Poor form that we are being lumped into the UK thread, so here's a more politically correct one. Leaders debate on UTV was pure car crash telly though I'm interested to know what the SDLP MLA was doing in Afghanistan courtesy of the Brit Ministry of 'Defence'. It's a long way from Crumlin Thomas.
Aye I was rthinkin same thing, that came out of nowhere. He didnt half keep battering away about it either!
Quote from: cabra_harps on April 23, 2010, 01:28:06 AM
Aye I was rthinkin same thing, that came out of nowhere. He didnt half keep battering away about it either!
To be fair he was asked has he ever been in the IRA. After being asked that for 20 years I'll lt him away with this one.
Quote from: cabra_harps on April 23, 2010, 01:28:06 AM
Aye I was rthinkin same thing, that came out of nowhere. He didnt half keep battering away about it either!
yeah and it had nothing to do with the election either. He's an asshole of the highest order
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on April 23, 2010, 08:36:06 AM
Quote from: cabra_harps on April 23, 2010, 01:28:06 AM
Aye I was rthinkin same thing, that came out of nowhere. He didnt half keep battering away about it either!
yeah and it had nothing to do with the election either. He's an asshole of the highest order
How does a relevation about the political sympathies of a major party in the North have "nothing to do with the election."
Been one disaster after another for the SDLP so far, first McKinney's cringeworthy performance, Ritchie at the Labour conference in Galway, airbrushing photographs, Ritchie again last night and then the BBC taking the piss out of their white coats on Hearts and Minds. Looks like they are self-imploding. SF, FF and Alasdair McDonnell must be laughing themselves silly.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 23, 2010, 08:40:15 AM
How does a relevation about the political sympathies of a major party in the North have "nothing to do with the election."
Just because.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 23, 2010, 08:40:15 AM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on April 23, 2010, 08:36:06 AM
Quote from: cabra_harps on April 23, 2010, 01:28:06 AM
Aye I was rthinkin same thing, that came out of nowhere. He didnt half keep battering away about it either!
yeah and it had nothing to do with the election either. He's an asshole of the highest order
How does a relevation about the political sympathies of a major party in the North have "nothing to do with the election."
What, 1 MLA was in Iraq to see what British forces were doing? How does that translate into " the political sympathies of a major party in the North"? What has Iraq got to do with the election here? Are there not many more far more important things for the electorate to judge people on? Like, if a politician has/had links with murdering bastards? Or if they repeatedly lie about their background? Or what about economics? no, none of that matters to the provos
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on April 23, 2010, 08:47:54 AM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 23, 2010, 08:40:15 AM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on April 23, 2010, 08:36:06 AM
Quote from: cabra_harps on April 23, 2010, 01:28:06 AM
Aye I was rthinkin same thing, that came out of nowhere. He didnt half keep battering away about it either!
yeah and it had nothing to do with the election either. He's an asshole of the highest order
How does a relevation about the political sympathies of a major party in the North have "nothing to do with the election."
What, 1 MLA was in Iraq to see what British forces were doing? How does that translate into " the political sympathies of a major party in the North"? What has Iraq got to do with the election here? Are there not many more far more important things for the electorate to judge people on? Like, if a politician has/had links with murdering b**tards? Or if they repeatedly lie about their background? Or what about economics? no, none of that matters to the provos
But I thought you said the trip to Iraq had nothing to do with the election?
If that's the best you can do...
::)
Was it not Afganistan?
Young Irish men and women are joining the British Army to go and kill and be Killed half way across the world. I think the electorate have a right to ask questions on the matter especially in a Westminster election.
Rolling your eyes doesn't really pass for political debate ardmhachaabu. I think it was actually Afghanistan Adams mentioned rather than Iraq. In any case, the point still stands, its relevant and its a perfectly legitimate topic for political discussion. Both economics and Adams links to the IRA were discussed in the debate last night so I don't really understand what your gripe is.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 23, 2010, 08:57:50 AM
Rolling your eyes doesn't really pass for political debate ardmhachaabu. I think it was actually Afghanistan Adams mentioned rather than Iraq. In any case, the point still stands, its relevant and its a perfectly legitimate topic for political discussion. Both economics and Adams links to the IRA were discussed in the debate last night so I don't really understand what your gripe is.
What difference does Afghanistan or Iraq have to people in the north?
Incidentally, following Adams's words like a sheep doesn't mean you are engaging in political debate. It means you are a sheep who can't think for yourself
Baaaaa
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on April 23, 2010, 08:47:54 AM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 23, 2010, 08:40:15 AM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on April 23, 2010, 08:36:06 AM
Quote from: cabra_harps on April 23, 2010, 01:28:06 AM
Aye I was rthinkin same thing, that came out of nowhere. He didnt half keep battering away about it either!
yeah and it had nothing to do with the election either. He's an asshole of the highest order
How does a relevation about the political sympathies of a major party in the North have "nothing to do with the election."
What, 1 MLA was in Iraq to see what British forces were doing? How does that translate into " the political sympathies of a major party in the North"? What has Iraq got to do with the election here? Are there not many more far more important things for the electorate to judge people on? Like, if a politician has/had links with murdering b**tards? Or if they repeatedly lie about their background? Or what about economics? no, none of that matters to the provos
No doubt I'll not get a response to this because you are too mature and intelligent to reply to me of late but I'll reply to your post anyway. Whether you accept it or not, the IRA were only one side in the conflict in Ireland. The British Army were another. As a result, a member of the stoops running away to Afghanistan courtesy of the MoD
IS an issue of relevance.
Anyone else hear Green Party North Down candidate Agnew on Nolan this morning? One of the most pitiful political displays I've ever heard.
He was on after 10 o'clock if anyone wants a listen, but be prepared to cringe.
The Brits fucked up by wining and dining yer SDLP man in Afghanistan ... they should have invited Ritchie instead, the Taliban would have been sprinting down from the mountains with their hands up or detonating their suicide vests en masse once that idiot started into her spiel
Quote from: Nally Stand on April 23, 2010, 06:21:13 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on April 23, 2010, 08:47:54 AM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 23, 2010, 08:40:15 AM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on April 23, 2010, 08:36:06 AM
Quote from: cabra_harps on April 23, 2010, 01:28:06 AM
Aye I was rthinkin same thing, that came out of nowhere. He didnt half keep battering away about it either!
yeah and it had nothing to do with the election either. He's an asshole of the highest order
How does a relevation about the political sympathies of a major party in the North have "nothing to do with the election."
What, 1 MLA was in Iraq to see what British forces were doing? How does that translate into " the political sympathies of a major party in the North"? What has Iraq got to do with the election here? Are there not many more far more important things for the electorate to judge people on? Like, if a politician has/had links with murdering b**tards? Or if they repeatedly lie about their background? Or what about economics? no, none of that matters to the provos
No doubt I'll not get a response to this because you are too mature and intelligent to reply to me of late but I'll reply to your post anyway. Whether you accept it or not, the IRA were only one side in the conflict in Ireland. The British Army were another. As a result, a member of the stoops running away to Afghanistan courtesy of the MoD IS an issue of relevance.
Only to stupid shinners who can't see what really matters like hospitals, the health service, the economy and actually helping constituents with problems that they have. This shit of abstentionism they only adopt for Westminster now, they have gladly accepted their role in the administration of the north as partners along with the DUP. To say there is no difference between sitting in 1 British establishment and another is such bullshit only a shinner could have come out with it.
As someone else said, they are only out for themselves. I was out when they called to seek my vote and I really wish I hadn't been. Shower of shit
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on April 23, 2010, 07:34:32 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on April 23, 2010, 06:21:13 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on April 23, 2010, 08:47:54 AM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 23, 2010, 08:40:15 AM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on April 23, 2010, 08:36:06 AM
Quote from: cabra_harps on April 23, 2010, 01:28:06 AM
Aye I was rthinkin same thing, that came out of nowhere. He didnt half keep battering away about it either!
yeah and it had nothing to do with the election either. He's an asshole of the highest order
How does a relevation about the political sympathies of a major party in the North have "nothing to do with the election."
What, 1 MLA was in Iraq to see what British forces were doing? How does that translate into " the political sympathies of a major party in the North"? What has Iraq got to do with the election here? Are there not many more far more important things for the electorate to judge people on? Like, if a politician has/had links with murdering b**tards? Or if they repeatedly lie about their background? Or what about economics? no, none of that matters to the provos
No doubt I'll not get a response to this because you are too mature and intelligent to reply to me of late but I'll reply to your post anyway. Whether you accept it or not, the IRA were only one side in the conflict in Ireland. The British Army were another. As a result, a member of the stoops running away to Afghanistan courtesy of the MoD IS an issue of relevance.
Only to stupid shinners who can't see what really matters like hospitals, the health service, the economy and actually helping constituents with problems that they have. This shit of abstentionism they only adopt for Westminster now, they have gladly accepted their role in the administration of the north as partners along with the DUP. To say there is no difference between sitting in 1 British establishment and another is such bullshit only a shinner could have come out with it.
As someone else said, they are only out for themselves. I was out when they called to seek my vote and I really wish I hadn't been. Shower of shit
A response which once again demonstrates your level of maturity.
Have you never got the hint yet from the amount of people who have noted that your replies to posts rarely even deal with the points made by the poster you are replying to, but rather you tend to come out with insults and trash talk (and often run away and ignore people)?
Not once in your reply to me did you refer to the actual point of discussion (ie the MoD, the SDLP and their 'man in Afghan').
If you wish to change the subject to abstentionism from Westminster can I make a number of points? Firstly, one issue that prevents SF from sitting in Westminster is taking an oath of allegiance to a British Monarch. As an Irish republican party it would make them hypocritical to take such an oath. Furthermore, unlike the SDLP, Sinn Fein are open about their abstentionism. On a final point, the assembly is an institution which deals with the majority of day to day issues here on the Island of Ireland which cannot be said for Westminster. It is also not merely a british institution as unlike Westminster, it is intertwined with an All-Ireland cross border body. You may not like that fact and think SF are being hypocrites but unfortunately for you, their stance is vindicated by the huge level of electoral support in comparison to the SDLPs. But of course everyone is stupid except you and the declining number of SDLP voters out there eh?? SF have a mandate, maybe it's time you learnt to respect that?
NS, see right at the end of the post I replied to? You posted a statement and I answered it
Oh and I will never respect murderers, liars and thieves
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on April 23, 2010, 08:08:58 PM
I will never respect murderers, liars and thieves
AGAIN A MATURE RESPONSE Please try to engage in debate some day will you??
Though I'm glad we're finally getting back to the original topic of discussion (the MoD/British Army). Would you then condemn the sdlp's involvement with these murderers, liars and thiefs through their man in Afghan?
I am giving my opinion of the shinners, if you don't like what I say I suggest you ignore me because I will never say anythng good about them.
Do you understand? I am trying to make it as simple as possible for you because you obviously need everything spelt out to you
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on April 23, 2010, 08:23:17 PM
I am giving my opinion of the shinners, if you don't like what I say I suggest you ignore me because I will never say anythng good about them.
Do you understand? I am trying to make it as simple as possible for you because you obviously need everything spelt out to you
Ignore you? No this is a discussion board. Unlike you I don't resort to childish tactics. And I didnt ask you to say anything 'nice' about SF. Enough people out there vote for them to vindicate their politics.
What I
am asking of you is that you stop being a coward and discuss the points I have raised about the SDLP. To assist you with this request, I'll repost my main quotes for you below:
"If you wish to change the subject to abstentionism from Westminster can I make a number of points? Firstly, one issue that prevents SF from sitting in Westminster is taking an oath of allegiance to a British Monarch. As an Irish republican party it would make them hypocritical to take such an oath. Furthermore, unlike the SDLP, Sinn Fein are open about their abstentionism. On a final point, the assembly is an institution which deals with the majority of day to day issues here on the Island of Ireland which cannot be said for Westminster. It is also not merely a british institution as unlike Westminster, it is intertwined with an All-Ireland cross border body.""Whether you accept it or not, the IRA were only one side in the conflict in Ireland. The British Army were another. As a result, a member of the stoops running away to Afghanistan courtesy of the MoD IS an issue of relevance.""Would you then condemn the sdlp's involvement with these murderers, liars and thiefs through their man in Afghan?"
NS, can you not read? I already replied to you on that
Quit with the childish routine of continually asking the same questions because you don't like the replies you get and read what people are saying
Over to you and as I said, don't repeat your question again
Got it?
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on April 23, 2010, 08:37:21 PM
NS, can you not read? I already replied to you on that
Quit with the childish routine of continually asking the same questions because you don't like the replies you get and read what people are saying
Over to you and as I said, don't repeat your question again
Got it?
Well do me the honour of quoting to me where you replied to me on MY POINTS regarding:
1. Abstentionism
2. The assmebly not being a plain and simple british institution
3. The SDLP's afghan link
I must not be able to read because I cannot see anywhere where you sepcifically replied to points I made on these topics. So again, please quote your (invisible) replies again which relate to my issues on these topics
I already made my position clear on abstentionism, did you not read it?
The assembly is a british institution, they pay for it and pay for all the lazy MLAs
1 SDLP MLA went to Afghanistan - for that we have Adams's word for now, given that it happened, it doesn't amount to anything real which wil change anyone's life in the north
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on April 23, 2010, 09:12:32 PM
I already made my position clear on abstentionism, did you not read it?
The assembly is a british institution, they pay for it and pay for all the lazy MLAs
1 SDLP MLA went to Afghanistan - for that we have Adams's word for now, given that it happened, it doesn't amount to anything real which wil change anyone's life in the north
Firstly, considering that is the FIRST mention you made of the afghan connection and the first mention you made IN RESPONSE to my points about the assembly and abstentionism, will you now admit that you were being dishonest when you claimed to have responded on these issues before now? Or have you already admitted it in your lack of quotes from these responses of yours which I asked you to provide perhaps. Please note that your mention of abstentionism was a topic YOU brought up, and I have asked you for
your replies to my response to the initial point you made on the issue.
And for the sake of continuing the discussion on these topics (saying as it took so long to get you to this stage) can I ask you do you understand my point on why SF abstain in Westminster and not from the assembly? (I know you dont like me repeating my own quotes so I trust that you will go back and read my explanation as to why they abstain from one and not the other.)
As for afghanistan, it does amount to something. The SDLP claim to be opposed to the war in Afghanistan, so I ask you three questions in this regard:
1. How is this SDLP action consistent with their stated position?
2. How can the SDLP expect people to trust them in Westminster if their actions are directly contradictory to their stated policy on Afghanistan?
3. If, as you say, this trip to Afghanistan has no impact on life in the north of Ireland, WHY are the SDLP then working with the MoD in Afghanistan????
I await your specific answers to the five questions in this post with interest.
If you read what I have already typed you will have no need to constantly ask the same things
Thanks
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on April 23, 2010, 09:33:40 PM
If you read what I have already typed you will have no need to constantly ask the same things
Thanks
Running away again then ::)
I wish someone would tell Gerry that it's Westminster and not Westminister.
I thought Gerry's version had longer esses in it.
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 23, 2010, 11:42:39 PM
I wish someone would tell Gerry that it's Westminster and not Westminister.
Read that in the Irish News as well but can't say I noticed it last night. Think I probably say it like that myself bit sure at the end of the day it's some place over there so who gives a f**k.
I didn't even notice that actually, not that it matters much though. I see there's a typical SF/SDLP debate started in the room already tho, that didn't take long! What was the craic with the guy in Afghanistan though? That came across wile!
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on April 23, 2010, 07:34:32 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on April 23, 2010, 06:21:13 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on April 23, 2010, 08:47:54 AM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 23, 2010, 08:40:15 AM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on April 23, 2010, 08:36:06 AM
Quote from: cabra_harps on April 23, 2010, 01:28:06 AM
Aye I was rthinkin same thing, that came out of nowhere. He didnt half keep battering away about it either!
yeah and it had nothing to do with the election either. He's an asshole of the highest order
How does a relevation about the political sympathies of a major party in the North have "nothing to do with the election."
What, 1 MLA was in Iraq to see what British forces were doing? How does that translate into " the political sympathies of a major party in the North"? What has Iraq got to do with the election here? Are there not many more far more important things for the electorate to judge people on? Like, if a politician has/had links with murdering b**tards? Or if they repeatedly lie about their background? Or what about economics? no, none of that matters to the provos
No doubt I'll not get a response to this because you are too mature and intelligent to reply to me of late but I'll reply to your post anyway. Whether you accept it or not, the IRA were only one side in the conflict in Ireland. The British Army were another. As a result, a member of the stoops running away to Afghanistan courtesy of the MoD IS an issue of relevance.
Only to stupid shinners who can't see what really matters like hospitals, the health service, the economy and actually helping constituents with problems that they have. This shit of abstentionism they only adopt for Westminster now, they have gladly accepted their role in the administration of the north as partners along with the DUP. To say there is no difference between sitting in 1 British establishment and another is such bullshit only a shinner could have come out with it.
As someone else said, they are only out for themselves. I was out when they called to seek my vote and I really wish I hadn't been. Shower of shit
Why what would you have done had you been at home?
Sprinkled Holy Water on them no doubt.
Coming for Margaret:
(http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/images/tile/2010/0424/1224269035206_1.jpg)
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on April 23, 2010, 05:14:28 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 23, 2010, 08:57:50 AM
Rolling your eyes doesn't really pass for political debate ardmhachaabu. I think it was actually Afghanistan Adams mentioned rather than Iraq. In any case, the point still stands, its relevant and its a perfectly legitimate topic for political discussion. Both economics and Adams links to the IRA were discussed in the debate last night so I don't really understand what your gripe is.
What difference does Afghanistan or Iraq have to people in the north?
Incidentally, following Adams's words like a sheep doesn't mean you are engaging in political debate. It means you are a sheep who can't think for yourself
Baaaaa
Surely thousands of innocent civilians dying for no justifiable reason is of interest to any right thinking person in the 6 counties? Could you explain to me why everybody in the north shouldn't care?
And as for your final remarks, I think its worth pointing out that my publically stated position on this board is that I refuse to vote for Sinn Féin on a point of principle, a similar position to the one I took up at the last election.
Of course, I realise it may be somewhat difficult for you to understand that refusing to adhere to your vehemently anti-SF position doesn't automatically make me one of Adams' acolytes.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 24, 2010, 03:03:36 AM
Surely thousands of innocent civilians dying for no justifiable reason is of interest to any right thinking person in the 6 counties? Could you explain to me why everybody in the north shouldn't care?
And as for your final remarks, I think its worth pointing out that my publically stated position on this board is that I refuse to vote for Sinn Féin on a point of principle, a similar position to the one I took up at the last election.
Of course, I realise it may be somewhat difficult for you to understand that refusing to adhere to your vehemently anti-SF position doesn't automatically make me one of Adams' acolytes.
TAM, I am not saying that people shouldn't care about innocent civilians dying, I just think that there are more important political issues which face the electorate here which are being ignored over throwaway comments from Adams which have yet to be quantified. I mean, what exactly was the nature of the visit? Who issued the invitation? Has anyone asked the MLA concerned what his thinking was? All I have seen on here are people repeating what Adams said like sheep
I hve never seen your stated position on shinners before and i will admit I assumed you were another of the armchair brigade on here. Apologies for that
reddgnhand Why do you assume I wouldn't say directly to any of them what I have said on here about them? I have quite a few times. I wouldn't say something here I wouldn't say to any of their faces
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on April 24, 2010, 09:26:40 AM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 24, 2010, 03:03:36 AM
Surely thousands of innocent civilians dying for no justifiable reason is of interest to any right thinking person in the 6 counties? Could you explain to me why everybody in the north shouldn't care?
And as for your final remarks, I think its worth pointing out that my publically stated position on this board is that I refuse to vote for Sinn Féin on a point of principle, a similar position to the one I took up at the last election.
Of course, I realise it may be somewhat difficult for you to understand that refusing to adhere to your vehemently anti-SF position doesn't automatically make me one of Adams' acolytes.
TAM, I am not saying that people shouldn't care about innocent civilians dying, I just think that there are more important political issues which face the electorate here which are being ignored over throwaway comments from Adams which have yet to be quantified. I mean, what exactly was the nature of the visit? Who issued the invitation? Has anyone asked the MLA concerned what his thinking was? All I have seen on here are people repeating what Adams said like sheep
I hve never seen your stated position on shinners before and i will admit I assumed you were another of the armchair brigade on here. Apologies for that
reddgnhand Why do you assume I wouldn't say directly to any of them what I have said on here about them? I have quite a few times. I wouldn't say something here I wouldn't say to any of their faces
Do you not realise that you are insulting so many people's intelligence with your ascertions that those who vote for SF cannot think for themselves. I know many who do and those people do not just accept SF policies to the letter but instead have a mature debate on the merits of policies.
You seem to have so much disdain for SF and their voters but I wonder have you ever gone to any of their public debates and insulted their members in a public arena, which there have been many occasions to do over the last few months, or are you just happy enough to sit behind a computer screen protected by anonymity to make your vile and hate filled points?
BTW I was at one of these meetings and Adams was questioned on many issues, some not always agreed with but there was mature discussion none the less - something severely lacking in your posts!
Aoise, I refer you to what I said already
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on April 24, 2010, 09:26:40 AM
I wouldn't say something here I wouldn't say to any of their faces
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on April 24, 2010, 09:26:40 AM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 24, 2010, 03:03:36 AM
Surely thousands of innocent civilians dying for no justifiable reason is of interest to any right thinking person in the 6 counties? Could you explain to me why everybody in the north shouldn't care?
And as for your final remarks, I think its worth pointing out that my publically stated position on this board is that I refuse to vote for Sinn Féin on a point of principle, a similar position to the one I took up at the last election.
Of course, I realise it may be somewhat difficult for you to understand that refusing to adhere to your vehemently anti-SF position doesn't automatically make me one of Adams' acolytes.
TAM, I am not saying that people shouldn't care about innocent civilians dying, I just think that there are more important political issues which face the electorate here which are being ignored over throwaway comments from Adams which have yet to be quantified. I mean, what exactly was the nature of the visit? Who issued the invitation? Has anyone asked the MLA concerned what his thinking was? All I have seen on here are people repeating what Adams said like sheep
I hve never seen your stated position on shinners before and i will admit I assumed you were another of the armchair brigade on here. Apologies for that
reddgnhand Why do you assume I wouldn't say directly to any of them what I have said on here about them? I have quite a few times. I wouldn't say something here I wouldn't say to any of their faces
I didnt assume anything I was interested in what the conversation might be on your doorstep had you been at home thats all.
Quote from: Nally Stand on April 23, 2010, 08:19:48 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on April 23, 2010, 08:08:58 PM
I will never respect murderers, liars and thieves
AGAIN A MATURE RESPONSE Please try to engage in debate some day will you??
Though I'm glad we're finally getting back to the original topic of discussion (the MoD/British Army). Would you then condemn the sdlp's involvement with these murderers, liars and thiefs through their man in Afghan?
Sinn Fein would know plenty about being involved with murderers, liars and thieves. Think IRA !!
In Derry the Voters can opt for Carmela Soprano...
(http://www.niassembly.gov.uk/members/pics07/anderson_m.jpg)
Martina Anderson
(http://www.tlntv.com/sopranos/cast/castimgs/carmella2.jpg)
Quote from: Doogie Browser on April 30, 2010, 09:35:28 AM
In Derry the Voters can opt for Carmela Soprano...
(http://www.niassembly.gov.uk/members/pics07/anderson_m.jpg)
Martina Anderson
(http://www.tlntv.com/sopranos/cast/castimgs/carmella2.jpg)
Martina only looks good beside Bairbre and Mary Lou
Quote from: reddgnhand on April 24, 2010, 01:36:03 AM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on April 23, 2010, 07:34:32 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on April 23, 2010, 06:21:13 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on April 23, 2010, 08:47:54 AM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 23, 2010, 08:40:15 AM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on April 23, 2010, 08:36:06 AM
Quote from: cabra_harps on April 23, 2010, 01:28:06 AM
Aye I was rthinkin same thing, that came out of nowhere. He didnt half keep battering away about it either!
yeah and it had nothing to do with the election either. He's an asshole of the highest order
How does a relevation about the political sympathies of a major party in the North have "nothing to do with the election."
What, 1 MLA was in Iraq to see what British forces were doing? How does that translate into " the political sympathies of a major party in the North"? What has Iraq got to do with the election here? Are there not many more far more important things for the electorate to judge people on? Like, if a politician has/had links with murdering b**tards? Or if they repeatedly lie about their background? Or what about economics? no, none of that matters to the provos
No doubt I'll not get a response to this because you are too mature and intelligent to reply to me of late but I'll reply to your post anyway. Whether you accept it or not, the IRA were only one side in the conflict in Ireland. The British Army were another. As a result, a member of the stoops running away to Afghanistan courtesy of the MoD IS an issue of relevance.
Only to stupid shinners who can't see what really matters like hospitals, the health service, the economy and actually helping constituents with problems that they have. This shit of abstentionism they only adopt for Westminster now, they have gladly accepted their role in the administration of the north as partners along with the DUP. To say there is no difference between sitting in 1 British establishment and another is such bullshit only a shinner could have come out with it.
As someone else said, they are only out for themselves. I was out when they called to seek my vote and I really wish I hadn't been. Shower of shit
Why what would you have done had you been at home?
he takes after his uncle,talks a good game then runs away
Saw a cracking debate on TV last night between Ian Paisley jnr and (I think) Jim Alister....... boy do they despise each other. Magnificent stuff. The SFer and SDLP lads also went at each other but not a patch on the other two.
The host couldn't control them at all. Have to say IP Jnr didn't come out of it too bad.
Quote from: Canalman on April 30, 2010, 12:22:50 PM
Saw a cracking debate on TV last night between Ian Paisley jnr and (I think) Jim Alister....... boy do they despise each other. Magnificent stuff. The SFer and SDLP lads also went at each other but not a patch on the other two.
The host couldn't control them at all. Have to say IP Jnr didn't come out of it too bad.
seen it also, and I tell you if I lived in the north antrim area I would vote DUP to try and make sure that header didn't get in. A dino of hate if ever I saw one.
Quote from: shawshank on April 30, 2010, 12:52:36 PM
Quote from: Canalman on April 30, 2010, 12:22:50 PM
Saw a cracking debate on TV last night between Ian Paisley jnr and (I think) Jim Alister....... boy do they despise each other. Magnificent stuff. The SFer and SDLP lads also went at each other but not a patch on the other two.
The host couldn't control them at all. Have to say IP Jnr didn't come out of it too bad.
seen it also, and I tell you if I lived in the north antrim area I would vote DUP to try and make sure that header didn't get in. A dino of hate if ever I saw one.
What station was it on?
Were they talking policies or just taking pucks out of each other?
Paudie has packed it in with the Shinners !
A Sinn Fein councillor has resigned from the party.
Padraig McShane had a reputation as a firebrand after he swore, kicked a chair and walked out of a council meeting in Ballycastle a year ago.
In a statement on Friday, he said he was leaving Sinn Fein. But he remained tight lipped about the reason why.
He said that his decision followed "certain allegations" which might be taken up by "certain hostile media elements".
"My adjudication on this matter leads me to believe that those hostile elements within the media would use any allegation to attack my party and the job of work it has undertaken," he said.
It is understood he will remain as a councillor representing the Glens District in Moyle Council.
At a meeting of the council, a year ago, Mr McShane swore and was abusive during a debate chaired by Ulster Unionist Willie Graham.
He kicked a chair as he walked out of the chamber.
Later he apologised for his behaviour but said that he had been dealing with "an extremely emotive issue".
He was unavailable for comment on Friday, leaving only a message on his mobile phone to say that he was "up a ladder".
Quote from: johnneycool on April 30, 2010, 01:43:01 PM
Were they talking policies or just taking pucks out of each other?
No policies discussed. Just laid into each other personally. Court cases mentioned, famillies insulted, allegations of corruption etc. Just chanced on it by accident........ brilliant tv and hope it makes it way to YouTube.
Think it was on UTV.
Quote from: Canalman on April 30, 2010, 12:22:50 PM
Saw a cracking debate on TV last night between Ian Paisley jnr and (I think) Jim Alister....... boy do they despise each other. Magnificent stuff. The SFer and SDLP lads also went at each other but not a patch on the other two.
The host couldn't control them at all. Have to say IP Jnr didn't come out of it too bad.
"The Good Lord gave us two ears, one mouth. Use them to that proportion" Ian Paisly Jr to Jim Allistar! :D
Quote from: ziggysego on April 30, 2010, 05:22:32 PM
Quote from: Canalman on April 30, 2010, 12:22:50 PM
Saw a cracking debate on TV last night between Ian Paisley jnr and (I think) Jim Alister....... boy do they despise each other. Magnificent stuff. The SFer and SDLP lads also went at each other but not a patch on the other two.
The host couldn't control them at all. Have to say IP Jnr didn't come out of it too bad.
"The Good Lord gave us two ears, one mouth. Use them to that proportion" Ian Paisly Jr to Jim Allistar! :D
Great quote wasn't it, oul Ian was firing on all cylinders! :D
Can I put it out now, please any nationalist/republican and any like minded person, would you please vote Gerry Kelly number one, your only one. Lets try and get that ignorant, anti-GAA, anti-Irish language p***k Nigel Dodds out as our MP. It's been too long.
I dunno, boys, them two blades in Derry should get the auld voting numbers up. Pity they couldn't select ones like that in East Derry.
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on May 01, 2010, 02:30:57 AM
Can I put it out now, please any nationalist/republican and any like minded person, would you please vote Gerry Kelly number one, your only one. Lets try and get that ignorant, anti-GAA, anti-Irish language p***k Nigel Dodds out as our MP. It's been too long.
Is this a piss-take? Putting a 1 on the ballot would be a spoiled vote would it not?
Quote from: Ulick on May 01, 2010, 10:27:54 AM
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on May 01, 2010, 02:30:57 AM
Can I put it out now, please any nationalist/republican and any like minded person, would you please vote Gerry Kelly number one, your only one. Lets try and get that ignorant, anti-GAA, anti-Irish language p***k Nigel Dodds out as our MP. It's been too long.
Is this a piss-take? Putting a 1 on the ballot would be a spoiled vote would it not?
X, tick, you know what I mean, just get out and vote Gerry K.
Although that would be difficult for you in SB! ;)
Burning questions about SDLP Tommy and his Afghan adventure paid for by the British Army
BY JOHN HEDGES
THE SDLP seems to have signed its own unofficial Official Secrets Act about SDLP MLA Thomas Burns's visit to British troops in Afghanistan.
In the Assembly members' of interests, the South Antrim lists that:
"In September 2008, I visited Afghanistan on a fact-finding trip to observe military operations and reconstruction efforts in the region. The cost was met by the Ministry of Defence."
When Gerry Adams raised Tommy's Afghan adventure during the UTV Leaders' Debate last week, SDLP leader Margaret Ritchie was dumbfounded. She sat silent.
I can't find any mention of the Afghan adventure on any of Tommy's websites and there does not appear to be any press releases about the SDLP man's military adventure with the British Army.
So these questions remain unanswered by Tommy Burns and the SDLP:–
• What are the details?
• Who proposed the visit – the SDLP or the British Army?
• Who else was on the trip?
• What was the duration of the trip?
• What exactly did it entail?
• Who did the SDLP man meet in Afghanistan?
• What were Tommy's arrangements with the British Army?
• Which "military operations" did he observe?
• Which "reconstruction efforts" did he observe?
• What was the benefit of the trip?
• What has happened since as a product of the trip?
• Why is the SDLP so coy about this?
• Will it need a Freedom of Information Act enquiry to find out what Tommy did with the British Army then and since?
http://www.anphoblacht.com/news/detail/39833 (http://www.anphoblacht.com/news/detail/39833)
Quote from: Ulick on May 01, 2010, 10:27:54 AM
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on May 01, 2010, 02:30:57 AM
Can I put it out now, please any nationalist/republican and any like minded person, would you please vote Gerry Kelly number one, your only one. Lets try and get that ignorant, anti-GAA, anti-Irish language p***k Nigel Dodds out as our MP. It's been too long.
Is this a piss-take? Putting a 1 on the ballot would be a spoiled vote would it not?
s 1 in a box iwill still be counted, as long as you mark only 1 box.
Quote from: Ulick on May 01, 2010, 11:06:19 PM
Burning questions about SDLP Tommy and his Afghan adventure paid for by the British Army
BY JOHN HEDGES
THE SDLP seems to have signed its own unofficial Official Secrets Act about SDLP MLA Thomas Burns's visit to British troops in Afghanistan.
In the Assembly members' of interests, the South Antrim lists that:
"In September 2008, I visited Afghanistan on a fact-finding trip to observe military operations and reconstruction efforts in the region. The cost was met by the Ministry of Defence."
When Gerry Adams raised Tommy's Afghan adventure during the UTV Leaders' Debate last week, SDLP leader Margaret Ritchie was dumbfounded. She sat silent.
I can't find any mention of the Afghan adventure on any of Tommy's websites and there does not appear to be any press releases about the SDLP man's military adventure with the British Army.
So these questions remain unanswered by Tommy Burns and the SDLP:–
• What are the details?
• Who proposed the visit – the SDLP or the British Army?
• Who else was on the trip?
• What was the duration of the trip?
• What exactly did it entail?
• Who did the SDLP man meet in Afghanistan?
• What were Tommy's arrangements with the British Army?
• Which "military operations" did he observe?
• Which "reconstruction efforts" did he observe?
• What was the benefit of the trip?
• What has happened since as a product of the trip?
• Why is the SDLP so coy about this?
• Will it need a Freedom of Information Act enquiry to find out what Tommy did with the British Army then and since?
http://www.anphoblacht.com/news/detail/39833 (http://www.anphoblacht.com/news/detail/39833)
Why are the Shinners getting so excited about Tommy's MOD trip? Since SF is currently in the business of administering British rule in the 6 counties, and taking the Queen's shilling for doing so, why would they look down their noses at somebody going out for a jolly to inspect the handiwork of Her Maj's troops? Are they miffed they weren't invited?
Apparently someone sporting a beard and wearing an Aran sweater was seen looking at a 3 bedroom cave in Tora Bora :D
Quote from: Myles Na G. on May 02, 2010, 10:43:41 AM
Quote from: Ulick on May 01, 2010, 11:06:19 PM
Burning questions about SDLP Tommy and his Afghan adventure paid for by the British Army
BY JOHN HEDGES
THE SDLP seems to have signed its own unofficial Official Secrets Act about SDLP MLA Thomas Burns's visit to British troops in Afghanistan.
In the Assembly members' of interests, the South Antrim lists that:
"In September 2008, I visited Afghanistan on a fact-finding trip to observe military operations and reconstruction efforts in the region. The cost was met by the Ministry of Defence."
When Gerry Adams raised Tommy's Afghan adventure during the UTV Leaders' Debate last week, SDLP leader Margaret Ritchie was dumbfounded. She sat silent.
I can't find any mention of the Afghan adventure on any of Tommy's websites and there does not appear to be any press releases about the SDLP man's military adventure with the British Army.
So these questions remain unanswered by Tommy Burns and the SDLP:–
• What are the details?
• Who proposed the visit – the SDLP or the British Army?
• Who else was on the trip?
• What was the duration of the trip?
• What exactly did it entail?
• Who did the SDLP man meet in Afghanistan?
• What were Tommy's arrangements with the British Army?
• Which "military operations" did he observe?
• Which "reconstruction efforts" did he observe?
• What was the benefit of the trip?
• What has happened since as a product of the trip?
• Why is the SDLP so coy about this?
• Will it need a Freedom of Information Act enquiry to find out what Tommy did with the British Army then and since?
http://www.anphoblacht.com/news/detail/39833 (http://www.anphoblacht.com/news/detail/39833)
Why are the Shinners getting so excited about Tommy's MOD trip? Since SF is currently in the business of administering British rule in the 6 counties, and taking the Queen's shilling for doing so, why would they look down their noses at somebody going out for a jolly to inspect the handiwork of Her Maj's troops? Are they miffed they weren't invited?
...also very cosy with Bush and his ilk when they were laying into Iraqi civilians. Eeven once not going to the St Patrick's day party in protest at their foreign policy might have made a statement.
People like Eamonn McCann and George Galoway are only ones here and in Britain really put it up to the government and US over this.
What constituency is Tommy Burns running in for this election? Or is this just irrelevent mud slinging?
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 02, 2010, 04:52:13 PM
What constituency is Tommy Burns running in for this election? Or is this just irrelevent mud slinging?
Asking questions is mudslinging?
What about sticking to things relevant to this election, such as Gerry's usual grasp of Economics and the implications of SF's abstentionist policy?
Sinn Féin's response to criticism of their refusal to sit at Westminster in the face of proposed cuts post-election has been to call on all the other parties "to unite with us against the cuts", and even to press for an increase in the block grant. At the same time the party's manifesto, along with others, wants fiscal powers devolved and corporation tax reduced – whilst also refusing to agree to the introduction of water charges. Balance those books.
The example Gerry Adams has cited in support of his call for unified opposition here is the negotiatons over the devolved policing and justice budget.
The problem for Sinn Féin is that, in that case, their objective of prompt devolution of those powers was shared by the UK government - It was the DUP's consent which was being negotiated.
Post-election, without any votes in Parliament, what do Sinn Féin have to offer in any negotiation over cuts?
The SDLP's Dolores Kelly calls it right in this Belfast Telegraph report
SDLP Upper Bann candidate Dolores Kelly argued: "When the battle of the cuts is joined on the floor of Westminster, Sinn Fein won't even be there. By all accounts they are getting a hard time on the doorsteps on their totally outdated abstention policy, especially given the possibility of a hung Parliament.
"Public-sector workers are asking them what they are going to do if David Cameron swings the axe and they have no answers. Now it seems they want us and others to be their Westminster proxies, to attach themselves in some way to those who will be actually doing the hard work and the fighting. [added emphasis]
"We are no longer hearing grandiose claims about their influence at Downing Street. They will get short shrift at the back door of Downing Street if David Cameron gets his hands on the front door."
http://sluggerotoole.com/2010/04/29/sinn-feins-politics-of-delusion/#comments
No problem, but asking questions is mudslinging?
Quote from: Ulick on May 02, 2010, 04:56:20 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 02, 2010, 04:52:13 PM
What constituency is Tommy Burns running in for this election? Or is this just irrelevent mud slinging?
Asking questions is mudslinging?
What is the relevance of this line of questioning? The man in question isn't a candidate for this election and this visit doesn't appear to have been part of a party policy.
He's an elected representative for a Party standing for election and is out on the doorsteps canvassing for them so it is very relevant to the election.
Well if he's out on the doorsteps canvassing I'm sure there's ample opportunity to put those questions to him.
**shakes head and walks away**
How about this for a press release from the UUP:
IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Another confused outburst from Jeffrey
Responding to another confused outburst from Jeffrey Donaldson concerning a mistaken story in the Financial Times an Ulster Unionist Party Spokesperson said:
"Jeffrey appears to be thoroughly confused about a whole host of matters. The statement was issued on behalf of both parties – the Conservatives and the Ulster Unionists. Having separated himself from reality, Jeffrey is now fantasising about jumping into bed with Conservatives after sharing a bed with Labour throughout this election campaign.
"It really is quite a strange fantasy.
"From crowing that the UUP has no clout with the Conservative Party, to inferring that the UUP has now taken control of CCHQ's press office, Jeffrey seems equally confused about the strength of our partnership.
"I am afraid it is Jeffery who is becoming increasingly hysterical, but at least it is nice to see him out and about again."
ENDS...
A most interesting press release. Jeffrey's current address might well be different to that on his posters. UUP trying to get that message across in a slightly sly but quite devastating manner. This should get tongues wagging. It's getting really dirty now!
Right lads, I'm going to bed early on Thursday night and I am not sure what time to set the alarm for.
I am tempted to set it for 11.45, because RTE coverage starts then, and I can have a neat rundown from them of everything I have missed.
However, I might not even have got to sleep by then. I am tempted to lie on until 1.00am.
Does anyone know what time results are expected. I heard on Radio Ulster today that West Belfast was going to try to be the first constituency in the whole UK to declare, but I'm not bothered about WB anyway, as obviously Big Gerry will romp home.
Can anyone advise me?
Quote from: Feckitt on May 05, 2010, 02:38:52 PM
Can anyone advise me?
Channel 4's Alternative Election night ;)
Quote from: ziggysego on May 05, 2010, 02:41:43 PM
Quote from: Feckitt on May 05, 2010, 02:38:52 PM
Can anyone advise me?
Channel 4's Alternative Election night ;)
seen that advertised alright, should be a laugh.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on May 05, 2010, 11:48:56 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on May 05, 2010, 02:41:43 PM
Quote from: Feckitt on May 05, 2010, 02:38:52 PM
Can anyone advise me?
Channel 4's Alternative Election night ;)
seen that advertised alright, should be a laugh.
Sort of hear the ad in the background but did't see it. Whats sort of form is that show taking or what are they doing?
Quote from: Nally Stand on May 06, 2010, 12:35:59 AM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on May 05, 2010, 11:48:56 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on May 05, 2010, 02:41:43 PM
Quote from: Feckitt on May 05, 2010, 02:38:52 PM
Can anyone advise me?
Channel 4's Alternative Election night ;)
seen that advertised alright, should be a laugh.
Sort of hear the ad in the background but did't see it. Whats sort of form is that show taking or what are they doing?
It's Jimmy Carr, Charlie Brooker and David Mitchell. They'll be following the election results as they come and and discussing them, with a comedy spin. The fact that Charlie Brooker is involved, tells me it will be of substance.
Quote from: ziggysego on May 06, 2010, 12:39:56 AM
Quote from: Nally Stand on May 06, 2010, 12:35:59 AM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on May 05, 2010, 11:48:56 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on May 05, 2010, 02:41:43 PM
Quote from: Feckitt on May 05, 2010, 02:38:52 PM
Can anyone advise me?
Channel 4's Alternative Election night ;)
seen that advertised alright, should be a laugh.
Sort of hear the ad in the background but did't see it. Whats sort of form is that show taking or what are they doing?
It's Jimmy Carr, Charlie Brooker and David Mitchell. They'll be following the election results as they come and and discussing them, with a comedy spin. The fact that Charlie Brooker is involved, tells me it will be of substance.
Could be right. Remote control's batteries could be tested thoroughly tomorrow night :D
Quote from: Nally Stand on May 06, 2010, 12:43:49 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on May 06, 2010, 12:39:56 AM
Quote from: Nally Stand on May 06, 2010, 12:35:59 AM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on May 05, 2010, 11:48:56 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on May 05, 2010, 02:41:43 PM
Quote from: Feckitt on May 05, 2010, 02:38:52 PM
Can anyone advise me?
Channel 4's Alternative Election night ;)
seen that advertised alright, should be a laugh.
Sort of hear the ad in the background but did't see it. Whats sort of form is that show taking or what are they doing?
It's Jimmy Carr, Charlie Brooker and David Mitchell. They'll be following the election results as they come and and discussing them, with a comedy spin. The fact that Charlie Brooker is involved, tells me it will be of substance.
Could be right. Remote control's batteries could be tested thoroughly tomorrow night :D
I'll be flicking round them all tomorrow night also. BBC, UTV, Channel 4, RTE 1 & Sky News. Gonna be a busy night for the batteries ;D
Quote from: Feckitt on May 05, 2010, 02:38:52 PM
Right lads, I'm going to bed early on Thursday night and I am not sure what time to set the alarm for.
I am tempted to set it for 11.45, because RTE coverage starts then, and I can have a neat rundown from them of everything I have missed.
However, I might not even have got to sleep by then. I am tempted to lie on until 1.00am.
Does anyone know what time results are expected. I heard on Radio Ulster today that West Belfast was going to try to be the first constituency in the whole UK to declare, but I'm not bothered about WB anyway, as obviously Big Gerry will romp home.
Can anyone advise me?
They'll be going some to beat the constituency in sunderland that normally returns first they've done it four times in a row going for the fifth tonight. They are expected to return at about 10.45, I heard west belfast was hoping for three in the morning, which would certainly make them the fastest in NI (most don't even bother to start counting until the following day) but miles of the guys on the mainland.
Is anyone planning an all nighter, loads of beer and politics, heaven ;D
will your man have his swingometer out tonight?
I'm not talking about Willie McCrea either.
Quote from: johnneycool on May 06, 2010, 11:09:49 AM
will your man have his swingometer out tonight?
I'm not talking about Willie McCrea either.
Kirk?
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on May 06, 2010, 11:12:01 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on May 06, 2010, 11:09:49 AM
will your man have his swingometer out tonight?
I'm not talking about Willie McCrea either.
Kirk?
Don't be stupid.
Jeffrey Donaldson ;)
According to The Irish Times, Lagan Valley, North Antrim, Upper Bann & Foyle will all declare around midnight, with all NI results expected to declare before 3am.
I'd say that is a bit hopeful on their part. In the last election it was nearly 9pm on Friday night before South Down came in.
Quote from: Feckitt on May 06, 2010, 11:54:01 AM
According to The Irish Times, Lagan Valley, North Antrim, Upper Bann & Foyle will all declare around midnight, with all NI results expected to declare before 3am.
I'd say that is a bit hopeful on their part. In the last election it was nearly 9pm on Friday night before South Down came in.
Bound be a recount in FST if its as close as some predict
Quote from: Feckitt on May 06, 2010, 11:54:01 AM
According to The Irish Times, Lagan Valley, North Antrim, Upper Bann & Foyle will all declare around midnight, with all NI results expected to declare before 3am.
I'd say that is a bit hopeful on their part. In the last election it was nearly 9pm on Friday night before South Down came in.
They most have decided to actually start the count when the polls close, foyle are apparently in the running to return first (in NI anyway).
You would have thought they could do it in west belfast first, just point and the boxes and call it a SF win.
When are results expected in?
Quote from: Boycey on May 06, 2010, 12:11:04 PM
I fecking love election nights.... I'll be there right to the bitter end. I'm a bit worried about Channel 4 alternative coverage as I'm sure i'll be tempted to watch that and miss the real comedy gold on the other channels with politicians squabbling like schoolchildren.
Is it my memory playing tricks on me or did counting of NI votes not used to take place on the Friday? providing us with a second days entertainment with the added bonus of local tribalism at it best
Your correct Boycey, Douglas Bains main driving force as CEO is to get the record of first count declared in "Britain" (he's also kinda keen on 100% registeration ;)).
He changed the count here from Friday to straight after close of poll at 10pm. Knowing the Derry count, they'll feck it up somehow and won't declare til quite late on, would think WB has a good chance of declaring first over here at any rate.
Would be expecting the first result from here being declared from 11.15 - 11.30pm.
Quote from: Boycey on May 06, 2010, 12:11:04 PM
I fecking love election nights.... I'll be there right to the bitter end. I'm a bit worried about Channel 4 alternative coverage as I'm sure i'll be tempted to watch that and miss the real comedy gold on the other channels with politicians squabbling like schoolchildren.
Is it my memory playing tricks on me or did counting of NI votes not used to take place on the Friday? providing us with a second days entertainment with the added bonus of local tribalism at it best
I'm watching the election coverage live on BBC NI, ITV 1 & RTE 1. However, I'm going to Sky + the Channel 4 Alternative for another time and have a
giggle. Sorry, I mean laugh.
Quote from: the_daddy on May 06, 2010, 01:45:11 PM
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on May 06, 2010, 12:33:12 PM
Quote from: Boycey on May 06, 2010, 12:11:04 PM
I fecking love election nights.... I'll be there right to the bitter end. I'm a bit worried about Channel 4 alternative coverage as I'm sure i'll be tempted to watch that and miss the real comedy gold on the other channels with politicians squabbling like schoolchildren.
Is it my memory playing tricks on me or did counting of NI votes not used to take place on the Friday? providing us with a second days entertainment with the added bonus of local tribalism at it best
Your correct Boycey, Douglas Bains main driving force as CEO is to get the record of first count declared in "Britain" (he's also kinda keen on 100% registeration ;)).
He changed the count here from Friday to straight after close of poll at 10pm. Knowing the Derry count, they'll feck it up somehow and won't declare til quite late on, would think WB has a good chance of declaring first over here at any rate.
Would be expecting the first result from here being declared from 11.15 - 11.30pm.
The only problem likely to be in Derry will be getting the boxes out of the polling stations in Creggan, Gallaigh etc without interference from the underage dissendent petrol bombers
Aye that and the fact that they have a habit of mislaying ballot boxes! :D ;)
Quote from: thebandit on May 06, 2010, 12:14:53 PM
When are results expected in?
According to the Ulster Herald, West Tyrone is expected around 1am and Fermanagh/South Tyrone due around dawn. No idea about other constituencies.
QuoteWest Tyrone is expected around 1am and Fermanagh/South Tyrone due around dawn.
A few good Freestate tallymen on the job and the result will be clear soon enough.
There is an election night Come Dine With Me on channel 4. I read about it in the paper last week. Apparently it is brutal as Rod Liddle gets pissed and lays into them.
Don't know if anyone has been on Facebook today, but they have a feature running on how many people have voted today.
It has been running from opening time, and at the last count, it was near 1.7 million.
However, you can only click once.....
Good indication on how many voters are on facebook, and how none of the main parties
grasped the power of socail media networking.
Exit poll on BBC puts con with 307 mp's Lab 255 and LD 59. Need 326 to form a government. Will be a nervy night for Lab/Con
So the Lib Dem surge turns out to be a trickle into reverse. They had 62 seats outgoing.
West Tyrone 50% turnout (estimate) according to BBC
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 06, 2010, 10:26:15 PM
West Tyrone 50% turnout (estimate) according to BBC
50% in Upper Bann also. Should be safe for both incumbents (Doherty and Simpson).
Quote from: Hardy on May 06, 2010, 10:24:21 PM
So the Lib Dem surge turns out to be a trickle into reverse. They had 62 seats outgoing.
A lot of analysts claiming that may be a sign that the exit poll may be skewed. Harriet Harmond hinting at lab/LD partnership.
Quote from: Ulick on May 06, 2010, 10:29:40 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 06, 2010, 10:26:15 PM
West Tyrone 50% turnout (estimate) according to BBC
50% in Upper Bann also. Should be safe for both incumbents (Doherty and Simpson).
Ulick would Sinn Fein move ODowd elsewhere or do you reckon it's winnable next time round? He is a very competent operator and would pull down votes wherever they drop him.
Quote from: hardstation on May 06, 2010, 10:47:13 PM
South Down results expected to be in by Monday week as the ballot boxes have to go to Lisburn.
As long as they keep going back to Natasha Sayee then they can take all the time they need!
Quote from: tyroneboi on May 06, 2010, 10:54:04 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 06, 2010, 10:47:13 PM
South Down results expected to be in by Monday week as the ballot boxes have to go to Lisburn.
As long as they keep going back to Natasha Sayee then they can take all the time they need!
She's got some curves.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 06, 2010, 10:45:47 PM
Ulick would Sinn Fein move ODowd elsewhere or do you reckon it's winnable next time round? He is a very competent operator and would pull down votes wherever they drop him.
Couldn't see him being moved, he's too entrenched in the area and being a Tullylish man, he knows both ends of the constituency (Banbridge & Lurgan), town and rural, Down and Armagh, inside out - no other possible candidates in the Upper Bann organisation can say that. Besides, in the space of seven or eight years has taken a safe unionist seat to a marginal. They know there's a second SF seat there for the taking in the Assembly next year and if they can do something about the low turnouts they reckon the Westminster seat will fall also. Where they've fallen down today is that even though they managed to raise their worst boxes from 20% turnout last time to 50% today, they haven't built on other boxes which they needed over 60% to cause a major upset. They feeling there is they've learned a few lessons for next year.
Quote from: Ulick on May 06, 2010, 11:06:23 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 06, 2010, 10:45:47 PM
Ulick would Sinn Fein move ODowd elsewhere or do you reckon it's winnable next time round? He is a very competent operator and would pull down votes wherever they drop him.
Couldn't see him being moved, he's too entrenched in the area and being a Tullylish man, he knows both ends of the constituency (Banbridge & Lurgan), town and rural, Down and Armagh, inside out - no other possible candidates in the Upper Bann organisation can say that. Besides, in the space of seven or eight years has taken a safe unionist seat to a marginal. They know there's a second SF seat there for the taking in the Assembly next year and if they can do something about the low turnouts they reckon the Westminster seat will fall also. Where they've fallen down today is that even though they managed to raise their worst boxes from 20% turnout last time to 50% today, they haven't built on other boxes which they needed over 60% to cause a major upset. They feeling there is they've learned a few lessons for next year.
O'dowd was possibly the victim of his own success by topping the last election. This seems to have the effect of the TUV afraid to put a candidate in upper bann (even though they are present on a local level)
Watching Rod Liddle now with Derek Hatton, that awful wench Edwina Currie and some prim unknown. 4 gobshites! Some people should never drink
Quote from: Ulick on May 06, 2010, 11:06:23 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 06, 2010, 10:45:47 PM
Ulick would Sinn Fein move ODowd elsewhere or do you reckon it's winnable next time round? He is a very competent operator and would pull down votes wherever they drop him.
Couldn't see him being moved, he's too entrenched in the area and being a Tullylish man, he knows both ends of the constituency (Banbridge & Lurgan), town and rural, Down and Armagh, inside out - no other possible candidates in the Upper Bann organisation can say that. Besides, in the space of seven or eight years has taken a safe unionist seat to a marginal. They know there's a second SF seat there for the taking in the Assembly next year and if they can do something about the low turnouts they reckon the Westminster seat will fall also. Where they've fallen down today is that even though they managed to raise their worst boxes from 20% turnout last time to 50% today, they haven't built on other boxes which they needed over 60% to cause a major upset. They feeling there is they've learned a few lessons for next year.
If it's there for the taking how do SF mobilise the electorate to go out an get their X beside ODowd? The more marginal the seat becomes the more unionists will get out and vote to prevent any greening of Upper Bann.
I noticed Willie Frazers name on my ballot tonight. What nutcase vote for thon clown? Also, does he fund the campaign out of his own pocket or from FAIR's coffers?
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 06, 2010, 10:23:00 PM
Exit poll on BBC puts con with 307 mp's Lab 255 and LD 59. Need 326 to form a government. Will be a nervy night for Lab/Con
revised poll from them now:
Conservatives 305, Labour 255, Lib Dems 61 and others 29.
Nip 'n' tuck.
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Quote from: Square Ball on May 06, 2010, 11:26:54 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 06, 2010, 10:23:00 PM
Exit poll on BBC puts con with 307 mp's Lab 255 and LD 59. Need 326 to form a government. Will be a nervy night for Lab/Con
revised poll from them now:
Conservatives 305, Labour 255, Lib Dems 61 and others 29.
Clegg will be acting the big man tonight.
Security alert in Foyle, W**kers!
I'll go for Empey and Gildernew as a double ;) However, I will go to bed tonight thinking of your woman from Countdown.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 06, 2010, 11:26:48 PM
If it's there for the taking how do SF mobilise the electorate to go out an get their X beside ODowd? The more marginal the seat becomes the more unionists will get out and vote to prevent any greening of Upper Bann.
By getting the message out that it's winnable. Locals have always had an inferiority complex as a result of strong unionist dominance e.g. Trimble, McCusker before him, Craigavon Council and their discrimination etc... They got those 20% boxes up today by simply knocking on doors and explaining to people that they could make the difference. As you say though, the unionists via the strong presence of the Orange Order are good at rallying around the sectarian flag.
All credit to SF in Lurgan today though - while trying to organise their election workers, they also had to deal with a load of toe-rags with petrol bombs trying to high-jack cars at the Lake Street railway crossing at Kilwilkie and not too far away from a major polling station.
Paisley Jnr apparently streets ahead in Nth Antrim and Hermon looks set for a landslide.
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 06, 2010, 11:42:57 PM
Paisley Jnr apparently streets ahead in Nth Antrim and Hermon looks set for a landslide.
Shocker :o
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Sammy Bare-Arse Red-Cheek confident.
:D
Good man O'Neill, I needed a laugh
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 06, 2010, 11:42:57 PM
Paisley Jnr apparently streets ahead in Nth Antrim and Hermon looks set for a landslide.
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And she never even had to knock on a door to canvass.
Any word on turnout for F/ST?
Quote from: Aoise on May 06, 2010, 11:59:11 PM
Any word on turnout for F/ST?
Not opening the boxes for an hour or so yet - they're counting West Tyrone first. Unofficial (gossip) I was getting earlier from SF were talking around 80% turnout for some of their boxes.
Sincerely hope you're right Ulick! 80% would surely set her up well for it.
Mark Simpson drinking lucozade slyly behind a PC.
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(http://i43.tinypic.com/t0n96f.jpg)
An Ulster Catholic woman from Limavady called Sean has texted the BBC to say he has voted for Arlene Foster. Huh?
Ian Og is one smug bollox !!!!!!!!!
Ian Snr is just getting old and frail.
Whilst oul Ian ranted, Ian og played away on his phone.
Deadly.
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ODowd not down yet- interesting!
http://twitter.com/sammywilsonmp
The Upper Bann UU candidate is the lead singer in a Queen tribute band. You learn something new every day!
Quote from: Aoise on May 07, 2010, 12:18:50 AM
ODowd not down yet- interesting!
Only putting a brave face on it Aoise, privately they've conceded.
Quote from: ONeill on May 07, 2010, 12:19:09 AM
http://twitter.com/sammywilsonmp
Sammywilsonmp is some crack:
"Would pay good money to see Yvette Shapiro pole dancing. Cracking. "
Quote from: armaghniac on May 07, 2010, 12:20:54 AM
The Upper Bann UU candidate is the lead singer in a Queen tribute band. You learn something new every day!
And he's pretty fecking good at it as well.
Yeah was thinking that Ulick- do you know by how many?
West Tyrone expected soon, Barry mc elduff quoting Churchill. Perhaps a Sinn Fein/Unionist unity pact at next election?
"We can have success without winning" - Jim Allister.
Quote from: ONeill on May 07, 2010, 12:19:09 AM
http://twitter.com/sammywilsonmp
will have to keep an eye on this during the night - some great one liners!
What a prat Allister is..would only answer to Noel Thompson re Foyle if he referred to it as Londonderry
Sarah Travers is anchored.
Quote from: Aoise on May 07, 2010, 12:23:40 AM
Yeah was thinking that Ulick- do you know by how many?
Probably around 2 or 3k - texts from the count centre are slowing now. Flash Harry is a good singer but a bit of a nonentity as a politician and not much of a challenge to the DUP's Simpson - which was needed when SF didn't get a good turnout.
Bruce is wankered
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2010, 12:27:52 AM
Quote from: ONeill on May 07, 2010, 12:19:09 AM
http://twitter.com/sammywilsonmp
will have to keep an eye on this during the night - some great one liners!
"I know some counts in W belfast" very good Sammy :D
60% turnout in FST. Stays interesting.
Pat Doherty romps home in West Tyrone. No better man.
Quote from: Ulick on May 07, 2010, 12:30:27 AM
Quote from: Aoise on May 07, 2010, 12:23:40 AM
Yeah was thinking that Ulick- do you know by how many?
Probably around 2 or 3k - texts from the count centre are slowing now. Flash Harry is a good singer but a bit of a nonentity as a politician and not much of a challenge to the DUP's Simpson - which was needed when SF didn't get a good turnout.
thought HH would poll better. Obviously SF vote didn't increase too dramatically. Outside of the three main estates in Lurgan it's hard enough to get a vote out!
Over 300 spoiled votes - what the feck are they writing?
Jesus Christ - wtf ??
He he.
Can you believe this shit ??
Hands in pockets.
What the hell was that all about?
Ian og has the XFactor ;D
Quote from: Aoise on May 07, 2010, 12:36:30 AM
thought HH would poll better. Obviously SF vote didn't increase too dramatically. Outside of the three main estates in Lurgan it's hard enough to get a vote out!
The vote came out in Lurgan, even Vatican City was over 60%, as did all the rural areas around Banbridge and the Lough. Problem was Craigavon estates.
60% FST thought there wod have been more - suits SF if it is that low!
Dunno how Allister can claim that tanking as a success... what a tosser
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 07, 2010, 12:40:51 AM
What the hell was that all about?
Ian Og is a complete embarassment.
7114 was a good poll for Allister and the TUV to be fair.
Robbo in bother ... ha ha ha
East belfast neck and neck, long nearly has robbo
Alliance think they've unseated Peter Robinson!!
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on May 07, 2010, 12:44:10 AM
Alliance think they've unseated Peter Robinson!!
If she evens come close, it will be a major shock.
Robbo beat
Peter's Fecked.
Jesus 1500 votes in it.
Calling it for Alliance by 1500 votes. Shocker!
But he's our First Minister - who'll lead us?
Massive shock.
Some kick in the balls for Robbo.
Liar, liar, pants on fire !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Propoganda - LOL
He's GONE!! :D
Yeoooooooooooow!
Unreal!
And the Swingometer went... SWISH! ;)
Shocking !!!!!!!!!!
You can fool some of the people some of the time but you can't...........................
Fair fucks to the people of east belfast voting to reject the corruption of that family
Good on you Naomi Long. A bit of tactical voting there by Nationalists, I expect.
Jesus she's one irritating woman though! Must have been his sparkling personality.
Did I see Kirk in the count centre ???
Iris has finally shafted her husband as well!
But who'll lead us? Let's burn our bras.
Fair play!
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on May 07, 2010, 12:51:51 AM
Iris has finally shafted her husband as well!
Recently ??? ;)
Quote from: Candyman on May 07, 2010, 12:49:03 AM
He's GONE!! :D
And so is Naomi - to England. Brilliant!
Wee Jeffrey not out.
Naomi backwards is I Moan.
Sammy
Sf could easily take biggest party overall proportionally if things keep going the way they are!
Is this the biggest shock in Northern Ireland political history?
"Jimmy Spratt refusing to put his confidence in Peter Robinson as leader of the DUP - video up soon"
I still can't take it in that Robbo has got his comuppence !!
"Donaldson speaks out about rumour mill in his speech - gets heckled from the back of room"
Donaldson won btw
Quote from: David McKeown on May 07, 2010, 12:55:37 AM
Is this the biggest shock in Northern Ireland political history?
I can't think of anything like it before.
Willl he blame the BBC ????????
Quote from: Ulick on May 07, 2010, 12:56:47 AM
"Donaldson speaks out about rumour mill in his speech - gets heckled from the back of room"
Is there a movie on ?? ;)
Could this be the first sign that the constitutional question is not first thing on the minds of working class loyalists anymore? East Belfast with alliance who'd have thought it!
Hendron beating Adams was some shock too.
Very gracious of Robbo but somebody is going to pay for this !!!!!!!!!!!
P Rob started off shakily there but came strong at end.
sammywilsonmp
.Some rocket waving fivers at Peter. He's got loads of money! He doesn't need yours!
(http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/political-pictures-iris-peter-robinson-sex-scandals.jpg)
Nobody too interested in Elaine !!
Simpson back in
Fermanagh South Tyrone count under way now.
Quote from: hardstation on May 07, 2010, 01:04:54 AM
See Peter Robinson's speech again. He took it well.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRwTj6iXnSI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRwTj6iXnSI)
He did indeed. But somebody will suffer.
Naomi Long was 50/1 a few weeks back :o
What was the final upper bann tally. I just switched over to RTE where they seem more concerned about what's happening in Chester rather than 150 miles up the road. Maybe I caught them at a bad time!
Long seems well respected on the ground in E Belfast.
Quote from: Aoise on May 07, 2010, 01:06:33 AM
What was the final upper bann tally. I just switched over to RTE where they seem more concerned about what's happening in Chester rather than 150 miles up the road. Maybe I caught them at a bad time!
BBC cut to it too late and missed O'Dowd's total!
Quote from: ONeill on May 07, 2010, 01:07:18 AM
Long seems well respected on the ground in E Belfast.
No doubt about it - being Lord Mayor recently would have helped with her profile.
Oh Jesus here comes Ian Og - FFS
Embarassing.
Iris will get some slap tonight :D
Poor Ian og - his limelight stolen by Peter's collapse.
Not for the first time
Initial tallies not looking good for Gilders in FST.
Quote from: the_daddy on May 07, 2010, 01:10:36 AM
Slightly less than 4k in it in Upper Bann - O'Dowd got over 10k & Simpson got 14k
How does that compare with last time?
Sammy blaming the media !!!!!!!!
Why not thg £5 land deal and the embarassing interviews !
Quote from: Ulick on May 07, 2010, 01:13:24 AM
Initial tallies not looking good for Gilders in FST.
really Ulick? How reliable is it?
Sylvia romps it.
Parsley spanked. hehe...
Lady Sylvia by a mile
Totals Here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/election2010/results/region/6.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/election2010/results/region/6.stm)
Quote from: Aoise on May 07, 2010, 01:14:32 AM
really Ulick? How reliable is it?
Just a text from one of the boys at the count in Banbridge, who got it from Enniskillen. Wouldn't put to much credibility in it yet as all the boxes aren't opened yet.
Understatement of all time :
" Sinn Fein confident that Adams will retain seat !" ;)
Quote from: mick999 on May 07, 2010, 01:16:45 AM
Totals Here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/election2010/results/region/6.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/election2010/results/region/6.stm)
O'Dowd up 4% in Upper Bann without taking anything from the SDLP. He'll be relatively happy with that.
SF 'confident Adams will retain his seat'
Quote from: Ulick on May 07, 2010, 01:17:20 AM
Quote from: Aoise on May 07, 2010, 01:14:32 AM
really Ulick? How reliable is it?
Just a text from one of the boys at the count in Banbridge, who got it from Enniskillen. Wouldn't put to much credibility in it yet as all the boxes aren't opened yet.
got a text from banbridge there myself, mightn't be as bad as originally thought!
Quote from: Ulick on May 07, 2010, 01:13:24 AM
Initial tallies not looking good for Gilders in FST.
Not looking good.
Quote from: ONeill on May 07, 2010, 01:21:47 AM
Not looking good.
More boxes opened. Neck and neck now.
Good site here for historical results :
http://www.ark.ac.uk/elections/aub.htm (http://www.ark.ac.uk/elections/aub.htm)
Sammy: Sylvia Herman: Cracking bit of posh.
SF beat UUP in North Antrim.
Denims ??
Ruane wins
the Vale of Clwyd
SF beating DUP in popular vote.
Quote from: orangeman on May 07, 2010, 01:19:26 AM
Understatement of all time :
" Sinn Fein confident that Adams will retain seat !" ;)
yeah, thought that was a very strange comment, especially given his majority.
RTE finally paying attention to the north. Oh wait no... Dobby announcing Kercaldy and Koudenbeath...
Peter Snow was some boy with his swingomter !
Quote from: Ulick on May 07, 2010, 01:32:06 AM
SF beating DUP in popular vote.
Not Yet ...
Full Northern Ireland ScoreboardParty Seats Gain Loss Net Votes % +/-%
Democratic Unionist Party 3 0 1 -1 72,978 28.3 -10.0
Sinn Fein 2 0 0 0 58,924 22.9 +0.8
Alliance Party 1 1 0 +1 22,943 8.9 +4.2
Ulster Conservatives and Unionists - New Force 0 0 1 -1 43,389 16.8 -4.0
Social Democratic & Labour Party 0 0 0 0 22,367 8.7 +0.1
Traditional Unionist Voice 0 0 0 0 13,758 5.3
Green 0 0 0 0 1,043 0.4
Others 1 1 0 1 22,295 8.7 3.7
Turnout 257,697 56.8 -7.5
After 7 of 18 seats declared
Strange white bloke behind Brown with sunglasses giving the Black Panther salute.
That's a landpower salute.
Sounds like an SDLP hold in South Belfast
Big result for McDonnell.
You never came down my street Al.
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2010, 01:43:56 AM
Big result for McDonnell.
Huge - thanks to SF all the same.
Wee Willie has retained South Antrim.
McDonnell got as much as both unionists put together.
Looks like Delboy is taking £20 from the mouth of Ulick's family.
McDonnell actually beat combined UUP / DUP vote!
Gerry A up 1 to 71%. Done well considering.
Quote from: orangeman on May 07, 2010, 01:45:02 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2010, 01:43:56 AM
Big result for McDonnell.
Huge - thanks to SF all the same.
Numerically Bigger that combined SDLP - SF total last time ... although percentage terms around the same ..
Alasdair McDonnell Social Democratic & Labour Party 14,026 41.0 +10.9
2005 Westminster election (5 May, 1 seat)
@Alasdair McDonnell (SDLP) 10,339 (32.3% +1.7%)
@Alex Maskey (Sinn Fein) 2,882 (9.0% +1.4%)
Ulster Unionsts not getting any MPs will damage Cameron's chances of being MP ???
But Cameron committed political suicide when talking to Paxman a week or so ago.
Quote from: orangeman on May 07, 2010, 01:45:02 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2010, 01:43:56 AM
Big result for McDonnell.
Huge - thanks to SF all the same.
Not really. His majority is significantly higher than Maskey's vote, and it's highly unlikely he got all of those votes.
No chance of the DUP getting the champers out !!!
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2010, 01:51:53 AM
Quote from: orangeman on May 07, 2010, 01:45:02 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2010, 01:43:56 AM
Big result for McDonnell.
Huge - thanks to SF all the same.
Not really. His majority is significantly higher than Maskey's vote, and it's highly unlikely he got all of those votes.
that's only presuming maskeys vote would have stayed the same which I don't believe it would.
Looks like unionism has lost South Belfast forever.
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2010, 01:51:53 AM
Quote from: orangeman on May 07, 2010, 01:45:02 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2010, 01:43:56 AM
Big result for McDonnell.
Huge - thanks to SF all the same.
Not really. His majority is significantly higher than Maskey's vote, and it's highly unlikely he got all of those votes.
Going on the Assembly trend, Maskey's vote was going to go up by a good bit.
Quote from: Ulick on May 07, 2010, 01:55:28 AM
Looks like unionism has lost South Belfast forever.
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Certainly does.
Interestingly, Anna Lo polled 15% in SB for Alliance. That's on top of McDonnell's 41%.
Margaret Ritchie winning South Down.
Will SDLP MPs align to Labour ??
Unionists voting SDLP - never!
Big unionist vote for Ritchie in South Down. Reinforces everything my old dear departed aunt Eileen used to say about Down people.
Possible increased majority for Ritchie in South Down. Result expected 3.30
Obviously the union is in serious danger if Margaret Thatcher Ritchie gets elected. Unionists left right and centre voting for her.
SDLP and Down people I would agree with your aunt! ;)
Reg is a beaten docket.
Both unionist party leaders bate.
Shannon wins Strangford.
Arlene appealing for a pan unionist front from now on.
Looks like Durkan will hold Foyle.
Unionist Conservative pact a disaster for Reg. That he couldn't unseat McCrea says a lot.
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2010, 02:15:53 AM
Looks like Durkan will hold Foyle.
Unionist Conservative pact a disaster for Reg. That he couldn't unseat McCrea says a lot.
As the song says "he'll have to go"
They're already talking about who;s going to be the new leader.
Quote from: Seany on May 07, 2010, 02:10:29 AM
Obviously the union is in serious danger if Margaret Thatcher Ritchie gets elected. Unionists left right and centre voting for her.
Why is this happening - what kind of tactics result in unionists voting SDLP?
That's starting to move in the right direction.
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on May 07, 2010, 02:18:44 AM
Quote from: Seany on May 07, 2010, 02:10:29 AM
Obviously the union is in serious danger if Margaret Thatcher Ritchie gets elected. Unionists left right and centre voting for her.
Why is this happening - what kind of tactics result in unionists voting SDLP?
Unionists voted SDLP to keep SF out,
Sweet Jesus, the swingometer man is now a weather man.
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on May 07, 2010, 02:18:44 AM
Quote from: Seany on May 07, 2010, 02:10:29 AM
Obviously the union is in serious danger if Margaret Thatcher Ritchie gets elected. Unionists left right and centre voting for her.
Why is this happening - what kind of tactics result in unionists voting SDLP?
They might want someone to represent them as an MP ?
Durkan wins with a 4000 majority.
They really now are a Semi Detached Labour Party
Unionist tactical voting and McCann keeps SFs Anderson out.
Willie supporters are going beserk.
Might we hear a wee song ??
SF and SDLP tactical votes not enough for Empey.
Shit - no little ditty from Willie. >:(
Quote from: the_daddy on May 07, 2010, 02:21:49 AM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on May 07, 2010, 02:18:44 AM
Quote from: Seany on May 07, 2010, 02:10:29 AM
Obviously the union is in serious danger if Margaret Thatcher Ritchie gets elected. Unionists left right and centre voting for her.
Why is this happening - what kind of tactics result in unionists voting SDLP?
Keep SF out - happened wholesale in Newbuildings, Drumahoe and Watersidein 2005 according to the DUP, and according to Jim Wells it's happening in big numbers in Kilkeel tonight
Ah, I see, that makes sense alright, thanks.
Quote from: Ulick on May 07, 2010, 02:24:28 AM
Unionist tactical voting and McCann keeps SFs Anderson out.
Don't agree ... SDLP and SF down about the same %,
Big jump for Eamonn Mc Cann
CandidatesName Party Votes % +/-
Mark Durkan Social Democratic & Labour Party 16,922 44.7 -1.7
Martina Anderson Sinn Fein 12,098 31.9 -1.4
Maurice Devenney Democratic Unionist Party 4,489 11.8 -2.2
Eammon McCann People Before Profit 2,936 7.7 +7.7
David Harding Ulster Conservatives and Unionists - New Force 1,221 3.2 +0.9
Keith McGrellis Alliance Party 223 0.6 +0.6
Majority 4,824 12.7
Turnout 37,889 57.5 -12.5
Quote from: orangeman on May 07, 2010, 02:26:54 AM
Shit - no little ditty from Willie. >:(
Ian Og had stolen his thunder!
Quote from: mick999 on May 07, 2010, 02:28:15 AM
Quote from: Ulick on May 07, 2010, 02:24:28 AM
Unionist tactical voting and McCann keeps SFs Anderson out.
Don't agree ... SDLP and SF down about the same %,
Big jump for Eamonn Mc Cann
CandidatesName Party Votes % +/-
Mark Durkan Social Democratic & Labour Party 16,922 44.7 -1.7
Martina Anderson Sinn Fein 12,098 31.9 -1.4
Maurice Devenney Democratic Unionist Party 4,489 11.8 -2.2
Eammon McCann People Before Profit 2,936 7.7 +7.7
David Harding Ulster Conservatives and Unionists - New Force 1,221 3.2 +0.9
Keith McGrellis Alliance Party 223 0.6 +0.6
Majority 4,824 12.7
Turnout 37,889 57.5 -12.5
Mick, I assume those figures are based on the last Westminster election and not Assembly?
Who's Mike Nesbitt ? ;)
Gerry Adams, leader of Sinn Fein, tells Sky News that the defeat of the DUP's Peter Robinson is a "shock", but Sinn Fein's vote is "strong". Mr Adams says they won't change their policy about not taking their seats in Westminster, even if there's a hung parliament, adding that he wants more powers transferred to Stormont.
Quote from: Ulick on May 07, 2010, 02:30:57 AM
Quote from: mick999 on May 07, 2010, 02:28:15 AM
Quote from: Ulick on May 07, 2010, 02:24:28 AM
Unionist tactical voting and McCann keeps SFs Anderson out.
Don't agree ... SDLP and SF down about the same %,
Big jump for Eamonn Mc Cann
CandidatesName Party Votes % +/-
Mark Durkan Social Democratic & Labour Party 16,922 44.7 -1.7
Martina Anderson Sinn Fein 12,098 31.9 -1.4
Maurice Devenney Democratic Unionist Party 4,489 11.8 -2.2
Eammon McCann People Before Profit 2,936 7.7 +7.7
David Harding Ulster Conservatives and Unionists - New Force 1,221 3.2 +0.9
Keith McGrellis Alliance Party 223 0.6 +0.6
Majority 4,824 12.7
Turnout 37,889 57.5 -12.5
Mick, I assume those figures are based on the last Westminster election and not Assembly?
I presume so ...
Just taken from http://www.ark.ac.uk/elections/afoy.htm (http://www.ark.ac.uk/elections/afoy.htm)
I know that SDLP % in last assembly was a lot lower than at last westminster elections, but I think personality (or lack of it) makes a bigger difference here ..
Has Willie Mc Crea got new teeth ??
Any word on Willie Frazer, suppose he won on a landslide?
(http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/7510/wtfjh.jpg)
Quote from: Ulick on May 07, 2010, 02:41:11 AM
(http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/7510/wtfjh.jpg)
:D
He's been having a rough time of it lately.
Quote from: orangeman on May 07, 2010, 02:40:14 AM
Has Willie Mc Crea got new teeth ??
Definitely !! The Lord shines in mysterious ways :-))
Quote from: mick999 on May 07, 2010, 02:38:43 AM
I presume so ...
Just taken from http://www.ark.ac.uk/elections/afoy.htm (http://www.ark.ac.uk/elections/afoy.htm)
I know that SDLP % in last assembly was a lot lower than at last westminster elections, but I think personality (or lack of it) makes a bigger difference here ..
Just thinking Mick, as there is such a variance with these and Assembly PR elections, that tactical voting is par for the course in Westminster elections in safe nationalist seats - hence when you compare percentages from five years ago such things don't show up.
Peter Punt is toast.
Move over.
Time for Nigel.
Dodds elected.
Looking like Michelle has won Fermanagh ST. McKinney has collapsed. Yippee!!!
Quote from: Seany on May 07, 2010, 02:46:18 AM
Looking like Michelle has won Fermanagh ST. McKinney has collapsed. Yippee!!!
Huge result for Michellle if that is the case.
Quote from: orangeman on May 07, 2010, 02:45:17 AM
Time for Nigel.
So long as old Hawk Eyes Kelly doesn't cause an even bigger shock than Long.
Quote from: Seany on May 07, 2010, 02:46:18 AM
Looking like Michelle has won Fermanagh ST. McKinney has collapsed. Yippee!!!
Don't be pissing us around now
"I feel like I'm an observer at a wake" Noel Thompson :D
Quote from: Ulick on May 07, 2010, 02:47:21 AM
Quote from: orangeman on May 07, 2010, 02:45:17 AM
Time for Nigel.
So long as old Hawk Eyes Kelly doesn't cause an even bigger shock than Long.
Dodds already elected.
The returning officer in Strangford thought that Jim Shannon was going to grope her !!! She ran off the stage.
Rodney by 6, recount!
Rodney Conor won by 6 votes.
Recount on now.
Conor by 6 votes!!! Fcuk!!!
6 votes - My God.
Shockingly close.
How likely is it that there would be a mistake in the counting ?
Mc Guiness walks Mid Ulster again.
With only 6 votes, it could be a multiple recount.
There were probably 6 students drinking in the SU in Belfast who didn't make the Shinner bus home.
The spoiled votes will come under a lot of scutiny now ...
Quote from: the_daddy on May 07, 2010, 03:02:04 AM
Balls.
How many Nationalist were denied postal and proxy votes?
Legal challenges ahead.
Long way to go perhaps in this one.
6 votes - crazy. Possibly several recounts on the way.
Ritchie in on a substantially increased majority.
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2010, 03:04:22 AM
6 votes - crazy. Possibly several recounts on the way.
Mad alright.
This will run and run regardless of who wins or loses.
The refusal of postal votes will be massive.
Refused on the basis of a signature ??? Don't think so.
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2010, 03:06:29 AM
Ritchie in on a substantially increased majority.
Majority slightly down on McGrady's result .. I'm sure she'll still be happy ...
Margaret Ritchie Social Democratic & Labour Party 20,648 48.5 +1.6
Caitriona Ruane Sinn Fein 12,236 28.7 +1.7
2005 Westminster election (5 May, 1 seat)
*Eddie McGrady (SDLP) 21,557 (44.7% -1.6%)
@Caitriona Ruane (Sinn Fein) 12,417 (25.8% +6.1%)
How many votes did Mc Kinney get ??
Quote from: orangeman on May 07, 2010, 03:13:29 AM
How many votes did Mc Kinney get ??
Haven't said yet ...
CONNOR: 21296
GILDERNEW: 21288
Last election:
2005 Westminster election (5 May, 1 seat)
*@Michelle Gildernew (Sinn Fein) 18,638 (38.2% +4.1%)
@Arlene Foster (DUP) 14,056 (28.8%)
@Tom Elliot (UUP) 8,869 (18.2% -15.8%)
@Tommy Gallagher (SDLP) 7,230 (14.8% -3.9%)
Quote from: mick999 on May 07, 2010, 03:10:43 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2010, 03:06:29 AM
Ritchie in on a substantially increased majority.
Majority slightly down on McGrady's result .. I'm sure she'll still be happy .
My mistake. Maybe I was thinking about what some on here were saying regarding last assemby elections.
The 'Ruane' factor at play here - she's just not a credible candidate for SF.
Pat Doherty on RTE saying something about postal votes could change it. ...
Do the postal votes not get counted till later ??
Quote from: mick999 on May 07, 2010, 03:21:09 AM
Pat Doherty on RTE saying something about postal votes could change it. ...
Do the postal votes not get counted till later ??
No - they're already included.
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2010, 03:17:15 AM
The 'Ruane' factor at play here - she's just not a credible candidate for SF.
Eh? The SF vote increased. Ritche's vote held up while the unionist vote dropped massively from the Assembly election - doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out what happened there.
Quote from: Ulick on May 07, 2010, 03:23:06 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2010, 03:17:15 AM
The 'Ruane' factor at play here - she's just not a credible candidate for SF.
Eh? The SF vote increased. Ritche's vote held up while the unionist vote dropped massively from the Assembly election - doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out what happened there.
No doubt. Unionists voted for SDLP to try and keep Ruane out.
Quote from: Ulick on May 07, 2010, 03:23:06 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2010, 03:17:15 AM
The 'Ruane' factor at play here - she's just not a credible candidate for SF.
Eh? The SF vote increased. Ritche's vote held up while the unionist vote dropped massively from the Assembly election - doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out what happened there.
Even taking into account tactical voting , it's still suprising that SF % Vote went down from 31% in Assembly elections to 28.7% here ...especially considering that the boundary changes should have increased nationalist vote by 3%
"Under the Boundary Commission's proposals, South Down is to lose three Down district wards, Ballymaglave, Ballynahinch East and Kilmore, to Strangford. This makes the new constituency 3.3% more Catholic"
Quote from: Ulick on May 07, 2010, 03:23:06 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2010, 03:17:15 AM
The 'Ruane' factor at play here - she's just not a credible candidate for SF.
Eh? The SF vote increased. Ritche's vote held up while the unionist vote dropped massively from the Assembly election - doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out what happened there.
The change in percentages were minimal and this in the context of a significantly reduced turnout. BBC saying a lot of Unionists didn't turn out in numbers, so their drop can't all be votes to Ritchie.
Regardless, did you not predict a massively reduced majority at best for SDLP? This seat isn't coming into play at any time soon and definitely not with Ruane.
Willie Frazer 600 odd votes :D :D ;D
Big turnout for Conor Murphy.
Murphy back in on a bit lower vote, same % though ..
Conor Murphy Sinn Fein 18,857 42.0 +0.6
Dominic Bradley Social Democratic & Labour Party 10,526 23.4 -1.7
Danny Kennedy Ulster Conservatives and Unionists - New Force 8,558 19.1 +5.2
William Irwin Democratic Unionist Party 5,764 12.8 -5.5
William Frazer Independent 656 1.5 +1.5
Andrew Muir Alliance Party 545 1.2 +1.2
Majority 8,331 18.6
Turnout 44,906 60.4 -13.3
2005 Westminster election (5 May, 1 seat)
@Conor Murphy (Sinn Fein) 20,965 (41.4% +10.5%)
@Dominic Bradley (SDLP) 12,770 (25.2% -12.2%)
@Paul Berry (DUP) 9,311 (18.4% -1.0%)
@Danny Kennedy (UUP) 7,025 (13.9% +1.6%)
Gerry Markey (Independent) 625 (1.2%)
Regardless if it is 6votes or 60 or 600 votes. The SDLP position must be that in the face of 1 Unionist candidate, they would rather a Unionist be elected to represent F&ST than have a sole nationalist in the election. I hope Alistair McDonnell sees the irony before he depends on a sole nationalist candidate before the next election.
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2010, 03:31:13 AM
Quote from: Ulick on May 07, 2010, 03:23:06 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2010, 03:17:15 AM
The 'Ruane' factor at play here - she's just not a credible candidate for SF.
Eh? The SF vote increased. Ritche's vote held up while the unionist vote dropped massively from the Assembly election - doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out what happened there.
The change in percentages were minimal and this in the context of a significantly reduced turnout. BBC saying a lot of Unionists didn't turn out in numbers, so their drop can't all be votes to Ritchie.
Regardless, did you not predict a massively reduced majority at best for SDLP? This seat isn't coming into play at any time soon and definitely not with Ruane.
Erm... the BBC and DUP were saying whole unionist boxes in Kilkeel were going to Ritchie.
I did, but did not expect the massive unionist vote of Ritchie. Still in play for next time when the educational reforms settle down.
SF up by 2 votes after the recount in F&ST
another recount has been called in F&ST
Quote from: Highlander3 on May 07, 2010, 03:36:32 AM
SF up by 2 votes after the recount in F&ST
Bookies will have more than a passing interest in this one. ]
Obscne amounts of money were placed on O'Connor according to Eamon Mallie today.
Quote from: Highlander3 on May 07, 2010, 03:36:32 AM
SF up by 2 votes after the recount in F&ST
This is going to run! I was planning on heading to bed - meeting at work at 8.30 - but think I'll have to stay up.
Michelle up by 2 is right.
Incredible.
Wow! SF win by 2! Hanging chad territory here!
This is turning into an incredible race
Can't go to bed now..
Are there any SDLP supporters on here who are willing to state their preference for a nationalist above a unionist in F&ST despite their parties leadership desire to split the nationalist vote.
Shame Noel wasn't able to cut back to Arlene after news of recount!
Really should go to bed, but have tomorrow off, and there are those four bottles of beer at the back of the larder from Christmas...
Over at the BBC Gerry Adams is claiming that "there are people in unionist heartlands like Suffolk and the Shankill who are voting for Sinn Fein". ;D
Quote from: Ulick on May 07, 2010, 03:48:43 AM
Really should go to bed, but have tomorrow off, and there are those four bottles of beer at the back of the larder from Christmas...
Which Christmas ? Check the date on them. ;)
Quote from: Ulick on May 07, 2010, 03:48:43 AM
Really should go to bed, but have tomorrow off, and there are those four bottles of beer at the back of the larder from Christmas...
Larder :D haven't hear that word in fecking years.
Carry on....
"Are there any SDLP supporters on here who are willing to state their preference for a nationalist above a unionist in F&ST despite their parties leadership desire to split the nationalist vote."
Do you not understand the concept of letting the voters have the say. If they want Gildernew they will vote for her. If they don't then should they not have the choice of someone else?
Election night is like the Superbowl.
You know you should go to bed, but you just stay up.
I'll take that as a sign of approval.
Another three sods of turf on the fire with one briquette to start her up again...
Some tweets from the count ...
http://twitter.com/aldousduke (http://twitter.com/aldousduke)
21295
21305
Michelle up by 10 votes.
Michelle looking good !!!!!!!!!!
http://twitter.com/aldousduke (http://twitter.com/aldousduke)
SF making 4am calls to lawyers as a precaution. FST will get legal. Judicial review a dead cert says SF source.
Quote from: mick999 on May 07, 2010, 03:56:25 AM
Some tweets from the count ...
http://twitter.com/aldousduke (http://twitter.com/aldousduke)
Good bloke this. Had a few drinks with him on Friday night.
Posted by: currychip
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"Are there any SDLP supporters on here who are willing to state their preference for a nationalist above a unionist in F&ST despite their parties leadership desire to split the nationalist vote."
Do you not understand the concept of letting the voters have the say. If they want Gildernew they will vote for her. If they don't then should they not have the choice of someone else?
Definately, if all parties abide by your rules. But if the unionists declare a poll on a generally sectarian basis. Why should voters of a nationalist persuasion not adopt a similar stance, especially when a hung parliament may be a possible outcome.,
Bairbre a lot more gracious in acknowledging the support from tactical SDLP voters that McDonnell.
"Definately, if all parties abide by your rules. But if the unionists declare a poll on a generally sectarian basis. Why should voters of a nationalist persuasion not adopt a similar stance, especially when a hung parliament may be a possible outcome."
My point indeed, give the voters the choice. They may agree with the bigger nationalist/republican candidate. What if they don't want to do that. Don't give them the option?
UUP got less than 3k in North Belfast. That's another one unionism is going to lose next time.
Quote from: Ulick on May 07, 2010, 04:10:11 AM
UUP got less than 3k in North Belfast. That's another one unionism is going to lose next time.
Definitely within reach of SF next time around.
Quote from: Ulick on May 07, 2010, 04:05:08 AM
Bairbre a lot more gracious in acknowledging the support from tactical SDLP voters that McDonnell.
SF needed the tactical votes in FST, SDLP didn't need the SF vote in SB. Maybe that's the difference?
Time for bed - no result from F ans ST - Third recount in the morning.
SINN FEIN SEEK LEGAL ADVICE OVER RECOUNT !!!!!!!!!!!
Here we go.
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2010, 04:15:52 AM
Quote from: Ulick on May 07, 2010, 04:05:08 AM
Bairbre a lot more gracious in acknowledging the support from tactical SDLP voters that McDonnell.
SF needed the tactical votes in FST, SDLP didn't need the SF vote in SB. Maybe that's the difference?
But he still had SF people voting for him - could have been more tactful.
Ah fcuk that. Beer was warm anyway. Best put the other three back in the larder...
Nite all...
Result of 2nd recount
21300 Michelle
21298 Rodney
Solicitors involved on all sides !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Arlene must have fairly motored up the motorway !!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Ulick on May 07, 2010, 04:29:35 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2010, 04:15:52 AM
Quote from: Ulick on May 07, 2010, 04:05:08 AM
Bairbre a lot more gracious in acknowledging the support from tactical SDLP voters that McDonnell.
SF needed the tactical votes in FST, SDLP didn't need the SF vote in SB. Maybe that's the difference?
But he still had SF people voting for him - could have been more tactful.
But if he did, it would go against their opposition to pacts and would surely be hypocritical. And I'd imagine you would be the first to point this out.
Whoever loses in F ans ST will be very sore.
Willie Ross did poorly in East Derry.
Campbell is one bitter boyo !
Imagine the people sitting at home last night in F/ST thinking "I can't be arsed voting, sure it'll not make a difference anyway!"
Good to see The Punt on his way. Maybe some people in this place do have a morality. Although you see Willie McCrea getting in and you wonder the opposite! Awful and all as Ritchie is, delighted Ruane didn't get in after the education debacle.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 07, 2010, 07:52:25 AM
Imagine the people sitting at home last night in F/ST thinking "I can't be arsed voting, sure it'll not make a difference anyway!"
Good to see The Punt on his way. Maybe some people in this place do have a morality. Although you see Willie McCrea getting in and you wonder the opposite! Awful and all as Ritchie is, delighted Ruane didn't get in after the education debacle.
Was listening to Naomi Long on Radio Ulster (says no) there and had to give it the button when she said "shared future" for the 83rd time.
Was Gildernew 2 ahead or 2 behind after the second recount? Radio Ulster said she was two behind and BBC website said two ahead?
Quote from: Minder on May 07, 2010, 08:18:40 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 07, 2010, 07:52:25 AM
Imagine the people sitting at home last night in F/ST thinking "I can't be arsed voting, sure it'll not make a difference anyway!"
Good to see The Punt on his way. Maybe some people in this place do have a morality. Although you see Willie McCrea getting in and you wonder the opposite! Awful and all as Ritchie is, delighted Ruane didn't get in after the education debacle.
Was listening to Naomi Long on Radio Ulster (says no) there and had to give it the button when she said "shared future" for the 83rd time.
Was Gildernew 2 ahead or 2 behind after the second recount? Radio Ulster said she was two behind and BBC website said two ahead?
2 ahead.
Long's vote was a loudand clear message to Robinson rather a ringing endorsement of her or her politics. The least worst option.
Naomi Wide gave a speech about how people had written off the Alliance party etc, and this showed them, sounded pretty triumphalist and sickening to me - she'll be no addition to anyone.
Quote from: haranguerer on May 07, 2010, 09:03:22 AM
Naomi Wide gave a speech about how people had written off the Alliance party etc, and this showed them, sounded pretty triumphalist and sickening to me - she'll be no addition to anyone.
No MP from the north will be any addition in Westminster.
Reg Empty's crew have taken some battering especially when the North Down luvvies turn their backs on him, but I suppose it was for a lady!!
I think the Nesbitt thing in Strangford bolloxed them as he never counted, if they'd have went with the local bigot of McNarry he'd of had a fighting chance against the DUP's local bigot of Shannon who's no einstein either.
you'd have thought Trevor Ringland would have fared better in East Belfast than he did though, certainly the protest vote went to Alliance and wee Niomi better make hay as she'll not retain that seat again.
Four of my family members didn't vote. How them votes would have helped now in S.T.F. It really annoys me when I hear people sayin they couldn't be bothered voting. There was a time when we didn't have choice and were not allowed too vote. The younger generation need to wake up.
When is the 3rd recount due to be completed.
Quote from: Zapatista on May 07, 2010, 09:08:58 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 07, 2010, 09:03:22 AM
Naomi Wide gave a speech about how people had written off the Alliance party etc, and this showed them, sounded pretty triumphalist and sickening to me - she'll be no addition to anyone.
No MP from the north will be any addition in Westminster.
No MP from the north will be any addition in
Westminster Ireland... maybe I am a bit harsh possibly but its all such a load of balls
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 07, 2010, 08:24:20 AM
Quote from: Minder on May 07, 2010, 08:18:40 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 07, 2010, 07:52:25 AM
Imagine the people sitting at home last night in F/ST thinking "I can't be arsed voting, sure it'll not make a difference anyway!"
Good to see The Punt on his way. Maybe some people in this place do have a morality. Although you see Willie McCrea getting in and you wonder the opposite! Awful and all as Ritchie is, delighted Ruane didn't get in after the education debacle.
Was listening to Naomi Long on Radio Ulster (says no) there and had to give it the button when she said "shared future" for the 83rd time.
Was Gildernew 2 ahead or 2 behind after the second recount? Radio Ulster said she was two behind and BBC website said two ahead?
2 ahead.
Long's vote was a loudand clear message to Robinson rather a ringing endorsement of her or her politics. The least worst option.
First count was +6 for connor, that'l' be an interesting one, will probably be end up being sorted in the courts (neither will losing candidate will accept the result is my guess).
Quote from: johnneycool on May 07, 2010, 09:21:38 AM
Reg Empty's crew have taken some battering especially when the North Down luvvies turn their backs on him, but I suppose it was for a lady!!
The collapse of ulster unionism (or whatever they are calling themselves this week) is bad news for nationalism/republicanism, i can see them being subsumed by the dup in the future which will give unionism a strong unsplit vote in every seat.
SF will have to do likewise to the SDLP or get used to the idea of having only 5 or so MPs.
Quote from: delboy on May 07, 2010, 09:51:18 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on May 07, 2010, 09:21:38 AM
Reg Empty's crew have taken some battering especially when the North Down luvvies turn their backs on him, but I suppose it was for a lady!!
The collapse of ulster unionism (or whatever they are calling themselves this week) is bad news for nationalism/republicanism, i can see them being subsumed by the dup in the future which will give unionism a strong unsplit vote in every seat.
SF will have to do likewise to the SDLP or get used to the idea of having only 5 or so MPs.
What if the Lib Dems are successful in gaining PR in return for being part of a coalition?
Would that have any impact on the current split?
Quote from: delboy on May 07, 2010, 09:51:18 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on May 07, 2010, 09:21:38 AM
Reg Empty's crew have taken some battering especially when the North Down luvvies turn their backs on him, but I suppose it was for a lady!!
The collapse of ulster unionism (or whatever they are calling themselves this week) is bad news for nationalism/republicanism, i can see them being subsumed by the dup in the future which will give unionism a strong unsplit vote in every seat.
SF will have to do likewise to the SDLP or get used to the idea of having only 5 or so MPs.
isnt that the way it has been going in the past 10 years...?
the last election where the dup decimated the oup to me at least showed that the voting is polarising in the north of Ireland (as the sdlp are fast losing all ground to sf) - cant see that changing ..
Quote from: lynchbhoy on May 07, 2010, 09:56:48 AM
Quote from: delboy on May 07, 2010, 09:51:18 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on May 07, 2010, 09:21:38 AM
Reg Empty's crew have taken some battering especially when the North Down luvvies turn their backs on him, but I suppose it was for a lady!!
The collapse of ulster unionism (or whatever they are calling themselves this week) is bad news for nationalism/republicanism, i can see them being subsumed by the dup in the future which will give unionism a strong unsplit vote in every seat.
SF will have to do likewise to the SDLP or get used to the idea of having only 5 or so MPs.
isnt that the way it has been going in the past 10 years...?
the last election where the dup decimated the oup to me at least showed that the voting is polarising in the north of Ireland (as the sdlp are fast losing all ground to sf) - cant see that changing ..
It certainly has but the total collapse of a party (which the UU must be close to) would be a game changer, the SDLP despite having a falling vote over all remain a viable party with their three MPs.
As an alliance voter i think its said that politics in northern ireland are being polarised so much, every win for SF is a win for DUP and vice versa.
Quote from: delboy on May 07, 2010, 10:01:10 AM
As an alliance voter i think its said that politics in northern ireland are being polarised so much, every win for SF is a win for DUP and vice versa.
It's the basis for the existence of the Alliance Party. The trend seems to be that the parties are becoming less polarised even if they are still polarised in name. As long as they can continue to work together there is no problem. Both SF and the DUP have moved more to the centre since the GFA.
Quote from: delboy on May 07, 2010, 09:47:07 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 07, 2010, 08:24:20 AM
Quote from: Minder on May 07, 2010, 08:18:40 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 07, 2010, 07:52:25 AM
Imagine the people sitting at home last night in F/ST thinking "I can't be arsed voting, sure it'll not make a difference anyway!"
Good to see The Punt on his way. Maybe some people in this place do have a morality. Although you see Willie McCrea getting in and you wonder the opposite! Awful and all as Ritchie is, delighted Ruane didn't get in after the education debacle.
Was listening to Naomi Long on Radio Ulster (says no) there and had to give it the button when she said "shared future" for the 83rd time.
Was Gildernew 2 ahead or 2 behind after the second recount? Radio Ulster said she was two behind and BBC website said two ahead?
2 ahead.
Long's vote was a loudand clear message to Robinson rather a ringing endorsement of her or her politics. The least worst option.
First count was +6 for connor, that'l' be an interesting one, will probably be end up being sorted in the courts (neither will losing candidate will accept the result is my guess).
I thought Gildernew was +10 from the 1st count and +2 after the second?
No Gildernew was down after the first count as Arlene Foster rose her fist in the BBC studios and Noel pulled her up on it. There have been 3 counts - the first, and then the other two as you describe.
What time was that at? i fell asleep after two.
How many recounts are allowed ?
Quote from: the_daddy on May 07, 2010, 10:59:39 AM
Quote from: Bensars on May 07, 2010, 10:54:52 AM
What time was that at? i fell asleep after two.
How many recounts are allowed ?
They keep going until one of the candidates accepts the result or the returning officer denies a recount deeming it "unreasonable"
If MG were to come out with higher votes in say 2 further recounts is the returning officer likely do deny another recount based on 4 counts in a row going to one candidate?
As I said last night, this will come down to the spoiled votes .. 350 of them ....
Expect each and every one of them to be inspected with solicitors from both sides looking on closely...
I think the fairest resolution would be if they arm wrestled for it, best of three.
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wtf?!
Surely this would be the answer...
Quote from: haranguerer on May 07, 2010, 11:17:42 AM
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wtf?!
Surely this would be the answer...
Rodney must still be on the 'L' plates as he has someone sitting in with him!
As an avid election fan for almost 40 years this was one of the best. I agree with Boycey on a few of the highs. Top for me was Wee Willie frazier on 600 votes. Willie the people have spoken. Now lets get this F &ST result sorted, any news about the how the count is going this time have they found any votes this time?
Poor Iris could be in for some trimming tonight!! :o
Any chance potential kingmakers SF will take their seats?
Quote from: Bogball XV on May 07, 2010, 12:24:50 PM
Any chance potential kingmakers SF will take their seats?
No chance at all.
Quote from: Onlooker on May 07, 2010, 12:28:56 PM
Quote from: Bogball XV on May 07, 2010, 12:24:50 PM
Any chance potential kingmakers SF will take their seats?
No chance at all.
surely there has to be something they'd accept, some offer out there, otherwise a vote for them really was wasted? I'm not coming at this from an SDLP vote for SF is a wasted vote viewpoint (although it's a fair comment), but really, in this situation where they could have the absolute balance of power, they should be pragmatic and swear an oath (as politicians they may have told a few porkies before) if it was going to advance their overall aims?
Strategically, if the Tories want out of NI, wouldn't they be better off doing a deal with the (apparent) nationalists than the other shower?
Nick Clegg is a Tory with a yellow tie and he will make this hypothetical discussion irrelevant by putting on a blue tie by this evening.
Quote from: Sandino on May 07, 2010, 12:50:26 PM
Nick Clegg is a Tory with a yellow tie and he will make this hypothetical discussion irrelevant by putting on a blue tie by this evening.
I'd be surprised, he surely can't do anything without getting PR of some sort in and the tories do not want that, say they will not go down that road.
I'd say his earlier statement was purely to give him a stronger bargaining position with labour (no Brown for a start), immediate moves for electoral reform etc etc
I hope your right!!!!!
Quote from: Billys Boots on May 07, 2010, 12:42:41 PM
Strategically, if the Tories want out of NI, wouldn't they be better off doing a deal with the (apparent) nationalists than the other shower?
Who's the apparent and who are the other shower?
Besides, the torys don't give the north a second thought untill the torys need to for their own benefit.
Quote from: Boycey on May 07, 2010, 11:11:28 AM
Brilliant nights entertainment, the highlights for me were-
1. Jim Allister not knowing where Derry was.
2. Ur man waving the fivers at Robinson when he was speaking
3. Ian og auditioning for Britains got talent
Don't forget when Sarah Travers was interviewing Bruce Forsyth, he told her he was proud of Northern Ireland's Rory Mickleroy
QuoteJim Allister not knowing where Derry was
Yes - that was funny. He had a puss on him like a bulldog licking piss off a nettle.
Sinn Fein officially have the largest share of the norths election votes at 25.5% with the DUP half a percent down. Another big blow to unionism as SF top the polls for 2nd election in a row.
A narrow lead though, considering the DUP didn't officially stand in FST. Also quite possible that the TUV will disappear and some of those votes will drift back to the DUP.
SF obviously have a few votes to pick up in Sth Belfast but it's still very tight for the Assembly elections.
I take it that with the UCUNF, or whatever it was called getting hammered ,
that most Unionists have no interest in voting for or belonging to a so called "National" Party from over the water ?
The first steps on the road to a "Closer Ireland " ??
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 07, 2010, 11:38:31 AM
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wtf?!
Surely this would be the answer...
Rodney must still be on the 'L' plates as he has someone sitting in with him!
Probably a bit of ballast, I'd say. Michelle has a quare girth on her and doesn't look like she'd have centre of gravity issues.
How the candidates from NI fared across the water
The general election counts were a late night and early morning of mixed fortunes for candidates from Northern Ireland who were running for parties across the water.
The most high profile casualty was Liberal Democrat candidate Lembit Opik, who lost his seat in Montgomeryshire in Wales to the Conservatives.
The chat-show regular who has had high profile relationships with ITV weathergirl Sian Lloyd and one-half of the Cheeky Girls, Gabriela Irimia, lost to Glyn Davies despite defending a majority of more than 7,000 from 2005.
Five years on, the Conservative candidate managed a swing of over 13%.
Mr Opik, who was born and raised in Bangor, County Down, said he was "disappointed" by the result and admitted that it was unexpected.
"It is a sad time for me. On the other side, if you stand for politics, you have to be willing to contemplate defeat."
There was better news for Belfast-born Kate Hoey, who confirmed expectations by holding on comfortably to the Vaxuhall constituency in north London.
Her vote of 21,498 was just under a 50% share of the vote, giving her a majority of 10,651 over the Liberal Democrat challenger in second place.
Another London contender was Oxford-educated barrister Joanne Cash from County Armagh. Dubbed one of "Cameron's Cuties", she had been heavily tipped to win the seat of Westminster North from Labour.
However, in a result which confirmed the occasional quirkiness of how the night panned out nationwide, Ms Cash was defeated by the Labour candidate by 2,126.
The former Banbridge Academy pupil, who is expecting her first baby with husband Octavius Black, a friend of David Cameron, has blamed media reports about her for her failure to take the seat.
Meanwhile, another Conservative from Northern Ireland, Gareth McKeever from Tyrone, failed to win his target seat.
He stood in Westmorland and Lonsdale in the Lake District but finished second to Tom Farron of the Liberal Democrats, who maintained a majority of more than 12,000.
An Oxford graduate, who worked in high finance in London, Mr McKeever reportedly sold his flat in the capital to move to the north.
Meanwhile, the Secretary of State Shaun Woodward retained his St Helens and Whiston seat with a majority of 14,122.
NIO minister Paul Goggins won a majority of 7,575 in Wythenshawe and Sale East despite a swing of 5.7% from Labour to the Conservatives.
Shadow Secretary of State Owen Paterson easily retained his seat in Shropshire North, winning a majority of 15,828 over the Liberal Democrat in second place.
Gareth Mc Keever Tyrone. Were abouts is he from?
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on May 08, 2010, 06:10:57 PM
Gareth Mc Keever Tyrone. Were abouts is he from?
Would be a few about your place but I'd doubt many would be Tory Boys!
Yer woman Cash was in a seat the Conservatives expected to win so apparently she had a bit of a diva strop at the count.
ONeill, Vauxhall is in South, not North London. Home to the Swan in Stockwell where manys a man from these parts might have stopped for refreshments.
Another prominent member of the Irish Community was also returned with a convincing majority in South London- Siobhan Mc Donagh in Mitcham and Morden.She didn't think a lot of Gordon Brown and her sister was formerly General Secretary of the Labour party. Siobhan is a great girl and proud of her Donegal connections.Knew her when we lived in the famous Colliers Wood.
Quote from: mick999 on May 07, 2010, 03:32:41 AM
Murphy back in on a bit lower vote, same % though ..
Conor Murphy Sinn Fein 18,857 42.0 +0.6
Dominic Bradley Social Democratic & Labour Party 10,526 23.4 -1.7
Danny Kennedy Ulster Conservatives and Unionists - New Force 8,558 19.1 +5.2
William Irwin Democratic Unionist Party 5,764 12.8 -5.5
William Frazer Independent 656 1.5 +1.5
Andrew Muir Alliance Party 545 1.2 +1.2
Majority 8,331 18.6
Turnout 44,906 60.4 -13.3
2005 Westminster election (5 May, 1 seat)
@Conor Murphy (Sinn Fein) 20,965 (41.4% +10.5%)
@Dominic Bradley (SDLP) 12,770 (25.2% -12.2%)
@Paul Berry (DUP) 9,311 (18.4% -1.0%)
@Danny Kennedy (UUP) 7,025 (13.9% +1.6%)
Gerry Markey (Independent) 625 (1.2%)
Murphy in on a lower vote BUT raised percentage, Bradley dropping percentage again. Tell it like it is Mick999!
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2010, 04:15:52 AM
Quote from: Ulick on May 07, 2010, 04:05:08 AM
Bairbre a lot more gracious in acknowledging the support from tactical SDLP voters that McDonnell.
SF needed the tactical votes in FST, SDLP didn't need the SF vote in SB. Maybe that's the difference?
Maguire, its arrogance like that that will eventually cost the stoops.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 08, 2010, 06:25:43 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on May 08, 2010, 06:10:57 PM
Gareth Mc Keever Tyrone. Were abouts is he from?
Would be a few about your place but I'd doubt many would be Tory Boys!
Yer woman Cash was in a seat the Conservatives expected to win so apparently she had a bit of a diva strop at the count.
Surely given that she's a muggle married to Octavius Black, Dumbledore could have helped out?
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on May 08, 2010, 10:44:34 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2010, 04:15:52 AM
Quote from: Ulick on May 07, 2010, 04:05:08 AM
Bairbre a lot more gracious in acknowledging the support from tactical SDLP voters that McDonnell.
SF needed the tactical votes in FST, SDLP didn't need the SF vote in SB. Maybe that's the difference?
Maguire, its arrogance like that that will eventually cost the stoops.
I also added that it would have been hypocritical to be so gracious for any SF votes, after opposing a pact. If you have opposed something in principle at the outset, you can't then be seen to legitimise it afterwards.
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 09, 2010, 10:11:22 AM
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on May 08, 2010, 10:44:34 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 07, 2010, 04:15:52 AM
Quote from: Ulick on May 07, 2010, 04:05:08 AM
Bairbre a lot more gracious in acknowledging the support from tactical SDLP voters that McDonnell.
SF needed the tactical votes in FST, SDLP didn't need the SF vote in SB. Maybe that's the difference?
Maguire, its arrogance like that that will eventually cost the stoops.
I also added that it would have been hypocritical to be so gracious for any SF votes, after opposing a pact. If you have opposed something in principle at the outset, you can't then be seen to legitimise it afterwards.
I think you made a simple error there Maguire.
Sinn Fein were critical of SDLP for splitting the Nationalists' vote, but praised the the SDLP's core voters for not splitting the vote.
McDonnell thanked everyone who voted for him. He did it again on The Politics Show today and he included the SF voters in that. But he was hardly going to be as blatant as SF as the SDLP never supported a pact. He can hardly come along after the election and decide that a pact was a good idea after all.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 07, 2010, 07:26:51 PM
I take it that with the UCUNF, or whatever it was called getting hammered ,
that most Unionists have no interest in voting for or belonging to a so called "National" Party from over the water ?
The first steps on the road to a "Closer Ireland " ??
Sadly the Conservatives and Unionists' campaign was an exemplary lesson in how not to run an election campaign.
Could have had an appeal (and to be fair it did take a significant chunk of the vote) but looks like the alliance is done for now.
Quote from: MW on May 09, 2010, 05:58:24 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 07, 2010, 07:26:51 PM
I take it that with the UCUNF, or whatever it was called getting hammered ,
that most Unionists have no interest in voting for or belonging to a so called "National" Party from over the water ?
The first steps on the road to a "Closer Ireland " ??
Sadly the Conservatives and Unionists' campaign was an exemplary lesson in how not to run an election campaign.
Could have had an appeal (and to be fair it did take a significant chunk of the vote) but looks like the alliance is done for now.
alliance got their first ever seat and you're saying they're done for :P
Quote from: johnneycool on May 07, 2010, 09:21:38 AM
you'd have thought Trevor Ringland would have fared better in East Belfast than he did though, certainly the protest vote went to Alliance and wee Niomi better make hay as she'll not retain that seat again.
Perfect example...Ringland could have won if he'd been on the ground for months beforehand and been presented as the candidate to oust Robinson.
Alliance, for example, put out a leaflet last week showing the 2007 Assembly election result with Long only 50-odd vote behind Robinson, with the clear message that only she could defeat Robinson. Naughty considering it was a PR-STV election and the DUP ran multiple candidates, deliberately dividing their vote between them - but an excellent use of spin from an Alliance point of view.
Quote from: The Worker on May 09, 2010, 06:01:20 PM
Quote from: MW on May 09, 2010, 05:58:24 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 07, 2010, 07:26:51 PM
I take it that with the UCUNF, or whatever it was called getting hammered ,
that most Unionists have no interest in voting for or belonging to a so called "National" Party from over the water ?
The first steps on the road to a "Closer Ireland " ??
Sadly the Conservatives and Unionists' campaign was an exemplary lesson in how not to run an election campaign.
Could have had an appeal (and to be fair it did take a significant chunk of the vote) but looks like the alliance is done for now.
alliance got their first ever seat and you're saying they're done for :P
;D
I think the Alliance
Party :P will build on this success...
Quote from: MW on May 09, 2010, 05:58:24 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 07, 2010, 07:26:51 PM
I take it that with the UCUNF, or whatever it was called getting hammered ,
that most Unionists have no interest in voting for or belonging to a so called "National" Party from over the water ?
The first steps on the road to a "Closer Ireland " ??
Sadly the Conservatives and Unionists' campaign was an exemplary lesson in how not to run an election campaign.
Could have had an appeal (and to be fair it did take a significant chunk of the vote) but looks like the alliance is done for now.
I know plenty of UUP voters who turned their backs on them this year, due to their alliance with the Tories. It was that alliance that killed off any chance of a UUP comeback.
Quote from: ziggysego on May 09, 2010, 06:28:50 PM
Quote from: MW on May 09, 2010, 05:58:24 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 07, 2010, 07:26:51 PM
I take it that with the UCUNF, or whatever it was called getting hammered ,
that most Unionists have no interest in voting for or belonging to a so called "National" Party from over the water ?
The first steps on the road to a "Closer Ireland " ??
Sadly the Conservatives and Unionists' campaign was an exemplary lesson in how not to run an election campaign.
Could have had an appeal (and to be fair it did take a significant chunk of the vote) but looks like the alliance is done for now.
I know plenty of UUP voters who turned their backs on them this year, due to their alliance with the Tories. It was that alliance that killed off any chance of a UUP comeback.
Fair point, I know a couple of left-leaning UUP voters who felt they couldn't vote for a Conservative ticket.
That said, I know others who were enthused by the prospect of voting for a party involved in real national politics and cast a vote they wouldn't have otherwise. Personally, I most likely would've voted Conservative rather than UUP if the pact hadn't been in place.
Looks to me like most Unionists dont want to be "National " Brits ;)
Quote from: ONeill on May 08, 2010, 05:47:47 PM
How the candidates from NI fared across the water
The general election counts were a late night and early morning of mixed fortunes for candidates from Northern Ireland who were running for parties across the water.
The most high profile casualty was Liberal Democrat candidate Lembit Opik, who lost his seat in Montgomeryshire in Wales to the Conservatives.
The chat-show regular who has had high profile relationships with ITV weathergirl Sian Lloyd and one-half of the Cheeky Girls, Gabriela Irimia, lost to Glyn Davies despite defending a majority of more than 7,000 from 2005.
Five years on, the Conservative candidate managed a swing of over 13%.
Mr Opik, who was born and raised in Bangor, County Down, said he was "disappointed" by the result and admitted that it was unexpected.
"It is a sad time for me. On the other side, if you stand for politics, you have to be willing to contemplate defeat."
There was better news for Belfast-born Kate Hoey, who confirmed expectations by holding on comfortably to the Vaxuhall constituency in north London.
Her vote of 21,498 was just under a 50% share of the vote, giving her a majority of 10,651 over the Liberal Democrat challenger in second place.
Another London contender was Oxford-educated barrister Joanne Cash from County Armagh. Dubbed one of "Cameron's Cuties", she had been heavily tipped to win the seat of Westminster North from Labour.
However, in a result which confirmed the occasional quirkiness of how the night panned out nationwide, Ms Cash was defeated by the Labour candidate by 2,126.
The former Banbridge Academy pupil, who is expecting her first baby with husband Octavius Black, a friend of David Cameron, has blamed media reports about her for her failure to take the seat.
Meanwhile, another Conservative from Northern Ireland, Gareth McKeever from Tyrone, failed to win his target seat.
He stood in Westmorland and Lonsdale in the Lake District but finished second to Tom Farron of the Liberal Democrats, who maintained a majority of more than 12,000.
An Oxford graduate, who worked in high finance in London, Mr McKeever reportedly sold his flat in the capital to move to the north.
Meanwhile, the Secretary of State Shaun Woodward retained his St Helens and Whiston seat with a majority of 14,122.
NIO minister Paul Goggins won a majority of 7,575 in Wythenshawe and Sale East despite a swing of 5.7% from Labour to the Conservatives.
Shadow Secretary of State Owen Paterson easily retained his seat in Shropshire North, winning a majority of 15,828 over the Liberal Democrat in second place.
In Bournemouth East Conor Burns (Tory) got in- he's a Belfast Catholic, think he's lived in dear ol Blighty for most of his life though.
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 09, 2010, 03:48:45 PM
McDonnell thanked everyone who voted for him. He did it again on The Politics Show today and he included the SF voters in that. But he was hardly going to be as blatant as SF as the SDLP never supported a pact. He can hardly come along after the election and decide that a pact was a good idea after all.
Did you watch the same show I did!
AlisDAIR did thank all his voters, but he was also an arrogant p***k and he even had the tenacity to call John O'Dowd and SF arrogant!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00sdfrm/The_Politics_Show_Northern_Ireland_09_05_2010/
53 mins in, the mans an obnoxious p***k.
You ask me if I watched the same show yet you don't disagree with what I said. Is this just another excuse for you to use some classy language and be generally abusive?
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on May 09, 2010, 10:28:17 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 09, 2010, 03:48:45 PM
McDonnell thanked everyone who voted for him. He did it again on The Politics Show today and he included the SF voters in that. But he was hardly going to be as blatant as SF as the SDLP never supported a pact. He can hardly come along after the election and decide that a pact was a good idea after all.
Did you watch the same show I did!
AlisDAIR did thank all his voters, but he was also an arrogant p***k and he even had the tenacity to call John O'Dowd and SF arrogant!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00sdfrm/The_Politics_Show_Northern_Ireland_09_05_2010/
53 mins in, the mans an obnoxious p***k.
Unreal was at the North Belfast count and couldn't believe my eyes at one stage to see Alban Maginness sitting beside Dodds laughing and joking just before the result was announced
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 10, 2010, 07:36:32 AM
You ask me if I watched the same show yet you don't disagree with what I said. Is this just another excuse for you to use some classy language and be generally abusive?
And you called me sensitive! ;)
If telling you to suck a sweet and move on was abusive then I apologise.
Quote from: glens abu on May 10, 2010, 10:38:20 AM
Unreal was at the North Belfast count and couldn't believe my eyes at one stage to see Alban Maginness sitting beside Dodds laughing and joking just before the result was announced
Unreal indeed. Who do they think they are, the Chuckle Brothers?
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on May 10, 2010, 10:49:18 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 10, 2010, 07:36:32 AM
You ask me if I watched the same show yet you don't disagree with what I said. Is this just another excuse for you to use some classy language and be generally abusive?
And you called me sensitive! ;)
If telling you to suck a sweet and move on was abusive then I apologise.
I wasn't referring to your comments at me at all - water off a duck's back. I was referring to your "arrogant p***k" comments.
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 10, 2010, 01:09:45 PM
Quote from: glens abu on May 10, 2010, 10:38:20 AM
Unreal was at the North Belfast count and couldn't believe my eyes at one stage to see Alban Maginness sitting beside Dodds laughing and joking just before the result was announced
Unreal indeed. Who do they think they are, the Chuckle Brothers?
What's the big deal about that? I was in Stormont and see Sinn Féin and DUP politicians talking... yip! and even laughing. So what?....
All this "we don't like each other" bollocks is strictly for the cameras and hardline electorate.
Quote from: Minder on May 10, 2010, 01:20:09 PM
All this "we don't like each other" bollocks is strictly for the cameras and hardline electorate.
Yep, and as is evident here, some of them swallow it hook, line and sinker.
Quote from: longrunsthefox on May 10, 2010, 01:18:25 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 10, 2010, 01:09:45 PM
Quote from: glens abu on May 10, 2010, 10:38:20 AM
Unreal was at the North Belfast count and couldn't believe my eyes at one stage to see Alban Maginness sitting beside Dodds laughing and joking just before the result was announced
Unreal indeed. Who do they think they are, the Chuckle Brothers?
What's the big deal about that? I was in Stormont and see Sinn Féin and DUP politicians talking... yip! and even laughing. So what?....
The big deal was that Dodds had just won the seat and Alban was happy to sit and joke with him when he knew that it was his standing that had helped Dodds win it from Kelly.Yet when we met on the canvas and also at the centre he couldn't even pass the time of day,think it just showed that he was happy enough to see Dodds win the seat.The only good thing is that now we have close to 3 quotas we might take his Assembly seat next time around and wipe the smile from his face.
Quote from: glens abu on May 10, 2010, 01:40:58 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on May 10, 2010, 01:18:25 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 10, 2010, 01:09:45 PM
Quote from: glens abu on May 10, 2010, 10:38:20 AM
Unreal was at the North Belfast count and couldn't believe my eyes at one stage to see Alban Maginness sitting beside Dodds laughing and joking just before the result was announced
Unreal indeed. Who do they think they are, the Chuckle Brothers?
What's the big deal about that? I was in Stormont and see Sinn Féin and DUP politicians talking... yip! and even laughing. So what?....
The big deal was that Dodds had just won the seat and Alban was happy to sit and joke with him when he knew that it was his standing that had helped Dodds win it from Kelly.Yet when we met on the canvas and also at the centre he couldn't even pass the time of day,think it just showed that he was happy enough to see Dodds win the seat.The only good thing is that now we have close to 3 quotas we might take his Assembly seat next time around and wipe the smile from his face.
You didn't say all that in the first post... if Alban wouldn't speak to youse that was bad form and I'm sure the Sinn Féin workers were queuing up to have a cup of tea and chat with him ::)
Quote from: longrunsthefox on May 10, 2010, 01:54:06 PM
Quote from: glens abu on May 10, 2010, 01:40:58 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on May 10, 2010, 01:18:25 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 10, 2010, 01:09:45 PM
Quote from: glens abu on May 10, 2010, 10:38:20 AM
Unreal was at the North Belfast count and couldn't believe my eyes at one stage to see Alban Maginness sitting beside Dodds laughing and joking just before the result was announced
Unreal indeed. Who do they think they are, the Chuckle Brothers?
What's the big deal about that? I was in Stormont and see Sinn Féin and DUP politicians talking... yip! and even laughing. So what?....
The big deal was that Dodds had just won the seat and Alban was happy to sit and joke with him when he knew that it was his standing that had helped Dodds win it from Kelly.Yet when we met on the canvas and also at the centre he couldn't even pass the time of day,think it just showed that he was happy enough to see Dodds win the seat.The only good thing is that now we have close to 3 quotas we might take his Assembly seat next time around and wipe the smile from his face.
You didn't say all that in the first post... if Alban wouldn't speak to youse that was bad form and I'm sure the Sinn Féin workers were queuing up to have a cup of tea and chat with him ::)
No don't think we were but to see him so cosy with Dodds in the heat of battle was a bit sickening,sure we all speak to each other at Stormont and elsewere when there is business to be done but to see his interaction with the DUP at the count was unbelievable
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 10, 2010, 01:14:06 PM
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on May 10, 2010, 10:49:18 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 10, 2010, 07:36:32 AM
You ask me if I watched the same show yet you don't disagree with what I said. Is this just another excuse for you to use some classy language and be generally abusive?
And you called me sensitive! ;)
If telling you to suck a sweet and move on was abusive then I apologise.
I wasn't referring to your comments at me at all - water off a duck's back. I was referring to your "arrogant p***k" comments.
In fairness that was about McDonnell and I'm not alone in my opinions of him.
Quote from: glens abu on May 10, 2010, 02:21:30 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on May 10, 2010, 01:54:06 PM
Quote from: glens abu on May 10, 2010, 01:40:58 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on May 10, 2010, 01:18:25 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 10, 2010, 01:09:45 PM
Quote from: glens abu on May 10, 2010, 10:38:20 AM
Unreal was at the North Belfast count and couldn't believe my eyes at one stage to see Alban Maginness sitting beside Dodds laughing and joking just before the result was announced
Unreal indeed. Who do they think they are, the Chuckle Brothers?
What's the big deal about that? I was in Stormont and see Sinn Féin and DUP politicians talking... yip! and even laughing. So what?....
The big deal was that Dodds had just won the seat and Alban was happy to sit and joke with him when he knew that it was his standing that had helped Dodds win it from Kelly.Yet when we met on the canvas and also at the centre he couldn't even pass the time of day,think it just showed that he was happy enough to see Dodds win the seat.The only good thing is that now we have close to 3 quotas we might take his Assembly seat next time around and wipe the smile from his face.
You didn't say all that in the first post... if Alban wouldn't speak to youse that was bad form and I'm sure the Sinn Féin workers were queuing up to have a cup of tea and chat with him ::)
No don't think we were but to see him so cosy with Dodds in the heat of battle was a bit sickening,sure we all speak to each other at Stormont and elsewere when there is business to be done but to see his interaction with the DUP at the count was unbelievable
You have a point there alright... they seem to be total anti-Sinn Féin to the extent they would help the DUP into power. Their behaviour in this election has been appalling. As for rival politicians laughing together, I read nothing into that but in this context maybe you are right.
Brown resigning.
Quote from: SambaSaffron on May 10, 2010, 05:12:30 PM
Brown resigning.
Looks like the pieces are falling into place for a Lab/Lib Dem British Government.
Quote from: ziggysego on May 10, 2010, 05:14:23 PM
Quote from: SambaSaffron on May 10, 2010, 05:12:30 PM
Brown resigning.
Looks like the pieces are falling into place for a Lab/Lib Dem British Government.
The fence sitting Lib Dems can't make a decision. Big shock. Odds shortening on a Labour/Lib Dem pact. Some integrity by Clegg.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 10, 2010, 06:53:39 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on May 10, 2010, 05:14:23 PM
Quote from: SambaSaffron on May 10, 2010, 05:12:30 PM
Brown resigning.
Looks like the pieces are falling into place for a Lab/Lib Dem British Government.
The fence sitting Lib Dems can't make a decision. Big shock. Odds shortening on a Labour/Lib Dem pact. Some integrity by Clegg.
I wouldn't call it fence sitting - he's playing the game, holding out for the best deal possible. Also, Clegg can't make any decision on his own, so there's no point in him scrambling somthing together that he can't get through the party structures.
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 10, 2010, 07:15:19 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 10, 2010, 06:53:39 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on May 10, 2010, 05:14:23 PM
Quote from: SambaSaffron on May 10, 2010, 05:12:30 PM
Brown resigning.
Looks like the pieces are falling into place for a Lab/Lib Dem British Government.
The fence sitting Lib Dems can't make a decision. Big shock. Odds shortening on a Labour/Lib Dem pact. Some integrity by Clegg.
I wouldn't call it fence sitting - he's playing the game, holding out for the best deal possible. Also, Clegg can't make any decision on his own, so there's no point in him scrambling somthing together that he can't get through the party structures.
Is it the best deal for his party or the best deal for the electorate?
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 10, 2010, 07:15:19 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 10, 2010, 06:53:39 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on May 10, 2010, 05:14:23 PM
Quote from: SambaSaffron on May 10, 2010, 05:12:30 PM
Brown resigning.
Looks like the pieces are falling into place for a Lab/Lib Dem British Government.
The fence sitting Lib Dems can't make a decision. Big shock. Odds shortening on a Labour/Lib Dem pact. Some integrity by Clegg.
I wouldn't call it fence sitting - he's playing the game, holding out for the best deal possible. Also, Clegg can't make any decision on his own, so there's no point in him scrambling somthing together that he can't get through the party structures.
I wonder at what stage the public will get sick of clegg and co looking for election reform when the country is in the mess it is in and there's no government.
I wouldn't blame him. If I was a Lib Dem I wouldn't be leaving without having electoral reform in the bag. They could wait a long time to get another crack at it.
Looks like the Lib Dems' game is working. Tories offering a referendum on AV now.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on May 10, 2010, 07:35:05 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 10, 2010, 07:15:19 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 10, 2010, 06:53:39 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on May 10, 2010, 05:14:23 PM
Quote from: SambaSaffron on May 10, 2010, 05:12:30 PM
Brown resigning.
Looks like the pieces are falling into place for a Lab/Lib Dem British Government.
The fence sitting Lib Dems can't make a decision. Big shock. Odds shortening on a Labour/Lib Dem pact. Some integrity by Clegg.
I wouldn't call it fence sitting - he's playing the game, holding out for the best deal possible. Also, Clegg can't make any decision on his own, so there's no point in him scrambling somthing together that he can't get through the party structures.
I wonder at what stage the public will get sick of clegg and co looking for election reform when the country is in the mess it is in and there's no government.
There is a Government, a Labour Government. Up until the English Queen's speech, 28th May I think. Up to that point, the Lib Dems can take all the time in the world to extract the best deal for them, from Labour and the Tories to form a new Government.
Quote from: ziggysego on May 11, 2010, 12:47:58 PM
There is a Government, a Labour Government. Up until the English Queen's speech, 28th May I think. Up to that point, the Lib Dems can take all the time in the world to extract the best deal for them, from Labour and the Tories to form a new Government.
Even after that. There is always a Government regardless. The 'Queen' won't accept a resignation untill there is someone acceptable ready to step in. That can go on for another 7 years if need be.
Quote from: Zapatista on May 11, 2010, 12:57:55 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on May 11, 2010, 12:47:58 PM
There is a Government, a Labour Government. Up until the English Queen's speech, 28th May I think. Up to that point, the Lib Dems can take all the time in the world to extract the best deal for them, from Labour and the Tories to form a new Government.
Even after that. There is always a Government regardless. The 'Queen' won't accept a resignation untill there is someone acceptable ready to step in. That can go on for another 7 years if need be.
Yeah, well I know that. I just meant that due to an eventuality of a hung parliament, there's a law to cope with that.
Apologies, I've been disinterested to this point - what % of the national vote did the Lib Dems get?
Quote from: Billys Boots on May 11, 2010, 01:12:03 PM
Apologies, I've been disinterested to this point - what % of the national vote did the Lib Dems get?
23% (I think)
And they get 9% of the seats? Jaysus, then won't the party focus everything on getting a PR system in place, to the exclusion of essentially everything else?
Quote from: Billys Boots on May 11, 2010, 01:37:15 PM
And they get 9% of the seats? Jaysus, then won't the party focus everything on getting a PR system in place, to the exclusion of essentially everything else?
It would appear to-date, the Labour Government is offering them a PR system and a full coalition Government, with Cabinet places. The Tories aren't offering a coalition, meerly consessions on certain points and a AV review.
Quote from: Billys Boots on May 11, 2010, 01:37:15 PM
And they get 9% of the seats? Jaysus, then won't the party focus everything on getting a PR system in place, to the exclusion of essentially everything else?
It is ridiculous alright Billy,
Cons 36% of vote but 47% of the seats
Labour 29% of vote but 39.5% of the seats
Libs 23% of vote but only 8.76% of the seats
The rest 12% of vote but only 4.3% of the seats!!
You can also see why a Labour Party moving rapidly from left-to-centre would be more comfortable with the concept of competing in a PR-system than the Tories - even though Clegg would appear to a more 'comfortable' (ouch) bedfellow for the Conservatives.
William Hills have closed the book on a Lib Con deal. BBC reporting that Labour are about to announce that talks with Libs are over. Cons/Libs will not need NI MPs...so here come the big cuts!!
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on May 11, 2010, 03:55:23 PM
William Hills have closed the book on a Lib Con deal. BBC reporting that Labour are about to announce that talks with Libs are over. Cons/Libs will not need NI MPs...so here come the big cuts!!
Signs that it may soon all be over
Nick Robinson | 15:13 UK time, Tuesday, 11 May 2010
• A senior Lib Dem who's sympathetic to Labour who just told me the deal couldn't be done.
• News that, at last night's Liberal Democrat parliamentary meeting, not one but all four party negotiators reported back their fear that Labour was not serious about negotiations and was, instead, turning its minds to the forthcoming leadership contest.
• The fact that Vince Cable, who's so far kept his counsel, told the same meeting that though he had roots in the Labour Party he too feared that there might be only one serious offer.
• Andy Burnham apparently joining David Blunkett, John Reid, Tom Harris et al in telling his party that they should accept they have lost.
• The resumption of talks between the Tories and the Lib Dems.
• The sight of Gordon Brown's allies heading to Downing Street perhaps for one last farewell.
• The clincher for many, though, will be the sight of John Prescott calling for something he spent years fighting against - an alliance with the Liberals.
Quote from: ziggysego on May 11, 2010, 04:20:48 PM
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on May 11, 2010, 03:55:23 PM
William Hills have closed the book on a Lib Con deal. BBC reporting that Labour are about to announce that talks with Libs are over. Cons/Libs will not need NI MPs...so here come the big cuts!!
Signs that it may soon all be over
Nick Robinson | 15:13 UK time, Tuesday, 11 May 2010
• A senior Lib Dem who's sympathetic to Labour who just told me the deal couldn't be done.
• News that, at last night's Liberal Democrat parliamentary meeting, not one but all four party negotiators reported back their fear that Labour was not serious about negotiations and was, instead, turning its minds to the forthcoming leadership contest.
• The fact that Vince Cable, who's so far kept his counsel, told the same meeting that though he had roots in the Labour Party he too feared that there might be only one serious offer.
• Andy Burnham apparently joining David Blunkett, John Reid, Tom Harris et al in telling his party that they should accept they have lost.
• The resumption of talks between the Tories and the Lib Dems.
• The sight of Gordon Brown's allies heading to Downing Street perhaps for one last farewell.
• The clincher for many, though, will be the sight of John Prescott calling for something he spent years fighting against - an alliance with the Liberals.
It will be interesting to see how Ritchie, McDonnell & Durkan will stop the cuts in NI with their power base of 3. We'll be there...watching things happen
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on May 11, 2010, 01:54:33 PM
Cons 36% of vote but 47% of the seats
Labour 29% of vote but 39.5% of the seats
Libs 23% of vote but only 8.76% of the seats
The rest 12% of vote but only 4.3% of the seats!!
Has anyone worked out how PR would impact on the 18 seats here? You'd imagine the UUP would pick up at least one or two anyway.
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on May 11, 2010, 04:23:13 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on May 11, 2010, 04:20:48 PM
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on May 11, 2010, 03:55:23 PM
William Hills have closed the book on a Lib Con deal. BBC reporting that Labour are about to announce that talks with Libs are over. Cons/Libs will not need NI MPs...so here come the big cuts!!
Signs that it may soon all be over
Nick Robinson | 15:13 UK time, Tuesday, 11 May 2010
• A senior Lib Dem who's sympathetic to Labour who just told me the deal couldn't be done.
• News that, at last night's Liberal Democrat parliamentary meeting, not one but all four party negotiators reported back their fear that Labour was not serious about negotiations and was, instead, turning its minds to the forthcoming leadership contest.
• The fact that Vince Cable, who's so far kept his counsel, told the same meeting that though he had roots in the Labour Party he too feared that there might be only one serious offer.
• Andy Burnham apparently joining David Blunkett, John Reid, Tom Harris et al in telling his party that they should accept they have lost.
• The resumption of talks between the Tories and the Lib Dems.
• The sight of Gordon Brown's allies heading to Downing Street perhaps for one last farewell.
• The clincher for many, though, will be the sight of John Prescott calling for something he spent years fighting against - an alliance with the Liberals.
It will be interesting to see how Ritchie, McDonnell & Durkan will stop the cuts in NI with their power base of 3. We'll be there...watching things happen
You' ll be delighted when they fail.
When we are getting hammered by the cuts you'll be laughing your head off as you suffer like everybody else!!!
cut.......nose........face
It will be even more interesting watching adams et al explain how their abstentionist policy is helping to argue against cuts
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on May 14, 2010, 11:08:55 PM
It will be even more interesting watching adams et al explain how their abstentionist policy is helping to argue against cuts
And yet even MORE interesting to see how you answer the questions I posed on the Fermanagh/South Tyrone Thread.
Or are you ignoring me again because you dont have answers?
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 11, 2010, 04:23:56 PM
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on May 11, 2010, 01:54:33 PM
Cons 36% of vote but 47% of the seats
Labour 29% of vote but 39.5% of the seats
Libs 23% of vote but only 8.76% of the seats
The rest 12% of vote but only 4.3% of the seats!!
Has anyone worked out how PR would impact on the 18 seats here? You'd imagine the UUP would pick up at least one or two anyway.
Maguire1 as best as I can, same breakdown:
DUP - 25% of the vote, 44.5% of the seats
Sinn Féin - 25.5% of the vote, 27.7% of the seats
SDLP - 16.5% of the vote, 16.7% of the seats
UUP/Cons - 15.2% of the vote, 0% of the seats
Alliance - 6.3% of the vote, 5.5% of the seats
Others - 11.5% of the vote, 5.5% of the seats
QuoteDUP - 25% of the vote, 44.5% of the seats
Sinn Féin - 25.5% of the vote, 27.7% of the seats
SDLP - 16.5% of the vote, 16.7% of the seats
UUP/Cons - 15.2% of the vote, 0% of the seats
Alliance - 6.3% of the vote, 5.5% of the seats
Others - 11.5% of the vote, 5.5% of the seats
Overall in NI nationalists, unionists and Alliance are pretty proportional as it happens in this election. It would depend how a PR system would work for Westminister. Single seat PR would not have made much change unless a unionist sneaked in for East Belfast. That said some of the Ringland voters would have transferred to Long. The only difference in single seat PR is that people would vote for their party before transferring to the person on their side e.g. SF voters in South Belfast or SDLP voters in FST.
The proposed system is AV and not PR. It will mean that McDonnell will have a tight squeeze in SB but I suspect he might well hold on. Gildernew is safe in FST. Ritchie and Durkan are safe as houses since they can now pick up all the unionist transfers to stop SF. Gerry Kelly will never take NB for the same reason. Long should hold on in EB as the alliance are transfer magnets. McCrea would be in trouble in SA and possibly Simpson in UB.
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Only one left to post then. You're doing well not to spoil us with all 3 at the same time.
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 15, 2010, 03:25:08 PM
Only one left to post then. You're doing well not to spoil us with all 3 at the same time.
Trying to string them out until I can get video footage of the real thing.
Ramming fecking propaganda down our throats are you. im voting SDLP - God bless the Queen.
Quote from: whiskeysteve on May 15, 2010, 05:24:44 PM
Ramming fecking propaganda down our throats are you. im voting SDLP - God bless the Queen.
Telling it like it is maybe????
I think everyone knows how it is. And they knew before the election too.
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on May 15, 2010, 06:12:56 PM
Quote from: whiskeysteve on May 15, 2010, 05:24:44 PM
Ramming fecking propaganda down our throats are you. im voting SDLP - God bless the Queen.
Telling it like it is maybe????
No hes telling it like Julius Streicher would. Hes nearly advocating that we attack SDLP members
Quote from: whiskeysteve on May 15, 2010, 07:33:34 PM
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on May 15, 2010, 06:12:56 PM
Quote from: whiskeysteve on May 15, 2010, 05:24:44 PM
Ramming fecking propaganda down our throats are you. im voting SDLP - God bless the Queen.
Telling it like it is maybe????
No hes telling it like Julius Streicher would. Hes nearly advocating that we attack SDLP members
Warning exaggeration alert.... ::)
And Godwins law to boot, well done! :D
Gone into hiding ardmhacaabu? ??? ??? ???
Quote from: Ulick on May 15, 2010, 01:08:35 PM
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Can you do a mock-up of SF Ministers sending Bills for Royal Assent? ;)
Quote from: slow corner back on May 15, 2010, 11:42:41 AM
The proposed system is AV and not PR. It will mean that McDonnell will have a tight squeeze in SB but I suspect he might well hold on. Gildernew is safe in FST. Ritchie and Durkan are safe as houses since they can now pick up all the unionist transfers to stop SF. Gerry Kelly will never take NB for the same reason. Long should hold on in EB as the alliance are transfer magnets. McCrea would be in trouble in SA and possibly Simpson in UB.
It would put a stop to communalist pacts/standings-down at a stroke - FST and SB especially.
Ritchie and Durkan would lose 'votes' (i.e. fewer 1s than Xs but would get a great bulk of unionist transfers I would have thought.
As you say, South Antrim would be very much in play.
It would be interesting to see how much a move to AV would lead to NI parties actively pitching across the 'divide' for second and lower preference votes.
It certainly would kill any electoral pacts ideas which would be a good thing. SB would be tight but as I said I think McDonnell might scrape it as the unionist majority there is paper thin and he would pick up alliance transfers as wel as SF and some UUP. I think the SDLP under Ritchie would very much pitch across the divide with the hard working MPs line. They would hold what they have (IMO) but I cannot see them picking up another seat. The UUP may pick up one or two at the DUPs expense.