 06, 2014, 05:30:10 PM
Mayo learned nothing other than they are back in the league semi finals again.
Not so sure about learning nothing Farr. We learned that we don't seem to want to put teams away. Our forward line was not existent bar Freeman. Parsons looks a good option, but at time you could see he's not training with these guys the options he took. Good to see Moran and Feeney get time. Feeney had another rush of blood and lucky to get a yellow instead of a black. Emmett McGuckin was eminence today. What a target man! He went like a knife through butter through our back line. I thought Keane had a great game. With all this I still take into account the opposition.
All said we have an awful lot of players of the same level especially in the forwards. All are decent, but none are consistently good never mind outstanding. Most of the areas we are above average in we seem to have strengthened in. Which ain't bad as you always need backup, but it would have been great to have nabbed one new decent(ish) forward. Which remind me what's the story with Gallagher?
The good thing about today is Derry will have learned little as there was so much chopping/changing and second gear performances from Mayo (it's hard to know how bad we are!). Anyway we have another day in headquarters (I think) and another chance to further familiarise ourselves with the hallowed turf.
Agree with most of that I think.
I really liked Parsons though. Pure quality even if there were a couple of errors. Fielding, mobility etc. Not many players his size can solo full tilt off either foot. Thought Boyler and Freeman were superb too. Thought Andy had a good game too though I might be in the minority there.
But this game showed how crucial likes of Cillian, AOS, Higggins, Keegan and Kevin Mac are. And more recently Gibbons.
Our forward line ( with the exception of Freeeman and Andy) in second half was very poor and the subs added nothing.
A few random comments....
A big big crowd for a game that was likely to be short odds for a Mayo win. It goes to show the impact of games on TG4, i.e.: if that game was live on TG4 today i'd say there would have been 3K less ... does money from TG4 or wherever it comes from for TV rights make up for this ? I doubt it.
Kevin Keane - credit the guy, he had a good game. However, how would he handle a quick corner forward on a bigger faster pitch. Not too well i fear.
Donie Vaughan ..... i honestly don't know what role he is supposed to be playing but it certainly isn't centre back. Its almost as if he has a free role and we don't bother with a centre back. In both of our last 2 games, the vast majority of opponents scores came from playing the ball up through the centre rather than the wings and yet i can't think of a single time where Vaughan 'stopped' the opposition. There was at least a dozen times Colm Boyle done this today - most in the No. 6 general area rather than on the wing. So why none from Vaughan? Instead, he has treated us to 3 scores from 8 shots from play in the last 2 games. Shane McHale would be a more effective centre back
Parsons ... his first 35 minutes confirmed he can be there or thereabouts for a starting slot come championship - not neceassirly in midfield though.
Andy Moran ..... i can see why people are saying he played well - 2 reasons: he gathered a lot of breaking ball (much more so in the first half when Derry were pathetic) and he was on the ball a lot. However, when he is on the ball he just does everything so slowly and my fear is that - no more than setting the tone of trying to play out the clock against Dublin - his demanding the ball and slow use of it will dictate (to our detriment) overall how the forward line plays. Its ok allowing play to be dictated to a degree by a 'ball-demanding' quarterback type No. 11 a la Ciaran McDonald; but good and all as Andy is he is not a Ciaran Mc
Freeman ..... what a difference playing the ball a bit longer when kicking it into him actually makes. Last week ball after ball didn't stick cos it didn't hang or was just too short. The right ball into him will end up as half a goal chance 3 out of every 4 times against all full backs i have seen this year (including Ross O'C).
When it comes to goals scored in this year's National League, Mayo and Tipperary were joint top scorers with 14 goals each. When it comes to goals conceded, the worst defence in the country was Mayo who conceded 14 goals, an average of 2 per game.. Do any of the Mayo supporters on this board have any theories on why so many goals were conceded?
Quote from: Shrewdness on April 07, 2014, 12:47:07 PM
When it comes to goals scored in this year's National League, Mayo and Tipperary were joint top scorers with 14 goals each. When it comes to goals conceded, the worst defence in the country was Mayo who conceded 14 goals, an average of 2 per game.. Do any of the Mayo supporters on this board have any theories on why so many goals were conceded?
I would speculate that it would appear we have been the slowest to adapt to the black card. Last year, our defence was being regarded as one of the best in the country, I think our concession rate was pretty low. Our defence last year was based on pressing higher up the the field, with an emphasis on 2-3 players closing down the opposition ball carrier and turning over the ball. I would guess that with the black card our guys are standing off the opposition more than they would've done, which means the opposition are getting into our 40 more often and getting more chances. The black card has had an impact, the score lines across this years leagues reflect that. Why we seem to be more affected than others, as I said the above is only my opinion.
Bucko, that was why i asked the question re the goals conceded, because i knew that Mayo were solid defensively last year. Was wondering about conceding so many in the league. Mind you, someone made a point elsewhere that Vaughan wasn't doing much defending in his own position. Don't know if that's accurate or not. Does anyone know how many black cards Mayo defenders received in the league?
Off the top of my head Boyle v Dublin the only one?
Confirmed for 1400 next Sunday.
Hard to see past a resounding win for Derry
Quote from: macdanger2 on April 07, 2014, 02:45:19 PM
Confirmed for 1400 next Sunday.
Hard to see past a resounding win for Derry
Why so pessimistic?
It's easy to see why. They've set the league alight this year. Mayo are there, huffing and puffing our way through our games letting in too many goals. As blast said Andy Moran while getting on a lot of ball seemed to be really slow when releasing it. However, we were without our four 'star' players in Gibbons, AOS, McLoughlin, and Keegan for the game so I'm not as pessimistic as usual. Will COC be ok again I wonder? Any updates on his injury?
I thought that Caff struggled in the second half when his man (forget his name off hand) won too much ball. Cunniffe and Keane did well though for the most part. I hope we can win it, but them games where shadow boxing have gone on a week or two before could lead to complacency. I doubt Horan will allow this to happen though.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 07, 2014, 04:06:04 PM
It's easy to see why. They've set the league alight this year. Mayo are there, huffing and puffing our way through our games letting in too many goals. As blast said Andy Moran while getting on a lot of ball seemed to be really slow when releasing it. However, we were without our four 'star' players in Gibbons, AOS, McLoughlin, and Keegan for the game so I'm not as pessimistic as usual. Will COC be ok again I wonder? Any updates on his injury?
I thought that Caff struggled in the second half when his man (forget his name off hand) won too much ball. Cunniffe and Keane did well though for the most part. I hope we can win it, but them games where shadow boxing have gone on a week or two before could lead to complacency. I doubt Horan will allow this to happen though.
Cillian's injury was a 'muscle spasm' according to Horan and he expects him to be fine for Sunday.
He didn't seem to be in too much discomfort walking off the pitch (the long way around!), so hopefully will be fine.
Quote from: moysider on April 07, 2014, 02:12:17 PM
Off the top of my head Boyle v Dublin the only one?
Aidan O'se v Kildare as well.
Quote from: macdanger2 on April 07, 2014, 02:45:19 PM
Confirmed for 1400 next Sunday.
Hard to see past a resounding win for Derry
Ah, I don't know. The league is a strange animal and Derry are still not recognised as being among the stronger counties (yet!). With us it it is hard to know what direction we are going in. I fear that burn out and championship fatigue could set in this summer.
Quote from: moysider on April 07, 2014, 03:37:00 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on April 07, 2014, 02:45:19 PM
Confirmed for 1400 next Sunday.
Hard to see past a resounding win for Derry
Why so pessimistic?
No forwards, chokers, any cliche you'd find in a Eugene mcgee article ;)
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Quote from: moysider on April 07, 2014, 03:37:00 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on April 07, 2014, 02:45:19 PM
Confirmed for 1400 next Sunday.
Hard to see past a resounding win for Derry
Why so pessimistic?
No forwards, chokers, any cliche you'd find in a Eugene mcgee article ;)
Ah, sure Eugene said last week that it was our chance to finally beat Dublin in Headquarters. Guess he's not counting 2012? He's some man our Eugene.
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Quote from: moysider on April 07, 2014, 02:12:17 PM
Off the top of my head Boyle v Dublin the only one?
Aidan O'se v Kildare as well.
Quote from: macdanger2 on April 07, 2014, 02:45:19 PM
Confirmed for 1400 next Sunday.
Hard to see past a resounding win for Derry
Ah, I don't know. The league is a strange animal and Derry are still not recognised as being among the stronger counties (yet!). With us it it is hard to know what direction we are going in. I fear that burn out and championship fatigue could set in this summer.
This is bonus territory now anyway and if we do manage to win the tin pot we ll have to do it off peak which wouldn t be a bad indication at all. I hope I m right Bunker but I see no signs of fatigue being a factor later in the Summer. In fact likes of Andy and Kevin Mac (who has some injury or another I hear) have looked better already than at any stage last year. But a bit of freshening up might help as well but there s little enough fresh to come in. Gibbons adds a bit of freshness and I hope we persists with Parsons too.
I d start the semi with Gibbons and Parsons at 8 and 9 and Aidan at 11. Parsons unlikely to get the full game but lots of muscle in Seamie and Barry to come in or readjust with Aidan. I d flank Aidan with Keith and Kevin if he s fit. With Cillian, Freeman and Andy the other forwards.
Any word on Dillon? Gallagher?
Not as worried about burn out as much as lack of depth and quality in the forwards. Without the likes of McLoughlin and Cillian our forwards wouldn t cut it in division 3. Freeman got flak from some for his performance in CP but he has been our second most impressive forward. Yet the doubt remains that we will not be able to get him on the ball in the really big games.
Not too worried about our defense. Mostly easily enough sorted. A bit worried about the keeper. His kickouts last day with the wind were poor. He s also been poor for 3 goals during the league. Still, it looks like he s going to have the most secure position on the team.
Interesting that Parsons was moved to wing forward when Barry Moran came on on Sunday although with no great success - Could he do a job there??
Quote from: macdanger2 on April 07, 2014, 10:32:58 PM
Interesting that Parsons was moved to wing forward when Barry Moran came on on Sunday although with no great success - Could he do a job there??
No. Is the short answer. His shot selection the last day was poor.
Quote from: moysider on April 07, 2014, 10:04:53 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 07, 2014, 06:58:44 PM
Quote from: moysider on April 07, 2014, 02:12:17 PM
Off the top of my head Boyle v Dublin the only one?
Aidan O'se v Kildare as well.
Quote from: macdanger2 on April 07, 2014, 02:45:19 PM
Confirmed for 1400 next Sunday.
Hard to see past a resounding win for Derry
Ah, I don't know. The league is a strange animal and Derry are still not recognised as being among the stronger counties (yet!). With us it it is hard to know what direction we are going in. I fear that burn out and championship fatigue could set in this summer.
This is bonus territory now anyway and if we do manage to win the tin pot we ll have to do it off peak which wouldn t be a bad indication at all. I hope I m right Bunker but I see no signs of fatigue being a factor later in the Summer. In fact likes of Andy and Kevin Mac (who has some injury or another I hear) have looked better already than at any stage last year. But a bit of freshening up might help as well but there s little enough fresh to come in. Gibbons adds a bit of freshness and I hope we persists with Parsons too.
I d start the semi with Gibbons and Parsons at 8 and 9 and Aidan at 11. Parsons unlikely to get the full game but lots of muscle in Seamie and Barry to come in or readjust with Aidan. I d flank Aidan with Keith and Kevin if he s fit. With Cillian, Freeman and Andy the other forwards.
Any word on Dillon? Gallagher?
Not as worried about burn out as much as lack of depth and quality in the forwards. Without the likes of McLoughlin and Cillian our forwards wouldn t cut it in division 3. Freeman got flak from some for his performance in CP but he has been our second most impressive forward. Yet the doubt remains that we will not be able to get him on the ball in the really big games.
Not too worried about our defense. Mostly easily enough sorted. A bit worried about the keeper. His kickouts last day with the wind were poor. He s also been poor for 3 goals during the league. Still, it looks like he s going to have the most secure position on the team.
A level of burn out just has to be there. We are into year 4 with this group. One AI Semi final loss in 2011 and two AI final losses in 2012 and 2013. Coupled with League semi final losses in 2013 and final loss in 2012. We've had no short year since Horan took over in 2011 and allot of Big (AI's) and small (League final) disappointments. That's allot of disappointment and each with each one it becomes harder to come back and maintain the drive and belief. I don't doubt our confidence in Connacht. But if we meet a really hungry team in Croker, I think we will be turned over. I'm not writing this group off. Far from it. But I just feel the hill has gotten a little higher to climb from 2012 and especially from 2013 in which we had one of our best championship ever (and i don't say that lightly). Should we beat Derry and get to another final and (god forsake us) lose. Then, how do we go about business in the summer? I know it's a minor competition, but it's another disappointment and like the fans, the players are only human and it has to eek into their well being, drive and confidence? Hope I'm (really, really) wrong.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 07, 2014, 11:09:03 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on April 07, 2014, 10:32:58 PM
Interesting that Parsons was moved to wing forward when Barry Moran came on on Sunday although with no great success - Could he do a job there??
No. Is the short answer. His shot selection the last day was poor.
Quote from: moysider on April 07, 2014, 10:04:53 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 07, 2014, 06:58:44 PM
Quote from: moysider on April 07, 2014, 02:12:17 PM
Off the top of my head Boyle v Dublin the only one?
Aidan O'se v Kildare as well.
Quote from: macdanger2 on April 07, 2014, 02:45:19 PM
Confirmed for 1400 next Sunday.
Hard to see past a resounding win for Derry
Ah, I don't know. The league is a strange animal and Derry are still not recognised as being among the stronger counties (yet!). With us it it is hard to know what direction we are going in. I fear that burn out and championship fatigue could set in this summer.
This is bonus territory now anyway and if we do manage to win the tin pot we ll have to do it off peak which wouldn t be a bad indication at all. I hope I m right Bunker but I see no signs of fatigue being a factor later in the Summer. In fact likes of Andy and Kevin Mac (who has some injury or another I hear) have looked better already than at any stage last year. But a bit of freshening up might help as well but there s little enough fresh to come in. Gibbons adds a bit of freshness and I hope we persists with Parsons too.
I d start the semi with Gibbons and Parsons at 8 and 9 and Aidan at 11. Parsons unlikely to get the full game but lots of muscle in Seamie and Barry to come in or readjust with Aidan. I d flank Aidan with Keith and Kevin if he s fit. With Cillian, Freeman and Andy the other forwards.
Any word on Dillon? Gallagher?
Not as worried about burn out as much as lack of depth and quality in the forwards. Without the likes of McLoughlin and Cillian our forwards wouldn t cut it in division 3. Freeman got flak from some for his performance in CP but he has been our second most impressive forward. Yet the doubt remains that we will not be able to get him on the ball in the really big games.
Not too worried about our defense. Mostly easily enough sorted. A bit worried about the keeper. His kickouts last day with the wind were poor. He s also been poor for 3 goals during the league. Still, it looks like he s going to have the most secure position on the team.
A level of burn out just has to be there. We are into year 4 with this group. One AI Semi final loss in 2011 and two AI final losses in 2012 and 2013. Coupled with League semi final losses in 2013 and final loss in 2012. We've had no short year since Horan took over in 2011 and allot of Big (AI's) and small (League final) disappointments. That's allot of disappointment and each with each one it becomes harder to come back and maintain the drive and belief. I don't doubt our confidence in Connacht. But if we meet a really hungry team in Croker, I think we will be turned over. I'm not writing this group off. Far from it. But I just feel the hill has gotten a little higher to climb from 2012 and especially from 2013 in which we had one of our best championship ever (and i don't say that lightly). Should we beat Derry and get to another final and (god forsake us) lose. Then, how do we go about business in the summer? I know it's a minor competition, but it's another disappointment and like the fans, the players are only human and it has to eek into their well being, drive and confidence? Hope I'm (really, really) wrong.
Correct. Parson s was moved to the wing to get Barry on and SOS on the field at the same time. It s tempting to try and play all these midfielders at the same time but it won't work. Aidan might be a different stroke in the forwards but the others I dont think so.
I take your point about burn out but I think these guys are on a different level and we re probably still well short of what the better teams can do fitness wise. Not sure disappointment is as big a factor either.
We re in a league semi against the head. Not winning it is not going to be a big issue. Can t see a big rush for this double header next Sunday. 2 of the worst supported top teams involved. And then you have Cork V Dublin ;)
Any news on a Mayo first 15 for Sunday?
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 07, 2014, 11:09:03 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on April 07, 2014, 10:32:58 PM
Interesting that Parsons was moved to wing forward when Barry Moran came on on Sunday although with no great success - Could he do a job there??
No. Is the short answer. His shot selection the last day was poor.
That's true but our other options there are hardly free-scoring, Carolan, Doc, Higgins, Feeney.....
What's the story with Dillon?? Is he still injured or back in training??
Quote from: macdanger2 on April 10, 2014, 10:04:39 AM
What's the story with Dillon?? Is he still injured or back in training??
From what i hear he is getting himself right. Good man to have. But like Andy hard to know with another year on the clock how he'd survive in the modern fast pace game.
Yeah, but might be handy to have coming off the bench to steady the ship when we're 8 points up against Dublin in the AIF ;D
I know I'll be shot down for it but I can see Derry beating us. I mean, it's not as if we made wholesale changes the way Derry did last Sunday and even at that we were unconvincing. However, on the flip side, those who were out would make a lot of good county teams, so hopefully they'll come in, in tip top form and do the business on Sunday. Hopefully the latter scenario will prevail.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 10, 2014, 04:45:05 PM
I know I'll be shot down for it but I can see Derry beating us. I mean, it's not as if we made wholesale changes the way Derry did last Sunday and even at that we were unconvincing. However, on the flip side, those who were out would make a lot of good county teams, so hopefully they'll come in, in tip top form and do the business on Sunday. Hopefully the latter scenario will prevail.
I'd be shocked if you were over-confident! ;D
If we win this the final would be only days before we fly to The Big Apple.
Better off giving Hoof Hearted and the boys a day out against the Dubs.
Derry team to play Mayo in the Allianz NFL semi-final at Croke Park on Sunday (2pm) is as follows:
1. Thomas Mallon (An Lúb)
2. Oisín Duffy (Forghleann)
3. Chrissy McKaigue (Leacht Néill)
4. Dermot McBride (Baile na Scrine)
5. Kevin Johnson (Dún Geimhin)
6. Gerard O'Kane (Gleann an Iolair)
7. Sean Leo McGoldrick (Eoghan Rua)
8. Fergal Doherty (Baile Eachaidh)
9. Patsy Bradley (Leacht Néill)
10. Ciarán McFaul (Gleann)
11. Mark Lynch (Beannchar) (C)
12. Enda Lynn (Grainlocha)
13. Benny Heron (Baile na Scrine)
14. Emmett McGuckin (Machaire Fíolta)
15. Cailean O'Boyle (Leamhaigh)
16. Eoin McNicholl (Gleann an Iolair)
17. Conor McAtamney (Suaitreach)
18. Karl McKaigue (Leacht Néill)
19. Charlie Kielt (Cill Ria)
20. Aidan McAlynn (An Lúb)
21. Mark Craig (Dún Geimhin)
22. Niall Holly (Eoghan Rua)
23. Aaron Devlin (Baile an Doire)
24. Danny Heavron (Machaire Fíolta)
25. Carlus McWilliams (Baile na Scrine)
26. Ciarán McGoldrick (Eoghan Rua)
27. Aaron Kerrigan (Clóidigh)
28. Declan Mullan (Eoghan Rua)
29. James Kearney (Suaitreach)
30. Emmet Bradley (Gleann)
Quote from: muppet on April 10, 2014, 05:18:36 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 10, 2014, 04:45:05 PM
I know I'll be shot down for it but I can see Derry beating us. I mean, it's not as if we made wholesale changes the way Derry did last Sunday and even at that we were unconvincing. However, on the flip side, those who were out would make a lot of good county teams, so hopefully they'll come in, in tip top form and do the business on Sunday. Hopefully the latter scenario will prevail.
I'd be shocked if you were over-confident! ;D
If we win this the final would be only days before we fly to The Big Apple.
Better off giving Hoof Hearted and the boys a day out against the Dubs.
sure we beat them hoors easy enough already a few weeks back.
Will be interesting to see how yous do against our seniors
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on April 10, 2014, 09:03:56 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 10, 2014, 05:18:36 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 10, 2014, 04:45:05 PM
I know I'll be shot down for it but I can see Derry beating us. I mean, it's not as if we made wholesale changes the way Derry did last Sunday and even at that we were unconvincing. However, on the flip side, those who were out would make a lot of good county teams, so hopefully they'll come in, in tip top form and do the business on Sunday. Hopefully the latter scenario will prevail.
I'd be shocked if you were over-confident! ;D
If we win this the final would be only days before we fly to The Big Apple.
Better off giving Hoof Hearted and the boys a day out against the Dubs.
sure we beat them hoors easy enough already a few weeks back.
Will be interesting to see how yous do against our seniors
That it will, last week was a only a like a back garden kick about!
Quote from: Estimator on April 10, 2014, 08:58:01 PM
Derry team to play Mayo in the Allianz NFL semi-final at Croke Park on Sunday (2pm) is as follows:
1. Thomas Mallon (An Lúb)
2. Oisín Duffy (Forghleann)
3. Chrissy McKaigue (Leacht Néill)
4. Dermot McBride (Baile na Scrine)
5. Kevin Johnson (Dún Geimhin)
6. Gerard O'Kane (Gleann an Iolair)
7. Sean Leo McGoldrick (Eoghan Rua)
8. Fergal Doherty (Baile Eachaidh)
9. Patsy Bradley (Leacht Néill)
10. Ciarán McFaul (Gleann)
11. Mark Lynch (Beannchar) (C)
12. Enda Lynn (Grainlocha)
13. Benny Heron (Baile na Scrine)
14. Emmett McGuckin (Machaire Fíolta)
15. Cailean O'Boyle (Leamhaigh)
16. Eoin McNicholl (Gleann an Iolair)
17. Conor McAtamney (Suaitreach)
18. Karl McKaigue (Leacht Néill)
19. Charlie Kielt (Cill Ria)
20. Aidan McAlynn (An Lúb)
21. Mark Craig (Dún Geimhin)
22. Niall Holly (Eoghan Rua)
23. Aaron Devlin (Baile an Doire)
24. Danny Heavron (Machaire Fíolta)
25. Carlus McWilliams (Baile na Scrine)
26. Ciarán McGoldrick (Eoghan Rua)
27. Aaron Kerrigan (Clóidigh)
28. Declan Mullan (Eoghan Rua)
29. James Kearney (Suaitreach)
30. Emmet Bradley (Gleann)
James Kielt injured?
Came on as sub against Kildare only to go off injured after 10 mins.
That be us 5 off full first 30, kielt, bell, mcginless, mccloskey and possible bradley, so 3 or 4 starters off full strength for the year, though 2 of them are our best forwards
Who are the 2 best forwards? What's our championship team then weasel in your opinion?
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Interesting that Parsons was moved to wing forward when Barry Moran came on on Sunday although with no great success - Could he do a job there??
No. Is the short answer. His shot selection the last day was poor.
That's true but our other options there are hardly free-scoring, Carolan, Doc, Higgins, Feeney.....
Carolan not an option this year, I'm afraid.
Interesting times for Horan's Mayo. Starting team (well, forward 6) is less settled now than this time last year - I think a 'horses for courses' approach will make us less predictable, I only hope its not our own players who are scratching their heads!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 10, 2014, 11:54:50 PM
That be us 5 off full first 30, kielt, bell, mcginless, mccloskey and possible bradley, so 3 or 4 starters off full strength for the year, though 2 of them are our best forwards
personally I wouldnt dream of changing any of the three listed forwards (13-15) come championship time on current form. Though much can change between now and then.
Any team news??
Horan with no respect for his supporters again. You'll have to take what crumbs fall from the cute hoors table. Dublin and Mayo seem to be the most secretive outfits in the country. Not sure why.
Get off your high horse Sheamy. Anyone who has been at the league matches could pick this team. Barring injuries the backline has one place open, midfield is cast iron and barring injuries the forward line will feature Keith, Andy, Kevin Mc, Freeman, Cillian and Doc. Where is the "no respect". Pot calling kettle.......
Arra don't mind him hardyannual, although maybe they're wondering about Cillian's glutes.
1) Robbie Hennelly - Breaffy
2) Brendan Harrison - Aghamore
3) Ger Cafferkey - Ballina Stephenites
4) Tom Cunniffe - Castlebar Mitchels
5) Lee Keegan - Westport
6) Colm Boyle - Davitts
7) Donal Vaughan - Ballinrobe
8) Aidan O'Shea - Breaffy
9) Jason Gibbons - Ballintubber
10) Keith Higgins - Ballyhaunis
11) Andy Moran - Ballaghaderreen (Capt.)
12) Jason Doherty - Burrishoole
13) Kevin McLoughlin - Knockmore
14) Alan Freeman - Aghamore
15) Mickey Sweeney - Kiltane
well team just named with Harrision back in the corner ,Boyle named at 6 and Mikey Sweeney in for Cillian O Connor
Quote from: Zulu on April 11, 2014, 10:47:56 PM
1) Robbie Hennelly - Breaffy
2) Brendan Harrison - Aghamore
3) Ger Cafferkey - Ballina Stephenites
4) Tom Cunniffe - Castlebar Mitchels
5) Lee Keegan - Westport
6) Colm Boyle - Davitts
7) Donal Vaughan - Ballinrobe
8) Aidan O'Shea - Breaffy
9) Jason Gibbons - Ballintubber
10) Keith Higgins - Ballyhaunis
11) Andy Moran - Ballaghaderreen (Capt.)
12) Jason Doherty - Burrishoole
13) Kevin McLoughlin - Knockmore
14) Alan Freeman - Aghamore
15) Mickey Sweeney - Kiltane
Watch out Zulu, JoeMamas will be after you for disrespecting AOS. ;D
Aside from Barrett coming back that looks pretty much like the Mayo side that will start the championship campaign (in Ireland) unless the other O'Shea or Moran can dislodge Gibbons.
Quote from: Syferus on April 11, 2014, 11:02:10 PM
Aside from Barrett coming back that looks pretty much like the Mayo side that will start the championship campaign (in Ireland) unless the other O'Shea or Moran can dislodge Gibbons.
Cillian O'Connor!?
Quote from: Tubberman on April 11, 2014, 11:03:48 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 11, 2014, 11:02:10 PM
Aside from Barrett coming back that looks pretty much like the Mayo side that will start the championship campaign (in Ireland) unless the other O'Shea or Moran can dislodge Gibbons.
Cillian O'Connor!?
Oh Jesus, I forgot the poor ladeen! Why isn't he starting?
Quote from: Syferus on April 11, 2014, 11:26:03 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on April 11, 2014, 11:03:48 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 11, 2014, 11:02:10 PM
Aside from Barrett coming back that looks pretty much like the Mayo side that will start the championship campaign (in Ireland) unless the other O'Shea or Moran can dislodge Gibbons.
Glute injury.
Predicitive text had changed it to a 'flute injury' which would have made for a more entertaining explanation :-)
Cillian O'Connor!?
Oh Jesus, I forgot the poor ladeen! Why isn't he starting?
Might not line out like that and maybe this gig is not being taken serious - I m not taking it seriously.
Backs are ok but the rest does not reflect what has happened in last few games - taking into account injuries as well. Even selecting Kevin Mc at 13 again is poor. Play best playrs where they're most effective ffs.
Quote from: moysider on April 12, 2014, 12:20:55 AM
Might not line out like that and maybe this gig is not being taken serious - I m not taking it seriously.
Backs are ok but the rest does not reflect what has happened in last few games - taking into account injuries as well. Even selecting Kevin Mc at 13 again is poor. Play best playrs where they're most effective ffs.
Not following this Moy, who would you play in the first six forwards that's available from panel?
Adam Gallagher for Andy Moran ? Would you keep going with Sweeney?
Higgans back to his more customary role as a corner back ? I'd go with that one mind.
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Quote from: moysider on April 12, 2014, 12:20:55 AM
Might not line out like that and maybe this gig is not being taken serious - I m not taking it seriously.
Backs are ok but the rest does not reflect what has happened in last few games - taking into account injuries as well. Even selecting Kevin Mc at 13 again is poor. Play best playrs where they're most effective ffs.
Not following this Moy, who would you play in the first six forwards that's available from panel?
Adam Gallagher for Andy Moran ? Would you keep going with Sweeney?
Higgans back to his more customary role as a corner back ? I'd go with that one mind.
Horan, playing silly beggars with that team. Horan wants to win this competition and any competition he wants to win means not showing his hand before the game. Really looking forward to this game. Derry will be well up for it and right now that is what Mayo need going into championship. Hope we get the narrow win i'd be expecting.
McLoughlin at 13 prob means Freeman and Sweeney as a two man full forward line. Andy at 11 would be grand if he stops taking 2 or 3 solos every time he gets the ball while Higgins and Doc will have to contribute more on the scoreboard. Relatively happy with the backs but at this stage I wonder will we manage to keep a clean sheet at all.
Is there a thread for the other game at all?? Should be two good games on Sunday
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 12, 2014, 07:46:48 AM
McLoughlin at 13 prob means Freeman and Sweeney as a two man full forward line. Andy at 11 would be grand if he stops taking 2 or 3 solos every time he gets the ball while Higgins and Doc will have to contribute more on the scoreboard. Relatively happy with the backs but at this stage I wonder will we manage to keep a clean sheet at all.
It would be nice to keep one clean sheet!! I predict a tough dour battle ( well relative to the high scoring we have has so far) with a 1 or 2 point winning margin which I hope is Mayo but I wouldn't be surprised if Derry win.
Really looking forward to getting back down to corker to support the oak leavers again tomorrow. This will be a real indicator as to where we're currently at. I would hope we can go toe to toe with mayo, hopefully Mckaige, the midfield and a few forwards win their personal battles. If we can get our main men on the ball and play OUR game as oppose do stopping mayos I can see us nipping a win. All about building up to the championship now so it's crucial we start to get our starting 15 together and prevent any injuries. I feel young McFaul has made the most progress this year along with Mcguckin so will be very interested in how these 2 do in particular. Hope Duffy can hold his own as well, as he is a useful corner back! Says in the IN we have 9 u21s in our squad, could anyone name these for me. I also seen that we have a number of 18/19 year olds who got a run out last week so we are starting to get a strong, young squad together. Everyone please make an effort to get down to dublin tomorrow to cheer the boys on, Doire abú!!!!
Quote from: quiganmaster on April 12, 2014, 05:45:18 PM
Really looking forward to getting back down to corker to support the oak leavers again tomorrow. This will be a real indicator as to where we're currently at. I would hope we can go toe to toe with mayo, hopefully Mckaige, the midfield and a few forwards win their personal battles. If we can get our main men on the ball and play OUR game as oppose do stopping mayos I can see us nipping a win. All about building up to the championship now so it's crucial we start to get our starting 15 together and prevent any injuries. I feel young McFaul has made the most progress this year along with Mcguckin so will be very interested in how these 2 do in particular. Hope Duffy can hold his own as well, as he is a useful corner back! Says in the IN we have 9 u21s in our squad, could anyone name these for me. I also seen that we have a number of 18/19 year olds who got a run out last week so we are starting to get a strong, young squad together. Everyone please make an effort to get down to dublin tomorrow to cheer the boys on, Doire abú!!!!
Are you from the 'quigan? You appear too nice and positive :)
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 12, 2014, 05:52:29 PM
Quote from: quiganmaster on April 12, 2014, 05:45:18 PM
Really looking forward to getting back down to corker to support the oak leavers again tomorrow. This will be a real indicator as to where we're currently at. I would hope we can go toe to toe with mayo, hopefully Mckaige, the midfield and a few forwards win their personal battles. If we can get our main men on the ball and play OUR game as oppose do stopping mayos I can see us nipping a win. All about building up to the championship now so it's crucial we start to get our starting 15 together and prevent any injuries. I feel young McFaul has made the most progress this year along with Mcguckin so will be very interested in how these 2 do in particular. Hope Duffy can hold his own as well, as he is a useful corner back! Says in the IN we have 9 u21s in our squad, could anyone name these for me. I also seen that we have a number of 18/19 year olds who got a run out last week so we are starting to get a strong, young squad together. Everyone please make an effort to get down to dublin tomorrow to cheer the boys on, Doire abú!!!!
Are you from the 'quigan? You appear too nice and positive :)
Haha we've changed around the lough shore now 8)! What's your views about tomorrow? Are you going down?
Derry were playing division two football last year they have already exceeded expectations by reaching this semi final and are in bonus territory now. Mayo have reached the last two All Ireland finals and will be expecting to reach this league final anything else will be disappointment for them.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 12, 2014, 06:45:04 PM
Derry were playing division two football last year they have already exceeded expectations by reaching this semi final and are in bonus territory now. Mayo have reached the last two All Ireland finals and will be expecting to reach this league final anything else will be disappointment for them.
It's like this entire league campaign has passed you by
Having went to school in Derry I was brought up hating ye lot and went to the "we beat Derry with 13 men" match with two Derry lads. But living in Dublin now combined with her lack of competitiveness in for a long time now, I'm able to support ye again now. Can't make the match but have a sneaky feeling ye will shock Mayo and win. Reading the IN yesterday I read this is the first Derry team in ages with great team spirit and togetherness. I know the Mayo boys will hate me but I think they're looking ahead to the final and the summer whereas Derry know this is their big chance to win a National title and would give them great belief in themselves and their new manager.
A headline in this morning's Sunday Times refers to "Free-Scoring Mayo". Discuss.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on April 13, 2014, 10:28:14 AM
A headline in this morning's Sunday Times refers to "Free-Scoring Mayo". Discuss.
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POS TEAM P W L D F A POINTS
1 CORK 7 5 1 1 142 124 11
2 DERRY 7 4 2 1 134 117 9
3 MAYO 7 4 2 1
148133 9
4 DUBLIN 7 4 2 1 126 118 9
5 TYRONE 7 3 2 2 140 135 8
6 KERRY 7 3 4 0 123 112 6
7 KILDARE 7 2 5 0 137 143 4
8 WESTMEATH 7 0 7 0 87 155 0
</Discussion>
Shane McHale in for Tom Cunniffe.
Mayo starting well and dominating midfield so far. Two good early scores from Freeman and O'Shea.
3-3 after 12 minutes and Derry have settled. Higgins just puts Mayo back in front.
Derry goal, O'Boyle buries it. 1-3 to 0-4 now.
Goal Mayo, Moran. And Fergal Doherty sent off on a second yellow from a frontal shoulder on Aidan O'Shea. Both his yellows were harsh IMO.
1-5 to 1-4 (25 minutes) Mayo lead.
Some decent points here.
Quote from: Zulu on April 13, 2014, 02:25:48 PM
Goal Mayo, Moran. And Fergal Doherty sent off on a second yellow from a frontal shoulder on Aidan O'Shea. Both his yellows were harsh IMO.
1-5 to 1-4 (25 minutes) Mayo lead.
Thought the first was harsh. Probably technically correct though. He was stupid for second. Good refereeing to play advantage first and come back for booking though.
Hughes giving Derry some very soft frees now. Keegan has been just yellowed for something! Derry looking the better team now.
Derry 1-8 Mayo 1-7 coming up to HT.
Quote from: Zulu on April 13, 2014, 02:25:48 PM
Goal Mayo, Moran. And Fergal Doherty sent off on a second yellow from a frontal shoulder on Aidan O'Shea. Both his yellows were harsh IMO.
1-5 to 1-4 (25 minutes) Mayo lead.
Persistent fouling by Mayo taking away from the game. Ref only started to show yellows towards the end of the 1st half - arguably black card offences. Derry are playing the better football.
Quote from: Throw ball on April 13, 2014, 02:36:38 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 13, 2014, 02:25:48 PM
Goal Mayo, Moran. And Fergal Doherty sent off on a second yellow from a frontal shoulder on Aidan O'Shea. Both his yellows were harsh IMO.
1-5 to 1-4 (25 minutes) Mayo lead.
Thought the first was harsh. Probably technically correct though. He was stupid for second. Good refereeing to play advantage first and come back for booking though.
I thought both players were going to shoulder but O'Shea kicked the ball at the last second so I thought Doherty was committed to the shoulder and couldn't pull out when O'Shea kicked. The replay of the first yellow shows it was very soft.
Quote from: babarino on April 13, 2014, 02:39:23 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 13, 2014, 02:25:48 PM
Goal Mayo, Moran. And Fergal Doherty sent off on a second yellow from a frontal shoulder on Aidan O'Shea. Both his yellows were harsh IMO.
1-5 to 1-4 (25 minutes) Mayo lead.
Persistent fouling by Mayo taking away from the game. Ref only started to show yellows towards the end of the 1st half - arguably black card offences. Derry are playing the better football.
I don't think some of them were fouls though. Some of the Derry lads are playing the ref IMO and getting frees where none exist. In saying that Mayo haven't been great when Derry run at them.
Harsh red I thought. The first wasn't a yellow.
Uphill struggle for us now but I'm encouraged with how we performed in the first half. I'm not usually a fan of Lynn's but he's causing the Mayo defence all kind of problems today. I think if we can put up a decent fight this half I'll happy enough.
Mayo doing much better now and they lead 1-11 to 1-9.
THONNNNGGGGGG!!!
OShea is some big blouse...............................went down clutching the face and all to make sure big fergal was rode
Goal Derry, 2-9 to 1-12 now.
Sean Leo is some operator... Also Lynn should run into people and fall down more often!
How's that a foul??? And now a yellow, ammunition to those saying we are taking the physicality out of football. An awful decision.
Hughes is a consistently awful referee. How does he get these games?
Quote from: Zulu on April 13, 2014, 03:15:43 PM
How's that a foul??? And now a yellow, ammunition to those saying we are taking the physicality out of football. An awful decision.
Hughes is a terrible ref! There should have been black cards on both sides yet he's given none. Surely they have a look over the round robin and decide that the refs who actually know the new rules should be refereeing the semis and Finals!
Very proud of how we haven't thrown in the towel here!
He's making some bizarre decisions now. From a non-free Lynch curls over a beauty to level it up.
2-11 to 1-14.
Dont forget horans mistake.....leaves moran on and takes off higgins :-\
Wouldn't say that's a mistake, Higgins has been very poor today.
Quote from: Zulu on April 13, 2014, 02:25:48 PM
Goal Mayo, Moran. And Fergal Doherty sent off on a second yellow from a frontal shoulder on Aidan O'Shea. Both his yellows were harsh IMO.
1-5 to 1-4 (25 minutes) Mayo lead.
Second was a definite yellow.
Superb!!!
Well done to all involved!!!
Quote from: Jinxy on April 13, 2014, 03:29:50 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 13, 2014, 02:25:48 PM
Goal Mayo, Moran. And Fergal Doherty sent off on a second yellow from a frontal shoulder on Aidan O'Shea. Both his yellows were harsh IMO.
1-5 to 1-4 (25 minutes) Mayo lead.
Second was a definite yellow.
Not for me. It was by the book but it wasn't as he didn't line him up for it, instead he was expecting to give and get a shoulder.
Derry 2-15 Mayo 1-15 now with time up. Mayo with a free on the 14 are going for goal and get a point.
FT Derry 2-15 Mayo 1-16
Great display from Derry,. Ref was very poor.
Fantastic performance from Doire!!!
Congrats Derry, Mayo seem to be back to 2011 level.
Better team won - haven't seen Derry look this good in a long time.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 13, 2014, 03:36:34 PM
Congrats Derry, Mayo seem to be back to 2011 level.
Looked more like 2010! Well done Derry! Our race is run this year, i fear!
Great heart shown by the Derry lads who stuck at it to the very end. On the other hand, we couldn't keep up with the pace of the game (like the Dublin match). Tired legs but we didn't look too clever this time last year either so all is not yet lost.
Great win for Derry. Good to see.
On the black cards I feel the referee was right on most occasions. He has to be certain that the player deliberately takes an opponent to ground. With the amount of diving it is hard for the referee to be sure. If in doubt he should not be giving a black card. The black card cannot be issued for any other forms of cynical play even if we want it to. (Except deliberate body check if course).
In relation to free and card given to McKague. I too felt it was very harsh. Hughes seemed to be giving frees and yellows for every challenge near the head. This could be a general policy.
Having watched Hughes referee many matches as a neutral I honestly believe that he is one of the better referees. Having watched a number of games this year I think the problem may be as much to do with the way they are asked to referee. Physicality does seem to be a thing of the past.
Quote from: Zulu on April 13, 2014, 03:34:09 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 13, 2014, 03:29:50 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 13, 2014, 02:25:48 PM
Goal Mayo, Moran. And Fergal Doherty sent off on a second yellow from a frontal shoulder on Aidan O'Shea. Both his yellows were harsh IMO.
1-5 to 1-4 (25 minutes) Mayo lead.
Second was a definite yellow.
Not for me. It was by the book but it wasn't as he didn't line him up for it, instead he was expecting to give and get a shoulder.
Derry 2-15 Mayo 1-15 now with time up. Mayo with a free on the 14 are going for goal and get a point.
FT Derry 2-15 Mayo 1-16
If a fella is in the act of kicking and you hit him shoulder to shoulder, that's fine.
Worst case scenario, he gets a bit winded.
If he's in the act of kicking, and you catch him in the chest, the risk of injuring him is much higher.
His head can snap forward and catch the tacklers shoulder, or he can land heavily causing his head to snap back and impact with the ground.
Well done to Derry fine win with 14 men for all of the second half against the All Ireland finalist. The All Ireland champions getting well beaten at the moment, another hangover year for the defending champions?
Well done Derry..............Cork will be a different beast though
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on April 13, 2014, 04:29:54 PM
Well done Derry..............Cork will be a different beast though
Hold yer horses, there's goals in Dublin yet!
Jesus there's a statement of intent if ever I saw one! Back to back on thr cards I think!!!
Dubs are fairly impressive once they get a head of steam up alright. 2-13 to 0-4 in the 2nd half.
I hope Derry stuff them wankers.
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Great result and some shift from all involved.
Few points I took from the match.
Mayo are a fierce cynical team. Foul after foul. Big Oshea holding the face, all very Tyrone esquire ;-)
Hughs is very inconsistent as a ref.
Our running game was of the highest order when needed going down to 14. In saying that, when we were at 15 with big Emmet and oboyle on the square, the ball wasn't going in quick enough.
McKaigue was brilliant again marshalling the defence
PS. screen, Lynn has been one of our top performers in recent years. Always puts in a huge shift and takes the game to the opposition.
Roll on the final. Great season so far
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 13, 2014, 05:33:25 PM
Dubs are fairly impressive once they get a head of steam up alright. 2-13 to 0-4 in the 2nd half.
The game was just starting to change when Brogan came on but then they took off altogether. I'd be happy if we were competitive in the final.
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Quote from: rosnarun on April 04, 2014, 11:05:53 AM
ill preface this with i know mayo could still lose but it would be embarrassing in the extreme if they did ,
Derry are showing the league no respect whatsoever and its very unfair on the players from counties trying to Qualify when Derry seem to be trying to throw this game.
there should be a 'Bringing the game into disrepute charge ' to Punish this behaviour.
I'm seriously thinking about deliberately missing my 1st league game in about 5 years , So what if mayo win against a team of Derry subs and a loss as i said would be a disaster.
next time you hear about a Derry club or CB whinging about Finance they should be reminded of sunday
shock horror Mayo shit the nest against 14 men in croker!!!
A quote like that leaves yourself as open as Rosnarun for ridicule in a couple of weeks time. Enjoy your victory. It was well deserved. But you have won nothing yet. When you have you can get on you high horse. (But even then there will be some one waiting to knock you off.)
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I looked at the Fergal Doherty shoulder on O Shea, see above. It's always difficult to be certain without slowing down to the second by second play to see what really happened. I think it was shoulder to shoulder. What I can see is that O Shea was definitely not hit on the face, yet he goes down holding his face. It's no wonder Mayo have won nothing if this is this is the caliber of their men. I have u12 girls playing and they are braver.
Quote from: cockahoop on April 13, 2014, 06:58:44 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on April 04, 2014, 11:05:53 AM
ill preface this with i know mayo could still lose but it would be embarrassing in the extreme if they did ,
Derry are showing the league no respect whatsoever and its very unfair on the players from counties trying to Qualify when Derry seem to be trying to throw this game.
there should be a 'Bringing the game into disrepute charge ' to Punish this behaviour.
I'm seriously thinking about deliberately missing my 1st league game in about 5 years , So what if mayo win against a team of Derry subs and a loss as i said would be a disaster.
next time you hear about a Derry club or CB whinging about Finance they should be reminded of sunday
shock horror Mayo shit the nest against 14 men in croker!!!
"S.T.N." what a vile Ulster turn of phrase.
For your information Mayo win the majority of both their Croke Park and Semi matches. But carry on being an ignorant fuckwit spouting fauxisms.
Quote from: currychip on April 13, 2014, 07:10:40 PM
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I looked at the Fergal Doherty shoulder on O Shea, see above. It's always difficult to be certain without slowing down to the second by second play to see what really happened. I think it was shoulder to shoulder. What I can see is that O Shea was definitely not hit on the face, yet he goes down holding his face. It's no wonder Mayo have won nothing if this is this is the caliber of their men. I have u12 girls playing and they are braver.
You sound as classless as your supporters around us in Croker today. Ignorant loudmouths, can ye not just enjoy your win without the nasty shit?
Quote from: currychip on April 13, 2014, 07:10:40 PM
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I looked at the Fergal Doherty shoulder on O Shea, see above. It's always difficult to be certain without slowing down to the second by second play to see what really happened. I think it was shoulder to shoulder. What I can see is that O Shea was definitely not hit on the face, yet he goes down holding his face. It's no wonder Mayo have won nothing if this is this is the caliber of their men. I have u12 girls playing and they are braver.
Hold ones face for protection when falling is instinctive when hit or in a fall. Nothing wrong with Mayomen.
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Quote from: currychip on April 13, 2014, 07:10:40 PM
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I looked at the Fergal Doherty shoulder on O Shea, see above. It's always difficult to be certain without slowing down to the second by second play to see what really happened. I think it was shoulder to shoulder. What I can see is that O Shea was definitely not hit on the face, yet he goes down holding his face. It's no wonder Mayo have won nothing if this is this is the caliber of their men. I have u12 girls playing and they are braver.
You sound as classless as your supporters around us in Croker today. Ignorant loudmouths, can ye not just enjoy your win without the nasty shit?
They are spouting their bile already, lets hope the Dubs put them back in their place.
Quote from: cockahoop on April 13, 2014, 07:21:33 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 13, 2014, 07:10:34 PM
Quote from: cockahoop on April 13, 2014, 06:58:44 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on April 04, 2014, 11:05:53 AM
ill preface this with i know mayo could still lose but it would be embarrassing in the extreme if they did ,
Derry are showing the league no respect whatsoever and its very unfair on the players from counties trying to Qualify when Derry seem to be trying to throw this game.
there should be a 'Bringing the game into disrepute charge ' to Punish this behaviour.
I'm seriously thinking about deliberately missing my 1st league game in about 5 years , So what if mayo win against a team of Derry subs and a loss as i said would be a disaster.
next time you hear about a Derry club or CB whinging about Finance they should be reminded of sunday
shock horror Mayo shit the nest against 14 men in croker!!!
A quote like that leaves yourself as open as Rosnarun for ridicule in a couple of weeks time. Enjoy your victory. It was well deserved. But you have won nothing yet. When you have you can get on you high horse. (But even then there will be some one waiting to knock you off.)
I am very aware of Derry capabilities and at the minute are punching well above there weight but a lot of you Mayo folk have serious disallusions of grandure
A sure we are nothing on the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland City of culture but sure we will be happy being back in Croke Park when it's Summer ;)
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Quote from: From the Bunker on April 13, 2014, 07:10:34 PM
Quote from: cockahoop on April 13, 2014, 06:58:44 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on April 04, 2014, 11:05:53 AM
ill preface this with i know mayo could still lose but it would be embarrassing in the extreme if they did ,
Derry are showing the league no respect whatsoever and its very unfair on the players from counties trying to Qualify when Derry seem to be trying to throw this game.
there should be a 'Bringing the game into disrepute charge ' to Punish this behaviour.
I'm seriously thinking about deliberately missing my 1st league game in about 5 years , So what if mayo win against a team of Derry subs and a loss as i said would be a disaster.
next time you hear about a Derry club or CB whinging about Finance they should be reminded of sunday
shock horror Mayo shit the nest against 14 men in croker!!!
A quote like that leaves yourself as open as Rosnarun for ridicule in a couple of weeks time. Enjoy your victory. It was well deserved. But you have won nothing yet. When you have you can get on you high horse. (But even then there will be some one waiting to knock you off.)
I am very aware of Derry capabilities and at the minute are punching well above there weight but a lot of you Mayo folk have serious disallusions of grandure
From what i see here most Mayo lads have been graceful in defeat. Acknowledging Derry were the better team on the day. Say we STN pays little respect to the endeavours of your team. It's like you are really not acknowledging the achievement of your team today and putting it down to how poor we were.
"They are spouting their bile already, lets hope the Dubs put them back in their place."
Jesus, hold on a minute. Settle down. I am only asking. Was Aidan O Shea hit on the face? I don't think he was. I don't have any delusions of Derry grandeur but I would be embarrassed if a Derry "big man" went down and feigned an injury like that. No need for the nasty replies. Why don't you expect more of your own players? What about a bit of standing tall rather than bitterness against the messenger. Maybe Dublin will stuff Derry but what about gallantry in defeat? We should expect more of our big players, should we not?
Thought Derry's goose was cooked when Mayo went three up in the second half. Goal was conceded at the worst possible time for Mayo as had the game continued in the vein it was going Mayo would have had the five or six point lead that would have meant they were unassailable against 14 men.
It was gritty by Derry but Mayo can't have any excuses, the game was on a plate for them.
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Quote from: currychip on April 13, 2014, 07:10:40 PM
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I looked at the Fergal Doherty shoulder on O Shea, see above. It's always difficult to be certain without slowing down to the second by second play to see what really happened. I think it was shoulder to shoulder. What I can see is that O Shea was definitely not hit on the face, yet he goes down holding his face. It's no wonder Mayo have won nothing if this is this is the caliber of their men. I have u12 girls playing and they are braver.
Hold ones face for protection when falling is instinctive when hit or in a fall. Nothing wrong with Mayomen.
Putting one's hands out to break one's fall is instinctive; holding one's face after landing on the ground is not instinctive.
Quote from: currychip on April 13, 2014, 07:33:40 PM
"They are spouting their bile already, lets hope the Dubs put them back in their place."
Jesus, hold on a minute. Settle down. I am only asking. Was Aidan O Shea hit on the face? I don't think he was. I don't have any delusions of Derry grandeur but I would be embarrassed if a Derry "big man" went down and feigned an injury like that. No need for the nasty replies. Why don't you expect more of your own players? What about a bit of standing tall rather than bitterness against the messenger. Maybe Dublin will stuff Derry but what about gallantry in defeat? We should expect more of our big players, should we not?
We all said well done already then the nomarks turned up as if anybody had ever heard of you lot throwing out the abuse.
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Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 13, 2014, 07:24:39 PM
Quote from: cockahoop on April 13, 2014, 07:21:33 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 13, 2014, 07:10:34 PM
Quote from: cockahoop on April 13, 2014, 06:58:44 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on April 04, 2014, 11:05:53 AM
ill preface this with i know mayo could still lose but it would be embarrassing in the extreme if they did ,
Derry are showing the league no respect whatsoever and its very unfair on the players from counties trying to Qualify when Derry seem to be trying to throw this game.
there should be a 'Bringing the game into disrepute charge ' to Punish this behaviour.
I'm seriously thinking about deliberately missing my 1st league game in about 5 years , So what if mayo win against a team of Derry subs and a loss as i said would be a disaster.
next time you hear about a Derry club or CB whinging about Finance they should be reminded of sunday
shock horror Mayo shit the nest against 14 men in croker!!!
A quote like that leaves yourself as open as Rosnarun for ridicule in a couple of weeks time. Enjoy your victory. It was well deserved. But you have won nothing yet. When you have you can get on you high horse. (But even then there will be some one waiting to knock you off.)
I am very aware of Derry capabilities and at the minute are punching well above there weight but a lot of you Mayo folk have serious disallusions of grandure
A sure we are nothing on the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland City of culture but sure we will be happy being back in Croke Park when it's Summer ;)
Lol good job we aren't depending on the patriots of Mayo to make us part of your great free state!!lol
I'm from a Republic called Ireland. Buy a time machine little boy.
Pardon?
Outstanding win for Derry. Brian Mc Iver is a class act. Derry are flying. Well done.
Derry and Dublin will be interesting.
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I think u should take your own advise as your still stuck in the 50's!!
cockahoop/currychips f**k off back to hoganstand you inbred runt.
Quote from: orangeman on April 13, 2014, 08:04:49 PM
Outstanding win for Derry. Brian Mc Iver is a class act. Derry are flying. Well done.
Derry and Dublin will be interesting.
+1
A lot of nonsense being talked here between both Derry and Mayo posters. Grow up!
A highly entertaining game. I was quietly confident of a Derry victory going into this game as their league form has been excellent. However, I did have concerns that Mayo's experience in HQ would work against us. When Fergal got sent off (for what was an unnecessary hit) I thought Mayo were going to go on and and win comfortably but was pleasantly surprised and impressed with how Derry turned it on. Fantastic performances from Lynch, Sean Leo, McKaigue and well done to Duffy and Johnstone who had solid games. As clichéd as it may sound it is important for the boys to keep the feet on the ground. Derry have got into D1 league finals in recent years but did not perform in championship. Let's hope they improve there game further and match the championship intensity brought by the Dublins, Mayos etc.
Hard luck to Mayo. Still will be in the latter stages of the championship no doubt!
Quote from: tonysoprano on April 13, 2014, 08:23:54 PM
A lot of nonsense being talked here between both Derry and Mayo posters. Grow up!
A highly entertaining game. I was quietly confident of a Derry victory going into this game as their league form has been excellent. However, I did have concerns that Mayo's experience in HQ would work against us. When Fergal got sent off (for what was an unnecessary hit) I thought Mayo were going to go on and and win comfortably but was pleasantly surprised and impressed with how Derry turned it on. Fantastic performances from Lynch, Sean Leo, McKaigue and well done to Duffy and Johnstone who had solid games. As clichéd as it may sound it is important for the boys to keep the feet on the ground. Derry have got into D1 league finals in recent years but did not perform in championship. Let's hope they improve there game further and match the championship intensity brought by the Dublins, Mayos etc.
Hard luck to Mayo. Still will be in the latter stages of the championship no doubt!
No issues with proper Derry fans like yourself.
A few questions for the Mayo posters here. What is the feeling in Mayo with the continued positioning of Keith Higgins in the forwards? I believe he should be put back to corner back. Also, what's the story with Alan Dillon, and where have Adam Gallagher and Evan Regan gone to?
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Quote from: currychip on April 13, 2014, 07:10:40 PM
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I looked at the Fergal Doherty shoulder on O Shea, see above. It's always difficult to be certain without slowing down to the second by second play to see what really happened. I think it was shoulder to shoulder. What I can see is that O Shea was definitely not hit on the face, yet he goes down holding his face. It's no wonder Mayo have won nothing if this is this is the caliber of their men. I have u12 girls playing and they are braver.
Hold ones face for protection when falling is instinctive when hit or in a fall. Nothing wrong with Mayomen.
I figured out how to slow motion the clip-definite clash of heads (or rather Derry head to O Se's face) prior to him hitting the deck
Quote from: Shrewdness on April 13, 2014, 09:18:30 PM
A few questions for the Mayo posters here. What is the feeling in Mayo with the continued positioning of Keith Higgins in the forwards? I believe he should be put back to corner back. Also, what's the story with Alan Dillon, and where have Adam Gallagher and Evan Regan gone to?
You'll get in trouble for that.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 13, 2014, 07:24:39 PM
Quote from: cockahoop on April 13, 2014, 07:21:33 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 13, 2014, 07:10:34 PM
Quote from: cockahoop on April 13, 2014, 06:58:44 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on April 04, 2014, 11:05:53 AM
ill preface this with i know mayo could still lose but it would be embarrassing in the extreme if they did ,
Derry are showing the league no respect whatsoever and its very unfair on the players from counties trying to Qualify when Derry seem to be trying to throw this game.
there should be a 'Bringing the game into disrepute charge ' to Punish this behaviour.
I'm seriously thinking about deliberately missing my 1st league game in about 5 years , So what if mayo win against a team of Derry subs and a loss as i said would be a disaster.
next time you hear about a Derry club or CB whinging about Finance they should be reminded of sunday
shock horror Mayo shit the nest against 14 men in croker!!!
A quote like that leaves yourself as open as Rosnarun for ridicule in a couple of weeks time. Enjoy your victory. It was well deserved. But you have won nothing yet. When you have you can get on you high horse. (But even then there will be some one waiting to knock you off.)
I am very aware of Derry capabilities and at the minute are punching well above there weight but a lot of you Mayo folk have serious disallusions of grandure
A sure we are nothing on the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland City of culture but sure we will be happy being back in Croke Park when it's Summer ;)
Resorting to that old craic is adolescent puerile and let's yourself down.
Do you have to start down that route ?
Quote from: Shrewdness on April 13, 2014, 09:18:30 PM
A few questions for the Mayo posters here. What is the feeling in Mayo with the continued positioning of Keith Higgins in the forwards? I believe he should be put back to corner back. Also, what's the story with Alan Dillon, and where have Adam Gallagher and Evan Regan gone to?
Who would you replace from last year's corner-back starters? Turbo Tom or Barrett?
Evan. I'm sure someone else can explain that one. Suffice to say he isn't likely to be on the panel this year.
Thought Doherty did well today, Gallagher may have to settle for time off the bench this summer going on how he was used today, i.e. not at all.
Doesn't matter who you drop, as there's no point continuing with an experiment that's not working.
Doherty was very poor for most of the game, he didn't do anything at all in the first half.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 13, 2014, 07:17:45 PM
Hold ones face for protection when falling is instinctive when hit or in a fall. Nothing wrong with Mayomen.
Erm, come again?
Great win for Derry today.
Some outstanding individual perf and team perf , organisation , tactics/playing style.
Management have done fantastically.
Still think that e Bradley would augment the side as a supersub
Mayo really should have won as it was on a plate. Their style seems a bit confused. Also not sure if they know what their best starting xv is!
They were a cynical side so the new rules have affected them as it has affected Tyrone and hopefully Donegal too!
My proof is the amount of scores mayo shipped in the league and was the cause of my own optimism this morning.
Derry to my chagrin have been naive and too clean for years- so the new rules won't stunt, but assist us!
Hard luck mayo- had great chats with the mayo, cork and dub fans around. As it should be in Crocker amongst real GAA fans.
Ferg Doherty second yellow correct. First one I thought was harsh, but that's football. Ref was a bit inconsistent to both sides.
Not easy to ref these faster games under new rules.
Spoke with old team mate Sean maher of mayo, Anthony Finnerty and galwayman Tomas tierney who all lamented mayos play but reckoned we are all better off retired as the new rules make football aoat a non contact game by comparison to yesteryear
Dublin will be very hard to beat in the final and I'm not sure we will beat them but we can try.
Donegal await in the long grass the hoors !
Great game from 14 man Derry though!
Quote from: Zulu on April 13, 2014, 09:29:11 PM
Doesn't matter who you drop, as there's no point continuing with an experiment that's not working.
Doherty was very poor for most of the game, he didn't do anything at all in the first half.
A couple balls dropped into the keeper's hands but it seemed like wind was a factor. I don't see many options better than him on the wing, Feeney and Gallagher included. Gallagher is still very young and if you're chasing an AI now I can't see how that tact makes much sense. Always been clear that Doherty is talented. Himself and Freeman had the same inconsistent tags heading into last season until Freeman got a good run and started to get his confidence back. I wouldn't be surprised if the same wasn't true of Doherty.
Thought Sweeney looked good in bursts but unless he's moved out to wing forward (haven't a clue if he's played there for Kiltaine but it's the one open spot he is anyways suited to) I don't see him starting the big games.
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Quote from: cockahoop on April 13, 2014, 07:21:33 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 13, 2014, 07:10:34 PM
Quote from: cockahoop on April 13, 2014, 06:58:44 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on April 04, 2014, 11:05:53 AM
ill preface this with i know mayo could still lose but it would be embarrassing in the extreme if they did ,
Derry are showing the league no respect whatsoever and its very unfair on the players from counties trying to Qualify when Derry seem to be trying to throw this game.
there should be a 'Bringing the game into disrepute charge ' to Punish this behaviour.
I'm seriously thinking about deliberately missing my 1st league game in about 5 years , So what if mayo win against a team of Derry subs and a loss as i said would be a disaster.
next time you hear about a Derry club or CB whinging about Finance they should be reminded of sunday
shock horror Mayo shit the nest against 14 men in croker!!!
A quote like that leaves yourself as open as Rosnarun for ridicule in a couple of weeks time. Enjoy your victory. It was well deserved. But you have won nothing yet. When you have you can get on you high horse. (But even then there will be some one waiting to knock you off.)
I am very aware of Derry capabilities and at the minute are punching well above there weight but a lot of you Mayo folk have serious disallusions of grandure
A sure we are nothing on the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland City of culture but sure we will be happy being back in Croke Park when it's Summer ;)
Resorting to that old craic is adolescent puerile and let's yourself down.
Do you have to start down that route ?
"S.T.N" subhuman comment makes it totally reasonable.
Is Jason Doherty not better corner forward? He was lethal last year with DIT, in the FF line
Ah here lads all I'd say is look at the amount of posts the 2 boyos have ... They're far from your normal Derry poster on here!
Horan is a shrewd boy and no doubt Mayo are looking to peak for championship so I wouldn't think he's too worried about today in the grand scheme of things. What I would worry about is the old Mayo's lack of forwards chestnut. For the last 15 minutes of the 2nd half we conceded possession from your kickouts and turned the ball over from your forwards on more occasions I could count. Freeman being held must also be a worry.
Special mention to our defence who were superb throughout and the foundation for the victory. To a man they were outstanding!
Seriously worried about the next match I thought the Dubs performance today was as good a half of football as I've probably ever seen. How we perform against that will give us an indication of how we will perform against Donegal.
As ever with Derry we are still an unknown quantity. We've won the league too many times only to bow out of the Championship too early so I'llk reserve judgment. Its clear though that we are up there in terms of preparation and tactical abilty so we're going in the right direction. Long may it continue!!
Quote from: rodney trotter on April 13, 2014, 09:43:23 PM
Is Jason Doherty not better corner forward? He was lethal last year with DIT, in the FF line
With COC, Freeman and Horan giving McLoughlin a free role at 13 that isn't really an option.
Horan has very rarely played both Doherty and Freeman in the FF line. He seems to regard them as fulfilling the same role and Doherty isn't going to replace Freeman unless Horan is clinically blind.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 13, 2014, 09:37:32 PM
Great win for Derry today.
Some outstanding individual perf and team perf , organisation , tactics/playing style.
Management have done fantastically.
Still think that e Bradley would augment the side as a supersub
Mayo really should have won as it was on a plate. Their style seems a bit confused. Also not sure if they know what their best starting xv is!
They were a cynical side so the new rules have affected them as it has affected Tyrone and hopefully Donegal too!
My proof is the amount of scores mayo shipped in the league and was the cause of my own optimism this morning.
Derry to my chagrin have been naive and too clean for years- so the new rules won't stunt, but assist us!
Hard luck mayo- had great chats with the mayo, cork and dub fans around. As it should be in Crocker amongst real GAA fans.
Ferg Doherty second yellow correct. First one I thought was harsh, but that's football. Ref was a bit inconsistent to both sides.
Not easy to ref these faster games under new rules.
Spoke with old team mate Sean maher of mayo, Anthony Finnerty and galwayman Tomas tierney who all lamented mayos play but reckoned we are all better off retired as the new rules make football aoat a non contact game by comparison to yesteryear
Dublin will be very hard to beat in the final and I'm not sure we will beat them but we can try.
Donegal await in the long grass the hoors !
Great game from 14 man Derry though!
Today was an embarassing spectacle from a Mayo Pov. Congrats to Derry who have figured out that basketball tactics work best while the Mayo sideline once again are a season behind.
The threat of a black card has turned the game into a cowardly farce. There were no hits, no tackles and other than McMDA, who is exempt, no way our games will allow a tackle of any sort.
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Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 13, 2014, 09:37:32 PM
Great win for Derry today.
Some outstanding individual perf and team perf , organisation , tactics/playing style.
Management have done fantastically.
Still think that e Bradley would augment the side as a supersub
Mayo really should have won as it was on a plate. Their style seems a bit confused. Also not sure if they know what their best starting xv is!
They were a cynical side so the new rules have affected them as it has affected Tyrone and hopefully Donegal too!
My proof is the amount of scores mayo shipped in the league and was the cause of my own optimism this morning.
Derry to my chagrin have been naive and too clean for years- so the new rules won't stunt, but assist us!
Hard luck mayo- had great chats with the mayo, cork and dub fans around. As it should be in Crocker amongst real GAA fans.
Ferg Doherty second yellow correct. First one I thought was harsh, but that's football. Ref was a bit inconsistent to both sides.
Not easy to ref these faster games under new rules.
Spoke with old team mate Sean maher of mayo, Anthony Finnerty and galwayman Tomas tierney who all lamented mayos play but reckoned we are all better off retired as the new rules make football aoat a non contact game by comparison to yesteryear
Dublin will be very hard to beat in the final and I'm not sure we will beat them but we can try.
Donegal await in the long grass the hoors !
Great game from 14 man Derry though!
Today was an embarassing spectacle from a Mayo Pov. Congrats to Derry who have figured out that basketball tactics work best while the Mayo sideline once again are a season behind.
The threat of a black card has turned the game into a cowardly farce. There were no hits, no tackles and other than McMDA, who is exempt, no way our games will allow a tackle of any sort.
I've seen plenty of physical games this year and plenty of top class games as well.
Change is hard, but only on the old-timers.
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Quote from: rosnarun on April 04, 2014, 11:05:53 AM
ill preface this with i know mayo could still lose but it would be embarrassing in the extreme if they did ,
Derry are showing the league no respect whatsoever and its very unfair on the players from counties trying to Qualify when Derry seem to be trying to throw this game.
there should be a 'Bringing the game into disrepute charge ' to Punish this behaviour.
I'm seriously thinking about deliberately missing my 1st league game in about 5 years , So what if mayo win against a team of Derry subs and a loss as i said would be a disaster.
next time you hear about a Derry club or CB whinging about Finance they should be reminded of sunday
shock horror Mayo shit the nest against 14 men in croker!!!
A quote like that leaves yourself as open as Rosnarun for ridicule in a couple of weeks time. Enjoy your victory. It was well deserved. But you have won nothing yet. When you have you can get on you high horse. (But even then there will be some one waiting to knock you off.)
I am very aware of Derry capabilities and at the minute are punching well above there weight but a lot of you Mayo folk have serious disallusions of grandure
A sure we are nothing on the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland City of culture but sure we will be happy being back in Croke Park when it's Summer ;)
Resorting to that old craic is adolescent puerile and let's yourself down.
Do you have to start down that route ?
"S.T.N" subhuman comment makes it totally reasonable.
No
Quote from: Syferus on April 13, 2014, 09:49:26 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on April 13, 2014, 09:43:23 PM
Is Jason Doherty not better corner forward? He was lethal last year with DIT, in the FF line
With COC, Freeman and Horan giving McLoughlin a free role at 13 that isn't really an option.
Horan has very rarely played both Doherty and Freeman in the FF line. He seems to regard them as fulfilling the same role and Doherty isn't going to replace Freeman unless Horan is clinically blind.
I was talking about todays game where COC wasn't playing.. Sweeney did alright , hit a few good scores but made some poor errors too.
Freeman was poor enough bar some free's..
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Quote from: Syferus on April 13, 2014, 09:49:26 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on April 13, 2014, 09:43:23 PM
Is Jason Doherty not better corner forward? He was lethal last year with DIT, in the FF line
With COC, Freeman and Horan giving McLoughlin a free role at 13 that isn't really an option.
Horan has very rarely played both Doherty and Freeman in the FF line. He seems to regard them as fulfilling the same role and Doherty isn't going to replace Freeman unless Horan is clinically blind.
I was talking about todays game where COC wasn't playing.. Sweeney did alright , hit a few good scores but made some poor errors too.
I suppose it would have been worth a go today alright but I think in Horan's mind Freeman and Doherty are two sides of the same coin and is very reluctant to play both up front together.
It's hard to see how Mayo arrange their pieces up front and a significant difference is made, COC excepted. They really have to hope Dillon is back to his best (after so long on the blocks) and/or Doherty, Andy, Feeney or Gallagher make make a step up.
Quote from: muppet on April 13, 2014, 09:49:37 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 13, 2014, 09:37:32 PM
Great win for Derry today.
Some outstanding individual perf and team perf , organisation , tactics/playing style.
Management have done fantastically.
Still think that e Bradley would augment the side as a supersub
Mayo really should have won as it was on a plate. Their style seems a bit confused. Also not sure if they know what their best starting xv is!
They were a cynical side so the new rules have affected them as it has affected Tyrone and hopefully Donegal too!
My proof is the amount of scores mayo shipped in the league and was the cause of my own optimism this morning.
Derry to my chagrin have been naive and too clean for years- so the new rules won't stunt, but assist us!
Hard luck mayo- had great chats with the mayo, cork and dub fans around. As it should be in Crocker amongst real GAA fans.
Ferg Doherty second yellow correct. First one I thought was harsh, but that's football. Ref was a bit inconsistent to both sides.
Not easy to ref these faster games under new rules.
Spoke with old team mate Sean maher of mayo, Anthony Finnerty and galwayman Tomas tierney who all lamented mayos play but reckoned we are all better off retired as the new rules make football aoat a non contact game by comparison to yesteryear
Dublin will be very hard to beat in the final and I'm not sure we will beat them but we can try.
Donegal await in the long grass the hoors !
Great game from 14 man Derry though!
Today was an embarassing spectacle from a Mayo Pov. Congrats to Derry who have figured out that basketball tactics work best while the Mayo sideline once again are a season behind.
The threat of a black card has turned the game into a cowardly farce. There were no hits, no tackles and other than McMDA, who is exempt, no way our games will allow a tackle of any sort.
To be fair to the mayo mgt team, they are obv trying to combat their leaky defence in lieu of the new rules and how they had been prev geared up to defend!
A few times today only the full forward was in the Derry half!
Derry weren't much better - same goes for Dublin and cork.
I did comment during the second game that cork often fall asleep - so their flop is common with them and while Dublin are good, it flattered them a good bit!
It's going to be an interesting championship as teams get to grips with new rules - and it seems that games will be high scoring and exciting!!
Bonus territory for us. But will look forward to another day out in croker!
Lynchbhoy I see Big Mark pulled up a bit at the end after he took the last score. Hope it's nothing to worry about. He'd be some loss. :(
Quote from: Syferus on April 13, 2014, 09:52:16 PM
I've seen plenty of physical games this year and plenty of top class games as well.
Change is hard, but only on the old-timers.
I'm in agreement with Syferus on this one. The main result of the rule-change for me is the elinination of the cynical
drag/block/tackle allowing more free-flowing movement. Some great scoring spectacles have resulted.
Old-timers are able for change now Syf, economic adjustments have taught us a lesson.... ;)
Over confident does tend to come back and bite you on the ass, Derry played well the day as i thought they be on ahiding to nothing with 14 men. As for the Doherty incident, it was a bit hit, and a free but i seen worse in a league game last night where one of our players was put 5 yards over the side line after a fercious hit, wasnt even called a free. Mark Lynch was very strong and coudlnt be held. Dublin might be too strong for them in aleague final but theres alot of young lads there who are still learning.
Absolutely disgusted when I came home and looked at this thread. Brilliant occasion for our county, very proud derry Gael today, but goodness gracious lads, we have own nothing yet. Some stupid comments from derry posters here and ridiculous uncalled for comments from the mayo supporters about politics etc, where does that fit into the GAA ethos? Gracious in victory, gracious in defeat! Derry abú
Syferus, i would play Keith Higgins at left corner back as i believe he's the best corner back in the country. Is this thread turning into Derry and Roscommon people discussing Mayo? I'm still waiting to hear about Dillon, Gallagher and Regan.
We were too pedestrian today. We don't know how to run at defendees at PACE. Conceding far too many goals. Conservative team selection. Jesus I'm gonna stop now because the political jibes from both sets on here want to make me puke.
Quote from: Shrewdness on April 13, 2014, 10:58:17 PM
Syferus, i would play Keith Higgins at left corner back as i believe he's the best corner back in the country. Is this thread turning into Derry and Roscommon people discussing Mayo? I'm still waiting to hear about Dillon, Gallagher and Regan.
Sure Dillon is still recovering from his injuries and Gallagher just isn't starting.
Regan: http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=24437.msg1332690#msg1332690
Quote from: quiganmaster on April 13, 2014, 10:55:57 PM
Absolutely disgusted when I came home and looked at this thread. Brilliant occasion for our county, very proud derry Gael today, but goodness gracious lads, we have own nothing yet. Some stupid comments from derry posters here and ridiculous uncalled for comments from the mayo supporters about politics etc, where does that fit into the GAA ethos? Gracious in victory, gracious in defeat! Derry abú
Well said. Hope you go on to win it now but you won't need reminding that the eye must still remain on the championship.
Funny thing the extra man.....
A young hungry fresh team like Derry find themselves a man down in the dressing room at half time. It leads to them pushing themselves to the limit right across the park - something that was less likely to happen if they did not find themselves a man down. But good luck to them, they are in the final on merit with some serious footballers at their disposal.
Then you have Mayo. Mentally i feel 5 or 6 players were happy enough with the league for the year (probably just at a subconscious level) once Derry named a 2nd string for last round robin match, i.e.: we were safe from relegation. Yes, the collective aim was to win the NFL but the reward and perceived value from winning this wasn't big enough to force the players (or at least the 5 or 6 key players i refer to above) to dig deep enough to win this game - moreso when Derry had a man sent off, i.e.: the reward being merely avoiding the embarrassment of defeat against 14 players.
And you know, i think this is all OK cos any given team in its life will only be able to go to the well so many times and i firmly believe that calling on that today to get the 'reward' of playing in a league final wasn't enough of a motivation for a team on the back of losing 2 All-Ireland finals on the trot..... and had we actually managed to dig deep enough and win today then i believe that would have taken from us later in the summer.
So, onwards and to championship. Plenty to focus on aside from some key players being well off on their conditioning compared to previous years (although that could be mental tiredness)..... e.g.: how to stop leaking goals, sort out who will be our corner backs (Barrett and Cunniffe for me), how to ensure our half back line remain a potent force (Higgins in for Vaughan on the wing), do we take a somewhat radical step and shift Aidan to CF or FF given the relative strength in depth we half in MF, etc. etc
As for the Dubs ..... well talking about an example of a team going deep into the well - Dublin were a classic example of this today. However, i feel all that victory will serve to do for them is to engrain a mindset that its OK to start slowly (they will say the exact opposite in all training and team talks) cos they have the ability to dig deep and pull off a comeback like today cos they know they are just head and shoulders above the rest .... but as i say, a team can only do that a limited number of times and will the fact they have dug deep today come back to haunt them when they can't do it in August or September ?
Two great games today, all four teams featured will be serious contenders for the championship. Either Mayo are tactically naive or they lack the ability to drive at defences with pace as the other three teams did. To often they resorted to close tight handpassing until they were turned over.
Quote from: quiganmaster on April 13, 2014, 10:55:57 PM
Absolutely disgusted when I came home and looked at this thread. Brilliant occasion for our county, very proud derry Gael today, but goodness gracious lads, we have own nothing yet. Some stupid comments from derry posters here and ridiculous uncalled for comments from the mayo supporters about politics etc, where does that fit into the GAA ethos? Gracious in victory, gracious in defeat! Derry abú
QM, there seems to be a couple of rogue agents in this thread. Hopefully the Mayo men know the craic. Got down early, and had great aul chat with a load of Mayo gaels in the college car park and the CP Hotel. we struck it lucky with the weather as well. Giving a good Easter too by all accounts
Quote from: J OGorman on April 14, 2014, 09:09:03 AM
Quote from: quiganmaster on April 13, 2014, 10:55:57 PM
Absolutely disgusted when I came home and looked at this thread. Brilliant occasion for our county, very proud derry Gael today, but goodness gracious lads, we have own nothing yet. Some stupid comments from derry posters here and ridiculous uncalled for comments from the mayo supporters about politics etc, where does that fit into the GAA ethos? Gracious in victory, gracious in defeat! Derry abú
QM, there seems to be a couple of rogue agents in this thread. Hopefully the Mayo men know the craic. Got down early, and had great aul chat with a load of Mayo gaels in the college car park and the CP Hotel. we struck it lucky with the weather as well. Giving a good Easter too by all accounts
If you're from Derry, it's like Christmas !
Quote from: orangeman on April 14, 2014, 09:32:53 AM
Quote from: J OGorman on April 14, 2014, 09:09:03 AM
Quote from: quiganmaster on April 13, 2014, 10:55:57 PM
Absolutely disgusted when I came home and looked at this thread. Brilliant occasion for our county, very proud derry Gael today, but goodness gracious lads, we have own nothing yet. Some stupid comments from derry posters here and ridiculous uncalled for comments from the mayo supporters about politics etc, where does that fit into the GAA ethos? Gracious in victory, gracious in defeat! Derry abú
QM, there seems to be a couple of rogue agents in this thread. Hopefully the Mayo men know the craic. Got down early, and had great aul chat with a load of Mayo gaels in the college car park and the CP Hotel. we struck it lucky with the weather as well. Giving a good Easter too by all accounts
If you're from Derry, it's like Christmas !
I arrived home last night with a lorry drivers tan ffs !
Irish times analysis - Malachy Clerkin.
Derry 2-15 Mayo 1-16
Sometimes there is no deeper meaning. No need to itch and scratch for a significance beyond the very what and how of the day itself. Mayo led this league semi-final with 10 minutes to go and failed to see it out despite having had an extra man for three-quarters of an hour. The rest of the year will bring what it will bring – this was a calamity in and of itself.
Disorganised defence
It doesn't mean they're cursed, it doesn't confirm them as eternal Croke Park washouts. Search too hard for a broader context and you risk overlooking the deed itself. Wasteful in attack, often mystifyingly disorganised in defence, Mayo went down to a Derry side that had access to a shelf stacked with excuses but never reached out a hand to pluck one.
"The longer that game would have gone, Derry would have won by more," said James Horan afterwards. "They were starting to get away from us at the end. It's a very disappointing performance from us and one we're going to have to analyse, the whole lot of us as a group. We weren't good today. We were very flat.
"Our tackling was poor. The second goal we gave away today, at any age group or in any game, you'd be very disappointed with it. But for a goal to go in like that, there's more wrong than just someone missing a tackle. What's that – 15 goals in the league? That's a big problem. But our work-rate was poor and that must mean that our preparation was a bit off because we were very flat. I have to take responsibility for that."
Tackling poor, unable to run through defences as Pangurban pointed out. And we had the extra man! It was terrible to watch and I don't think we're 'learning' from the mistakes at all, as they seem to be made and repeated more often than not this year. I said last night we seemed pedestrian looking, and I think the whole set-up is becoming 'pedestrian' in their outlook. To good effect last year we had men pushing up, closing down the man on the ball etc. I didn't see that yesterday. Nor the day before - when I gave them the benefit of the doubt for playing Derry's 'B' team.
Why was Cafferkey not removed as soon as he went down. He was left on for around 5 minutes afterwards, I think. I don't think the subs were used to great effect either. Higgins was never taken off when he played cornerback. We all know what Varley brings to the table at this stage, why not try Adam Gallagher? See if he has it or not? And bringing Feeney on with the game as good as well over, well it's pretty pointless discussing that substitution. Andy Moran when he let the ball go did a few nice things, but his annoyingly overbearing towards taking 2 or 3 solos out of the ball most of the time he got it was not good to watch.
Freeman hadn't one of his best games, then again the ball wasn't going in quick enough to him. Midfield started well, but lost their way (after Doherty got red). Another annoying day out at the office for Mayo. One where lots will say, 'it'll be grand if we learn'. We aren't learning.
PS, sorry to bore Derry posters to tears with my pessimistic ravings and ramblings about the state of Mayo. Well done to ye. Ye worked harder than Mayo yesterday and deserved to win it.
I wouldn't entirely agree Mayo were unable to run through the Derry defence, Keegan did it on numerous occasions and for much of the game I thought Derry were the more ponderous of the two when attacking. The problem for Mayo is the same problem it has always been, forwards. However, the question for Horan is how to maximise what he has. Higgins needs to return to the backs and Gibbons emergence as a genuine IC midfielder provides Mayo with the opportunity to experiment with Moran or O'Shea as forwards. Sweeney looks like a good player so if Dillon and O'Connor can come back then Mayo could yet find the right balance.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 14, 2014, 10:11:42 AM
Tackling poor, unable to run through defences as Pangurban pointed out. And we had the extra man! It was terrible to watch and I don't think we're 'learning' from the mistakes at all, as they seem to be made and repeated more often than not this year. I said last night we seemed pedestrian looking, and I think the whole set-up is becoming 'pedestrian' in their outlook. To good effect last year we had men pushing up, closing down the man on the ball etc. I didn't see that yesterday. Nor the day before - when I gave them the benefit of the doubt for playing Derry's 'B' team.
Why was Cafferkey not removed as soon as he went down. He was left on for around 5 minutes afterwards, I think. I don't think the subs were used to great effect either. Higgins was never taken off when he played cornerback. We all know what Varley brings to the table at this stage, why not try Adam Gallagher? See if he has it or not? And bringing Feeney on with the game as good as well over, well it's pretty pointless discussing that substitution. Andy Moran when he let the ball go did a few nice things, but his annoyingly overbearing towards taking 2 or 3 solos out of the ball most of the time he got it was not good to watch.
Freeman hadn't one of his best games, then again the ball wasn't going in quick enough to him. Midfield started well, but lost their way (after Doherty got red). Another annoying day out at the office for Mayo. One where lots will say, 'it'll be grand if we learn'. We aren't learning.
PS, sorry to bore Derry posters to tears with my pessimistic ravings and ramblings about the state of Mayo. Well done to ye. Ye worked harder than Mayo yesterday and deserved to win it.
Interestingly, when the game was level and there to be won in the last 5 mins there was 6 of this so called B team on the pitch.
Jesus wept... I know McGee was the main instigator for the new rules but this is ridiculous:
Quotehttp://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/same-old-failings-return-to-haunt-newlook-rebels-30182716.html
Referee Padraig Hughes also played his part with wonderful officiating, using common sense to keep the fast game going without interruption.
Quote from: screenexile on April 14, 2014, 10:54:41 AM
Jesus wept... I know McGee was the main instigator for the new rules but this is ridiculous:
Quotehttp://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/same-old-failings-return-to-haunt-newlook-rebels-30182716.html
Referee Padraig Hughes also played his part with wonderful officiating, using common sense to keep the fast game going without interruption.
"Derry did not play flashy football yesterday, as Mayo did on many occasions."
"There were no 'flash Harrys' or 'fancy Dans' on this Derry team. Just solid, well-organised and hard-working players who never lost sight of what they were supposed to do.
A lesson, perhaps, for everybody involved in the Mayo football team."
What the fck is McGee raving about!? There wasn't a Mayo player on the pitch who was trying to be 'flashy'. He's still harbouring his opinions of Mayo from 04/06 with Mortimer and McDonald it seems.
Quote from: quiganmaster on April 13, 2014, 10:55:57 PM
Absolutely disgusted when I came home and looked at this thread. Brilliant occasion for our county, very proud derry Gael today, but goodness gracious lads, we have own nothing yet. Some stupid comments from derry posters here and ridiculous uncalled for comments from the mayo supporters about politics etc, where does that fit into the GAA ethos? Gracious in victory, gracious in defeat! Derry abú
What he said.
Quote from: Tubberman on April 14, 2014, 11:13:39 AM
Quote from: screenexile on April 14, 2014, 10:54:41 AM
Jesus wept... I know McGee was the main instigator for the new rules but this is ridiculous:
Quotehttp://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/same-old-failings-return-to-haunt-newlook-rebels-30182716.html
Referee Padraig Hughes also played his part with wonderful officiating, using common sense to keep the fast game going without interruption.
"Derry did not play flashy football yesterday, as Mayo did on many occasions."
"There were no 'flash Harrys' or 'fancy Dans' on this Derry team. Just solid, well-organised and hard-working players who never lost sight of what they were supposed to do.
A lesson, perhaps, for everybody involved in the Mayo football team."
What the fck is McGee raving about!? There wasn't a Mayo player on the pitch who was trying to be 'flashy'. He's still harbouring his opinions of Mayo from 04/06 with Mortimer and McDonald it seems.
He's a bloody header that man. How he gets the status he does is beyond me.
Delighted with the character, work ethic and belief in this Derry side that has been drilled into them since Brian has came on board. They are very well organised with talented footballers across each line knowing their role within the team. Previously Derry were a collection of individuals but now we are more akin to a well drilled club side and the atmosphere around Derry at the minute is great.
I like Mayo and still think they will be there around the business end of the season, it's only April afterall. best of luck for the rest of the year.
That win for Derry reminds me a bit of us against Cork in the 1/4 final in 2011. Since that game we have been a top team while Cork went into decline. I hope that doesn't happen us now.
I predict a major change in tactics for us. Since the tackle is now apparently obsolete (although the ref in the Dublin game did allow a physical game) the only way to prevent goals will be to pull 12/13 men back in front of the goal. Fans might think high-scoring shootouts are great but managers won't.
Disappointed again ( all too familiar now!) in Croker. The sloppy play that has marked us all through the league was on show again. Derry looked more up for the fight when the game reached it's pitch in the second half. Some really poor shot selection and the ball into Freeman was poor. I must say I haven't seen a Derry team this well organised and together since the 90's and McIver has done a fine job so far. If they could get past Donegal , the confidence boost could drive them forward to an Ulster title.
For us we didn't look interested in digging deep to push Derry in the final quarter and our man advantage was what pinned Derry back more than us applying any real pressure. While an All Ireland q/final is attainable because of the structure of the championship this could be our lot ( maybe a semi if we got a handy q/final draw) for 2014. While SAM would escape us again it would be an admirable attempt from a squad on the road for four years and would at least leave a base line performance for the next management team to work off. I would like us to put together one 70 min performance in a meaningful championship game this summer and see where it takes us though!!
Well done Derry and I hope you have a good cut off the Dubs in the final. Well done Dublin also on that second half performance. It was a joy to watch in the flesh and a reminder of how good Alan Brogan is when fully fit!! 2- 13 in one half is amazing scoring on any day!!!
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 13, 2014, 09:49:35 AM
Having went to school in Derry I was brought up hating ye lot and went to the "we beat Derry with 13 men" match with two Derry lads. But living in Dublin now combined with her lack of competitiveness in for a long time now, I'm able to support ye again now. Can't make the match but have a sneaky feeling ye will shock Mayo and win. Reading the IN yesterday I read this is the first Derry team in ages with great team spirit and togetherness. I know the Mayo boys will hate me but I think they're looking ahead to the final and the summer whereas Derry know this is their big chance to win a National title and would give them great belief in themselves and their new manager.
Good call Fuzzman and well done for supporting the aul enemy in these peace times.
Pity a few Derry man can't just enjoy their win without rattling a few cages and bitter aul JOG having to mention Mayo being as cynical as Tyrone. Sad sad sad.
Still I'll be cheering for ye to win the final against the money spinning Dubs. I hope MDMA doesn't meet me soon or he'll batter the head of me for bad mouthing the Dubs.
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 14, 2014, 12:29:37 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 13, 2014, 09:49:35 AM
Having went to school in Derry I was brought up hating ye lot and went to the "we beat Derry with 13 men" match with two Derry lads. But living in Dublin now combined with her lack of competitiveness in for a long time now, I'm able to support ye again now. Can't make the match but have a sneaky feeling ye will shock Mayo and win. Reading the IN yesterday I read this is the first Derry team in ages with great team spirit and togetherness. I know the Mayo boys will hate me but I think they're looking ahead to the final and the summer whereas Derry know this is their big chance to win a National title and would give them great belief in themselves and their new manager.
Good call Fuzzman and well done for supporting the aul enemy in these peace times.
Pity a few Derry man can't just enjoy their win without rattling a few cages and bitter aul JOG having to mention Mayo being as cynical as Tyrone. Sad sad sad.
Still I'll be cheering for ye to win the final against the money spinning Dubs. I hope MDMA doesn't meet me soon or he'll batter the head of me for bad mouthing the Dubs.
here, I threw in a winky thing at the end of that line about being cynical. Feel bad now after your reading your hands across the divide post. I guess what I'm trying to say is, if I can change, and you can change, everybody can change.
f**k Tyrone
Good man JOG although see above
Don't worry Tickle ye might get a chance to hammer us this summer
Just bring a big double decker and drive it right through the middle of her defence
As a matter of interest do you want Bradley back now or would he only upset things.
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 14, 2014, 02:09:46 PM
Good man JOG although see above
Don't worry Tickle ye might get a chance to hammer us this summer
Just bring a big double decker and drive it right through the middle of her defence
As a matter of interest do you want Bradley back now or would he only upset things.
I touched on it in the Derry thread. Would never be one for washing the old laundry in public, though, at this juncture, I wouldnt have him back. Theres not a man on the panel should make way. Too much work from alot of players / backroom staff to get us to a position to have a good old rattle at Donegal at the end of May. Can't see him being invited back
No, wouldnt want Skinner back
Quote from: J OGorman on April 14, 2014, 02:28:01 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 14, 2014, 02:09:46 PM
Good man JOG although see above
Don't worry Tickle ye might get a chance to hammer us this summer
Just bring a big double decker and drive it right through the middle of her defence
As a matter of interest do you want Bradley back now or would he only upset things.
I touched on it in the Derry thread. Would never be one for washing the old laundry in public, though, at this juncture, I wouldnt have him back. Theres not a man on the panel should make way. Too much work from alot of players / backroom staff to get us to a position to have a good old rattle at Donegal at the end of May. Can't see him being invited back
This is the first time in a while I have seen Derry play good football as a team
This is the first time in a while I have seen Derry without a Bradley involved.
Go figure......
Apologies lads for getting wound up and snapping back at the two (probably the same lad) WUMs. Drink was had watching the soccer and football :-[
Again like I said initially, well done Derry.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 13, 2014, 11:09:58 PM
We were too pedestrian today. We don't know how to run at defendees at PACE. Conceding far too many goals. Conservative team selection. Jesus I'm gonna stop now because the political jibes from both sets on here want to make me puke.
Need a few leaders. You don't have enough. Forget tactics- leadership is more important
Quote from: INDIANA on April 14, 2014, 06:14:36 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 13, 2014, 11:09:58 PM
We were too pedestrian today. We don't know how to run at defendees at PACE. Conceding far too many goals. Conservative team selection. Jesus I'm gonna stop now because the political jibes from both sets on here want to make me puke.
Need a few leaders. You don't have enough. Forget tactics- leadership is more important
What is a 'leader'? Plenty of that team are vocal and try to lead by example, it just didn't work yesterday.
Mayo's problems look like they rest in mental fatigue more than anything else. That's a even harder problem to solve than a lack of leaders.
This whole 'leader' craic is a fallacy! Can have loads of great leaders but not worth a sihte if you don't have a good team, game plan ( to suit the team and players) and good mgt
The best teams will end up having a few marquee players ( effectively leaders) but not the other way around
Try creating a winning team with a handful ( or loads) of leaders....
IMO anyway
Hard luck yesterday mayo. I think the new rules have set you back a wee bit but you have talented big squad so a better team selection and some natural defenders ( or three man midfield alignment ) may go a long way to solving this problem
Whatever about the league final - I'm more wary of those cute Donegal hoors lying in wait for us in the championship first round.
Derry might need e Bradley yet if we exp injuries like in prev years!
Hope not - but we've been fierce unlucky with them
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 14, 2014, 06:45:48 PM
This whole 'leader' craic is a fallacy! Can have loads of great leaders but not worth a sihte if you don't have a good team, game plan ( to suit the team and players) and good mgt
The best teams will end up having a few marquee players ( effectively leaders) but not the other way around
Try creating a winning team with a handful ( or loads) of leaders....
IMO anyway
Hard luck yesterday mayo. I think the new rules have set you back a wee bit but you have talented big squad so a better team selection and some natural defenders ( or three man midfield alignment ) may go a long way to solving this problem
Whatever about the league final - I'm more wary of those cute Donegal hoors lying in wait for us in the championship first round.
Derry might need e Bradley yet if we exp injuries like in prev years!
Hope not - but we've been fierce unlucky with them
Its not a fallacy at all. Mayo have plenty of good players but no leaders. A leader is a guy who plays his best on a regular basis when the shit hits the fan. Mayo have very few in this category.
Lessons in leadership were provided by MDMA and Connolly for Dublin yesterday. Neither had spectacular first halves by any stretch but were awesome in the last 25 minutes. Anyone can start a game and play well only the very best can reverse a game going away from them.
Quote from: muppet on April 14, 2014, 12:01:38 PM
That win for Derry reminds me a bit of us against Cork in the 1/4 final in 2011. Since that game we have been a top team while Cork went into decline. I hope that doesn't happen us now.
I predict a major change in tactics for us. Since the tackle is now apparently obsolete (although the ref in the Dublin game did allow a physical game) the only way to prevent goals will be to pull 12/13 men back in front of the goal. Fans might think high-scoring shootouts are great but managers won't.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing yesterday. You know the joy Derry are feeling. We had it in 2011 and 2012 beating Cork and Dublin (and even Kerry in the League semi final). Yeah, yesterday Horan looked like Counihan looked in 2011 a team on the road a few year listening to the same spin from the same manager. Because we are still a decent side I have a feeling this will be a slow painful death this summer.
Now rant over and in with the excuses for our display. Full back line without Barrett, Cunniffe, Cafferkey (who is the lynch pin) and Higgins (why was he not moved back instead of being taken off?) will always struggle. Jason Gibbons came in for rough treatment! Cillian was naturally a loss on the day. Varley is not up to it but is getting time as a sub, mind boggles! Yesterdays result brings the fans back to earth and expectation will be (more) realistic now! We have a couple of Months until we start the
'real' championship. It almost seems like a life time away. By the time it comes around Sunday will be a distant memory. :)
Quote from: INDIANA on April 14, 2014, 07:10:34 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 14, 2014, 06:45:48 PM
This whole 'leader' craic is a fallacy! Can have loads of great leaders but not worth a sihte if you don't have a good team, game plan ( to suit the team and players) and good mgt
The best teams will end up having a few marquee players ( effectively leaders) but not the other way around
Try creating a winning team with a handful ( or loads) of leaders....
IMO anyway
Hard luck yesterday mayo. I think the new rules have set you back a wee bit but you have talented big squad so a better team selection and some natural defenders ( or three man midfield alignment ) may go a long way to solving this problem
Whatever about the league final - I'm more wary of those cute Donegal hoors lying in wait for us in the championship first round.
Derry might need e Bradley yet if we exp injuries like in prev years!
Hope not - but we've been fierce unlucky with them
Its not a fallacy at all. Mayo have plenty of good players but no leaders. A leader is a guy who plays his best on a regular basis when the shit hits the fan. Mayo have very few in this category.
Lessons in leadership were provided by MDMA and Connolly for Dublin yesterday. Neither had spectacular first halves by any stretch but were awesome in the last 25 minutes. Anyone can start a game and play well only the very best can reverse a game going away from them.
You can't be a leader without the talent though. You can be talented player and not a leader, however you can't be a leader without being a very talented player. Connolly is possibly the most technically complete footballer in Ireland while McAuley has been amongst the best midfielders in the country for a few years now, currently he is the best. I'm not sure many Mayo players had that level to push on to when the need was greatest. Keegan, Boyle, Cafferky, Vaughan & O'Shea all had good games in many ways, Gibbons was excellent. Moran and Sweeney showed well at times but the rest of the forwards were largely poor yet Mayo still scored 1-16. Put Connolly, O'Gara and Brogan (either of them) into the Mayo team yesterday and they'd have won.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 14, 2014, 07:10:34 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 14, 2014, 06:45:48 PM
This whole 'leader' craic is a fallacy! Can have loads of great leaders but not worth a sihte if you don't have a good team, game plan ( to suit the team and players) and good mgt
The best teams will end up having a few marquee players ( effectively leaders) but not the other way around
Try creating a winning team with a handful ( or loads) of leaders....
IMO anyway
Hard luck yesterday mayo. I think the new rules have set you back a wee bit but you have talented big squad so a better team selection and some natural defenders ( or three man midfield alignment ) may go a long way to solving this problem
Whatever about the league final - I'm more wary of those cute Donegal hoors lying in wait for us in the championship first round.
Derry might need e Bradley yet if we exp injuries like in prev years!
Hope not - but we've been fierce unlucky with them
Its not a fallacy at all. Mayo have plenty of good players but no leaders. A leader is a guy who plays his best on a regular basis when the shit hits the fan. Mayo have very few in this category.
Lessons in leadership were provided by MDMA and Connolly for Dublin yesterday. Neither had spectacular first halves by any stretch but were awesome in the last 25 minutes. Anyone can start a game and play well only the very best can reverse a game going away from them.
Agreed INDIANA, not sure how anyone can think leaders is fallacy. Leadership needed on and off the field no top successful side that doesn't have them. Andy Moran was certainly one but he hasn't been the same player since his injury.
Congrats to Derry, good win for ye.
I thought we looked somewhat disinterested yesterday when the game was there to be won. Was it because we're training to peak in Aug / Sept?? Or because there are too many miles on the clock?? Hopefully the former.... That game will be meaningless if we come good in the summer, a lot of work to be done before then though.
Overall, I thought the first game lacked the intensity of the second and I can't see Derry beating Dublin, hope I'm wrong though.
Quote from: Zulu on April 14, 2014, 07:33:17 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 14, 2014, 07:10:34 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 14, 2014, 06:45:48 PM
This whole 'leader' craic is a fallacy! Can have loads of great leaders but not worth a sihte if you don't have a good team, game plan ( to suit the team and players) and good mgt
The best teams will end up having a few marquee players ( effectively leaders) but not the other way around
Try creating a winning team with a handful ( or loads) of leaders....
IMO anyway
Hard luck yesterday mayo. I think the new rules have set you back a wee bit but you have talented big squad so a better team selection and some natural defenders ( or three man midfield alignment ) may go a long way to solving this problem
Whatever about the league final - I'm more wary of those cute Donegal hoors lying in wait for us in the championship first round.
Derry might need e Bradley yet if we exp injuries like in prev years!
Hope not - but we've been fierce unlucky with them
Its not a fallacy at all. Mayo have plenty of good players but no leaders. A leader is a guy who plays his best on a regular basis when the shit hits the fan. Mayo have very few in this category.
Lessons in leadership were provided by MDMA and Connolly for Dublin yesterday. Neither had spectacular first halves by any stretch but were awesome in the last 25 minutes. Anyone can start a game and play well only the very best can reverse a game going away from them.
You can't be a leader without the talent though. You can be talented player and not a leader, however you can't be a leader without being a very talented player. Connolly is possibly the most technically complete footballer in Ireland while McAuley has been amongst the best midfielders in the country for a few years now, currently he is the best. I'm not sure many Mayo players had that level to push on to when the need was greatest. Keegan, Boyle, Cafferky, Vaughan & O'Shea all had good games in many ways, Gibbons was excellent. Moran and Sweeney showed well at times but the rest of the forwards were largely poor yet Mayo still scored 1-16. Put Connolly, O'Gara and Brogan (either of them) into the Mayo team yesterday and they'd have won.
MDMA is not technically a good footballer at all. His biggest asset is his ability to run and link the play. But he's always there when the game is in the melting pot.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 14, 2014, 08:02:11 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 14, 2014, 07:33:17 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 14, 2014, 07:10:34 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 14, 2014, 06:45:48 PM
This whole 'leader' craic is a fallacy! Can have loads of great leaders but not worth a sihte if you don't have a good team, game plan ( to suit the team and players) and good mgt
The best teams will end up having a few marquee players ( effectively leaders) but not the other way around
Try creating a winning team with a handful ( or loads) of leaders....
IMO anyway
Hard luck yesterday mayo. I think the new rules have set you back a wee bit but you have talented big squad so a better team selection and some natural defenders ( or three man midfield alignment ) may go a long way to solving this problem
Whatever about the league final - I'm more wary of those cute Donegal hoors lying in wait for us in the championship first round.
Derry might need e Bradley yet if we exp injuries like in prev years!
Hope not - but we've been fierce unlucky with them
Its not a fallacy at all. Mayo have plenty of good players but no leaders. A leader is a guy who plays his best on a regular basis when the shit hits the fan. Mayo have very few in this category.
Lessons in leadership were provided by MDMA and Connolly for Dublin yesterday. Neither had spectacular first halves by any stretch but were awesome in the last 25 minutes. Anyone can start a game and play well only the very best can reverse a game going away from them.
You can't be a leader without the talent though. You can be talented player and not a leader, however you can't be a leader without being a very talented player. Connolly is possibly the most technically complete footballer in Ireland while McAuley has been amongst the best midfielders in the country for a few years now, currently he is the best. I'm not sure many Mayo players had that level to push on to when the need was greatest. Keegan, Boyle, Cafferky, Vaughan & O'Shea all had good games in many ways, Gibbons was excellent. Moran and Sweeney showed well at times but the rest of the forwards were largely poor yet Mayo still scored 1-16. Put Connolly, O'Gara and Brogan (either of them) into the Mayo team yesterday and they'd have won.
MDMA is not technically a good footballer at all. His biggest asset is his ability to run and link the play. But he's always there when the game is in the melting pot.
Did he score a point off his left yesterday or is my memory playing tricks on me? Could be confusing him for O'Gara who clipped a lovely one over with his left. A couple of years ago O'Gara couldn't/wouldn't have taken that one on with his right, some development. McAuley is the beating heart of that Dublin side. His head wasn't really in the game in the first half but he and Dublin were a changed animal after the break. Great lesson for Cork to get, thought they were better than they are, should help to concentrate minds before/during big championship games this summer.
Enda Varley, Andy Moran, Alan Freeman not good enough. Freeman is a coward, Andy is just not up to it anymore but has been a great servant to Mayo football, Varley , he really is just not good enough,sin e. Doc , borderline. Horan himself has brought them as far as he can.mAbsolutely nothing more to give, it's exhausted like our general tactic in play.
2015 You replace them with , Feeney, Evan Regan, put AOS on the square and let Adam Gallagher have a go. Horans replacement should be kevin MCStay .
2014, forget it, Hyde park will be f**king nightmare , mark my words. Them horrible horrible people will be unbearable when they beat Mayo after 13 years of hurt.
Quote from: larryin89 on April 14, 2014, 08:16:42 PM
Enda Varley, Andy Moran, Alan Freeman not good enough. Freeman is a coward, Andy is just not up to it anymore but has been a great servant to Mayo football, Varley , he really is just not good enough,sin e. Doc , borderline. Horan himself has brought them as far as he can.mAbsolutely nothing more to give, it's exhausted like our general tactic in play.
2015 You replace them with , Feeney, Evan Regan, put AOS on the square and let Adam Gallagher have a go. Horans replacement should be kevin MCStay .
2014, forget it, Hyde park will be f**king nightmare , mark my words. Them horrible horrible people will be unbearable when they beat Mayo after 13 years of hurt.
It's a little early for the excuses.
And Kevin McStay being stationed at the Curragh now with more responsibilities makes a senior IC job a huge ask.
To call your top-scoring forward yesterday a coward, what does that make the rest of the team?
Quote from: INDIANA on April 14, 2014, 07:10:34 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 14, 2014, 06:45:48 PM
This whole 'leader' craic is a fallacy! Can have loads of great leaders but not worth a sihte if you don't have a good team, game plan ( to suit the team and players) and good mgt
The best teams will end up having a few marquee players ( effectively leaders) but not the other way around
Try creating a winning team with a handful ( or loads) of leaders....
IMO anyway
Hard luck yesterday mayo. I think the new rules have set you back a wee bit but you have talented big squad so a better team selection and some natural defenders ( or three man midfield alignment ) may go a long way to solving this problem
Whatever about the league final - I'm more wary of those cute Donegal hoors lying in wait for us in the championship first round.
Derry might need e Bradley yet if we exp injuries like in prev years!
Hope not - but we've been fierce unlucky with them
Its not a fallacy at all. Mayo have plenty of good players but no leaders. A leader is a guy who plays his best on a regular basis when the shit hits the fan. Mayo have very few in this category.
Lessons in leadership were provided by MDMA and Connolly for Dublin yesterday. Neither had spectacular first halves by any stretch but were awesome in the last 25 minutes. Anyone can start a game and play well only the very best can reverse a game going away from them.
My apologies - my response to you sounded very rude when I re-read it.
I respect your point and opinion.
I disagree but that's not a problem- IMO the leadership thing is cart before the horse and something that may have come out of that eejit mcstay's inane witterings.
But there's no denying that MDMA and Connolly as well as McMahon all raised their game until cork capitulated. IMO it's not leadership as being THE key factor, but a great team ethic that enables leaders.
Anyhow I don't want to fall out over that with you- so apologies for the prev!
Quote from: larryin89 on April 14, 2014, 08:16:42 PM
Enda Varley, Andy Moran, Alan Freeman not good enough. Freeman is a coward, Andy is just not up to it anymore but has been a great servant to Mayo football, Varley , he really is just not good enough,sin e. Doc , borderline. Horan himself has brought them as far as he can.mAbsolutely nothing more to give, it's exhausted like our general tactic in play.
2015 You replace them with , Feeney, Evan Regan, put AOS on the square and let Adam Gallagher have a go. Horans replacement should be kevin MCStay .
2014, forget it, Hyde park will be f**king nightmare , mark my words. Them horrible horrible people will be unbearable when they beat Mayo after 13 years of hurt.
You're some f**king clown talking about a Mayo player like that. He's contributed far more than you ever have or will, I'm sure of that.
Quote from: larryin89 on April 14, 2014, 08:16:42 PM
Enda Varley, Andy Moran, Alan Freeman not good enough. Freeman is a coward, Andy is just not up to it anymore but has been a great servant to Mayo football, Varley , he really is just not good enough,sin e. Doc , borderline. Horan himself has brought them as far as he can.mAbsolutely nothing more to give, it's exhausted like our general tactic in play.
2015 You replace them with , Feeney, Evan Regan, put AOS on the square and let Adam Gallagher have a go. Horans replacement should be kevin MCStay .
2014, forget it, Hyde park will be f**king nightmare , mark my words. Them horrible horrible people will be unbearable when they beat Mayo after 13 years of hurt.
You're some supporter.
It is unbelievable reading some of the negative stuff here. It's april... April!!
Your players have given you loads of hard and honest effort over the last few years. Most of the rest of us wish we had them. Support your county and have some perspective!!
G lads u sore on u players, how can you call one of your own players a coward? for what exactly?? what he do different the rest didn't?
It was never a red card. Aidan O'Shea is a softy.
Quote from: Tubberman on April 14, 2014, 08:30:39 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on April 14, 2014, 08:16:42 PM
Enda Varley, Andy Moran, Alan Freeman not good enough. Freeman is a coward, Andy is just not up to it anymore but has been a great servant to Mayo football, Varley , he really is just not good enough,sin e. Doc , borderline. Horan himself has brought them as far as he can.mAbsolutely nothing more to give, it's exhausted like our general tactic in play.
2015 You replace them with , Feeney, Evan Regan, put AOS on the square and let Adam Gallagher have a go. Horans replacement should be kevin MCStay .
2014, forget it, Hyde park will be f**king nightmare , mark my words. Them horrible horrible people will be unbearable when they beat Mayo after 13 years of hurt.
You're some f**king clown talking about a Mayo player like that. He's contributed far more than you ever have or will, I'm sure of that.
+1
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on April 14, 2014, 09:06:11 PM
It was never a red card. Aidan O'Shea is a softy.
Got 2 yellows though.
It wasn't a red card.
But it wasn't very smart for a fella who was already on a yellow card.
Happy to see Derry do well and I'd love to see them do a job on the Dubs. One downside is the Derry fellas working in the media go into overdrive. Paddy Heaney's Derry fanzine article in today's Irish News went off on one about the ref. With the blinkers off you'd see that Doherty went at O'Shea recklessly and whatever about the first yellow, the 2nd was deserved. It's not as if he'd cry injustice if it had been Dick Clerkin sent off for the same thing.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 14, 2014, 07:22:08 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 14, 2014, 12:01:38 PM
That win for Derry reminds me a bit of us against Cork in the 1/4 final in 2011. Since that game we have been a top team while Cork went into decline. I hope that doesn't happen us now.
I predict a major change in tactics for us. Since the tackle is now apparently obsolete (although the ref in the Dublin game did allow a physical game) the only way to prevent goals will be to pull 12/13 men back in front of the goal. Fans might think high-scoring shootouts are great but managers won't.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing yesterday. You know the joy Derry are feeling. We had it in 2011 and 2012 beating Cork and Dublin (and even Kerry in the League semi final). Yeah, yesterday Horan looked like Counihan looked in 2011 a team on the road a few year listening to the same spin from the same manager. Because we are still a decent side I have a feeling this will be a slow painful death this summer.
Now rant over and in with the excuses for our display. Full back line without Barrett, Cunniffe, Cafferkey (who is the lynch pin) and Higgins (why was he not moved back instead of being taken off?) will always struggle. Jason Gibbons came in for rough treatment! Cillian was naturally a loss on the day. Varley is not up to it but is getting time as a sub, mind boggles! Yesterdays result brings the fans back to earth and expectation will be (more) realistic now! We have a couple of Months until we start the 'real' championship. It almost seems like a life time away. By the time it comes around Sunday will be a distant memory. :)
I don't understand this statement. He committed two separate black card offences in the first half. The body check on Lynn was the first. Gibbons went down with an 'injury' after the clash. The second was a haul to the ground for which he received a yellow. I thought he was dishing out the rough treatment rather than being a victim.of it.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 14, 2014, 08:35:01 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on April 14, 2014, 08:16:42 PM
Enda Varley, Andy Moran, Alan Freeman not good enough. Freeman is a coward, Andy is just not up to it anymore but has been a great servant to Mayo football, Varley , he really is just not good enough,sin e. Doc , borderline. Horan himself has brought them as far as he can.mAbsolutely nothing more to give, it's exhausted like our general tactic in play.
2015 You replace them with , Feeney, Evan Regan, put AOS on the square and let Adam Gallagher have a go. Horans replacement should be kevin MCStay .
2014, forget it, Hyde park will be f**king nightmare , mark my words. Them horrible horrible people will be unbearable when they beat Mayo after 13 years of hurt.
You're some supporter.
It is unbelievable reading some of the negative stuff here. It's april... April!!
Your players have given you loads of hard and honest effort over the last few years. Most of the rest of us wish we had them. Support your county and have some perspective!!
No perspective with this Mayo supporter at all and he isn't the only having read the mayogaablog.
Quote from: muppet on April 14, 2014, 09:27:35 PM
It wasn't a red card.
But it wasn't very smart for a fella who was already on a yellow card.
It was a committed challenge. A split second late. If O'Shea had bounced straight back up, I would doubt whether Hughes would have come to the same conclusion. When I player on a yellow cards starts to pull out or hold back on challenges they need to be taken off. I suppose thats why Harte normally subs those on a yellow.
Quote from: Estimator on April 14, 2014, 09:41:21 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 14, 2014, 09:27:35 PM
It wasn't a red card.
But it wasn't very smart for a fella who was already on a yellow card.
It was a committed challenge. A split second late. If O'Shea had bounced straight back up, I would doubt whether Hughes would have come to the same conclusion. When I player on a yellow cards starts to pull out or hold back on challenges they need to be taken off. I suppose thats why Harte normally subs those on a yellow.
I thought the yellow was harsh as in the reply it was obvious he had eyes only for the ball. But it did look like a clothesline job in real time.
But blaming O'Shea for the other challenge is biased delusion.
I feel derry are being shown very little respect here, a team up from division 2 just beat one of the top 4 teams in the country with 14 men, and an average age of 23 yet mayo supporters are still not giving them any respect. You can talk all day about men having to come back to the mayo team, but derry have mckinless, McCloskey, Bradley, Kielt, bell etc all to come back to the team. And then saying the league isn't important... At the end of the day derry can only beat what's in front of them and want to win everything they are involved in. Maybe mayo should have tried yesterday... after all you's do need a win in croke park sometime soon ;)
Quote from: quiganmaster on April 14, 2014, 10:00:21 PM
I feel derry are being shown very little respect here, a team up from division 2 just beat one of the top 4 teams in the country with 14 men, and an average age of 23 yet mayo supporters are still not giving them any respect. You can talk all day about men having to come back to the mayo team, but derry have mckinless, McCloskey, Bradley, Kielt, bell etc all to come back to the team. And then saying the league isn't important... At the end of the day derry can only beat what's in front of them and want to win everything they are involved in. Maybe mayo should have tried yesterday... after all you's do need a win in croke park sometime soon ;)
Aye, those Mayo lads are fairly arrogant yokes altogether.
Quote from: muppet on April 14, 2014, 09:52:16 PM
Quote from: Estimator on April 14, 2014, 09:41:21 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 14, 2014, 09:27:35 PM
It wasn't a red card.
But it wasn't very smart for a fella who was already on a yellow card.
It was a committed challenge. A split second late. If O'Shea had bounced straight back up, I would doubt whether Hughes would have come to the same conclusion. When I player on a yellow cards starts to pull out or hold back on challenges they need to be taken off. I suppose thats why Harte normally subs those on a yellow.
I thought the yellow was harsh as in the reply it was obvious he had eyes only for the ball. But it dod look like a clothesline job in real time.
But blaming O'Shea for the other challenge is biased delusion.
I'm not blaming O'Shea. Like I said it was a late (by a split second) hit, he give Hughes the opportunity to dish out the second yellow.
This is unchartered water for us Derry folk. Part of a thread 20 pages long! We're on the rise I tell ye!
watched the O`Shea hit 6 or 7 times now, as far as i can see the ball there to be won, Doherty late but marginally and the hit is shoulder to shoulder, i be more concerned about a player going down holding his face unless he bounced his head on the ground going down.
Wrong, it is side to side in the rule, not shoulder to a houlder, and it was a foul, like yourself watched a number of times, and it was not side to side, a reckless tackle for an experienced player to have attempted already on a yellow. As soon as it happened I new he was fecked.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 14, 2014, 10:14:25 PM
watched the O`Shea hit 6 or 7 times now, as far as i can see the ball there to be won, Doherty late but marginally and the hit is shoulder to shoulder, i be more concerned about a player going down holding his face unless he bounced his head on the ground going down.
Seriously?
The ball is there to be won.
Doherty made no effort to go near the ball while O'Shea clearly played the ball.
It was shoulder to chest.
Definite yellow and unbelievably risky for a man already on a yellow.
But blame the opponent. ::)
Just watched the game again, Varley's point was savage, how come he can't do that every time??
McLoughlin & Higgins were poor. In general, the mayo lads weren't putting in the effort needed to win, not tackling back hard enough, not busting a gut the way you need to
Quote from: quiganmaster on April 14, 2014, 10:00:21 PM
I feel derry are being shown very little respect here, a team up from division 2 just beat one of the top 4 teams in the country with 14 men, and an average age of 23 yet mayo supporters are still not giving them any respect. You can talk all day about men having to come back to the mayo team, but derry have mckinless, McCloskey, Bradley, Kielt, bell etc all to come back to the team. And then saying the league isn't important... At the end of the day derry can only beat what's in front of them and want to win everything they are involved in. Maybe mayo should have tried yesterday... after all you's do need a win in croke park sometime soon ;)
We've had more wins in Croke Park in the last ten years than ye boys have had in a lifetime! :D
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Quote from: macdanger2 on April 14, 2014, 10:58:51 PM
Just watched the game again, Varley's point was savage, how come he can't do that every time??
McLoughlin & Higgins were poor. In general, the mayo lads weren't putting in the effort needed to win, not tackling back hard enough, not busting a gut the way you need to
His attempt with the right foot wasn't so savage.
Reading Eugene McGees colum in the Sindo would make you weep.He must head straight for the bar when he goes into Croke Park and stays there for the whole game because based on his writings he does not watch any of the games.How he gets paid for the rubbish he writes is one of the great mysteries of life.
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I disagree but that's not a problem- IMO the leadership thing is cart before the horse and something that may have come out of that eejit mcstay's inane witterings.
McStay is no eejit & if he said something like that he would right. McStay for example wouldn't have won the club AI with Brigids without leaders like Mannion,Curran,Dolan etc..
Anyone that comes out with the bullsiht jargon he does is an eejit
Gain lines, leaders etc etc etc
St brigids were a cracking side long before he got them
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 15, 2014, 01:45:39 AM
Anyone that comes out with the bullsiht jargon he does is an eejit
Gain lines, leaders etc etc etc
St brigids were a cracking side long before he got them
They were Mayo in colour and purpose before McStay. He is an excellent manager and without him Brigids wouldn't have won their AI. His approach that year both in how he trained the team and how he identified weaknesses that needed addressing was exceptional.
'Leaders' is such a nebulous, meaningless term, though. I see players like Caffereky, Boyle, Moran and COC, despite his years, as leaders on that Mayo team. Dillon has always been a big leader for Mayo too. Higgins and Keegan are both players who lead by example and consistency too. I really don't know many teams - Dublin included - that have as many players you could mark out as leaders as Mayo have right now.
No one was complaining about Mayo not having 'leaders' last year so I really can't buy into it being the issue this year.
The Horan era has always been about high intensity and four seasons of long campaigns and near misses will wear on any panel. There's no shame in feeling a bit wore down after two back-to-back AI finals, but it's also a problem few teams in history have ever found an immediate solution to.
I don't think the signs are terribly good for Mayo this year but it's hard to write off a team that's still bubbling in the top three or four teams in the country.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 15, 2014, 01:45:39 AM
Anyone that comes out with the bullsiht jargon he does is an eejit
Gain lines, leaders etc etc etc
St brigids were a cracking side long before he got them
You're entitled to your opinion...but i disagree. Younger players looking to make a breakthrough need this type of leadership on and off the field also. St Brigids was just one example & it took those named leaders to step up. Biggest Worry for Brigids now is how to replace these players.
Quote from: Syferus on April 15, 2014, 02:01:59 AM
'Leaders' is such a nebulous, meaningless term, though.
Strongly disagree. For the record i agreed with INDIANA on leadership in general but its clear Mayo have leaders themselves most of them in defence though.
Quote from: ross4life on April 15, 2014, 02:25:30 AM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 15, 2014, 01:45:39 AM
Anyone that comes out with the bullsiht jargon he does is an eejit
Gain lines, leaders etc etc etc
St brigids were a cracking side long before he got them
You're entitled to your opinion...but i disagree. Younger players looking to make a breakthrough need this type of leadership on and off the field also. St Brigids was just one example & it took those named leaders to step up. Biggest Worry for Brigids now is how to replace these players.
Quote from: Syferus on April 15, 2014, 02:01:59 AM
'Leaders' is such a nebulous, meaningless term, though.
Strongly disagree. For the record i agreed with INDIANA on leadership in general but its clear Mayo have leaders themselves most of them in defence though.
My point is 'leadership' takes many forms and that saying a team "doesn't have enough leaders" is a pretty meaningless term on its own. You need leaders but there's no one absolute way to be a leader.
Look at the three Brigids players you picked out - Cake, cuter than any hoor in the country and a 41 year-old child on the field in both antics and enthusiasm, Mango, a calming, thinking man's player in the Earley mould and Frankie, one of the most combustible players in the country who's seething with passion at almost every juncture.
'Leadership' takes so many forms that whenever anyone says any team 'doesn't have leaders' I instantly roll my eyes. It's too lazy an excuse without qualification and in this instance I can't see how it even applies.
That Mayo team isn't full of players shrieking their responsibilities or shying away from trying to inspire others, that genuinely is a wrong reading what what happened yesterday or what happened last year or the year before.
Quote from: Syferus on April 15, 2014, 02:01:59 AM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 15, 2014, 01:45:39 AM
Anyone that comes out with the bullsiht jargon he does is an eejit
Gain lines, leaders etc etc etc
St brigids were a cracking side long before he got them
They were Mayo in colour and purpose before McStay. He is an excellent manager and without him Brigids wouldn't have won their AI. His approach that year both in how he trained the team and how he identified weaknesses that needed addressing was exceptional.
'Leaders' is such a nebulous, meaningless term, though. I see players like Caffereky, Boyle, Moran and COC, despite his years, as leaders on that Mayo team. Dillon has always been a big leader for Mayo too. Higgins and Keegan are both players who lead by example and consistency too. I really don't know many teams - Dublin included - that have as many players you could mark out as leaders as Mayo have right now.
No one was complaining about Mayo not having 'leaders' last year so I really can't buy into it being the issue this year.
The Horan era has always been about high intensity and four seasons of long campaigns and near misses will wear on any panel. There's no shame in feeling a bit wore down after two back-to-back AI finals, but it's also a problem few teams in history have ever found an immediate solution to.
I don't think the signs are terribly good for Mayo this year but it's hard to write off a team that's still bubbling in the top three or four teams in the country.
Jesus wept. Dillon is the biggest choker of them all. Man of the match performances throughout the year but when the heat is on goes missing!
QuoteJust watched the game again, Varley's point was savage, how come he can't do that every time??
I wonder that myself. Is it a confidence thing. Maybe a start for him in a match during the league might have awoken something. He goes and ruins a great score by being greedy a move or so later and not offloading to Sweeney.
We can talk all day about hunger to win Sam but without conviction in the team we will remain unconvincing. Too much over coaching takes some of the free spirit out of us. An example of this was AOS not shooting, i'd say he is told to off load to a forward rather than giving it a go himself, I'd rather see him try and kick it wide than do what he did and run into traffic. I also thought the half backs didn't know to attack or defend.
Anyone that plays golf will know that if you think in the middle of your swing this leads to a shank.
I still believe that this bunch and the management can go to well one more time. The 'last chance saloon' approach may loosen the shackles. All it will take is to be at our best for 1 1/2 games this year.
Jesus lads, Varley has had umpteen chances from the bench and starting - you're not going to see anything new at this stage.
He's always likely to get one (or maybe two) spectacular scores during a game, but he's not consistent and is as likely to balloon twice as many bad wides.
The most gutsy Derry performance in a long long time. I'm hoping this panel of players get the backing of our notoriously small number of supporters. Can do no harm, just hope we're not setup for an ambush by Donegal in 6 weeks time but i'm confident McIVer won't let complacency set in. Ulster this year is an absolute minefield.
QuoteJesus lads, Varley has had umpteen chances from the bench and starting - you're not going to see anything new at this stage.
That's exactly the point. Why do the management keep persisting with the same subs. Feeney and Barry Moran were warming up all through the 2nd half. Would have been a game that suited Drake also.
For Varley and Parsons to be shoved in ahead of those lads can only make sense to the management.
Anyhow the line and the team have enough mistakes clocked up for a season so far so we should be error free for the rest of the year.
Quote from: DennistheMenace on April 15, 2014, 09:51:49 AM
The most gutsy Derry performance in a long long time. I'm hoping this panel of players get the backing of our notoriously small number of supporters. Can do no harm, just hope we're not setup for an ambush by Donegal in 6 weeks time but i'm confident McIVer won't let complacency set in. Ulster this year is an absolute minefield.
Complacency is the last thing I would expect to happen. We've had a decent league and that's all. Donegal are champing at the bit after last year's disappointment. I expect it to be all out war and whatever team's left standing at the end will know they've come through a test. The winner of the game will not be far away!
Thank you Syferus for bringing some logic and rationale to the leadership discussion !
Re Varley ...... one single but major problem with his game - poor shot selection. "If its going to be its up to me" must be the tune ringing round in his head when he plays. Thats fine at club football where he is the 'main man' in the forward line and when he gets to shoot from less difficult positions cos the intensity and speed of the back lines he is up against is not at the level he will encounter when he wears the Mayo jersey. But when wearing the Mayo jersey, he simply has to play it smarter.
If he could improve on this then he might even be a possible starter imo .... but old dog, new tricks etc.
Quote from: highorlow on April 15, 2014, 09:55:46 AM
QuoteJesus lads, Varley has had umpteen chances from the bench and starting - you're not going to see anything new at this stage.
That's exactly the point. Why do the management keep persisting with the same subs. Feeney and Barry Moran were warming up all through the 2nd half. Would have been a game that suited Drake also.
For Varley and Parsons to be shoved in ahead of those lads can only make sense to the management.
Anyhow the line and the team have enough mistakes clocked up for a season so far so we should be error free for the rest of the year.
Because that's all they have. If Horan wanted to get a scorer onto the full forward line then Varley, who is capable of scoring outrageous points was the man. Neither Feeney nor Moran could provide that. I think Horan is dead right to give Parsons game time. He is talented and there's no point in bringing him back in unless your going to give him a chance to win a spot on the team. Mayo need something different and he can possibly provide it. He knows what Feeney and Moran bring to the table.
Mayo don't lack leaders and they don't have a Croke Park hoodoo or psychological issues they just lack that bit of class to push them beyond the best teams. Sweeney is good addition and COC might bring some of that magic dust but you can't escape the feeling that Lee Keegan would be a bigger loss to the Mayo attack than most of the forwards.
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Anyone that comes out with the bullsiht jargon he does is an eejit
Gain lines, leaders etc etc etc
St brigids were a cracking side long before he got them
You're entitled to your opinion...but i disagree. Younger players looking to make a breakthrough need this type of leadership on and off the field also. St Brigids was just one example & it took those named leaders to step up. Biggest Worry for Brigids now is how to replace these players.
Quote from: Syferus on April 15, 2014, 02:01:59 AM
'Leaders' is such a nebulous, meaningless term, though.
Strongly disagree. For the record i agreed with INDIANA on leadership in general but its clear Mayo have leaders themselves most of them in defence though.
My point is 'leadership' takes many forms and that saying a team "doesn't have enough leaders" is a pretty meaningless term on its own. You need leaders but there's no one absolute way to be a leader.
Look at the three Brigids players you picked out - Cake, cuter than any hoor in the country and a 41 year-old child on the field in both antics and enthusiasm, Mango, a calming, thinking man's player in the Earley mould and Frankie, one of the most combustible players in the country who's seething with passion at almost every juncture.
'Leadership' takes so many forms that whenever anyone says any team 'doesn't have leaders' I instantly roll my eyes. It's too lazy an excuse without qualification and in this instance I can't see how it even applies.
That Mayo team isn't full of players shrieking their responsibilities or shying away from trying to inspire others, that genuinely is a wrong reading what what happened yesterday or what happened last year or the year before.
excellent
completely agree re the leadership point
you've articulated exactly my own feelings on this far better than my own feeble attempts
not saying the lads are completely incorrect about leaders being required- but its a bit cart before the horse in how it is referenced by many (mostly in the media)
Andy moran was always a great 'leader' (before the inj esp and even now the poor hoor gets loads of grief)
Mark Lynch leads by example for Derry- nothing vocal - he always played the same way, but is now in a central position that gets him on the ball more and while he is doing nothing different from before regardingeffort or attitude, hes just on the ball and seen more.
Quote from: Zulu on April 15, 2014, 12:15:21 PM
Quote from: highorlow on April 15, 2014, 09:55:46 AM
QuoteJesus lads, Varley has had umpteen chances from the bench and starting - you're not going to see anything new at this stage.
That's exactly the point. Why do the management keep persisting with the same subs. Feeney and Barry Moran were warming up all through the 2nd half. Would have been a game that suited Drake also.
For Varley and Parsons to be shoved in ahead of those lads can only make sense to the management.
Anyhow the line and the team have enough mistakes clocked up for a season so far so we should be error free for the rest of the year.
Because that's all they have. If Horan wanted to get a scorer onto the full forward line then Varley, who is capable of scoring outrageous points was the man. Neither Feeney nor Moran could provide that. I think Horan is dead right to give Parsons game time. He is talented and there's no point in bringing him back in unless your going to give him a chance to win a spot on the team. Mayo need something different and he can possibly provide it. He knows what Feeney and Moran bring to the table.
Mayo don't lack leaders and they don't have a Croke Park hoodoo or psychological issues they just lack that bit of class to push them beyond the best teams. Sweeney is good addition and COC might bring some of that magic dust but you can't escape the feeling that Lee Keegan would be a bigger loss to the Mayo attack than most of the forwards.
agreed and as another post pointed out, a little bit more strength in the forwards in terms of 50-50 ball winnings ability.
Quote from: maigheo on April 15, 2014, 12:29:46 AM
Reading Eugene McGees colum in the Sindo would make you weep.He must head straight for the bar when he goes into Croke Park and stays there for the whole game because based on his writings he does not watch any of the games.How he gets paid for the rubbish he writes is one of the great mysteries of life.
For Mayo, this defeat is a serious setback, notably because their normally excellent backline was destroyed on many occasions.
Did he look at our finishing full back line? Were they familiar to him? How did we get on in the league semi final last year? Take a look at the scores conceded in that game?
I especially like this quote
There were no 'flash Harrys' or 'fancy Dans' on this Derry team. Just solid, well-organised and hard-working players who never lost sight of what they were supposed to do.
A lesson, perhaps, for everybody involved in the Mayo football team.What is all that about? Talk about lazy journalism!
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 15, 2014, 05:09:25 PM
Quote from: maigheo on April 15, 2014, 12:29:46 AM
Reading Eugene McGees colum in the Sindo would make you weep.He must head straight for the bar when he goes into Croke Park and stays there for the whole game because based on his writings he does not watch any of the games.How he gets paid for the rubbish he writes is one of the great mysteries of life.
For Mayo, this defeat is a serious setback, notably because their normally excellent backline was destroyed on many occasions.
Did he look at our finishing full back line? Were they familiar to him? How did we get on in the league semi final last year? Take a look at the scores conceded in that game?
I especially like this quote
There were no 'flash Harrys' or 'fancy Dans' on this Derry team. Just solid, well-organised and hard-working players who never lost sight of what they were supposed to do.
A lesson, perhaps, for everybody involved in the Mayo football team.
What is all that about? Talk about lazy journalism!
He's a bollix full stop.
Quote from: Tubberman on April 15, 2014, 09:13:06 AM
Jesus lads, Varley has had umpteen chances from the bench and starting - you're not going to see anything new at this stage.
He's always likely to get one (or maybe two) spectacular scores during a game, but he's not consistent and is as likely to balloon twice as many bad wides.
I suppose that's exactly why Horan persists with him - because if he could score like that consistently, he'd be a serious player. I'd agree with blast05 that it may well be that he thinks he needs to do it on his own and at this stage it's hard to see him changing. Awful frustrating when you know he has the potential.....
getting a wee bit pissed off with a general perception in some of the match reports i've read - that this result was more or less a Mayo c**k-up or some kind of implosion.
Derrys 14 man effort is simply not getting enough credit in certain quarters.
On a positive note, I thought Mayo made some great block downs on Sunday – great skill and can be very demoralising for the opposition (albeit not so much on this occasion).
Quote from: whiskeysteve on April 15, 2014, 05:56:57 PM
getting a wee bit pissed off with a general perception in some of the match reports i've read - that this result was more or less a Mayo c**k-up or some kind of implosion.
Derrys 14 man effort is simply not getting enough credit in certain quarters.
That's the best way to go into the final. Besides it does not matter what anyone else thinks. If you are happy with progress that's all that matters. In reality other fans want your team to fail, it human (Gaa) nature.
Quote from: whiskeysteve on April 15, 2014, 05:56:57 PM
getting a wee bit pissed off with a general perception in some of the match reports i've read - that this result was more or less a Mayo c**k-up or some kind of implosion.
Derrys 14 man effort is simply not getting enough credit in certain quarters.
You'll get no credit from anywhere until you win an All-Ireland.
After that you are immune from any criticism.
Derry deserved the win no doubt, getting good crucial scores when the opportunities were presented to them. The second goal sticks in my craw tho. Coming from Vaughan blasting the ball at the Derry keeper instead of sliding it along the deck or putting it over the bar, then the poor defending down the other end when Derry broke down the field. The opportunity should have never developed and still could have been stopped with good aggressive defending.
A few things stood out for me Sunday. Aside from the obvious lethargy and cluelessness that was dominated our last quarter performance, this was the first time I really noticed how much space we leave between our half back and full back line. I know it's been there beforehand but for some reason it really stood out the last day. Given that it looks like our normal high press defending game appears to be not as effective as last year, opposition players are breaking out more often with an ocean of space to attack into. I stated it in a previous thread that I figured that the black card was affecting us more because of how we set up to defend, on Sunday I felt players were not committing into the tackle, almost afraid to go in in case an accidental foul is interpreted as a black card offence. I think we are either going to have to become more conventional in how we defend i.e. the HB line hold back and cover the FB line more or they will have to work on their tackling to get them confident that they can tackle without conceding black card fouls.
Kick passing again let us down Sunday, as it has on a few occasions throughout the league. Again I watched as players would make runs and the ball was kicked to their wrong side. One example was Varley making a run, with the wing on his left side with his marker behind and to his right. The ball was delivered right of Varley, which meant now he had to change direction back infield. Now the defender has a better chance of intercepting or spoiling the pass as he does not have to change direction and Varley has lost some of the yardage he gained. Maybe it's an over technical way of describing it but it is a big problem for us. Kick passing into our forwards let us down against Tyrone, Dublin and Derry this year, and was an issue last September. 3 times in the AI final Conroy made runs angled toward wing side and the pass came to his infield side, again just one example. It didn't help last Sunday that our best kick passer on the pitch was played in the FF line, kept in there and never got into the game. The importance of Cillian O'Connor to developing a foot passing game to have as an option, a plan B to our normal running game and to keep the opposition guessing, is becoming evident IMO.
In spite of these reasons I wouldn't too worried yet. As someone said earlier, concerned but not panicked. We are in no worse a position than we were after last years league, and we know how we went after that. I just hope that the mental fatigue of training and playing for the full season the last three years with just Connacht titles doesn't catch up on these lads.
Fair play to Derry-that was the best performance of the league and they definitely have lit up division 1. How does Doherty's showlder compare to big Tom Cuniffe's legendary hit on Peter Harte last year?
Derry's dirty ball-winners around the middle are to be envied in Tyrone.
Quote from: whiskeysteve on April 15, 2014, 05:56:57 PM
getting a wee bit pissed off with a general perception in some of the match reports i've read - that this result was more or less a Mayo c**k-up or some kind of implosion.
Derrys 14 man effort is simply not getting enough credit in certain quarters.
Unfortunately whiskeysteve you will get no credit (nor will any big county) in beating us as the media has a default position when it comes to Mayo and our opponents due to our final losses! I thought you outplayed us comfortably enough and taught us more than a few lessons on how to play a running game in the open spaces of Croke Park.
Quote from: bucko on April 15, 2014, 10:16:39 PM
I just hope that the mental fatigue of training and playing for the full season the last three years with just Connacht titles doesn't catch up on these lads.
It is the biggest fear I have for this season and we won't know the answer unless we are gearing up for the big game come the third Sunday of September 2014!!
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Quote from: whiskeysteve on April 15, 2014, 05:56:57 PM
getting a wee bit pissed off with a general perception in some of the match reports i've read - that this result was more or less a Mayo c**k-up or some kind of implosion.
Derrys 14 man effort is simply not getting enough credit in certain quarters.
Unfortunately whiskeysteve you will get no credit (nor will any big county) in beating us as the media has a default position when it comes to Mayo and our opponents due to our final losses! I thought you outplayed us comfortably enough and taught us more than a few lessons on how to play a running game in the open spaces of Croke Park.
Quote from: bucko on April 15, 2014, 10:16:39 PM
I just hope that the mental fatigue of training and playing for the full season the last three years with just Connacht titles doesn't catch up on these lads.
It is the biggest fear I have for this season and we won't know the answer unless we are gearing up for the big game come the third Sunday of September 2014!!
You'll know your answer if you aren't.
Quote from: Syferus on April 15, 2014, 11:28:57 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on April 15, 2014, 11:24:39 PM
Quote from: whiskeysteve on April 15, 2014, 05:56:57 PM
getting a wee bit pissed off with a general perception in some of the match reports i've read - that this result was more or less a Mayo c**k-up or some kind of implosion.
Derrys 14 man effort is simply not getting enough credit in certain quarters.
Unfortunately whiskeysteve you will get no credit (nor will any big county) in beating us as the media has a default position when it comes to Mayo and our opponents due to our final losses! I thought you outplayed us comfortably enough and taught us more than a few lessons on how to play a running game in the open spaces of Croke Park.
Quote from: bucko on April 15, 2014, 10:16:39 PM
I just hope that the mental fatigue of training and playing for the full season the last three years with just Connacht titles doesn't catch up on these lads.
It is the biggest fear I have for this season and we won't know the answer unless we are gearing up for the big game come the third Sunday of September 2014!!
You'll know your answer if you aren't.
Yep that would be the thinking man's way of putting it but being a Mayoman you wouldn't accuse me of thinking now would you ;)?Up there for dancing and all that craic........ ;D ;D
Quotegetting a wee bit pissed off with a general perception in some of the match reports i've read - that this result was more or less a Mayo c**k-up or some kind of implosion.
Derrys 14 man effort is simply not getting enough credit in certain quarters.
Beating the Dubs in the final will get you credit. Mayo are seen by everyone outside the county as constant chokers at this stage so beating us is seen as easy and doesn't take any effort anymore.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 15, 2014, 05:09:25 PM
Quote from: maigheo on April 15, 2014, 12:29:46 AM
Reading Eugene McGees colum in the Sindo would make you weep.He must head straight for the bar when he goes into Croke Park and stays there for the whole game because based on his writings he does not watch any of the games.How he gets paid for the rubbish he writes is one of the great mysteries of life.
For Mayo, this defeat is a serious setback, notably because their normally excellent backline was destroyed on many occasions.
Did he look at our finishing full back line? Were they familiar to him? How did we get on in the league semi final last year? Take a look at the scores conceded in that game?
I especially like this quote
There were no 'flash Harrys' or 'fancy Dans' on this Derry team. Just solid, well-organised and hard-working players who never lost sight of what they were supposed to do.
A lesson, perhaps, for everybody involved in the Mayo football team.
What is all that about? Talk about lazy journalism!
You've lost me here, FTB, it doesn't happen often but this is one of those times.
For starters, I agree with McGee that the Mayo backline was normally excellent.
No question about it, he was dead right. But the defence on Sunday was porous as it had been throughout the league.
Sure, there will be personnel changes when the championship begins but the same can be said about every side we come up against. The Mayo defence will need to be at least as good as they were last year if we are to have any chance of getting past the quarters, never mind winning the AI.
I don't know what you mean when you refer to the finishing full back line; Derry really tore the arse out of Mayo's hopes in the final quarter.
How did we get on in the league semi last year?
As far as I remember, we got beaten by 2-16 to 0-16. I'd think 2-16 is a lot of scores to concede in any game. In any event, what happened last year won't have any bearing on what will happen this summer.
I wouldn't accuse any of the Mayo lads of being a "Flash Harry" or the likes but the fact is the Derry side was more committed and concentrated from beginning to end.
Now, there is a lesson there for the Mayo team ans management , even if it's not what McGee had in mind.
James Horan has been uncharacteristically outspoken about his team's faults after every game they've played during this league. God knows they made plenty but why did the normally unflappable James highlight his team's shortcomings at every opportunity?
After all, isn't he the man charged with rectifying them?
Seems like he's a very frustrated individual right now as things aren't going his way in training and team development.
Maybe it's time to be very afraid. ;D
Is it the fact Mayo were beat by Derry that many people are 'shocked' at or the fact it was with 14 men? You'd swear Mayo had just been beaten by Antrim in the Championship the way some people are talking.
Quote from: DennistheMenace on April 16, 2014, 02:03:31 PM
Is it the fact Mayo were beat by Derry that many people are 'shocked' at or the fact it was with 14 men? You'd swear Mayo had just been beaten by Antrim in the Championship the way some people are talking.
Such as who?
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 16, 2014, 11:57:15 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 15, 2014, 05:09:25 PM
Quote from: maigheo on April 15, 2014, 12:29:46 AM
Reading Eugene McGees colum in the Sindo would make you weep.He must head straight for the bar when he goes into Croke Park and stays there for the whole game because based on his writings he does not watch any of the games.How he gets paid for the rubbish he writes is one of the great mysteries of life.
For Mayo, this defeat is a serious setback, notably because their normally excellent backline was destroyed on many occasions.
Did he look at our finishing full back line? Were they familiar to him? How did we get on in the league semi final last year? Take a look at the scores conceded in that game?
I especially like this quote
There were no 'flash Harrys' or 'fancy Dans' on this Derry team. Just solid, well-organised and hard-working players who never lost sight of what they were supposed to do.
A lesson, perhaps, for everybody involved in the Mayo football team.
What is all that about? Talk about lazy journalism!
You've lost me here, FTB, it doesn't happen often but this is one of those times.
For starters, I agree with McGee that the Mayo backline was normally excellent.
No question about it, he was dead right. But the defence on Sunday was porous as it had been throughout the league.
Sure, there will be personnel changes when the championship begins but the same can be said about every side we come up against. The Mayo defence will need to be at least as good as they were last year if we are to have any chance of getting past the quarters, never mind winning the AI.
I don't know what you mean when you refer to the finishing full back line; Derry really tore the arse out of Mayo's hopes in the final quarter.
How did we get on in the league semi last year?
As far as I remember, we got beaten by 2-16 to 0-16. I'd think 2-16 is a lot of scores to concede in any game. In any event, what happened last year won't have any bearing on what will happen this summer.
I wouldn't accuse any of the Mayo lads of being a "Flash Harry" or the likes but the fact is the Derry side was more committed and concentrated from beginning to end.
Now, there is a lesson there for the Mayo team ans management , even if it's not what McGee had in mind.
James Horan has been uncharacteristically outspoken about his team's faults after every game they've played during this league. God knows they made plenty but why did the normally unflappable James highlight his team's shortcomings at every opportunity?
After all, isn't he the man charged with rectifying them?
Seems like he's a very frustrated individual right now as things aren't going his way in training and team development.
Maybe it's time to be very afraid. ;D
How could you be lost Lar?
We had a finishing backline that did not contain Cafferkey, Cunniffe, Barrett or even Higgins (god knows why he was not moved back when Caff went off). That our top 4 options in that line! No team can survive or will be often asked to survive a match with such losses. Jez AI champions Meath in 1997 got hammered by Offaly cos they did not have their first choice full back line.
We conceded 2-16 in last years League semi final pre black card. Would you agree that the Mayo backline was normally excellent that year as well. Did it do us any harm defensively in the Championship?
As for the Flash Harry or Fancy Dan statement, jez who are these Flash Harry or Fancy Dan players on the team? Name them? This Mayo team has been on the road for 4 years. A Derry team who have done nothing in the same time shows more hunger in one game and suddenly Mayo players are called this!
McGee is
a follow the ball football journalist. Good luck to him he makes a living out of throwing out the same stereotypes year in year out.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 16, 2014, 03:03:37 PM
How could you be lost Lar?
We had a finishing backline that did not contain Cafferkey, Cunniffe, Barrett or even Higgins (god knows why he was not moved back when Caff went off). That our top 4 options in that line! No team can survive or will be often asked to survive a match with such losses. Jez AI champions Meath in 1997 got hammered by Offaly cos they did not have their first choice full back line.
We conceded 2-16 in last years League semi final pre black card. Would you agree that the Mayo backline was normally excellent that year as well. Did it do us any harm defensively in the Championship?
As for the Flash Harry or Fancy Dan statement, jez who are these Flash Harry or Fancy Dan players on the team? Name them? This Mayo team has been on the road for 4 years. A Derry team who have done nothing in the same time shows more hunger in one game and suddenly Mayo players are called this!
McGee is a follow the ball football journalist. Good luck to him he makes a living out of throwing out the same stereotypes year in year out.
We won Division 2 last year :P
Quote from: cornerback on April 16, 2014, 05:29:18 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 16, 2014, 03:03:37 PM
How could you be lost Lar?
We had a finishing backline that did not contain Cafferkey, Cunniffe, Barrett or even Higgins (god knows why he was not moved back when Caff went off). That our top 4 options in that line! No team can survive or will be often asked to survive a match with such losses. Jez AI champions Meath in 1997 got hammered by Offaly cos they did not have their first choice full back line.
We conceded 2-16 in last years League semi final pre black card. Would you agree that the Mayo backline was normally excellent that year as well. Did it do us any harm defensively in the Championship?
As for the Flash Harry or Fancy Dan statement, jez who are these Flash Harry or Fancy Dan players on the team? Name them? This Mayo team has been on the road for 4 years. A Derry team who have done nothing in the same time shows more hunger in one game and suddenly Mayo players are called this!
McGee is a follow the ball football journalist. Good luck to him he makes a living out of throwing out the same stereotypes year in year out.
We won Division 2 last year :P
Now you have a great chance of winning division titles back to back which would be some turn around!
Again though don't expect too much credit if you send us packing again later on during the summer ;). Just make sure you down us in the All Ireland final so at least you would have Sam as some comfort to playing second fiddle to the media/internet comment orgy over Mayo's latest chapter of the "House of Pain". ;D ;D
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 16, 2014, 11:57:15 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 15, 2014, 05:09:25 PM
Quote from: maigheo on April 15, 2014, 12:29:46 AM
Reading Eugene McGees colum in the Sindo would make you weep.He must head straight for the bar when he goes into Croke Park and stays there for the whole game because based on his writings he does not watch any of the games.How he gets paid for the rubbish he writes is one of the great mysteries of life.
For Mayo, this defeat is a serious setback, notably because their normally excellent backline was destroyed on many occasions.
Did he look at our finishing full back line? Were they familiar to him? How did we get on in the league semi final last year? Take a look at the scores conceded in that game?
I especially like this quote
There were no 'flash Harrys' or 'fancy Dans' on this Derry team. Just solid, well-organised and hard-working players who never lost sight of what they were supposed to do.
A lesson, perhaps, for everybody involved in the Mayo football team.
What is all that about? Talk about lazy journalism!
You've lost me here, FTB, it doesn't happen often but this is one of those times.
For starters, I agree with McGee that the Mayo backline was normally excellent.
No question about it, he was dead right. But the defence on Sunday was porous as it had been throughout the league.
Sure, there will be personnel changes when the championship begins but the same can be said about every side we come up against. The Mayo defence will need to be at least as good as they were last year if we are to have any chance of getting past the quarters, never mind winning the AI.
I don't know what you mean when you refer to the finishing full back line; Derry really tore the arse out of Mayo's hopes in the final quarter.
How did we get on in the league semi last year?
As far as I remember, we got beaten by 2-16 to 0-16. I'd think 2-16 is a lot of scores to concede in any game. In any event, what happened last year won't have any bearing on what will happen this summer.
I wouldn't accuse any of the Mayo lads of being a "Flash Harry" or the likes but the fact is the Derry side was more committed and concentrated from beginning to end.
Now, there is a lesson there for the Mayo team ans management , even if it's not what McGee had in mind.
James Horan has been uncharacteristically outspoken about his team's faults after every game they've played during this league. God knows they made plenty but why did the normally unflappable James highlight his team's shortcomings at every opportunity?
After all, isn't he the man charged with rectifying them?
Seems like he's a very frustrated individual right now as things aren't going his way in training and team development.
Maybe it's time to be very afraid. ;D
Not sure there is much more that he can do with the team.
On an overall basis Mayo look short in terms of winning an All Ireland.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 16, 2014, 08:32:40 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 16, 2014, 11:57:15 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 15, 2014, 05:09:25 PM
Quote from: maigheo on April 15, 2014, 12:29:46 AM
Reading Eugene McGees colum in the Sindo would make you weep.He must head straight for the bar when he goes into Croke Park and stays there for the whole game because based on his writings he does not watch any of the games.How he gets paid for the rubbish he writes is one of the great mysteries of life.
For Mayo, this defeat is a serious setback, notably because their normally excellent backline was destroyed on many occasions.
Did he look at our finishing full back line? Were they familiar to him? How did we get on in the league semi final last year? Take a look at the scores conceded in that game?
I especially like this quote
There were no 'flash Harrys' or 'fancy Dans' on this Derry team. Just solid, well-organised and hard-working players who never lost sight of what they were supposed to do.
A lesson, perhaps, for everybody involved in the Mayo football team.
What is all that about? Talk about lazy journalism!
You've lost me here, FTB, it doesn't happen often but this is one of those times.
For starters, I agree with McGee that the Mayo backline was normally excellent.
No question about it, he was dead right. But the defence on Sunday was porous as it had been throughout the league.
Sure, there will be personnel changes when the championship begins but the same can be said about every side we come up against. The Mayo defence will need to be at least as good as they were last year if we are to have any chance of getting past the quarters, never mind winning the AI.
I don't know what you mean when you refer to the finishing full back line; Derry really tore the arse out of Mayo's hopes in the final quarter.
How did we get on in the league semi last year?
As far as I remember, we got beaten by 2-16 to 0-16. I'd think 2-16 is a lot of scores to concede in any game. In any event, what happened last year won't have any bearing on what will happen this summer.
I wouldn't accuse any of the Mayo lads of being a "Flash Harry" or the likes but the fact is the Derry side was more committed and concentrated from beginning to end.
Now, there is a lesson there for the Mayo team ans management , even if it's not what McGee had in mind.
James Horan has been uncharacteristically outspoken about his team's faults after every game they've played during this league. God knows they made plenty but why did the normally unflappable James highlight his team's shortcomings at every opportunity?
After all, isn't he the man charged with rectifying them?
Seems like he's a very frustrated individual right now as things aren't going his way in training and team development.
Maybe it's time to be very afraid. ;D
Not sure there is much more that he can do with the team.
On an overall basis Mayo look short in terms of winning an All Ireland.
When he has his full compliment, it will be interesting. Non starters the last day included Clarke, Cunniffe, Barrett, Seamie O Shea, Barry Moran, Ritchie Feeney, Cillian O'Connor and Gallagher. That's half a team of decent players! I can still see your point of view. None of those players would make the big difference Mayo need to get over the line AI wise.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 16, 2014, 08:43:50 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 16, 2014, 08:32:40 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 16, 2014, 11:57:15 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 15, 2014, 05:09:25 PM
Quote from: maigheo on April 15, 2014, 12:29:46 AM
Reading Eugene McGees colum in the Sindo would make you weep.He must head straight for the bar when he goes into Croke Park and stays there for the whole game because based on his writings he does not watch any of the games.How he gets paid for the rubbish he writes is one of the great mysteries of life.
For Mayo, this defeat is a serious setback, notably because their normally excellent backline was destroyed on many occasions.
Did he look at our finishing full back line? Were they familiar to him? How did we get on in the league semi final last year? Take a look at the scores conceded in that game?
I especially like this quote
There were no 'flash Harrys' or 'fancy Dans' on this Derry team. Just solid, well-organised and hard-working players who never lost sight of what they were supposed to do.
A lesson, perhaps, for everybody involved in the Mayo football team.
What is all that about? Talk about lazy journalism!
You've lost me here, FTB, it doesn't happen often but this is one of those times.
For starters, I agree with McGee that the Mayo backline was normally excellent.
No question about it, he was dead right. But the defence on Sunday was porous as it had been throughout the league.
Sure, there will be personnel changes when the championship begins but the same can be said about every side we come up against. The Mayo defence will need to be at least as good as they were last year if we are to have any chance of getting past the quarters, never mind winning the AI.
I don't know what you mean when you refer to the finishing full back line; Derry really tore the arse out of Mayo's hopes in the final quarter.
How did we get on in the league semi last year?
As far as I remember, we got beaten by 2-16 to 0-16. I'd think 2-16 is a lot of scores to concede in any game. In any event, what happened last year won't have any bearing on what will happen this summer.
I wouldn't accuse any of the Mayo lads of being a "Flash Harry" or the likes but the fact is the Derry side was more committed and concentrated from beginning to end.
Now, there is a lesson there for the Mayo team ans management , even if it's not what McGee had in mind.
James Horan has been uncharacteristically outspoken about his team's faults after every game they've played during this league. God knows they made plenty but why did the normally unflappable James highlight his team's shortcomings at every opportunity?
After all, isn't he the man charged with rectifying them?
Seems like he's a very frustrated individual right now as things aren't going his way in training and team development.
Maybe it's time to be very afraid. ;D
Not sure there is much more that he can do with the team.
On an overall basis Mayo look short in terms of winning an All Ireland.
When he has his full compliment, it will be interesting. Non starters the last day included Clarke, Cunniffe, Barrett, Seamie O Shea, Barry Moran, Ritchie Feeney, Cillian O'Connor and Gallagher. That's half a team of decent players! I can still see your point of view. None of those players would make the big difference Mayo need to get over the line AI wise.
I just think Mayo need to just do enough to get to an AI Final and then just see can they possibly raise themselves to an elevated level of performance in the final. I don't think they are capable of producing 3-4 big performances in a row. They haven't the squad to do it IMO. But they can raise it for one special day out.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 16, 2014, 08:43:50 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 16, 2014, 08:32:40 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 16, 2014, 11:57:15 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 15, 2014, 05:09:25 PM
Quote from: maigheo on April 15, 2014, 12:29:46 AM
Reading Eugene McGees colum in the Sindo would make you weep.He must head straight for the bar when he goes into Croke Park and stays there for the whole game because based on his writings he does not watch any of the games.How he gets paid for the rubbish he writes is one of the great mysteries of life.
For Mayo, this defeat is a serious setback, notably because their normally excellent backline was destroyed on many occasions.
Did he look at our finishing full back line? Were they familiar to him? How did we get on in the league semi final last year? Take a look at the scores conceded in that game?
I especially like this quote
There were no 'flash Harrys' or 'fancy Dans' on this Derry team. Just solid, well-organised and hard-working players who never lost sight of what they were supposed to do.
A lesson, perhaps, for everybody involved in the Mayo football team.
What is all that about? Talk about lazy journalism!
You've lost me here, FTB, it doesn't happen often but this is one of those times.
For starters, I agree with McGee that the Mayo backline was normally excellent.
No question about it, he was dead right. But the defence on Sunday was porous as it had been throughout the league.
Sure, there will be personnel changes when the championship begins but the same can be said about every side we come up against. The Mayo defence will need to be at least as good as they were last year if we are to have any chance of getting past the quarters, never mind winning the AI.
I don't know what you mean when you refer to the finishing full back line; Derry really tore the arse out of Mayo's hopes in the final quarter.
How did we get on in the league semi last year?
As far as I remember, we got beaten by 2-16 to 0-16. I'd think 2-16 is a lot of scores to concede in any game. In any event, what happened last year won't have any bearing on what will happen this summer.
I wouldn't accuse any of the Mayo lads of being a "Flash Harry" or the likes but the fact is the Derry side was more committed and concentrated from beginning to end.
Now, there is a lesson there for the Mayo team ans management , even if it's not what McGee had in mind.
James Horan has been uncharacteristically outspoken about his team's faults after every game they've played during this league. God knows they made plenty but why did the normally unflappable James highlight his team's shortcomings at every opportunity?
After all, isn't he the man charged with rectifying them?
Seems like he's a very frustrated individual right now as things aren't going his way in training and team development.
Maybe it's time to be very afraid. ;D
Not sure there is much more that he can do with the team.
On an overall basis Mayo look short in terms of winning an All Ireland.
When he has his full compliment, it will be interesting. Non starters the last day included Clarke, Cunniffe, Barrett, Seamie O Shea, Barry Moran, Ritchie Feeney, Cillian O'Connor and Gallagher. That's half a team of decent players! I can still see your point of view. None of those players would make the big difference Mayo need to get over the line AI wise.
This year maybe. But last year Mayo had more than enough to get over the line. No amount of white-washing can change that fact.
Interesting stuff by AO'S in the papers today. I was tempted to call it a trademark bullock run but he's only putting voice to what plenty of people think about professionalism and county amalgamation.
Maybe Roscommon is what Mayo need to get over the 'AI line'..
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 16, 2014, 03:03:37 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 16, 2014, 11:57:15 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 15, 2014, 05:09:25 PM
Quote from: maigheo on April 15, 2014, 12:29:46 AM
Reading Eugene McGees colum in the Sindo would make you weep.He must head straight for the bar when he goes into Croke Park and stays there for the whole game because based on his writings he does not watch any of the games.How he gets paid for the rubbish he writes is one of the great mysteries of life.
For Mayo, this defeat is a serious setback, notably because their normally excellent backline was destroyed on many occasions.
Did he look at our finishing full back line? Were they familiar to him? How did we get on in the league semi final last year? Take a look at the scores conceded in that game?
I especially like this quote
There were no 'flash Harrys' or 'fancy Dans' on this Derry team. Just solid, well-organised and hard-working players who never lost sight of what they were supposed to do.
A lesson, perhaps, for everybody involved in the Mayo football team.
What is all that about? Talk about lazy journalism!
You've lost me here, FTB, it doesn't happen often but this is one of those times.
For starters, I agree with McGee that the Mayo backline was normally excellent.
No question about it, he was dead right. But the defence on Sunday was porous as it had been throughout the league.
Sure, there will be personnel changes when the championship begins but the same can be said about every side we come up against. The Mayo defence will need to be at least as good as they were last year if we are to have any chance of getting past the quarters, never mind winning the AI.
I don't know what you mean when you refer to the finishing full back line; Derry really tore the arse out of Mayo's hopes in the final quarter.
How did we get on in the league semi last year?
As far as I remember, we got beaten by 2-16 to 0-16. I'd think 2-16 is a lot of scores to concede in any game. In any event, what happened last year won't have any bearing on what will happen this summer.
I wouldn't accuse any of the Mayo lads of being a "Flash Harry" or the likes but the fact is the Derry side was more committed and concentrated from beginning to end.
Now, there is a lesson there for the Mayo team ans management , even if it's not what McGee had in mind.
James Horan has been uncharacteristically outspoken about his team's faults after every game they've played during this league. God knows they made plenty but why did the normally unflappable James highlight his team's shortcomings at every opportunity?
After all, isn't he the man charged with rectifying them?
Seems like he's a very frustrated individual right now as things aren't going his way in training and team development.
Maybe it's time to be very afraid. ;D
How could you be lost Lar?
We had a finishing backline that did not contain Cafferkey, Cunniffe, Barrett or even Higgins (god knows why he was not moved back when Caff went off). That our top 4 options in that line! No team can survive or will be often asked to survive a match with such losses. Jez AI champions Meath in 1997 got hammered by Offaly cos they did not have their first choice full back line.
We conceded 2-16 in last years League semi final pre black card. Would you agree that the Mayo backline was normally excellent that year as well. Did it do us any harm defensively in the Championship?
As for the Flash Harry or Fancy Dan statement, jez who are these Flash Harry or Fancy Dan players on the team? Name them? This Mayo team has been on the road for 4 years. A Derry team who have done nothing in the same time shows more hunger in one game and suddenly Mayo players are called this!
McGee is a follow the ball football journalist. Good luck to him he makes a living out of throwing out the same stereotypes year in year out.
The FB line qasn't the reason we lost on Sunday
Quote from: macdanger2 on April 16, 2014, 10:54:58 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 16, 2014, 03:03:37 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 16, 2014, 11:57:15 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 15, 2014, 05:09:25 PM
Quote from: maigheo on April 15, 2014, 12:29:46 AM
Reading Eugene McGees colum in the Sindo would make you weep.He must head straight for the bar when he goes into Croke Park and stays there for the whole game because based on his writings he does not watch any of the games.How he gets paid for the rubbish he writes is one of the great mysteries of life.
For Mayo, this defeat is a serious setback, notably because their normally excellent backline was destroyed on many occasions.
Did he look at our finishing full back line? Were they familiar to him? How did we get on in the league semi final last year? Take a look at the scores conceded in that game?
I especially like this quote
There were no 'flash Harrys' or 'fancy Dans' on this Derry team. Just solid, well-organised and hard-working players who never lost sight of what they were supposed to do.
A lesson, perhaps, for everybody involved in the Mayo football team.
What is all that about? Talk about lazy journalism!
You've lost me here, FTB, it doesn't happen often but this is one of those times.
For starters, I agree with McGee that the Mayo backline was normally excellent.
No question about it, he was dead right. But the defence on Sunday was porous as it had been throughout the league.
Sure, there will be personnel changes when the championship begins but the same can be said about every side we come up against. The Mayo defence will need to be at least as good as they were last year if we are to have any chance of getting past the quarters, never mind winning the AI.
I don't know what you mean when you refer to the finishing full back line; Derry really tore the arse out of Mayo's hopes in the final quarter.
How did we get on in the league semi last year?
As far as I remember, we got beaten by 2-16 to 0-16. I'd think 2-16 is a lot of scores to concede in any game. In any event, what happened last year won't have any bearing on what will happen this summer.
I wouldn't accuse any of the Mayo lads of being a "Flash Harry" or the likes but the fact is the Derry side was more committed and concentrated from beginning to end.
Now, there is a lesson there for the Mayo team ans management , even if it's not what McGee had in mind.
James Horan has been uncharacteristically outspoken about his team's faults after every game they've played during this league. God knows they made plenty but why did the normally unflappable James highlight his team's shortcomings at every opportunity?
After all, isn't he the man charged with rectifying them?
Seems like he's a very frustrated individual right now as things aren't going his way in training and team development.
Maybe it's time to be very afraid. ;D
How could you be lost Lar?
We had a finishing backline that did not contain Cafferkey, Cunniffe, Barrett or even Higgins (god knows why he was not moved back when Caff went off). That our top 4 options in that line! No team can survive or will be often asked to survive a match with such losses. Jez AI champions Meath in 1997 got hammered by Offaly cos they did not have their first choice full back line.
We conceded 2-16 in last years League semi final pre black card. Would you agree that the Mayo backline was normally excellent that year as well. Did it do us any harm defensively in the Championship?
As for the Flash Harry or Fancy Dan statement, jez who are these Flash Harry or Fancy Dan players on the team? Name them? This Mayo team has been on the road for 4 years. A Derry team who have done nothing in the same time shows more hunger in one game and suddenly Mayo players are called this!
McGee is a follow the ball football journalist. Good luck to him he makes a living out of throwing out the same stereotypes year in year out.
The FB line qasn't the reason we lost on Sunday
Tell that to Eugene!
I vaguely remember decades ago a pretty harsh attack on us by Eugene after getting knocked out of the championship. In my innocence at the time I faxed (yes faxed) him a letter picking up on some of his critique.
He did respond, I didn't keep it or at least I can't find it, but as far as I remember he did give a fairly nice reply along the lines of us needing some more luck and some good forwards. He did say until we did win a final the jury will always be out on us and to get back to him when we do get across the line. Ever since I always love reading what he has to say about us.
Quote from: Syferus on April 16, 2014, 10:32:37 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 16, 2014, 08:43:50 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 16, 2014, 08:32:40 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 16, 2014, 11:57:15 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 15, 2014, 05:09:25 PM
Quote from: maigheo on April 15, 2014, 12:29:46 AM
Reading Eugene McGees colum in the Sindo would make you weep.He must head straight for the bar when he goes into Croke Park and stays there for the whole game because based on his writings he does not watch any of the games.How he gets paid for the rubbish he writes is one of the great mysteries of life.
For Mayo, this defeat is a serious setback, notably because their normally excellent backline was destroyed on many occasions.
Did he look at our finishing full back line? Were they familiar to him? How did we get on in the league semi final last year? Take a look at the scores conceded in that game?
I especially like this quote
There were no 'flash Harrys' or 'fancy Dans' on this Derry team. Just solid, well-organised and hard-working players who never lost sight of what they were supposed to do.
A lesson, perhaps, for everybody involved in the Mayo football team.
What is all that about? Talk about lazy journalism!
You've lost me here, FTB, it doesn't happen often but this is one of those times.
For starters, I agree with McGee that the Mayo backline was normally excellent.
No question about it, he was dead right. But the defence on Sunday was porous as it had been throughout the league.
Sure, there will be personnel changes when the championship begins but the same can be said about every side we come up against. The Mayo defence will need to be at least as good as they were last year if we are to have any chance of getting past the quarters, never mind winning the AI.
I don't know what you mean when you refer to the finishing full back line; Derry really tore the arse out of Mayo's hopes in the final quarter.
How did we get on in the league semi last year?
As far as I remember, we got beaten by 2-16 to 0-16. I'd think 2-16 is a lot of scores to concede in any game. In any event, what happened last year won't have any bearing on what will happen this summer.
I wouldn't accuse any of the Mayo lads of being a "Flash Harry" or the likes but the fact is the Derry side was more committed and concentrated from beginning to end.
Now, there is a lesson there for the Mayo team ans management , even if it's not what McGee had in mind.
James Horan has been uncharacteristically outspoken about his team's faults after every game they've played during this league. God knows they made plenty but why did the normally unflappable James highlight his team's shortcomings at every opportunity?
After all, isn't he the man charged with rectifying them?
Seems like he's a very frustrated individual right now as things aren't going his way in training and team development.
Maybe it's time to be very afraid. ;D
Not sure there is much more that he can do with the team.
On an overall basis Mayo look short in terms of winning an All Ireland.
When he has his full compliment, it will be interesting. Non starters the last day included Clarke, Cunniffe, Barrett, Seamie O Shea, Barry Moran, Ritchie Feeney, Cillian O'Connor and Gallagher. That's half a team of decent players! I can still see your point of view. None of those players would make the big difference Mayo need to get over the line AI wise.
This year maybe. But last year Mayo had more than enough to get over the line. No amount of white-washing can change that fact.
Interesting stuff by AO'S in the papers today. I was tempted to call it a trademark bullock run but he's only putting voice to what plenty of people think about professionalism and county amalgamation.
Maybe Roscommon is what Mayo need to get over the 'AI line'..
but would any one care if Mayo won in such Circumstances . I cant imagine any one in Ross lighting bonfires as the team made its way back to castlebar and the reception in Machale park would be equally muted.
Football is about beating Roscommon not letting the Glow in our aura
Quote from: Syferus on April 16, 2014, 10:32:37 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 16, 2014, 08:43:50 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 16, 2014, 08:32:40 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 16, 2014, 11:57:15 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 15, 2014, 05:09:25 PM
Quote from: maigheo on April 15, 2014, 12:29:46 AM
Reading Eugene McGees colum in the Sindo would make you weep.He must head straight for the bar when he goes into Croke Park and stays there for the whole game because based on his writings he does not watch any of the games.How he gets paid for the rubbish he writes is one of the great mysteries of life.
For Mayo, this defeat is a serious setback, notably because their normally excellent backline was destroyed on many occasions.
Did he look at our finishing full back line? Were they familiar to him? How did we get on in the league semi final last year? Take a look at the scores conceded in that game?
I especially like this quote
There were no 'flash Harrys' or 'fancy Dans' on this Derry team. Just solid, well-organised and hard-working players who never lost sight of what they were supposed to do.
A lesson, perhaps, for everybody involved in the Mayo football team.
What is all that about? Talk about lazy journalism!
You've lost me here, FTB, it doesn't happen often but this is one of those times.
For starters, I agree with McGee that the Mayo backline was normally excellent.
No question about it, he was dead right. But the defence on Sunday was porous as it had been throughout the league.
Sure, there will be personnel changes when the championship begins but the same can be said about every side we come up against. The Mayo defence will need to be at least as good as they were last year if we are to have any chance of getting past the quarters, never mind winning the AI.
I don't know what you mean when you refer to the finishing full back line; Derry really tore the arse out of Mayo's hopes in the final quarter.
How did we get on in the league semi last year?
As far as I remember, we got beaten by 2-16 to 0-16. I'd think 2-16 is a lot of scores to concede in any game. In any event, what happened last year won't have any bearing on what will happen this summer.
I wouldn't accuse any of the Mayo lads of being a "Flash Harry" or the likes but the fact is the Derry side was more committed and concentrated from beginning to end.
Now, there is a lesson there for the Mayo team ans management , even if it's not what McGee had in mind.
James Horan has been uncharacteristically outspoken about his team's faults after every game they've played during this league. God knows they made plenty but why did the normally unflappable James highlight his team's shortcomings at every opportunity?
After all, isn't he the man charged with rectifying them?
Seems like he's a very frustrated individual right now as things aren't going his way in training and team development.
Maybe it's time to be very afraid. ;D
Not sure there is much more that he can do with the team.
On an overall basis Mayo look short in terms of winning an All Ireland.
When he has his full compliment, it will be interesting. Non starters the last day included Clarke, Cunniffe, Barrett, Seamie O Shea, Barry Moran, Ritchie Feeney, Cillian O'Connor and Gallagher. That's half a team of decent players! I can still see your point of view. None of those players would make the big difference Mayo need to get over the line AI wise.
This year maybe. But last year Mayo had more than enough to get over the line. No amount of white-washing can change that fact.
Interesting stuff by AO'S in the papers today. I was tempted to call it a trademark bullock run but he's only putting voice to what plenty of people think about professionalism and county amalgamation.
Maybe Roscommon is what Mayo need to get over the 'AI line'..
Nah, can't agree.
The Mayo forwards weren't up to the task. Only two scored from play, Keith Higgins (0-1) and Andy Moran. (1-2) You can't win AIs with returns like that!
JH started off with K Mac, Higgins, Dillon, COC, Freezer and Andy M. During the course of the game he brought on Conroy, Carolan, Varley and Doherty.
That's a total of ten and, between the lot of them, they only contributed 1-3 from play.
To make matters even worse, a half-fit Andy Moran got 1-2 of that.
One frigging point between nine forwards in an AI final!
While I'm at it, I think only two scored from play in the final of 2012. No wonder Horan is going grey before our eyes.
However, I think we just might have won last year if COC and Andy had been fully fit. On the other hand, if Dublin weren't forced to play the last 20 mins with only 13 fit players, they could well have won by four or five.
I don't think Horan is under any illusions as he looks ahead to the beginning of the championship. If he has a full panel to pick from, IMO only Jason Gibbons has staked a claim on a starting place.
Thanks to the magnificent backs, I'm fairly confident that Mayo will make it to the quarters and quite possibly the semis also.
After that, unless James togs out himself the future looks bleak.
God, if only he had a few who were half as good as himself, I'd be a lot happier right now! ;D
Are we really just nit picking here, the brutal harsh cold reality is that if we picked the best of Mayo and Derry together that in Championship battle in September they still couldnt live with Dublin in full flow?
Quote from: NAG1 on April 17, 2014, 01:58:16 PM
Are we really just nit picking here, the brutal harsh cold reality is that if we picked the best of Mayo and Derry together that in Championship battle in September they still couldnt live with Dublin in full flow?
You'd be better served 'nit picking' over Man United there.
A lot of the Talk here seems to centre around the idea that a completlu different det of rules applies to Winning an All-Ireland to any other game.
If you good enough to come with a score of the other team in the final your good enough to win with a better luck , better finishing , a little tighter marking , a few refs decisions etc , in other words the same thing that wins or loses any game,
I believe any other talk is just Excuses unless you beleive in Ten year old ancient curses
Quote from: rosnarun on April 17, 2014, 02:47:09 PM
A lot of the Talk here seems to centre around the idea that a completlu different det of rules applies to Winning an All-Ireland to any other game.
If you good enough to come with a score of the other team in the final your good enough to win with a better luck , better finishing , a little tighter marking , a few refs decisions etc , in other words the same thing that wins or loses any game,
I believe any other talk is just Excuses unless you beleive in Ten year old ancient curses
It's actually a 63 year-old ancient curse.
Quote from: Syferus on April 17, 2014, 02:59:38 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on April 17, 2014, 02:47:09 PM
A lot of the Talk here seems to centre around the idea that a completlu different det of rules applies to Winning an All-Ireland to any other game.
If you good enough to come with a score of the other team in the final your good enough to win with a better luck , better finishing , a little tighter marking , a few refs decisions etc , in other words the same thing that wins or loses any game,
I believe any other talk is just Excuses unless you beleive in Ten year old ancient curses
It's actually a 63 year-old ancient curse.
Oh it's the 70th anniversary for your boys this year isn't it?
And ye don't even have the excuse of a curse...
Quote from: Tubberman on April 17, 2014, 03:04:38 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 17, 2014, 02:59:38 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on April 17, 2014, 02:47:09 PM
A lot of the Talk here seems to centre around the idea that a completlu different det of rules applies to Winning an All-Ireland to any other game.
If you good enough to come with a score of the other team in the final your good enough to win with a better luck , better finishing , a little tighter marking , a few refs decisions etc , in other words the same thing that wins or loses any game,
I believe any other talk is just Excuses unless you beleive in Ten year old ancient curses
It's actually a 63 year-old ancient curse.
Oh it's the 70th anniversary for your boys this year isn't it?
And ye don't even have the excuse of a curse...
We lost Senior AI finals in 46,62 and 80 probably should have won two of those. Not sure about this curse thing with Mayo? but you guys have tried everything at this stage including the selection of a Roscommon man as your captain. :-X
Quote from: ross4life on April 18, 2014, 01:58:29 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on April 17, 2014, 03:04:38 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 17, 2014, 02:59:38 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on April 17, 2014, 02:47:09 PM
A lot of the Talk here seems to centre around the idea that a completlu different det of rules applies to Winning an All-Ireland to any other game.
If you good enough to come with a score of the other team in the final your good enough to win with a better luck , better finishing , a little tighter marking , a few refs decisions etc , in other words the same thing that wins or loses any game,
I believe any other talk is just Excuses unless you beleive in Ten year old ancient curses
It's actually a 63 year-old ancient curse.
Oh it's the 70th anniversary for your boys this year isn't it?
And ye don't even have the excuse of a curse...
We lost Senior AI finals in 46,62 and 80 probably should have won two of those. Not sure about this curse thing with Mayo? but you guys have tried everything at this stage including the selection of a Roscommon man as your captain. :-X
Is it reslly that time of year again .
When are the Tom parsons Fanclub(sligo branch) having their AGM
Quote from: rosnarun on April 18, 2014, 10:43:09 AM
Quote from: ross4life on April 18, 2014, 01:58:29 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on April 17, 2014, 03:04:38 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 17, 2014, 02:59:38 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on April 17, 2014, 02:47:09 PM
A lot of the Talk here seems to centre around the idea that a completlu different det of rules applies to Winning an All-Ireland to any other game.
If you good enough to come with a score of the other team in the final your good enough to win with a better luck , better finishing , a little tighter marking , a few refs decisions etc , in other words the same thing that wins or loses any game,
I believe any other talk is just Excuses unless you beleive in Ten year old ancient curses
It's actually a 63 year-old ancient curse.
Oh it's the 70th anniversary for your boys this year isn't it?
And ye don't even have the excuse of a curse...
We lost Senior AI finals in 46,62 and 80 probably should have won two of those. Not sure about this curse thing with Mayo? but you guys have tried everything at this stage including the selection of a Roscommon man as your captain. :-X
Is it reslly that time of year again .
When are the Tom parsons Fanclub(sligo branch) having their AGM
You're severely underselling young Davy Drake and Keith Rodgers.
you gotta love the drake
Was slated in here for calling freeman a coward and rightly so, it was an awful way to describe the lad.
" he is too conscious of the hit comin in just before he tries to gain possession " much better way to describe his game, let's just say a man said it who knows a fair bit about the game.