16th October
Preliminary Round
Cavan Gaels(Cavan) v Gleann tSuilí(Donegal)
3-30pm Breffni Park
Ciaran Brannigan
30th October
Quarter Finals
(Dromore/Clonoe)Tyrone v (Kilrea/Ballinderry)Derry (Tyrone venue)
St Galls(Antrim) v (Crossmaglen Rangers/Ballymacnab)Armagh (Antrim venue)
Roslea Shamrocks(Fermanagh) v (Burren/Clonduff)Down (Fermanagh venue)
Latton O'Rahillys(Monaghan) v Cavan or Donegal (Monaghan v Cavan (Monaghan venue) Monaghan v Donegal (Donegal venue))
13th November
Semi Finals:
Tyrone/Derry v Antrim/Armagh
Fermanagh/Down v Monaghan or Cavan/Donegal
27th November
Final
(Extra Time - if required - in all games up to and including the Semi Finals)
Dia Sathairn 15-10-11
7-00pm Burren v Clonduff
Dia Domhnaigh 16-10-11
3-15pm Kilrea v Ballinderry
4-00pm Crossmaglen Rangers v Ballymacnab
Ulster Intermediate Football Club Championship
16th October
Preliminary Round:
Drumgoon(Cavan) v All Saints(Antrim) (Breffni Park)
1-45pm Robert O'Donnell
30th October
Quarter Finals:
Tyrone v Carrickmacross Emmets(Monaghan) (Tyrone venue)
Derry v Down (Derry venue)
Culloville Blues(Armagh) v Donegal (Armagh venue)
Irvinestown St Molaises(Fermanagh) v Cavan or Antrim (Fermanagh v Cavan (Fermanagh venue) Fermanagh v Antrim (Antrim venue))
13th November
Semi Finals:
Tyrone/Monaghan v Derry/Down
Armagh/Donegal v Fermanagh or Cavan/Antrim
27th November
Final
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Ulster Junior Football Club Championship
30th October
Quarter Finals:
Shercock(Cavan) v Cremartin(Monaghan)
Breffni Park
Donegal v Bredagh(Down) (Ballybofey)
Éire Óg(Armagh) v O'Donnells(Antrim) (Athletic Grounds)
Doire Trasna(Derry) v Tyrone (Celtic Park)
13th November
Semi Finals:
Cavan/Monaghan v Donegal/Down
Armagh/Antrim v Tyrone/Derry
27th November
Final
Ulster Senior Hurling Club Championship
9th October
Semi Final:
Loughgiel Shamrocks(Antrim) 2-18 Kevin Lynch Hurling Club(Derry) 1-05
Casement Park
Semi Final:
(If Keady win Armagh Senior Hurling Championship) - They didn't.
Armagh v Down
23rd October
Final
Loughgiel Shamrocks v Ballycran St Josephs
3-00pm Casement Park
Ulster Intermediate Hurling Club Championship
(If any other team than Keady win the Armagh Senior Hurling Championship then they will compete in the Ulster Intermediate Championship in 2011)
(Antrim, Armagh, Down, Derry, Fermanagh, Monaghan and Tyrone)
2nd October
Quarter Finals:
Kilclief Ben Dearg(Down) 4-08 Castleblayney(Monaghan) 2-25
3-30pm Páirc Esler
Gerard Devlin
Middletown Na Fianna(Armagh) 2-21 Carrickmore Éire Óg(Tyrone) 1-11
3-30pm Crossmaglen
Jamie Clarke
Lámh Dhearg(Antrim) - bye.
9th October
Semi Finals:
Lisbellaw St Patricks(Fermanagh) 5-08 Castleblayney 5-11
3-30pm Clones
Colum Cunning
Lámh Dhearg 2-09 Middletown Na Fianna 3-11
1-45pm Casement Park
Paul Braniff
23rd October
Final
Middletown Na Fianna v Castleblayney
3-00pm Páirc Esler
Ulster Junior Hurling Club Championship
(If Castleblayney or Inniskeen win the Monaghan championship, or if Lisbellaw win the Fermanagh championship or Naomh Colum Cille win the Tyrone championship then they will compete in the Ulster Intermediate Championship in 2011, unless Comhairle Uladh take the head staggers and change their minds)
25th September
First Round:
Lisnaskea Emmettts(Fermanagh) 2-04 Na Magha(Derry) 1-13
2nd October
Quarter Finals:
Carryduff(Down) 0-09 Creggan Kickhams(Antrim) 5-19
1-45pm Páirc Esler
Eamon Hassan
(Strabane Shamrocks(Tyrone) v Burt(Donegal))
Healy Park Omagh
Liam McAuley
Na Magha 2-12 Monaghan Harps 1-12
3-30pm Celtic Park
Owen Elliot
9th October
Semi Finals:
Ballymachugh(Cavan) 0-07 Creggan Kickhams 1-15
1-45pm Clones
John Devlin
(Tyrone/Donegal v Na Magha)
23rd October
Final
Creggan Kickhams
Donegal Senior Football Championship
First Round - First Leg
4-00pm An Clochán Liath 0-03 Naomh Adhamhnáin 0-03
3-00pm Na Cealla Beaga 0-06 Cill Chartha 0-14
Full Time
4-00pm An Clochán Liath 0-03 Naomh Adhamhnáin 0-05
In added Time - 1st Half
4-30pm Gaoth Dobhair 0-02 An Tearmann 0-00
4-30pm Gaoth Dobhair 1-05 An Tearmann 0-01
2nd Half just started.
An Tearmann down to 14.
4-00pm An Clochán Liath 0-07 Naomh Adhamhnáin 0-09
No joy for Declan Bonner and his team at home.
3-00pm Málainn 2-12 Gleann Fhinne 3-12
3-45pm Bun Dobhráin 0-09 Na Ceithre Maistirí 2-13
4-30pm Gaoth Dobhair 1-09 An Tearmann 0-03
5-35pm Ard a' Rátha 0-00 Cloich Cheann Fhaola 0-01
6-32pm Gleann tSuilí 0-03 Naomh Conaill 0-02
Last of the 1st Round - 1st Leg games.
Gleann tSuilí take on last year's Champions Naomh Conaill who reached the Ulster Final.
6-32pm Gleann tSuilí 0-03 Naomh Conaill 0-02
Half Time score.
Naomh Conaill with the wind in the 2nd Half.
6-32pm Gleann tSuilí 0-03 Naomh Conaill 0-03
2nd Half
6-32pm Gleann tSuilí 0-03 Naomh Conaill 0-04
6-32pm Gleann tSuilí 0-04 Naomh Conaill 0-04
9 minutes gone - 2nd Half
6-32pm Gleann tSuilí 0-05 Naomh Conaill 0-04
6-32pm Gleann tSuilí 0-06 Naomh Conaill 0-06
Donegal Senior Football Championship 2011
First Round - First Leg Games
21-05-11
7-00pm Seán MacCumhaill 0-10 Naomh Mícheál 0-12
22-05-11
3-00pm Na Cealla Beaga 0-06 Cill Chartha 0-14
3-00pm Málainn 2-12 Gleann Fhinne 3-12
3-45pm Bun Dobhráin 0-09 Na Ceithre Maistirí 2-13
4-00pm An Clochán Liath 0-07 Naomh Adhamhnáin 0-09
4-30pm Gaoth Dobhair 1-12 An Tearmann 0-05
5-35pm Ard a' Rátha 2-09 Cloich Cheann Fhaola 0-10
6-32pm Gleann tSuilí 0-06 Naomh Conaill 0-06
Donegal keeper Papa Durkan scored 1-03 from FF yesterday for Four Masters. Murphy is to start in nets against Cavan.
Donegal Senior Football Championship 2011
First Round Games
02-07-11
Bun Dobhráin 0-09 Na Ceithre Maistirí 2-13
Na Ceithre Maistirí 1-14 Bun Dobhráin 0-12
Málainn 2-12 Gleann Fhinne 3-12
Gleann Fhinne 2-10 Málainn 1-09
Na Cealla Beaga 0-06 Cill Chartha 0-14
Cill Chartha 3-15 Na Cealla Beaga 1-07
An Clochán Liath 0-07 Naomh Adhamhnáin 0-09
Naomh Adhamhnáin 0-11 An Clochán Liath 1-08
Na Ceithre Maistirí, Gleann Fhinne, Cill Chartha and Naomh Adhamhnáin go through to the Quarter Finals.
03-07-11
Gleann tSuilí 0-06 Naomh Conaill 0-06
3-30pm Naomh Conaill 0-00 Gleann tSuilí 0-00
Gaoth Dobhair 1-12 An Tearmann 0-05
5-30pm An Tearmann 0-00 Gaoth Dobhair 0-00
Seán MacCumhaill 0-10 Naomh Mícheál 0-12
6-00pm Naomh Mícheál 0-00 Seán MacCumhaill 0-00
Ard a' Rátha 2-09 Cloich Cheann Fhaola 0-10
7-30pm Cloich Cheann Fhaola 0-00 Ard a' Rátha 0-00
Paddy mcbearty scored 3.04 today for kilcar all from play as well that will do his confidence no harm ahead of the ulster final
Gleann tSuilí 0-06 Naomh Conaill 0-06
Naomh Conaill 2-06 Gleann tSuilí 1-10
Last year's Ulster Finalists go out of the Comórtas.
Donegal Senior Football Championship 2011
First Round - Second Leg Games
02-07-11
Bun Dobhráin 0-09 Na Ceithre Maistirí 2-13
Na Ceithre Maistirí 1-14 Bun Dobhráin 0-12
Málainn 2-12 Gleann Fhinne 3-12
Gleann Fhinne 2-10 Málainn 1-09
Na Cealla Beaga 0-06 Cill Chartha 0-14
Cill Chartha 3-15 Na Cealla Beaga 1-07
An Clochán Liath 0-07 Naomh Adhamhnáin 0-09
Naomh Adhamhnáin 0-11 An Clochán Liath 1-08
03-07-11
Gleann tSuilí 0-06 Naomh Conaill 0-06
Naomh Conaill 2-06 Gleann tSuilí 1-10
Gaoth Dobhair 1-12 An Tearmann 0-05
An Tearmann 0-08 Gaoth Dobhair 1-09
Seán MacCumhaill 0-10 Naomh Mícheál 0-12
Naomh Mícheál 2-13 Seán MacCumhaill 1-06
Ard a' Rátha 2-09 Cloich Cheann Fhaola 0-10
Cloich Cheann Fhaola 0-16 Ard a' Rátha 2-09
Donegal Senior Football Championship
Quarter Finals:
Gaoth Dobhair v Naomh Mícheál
Gleann tSuilí v Naomh Adhamhnáin
Gleann Fhinne v Na Ceithre Maistirí
Cloich Cheann Fhaola/Ard a Rátha v Cill Chartha
06-08-11
Donegal Senior Football Championhip
1st Round Play Off:
6-00pm Ard a Rátha v Cloich Cheann Fhaola
Donegal Senior Football Championship
Quarter Final:
7-30pm Gleann Fhinne v Na Ceithre Maistirí
07-08-11
Donegal Senior Football Championship
Quarter Finals:
3-00pm Gleann tSuilí v Naomh Adhamhnáin
6-30pm Gaoth Dobhair v Naomh Mícheál
06-08-11
Donegal Senior Football Championhip
1st Round Play Off:
Árd a Rátha 2-10 Cloich Cheann Fhaola 0-07
Árd a' Rátha through to meet Cill Chartha in the Quarter Finals.
Donegal Senior Football Championship
Quarter Final:
Gleann Fhinne 2-06 Na Ceithre Maistirí 1-07
Sure you could hear the din as Gleann Fhinne motored through to the Semi Finals. Bee Beep.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5dg4MlHU2A
The pockets of our greatcoats full of barley...
No kitchens on the run, no striking camp...
We moved quick and sudden in our own country.
The priest lay behind ditches with the trmap.
A people hardly marching... on the hike...
We found new tactics happening each day:
We'd cut through reins and rider with the pike
And stampede cattle into infantry,
Then retreat through hedges where cavalry must be thrown.
Until... on Vinegar Hill... the final conclave.
Terraced thousands died, shaking scythes at cannon.
The hillside blushed, soaked in our broken wave.
They buried us without shroud or coffin
And in August... the barley grew up out of the grave.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv4ifmS7H20&feature=related
The best version. Kathleen Largey RIP.
Donegal Senior Football Championship Quarter Final:
Naomh Adhamhnáin 0-01 Gleann tSuilí 0-00
Micheal Murphy has started.
Naomh Adhamhnáin 0-04 Gleann tSuilí 0-02
18 minutes gone.
Naomh Adhamhnáin 0-05 Gleann tSuilí 0-05
Half Time
Why is this not on the County section?
Naomh Adhamhnáin 0-07 Gleann tSuilí 0-05
5 minutes gone - 2nd Half
Quote from: Carbery on August 07, 2011, 04:03:32 PM
Why is this not on the County section?
There is no Donegal county section. Not enough of us here to warrant it.
Naomh Adhamhnáin 0-07 Gleann tSuilí 0-09
Naomh Adhamhnáin 0-09 Gleann tSuilí 0-09
Sin é.
Replay required.
Quote from: drici on August 07, 2011, 04:35:51 PM
Naomh Adhamhnáin 0-09 Gleann tSuilí 0-09
Sin é.
Replay required.
Christ know when that will be played!
Quote from: Carbery on August 07, 2011, 04:03:32 PM
Why is this not on the County section?
Which particular County section on the Board would you prefer the Ulster Club Football Championship to be on for your perusal?
Donegal Senior Football Championship
1st Round Play Off:
Árd a Rátha 2-10 Cloich Cheann Fhaola 0-07
Donegal Senior Football Championship
Quarter Finals:
Gleann Fhinne 2-06 Na Ceithre Maistirí 0-07
Gleann tSuilí 0-09 Naomh Adhamhnáin 0-09
Gaoth Dobhair 1-10 Naomh Mícheál 1-14
Donegal Senior Football Championship
Semi Finals:
Gleann tSuilí/Naomh Adhamhnáin v Árd a' Rátha/Cill Chartha
Gleann Fhinne v Naomh Mícheál
Armagh Senior Football Championship Quarter Finals:
(All games in the Athletic Grounds)
Friday 2nd September
8-00pm Armagh Harps v Crossmaglen Rangers
Saturday 3rd September
6-00pm Granemore v Maghery
7-30pm Pearse Óg v St.Patricks
Monday 5th September
8.00pm Ballymacnab v Clan na Gael
SENIOR CHAMPIONSHIP (Sat 10th / Sun 11th September)
· Coleraine v Loup
· Ballinderry v Bellaghy
· Slaughtneil v Kilrea
· Dungiven v Ballinascreen
Monaghan SFC
Saturday 3rd Sep
Venue
6 15 PM: Clontibret O'Neills --- --- Magheracloone : Inniskeen
04-09-11
Donegal Senior Football Championship
Quarter Final Replay:
2-00pm Gleann tSuilí v Naomh Adhamhnáin
Quarter Final:
5-30pm Árd a' Rátha v Cill Chartha
Antrim Senior Football Championship
Semi Finals:
02-09-2011
Lámh Dhearg v Creggan
8-00pm Casement Park
Patrick Mullan
03-09-2011
St Galls v St Brigids
7-45pm Casement Park
Gregory Walsh
Antrim Senior Football Championship
Semi Finals:
02-09-2011
Lámh Dhearg 0-11 Creggan 0-09
03-09-2011
St Galls 0-19 St Brigids 1-06
Armagh Senior Football Championship Quarter Finals:
(All games in the Athletic Grounds)
Friday 2nd September
Armagh Harps 1-06 Crossmaglen Rangers 6-12
Saturday 3rd September
Granemore 2-12 Maghery 2-07
Pearse Óg 2-11 St.Patricks 2-04
Monday 5th September
8.00pm Ballymacnab v Clan na Gael
Quote from: Farneylawd2011 on August 28, 2011, 04:22:17 PM
Monaghan SFC
Saturday 3rd Sep
Venue
6 15 PM: Clontibret O'Neills --- --- Magheracloone : Inniskeen
Clontibret 0-11 Magheracloone 1-09
Magheracloone v Scotstown in semi 1
Donegal Senior Football Championship
Quarter Final Replay:
Gleann tSuilí 1-09 Naomh Adhamhnáin 0-08
Quarter Final:
Árd a' Rátha 0-09 Cill Chartha 1-10
Donegal Senior Football Championship
Semi Finals:
Gleann tSuilí v Cill Chartha
Gleann Fhinne v Naomh Mícheál
Armagh Senior Football Championship Quarter Finals:
(All games in the Athletic Grounds)
Friday 2nd September
Armagh Harps 1-06 Crossmaglen Rangers 6-12
Saturday 3rd September
Granemore 2-12 Maghery 2-07
Pearse Óg 2-11 St.Patricks 2-04
Monday 5th September
Ballymacnab 4-12 Clan na Gael 0-04
Armagh Senior Football Championship
Semi Finals:
Crossmaglen Rangers v Pearse Óg
Ballymacnab v Granemore
16th October
Preliminary Round
(Belturbet/Castlerahan/Cavan Gaels/Ballinagh)Cavan v (Gleann tSuilí/Cill Chartha/Gleann Fhinne/Naomh Mícheál)Donegal (Cavan venue)
30th October
Quarter Finals
(Ardboe/Dromore/Coalisland/Omagh/Carrickmore/Clonoe/Moortown/Derrylaughan)Tyrone v (Coleraine/Loup/Ballinderry/Bellaghy/Slaughtneil/Kilrea/Dungiven/Ballinascreen)Derry (Tyrone venue)
(St Galls/Lámh Dhearg)Antrim v (Crossmaglen Rangers/Pearse Óg/Ballymacnab/Granemore)Armagh (Antrim venue)
(Roslea/Devenish/Tempo/Teemore)Fermanagh v (Ballyholland/Rostrevor/Loughinisland/Clonduff/Mayobridge/Burren/Bryansford/Kilcoo)Down (Fernanagh venue)
(Magheracloone/Scotstown/Latton O'Rahillys/Ballybay)Monaghan v Cavan or Donegal (Monaghan v Cavan (Monaghan venue) Monaghan v Donegal (Donegal venue))
13th November
Semi Finals:
Tyrone/Derry v Antrim/Armagh
Fermanagh/Down v Monaghan or Cavan/Donegal
27th November
Final
(Extra Time - if required - in all games up to and including the Semi Finals)
Big shock in the Cork Championship on Saturday. Munster Champions Nemo Rangers beaten in the Quarter Final by Avondhu. This result could be very important to whoever wins Ulster this year.
The Kerry champions then will be favourites to come out of Munster. But that is a serious shock alright
Castlehaven are likely to come out of Cork, one semi is UCC v Avondhu and neither can represent Cork as they are considered amalgamations and the Haven play the winners of Newcestown and Carbery and should be well fit to beat both of them.
I know that Avondhu can not play in the Munster Club Championship, but are you sure that UCC can not play either. I think that UCD played in the Leinster Club Hurling Championship 6 or 7 years ago.
Quote from: Onlooker on September 06, 2011, 03:53:04 PM
I know that Avondhu can not play in the Munster Club Championship, but are you sure that UCC can not play either. I think that UCD played in the Leinster Club Hurling Championship 6 or 7 years ago.
I don't think that UCC are an affiliated club the way UCD are/were. I know they also played us in 2000 but I have a feeling the rules changed since then.
O'Donnells from Belfast won the Junior Football title last year and are in the final of the Antrim Junior final again this year!! They won't be able to go into the Ulster Championship either as they played in it last year...
Didn't even know this rule existed. Makes even more sense that Tyrone have the winners of intermediate and junior champs promoted.
QuoteO'Donnells from Belfast won the Junior Football title last year and are in the final of the Antrim Junior final again this year!! They won't be able to go into the Ulster Championship either as they played in it last year...
Proper order. You can't have these big Belfast teams winning everything, it is bad enough them being likely to win the senior.
Quote from: armaghniac on September 06, 2011, 05:37:47 PM
QuoteO'Donnells from Belfast won the Junior Football title last year and are in the final of the Antrim Junior final again this year!! They won't be able to go into the Ulster Championship either as they played in it last year...
Proper order. You can't have these big Belfast teams winning everything, it is bad enough them being likely to win the senior.
Hold that claim by me, heard tonight it may not be the case!!
16th October
Preliminary Round
(Belturbet/Castlerahan/Cavan Gaels/Ballinagh)Cavan v (Gleann tSuilí/Cill Chartha/Gleann Fhinne/Naomh Mícheál)Donegal (Cavan venue)
30th October
Quarter Finals
(Ardboe/Dromore/Coalisland/Omagh/Carrickmore/Clonoe/Moortown/Derrylaughan)Tyrone v (Coleraine/Loup/Ballinderry/Bellaghy/Slaughtneil/Kilrea/Dungiven/Ballinascreen)Derry (Tyrone venue)
(St Galls/Lámh Dhearg)Antrim v (Crossmaglen Rangers/Pearse Óg/Ballymacnab/Granemore)Armagh (Antrim venue)
(Roslea/Devenish/Tempo/Teemore)Fermanagh v (Ballyholland/Rostrevor/Loughinisland/Clonduff/Mayobridge/Burren/Bryansford/Kilcoo)Down (Fernanagh venue)
(Magheracloone/Scotstown/Latton O'Rahillys/Ballybay)Monaghan v Cavan or Donegal (Monaghan v Cavan (Monaghan venue) Monaghan v Donegal (Donegal venue))
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Dia hAoine 09-09-11
8-00pm Tempo v Teemore
8-30pm Ardboe v Dromore
8-30pm Mayobridge v Burren
Dia Sathairn 10-09-11
5-30pm Loughinisland v Clonduff
6-00pm Belturbet v Castlerahan
6-00pm Slaughtneil v Kilrea
Dia Domhnaigh 11-09-11
2-30pm Gleann Fhinne v Naomh Mícheál
2-30pm Cavan Gaels v Ballinagh
2-45pm Coleraine v Loup
3-30pm Roslea v Devenish
5-00pm Dungiven v Ballinascreen
5-00pm Ballyholland v Rostrevor
5-30pm Gleann tSuilí v Cill Chartha
5-30pm Coalisland v Omagh
6-30pm Bryansford v Kilcoo
6-30pm Ballinderry v Bellaghy
Right, memorise these and whack up any changes/differences.
(Edit:matches in Fermanagh also this weekend)
Dia hAoine 09-09-11
Ardboe 0-10 Dromore 0-10
Mayobridge 1-08 Burren 1-11
Quote from: drici on September 10, 2011, 03:01:05 AM
Dia hAoine 09-09-11
Ardboe 0-10 Dromore 0-10
Mayobridge 1-08 Burren 1-11
Fermanagh was left out.... Teemore beat Tempo last night and on Sunday, Devenish face Roslea in the other semi
Quote from: sammymaguire on September 10, 2011, 08:01:07 AM
Fermanagh was left out.... Teemore beat Tempo last night and on Sunday, Devenish face Roslea in the other semi
What time is the marra's match?
3.30
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 06, 2011, 11:02:44 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 06, 2011, 05:37:47 PM
QuoteO'Donnells from Belfast won the Junior Football title last year and are in the final of the Antrim Junior final again this year!! They won't be able to go into the Ulster Championship either as they played in it last year...
Proper order. You can't have these big Belfast teams winning everything, it is bad enough them being likely to win the senior.
Hold that claim by me, heard tonight it may not be the case!!
MR I think it's the case that if a team wins the Ulster then they can't play at the same grade again the following year (excluding Senior grade). As O'D's 'lost the plot' in the first round in Ulster last year they should be ok if they win Antrim JFC.
Loughinisland 0-13 Clonduff 3-07
Slaughtneil 0-11 Kilrea 2-06
Belturbet 1-04 Castlerahan 1-08
Quote from: aontroim on September 10, 2011, 05:24:48 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 06, 2011, 11:02:44 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 06, 2011, 05:37:47 PM
QuoteO'Donnells from Belfast won the Junior Football title last year and are in the final of the Antrim Junior final again this year!! They won't be able to go into the Ulster Championship either as they played in it last year...
Proper order. You can't have these big Belfast teams winning everything, it is bad enough them being likely to win the senior.
Hold that claim by me, heard tonight it may not be the case!!
MR I think it's the case that if a team wins the Ulster then they can't play at the same grade again the following year (excluding Senior grade). As O'D's 'lost the plot' in the first round in Ulster last year they should be ok if they win Antrim JFC.
Aye understatement alright
QuoteAs O'D's 'lost the plot' in the first round in Ulster last year
What was St Galls excuse?
Beat by a better team, as for the sending off well if you watched the match you'd have know why Karl reacted. Some lads want to play football, others would like to niggle players to get a reaction ;).
If the two meet again then it will probably be the same result, I've said it for years that Cross are some team. We have yet to beat them and we may not.
Cavan Gaels 0-04 Ballinagh 0-04
Half Time
Coleraine 0-01 Loup 0-03
Half Time
Gleann Fhinne 1-06 Naomh Mícheál 1-15
Cavan Gaels 2-10 Ballinagh 0-07
Coleraine 0-04 Loup 0-06
Roslea 1-06 Devenish 1-06
Dungiven 0-05 Ballinascreen 0-02
Half Time
Ballyholland 0-07 Rostrevor 1-01
Half Time
Devenish 1-6 1-6 Roslea FT
Dungiven 1-10 Ballinascreen 0-05
Ballinascreen finish with 13.
Ballyholland 0-09 Rostrevor 2-05
Ballinderry 0-07 Bellaghy 0-04
Half Time
Gleann tSuilí 1-07 Cill Chartha 0-07
Coalisland 0-10 Omagh 1-07
Ballinderry 0-10 Bellaghy 0-09
Dia hAoine 09-09-11
Teemore 2-09 Tempo 1-11
Ardboe 0-10 Dromore 0-10
Mayobridge 1-08 Burren 1-11
Dia Sathairn 10-09-11
Loughinisland 0-13 Clonduff 3-07
Belturbet 1-04 Castlerahan 1-08
Slaughtneil 0-11 Kilrea 2-06
Dia Domhnaigh 11-09-11
Gleann Fhinne 1-06 Naomh Mícheál 1-15
Cavan Gaels 2-10 Ballinagh 0-07
Coleraine 0-04 Loup 0-06
Roslea 1-06 Devenish 1-06
Dungiven 1-10 Ballinascreen 0-05
Ballyholland 0-09 Rostrevor 2-05
Gleann tSuilí 1-07 Cill Chartha 0-07
Coalisland 0-10 Omagh 1-07
Bryansford 0-09 Kilcoo 1-12
Ballinderry 0-10 Bellaghy 0-09
16th October
Preliminary Round
(Castlerahan/Cavan Gaels)Cavan v (Gleann tSuilí/Naomh Mícheál)Donegal (Cavan venue)
30th October
Quarter Finals
(Ardboe/Dromore/Coalisland/Omagh/Carrickmore/Clonoe/Moortown/Derrylaughan)Tyrone v (Loup/Kilrea/Ballinderry/Dungiven)Derry (Tyrone venue)
(St Galls/Lámh Dhearg)Antrim v (Crossmaglen Rangers/Pearse Óg/Ballymacnab/Granemore)Armagh (Antrim venue)
(Roslea/Devenish/Teemore)Fermanagh v (Rostrevor/Burren/Clonduff/Kilcoo)Down (Fermanagh venue)
(Magheracloone/Scotstown/Latton O'Rahillys/Ballybay)Monaghan v Cavan or Donegal (Monaghan v Cavan (Monaghan venue) Monaghan v Donegal (Donegal venue))
13th November
Semi Finals:
Tyrone/Derry v Antrim/Armagh
Fermanagh/Down v Monaghan or Cavan/Donegal
27th November
Final
(Extra Time - if required - in all games up to and including the Semi Finals)
33-1.
16th October
Preliminary Round
(Castlerahan/Cavan Gaels)Cavan v (Gleann tSuilí/Naomh Mícheál)Donegal (Cavan venue)
30th October
Quarter Finals
(Ardboe/Dromore/Coalisland/Omagh/Carrickmore/Clonoe/Moortown/Derrylaughan)Tyrone v (Loup/Kilrea/Ballinderry/Dungiven)Derry (Tyrone venue)
(St Galls/Lámh Dhearg)Antrim v (Crossmaglen Rangers/Pearse Óg/Ballymacnab/Granemore)Armagh (Antrim venue)
(Roslea/Devenish/Teemore)Fermanagh v (Rostrevor/Burren/Clonduff/Kilcoo)Down (Fermanagh venue)
(Magheracloone/Scotstown/Latton O'Rahillys/Ballybay)Monaghan v Cavan or Donegal (Monaghan v Cavan (Monaghan venue) Monaghan v Donegal (Donegal venue))
Dia hAoine 16-09-11
8-30pm Carrickmore v Clonoe
Dia Sathairn 17-09-11
5-30pm Moortown v Derrylaughan
8-00pm Roslea v Devenish (Replay)
Dia hAoine 16-09-11
Carrickmore 0-06 Clonoe 0-06
Moortown 0-07 Derrylaughan 0-06
Half Time
Moortown 1-10 Derrylaughan 1-13
Roslea 1-03 Devenish 0-03
Half Time
Roslea 2-06 Devenish 0-09
16th October
Preliminary Round
(Castlerahan/Cavan Gaels)Cavan v (Gleann tSuilí/Naomh Mícheál)Donegal (Cavan venue)
30th October
Quarter Finals
(Ardboe/Dromore/Coalisland/Omagh/Carrickmore/Clonoe/Derrylaughan)Tyrone v (Loup/Kilrea/Ballinderry/Dungiven)Derry (Tyrone venue)
(St Galls/Lámh Dhearg)Antrim v (Crossmaglen Rangers/Pearse Óg/Ballymacnab/Granemore)Armagh (Antrim venue)
(Roslea/Teemore)Fermanagh v (Rostrevor/Burren/Clonduff/Kilcoo)Down (Fernanagh venue)
(Magheracloone/Scotstown/Latton O'Rahillys/Ballybay)Monaghan v Cavan or Donegal (Monaghan v Cavan (Monaghan venue) Monaghan v Donegal (Donegal venue))
Monaghan SFC
Friday 23rd Sep
8:15 PM Scotstown V Magheracloone Inniskeen
Sat 24th Sep
7 15 PM Latton O'Rahilly GAA Club --- --- Ballybay Emyvale
Should have been a double header to attract a crowd but thats the way the county board thinks .
16th October
Preliminary Round
(Castlerahan/Cavan Gaels)Cavan v (Gleann tSuilí/Naomh Mícheál)Donegal (Cavan venue)
30th October
Quarter Finals
(Ardboe/Dromore/Coalisland/Omagh/Carrickmore/Clonoe/Derrylaughan)Tyrone v (Loup/Kilrea/Ballinderry/Dungiven)Derry (Tyrone venue)
(St Galls/Lámh Dhearg)Antrim v (Crossmaglen Rangers/Pearse Óg/Ballymacnab/Granemore)Armagh (Antrim venue)
(Roslea/Teemore)Fermanagh v (Rostrevor/Burren/Clonduff/Kilcoo)Down (Fermanagh venue)
(Magheracloone/Scotstown/Latton O'Rahillys/Ballybay)Monaghan v Cavan or Donegal (Monaghan v Cavan (Monaghan venue) Monaghan v Donegal (Donegal venue))
Dia hAoine 23-09-11
8-15pm Magheracloone v Scotstown
Dia Sathairn 24-09-11
5-15pm Coalisland v Omagh (Replay)
7-00pm Ballymacnab v Granemore
7-00pm St Galls v Lámh Dhearg
7-15pm Latton O'Rahillys v Ballybay
7-15pm Clonduff v Kilcoo
Dia Domhnaigh 25-09-11
2-30pm Loup v Kilrea
3-00pm Ardboe v Dromore (Replay)
4-30pm Ballinderry v Dungiven
4-45pm Carrickmore v Clonoe (Replay)
6-00pm Crossmaglen Rangers v Pearse Óg
7-15pm Rostrevor v Burren
8-15pm Magheracloone 0-05 Scotstown 1-02
Half Time
Magheracloone 0-12 Scotstown 2-07
Coalisland 2-10 Omagh 2-15
7-00pm St Galls 0-09 Lámh Dhearg 0-07
Half Time
Ballymacnab 0-05 Granemore 0-09
Half Time
7-15pm Clonduff 0-06 Kilcoo 1-05
Half Time
Latton O'Rahillys 0-04 Ballybay 1-04
Half Time
Hannahstown hanging in. SG 0-12 LD 0-10.
Now SG 0-14 LD 0-11.
Good to see someone in Antrim giving them a game, LD could be a force in a year or two.
St Galls 0-14 Lámh Dhearg 0-11
A decent showing by the Lambs. Galls v Cross in Casement looking like a dinger.
Ballymacnab 2-11 Granemore 0-11
Quote from: hardstation on September 24, 2011, 08:25:54 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 24, 2011, 08:24:03 PM
A decent showing by the Lambs. Galls v Cross in Casement looking like a dinger.
Indeed. Looking forward to that.
Not yet, not yet, Ogs will have an awful lot to say about that tomorrow night!
Quote from: drici on September 24, 2011, 08:27:14 PM
Ballymacnab 2-11 Granemore 0-11
Result???
Quote from: hardstation on September 24, 2011, 08:28:59 PM
Toradh means result.
Or fruit.
Only half read it. I never read the title of the post!
Latton O'Rahillys 1-09 Ballybay 1-08
Clonduff 0-11 Kilcoo 1-07
2-30pm Loup 1-04 Kilrea 1-02
Half Time
Loup 1-06 Kilrea 1-10
Crossmaglen Rangers 0-07 Pearse Og 0-04
Half Time
Paul Hearty saved a penalty very early on.
Thon number 17 is good at taking the points.
Clonoe 0-11 Carrickmore 0-8
Dromore 2-8 Ardboe 0-9
Tyrone Semi Final Draw
Omagh v Dromore
Clonoe v Derrylaughan
Crossmaglen Rangers 0-13 Pearse Og 0-09
Full Time
Burren 1-14 Rostrevor 0-06
Ballinderry beat Dungiven 1-12 to 0-10.
Derry final is Kilrea v Ballinderry.
16th October
Preliminary Round
(Castlerahan/Cavan Gaels)Cavan v (Gleann tSuilí/Naomh Mícheál)Donegal (Cavan venue)
30th October
Quarter Finals
(Dromore/Omagh/Clonoe/Derrylaughan)Tyrone v (Kilrea/Ballinderry)Derry (Tyrone venue)
St Galls(Antrim) v (Crossmaglen Rangers/Ballymacnab)Armagh (Antrim venue)
(Roslea/Teemore)Fermanagh v (Burren/Clonduff)Down (Fermanagh venue)
(Scotstown/Latton O'Rahillys)Monaghan v Cavan or Donegal (Monaghan v Cavan (Monaghan venue) Monaghan v Donegal (Donegal venue))
13th November
Semi Finals:
Tyrone/Derry v Antrim/Armagh
Fermanagh/Down v Monaghan or Cavan/Donegal
27th November
Final
(Extra Time - if required - in all games up to and including the Semi Finals)
Ladbrokes the first to price this up I believe:
Crossmaglen Rangers 3/2
St Galls 7/4
Burren 6/1
Ballinderry 12/1
Cavan Gaels 22/1
Glenswilly 22/1
Latton 33/1
Clonoe 33/1
Kilrea 33/1
St Michaels 33/1
Scotstown 40/1
Roslea 40/1
Dromore 40/1
Omagh 50/1
Clonduff 100/1
Teemore 200/1
Castlerahan 200/1
Derrylaughlan 200/1
Ballymacnab 200/1
Great price Cross, You won't get them at that price the rest of the year ;)
Labrokes see a possible Cross' Galls game as relevant, it seems.
Quote from: Don Johnson on September 26, 2011, 09:21:18 PM
Ladbrokes the first to price this up I believe:
Crossmaglen Rangers 3/2
St Galls 7/4
Burren 6/1
Ballinderry 12/1
Cavan Gaels 22/1
Glenswilly 22/1
Latton 33/1
Clonoe 33/1
Kilrea 33/1
St Michaels 33/1
Scotstown 40/1
Roslea 40/1
Dromore 40/1
Omagh 50/1
Clonduff 100/1
Teemore 200/1
Castlerahan 200/1
Derrylaughlan 200/1
Ballymacnab 200/1
Burren seem to be a reasonable price, they have the easier side of the draw and experience from last year, plus the tradition they have as a club.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 26, 2011, 11:48:48 PM
Quote from: Don Johnson on September 26, 2011, 09:21:18 PM
Ladbrokes the first to price this up I believe:
Crossmaglen Rangers 3/2
St Galls 7/4
Burren 6/1
Ballinderry 12/1
Cavan Gaels 22/1
Glenswilly 22/1
Latton 33/1
Clonoe 33/1
Kilrea 33/1
St Michaels 33/1
Scotstown 40/1
Roslea 40/1
Dromore 40/1
Omagh 50/1
Clonduff 100/1
Teemore 200/1
Castlerahan 200/1
Derrylaughlan 200/1
Ballymacnab 200/1
Burren seem to be a reasonable price, they have the easier side of the draw and experience from last year, plus the tradition they have as a club.
I would near stick a few pound on Dromore or Omagh at those odds.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 26, 2011, 11:48:48 PM
Quote from: Don Johnson on September 26, 2011, 09:21:18 PM
Ladbrokes the first to price this up I believe:
Crossmaglen Rangers 3/2
St Galls 7/4
Burren 6/1
Ballinderry 12/1
Cavan Gaels 22/1
Glenswilly 22/1
Latton 33/1
Clonoe 33/1
Kilrea 33/1
St Michaels 33/1
Scotstown 40/1
Roslea 40/1
Dromore 40/1
Omagh 50/1
Clonduff 100/1
Teemore 200/1
Castlerahan 200/1
Derrylaughlan 200/1
Ballymacnab 200/1
Burren seem to be a reasonable price, they have the easier side of the draw and experience from last year, plus the tradition they have as a club.
Having watched them on Sunday I would put them at the top on form. They should have beaten Rostrevor by a lot more only the Rostrevor goalkeeper took off 4 great saves. I would have it at the minute Burren, St Galls, Cross.
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 27, 2011, 08:28:41 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 26, 2011, 11:48:48 PM
Quote from: Don Johnson on September 26, 2011, 09:21:18 PM
Ladbrokes the first to price this up I believe:
Crossmaglen Rangers 3/2
St Galls 7/4
Burren 6/1
Ballinderry 12/1
Cavan Gaels 22/1
Glenswilly 22/1
Latton 33/1
Clonoe 33/1
Kilrea 33/1
St Michaels 33/1
Scotstown 40/1
Roslea 40/1
Dromore 40/1
Omagh 50/1
Clonduff 100/1
Teemore 200/1
Castlerahan 200/1
Derrylaughlan 200/1
Ballymacnab 200/1
Burren seem to be a reasonable price, they have the easier side of the draw and experience from last year, plus the tradition they have as a club.
I would near stick a few pound on Dromore or Omagh at those odds.
Was thinking Omagh were a good price. Alot of you boys talking them up for a while!
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 27, 2011, 08:30:46 AM
Having watched them on Sunday I would put them at the top on form. They should have beaten Rostrevor by a lot more only the Rostrevor goalkeeper took off 4 great saves. I would have it at the minute Burren, St Galls, Cross.
:D
You're a cute hoor BCB. I suppose there's value in Ballymacnab as well?!
Quote from: HiMucker on September 27, 2011, 09:20:01 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 27, 2011, 08:28:41 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 26, 2011, 11:48:48 PM
Quote from: Don Johnson on September 26, 2011, 09:21:18 PM
Ladbrokes the first to price this up I believe:
Crossmaglen Rangers 3/2
St Galls 7/4
Burren 6/1
Ballinderry 12/1
Cavan Gaels 22/1
Glenswilly 22/1
Latton 33/1
Clonoe 33/1
Kilrea 33/1
St Michaels 33/1
Scotstown 40/1
Roslea 40/1
Dromore 40/1
Omagh 50/1
Clonduff 100/1
Teemore 200/1
Castlerahan 200/1
Derrylaughlan 200/1
Ballymacnab 200/1
Burren seem to be a reasonable price, they have the easier side of the draw and experience from last year, plus the tradition they have as a club.
I would near stick a few pound on Dromore or Omagh at those odds.
Was thinking Omagh were a good price. Alot of you boys talking them up for a while!
Tyrone teams don't do well in the Ulster Championship
I wish Paddy Power would hurry up and price this up so I can get a bet on. Don't wanna bet until I compare the two. Plus I don't like using Ladbrokes.
Think I will have a few quid on Burren, big price for the easier side of the draw and the extra year's experience for the youngsters should stand by them.
Quote from: Don Johnson on September 27, 2011, 10:26:00 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 27, 2011, 08:30:46 AM
Having watched them on Sunday I would put them at the top on form. They should have beaten Rostrevor by a lot more only the Rostrevor goalkeeper took off 4 great saves. I would have it at the minute Burren, St Galls, Cross.
:D
You're a cute hoor BCB. I suppose there's value in Ballymacnab as well?!
just being honest, Paddy Power seem to agree with me to an extent as they have ST Galls at shorter odds for the AI than us and have St Brigids as favourites. They haven't, I presume, seen Burren playing too much but they looked very strong on Sunday evening. There is value in the Nab too as they are in the final on merit and cannot be underestimated.
Where is Powers odds for the All Ireland? I haven't seen them yet?
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Where did you pull that from? I see those odds are out of date now as they were valid until the 17th September.
Courtesy of drici, I am not a betting man and didn't notice the date. I would think it is similar enough though.
Quote from: Don Johnson on September 27, 2011, 11:24:33 AM
Where did you pull that from? I see those odds are out of date now as they were valid until the 17th September.
Quote from: Don Johnson on September 27, 2011, 10:26:00 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 27, 2011, 08:30:46 AM
Having watched them on Sunday I would put them at the top on form. They should have beaten Rostrevor by a lot more only the Rostrevor goalkeeper took off 4 great saves. I would have it at the minute Burren, St Galls, Cross.
:D
You're a cute hoor BCB. I suppose there's value in Ballymacnab as well?!
any prices on the 'Nab for Armagh c'ship ?
Quote from: Abble on September 27, 2011, 12:41:31 PM
Quote from: Don Johnson on September 27, 2011, 10:26:00 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 27, 2011, 08:30:46 AM
Having watched them on Sunday I would put them at the top on form. They should have beaten Rostrevor by a lot more only the Rostrevor goalkeeper took off 4 great saves. I would have it at the minute Burren, St Galls, Cross.
:D
You're a cute hoor BCB. I suppose there's value in Ballymacnab as well?!
any prices on the 'Nab for Armagh c'ship ?
Nothing just yet, should be out within a day or two, if I see some I will post them up here.
I'm going to hazard a guess on the price for the final will be
Cross 1/10 Nab 13/2
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 27, 2011, 10:31:56 AM
Quote from: HiMucker on September 27, 2011, 09:20:01 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 27, 2011, 08:28:41 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 26, 2011, 11:48:48 PM
Quote from: Don Johnson on September 26, 2011, 09:21:18 PM
Ladbrokes the first to price this up I believe:
Crossmaglen Rangers 3/2
St Galls 7/4
Burren 6/1
Ballinderry 12/1
Cavan Gaels 22/1
Glenswilly 22/1
Latton 33/1
Clonoe 33/1
Kilrea 33/1
St Michaels 33/1
Scotstown 40/1
Roslea 40/1
Dromore 40/1
Omagh 50/1
Clonduff 100/1
Teemore 200/1
Castlerahan 200/1
Derrylaughlan 200/1
Ballymacnab 200/1
Burren seem to be a reasonable price, they have the easier side of the draw and experience from last year, plus the tradition they have as a club.
I would near stick a few pound on Dromore or Omagh at those odds.
Was thinking Omagh were a good price. Alot of you boys talking them up for a while!
Tyrone teams don't do well in the Ulster Championship
That will change.
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 27, 2011, 01:45:01 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 27, 2011, 10:31:56 AM
Quote from: HiMucker on September 27, 2011, 09:20:01 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 27, 2011, 08:28:41 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 26, 2011, 11:48:48 PM
Quote from: Don Johnson on September 26, 2011, 09:21:18 PM
Ladbrokes the first to price this up I believe:
Crossmaglen Rangers 3/2
St Galls 7/4
Burren 6/1
Ballinderry 12/1
Cavan Gaels 22/1
Glenswilly 22/1
Latton 33/1
Clonoe 33/1
Kilrea 33/1
St Michaels 33/1
Scotstown 40/1
Roslea 40/1
Dromore 40/1
Omagh 50/1
Clonduff 100/1
Teemore 200/1
Castlerahan 200/1
Derrylaughlan 200/1
Ballymacnab 200/1
Burren seem to be a reasonable price, they have the easier side of the draw and experience from last year, plus the tradition they have as a club.
I would near stick a few pound on Dromore or Omagh at those odds.
Was thinking Omagh were a good price. Alot of you boys talking them up for a while!
Tyrone teams don't do well in the Ulster Championship
That will change.
This year? In the hard side of the draw so maybe not this year
I suppose one of the reasons a team does well in Ulster is if they gain experience in the competition over a couple of seasons, therefore they need to be dominating their County. Hence why I believe that of late no team in Tyrone has done well in Ulster. The County Championship is the main aim of most teams, but when a team is dominating their own County then Ulster becomes their target. On top of that you have the drinking and partying that goes with a County Championship win for a team who hasn't won it too often.
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 27, 2011, 04:14:08 PM
I suppose one of the reasons a team does well in Ulster is if they gain experience in the competition over a couple of seasons, therefore they need to be dominating their County. Hence why I believe that of late no team in Tyrone has done well in Ulster. The County Championship is the main aim of most teams, but when a team is dominating their own County then Ulster becomes their target. On top of that you have the drinking and partying that goes with a County Championship win for a team who hasn't won it too often.
Basically what your saying is that the team has no higher ambitions than winning a county title. they are content and happy with what they have and anything above this is a bonus.
Would agree with that sentiment. The likes of Tyrone and Derry are uber-competitive, teams might not win it again. I always wondered if Cross were from those two counties, would they have been as dominant in Ulster football?
QuoteI always wondered if Cross were from those two counties, would they have been as dominant in Ulster football?
If Cross were from those two counties, would they be uber-competitive?
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Monaghan SFC Final
Sun 9th Oct SFC 3 30 PM Latton --- --- Scotstown
Venue=Inniskeen
Quote from: fitzroyalty on September 27, 2011, 04:52:20 PM
Would agree with that sentiment. The likes of Tyrone and Derry are uber-competitive, teams might not win it again. I always wondered if Cross were from those two counties, would they have been as dominant in Ulster football?
Fair point and similar to Kerry at intercounty level in that they had no opposition within their province and so could plan for further ahead. There's a fair chance they would have 'got caught' a few more times in the county championship had there been anyone near their level. However, that doesn't take away from their Ulster dominance I feel. They went toe to toe with almost all the big guns over the years and mostly came out on top.
QuoteFair point and similar to Kerry at intercounty level in that they had no opposition within their province and so could plan for further ahead.
This is a bit simplistic. Kerry are in a smaller province than Ulster or Leinster and some of the teams there, e.g. Waterford are clearly not the strongest, as shown by league position etc. The Armagh championship is not all that much different than other places, there is no particular evidence that the teams in it are especially weak, other than that Cross have won so many. The year before Cross started their run, Mullaghbawn won the Ulster club, and over the years Dromintee or Pearse Ógs etc would have been comparable with almost all Ulster senior clubs. When Pearse Ógs did win Armagh they were then beaten by St Galls who went on to win the All Ireland club, so no particular evidence there either.
Quote from: armaghniac on September 28, 2011, 09:37:02 AM
QuoteFair point and similar to Kerry at intercounty level in that they had no opposition within their province and so could plan for further ahead.
This is a bit simplistic. Kerry are in a smaller province than Ulster or Leinster and some of the teams there, e.g. Waterford are clearly not the strongest, as shown by league position etc. The Armagh championship is not all that much different than other places, there is no particular evidence that the teams in it are especially weak, other than that Cross have won so many. The year before Cross started their run, Mullaghbawn won the Ulster club, and over the years Dromintee or Pearse Ógs etc would have been comparable with almost all Ulster senior clubs. When Pearse Ógs did win Armagh they were then beaten by St Galls who went on to win the All Ireland club, so no particular evidence there either.
Ok, a little simplistic and comparing apples with oranges. However, the main point of the argument still stands i.e. cross have had little opposition and the title count clearly reflects that. They were put to the pin of their collar by many sides down the years (Ballinderry, Bellaghy and Slaughtneil I remember well but that's only because I saw those games), something which never really happened in their county.
I also don't see how you can say 'Dromintee or Pearse Ógs etc would have been comparable with almost all Ulster senior clubs' when there is clearly no evidence to back that up. St Gall's enjoy much the same in Antrim. So they debate is, are they just exceptional teams or are the rest of the clubs in those counties just nowhere near their standard. I'd say it's a mixture of both. Simple logic dictates that if you win your county title 9-10 times in nearly as many years, then you'll pick up a greater hunger for bigger crowns and vital experience along the way, thus giving you an advantage over other teams/counties.
QuoteThey were put to the pin of their collar by many sides down the years (Ballinderry, Bellaghy and Slaughtneil I remember well but that's only because I saw those games), something which never really happened in their county.
How many games in Armagh did you see? For instance, in 2004 Slaughtneil brought Cross to a replay, which Cross won by 1 point. But that year Pearse Ógs did the same and Rangers also required a second game to beat Killeavy.
It isn't as black and white as you suggest.
QuoteI also don't see how you can say 'Dromintee or Pearse Ógs etc would have been comparable with almost all Ulster senior clubs' when there is clearly no evidence to back that up
Since those teams did not play in the Ulster club championship, there is no evidence one way or the other. That's my point.
Here's a quick look at two of the top contenders - Ballinderry and St Galls.
First, this is Ballinderry blitzing Dungiven with a storming finish on Sunday. They were up against it, pegged back to level scores with minutes to go, against a gale coming up the Foyle, and they responded with 5 scores in no more than 5 minutes. Impressive... http://tiny.cc/xkm52 (http://tiny.cc/xkm52)
Second, this is St Galls winning Antrim again. The picked off some good scores at the end of their trademark flowing moves, though there's also one glaring miss in front of goal - http://tiny.cc/kbmje (http://tiny.cc/kbmje)
While I'm at it, here's Crossmaglen strolling past Clann Eireann in the Armagh SFC recently, backing up the argument that they are not being tested - http://tiny.cc/dhtre (http://tiny.cc/dhtre)
Quote from: armaghniac on September 28, 2011, 10:08:27 AM
Since those teams did not play in the Ulster club championship, there is no evidence one way or the other. That's my point.
Hold on, you said:
'over the years Dromintee or Pearse Ógs etc would have been comparable with almost all Ulster senior clubs'
which sounds to me like an opinion that those clubs were at same standard as most of rest of the field, and is what I responded to, and now you're saying we can't tell one way or another.
Is that not contradicting yourself?
Yes, I accept your point that I've not seen many Armagh club games so am largely basing my argument on the fact that cross have won so many titles relatively (I know there are some exceptions) easily.
I wouldn't be optimistic of the Monaghan winners making much off a dent in the Ulster senior club campaign. Latton would be favourities to win Monaghan but lack that killer instinct for ulster and any team still relying on a 41 year old to dig them out of holes is lacking something. Says something for the standard of senior club football in monaghan which has been on the decline for a few years. But hey they could prove me wrong!
If you look at it from the pov that Derry football was very strong in late 90s/00s and have had 5 different winners in the last 20 years, that would suggest Cross may have had to face more pitfalls than in Armagh when there has normally been (realistically) about 3 clubs max. capable of challenging Cross any given year.
As a matter of interest in the last 16 years Cross have won 14 Armagh titles and 8 Ulster titles. When they won their first Ulster they followed Mullaghbawn who had won it the previous year - so the standard could not have been too bad that time. Meanwhile in Derry Bellaghy and Ballinderry have won 2/3 of the Derry titles in the last 15 years. In the same time Derry teams have won 3 Ulster titles. Noone can tell how Cross would have done if they were playing in another county but considering they have won more Ulster titles in 15 years than anyone else I think it is safe to assume that they would still have won quite a few.
On another point most of the teams in Armagh are beat psycologically(?spelling) before they play Cross - a problem they would not have in the Ulster series if they got there.
Quote from: sheamy on September 28, 2011, 09:54:29 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 28, 2011, 09:37:02 AM
QuoteFair point and similar to Kerry at intercounty level in that they had no opposition within their province and so could plan for further ahead.
This is a bit simplistic. Kerry are in a smaller province than Ulster or Leinster and some of the teams there, e.g. Waterford are clearly not the strongest, as shown by league position etc. The Armagh championship is not all that much different than other places, there is no particular evidence that the teams in it are especially weak, other than that Cross have won so many. The year before Cross started their run, Mullaghbawn won the Ulster club, and over the years Dromintee or Pearse Ógs etc would have been comparable with almost all Ulster senior clubs. When Pearse Ógs did win Armagh they were then beaten by St Galls who went on to win the All Ireland club, so no particular evidence there either.
Ok, a little simplistic and comparing apples with oranges. However, the main point of the argument still stands i.e. cross have had little opposition and the title count clearly reflects that. They were put to the pin of their collar by many sides down the years (Ballinderry, Bellaghy and Slaughtneil I remember well but that's only because I saw those games), something which never really happened in their county.
I also don't see how you can say 'Dromintee or Pearse Ógs etc would have been comparable with almost all Ulster senior clubs' when there is clearly no evidence to back that up. St Gall's enjoy much the same in Antrim. So they debate is, are they just exceptional teams or are the rest of the clubs in those counties just nowhere near their standard. I'd say it's a mixture of both. Simple logic dictates that if you win your county title 9-10 times in nearly as many years, then you'll pick up a greater hunger for bigger crowns and vital experience along the way, thus giving you an advantage over other teams/counties.
I'll take your point in that if you're winning a lot of titles you will gain that experience required in Ulster to improve. But we along with The Loup got to a Ulster final in our first run at it in a while!! So you can win your first county title (in a while) and still go on and win a Ulster title
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 28, 2011, 04:15:48 PM
Quote from: sheamy on September 28, 2011, 09:54:29 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 28, 2011, 09:37:02 AM
QuoteFair point and similar to Kerry at intercounty level in that they had no opposition within their province and so could plan for further ahead.
This is a bit simplistic. Kerry are in a smaller province than Ulster or Leinster and some of the teams there, e.g. Waterford are clearly not the strongest, as shown by league position etc. The Armagh championship is not all that much different than other places, there is no particular evidence that the teams in it are especially weak, other than that Cross have won so many. The year before Cross started their run, Mullaghbawn won the Ulster club, and over the years Dromintee or Pearse Ógs etc would have been comparable with almost all Ulster senior clubs. When Pearse Ógs did win Armagh they were then beaten by St Galls who went on to win the All Ireland club, so no particular evidence there either.
Ok, a little simplistic and comparing apples with oranges. However, the main point of the argument still stands i.e. cross have had little opposition and the title count clearly reflects that. They were put to the pin of their collar by many sides down the years (Ballinderry, Bellaghy and Slaughtneil I remember well but that's only because I saw those games), something which never really happened in their county.
I also don't see how you can say 'Dromintee or Pearse Ógs etc would have been comparable with almost all Ulster senior clubs' when there is clearly no evidence to back that up. St Gall's enjoy much the same in Antrim. So they debate is, are they just exceptional teams or are the rest of the clubs in those counties just nowhere near their standard. I'd say it's a mixture of both. Simple logic dictates that if you win your county title 9-10 times in nearly as many years, then you'll pick up a greater hunger for bigger crowns and vital experience along the way, thus giving you an advantage over other teams/counties.
I'll take your point in that if you're winning a lot of titles you will gain that experience required in Ulster to improve. But we along with The Loup got to a Ulster final in our first run at it in a while!! So you can win your first county title (in a while) and still go on and win a Ulster title
Or even go as far as winning an All Ireland :D
Don't rub it in dickhead :D
Ulster Intermediate Hurling Club Championship
2nd October
Quarter Finals:
Kilclief Ben Dearg(Down) v Castleblayney(Monaghan)
3-30pm Páirc Esler
Gerard Devlin
Middletown Na Fianna(Armagh) v Carrickmore Éire Óg(Tyrone)
3-30pm Crossmaglen
Jamie Clarke
Lámh Dhearg(Antrim) - bye.
9th October
Semi Finals:
Lisbellaw St Patricks(Fermanagh) v Down/Monaghan
Armagh/Tyrone v Antrim
23rd October
Final
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Ulster Junior Hurling Club Championship
2nd October
Quarter Finals:
Carryduff(Down) v Creggan Kickhams(Antrim)
1-45pm Páirc Esler
Eamon Hassan
Na Magha(Derry) v Monaghan Harps
3-30pm Celtic Park
Owen Elliot
16th October
Preliminary Round
(Castlerahan/Cavan Gaels)Cavan v (Gleann tSuilí/Naomh Mícheál)Donegal (Cavan venue)
30th October
Quarter Finals
(Dromore/Omagh/Clonoe/Derrylaughan)Tyrone v (Kilrea/Ballinderry)Derry (Tyrone venue)
St Galls(Antrim) v (Crossmaglen Rangers/Ballymacnab)Armagh (Antrim venue)
(Roslea/Teemore)Fermanagh v (Burren/Clonduff)Down (Fermanagh venue)
(Scotstown/Latton O'Rahillys)Monaghan v Cavan or Donegal (Monaghan v Cavan (Monaghan venue) Monaghan v Donegal (Donegal venue))
Dia Domhnaigh 02-10-11
3-30pm Roslea v Teemore
4-00pm Gleann tSuilí v Naomh Mícheál live on TG4
4-00pm Castlerahan v Cavan Gaels
If Omagh can get out of Tyrone they have the potential to do well and could catch the winners of Galls/Cross on the hop. However, for some reason the dourest team will usually win Tyrone.
Not too many teams caught on the hop at that stage in fairness, you get to that stage everyone will respect whoever they meet. being unfair on the tyrone winners
My prediction is this: Galls will beat Cross. Their forward line has too much for a ponderous Cross FB line and the Galls defensive unit will smother the limited threat Cross have. I see a 5-6 point Milltown victory. Being in Casement, they won't lose focus as they did last year - not Lenny's greatest teamtalk.
Was that the reason they lost? Either you're on the wind up or you know fcuk all about football
Quote from: ONeill on October 01, 2011, 12:15:27 AM
My prediction is this: Galls will beat Cross. Their forward line has too much for a ponderous Cross FB line and the Galls defensive unit will smother the limited threat Cross have. I see a 5-6 point Milltown victory. Being in Casement, they won't lose focus as they did last year - not Lenny's greatest teamtalk.
Cross will win Ulster and the All-Ireland
Quote from: ONeill on October 01, 2011, 12:15:27 AM
My prediction is this: Galls will beat Cross. Their forward line has too much for a ponderous Cross FB line and the Galls defensive unit will smother the limited threat Cross have. I see a 5-6 point Milltown victory. Being in Casement, they won't lose focus as they did last year - not Lenny's greatest teamtalk.
Did they lose focus or just get hammered?? Is Oisin McConville still playing?
Tactic #1 should be this if he is - make sure the ref is aware of where the free is and where he hits it from. He has stole some yards in this last few years and other teams should get savvy to it!!
Them McKeown fellas hardly too slow and ponderous - Paul Kernan either.
Donegal county board doing extremely well to have county final being played this weekend considering their senior team got to an AI semi
Dia Domhnaigh 02-10-11
Roslea 1-10 Teemore 1-07
Gleann tSuilí 1-08 Naomh Mícheál 0-09
Castlerahan 0-07 Cavan Gaels 4-11
16th October
Preliminary Round
Cavan Gaels(Cavan) v Gleann tSuilí(Donegal) (Cavan venue)
30th October
Quarter Finals
(Dromore/Omagh/Clonoe/Derrylaughan)Tyrone v (Kilrea/Ballinderry)Derry (Tyrone venue)
St Galls(Antrim) v (Crossmaglen Rangers/Ballymacnab)Armagh (Antrim venue)
Roslea Shamrocks(Fermanagh) v (Burren/Clonduff)Down (Fermanagh venue)
(Scotstown/Latton O'Rahillys)Monaghan v Cavan or Donegal (Monaghan v Cavan (Monaghan venue) Monaghan v Donegal (Donegal venue))
Monaghan SFC:
Latton vs Scotstown
3:30 pm.
Venue::Inniskeen
16th October
Preliminary Round
Cavan Gaels(Cavan) v Gleann tSuilí(Donegal) (Cavan venue)
30th October
Quarter Finals
(Dromore/Omagh/Clonoe/Derrylaughan)Tyrone v (Kilrea/Ballinderry)Derry (Tyrone venue)
St Galls(Antrim) v (Crossmaglen Rangers/Ballymacnab)Armagh (Antrim venue)
Roslea Shamrocks(Fermanagh) v (Burren/Clonduff)Down (Fermanagh venue)
(Scotstown/Latton O'Rahillys)Monaghan v Cavan or Donegal (Monaghan v Cavan (Monaghan venue) Monaghan v Donegal (Donegal venue))
Dia Sathairn 08-10-11
4-30pm Clonoe v Derrylaughan
Dia Domhnaigh 09-10-11
3-30pm Scotstown v Latton O'Rahillys
4-30pm Dromore v Omagh
4-30pm Clonoe 0-09 Derrylaughan 0-01
Half Time
Clonoe 1-13 Derrylaughan 1-03
anybody got a prediction for the scotstown v latton game??
Quote from: HiMucker on October 09, 2011, 01:14:08 PM
anybody got a prediction for the scotstown v latton game??
Scotstown by 3. Latton supposedly v poor vs Ballybay in their semi 1-12 to 1-09
Anyone know if the latton scotstown game is on radio?
Quote from: downtown on October 09, 2011, 03:19:23 PM
Anyone know if the latton scotstown game is on radio?
Latton 1-6 Scotstown 0-8
Dromore beat Omagh in Tyrone so now play Clonoe in the Final, see some great scores from Montague and Sludden - http://t.co/GEheBItV (http://t.co/GEheBItV)
Has the Down SFC final been played yet ???
Quote from: Farneylawd2011 on October 09, 2011, 10:06:50 PM
Has the Down SFC final been played yet ???
Next Saturday night in Newry. Burren (Holders) v Clonduff. Burren are heavily expected to win.
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 09, 2011, 10:27:10 PM
Quote from: Farneylawd2011 on October 09, 2011, 10:06:50 PM
Has the Down SFC final been played yet ???
Next Saturday night in Newry. Burren (Holders) v Clonduff. Burren are heavily expected to win.
I expect Burren to be a major force in the Ulster championship over the next few years, with more experience (should they win Down) and will give Cross their fill of it
Quote from: sammymaguire on October 09, 2011, 01:18:57 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on October 09, 2011, 01:14:08 PM
anybody got a prediction for the scotstown v latton game??
Scotstown by 3. Latton supposedly v poor vs Ballybay in their semi 1-12 to 1-09
Sammy, you dont do refunds do ye!
Quote from: HiMucker on October 10, 2011, 09:39:48 AM
Quote from: sammymaguire on October 09, 2011, 01:18:57 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on October 09, 2011, 01:14:08 PM
anybody got a prediction for the scotstown v latton game??
Scotstown by 3. Latton supposedly v poor vs Ballybay in their semi 1-12 to 1-09
Sammy, you dont do refunds do ye!
up to 50p - the penalty swung the game in their favour plus the experience of the Latton team told the story with their 4 or 5 finals in the last 7-8 years. :(
Quote from: sammymaguire on October 10, 2011, 10:37:17 AM
Quote from: HiMucker on October 10, 2011, 09:39:48 AM
Quote from: sammymaguire on October 09, 2011, 01:18:57 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on October 09, 2011, 01:14:08 PM
anybody got a prediction for the scotstown v latton game??
Scotstown by 3. Latton supposedly v poor vs Ballybay in their semi 1-12 to 1-09
Sammy, you dont do refunds do ye!
up to 50p - the penalty swung the game in their favour plus the experience of the Latton team told the story with their 4 or 5 finals in the last 7-8 years. :(
Not to worry Omagh let me down aswell. Im hearing there is good handicap prices on cross this weekend. Is Mr Power offering these?
HiMucker, can I ask you a question and im serious too, what ground made you fancy Omagh?
Quote from: Wee Roddy on October 10, 2011, 01:34:13 PM
HiMucker, can I ask you a question and im serious too, what ground made you fancy Omagh?
Some of them bloody tyrone boys were talking them up the past while, and I thought sure they know more about than me :D. Maybe it was an elaborate plot to see a derry man lose 20 quid! Won a fair bit on the rugby at the weekend so not to worry. And hopefully with the indepth analysis on here I may stand to win a bit on these ulster club games :-\
See Galls playin QUB tonight at Casement under lights.
Stinkin night fair play to any of them for turning up!
You'll train in shit if you are in the ulster championship :P
Dromore looked impressive beating omagh from jerome's highlights. Them seem difficult to assess. You would expect them to beat a very poor Clonoe side (by Ulster standards) in the final. Then again, they were stuffed last year in Tyrone by another very poor side in Carrickmore. They definitely have some excellent defenders but are perhaps a little lightweight up front.
Some of the prices for the ulster club title seem a little strange - Cavan Gaels 9/2! Most years you could get them at 20s and i doubt they have improved that much (albeit they are in the weaker half of the draw).
Regal this poor Clonoe team go into the game as the bookies favourites! What poor team do you represent as i doubt Cross could be the only place your from if you are classing ever team as poor!
Quote from: Wee Roddy on October 11, 2011, 10:21:07 AM
Regal this poor Clonoe team go into the game as the bookies favourites! What poor team do you represent as i doubt Cross could be the only place your from if you are classing ever team as poor!
I noticed that Clonoe are slight favourites, but I wont be investing in them. I believe their only recent venture into ulster resulted in a defeat to St.Eunans (cant remember the exact score), who themselves are the ultimate ulster under achievers.
What I would like to see is somebody putting in up to Cross / St Galls as I dont think they should be that much better than everyone else. Perhaps Dromore could put it up to them but Clonoe wouldn't beat their reserve teams.
While Cavan Gaels are huge underachievers in ulster, I think this year they have to be fancied to get to an ulster final. That side of the draw is weak. i certainly can't see Glenswilly or Latton troubling them.
How are Burren performing this year? Could they put it up to Gall's or Cross?
Should Burren win Down they will certainly put it up to Cross or ourselves, should we beat Cross.
They have been playing good football and have a young team with a good manager in place ;)
Regal, can you please tell me why you think Dromore would be better equipped than Clonoe for Ulster??
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 11, 2011, 12:33:19 PM
Should Burren win Down they will certainly put it up to Cross or ourselves, should we beat Cross.
They have been playing good football and have a young team with a good manager in place ;)
Think the tie against Roslea will be a tricky one for them
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 11, 2011, 12:33:19 PM
Should Burren win Down they will certainly put it up to Cross or ourselves, should we beat Cross.
They have been playing good football and have a young team with a good manager in place ;)
Ballymacnab not even in the equation then, so disrespectful to a county finalist lads
Quote from: Onion Bag on October 11, 2011, 09:01:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 11, 2011, 12:33:19 PM
Should Burren win Down they will certainly put it up to Cross or ourselves, should we beat Cross.
They have been playing good football and have a young team with a good manager in place ;)
Ballymacnab not even in the equation then, so disrespectful to a county finalist lads
In Cross we are not thinking of St Galls or Ulster.
Our focus is totally on Ballymacnab as they could have beat us in either league game.
Good Luck to both teams.
Quote from: Onion Bag on October 11, 2011, 09:01:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 11, 2011, 12:33:19 PM
Should Burren win Down they will certainly put it up to Cross or ourselves, should we beat Cross.
They have been playing good football and have a young team with a good manager in place ;)
Ballymacnab not even in the equation then, so disrespectful to a county finalist lads
Down champs getting a bye through the quarter final too??
Quote from: crossfire on October 11, 2011, 09:24:05 PM
Quote from: Onion Bag on October 11, 2011, 09:01:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 11, 2011, 12:33:19 PM
Should Burren win Down they will certainly put it up to Cross or ourselves, should we beat Cross.
They have been playing good football and have a young team with a good manager in place ;)
Ballymacnab not even in the equation then, so disrespectful to a county finalist lads
In Cross we are not thinking of St Galls or Ulster.
Our focus is totally on Ballymacnab as they could have beat us in either league game.
Good Luck to both teams.
Drove through Ballymacnab at the weekend and the amount of flags/bunting would suggest they are going to enjoy the whole build up but there will be no sentiment from Cross you would imagine.
Quote from: Wee Roddy on October 11, 2011, 12:46:57 PM
Regal, can you please tell me why you think Dromore would be better equipped than Clonoe for Ulster??
I just think Dromore have a handful of excellent footballers (mcmenimen / mccarron / o'neill / mcnabb / mccullagh) which clonoe don't (only teague looked excellent from what i seen a few years back). Thats only my thoughts and I don't know if clonoe have produced any outstanding minors recently.
Quote from: Onion Bag on October 11, 2011, 09:01:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 11, 2011, 12:33:19 PM
Should Burren win Down they will certainly put it up to Cross or ourselves, should we beat Cross.
They have been playing good football and have a young team with a good manager in place ;)
Ballymacnab not even in the equation then, so disrespectful to a county finalist lads
It's really not. Ballymacnab know the score. They will try to use the fact they are underdogs to their advantage with opinion pieces writing them off and quotes from all these people who "know their football".
Ultimately it will not matter one bit. Cross have a 5 point head start over every team in Armagh. It will wear off eventually but at present they are still too strong for anything else around!
so regal, from 2minute videos on jeromes site you can determine that clonoe and carrickmore are "very poor sides"?
16th October
Preliminary Round
Cavan Gaels(Cavan) v Gleann tSuilí(Donegal)
3-30pm Breffni Park
Ciaran Brannigan
30th October
Quarter Finals
(Dromore/Clonoe)Tyrone v (Kilrea/Ballinderry)Derry (Healy Park)
St Galls(Antrim) v (Crossmaglen Rangers/Ballymacnab)Armagh (Casement Park)
Roslea Shamrocks(Fermanagh) v (Burren/Clonduff)Down (Brewster Park)
Latton O'Rahillys(Monaghan) v Cavan or Donegal (Monaghan v Cavan (Monaghan venue) Monaghan v Donegal (Donegal venue))
13th November
Semi Finals:
Tyrone/Derry v Antrim/Armagh
Fermanagh/Down v Monaghan or Cavan/Donegal
27th November
Final
(Extra Time - if required - in all games up to and including the Semi Finals)
County Finals
Dia Sathairn 15-10-11
7-00pm Burren v Clonduff
Dia Domhnaigh 16-10-11
3-15pm Kilrea v Ballinderry
4-00pm Crossmaglen Rangers v Ballymacnab
Cross will not be Nabbed
2011 County final
Ballymacnab will bring a breath of fresh air and party atmosphere to the Athletic Grounds as they contest their first ever Armagh Senior Football Final. In their way of a fairytale first title stand the Armagh, Ulster and All Ireland kingpins Crossmaglen Rangers who have earned that accolade by their respectful approach to all opponents presented before them and treating them all with the respect and due consideration, that their own efforts in getting to finals, deserve.
As Championship comparisons go there is one thing going in Ballymacnab's favour in that the Rangers record dwarfs even the most successful of clubs and the mammoth task that lies before the first time finalists in this David and Goliath contest is a burden carried before by other clubs. Sunday in total will be Rangers 29th. Championship final since 1995 which has yielded 14 Armagh championships, 8 Ulster and 5 All-Irelands and only one lost final.
Crossmaglen will be playing their 125th Championship match since 1995 and their record is P 124 W 103 D 11 L 10. The enormity of the task facing Ballymacnab becomes all the more clearer.
The year has been a historic one for the 'Nab in more ways than one. They have successfully competed in Division One of the league for the first time and have now reached their first Senior Final. They have nothing to lose and all to gain in their quest to pull off the hat-trick by beating the very long odds-on favourites and cause one of the biggest upsets in the history of the Armagh championship.
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Given a bye into the quarter final Ballymacnab were drawn against fellow divisional struggler's Clan Na Gael (eventually relegated) and put on a sparkling performance with Gavin McParland helping himself to 3-2 on the way to a 4-12 to 0-4 win. Their semi-final opponents could not have been more daunting than a clash with parish neighbours Granemore with whom they had often amalgamated with down the years. Goals from Ryan Kennedy and Brian McCone separated the parish rivals at the final whistle 2-11 to 0-11 and the maroon decked road to Armagh shows you that history time beckons for the 'Nab.
Captained by goalkeeper Sean Hughes the underdogs have plenty to offer should they get to grips with the occasion from the off. In their two tough league meetings the championship outsiders gave as good as they got. While former All Ireland winning minors Gavin McParland and Rory Grugan are their marquee attackers the experienced Brian McCone and nifty corner man Ryan Kennedy will certainly put Cross seasoned defence which has coughed up just one goal so far in the championship under considerable pressure. But it is the sextet in front of their captain who hold the key to the upset with Chris Loughran, Dwayne McParland, Dominic McParland, Barry O'Hare, Paudi Crilly, Kevin Beagan facing a Rangers attack which has scored 8-42 in their 3 championship games. Cross have had 11 different players contribute to their scoresheet whereas Ballymacnab have had 7.
NEW BEGINNING FOR CROSS
Tony McEntee and assistant Gareth O Neill heralded a new beginning for Cross when they took over the management reins following the 2009 championship defeat to Pearse Óg. The style of football played has been successfully adjusted to suit the calibre of players available for selection. After losing the bulk of their sheer physical presence Rangers were left with no option but to change. The transition was instant with an Armagh, Ulster and All-Ireland delivered in the first year by Tony and Gareth. The new look Cross have began a new set of figures, embarking on breaking new ground for the club. Sunday is Championship match number 15 for Gareth and Tony in this their second year. Cross being Cross one tends to overlook the fact that so many of their players get top Championship action, get playing in big time finals and yet they have not even come close to maturity as a footballer they have been cast into the deep end at such a young age. Paul McKeown aged 23 led Rangers to All-Ireland glory last March. 6 months on players who started in that final are under pressure to get a place on Sunday against Ballymacnab.
With veteran ace attacker the irrepressible Oisin McConville playing some super football his younger team mates have all been asked to step up to the plate just in order to get a place on the team. Oisin and Jamie Clarke on an inside forward line would trouble any county team let alone frighten the lives out of any club opponents. With Stephen Kernan pulling the strings outside them Aaron Cunningham, Mickey McNamee, Tony Kernan and Mick Lenaghan are others to benefit from their form of their three leading forwards.
Ballymacnab manager Jemmy Loughran has also cashed in on the club's very successful underage policy and is not found wanting in bringing in young blood to the side. Ballymacnab recently beat Corraghill Blues in the Division Two Minor Final and the captain of that team Paudi Crilly filled in at centre-half back no less for the injured Michael Beagan in the win over Granemore. Jemmy also introduced minor players Jack Grugan and Brian McClelland to good effect in the second half against Granemore. A fit again Michael Beagan might cause a few selection problems for Jemmy.
Weak midfields posed problems for both teams in their respective semis. Johnny Hanratty ploughed a lone furrow for much of the Og's game with injury plagued partner David McKenna coming good in the second half. Pauric and Richard Gribben were under the cosh against Granemore in the opening half but stuck manfully to their task to eventually wear down their opponents. Cross though have gone successfully through Armagh, Ulster and further afield with apparent problems at midfield and still have found a way to succeed.
While there is much to be admired about Ballymacnab and the steps forward they have been making, it is very hard to make a case to see them winning this county final. The quality of the respective benches if things are going wrong is just a point in question with Rangers miles ahead in that respect. Cross defence have dealt with your Grugans and McParlands and their likes before. Sunday is the biggest stage for 'Nab defence to perform and I feel that they will be found wanting against the undoubted potency of the champions who very rarely slip up when they are such short priced raging hot favourites.
How Ballymacnab got there!
Club History
Ballymacnab 4-12 Clan Na Gael 0-4
Ballymacnab 2-11 Granemore 0-11
SCORERS-Gavin McParland 3-6, Brian McCone 2-6 , Rory Grugan 0-6, Pauric Gribben 0-3, Ryan Kennedy 1-0, James Gray 0-1, Jack Grugan 0-1
Ballymacnab is a townland at the centre of a small rural community in the middle of Co. Armagh. Its name in Irish "Baile Mhic an Aba," (the town or townland of the son of the abbot) suggests an early monastic association, probably with the abbey in Armagh about four miles away. There had been from the beginning of the 20th century and probably before that, a form of football played in the area. This was a rough and tumble affair with little or no rules and no organised competitions. Because it was at the centre of a community and with increasing number of clubs being affiliated into the GAA it was only natural that sooner or later a team would be affiliated from Ballymacnab. In 1925 a team was affiliated to the Armagh Junior League. This team were known as "Brian Ogs," but had little success and was disbanded after a couple of years. Those involved in this venture were, John O'Hare, Pat Clarke and Peter Devlin. In the early 1930's the local schoolmaster at Foley School, Mr. Edward Halpin together with Fr. Edward O'Connor were instrumental in forming a parish league. Out of this league came, eventually at different times over the next thirty years the three teams which now represent the parish, Ballymacnab, Granemore and Clady.
In the 1940's a new team from Ballymacnab "Shamrocks" (later to become "Round Towers") was formed. This team continued to participate in the Mid Armagh Junior League and Championships until 1959. They contested some championship and league finals but their only success was the Mid Armagh Divisional Championship in 1946. One of the stars of this generation was Joe O'Hare who played on the Armagh team who reached the All-Ireland Final in 1953. In 1960 Ballymacnab had difficulty in fielding a team and they joined with Granemore to field a team known as Kilcluney. This team folded in a couple of years. There was no football in Ballymacnab from 1962 until 1967 when "Round Towers" was reformed and competed in Division IV of the Armagh League. Galway were the All Ireland Champions at this time having just won three titles in a row. Ballymacnab took their colours and still wear the maroon today. Thomas O'Hare (nephew of John) and Joe Halpin (son of Edward) were those largely responsible for this revival. In these early years teams have relative success gaining promotion to Division II by 1969 but this was met with defeats in the Final of the Junior Championship in 1969, 1971 & 1972. In the succeeding years Ballymacnab moved at various times between Division II and Division IV, winning Division IV in 1980 and Division III two years later. Disappointments were met in the form of defeats in the Junior Finals of 1984, 1993 and 1994 until the Junior Championship was finally won in 1999, the first by the club. Gary Donnelly had the honour of captaining that team. As a consequence of this win they were invited to play in the All Ireland seven a side competition for Junior clubs held on the eve of the 2000 All Ireland Football Final. They won the shield at this event. 2005 was another mile stone along the Ballymacnab way with Senior winning the Mid Armagh Shield and League Division III. Ballymacnab stepped up to the mark once again in 2006 when they won the Intermediate Championship (Captained by Paudi Beagan) for the first time when they defeated Madden 0-11 to 0-07 and reached the Ulster Intermediate Final only to be defeated by Coleraine Owen Roe's after a replay.
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In 2010 the seniors won the ACL Division II and were promoted to Division I for the first time in the club's history and also recorded their first victory in the Senior Championship.
The club recognises that the key to success in any club is to nurture underage talent. This has always been a priority in Ballymacnab. They have had some success winning competitions at minor, U16, U14 and U12 levels. In 2007 the Round Towers won the U-16 Mid Armagh Championship, the first from the club to win any underage Championship. In 2009, Rory Grugan & Gavin McParland played on the successful Armagh minor team that won the All-Ireland. At various times in our history we have amalgamated with our parish neighbours Granemore & Clady.
Field Development
Ballymacnab have from their formation played in the field behind the chapel. In 1975 they purchased the field and began an ambitious development programme. The field was officially opened in 1981 and named "Páirc na nGael". This development has continued more or less since. We now have two floodlit pitches and modern changing facilities. In 2006 the construction of a stand commenced.
Are Cavan Gaels over priced for tomorrows game against Glenswilly?
Murphy's team are currently 3/1
Down Senior Football Championship Final
Burren 0-07 Clonduff 0-03
Half Time
lump on cavan gaels lots of murphys of the liquid type has flowed in glenswilly since their famous victory doctor maguire has not emptied since
Serious? Surely they have laid off it the past couple of nights ;D
Oh aye
Down Senior Football Championship Final
Burren 2-14 Clonduff 2-03
Glenswilly 1-8 Cavan Gaels 0-10
Cavan went 2 points up with a few minutes to go. Neil Gallagher won a last minute penalty which Murphy converted.
Fair fucks to Glenswilly!! ;D
Fancied them and at 3/1 they duly obliged, Murphy was being closed down, and the other players came in with the scores. Was always going to be low scoring
Congratulations to Cross on the yet another Ulster / AI title.
Quote from: Don Johnson on October 16, 2011, 07:08:03 PM
Congratulations to Cross on the yet another Ulster / AI title.
If Dr Crokes win Kerry (or are they through due to the divisional teams left in it) they will give Cross all they want, After Osin took 18 steps :D in the drawn final a few years back to level it, then go on to win the replay I'd say they will have revenge on their minds, should they meet
Surely Galls will have revenge on their minds?
Quote from: armaghniac on October 16, 2011, 07:25:36 PM
Surely Galls will have revenge on their minds?
Imagine so.
Quote from: Blowitupref on October 16, 2011, 07:29:25 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 16, 2011, 07:25:36 PM
Surely Galls will have revenge on their minds?
Imagine so.
After Cross's win today and in the manner in which they won we won't come close. Would take the Og's to win Armagh again for us to have a chance :D
Sweet jesus, how did it get to the point where a team can win a county final by 25 points?!
Are there any other teams at all in Armagh?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 16, 2011, 07:42:50 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on October 16, 2011, 07:29:25 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 16, 2011, 07:25:36 PM
Surely Galls will have revenge on their minds?
Imagine so.
After Cross's win today and in the manner in which they won we won't come close. Would take the Og's to win Armagh again for us to have a chance :D
You're a fly boy! Lenny will have your boys chomping at the bit to get their own back. We caught you boys on the hop last year and Lenny won't let that happen again, 2 St Galls men as managers in the final I reckon.
Quote from: sheamy on October 16, 2011, 08:21:56 PM
Sweet jesus, how did it get to the point where a team can win a county final by 25 points?!
Are there any other teams at all in Armagh?
The draw was kind enough to Cross in Armagh this year (not that it would really have mattered). They beat two Division II teams, and then Pearse Og who had already disposed of Cullyhanna and Dromintee, two other serious contenders. Those three sides would be the only ones capable of mounting a serious challenge in Armagh at present.
Nothing more sickening in gaa than listening to boys trying to be cute kerry men, playing down their own teams chances and bumming up the opposition! Nothing to do with today, but cross should beat galls. Wudnt have much time for cross but i'd support any armagh club once their in ulster, and it was great watching them make a show of galls last year. Even in the 2007 ulster final i cudn't get over how hype the irish news etc were giving galls in the build up, think they were favourites, yet the gap was fairly clear that day in newry.
Quote from: Orchardman on October 16, 2011, 09:07:17 PM
Nothing more sickening in gaa than listening to boys trying to be cute kerry men, playing down their own teams chances and bumming up the opposition! Nothing to do with today, but cross should beat galls. Wudnt have much time for cross but i'd support any armagh club once their in ulster, and it was great watching them make a show of galls last year. Even in the 2007 ulster final i cudn't get over how hype the irish news etc were giving galls in the build up, think they were favourites, yet the gap was fairly clear that day in newry.
What's cute about saying Cross are a better team, are you for real or on the wind up?
so Burren/Latton/Roslea or Glenswilly will be in an Ulster Club final. Some excitement around them places when that happens.
Burren will be there from that group, put my house on it (toy house)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 16, 2011, 09:49:31 PM
Burren will be there from that group, put my house on it (toy house)
Glenswilly seem like a rite outfit, although i was reading there in the Gaelic Life that they are bottom of Div 1 in Donegal and fighting a relegation battle which is their priority. Todays win probably threw a spanner in their works
Quote from: sheamy on October 16, 2011, 08:21:56 PM
Sweet jesus, how did it get to the point where a team can win a county final by 25 points?!
Are there any other teams at all in Armagh?
cross's parish tends to take in most of armagh -thats why the rest of the county is weak
Quote from: INDIANA on October 16, 2011, 11:09:06 PM
Quote from: sheamy on October 16, 2011, 08:21:56 PM
Sweet jesus, how did it get to the point where a team can win a county final by 25 points?!
Are there any other teams at all in Armagh?
cross's parish tends to take in most of armagh -thats why the rest of the county is weak
::)
Sure a lot of the parish is in Louth!
It may be fair to say that Cross had an easy enough passage though the Armagh championship this year but there are few teams in Ireland who would have destroyed the Nab so convincingly today and still fewer who would have disposed of Pearse Ogs so clinically in the semi final. The improvement in Cross over the last couple of years is staggering. When you consider that they had won 3 Ulster titles in a row prior to this that may seem a ridiculous statement. However, they now seem to have something more than before. I actually think they now have better footballers than the team of 1996 to 2000 (sorry BCB). If this team has the winning mentality of that team though is still to be proved. One thing I did notice at both the Pearse Ogs and Nab matches was how much physically stronger than there opponents they look. They can just steamroller through teams. When you consider that they only introduced Oisin late in the game ( and him MOM in previous round) it shows how strong a panel they now have. On saying that if you were to pick teams who could beat Cross in Ulster you would think St Galls or Ballinderry and if they are to win Ulster they will probably have to overcome both. For me against St Galls in Belfast it should be quite a tussle and I would take Cross to win by three - although it would not be a total surprise if St Galls won as they too are a very good team.
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on October 16, 2011, 09:54:50 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 16, 2011, 09:49:31 PM
Burren will be there from that group, put my house on it (toy house)
Glenswilly seem like a rite outfit, although i was reading there in the Gaelic Life that they are bottom of Div 1 in Donegal and fighting a relegation battle which is their priority. Todays win probably threw a spanner in their works
Doubt that. The boys I heard interviewed were delighted. Don't think the league will matter too much.
Quote from: Throw ball on October 17, 2011, 12:29:13 AM
It may be fair to say that Cross had an easy enough passage though the Armagh championship this year but there are few teams in Ireland who would have destroyed the Nab so convincingly today and still fewer who would have disposed of Pearse Ogs so clinically in the semi final. The improvement in Cross over the last couple of years is staggering. When you consider that they had won 3 Ulster titles in a row prior to this that may seem a ridiculous statement. However, they now seem to have something more than before. I actually think they now have better footballers than the team of 1996 to 2000 (sorry BCB). If this team has the winning mentality of that team though is still to be proved. One thing I did notice at both the Pearse Ogs and Nab matches was how much physically stronger than there opponents they look. They can just steamroller through teams. When you consider that they only introduced Oisin late in the game ( and him MOM in previous round) it shows how strong a panel they now have. On saying that if you were to pick teams who could beat Cross in Ulster you would think St Galls or Ballinderry and if they are to win Ulster they will probably have to overcome both. For me against St Galls in Belfast it should be quite a tussle and I would take Cross to win by three - although it would not be a total surprise if St Galls won as they too are a very good team.
No need to apologise old boy, I have always said that, we used to beat teams on pure work rate and physical dominance and as you say an iron will to win but this team does not have the same physcality but they have far more skill than we ever had but they work as hard if not harder. As far the will to win, I don't think they are any different to us.
Perssonally after last years I think St Galls really have to step it up. Last year they really struggled to break down a crossmaglen defense.
If what I hear is anything to go by too st galls have some serious injury problems in and around midfield. They need their key men here.
While St Galls are a slick outfit I just don't think they have it to beat crossmaglen and I would expect cross to win by 5 or 6 points.
I would hope to be proven wrong on this but I do worry about who will mark Jamie Clarke, how Aaron Kernan will be tied up and how st galls will brek down the cross full back line as they really really struggled with this last year.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 16, 2011, 09:49:31 PM
Burren will be there from that group, put my house on it (toy house)
I asked Powers a couple weeks ago for odds on Burren v St Galls and Burren v Cross Ulster final.
They gave me 7/2 about the two of them, these odds will have probably went down by now though
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on October 16, 2011, 09:47:02 PM
so Burren/Latton/Roslea or Glenswilly will be in an Ulster Club final. Some excitement around them places when that happens.
Burren will have been used to it I think.
Paddy Powers latest Ulster SFC odds:
Crossmaglen 13/8
St Galls 5/2
Burren 10/3
Ballinderry 6/1
Glenswilly 7/1
Latton 28/1
Dromore 33/1
Clonoe 33/1
Roslea 50/1
The newest AI odds too just went up:
Crossmaglen 10/3
St Galls 6/1
St Brigids 7/1
Dr Crokes 8/1
Portlaoise 8/1
UCC 9/1
Burren 10/1
Corofin 12/1
St Oliver Plunketts 12/1
Ballinderry 16/1
St Vincents 22/1
Garrycastle 28/1
Ballintubber 33/1
Castlebar 40/1
Athy 40/1
Kilmurray/Ibrickane 50/1
Salthill 50/1
Longford Slashers 80/1
Summerhill 100/1
Moyle Rovers 200/1
Some photos of the Cross v Ballymacnab game
http://www.flickr.com/photos/16144312@N07/sets/72157627913880604/
Obviously click on thumbnail to see bigger image
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(It was raining before the Middletown v Carrickmore game)
hats off to that record in any man's language
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=156655 (http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=156655)
Ulster games moved for Murphy and McKernan
Donegal's Michael Murphy and Kevin McKernan from Down will be able to play for Ireland in the IRS against Australia after the Ulster Council postponed two of their provincial club quarter-finals.
The duo looked set to miss out after their clubs, Glenswilly and Burren, qualified for the AIB Ulster club SFC quarter-finals, which were fixed to take place on Sunday 30 October. That date would have ruled both players, who were picked as part of the Ireland squad last week, participating in the tour.
Murphy kicked an injury time penalty as Glenswilly defeated Cavan Gaels yesterday while McKernan's Burren retained the Down SFC title on Saturday evening.
This morning the Ulster Council announced that the quarter-finals involving Glenswilly against Latton and Burren against Roslea have been put back two weeks until Sunday 13 November.
The updated Ulster Club schedule is as follows:
30th October
AIB Ulster Senior Club Football Championship Quarter Finals
St. Galls (Antrim) v Crossmaglen Rangers (Armagh) at Casement Park
Dromore / Clonoe (Tyrone) v Ballinderry (Derry) at Healy Park
13th November
AIB Ulster Senior Club Football Championship Quarter Finals
Glenswilly (Donegal) v Latton (Monaghan) at Pairc MacCumhaill
Roslea (Fermanagh) v Burren (Down) at Brewster Park
AIB Ulster Senior Club Football Championship Semi-final
St. Galls / Crossmaglen Rangers v Dromore / Clonoe / Ballinderry
20th November
AIB Ulster Senior Club Football Championship Semi-final
Glenswilly / Latton v Roslea / Burren
27th November
AIB Ulster Senior Club Football Championship final
Quote from: emainmacha on October 17, 2011, 01:03:54 PM
Some photos of the Cross v Ballymacnab game
http://www.flickr.com/photos/16144312@N07/sets/72157627913880604/
Obviously click on thumbnail to see bigger image
The Ballymacnab players can't use the state of the pitch as an excuse for the defeat. Immaculate.
Only saw the Crossmaglen result in the paper today. Probably been discussed already but how does any football team get to a county final and lose it by 25 points? I know Crossmaglen are an excellent side but still.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on October 17, 2011, 03:09:02 PM
Only saw the Crossmaglen result in the paper today. Probably been discussed already but how does any football team get to a county final and lose it by 25 points? I know Crossmaglen are an excellent side but still.
Well, it was Ballymacnab's first Senior final appearance. They were playing Junior football 12 years ago, so it was great progress by the club.
Armagh Harps are a well established senior side in Armagh city, although not the team they once were. But Cross beat them 6-12 to 1-6 in the quarter finals. So that sort of puts yesterday's result in perspective. Plus, Cross are an awesome side, they may well go the whole way again this year.
Dont know why we have breen brought into the equation for equivocation but Harps had 9 championship debutants this year from our successful minor teams and are an extremely young side, plus we were 2-8 to 1-6 down with 20 mins to go before the wheels came off.
I honest to god could not believe that the Nab gave up wind advantage yesterday in the first half(from reading today's Irish News). Did he think it was Cross 3rds they were playing?
Cross were playing a Donegal select in preparation(for St Galls presumably) last weekend apparently. Shows what they are about and no team in armagh can touch them, they are in effect a County team.
Crossmaglen 13/8
St Galls 5/2
Burren 10/3
Ballinderry 6/1
Glenswilly 7/1
Latton 28/1
Dromore 33/1
Clonoe 33/1
Roslea 50/1
I don't like the hoors but that is outrageous odds on Dromore.
As a betting man, the odds on Burren looks the way to go, handy draw to final & then cover yourself.
QuoteAs a betting man, the odds on Burren looks the way to go, handy draw to final & then cover yourself.
And Labrokes will give you 4/1. But Cross/Galls could still be strong favourites for the final, so you might end up at at 2/1 although Burren have two games in between.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 16, 2011, 09:38:53 PM
Quote from: Orchardman on October 16, 2011, 09:07:17 PM
Nothing more sickening in gaa than listening to boys trying to be cute kerry men, playing down their own teams chances and bumming up the opposition! Nothing to do with today, but cross should beat galls. Wudnt have much time for cross but i'd support any armagh club once their in ulster, and it was great watching them make a show of galls last year. Even in the 2007 ulster final i cudn't get over how hype the irish news etc were giving galls in the build up, think they were favourites, yet the gap was fairly clear that day in newry.
What's cute about saying Cross are a better team, are you for real or on the wind up?
No i'm not on the wind up milltown, but i didn't mean it as a dig directly at you. I can understand playing down your own club's chance before a big game, and there's every chance galls might catch cross on the hop in a few weeks time.
Probably on a large scale I know journalists often complain about the gaa is the worst for talking pure tripe about bumming up the opposition. This comes from the county managers and players who naturally arn't going to say anything to give the opposition an motivational poster. The main gripe i have is the first thing you will hear in a player interview after a game is " ah, people wrote us off, no one give us a chance, blah blah" rubbish.
Anyway, i'm off topic!
Cross- burren final on the cards
Fair enough I could come on here and be like Marron1 ;D ;D
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 18, 2011, 03:12:57 PM
Fair enough I could come on here and be like Marron1 ;D ;D
I am not surprised that he has changed his identity. :D
Jarlath Burns had quoted in the Gaelic Life this week about cross.''They play St.Galls in the first round.Ballinderry,Burren and Glenswilly all reckon they can take Cross on this year.It promises to be an Ulster club champonship pure combustion.They shouldn't hold their breath.Cross are on a mission.Yet another one.''
I am gonna agree with Jarlath they will get another Ulster but i am not so sure about an All Ireland double.
Cross objected to game being played on Saturday night!! TG4 wanted show it live but not happening now!
Any reasons lads? Crossfire, BCB
This game is between the last two AI champions, it shouldn't need fiddling with the schedule to justify television coverage. Football in Cross is a family thing, who would want to go to Andersonstown on a Saturday night?
Who'd want to go to Cross on a Sunday if you're from Belfast? Stupid comment
QuoteWho'd want to go to Cross on a Sunday if you're from Belfast?
Not many, I imagine, especially if the premiership was on TV.
However, I did not refer to Sunday, but Saturday.
Look TG4 showed our game last year, they have the Galway Final down for next week along with Ballyhale V James Stephens (a cracking game)
Would have been a great Gaa weekend had the game been shown live on the Saturday night. I've really taken to night games, real good atmosphere generated at it, as Casement is dung during the day
In all honesty although TG4 have to make up there own schedule a match between the last two All Ireland champions should be the live game above any other game. Why can one of the other games not be switched to the Saturday night? The schedule of matches has been known for a long time and anyone who didn't think Cross and St. Galls would not be playing next week haven't watched much football in recent years - or were diluded! Why should the All Ireland champions have to change?
Milltown as for Cross they will not give one damn what you or I or anyone else think. They will do what they think is best for them. That is why they have been so good over the years.
I can't actually remember the last decent Galway county football final. Cross v Galls would be a better option
Quote from: Throw ball on October 22, 2011, 07:49:58 PM
In all honesty although TG4 have to make up there own schedule a match between the last two All Ireland champions should be the live game above any other game. Why can one of the other games not be switched to the Saturday night? The schedule of matches has been known for a long time and anyone who didn't think Cross and St. Galls would not be playing next week haven't watched much football in recent years - or were diluded! Why should the All Ireland champions have to change?
Milltown as for Cross they will not give one damn what you or I or anyone else think. They will do what they think is best for them. That is why they have been so good over the years.
I didn't think anything Throw ball!! I asked a question. Again waiting the answer. No big hidden agenda either throw ball
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 22, 2011, 05:48:18 PM
Cross objected to game being played on Saturday night!! TG4 wanted show it live but not happening now!
Any reasons lads? Crossfire, BCB
That is the first i heard of it but then i am not on the executive committee.
Quote from: crossfire on October 22, 2011, 10:26:40 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 22, 2011, 05:48:18 PM
Cross objected to game being played on Saturday night!! TG4 wanted show it live but not happening now!
Any reasons lads? Crossfire, BCB
That is the first i heard of it but then i am not on the executive committee.
But had you heard that it was on the Saturday night though had we met? (clubs that is ;))
I'd have fancied Galls to take Cross this year. There's not much between them at full strength. However, I believe Galls may be short of a couple (at least) of mainstays and that swings the balance in favour of the S Armagh men.
Yeah our loses will beat us in the end i feel. Bad luck for the lads
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 23, 2011, 12:05:00 AM
Yeah our loses will beat us in the end i feel. Bad luck for the lads
there is going to be some "cute hoorism" on here before next sunday !!
If Galls tog out with the older Kelly, A Gallagher, 3 McGourtys, Stewart, McLean, Niblock and Burke then they're as good as Cross.
Listen they'll go at cross, hammer and tongs that is for sure. We'd just need to be at our best and Cross have a bad day to win.
Quote from: ONeill on October 23, 2011, 12:21:04 AM
If Galls tog out with the older Kelly, A Gallagher, 3 McGourtys, Stewart, McLean, Niblock and Burke then they're as good as Cross.
They would need to start showing they are then.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 22, 2011, 05:48:18 PM
Cross objected to game being played on Saturday night!! TG4 wanted show it live but not happening now!
Any reasons lads? Crossfire, BCB
I heard there were two reasons, we don't like travelling the motorway at the best of times to Belfast and particulary not at night also the committee reckoned that there was more chance that people would have their cars stolen on Saturday night as opposed to Sunday afternoon so they felt it was safer for people's Peugeot 406s to have it on Sunday.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 23, 2011, 12:37:06 AM
Listen they'll go at cross, hammer and tongs that is for sure. We'd just need to be at our best and Cross have a bad day to win.
Quit your silly buggers, we know that's my job :D
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 23, 2011, 10:04:51 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 22, 2011, 05:48:18 PM
Cross objected to game being played on Saturday night!! TG4 wanted show it live but not happening now!
Any reasons lads? Crossfire, BCB
I heard there were two reasons, we don't like travelling the motorway at the best of times to Belfast and particulary not at night also the committee reckoned that there was more chance that people would have their cars stolen on Saturday night as opposed to Sunday afternoon so they felt it was safer for people's Peugeot 406s to have it on Sunday.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 23, 2011, 12:37:06 AM
Listen they'll go at cross, hammer and tongs that is for sure. We'd just need to be at our best and Cross have a bad day to win.
Quit your silly buggers, we know that's my job :D
I heard the real reason, the diesel dippers were due to be in Belfast on the Saturday night but will be elsewhere on the Sunday ;)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 23, 2011, 10:15:17 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 23, 2011, 10:04:51 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 22, 2011, 05:48:18 PM
Cross objected to game being played on Saturday night!! TG4 wanted show it live but not happening now!
Any reasons lads? Crossfire, BCB
I heard there were two reasons, we don't like travelling the motorway at the best of times to Belfast and particulary not at night also the committee reckoned that there was more chance that people would have their cars stolen on Saturday night as opposed to Sunday afternoon so they felt it was safer for people's Peugeot 406s to have it on Sunday.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 23, 2011, 12:37:06 AM
Listen they'll go at cross, hammer and tongs that is for sure. We'd just need to be at our best and Cross have a bad day to win.
Quit your silly buggers, we know that's my job :D
I heard the real reason, the diesel dippers were due to be in Belfast on the Saturday night but will be elsewhere on the Sunday ;)
Probably a factor, what's the bets the feckers
WILL be on the road at Loughbrickland on Sunday afternoon!
Hope to see ya all in the club after the match lads, christ knows we could do with the money.
We do check the notes so no funny ones ;)
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=137894
St. Gall's star CJ McGourty has blasted the performance of referee Joe McQuillan in last Sunday's Ulster club SFC first round defeat to Crossmaglen.
The Cavan official issued 12 yellow and two red cards as the Belfast side crashed out at the first defence of their provincial and All-Ireland crowns.
"I think Joe McQuillan was terrible, he was absolutely terrible," McGourty said.
"I'm not going to say he was good. I'm going to speak my mind and he was terrible. He didn't beat St. Gall's and he didn't make Crossmaglen win, but he had an atrocious match. But once the football started, they were far superior and deserved their victory. They played better football."
16th October
Preliminary Round
Cavan Gaels(Cavan) 0-10 Gleann tSuilí(Donegal) 1-08
3-30pm Breffni Park
Ciaran Brannigan
Cavan Gaels 0-10 (D Sexton 0-1, D Reilly 0-1, M Lyng 0-2, N Murray 0-1, K Meehan 0-1, S Johnston 0-2 (2 frees), C McClarey 0-2)
Gleann tSuilí 1-08 (R McFadden 0-1, C Bonner 0-1, D McGinley 0-1, G McFadden 0-3 (2 frees), M Murphy 1-2 (1-0 penalty, 2 frees))
30th October
Quarter Finals
Dromore St Dympnas(Tyrone) v Ballinderry Shamrocks(Derry)
2-30pm Healy Park
Matin Higgins
St Galls(Antrim) v Crossmaglen Rangers(Armagh)
2-30pm Casement Park
Joe McQuillan
13th November
Roslea Shamrocks(Fermanagh) v Burren St Marys(Down)
2-30pm Brewster Park
Gleann tSuilí v Latton O'Rahillys(Monaghan)
2-30pm Ballybofey
Semi Final:
Tyrone/Derry v Antrim/Armagh
20th November
Semi Final:
Fermanagh/Down v Donegal/Monaghan
27th November
Final
(Extra Time - if required - in all games up to and including the Semi Finals)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNbjnf1p5eI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNbjnf1p5eI)
There may be trouble ahead
But while there's moonlight and music
And love and romance
Let's face the music and dance
Battle of the big two on Sunday...should be good. Is a pity Omagh pitch is so shit. ;)
The match in Belfast will be no use. Cross will run away with it. Gall's haven't brought much through since the AI win and cross have revamped the whole squad. No fence sitting here :)
Joe got the same game last year.He seny James Morgan off for no reason.
Quote from: sheamy on October 24, 2011, 03:20:10 PM
Battle of the big two on Sunday...should be good. Is a pity Omagh pitch is so shit. ;)
The match in Belfast will be no use. Cross will run away with it. Gall's haven't brought much through since the AI win and cross have revamped the whole squad. No fence sitting here :)
A fair judgement, on top of that we only won the championship by 3 points, Cross on a different football planet at minute and should win pulling up. We are needing a miracle in fairness. Joe is a hometown referee so we may get some decisions ;D
Cmon the Galls. Get wired into the bastards. No handshaking.
Quote from: ONeill on October 24, 2011, 09:03:39 PM
Cmon the Galls. Get wired into the b**tards. No handshaking.
Will there be a guard of honour for the All Ireland champions?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 24, 2011, 10:04:20 PM
Quote from: ONeill on October 24, 2011, 09:03:39 PM
Cmon the Galls. Get wired into the b**tards. No handshaking.
Will there be a guard of honour for the All Ireland champions?
Not a chance. You need to lay down a marker here. Bellew used to 'clumsily' trample over the opposition's star forward within five minutes. Those boys took you down to South Armagh and ambushed you. It's time to steal their cars.
They wont bring cars, customs will be dipping all day Sunday!!
Looking forward to it, lot of pressure off the lads in fairness. Sure they haven't beaten Cross, not many teams have. So they will certainly give it a lash, we are 13/8 with Paddy Power, Cross at 8/11, the draw looks tasty and should the weather persist it will definitely be a low scoring game.
Cross, with Osin taking the frees may be the deciding factor here. They are physically stronger than us and it may tell on a heavy pitch
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 24, 2011, 10:23:13 PM
They wont bring cars, customs will be dipping all day Sunday!!
Looking forward to it, lot of pressure off the lads in fairness. Sure they haven't beaten Cross, not many teams have. So they will certainly give it a lash, we are 13/8 with Paddy Power, Cross at 8/11, the draw looks tasty and should the weather persist it will definitely be a low scoring game.
Cross, with Osin taking the frees may be the deciding factor here. They are physically stronger than us and it may tell on a heavy pitch
I would say there is a fair bit of pressure on St Galls, because it is Cross and they haven't beaten them before and it will be thrown at them.
Quote from: Minder on October 24, 2011, 10:25:52 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 24, 2011, 10:23:13 PM
They wont bring cars, customs will be dipping all day Sunday!!
Looking forward to it, lot of pressure off the lads in fairness. Sure they haven't beaten Cross, not many teams have. So they will certainly give it a lash, we are 13/8 with Paddy Power, Cross at 8/11, the draw looks tasty and should the weather persist it will definitely be a low scoring game.
Cross, with Osin taking the frees may be the deciding factor here. They are physically stronger than us and it may tell on a heavy pitch
I would say there is a fair bit of pressure on St Galls, because it is Cross and they haven't beaten them before and it will be thrown at them.
Aye but last year they went into the game in Cross's back yard as favourites, All Ireland Champions too, so they were under big pressure to perform. Cross steamrolled them and we couldn't deal with them. Very good team.
Cute hoorism reaching its zenith in here, MR2 and O'Neill in tandem, I wouldn't mind but the baldy man is a closest Rangerette and loves all things B & A. Home ground advantage massive, Lenny is tactically more astute that our two novices, St Gall's something to prove and we're a bit stale after being on the road for so long. The Westies(or northies, or Easties or Southies depending on which player plays :P) will catch us on the proverbial hop and CJ will bag 2 green flags and win the game. Gallers to lose.
No surprise to see Joe McQuillan selected to ref the Cross v St Galls game as ineptitude rarely comes into play when the GAA are making such decisions. He performance was awful (and very one sided) in last years game and it is understandable that St Galls will object. Cross would have won that game whoever was referee but Joe McQ certainly didn't do them any harm.
Burren will bring a big crowd to casement to see who their final opponents will be. Odds on Ulster outright:
Cross 6/4
St Galls 5/2
Burren 7/2
Crap odds, but I would fancy Burren.
QuoteGall's unhappy with McQuillan appointment
25 October 2011
Cavan referee Joe McQuillanSt. Gall's are objecting to the appointment of All-Ireland final referee Joe McQuillan for their eagerly-awaited AIB Ulster club SFC quarter-final against Crossmaglen Rangers on Sunday.
Speaking to the Irish News, St. Gall's manager Lenny Harbinson said he was "extremely annoyed" with the Cavan whistler's performance in last year's meeting of the Ulster heavyweights when he issued three red and 10 yellow cards. Cross' won by six points before going on to lift the All-Ireland crown.
"We were extremely unhappy with Joe's performance last year," he said.
"We didn't voice it at the time because we thought it would have taken away from the Crossmaglen win. But now that he is refereeing our game on Sunday we are disappointed and extremely annoyed. We will lodge an objection."
He continued: "We felt there was a fair degree of off-the-ball stuff went on in the opening 15 or 20 minutes in our match last year. Umpires need to help the referee - I felt they were under-utilised in our game last year."
Lenny feeling the pressure. Excuses already???
Quote from: regal on October 25, 2011, 09:48:08 AM
No surprise to see Joe McQuillan selected to ref the Cross v St Galls game as ineptitude rarely comes into play when the GAA are making such decisions. He performance was awful (and very one sided) in last years game and it is understandable that St Galls will object. Cross would have won that game whoever was referee but Joe McQ certainly didn't do them any harm.
Burren will bring a big crowd to casement to see who their final opponents will be. Odds on Ulster outright:
Cross 6/4
St Galls 5/2
Burren 7/2
Crap odds, but I would fancy Burren.
You have to be joking. :o
For St Galls is Aodhan Gallagher definitely out? Kevin McGourty isn't going to play, so I'm reliably told anyway, so if Gallagher is out who is going to do midfield with Burke?
Question... In last year's fixture was Jamie Clarke playing?
I don't see where St Galls are going to get the scores here. I could see Cross having an easy enough win again.
If Gallagher's out I cannot see Galls winning this one. Kevin McGourty is a big enough loss without the Methody teacher warming his nugget alongside him. Big games needed from Kelly, Niblock and Kieran McGourty but the latter isn't getting any younger.
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 25, 2011, 11:17:14 PM
For St Galls is Aodhan Gallagher definitely out? Kevin McGourty isn't going to play, so I'm reliably told anyway, so if Gallagher is out who is going to do midfield with Burke?
Question... In last year's fixture was Jamie Clarke playing?I don't see where St Galls are going to get the scores here. I could see Cross having an easy enough win again.
No. Jamie was sent off in the armagh semi final drawn game against Cullyhanna. His next game was the Ulster final
QuoteNo. Jamie was sent off in the armagh semi final drawn game against Cullyhanna. His next game was the Ulster final
Sure he didn't score anything in this year's Ulster final, Galls are hardly interested in whether he plays or not.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 26, 2011, 12:40:17 AM
QuoteNo. Jamie was sent off in the armagh semi final drawn game against Cullyhanna. His next game was the Ulster final
Sure he didn't score anything in this year's Ulster final, Galls are hardly interested in whether he plays or not.
His form hasn't been great this year either, he couldn't even score against Ballymacnab!
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Quote from: armaghniac on October 26, 2011, 12:40:17 AM
QuoteNo. Jamie was sent off in the armagh semi final drawn game against Cullyhanna. His next game was the Ulster final
Sure he didn't score anything in this year's Ulster final, Galls are hardly interested in whether he plays or not.
His form hasn't been great this year either, he couldn't even score against Ballymacnab!
IIRC the corner back marking him got a point! He has clearly gone to shit and is not interested anymore. I heard he's been drinking, smoking and riding flat out, and has even put on a few pounds. Without this scoring threat St Gall's will win 3-25 to 0-3 ;)
Good to know that Tyrone can't be knocked out this weekend anyway!
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on October 26, 2011, 12:58:47 PM
Good to know that Tyrone can't be knocked out this weekend anyway!
Do most of the top Tyrone teams not have Derry men at the helm these days?
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Quote from: Radda bout yeee on October 26, 2011, 12:58:47 PM
Good to know that Tyrone can't be knocked out this weekend anyway!
Do most of the top Tyrone teams not have Derry men at the helm these days?
4 semi-finalists had anyway (Cassidy, McIvor, Paddy Crozier and Ronan McGuckin)
Quote from: drici on October 24, 2011, 01:43:56 PM
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=137894
St. Gall's star CJ McGourty has blasted the performance of referee Joe McQuillan in last Sunday's Ulster club SFC first round defeat to Crossmaglen.
The Cavan official issued 12 yellow and two red cards as the Belfast side crashed out at the first defence of their provincial and All-Ireland crowns.
"I think Joe McQuillan was terrible, he was absolutely terrible," McGourty said.
"I'm not going to say he was good. I'm going to speak my mind and he was terrible. He didn't beat St. Gall's and he didn't make Crossmaglen win, but he had an atrocious match. But once the football started, they were far superior and deserved their victory. They played better football."
Geoffrey McGourty is correct. McQuillan was absolutely terrible that day, as he was in 2005 when St. Gall's saw off Mayobridge in the Marshes. You have to question the gombeen men who think it is appropriate to appoint Mr McQuillan for this match.
I believe that Cross deliberately set out to make their games unrefereeable (if such a word exists). The amount of off the ball niggling and verbals they do is immense. They try to draw opposition teams into a battle where the opponents lose their discipline and by extension the game. It is impossible for the referee and his officials to see and act on all of the off the ball stuff, but a bit of wit and a common sense approach should allow it to be nipped in the bud early in the match. I've seen the amount of nips one of the Gall's men received all over his back in the course of last year's game, how he didn't respond to the intimidation is beyond me. Coupled with the off the ball shenanigans of course, is the attempted (and on occasion physical) intimidation of opposing mentors.
Having said all that, I believe Cross will win easily on Sunday, regardless of the referee and of the degree of skulduggery they employ. I was out walking the dog one evening and happened upon Cross training. I have never seen as professional, well-drilled, intense a session. And that was just the warm up – the manager hadn't even arrived. Cross still rue the fact that St Gall's won the All-Ireland in the year Pearse Og beat Cross in the championship – they feel that it is one they missed out on and have a particular dislike of the Milltown men because of this.
The handiest money at weekend will be made by backing Cross to win; I would even suggest a go at Cross beating the handicap, provided it is no more than -10.
Class! There's a post for BC1 to pin on the changing room door :)
Quote from: sheamy on October 27, 2011, 08:46:52 AM
Class! There's a post for BC1 to pin on the changing room door :)
You wonder sometimes the point of all the training and money spent on managers when all you have to do is pin a piece of paper on the back of the changing room door.
Quote from: tonesfirstandlast on October 27, 2011, 09:36:47 AM
Quote from: sheamy on October 27, 2011, 08:46:52 AM
Class! There's a post for BC1 to pin on the changing room door :)
You wonder sometimes the point of all the training and money spent on managers when all you have to do is pin a piece of paper on the back of the changing room door.
That's true TFAL. I never thought of that. Maybe Bellaghy should try it?
Quote from: sheamy on October 27, 2011, 08:46:52 AM
Class! There's a post for BC1 to pin on the changing room door :)
If you think we need SS2's rantings to get us ready for St Galls then ;D
I have to say SS2 you really are obsessed about our skulduggery, and how we win games by making it "unrefereeable"(if itaked shins exists or not, I like it!). If for one moment you think we are the only teams who have ever done it ask David O Neill, or Danny Quinn, or Kevin Gunn, or isyourboydownyet or the inbred Balubas, or any number of players who have tortured Cross forwards over the years. I was never an angel but trust me I had the nips and the raked shins, or the fat lip/ear/nose/eyes. I recently watched the replay of the Ulster final against Ballinderry a few years back and the "skulduggery" employed that day by the Derry man was scandalous but shit happens and ye get on with it. I can guarantee that there will be plenty of the "dark arts" employed on Sunday by the men in Blue and Lenny is getting his early pass in through the press to make sure his men get a freer ride. Ga,mes are won on the grass though not in the paper so we'll see how well his tactics work.
Serious attack on Derry teams from a man who was a thug himself. Rich coming from BC1 about galls playing the media as no club does it better than Cross. Being honest the treatment galls received last year was deplorable and no other team in Ulster would have got away with it. And when it comes to play acting no team does it better. The "hard" midfielder, in another club he would be a thug who got the kilmacud player sent off in the semi final last year and if my memory serves me right, I have seen that other "hard" player McDonald lying down getting players sent off. No doubt McQuillan has served Cross well over the years.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 27, 2011, 10:06:16 AM
I recently watched the replay of the Ulster final against Ballinderry a few years back and the "skulduggery" employed that day by the Derry man was scandalous but shit happens and ye get on with it.
How Francie Bellew stayed on the pitch that day I will never comprehend. He assaulted all round him, was booked, was ticked and eventually had to be hauled off by the management. Cross cynically fouled all round them from the first minute to the last. You're right, there was rascality on all sides that day but by jasus it was enjoyable! Remind me who the ref was again :D
Hopefully a rematch in a couple of weeks time...
Quote from: sheamy on October 27, 2011, 10:20:45 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 27, 2011, 10:06:16 AM
I recently watched the replay of the Ulster final against Ballinderry a few years back and the "skulduggery" employed that day by the Derry man was scandalous but shit happens and ye get on with it.
How Francie Bellew stayed on the pitch that day I will never comprehend. He assaulted all round him, was booked, was ticked and eventually had to be hauled off by the management. Cross cynically fouled all round them from the first minute to the last. You're right, there was rascality on all sides that day but by jasus it was enjoyable! Remind me who the ref was again :D
Hopefully a rematch in a couple of weeks time...
Brian Crowe was ref that day and Francie was indeed lucky to stay on that day for the "headbutt". Darren Conway should have walked as well that day.
Quote from: tonesfirstandlast on October 27, 2011, 10:20:10 AM
Serious attack on Derry teams from a man who was a thug himself. Rich coming from BC1 about galls playing the media as no club does it better than Cross. Being honest the treatment galls received last year was deplorable and no other team in Ulster would have got away with it. And when it comes to play acting no team does it better. The "hard" midfielder, in another club he would be a thug who got the kilmacud player sent off in the semi final last year and if my memory serves me right, I have seen that other "hard" player McDonald lying down getting players sent off. No doubt McQuillan has served Cross well over the years.
Touched a nerve dear? :D
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 27, 2011, 10:27:05 AM
Brian Crowe was ref that day and Francie was indeed lucky to stay on that day for the "headbutt". Darren Conway should have walked as well that day.
Crowe did the replay. I believe Lord Sludden of Louth did the drawn game.
From what I remember of the game last year, and particularly during the early stages, it was St Galls who were going in heavy and illegally and really trying to put down a marker physically.
Quote from: sheamy on October 27, 2011, 10:32:02 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 27, 2011, 10:27:05 AM
Brian Crowe was ref that day and Francie was indeed lucky to stay on that day for the "headbutt". Darren Conway should have walked as well that day.
Crowe did the replay. I believe Lord Sludden of Louth did the drawn game.
It's the replay I am talking about.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 27, 2011, 10:44:00 AM
Quote from: sheamy on October 27, 2011, 10:32:02 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 27, 2011, 10:27:05 AM
Brian Crowe was ref that day and Francie was indeed lucky to stay on that day for the "headbutt". Darren Conway should have walked as well that day.
Crowe did the replay. I believe Lord Sludden of Louth did the drawn game.
It's the replay I am talking about.
ah ok. The three reds were in the drawn game as was most of the 'craic'. Cross cruised the replay. Had big Enda shown a wee bit more composure at the end, shams would have won the first day. Best team over the two games won though, no question.
Was the headbutt in the replay? Francie was a hooligan both days. I can't remember now. It was the coldest couple of days I ever remember for a game. I don't forget that.
Quote from: sheamy on October 27, 2011, 10:51:22 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 27, 2011, 10:44:00 AM
Quote from: sheamy on October 27, 2011, 10:32:02 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 27, 2011, 10:27:05 AM
Brian Crowe was ref that day and Francie was indeed lucky to stay on that day for the "headbutt". Darren Conway should have walked as well that day.
Crowe did the replay. I believe Lord Sludden of Louth did the drawn game.
It's the replay I am talking about.
ah ok. The three reds were in the drawn game as was most of the 'craic'. Cross cruised the replay. Had big Enda shown a wee bit more composure at the end, shams would have won the first day. Best team over the two games won though, no question.
Was the headbutt in the replay? Francie was a hooligan both days. I can't remember now. It was the coldest couple of days I ever remember for a game. I don't forget that.
he pushed his head back into Wilkinsons head, not really a head but and there was minimal contact. 2 minutes later Wilkinson took a big "fall" to get Francie in trouble. You're right the drawn game was also a tough game.
Quote from: tonesfirstandlast on October 27, 2011, 10:20:10 AM
Serious attack on Derry teams from a man who was a thug himself. Rich coming from BC1 about galls playing the media as no club does it better than Cross. Being honest the treatment galls received last year was deplorable and no other team in Ulster would have got away with it. And when it comes to play acting no team does it better. The "hard" midfielder, in another club he would be a thug who got the kilmacud player sent off in the semi final last year and if my memory serves me right, I have seen that other "hard" player McDonald lying down getting players sent off. No doubt McQuillan has served Cross well over the years.
Two very valid points tfal.
I hope Mr McQuillan (if he is not replaced, and replaced he should be) has grown a set since last year.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 27, 2011, 10:06:16 AM
Quote from: sheamy on October 27, 2011, 08:46:52 AM
Class! There's a post for BC1 to pin on the changing room door :)
If you think we need SS2's rantings to get us ready for St Galls then ;D
I have to say SS2 you really are obsessed about our skulduggery, and how we win games by making it "unrefereeable"(if itaked shins exists or not, I like it!). If for one moment you think we are the only teams who have ever done it ask David O Neill, or Danny Quinn, or Kevin Gunn, or isyourboydownyet or the inbred Balubas, or any number of players who have tortured Cross forwards over the years. I was never an angel but trust me I had the nips and the raked shins, or the fat lip/ear/nose/eyes. I recently watched the replay of the Ulster final against Ballinderry a few years back and the "skulduggery" employed that day by the Derry man was scandalous but shit happens and ye get on with it. I can guarantee that there will be plenty of the "dark arts" employed on Sunday by the men in Blue and Lenny is getting his early pass in through the press to make sure his men get a freer ride. Ga,mes are won on the grass though not in the paper so we'll see how well his tactics work.
Again, BC1, it is rich for someone from Crossmaglen talking about inbreds. Jaysus, take a look at someone of them supporters of yours and you would know that breeding has to be first cousins at least. :D :D
Quote from: saffron sam2 on October 27, 2011, 11:53:03 AM
Quote from: tonesfirstandlast on October 27, 2011, 10:20:10 AM
Serious attack on Derry teams from a man who was a thug himself. Rich coming from BC1 about galls playing the media as no club does it better than Cross. Being honest the treatment galls received last year was deplorable and no other team in Ulster would have got away with it. And when it comes to play acting no team does it better. The "hard" midfielder, in another club he would be a thug who got the kilmacud player sent off in the semi final last year and if my memory serves me right, I have seen that other "hard" player McDonald lying down getting players sent off. No doubt McQuillan has served Cross well over the years.
Two very valid points tfal.
I hope Mr McQuillan (if he is not replaced, and replaced he should be) has grown a set since last year.
Get over yourself, I think if you watch the match from last year you will find that St Galls were as bad as we were and if anything they were more cynical in the early stages. McQuillan sent off 2 Cross men and that seems to be forgotten. Stewart maybe shouldn't have been sent off for what he was but the reality is he was lucky that it hadn't happened earlier. As for us playing the meida, examples please.
Quote from: tonesfirstandlast on October 27, 2011, 11:57:21 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 27, 2011, 10:06:16 AM
Quote from: sheamy on October 27, 2011, 08:46:52 AM
Class! There's a post for BC1 to pin on the changing room door :)
If you think we need SS2's rantings to get us ready for St Galls then ;D
I have to say SS2 you really are obsessed about our skulduggery, and how we win games by making it "unrefereeable"(if itaked shins exists or not, I like it!). If for one moment you think we are the only teams who have ever done it ask David O Neill, or Danny Quinn, or Kevin Gunn, or isyourboydownyet or the inbred Balubas, or any number of players who have tortured Cross forwards over the years. I was never an angel but trust me I had the nips and the raked shins, or the fat lip/ear/nose/eyes. I recently watched the replay of the Ulster final against Ballinderry a few years back and the "skulduggery" employed that day by the Derry man was scandalous but shit happens and ye get on with it. I can guarantee that there will be plenty of the "dark arts" employed on Sunday by the men in Blue and Lenny is getting his early pass in through the press to make sure his men get a freer ride. Ga,mes are won on the grass though not in the paper so we'll see how well his tactics work.
Again, BC1, it is rich for someone from Crossmaglen talking about inbreds. Jaysus, take a look at someone of them supporters of yours and you would know that breeding has to be first cousins at least. :D :D
Definitely hit a nerve
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 27, 2011, 10:57:46 AM
Quote from: sheamy on October 27, 2011, 10:51:22 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 27, 2011, 10:44:00 AM
Quote from: sheamy on October 27, 2011, 10:32:02 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 27, 2011, 10:27:05 AM
Brian Crowe was ref that day and Francie was indeed lucky to stay on that day for the "headbutt". Darren Conway should have walked as well that day.
Crowe did the replay. I believe Lord Sludden of Louth did the drawn game.
It's the replay I am talking about.
ah ok. The three reds were in the drawn game as was most of the 'craic'. Cross cruised the replay. Had big Enda shown a wee bit more composure at the end, shams would have won the first day. Best team over the two games won though, no question.
Was the headbutt in the replay? Francie was a hooligan both days. I can't remember now. It was the coldest couple of days I ever remember for a game. I don't forget that.
he pushed his head back into Wilkinsons head, not really a head but and there was minimal contact. 2 minutes later Wilkinson took a big "fall" to get Francie in trouble. You're right the drawn game was also a tough game.
bc you've clearly a selective memory here cos it was very much an intentional butt with the back of his head to brian mcguckin. should've walked and surprised you can defend it tbh bc. wilkinson not involved in the incident at all.
could've changed the game drastically had brian crowe made the correct decision. having said that cross were better team over 60mins
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Quote from: sheamy on October 27, 2011, 10:32:02 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 27, 2011, 10:27:05 AM
Brian Crowe was ref that day and Francie was indeed lucky to stay on that day for the "headbutt". Darren Conway should have walked as well that day.
Crowe did the replay. I believe Lord Sludden of Louth did the drawn game.
It's the replay I am talking about.
ah ok. The three reds were in the drawn game as was most of the 'craic'. Cross cruised the replay. Had big Enda shown a wee bit more composure at the end, shams would have won the first day. Best team over the two games won though, no question.
Was the headbutt in the replay? Francie was a hooligan both days. I can't remember now. It was the coldest couple of days I ever remember for a game. I don't forget that.
he pushed his head back into Wilkinsons head, not really a head but and there was minimal contact. 2 minutes later Wilkinson took a big "fall" to get Francie in trouble. You're right the drawn game was also a tough game.
bc you've clearly a selective memory here cos it was very much an intentional butt with the back of his head to brian mcguckin. should've walked and surprised you can defend it tbh bc. wilkinson not involved in the incident at all.
could've changed the game drastically had brian crowe made the correct decision. having said that cross were better team over 60mins
You're right it was McGuckin. It was a push backwards with minimal contact, no massive force in it and I did say that he was lucky to stay on the field, how is that defending it?
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Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 27, 2011, 10:44:00 AM
Quote from: sheamy on October 27, 2011, 10:32:02 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 27, 2011, 10:27:05 AM
Brian Crowe was ref that day and Francie was indeed lucky to stay on that day for the "headbutt". Darren Conway should have walked as well that day.
Crowe did the replay. I believe Lord Sludden of Louth did the drawn game.
It's the replay I am talking about.
ah ok. The three reds were in the drawn game as was most of the 'craic'. Cross cruised the replay. Had big Enda shown a wee bit more composure at the end, shams would have won the first day. Best team over the two games won though, no question.
Was the headbutt in the replay? Francie was a hooligan both days. I can't remember now. It was the coldest couple of days I ever remember for a game. I don't forget that.
he pushed his head back into Wilkinsons head, not really a head but and there was minimal contact. 2 minutes later Wilkinson took a big "fall" to get Francie in trouble. You're right the drawn game was also a tough game.
bc you've clearly a selective memory here cos it was very much an intentional butt with the back of his head to brian mcguckin. should've walked and surprised you can defend it tbh bc. wilkinson not involved in the incident at all.
could've changed the game drastically had brian crowe made the correct decision. having said that cross were better team over 60mins
You're right it was McGuckin. It was a push backwards with minimal contact, no massive force in it and I did say that he was lucky to stay on the field, how is that defending it?
sorry didnt see ur earlier post. as for it being a butt or a push, we'll have to agree to disagree....as long as you're okay with being wrong :P
any burren/roslea/glenswilly/latton posters out there? whats your opinion on ur quarters being put back for the IR?
Whats your views on the Ballinderry v Dromore game. Tyrone champs v Derry champs
Should be a good game ?
Quote from: bustsummoves on October 27, 2011, 02:30:28 PM
Whats your views on the Ballinderry v Dromore game. Tyrone champs v Derry champs
Should be a good game ?
Ballinderry with plenty of spare change.
Quote from: bustsummoves on October 27, 2011, 02:30:28 PM
Whats your views on the Ballinderry v Dromore game. Tyrone champs v Derry champs
Should be a good game ?
Will be very tight. Ballinderry not impressive in Derry championship at all. Whether they can step it up a bit is the question. Dromore playing champagne football over past two games. Depends how champagne they had on Sunday/Monday past.
Christ BC1 took a bit of a hammering today ;D
As we all know nothing won here and opinions on how things went last year mean sh1t all. Two facts remain, Cross beat us and went on to lift the All Ireland, brilliant team and have improved from last year, which means they will win on Sunday. We may have won another Antrim Championship, but have we improved from last year?
What needs to happen for us to win is simple:
We play better than last year (though not enough)
Cross have a poor enough game (don't take their chances)
Referee and his associates cotton on to the "on the edge tactics" employed by Cross (I know we also give a bit early on last year but it was reckless and not part of our plans)
And finally BC1 needs to walk under a ladder, break a mirror and stand on all the cracks on the pavements
with the time of year, conditions of pitches and quality of all 4 teams involved, it's absolutely impossible to call these 2 games on Sunday.
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on October 27, 2011, 09:53:23 PM
with the time of year, conditions of pitches and quality of all 4 teams involved, it's absolutely impossible to call these 2 games on Sunday.
Weather to be fine this weekend and Casement's pitch is usually in some nick so I don't think conditions will make much of a difference.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 27, 2011, 09:58:09 PM
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on October 27, 2011, 09:53:23 PM
with the time of year, conditions of pitches and quality of all 4 teams involved, it's absolutely impossible to call these 2 games on Sunday.
Weather to be fine this weekend and Casement's pitch is usually in some nick so I don't think conditions will make much of a difference.
Brolly or sun cream?
Just a Mac ;)
Ya better buy me a pint in club afterwards, regardless of the result, ya WUM
Is St. Galls v Cross live on TG4 tomorrow ?
Cross to win easy in the end me thinks
Ballinderry should win the other game by 1-3pts
Quote from: Armaghgael on October 29, 2011, 08:43:30 PM
Cross to win easy in the end me thinks
Ballinderry should win the other game by 1-3pts
With our depleted squad Cross should win out by 6. Other game is harder to call. Home advantage my give Dromore that bit extra
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2011, 10:32:15 PM
Quote from: Armaghgael on October 29, 2011, 08:43:30 PM
Cross to win easy in the end me thinks
Ballinderry should win the other game by 1-3pts
With our depleted squad Cross should win out by 6. Other game is harder to call. Home advantage my give Dromore that bit extra
We had a depleted squad in the corresponding fixture last year and still won.
You are playing mind games.
So even more a reason that you'll win handy tomorrow ffs! Honestly no wind up.
We couldn't beat cross last year with our best team. Minus our better players we are on a hiding. Hopefully someone else from Armagh wins soon
Hats off to yas. The good money will be on Cross at minus 2 11/8. We will stay with yas till ten minutes into second half then fall away.
Nothing won on a auld discussion board lads. I'm sure none of the lads would even read these things
is joseph mcquillan still do ref today?
Unfortunately I have to work today so can't make it to the game. Never used a radio in my life to listen to the games. Where's best for me to listen to the match? Internet, iPhone, does sky have the station it's being broadcast on?
Thanks for your help.
Radio ulster is doing the game Paul. 1341 mw i think.
It's as well I don't wind up people on here as you do milltown with you outing me there!
But ta anyway
No harm to ya Flan but i think you outed yourself with that username!
Is this game on TV or not today?? Says the Kerry final is on TV??
Good luck to crossmaglen today in their quest to put back to back ulsters together and who knows what else!
B'derry leading by 2 at HT 1-6 to 0-7
Cross goal twice in the first minute of second half. All over bar the shouting. 3-5 to 0-2
1-11 to 0-12 points for B'derry, final.
Cross win by 7 or 8 points. St Galls had a mini fight back with 2 quick goals but Cross stemmed the tide and ran out comfortable victors. Couple of worrying injuries to their number 8 and Paul Kernan though.
Where will Cross/Bderry be at ? Omagh or Casement ? Maybe Enniskillen ?
St Galls were marginally better than Ballymacnab - seriously. Cross were so superior it was unreal, showboating and messing about robbed them of a few more scores, very disappointed with a petulant St Galls, 2 goals from hoofing the ball in took the bad look of the score. Jamie Clarke ran amok, his goal at the start displayed all his class and cheek. I thought Aaron cunningham was MOTM, a player I would have had a lot of reservations about, but he was very influential today - had a great game. Beautiful day for football, when they play Ballinderry in a couple of weeks it could be playing in gutters, so it could be different. I dont know much about Ballinderry but Cross have moved onto another plain with this 'new' team, I'd be very suprised if they dont lift Ulster after today's showing.
Any update on Hanratty? Referee could have easily sent him off.
Jerome's videos are class, fair play to him for getting them up so early.
Cunningham should have walked and shouldn't have been on the pitch to be outstanding.
Cross a million miles the better team. 7 points isn't a true reflection of the difference in the team. Hard to see anyone beating them. Some cracking players who don't play county too.
Hanratty was as badly injured as I've ever seen anyone on a football pitch. Hope he's ok. Should have walked too.
Cross are such a good team - I fail to see why they need to get up to half the stuff they do. So many third men tackles and off the balls. No need for it.
McGourty is an eejit. I think he wanted to get sent off to get out of there.
I saw the Cunningham incident from the far side of the pitch, and my immediate reaction was that he'd nothing to answer tbh. Cross do what it takes to win, they just did it better than Galls & as i wrote in my previous post I thought Galls were very petulant and wouldn't strike you as a team that have the experience of winning an AI.
I thought that McGourty's deliberate follow through when PK was lying on the ground was despicable. Kernan was lying prone on the ground and CJ just flopped down on top of him giving Kernan a bad injury by the looks of things.
It was obvious that the Cross physio seen what happened as well.
I said in the car before the game that people outside of Armagh just don't realise how good Cross are. They assume that Cross just keep winning because the standard of football in Armagh are poor, but the reality is that Cross, as a club team, are of a totally different standard to anything that is out there.
That would be McGourty alright, he wouldn't be too interested man on man but is good at the gutless stuff.
Hanratty got hurt trying to hurt someone else so fcuk him. Have no problem with that. Cross superior team have said it here previous and with no messing. Mentioned winning by 6 i was wrong.
As for benny saying that other armagh teams are good. Shows he knows fcuk all about football. Or can't he count? We were beat by seven. Nab beat by 25!
Football terms Cross on different planet. As said already no need for the messing about.
If the doctor was sent off why was he still on the pitch? Two times they have staff coming on and hitting people from behind!! :)
Quote from: bennydorano on October 30, 2011, 05:54:58 PM
I saw the Cunningham incident from the far side of the pitch, and my immediate reaction was that he'd nothing to answer tbh. Cross do what it takes to win, they just did it better than Galls & as i wrote in my previous post I thought Galls were very petulant and wouldn't strike you as a team that have the experience of winning an AI.
Nonsense Benny. He took Kelly out, and could have seriously hurt him, and should have seen red. You are either talking about a different incident or have very tainted glasses on there.
At that stage the game was won. They weren't doing what it took to win. They are a great team - great players all over. They just go further with the dirty stuff than they need too. Yes a lot of petulance from st galls too. Mainly CJ McGourty really.
MR that guy was really badly hurt. Either a spine / neck injury to have him go off the way he did. Hopefully just a concussion but looked bad. Irrespective of him going to do Niblock you'd not wish that on anyone.
Well if he hurt himself, tough. Reap what ya sow.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 30, 2011, 06:53:57 PM
Hanratty got hurt trying to hurt someone else so fcuk him. Have no problem with that. Cross superior team have said it here previous and with no messing. Mentioned winning by 6 i was wrong.
As for benny saying that other armagh teams are good. Shows he knows fcuk all about football. Or can't he count? We were beat by seven. Nab beat by 25!
Football terms Cross on different planet. As said already no need for the messing about.
If the doctor was sent off why was he still on the pitch? Two times they have staff coming on and hitting people from behind!! :)
No harm Milltown but that's f**king low, he went hard for a ball as did your amn and Johnny smacked his head when he fell. St Galls men I was sitting with agreed with me on that count. I would have given you more credit than that.
Gerry was silly for whacking CJ when he went on to PK but in fairness to him it was hard not to hit that wee tr**p. Cowardly act on PK, knees full force into Aaron when on the ground, the St Galls men themselves said "well at least he'll get his picture in the paper!" They also said he is the greatest at starting things but the worst at finishing them!
As for the game we were genuinely 10-12 points better than St Galls and only we went to sleep and allowed big Darren those 2 balls we would have won by that and more. Outside of Kelly and Niblock and the no 9 St Galls had no leaders. Tactically Lenny got it wrong. When I heard that O Hare was playing I presumed it would be in FF so that CJ and Niblock would feed off his scraps, even the St Galls men around me couldn't understand why that wasn't done earlier as he was no use whatsoever in MF.
We won the MF, big david had another storming game as did Johnny till he went off. We just seemed to have more options for scores than St Galls and the workrate of the forward line to tackle back was exceptional. If they had taken a few of the scores that were there for the taking in the last 10 minutes it would have capped it off nicely. Ballinderry will be another step up but if lads get back from injury then there is no reason not to feel confident.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 30, 2011, 06:53:57 PM
Hanratty got hurt trying to hurt someone else so fcuk him. Have no problem with that. Cross superior team have said it here previous and with no messing. Mentioned winning by 6 i was wrong.
As for benny saying that other armagh teams are good. Shows he knows fcuk all about football. Or can't he count? We were beat by seven. Nab beat by 25!
Football terms Cross on different planet. As said already no need for the messing about.
If the doctor was sent off why was he still on the pitch? Two times they have staff coming on and hitting people from behind!! :)
Idiotic to attempt to portray that one match as reflective as Armagh club football as a whole.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 30, 2011, 06:53:57 PM
As for benny saying that other armagh teams are good. Shows he knows fcuk all about football. Or can't he count? We were beat by seven. Nab beat by 25!
Hell of a lot better than Antrim football anyway. Nab, in their first year of Division I, in their first SFC final, got handy side of draw; bye into QF, beat a team relegated from Division I and then beat a team also just promoted from Division II...So I wouldn't judge Armagh football based on them.
In fact, Cross get plenty of hard tests in Armagh, as well as dishing out tankings that they are just as liable to do on the provincial/AI stage.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 30, 2011, 07:10:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 30, 2011, 06:53:57 PM
Hanratty got hurt trying to hurt someone else so fcuk him. Have no problem with that. Cross superior team have said it here previous and with no messing. Mentioned winning by 6 i was wrong.
As for benny saying that other armagh teams are good. Shows he knows fcuk all about football. Or can't he count? We were beat by seven. Nab beat by 25!
Football terms Cross on different planet. As said already no need for the messing about.
If the doctor was sent off why was he still on the pitch? Two times they have staff coming on and hitting people from behind!! :)
No harm Milltown but that's f**king low, he went hard for a ball as did your amn and Johnny smacked his head when he fell. St Galls men I was sitting with agreed with me on that count. I would have given you more credit than that.
Gerry was silly for whacking CJ when he went on to PK but in fairness to him it was hard not to hit that wee tr**p. Cowardly act on PK, knees full force into Aaron when on the ground, the St Galls men themselves said "well at least he'll get his picture in the paper!" They also said he is the greatest at starting things but the worst at finishing them!
As for the game we were genuinely 10-12 points better than St Galls and only we went to sleep and allowed big Darren those 2 balls we would have won by that and more. Outside of Kelly and Niblock and the no 9 St Galls had no leaders. Tactically Lenny got it wrong. When I heard that O Hare was playing I presumed it would be in FF so that CJ and Niblock would feed off his scraps, even the St Galls men around me couldn't understand why that wasn't done earlier as he was no use whatsoever in MF.
We won the MF, big david had another storming game as did Johnny till he went off. We just seemed to have more options for scores than St Galls and the workrate of the forward line to tackle back was exceptional. If they had taken a few of the scores that were there for the taking in the last 10 minutes it would have capped it off nicely. Ballinderry will be another step up but if lads get back from injury then there is no reason not to feel confident.
15-20 points better is probably more reflective. I do not understand why O'Hare was in midfield - he would never have had the legs for it.
Your mentors shouldn't be at that - tr**p or not.
Be interesting to see what kind of challenge Ballinderry put up. I'd expect it to be stronger than today's challenge but Cross should still be a good bit too strong. They seem to be getting better and better.
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 30, 2011, 07:18:16 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 30, 2011, 07:10:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 30, 2011, 06:53:57 PM
Hanratty got hurt trying to hurt someone else so fcuk him. Have no problem with that. Cross superior team have said it here previous and with no messing. Mentioned winning by 6 i was wrong.
As for benny saying that other armagh teams are good. Shows he knows fcuk all about football. Or can't he count? We were beat by seven. Nab beat by 25!
Football terms Cross on different planet. As said already no need for the messing about.
If the doctor was sent off why was he still on the pitch? Two times they have staff coming on and hitting people from behind!! :)
No harm Milltown but that's f**king low, he went hard for a ball as did your amn and Johnny smacked his head when he fell. St Galls men I was sitting with agreed with me on that count. I would have given you more credit than that.
Gerry was silly for whacking CJ when he went on to PK but in fairness to him it was hard not to hit that wee tr**p. Cowardly act on PK, knees full force into Aaron when on the ground, the St Galls men themselves said "well at least he'll get his picture in the paper!" They also said he is the greatest at starting things but the worst at finishing them!
As for the game we were genuinely 10-12 points better than St Galls and only we went to sleep and allowed big Darren those 2 balls we would have won by that and more. Outside of Kelly and Niblock and the no 9 St Galls had no leaders. Tactically Lenny got it wrong. When I heard that O Hare was playing I presumed it would be in FF so that CJ and Niblock would feed off his scraps, even the St Galls men around me couldn't understand why that wasn't done earlier as he was no use whatsoever in MF.
We won the MF, big david had another storming game as did Johnny till he went off. We just seemed to have more options for scores than St Galls and the workrate of the forward line to tackle back was exceptional. If they had taken a few of the scores that were there for the taking in the last 10 minutes it would have capped it off nicely. Ballinderry will be another step up but if lads get back from injury then there is no reason not to feel confident.
15-20 points better is probably more reflective. I do not understand why O'Hare was in midfield - he would never have had the legs for it.
Your mentors shouldn't be at that - tr**p or not.
Be interesting to see what kind of challenge Ballinderry put up. I'd expect it to be stronger than today's challenge but Cross should still be a good bit too strong. They seem to be getting better and better.
I fully agree, Gerry should not have and it was a case of red mist but it was wrong. Ballinderry will be very hard to beat. They will feel that they have something to prove against us. It is a different Cross team than that team that beat them but they will still feel they have to prove a point.
I thought perhaps your best player today was your number 2. Can't mind his name. Boys that are meant to be your lesser players are marking decent, and Niblock is actually decent at county level, county players out of it. That's very hard to compete against and gives your other bigger players a freer reign. Clarke more or less unmarkable at that level too.
Based on that I would say you'll win by 4 or 5 against Ballinderry but you'll get more of a game.
Burren I would expect to be your biggest challengers.
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 30, 2011, 07:38:07 PM
I thought perhaps your best player today was your number 2. Can't mind his name. Boys that are meant to be your lesser players are marking decent, and Niblock is actually decent at county level, county players out of it. That's very hard to compete against and gives your other bigger players a freer reign. Clarke more or less unmarkable at that level too.
Based on that I would say you'll win by 4 or 5 against Ballinderry but you'll get more of a game.
Burren I would expect to be your biggest challengers.
No 2 is James Morgan and was very good today, particularly so when he had a yellow after about 3 minutes!!! He will be on the Armagh squad next year if they have any sense. Niblock was St Galls most dangerous forward but the reality is that for most of the game he was ploughing a very lonely furrow. Jamie thinks about 2 moves ahead of most markers at this level but Ballinderry will have a plan for him no doubt! I would think that Kevin McGuckian will be ear marked to do an ear-marking job on our Jamie!!!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 30, 2011, 06:53:57 PM
If the doctor was sent off why was he still on the pitch?
McQuillan was at least consistent in that regard. He had earlier sent off the St Galls mentor wearing the number 1 bib, but he refused to leave the field when asked to by an Ulster official.
Fair play to cross today, sounded like a great performance.
Milltown, probably wrong to drag ballymacnab into the equation, your club won an all-ireland 2 years ago, and I still can't understand how they did it, but they did and good luck fot it. Yes, it would be great if we had more contenders in the armagh championship against cross, but to me the semi final against pearse og was the real final, and their was 4 points in it. Poor ballymacnab enjoyed an easier run to the final, and did well for their first year ever in div 1.
One thing I would say is that playing against cross and watching, i always knew it would be a hard tough game of football. But there are far worse clubs in armagh where you would be expecting sly digs and dirty thumps, so I don't agree with a lot of what has been said about them. Though i wasn't at the game today.
One final point to wind up our tyrone friends, but also a serious point::For such a great football county with a supposed brilliant club scene, your record in the ulster club is brutal! dromore failed again today, i think errigal have won it twice but no other club have won an ulster and I can't even remember too many being in ulster finals, strange.
We beat the team that beat Cross in the Armagh Championship. So we (Antrim Football) can only judge the teams in Armagh by that, Cross far better than the teams in Armagh, 25 points better ;)
As for CJ following up on that player he was wrong and sent off accordingly, no less a trap than the players who didn't get caught or by the trap of a doctor ya had on the sideline.
I won't back down on the Hanratty incident. He wasn't going for the ball and that's why the referee blew for the foul. In fact he actually should have got a yellow card follwed by a red, but McQuillian lapped it in fairness. If one of our players did that I'd say the same, I'm not biased enough to say otherwise and so should you BC1.
Cross as I've i said before are brilliant and should, barring a shock win Ulster and another All Ireland.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 30, 2011, 08:00:28 PM
We beat the team that beat Cross in the Armagh Championship. So we (Antrim Football) can only judge the teams in Armagh by that, Cross far better than the teams in Armagh, 25 points better ;)
As for CJ following up on that player he was wrong and sent off accordingly, no less a trap than the players who didn't get caught or by the trap of a doctor ya had on the sideline.
I won't back down on the Hanratty incident. He wasn't going for the ball and that's why the referee blew for the foul. In fact he actually should have got a yellow card follwed by a red, but McQuillian lapped it in fairness. If one of our players did that I'd say the same, I'm not biased enough to say otherwise and so should you BC1.
Cross as I've i said before are brilliant and should, barring a shock win Ulster and another All Ireland.
CJ was sent off for 2 books not for following through on Paul Kernan as he lay on his back on the ground and dislocating his shoulder. We'll agree to differ on the Johnny Hanratty incident, I am not saying he wasn't going in hard but I dispute there was real malice in it. For us to beat Ballinderry, never mind win Ulster, we will need at least one of the 2 injured lads back.
Has Kernan not history with the shoulder? Having that injury myself it can happen at anytime. Cj is about 11 stone FFS, with the build of your team i doubt very much he would do any damage. Sent off and rightly so, said so himself.
Thought McKenna was the best player on show followed by Clarke who impressed me again and actually better than last time i seen him playing for Cross last year in the latter stages of the All Ireland. Very composed and as said already, thinking about the next plays, he was showing players were to go before he had the ball.
I'm gutted for the players off course. We were missing a few of our best players as i said before today, we need those lads playing to have a chance. On today's performance from Cross i don't think it would have mattered
Was at match today and have to say was disappointed with St Galls really thought they would put it up to cross, Ballinderry might be a different challenge the next day. Totally cleaned out in midfield, Gallagher was obviously a big miss. For Cross, Morgan was outstanding in the first half and am looking forward to him in the Morgan Fuels Jersey in the new year. Cunningham had a good game but have to agree was lucky to survive after his challenge before half time. On a side note did the Galls number 9 get two yellows and stay oin the pitch?? A number of boys round us maintained he already had a yellow before getting one towards the end.
I think the spread of county players in the huge club base means they struggle to provide a major challenge in Ulster as its a major achievement to win Tyrone county championship on its own and I might be wrong but I don't know if it's held in the same regard in Tyrone as it is in Armagh, Derry and Down...
Quote from: Stevie Nicks on October 30, 2011, 08:21:30 PM
Was at match today and have to say was disappointed with St Galls really thought they would put it up to cross, Ballinderry might be a different challenge the next day. Totally cleaned out in midfield, Gallagher was obviously a big miss. For Cross, Morgan was outstanding in the first half and am looking forward to him in the Morgan Fuels Jersey in the new year. Cunningham had a good game but have to agree was lucky to survive after his challenge before half time. On a side note did the Galls number 9 get two yellows and stay oin the pitch?? A number of boys round us maintained he already had a yellow before getting one towards the end.
No, he only got one
Quote from: Stevie Nicks on October 30, 2011, 08:21:30 PM
Was at match today and have to say was disappointed with St Galls really thought they would put it up to cross, Ballinderry might be a different challenge the next day. Totally cleaned out in midfield, Gallagher was obviously a big miss. For Cross, Morgan was outstanding in the first half and am looking forward to him in the Morgan Fuels Jersey in the new year. Cunningham had a good game but have to agree was lucky to survive after his challenge before half time. On a side note did the Galls number 9 get two yellows and stay oin the pitch?? A number of boys round us maintained he already had a yellow before getting one towards the end.
A few round me thought that as well but when David McKenna got booked no 9 was simply spoken to and not booked. I don't think he got 2 yellows.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 30, 2011, 06:53:57 PM
Hanratty got hurt trying to hurt someone else so fcuk him. Have no problem with that. Cross superior team have said it here previous and with no messing. Mentioned winning by 6 i was wrong.
As for benny saying that other armagh teams are good. Shows he knows fcuk all about football. Or can't he count? We were beat by seven. Nab beat by 25!
Football terms Cross on different planet. As said already no need for the messing about.
If the doctor was sent off why was he still on the pitch? Two times they have staff coming on and hitting people from behind!! :)
Well we were only beat by them by 4 so that must make us 3 points better then you lot!!
Quote from: ogshead on October 30, 2011, 08:38:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 30, 2011, 06:53:57 PM
Hanratty got hurt trying to hurt someone else so fcuk him. Have no problem with that. Cross superior team have said it here previous and with no messing. Mentioned winning by 6 i was wrong.
As for benny saying that other armagh teams are good. Shows he knows fcuk all about football. Or can't he count? We were beat by seven. Nab beat by 25!
Football terms Cross on different planet. As said already no need for the messing about.
If the doctor was sent off why was he still on the pitch? Two times they have staff coming on and hitting people from behind!! :)
Well we were only beat by them by 4 so that must make us 3 points better then you lot!!
When it really mattered we beat ya's.
You really have to say that AI St Galls won was one of the softest you will see.
Quote from: Trout on October 30, 2011, 08:53:35 PM
You really have to say that AI St Galls won was one of the softest you will see.
Of course Trout, they are the easiest things in the world to win. How many has your club won?
What a stupid thing to post, stick to Shinner bashing
Hanratty should have got a 2nd yellow and gone, concussion or not. Ball was gone and he took out the man, yellow card.
Galls didnt believe from the start, too interested in niggly stuff after a free instead of moving ball long.
First goal Brady dropped a free catch, it came down off his knee to Clarke, what happened thereafter for that goal words cant describe.
Galls missed their injured players.
Galls took forever on the ball as they'd noone to hit it too until O'Hare went into FF. After the first ball high into O'HAre for the Galls goal the next ball was kicked wide to left footed Stewart on the left, the ball after was kicked in low. A blind man would have kicked ball after ball on O'Hare's head, not in front of him, not to the side, up above him. It gave Galls a focal point and frightened Cross. Granted McKenna caught a few that werent well directed, but ball after ball would have yielded goals.
Re Jamie Clarke--he is a joy to watch, an unreal talent, slippery, smart, awesome but if he was on the Galls team would Cross have let him mozzy around as he did today, winning ball after ball? Doubt it --Francie/Mickey Linden anyone?!
Game was never really a contest.
Cross play seriously on and a bit over the edge, it annoyed many neutrals i was with but it works for them. Their physio will have given CJ a sore back in the morning, he'll have whiplash for a week--he buried him from behind. They move the ball so quick and are so sharp. Galls on the other hand carried the ball into tackles when they should have laced it.
Cross corner backs were great--boy on Niblock is great and McKeown is also--tough as they come.
CJ cant play corner forward at that level without a big man to mouch off--he still stands pointing his hand in the air as if he's Kieran Donaghy--he rarely runs out in front for a ball. 3 times in 1st half i noticed Galls on the ball around midfield with not one forward inside the Cross 45. 0-2 at half time and 0-1 from play wont win these games.
Good idea to finally send Darren to FF but too late--cross had scored 3 goals (take a bow Jamie Clarke) by that stage.
Colin Brady didnt win one ball hit into Clarke all day. Good passing into Clarke, Clarke's serious pace and guile and Gall's lack of mean streak meant Clarke had a field day. Also Brady dived in many times as Clarke caught possession. As Clarke runs for a ball he slows, waits till his marker is right behind him, collects possession and spins his man, turning on a sixpence--he must have done it 20 times to Brady today
Cross going well but like any team if they concede early and go behind they will be vulnerable. Say Galls got the early goal and bombarded balls into Darren from the start,it may have been different.
I'd have Enda Muldoon on at 14 and send ball in on top of him the next day from the start
Having a more mobile target man would be interesting against cross. McKenna had to move back which, while it worked today, may not work on other days.
St Galls no 9 only booked once. Twice in first 5 minutes cross and galls payer spoken too and only the cross player booked. (Lenny's mind games might have worked...)
For people to say they don't know how st galls won an AI is ridiculous. It's not like that was the only year they were in it - they have been in two AI finals. When they hammered the Clare team they also had to beat the Galway champs in the semi. Salthill only beat them by a point in the first final and they were nearly a who's who of galway football.
St Galls play a sevens brand of football - it doesn't work against Cross.
Quote from: Gold on October 30, 2011, 09:21:39 PM
I'd have Enda Muldoon on at 14 and send ball in on top of him the next day from the start
I fear that, with Gilligan floating around him picking up the pieces. I think this will be a major advantage that they will have and could be the difference between the 2 teams. We will obviously go into the game as favourites but this may give Ballinderry an edge that could sway it for them.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 30, 2011, 09:32:40 PM
Quote from: Gold on October 30, 2011, 09:21:39 PM
I'd have Enda Muldoon on at 14 and send ball in on top of him the next day from the start
I fear that, with Gilligan floating around him picking up the pieces. I think this will be a major advantage that they will have and could be the difference between the 2 teams. We will obviously go into the game as favourites but this may give Ballinderry an edge that could sway it for them.
Not that McEntee will have caught on to that. McKenna would make a decent fullback. Hopefully we can get back to the Ulster championship next year, beat Trouts all Ireland team along the way ;)
Is there much coming through in the 17-21 age bracket at St Gall's?
When you're reverting back to DO'H it's not a good sign, albeit he seemed to be effective this time.
Quote from: ONeill on October 30, 2011, 09:45:26 PM
Is there much coming through in the 17-21 age bracket at St Gall's?
When you're reverting back to DO'H it's not a good sign, albeit he seemed to be effective this time.
We have about 3/4 players that will come on to the team but fact is we have at least 3 good years left at doing well at Ulster level should we win Antrim.
We can't keep going forever, teams will eventually get the better of us, Creggan Lamhs have done well at under 18 and 21 over the last few seasons and Cargin are always breeding good footballers. We will get back there hopefully but be difficult to get as good a team. No doubt Trout will have a better team ;D
Sure if ya don't get much coming through just recruit a few from other clubs like you usually do.
Quote from: Trout on October 30, 2011, 09:53:55 PM
Sure if ya don't get much coming through just recruit a few from other clubs like you usually do.
Of course Trout, stick to the Shinner bashing as you know fcuk all else
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 30, 2011, 09:32:40 PM
Quote from: Gold on October 30, 2011, 09:21:39 PM
I'd have Enda Muldoon on at 14 and send ball in on top of him the next day from the start
I fear that, with Gilligan floating around him picking up the pieces. I think this will be a major advantage that they will have and could be the difference between the 2 teams. We will obviously go into the game as favourites but this may give Ballinderry an edge that could sway it for them.
I cant see it after watching them today. They struggled without him for the first 15 minutes out around the middle of the field. They only really started playing when he switched out. They could be doing with two of him.
Gilligan was outstanding today but Dromore where very niave with how they tried to deal with him. In the second half in particular there was an acre of space in front of him and I cant understand why McMenamin didnt stay with him the whole game.
Whoever decided that Martin Higgins should be appointed to games of this standard needs a good kick in the balls. He really is appalling. If the same Ulster Council officials do as they should then there are a couple of Dromore boys who wont play any more football this year and half a dozen Ballinderry men. The tunnel wasnt a place for the faint hearted at half time.
On a side note i noticed Slab Murphy at Casement today, Is he a Cross supporter?
At Casement today, went expecting a tight game, how wrong was I! Cross were superior throughout, should have been 10 up at halftime, the 2 goals at the start of the start of the 2nd half actually relected their dominance.
As for Jamie's goal, it was the coolest finish Ive ever seen, he really is a special talent!
Without Paul Kernan and Hanratty (if they are out) they might struggle to retain Ulster / get past Ballinderry
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 30, 2011, 06:53:57 PM
As for benny saying that other armagh teams are good. Shows he knows fcuk all about football. Or can't he count? We were beat by seven. Nab beat by 25!
What i said was that you were marginally better than the Nab on yesterday's performance, nothing else. It could have been embarassing but for your 2 soft goals and Cross showboating with you. But sure take all the comfort you can from 'only' being beaten by 7 ???
Quote from: bennydorano on October 31, 2011, 08:26:29 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 30, 2011, 06:53:57 PM
As for benny saying that other armagh teams are good. Shows he knows fcuk all about football. Or can't he count? We were beat by seven. Nab beat by 25!
What i said was that you were marginally better than the Nab on yesterday's performance, nothing else. It could have been embarassing but for your 2 soft goals and Cross showboating with you. But sure take all the comfort you can from 'only' being beaten by 7 ???
No comfort at all. We also let in some soft goals also, dropping a ball into the path of Cross player for first goal. Give away a penalty also. The best team won (they normally do)
Cross on that performance will continue to dominate Armagh and Ulster football. Fair play
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 30, 2011, 08:43:48 PM
Quote from: ogshead on October 30, 2011, 08:38:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 30, 2011, 06:53:57 PM
Hanratty got hurt trying to hurt someone else so fcuk him. Have no problem with that. Cross superior team have said it here previous and with no messing. Mentioned winning by 6 i was wrong.
As for benny saying that other armagh teams are good. Shows he knows fcuk all about football. Or can't he count? We were beat by seven. Nab beat by 25!
Football terms Cross on different planet. As said already no need for the messing about.
If the doctor was sent off why was he still on the pitch? Two times they have staff coming on and hitting people from behind!! :)
Well we were only beat by them by 4 so that must make us 3 points better then you lot!!
When it really mattered we beat ya's.
By your rationale it would seem that in 2010 Armagh had 3 teams apart from Cross that were better than St Galls - Armagh Harps only lost by 2 points, Cullyhanna only lost by a point (after a replay) and Dromintee only lost by 3 points.
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 31, 2011, 09:07:45 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 30, 2011, 08:43:48 PM
Quote from: ogshead on October 30, 2011, 08:38:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 30, 2011, 06:53:57 PM
Hanratty got hurt trying to hurt someone else so fcuk him. Have no problem with that. Cross superior team have said it here previous and with no messing. Mentioned winning by 6 i was wrong.
As for benny saying that other armagh teams are good. Shows he knows fcuk all about football. Or can't he count? We were beat by seven. Nab beat by 25!
Football terms Cross on different planet. As said already no need for the messing about.
If the doctor was sent off why was he still on the pitch? Two times they have staff coming on and hitting people from behind!! :)
Well we were only beat by them by 4 so that must make us 3 points better then you lot!!
When it really mattered we beat ya's.
By your rationale it would seem that in 2010 Armagh had 3 teams apart from Cross that were better than St Galls - Armagh Harps only lost by 2 points, Cullyhanna only lost by a point (after a replay) and Dromintee only lost by 3 points.
Not my rational, Benny's, as he said we were as bad as 'Nab' We only beat the team that came out of Armagh that beat Cross that year
In all fairness Milltown Row 2. Your letting yourself and your club down with some of the shite your talking on here since the game. Embarrassing really!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 30, 2011, 09:59:13 PM
On a side note i noticed Slab Murphy at Casement today, Is he a Cross supporter?
I think he played for Cross but I stand to be corrected. An explosive forward with a fantastic shooting range. I think they were referring to the football anyway... ;)
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 30, 2011, 05:45:50 PM
Cunningham should have walked and shouldn't have been on the pitch to be outstanding.
Cross a million miles the better team. 7 points isn't a true reflection of the difference in the team. Hard to see anyone beating them. Some cracking players who don't play county too.
Hanratty was as badly injured as I've ever seen anyone on a football pitch. Hope he's ok. Should have walked too.
Cross are such a good team - I fail to see why they need to get up to half the stuff they do. So many third men tackles and off the balls. No need for it.
McGourty is an eejit. I think he wanted to get sent off to get out of there.
I had a good view of the Cunningham incident it was right in front of me. At worst it was a yellow. He had actually pulled out of the tackle and contact was minimal but the Galls man went down like a premiership player. How McGourty stayed on the pitch as long as he did after his altercation with the Cross physio and the ammount of slabbering and handbagging I don't know. McQullian was overly fussy again and he and 2 linesmen and 2 umpires couldn't decide who was at fault for the bit of a schmozzle...So he booked the physio...good man joe. The Hannratty tackle which injured him was wreckless and had he not been stretchered of he could have seen red. St Galls were very disappointing though and should have been beaten by more. McEntee was very decisive on the line and moving McKenna back steadyed the ship. Stephen Kernan was very good, Clarke also and Cross's movement at times was sublime and they work like dogs.
Quote from: Joxer on October 31, 2011, 09:38:32 AM
In all fairness Milltown Row 2. Your letting yourself and your club down with some of the shite your talking on here since the game. Embarrassing really!
Cheers Joxer, if you ask any of our members they would have a lot more to say than i have on here.
As a neutral at the game yesterday I was in awe of some of the football Cross played in that first half yesterday. Pacey and clinical it looked like a serious ass whooping was about to occur. Also the way they came out in the 2nd half rattling off 2 goals looked ominous. They did fall away badly after that, maybe they knew they had the game won but I think Ballinderry are a better team than Gall's and faced sterner tests this year so Cross can't afford to do that again.
Gall's styly of play worked when they had pace but some of their main players are that bit older now and missing a few big players didn't help. Cross ate it up all the way through the first half albeit not legally. Someone mentioned about Cross playing over the edge... it had to be seen to be believed! Gall's teid to build their running game but 90% of the time the man running was taken out after the ball. A bit like New Zealand in the Rugby you play to the limit of what the ref will allow and Cross certainly did that.
Anyway I think Cross v Ballinderry will be a belter. Both play a kicking game, strong and have pace in the right areas. Both teams also have a good blend of youth and experience. It really could go either way but I'm going to nail my colours to the mast and call a Ballinderry victory after a replay!!
Revised betting:
Crossmaglen 8/15
Burren 7/2
Ballinderry 5/1
Glenswilly 9/1
Latton 25/1
Roslea 50/1
All Ireland:
Crossmaglen 7/4
Dr Crokes 6/1
St Brigids 7/1
Portlaoise 7/1
Corofin 8/1
Burren 10/1
St Oliver Plunketts 12/1
Ballinderry 16/1
Garrycastle 20/1
UCC 20/1
Glenswilly 28/1
Ballintubber 28/1
Athy 50/1
Kilmurray/Ibrickane 50/1
Longford Slashers 100/1
Moyle Rovers 125/1
Summerhill 150/1
The only person to mark the unmarkable Jamie Clarke all year was Conor Gormley and sure he is done ;). Ask Jamie Clarke is he done to see what his answer is, cause I do
Yeah so many good things about Cross in that game. Their intensity was fantastic, the ability to close down our players was great, shows that they do not lack hunger even after being champions so many times.
Again beaten by the better team, wish we could match that
Quote from: Don Johnson on October 31, 2011, 12:13:00 PM
Revised betting:
Crossmaglen 8/15
Burren 7/2
Ballinderry 5/1
Glenswilly 9/1
Latton 25/1
Roslea 50/1
All Ireland:
Crossmaglen 7/4
Dr Crokes 6/1
St Brigids 7/1
Portlaoise 7/1
Corofin 8/1
Burren 10/1
St Oliver Plunketts 12/1
Ballinderry 16/1
Garrycastle 20/1
UCC 20/1
Glenswilly 28/1
Ballintubber 28/1
Athy 50/1
Kilmurray/Ibrickane 50/1
Longford Slashers 100/1
Moyle Rovers 125/1
Summerhill 150/1
Who knocked out the Dublin St Brigids? & am i right in saying the semi finals will Connacht v Leinster, Ulster v Munster.
Quote from: ross4life on October 31, 2011, 04:17:40 PM
Quote from: Don Johnson on October 31, 2011, 12:13:00 PM
Revised betting:
Crossmaglen 8/15
Burren 7/2
Ballinderry 5/1
Glenswilly 9/1
Latton 25/1
Roslea 50/1
All Ireland:
Crossmaglen 7/4
Dr Crokes 6/1
St Brigids 7/1
Portlaoise 7/1
Corofin 8/1
Burren 10/1
St Oliver Plunketts 12/1
Ballinderry 16/1
Garrycastle 20/1
UCC 20/1
Glenswilly 28/1
Ballintubber 28/1
Athy 50/1
Kilmurray/Ibrickane 50/1
Longford Slashers 100/1
Moyle Rovers 125/1
Summerhill 150/1
Who knocked out the Dublin St Brigids? & am i right in saying the semi finals will Connacht v Leinster, Ulster v Munster.
They won on Saturday night after extra time against Ballymun.
You think that betting was for the Connacht team?
Yeah thought St Brigids of Dublin was still in it alright & MR2 i know the betting was for the "Connacht team"
Quote from: Wee Roddy on October 31, 2011, 04:13:22 PM
The only person to mark the unmarkable Jamie Clarke all year was Conor Gormley and sure he is done ;). Ask Jamie Clarke is he done to see what his answer is, cause I do
Like all good forwards Clarke needs supply. Even you could have marked him when Armagh played Tyrone. His movement is unreal and he is always two moves in front of his marker.
Heard Crossmaglen v Ballinderry match will be in Casement
Oh - happ days.
Any date for that? Presumably the 13th?
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 31, 2011, 05:38:23 PM
Oh - happ days.
Any date for that? Presumably the 13th?
Yes the 13th
I heard Eire Og v Derrytresk was on before the Ballinderry v Crossmaglen game.
culloville is playing in Healy park.
Was in London for the weekend so missed the match. Sounds like we were rightly tanked. Jamie Clarke appears to be getting better and better every time he plays a game.
Fair play to Cross, an unreal outfit.
Is Ballinderry going to be missing anyone?
I heard both Johny & Paul will be available for Cross - BCB/Shortso79 can you confirm?
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on November 01, 2011, 05:18:30 AM
Is Ballinderry going to be missing anyone?
I heard both Johny & Paul will be available for Cross - BCB/Shortso79 can you confirm?
Think Ballinderry will basically be full strength although James Conway has been out long term since he got injured with Derry.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 30, 2011, 09:32:40 PM
Quote from: Gold on October 30, 2011, 09:21:39 PM
I'd have Enda Muldoon on at 14 and send ball in on top of him the next day from the start
I fear that, with Gilligan floating around him picking up the pieces. I think this will be a major advantage that they will have and could be the difference between the 2 teams. We will obviously go into the game as favourites but this may give Ballinderry an edge that could sway it for them.
Some double speak there :) That hasn't worked for Derry or Ballinderry in years. if Ballinderry put Muldoon on the edge of the square and pump ball in, Cross will lap it up all day. One extra defender is all it takes. No, it's gonna take a bit more smartness that that to overcome a Cross side who are near untouchable at this stage. Ballinderry should look at the Ulster semi final from the summer to see a few moves John Brennan pulled on the key men. If Jamie 'Messi' Clarke gets the room he did against Gall's, it'll be lights out very quickly.
Quote from: sheamy on November 01, 2011, 03:14:30 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 30, 2011, 09:32:40 PM
Quote from: Gold on October 30, 2011, 09:21:39 PM
I'd have Enda Muldoon on at 14 and send ball in on top of him the next day from the start
I fear that, with Gilligan floating around him picking up the pieces. I think this will be a major advantage that they will have and could be the difference between the 2 teams. We will obviously go into the game as favourites but this may give Ballinderry an edge that could sway it for them.
Some double speak there :) That hasn't worked for Derry or Ballinderry in years. if Ballinderry put Muldoon on the edge of the square and pump ball in, Cross will lap it up all day. One extra defender is all it takes. No, it's gonna take a bit more smartness that that to overcome a Cross side who are near untouchable at this stage. Ballinderry should look at the Ulster semi final from the summer to see a few moves John Brennan pulled on the key men. If Jamie 'Messi' Clarke gets the room he did against Gall's, it'll be lights out very quickly.
But wasnt it Kevin McGuckin who done a very good job on him in the Armagh game. Should be a good game, both teams are strong in all lines of the pitch. Whats the story with Colly Devlin, is he back from injury yet?
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on November 01, 2011, 05:18:30 AM
Is Ballinderry going to be missing anyone?
I heard both Johny & Paul will be available for Cross - BCB/Shortso79 can you confirm?
Very much doubt it. PK definitely out.
BC1 if Jamie Clarke was playing against Cross would he be allowed stroll about without a hand laid on him as he did the other day?
Cant see B'Derry being so naive.
Quote from: Gold on November 01, 2011, 06:59:20 PM
BC1 if Jamie Clarke was playing against Cross would he be allowed stroll about without a hand laid on him as he did the other day?
Cant see B'Derry being so naive.
You have to catch him to lay a hand on him!! I'm sure they will have a plan, and no doubt they will have a plan on how to exploit our "weak" full back line. Leave them at it is what I say and we'll look after ourselves!
He is unreal. The sound the crowd made when he scored that goal is a sign of his class. Instead of a cheer it was 'ooohhh' then a muffled sound when everyone said to each other "did he just do what i think he did?". Class!
He is so unselfish--for Cunningham's goal he just kept going--slithering away from man after man, he could have took a point, but's it not about him.
He turned Brady too easily though, too often
If Francie was marking him i'd say he may have 'accidently' collided with him
Quote from: Gold on November 01, 2011, 07:08:51 PM
He is unreal. The sound the crowd made when he scored that goal is a sign of his class. Instead of a cheer it was 'ooohhh' then a muffled sound when everyone said to each other "did he just do what i think he did?". Class!
He is so unselfish--for Cunningham's goal he just kept going--slithering away from man after man, he could have took a point, but's it not about him.
He turned Brady too easily though, too often
If Francie was marking him i'd say he may have 'accidently' collided with him
Francie will never mark him, do you think he is the only back in the country that went flat out for every ball???
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 01, 2011, 07:02:42 PM
Quote from: Gold on November 01, 2011, 06:59:20 PM
BC1 if Jamie Clarke was playing against Cross would he be allowed stroll about without a hand laid on him as he did the other day?
Cant see B'Derry being so naive.
You have to catch him to lay a hand on him!! I'm sure they will have a plan, and no doubt they will have a plan on how to exploit our "weak" full back line. Leave them at it is what I say and we'll look after ourselves!
nerve touched there BC1 (I might have missed post but)...who in their right mind said cross had a weak full back line? They haven't a weak line on the pitch.
Clarke is no doubt a brilliant player but Derry managed to employ a strategy to combat him so it can be done.
Players in front of him, cut off the supply from midfield and things like that.
He looks like a maverick type player. Obviously doesn't do the weights programme the others are on.
Very aware of his team mates and his timing on the ball or before ball comes to him is great for such a young man.
Would he be a good trainer?
QuoteFrancie will never mark him,
It is probably Francie marking him in training in the last few years give him the strategies to outwit backs.
QuoteClarke is no doubt a brilliant player but Derry managed to employ a strategy to combat him so it can be done.
Yes. But the Armagh management basically ignored what was happening and carried on, Tony Mc and Gareth will adjust things. Ballymacnab had planned on keeping Jamie out of the game by sending men to him, but the other Cross' forwards made hay as a result.
QuoteVery aware of his team mates and his timing on the ball or before ball comes to him is great for such a young man
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Star forwards can be bit selfish, but Jamie executes great layoffs as well as good scores. It probably benefited him to be in a team where the role models are the likes of Oisin who always played for the team.
Jamie Clarke gave Brady the run around last Sunday. Why was Brady left on him the whole game? Brady does not have the legs.
St Galls will walk the Antrim championship but they wont beat many teams in Ulster with boys like Darren Harbinson, Paul Veronica, Mark Kelly and Darren O'Hare playing. These boys are not up to it at this level. Can carry them through Antrim but not Ulster.
As for CJ(He looks heavy and unfit). He should have went for the first incident on Kerrnan.
I thought Veronica did ok on Sunday compared to the rest.
Quote from: CentreHalfBack on November 03, 2011, 02:35:32 PM
Jamie Clarke gave Brady the run around last Sunday. Why was Brady left on him the whole game? Brady does not have the legs.
St Galls will walk the Antrim championship but they wont beat many teams in Ulster with boys like Darren Harbinson, Paul Veronica, Mark Kelly and Darren O'Hare playing. These boys are not up to it at this level. Can carry them through Antrim but not Ulster.
As for CJ(He looks heavy and unfit). He should have went for the first incident on Kerrnan.
says a lot about the standard of the other teams in Antrim then Chb! With that post the other teams are truly cap!
meh
most top level antrim and armagh clubs are off similar standard bar rangers - not great
Quote from: Mont on November 03, 2011, 05:17:06 PM
meh
most top level antrim and armagh clubs are off similar standard bar rangers - not great
You should probably extend that to the rest of Ulster. I can't see any teams coming close to Cross in Ulster this year
Quote from: el_cuervo_fc on November 03, 2011, 05:55:52 PM
Quote from: Mont on November 03, 2011, 05:17:06 PM
meh
most top level antrim and armagh clubs are off similar standard bar rangers - not great
You should probably extend that to the rest of Ulster. I can't see any teams coming close to Cross in Ulster this year
No doubt lads cross are the bench mark but to say no team will come close to them is a niave for 1 we respect them but dont fear them mark my words we will test them our boys are itching to get at them at the end of the day u wana play against the best an thats wat cross are, looking forward to the challenge ;)
Quote from: CentreHalfBack on November 03, 2011, 02:35:32 PM
Jamie Clarke gave Brady the run around last Sunday. Why was Brady left on him the whole game? Brady does not have the legs.
St Galls will walk the Antrim championship but they wont beat many teams in Ulster with boys like Darren Harbinson, Paul Veronica, Mark Kelly and Darren O'Hare playing. These boys are not up to it at this level. Can carry them through Antrim but not Ulster.
As for CJ(He looks heavy and unfit). He should have went for the first incident on Kerrnan.
Veronica played quite well - he made some fine catches and I don't recall who he was marking doing particularly much so you're a bit harsh on him. O'Hare hasn't the legs for midfield - don't understand why he was in there - but he wouldn't be too bad in full forward. The other two would be a bit inexperienced for cross.
If Galls had their best 15 Healy would be at the back in place of one of those two boys and O'Hare wouldn't be on. McGourty has struggled all year with injuries so couldn't be expected to be fit. St Galls were about 3 players down(all county players) - with those 3 they wouldn't have been close either but they were particularly decimated for sunday and against cross no-one can afford to be. It was close to a 20 point game.
St Galls will win antrim handy enough for about another 4 years then I think their period of dominance will be over. Lamh Dhearg will probably be next though it depends on Creggan. Antrim football is rubbish - the county team is actually better than it was despite club football standards having dropped significantly. The standard of club football in armagh would be a lot higher. It gets a bad rep due to cross. Pearse og were about an inch away from stopping galls AI let's not forget.
I think we drew with Lamhs one year before winning Ulster. Does that mean Lamhs were second best team in Ulster ?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 03, 2011, 10:18:02 PM
I think we drew with Lamhs one year before winning Ulster. Does that mean Lamhs were second best team in Ulster ?
If that's referring to my point my point is simply that a team in armagh who's not cross gave the all ireland winners a game. No team in antrim, bar st galls, could get even close to doing that. Pearse Og etc all get bad press due to Cross's dominance when in fact they're not actually bad teams. It is not a dig at st galls but just making the point that other armagh teams could be competitive they just don't get the chance.
Quote from: el_cuervo_fc on November 03, 2011, 05:55:52 PM
Quote from: Mont on November 03, 2011, 05:17:06 PM
meh
most top level antrim and armagh clubs are off similar standard bar rangers - not great
You should probably extend that to the rest of Ulster. I can't see any teams coming close to Cross in Ulster this year
I don't think you should be extending anything to the rest of ulster there are a couple of team's left in ulster a lot better than st galls !
Well having beaten the best of the Down teams over the years they'll not be found in Down ;)
Though i have said Burren will give Cross their hardest game. Hunger and playing at your best is needed when playing them. We unfortunately didn't come up to that. Doesn't make us a bad team
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 03, 2011, 11:39:09 PM
Well having beaten the best of the Down teams over the years they'll not be found in Down ;)
Though i have said Burren will give Cross their hardest game. Hunger and playing at your best is needed when playing them. We unfortunately didn't come up to that. Doesn't make us a bad team
I didn't say you's are a bad team i said their were better teams still left in the ulster c/ship ballinderry will be a very very tough team to beat
Burren will be a team to watch out for in the near future. Ballinderry are a very good side, but I think St Galls were still the second best team in the competition, on their day they play some really good stuff altough they haven't been at it this year I think they have another couple of years left in them and I can see them wining another Ulster in the future.
Quote from: Magicsponge on November 04, 2011, 12:47:52 PM
Burren will be a team to watch out for in the near future. Ballinderry are a very good side, but I think St Galls were still the second best team in the competition, on their day they play some really good stuff altough they haven't been at it this year I think they have another couple of years left in them and I can see them wining another Ulster in the future.
Maybe they can regroup and recharge, but I don't see it myself. It's been a long road for the majority of their players and it is showing. They are well able to walk through Antrim with their eyes closed again but even allowing for their injuries this year, I don't see the rejuvenation in the club to match what is ongoing in Cross, Ballinderry, or Burren for that matter.
Did St Galls give Cross a guard of honour last week?
Quote from: BennyCake on November 06, 2011, 09:52:27 PM
Did St Galls give Cross a guard of honour last week?
Yeah and I think I read somewhere a few Cross players shoved into Sean Kelly, who was the last fella in his row.
You wouldn't think Cross would take beating Galls seriously, but Monday night they had a huge celebration at their pitch with fireworks, MC and everything!
Quote from: armaghniac on November 06, 2011, 10:07:21 PM
You wouldn't think Cross would take beating Galls seriously, but Monday night they had a huge celebration at their pitch with fireworks, MC and everything!
I'd be more worried about the poor teams in Armagh bar Cross armaghniac.
Quote from: armaghniac on November 06, 2011, 10:07:21 PM
You wouldn't think Cross would take beating Galls seriously, but Monday night they had a huge celebration at their pitch with fireworks, MC and everything!
:D
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 06, 2011, 10:35:42 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 06, 2011, 10:07:21 PM
You wouldn't think Cross would take beating Galls seriously, but Monday night they had a huge celebration at their pitch with fireworks, MC and everything!
:D
You finished counting your medals yet?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 06, 2011, 10:37:13 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 06, 2011, 10:35:42 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 06, 2011, 10:07:21 PM
You wouldn't think Cross would take beating Galls seriously, but Monday night they had a huge celebration at their pitch with fireworks, MC and everything!
:D
You finished counting your medals yet?
I quit after 10, I don't know where the rest are!
Thats great I'm glad for you, means fcuk all to me but I'm glad you told me and the rest
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 06, 2011, 10:40:29 PM
Thats great I'm glad for you, means fcuk all to me but I'm glad you told me and the rest
You've become an awful grump,you did ask the question!
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 06, 2011, 10:49:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 06, 2011, 10:40:29 PM
Thats great I'm glad for you, means fcuk all to me but I'm glad you told me and the rest
You've become an awful grump,you did ask the question!
you brought up medals first!! Don't brag man
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 06, 2011, 10:50:45 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 06, 2011, 10:49:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 06, 2011, 10:40:29 PM
Thats great I'm glad for you, means fcuk all to me but I'm glad you told me and the rest
You've become an awful grump,you did ask the question!
you brought up medals first!! Don't brag man
You tried to start me earlier, I simply pointed out I had played my game before St Galls counted. Chill out man!
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 06, 2011, 10:39:23 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 06, 2011, 10:37:13 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 06, 2011, 10:35:42 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 06, 2011, 10:07:21 PM
You wouldn't think Cross would take beating Galls seriously, but Monday night they had a huge celebration at their pitch with fireworks, MC and everything!
:D
You finished counting your medals yet?
I quit after 10, I don't know where the rest are!
back pocket. where any self respecting gaa star keeps them ;D (not that i would know lolz)
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on November 06, 2011, 11:03:04 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 06, 2011, 10:39:23 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 06, 2011, 10:37:13 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 06, 2011, 10:35:42 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 06, 2011, 10:07:21 PM
You wouldn't think Cross would take beating Galls seriously, but Monday night they had a huge celebration at their pitch with fireworks, MC and everything!
:D
You finished counting your medals yet?
I quit after 10, I don't know where the rest are!
back pocket. where any self respecting gaa star keeps them ;D (not that i would know lolz)
I would if I could but I can't. ;)
Sure a Cross' man couldn't keep his medals in his back pocket otherwise he couldn't sit down. Tony Mac has his medals in a bag and when people are not doing the business at training he makes them try to lift the bag as punishment.
Quote from: armaghniac on November 06, 2011, 11:25:22 PM
Sure a Cross' man couldn't keep his medals in his back pocket otherwise he couldn't sit down. Tony Mac has his medals in a bag and when people are not doing the business at training he makes them try to lift the bag as punishment.
Nah, not true. He hits them round the head with them!
16th October
Preliminary Round:
Cavan Gaels(Cavan) 0-10 Gleann tSuilí(Donegal) 1-08
3-30pm Breffni Park
Ciaran Brannigan
Cavan Gaels 0-10 (D Sexton 0-1, D Reilly 0-1, M Lyng 0-2, N Murray 0-1, K Meehan 0-1, S Johnston 0-2 (2 frees), C McClarey 0-2)
Gleann tSuilí 1-08 (R McFadden 0-1, C Bonner 0-1, D McGinley 0-1, G McFadden 0-3 (2 frees), M Murphy 1-2 (1-0 penalty, 2 frees))
30th October
Quarter Finals:
Dromore St Dympnas(Tyrone) 0-12 Ballinderry Shamrocks(Derry) 1-11
2-30pm Healy Park
Martin Higgins
Dromore St Dympnas 0-12 (P Montague 0-4 (2 frees), N Sludden 0-1, E McCusker 0-7 (4 frees))
Ballinderry Shamrocks 1-11 (M McIver 1-0, R Scott 0-1, A Devlin 0-2, C Gilligan 0-6 (4 frees), R Wilkinson 0-1, E Muldoon 0-1)
St Galls(Antrim) 2-05 Crossmaglen Rangers(Armagh) 3-09
2-30pm Casement Park
Joe McQuillan
St Galls 2-05 (CJ McGourty 0-3 (2 frees), K Niblock 0-1 (a free), M Pollock 1-0, K Stewart 1-1)
Crossmaglen Rangers 3-09 (A Kernan 0-2 (2 frees), J Hanratty 0-1, D McKenna 0-1, S Finnegan 0-1, T Kernan 0-2 (1 fifty), S Kernan 0-1, A Cunningham 1-1, J Clarke 1-0, O McConville 1-0 (a penalty))
13th November
Quarter Finals:
Roslea Shamrocks(Fermanagh) v Burren St Marys(Down)
2-30pm Brewster Park
Pádraig Hughes
Gleann tSuilí(Donegal) v Latton O'Rahillys(Monaghan)
2-30pm Ballybofey
Barry Cassidy
Semi Final:
Ballinderry Shamrocks(Derry) v Crossmaglen Rangers(Armagh)
2-30pm Casement Park
Martin Sludden
20th November
Semi Final:
Fermanagh/Down v Donegal/Monaghan
27th November
Final
(Extra Time - if required - in all games up to and including the Semi Finals)
Semi Final:
Ballinderry Shamrocks(Derry) v Crossmaglen Rangers(Armagh)
2-30pm Casement Park
Martin Sludden
Will they need extra stewards for this match?
I hear James Sherry the Roslea captain and midfielder has fractured his jaw in the County League Final v Devenish. Major blow which will be hard to see Roslea overcome even though they were massive outsiders anyway, they rely an awful lot on Sherry winning possession in the middle of the park.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 07, 2011, 04:23:25 PM
Semi Final:
Ballinderry Shamrocks(Derry) v Crossmaglen Rangers(Armagh)
2-30pm Casement Park
Martin Sludden
Will they need extra stewards for this match?
Lord above, has anyone thought this one through??
Madness will ensue on Sunday regardless of who wins.
2teams very hard on the listeners at the best of times........wee Marty will wish he was back in Croker
And let's hope there is no skullduggery from paidi when taking charge of one of their biggest rivals game ;)
Really looking forward to Sundays game I have to say I have a sneaky feeling Ballinderry can do it. They seem to have the right blend of youth and experience and I fancy them to give Cross their toughest game.
I fail to see all the talk of Burren they have no recent pedigree to suggest they are capable of beating Cross and Down teams haven't a great record in the Ulster Club. Whoever wins this match will win Ulster I think! Bderry by 2
Sludden better avoid the tunnel at half time, McKinless has a habit of targeting Dromore men in the tunnel ;D
Screenexile, on what evidence do you base that prediction? I, to, was at the the Cross/St Galls games and like a previous post of yours on that game, I was in awe of the football Crossmaglen played until they had the game sown up and saw it out. How you could imagine that ballinderry have the slightest chance, I do not know. Having watched them in most of their championship games this year i think that they could get one hell of a stuffing as St galls are a far better team than ballinderry.
Their corner back Morgan will put gilligan in his pocket just like what he did with Niblock although toitally illegally and how the umpires let him off with it was an absolute disgrace. They have no one to mark Clarke and their better players are to old to match the all ireland champions.
In my opinion, Cross will win by at least 6 points proving if proof is needed that derry football is in worst state in a long number of years.
Having said and not being a lover of ballinderry, that I hope the referee and officials will keep a close eye on Crossmaglen as on that day, I rarely saw more cynical off the ball play.
Quote from: tonesfirstandlast on November 07, 2011, 11:55:28 PM
Screenexile, on what evidence do you base that prediction? I, to, was at the the Cross/St Galls games and like a previous post of yours on that game, I was in awe of the football Crossmaglen played until they had the game sown up and saw it out. How you could imagine that ballinderry have the slightest chance, I do not know. Having watched them in most of their championship games this year i think that they could get one hell of a stuffing as St galls are a far better team than ballinderry.
Their corner back Morgan will put gilligan in his pocket just like what he did with Niblock although toitally illegally and how the umpires let him off with it was an absolute disgrace. They have no one to mark Clarke and their better players are to old to match the all ireland champions.
In my opinion, Cross will win by at least 6 points proving if proof is needed that derry football is in worst state in a long number of years.
Having said and not being a lover of ballinderry, that I hope the referee and officials will keep a close eye on Crossmaglen as on that day, I rarely saw more cynical off the ball play.
lol they've done enough to beat every team put infront of them, including your own club. You also said they'd suffer a big defeat in the last game.
Quote from: tonesfirstandlast on November 07, 2011, 11:55:28 PM
Screenexile, on what evidence do you base that prediction? I, to, was at the the Cross/St Galls games and like a previous post of yours on that game, I was in awe of the football Crossmaglen played until they had the game sown up and saw it out. How you could imagine that ballinderry have the slightest chance, I do not know. Having watched them in most of their championship games this year i think that they could get one hell of a stuffing as St galls are a far better team than ballinderry.
Their corner back Morgan will put gilligan in his pocket just like what he did with Niblock although toitally illegally and how the umpires let him off with it was an absolute disgrace. They have no one to mark Clarke and their better players are to old to match the all ireland champions.
In my opinion, Cross will win by at least 6 points proving if proof is needed that derry football is in worst state in a long number of years.
Having said and not being a lover of ballinderry, that I hope the referee and officials will keep a close eye on Crossmaglen as on that day, I rarely saw more cynical off the ball play.
What angelic club are you from.? ;)
Quote from: tonesfirstandlast on November 07, 2011, 11:55:28 PM
Having said and not being a lover of ballinderry, that I hope the referee and officials will keep a close eye on Crossmaglen as on that day, I rarely saw more cynical off the ball play.
Not even going to nibble, that bait is nowhere near tasty enough!!!!
Quote from: crossfire on November 08, 2011, 02:09:24 AM
Quote from: tonesfirstandlast on November 07, 2011, 11:55:28 PM
Screenexile, on what evidence do you base that prediction? I, to, was at the the Cross/St Galls games and like a previous post of yours on that game, I was in awe of the football Crossmaglen played until they had the game sown up and saw it out. How you could imagine that ballinderry have the slightest chance, I do not know. Having watched them in most of their championship games this year i think that they could get one hell of a stuffing as St galls are a far better team than ballinderry.
Their corner back Morgan will put gilligan in his pocket just like what he did with Niblock although toitally illegally and how the umpires let him off with it was an absolute disgrace. They have no one to mark Clarke and their better players are to old to match the all ireland champions.
In my opinion, Cross will win by at least 6 points proving if proof is needed that derry football is in worst state in a long number of years.
Having said and not being a lover of ballinderry, that I hope the referee and officials will keep a close eye on Crossmaglen as on that day, I rarely saw more cynical off the ball play.
What angelic club are you from.? ;)
Jealously GFC or in other words Bellaghy :D :D
Quote from: HIGH BALL CENTRE FIELD on November 08, 2011, 08:13:58 AM
Quote from: crossfire on November 08, 2011, 02:09:24 AM
Quote from: tonesfirstandlast on November 07, 2011, 11:55:28 PM
Screenexile, on what evidence do you base that prediction? I, to, was at the the Cross/St Galls games and like a previous post of yours on that game, I was in awe of the football Crossmaglen played until they had the game sown up and saw it out. How you could imagine that ballinderry have the slightest chance, I do not know. Having watched them in most of their championship games this year i think that they could get one hell of a stuffing as St galls are a far better team than ballinderry.
Their corner back Morgan will put gilligan in his pocket just like what he did with Niblock although toitally illegally and how the umpires let him off with it was an absolute disgrace. They have no one to mark Clarke and their better players are to old to match the all ireland champions.
In my opinion, Cross will win by at least 6 points proving if proof is needed that derry football is in worst state in a long number of years.
Having said and not being a lover of ballinderry, that I hope the referee and officials will keep a close eye on Crossmaglen as on that day, I rarely saw more cynical off the ball play.
What angelic club are you from.? ;)
Jealously GFC or in other words Bellaghy :D :D
Oh god don't start him "blah blah blah History blah blah we've won blah blah" . . . you'll not get too much sense out of him about the future though!!
Dromore man Sludden in charge? Jesus!
at least we know with sludden cross wont get away with their cynicism and sneaky digs when ref not looking
Quote from: skeog on November 08, 2011, 08:53:51 PM
at least we know with sludden cross wont get away with their cynicism and sneaky digs when ref not looking
but if he isn't looking then they will... lol
(i'm not saying Cross be at that craic)
Quote from: screenexile on November 07, 2011, 10:35:56 PM
Really looking forward to Sundays game I have to say I have a sneaky feeling Ballinderry can do it. They seem to have the right blend of youth and experience and I fancy them to give Cross their toughest game.
I fail to see all the talk of Burren they have no recent pedigree to suggest they are capable of beating Cross and Down teams haven't a great record in the Ulster Club. Whoever wins this match will win Ulster I think! Bderry by 2
1 Crossmaglen Rangers 8 1996, 1998, 1999, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2010. N/A
2 Burren 5 1983, 1984, 1985, 1987, 1988 1992
3 Bellaghy 4 1968, 1971, 1994, 2000 1998
At a quick glance you can see you're talking shite :D
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 08, 2011, 09:19:15 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 07, 2011, 10:35:56 PM
Really looking forward to Sundays game I have to say I have a sneaky feeling Ballinderry can do it. They seem to have the right blend of youth and experience and I fancy them to give Cross their toughest game.
I fail to see all the talk of Burren they have no recent pedigree to suggest they are capable of beating Cross and Down teams haven't a great record in the Ulster Club. Whoever wins this match will win Ulster I think! Bderry by 2
1 Crossmaglen Rangers 8 1996, 1998, 1999, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2010. N/A
2 Burren 5 1983, 1984, 1985, 1987, 1988 1992
3 Bellaghy 4 1968, 1971, 1994, 2000 1998
At a quick glance you can see you're talking shite :D
What they last won an ulster just under 20 years ago?
He said Down teams had a poor record in Ulster, Burren themselves have won it 5 times 3 less than Cross. No a bad record whenever it was. Will we write off Bellaghy's first two?
Have Bellaghy won it 4 or 5 times?
4
It's hard to know how good Burren are after last year. They were so far behind early on that you do wonder did Cross switch off to allow them back in it then the momentum went against cross (who barely held on) or were burren just slow starters and good enough to challenge them.
They're no doubt a good team but whether they are good enough to challenge for ulster yet remains to be seen in my view. This year will tell.
Ballinderry and Cross should be an interesting encounter. I can't see cross winning as handy as the last day but I can't see them losing this either.
I do hope Sludden lets them away with a lot less than they got away with the last day and that is not a wind up dig. They should concentrate on the football.
That record is wrong as you have 6 dates in anyway, Burren were beat in the 92 final by Lavey.
The last Down club to win it was Burren in 1988, its 22 years since a Down Club won, and Burren along with Bryansford have won it 7 times between them since the competition records began in 1968.
7 wins in 42, he said down teams hadnt a great record and once every 6 years is hardly something to be shouting from the rooftops about!
Burren have 6 ulsters, all won in the 80's.
The current team have potential but have a long way to go to be talked about in the same breathe as that team in the 80's.
I expect them to reach the Ulster final because of the side of the draw they are in and to put it up to Cross but to fall short.
Quote from: Blue and White on November 08, 2011, 09:41:18 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 08, 2011, 09:19:15 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 07, 2011, 10:35:56 PM
Really looking forward to Sundays game I have to say I have a sneaky feeling Ballinderry can do it. They seem to have the right blend of youth and experience and I fancy them to give Cross their toughest game.
I fail to see all the talk of Burren they have no recent pedigree to suggest they are capable of beating Cross and Down teams haven't a great record in the Ulster Club. Whoever wins this match will win Ulster I think! Bderry by 2
1 Crossmaglen Rangers 8 1996, 1998, 1999, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2010. N/A
2 Burren 5 1983, 1984, 1985, 1987, 1988 1992
3 Bellaghy 4 1968, 1971, 1994, 2000 1998
At a quick glance you can see you're talking shite :D
That would be the one that got away from Bellaghy, led cross for most of the game if memory serves me correctly only for them to sneak it with a winning point by 'super-sub' Michael moley. Broke my heart but was a really good game of football!!
Google doe's not have all the answers!!! That was the losing final in 92
Quote from: tonesfirstandlast on November 07, 2011, 11:55:28 PM
Screenexile, on what evidence do you base that prediction? I, to, was at the the Cross/St Galls games and like a previous post of yours on that game, I was in awe of the football Crossmaglen played until they had the game sown up and saw it out. How you could imagine that ballinderry have the slightest chance, I do not know. Having watched them in most of their championship games this year i think that they could get one hell of a stuffing as St galls are a far better team than ballinderry.
Their corner back Morgan will put gilligan in his pocket just like what he did with Niblock although toitally illegally and how the umpires let him off with it was an absolute disgrace. They have no one to mark Clarke and their better players are to old to match the all ireland champions.
Tfal f**k away back to the derry thread and stop running down ballinderry u jealous **** we will see if cross will beat us by 6 pts i seen the st galls and cross game and st galls were rubbish id love to no were u base ur evidence on st galls being a better team than us?Cross are the benchmark but mark my words we dont fear them and we will test them we are itching to get at them now f**k u away of and concentrate on building a team to win a championship within the next 20 years u jealous w**ker write the shamrocks of at ur peril.
In my opinion, Cross will win by at least 6 points proving if proof is needed that derry football is in worst state in a long number of years.
Having said and not being a lover of ballinderry, that I hope the referee and officials will keep a close eye on Crossmaglen as on that day, I rarely saw more cynical off the ball play.
Shamrock forever - I would suggest you delete the last post and let TFAL be the fool that he is. Don't fall into his pathetic trap and give him the satisfaction that he is winding us up. As we have done all year and just let the players do the talking on the field. It seems to shut up this p***k and bolster his title as the biggest fool on the board.
UTS!!!!
The closer this game is the less confident I am. With the two lads definitely out there are 2 big holes to fill. Ballinderry really have something to prove and will feel they have a real chance. Good and all as we are we are still very young. Ballinderry definitely have the edge on experience. Here's hoping that big Edna drops another sofa on his foot!
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 08, 2011, 10:19:55 PM
The closer this game is the less confident I am. With the two lads definitely out there are 2 big holes to fill. Ballinderry really have something to prove and will feel they have a real chance. Good and all as we are we are still very young. Ballinderry definitely have the edge on experience. Here's hoping that big Edna drops another sofa on his foot!
Broken crossbar i heard from a man down ur part of the country hanratty is fit to play and apparently so is paul kenan this fella seemed pretty certain? If they dont im sure yous have plenty in reserve when uve the caliber of oisin aaron kernan clarke mckenna etc yous are the team to beat and as i said yous are the benchmark looking forward to the game and testing ourselves agin the best there is which yous are yous have as much experience if not more than us and rightly so are hot favourites going into this game ;).
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 08, 2011, 10:19:55 PM
The closer this game is the less confident I am. With the two lads definitely out there are 2 big holes to fill. Ballinderry really have something to prove and will feel they have a real chance. Good and all as we are we are still very young. Ballinderry definitely have the edge on experience. Here's hoping that big Edna drops another sofa on his foot!
Some craic...a team that has won an all-ireland lacks experience :D
The only question is how defensive cross are gonna be. Expect a few extra men dropped back into the hole as everyone on god's earth knows that's a proven way to beat Derry teams. Everyone, except Paddy O'Rourke that is. Sludden (still can't believe that!) needs to punish the cynical fouls too as Ballinderry attempt to come out of defence.
Big Enda has given up the sofas...He's coaching waines in primary schools now. He just needs to watch out a cross bar doesn't fall on him or something. Anyway, he'll be no good to the young bucks of cross. He's nearly your age ffs :D
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on November 05, 2011, 11:26:15 PM
Quote from: Magicsponge on November 04, 2011, 12:47:52 PM
Burren will be a team to watch out for in the near future. Ballinderry are a very good side, but I think St Galls were still the second best team in the competition, on their day they play some really good stuff altough they haven't been at it this year I think they have another couple of years left in them and I can see them wining another Ulster in the future.
Maybe they can regroup and recharge, but I don't see it myself. It's been a long road for the majority of their players and it is showing. They are well able to walk through Antrim with their eyes closed again but even allowing for their injuries this year, I don't see the rejuvenation in the club to match what is ongoing in Cross, Ballinderry, or Burren for that matter.
I might have got the rejuvenation bit wrong. There is an easier way to rejuvenate a club than developing youngsters, apparently. I hear a rumour that Pollock might have another (neighbouring) county forward to keep him company next year (for the times when CJ is suspended / too busy doing hard sums / off at the health spa). A couple of more imports like him and they could be contenders again ;D
I'm sorry I may have been misunderstood. I was referring to Down clubs recent record or the last 10-15 years if you like. There is no doubting Burren's pedigree throughout the history of the competition. As Down football has offered little in the way of an Ulster Club title in the last 15 years I was basing my analysis on that.
Burren do seem to have a good team though and winning the last 2 Down Championships in a row with a decent young team will stand to them over the next 5 years when I would expect them to lift at least 1 Ulster Club (Which Mayobridge should have at least acheived within the last decade).
I don't think they are as far along in their development as Ballinderry or Crossmaglen however which would lead me to believe that the winners of Sundays game should go on to lift the title.
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on November 09, 2011, 09:58:01 AM
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on November 05, 2011, 11:26:15 PM
Quote from: Magicsponge on November 04, 2011, 12:47:52 PM
Burren will be a team to watch out for in the near future. Ballinderry are a very good side, but I think St Galls were still the second best team in the competition, on their day they play some really good stuff altough they haven't been at it this year I think they have another couple of years left in them and I can see them wining another Ulster in the future.
Maybe they can regroup and recharge, but I don't see it myself. It's been a long road for the majority of their players and it is showing. They are well able to walk through Antrim with their eyes closed again but even allowing for their injuries this year, I don't see the rejuvenation in the club to match what is ongoing in Cross, Ballinderry, or Burren for that matter.
I might have got the rejuvenation bit wrong. There is an easier way to rejuvenate a club than developing youngsters, apparently. I hear a rumour that Pollock might have another (neighbouring) county forward to keep him company next year (for the times when CJ is suspended / too busy doing hard sums / off at the health spa). A couple of more imports like him and they could be contenders again ;D
Heard that rumour yesterday myself. He would certainly put DOWN a marker for the rest of the forwards.
Do not think that Burren will have any bother with Roslea.
Sherry being out is a huge blow for them.
There only hope is for Seamie to be in the mood.
Have any of the bookies got the weekends football marked up yet, handicaps, etc?
11/2 Roslea 10/1 Burren 1/7
6/5 Roslea +5 Handicap Draw 17/2 Burren -5 5/6
2/7 Cross 8/1 Ballinderry 10/3
10/11 Cross -3 Handicap Draw 8/1 Ballinderry +3 11/10
2/5 Glenswilly 13/2 Latton 11/4
1/1 Glenswilly -2 Handicap Draw 7/1 Latton +2 11/10
That's from Paddy Power, they also have whatever handicap you want for each match if you click into them.
Burren -5 Cross -3 and unsure on the other game. best going for a low scoring bet, under so many points (25)
See a video preview of Ballinderry v Crossmaglen showing previous games & analysis - http://tinyurl.com/dxzbozc (http://tinyurl.com/dxzbozc)
Quote from: Any craic on November 10, 2011, 11:13:14 PM
See a video preview of Ballinderry v Crossmaglen showing previous games & analysis - http://tinyurl.com/dxzbozc (http://tinyurl.com/dxzbozc)
Jerome Quinn deserves a massive amount of credit. This coverage of our club games is fantastic.
Quote from: FermGael on November 09, 2011, 01:41:46 PM
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on November 09, 2011, 09:58:01 AM
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on November 05, 2011, 11:26:15 PM
Quote from: Magicsponge on November 04, 2011, 12:47:52 PM
Burren will be a team to watch out for in the near future. Ballinderry are a very good side, but I think St Galls were still the second best team in the competition, on their day they play some really good stuff altough they haven't been at it this year I think they have another couple of years left in them and I can see them wining another Ulster in the future.
Maybe they can regroup and recharge, but I don't see it myself. It's been a long road for the majority of their players and it is showing. They are well able to walk through Antrim with their eyes closed again but even allowing for their injuries this year, I don't see the rejuvenation in the club to match what is ongoing in Cross, Ballinderry, or Burren for that matter.
I might have got the rejuvenation bit wrong. There is an easier way to rejuvenate a club than developing youngsters, apparently. I hear a rumour that Pollock might have another (neighbouring) county forward to keep him company next year (for the times when CJ is suspended / too busy doing hard sums / off at the health spa). A couple of more imports like him and they could be contenders again ;D
Heard that rumour yesterday myself. He would certainly put DOWN a marker for the rest of the forwards.
Any other clues to who you are referring to?or just pm me exactly who it is,thanks
i see we are 10/3 with Paddy Power on Sunday. Are we worth a bet or should i just keep my money in mt pocket ??? Bookies never usually get it that wrong.
Massive challenge on Sunday, facing the All ireland champs on a pitch i dont think they have ever been beaten on. We just seem to be doing enough to scrape through every match from our 1/4 final in Derry, while Cross seem to be wiping the floor with every team they meet. i hope come 4.00pm on Sunday we are not another of their casualties!
Quote from: GerryFromDerry on November 11, 2011, 12:33:34 PM
i see we are 10/3 with Paddy Power on Sunday. Are we worth a bet or should i just keep my money in mt pocket ??? Bookies never usually get it that wrong.
Massive challenge on Sunday, facing the All ireland champs on a pitch i dont think they have ever been beaten on. We just seem to be doing enough to scrape through every match from our 1/4 final in Derry, while Cross seem to be wiping the floor with every team they meet. i hope come 4.00pm on Sunday we are not another of their casualties!
It will cost you enough on Sunday Gerry without giving Paddy Power a tenner. For once, I wouldn't mind see yunes winning but unfortunately if crossmaglen play like the way they did against St galls and the officials ignore their cynicism and off the ball the stuff, there can only be one result.
Quote from: tonesfirstandlast on November 11, 2011, 02:21:32 PM
Quote from: GerryFromDerry on November 11, 2011, 12:33:34 PM
i see we are 10/3 with Paddy Power on Sunday. Are we worth a bet or should i just keep my money in mt pocket ??? Bookies never usually get it that wrong.
Massive challenge on Sunday, facing the All ireland champs on a pitch i dont think they have ever been beaten on. We just seem to be doing enough to scrape through every match from our 1/4 final in Derry, while Cross seem to be wiping the floor with every team they meet. i hope come 4.00pm on Sunday we are not another of their casualties!
It will cost you enough on Sunday Gerry without giving Paddy Power a tenner. For once, I wouldn't mind see yunes winning but unfortunately if crossmaglen play like the way they did against St galls and the officials ignore their cynicism and off the ball the stuff, there can only be one result.
(http://www.inpho.ie/cache/inpho/69/97/a2/cb5764b6feaa16531197c3fdf1/INPHO_00045902.jpg)
:D :D Good auld McNally, dirty dig that day
Who are the linesmen for Sunday? Hope they have the balls to report what they see
Quote from: tonesfirstandlast on November 11, 2011, 02:21:32 PM
Quote from: GerryFromDerry on November 11, 2011, 12:33:34 PM
i see we are 10/3 with Paddy Power on Sunday. Are we worth a bet or should i just keep my money in mt pocket ??? Bookies never usually get it that wrong.
Massive challenge on Sunday, facing the All ireland champs on a pitch i dont think they have ever been beaten on. We just seem to be doing enough to scrape through every match from our 1/4 final in Derry, while Cross seem to be wiping the floor with every team they meet. i hope come 4.00pm on Sunday we are not another of their casualties!
It will cost you enough on Sunday Gerry without giving Paddy Power a tenner. For once, I wouldn't mind see yunes winning but unfortunately if crossmaglen play like the way they did against St galls and the officials ignore their cynicism and off the ball the stuff, there can only be one result.
I doubt you were at the St Galls match but Cross did not have the monoply on cynicism and off the ball stuff. In fact McGourty should have walked in the first half , altough it was handbags but he continuously acted the dick throughout. McQuillan was harder on Cross than Galls no doubt because of their Irish News outburst re last year's match. If Ballinderry are to beat Cross on Sunday they will have to play better football. If they try and mix it then no better men, Cross can play some but they can handle themselves as well.
Cross are being labelled cynical and even dirty in some quarters, i really dont see it myself, think they just operate at County standard and that sort of play/tactics are taken as a given at that level, not their fault the opposition are generally at a level or 10 below.
Having said that i think Ballinderry have a good chance, no slabbering or bitching from them in the press, just getting on with it - good sign & they are off course a quality side.
Agree 100% Benny.
How much in this weekend?
of course cross are cynical and dirty. any man who says otherwise couldnt be taken seriously. minor things like a cross man briefly stopping to celebrate their goal in the face of a Galls man on the ground the last day out would also stick in the mind.
but they also have awesome discipline that is reinforced by the complete confidence of being an outstanding team. the players rarely feel desperate enough to warrant a 2nd yellow, etc
Quote from: whiskeysteve on November 11, 2011, 06:33:32 PM
of course cross are cynical and dirty. any man who says otherwise couldnt be taken seriously. minor things like a cross man briefly stopping to celebrate their goal in the face of a Galls man on the ground the last day out would also stick in the mind.
but they also have awesome discipline that is reinforced by the complete confidence of being an outstanding team. the players rarely feel desperate enough to warrant a 2nd yellow, etc
i don't think being cynical and dirty won them 5 all irelands and 8 ulsters, you have to take these stats seriously
Quote from: whiskeysteve on November 11, 2011, 06:33:32 PM
of course cross are cynical and dirty. any man who says otherwise couldnt be taken seriously. minor things like a cross man briefly stopping to celebrate their goal in the face of a Galls man on the ground the last day out would also stick in the mind.
I assume that's a retort to me? If you actually read what I wrote I said
I reckon they operate at a different level (county level) where cynicism and that type of tactical play are a given, I wasn't suggesting they dont have a cycnical streak, just that it really is overstated. The fact that some people see this as an impediment or a negative is also amusing - Kerry are continually the biggest shower of cycnical hoors in the land, hasn't done them any harm.
(I'm not from Cross and have plenty of ambivalent feelings towards the shower :))
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Quote from: whiskeysteve on November 11, 2011, 06:33:32 PM
of course cross are cynical and dirty. any man who says otherwise couldnt be taken seriously. minor things like a cross man briefly stopping to celebrate their goal in the face of a Galls man on the ground the last day out would also stick in the mind.
but they also have awesome discipline that is reinforced by the complete confidence of being an outstanding team. the players rarely feel desperate enough to warrant a 2nd yellow, etc
i don't think being cynical and dirty won them 5 all irelands and 8 ulsters, you have to take these stats seriously
Above all else they have had and still have a great number of exceptional footballers with exceptional character. Beneath that there is a cynical streak that has contributed to those stats at certain points down the road.
benny I don't think we are diagreeing, all I would say is that it may well be 'county' level but its still cynicism and dirt and just because its executed in a hell of a lot cuter fashion than what we see from some of the lesser muck savage clubs every county possesses doesn't necessarily make it any more admirable.
And I would also echo that the way Cross implement it with great discipline (bit of a paradox) - it definitely gives them an advantage more often than not.
I wouldn't label it as one of their qualities to be admired, but I would definitely describe it as one of their strengths to be acknowledged.
driven, skillful, athletic, cynical/dirty, etc. They are not mutually exclusive and they are the strengths of a great team.
Jaysus you'd swear we were the only ones who ever played on the edge! ::). Just because we can do it better than others doesn't mean that others don't. Also this team is in the ha'penny place when it comes to 'playing on the edge'. Thank f**k the culture of discussion boards wasn't popular in the late 90s, we would have been torn to shreds!!!!!
every great team plays "on the edge "
it's the difference between winning and losing. Ballinderry were the best team in Ireland nigh on 10 years ago. Do you think they had 15 men with halo's playing ??
Jealousy is a wonderful thing. In 1997, the whole of the north would have backed Cross in their AI campaign. Now there is a lot of jealousy and bitterness towards them. I will back Bderry on Sunday, cause as i have said before i have friends and family there.
I know not one person personally in Crossmaglen but if Cross win, i hope they go on and win the AI. Best club side ever in ireland.
Better than Nemo?
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on November 11, 2011, 09:20:39 PM
every great team plays "on the edge "
it's the difference between winning and losing. Ballinderry were the best team in Ireland nigh on 10 years ago. Do you think they had 15 men with halo's playing ??
Jealousy is a wonderful thing. In 1997, the whole of the north would have backed Cross in their AI campaign. Now there is a lot of jealousy and bitterness towards them. I will back Bderry on Sunday, cause as i have said before i have friends and family there.
I know not one person personally in Crossmaglen but if Cross win, i hope they go on and win the AI. Best club side ever in ireland.
+1 Well said.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2011, 12:28:54 AM
Better than Nemo?
probably, they have a more competitive provincial cship to negotiate
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on November 11, 2011, 09:20:39 PM
every great team plays "on the edge "it's the difference between winning and losing. Ballinderry were the best team in Ireland nigh on 10 years ago. Do you think they had 15 men with halo's playing ??
Jealousy is a wonderful thing. In 1997, the whole of the north would have backed Cross in their AI campaign. Now there is a lot of jealousy and bitterness towards them. I will back Bderry on Sunday, cause as i have said before i have friends and family there.
I know not one person personally in Crossmaglen but if Cross win, i hope they go on and win the AI. Best club side ever in ireland.
Could someone explain to me in a little more detail, what
playing on the edge is.
Are the rules not the same for every team.
Hope our neighbours can topple the best team of all time tomorrow. Good luck Ballinderry.
On the topic of cynical play etc of cross I was talking to an old guy in the stand at their last game about cross, how they play etc.
We're antrim men who no reason to have any bias against them by the way...
His comment to me was that he found it very hard to like crossmaglen. His reason being was that he reckoned they always "targetted" the key player on the opposition team to either a) get sent off or b) take them out.
His reference point was Mickey Linden from years ago but Sean Kelly got quite a bit of treatment the last day too. CJ wouldn't need much "treatment" to get him wound up anyway but Kelly wouldn't be likely to get sent off and did appear to be targetted with a lot of late hits after he released. Aaron Cunningham's one stands out but there were a few more.
Muldoon / Gilligan would be the key ones tomorrow. I await with interest to see if they're "targeted".
Another guy's comment on the way out was that cross didn't play football for ten minutes against st galls as they were just up to dirty tricks for that time. Then they started playing and ten minutes later the game was over.
Playing on the edge is more often used in rugby, Southern Hemisphere teams are renound for playing on the edge of off side at the ruck/breakdown and refs from the SH are more inclined to let this go, it is that grey area between off and on and gives an advantage. In gaelic it is on the edge of legal, in all probablility a foul but the ref lets it go to keep the game flowing. I have watched Cross quite a bit ove the years including the St Galls match this year. Someone else said they play like a county team and that is as accurate a description as you can get. Certainly the speed and interchange in the Cross match made the preceeding Intermediate match look like drying paint. I didn't think Cross were dirty they played hard as an County team would. The only real bad tackle from them was the Hannratty one. Aaron Cunniham actually pulled out of the tackle that everyone is taliking about and the St Galls player went downvery easy. I had a great view of it.
Fair play to most Armagh men though, they get behind Cross after they win the Armagh Championship year in year out. Great to know that they have that support. Any differences or jealousy's are left behind as they support them on the All Ireland run.
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 12, 2011, 02:31:26 PM
His reference point was Mickey Linden from years ago but Sean Kelly got quite a bit of treatment the last day too.
Maybe even before the throw-in too. Sean Kelly was knocked into once if not twice as Crossmaglen were running out through the St Gall's guard of honour. Maybe it was accidental. Bad form from Cross if not.
Milltown Row. Would you recommend any place close to Casement for lunch.
Quote from: crossfire on November 12, 2011, 03:31:03 PM
Milltown Row. Would you recommend any place close to Casement for lunch.
Wouldn't be too many places on the Andytown road that I'd say was decent for food
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2011, 03:21:45 PM
Fair play to most Armagh men though, they get behind Cross after they win the Armagh Championship year in year out. Great to know that they have that support. Any differences or jealousy's are left behind as they support them on the All Ireland run.
I'll be cheering on the shams :D If anything to annoy a mate who idolises Cross to the extent that he owns a few Cross jerseys. Sad ****.
Quote from: fitzroyalty on November 12, 2011, 03:41:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2011, 03:21:45 PM
Fair play to most Armagh men though, they get behind Cross after they win the Armagh Championship year in year out. Great to know that they have that support. Any differences or jealousy's are left behind as they support them on the All Ireland run.
I'll be cheering on the shams :D If anything to annoy a mate who idolises Cross to the extent that he owns a few Cross jerseys. Sad ****.
as a neutral and being from bellaghy and having many battles with both these clubs and having massive respect for both clubs i wouldnt pick one over the other to support and dont really mind who wins,maybe ballinderry as there are from derry but if i am honest as soon as my club go out of championship football i dont care who wins.but what i cant understand and detest is people who really want another team to get beat and make it known,that in my opinion is jealousy,i will just go to the game hoping for a great match between to great clubs and fair play to the winners whoever that may be.
Quotebut what i cant understand and detest is people who really want another team to get beat and make it known,that in my opinion is jealousy
Don't Worry. Fitzroyalty can make it up by cheering for Cross' in the Ulster final. He can even wear of his mate's Cross' jerseys.
Hopefully it will be a good game.
Ok, my club are traditional rivals with Cross, granted we haven't been within a hounds growl of anywhere near their level in over a decade, still doesn't stop the fact they are big rivals with us. Most people don't support their rivals. AK even said after one of the recent finals that his favourite win was back in 2006 (wonder who they were playing that day?)
I'd say plenty of Dromintee men, Cullyhanna men, Silverbridge men Ogs men etc wouldn't exactly mind a Ballinderry victory either.
Quotebut what i cant understand and detest is people who really want another team to get beat and make it known,that in my opinion is jealousy
Would you not be jealous of 5 AIs and 8 Ulsters and a million Armagh SFCs!?!
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on November 12, 2011, 09:35:44 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2011, 12:28:54 AM
Better than Nemo?
probably, they have a more competitive provincial cship to negotiate
I'd say the 17 All Irelands from 9 different Munster clubs would make that province more competitive.
Quote from: Blowitupref on November 12, 2011, 06:58:17 PM
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on November 12, 2011, 09:35:44 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2011, 12:28:54 AM
Better than Nemo?
probably, they have a more competitive provincial cship to negotiate
I'd say the 17 All Irelands from 9 different Munster clubs would make that province more competitive.
I make it seven different clubs.
You CAN NOT be counting East Kerry or Thomond College can you?
How many different clubs have won it in ulster?
- Cross
- Galls
- Ballinderry
- Burren
- Bellaghy
- Lavey
Anyone else? (3 derry clubs...)
Just about on a par. Been a long time since anyone outside nemo won it from munster.
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on November 12, 2011, 11:35:51 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on November 12, 2011, 06:58:17 PM
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on November 12, 2011, 09:35:44 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 12, 2011, 12:28:54 AM
Better than Nemo?
probably, they have a more competitive provincial cship to negotiate
I'd say the 17 All Irelands from 9 different Munster clubs would make that province more competitive.
I make it seven different clubs.
You CAN NOT be counting East Kerry or Thomond College can you?
how many ulster clubs have won it ? Six ?
Cross
St Galls
Bellaghy
Ballinderry
Lavey
Burren
Beat me to it tommy, nearly for for word to.
Full list here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-Ireland_Senior_Club_Football_Championship#Past_winners
Cant base who has the most competitive province over the last few decades.
Perhaps a 10 year time frame would be better. Connacht would be considered the most competitive based on the amount of winner having 4 different winner since 2001, Munster have the one, Ulster have 3 and Leinster 2.
Don't think nemo have had much competition over the last ten or so years though. The standard of munster clubs have been poor enough.
Ulster hasn't been too bad with 3 clubs in last 10 years.
Dublin club championship about as competitive as it gets though. Some very strong clubs in there.
Yes, that would be right hoof. there are 11 titles from Ulster clubs, our 5, Burrens 2 and then 1 each for the other clubs. The big difference is that since we won our first one Ulster clubs have won 7 and Munster clubs have won 1.
Anyway nervous this morning. Can't make it unfortunately but will be kiicking every ball on the couch!!! Heart obviously says Cross head not quite so clear. Despite what people might believe injuries haven't cleared up and we will habe to make major adjustments to accommodate the changes. A lot will depend onn the start each team makes. If we stop them getting early goals we will win I think. If they get an early goal, well I just don't know....
Cross will win this game easy. I think Ballinderry are past their best whilst Cross are still getting better.
Quote from: yellowcard on November 13, 2011, 01:01:19 PM
Cross will win this game easy. I think Ballinderry are past their best whilst Cross are still getting better.
I would love it if the Shamrocks win Today, however too many of their key players (Deets and Enda especially) can be marked out of the game quite easily. Deets might've had an awesome Career with Derry, but didn't focus on building himself up the way Snout did for Tyrone.
Cross by 5 or 6. They are the better team by a fair bit
I can see ballinderry shade this, i was very impressed with how they played against dromore last time out. They seemed very fired up and in my opinion they will have the physical advantage which means they wont be bullied by cross, they also have mc cusker to spring from the sidelines if the game turns very physical. They are also the most experienced side which cross could face in ulster with 5 or 6 men who were playing in the last ulster final. Cross are thoroughly deserving of the favorites tag, especially with jamie clarke on fire. But the bookies odds don't reflect the closeness of the teams, if the derry lads have a good start and it is close at half time they will be in with a good shout. If cross go 4 or 5 points up in the first 20 mins it would be hard to make up the difference. But in saying that i think ballinderry by 1
Also have a feeling this game may be over the PG rated certificate
Is there a breeze here?
Who's 14 for bderry? He's losing some amount of possession.
Ballinderry look awful. Cross cruising this in 2nd gear at the moment.
Game over!
Looking forward to the Orange birgade lambasting the Cross player who reacted like he got shot.
bit harsh that red I think.
is it me or is the ref blowing up a aweful lot for over carrying?
Quote from: Square Ball on November 13, 2011, 03:05:14 PM
bit harsh that red I think
Harsh enough but he did strike out and connect. Not a whole pile of force in it but still struck.
it was def worth a yellow anyway
Was it not a second yellow?
He did go down like he was shot but Harney has been around long enough to know better. Cross are just ridiculously good can't believe how average they are making Ballinderry look. Aaron Kernan and McNamee have the freedom of the park and they are getting cleaned out at MF.
Cannot see a way back from that!
Cross players must be watching too much cross channel soccer - nice little bit of play acting to get the Ballinderry boy sent off. Shame that this diving is now part of our great game.
Can't believe how poor Ballinderry were in the first half - clueless!!
Whats the score?
Cross 11-4 up.
Sure we were shite also :D :D
Whoever thought Cross would have their hardest game today was on the wind up.
Cross playing football and don't look as if they have got out of first gear. If Burren win through to the final they should give them a game
To be fair, Sludden seen the strike. So he had to go regardless of McKenna's actions.
14 struck and had to go. Same should have applied to the cross defender who punched wilkinson after he'd won a free on the endline of course
Poor form from McKenna, that sort of shite is ruining Gaelic football.
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on November 13, 2011, 03:05:08 PM
Looking forward to the Orange birgade lambasting the Cross player who reacted like he got shot.
Couldn't possibly put this incident on a par with Jordans. That lad deserved to go, a clear second with a rabbit punch. Your fellow county man Sludden agreed.
Quote from: DuffleKing on November 13, 2011, 03:16:33 PM
14 struck and had to go. Same should have applied to the cross defender who punched wilkinson after he'd won a free on the endline of course
seen that, dont think the ref or umpires did mind you
Ballinderry making a game of it now, Fair play, playing better with a man down
Sludden giving Ballinderry a lot of leeway this ha;f with some tackling.
Turning into a right game. Expect Cross to start throwing punchs if cross get within 2/3 points.
McKenna reacted like he'd been hit with a block hammer, poor form.
Collie Devlin could add a bit of guile to this Ballinderry team, I give it 5 minutes before he is took out of it.
Cross getting ratty.
Expect fisticuffs in 3,2,1......
Yep Yep Yep!
This is some performance from the 14 man team from Tyrone!
In fairness, he's had a better than usual performance but at the same time still completely rank! ;D
Enda Muldoon can catch some ball! Impressed.
Ballinderry have played much better with 14 men, have put a bit of pride back in the jersey! Muldoon is still their best player, he is a joy to watch.
Have to say the Ballinderry corner-backs are a real weak-link on their team.
Expect Cross to pull away in the last ten.
2nd super save that Ballinderry keeper pulled off
Quote from: robbiegael on November 13, 2011, 03:41:08 PM
Ballinderry have played much better with 14 men, have put a bit of pride back in the jersey! Muldoon is still their best player, he is a joy to watch.
Have to say the Ballinderry corner-backs are a real weak-link on their team.
Expect Cross to pull away in the last ten.
Last ten how much injury time are you expecting?
Had to go. He gets away with so much-very cynical player.
kernan gets the line. well deserved
Game set and match but Ballinderry did themselves proud.
Should have been a straight red for Kernan. Dirty act.
Great game, both teams played well. 28 scores at this time of the year is very good. Game played in the right spirit. Usual suspects out for the anti Cross campaign. AK desrved to go, definitely second yellow, same as Harney. 4 point win probably is right for the difference between the 2 teams over the hour.
Quote from: tyroneman on November 13, 2011, 03:48:30 PM
Should have been a straight red for Kernan. Dirty act.
Was barely a yellow.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 13, 2011, 03:14:16 PM
Sure we were shite also :D :D
Whoever thought Cross would have their hardest game today was on the wind up.
Cross playing football and don't look as if they have got out of first gear. If Burren win through to the final they should give them a game
Ask the Cross lads which game was their hardest now? If Ballinderry had played at all in the first half they could have won it. Cross still massive favourites and I don't think they'll be beat at this stage.
Thought the Cross/B'derry game was quite enjoyable. B'derry came back well in the 2nd half with Wilkinson and Gilligan prominent. However, XMG's experience told in the end.
Big advantage from Cross's point of view is that they can afford for the likes of Clarke and McConville to have quiet enough games as they have the likes of the Kernan's and that to chip in with the scores.
Very impressed with the Ballinderry keeper today. Some brilliant shot stopping. Probably would have had Colin Devlin in from the start. Muldoon took some fine fetches in the 2nd half.
Would love to see a XMG/Burren Final. Still think that XMG are slightly vulnerable at the back.
Excellent game almost spoilt by an inconsistently fussy and poor refereeing performance. Didn't see the Kernan incident but from where I was sat Ballinderry 14 should have been sent off twice. First incident looked like a clear elbow to the side of the head. Second incident looked like a clear strike.
Two very impressive sides particularly Cross who would give some county teams a run for their money.
Thought Cross were brilliant in the first half only to fall asleep in the second. But they won as they usually do. The major difference to me was that Cross had a number of players who could take a point from distance while Ballinderry took more out of the ball. For what was a surprisingly clean game I find it hard to believe that two players were sent off. Hanratty did not look himself and I would suspect this may have been due to his injury in the last game. Thought Paul Kernan was definitely missed and if he is out for the final the winners of the other semi will be all the happier. Thought Sludden was better than I expected but he still favoured the 14 men at the start of the second half - as all referees seem to. On a final note if Clarke got booked for his reaction surely the Ballinderry player should have got booked too for doing what Aaron Kernan got sent off for?
Good display by XMG today. Ballinderry plugged the holes in the second half and made it interesting, but MOM for me was Tony Kernan.
Great to see a big crowd too.
Quote from: screenexile on November 13, 2011, 03:57:35 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 13, 2011, 03:14:16 PM
Sure we were shite also :D :D
Whoever thought Cross would have their hardest game today was on the wind up.
Cross playing football and don't look as if they have got out of first gear. If Burren win through to the final they should give them a game
Ask the Cross lads which game was their hardest now? If Ballinderry had played at all in the first half they could have won it. Cross still massive favourites and I don't think they'll be beat at this stage.
You failed to put my last post up concerning the game, i thought Ballinderry were the better team with 14 men. But on the bases of the first half, of which i could only post at the time (being halftime) they were crap, and Cross were making them look slow and lacking direction. That changed
On a different note there has been discussion about rule changes. Watching todays game one I would love to see is that more than two people are not allowed to surround the man with the ball. How many times today did a player win the ball only to be surrounded and a free given against him for overcarrying. It might also cut down on some of the sly digs - such as the one Harney got the line for.
As long as they are not fouling the player with the ball what's the problem?
Fair play to both teams, served up a great match. XMG's great start probably won them the game, B'derry sat and watched the first 5 mins. Even big Brad Friedel in nets watched the ball bounce in front of him and over the bar!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 13, 2011, 05:22:43 PM
As long as they are not fouling the player with the ball what's the problem?
Quite simple really. If a player makes a catch and is surrounded it is impossible for him not to commit a foul before he gets rid of the ball. He either is caught for over carrying or charging (this is the only way he can move). This creates more stoppages and also penalises the art of fielding. I assume this is the reason the mark was tried a few seasons back. The close proximity of players also makes the 'half foul' more likely. It is also refereed very inconsistently with some refs favouring the fielder and others the defenders. A simple rule as suggested may make consistency easier to achieve in this area.
Quote from: Throw ball on November 13, 2011, 05:07:19 PM
On a different note there has been discussion about rule changes. Watching todays game one I would love to see is that more than two people are not allowed to surround the man with the ball.
With all due respect that's a daft suggestion.
What next - goalkeepers not allowed to stop the ball unless it's straight at them?
See goals from Burren-Roslea & Rostrevor beating Scotstown in the Paul McGirr Tournament - lovely day to be out an about in November! - http://t.co/KnUgT5i5 (http://t.co/KnUgT5i5)
Any truth in that sludden got a slap from a ballinderry sub after the game??
Quote from: Family guy on November 13, 2011, 06:04:58 PM
Any truth in that sludden got a slap from a ballinderry sub after the game??
Whilst Sludden is a poor enough referee I thought he done ok today, certainly the Ballinderry player who stupidly got a 2nd yellow needs to look at himself first. However how that Sludden man is deemed fit enough to referee at inter county level is beyond me. He's got 2 or 3 in his belly!!
Very surprised at Ballinderry. They seemed to abandon their swarm defence that served them so well in last two games. They committed far too much to attack in the first quarter allowing Cross to dictate the terms of the game and more importantly giving the Cross forwards far too much room to play. Mind you, get beat at midfield didn't help but I felt Muldoon should have been brought out after 5 mins. Ballinderry actually fell into a better formation after they were forced to after the sending off. The Ballinderry forwards then got the room they had afforded Cross in the first half. Shamrocks also upped their aggression levels in 2nd half. Fair play to them. They deserve credit but it was too little too late. You can't give Cross a seven point start. Good game and best team won but Ballinderry missed out on a great chance as Cross were there for the taking. Good luck to Cross and I hope they go on and win it.
Quote from: Family guy on November 13, 2011, 06:04:58 PM
Any truth in that sludden got a slap from a ballinderry sub after the game??
If he did, it's a disgrace as I thought he did an excellent job in a high octane and physical game.Sludden has made mistakes in the past but I admire his guts in continuing after the abuse he got. These two teams would not be known for holding back and the fact that Sludden did such a good job allowed the game to develop into as good a game of winter football as you are likely to see. Cross are superb champions and have taken club football to a new level.Pity to see Muldoon ,Gilliigan and Conway finish on a losing side but they left nothing on the pitch.
why did Ballinderry abandon their tactic that had served them so well up to Today - eg everyone back behind the ball, bar two full forwards. They gave Cross forwards far too much room in the opening twenty minutes.
Quote from: Family guy on November 13, 2011, 06:04:58 PM
Any truth in that sludden got a slap from a ballinderry sub after the game??
Balls. Now go away and focus on the bloodbath in the tyrone league final.
Quote from: sam03/05 on November 13, 2011, 07:58:10 PM
why did Ballinderry abandon their tactic that had served them so well up to Today - eg everyone back behind the ball, bar two full forwards. They gave Cross forwards far too much room in the opening twenty minutes.
spot on. Was very surprising.
I think there was an element of swarm to the attack in the way Cross played that overwhelmed the Ballinderry defence early. I was at midfield in the press box and Cross frequently had 10 men inside Ballinderry territory when going forward.
It was an impressive comeback by Ballinderry, played a counter-punching game passing the ball at speed. Crossmaglen's diversity of options for shooting really is something at this level. They can hurt you in a lot of ways and that's really tough to defend against.
Firstly, congrats to cross. No excuses - better team over the whole 60 mins won. We were probably the better team in the 2nd half but the damage was done in the first half. Some great hard football played by both sides and it was a gutsy performance by us in the 2nd half. Fair play to cross when we scored the penalty they didn't panic and went up the field and scored a few points to edge away. Didn't see Harney's 2nd yellow card but speaking to a few players after the match, they thought it was harsh due to why he hit. But as a famous derry maanger once said - "if you strake a man in this game, then your aff!" Harney has had a great year and i hope he gives it another go next year. As for Kernan's sending off, it was a yellow card challange and his second. Also must mention the 4 great saves by both Micky C and Hearty. Hopefully all our players will sit down, look at this performance, and go again next year. There is still more in this team.
Anyway, best of luck to Cross, Burren and Latton for the rest of Ulster. However wins I will be supporting in the All-Ireland.
Also good luck to craigbane in the Ulster Final.
UTS
Quote from: tyroneman on November 13, 2011, 03:48:30 PM
Should have been a straight red for Kernan. Dirty act.
A bit rich coming from a Tyrone supporter. ???
I didn't think AK did that much but if he got anything it should have been a straight red. Either he struck or he didn't is my point there - not that he deserved a red.
Cross defended in numbers and Ballinderry defended as individuals and I think that cost them to a large extent.
I don't think the Kernans up front get enough credit for Cross. Stephen has been very useful last two games. Clarke was that bit quieter today, though still effective, so they'd to stand up.
I also didn't think Ballinderry knew their best team until the last 15 or 20 minutes which didn't help them.
Big Enda was a joy to watch today. He can climb for a ball. The catch he made to set up Ballinderry's last point was superb. He should have been in midfield from the start.
Very enjoyable game of football. The damage was done in the first 20 minutes and Cross were never going to let that slip (though who know's what would have happened if Ballinderry had drew level with a few minutes to go).
Cross are a superb outfit and no matter who they play or who is playing for them they go out and get the job done. Have to give credit to Ballinderry too they way they came back in the 2nd half and made a real game of it despite being a man down and so far behind on the scoreboard.
i thought ballinderrys hard tackling/double manning on clarke was counter productive far too much attention to him when he wasnt doing too much especially in the second half. but thats the problem when you play cross some other guy will come from nowhere and do damage. enda muldoon gave the cross midfield a lesson in ball winning and managers will spot this weakness in crosses armory. but john mac is liable to tog out and shore it up.... theyre a class team great attitude.
McKenna is generally able to mix it with most fielding wise. He'll not come up against many with the ability of Muldoon so not sure that's somewhere that can be exposed.
Reminded me very much of cross-burren game last year.
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On a different note there has been discussion about rule changes. Watching todays game one I would love to see is that more than two people are not allowed to surround the man with the ball.
With all due respect that's a daft suggestion.
What next - goalkeepers not allowed to stop the ball unless it's straight at them?
To be fair that is exactly the thought I had when I read it suggested by one of our newspaper pundits but on thinking about it the idea has grown on me. Something to reduce fouling and speed up the game has to be welcome. It may not work I agree. Then again when soccer introduced the back pass rule it probably appeared stupid that a keeper could not handle the ball;or, when rugby introduced the new tackle rule it appeared silly that once you tackled a player you had to let him go!
Burren will need to step up their performance if they are to give this comp a real rattle. Their 7 point margin of victory was a tad harsh on a dogged battling Roslea display. Certainly the better team in most areas of the park, especially around the middle but with 5 mins remaining the game hung in the balance with only a point between the teams.
Nice to have the luxury of having an International Rules player at wing half too. Still sign of a good team to turn on the style when the pressure was on, but I would imagine that Latton could test them even further but they would not get within 6 points of classy Crossmaglen.
have to say i enjoyed yesterdays match,the pattern of the game has already been covered but have to give credit to ballinderrys 2nd half performance but cross just looked that bit better and were able to pick off important scores.thought the harney sending off was harsh and how the cross physio with the orange bid didnt get emptied is beyond me for he acted a complete bollicks and doesnt do cross any favours by his behaviour along the line.
Over th hr cross were the better team. Shamrocks will have plenty of regrets about first half mind you.
Few pts
Mc kenn a went down easy but he was caught with a rabbit punch so it had to be a yellow
Why no straight red for kernan if he was caught punching?
The 2 managers were at it the whole game with sly shoulders into each other, think cross came of better in that as well
Cross physio got involved with a shamrocks player, few lads were looking across the fence to him!
Was sludden that bad that he deserved to get put on his arse after the game by the sub?
The cross machine rolls on. Nothing left in ulster to worry them
In relation to Sludden, I thought he did very well. He got all the big calls right, 2 sendings off were right, penalty seemed like a right decision and even though he favoured Ballinderry slightly in the early stages of the second half it wasn't too bad. I think he handled the game well but he was helped by 2 sets of players who went about the game the right way with plenty of hard hitting which rarely went over the edge. I certainly wouldn't have any complaints about him.
I didn't see the any incidents on the sideline, which physio was it? Heavy lad or thin lad? Also was McKindless having a shouldering match with Tony or Gareth? In fairness to him I could think of easier things to be at than that :D
Better team on the day won, no complaints from Ballinderry I would think. They have only themselves to blame as for some reason in the first half they completely changed the way they have defended all year. Why Muldoon wasn't at midfield for the full game will remain a mystery.
Sludden did well enough, he wasn't well served by his umpires in the first half when Wilkinson was punched in the mouth as clear as day, just after Hearty had saved his goal effort. It was a spiteful enough slap which was uncalled for.
BCB,
Couple of questions,
Pretty obvious, but do the Cross mangment focus totally on kick passing? Eerything yesterday was off the boot and it is great to watch. Takes some fitness too to play that type of football.
Also, Has Stephen Kenan being called into the county this year? Thought he controlled the game yesterday and is probably Cross best player this year.
On yeserdays game, Cross never panicked. When Ballinderry got the goal, they just ploughed away and nearly responded with a goal themselves. Their defence is still a bit suspect. James Morgan had a rat game as did Paul McKeown. Thought O'Callaghan was lucky enough to stay on the field with some clumsy tackles but he is turning into the Donaldson type player, not letting anyone down the middle which is working.
Quote from: Mont on November 14, 2011, 10:23:20 AM
Was sludden that bad that he deserved to get put on his arse after the game by the sub?
No i thought he reffed the game very fairly and well. He set out his stall early that he would take no oul shite and the two boys that got the line had better known better. Thought the one dimensional kickouts of the Balinderry keeper really killed them in the first half before Muldoon came out to take the bad look off them. Both sides missed really good goal chances and I thought Giligan's wide when a point down near the end was a real momentum killer for Balinderry.
On the discipline front there appeared to be a bit of a handling on the terrace below the stand? I was on the far side of the pitch so can't be sure how bad it was?
Quote from: Joxer on November 14, 2011, 10:40:37 AM
BCB,
Couple of questions,
Pretty obvious, but do the Cross mangment focus totally on kick passing? Eerything yesterday was off the boot and it is great to watch. Takes some fitness too to play that type of football.
Also, Has Stephen Kenan being called into the county this year? Thought he controlled the game yesterday and is probably Cross best player this year.
On yeserdays game, Cross never panicked. When Ballinderry got the goal, they just ploughed away and nearly responded with a goal themselves. Their defence is still a bit suspect. James Morgan had a rat game as did Paul McKeown. Thought O'Callaghan was lucky enough to stay on the field with some clumsy tackles but he is turning into the Donaldson type player, not letting anyone down the middle which is working.
Yes Joxer, they do an awful lot of work on kick passing, its the way the game is coached throughout the club so it is not that hard to keep it going. Also their fitness training is something else.
I would imagine SK will be asked onto the county and probably will go because the one thing about all the Kernans is that although Cross is no 1 in their eyes, Armagh is a very close no 2 and they are very proud county men.
PMK and James had quieter games yesterday but importantly they won a few very crucial balls at crucial times. Danny and Fiddler in the HB line are old fashioned Cross half backs, like JD as you say and they don't ask questions, they just give answers!!! They will though need to pick their game up for Burren.
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Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 14, 2011, 10:47:13 AM
Quote from: Joxer on November 14, 2011, 10:40:37 AM
BCB,
Couple of questions,
Pretty obvious, but do the Cross mangment focus totally on kick passing? Eerything yesterday was off the boot and it is great to watch. Takes some fitness too to play that type of football.
Also, Has Stephen Kenan being called into the county this year? Thought he controlled the game yesterday and is probably Cross best player this year.
On yeserdays game, Cross never panicked. When Ballinderry got the goal, they just ploughed away and nearly responded with a goal themselves. Their defence is still a bit suspect. James Morgan had a rat game as did Paul McKeown. Thought O'Callaghan was lucky enough to stay on the field with some clumsy tackles but he is turning into the Donaldson type player, not letting anyone down the middle which is working.
Yes Joxer, they do an awful lot of work on kick passing, its the way the game is coached throughout the club so it is not that hard to keep it going. Also their fitness training is something else.
I would imagine SK will be asked onto the county and probably will go because the one thing about all the Kernans is that although Cross is no 1 in their eyes, Armagh is a very close no 2 and they are very proud county men.
PMK and James had quieter games yesterday but importantly they won a few very crucial balls at crucial times. Danny and Fiddler in the HB line are old fashioned Cross half backs, like JD as you say and they don't ask questions, they just give answers!!! They will though need to pick their game up for Burren.
Or Latton......
Burren will wipe Latton off the field!!!
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 14, 2011, 10:47:13 AM
Quote from: Joxer on November 14, 2011, 10:40:37 AM
BCB,
Couple of questions,
Pretty obvious, but do the Cross mangment focus totally on kick passing? Eerything yesterday was off the boot and it is great to watch. Takes some fitness too to play that type of football.
Also, Has Stephen Kenan being called into the county this year? Thought he controlled the game yesterday and is probably Cross best player this year.
On yeserdays game, Cross never panicked. When Ballinderry got the goal, they just ploughed away and nearly responded with a goal themselves. Their defence is still a bit suspect. James Morgan had a rat game as did Paul McKeown. Thought O'Callaghan was lucky enough to stay on the field with some clumsy tackles but he is turning into the Donaldson type player, not letting anyone down the middle which is working.
Yes Joxer, they do an awful lot of work on kick passing, its the way the game is coached throughout the club so it is not that hard to keep it going. Also their fitness training is something else.
I would imagine SK will be asked onto the county and probably will go because the one thing about all the Kernans is that although Cross is no 1 in their eyes, Armagh is a very close no 2 and they are very proud county men.
PMK and James had quieter games yesterday but importantly they won a few very crucial balls at crucial times. Danny and Fiddler in the HB line are old fashioned Cross half backs, like JD as you say and they don't ask questions, they just give answers!!! They will though need to pick their game up for Burren.
Stephen Kernan was soloing towards goal yesterday and did a sort Ronaldo feet shuffle to get past the last man. That was the first time I saw anything like that on the gaelic field. Unfortunately he ran out of space to get a shot in, but great skill from Stephen.
Quote from: Mont on November 14, 2011, 10:23:20 AM
Was sludden that bad that he deserved to get put on his arse after the game by the sub?
Sloppy writing Mont. Doesn't matter how bad a referee might be, nothing should merit him being put on his arse. That can't be repeated enough.
I thought Sludden was good today. He was as fair and consistant as you could reasonably expect a referee to be in fast and furious Ulster semi-final in the middle of November. Ballinderry and Crossmaglen played their part in a match generally devoid of cynicism or malice. McKenna's play acting was the only disappointing part for me. He's better than that and it was unnecessary as Sludden had already seen Harney's reaction and he was (rightly) walking anyway.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 14, 2011, 10:33:24 AM
In relation to Sludden, I thought he did very well. He got all the big calls right, 2 sendings off were right, penalty seemed like a right decision and even though he favoured Ballinderry slightly in the early stages of the second half it wasn't too bad. I think he handled the game well but he was helped by 2 sets of players who went about the game the right way with plenty of hard hitting which rarely went over the edge. I certainly wouldn't have any complaints about him.
I didn't see the any incidents on the sideline, which physio was it? Heavy lad or thin lad? Also was McKindless having a shouldering match with Tony or Gareth? In fairness to him I could think of easier things to be at than that :D
foul started outside the area for the penalty so should nvr a been a pen. think ref gave it because it was so cynical whn the lad was clean through.
the thin physio - not the 1st time member of cross sideline team has been involved in games - umpires/linesmen/county board officials/reserve ref should all go 2 specsavers
Mckindless and tony mac were at it. b'derry chairman was trying to calm mckindless down - lighter job wud suit him anyway :D
how r armagh good enough to leave s kernan off the panel never mind the 1st 15 is crazy. was there something about murtagh not having him on it because he has no time for him? maybe grimley will see past it. are the armagh subs all that good and would they all be able to pull the strings for the best club team in ulster? if so ye lads should have more all irelands
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on November 14, 2011, 11:35:00 AM
Quote from: Mont on November 14, 2011, 10:23:20 AM
Was sludden that bad that he deserved to get put on his arse after the game by the sub?
Sloppy writing Mont. Doesn't matter how bad a referee might be, nothing should merit him being put on his arse. That can't be repeated enough.
point taken altho i didnt think he was all that bad. what i ment was on some occasions lads lose the run of themselves if the ref is shite (louth v meath) - not saying their reaction is right - it isnt but sludden didnt do much wrong for b'derry lads to be pissed off with him.
they shud be more pissed off with their first half performance and harney being a fool.
maybe sum people want this wiped under the table
Quote from: Mont on November 14, 2011, 11:35:50 AM
foul started outside the area for the penalty...
Agreed
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...so should nvr a been a pen.
Disagree. The referee played advantage and when Cross continued to foul him inside the large parallelogram he gave a penalty ;) :D ;D
There's 2 minutes of hilites from a really decent game between Roslea and Burren here - http://ulster.gaa.ie/ (http://ulster.gaa.ie/)
I don't think there can be any debate about the penalty, it was pretty clear cut in my eyes. On the penalty, would there be any backing for a change in the rules where in the situation like yesterday where Kernan is clearly the last man and denying a goal scoring opportunity that the last man tackle policy used in soccer could apply and that player be red carded. It seems to becoming more regular, especially with the better teams, that there is a ruthless approach to stopping shots on goal and they will happily take a yellow card by dragging a man down or taking him out with no intention of playing the ball when he is running through on goal. If there was the possibility of a red it may remove this cynical approach some players seem to have adopted.
On the game itself, Ballinderry certainly produced some performance in the second half but just couldn't get the equaliser to really put the pressure on Cross. Some going with 14 men in fairness. In the first half especially Cross made it look terribly easy. They always had an option at about the halfway line on both sidelines where they kicked the ball to out of defence. These players won practically every ball that came their way, turned and kicked it into the forwards who won the lions share of ball as well and done serious damage in the first half at least along with players running through. A rather simple but devastating approach when the running is timed right and the quality of ball is that good. For Ballinderry, Muldoon obviously stood out and I thought Darren Conway had a great game as well as the two keepers who can have no real complaints with their performances.
It's a pity we have to listen to the BBC's local headline news of a mini riot in Tyrone rather than the great game at Casement Park yesterday. :-[
Quote from: screenmachine on November 14, 2011, 12:53:11 PM
On the penalty, would there be any backing for a change in the rules where in the situation like yesterday where Kernan is clearly the last man and denying a goal scoring opportunity that the last man tackle policy used in soccer could apply and that player be red carded.
I wouldn't be in favour of it. Too open to interpretation and controversy. Yellow card is fine - he can only do it once ;)
Quote from: Orior on November 14, 2011, 11:29:34 AM
Stephen Kernan was soloing towards goal yesterday and did a sort Ronaldo feet shuffle to get past the last man. That was the first time I saw anything like that on the gaelic field. Unfortunately he ran out of space to get a shot in, but great skill from Stephen.
I hope you're not talking about the time he went on a solo ran, and then couldnt make up his mind what to do with the last man, went one way, fell the other, and was blew for overcarrying??!
Quote from: haranguerer on November 14, 2011, 01:30:38 PM
Quote from: Orior on November 14, 2011, 11:29:34 AM
Stephen Kernan was soloing towards goal yesterday and did a sort Ronaldo feet shuffle to get past the last man. That was the first time I saw anything like that on the gaelic field. Unfortunately he ran out of space to get a shot in, but great skill from Stephen.
I hope you're not talking about the time he went on a solo ran, and then couldnt make up his mind what to do with the last man, went one way, fell the other, and was blew for overcarrying??!
Think that might be what he's talking about! It was a nice bit of skill to go round the man but then he just fell over himself
Quote from: haranguerer on November 14, 2011, 01:30:38 PM
Quote from: Orior on November 14, 2011, 11:29:34 AM
Stephen Kernan was soloing towards goal yesterday and did a sort Ronaldo feet shuffle to get past the last man. That was the first time I saw anything like that on the gaelic field. Unfortunately he ran out of space to get a shot in, but great skill from Stephen.
I hope you're not talking about the time he went on a solo ran, and then couldnt make up his mind what to do with the last man, went one way, fell the other, and was blew for overcarrying??!
Emm, yes, he needed one more step to make up his mind, lol
How was Paudie Hughes (from Crossmaglen) allowed to referee a game involving a potential opponent for his club in an Ulster final. The reason I'm asking is that he sent off the Burren captain which if he is suspended for the final would have a big bearing on the outcome of that match. I'm not suggesting that he did or didn't warrant a straight red but why the Ulster council would appoint Hughes for this match is poor foresight on their part.
Good question, but seeing some of the soft frees he gave to Burren yesterday, he might have been a bit more lenient on Roslea considering they would have been even less of a threat to Cross.
I think he done ok throughout the 60 minutes
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Quote from: imtommygunn on November 12, 2011, 02:31:26 PM
His reference point was Mickey Linden from years ago but Sean Kelly got quite a bit of treatment the last day too.
Maybe even before the throw-in too. Sean Kelly was knocked into once if not twice as Crossmaglen were running out through the St Gall's guard of honour. Maybe it was accidental. Bad form from Cross if not.
The "Guard of Honour" was so narrow that a player had just enough room to run out, deliberately so to intimidate. Backfired though.
Quote from: robbiegael on November 13, 2011, 03:09:57 PM
Cross players must be watching too much cross channel soccer - nice little bit of play acting to get the Ballinderry boy sent off. Shame that this diving is now part of our great game.
Can't believe how poor Ballinderry were in the first half - clueless!!
His first yellow should have been straight red, the second was also a strike and the rule says striking or attempting to strike.
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on November 13, 2011, 03:29:05 PM
Turning into a right game. Expect Cross to start throwing punchs if cross get within 2/3 points.
McKenna reacted like he'd been hit with a block hammer, poor form.
Collie Devlin could add a bit of guile to this Ballinderry team, I give it 5 minutes before he is took out of it.
Take the blinkers of spud.
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 15, 2011, 09:53:10 AM
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on November 12, 2011, 03:22:45 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 12, 2011, 02:31:26 PM
His reference point was Mickey Linden from years ago but Sean Kelly got quite a bit of treatment the last day too.
Maybe even before the throw-in too. Sean Kelly was knocked into once if not twice as Crossmaglen were running out through the St Gall's guard of honour. Maybe it was accidental. Bad form from Cross if not.
The "Guard of Honour" was so narrow that a player had just enough room to run out, deliberately so to intimidate. Backfired though.
Intimidating alright...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/15443023.stm
What's that about blinkers?
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 15, 2011, 09:58:14 AM
Quote from: robbiegael on November 13, 2011, 03:09:57 PM
Cross players must be watching too much cross channel soccer - nice little bit of play acting to get the Ballinderry boy sent off. Shame that this diving is now part of our great game.
Can't believe how poor Ballinderry were in the first half - clueless!!
His first yellow should have been straight red, the second was also a strike and the rule says striking or attempting to strike.
Don't talk shite. His first was a yellow, if even a yellow, nothing more.
Quote from: Mont on November 14, 2011, 10:23:20 AM
Over th hr cross were the better team. Shamrocks will have plenty of regrets about first half mind you.
Few pts
Mc kenn a went down easy but he was caught with a rabbit punch so it had to be a yellow
Why no straight red for kernan if he was caught punching?
The 2 managers were at it the whole game with sly shoulders into each other, think cross came of better in that as well
Cross physio got involved with a shamrocks player, few lads were looking across the fence to him!
Was sludden that bad that he deserved to get put on his arse after the game by the sub?
The cross machine rolls on. Nothing left in ulster to worry them
I have viewed both live and on TV AK's second yellow, there wasn't a punch that I could see but a high tackle as he tried to impede the overlap. Sludden was poor again, especially harsh on both teams when they field high ball only to be surrounded. Muldoon was different class second half, pity was Ballinderry had only one of him. Best team won. Harney's actions could have merited two reds as I said elswhere but to be honest common sense, and for this I would give Sludden credit, prevailed.
Quote from: yellowcard on November 14, 2011, 08:04:11 PM
How was Paudie Hughes (from Crossmaglen) allowed to referee a game involving a potential opponent for his club in an Ulster final. The reason I'm asking is that he sent off the Burren captain which if he is suspended for the final would have a big bearing on the outcome of that match. I'm not suggesting that he did or didn't warrant a straight red but why the Ulster council would appoint Hughes for this match is poor foresight on their part.
or a Tyrone man reffing a Tyrone club vs Cross? Catch a grip you can't question Paudie's integrity or Sludden's for that matter, with out evidence.
Watched it on Television, Harneys first offence, a yellow at most, his second a yellow but Mckenna should be ashamed of himself, the size of him lying down crying when he wasn't touched. If kernan was to be booked, it had to be red even it was at the low level of red.
Quote from: HIGH BALL CENTRE FIELD on November 15, 2011, 10:52:51 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 15, 2011, 09:58:14 AM
Quote from: robbiegael on November 13, 2011, 03:09:57 PM
Cross players must be watching too much cross channel soccer - nice little bit of play acting to get the Ballinderry boy sent off. Shame that this diving is now part of our great game.
Can't believe how poor Ballinderry were in the first half - clueless!!
His first yellow should have been straight red, the second was also a strike and the rule says striking or attempting to strike.
Don't talk shite. His first was a yellow, if even a yellow, nothing more.
I was at the game and watched the match on TG4, I think the yellow was a common sense decision but not in keeping with the rule, that said I think the ref got it right, we need more common sense. If Harney had displayed some he wouldn't have walked.
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on November 15, 2011, 10:03:47 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 15, 2011, 09:53:10 AM
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on November 12, 2011, 03:22:45 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 12, 2011, 02:31:26 PM
His reference point was Mickey Linden from years ago but Sean Kelly got quite a bit of treatment the last day too.
Maybe even before the throw-in too. Sean Kelly was knocked into once if not twice as Crossmaglen were running out through the St Gall's guard of honour. Maybe it was accidental. Bad form from Cross if not.
The "Guard of Honour" was so narrow that a player had just enough room to run out, deliberately so to intimidate. Backfired though.
Intimidating alright...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/15443023.stm
What's that about blinkers?
Look it was intended as gamesmanship in just the same way Cross did to St Gall's last year...nothing wrong with it, in fact I think it was clever.
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 15, 2011, 11:08:49 AM
Quote from: HIGH BALL CENTRE FIELD on November 15, 2011, 10:52:51 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 15, 2011, 09:58:14 AM
Quote from: robbiegael on November 13, 2011, 03:09:57 PM
Cross players must be watching too much cross channel soccer - nice little bit of play acting to get the Ballinderry boy sent off. Shame that this diving is now part of our great game.
Can't believe how poor Ballinderry were in the first half - clueless!!
His first yellow should have been straight red, the second was also a strike and the rule says striking or attempting to strike.
Don't talk shite. His first was a yellow, if even a yellow, nothing more.
I was at the game and watched the match on TG4, I think the yellow was a common sense decision but not in keeping with the rule, that said I think the ref got it right, we need more common sense. If Harney had displayed some he wouldn't have walked.
Indeed. There needs to be more common sense like in Rugby. Harney was fouled, the ref blew the whistle and the cross player continued to hold him. Nothing knew any team doing this sort of thing, but in rugby the instigators of these situations get punished not the fouled player. Harneys actions may have warranted a booking only in the fact that similar instances are punished the same way. But in my opinion this is a problem in gaelic football. Never in a million years would a rugby player be booked for doing what harney done, and their game is far better off for it. This lift your hand stuff is nonsense at times.
Quote from: HiMucker on November 15, 2011, 12:53:42 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 15, 2011, 11:08:49 AM
Quote from: HIGH BALL CENTRE FIELD on November 15, 2011, 10:52:51 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 15, 2011, 09:58:14 AM
Quote from: robbiegael on November 13, 2011, 03:09:57 PM
Cross players must be watching too much cross channel soccer - nice little bit of play acting to get the Ballinderry boy sent off. Shame that this diving is now part of our great game.
Can't believe how poor Ballinderry were in the first half - clueless!!
His first yellow should have been straight red, the second was also a strike and the rule says striking or attempting to strike.
Don't talk shite. His first was a yellow, if even a yellow, nothing more.
I was at the game and watched the match on TG4, I think the yellow was a common sense decision but not in keeping with the rule, that said I think the ref got it right, we need more common sense. If Harney had displayed some he wouldn't have walked.
Indeed. There needs to be more common sense like in Rugby. Harney was fouled, the ref blew the whistle and the cross player continued to hold him. Nothing knew any team doing this sort of thing, but in rugby the instigators of these situations get punished not the fouled player. Harneys actions may have warranted a booking only in the fact that similar instances are punished the same way. But in my opinion this is a problem in gaelic football. Never in a million years would a rugby player be booked for doing what harney done, and their game is far better off for it. This lift your hand stuff is nonsense at times.
Looking at the video, what I saw was that Harney was on his knees shielding the ball. McKenna had a wee kick/poke at the ball while it was between Harney's legs. There was minimal force and no direct contact with Harney that I could see. Harney seemed to take offence at that because he pointed to his groin area when remonstrating with the referee afterwards (at least I hope that's why he was pointing there). The referee also held up 3 fingers during the conversation. As I know Sludden is one of the few Tyrone men with more than 3 fingers on each hand, I presume he was indicating that Harney had transgressed a number of times as far as he was concerned (maybe even "ticks"?). It's a shame that the "black book" is not shown to a player when he is ticked anymore. If Harney had been ticked subsequent to his first yellow card then a second would be inevitable given what he did, even if it was minimal.
That would be my take on it HiMucker. Harney made a great catch, Mckenna punched him in the chest knocked him to the ground and then kicked him in the stones. harney reacted by throwing a loose arm which in my opinion didn't connect but by the laws of the game had to go but in the spirit of the game very unjust.
What annoyed me more were the actions of McKenna acting as if he had been shot and crying like a big womans blouse. I thought crossmaglen men were tougher than that.
Overthe post, you seem to know the rules quite well.[ are you a referee]. When does a referee decide on a tick or a yellow? The Crossmaglen Number 6 was ticked three times when he deliberately fouled a player preventing them from making progress in an attack. Could you explain please.
Quote from: FERDIE on November 15, 2011, 01:44:23 PM
Overthe post, you seem to know the rules quite well.[ are you a referee]. When does a referee decide on a tick or a yellow? The Crossmaglen Number 6 was ticked three times when he deliberately fouled a player preventing them from making progress in an attack. Could you explain please.
This guy should def have been sent of for persisting fouling. he made at least 3 personal fouls during the first half alone.
Quote from: FERDIE on November 15, 2011, 01:44:23 PM
Overthe post, you seem to know the rules quite well.[ are you a referee]. When does a referee decide on a tick or a yellow? The Crossmaglen Number 6 was ticked three times when he deliberately fouled a player preventing them from making progress in an attack. Could you explain please.
Not a referee. Just a pedantic fcuker who reads the rulebook before I go to bed at night :D
Haven't a clue about what merits a "tick" and how many equal a yellow. But then neither do most referees it seems ???
McKenna done what I would imagine most players on that pitch would have done if someone who is already booked takes a swing at them ten yards from the referee. At the end of the day McKenna had the perfect opportunity handed to him to put Ballinderry down to 14 men and he took it.
At the same time, he could well have been booked himself for the niggling that went on after the foul and the kick at the ball between Harney's legs but referee's rarely punish that kind of stuff, especially when a punch is threw straight after it.
On a separate note how the umpires, linesmen and referee missed Wilkinson getting punched on the back of the head when play had stopped after he had just got emptied over the line is a mystery. He was hit twice as hard as McKenna was although his theatrics might not have been in the same league perhaps explaining why the incident was overlooked/missed... ???
Have cross ever lost an Ulster final?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 15, 2011, 03:14:38 PM
No
Quote from: HiMucker on November 15, 2011, 02:33:51 PM
Have cross ever lost an Ulster final?
That's a nonsense stat, sure they haven't played in that many. It's like saying the Republic of Ireland have never lost a World Cup final...Ermmmm... ::)
I reckon the final will overawe them.
(although they've won as many as all the clubs in Tyrone and Down put together).
Quote from: screenmachine on November 15, 2011, 03:16:38 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 15, 2011, 03:14:38 PM
No
Quote from: HiMucker on November 15, 2011, 02:33:51 PM
Have cross ever lost an Ulster final?
That's a nonsense stat, sure they haven't played in that many. It's like saying the Republic of Ireland have never lost a World Cup final...Ermmmm... ::)
8 from 8 out on their own Burren have 5.
On a footnote-will Ballinderry or the individual concerned, expect to receive any punishment for the action towards the referee on his way off the pitch
Quote from: everymanaman on November 15, 2011, 04:20:37 PM
On a footnote-will Ballinderry or the individual concerned, expect to receive any punishment for the action towards the referee on his way off the pitch
I didn't see that at the game or on TG$ in the evening but it will depend on Martin Sludden, if he reports it I would think so. The Ulster Council are not like the County Boards they'll dish it out.
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 15, 2011, 04:15:51 PM
Quote from: screenmachine on November 15, 2011, 03:16:38 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 15, 2011, 03:14:38 PM
No
Quote from: HiMucker on November 15, 2011, 02:33:51 PM
Have cross ever lost an Ulster final?
That's a nonsense stat, sure they haven't played in that many. It's like saying the Republic of Ireland have never lost a World Cup final...Ermmmm... ::)
8 from 8 out on their own Burren have 5.
Has Bc1 hacked into your account? Or are you a Cross man?
Quote from: screenmachine on November 15, 2011, 03:16:38 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 15, 2011, 03:14:38 PM
No
Quote from: HiMucker on November 15, 2011, 02:33:51 PM
Have cross ever lost an Ulster final?
That's a nonsense stat, sure they haven't played in that many. It's like saying the Republic of Ireland have never lost a World Cup final...Ermmmm... ::)
Are u taking the piss u mad man? as has been said, it's 8 from 8, with the majority of the team winning 4 since 2006!
Oh dear God. Sarcasm is obviously not one of your strong points. To make things clear, Cross are probably the best club team to ever play the game. They are not, I repeat not, anything like the Republic of Ireland and their records in major finals. It was not a nonsense stat, it was a clear message that Cross don't really lose finals. Tune in hi...
aye, was a fantastic bit of sarcasm alright..
Obviously it doesn't seem that fantastic if you don't get it. I thought it was quite clear that I was being sarcastic but if you couldn't work it out I apologise for misleading you and you can refer back to my last post to see a full explanation...
Quote from: screenmachine on November 15, 2011, 08:01:23 PM
Obviously it doesn't seem that fantastic if you don't get it. I thought it was quite clear that I was being sarcastic but if you couldn't work it out I apologise for misleading you and you can refer back to my last post to see a full explanation...
I got it screen hence why I didn't comment on it, some people in stupid mode on here some times.
MR2 ;D
Aye I knew there'd be the odd wise oul head that would get my drift...
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 15, 2011, 08:05:05 PM
Quote from: screenmachine on November 15, 2011, 08:01:23 PM
Obviously it doesn't seem that fantastic if you don't get it. I thought it was quite clear that I was being sarcastic but if you couldn't work it out I apologise for misleading you and you can refer back to my last post to see a full explanation...
I got it screen hence why I didn't comment on it, some people in stupid mode on here some times.
MR2 ;D
That's why you never commented on my Armagh supporters getting behind Cross ;)
Quote from: screenmachine on November 15, 2011, 08:01:23 PM
Obviously it doesn't seem that fantastic if you don't get it. I thought it was quite clear that I was being sarcastic but if you couldn't work it out I apologise for misleading you and you can refer back to my last post to see a full explanation...
Must be American "I dont get this sarcasm, and I ronnie"
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2011, 05:59:48 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 15, 2011, 04:15:51 PM
Quote from: screenmachine on November 15, 2011, 03:16:38 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 15, 2011, 03:14:38 PM
No
Quote from: HiMucker on November 15, 2011, 02:33:51 PM
Have cross ever lost an Ulster final?
That's a nonsense stat, sure they haven't played in that many. It's like saying the Republic of Ireland have never lost a World Cup final...Ermmmm... ::)
8 from 8 out on their own Burren have 5.
Has Bc1 hacked into your account? Or are you a Cross man?
No I'm not from Cross but have long admired their style of football, unlike a lot of my fellow county men and fellow Ulstermen I do not go green at the gills with envy when they win. When Galls won Ulster I weighed in behind them and was glad to see them win the AI. For me it is my own Club first, County second and Club representatives third. I was there on Sunday to support Eire Og and Cross as Armagh representatives, just a pity Cullaville Blues weren't there as well. I enjoy the Ulster Club Championships every bit as much as the Inter County and at a £10er they are graet value especially given the quality of football which was suberb on Sunday from both Cross and the Shamrocks.
Quote from: screenmachine on November 15, 2011, 08:32:51 PM
Aye I knew there'd be the odd wise oul head that would get my drift...
Not the first time people haven't gotten your sense of humour you mug!!
Quote from: screenexile on November 16, 2011, 10:54:30 AM
Quote from: screenmachine on November 15, 2011, 08:32:51 PM
Aye I knew there'd be the odd wise oul head that would get my drift...
Not the first time people haven't gotten your sense of humour you mug!!
Not be the last either. It's not my issue if people can't appreciate a bit of light hearted humour...
http://www.antrimgaa.net/news/details/?id=3193
The following players are to attend a Senior Hurling Trial on Sunday 27th November 2012 (Sunday week) at 12 noon sharp in Casement Park.
Players are to be at the venue for 11.30am to commence a warm up at 11.45am
The Game will be played over 4 X 20min periods with 5 min rest between
Players are to bring water, a sports drink and playing gear.
I fancy latton to spring a surprise.
Any predictions for Sunday Lads.?
Quote from: crossfire on November 17, 2011, 07:30:23 PM
I fancy latton to spring a surprise.
Any predictions for Sunday Lads.?
I don't, Burren to win by 6 pulling up. Will the winners get a week off befor3 the final?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 17, 2011, 09:04:06 PM
Quote from: crossfire on November 17, 2011, 07:30:23 PM
I fancy latton to spring a surprise.
Any predictions for Sunday Lads.?
I don't, Burren to win by 6 pulling up. Will the winners get a week off befor3 the final?
No, final is 27/11. Where is this weeks semi at ?
QuoteNo, final is 27/11. Where is this weeks semi at ?
Athletic Grounds. A good venue for a Down/Monaghan clash and home of Ulster's largest stand.
has the final been fixed for casement or is it dependent on sundays result?
should be in casement either way
burren to canter home and set up a good final against cross.
burren man tells me he has never seen the team as focused.
good young team who could cause cross problems if the run at them
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on November 17, 2011, 09:05:21 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 17, 2011, 09:04:06 PM
Quote from: crossfire on November 17, 2011, 07:30:23 PM
I fancy latton to spring a surprise.
Any predictions for Sunday Lads.?
I don't, Burren to win by 6 pulling up. Will the winners get a week off before the final?
No, final is 27/11. Where is this weeks semi at ?
Well that's going to be difficult for the winners, with the hard physical game expected, and only a week to go, I'd say that strengthens Cross's grip on the title.
Quotehas the final been fixed for casement or is it dependent on sundays result?
should be in casement either way
Rumours that since the teams are fairly close together that they tossed for it. Cross won, so game will be in Athletic grounds. As the game is there this week, this won't wont entirely strange to Burren/Latton either.
(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/ccc8dcf861672c296089d78893e5debdbdbaa7d80fb4a8f33b622385acae34b35g.jpg)
Anyone else hear James McGovern's suspension was overturned last night?
Well is it true 5 Sams ?
Yes James is free to play on Sunday decision overturned . Can anyone tell me why Pauidie Hughes was allowed to referee that game last week with his own club still involved in the championship and could possibly meet the victors
Their odds of winning should be better now with him playing. Crossfire still fancy a shock?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 19, 2011, 10:07:20 PM
Their odds of winning should be better now with him playing. Crossfire still fancy a shock?
Yeah, I have them backed at 3/1.
Good man, crossfire, I've Burren backed at minus 2 along with Crokes. Seriously think they will win handy though. They have racked up big scores while Latton haven't score a wile lot in their games
Quote from: hardstation on November 19, 2011, 11:36:22 PM
I have a sneaking suspicion that Latton will win it.
Cross will eat and shite the pick of them though.
Yes Cross will surely win the final (more than likely All Ireland), but can't see Latton making an impression tomorrow. Weather predicted to be good and the pitches for November have been in some nick.
Burren are an excellent team and I have seen them a few times this year. Exceptionally fit and all comfortable on the ball and their work rate is very good. The things that go against them is that match their workrate and be physical with them and they falter a bit. Also they are vulnerable in the FB line. They are good footballers but as a unit they can be pulled around the place. If Latton can break even around the midfield area and stop McArdle and McKernan creating the platform for the forwards then it will be interesting. Also I hear that there are a lot of eyes looking at this jersey (http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/51388000/jpg/_51388500_kernan_282.jpg) instead of this one (http://www.gaeliclife.com/files/2011/10/Aidan-Farmer.jpg)
Confusing photo's!! Anyway if you were a betting man ;) Would you be betting Burren?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 20, 2011, 11:18:32 AM
Confusing photo's!! Anyway if you were a betting man ;) Would you be betting Burren?
I would keep my money in my pocket today. It won't be as easy as some think. No matter what the "Frankie" boy says Burren are red shit hot favourites to win. They will be seen as the hier apparents to Cross and actually see themselves as that. Latton will hit them with everything they have and try to turn it into a battle. If they succeed in that they will win, if not Burren will win.
Aye if the weather were to be shite and the pitch poor that would have been a fair tactic to employ against a much more mobile team.
As for Burren thinking they will take over as the Ulster favourites i doubt that very much after two years that Cross have put in.
I think after the dust settles burren should win by 3. Is it on radio?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 20, 2011, 12:25:14 PM
Aye if the weather were to be shite and the pitch poor that would have been a fair tactic to employ against a much more mobile team.
As for Burren thinking they will take over as the Ulster favourites i doubt that very much after two years that Cross have put in.
I think after the dust settles burren should win by 3. Is it on radio?
Are you that lazy you can't just google it :D Yes, according to google it is on 1341mw ;)
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 20, 2011, 12:32:21 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 20, 2011, 12:25:14 PM
Aye if the weather were to be shite and the pitch poor that would have been a fair tactic to employ against a much more mobile team.
As for Burren thinking they will take over as the Ulster favourites i doubt that very much after two years that Cross have put in.
I think after the dust settles burren should win by 3. Is it on radio?
Are you that lazy you can't just google it :D Yes, according to google it is on 1341mw ;)
Good man, off to gym for an hour then back and relax listen to the game and watch the other one.
1-2 for Burren and 0-4 for Latton. Tight enough game after 15 mins
Point in it to Burren, 6 wides for Latton so far in scoreable positions
half time. burren 1 up. 1-4 to 6
As previous posters have suggested I think Cross will piss over the pick of these 2 sides. The only danger to Cross retaining their AI is St Brigids (Dublin version). Cross are 2/9 to win Ulster, that tells you all you need to know.
Might not have been too far off with my thoughts? Big start to the second half vital. See Dr Crokes in trouble in Munster.
I would say Latton have been the more impressive in the first half. Owen Lennon had a great first half in midfield for Latton.
Dan McCartan not having a great day against Hugh McElroy. If McElroy had a bit more support Latton Burren would be in difficulty.
Burren don't seem to fussed on shooting from distance. They seem to try to take it into the 14 yard line every time.
The second half is hard to call. It's been a decent game so far. Could go to extra time
Aye BC1 I've picked this wrong, Dr Crokes on the way out. Very hard to be playing week in week out, and the Crokes have been very busy
looks like Crokes have pulled it off as they lead by 3 pts
Quote from: mayo51 on November 20, 2011, 03:25:16 PM
looks like Crokes have pulled it off as they lead by 3 pts
Some turn around
Burren stepping up to the task now, 5 in it to Burren now
Burren 1-10 Latton 0-11. Straight red for Owen McCartan, misses the final next week in Armagh.
I can't see Burren troubling Cross in the final. If they try to walk through the cross defence like they did today they'll meet a few walls.
Latton just didn't have it up front today. The game wasn't overly dirty but still ended up with two sendings off for burren. McCartan deserved to go for a high challenge. The referee blew the match up from the resulting free kick
Who do Crokes meet in the final? How did the UCC v Moyle game end up?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 20, 2011, 04:15:38 PM
Who do Crokes meet in the final? How did the UCC v Moyle game end up?
UCC beat them by a cricket score
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on November 20, 2011, 04:19:33 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 20, 2011, 04:15:38 PM
Who do Crokes meet in the final? How did the UCC v Moyle game end up?
UCC beat them by a cricket score
Aye just seen that 26 to 8!! some scoring alright be hard to beat
Well two of the crokes boys will be playing against their UCC teammates who they helped win the Cork county title.
Mc cartan will be a huge miss.
Latton missed a few in the first half but were just a bit light up front overall.
Deserved victory for burren.
Have watched them a few times this year and they shouldn't get within 3/4 pts of cross, regardless of what spin the south armagh ones try and put on it.
Cross clear favourites and will win.
Quote from: yellowcard on November 20, 2011, 03:55:16 PM
Burren 1-10 Latton 0-11. Straight red for Owen McCartan, misses the final next week in Armagh.
Eoin McCartan
Quote from: Zulu on November 20, 2011, 04:28:08 PM
Well two of the crokes boys will be playing against their UCC teammates who they helped win the Cork county title.
So what happens if Crokes lose? can the two lads play for UCC in the All Ireland games?
No, they've declared for Crokes so they are no ineligible for UCC in the All Ireland club championship.
brokercrossbar1,milltown row2 and yellowcard its time yous muppets had a look at last years game between cross and burren it will be tighter than you think
Quote from: weebob on November 20, 2011, 07:37:09 PM
brokercrossbar1,milltown row2 and yellowcard its time yous muppets had a look at last years game between cross and burren it will be tighter than you think
I think Burren will certainly give Cross a hard game but they have far too many injuries and with McCartan now suspended they will really find it a bridge too far. Cross by 5
BC1 is a muppet but don't label me one :D
If,as reported,next weeks final is in Armagh would this make Cross the first side to contest an Ulster Senior club final within their own county since Trillick ??
Got a god run for my tenner.
With a little more composure up front in the first half, Latton could have chalked up a good lead and gave themselves a reasonable chance of progressing.
Wasn't very impressed by Burren but every game is different and we will be prepared for a battle.
Going by todays performance Burren wont get within 6 points of Cross. Latton were a typical Monaghan team, very physical, get men behind the ball and are hard to break down. They lacked a real cuttin edge up front. Burren went 6 midway through the 2nd half and should have killed the game off but inexperience and wrong decision making let Latton back into the game and they nearly caught them at the end.
The way I see it Cross are better than last year with Clarke back and Burren are at least 4 short of last years team including Declan Rooney who when moved to midfield last year against Cross was instrumental in getting them back into the game. With a full deck out Burren would give Cross a run but its not going to happen this year.
Quote from: crossfire on November 20, 2011, 07:48:21 PM
Got a god run for my tenner.
With a little more composure up front in the first half, Latton could have chalked up a good lead and gave themselves a reasonable chance of progressing.
Wasn't very impressed by Burren but every game is different and we will be prepared for a battle.
At 6 up Burren did a Cross and let the team back in i think. Latton were poor in the shooting department. Had a couple of bets running, Burren minus 2 and Crokes minus 2. But did burren ht/ft and the portlaois game to be over 23.5 points. All good.
Burren were far more economical when shooting, keeping the ball till they were a lot closer. I feel the game will have taken too much out of them and with the injuries and suspensions that will stop them in the end.
They didn't win midfield and didn't score in the last 15 minutes. Keepers kicks to one dimensional. Cross by 5
Crossfire do you fancy a shock for this one?
Not really.
Quote from: weebob on November 20, 2011, 07:37:09 PM
brokercrossbar1,milltown row2 and yellowcard its time yous muppets had a look at last years game between cross and burren it will be tighter than you think
What the f**k are you on about? I called todays gae very tight and sad I thought Latton could cause a surprise. They nearly did and if they had taken a few oof their chances at the end of the first half things could have been a whole pile different. Next week is a different matter altogether and I thinnk Burren will be really up for the game. I don't know whether playing iin Armagh is a huge advantage. Travel wise its no different, familiarity wise it is. It is a hook to hang motivation on for Frankie boy though so any advantage could be negated. Max 2-3 win but could either way.
Quote from: MK on November 20, 2011, 07:41:29 PM
If,as reported,next weeks final is in Armagh would this make Cross the first side to contest an Ulster Senior club final within their own county since Trillick ??
An irony given the amount of County Championship finals they won on their own pitch.
If,as reported,next weeks final is in Armagh would this make Cross the first side to contest an Ulster Senior club final within their own county since Trillick ??
An irony given the amount of County Championship finals they won on their own pitch.
Ironic indeed- whereas Burren have contestested 4 Ulster Finals in Armagh(city) ,only losing once ???
Cross have made an art out of not looking great and doing enough to win over the years. Burren are young and fresh and that gives them a chance. Last year should stand to them where they sat back and admired Cross in the first 1/2 then nearly had them before Oisin with a cool head got them out of jail when Dan McCartan slipped last year. Stephen Kernan had a great first half last year and seemed to win every kickout. Aaron Kernan kick passing was as good as anything I have ever seen, at least Burren will know some of what to expect from Cross.
Quote from: weebob on November 20, 2011, 07:37:09 PM
brokercrossbar1,milltown row2 and yellowcard its time yous muppets had a look at last years game between cross and burren it will be tighter than you think
Are Paddy Powers and Boylesports and Ladbrokes all muppets as well then? Talk with sense lad, logically speaking Cross would beat Burren 8 times out of ten, thats not to say Burren haven't got a punchers chance if they play above themselves. However I think this could be a comfortable Cross victory.
You refer to last years game when Burren NEARLY beat Cross. Well Cross are a much improved team since then , and that allied to the fact that Burren are missing 3/4 regulars would justify Cross as being heavy favourites. The only danger is complacency.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 20, 2011, 08:04:21 PM
Quote from: weebob on November 20, 2011, 07:37:09 PM
brokercrossbar1,milltown row2 and yellowcard its time yous muppets had a look at last years game between cross and burren it will be tighter than you think
What the f**k are you on about? I called todays gae very tight and sad I thought Latton could cause a surprise. They nearly did and if they had taken a few oof their chances at the end of the first half things could have been a whole pile different. Next week is a different matter altogether and I thinnk Burren will be really up for the game. I don't know whether playing iin Armagh is a huge advantage. Travel wise its no different, familiarity wise it is. It is a hook to hang motivation on for Frankie boy though so any advantage could be negated. Max 2-3 win but could either way.
Ya Muppet ;D ;D
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 20, 2011, 08:33:15 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 20, 2011, 08:04:21 PM
Quote from: weebob on November 20, 2011, 07:37:09 PM
brokercrossbar1,milltown row2 and yellowcard its time yous muppets had a look at last years game between cross and burren it will be tighter than you think
What the f**k are you on about? I called todays gae very tight and sad I thought Latton could cause a surprise. They nearly did and if they had taken a few oof their chances at the end of the first half things could have been a whole pile different. Next week is a different matter altogether and I thinnk Burren will be really up for the game. I don't know whether playing iin Armagh is a huge advantage. Travel wise its no different, familiarity wise it is. It is a hook to hang motivation on for Frankie boy though so any advantage could be negated. Max 2-3 win but could either way.
Ya Muppet ;D ;D
The Mayo Muppet may feel like we're wiping his eye!
Ya called it BC1, I'd it to Burren by 5 but had they have taken their chances (Latton) in the first half then we don't know. Burren had a purple patch at the start of the second half and that won it for them.
I think we both got it sorta right
TBH Cross have already beaten the best in Ulster (Ballinderry,St Galls) would be a major shock if they don't beat Burren.
Burren are a real curates egg - only good in spots.
Today, as against Roslea, they created several goal chances but missed most of them. They start each half at 100mph.
Can they cause Cross problems? Probably, but they're going to have to convert more of those goal chances.
Is it a double header with Derrytresk/Cremartin?
Quote from: ONeill on November 20, 2011, 10:27:32 PM
Is it a double header with Derrytresk/Cremartin?
Derrytresk on before Cross and Burren.
Come on the Hilll !
Junior Final 1 30
Senior Final 3 15 both in Morgan Athletic Grounds
If Burren are searching for a "internet warrior writing us off" soundbite to pin up on the dressing room wall , then may I point them in the direction of Cross Gael on www.armaghgaa.net? (not that I actually believe serious managers use such silly tactics)
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I've seen Burren twice recently, today against Latton (who couldn't score on a dartboard) and against Clonduff. Both times they played a fast hand passing game.... but thats it. They have no midfield, no
one who can kick the ball any distance with any accuracy. On a good day Cross will crucify them and on a bad day should win easily.I can't wait to send them Down fans down the road from Armagh with
their tails behind their legs. Lets see all the Armagh fans there in force to say goodbye to Burren. Roll on Sunday next agus Na Raonaithne abu.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on November 20, 2011, 10:49:40 PM
If Burren are searching for a "internet warrior writing us off" soundbite to pin up on the dressing room wall , then may I point them in the direction of Cross Gael on www.armaghgaa.net? (not that I actually believe serious managers use such silly tactics)
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I've seen Burren twice recently, today against Latton (who couldn't score on a dartboard) and against Clonduff. Both times they played a fast hand passing game.... but thats it. They have no midfield, no
one who can kick the ball any distance with any accuracy. On a good day Cross will crucify them and on a bad day should win easily.I can't wait to send them Down fans down the road from Armagh with
their tails behind their legs. Lets see all the Armagh fans there in force to say goodbye to Burren. Roll on Sunday next agus Na Raonaithne abu.
Ya get that shite all the time. Some dick on the net spoofing shite ;D Claiming this and that :D
Any manager that uses that needs locked up
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on November 20, 2011, 10:49:40 PM
If Burren are searching for a "internet warrior writing us off" soundbite to pin up on the dressing room wall , then may I point them in the direction of Cross Gael on www.armaghgaa.net? (not that I actually believe serious managers use such silly tactics)
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I've seen Burren twice recently, today against Latton (who couldn't score on a dartboard) and against Clonduff. Both times they played a fast hand passing game.... but thats it. They have no midfield, no
one who can kick the ball any distance with any accuracy. On a good day Cross will crucify them and on a bad day should win easily.I can't wait to send them Down fans down the road from Armagh with
their tails behind their legs. Lets see all the Armagh fans there in force to say goodbye to Burren. Roll on Sunday next agus Na Raonaithne abu.
I have to admit even though I'm from Armagh I'm largely indifferent as to whether Cross progress in the All Ireland series or not, however this is one game I really hope they win. It boils down to the whole Armagh/Down rivalry and I know a lot of people who are of similar mind. In any case I think they are a cut above Burren who I think would have been beaten by either St Galls or Ballinderry. Burren had an easy draw to the final and will meet the immovable force of Cross next week. Cross by 7.
Won't be that much Yellowcard. Burren will get a spell but it won't be as much as Cross. 4/5 points. Bookies will be saying, minus 4 for Cross. Its a tempting bet
I will be supporting Burren in the Final as a Down man but they aren't going to beat Cross. This Burren team still needs a few more years of evolution before it will be able to lay claim to an Ulster title. There is definitely one in the pipeline but it wont be this year.
Burren have a great chance if they can learn from Ballinderry's mistakes, and as importantly, if they are properly recovered in a week.
Martin Higgins is the referee i see.
Cross will be hard to beat, but Burren will not before away. Cross's to lose though. Cross by 3.
If it's a good day (and the longe range looks decent) I think Cross could win fairly handily, 7+.
Sure Burren are only a crowd of young lads. The average age of the team is 22.
The few players that they have with a bit of steel and size are out injured so it should be plain sailing for Cross.
They will just out muscle Burren.
As some bloke said about another code "you cant win anything with kids". :P
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 21, 2011, 12:43:48 AM
I will be supporting Burren in the Final as a Down man but they aren't going to beat Cross. This Burren team still needs a few more years of evolution before it will be able to lay claim to an Ulster title. There is definitely one in the pipeline but it wont be this year.
Plus one.
Burren are good. Cross are very good.
Quote from: hardstation on November 21, 2011, 01:19:55 PM
Quote from: FermGael on November 21, 2011, 01:17:19 PM
Martin Higgins is the referee i see.
Oh fer fcuk sake...
Oh fer fcuk sake... you're always giving aff about the choice of ref!
What is the average age of the Crossmaglen team? Pretty young side aswell.
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 22, 2011, 08:35:09 AM
What is the average age of the Crossmaglen team? Pretty young side aswell.
Of the team that started against Ballinderry it is 25, if you replace Skinny and Oisin with Paul Kernan and Franny Hanratty it is 24 with Hearty being the only one over 30. Not exactly an old team either and the subs bench is very young with a lot of 19-20 year olds on it.
Betting on Paddy Power
Cross 1/3
Draw 15/2
Burren 3/1
Cross -2 at 4/5 looks a decent bet
Quote from: el_cuervo_fc on November 22, 2011, 10:23:01 AM
Betting on Paddy Power
Cross 1/3
Draw 15/2
Burren 3/1
Cross -2 at 4/5 looks a decent bet
Lump on, absolute certainty.
3/1 for burren is great price, this game will be alot closer than many think.
Quote from: bridgegael on November 22, 2011, 12:50:29 PM
3/1 for burren is great price, this game will be alot closer than many think.
I agree. Burren to win by between 4-6 points is 14/1. A great bet.
When's the last time Coss were beat by 4-6 points?
Quote from: fitzroyalty on November 22, 2011, 01:31:08 PM
When's the last time Coss were beat by 4-6 points?
St Vincent's 2-09 Crossmaglen 0-11. Sunday, 24 February 2008
?
I see. I don't think Burren would be capable of it. Not in a final, and certainly not in the MAGs.
Quote from: yellowcard on November 22, 2011, 12:27:28 PM
Quote from: el_cuervo_fc on November 22, 2011, 10:23:01 AM
Betting on Paddy Power
Cross 1/3
Draw 15/2
Burren 3/1
Cross -2 at 4/5 looks a decent bet
Lump on, absolute certainty.
I may put on my winnings i got over the weekend on that. That's good value.
I stated in posts early on (Before Cross beat us) that Burren would give them the hardest game. But with injuries and the suspension to McCartan i think Cross will have enough to win by 4 points. That is even taking in the fact that Burren will get a foot hold in the game at some point (start of each half) but ultimately they will come out on top
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 22, 2011, 06:37:50 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 22, 2011, 12:27:28 PM
Quote from: el_cuervo_fc on November 22, 2011, 10:23:01 AM
Betting on Paddy Power
Cross 1/3
Draw 15/2
Burren 3/1
Cross -2 at 4/5 looks a decent bet
Lump on, absolute certainty.
I may put on my winnings i got over the weekend on that. That's good value.
I stated in posts early on (Before Cross beat us) that Burren would give them the hardest game. But with injuries and the suspension to McCartan i think Cross will have enough to win by 4 points. That is even taking in the fact that Burren will get a foot hold in the game at some point (start of each half) but ultimately they will come out on top
Wheel may have taken a turn last night.
Come on cryptic meg, what's wrong now? ;)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 22, 2011, 06:58:25 PM
Come on cryptic meg, what's wrong now? ;)
Just that the odds might change by tomorrow. I wasn't there but something happened last night that probably will be in tomorrows paper.
Well i may get on it now then, 20 quid. Might even head to club to watch it over a few beers
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 22, 2011, 07:02:45 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 22, 2011, 06:58:25 PM
Come on cryptic meg, what's wrong now? ;)
Just that the odds might change by tomorrow. I wasn't there but something happened last night that probably will be in tomorrows paper.
Ah sure something always happens. The papers always find a story.
I hope you're not building our hopes up of some fascinating intrigue.
Quote from: Orior on November 22, 2011, 08:26:50 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 22, 2011, 07:02:45 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 22, 2011, 06:58:25 PM
Come on cryptic meg, what's wrong now? ;)
Just that the odds might change by tomorrow. I wasn't there but something happened last night that probably will be in tomorrows paper.
Ah sure something always happens. The papers always find a story.
I hope you're not building our hopes up of some fascinating intrigue.
If i could be arsed looking back on this thread to last year or two you will have seen a similar post to the one he has posted. If City win tonight I'm putting the winnings on it.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 22, 2011, 08:30:15 PM
Quote from: Orior on November 22, 2011, 08:26:50 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 22, 2011, 07:02:45 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 22, 2011, 06:58:25 PM
Come on cryptic meg, what's wrong now? ;)
Just that the odds might change by tomorrow. I wasn't there but something happened last night that probably will be in tomorrows paper.
Ah sure something always happens. The papers always find a story.
I hope you're not building our hopes up of some fascinating intrigue.
If i could be arsed looking back on this thread to last year or two you will have seen a similar post to the one he has posted. If City win tonight I'm putting the winnings on it.
At least you won't lose anymore!!!!!
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 22, 2011, 10:02:37 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 22, 2011, 08:30:15 PM
Quote from: Orior on November 22, 2011, 08:26:50 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 22, 2011, 07:02:45 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 22, 2011, 06:58:25 PM
Come on cryptic meg, what's wrong now? ;)
Just that the odds might change by tomorrow. I wasn't there but something happened last night that probably will be in tomorrows paper.
Ah sure something always happens. The papers always find a story.
I hope you're not building our hopes up of some fascinating intrigue.
If i could be arsed looking back on this thread to last year or two you will have seen a similar post to the one he has posted. If City win tonight I'm putting the winnings on it.
At least you won't lose anymore!!!!!
Will have to just plough on with it anyways.
Burren will just have to concentrate on next year. They may even get to play Cross in the first round next year!! Were we to win Antrim, the draw be more pleasing to us ;D
Long time lurker, first time poster.
I think alot of people are definitely underestimating Burren.
Id say that this is the game they have been wanting to get since they lost out last year to cross.
Id be surprised if they sit back this time and admire cross for the first 30mins like they did last year.
Yes they might be weakened with suspensions and injuries but still dont think this one will pan out as some people think.
Cross are an excellent side, dont get me wrong, but if im honest i see Burren taking them this time round to make amends for 12 months previous.
On the game last sunday, i was impressed with Latton's sheer guts and spirit. They never gave up and kept plugging away, a very honest, hard-working effort from the Monaghan men. Lennon was a colossus in the middle of the field and had no equal, only for their shooting they would have perhaps taken Burren. Burren did what they had to when it mattered and would be happy enough to stutter unconvincingly into an ulster final and be labelled as underdogs.
Totally unrelated i know, but was wondering could anyone clear this one up. Was entering the ground at Armagh on sunday and seen Michael McGill the former Down player, he had a Burren tracksuit on. Was he not a Warrenpoint player previously, or was he their manager or what. Is he involved with the Burren team or whats the connection there. Settle a dispute amongst friends.
all his kids go to burren school. he's manager of burren u12's . and your not a bit soft he did play for warrenpoint when he was a young fella , there would be a couple of point men would see that as a sore point but it keeps up the rivalry . Are you happy enough
Quote from: The Diarrhoa Divil on November 22, 2011, 10:52:56 PM
Long time lurker, first time poster.
I think alot of people are definitely underestimating Burren.
Id say that this is the game they have been wanting to get since they lost out last year to cross.
Id be surprised if they sit back this time and admire cross for the first 30mins like they did last year.
Yes they might be weakened with suspensions and injuries but still dont think this one will pan out as some people think.
Cross are an excellent side, dont get me wrong, but if im honest i see Burren taking them this time round to make amends for 12 months previous.
On the game last sunday, i was impressed with Latton's sheer guts and spirit. They never gave up and kept plugging away, a very honest, hard-working effort from the Monaghan men. Lennon was a colossus in the middle of the field and had no equal, only for their shooting they would have perhaps taken Burren. Burren did what they had to when it mattered and would be happy enough to stutter unconvincingly into an ulster final and be labelled as underdogs.
Totally unrelated i know, but was wondering could anyone clear this one up. Was entering the ground at Armagh on sunday and seen Michael McGill the former Down player, he had a Burren tracksuit on. Was he not a Warrenpoint player previously, or was he their manager or what. Is he involved with the Burren team or whats the connection there. Settle a dispute amongst friends.
He has pulled into the caravan site beside the McCartans.
There's always one asshole.
QuoteAh sure something always happens. The papers always find a story.
Is there a story?
QuoteThere's always one asshole.
Medical student, are we?
Quote from: weebob on November 23, 2011, 07:26:57 AM
There's always one asshole.
Where's your sense of humour, the caravan quip was funny. :D
f**k!!!!!! >:(
Quotef**k!!!!!!
Is that a legal expression?
Quote from: armaghniac on November 23, 2011, 09:55:43 AM
Quotef**k!!!!!!
Is that a legal expression?
Yes under current circumstances, it is called justifiable for f**k sakedness!!!
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 23, 2011, 10:02:13 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 23, 2011, 09:55:43 AM
Quotef**k!!!!!!
Is that a legal expression?
Yes under current circumstances, it is called justifiable for f**k sakedness!!!
Has her indoors stopped you from heading to match on Sunday?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 23, 2011, 01:27:07 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 23, 2011, 10:02:13 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 23, 2011, 09:55:43 AM
Quotef**k!!!!!!
Is that a legal expression?
Yes under current circumstances, it is called justifiable for f**k sakedness!!!
Has her indoors stopped you from heading to match on Sunday?
I could live with that now knowing what I know.
Magill is a close relative of the McGoverns from Burren.
Also, people are making too big of a deal about Eoin McCartan being suspended. Eoin's injury worries have been well documented, he was hardly gonna play a full game against Cross anyway. He would have been a brilliant impact sub to bring on though.
QuoteI could live with that now knowing what I know.
So what's the story? Did the whole team get a rank feed? Did John Mc come and take all the Kernans off to play for Culloville? Have Barcelona signed Jamie Clark? Did Paul Hearty hit his head on the crossbar?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 23, 2011, 01:47:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 23, 2011, 01:27:07 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 23, 2011, 10:02:13 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 23, 2011, 09:55:43 AM
Quotef**k!!!!!!
Is that a legal expression?
Yes under current circumstances, it is called justifiable for f**k sakedness!!!
Has her indoors stopped you from heading to match on Sunday?
I could live with that now knowing what I know.
Ach for frig sakes would ya wise up ya bollux! Either tell us or hold your whist!
Quote from: armaghniac on November 23, 2011, 02:30:16 PM
QuoteI could live with that now knowing what I know.
So what's the story? Did the whole team get a rank feed? Did John Mc come and take all the Kernans off to play for Culloville? Have Barcelona signed Jamie Clark? Did Paul Hearty hit his head on the crossbar?
As Monty Brewster would say, 'none of the above'. All I will say is my confidence now is different to what it was at the start of the week.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 23, 2011, 02:42:47 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 23, 2011, 02:30:16 PM
QuoteI could live with that now knowing what I know.
So what's the story? Did the whole team get a rank feed? Did John Mc come and take all the Kernans off to play for Culloville? Have Barcelona signed Jamie Clark? Did Paul Hearty hit his head on the crossbar?
As Monty Brewster would say, 'none of the above'. All I will say is my confidence now is different to what it was at the start of the week.
Wind up
I wonder why the Ulster Council didn't fix this game for the marshes!
Would have been pretty handy for both clubs, would it not?
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There's always one asshole.
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Welcome back ClownJim, or is it Small Knob? Whoever, its another touchy paranoid Burren resident traveller.
Quote from: johnneycool on November 23, 2011, 05:37:13 PM
I wonder why the Ulster Council didn't fix this game for the marshes!
Would have been pretty handy for both clubs, would it not?
There was a toss up between the teams, if Burren won it would be in Newry, if Cross won(which they did) it was to be played in Armagh. Joined up thinking by the 2 clubs and a sensible decision all round.
That would suggest a Jamie sized f**k there bcb?
Quote from: bennydorano on November 23, 2011, 07:23:57 PM
That would suggest a Jamie sized f**k there bcb?
No, will know more tonight after training. Jamie is playing ok at the minute but is not the key man.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 23, 2011, 07:39:58 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on November 23, 2011, 07:23:57 PM
That would suggest a Jamie sized f**k there bcb?
No, will know more tonight after training. Jamie is playing ok at the minute but is not the key man.
Aaron Kernan or McKenna in midfield. More likely a BS rumour knowing it would get back to Burren.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 23, 2011, 07:39:58 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on November 23, 2011, 07:23:57 PM
That would suggest a Jamie sized f**k there bcb?
No, will know more tonight after training. Jamie is playing ok at the minute but is not the key man.
The predicted cut in odds happened anyway. Ladbrokes cut Cross from 2/5 to 1/3 for the 60 minute betting.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 23, 2011, 06:08:01 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on November 23, 2011, 05:37:13 PM
I wonder why the Ulster Council didn't fix this game for the marshes!
Would have been pretty handy for both clubs, would it not?
There was a toss up between the teams, if Burren won it would be in Newry, if Cross won(which they did) it was to be played in Armagh. Joined up thinking by the 2 clubs and a sensible decision all round.
Definitely a sensible decision. The alternative would have been Clones or Omagh meaning a lot of inconvenience for supporters. If its a good day I can see a big crowd at this one, possibly round 10,000.
No big surprise in the drop of odds, I hope the wife doesn't check the bank till Monday ;)
Quote from: Winnie Peg on November 22, 2011, 11:18:57 PM
He has pulled into the caravan site beside the McCartans.
LOL
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 23, 2011, 10:20:13 PM
No big surprise in the drop of odds, I hope the wife doesn't check the bank till Monday ;)
In the same boat only I've tanked Cross on the handicap -2pts.
QuoteThe alternative would have been Clones or Omagh meaning a lot of inconvenience for supporters
They could have played it in Cross', room for 10,000 there.
BC1 i know all about what your talking about...heard it on Sunday myself but don't know how Tony Mac has approached it from then to now??? If he bends the rules to suit he'll not be there next year ;)
P.S. i think i'll have a piece of 3/1 for Burren or prob the +3pts for 1/1 which is def a cracker bet...
All the talk of reasons to doubt Cross's favourite tag and rumours of problems is a childs way of inticing Burren into a false hope. Great Imaginations in the province.
Burren will give Cross a real battle and I have an inkling thery might nick it
I don't think you hear any Cross people making this anything other than a 2-3 point game either way. Burren are a serious outfit and are very confident of winning, and why not be confident? Of course we are favourites but that is logical as well, doesn't mean that when the ball is thrown in that things won't change. The team that makes the best start and sticks to their own game plan as much as possible for as long as possible will win this game.
What is all this wink wink cryptic stuff? Has there been a fall out in Cross?
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 24, 2011, 11:26:23 AM
What is all this wink wink cryptic stuff? Has there been a fall out in Cross?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ona-RhLfRfc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ona-RhLfRfc)
It will be a never say die battle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eMkth8FWno
but in the end its only a game, it could be worse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlBiLNN1NhQ
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 24, 2011, 11:38:43 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 24, 2011, 11:26:23 AM
What is all this wink wink cryptic stuff? Has there been a fall out in Cross?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ona-RhLfRfc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ona-RhLfRfc)
Ahh right John Cleese is lining out at midflield...I must be thick but I'm still lost.
Even if Francie Bellew was playing in midfield on Sunday it would make no difference to the scoreline.
A bit of reading ...
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/1125/1224308109021.html
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/kernan-relishing-chance-to-have-final-say-for-crossmaglen-16081955.html
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/ulster-club-championship-inform-clarke-sure-to-test-burren-16082541.html
Any Others ?
The match is not showing on TnaG, expect a big crowd at this one. Any word of the teams yet?
did anyone hear that one of cross leading lights was partying in Belfast last week and has presented tony mac with a big problem about whether to play him or not......
....or is it just a vicious rumour 8)
Quote from: time ticking away on November 25, 2011, 05:51:21 PM
did anyone hear that one of cross leading lights was partying in Belfast last week and has presented tony mac with a big problem about whether to play him or not......
....or is it just a vicious rumour 8)
I heard Francie was in the Bot alright. I don't think he was for starting anyway. Injured.
ah no odds then. They must have some team if Francie isn't starting
Quote from: time ticking away on November 25, 2011, 06:08:46 PM
ah no odds then. They must have some team if Francie isn't starting
aye they say they've a right outfit.
Francie will make an appearance at some stage I'd say
They might bring him on to mark Shorty Treanor
Quote from: time ticking away on November 25, 2011, 06:47:46 PM
They might bring him on to mark Shorty Treanor
Dawson will be too cute to leave Francie on Shorty.
I heard Conor Murdock was calling the shots at Burren
It's a amazing to think the last time Burren appeared in the Ulster final Crossmaglen had zero Ulster titles to their name.
is this one on tg4 ?
Quote from: maddog on November 26, 2011, 04:57:21 PM
is this one on tg4 ?
Nope, Munster Hurling Final, some womens thing and Leinster Hurling are on.
Looking forward to the game tomorrow. Hope the traffic is better managed than last week and Burren to win, as the song goes 'perfect day'.
Good Luck to Crossmaglen
When Oisin got the last point in the Ballinderry game there was a loud cheer from people who had bet on Cross' -3!
Quote from: armaghniac on November 26, 2011, 09:30:32 PM
When Oisin got the last point in the Ballinderry game there was a loud cheer from people who had bet on Cross' -3!
Won't happen tomorrow
I'll be taking the 2/1 on offer for Cross -5
Burren's handy route to the final will do them no favours tomor
Good luck to both clubs tomorrow-especially St. Marys ;)
Has anyone played for both clubs ?Anthony Cunningham ??
Quote from: MK on November 26, 2011, 09:35:45 PM
Good luck to both clubs tomorrow-especially St. Marys ;)
Has anyone played for both clubs ?Anthony Cunningham ??
I'd say he's the only one. Young O Hare is nearly a Cross man though ;)
(http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab56/declanrice/214.jpg)
The Cartwheel - Oidhche 'marach.
All the best to Burren today A big ask but you never know what could happen on the day all the best
Great day for football. The pundits are saying Cross but I think are boys have the ability and belief, time for a changing of the guard!!!!!
AR AGAIDGH LE CHEILE!!!!!
AN BOIREANN ABU!!!!
Cross to win easily. This is possibly the best club team EVER. Cross by 5+
Quote from: yellowcard on November 27, 2011, 11:43:17 AM
Cross to win easily. This is possibly the best club team EVER. Cross by 5+
Jaysus man catch yourself on will ye ::)
it will be a war of a game today, :o but cross seem to hold more aces ;)
Are TG4 showing the game today?
Is it on the radio anywhere? What time does it start?
1341 mw ulster radio I expect. 3.15pm odd time
can anyone type in the web address of have a steam to the radio link.. i cant get it at all
Quote from: downtown on November 27, 2011, 03:17:43 PM
can anyone type in the web address of have a steam to the radio link.. i cant get it at all
Ya wont get mw on the web i don't think
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8437990.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8437990.stm)
Quote from: downtown on November 27, 2011, 03:17:43 PM
can anyone type in the web address of have a steam to the radio link.. i cant get it at all
I couldnt get it at all either, even tho I know there isnt usually any issue - then I realised the laptop was interfering with the reception, moved the radio away a bit and getting it grand - perhaps same for you? (round abouts 900mw for me)
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on November 27, 2011, 03:22:03 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8437990.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8437990.stm)
Perfect Carmen
A tanking on the cards?
4-0 up after 10 minutes
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 27, 2011, 03:26:04 PM
A tanking on the cards?
4-0 up after 10 minutes
They have been getting off to great starts in all their games
Burren down to 14!!
Beat outta the gate already
Game over.
:D Nobody seen nothing only the linesman!
cheers lads
Aye, ok that's the Ulster Championship over. Ulster meets Munster this year. Crokes or UCC to play Cross
I think Cross will win that game handy also
1-5
0-2
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 27, 2011, 03:35:23 PM
Aye, ok that's the Ulster Championship over. Ulster meets Munster this year. Crokes or UCC to play Cross
I think Cross will win that game handy also
Don't know why anybody else bothers playing in Club championships any more ::)
1-5 Crossmaglen
0-3 Burren
Quote from: Rossfan on November 27, 2011, 03:38:22 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 27, 2011, 03:35:23 PM
Aye, ok that's the Ulster Championship over. Ulster meets Munster this year. Crokes or UCC to play Cross
I think Cross will win that game handy also
Don't know why anybody else bothers playing in Club championships any more ::)
Your right, and your lucky they are meeting the Munster Champions otherwise your lot wouldn't get their day at Croke ::)
1-7 Cross
0-4 Burren
Cross currently 1/66 to win the match :o
Cross have let Burren stay in it with some poor shooting.
How yeh Austin - your obv reading!
Half Time
1-7
0-5
Straight Red 4 1 Burren
Yellow 4 James Morgan
Ballinderry played better when they got a man sent off v Cross so who knows?
1-8 Crossmaglen
0-7 Burren
1-8 Crossmaglen
0-8 Burren
1-10 Cross
0-8 Burren
Long left ?
4 plus injury
Money safe now, will put it back in bank before she notices
People have posted here before about how bad Armagh football is. Cross have now won the last 5 Ulster Championships they have entered so the Ulster football must be bad too going by that way of thinking.
Great 4 Cross!! At least theres 1 Ulster going back 2 the parish
Is she over then?
FT score? 9 Ulster titles from 9 finals is a fine record.
Quote from: ogshead on November 27, 2011, 04:30:54 PM
People have posted here before about how bad Armagh football is. Cross have now won the last 5 Ulster Championships they have entered so the Ulster football must be bad too going by that way of thinking.
Yes but would it be better for Armagh football if there were more teams in Armagh winning the county Championship and then proving themselves in Ulster and beyond?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 27, 2011, 04:35:03 PM
Quote from: ogshead on November 27, 2011, 04:30:54 PM
People have posted here before about how bad Armagh football is. Cross have now won the last 5 Ulster Championships they have entered so the Ulster football must be bad too going by that way of thinking.
Yes but would it be better for Armagh football if there were more teams in Armagh winning the county Championship and then proving themselves in Ulster and beyond?
Why? As Jarlath Burns says, Pearse Og are probably the second best team in Ireland.
Quote from: Etienne Lantier on November 27, 2011, 04:46:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 27, 2011, 04:35:03 PM
Quote from: ogshead on November 27, 2011, 04:30:54 PM
People have posted here before about how bad Armagh football is. Cross have now won the last 5 Ulster Championships they have entered so the Ulster football must be bad too going by that way of thinking.
Yes but would it be better for Armagh football if there were more teams in Armagh winning the county Championship and then proving themselves in Ulster and beyond?
Why? As Jarlath Burns says, Pearse Og are probably the second best team in Ireland.
Well that's shite talk in fairness
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 27, 2011, 04:50:12 PM
Quote from: Etienne Lantier on November 27, 2011, 04:46:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 27, 2011, 04:35:03 PM
Quote from: ogshead on November 27, 2011, 04:30:54 PM
People have posted here before about how bad Armagh football is. Cross have now won the last 5 Ulster Championships they have entered so the Ulster football must be bad too going by that way of thinking.
Yes but would it be better for Armagh football if there were more teams in Armagh winning the county Championship and then proving themselves in Ulster and beyond?
Why? As Jarlath Burns says, Pearse Og are probably the second best team in Ireland.
Well that's shite talk in fairness
Well they're kicking everyone else's arse and only beat us by four. I'm sure it was a tongue in cheek comment he made but nobody else is getting close to them
Quote from: ogshead on November 27, 2011, 04:54:35 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 27, 2011, 04:50:12 PM
Quote from: Etienne Lantier on November 27, 2011, 04:46:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 27, 2011, 04:35:03 PM
Quote from: ogshead on November 27, 2011, 04:30:54 PM
People have posted here before about how bad Armagh football is. Cross have now won the last 5 Ulster Championships they have entered so the Ulster football must be bad too going by that way of thinking.
Yes but would it be better for Armagh football if there were more teams in Armagh winning the county Championship and then proving themselves in Ulster and beyond?
Why? As Jarlath Burns says, Pearse Og are probably the second best team in Ireland.
Well that's shite talk in fairness
Well they're kicking everyone else's arse and only beat us by four. I'm sure it was a tongue in cheek comment he made but nobody else is getting close to them
Have to agree with ogshead, I've said it before, just because Cross are the best in the country doesn't automatically make the Armagh SFC shite. I reckon Ogs and Dromintee could have won Ulster in the last decade had it not been for Cross' dominance. The bar for the Armagh SFC is arguably raised higher than any other county in Ulster.
Edit: Congrats to Cross on
another title. I blame Mullabawn.
Left nearly 15 mins early after watching both games today, game was over when it was 4-0 and burren got man sent off. Congrates to cross
Down football is brutal, sicken ya's!!
Burren lucky to get out only beaten by 7. I'd be very interested to hear Cross' wide count must have been near 15. Sending off didn't help Burren but it was looking very ominous before yer man got the line. Referee tried his best to get Burren back into the game by giving a succession of ridiculously soft frees at the start of the 2nd half, think he caught himself on a bit after hearing the laughter form the stands.
thought young James Morgan in corner back was MOTM, closely followed by Aaron cunningham and Jamie Clarke showed flashes of genius throughout.
Judging by his performance today I assume David McKenna was the injury doubt BCB was acting the candyman about all week/ either that or he's shocking inconsistent.
2-11 to 0-10 right folks?? ;D get on Cross to be lifting more silverware on 17 March!
Such a disappointment today, that game.
Cross are a superbly well oiled machine, and bar a handful of poor wides, didn't make or execute a bad decision between them all day. Their speed, mastery of the basics, and willingness to put the team first, is simply phenomenal. I'd even say unrivalled at any level of the sport.
There is a cynical aspect to the way they cut of attacks at source through deliberate fouls, but like the great Kerry teams, they do it with such style and accuracy, you'd hardly notice.
Burren were poor. The injuries and suspensions cost them dearly in that so many of their first XV froze today, with the right personnel on the bench, Dawson would have used all his subs within the first 20 mins. They also ran out of steam after giving it a decent lag after the break. Their handling was atrocious in the first half; the kind of thing that suggest a team distracted by events rather than focused on their game.
Sludden was a joke. Too interested in making decisions instead of letting football take place.
Best players on show, for me, were McKeown and O Callaghan, though the class of Cross's Armagh contingent played a huge factor in the game.
Well done Cross. Worthy champions.
Death , taxes and Crossmaglen Rangers !!
Quote from: thewobbler on November 27, 2011, 06:01:42 PM
Such a disappointment today, that game.
Cross are a superbly well oiled machine, and bar a handful of poor wides, didn't make or execute a bad decision between them all day. Their speed, mastery of the basics, and willingness to put the team first, is simply phenomenal. I'd even say unrivalled at any level of the sport.
There is a cynical aspect to the way they cut of attacks at source through deliberate fouls, but like the great Kerry teams, they do it with such style and accuracy, you'd hardly notice.
Burren were poor. The injuries and suspensions cost them dearly in that so many of their first XV froze today, with the right personnel on the bench, Dawson would have used all his subs within the first 20 mins. They also ran out of steam after giving it a decent lag after the break. Their handling was atrocious in the first half; the kind of thing that suggest a team distracted by events rather than focused on their game.
Sludden was a joke. Too interested in making decisions instead of letting football take place.
Best players on show, for me, were McKeown and O Callaghan, though the class of Cross's Armagh contingent played a huge factor in the game.
Well done Cross. Worthy champions.
was sludden reffing?
Haha maybe he wasn't refereeing. Someone told me it was him; maybe he was the linesman who made the call on McArdle. Ref was dire whoever he was.
what went on with the red card? off the ball but who was on the receiving end? punch or kick?
Name of referee was Martin Higgins from Fermanagh Sludden was linesman . All wrote down on front of the programme . Sludden cant be blamed on everything
the red card incident happened literally 10 yards from Sludden, yet it was the other linesman at the other side of the pitch that gave the red card!! cross are just a class above. Jamie Clarke's pass for Oisin's goal was out of this world!!
Not the best Cross' game, but the expected result. Jamie Clark is a pleasure to watch, he has the basic skills and the fancy ones too. You can make it hard for him to score, but he then delivers a precise pass to someone else who does score.
Another win another title. Played well in patches and really could have won by a lot more, 10 first half wides and probably close to 7 in the second half. Also a few hit short into keepers hands. Things to work on I suppose.
Sending off correct, elbow in the face. Sludden was in front of the play following the ball so couldn't have seen it. McQuillan on the other line called it. Defence were very good and could not fault any. I thought James and Fiddler were the pick. MF so so, Titch wasn't injured, I was just playing the candyman for the craic ;D.
I thought the movement in the forwards was excellent and really should have garnered more scores thab we did. I need to talk to Jamie about my 'tactics' to give himself some protection as the refs certainly don't. All that was nneded today was a saddle and a whip for McCartan.
Fair and honest opinion, but ya never give these beforehand ;)
Cross have got off to great starts and stamp their authority on the game. Teams will get some possession but the damage is done.
They will find it harder if teams stop their great start to games. I believe they will win come 17Th of March though. Osin most have the most provincial club medals in Ireland.
Sludden was linesman. Higgins was ref.
Who got the second goal? It happened at the far end of the pitch from where we were in the corner of the stand.
Didn't see the off the ball incident but if he elbowed someone's face it was well justified.
Broken Cross Bar, you could maybe get a lend of a saddle from Alan Higgins in midfield, hanratty was riding him all day. If ever there was a case for a double yellow for persistent fouling Hanratty is it, and he is a big shite when it comes to it.
That said best team won. Cross played a good direct brand of football that payed massive dividends. Clarke's off the ball running was hard to contain, although Gerard should have come in front, possibly too much respect there!!
The sending off was disastrous but good to know the boul Joe McQuillan will be getting the new advert for laser surgery, he seen something from 70 yards away that neither the ref nor Mr Sludden did. Higgins was a joke all day, missed numerous fouls on both sides and if he was booking McKeown for his tackle at the last, it was a red. came through McArdle and both feet of the ground!!!
Cross were clinical when it counted and apart from Donal O'Hare and Alan Higgins who gave everything, we have alot of boys who need to ask themselves why they didnt come out and empty the tank.
Cross will take a bit of stopping but we will go back to the drawing board and plan for next year.
Good luck to cross in the all ireland series.
The injuries and Eoin's suspension were all killer blows but when the boys on the field dont perform it's hard to stomach.
Gooch v Clarke will be some semi final match up however UCC might have something to say about it.
Quote from: forevergreen on November 27, 2011, 08:31:48 PM
Broken Cross Bar, you could maybe get a lend of a saddle from Alan Higgins in midfield, hanratty was riding him all day. If ever there was a case for a double yellow for persistent fouling Hanratty is it, and he is a big shite when it comes to it.
That said best team won. Cross played a good direct brand of football that payed massive dividends. Clarke's off the ball running was hard to contain, although Gerard should have come in front, possibly too much respect there!!
The sending off was disastrous but good to know the boul Joe McQuillan will be getting the new advert for laser surgery, he seen something from 70 yards away that neither the ref nor Mr Sludden did. Higgins was a joke all day, missed numerous fouls on both sides and if he was booking McKeown for his tackle at the last, it was a red. came through McArdle and both feet of the ground!!!
Cross were clinical when it counted and apart from Donal O'Hare and Alan Higgins who gave everything, we have alot of boys who need to ask themselves why they didnt come out and empty the tank.
Cross will take a bit of stopping but we will go back to the drawing board and plan for next year.
Good luck to cross in the all ireland series.
The injuries and Eoin's suspension were all killer blows but when the boys on the field dont perform it's hard to stomach.
I wouldn't be so tough on the players (your own players?) That Cross team is some outfit. If a player throws a dig at another player then he would have been the one I would be mad at, the other players, I'm sure didn't want to lose.
Forever green, I wouldn't disagree about Johnny, he was lucky not to get 2 yellows and we actually thought he had. To say he is a big shite is not true and you're well out of line and oof the mark there. We could argue about who fouled the most but that is petty. The simple thing was that too many "big game plauyers" didn't do it for Burren. They played too individualiy and play a running game which is fine against teams who cannot match your speed and fitness. We are a level above a lot of county teams in terms of fitness and as a result teams will not outlast us. I honestly believe on todays showing we were at least another 5 points better than the final score but simply didn't take our scores. That is something to work on but at least the lads can enjoy Christmas because I reckon January will be fun ;D
Yeah BCB, our running game is grand but when its not working we have to have a plan B and unfortunately at the minute we dont have one. Plan B would probably have been Eoin into the edge of the square , as he did to great effect last year. We are a good team and one that is learning. To become a great team we have to become more rounded and the lads outside of the first 15 have to up their game too.
We had too many lads let the game pass them by. I have no doubt the 3 weeks in a row took its toll but when you get to an Ulster Final tiredness is just a mental block.
Hopefully today will prove the making of the boys in that its a hard lesson but hopefully one which they can use to motivate themselves and use to focus on getting back.
We just arent cute enough yet but that'll come, we need to get the walking wounded sorted and come back stronger as a unit next year.
In the meantime enjoy your journey south after the winter and hopefully we'll see you this time next year but that's a years hard work away but hard work that must be done.
Quote from: Don Johnson on November 27, 2011, 08:25:54 PM
Who got the second goal? It happened at the far end of the pitch from where we were in the corner of the stand.
Didn't see the off the ball incident but if he elbowed someone's face it was well justified.
it went in off kyle carragher's knee. dont think he knew too much about it though.
forever green - as a neutral at the game i thought the ref gave some very favourable decisions to burren, and in general cross had to work harder to get a free than burren.
Who were Burren missing today apart from Eoin McCartan? They were awfully poor, even before the sending off. Couldn't understand why they spent several periods of the game without any semblance of a FF line. Cross don't have many weak links, but if there is a chink in the armour it's their FB line under the high ball. Burren didn't put any pressure on this area, even towards the end of the game when they knew goals were needed. They just limped through the game, kept alive by a few dodgy frees, until the second goal finally put them out of their misery.
What can you say about Cross though? They have such a high baseline. Even the weakest members of their first fifteen are excellent club players. Pity Armagh are now bucked in the league.
Well done the Rangers-9 final wins outa 9 will never be matched never mind bettered
Burren on the day have actually regressed with regards last year,albeit the loss of Rooney,Toner and to a lesser degree Eoin Mc had quite a bearing on todays game-
Oisin was rightly mentioned as holding most provincial medals-however Hearty must surely be up there also??
How many Cross players will make the Armagh team next year? Oisin is getting on a bit but is still good enough to line out for his county.
Photos of both games
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Was over on the Ulster GAA site and they have the score of the senior game up but not the junior, even though it was the early throw in, not say what I was thinking when saw it, not want to be banned lol
Congratulations to Rangers again - phenomenal achievement.
Quote from: ogshead on November 27, 2011, 04:30:54 PM
People have posted here before about how bad Armagh football is. Cross have now won the last 5 Ulster Championships they have entered so the Ulster football must be bad too going by that way of thinking.
I was going to ask if we could have the usual remarks about the weakness of Armagh Club football!!
You can make any argument you want when discussing the relative merits of club sides from different counties - so with that in mind, in Rangers last two Ulster Title successes, the closest game they have had was within Armagh, and from two different teams!!
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on November 28, 2011, 12:13:49 AM
Congratulations to Rangers again - phenomenal achievement.
Quote from: ogshead on November 27, 2011, 04:30:54 PM
People have posted here before about how bad Armagh football is. Cross have now won the last 5 Ulster Championships they have entered so the Ulster football must be bad too going by that way of thinking.
I was going to ask if we could have the usual remarks about the weakness of Armagh Club football!!
You can make any argument you want when discussing the relative merits of club sides from different counties - so with that in mind, in Rangers last two Ulster Title successes, the closest game they have had was within Armagh, and from two different teams!!
Would I also be right in thinking that the only Ulster team to have beaten Cross in the Championship in the last 6 years is also from Armagh - we wouldn't mention their name though Rufus. ;)
Must say the match was a great disappointment. I expected Cross to get a run for their money but instead they won pulling up even though for about the first ten minutes in the second half the referee gave Burren a steady flow of soft frees. I have not seen them ( or Oisin in particular) miss as many chances since the Ogs beat them a couple of years ago and yet I never thought they were ever under any meaningful pressure. Cross actually lost their way for a while after the sending off which I do not think had any bearing on the game. No matter who made the decision I thought it was the correct one.
For Cross I thought Morgan was excellent and Stephen Kernan had another top game. Aaron Cunningham continues to improve and Jamie Clarke is quite superb. Despite getting continuously fouled I do not remember Clarke getting a free. But he always seems to get the ball and get a shot or pass away. What Armagh would give for a Stevie 4 or 5 years younger to play along with him. I would also say how noticable it was that Cross were a poorer team when Mcnamee went off - a very under rated player.
As for Burren aside from their keeper and free taker most of the rest could have stayed at home. If this is the best Down have no wonder they are trying to steal Armagh players. ;)
With Cross players as well as Stevie out until March it looks like relegation this year for Armagh - unless some new players step up to the mark. Roll on january!
Congrats to Cross.....A phenomenal achievement in terms of Ulster Finals.
As a neutral I thought the sending off call was correct. McArdle was annoyed to some robust tackling and threw a punch as the ball was played up the field. Burren may feel hard done by but McArdle was stupid and badly let his team down.
Its hard to call how close the game wouldve been if hadve stayed 15 on 15. Many would say none as Cross started brilliantly but as mentioned theyve done that in nearly every game this year and were nearly caught out by a 14 man Ballinderry side.
Burren were not at full strength and players like Rooney and Conor Toner wouldve offered more options as would Eoin McCartan.
Cross have the experience and cuteness to win at all costs. They are a cynical team in terms of their gamesmanship and borderline tackling. Burren simply hadnt come up against a team like that this year. Their ability to stop third man runners off the ball, niggling, robust tackling and tactical fouling without it seeming blatantly obvious. But they are a fabulous team who's work ethic is second to none. They are the benchmark for all Club teams to strive towards.
Gregory Walsh got some stick for the manner in which he reffed the Junior final, I thought he had a good game he tried to let it flow. In the senior final Martin Higgins was too whistle happy and having sent off McArdle blew soft frees for Burren whilst letting similar tackling go at the other end. Cross were much better than 7 points. Aaron Cunningham was my MOTM outstnding throughout, selfless in his work rate. Jamie Clarke is to GAA what Messi is to soccer he has the ability to be better than Peter Canavan. I didn't see the sending off but the Burren supporters around he seemed to think it was correct, and elbow to the face. The Junior game was exciting and Cremartin can only blame themselves for losing, the goalie gift them an equaliser at the death but the player chose to pass rather than take responsibility. Fair play to the Ulster Council, I have enjoyed all the double headers and at a tenner great value.
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 28, 2011, 11:57:20 AM
Gregory Walsh got some stick for the manner in which he reffed the Junior final, I thought he had a good game he tried to let it flow. In the senior final Martin Higgins was too whistle happy and having sent off McArdle blew soft frees for Burren whilst letting similar tackling go at the other end. Cross were much better than 7 points. Aaron Cunningham was my MOTM outstnding throughout, selfless in his work rate. Jamie Clarke is to GAA what Messi is to soccer he has the ability to be better than Peter Canavan. I didn't see the sending off but the Burren supporters around he seemed to think it was correct, and elbow to the face. The Junior game was exciting and Cremartin can only blame themselves for losing, the goalie gift them an equaliser at the death but the player chose to pass rather than take responsibility. Fair play to the Ulster Council, I have enjoyed all the double headers and at a tenner great value.
Not a fan of Gregory Walsh at all . . . he let's far too much go to the extent it gets dangerous! He has no control of a game whatsoever and his communication is awful.
I hold him personally responsible for my cruciate injury earlier on in the year suffered as a result of a late hit and have told him so!!! He shouldn't be getting important games like that.
The guy you should be blaming is the player who hit you late. The ref never touched you. You Screen boys are soft any how ;)
Quote from: Man Marker on November 28, 2011, 12:18:37 PM
The guy you should be blaming is the player who hit you late. The ref never touched you. You Screen boys are soft any how ;)
Well there were a number of late hits in the game that the ref let go. 5 minutes before I got done one of our lads was hit late again and he let it go. I told Walsh he needed to sort it out before someone got seriously hurt and I was told to shut up.
I was going full tilt and hand passed the ball away only to be cleaned from the side while my foot was planted. It was shoulder to shoulder and the guy meant to hit me hard and late but he didn't go out to injure me.
The ref let the game go on and didn't even book the guy as I was crumpled in agony. Had the ref sorted the bad tackles earlier with bookings and having words with the offenders then it would have stopped and I wouldn't have missed another year! He tried to tell me after that it was unavoidable yet admitted that I had told him 5 minutes previous that someone was going to get hurt!!!!!
Quote from: screenexile on November 28, 2011, 12:25:51 PM
Quote from: Man Marker on November 28, 2011, 12:18:37 PM
The guy you should be blaming is the player who hit you late. The ref never touched you. You Screen boys are soft any how ;)
Well there were a number of late hits in the game that the ref let go. 5 minutes before I got done one of our lads was hit late again and he let it go. I told Walsh he needed to sort it out before someone got seriously hurt and I was told to shut up.
I was going full tilt and hand passed the ball away only to be cleaned from the side while my foot was planted. It was shoulder to shoulder and the guy meant to hit me hard and late but he didn't go out to injure me.
The ref let the game go on and didn't even book the guy as I was crumpled in agony. Had the ref sorted the bad tackles earlier with bookings and having words with the offenders then it would have stopped and I wouldn't have missed another year! He tried to tell me after that it was unavoidable yet admitted that I had told him 5 minutes previous that someone was going to get hurt!!!!!
I wasn't at your match. But in my opinion he had a good game yesterday.
Poor enough decider yesterday in front of a big crowd. I did'nt see the sending off incident, but thought the ref probably ruined any chance of a good game by his decision. Cross started really well, clarke & S Kernan were superb... Cross must have kicked 15+ wides, very wasteful... they'll take some stopping again, Bar 15 mins at start of second half Burren offered v little, cross backs had the measure of them
Quote from: BerfArmagh on November 28, 2011, 01:58:54 PM
Poor enough decider yesterday in front of a big crowd. I did'nt see the sending off incident, but thought the ref probably ruined any chance of a good game by his decision. Cross started really well, clarke & S Kernan were superb... Cross must have kicked 15+ wides, very wasteful... they'll take some stopping again, Bar 15 mins at start of second half Burren offered v little, cross backs had the measure of them
The ref didn't ruin the game, that rests with the player sent off.
Fair play to Cross. Truely exceptional record of continued championship success. If only Armagh could get a bit of their winning mentality, tactical discipline and self belief.
It's hard to believe Paul Kernan isn't a regular in the armagh team. Cross players likely to be in the armagh team next year perhaps...
keeper - hearty
corner back - pmckeown
wing half back - akernan
wing half back - jmorgan
half forward - cunningham
full forward line - clarke
There was a lot of talk on this thread and elsewhere about Cross playing on the edge and being masters of the dark arts, etc., etc. but their red-card record wouldn't be the worst to be fair. Are they just super cute and disciplined? What is the craic about Burren? For a team that considered themselves genuine contenders, they seem to have had more than their fair share sent off this year? Is it just naivety, bad luck and/or misplaced aggression on their part?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 27, 2011, 12:21:24 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 27, 2011, 11:43:17 AM
Cross to win easily. This is possibly the best club team EVER. Cross by 5+
Jaysus man catch yourself on will ye ::)
I don't like crowing but the prediction was right!! Club football in Down must be poor enough cos Burren were even worse than I thought. Cross could and should have won that game by 12 points.
Rogueryhill, Burren looked a bit shellshocked yesterday from the off. I'd say they were nervous enough, but the speed and precision of Cross really unsettled them. Perhaps coming through the easier side of the draw did them no favours, perhaps inexperience told. Burren are a much better team than they showed yesterday - but like most clubs in Ireland, they'd need the performance of their lives to beat Cross.
Quote from: thewobbler on November 28, 2011, 04:02:50 PM
Rogueryhill, Burren looked a bit shellshocked yesterday from the off. I'd say they were nervous enough, but the speed and precision of Cross really unsettled them. Perhaps coming through the easier side of the draw did them no favours, perhaps inexperience told. Burren are a much better team than they showed yesterday - but like most clubs in Ireland, they'd need the performance of their lives to beat Cross.
Having seen Burren a few times in Down Wobbler, and seeing the quality at first hand of Down football I think their qiality is somewhat overstated. Given time and space around the middle section they can do damage, get among them and its a different story. They are the best in Down but they are well off the level of previous Burren teams I played against and the Mayobrisge team of the mid 90's. They are young though so they could develop into a strong team yet.
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Quote from: thewobbler on November 28, 2011, 04:02:50 PM
Rogueryhill, Burren looked a bit shellshocked yesterday from the off. I'd say they were nervous enough, but the speed and precision of Cross really unsettled them. Perhaps coming through the easier side of the draw did them no favours, perhaps inexperience told. Burren are a much better team than they showed yesterday - but like most clubs in Ireland, they'd need the performance of their lives to beat Cross.
They didn't exactly set "the easier side of the draw" alight either though. I was amazed anyone gave them a chance yesterday. An average enough outfit at this level.
The same team was very close to taking Cross to extra time last year so to write them off as an average side with key personal sent off, injured and suspended is a tad harsh. Add to that the fact that they have an average of 22 means they should get better and be back at this stage again. Dont no why you would be amazed at all!?!
Difficult to know how big the sending off was in the game but Mcardle is a very big player for Burren and imo would have had a big impact on the game as he had in Burrens previous 2 games in ulster. That being said a bit of stupidity and naivety at having is run blocked can not be excused and he will have to learn from it.
On Cross many say they are a cynical, crafty side but that is all part of being a great side. As well as having wonderful football players they are also masters at the dark arts and teams will have to learn to deal with this if they are to compete with them.
Quote from: regal on November 28, 2011, 03:44:55 PM
Fair play to Cross. Truely exceptional record of continued championship success. If only Armagh could get a bit of their winning mentality, tactical discipline and self belief.
It's hard to believe Paul Kernan isn't a regular in the armagh team. Cross players likely to be in the armagh team next year perhaps...
keeper - hearty
corner back - pmckeown
wing half back - akernan
wing half back - jmorgan
half forward - cunningham
full forward line - clarke
Stephen and Tony Kernan should be there too. Stephen has been exceptional this year for Cross.
Quote from: Applesisapples on November 28, 2011, 04:45:48 PM
Quote from: regal on November 28, 2011, 03:44:55 PM
Fair play to Cross. Truely exceptional record of continued championship success. If only Armagh could get a bit of their winning mentality, tactical discipline and self belief.
It's hard to believe Paul Kernan isn't a regular in the armagh team. Cross players likely to be in the armagh team next year perhaps...
keeper - hearty
corner back - pmckeown
wing half back - akernan
wing half back - jmorgan
half forward - cunningham
full forward line - clarke
Stephen and Tony Kernan should be there too. Stephen has been exceptional this year for Cross.
Some of these players will have the problem of integrating into the county set-up if Cross get to the AI final. At best they will have about 2 League games to nail down a championship place and thats tough for the non-established players like Morgan and Cunningham who I think are both deserving of a shot at it. I would also agree that S Kernan is still the most creative player in Armagh.
Quote from: regal on November 28, 2011, 03:44:55 PM
Fair play to Cross. Truely exceptional record of continued championship success. If only Armagh could get a bit of their winning mentality, tactical discipline and self belief.
It's hard to believe Paul Kernan isn't a regular in the armagh team. Cross players likely to be in the armagh team next year perhaps...
keeper - hearty
corner back - pmckeown
wing half back - akernan
wing half back - jmorgan
half forward - cunningham
full forward line - clarke
It isn't really when you consider his form over the last few years. That said, he does look much improved this campaign and should be in the reckoning for at least a recall to the panel.
He's too slow for an inter-county FB and there's better about than him in FB about, there's also better than him at his own club in both CB positions. He got the chop during POR's tenure as well didn't he? Malevolent influence and all that Donal probably was I dont think they were too far of the mark with PK's axing tbh.
highlights now on TG4
Some ball from Clarke for McConville's goal. Clarke is unmarkable - doesn't matter if the ball is in high or low he'll still win it.
Quote from: Orchardman on November 27, 2011, 05:22:19 PM
Left nearly 15 mins early after watching both games today, game was over when it was 4-0 and burren got man sent off. Congrates to cross
Down football is brutal, sicken ya's!!
What would you honestly know about Down football . Armagh club football cant be much cop either when the team in the county final can only score 3 pts this really helps your point
Quote from: bennydorano on November 28, 2011, 06:54:05 PM
He's too slow for an inter-county FB and there's better about than him in FB about, there's also better than him at his own club in both CB positions. He got the chop during POR's tenure as well didn't he? Malevolent influence and all that Donal probably was I dont think they were too far of the mark with PK's axing tbh.
You must be joking.
Quote from: The Diarrhoa Divil on November 22, 2011, 10:52:56 PM
Long time lurker, first time poster.
I think alot of people are definitely underestimating Burren.
Id say that this is the game they have been wanting to get since they lost out last year to cross.
Id be surprised if they sit back this time and admire cross for the first 30mins like they did last year.
Yes they might be weakened with suspensions and injuries but still dont think this one will pan out as some people think.
Cross are an excellent side, dont get me wrong, but if im honest i see Burren taking them this time round to make amends for 12 months previous. On the game last sunday, i was impressed with Latton's sheer guts and spirit. They never gave up and kept plugging away, a very honest, hard-working effort from the Monaghan men. Lennon was a colossus in the middle of the field and had no equal, only for their shooting they would have perhaps taken Burren. Burren did what they had to when it mattered and would be happy enough to stutter unconvincingly into an ulster final and be labelled as underdogs.
Totally unrelated i know, but was wondering could anyone clear this one up. Was entering the ground at Armagh on sunday and seen Michael McGill the former Down player, he had a Burren tracksuit on. Was he not a Warrenpoint player previously, or was he their manager or what. Is he involved with the Burren team or whats the connection there. Settle a dispute amongst friends.
Very good prediction. :)
Quote from: MK on November 27, 2011, 11:31:46 PM
Well done the Rangers-9 final wins outa 9 will never be matched never mind bettered
Burren on the day have actually regressed with regards last year,albeit the loss of Rooney,Toner and to a lesser degree Eoin Mc had quite a bearing on todays game-
Oisin was rightly mentioned as holding most provincial medals-however Hearty must surely be up there also??
Yes Paul Hearty has also 9 Ulster medals, but he didn't play in the 96 final due to injury.
There are no superlatives left to describe Cross and their achievements. To play in 9 ulster finals and win the lot is staggering. They used to just dominate Armagh, now its Ulster. I just wish they would share their blueprint with the rest of the clubs in Armagh and the county set up! The stark truth is though that very few clubs in Ireland, never mind Armagh are as well organised and committed at all levels, with the range of individuals behind the scenes willing to put the work in without complaint.
I would think David McKenna, Johnny Hanratty and James Morgan would be pushing hard for a starting spot for the county if they're interested, if they can bring that level of aggression and workrate. The likes of Paul McKeown as well maybe. As someone else has said here, J Clarke is pretty much unmarkable at the moment. There is a score off him everytime he touches the ball. He has it all.
QuoteThere are no superlatives left to describe Cross and their achievements.
pure munya?
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I just wish they would share their blueprint with the rest of the clubs in Armagh and the county set up!
I think you have it in the quote below. Not rocket science.
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The stark truth is though that very few clubs in Ireland, never mind Armagh are as well organised and committed at all levels, with the range of individuals behind the scenes willing to put the work in without complaint.
Quote from: armaghniac on November 28, 2011, 10:41:29 PM
QuoteThere are no superlatives left to describe Cross and their achievements.
pure munya?
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I just wish they would share their blueprint with the rest of the clubs in Armagh and the county set up!
I think you have it in the quote below. Not rocket science.
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The stark truth is though that very few clubs in Ireland, never mind Armagh are as well organised and committed at all levels, with the range of individuals behind the scenes willing to put the work in without complaint.
Rilya feens, don't forget the rulya feens.
Every team has at least 1 coach with a few county medals, nearly all have players with a few AI medals. Hard to compare with.
No great secret I would have thought. They have the right people taking their teams all the way up. People with County medals who understand the game and I would think that they all preach the same game plan so the younger ones are well prepared to make the step up. As far as I know there is a strong emphasis on getting the current team to take time off and do coaching with the younger kids in primary school and that which can't do anything but help.
I know its a cliche but young lads playing Senior football these days are interested in themselves and don't see the effect that giving their time when playing can have on the younger kids in the parish for the future. There are too many excuses trotted out and I would imagine that doesn't happen too often around Cross!
From the team that started on Sunday all the Kernans, Oisin, Mickey Mac and Paul McKeown all have been active in coaching underage teams. Not a bad turn out.
Just thinking there, Cross beat St Gall's, Ballinderry and Burren, who would, along with cross, be Ulster's top sides.
Only Ballinderry caused them any sweat at all. Ballinderry aren't going to be getting much better over the next few years, Gall's look done and Burren don't seem to be at the level.
Frightening prospect for the rest of Ulster there! Cross look to have the next five years sown up. Can anyone take their crown?
Apparently the second best team in Ireland. The Ogs ;D
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 29, 2011, 08:19:27 AM
Apparently the second best team in Ireland. The Ogs ;D
:D :D
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 28, 2011, 08:45:21 PM
Some ball from Clarke for McConville's goal. Clarke is unmarkable - doesn't matter if the ball is in high or low he'll still win it.
Most days maybe. Ballinderry kept him very quiet.
Quote from: sheamy on November 29, 2011, 08:16:48 AM
Cross look to have the next five years sown up. Can anyone take their crown?
But you never know what is round the corner. Sure weren't similar predictions made on the county scene in 2002, 2003, and even 93? ;)
Kilmacrud Crokes were relegated this year, I believe. They were All-Ireland Champions in 2009 and semi-finalists last year?
Not that I am predicting the demise of Cross! But it is a bit early to be starting that Derry cute hoorism Sheamy ;D
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 29, 2011, 08:19:27 AM
Apparently the second best team in Ireland. The Ogs ;D
We used to tell Dromintee ones that too....'Snigger,snigger' :P
QuoteMost days maybe. Ballinderry kept him very quiet.
Yes, you can send two or three men to him and bottle him up, Ballymacnab also achieved this. Problem is that the rest of the Cross' forwards then make hay, especially as he can deliver a well timed pass to them.
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on November 29, 2011, 09:33:30 AM
Quote from: sheamy on November 29, 2011, 08:16:48 AM
Cross look to have the next five years sown up. Can anyone take their crown?
But you never know what is round the corner. Sure weren't similar predictions made on the county scene in 2002, 2003, and even 93? ;)
Kilmacrud Crokes were relegated this year, I believe. They were All-Ireland Champions in 2009 and semi-finalists last year?
Not that I am predicting the demise of Cross! But it is a bit early to be starting that Derry cute hoorism Sheamy ;D
You've got me wrong there. I wouldn't insult cross with cute hoorism either! (not that it would work anyway). Just wanted to point out that they are currently streets ahead of the rest with no signs of slowing up, and having a young team. Nothing lasts forever and someone else will come up in time but it doesn't look like within the next five years. Also, Clarke is excellent but I don't buy this untouchable thing at all. He has to do it at county level to be in that league.
ps there was no backdoor in '93 ;)
Crossmaglen are the best team in Ulster no matter what the standard is in Armagh. Would they not agree however that the poor standard in Armagh is a great benefit to them as most county champions find it very difficult to negotiate ther hazards they meet in their own county.
I noticed that Culloville finished 6th in the Armagh senior league[thye 6th best team in Armagh]. And Craigbane of derry can beat them who are the 15th best team in Derry!
PS. How are Culloville eligible to play in the Ulster Intermediate championship?
Quote from: FERDIE on November 29, 2011, 11:11:08 AM
Crossmaglen are the best team in Ulster no matter what the standard is in Armagh. Would they not agree however that the poor standard in Armagh is a great benefit to them as most county champions find it very difficult to negotiate ther hazards they meet in their own county.
I noticed that Culloville finished 6th in the Armagh senior league[thye 6th best team in Armagh]. And Craigbane of derry can beat them who are the 15th best team in Derry!
PS. How are Culloville eligible to play in the Ulster Intermediate championship?
Because this year they won the Armagh Intermediate Championship! ::)
Craigbane won by a point against 13 men. Would doubt they would have won if it was 15/15
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on November 29, 2011, 11:21:18 AM
Quote from: FERDIE on November 29, 2011, 11:11:08 AM
Crossmaglen are the best team in Ulster no matter what the standard is in Armagh. Would they not agree however that the poor standard in Armagh is a great benefit to them as most county champions find it very difficult to negotiate ther hazards they meet in their own county.
I noticed that Culloville finished 6th in the Armagh senior league[thye 6th best team in Armagh]. And Craigbane of derry can beat them who are the 15th best team in Derry!
PS. How are Culloville eligible to play in the Ulster Intermediate championship?
Because this year they won the Armagh Intermediate Championship! ::)
In Derry if you are in the Senior League you play in the Senior Championship. I think he was just asking why are Culloville playing in the Senior League and then in the Intermediate Championship?!
A pretty valid question given that they are sitting 6th in Armagh's top Division!!! Surely they should not have been in the Intermediate Championship at all!
QuoteA pretty valid question given that they are sitting 6th in Armagh's top Division!!!
Not really. The league and championship are not connected.
QuoteSurely they should not have been in the Intermediate Championship at all!
They had made several efforts to win the Armagh Intermediate Championship in recent years, without success.
It is true that Culloville have performed well in the League, this is partly due to not having any county players, giving them a good chance of doing better in the games when other teams are playing without county players.
Had they a little composure they would now be Ulster champions.
Quote from: screenexile on November 29, 2011, 11:51:33 AM
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on November 29, 2011, 11:21:18 AM
Quote from: FERDIE on November 29, 2011, 11:11:08 AM
Crossmaglen are the best team in Ulster no matter what the standard is in Armagh. Would they not agree however that the poor standard in Armagh is a great benefit to them as most county champions find it very difficult to negotiate ther hazards they meet in their own county.
I noticed that Culloville finished 6th in the Armagh senior league[thye 6th best team in Armagh]. And Craigbane of derry can beat them who are the 15th best team in Derry!
PS. How are Culloville eligible to play in the Ulster Intermediate championship?
Because this year they won the Armagh Intermediate Championship! ::)
In Derry if you are in the Senior League you play in the Senior Championship. I think he was just asking why are Culloville playing in the Senior League and then in the Intermediate Championship?!
A pretty valid question given that they are sitting 6th in Armagh's top Division!!! Surely they should not have been in the Intermediate Championship at all!
Derry and Armagh have obviously different league / championship set ups. In order to progress from intermediate to senior championship in armagh you have to win the intermediate championship. what league you play in has no bearing on what championship you are in (in theory you could win the Division 1 league but still play junior championship). Culloville had been beaten in 3 intermeadiate finals in the last 4 years before this year.
Quote from: armaghniac on November 29, 2011, 12:03:56 PM
Not really. The league and championship are not connected.
They should be though. It's not something specific to Armagh but in any county if you're in the top division you shouldn't be playing intermediate.
Quote from: FERDIE on November 29, 2011, 11:11:08 AM
Crossmaglen are the best team in Ulster no matter what the standard is in Armagh. Would they not agree however that the poor standard in Armagh is a great benefit to them as most county champions find it very difficult to negotiate ther hazards they meet in their own county.
I noticed that Culloville finished 6th in the Armagh senior league[thye 6th best team in Armagh]. And Craigbane of derry can beat them who are the 15th best team in Derry!
PS. How are Culloville eligible to play in the Ulster Intermediate championship?
This argument has been done to death on here but in remains the case that Crossmaglen have actually found it more difficult to negotiate the hurdles they face in Armagh than the hazards they've faced in Ulster in recent years. This clearly suggests that the standard in Armagh is not poor, but rather that Crossmaglen are simply an exceptional side.
I wouldn't agree at all that this year's league standings are proof that Culloville are the 6th best team in Armagh. Craigbane beat them yes, but I understand that was by a point against 13 men? Culloville play in the intermediate championship for the simple, and obvious, reason that they are an intermediate team by virtue of not having won the intermediate championship until this year.
QuoteThey should be though.
Why, exactly?. In many counties they are not.
Quote from: regal on November 29, 2011, 12:04:49 PM
Derry and Armagh have obviously different league / championship set ups. In order to progress from intermediate to senior championship in armagh you have to win the intermediate championship. what league you play in has no bearing on what championship you are in (in theory you could win the Division 1 league but still play junior championship). Culloville had been beaten in 3 intermeadiate finals in the last 4 years before this year.
So are Culloville in senior for good now? Or is there a way back down to the intermediate championship?
Quote from: sheamy on November 29, 2011, 12:18:53 PM
Quote from: regal on November 29, 2011, 12:04:49 PM
Derry and Armagh have obviously different league / championship set ups. In order to progress from intermediate to senior championship in armagh you have to win the intermediate championship. what league you play in has no bearing on what championship you are in (in theory you could win the Division 1 league but still play junior championship). Culloville had been beaten in 3 intermeadiate finals in the last 4 years before this year.
So are Culloville in senior for good now? Or is there a way back down to the intermediate championship?
For the foreseeable future though there is no relegation procedure, teams are simply able to elect to move down to the intermediate championship. Perhaps we should consider a rule whereby you can't move down if you have played Division 1 football the previous season as some clubs, and I include my own, could be accused of having been too quick to regrade.
Quote from: sheamy
So are Culloville in senior for good now? Or is there a way back down to the intermediate championship?
No. They can go back to Intermediate in the future if they are crap in the senior championship.
Quote from: FERDIE on November 29, 2011, 11:11:08 AM
Crossmaglen are the best team in Ulster no matter what the standard is in Armagh. Would they not agree however that the poor standard in Armagh is a great benefit to them as most county champions find it very difficult to negotiate ther hazards they meet in their own county.
I noticed that Culloville finished 6th in the Armagh senior league[thye 6th best team in Armagh]. And Craigbane of derry can beat them who are the 15th best team in Derry!
PS. How are Culloville eligible to play in the Ulster Intermediate championship?
Culloville's rise has been recent. There wouldn't be much difference in Armagh between Senior and intermediate teams, certainly at the top and bottom of each grouping, for example Sarsfileds won the intermediate last year and are in division 1. The top six teams in Armagh excluding Cross would probably give any team in Ulster their fill with the exceptions of perhaps St Gall's, Ballinderry and Burren. Championship grading in Armagh is decide by the teams although once you win Intermediate then you progress to Senior. Sarsfileds beat Culloville in last years final and they played senior this year and Culloville will do likewise next year.
However it may all change from next year on with proposals being taken to the County Convention...
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on November 29, 2011, 09:25:14 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 28, 2011, 08:45:21 PM
Some ball from Clarke for McConville's goal. Clarke is unmarkable - doesn't matter if the ball is in high or low he'll still win it.
Most days maybe. Ballinderry kept him very quiet.
As did Block.
I don't agree with that system. If you are having an Ulster Intermediate Championship then it should be a level playing field for everyone. Culloville have been plying their trade all year against the likes of Cross, Pearse Og, Dromintee while Craigbane have been playing at a level below.
I think their should be a uniform way of grading Clubs across all counties.
Yeah, Derry should change.
Quote from: screenexile on November 29, 2011, 02:08:27 PM
I don't agree with that system. If you are having an Ulster Intermediate Championship then it should be a level playing field for everyone. Culloville have been plying their trade all year against the likes of Cross, Pearse Og, Dromintee while Craigbane have been playing at a level below.
I think their should be a uniform way of grading Clubs across all counties.
It's the system in Armagh, you win the Junior youplay Intermediate, you win that you play Senior it's fair.
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on November 29, 2011, 11:34:12 AM
Craigbane won by a point against 13 men. Would doubt they would have won if it was 15/15
That crowd would never manage to keep 15 men on the field against criagbane or any other good team, so we will never know :D
Just read that all about the grading in Aramgh. Sounds fair enough if you win the championship you compete at senior the next year. Tyrone do this aswell, but the team is also promoted to the senior league. However i think its a bit of a joke that a team in the senior league can compete in the intermediate championship. How many seasons has culloville been in the top divison? And am I right in thinking that a team ccould in theory could win the divison one league 10 years on the trot but still be playing in the intermediate championship as they havent won it? Can the county board veto a teams request to downgrade if they think they are too strong?
The fact that culloville were in four finals in four years tells you that they were consistently at the top of intermediate in aramgh and should have been promoted.
Quote from: HiMucker on November 29, 2011, 03:41:03 PM
The fact that culloville were in four finals in four years tells you that they were consistently at the top of intermediate in aramgh and should have been promoted.
....and they will be, now that they have won it.
Quote from: Smokin Joe on November 29, 2011, 03:42:12 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on November 29, 2011, 03:41:03 PM
The fact that culloville were in four finals in four years tells you that they were consistently at the top of intermediate in aramgh and should have been promoted.
....and they will be, now that they have won it.
Right smart arse, my point was that their promotion was overdue. I remember we were beat in the all ireland schools B semi final (2001 i think) by a longford school (can remember their name)by 7 points, but we were well beat from start to finish and had no chance of winning. They had lost 3 leinster B finals in a row but everyone and their dog new they should have been in the hogan. They won the all ireland final by 30 odd points! We actually gave them their closet game that year. Now schools football it is difficult to sort out these imbalances, but club football it is quite easy. Top teams go up and bottom teams go down. I think its quite clear to see thats the fairest way.
Is there any limit to the number of teams who can regrade.
For instance, could 4 or 5 teams who are not at the level of cross just drop down to intermediate.
Does the number of teams in the Armagh SFC change from year to year.
Quote from: John Martin on November 29, 2011, 03:55:34 PM
Is there any limit to the number of teams who can regrade.
For instance, could 4 or 5 teams who are not at the level of cross just drop down to intermediate.
Does the number of teams in the Armagh SFC change from year to year.
That begs the question: should they all be intermediate except cross?
Quote from: sheamy on November 29, 2011, 03:58:35 PM
Quote from: John Martin on November 29, 2011, 03:55:34 PM
Is there any limit to the number of teams who can regrade.
For instance, could 4 or 5 teams who are not at the level of cross just drop down to intermediate.
Does the number of teams in the Armagh SFC change from year to year.
That begs the question: should they all be intermediate except cross?
Maybe every other club in Ireland should contest the Intermediate and Junior and just give Cross the AI every year!
Quote from: sheamy on November 29, 2011, 03:58:35 PM
Quote from: John Martin on November 29, 2011, 03:55:34 PM
Is there any limit to the number of teams who can regrade.
For instance, could 4 or 5 teams who are not at the level of cross just drop down to intermediate.
Does the number of teams in the Armagh SFC change from year to year.
That begs the question: should they all be intermediate except cross?
wel that would mean just handing the armagh championship 2 cross...oh wait they do that anyway.. ;D
Quote from: screenexile on November 29, 2011, 02:08:27 PM
I don't agree with that system. If you are having an Ulster Intermediate Championship then it should be a level playing field for everyone. Culloville have been plying their trade all year against the likes of Cross, Pearse Og, Dromintee while Craigbane have been playing at a level below.
I think their should be a uniform way of grading Clubs across all counties.
I agree with this and there was a discussion on the board a few months ago also on the same topic. I think it's only fair that teams in each county are equally divided into the 3 grades, rather than the case in Armagh where teams can decide to drop down a level and the numbers aren't equal.
You then get the scenario of too many clubs in the JFC cos they don't want to go for the IFC, and too many teams in the IFC cos they don't want to go for the SFC.
Armagh and Culloville aren't alone though, I think it is the same case in Antrim, I know Aghagallon played Division 1 this year but were still in the Antrim IFC, also that O'Donnell's side who didn't go up to IFC despite winning the JFC the year before.
Don't think it has been mentioned but pretty sure you need to wait 5 years before regarding back down to intermediate again. Like ballymacnad won it in 06, and their were cries from some that their not fit for the senior after hardly winning a game since til this year, but then they got to the final this year ( handy enuf draw though, but still). Themselves and granemore only played their first ever div 1 campaign this year.
Culloville won the intermed in 98 i think so would have been in senior for many year until they went down around 06 or so. They probably though it was time to get a championship run again, and they did indeed lose 3 of the last 4 finals. Newtown won it in 99, but never had any luck in senior despite being a good div 1 team for a while. They only regarded themselves 2 years and won it first time of asking, yet they would be poor enuf outfit!
I thought you could only regrade in Armagh if you had gone winless in the championship for a number of years? I know we had this problem a few years back where we wanted to drop back to junior but had to wait another year. I also remember hearing that Ballyhegan wanted to drop from Senior to Junior (skipping intermediate) a few years ago but Im not sure if there was any truth in that.
What more can be said about Crossmaglen? the pride of Armagh & Ulster, both titles won comfortably & looking at what's left in the All Ireland series a 6th title will be won on the 17th of March.
If your a senior dropping to intermediate, you have to be accepted by a majority of the intermediate clubs i believe. same from intermediate to junior.
league tables in armagh dont tell the true story. most of the year when the league is played, the teams are without their best players.
when championship comes around they are a different side. look at armagh harps. they have had 3 seasons in division 2 now but its only 2 years since they were in the senior final and haven't been beat by anyone but the eventual winners of the championship (cross and pearse og) in 6 or 7 years.
and of course we are the second best side in ulster...sure we're the only team in ulster to beat cross in 6 years!!! :P
Quote from: pearseog on November 29, 2011, 10:45:04 PM
If your a senior dropping to intermediate, you have to be accepted by a majority of the intermediate clubs i believe. same from intermediate to junior.
league tables in armagh dont tell the true story. most of the year when the league is played, the teams are without their best players.
when championship comes around they are a different side. look at armagh harps. they have had 3 seasons in division 2 now but its only 2 years since they were in the senior final and haven't been beat by anyone but the eventual winners of the championship (cross and pearse og) in 6 or 7 years.
and of course we are the second best side in ulster...sure we're the only team in ulster to beat cross in 6 years!!! :P
And when ya had a chance to prove it, your balls dropped :-*
:D :D :D)
Culloville beat Cross this year in the league.
Edit: This argument about who is second best to Cross went on for years in Armagh. It's now moved on to Ulster. Pointless argument. The Cross ones can just sit back and laugh.
We all know who the second best team in Ulster is, Cross Rangers nos 16-30 :P
Quote from: pearseog on November 29, 2011, 10:45:04 PM
If your a senior dropping to intermediate, you have to be accepted by a majority of the intermediate clubs i believe. same from intermediate to junior.
league tables in armagh dont tell the true story. most of the year when the league is played, the teams are without their best players.when championship comes around they are a different side. look at armagh harps. they have had 3 seasons in division 2 now but its only 2 years since they were in the senior final and haven't been beat by anyone but the eventual winners of the championship (cross and pearse og) in 6 or 7 years.
and of course we are the second best side in ulster...sure we're the only team in ulster to beat cross in 6 years!!! :P
Sure you could say that about every county
Quote from: el_cuervo_fc on November 30, 2011, 08:21:21 AM
Culloville beat Cross this year in the league.
Edit: This argument about who is second best to Cross went on for years in Armagh. It's now moved on to Ulster. Pointless argument. The Cross ones can just sit back and laugh.
Incorrect.
However they were the only team to beat us in league or championship in 2010.
Quote from: crossfire on November 30, 2011, 10:45:51 AM
Quote from: el_cuervo_fc on November 30, 2011, 08:21:21 AM
Culloville beat Cross this year in the league.
Edit: This argument about who is second best to Cross went on for years in Armagh. It's now moved on to Ulster. Pointless argument. The Cross ones can just sit back and laugh.
Incorrect.
However they were the only team to beat us in league or championship in 2010.
So Craigbane are the 2nd best team in Ulster then (by 2010 standards) ;D
Quote from: HiMucker on November 29, 2011, 03:41:03 PM
Just read that all about the grading in Aramgh. Sounds fair enough if you win the championship you compete at senior the next year. Tyrone do this aswell, but the team is also promoted to the senior league. However i think its a bit of a joke that a team in the senior league can compete in the intermediate championship. How many seasons has culloville been in the top divison? And am I right in thinking that a team ccould in theory could win the divison one league 10 years on the trot but still be playing in the intermediate championship as they havent won it? Can the county board veto a teams request to downgrade if they think they are too strong?
The fact that culloville were in four finals in four years tells you that they were consistently at the top of intermediate in aramgh and should have been promoted.
It should definitely be streamlined, with the like of Culloville being made to play Senior. Were Clann Eireann not in Division 2 this year and yet they played Senior? As for the leagues not painting a true picture, most counties are in the same boat where alot of the teams are missing county players for the majority of the league.
Quote from: sheamy on November 30, 2011, 10:58:22 AM
Quote from: crossfire on November 30, 2011, 10:45:51 AM
Quote from: el_cuervo_fc on November 30, 2011, 08:21:21 AM
Culloville beat Cross this year in the league.
Edit: This argument about who is second best to Cross went on for years in Armagh. It's now moved on to Ulster. Pointless argument. The Cross ones can just sit back and laugh.
Incorrect.
However they were the only team to beat us in league or championship in 2010.
So Craigbane are the 2nd best team in Ulster then (by 2010 standards) ;D
4th. Sarsfields and Maghery both beat them ;)
Quote from: fitzroyalty on November 30, 2011, 11:43:39 AM
Quote from: sheamy on November 30, 2011, 10:58:22 AM
Quote from: crossfire on November 30, 2011, 10:45:51 AM
Quote from: el_cuervo_fc on November 30, 2011, 08:21:21 AM
Culloville beat Cross this year in the league.
Edit: This argument about who is second best to Cross went on for years in Armagh. It's now moved on to Ulster. Pointless argument. The Cross ones can just sit back and laugh.
Incorrect.
However they were the only team to beat us in league or championship in 2010.
So Craigbane are the 2nd best team in Ulster then (by 2010 standards) ;D
4th. Sarsfields and Maghery both beat them ;)
It's getting confusing. Are we still number1.
I think (could be wrong) that ballyhegan played senior this year from (the very bottom of) division 3 this year
Quote from: DuffleKing on November 30, 2011, 08:05:51 PM
I think (could be wrong) that ballyhegan played senior this year from (the very bottom of) division 3 this year
no they were intermediate.
its unfair though to have teams, that when full strength with county players are senior standard playing intermediate championship just because they dont have their players available all year
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 30, 2011, 11:05:18 AM
As for the leagues not painting a true picture, most counties are in the same boat where alot of the teams are missing county players for the majority of the league.
Perhaps then most counties should consider adopting Armagh's league-unlinked championship system.
Quote from: DuffleKing on November 30, 2011, 08:05:51 PM
I think (could be wrong) that ballyhegan played senior this year from (the very bottom of) division 3 this year
Think it must be 10 years since Ballyhegan were senior. Think we drew Cross in the first round a couple of times... rattled them early on one year, with an early goal & held them to 8 or 9 points I think.