Right lads, we can't let the week pass without some discussion on the big game this weekend.
Can Tipp take the Cats ?
What will the KK team be ? Hickey in ? Who might be dropped ?
KK midfield ?
You would have to think it will be a close enough game Orangeman and I see Tipp coming out a couple of points to the good. Hopefully Kelly will shine.
I think kilkenny by about seven, they have so much all over the field and on the bench. if they get a lead at all tipp are in serious trouble. Kilkenny also seem to have something in reserve all year and with this being the final you can guarantee cody will have them chomping at the bit. Should be competitive for the first half but i cant see tipp staying with the cats for much longer than that.
i going for a Tipp win
Tipp will come out flying, they have got off to a great start in every game this year in the championship and there is no reason why they wont start off like that again. Lar Corrbet is a bit like Eddie Brennan, in the space of five minutes he could score 2-3.
course Kilkenny will want that start also and have the power to do so but they will have to work defensively early on. the crucial part of the game will be the 50 minute period. if Tipp can compete during this period then they will have a chance of stopping Kilkenny.
what we don't want (us neutrals) is for Kilkenny to have the game won by the first ten minutes. I'll leave and head to the pub
Who is reffing ? Can we expect Tipp to take the "game" to KK ala National League Final tactics ?
Get ripped into them, go toe to toe, and try and out muscle them ?
Going to go for a Kilkenny win, They are just awesome, i think the key to beating Tipp is to nullify their half forwards and in Walsh, Hogan and JJ (if he plays there) i really think they will stiffle this line.
Kilkenny 2-14
Tipp 1:13
Max, it's bound to be be a higher score line than that!!
i'm going for 2-18 Kilkenny
3-16 Tipp
It'll be high scoring alright but a lot will depend on how much ball Tipp can get into their fullforward line and i just can't see the Tipp half backs/midfield/half forwards dominating for long enough to allow that to happen.
Kilkenny have the better bench if lads fail to perform and that will make the difference.
Kilkenny by 5 but it won't be a foregone conclusion long before the final whistle.
If this bad weather continues and the surface is as bad as it was on Sunday then I would worry about this being a good game. In relation to the game outcome I just can't see how the Tipp half forward line can compete with the KK half back line. KK by 5+ I think
Tipperarys full forward line will prove to much for kks fb line. Kilkenny will get more scores than tipp but tipp will get goals and that was proven against limerick... tipp to win by 2 ;D
If it rains on Sunday, the game will be a shambles. Skates will be needed.
Dunno if this has been shown on the board before...
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I think KK will just about win in what will hopefully be a good close enthralling encounter!
Kirwan is reffing .Paul Flynn said on Sunday game that the last time KK were properly reffed was in the league final of 2007. Hardly fair comment. Paul failed to mention that they could have done without a ref at all in last years' AI final. All they neeed was someone that was good at counting the KK scores.
Kilkenny by 5. Hopefully Saturday and Sunday are dry and the match is competitive for an hour anyway.
Has the potential to be a real classic. Kilkenny by 5.
Will this be a sell out? I know ALl-Irelands usually are but I remember the last couple of years people saying there were a lot of tickets floating around on the days of the hurling final. Wouldnt mind going to this if there were tickets knocking about on the day.
I would say so, I know a few people finding it hard to get tickets, come Saturday I would say some will be floating around (there normally is on AI Hurling final weekend)
Just hope the final is as good as the league final this year and that this time tipp hold on to win.
Is it just me or are tickets particularly hard to come by this year?
Any way I'm looking forward to a good match after a few poor finals in recent years. Kilkenny by 3 or 4 pts. The minor should be good as well. I could watch Canning all day long.
Quote from: Guillem2 on September 02, 2009, 08:23:29 PM
Is it just me or are tickets particularly hard to come by this year?
Any way I'm looking forward to a good match after a few poor finals in recent years. Kilkenny by 3 or 4 pts. The minor should be good as well. I could watch Canning all day long.
Dunno about that, there are six of us going down and we should all be sorted tomorrow with maybe one to spare. It is to be a real pish of a day on Sunday in Dublin so it could be a bollocks of a game.
just got my usual allocation, 60 quid is steep (hope the wife doesn't read this) but rain or shine the crowds will be down. think there is also some spare tickets at the minute from what i'm hearing
Tickets are in big demand this year.
After two dud finals with Waterford and Limerick, the hurling public are hungry for a truly great battle of giants.
In fairness the traditional counties nearly always serve up a classic when they meet.
Quote from: Premier Emperor on September 03, 2009, 07:01:13 PM
In fairness the traditional counties nearly always serve up a classic when they meet.
Some of the recent Kilkenny v Cork finals were far from classics. Tipp I suppose haven't been in many finals against either side in recent memory. The 91 final wasn't a bad game in fairness.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 03, 2009, 07:33:23 PM
Quote from: Premier Emperor on September 03, 2009, 07:01:13 PM
In fairness the traditional counties nearly always serve up a classic when they meet.
Some of the recent Kilkenny v Cork finals were far from classics. Tipp I suppose haven't been in many finals against either side in recent memory. The 91 final wasn't a bad game in fairness.
If memory serves me right the '91 final was brutal.
Quote from: Minder on September 03, 2009, 07:35:19 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 03, 2009, 07:33:23 PM
Quote from: Premier Emperor on September 03, 2009, 07:01:13 PM
In fairness the traditional counties nearly always serve up a classic when they meet.
Some of the recent Kilkenny v Cork finals were far from classics. Tipp I suppose haven't been in many finals against either side in recent memory. The 91 final wasn't a bad game in fairness.
If memory serves me right the '91 final was brutal.
I only have a hazy enough memory of it. I know it was close enough anyway for most of the game. Either way the point stands. The "traditional counties" do not always serve up instant classics. Far from it.
Quote from: Minder on September 03, 2009, 07:35:19 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 03, 2009, 07:33:23 PM
Quote from: Premier Emperor on September 03, 2009, 07:01:13 PM
In fairness the traditional counties nearly always serve up a classic when they meet.
Some of the recent Kilkenny v Cork finals were far from classics. Tipp I suppose haven't been in many finals against either side in recent memory. The 91 final wasn't a bad game in fairness.
If memory serves me right the '91 final was brutal.
In '91 the Minor Game was exciting, but the Senior Game was poor.
Kilkenny by 6 this time around.
Any sign of any teams yet?
Noel Hickey didn't play the semi isn't that right? They'd hardly play him the final would they?
Is Eoin Kelly fully fit or still carrying injuries?
I expect the minor game to be a cracker. If Tipp can up their game then the final could be good too however I fear that Kilkenny will be that bit too good.
Quotehttp://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2009/0904/1224253820504.html
TIPPERARY HAVE named an unchanged side for Sunday's All-Ireland hurling final.
Unsurprisingly in the light of the 24-point semi-final demolition of Limerick, manager Liam Sheedy and his selectors have opted to retain the starting 15 from last month despite late injury fears about wing back Declan Fanning.
The Killenaule player hurt his hamstring within the last week in training, but has been included and will play, according to county PRO Ger Ryan.
Fanning has played every minute of the championship campaign to date, one of only three players, along with Paddy Stapleton and Pádraic Maher, to have done so.
Three of the team also started the 2001 All-Ireland final success against Galway, the last time the county featured in the All-Ireland decider.
Goalkeeper Brendan Cummins, full forward Eoin Kelly and left corner forward Lar Corbett all lined out eight years ago.
Substitute Paul Kelly also started, while John O'Brien and Paul Curran were on the panel.
Curran will be the only player to have started all of Tipperary's NHL and championship matches, although O'Brien and James Woodlock have appeared at some stage in all of them.
Four players, Pádraic Maher, Brendan Maher, Séamus Callanan and Noel McGrath were part of the All-Ireland winning minor teams from the county in 2006 and '07.
Four of the team started the last championship meeting with Kilkenny, six years ago in the All-Ireland semi-final when, despite leading at half-time, Tipp went down to a 12-point defeat – Brendan Cummins, Paul Curran, Eoin Kelly and Lar Corbett.
I really hope Tipp do it. Its important for hurling as it is for Tipp. They haven't won since 2001 and before that it must have been the Pat Fox and Nicky English era in the early 90's if my memory serves me right.
However Kilkenny have so much talent its ludicrous. Power, Shefflin and Brennan cant be given an inch. Cha and Lyng probably have the upper hand at midfield.
The only thing that will beat Kilkenny is a lack of hunger. They are more talented and probably physically more dominant. And lack of hunger and work-rate are not something a team coached by Brian Cody is known for.
It'll still be close and hopefully as good as the league final this year. Kilkenny by less than 3.
Don't buy into this notion that its important for hurling that Tipp win on sunday, Kilkenny are awesome and as someone who cheers for teams and players like Schmacher (sp), Woods, Manchester United, the All Blacks etc i find it quite inspiring watching a team ruthlessly and consistently exert their brilliance, Kilkenny are in my mind a once in a generation team and i love to see them in full flow.
Of course at the beginning of the year if you had to pick a final it probaly would have been sundays pairing, the league final was a fantastic advertisment for hard agressive and skillfull hurling. But did Tipp show their hand too early.
I expect Kilkenny to grind out a hard fought win, i think the scoreline will be relatively low given the attacking brilliance on view and that Kilkennys shrewdness tactically could prove the difference, i'd expect shefflin to go into full forward on a relatively inexperienced full back, that may be the big difference
KK for all their greatness haven't been as good this year as others and *some* of their players can definitely be got at - eg. Michael Kavanagh, Hickey (if he plays), Brian Hogan while Gorta and Fogarty are ordinary enough. Tipp, unlike Waterford last year, have the tradition to make a real game of it and enough good players too. I'd be worried about their midfield though. Have to say it wold be great to see them beat the Greatest Team of all time since documented sport began on Earth!
Quote from: mouview on September 04, 2009, 12:21:07 PM
KK for all their greatness haven't been as good this year as others and *some* of their players can definitely be got at - eg. Michael Kavanagh, Hickey (if he plays), Brian Hogan while Gorta and Fogarty are ordinary enough. Tipp, unlike Waterford last year, have the tradition to make a real game of it and enough good players too. I'd be worried about their midfield though. Have to say it wold be great to see them beat the Greatest Team of all time since documented sport began on Earth!
Things must be bad mouview if we have a Galway man shouting for Tipp. ;D
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 04, 2009, 01:07:15 PM
Quote from: mouview on September 04, 2009, 12:21:07 PM
KK for all their greatness haven't been as good this year as others and *some* of their players can definitely be got at - eg. Michael Kavanagh, Hickey (if he plays), Brian Hogan while Gorta and Fogarty are ordinary enough. Tipp, unlike Waterford last year, have the tradition to make a real game of it and enough good players too. I'd be worried about their midfield though. Have to say it wold be great to see them beat the Greatest Team of all time since documented sport began on Earth!
Things must be bad mouview if we have a Galway man shouting for Tipp. ;D
Not a hope in hell can I bring myself to shout for Tipp! C'mon the Cats............... :D
Can never understand the apathy of Galway fans towards Tipp. Sure there was bad feeling back '89 or so, but our modern day record (post '75 if you like) against the Premier is way better than it is against most other counties; would sooner see us beating KK, Cork, maybe even Waterford and Wexford too in that order at this stage. Getting a little tired of all this 'greatest team ever' spiel, justified though it probably is and King Henry for all his greatness has a good nunber of off / quiet days too. (JC, if nothing else is actually much more consistent - discuss). I usually shout for the underdog anyway.
To be honest Mouview, I agree with most of what you say above but for some deep rooted, ingrained and probably meaningless reason i just cannot ever warm to any Tipp side since the later 80's. I do however think this present KK side is every so slightly on the wane this year but I stilll think they will be a little to streetwise for Tipp on Sunday. KK by 5ish points for me. And yes, JC is a bit ahead of Henry IMO also but we really need to build a team around him and have him displaying his undoubted class on the 1st Sunday in Sept over the next few years.
Best of luck to Mattie and the minors.
Quote from: mouview on September 04, 2009, 12:21:07 PM
KK for all their greatness haven't been as good this year as others and *some* of their players can definitely be got at - eg. Michael Kavanagh, Hickey (if he plays), Brian Hogan while Gorta and Fogarty are ordinary enough. Tipp, unlike Waterford last year, have the tradition to make a real game of it and enough good players too. I'd be worried about their midfield though. Have to say it wold be great to see them beat the Greatest Team of all time since documented sport began on Earth!
In as much as Kavanagh and Delaney might lack a bit of pace nowadays it'll take a huge effort by the Tipp team to expose that weakness as their midfield and halfbacks dominate most teams they play. Hogan may look a bit awkward but he's a handy enough spud and it'll take a very good one to get the better of him over the 70 minutes. He holds the centre of the defence well and it's no wonder once he was fit, Cody had him back right away.
For Tipp to win they'll need to get the Kilkenny half backs facing their own goals a lot and whilst they have a better group of forwards than what Kilkenny have faced this year I think Tipp'll lose the midfield battle and subsequently their forwards will be starved of quality ball.
Anybody else look for hurling coverage in the IN today?
A quarter of a page was all it got. Shocking coverage
2 Pages on Monaghan though for anyone whos interested
Quote from: theskull1 on September 04, 2009, 02:57:51 PM
Anybody else look for hurling coverage in the IN today?
A quarter of a page was all it got. Shocking coverage
2 Pages on Monaghan though for anyone whos interested
Doesn't the 3 pages here show the lack of interest in Hurling from outside the top 8?
Kilkenny 10/11 (-3) is the bet of the weekend.
Quote from: Minder on September 04, 2009, 09:57:12 PM
Kilkenny 10/11 (-3) is the bet of the weekend.
Reckon you're right. 4/9 outright is a good bet too IMO.
If I could make my mind up about the minor match that would bey double sorted.
The weather forecast is dire looking.
On 10-1 the draw.
Just hope to see Kilkenny put to the pin of their collar.
Fear they'll rip Tipp apart.
PJ Ryan
Michael Kavanagh, JJ Delaney, Jackie Tyrell
Tommy Walsh, Brian Hogan, John Tennyson,
Michael Rice, Derek Lyng,
Richie Hogan, Henry Shefflin, Eoin Larkin
Eddie Brennan, Richie Power, Aidan Fogarty
It's their bench that looks a wee bit frightening, but not beyond the Lory Meagher champs.
Looking forward to it. kilkenny's backs will be the winning of it if they perform. And I think they will. Noel McGrath, Eoin Kelly and Lar Corbett, at least 2 of them will be made look ordinary I think and the one left wont be able to carry the can for the rest.
Quote from: orangeman on September 04, 2009, 11:06:46 PM
PJ Ryan
Michael Kavanagh, JJ Delaney, Jackie Tyrell
Tommy Walsh, Brian Hogan, John Tennyson,
Michael Rice, Derek Lyng,
Richie Hogan, Henry Shefflin, Eoin Larkin
Eddie Brennan, Richie Power, Aidan Fogarty
just shows you the strength of kilkenny last years captain cha fitzpatrick dropped to the bench along with martin Comerford plus they have Noel Hickey as back up. The more i think about it the more i think minder is right with his bet of the week WITH kILKENNY AT 10/11 (-3)
KK have had too much over everybody else as past few years. The team they have announced last night looks in the same mould as previous teams. However if someone is not performing, the subs that they have to bring in are serious.
By 5pm tomorrow evening we'll have found out if KK have slipped a bit. Dublin ran them close but I can't help thinking that KK took the eye off the game for spells and underestimated Dublin.
Tipp aren't as good as their semi final showig against an inept Limerick.
I just can't see KK bate tomorrow. 4 in a row titles for KK by at least 5 points.
Gees - Comerford and Fitzpatrick dropped. That's surprising.
Looking forward to seeing what Richie Hogan is made of. He looks a serious hurler and despite KK's obvious talent I think he should have been on long ago.
TJ Reid and Comerford to come in the forwards. That's some serious hurlers to bring on.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 05, 2009, 01:07:49 PM
Gees - Comerford and Fitzpatrick dropped. That's surprising.
Looking forward to seeing what Richie Hogan is made of. He looks a serious hurler and despite KK's obvious talent I think he should have been on long ago.
TJ Reid and Comerford to come in the forwards. That's some serious hurlers to bring on.
only in Kilkenny could you have someone that scored 1-10 (and get mom) in a national league final and then not get on the starting 15 championship team till the final
bets on come on the cats
I've a feeling that Tipp will win it.
Quarter final of 7s
14.30 Burgess v Nenagh
15.00 Moycarky v Cloyne
15.30 Ratheny v Kilruane McDonaghs
16.00 Cratloe v Ballinhassig
Nenagh and Moycarky through to semis
Quote from: ONeill on September 05, 2009, 04:38:47 PM
Nenagh and Moycarky through to semis
Minder just texted me from Stillorgan to say he found Milltown Row face down surrounded by empty wine bottles. Maybe you can intervene.
Nenagh v Moycarky
Kilruane v Ballinhassig
Tipp, Tipp, Tipp and Cork.
Milltown an embarrassment. People just pointing at him.
Rossa and Galls did well. Rossa's only defeat was to Nenagh, 4-12 to 2-5.
Galls bate Dungannon 6-6 to 6-2 but lost to Kileedy.
Final
Moycarkey Borris (Tipperary) v Kilruane McDonaghs (Tipperary)
Babs Keating reckons that HIS Tipp team would beat this Tipp team by 25 points! :D You gotta laugh at babs at times.
Going by the weather forecast it could be pretty wet tomorrow, I think that will play to KKs advantage as they are the physically stronger team, just about. It will reduce the point scoring but may lead to more goals due to defenders slipping. Final score KK 3-15 Tipp 3-12 with Eddie Brennan getting two goals and man of the match and Noel Hickey being brought on shortly after half time to shore up the full back line.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 05, 2009, 07:18:32 PM
Babs Keating reckons that HIS Tipp team would beat this Tipp team by 25 points! :D You gotta laugh at babs at times.
Is that the team he played on in the sixties/seventies or the one he managed in the 80s/90s? A bit harsh whichever one it is!!!
Final
Moycarkey Borris (Tipperary) 8-11 (35)
Kilruane McDonaghs (Tipperary) 4-15 (27)
Quote from: slow corner back on September 05, 2009, 07:20:30 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 05, 2009, 07:18:32 PM
Babs Keating reckons that HIS Tipp team would beat this Tipp team by 25 points! :D You gotta laugh at babs at times.
Is that the team he played on in the sixties/seventies or the one he managed in the 80s/90s? A bit harsh whichever one it is!!!
One in the 60s and 70s.
not a great day for hurling but at least during the minor match no one was slipping around the place, head say kk but i'd love to see tipp do it. tipp are a good strong team and will put it up to kk - 4 in a row would be some achievement by kk tho. .
Some match. The ref is letting alot go but the match is probably much the better for it. Though Tipp should have had a free out near the end for grabbing the facemask instead the ref gave the free in for lying on the ball and Kilkenny went one point up. Great game, come on Tipp.
Kilkenny haven't woke up since half time... Tipp are gonna win this
Refereeing has been beyond a disgrace unfortunately. I'll for letting the game flow, but Kirwan is taking the piss.
No justice really. Walsh has been carrying out bodybags for years and got away with it.
Could not see it on the radio.
Did Benny Dunne pull on him or was he 'playing the ball'???
Thx.
Too bad.
Sounds like some final, Micheal doesn't need to make it seem so.
Watch the replay. It was a dirty act. Didn't look like it initially.
He could yet have lost them this match.
Doesn't matter what a man does. Pulling on a man's face is a dirty act.
dreadful decision by Kirwan considering some of the shit he's let go
Bollix - knew when your man got sent off they'd likely steal this match.
Crap. The number 7 can't stay with Comerford at all.
Hope Kirwan doesn't take holidays in Tipp
Now the Ref decides to give Tipp a call or two >:(
Tipp will be gutted if they lose this...
That's a young team though and will take some watching in the next few years.
That f**king penalty turned that game for them!!
Great match.
Dunne should be disgusted with himself. Sickening belt, I'm not a fan of Tommy Walsh but he blatantly hit him in the face. He had to go. But a few Kilkenny lads should have got a yellow card right before that incident but they got off with a word and nothing more.
The fans now on the field. They have to let them out now, stupid not letting them out in the first place.
Plan b!!
Great game of hurling ruined by a bad referee.
Who's stupid idea was it to have the presentation on the field ???
Quote from: INDIANA on September 06, 2009, 04:44:05 PM
No justice really. Walsh has been carrying out bodybags for years and got away with it.
Maybe, I unserstand where yor coming from Indiana, I cant stand him he should have been sent off against Galway earlier in the year but Dunne had to go, it was a terrible belt of the hurl.
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Quote from: hardstation on September 06, 2009, 04:51:32 PM
Penalty my hole.
Arm right around him, it was a penalty.
He was fouled outside about 3 times. The ref blew up for a 4th foul in the square.
Its a hard one, imo it was a penalty but I can unserstand why Tipp fans will be annoyed, Kilkenny get away with more than any other team. Look at the shoulder in to the Tipp players head, not even a yellow card shown.
No argument with the red card. It was a crazy pull. Didn't think it was a penalty though. Clearly fouled well outside but Kirwan didn't blow for it until they entered the area.
A few teams would need a plan b to get one over this team
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on September 06, 2009, 05:07:50 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 06, 2009, 04:44:05 PM
No justice really. Walsh has been carrying out bodybags for years and got away with it.
Maybe, I unserstand where yor coming from Indiana, I cant stand him he should have been sent off against Galway earlier in the year but Dunne had to go, it was a terrible belt of the hurl.
I accept he had to go no question, just smiling at the irony of it.
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on September 06, 2009, 05:09:24 PM
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Quote from: Galwaybhoy on September 06, 2009, 05:06:03 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 06, 2009, 04:51:32 PM
Penalty my hole.
Arm right around him, it was a penalty.
He was fouled outside about 3 times. The ref blew up for a 4th foul in the square.
Its a hard one, imo it was a penalty but I can unserstand why Tipp fans will be annoyed, Kilkenny get away with more than any other team. Look at the shoulder in to the Tipp players head, not even a yellow card shown.
Thats my point - on 4 occasions kilkenny deserved to have lads booked and not a yellow shown. Yet he gives a penalty for what?
Quote from: gerry on September 06, 2009, 05:12:57 PM
A few teams would need a plan b to get one over this team
They won't anymore - there won't be a 5 in a row. Thats the epicentre for this kilkenny team which probably is the best of all time.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 06, 2009, 05:17:36 PM
They won't anymore - there won't be a 5 in a row. Thats the epicentre for this kilkenny team which probably is the best of all time.
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Thats the highpoint, they won't beat Tipp next year. Its probably right they won 4 in a row. But Tipp are gutted I'd say.
Penalty decision was the winner, KK were as poor as I ever seen them in a long time, blessed to win IMO. Tipp were better side on the day just didnt take the chances but ref handed it to KK, peno won it for them, Correct decision on sending off. But feck me they have the luck. They are great but they do get vital breaks outside of there own control from refs.
Cody didnt like marty there going on about the peno. Wonder why?
Cracking game of hurling. Got to hand it to Kilkenny - true champions.
I don't know what was going through Benny Dunne's head. Tommy Walsh was pulling at his helmet but how on earth did he think he'd get away with that?
Cody getting Marty hot under the collar!! :D
Quote from: hardstation on September 06, 2009, 05:23:16 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 06, 2009, 05:22:37 PM
Thats the highpoint, they won't beat Tipp next year.
How the feck do you know that?
Just a hunch. The pack are catching up.
Great show by Tipp to put it up to the Cats.
Crucially they never got the goal though.
Benny Dunne's stroke was ridiculous. He was always a bit dirty but it was a crazy moment of madness. I don't think it alone swung the result.
Tipp lost their cool in the last few minutes. They could still have reeled the Cats in.
Cody put Marty on his arse during the interview! ;D
Michael Fennelly's Gaeilge needs a bit of work - pass inter-cert standard!!
Don't think it was a penalty at all. Should have been a free out imo. KK fierce lucky to win the game.
I thought it was a penalty at first but it could have been a free out too for steps. Would like to see it again. I'm certainly not one that would normally shout for Tipp but I feel very sorry for Tipperary tonight.
One of the worst refereering decisions in living memory.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 06, 2009, 05:43:58 PM
One of the worst refereering decisions in living memory.
It nearly made up for John Denton. ;D
Quote from: Kevin on September 06, 2009, 04:46:23 PM
Could not see it on the radio.
Did Benny Dunne pull on him or was he 'playing the ball'???
Acc to the panel, Walsh pushed the helmet down in front of Dunne's eyes thus blinding him - still shouldnt have struck him.
I think Tipp were robbed with that penalty.
No way was it inside the large square!
I'm tuning into Sportscall now to hear the reactions.
It should be colourful.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 06, 2009, 05:28:16 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 06, 2009, 05:23:16 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 06, 2009, 05:22:37 PM
Thats the highpoint, they won't beat Tipp next year.
How the feck do you know that?
Just a hunch. The pack are catching up.
What pack, there is only Tipp and we all know Tipp hurling and the politics involved.
Just in the door from what was a epic match have to say I haven't enjoyed myself in Croke Park as much as today since Laois won Leinster in 2003
I didn't stay for the presentation as I was sickend Kilkenny won again,if only for I will have to listen to it for another year off my Kilkenny friends and family...
Anyway apart from all that I do think Tipp threw it away though what a couple of saves from my mate in the Kilkenny goals to deny Tipp what would have been match winning goals,I sincerely hopes he gets a All Star this year,I have known him for many years and I think he deserves it after todays match.
Can't argue that Kilkenny are an unbelievable team and I think a 5 in a row is more than a possibility for them
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Quote from: INDIANA on September 06, 2009, 05:28:16 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 06, 2009, 05:23:16 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 06, 2009, 05:22:37 PM
Thats the highpoint, they won't beat Tipp next year.
How the feck do you know that?
Just a hunch. The pack are catching up.
What pack, there is only Tipp and we all know Tipp hurling and the politics involved.
what politics? If they keep that team together they'll win an all-ireland or two. You saw today how stretched Kilkenny were when Henry didn't have a tour de force. He won't be there forever.
Tipp hurling is full of political battles, if it wasn't for this they would be winning more than 1 AI a decade! I wouldn't be as quick as you to write the cats off for next year! they won today and some of their big names didn't play well and Tipp even played better than most expected. Tipp can catch them but how will they react to losing a game they should have won.
These big names won't be there forever and while they have very good young hurlers coming through , there aren't any henry shefflins or eddie brennans. It will be a while before even kilkenny see that level of talent again.
Tipp are still heavily reliant on Eoin Kelly, for a young guy he has been going for a long time and is injury prone. I am just saying that KK replacements for King Henry are better than most counties have on their first 15. KK have a very strong panel and can better take injuries to key players where as other counties can't.
Quote from: hardstation on September 06, 2009, 06:32:12 PM
Surely Shefflin and Brennan will be there next year anyway, Indiana.
All that team will be there next year,and any that aren't there is a replacement just as good to come in
KK will probably be more motivated next year I'd have said.
Last 2 years no-one has come near them so start of the year they'd probably have said we need to hold onto this, everybody out to get us etc etc. Bottom line is that deep down they'd have thought / known no-one was as good as them. Next year they'll know Tipp are out to get them.
I doubt you'll see Henry Shefflin as quiet again either.
Out of the whole team the only one I'd say may not be back would be Kavanagh. He'll likely be back though.
Henry Shefflin will never be able to be replaced but TJ Reid and Richie Hogan are players with massive potential so they have replacements who'd get on any other team in the country. Shefflin is likely to be around for another few years too.
Not sure what age Derek Lyng is.
It is far from the last you've seen of this KK team I'd have thought...
I actually think they will be beaten next year. Not that I would write them off but I think someone will beat them. Don't know who and they may even lose in Leinster and still go on to win the All-Ireland but I do think they are slowly coming back towards some of the other teams.
I thought they looked sluggish and leaden footed for much of the second half until the red card and then the penalty reinvigorated them. As great as they are no team can go on forever although it would be foolish to write them off. A 5th title in a row certainly wouldn't surprise me.
Only Galway and Tipp would have the personnel to be beating them as yet unless Cork get the finger out. Maybe a full year's training will help them. No way would they be getting beat by Wexford, Offaly or Dublin at the minute as they're a league above them but maybe Galway could catch them.
(I know waterford beat Galway but I still wouldn't say they've the players for it)
A very entertaining game in Croke Park today. The penalty won the game for Kilkenny and it wasn't even a penalty. Why did the ref throw the ball in when callinan got taken out in the first half, it should have been a yellow card and a point to Tip. Todays game kind of reminded me of the 01 final between Tip and Galway when rabbitte did not get any frees when he was being fouled a lot by the Tip defenders, today the refs big decisions went against Tip and he let the Kilkenny defenders away with a few things.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 06, 2009, 06:45:29 PM
I actually think they will be beaten next year. Not that I would write them off but I think someone will beat them. Don't know who and they may even lose in Leinster and still go on to win the All-Ireland but I do think they are slowly coming back towards some of the other teams.
I thought they looked sluggish and leaden footed for much of the second half until the red card and then the penalty reinvigorated them. As great as they are no team can go on forever although it would be foolish to write them off. A 5th title in a row certainly wouldn't surprise me.
Thats what I'm saying. I think they will be beaten next year. Don't underestimate how much that will bring Tipp on. As for Eoin Kelly Eddie- read Noel Mc Grath who is in the Joe Canning bracket.
Kilkenny aren't going to go away. they'll still do 2 in a rows and win all-irelands every 3 years at least. But they won't ever do a 4 in a row again in my view.
Galway and Tipp are well capable of beating them next year. Richie Hogan and TJ Reid are really fine players but Henry Shefflin and Eddie Brennan they aren't.
I am a hurling ignoramous, but really enjoyed that game today.
Who do you reckon will be MOTM? I thought Lar Corbett was superb, but usually it goes to one of the winners. In that case, the Kilkenny number one must be favourite.
Just in. What a game. That was as tough and ucompromising as you're ever going to get. I don't know how the referee kept up. He let a hell of a lot of stuff go which makes the penalty even more incomprehensible.
KK were put ot the pin of their collar and whilst I salute them for their 4 in a row, there's no denying that they got out of jail today.
It wasn't a penalty - a free in of anything. After the penalty went in. it was game over.
Tipp might come back - on the other hand they might ont reach these levels again. It depends on how they regroup.
Tipp should have won. Will Shefflin ever play as bad again ? Today he looked like a reserve player.
JJ looked decidedly uncomfortable at no3 today. Hickey must have been well off the pace that he wasn't introduced at all.
Felt sorry for Tipp players as they fell to the ground at the final whistle.
Well done KK again and commiserations to Tipp who served up an epic.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on September 06, 2009, 07:24:01 PM
I am a hurling ignoramous, but really enjoyed that game today.
Who do you reckon will be MOTM? I thought Lar Corbett was superb, but usually it goes to one of the winners. In that case, the Kilkenny number one must be favourite.
Though I hate to say it Tommy Walsh imo. He had a stormer. If not him then either Eoin Kelly or PJ Ryan.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 06, 2009, 07:23:34 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 06, 2009, 06:45:29 PM
I actually think they will be beaten next year. Not that I would write them off but I think someone will beat them. Don't know who and they may even lose in Leinster and still go on to win the All-Ireland but I do think they are slowly coming back towards some of the other teams.
I thought they looked sluggish and leaden footed for much of the second half until the red card and then the penalty reinvigorated them. As great as they are no team can go on forever although it would be foolish to write them off. A 5th title in a row certainly wouldn't surprise me.
Thats what I'm saying. I think they will be beaten next year. Don't underestimate how much that will bring Tipp on. As for Eoin Kelly Eddie- read Noel Mc Grath who is in the Joe Canning bracket.
Kilkenny aren't going to go away. they'll still do 2 in a rows and win all-irelands every 3 years at least. But they won't ever do a 4 in a row again in my view.
Galway and Tipp are well capable of beating them next year. Richie Hogan and TJ Reid are really fine players but Henry Shefflin and Eddie Brennan they aren't.
Ya, Tipp were the better team imo, the better team lost, but fair play to KK. Great team they are. KK are at the end of the road with this team imo. That doesn't obviously mean they're going away, they've a lot of players to come through and all that. But for this current team, it's near the end I'd say.
As for the game itself..not sure about the ref, I think in parts you could actually say Tipp left it behind. But the result is the result. It was a great game, and KK won, no ammount of whether they deserve it or not changes that. They're a great team and will be remembered for many years to come.
Great game lost on 2 decision that pull and the peno.
Did any of you see the ruthless side of Brian Cody in the post match interview with Marty Morrissey ? Marty asked Cody what he thought of the penalty, suggesting that it was a "dodgy penalty". Cody proceeded to wipe the Croke Park floor with poor wee Marty. If you have it recorded, have a look at it. It's very funnt. Michael Lyster, Loughnane, Mulcahy etc were pissing themselves after it.
Watch out for the banquet tonight. ;) ;)
Quote from: orangeman on September 06, 2009, 07:57:01 PM
Did any of you see the ruthless side of Brian Cody in the post match interview with Marty Morrissey ? Marty asked Cody what he thought of the penalty, suggesting that it was a "dodgy penalty". Cody proceeded to wipe the Croke Park floor with poor wee Marty. If you have it recorded, have a look at it. It's very funnt. Michael Lyster, Loughnane, Mulcahy etc were pissing themselves after it.
Watch out for the banquet tonight. ;) ;)
the lads in the studio were priceless loughnane asked was there anyone around to lift marty off the ground :D :D , i thought for a second cody was going to tell marty to fcuk off. as for the match a cracker tipp imo were the better team however they didn't take their goal chances when they had the chance to put the match away.
Quote from: the Deel Rover on September 06, 2009, 08:09:41 PM
Quote from: orangeman on September 06, 2009, 07:57:01 PM
Did any of you see the ruthless side of Brian Cody in the post match interview with Marty Morrissey ? Marty asked Cody what he thought of the penalty, suggesting that it was a "dodgy penalty". Cody proceeded to wipe the Croke Park floor with poor wee Marty. If you have it recorded, have a look at it. It's very funnt. Michael Lyster, Loughnane, Mulcahy etc were pissing themselves after it.
Watch out for the banquet tonight. ;) ;)
the lads in the studio were priceless loughnane asked was there anyone around to lift marty off the ground :D :D , i thought for a second cody was going to tell marty to fcuk off. as for the match a cracker tipp imo were the better team however they didn't take their goal chances when they had the chance to put the match away.
I agree. Anyone think Kilkenny where the better team? RTÉ seemed to think so but anyone I talked said Tipperary where the better team .
Benny Dunne, why?
Quote from: the Deel Rover on September 06, 2009, 08:09:41 PM
Quote from: orangeman on September 06, 2009, 07:57:01 PM
Did any of you see the ruthless side of Brian Cody in the post match interview with Marty Morrissey ? Marty asked Cody what he thought of the penalty, suggesting that it was a "dodgy penalty". Cody proceeded to wipe the Croke Park floor with poor wee Marty. If you have it recorded, have a look at it. It's very funnt. Michael Lyster, Loughnane, Mulcahy etc were pissing themselves after it.
Watch out for the banquet tonight. ;) ;)
the lads in the studio were priceless loughnane asked was there anyone around to lift marty off the ground :D :D , i thought for a second cody was going to tell marty to fcuk off. as for the match a cracker tipp imo were the better team however they didn't take their goal chances when they had the chance to put the match away.
I thought Marty was going to get a dig in the gob. Loughnane was funny. :D :D :D
Quote from: the Deel Rover on September 06, 2009, 08:09:41 PM
the lads in the studio were priceless loughnane asked was there anyone around to lift marty off the ground :D :D , i thought for a second cody was going to tell marty to fcuk off. as for the match a cracker tipp imo were the better team however they didn't take their goal chances when they had the chance to put the match away.
They didn't take their goal chances brcause the keeper saved them. The KK keeper won every one on one he faced.
Brilliant game. It made me realise how good a game hurling is.
I'd have thought Tipp were the better team too. KK in the second half were, up until the penalty, completely dominated.
Had it not been for Benny Dunne's moment of madness and the penalty they'd have won. In fact possibly just the latter...
I'd have given the MoM to a Tipp player too. Walsh was very good first half but not quite as good second half. Not sure if Kelly, Corbett or the midfielder deserved it most. I suspect the goalie may get it though.
I also think Cody perhaps felt KK didn't deserve it. That would perhaps explain why the reaction with Morrisey. A bit OTT but funny none the less.
Kilkenny half-forward Henry Shefflin's goal was a key moment for the Cats but Cody was reluctant to be drawn on the legitimacy of the penalty awarded by referee Diarmuid Kirwan.
He said: 'If you want to start wondering about all the frees that were awarded during the game you would have a fairly busy time.'
Pressed on the subject, he added: 'I have no idea. Did you check all the other frees to see if they were dodgy as well? Maybe you should.'
The guilt the poor lad Dunne most be feeling..knowing that his actions pretty much cost Tipp their AI.
Quote from: Zapatista on September 06, 2009, 08:16:28 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on September 06, 2009, 08:09:41 PM
the lads in the studio were priceless loughnane asked was there anyone around to lift marty off the ground :D :D , i thought for a second cody was going to tell marty to fcuk off. as for the match a cracker tipp imo were the better team however they didn't take their goal chances when they had the chance to put the match away.
They didn't take their goal chances brcause the keeper saved them. The KK keeper won every one on one he faced.
Brilliant game. It made me realise how good a game hurling is.
yeah zap the 1st save was brilliant however i don't think that eoin kelly connected with his chance
Quote from: orangeman on September 06, 2009, 08:16:05 PM
I thought Marty was going to get a dig in the gob. Loughnane was funny. :D :D :D
He'd have (almost) deserved it too. Cody just won 4 in a row with possibley the greatest team of all time and this is stupid stuff Marty asks him in his first interview after it.
To be fair to Marty it was a controversial penalty. Most interviewers would have asked the same question. He just lost the run of himself a bit as I doubt he was expecting such a confrontational reaction from Cody.
I don't really like him either BTW...
Marty Morrissey is to tv what Aids was to West Africa, and he is getting uglier, if possible.......
Still can't believe what Benny Dunne did, would have loved to see if Tipp could stick with them if it was 15 v 15. On another note, I have never seen so many spare tickets about, I saw a fella trying to get rid of a premium level ticket and a lot of people were selling €70 tickets for €50. Good to see because it meant there were no touts.
Quote from: Zapatista on September 06, 2009, 08:20:11 PM
Quote from: orangeman on September 06, 2009, 08:16:05 PM
I thought Marty was going to get a dig in the gob. Loughnane was funny. :D :D :D
He'd have (almost) deserved it too. Cody just won 4 in a row with possibley the greatest team of all time and this is stupid stuff Marty asks him in his first interview after it.
Exactly what I was thinking. Marty's penalty question could have waited. Cody was on a high after the win and took gorss offence at Marty's slight.
Balls lads and ladies, of course he's entitled to ask about the penalty. Why could Cody just not say, "Well Marty my view was blocked but those are the breaks you get,"
Great match all the same, def thought Tipp the better team but couldn't say if the pen or the 'goat Dunne' changed the game althought if he hadn't been sent off I think Tipp might have won. But I wouldn't have bet on it. I will be betting on Tipp to win the AI next year though and maybe two or three in a row.
Quote from: Reillers on September 06, 2009, 08:19:19 PM
The guilt the poor lad Dunne most be feeling..knowing that his actions pretty much cost Tipp their AI.
Why should someone pulling a stroke like that receive any sympathy. Don't forget there are plenty of matches where Tommy Walsh pulls the helmet off for the last part of the game. Lucky today wasn't he? Dunne should get everything that can be thrown at him.
I don't think the sending off changed the game in KK's favour,it was the penalty that changed it and nothing else IMHO
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on September 06, 2009, 08:52:40 PM
I don't think the sending off changed the game in KK's favour,it was the penalty that changed it and nothing else IMHO
Agreed, The penatly was most significant.
I'm looking at the Dunne incident again. What was he thinking of ? As dirty a stroke as you're likely to see.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on September 06, 2009, 08:52:40 PM
I don't think the sending off changed the game in KK's favour,it was the penalty that changed it and nothing else IMHO
thats more or less what sheedy said in his interview . he thought they played well with the 14 men created a lot of space but with the penalty they went from 2 points ahead to a point down . also thought he remained very calm when dunne was sent off he went over to him and said a few words another manager would be bulling .
Quote from: the Deel Rover on September 06, 2009, 08:58:52 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on September 06, 2009, 08:52:40 PM
I don't think the sending off changed the game in KK's favour,it was the penalty that changed it and nothing else IMHO
thats more or less what sheedy said in his interview . he thought they played well with the 14 men created a lot of space but with the penalty they went from 2 points ahead to a point down . also thought he remained very calm when dunne was sent off he went over to him and said a few words another manager would be bulling .
From what I remember Tipp scored the next couple of points after he was sent off,if anything it made them more determined which often happens a team going a man down...
The penalty was a kick in the balls and there was only going to be one winner after that
whats the bets marty won't be in the city west tonight
I know the winners usually get the man of the match, but Maher had some game at full back for Tipp.
Quote from: Minder on September 06, 2009, 09:05:36 PM
I know the winners usually get the man of the match, but Maher had some game at full back for Tipp.
he was brilliant the amount of ball he caught was unreal . i think the kk goalie will get it . did you put money on kk minder ?
Quote from: dowling on September 06, 2009, 08:51:29 PM
Quote from: Reillers on September 06, 2009, 08:19:19 PM
The guilt the poor lad Dunne most be feeling..knowing that his actions pretty much cost Tipp their AI.
Why should someone pulling a stroke like that receive any sympathy. Don't forget there are plenty of matches where Tommy Walsh pulls the helmet off for the last part of the game. Lucky today wasn't he? Dunne should get everything that can be thrown at him.
Plenty of games too Walsh has lowered the blades and got away with it. Dunne deserved to walk no question but the irony of it is captivating. 4 tipp lads went down after getting shoulders straight into the head and not one kilkenny player was booked. Yet Kirwan gave a penalty for nothing.
There are so few referess out there capable of getting the big calls in matches right. And that was an easy call. Becoming an epidemic in both codes if you ask me. The lack of consistency in world sport is unparalled in my view.
Quote from: the Deel Rover on September 06, 2009, 09:08:51 PM
Quote from: Minder on September 06, 2009, 09:05:36 PM
I know the winners usually get the man of the match, but Maher had some game at full back for Tipp.
he was brilliant the amount of ball he caught was unreal . i think the kk goalie will get it . did you put money on kk minder ?
Don't talk, I had a docket half written out in a bookies in Stillorgan, Galway minors and Kilkenny (-3) but didn't bother doing it.
Quote from: the Deel Rover on September 06, 2009, 09:02:51 PM
whats the bets marty won't be in the city west tonight
Can't wait to see. Marty will need to go home and change the underwear first. ;)
Quote from: hardstation on September 06, 2009, 09:20:39 PM
Other than the penalty, I thought the ref did well.
Same here. The decision to award the penalty was incorrect but it would still have been a 21 yard free anyway. Kirwan also showed some backbone to send Benny Dunne off for his wild pull. Many refs might have bottled it considering it was an AIF and let him away with a yellow.
Kirwan let a lot go today but it wouldn't have been as good a game if he was whistling every thirty seconds for every small hit. I thought he was consistent in his decisions and he certainly didn't favour either side.
Lads that decision cost Tipp the bloody game. a 21 yard free with 8 defenders on the line is not the same as a penalty. The ref cannot have had a good game with a decision like that. It was one of the worst calls I ever seen. I've watched it about 6 times now- and it was actually a free out.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 06, 2009, 09:28:45 PM
Lads that decision cost Tipp the bloody game. a 21 yard free with 8 defenders on the line is not the same as a penalty. The ref cannot have had a good game with a decision like that. It was one of the worst calls I ever seen. I've watched it about 6 times now- and it was actually a free out.
I was at the far end of the Cusack so hadn't a great view but he seemed to take a pile of steps
It wasn't a penalty and I don't think you'll find too many if any saying that it was a penalty. It's a pity that the game will be remembered for the penalty that wasn't.
Was that a siffer dog that I just saw in the Croke Park changing rooms prior to the match ?
What was the dog looking for ?? Drugs ? Explosives ?
good ref one MAJOR c**k up that changed the course of the game which was a shame in such an exhilarating game
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on September 06, 2009, 08:52:40 PM
I don't think the sending off changed the game in KK's favour,it was the penalty that changed it and nothing else IMHO
Wel there'a few teams won All-Irelands with 14 men but you would have to think if you've 15 on the pitch it makes the job easier. And considering Dunne was supposed to be experienced and help 'steady the ship' I'd think his sending off had a lot to do with Tipp's defeat. Any room in the Tipp forward line was immediately squeezed.
If we think Diarmuid Kirwan was a disgrace then wait till Marty Duffy gets his hands on the football final in a fortnights time!
Quote from: hardstation on September 06, 2009, 09:50:36 PM
I also think that Michael Kavanagh carried the ball over the line for the 2nd goal. I'm almost sure the ball crossed the line for a split second.
Don't think so.
Quote from: hardstation on September 06, 2009, 09:20:39 PM
Other than the penalty, I thought the ref did well.
I thought he gave most of the 50/50 calls to Kilkenny and that was never a penalty, though he got the sending off right. I think Tipp will feel like they were robbed today, but I hope to see them back again next year to stop the 5 in a row. Other than the referee, the Kilkenny keeper was probably the difference in the two teams, he made a couple of excellent saves. Tipps half forward line was quite poor today also.
Credit has to go to this Kilkenny team though, 4 in a row is a hell of an achievement and they`ll be there or there abouts again next year.
Quote from: the Deel Rover on September 06, 2009, 09:02:51 PM
whats the bets marty won't be in the city west tonight
No sign of Marty in City West so far. Lyster doing the job.
Eoin Kelly on TV now - very gracious in defeat.
Looking at the replays on TV,the referee had a great view of it to be honest. But it still wasn't a penalty IMO.
I thought he signalled a free to begin with.
Listening to Donal O'Grady and co., given the examples that he used, it looks as if the referee rode Tipp today ???
I didn't see Power grab the face mask in real time.
Quote from: hardstation on September 06, 2009, 10:06:51 PM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on September 06, 2009, 09:52:46 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 06, 2009, 09:20:39 PM
Other than the penalty, I thought the ref did well.
I thought he gave most of the 50/50 calls to Kilkenny
Ach I don't think so.
I think he'll be kicking himself over the penalty decision. Other than that he handled the game well and helped make it the game it was.
I thought Tipp should have had a few frees early on, but they ended up as hop/throw balls, I also thought that the Tipp forwards couldnt buy a free in the first half.
In saying that, it was a great game, better than the vast majority of football games and none of the negative tactics that blight football.
Definitely a red card imo. Feel very sorry for Benny Dunne all the same. The Tipp fans I'm afraid will not be as forgiving...... especially as Toomeevara wouldn't be the most popular of clubs there.
Am I alone in thinking that Michael Kavanagh was sensational today..... very close to motm in my opinion. TW also a contender. Pádraig Maher brilliant also.
Kavanagh is one of those players you think the oppositioANCan maybe exploit with the right man on him but he is very steady. Today was his tenth All Ireland final appearance and he is only about 31
Quote from: Minder on September 06, 2009, 10:30:42 PM
Kavanagh is one of those players you think the oppositioANCan maybe exploit with the right man on him but he is very steady. Today was his tenth All Ireland final appearance and he is only about 31
10 finals - 7 winners medals. Amazing. But for an outstanding Cork team it could have been more.
Hardstation, I am sorry for him because this incident will follow him around for the rest of his life. I know all actions have consequences but still feel for him on a human level. He will need his friends and family to rally round him.... which I'm sure they will.
Quote from: Canalman on September 06, 2009, 10:27:21 PM
Definitely a red card imo. Feel very sorry for Benny Dunne all the same. The Tipp fans I'm afraid will not be as forgiving...... especially as Toomeevara wouldn't be the most popular of clubs there.
Am I alone in thinking that Michael Kavanagh was sensational today..... very close to motm in my opinion. TW also a contender. Pádraig Maher brilliant also.
Why are they not popular ?
Quote from: Canalman on September 06, 2009, 10:27:21 PM
Definitely a red card imo. Feel very sorry for Benny Dunne all the same. The Tipp fans I'm afraid will not be as forgiving...... especially as Toomeevara wouldn't be the most popular of clubs there.
Am I alone in thinking that Michael Kavanagh was sensational today..... very close to motm in my opinion. TW also a contender. Pádraig Maher brilliant also.
Always the players that you're worried about prior to a game usually come up trumps! Can't buy experience.
Quote from: orangeman on September 06, 2009, 10:48:22 PM
Quote from: Canalman on September 06, 2009, 10:27:21 PM
Definitely a red card imo. Feel very sorry for Benny Dunne all the same. The Tipp fans I'm afraid will not be as forgiving...... especially as Toomeevara wouldn't be the most popular of clubs there.
Am I alone in thinking that Michael Kavanagh was sensational today..... very close to motm in my opinion. TW also a contender. Pádraig Maher brilliant also.
Why are they not popular ?
Becasue they win too much and have a lower the blades reputation
Just home. Some game! Unfortunate error by Kirwan with the penalty, thought he had a good game otherwise. Dunne had to go, but I felt sorry for him, rush of blood to the head. The Kilkenny substitutions, Comerford in particular, were crucial. Great performance from Ryan between the posts, should finally get his all star. That said, Tipp will be kicking themselves they didn't put those away.
Now to read this thread....
A tremendous advertisement for hurling today, two wonderful teams going at it hammer and tongs, the difference was inches today and the difference maker was the best player on the field, the Kilkenny keeper, he was absolutely sublime and he was the difference maker in a game that seemed to be getting away from Kilkenny.
I have been on the batter all day long, I saw both games in Croker today and before the minor game started they showed an old AIF from the early seventies, the difference in technique was staggering, most of the boys from that era were one dimensional in that they hit the puck from one side only and not only that but they couldnt hit the puck as far nor were they as fit.
I am sure technology has changed the game a lot but these teams today would absolutely slaughter the teams from yesteryear.
Brilliant game today, a joy to watch and if the football can come close to that standard we are all in for a treat, congratulation KK but tipp to me, were the best team on the field today, they will be back and they will win the mccarthy next year in my opinion.
Really enjoyed today's game. Was on the edge of my seat all through it. Congratulations to Kilkenny. Four in a row eh!
Quotenone of the negative tactics that blight football
Fantastic game but seriously.....third man tackles.....off the ball niggling......there was plenty in that game today that football gets slated for.
All said though the best final of the last 10 years
Quote from: tyroneman on September 07, 2009, 12:22:23 AM
Quotenone of the negative tactics that blight football
Fantastic game but seriously.....third man tackles.....off the ball niggling......there was plenty in that game today that football gets slated for.
All said though the best final of the last 10 years
Maybe so but the difference was and is that the hurlers just get on with it.
Being from Longford I'm not much of a hurling officianado so I could very likely be wrong here but I'm struggling a bit with the general concensus that the ref had a good game because he let lots go. Surely if there are fouls he should be blowing the whistle. Now to slightly contadict myself it is preferable to the bloody non stop whistling that goes on in football but surely then in the context of this, the decision to give a penalty was absoutely atrocious. There must have been at least 20 more serious incidents out the field that weren't blown and in my opinion the penalty was the one crucial turning point in the game. Compare that supposed foul to the shoulder charge into the gut of Seamus Callanan that didn't even warant a free.
I'd say Joe McQuillan, Jonh Bannon, Geroid and many other football refs are a bit perplexed there isn't a 10 page thread about the referee on here today. My advice to them would be to only blow for about 1 in every 3 fouls and there reputation will be seriously enhanced!!!
All that being said you can only admire the players for the ferocious intensity that they put into the game. It really was edge of the seat stuff. A lot of thier footballing counterparts could learn a thing or 2 from them. If the Tommy Walsh incident happened in a football match there'd be no such thing as getting straight back. it would be milked to the very last or at least until the sight of the red card appeared!!!
Quote from: INDIANA on September 06, 2009, 09:28:45 PM
Lads that decision cost Tipp the bloody game. a 21 yard free with 8 defenders on the line is not the same as a penalty. The ref cannot have had a good game with a decision like that. It was one of the worst calls I ever seen. I've watched it about 6 times now- and it was actually a free out.
Free in Indy, he was being dragged out of before he got into the box. You must have lost big money on this game as you seem more upset about the result than most Tipp people I know. Tipp can't blame the Ref for this, they dominated KK for 60 minutes of the game and were unable to finish Kilkenny off.
I was along with several hundred Tipp, Kilkenny and (like myself) hurling fans from all over the planet (one S.African lad in a KK top with a boks jersey underneath) at the Irish Club in Perth last night. Fantastic atmosphere there too. What a game. Until the red card there was little I could fault with the game. The penalty wasn't. Period.
What a wonderful expose of all that is great about our national sport (apart from that loose pull :(). How the Derry Co. board can't do more for the game baffles me.
And to those in Derry who still support the burn the hurls brigade, I say watch that game again, cos I will be.
Quote from: stew on September 06, 2009, 11:57:46 PM
A tremendous advertisement for hurling today, two wonderful teams going at it hammer and tongs, the difference was inches today and the difference maker was the best player on the field, the Kilkenny keeper, he was absolutely sublime and he was the difference maker in a game that seemed to be getting away from Kilkenny.
I have been on the batter all day long, I saw both games in Croker today and before the minor game started they showed an old AIF from the early seventies, the difference in technique was staggering, most of the boys from that era were one dimensional in that they hit the puck from one side only and not only that but they couldnt hit the puck as far nor were they as fit.
I am sure technology has changed the game a lot but these teams today would absolutely slaughter the teams from yesteryear.
Brilliant game today, a joy to watch and if the football can come close to that standard we are all in for a treat, congratulation KK but tipp to me, were the best team on the field today, they will be back and they will win the mccarthy next year in my opinion.
Tell that to Babs Keating! ;D
Quote from: EddieMerx on September 07, 2009, 09:14:31 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 06, 2009, 09:28:45 PM
Lads that decision cost Tipp the bloody game. a 21 yard free with 8 defenders on the line is not the same as a penalty. The ref cannot have had a good game with a decision like that. It was one of the worst calls I ever seen. I've watched it about 6 times now- and it was actually a free out.
Free in Indy, he was being dragged out of before he got into the box. You must have lost big money on this game as you seem more upset about the result than most Tipp people I know. Tipp can't blame the Ref for this, they dominated KK for 60 minutes of the game and were unable to finish Kilkenny off.
It was either a penalty (arm over shoulder right when he was inside the square) or a free out for steps. Never a 21 yard free. I think now (after looking at it over and over) that it was a free out. I'm sure if a decision like that cost your team you'd blame the ref I know if it happened to Galway I would be fairly annoyed over it.
Well done Kilkenny. We are privilaged to be living through this era for this team, just as our fathers and grandfathers had the Mackeys, Rings, Powers, Rackards, Kehers, Hendersons etc etc we will be passing tales of Shefflin, Walsh, Brennan and co down to our kids and grandkids. They are fantastic champions, in all senses of the word. They never mouth off, they are tough as nails but artists with the ball. Fair play to them.
That being said, maybe they are coming back to the pack a bit, or the leaders of that pack are getting closer to them. There's no doubt that for significant portions of that game yesterday, Tipp were the better team. They lived up to their own history and showed absolutely no fear of the Cats, and that game will stand to them. Last year I think Kilkenny would have murdered them in a final, especially at the level Kilkenny were operating at last year, and that would have set them back. This year Tipp will know they can beat Kilkenny, and will be really up for it again next year. Unless Kilkenny renew themselves (which they might), it looks set up for Tipp to take the mantle from Kilkenny.
A very good game (although not the classic that some people are saying, in my mind), and a fitting finale to the 125 celebrations, and once again well done Cats, the greatest hurling team I've ever seen.
Tipp won 18 frees
KK won 8
Yet both sides were as brilliantly aggressive in the tackle as each other. I though the referee had a great game but just like all the players he made a few mistakes the penalty being one of them. But what about Callinans & Eoin Kelly's "mistakes". Benny Dunnes "mistake". What about the wides when they went 3 up going into the last quarter? The game was there to be won and Tipp people would be better to focus on there own failings which cost them the game rather than hone in on what was an excellent refereeing performance overall, and focus on one poor decision. If they work on those they'll be all the better next year and that I look forward to. They played their part in a fantastic game and for what is a young team, they can take great heart from that.
Quote from: EddieMerx on September 07, 2009, 09:14:31 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 06, 2009, 09:28:45 PM
Lads that decision cost Tipp the bloody game. a 21 yard free with 8 defenders on the line is not the same as a penalty. The ref cannot have had a good game with a decision like that. It was one of the worst calls I ever seen. I've watched it about 6 times now- and it was actually a free out.
Free in Indy, he was being dragged out of before he got into the box. You must have lost big money on this game as you seem more upset about the result than most Tipp people I know. Tipp can't blame the Ref for this, they dominated KK for 60 minutes of the game and were unable to finish Kilkenny off.
It was a free out- power took 6 steps before there was a hint of free. Watched it 6/7 times now. How in Gods creation with the view he had the ref gave a penalty is a mystery to everyone. Despite letting 4/5 yellow card offences go scot free, someone gets a penalty for nothing which changed the game.
Dunne was sent off in the 52nd minute , kilkenny hadn't a clue what to do with the spare man. It actually disrupted them completely. The penalty was awarded in the 62nd minute. Tipp were still 2 up and hurling well, and the game turned on that decison. It was a brutal call. If you're not sure, you can't give it. Thats the rule as a ref. Too many games are turning on bad decisions. We've very few refs getting these calls right in big games and in fairness it wasn't that difficult a call to make.
Yeah and I did lose a few quid on it!
Quote from: hardstation on September 06, 2009, 09:50:36 PM
I also think that Michael Kavanagh carried the ball over the line for the 2nd goal. I'm almost sure the ball crossed the line for a split second.
I'm with you on this, the ball did cross the sideline in my opinion although the lineman could not see as he was behind the player but yes, this also turned out to be a crucial decision as Comerford buried the back in the back of the net 20 seconds later
Quote from: sammymaguire on September 07, 2009, 10:17:55 AM
Quote from: hardstation on September 06, 2009, 09:50:36 PM
I also think that Michael Kavanagh carried the ball over the line for the 2nd goal. I'm almost sure the ball crossed the line for a split second.
I'm with you on this, the ball did cross the sideline in my opinion although the lineman could not see as he was behind the player but yes, this also turned out to be a crucial decision as Comerford buried the back in the back of the net 20 seconds later
He was out but the ball wasn't. I don't know what the rule is on that. It looked to me Kavanagh had the ball infield.
Same as that Indiana. Kavanagh was out, but he kept the ball in. Did well to keep it in actually.
I agree it wasn't a penalty but I do feel it was a free in, Tipp should have won this game - They shot some crazy wides from crazy positions when they were on top. I just think it is very easy to blame the ref when he let quiet a bit go on each side and yes he made one major screw up but to say that is the only reason Tipp lost is wrong. The penalty wasn't the last puck of the game and there was 10 minutes left. Lets just say it was a free in and Henry pointed then the gap was 1, 14 men holding out against 15 for 10 minutes would have been a serious ask for Tipp
The whole Kilkenny full back line were uncomfortable for a good while but they kept at it. Eoin Kelly, Noel McGrath and Lar Corbett scored 9 points from play between them, and Kelly should have had a goal as well. All in all, I'd say JJ Delaney will want Hickey to come back into number 3.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 07, 2009, 09:59:17 AM
Quote from: EddieMerx on September 07, 2009, 09:14:31 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 06, 2009, 09:28:45 PM
Lads that decision cost Tipp the bloody game. a 21 yard free with 8 defenders on the line is not the same as a penalty. The ref cannot have had a good game with a decision like that. It was one of the worst calls I ever seen. I've watched it about 6 times now- and it was actually a free out.
Free in Indy, he was being dragged out of before he got into the box. You must have lost big money on this game as you seem more upset about the result than most Tipp people I know. Tipp can't blame the Ref for this, they dominated KK for 60 minutes of the game and were unable to finish Kilkenny off.
It was a free out- power took 6 steps before there was a hint of free. Watched it 6/7 times now. How in Gods creation with the view he had the ref gave a penalty is a mystery to everyone. Despite letting 4/5 yellow card offences go scot free, someone gets a penalty for nothing which changed the game.
Dunne was sent off in the 52nd minute , kilkenny hadn't a clue what to do with the spare man. It actually disrupted them completely. The penalty was awarded in the 62nd minute. Tipp were still 2 up and hurling well, and the game turned on that decison. It was a brutal call. If you're not sure, you can't give it. Thats the rule as a ref. Too many games are turning on bad decisions. We've very few refs getting these calls right in big games and in fairness it wasn't that difficult a call to make.
Yeah and I did lose a few quid on it!
Maybe its time to have more refs on the field and use video replay for the big decisions. I know it might slow down the game a bit but it might cut out these bad decisions. Look there has been talk for ages about having a second ref in soccer, now take hurling which has 8 more players on a larger pitch with a small ball and is played at a frantic pace. Its hard for one man to keep up for 70 minutes and see everything.
Subs: TJ Reid (0-1) for Fogarty (49), M Fennelly (0-01) for Lyng (51),M Comerford (1-00) for Hogan (55)
Subs: B Dunne for O'Brien (46), W Ryan for Kerwick (65), M Webster for Woodlock (68)
It was as good as game as expected and unlike Limerick and Waterford Tipp will know its one they could and should have won. Thought Conor O'Mahoney had an outstanding game for Tipp along with Eoin Kelly and Lar Corbett. The Tipp midfielders seemed intent on running with the ball on the limited possession they had and it wasn't working for them. They needed to get early ball into Kelly who'd the better of JJ for long periods rather than running into the KK half back line. Those short puck outs were ropey enough at times and a lot of times the recipients delivery wouldn't have been much further or accurate than Cummins' anyway.
Could someone at the game tell me, did the Tipp half forwards attempt to stay out the field, leaving Walsh in particular to play deep in front of his fullback line in the first half in particular? It looked like it on the goggle box, but its very hard to tell but he seemed to be getting onto a lot of ball with no one near him.
As for the ref, I thought he done well enough and maybe you could argue over the penalty/non penalty, Callinan frontal charge, Kavanagh ball over line, Maher face guard grab, Kelly possibly fouling the ball whilst taking a 21 yard free, and numerous pulls and slaps that you see given by referee's in other instances and he was fairly consistent in his decision making but I have to say Kilkenny do seem to be the masters of the wee niggly tugs and slaps which may seem a bit tedious for a referee to blow but nonetheless are enough to hinder an opponent in either rising or striking the ball. In one instance yesterday involving Kelly and Delaney, Kelly had been tugged twice then JJ gave him a wee slap on the elbow and upper arm before he could rise the ball and to be fair to the referee you'd be hard pushed to give a free for any of them. All teams have lads who have that bit of cuteness but the cats seem to have it down to a fine art.
19 frees awarded to Tipp.
8 to KK.
Were KK serial offenders and/ or less disciplined than Tipp ?
I know jack shite about the small ball but are Kilkenny the Tyrone of hurling ? They hunted in packs and spoiled all day. I thought Tipp were better side, robbed by ref i.e never a penalty. That said fair play for Kilkenny the true mark of champions is being able to take the opportunity when it arises and by god they did that.
Tipp full back MOM for me.
brilliant game, and a real pleasure to watch.
Thought sheedy totallly outplayed cody on the line tactically. Took Cody far too long to make changes. kilkenny forwards and mdfield were largely cleaned out. Just got plain dumb lucky.
Then again the best managers are always the lucky ones ;D. Cha must be going awful bad not to get on yesterday because kilkenny were anonymous at midfield
Subs: TJ Reid (0-1) for Fogarty (49), M Fennelly (0-01) for Lyng (51),M Comerford (1-00) for Hogan (55)
Subs: B Dunne for O'Brien (46), W Ryan for Kerwick (65), M Webster for Woodlock (68)
Not really that bad a performance from Coady
In fairness if you watch a re-run just look at how poor at least 5 of the kilkenny players were yesterday.
A couple of the kilkenny lads down the club last night thought Cody was blessed. They reckon he'd have been spit rosted had they lost yesterday. fogarty, Rice, Lyng, Hogan and even Tyrell were miles off the pace yesterday. Even the liikes of Brennan, Tennyson, Henry and Power floated in and out.
People couldn't understand how Richie Hogan was taken off. Granted it worked out well but I think he got a bit lucky yesterday. But as I said the best managers are always lucky!
In fairness the great Henry alway had the odd off day. Sure he was the same at Arsenal
the better team lost on the day. kilkenny were lucky with the penalty. no doubt about it. as for the sending off, did dunn actually strike walsh? i only saw the replay a couple of times and i wasn't 100% whether a connection was made. it was a bit of a wild pull though.
i think the ref was dying for the cats to make it 4 in a row, to tally with the 125 year celebrations and all that. galway or tipp are gonna step up next year. i don't think kilkenny have enough in them. too many players lacked sharpness in the final. i'm still at a loss as to how kilkenny won that game.
I thought there was two seriously dangerous tackles that happen yesterday that the ref never even attempted to book the player. Both were when Tipp players were coming up from collecting balls off the ground, when a kilkenny player came in at full tilt and hit them in the head erea with their shoulder, extremely dangerous and not a word from the ref. I was left speechless at it. Dunnes pull was just savage, no attempt to play the ball and all intent in hitting the head area, he should get a year for that naked violence.
In Fennellys speech he give a list of the backroom team. Anyone know it?
Also was looking there for the interview with Martin Fogarty that the Sunday game showed before the game? Cant find it anywhere, Anyone got a link?
How much did the get for giving the match to Kilkenny?
Quote from: achtungantrim on September 07, 2009, 01:24:17 PM
the better team lost on the day. kilkenny were lucky with the penalty. no doubt about it. as for the sending off, did dunn actually strike walsh? i only saw the replay a couple of times and i wasn't 100% whether a connection was made. it was a bit of a wild pull though.
i think the ref was dying for the cats to make it 4 in a row, to tally with the 125 year celebrations and all that. galway or tipp are gonna step up next year. i don't think kilkenny have enough in them. too many players lacked sharpness in the final. i'm still at a loss as to how kilkenny won that game.
Seriously you cannot question the sending off! As I have said before even if it wasn't a penalty KK would have been a point behind with 10 minutes still left on the clock, It would be very hard to see them holding out from there with only 14 men. Tipp lost this game more than Kilkenny won it! Reckless shooting when they had Kilkenny on the ropes was the big reason combined with a moment of madness by Benny. Write this Cats team off at your peril, Galway I have been hearing since I was a chap are the coming team - I am still waiting. Tipp have a very fine team but we all know that Kelly and Corbett are injury prone and the loss of either would be hard to be replaced.
Quote from: achtungantrim on September 07, 2009, 01:24:17 PM
the better team lost on the day. kilkenny were lucky with the penalty. no doubt about it. as for the sending off, did dunn actually strike walsh? i only saw the replay a couple of times and i wasn't 100% whether a connection was made. it was a bit of a wild pull though.
i think the ref was dying for the cats to make it 4 in a row, to tally with the 125 year celebrations and all that. galway or tipp are gonna step up next year. i don't think kilkenny have enough in them. too many players lacked sharpness in the final. i'm still at a loss as to how kilkenny won that game.
No question whether connection was madee. I was sitting about 25 yards from it and you could hear the clash of the hurley on the helmet. Pure recklessness which was costly in the extreme.
Must say however that for pure drama, excitement, skill, commitment I have never been at anything like it including ourselves winning AIF in 1991/4 ( football)
Was down with the wife and we were both rooting for Tipp but you can only admire the tenacity and never say die attitude of Cats.
Thought the better individuals were on the Tipp team such as meahger, Callinan, Corbett and Kelly but they'll be back, I hope
Quote from: EddieMerx on September 07, 2009, 01:36:36 PM
Quote from: achtungantrim on September 07, 2009, 01:24:17 PM
the better team lost on the day. kilkenny were lucky with the penalty. no doubt about it. as for the sending off, did dunn actually strike walsh? i only saw the replay a couple of times and i wasn't 100% whether a connection was made. it was a bit of a wild pull though.
i think the ref was dying for the cats to make it 4 in a row, to tally with the 125 year celebrations and all that. galway or tipp are gonna step up next year. i don't think kilkenny have enough in them. too many players lacked sharpness in the final. i'm still at a loss as to how kilkenny won that game.
Seriously you cannot question the sending off! As I have said before even if it wasn't a penalty KK would have been a point behind with 10 minutes still left on the clock, It would be very hard to see them holding out from there with only 14 men. Tipp lost this game more than Kilkenny won it! Reckless shooting when they had Kilkenny on the ropes was the big reason combined with a moment of madness by Benny. Write this Cats team off at your peril, Galway I have been hearing since I was a chap are the coming team - I am still waiting. Tipp have a very fine team but we all know that Kelly and Corbett are injury prone and the loss of either would be hard to be replaced.
+1
Tipp played out of their skins yesterday. Kilkenny played without about 5/6 lads not performing to their best, especially Henry who was anonymous from play. This is why Tipp got so close. In order for Tipp to beat KK, they'll have to play the same way again plus take their chances and hope that KK underperform slightly.
But it does look that Tipp are the most likely to break the cycle.
But something in Cody's reaction told me that they'll be back again next year and will take the beating again.
BTW - i'm reading about Benny Dunne's pull across Tommy Walsh. What will he get for this ? 4 weeks ?
ok, the sending off was deserved. and i have to agree it was a great match. when hurling is played like that there isn't a sport on this planet to match it. i hope someone new steps up to the plate next year. or, cody should just retire and make it a more open competition ;D
If Tipp had won, I think Cody would have stepped down. Not out of shame but because he'd be starting back at square one. Now that they've won 4, I expect him to stay for 5, unless he feels that they won't make it. He has a book out this year I think, which is usually the sign that an era is ending, but who knows with this great manager?
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 07, 2009, 01:53:34 PM
If Tipp had won, I think Cody would have stepped down. Not out of shame but because he'd be starting back at square one. Now that they've won 4, I expect him to stay for 5, unless he feels that they won't make it. He has a book out this year I think, which is usually the sign that an era is ending, but who knows with this great manager?
He's not going anywhere - he's going ot be around for a good while I reckon. Hurling is in the blood and hard to get rid of it.
I disagree. I think he'll stay until they are beaten, and then he'll bring the curtain down, unless the curcumstances of the defeat leave him angry or vengeful. I think he'll move on to club/underage. He's there 10 years, that's an awful long time at the summit.
He'll be there until HE decides he's had enough. I think he's now in the mould of Ferguson and could be around a good while.
In victory yesterday, he was riled by Marty Morrissey's questioning of the penalty.
Can you imagine what he would be like if he was bate in a final ?
Quote from: orangeman on September 07, 2009, 02:15:07 PM
He'll be there until HE decides he's had enough. I think he's now in the mould of Ferguson and could be around a good while.
In victory yesterday, he was riled by Marty Morrissey's questioning of the penalty.
Can you imagine what he would be like if he was bate in a final ?
If he was beaten, he'd be just like he always has been. Gracious and complimentary of the winners. He was just annoyed at Marty being a tool.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 07, 2009, 02:16:50 PM
Quote from: orangeman on September 07, 2009, 02:15:07 PM
He'll be there until HE decides he's had enough. I think he's now in the mould of Ferguson and could be around a good while.
In victory yesterday, he was riled by Marty Morrissey's questioning of the penalty.
Can you imagine what he would be like if he was bate in a final ?
If he was beaten, he'd be just like he always has been. Gracious and complimentary of the winners. He was just annoyed at Marty being a tool.
Didn't think Marty did much wrong to be honest. Any half-decent reporter would ask the same question about arguably the turning point of the game. Cody just lost the rag. I think he was expecting to be showered with effusive praise straight off the bat.
If Marty didn't ask about the penalty people would be complaining about what kind of an eejit is RTE employing who can't even ask the most basic questions about the match.
When they were being bate yesterday and things not going well Cody wasn't his normal, arms folded, pacifist self. Cummins took a quick puck out that went to Noel Mc Grath who wasn't being picked up by anyone and Cody went ballistic, nearly coming out onto the pitch to give a rocket of two to the man who was supposed to be picking up Mc Grath.
On the radio this morning on 2FM they were having a big laugh at Marty's expense, replaying the interview with Marty and Cody after the match.
BTW Marty didn't seem to turn up to City West last night.
Not much mention has been made of Noel Hickey not getting on yesterday. Would he / could he have done a job on Eoin Kelly - speculation I know but what do you'se think ?
Re: Marty, he is a tool! I mean 10 minutes after winning an AI and he is telling (not asking) Cody the only reason he won was because of a dodgy penalty! He even was stupid enough to ask Cody if he had seen it again! Marty is a fool and the only reason RTE have him on the books is because of his sex appeal. Marty the housewives favourite!
Nothing new with Cody getting excited, the few times in his tenure they have lost Cody can be seen going psycho on the line
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 07, 2009, 02:30:11 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 07, 2009, 02:16:50 PM
Quote from: orangeman on September 07, 2009, 02:15:07 PM
He'll be there until HE decides he's had enough. I think he's now in the mould of Ferguson and could be around a good while.
In victory yesterday, he was riled by Marty Morrissey's questioning of the penalty.
Can you imagine what he would be like if he was bate in a final ?
If he was beaten, he'd be just like he always has been. Gracious and complimentary of the winners. He was just annoyed at Marty being a tool.
Didn't think Marty did much wrong to be honest. Any half-decent reporter would ask the same question about arguably the turning point of the game. Cody just lost the rag. I think he was expecting to be showered with effusive praise straight off the bat.
If Marty didn't ask about the penalty people would be complaining about what kind of an eejit is RTE employing who can't even ask the most basic questions about the match.
Exactly, damned if you do, damned if you dont.
It's not that he asked the question it's the manner he went about it! He kept going about it, and then to ask Cody if he has seen a replay of it!!! the interview is 10 minutes after the game not a few hours, where the hell was Cody going to see a couple of replays of the incident?
OM it'd be a bit much to ask a man who hasn't played all year to mark Kelly in that form. I couldn't see how he'd have the match sharpness for it.
Plus if JJ Delaney, who'd be a better man marker than Hickey(who'd have different merits), can't mark him in that form then I doubt anyone can.
Cody was without doubt rattled. I know Marty is a tool but I think Cody was getting a tad paranoid in that maybe he thought Marty was implying they won through a dodgy penalty...
marty was spot on asking the question about the penalty, it was the turning point in the game and as such had to be asked. I think the ref made a mess of the call, it was either a 21 yard free or a free out for over carrying the ball. thats not to say tipp would have won anyway but ti certainly handed the momemtum to the cats.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 07, 2009, 03:08:35 PM
OM it'd be a bit much to ask a man who hasn't played all year to mark Kelly in that form. I couldn't see how he'd have the match sharpness for it.
Plus if JJ Delaney, who'd be a better man marker than Hickey(who'd have different merits), can't mark him in that form then I doubt anyone can.
Cody was without doubt rattled. I know Marty is a tool but I think Cody was getting a tad paranoid in that maybe he thought Marty was implying they won through a dodgy penalty...
You're probably right here. I had heard that hickey was flying in training and I thought maybe that Cody just didn't want to take a chance for exactly the reason you mentioned, lack of match fitness.
Marty was a gentleman compared to that kn**ker Cody.
Cop on. What sort of a statement is that.
Quote from: robbedin82 on September 07, 2009, 04:05:08 PM
Marty was a gentleman compared to that kn**ker Cody.
Don't be like that Marty!
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Quote from: SLIGONIAN on September 06, 2009, 05:24:21 PM
Penalty decision was the winner, KK were as poor as I ever seen them in a long time, blessed to win IMO. Tipp were better side on the day just didnt take the chances but ref handed it to KK, peno won it for them, Correct decision on sending off. But feck me they have the luck. They are great but they do get vital breaks outside of there own control from refs.
Cody didnt like marty there going on about the peno. Wonder why?
Rubbish. Tipp had five scorers, and only two in the first half. Kilkenny had eleven Both sets of backs, in particular the half back line were outstanding. Kilkenny converted goal chances, Tipp didn't. Where you're getting the impression that Tipp were the better team is beyond me. They played well, certainly, but by suggesting they were the better team you are inherently implying Kilkenny were lucky to win it. They raised their game when it was required and won trough sheer bloody-mindedness.
As for Benny Dunne, I'm sick of people saying they "feel sorry" for him and that it was "unfortunate." It happened right in front of me and was absolutely filthy. The ball was five yards away from arriving and he laced him. Both vicious and premeditated. The fact that Tommy Walsh plays on the edge and has given out the odd belt himself is completely irrelevant. He didn't pull a dirty stroke yesterday and I've certainly never seen him pull as blatant a stroke as that, and certainly not aimed at anyone's head. He now has five All-Irelands and looks a sure bet to win a seventh straight All-Star, one every year since his debut. Nobody seems to be mentioning it, but Benny has a reputation himself for being a nasty bugger at times.
An outstanding game with two wonderful teams. Derek Lyng was Kilkenny's oldest outfield player at 31, so they've a few more years in them yet. People are forgetting they played the entire year without Noel Hickey, the best full back of his generation. He, along with Kavanagh (seven wins from ten finals by the age of thirty is remarkable,) Shefflin and Brennan will be looking to tag a few more on before they quit. Skehan has 9 so it will be very interesting to see if any of them can do it. Tipp are definitely a coming team, and Galway surely have to break through soon considering their outstanding underage teams over the last five or six years, so Kilkenny's next generation will really have to step up - TJ, Hogan, Tennyson, Fennelly and Rice will have to become leaders on the team to keep the cycle going.
INDIANA- you've been talking about replacements for Eddie Brennan. You seem to be forgetting that in the first few years, many people would have groaned at Eddie's name on the teamsheet. He was inaccurate and went for goal too often. Over the years he has matured and worked his arse off to turn himself into one of the finest forwards you're ever likely to see. He takes his point more than ever, off both left and right, works back a lot more (he ran forty yards to flick away a ball from Woodlock I think it was yesterday), and only goes for goal when it's on. Both Reid and Hogan are only 21. Plenty of time yet.
I have plenty of Kilkenny connections, so I'd like to make it clear that I'm not rubbing salt into any sore wounds, but is it not about time that sign in Urlingford came down? Four in forty years- home of hurling my arse!
Quote from: gallsman on September 07, 2009, 11:36:22 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on September 06, 2009, 05:24:21 PM
Penalty decision was the winner, KK were as poor as I ever seen them in a long time, blessed to win IMO. Tipp were better side on the day just didnt take the chances but ref handed it to KK, peno won it for them, Correct decision on sending off. But feck me they have the luck. They are great but they do get vital breaks outside of there own control from refs.
Cody didnt like marty there going on about the peno. Wonder why?
Rubbish. Tipp had five scorers, and only two in the first half. Kilkenny had eleven Both sets of backs, in particular the half back line were outstanding. Kilkenny converted goal chances, Tipp didn't. Where you're getting the impression that Tipp were the better team is beyond me.
As a Galway man I'm no great lover of Tipp but I certainly thought they were well in charge of the game during the first 20 minutes of the second half. Kilkenny were just hanging on at that stage really with PJ Ryan especially performing heroics in the Kilkenny goal. Tipp never really recovered from the double whammy of the sending off and the penalty decision coming in quick succession. In fact the penalty seemed to affect them more than the sending off. I just think the stuffing was knocked out of them at that stage but no better team than Kilkenny to finish them off once the heads dropped a little.
Quote from: hardstation on September 07, 2009, 11:59:18 PM
A good assessment of the things and I agree with most of it.
However, you are missing the penalty decision and its impact on the game.
I think foul happened outside box and should have been 21 yard free. Don't think it "changed the game" the way some people are suggesting. They were two down with ten minutes left and an extra man. Post penalty they banged in another goal and Larkin stuck over two great points. In fairness to Kirwan he'd let the play go all afternoon and when he blew the whistle Power was inside the box.
I agree that the ref let a lot go yesterday, but he favoured no side. The Callanan frontal charge early on should have been a free but at the same time you'd see it five or six times a match. Callanan also jumped which made the shoulder hit that bit lower ad worsen the winding. The Padraic Maher one was no foul and no free- if you dip your body and neck you're asking for it to happen. Tipp got a lot of soft points from frees yesterday. One in particular- Hogan and Lar Corbett. If anything Lar was stumbling and was impeding Hogan yet somehow won a free for Kelly to tap over.
Again to the people talking about Tipp being the best team. Kelly and Corbett were fantastic granted. Corbett has phenomenal talent but often goes missing in big games. He usually drives for goal and I've never seen him exhibit the skills he did yesterday. He's burnt Kavanagh several times before but has also been in his pocket on more than one occasion. I can perhaps see him playing see him playing CHF a bit more often- masterstroke by Sheedy. Anyway, back to my argument. Callanan played for the second half, but played well. Noel McGrath got a soft point from a caught puckout when there was no one near him due to confusion over an injury back down the field. His other point was a shot at goal that was a fairly comfortable save for PJ.Other than that he did sweet FA though. Still, an outstanding debut season and a shoo-in for YHOTY. Kerwick did a lot of running but blazed at least three wide. John O'Brien was anonymous. For the three outstanding Tipp defensive players (P Maher, B Maher and O'Mahony) read Kavanagh, Walsh and Tennyson. Contrast the scorers with the Kilkenny scorers. Hogan got two from play while lame. Brennan got three wonderful points, as did Larkin. Richie Power got a point, won several frees and worked his arse off. Henry was unusually quiet but also worked his arse off the whole match (see his hook on O'Mahony) and all three Kilkenny subs scored. Not only that, Comerford also made Henry's point from play as well as the penalty. Tipp were outstanding certainly, but to suggest that Kilkenny "got out of jail free" is insulting and just plain incorrect in my opinion.
A quick comment on Michael Kavanagh. I've been at nine of his ten finals and he's one of the greatest players I've ever seen. Yes, he hasn't quite got the pace and never has had it, but if there's a more intelligent hurler who reads the game quite as well as he does...About five or six years ago he got dropped after Rory Jacob skinned him and people were saying that it was the end of him, but he forced his way back in and I have no doubt that he's one of the first names on the teamsheet.
Quote from: hardstation on September 08, 2009, 12:25:31 AM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 08, 2009, 12:19:58 AM
Quote from: gallsman on September 07, 2009, 11:36:22 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on September 06, 2009, 05:24:21 PM
Penalty decision was the winner, KK were as poor as I ever seen them in a long time, blessed to win IMO. Tipp were better side on the day just didnt take the chances but ref handed it to KK, peno won it for them, Correct decision on sending off. But feck me they have the luck. They are great but they do get vital breaks outside of there own control from refs.
Cody didnt like marty there going on about the peno. Wonder why?
Rubbish. Tipp had five scorers, and only two in the first half. Kilkenny had eleven Both sets of backs, in particular the half back line were outstanding. Kilkenny converted goal chances, Tipp didn't. Where you're getting the impression that Tipp were the better team is beyond me.
As a Galway man I'm no great lover of Tipp but I certainly thought they were well in charge of the game during the first 20 minutes of the second half.
They may have been but they didn't make it count on the scoreboard. That's their own tough luck.
Agreed, Tipp did dominate the start of the second half. I don't dispute that. By the time Benny was sent off they were only a point up and Henry immediately levelled it. Does having the greater amount of the ball but being unable to convert it make you the better team?!
Quote from: INDIANA on September 07, 2009, 12:55:19 PM
In fairness if you watch a re-run just look at how poor at least 5 of the kilkenny players were yesterday.
A couple of the kilkenny lads down the club last night thought Cody was blessed. They reckon he'd have been spit rosted had they lost yesterday. fogarty, Rice, Lyng, Hogan and even Tyrell were miles off the pace yesterday. Even the liikes of Brennan, Tennyson, Henry and Power floated in and out.
People couldn't understand how Richie Hogan was taken off. Granted it worked out well but I think he got a bit lucky yesterday. But as I said the best managers are always lucky!
Ha ha. It kills you to see Kilkenny do well, doesn't it!!
Quote from: orangeman on September 07, 2009, 04:02:01 PM
You're probably right here. I had heard that hickey was flying in training and I thought maybe that Cody just didn't want to take a chance for exactly the reason you mentioned, lack of match fitness.
No, Hickey never got near enough form back in training. He just didn't have enough time to get himself right after his injury. Likewise Cha after his illness.
It was the first year in the 4 of this cycle that Kilkenny had to contend with significant injury worries. And they came through with flying colours.
Quote from: gallsman on September 07, 2009, 11:36:22 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on September 06, 2009, 05:24:21 PM
Penalty decision was the winner, KK were as poor as I ever seen them in a long time, blessed to win IMO. Tipp were better side on the day just didnt take the chances but ref handed it to KK, peno won it for them, Correct decision on sending off. But feck me they have the luck. They are great but they do get vital breaks outside of there own control from refs.
Cody didnt like marty there going on about the peno. Wonder why?
Rubbish. Tipp had five scorers, and only two in the first half. Kilkenny had eleven Both sets of backs, in particular the half back line were outstanding. Kilkenny converted goal chances, Tipp didn't. Where you're getting the impression that Tipp were the better team is beyond me. They played well, certainly, but by suggesting they were the better team you are inherently implying Kilkenny were lucky to win it. They raised their game when it was required and won trough sheer bloody-mindedness.
As for Benny Dunne, I'm sick of people saying they "feel sorry" for him and that it was "unfortunate." It happened right in front of me and was absolutely filthy. The ball was five yards away from arriving and he laced him. Both vicious and premeditated. The fact that Tommy Walsh plays on the edge and has given out the odd belt himself is completely irrelevant. He didn't pull a dirty stroke yesterday and I've certainly never seen him pull as blatant a stroke as that, and certainly not aimed at anyone's head. He now has five All-Irelands and looks a sure bet to win a seventh straight All-Star, one every year since his debut. Nobody seems to be mentioning it, but Benny has a reputation himself for being a nasty bugger at times.
An outstanding game with two wonderful teams. Derek Lyng was Kilkenny's oldest outfield player at 31, so they've a few more years in them yet. People are forgetting they played the entire year without Noel Hickey, the best full back of his generation. He, along with Kavanagh (seven wins from ten finals by the age of thirty is remarkable,) Shefflin and Brennan will be looking to tag a few more on before they quit. Skehan has 9 so it will be very interesting to see if any of them can do it. Tipp are definitely a coming team, and Galway surely have to break through soon considering their outstanding underage teams over the last five or six years, so Kilkenny's next generation will really have to step up - TJ, Hogan, Tennyson, Fennelly and Rice will have to become leaders on the team to keep the cycle going.
INDIANA- you've been talking about replacements for Eddie Brennan. You seem to be forgetting that in the first few years, many people would have groaned at Eddie's name on the teamsheet. He was inaccurate and went for goal too often. Over the years he has matured and worked his arse off to turn himself into one of the finest forwards you're ever likely to see. He takes his point more than ever, off both left and right, works back a lot more (he ran forty yards to flick away a ball from Woodlock I think it was yesterday), and only goes for goal when it's on. Both Reid and Hogan are only 21. Plenty of time yet.
I have plenty of Kilkenny connections, so I'd like to make it clear that I'm not rubbing salt into any sore wounds, but is it not about time that sign in Urlingford came down? Four in forty years- home of hurling my arse!
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Quote from: gallsman on September 08, 2009, 12:23:39 AM
Quote from: hardstation on September 07, 2009, 11:59:18 PM
A good assessment of the things and I agree with most of it.
However, you are missing the penalty decision and its impact on the game.
I think foul happened outside box and should have been 21 yard free. Don't think it "changed the game" the way some people are suggesting. They were two down with ten minutes left and an extra man. Post penalty they banged in another goal and Larkin stuck over two great points. In fairness to Kirwan he'd let the play go all afternoon and when he blew the whistle Power was inside the box.
I agree that the ref let a lot go yesterday, but he favoured no side. The Callanan frontal charge early on should have been a free but at the same time you'd see it five or six times a match. Callanan also jumped which made the shoulder hit that bit lower ad worsen the winding. The Padraic Maher one was no foul and no free- if you dip your body and neck you're asking for it to happen. Tipp got a lot of soft points from frees yesterday. One in particular- Hogan and Lar Corbett. If anything Lar was stumbling and was impeding Hogan yet somehow won a free for Kelly to tap over.
Again to the people talking about Tipp being the best team. Kelly and Corbett were fantastic granted. Corbett has phenomenal talent but often goes missing in big games. He usually drives for goal and I've never seen him exhibit the skills he did yesterday. He's burnt Kavanagh several times before but has also been in his pocket on more than one occasion. I can perhaps see him playing see him playing CHF a bit more often- masterstroke by Sheedy. Anyway, back to my argument. Callanan played for the second half, but played well. Noel McGrath got a soft point from a caught puckout when there was no one near him due to confusion over an injury back down the field. His other point was a shot at goal that was a fairly comfortable save for PJ.Other than that he did sweet FA though. Still, an outstanding debut season and a shoo-in for YHOTY. Kerwick did a lot of running but blazed at least three wide. John O'Brien was anonymous. For the three outstanding Tipp defensive players (P Maher, B Maher and O'Mahony) read Kavanagh, Walsh and Tennyson. Contrast the scorers with the Kilkenny scorers. Hogan got two from play while lame. Brennan got three wonderful points, as did Larkin. Richie Power got a point, won several frees and worked his arse off. Henry was unusually quiet but also worked his arse off the whole match (see his hook on O'Mahony) and all three Kilkenny subs scored. Not only that, Comerford also made Henry's point from play as well as the penalty. Tipp were outstanding certainly, but to suggest that Kilkenny "got out of jail free" is insulting and just plain incorrect in my opinion.
A quick comment on Michael Kavanagh. I've been at nine of his ten finals and he's one of the greatest players I've ever seen. Yes, he hasn't quite got the pace and never has had it, but if there's a more intelligent hurler who reads the game quite as well as he does...About five or six years ago he got dropped after Rory Jacob skinned him and people were saying that it was the end of him, but he forced his way back in and I have no doubt that he's one of the first names on the teamsheet.
again, great post. You really know your hurling.
And I agree 100%. Penalty or no, Kilkenny would still have won the game. They'd have gotten a point (which I was roaring at Henry to take at that stage) and were always going to finish the stronger.
90% of the posts here are unbelievably blinkered. Just like Donal O Grady's assessment of the referee on the sunday game where he highlighted 3 incidents to show the 'poorness' of the ref. All 3 were decisions he believed should have been frees to Tipp. O'Grady is a bitter, jealous little man. Just like all the rest of the begrudgers. Its amazing how the tones of some posts about a team who have just strung 4 all-Irelands together is about how poor they are, how lucky they are, how tactically naive their manager is. Heres a fact that you might have over looked;
2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 all-Ireland hurling champions - Kilkenny.
How about some balance to the assessment here. The Callinan incident should both have been a free and a yellow card, but like the rest of the world, I didn't think so until I saw a replay. And the self-same replay showed the ref did not have a clear line of sight, so cut him some slack.
People go on about the penalty yet have no clue what the ref was actually blowing for. Was it a pull back, was it the arm around the neck - until you know this, please don't state so categorically whether the ref got it right or not, because unless you know what he was thinking, its senseless even questioning it.
The Maher incident was a free in. Power handled the faceguard alright, but only after Maher handled the ball on the ground.
And how about the free in where Hogan and Callinan were simply both running for a ball?
Or John O'Brien trying to hack off Richie Power arm at the elbow for his point just before half-time?
Both of which I didn't question for a second at the time, or even now - but seeing as people are going to selectively nit-pick the refereeing, how about considering those incidents into the mix?
While Tipperary certainly did have the upper-hand for much of the second-half, they were not the better team. They are still about 3 players shy of being where they need to be. Spring Benny Dunne and Michael Webster from the bench isn't exactly going to strike the fear into Kilkenny. They are a fine team. Unrecognisable from as short a time as 2 years ago - but are now back at a place where Tipperary should be. Tipp have never wanted for talented hurlers. It was always other things that held them back, beit politics, management, whatever. Now they're mostly free of that and can get on with what they do best. They'll win an all-Ireland in the next 2 years and players like McGrath and Corbett should pocket 2 or 3 (or more) before they call time on their careers.
One thing I'd fear though - Cummins will retire soon. Though not the greatest goalie I've ever seen, the man has such presence about him and inspires such confidence that hes going to be very difficult to replace. None of the highly-talented keepers Tipp have had down the years, through to the excellent Darren Gleeson, will be able to command the square like he can.
When the dust settles Tipp will see the magnitude of what they achieved this year. Not beating Cork or Waterford or Tipp, but by doing what no team has come close to doing since 2005 - sowing it into Kilkenny. And though they were really on song but still came up a little short, some of those players will just keep on getting better. And who knows, the next day they might get that little bit of luck that all teams need to swing a tight game.
To the begrugders - its you who feed this Kilkenny team and help in no small way to keep them going, so feel free to keep up the sniping comments. The Kilkenny players won't be able to hear you above the jingling of the all-Ireland medals in their pockets.
Its the opinion of a lot of well respected hurling people (note the term well- respected- ie people who actually schieved something in the game)- that the penalty decison with 8mins to go was a turnng point. Just because you don't agree with that doesn't make the rest of us begrudgers.
But the facts remain that until the 62nd minute Tipp were the better side and Kilkenny are floundering even with the spare man. I've watched the game twice , especially the period from the 52nd min (the time of the sending off) to the 62nd minute- the time of the penalty and Tipp were the better side. They were still 2 points up. Which was the biggest lead any team had all day.
It was actually a free out as one prominent ref pointed out yesterday. Tipp could have gone down the pitch and scored again. Who is to say Kilkenny would definitely still have won? But we'll never know now, thanks to that decision, which ruined the final of the century in my view. How a ref, after a player has run 7 steps with nothing more than a hand laid on him can award a penalty is beyond most hurling people, especially when the ref previously let shoulders to the head and frontal charges go without awarding frees.
It wasn't a pullback, the defender tackled with the inside arm-which is legitimate. And the crux of the issue is Power had already taken 6 steps before any arm was ever placed over his shoulder. To make matters worse Kirwan was standing 7 yards away and had a perfect view. If you actually watch his reaction- he panics. For a split second he didn't what to do, gave the decision which he must have known was wrong. And then couldn't go back. There wasn't a hint of decisiveness anywhere.
GAA needs video refs because referees at both codes are getting too many of these decisons wrong. And that was a wrong decison. I'd like to point out again there is no advantage rule anywhere in the Gaa rulebook. None- it doesn't exist. Yet some refs use it, because rugby uses it.
You train your balls off all year and it come down to badly trained umpires who are all claiming the pension, or refs most of whom can't do the job on its own anymore. If anything comes out of this game its that the GAA radically review this whole area. Because its becoming too costly for teams. I still can't figure why the penalty was given. And its not good enough for people to just brush it under the carpet like BT because it suits his own agenda. In no other sports are so many mistakes made year on year.
But how anyone can say that Kilkenny would have definitely have won that game regardless of the penalty decison is talking through their rear in my opinion. Because they don't know.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 08, 2009, 10:47:08 AM
Its the opinion of a lot of well respected hurling people (note the term well- respected- ie people who actually schieved something in the game)- that the penalty decison with 8mins to go was a turnng point. Just because you don't agree with that doesn't make the rest of us begrudgers.
But the facts remain that until the 62nd minute Tipp were the better side and Kilkenny are floundering even with the spare man. I've watched the game twice , especially the period from the 52nd min (the time of the sending off) to the 62nd minute- the time of the penalty and Tipp were the better side. They were still 2 points up. Which was the biggest lead any team had all day.
It was actually a free out as one prominent ref pointed out yesterday. Tipp could have gone down the pitch and scored again. Who is to say Kilkenny would definitely still have won? But we'll never know now, thanks to that decision, which ruined the final of the century in my view. How a ref, after a player has run 7 steps with nothing more than a hand laid on him can award a penalty is beyond most hurling people, especially when the ref previously let shoulders to the head and frontal charges go without awarding frees.
It wasn't a pullback, the defender tackled with the inside arm-which is legitimate. And the crux of the issue is Power had already taken 6 steps before any arm was ever placed over his shoulder. To make matters worse Kirwan was standing 7 yards away and had a perfect view. If you actually watch his reaction- he panics. For a split second he didn't what to do, gave the decision which he must have known was wrong. And then couldn't go back. There wasn't a hint of decisiveness anywhere.
GAA needs video refs because referees at both codes are getting too many of these decisons wrong. And that was a wrong decison. I'd like to point out again there is no advantage rule anywhere in the Gaa rulebook. None- it doesn't exist. Yet some refs use it, because rugby uses it.
You train your balls off all year and it come down to badly trained umpires who are all claiming the pension, or refs most of whom can't do the job on its own anymore. If anything comes out of this game its that the GAA radically review this whole area. Because its becoming too costly for teams. I still can't figure why the penalty was given. And its not good enough for people to just brush it under the carpet like BT because it suits his own agenda. In no other sports are so many mistakes made year on year.
But how anyone can say that Kilkenny would have definitely have won that game regardless of the penalty decison is talking through their rear in my opinion. Because they don't know.
nope, 100% correct. And vice versa. All we do know is what happened. And what happened is that Tipperary broke even in the first half. Dominated for large parts of the second half, but came up second best to a Kilkenny team who finished stronger. Why did they finish stronger? Maybe its the cuteness and the experience. Maybe its the the fact that Tipp were a man down and really lost their way and their shape in the closing 10 minutes. Their play became riddled with the kind of mistakes that Kilkenny had been making 6/7 minutes before that.
Yes its opinion, and thank you for sharing your unbiased, yet wholely consistent opinion that Kilkenny should not have won this (or any other) game this year.
My opinion too is shared by many. And that is that the penalty was an irrelevance. 2 points up or one point down. The fact of the matter is that there was 10 minutes to play. Kilkenny had an extra man. What unfolded would likely have unfolded regardless, though yes, we'll never know for sure.
And it wasn't a free out for steps. If anything was going to be given at that point it was a free in. In my opinion.
God forbid Kilkenny will ever actually deserve to win anything.
INDIANA- Shoulders to the head my arse. Like I said, if you dip your body and head towards an oncoming challenge you're always likely to get it and can have no complaints. As for the challenge on Power, Mickey Kavanagh did the exact same thing to Kelly. Legitimate challenge, Kelly took a bundle of steps and ended up with Kavanagh's arm over his shoulder, winning a free. Did you see Kelly's reaction? He threw a haymaker and was lucky it didn't connect, but I don't hear you being up in arms over that one. As for your comment about there being no advantage rule, refs in both football and hurling have been playing advantage for years without a word said about it. You can't suddenly complain when it hurts your team.
It was a major turning point of the game and a rank bad decision. The fact remains at the 62nd minute of the game Tipp were 2 points up, after a bad decision they were a point down. If thats not a turning point obviously then the Battle of Stalingrad in the 2nd World War was just a footnote!
We'll never know now who would have won even if BT is arrogant enough to think he's a fortune teller now. Have you got the lotto numbers at the weekend by any chance?
Quote from: INDIANA on September 08, 2009, 11:19:38 AM
It was a major turning point of the game and a rank bad decision. The fact remains at the 62nd minute of the game Tipp were 2 points up, after a bad decision they were a point down. If thats not a turning point obviously then the Battle of Stalingrad in the 2nd World War was just a footnote!
We'll never know now who would have won even if BT is arrogant enough to think he's a fortune teller now. Have you got the lotto numbers at the weekend by any chance?
It was a turning point. My point is that it was an irrelevance because the balance of play shifted in Kilkenny's favour and would have regardless of the penalty.
gallman, again, well said.
The penalty was a big turning point, i actually felt watching the game the tide was going to turn, Tipp dominated for 20 mins yet at the time of the pen where only 2 up, i was always confident that KK would enjoy 5 mins of dominance and would outscore Tipp by more than 2 in that period given the extra man and the tiring effect that was bound to have on the Tipp players.
All in all at great final, won by a great team and we should applaud both teams for providing exactly the final we needed in a very mediocre year for hurling.
As a aside, how many times to KK get important goals at times when teams are vunerable ie they've just scored a goal, or coming up to the end of the half when team switch off. And not just one but two or three. They more than any other team seem to read the passage of the game better and react to it.
Quote from: gallsman on September 08, 2009, 11:16:57 AM
INDIANA- Shoulders to the head my arse. Like I said, if you dip your body and head towards an oncoming challenge you're always likely to get it and can have no complaints. As for the challenge on Power, Mickey Kavanagh did the exact same thing to Kelly. Legitimate challenge, Kelly took a bundle of steps and ended up with Kavanagh's arm over his shoulder, winning a free. Did you see Kelly's reaction? He threw a haymaker and was lucky it didn't connect, but I don't hear you being up in arms over that one. As for your comment about there being no advantage rule, refs in both football and hurling have been playing advantage for years without a word said about it. You can't suddenly complain when it hurts your team.
Ok tell me then aidan fogarty didn't shoulder someone in the head shortly before he went off? Tell me Pat kerwick wasn't laid low by a shoulder to the head in the 2nd half. You show me the video evidence that says I'm wrong and I'll agree with you 100%. Callinan got a full frontal charge from Tyrell in the first half-thats a free.
We''ll even for arguments sake let all the above go right and call it fair game. He then after allowing the above contact go scot free, gives a penalty for the sort of contact we'd see in an u10's game at a crucial point in the game. Now are you seriously going to suggest to me that is consistent refereeing. If he was consistent it was a free out. Thats not good refereeing. In anybody's book.
I'm not disputing it was a significant point in the match, what I'm trying to point out is that because only two of their forwards performed for seventy minute the notion that Tipperary deserved to win the match or were "done" by the ref is misguided.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 08, 2009, 11:26:26 AM
Quote from: gallsman on September 08, 2009, 11:16:57 AM
INDIANA- Shoulders to the head my arse. Like I said, if you dip your body and head towards an oncoming challenge you're always likely to get it and can have no complaints. As for the challenge on Power, Mickey Kavanagh did the exact same thing to Kelly. Legitimate challenge, Kelly took a bundle of steps and ended up with Kavanagh's arm over his shoulder, winning a free. Did you see Kelly's reaction? He threw a haymaker and was lucky it didn't connect, but I don't hear you being up in arms over that one. As for your comment about there being no advantage rule, refs in both football and hurling have been playing advantage for years without a word said about it. You can't suddenly complain when it hurts your team.
Ok tell me then aidan fogarty didn't shoulder someone in the head shortly before he went off? Tell me Pat kerwick wasn't laid low by a shoulder to the head in the 2nd half. You show me the video evidence that says I'm wrong and I'll agree with you 100%. Callinan got a full frontal charge from Tyrell in the first half-thats a free.
We''ll even for arguments sake let all the above go right and call it fair game. He then after allowing the above contact go scot free, gives a penalty for the sort of contact we'd see in an u10's game at a crucial point in the game. Now are you seriously going to suggest to me that is consistent refereeing. If he was consistent it was a free out. Thats not good refereeing. In anybody's book.
Hang on now= I've already agreed by with the Tyrell incident. Fogarty? Was that the on on Padraig Maher? No, Maher dipped and getting hit was his own fault, as Duignan pointed out. Kerwick, not at all.
Quote from: bottlethrower7 on September 08, 2009, 11:21:39 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 08, 2009, 11:19:38 AM
It was a major turning point of the game and a rank bad decision. The fact remains at the 62nd minute of the game Tipp were 2 points up, after a bad decision they were a point down. If thats not a turning point obviously then the Battle of Stalingrad in the 2nd World War was just a footnote!
We'll never know now who would have won even if BT is arrogant enough to think he's a fortune teller now. Have you got the lotto numbers at the weekend by any chance?
It was a turning point. My point is that it was an irrelevance because the balance of play shifted in Kilkenny's favour and would have regardless of the penalty.
gallman, again, well said.
If the play had shifted in their favour. Why had Noel Mc Grath scored a point to put Tipp 2 up less than 20 seconds earlier. By the way thats a fact, not conjecture or opinion.
Indy you go on about the dirty challenges made by KK players but forget to mention that one of the dirtiest strokes witnessed in an AI final was made by Dunne a Tipp man... you make out like the poor young innocent Tipp team were bullied by the KK players.
Indiana - what about the free the ref gave Callinan for simply running for a ball with Brian Hogan?
What about what John O'Brien did to Richie Power just before half time.
Or Conor O'Mahony hanging out of Eoin Larkin's neck about 15 minutes into the game just before one of Eddie Brennan's points?
Or the passage of play immediately prior to Derek Lyng's point and the 'rough' play of the Tipp backs in those incidents (particularly on Richie Hogan).
Do you agree with how the ref handled either of those incidents?
Quote from: INDIANA on September 08, 2009, 11:31:25 AM
Quote from: bottlethrower7 on September 08, 2009, 11:21:39 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 08, 2009, 11:19:38 AM
It was a major turning point of the game and a rank bad decision. The fact remains at the 62nd minute of the game Tipp were 2 points up, after a bad decision they were a point down. If thats not a turning point obviously then the Battle of Stalingrad in the 2nd World War was just a footnote!
We'll never know now who would have won even if BT is arrogant enough to think he's a fortune teller now. Have you got the lotto numbers at the weekend by any chance?
It was a turning point. My point is that it was an irrelevance because the balance of play shifted in Kilkenny's favour and would have regardless of the penalty.
gallman, again, well said.
If the play had shifted in their favour. Why had Noel Mc Grath scored a point to put Tipp 2 up less than 20 seconds earlier. By the way thats a fact, not conjecture or opinion.
Like I said because there was a load of confusion over a man lying on the ground down the field! Now you're going to tell me Noel McGrath was having a significant influence on the outcome of the match.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 08, 2009, 11:31:25 AM
Quote from: bottlethrower7 on September 08, 2009, 11:21:39 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 08, 2009, 11:19:38 AM
It was a major turning point of the game and a rank bad decision. The fact remains at the 62nd minute of the game Tipp were 2 points up, after a bad decision they were a point down. If thats not a turning point obviously then the Battle of Stalingrad in the 2nd World War was just a footnote!
We'll never know now who would have won even if BT is arrogant enough to think he's a fortune teller now. Have you got the lotto numbers at the weekend by any chance?
It was a turning point. My point is that it was an irrelevance because the balance of play shifted in Kilkenny's favour and would have regardless of the penalty.
gallman, again, well said.
If the play had shifted in their favour. Why had Noel Mc Grath scored a point to put Tipp 2 up less than 20 seconds earlier. By the way thats a fact, not conjecture or opinion.
because Micheal Kavanagh dropped a ball that should have been bread and butter to him.
or do you mean the one where Cummins pucked the ball out and no one was marking him? If so, because no one was marking him.
Quote from: gallsman on September 08, 2009, 11:31:10 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 08, 2009, 11:26:26 AM
Quote from: gallsman on September 08, 2009, 11:16:57 AM
INDIANA- Shoulders to the head my arse. Like I said, if you dip your body and head towards an oncoming challenge you're always likely to get it and can have no complaints. As for the challenge on Power, Mickey Kavanagh did the exact same thing to Kelly. Legitimate challenge, Kelly took a bundle of steps and ended up with Kavanagh's arm over his shoulder, winning a free. Did you see Kelly's reaction? He threw a haymaker and was lucky it didn't connect, but I don't hear you being up in arms over that one. As for your comment about there being no advantage rule, refs in both football and hurling have been playing advantage for years without a word said about it. You can't suddenly complain when it hurts your team.
Ok tell me then aidan fogarty didn't shoulder someone in the head shortly before he went off? Tell me Pat kerwick wasn't laid low by a shoulder to the head in the 2nd half. You show me the video evidence that says I'm wrong and I'll agree with you 100%. Callinan got a full frontal charge from Tyrell in the first half-thats a free.
We''ll even for arguments sake let all the above go right and call it fair game. He then after allowing the above contact go scot free, gives a penalty for the sort of contact we'd see in an u10's game at a crucial point in the game. Now are you seriously going to suggest to me that is consistent refereeing. If he was consistent it was a free out. Thats not good refereeing. In anybody's book.
Hang on now= I've already agreed by with the Tyrell incident. Fogarty? Was that the on on Padraig Maher? No, Maher dipped and getting hit was his own fault, as Duignan pointed out. Kerwick, not at all.
It still a yellow card offence. watch it -48mins in. Just because someone dips a few inches doesn't give you the legitimacy to shoulder someone in the head. But if you're going to let that go in terms fo cards and award a penalty for no contact whatsoever. That doesn't strike me as consistent refereeing. I even think Curran got a yellow for the penalty, can't quite recall.
Quote from: bottlethrower7 on September 08, 2009, 11:34:53 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 08, 2009, 11:31:25 AM
Quote from: bottlethrower7 on September 08, 2009, 11:21:39 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 08, 2009, 11:19:38 AM
It was a major turning point of the game and a rank bad decision. The fact remains at the 62nd minute of the game Tipp were 2 points up, after a bad decision they were a point down. If thats not a turning point obviously then the Battle of Stalingrad in the 2nd World War was just a footnote!
We'll never know now who would have won even if BT is arrogant enough to think he's a fortune teller now. Have you got the lotto numbers at the weekend by any chance?
It was a turning point. My point is that it was an irrelevance because the balance of play shifted in Kilkenny's favour and would have regardless of the penalty.
gallman, again, well said.
If the play had shifted in their favour. Why had Noel Mc Grath scored a point to put Tipp 2 up less than 20 seconds earlier. By the way thats a fact, not conjecture or opinion.
because Micheal Kavanagh dropped a ball that should have been bread and butter to him.
or do you mean the one where Cummins pucked the ball out and no one was marking him? If so, because no one was marking him.
Sorry you claimed kilkenny were in the ascendency. I'm asking what evidence there is to support that. Check out the score when the Tipp man was sent off and check it out again in the 62nd minute. And then please show me some concrete evidence where you can definitively say Kilkenny were in the ascendency rather than opinion.
Quote from: gallsman on September 08, 2009, 11:34:22 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 08, 2009, 11:31:25 AM
Quote from: bottlethrower7 on September 08, 2009, 11:21:39 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 08, 2009, 11:19:38 AM
It was a major turning point of the game and a rank bad decision. The fact remains at the 62nd minute of the game Tipp were 2 points up, after a bad decision they were a point down. If thats not a turning point obviously then the Battle of Stalingrad in the 2nd World War was just a footnote!
We'll never know now who would have won even if BT is arrogant enough to think he's a fortune teller now. Have you got the lotto numbers at the weekend by any chance?
It was a turning point. My point is that it was an irrelevance because the balance of play shifted in Kilkenny's favour and would have regardless of the penalty.
gallman, again, well said.
If the play had shifted in their favour. Why had Noel Mc Grath scored a point to put Tipp 2 up less than 20 seconds earlier. By the way thats a fact, not conjecture or opinion.
Like I said because there was a load of confusion over a man lying on the ground down the field! Now you're going to tell me Noel McGrath was having a significant influence on the outcome of the match.
No I'm simply stating the facts that Tipp were 2 up at the time of the penalty when allegedly kilkenny were in the ascendency.
Quote from: EddieMerx on September 08, 2009, 11:32:08 AM
Indy you go on about the dirty challenges made by KK players but forget to mention that one of the dirtiest strokes witnessed in an AI final was made by Dunne a Tipp man... you make out like the poor young innocent Tipp team were bullied by the KK players.
Never said Dunne hadn't to walk anywhere. I think I did comment on the irony on Sunday but he had to go no question. Never said Tipp were bullied by anyone, I'm just commenting on the inconsistent refereeing and asking questions as to why video evidence isn't used.
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Quote from: gallsman on September 08, 2009, 11:16:57 AM
INDIANA- Shoulders to the head my arse. Like I said, if you dip your body and head towards an oncoming challenge you're always likely to get it and can have no complaints. As for the challenge on Power, Mickey Kavanagh did the exact same thing to Kelly. Legitimate challenge, Kelly took a bundle of steps and ended up with Kavanagh's arm over his shoulder, winning a free. Did you see Kelly's reaction? He threw a haymaker and was lucky it didn't connect, but I don't hear you being up in arms over that one. As for your comment about there being no advantage rule, refs in both football and hurling have been playing advantage for years without a word said about it. You can't suddenly complain when it hurts your team.
Ok tell me then aidan fogarty didn't shoulder someone in the head shortly before he went off? Tell me Pat kerwick wasn't laid low by a shoulder to the head in the 2nd half. You show me the video evidence that says I'm wrong and I'll agree with you 100%. Callinan got a full frontal charge from Tyrell in the first half-thats a free.
We''ll even for arguments sake let all the above go right and call it fair game. He then after allowing the above contact go scot free, gives a penalty for the sort of contact we'd see in an u10's game at a crucial point in the game. Now are you seriously going to suggest to me that is consistent refereeing. If he was consistent it was a free out. Thats not good refereeing. In anybody's book.
Hang on now= I've already agreed by with the Tyrell incident. Fogarty? Was that the on on Padraig Maher? No, Maher dipped and getting hit was his own fault, as Duignan pointed out. Kerwick, not at all.
It still a yellow card offence. watch it -48mins in. Just because someone dips a few inches doesn't give you the legitimacy to shoulder someone in the head. But if you're going to let that go in terms fo cards and award a penalty for no contact whatsoever. That doesn't strike me as consistent refereeing. I even think Curran got a yellow for the penalty, can't quite recall.
Quote from: bottlethrower7 on September 08, 2009, 11:34:53 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 08, 2009, 11:31:25 AM
Quote from: bottlethrower7 on September 08, 2009, 11:21:39 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 08, 2009, 11:19:38 AM
It was a major turning point of the game and a rank bad decision. The fact remains at the 62nd minute of the game Tipp were 2 points up, after a bad decision they were a point down. If thats not a turning point obviously then the Battle of Stalingrad in the 2nd World War was just a footnote!
We'll never know now who would have won even if BT is arrogant enough to think he's a fortune teller now. Have you got the lotto numbers at the weekend by any chance?
It was a turning point. My point is that it was an irrelevance because the balance of play shifted in Kilkenny's favour and would have regardless of the penalty.
gallman, again, well said.
If the play had shifted in their favour. Why had Noel Mc Grath scored a point to put Tipp 2 up less than 20 seconds earlier. By the way thats a fact, not conjecture or opinion.
because Micheal Kavanagh dropped a ball that should have been bread and butter to him.
or do you mean the one where Cummins pucked the ball out and no one was marking him? If so, because no one was marking him.
Sorry you claimed kilkenny were in the ascendency. I'm asking what evidence there is to support that. Check out the score when the Tipp man was sent off and check it out again in the 62nd minute. And then please show me some concrete evidence where you can definitively say Kilkenny were in the ascendency rather than opinion.
check it again in the 70th minute. As Brian Cody rightly says, the only time the scoreboard matters.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 08, 2009, 11:40:24 AM
Quote from: gallsman on September 08, 2009, 11:34:22 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 08, 2009, 11:31:25 AM
Quote from: bottlethrower7 on September 08, 2009, 11:21:39 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 08, 2009, 11:19:38 AM
It was a major turning point of the game and a rank bad decision. The fact remains at the 62nd minute of the game Tipp were 2 points up, after a bad decision they were a point down. If thats not a turning point obviously then the Battle of Stalingrad in the 2nd World War was just a footnote!
We'll never know now who would have won even if BT is arrogant enough to think he's a fortune teller now. Have you got the lotto numbers at the weekend by any chance?
It was a turning point. My point is that it was an irrelevance because the balance of play shifted in Kilkenny's favour and would have regardless of the penalty.
gallman, again, well said.
If the play had shifted in their favour. Why had Noel Mc Grath scored a point to put Tipp 2 up less than 20 seconds earlier. By the way thats a fact, not conjecture or opinion.
Like I said because there was a load of confusion over a man lying on the ground down the field! Now you're going to tell me Noel McGrath was having a significant influence on the outcome of the match.
No I'm simply stating the facts that Tipp were 2 up at the time of the penalty when allegedly kilkenny were in the ascendency.
Grand, so they're two points up and Kilkenny score a point from a 21 yard free. This leaves them a point behind with an extra man with ten minutes to go. The notion that Tipp were nailed on certs to win until the penalty is ridiculous.
Well teh Cats used one of their nine lives on Sunday. Great game though, best final in a few years. Looks like a Tipp V Kilkenny repeat next year - and Tipp to do it.
Quote from: bottlethrower7 on September 08, 2009, 11:45:41 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 08, 2009, 11:39:04 AM
Quote from: gallsman on September 08, 2009, 11:31:10 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 08, 2009, 11:26:26 AM
Quote from: gallsman on September 08, 2009, 11:16:57 AM
INDIANA- Shoulders to the head my arse. Like I said, if you dip your body and head towards an oncoming challenge you're always likely to get it and can have no complaints. As for the challenge on Power, Mickey Kavanagh did the exact same thing to Kelly. Legitimate challenge, Kelly took a bundle of steps and ended up with Kavanagh's arm over his shoulder, winning a free. Did you see Kelly's reaction? He threw a haymaker and was lucky it didn't connect, but I don't hear you being up in arms over that one. As for your comment about there being no advantage rule, refs in both football and hurling have been playing advantage for years without a word said about it. You can't suddenly complain when it hurts your team.
Ok tell me then aidan fogarty didn't shoulder someone in the head shortly before he went off? Tell me Pat kerwick wasn't laid low by a shoulder to the head in the 2nd half. You show me the video evidence that says I'm wrong and I'll agree with you 100%. Callinan got a full frontal charge from Tyrell in the first half-thats a free.
We''ll even for arguments sake let all the above go right and call it fair game. He then after allowing the above contact go scot free, gives a penalty for the sort of contact we'd see in an u10's game at a crucial point in the game. Now are you seriously going to suggest to me that is consistent refereeing. If he was consistent it was a free out. Thats not good refereeing. In anybody's book.
Hang on now= I've already agreed by with the Tyrell incident. Fogarty? Was that the on on Padraig Maher? No, Maher dipped and getting hit was his own fault, as Duignan pointed out. Kerwick, not at all.
It still a yellow card offence. watch it -48mins in. Just because someone dips a few inches doesn't give you the legitimacy to shoulder someone in the head. But if you're going to let that go in terms fo cards and award a penalty for no contact whatsoever. That doesn't strike me as consistent refereeing. I even think Curran got a yellow for the penalty, can't quite recall.
Quote from: bottlethrower7 on September 08, 2009, 11:34:53 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 08, 2009, 11:31:25 AM
Quote from: bottlethrower7 on September 08, 2009, 11:21:39 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 08, 2009, 11:19:38 AM
It was a major turning point of the game and a rank bad decision. The fact remains at the 62nd minute of the game Tipp were 2 points up, after a bad decision they were a point down. If thats not a turning point obviously then the Battle of Stalingrad in the 2nd World War was just a footnote!
We'll never know now who would have won even if BT is arrogant enough to think he's a fortune teller now. Have you got the lotto numbers at the weekend by any chance?
It was a turning point. My point is that it was an irrelevance because the balance of play shifted in Kilkenny's favour and would have regardless of the penalty.
gallman, again, well said.
If the play had shifted in their favour. Why had Noel Mc Grath scored a point to put Tipp 2 up less than 20 seconds earlier. By the way thats a fact, not conjecture or opinion.
because Micheal Kavanagh dropped a ball that should have been bread and butter to him.
or do you mean the one where Cummins pucked the ball out and no one was marking him? If so, because no one was marking him.
Sorry you claimed kilkenny were in the ascendency. I'm asking what evidence there is to support that. Check out the score when the Tipp man was sent off and check it out again in the 62nd minute. And then please show me some concrete evidence where you can definitively say Kilkenny were in the ascendency rather than opinion.
check it again in the 70th minute. As Brian Cody rightly says, the only time the scoreboard matters.
Disappointing response really. Nothing to offer.
Quote from: gallsman on September 08, 2009, 11:48:15 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 08, 2009, 11:40:24 AM
Quote from: gallsman on September 08, 2009, 11:34:22 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 08, 2009, 11:31:25 AM
Quote from: bottlethrower7 on September 08, 2009, 11:21:39 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 08, 2009, 11:19:38 AM
It was a major turning point of the game and a rank bad decision. The fact remains at the 62nd minute of the game Tipp were 2 points up, after a bad decision they were a point down. If thats not a turning point obviously then the Battle of Stalingrad in the 2nd World War was just a footnote!
We'll never know now who would have won even if BT is arrogant enough to think he's a fortune teller now. Have you got the lotto numbers at the weekend by any chance?
It was a turning point. My point is that it was an irrelevance because the balance of play shifted in Kilkenny's favour and would have regardless of the penalty.
gallman, again, well said.
If the play had shifted in their favour. Why had Noel Mc Grath scored a point to put Tipp 2 up less than 20 seconds earlier. By the way thats a fact, not conjecture or opinion.
Like I said because there was a load of confusion over a man lying on the ground down the field! Now you're going to tell me Noel McGrath was having a significant influence on the outcome of the match.
No I'm simply stating the facts that Tipp were 2 up at the time of the penalty when allegedly kilkenny were in the ascendency.
Grand, so they're two points up and Kilkenny score a point from a 21 yard free. This leaves them a point behind with an extra man with ten minutes to go. The notion that Tipp were nailed on certs to win until the penalty is ridiculous.
Sorry it was a free out. How is that a 21 yard free? Have you got the lotto numbers for the weekend?
Quote from: INDIANA on September 08, 2009, 01:32:45 PM
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Quote from: INDIANA on September 08, 2009, 11:26:26 AM
Quote from: gallsman on September 08, 2009, 11:16:57 AM
INDIANA- Shoulders to the head my arse. Like I said, if you dip your body and head towards an oncoming challenge you're always likely to get it and can have no complaints. As for the challenge on Power, Mickey Kavanagh did the exact same thing to Kelly. Legitimate challenge, Kelly took a bundle of steps and ended up with Kavanagh's arm over his shoulder, winning a free. Did you see Kelly's reaction? He threw a haymaker and was lucky it didn't connect, but I don't hear you being up in arms over that one. As for your comment about there being no advantage rule, refs in both football and hurling have been playing advantage for years without a word said about it. You can't suddenly complain when it hurts your team.
Ok tell me then aidan fogarty didn't shoulder someone in the head shortly before he went off? Tell me Pat kerwick wasn't laid low by a shoulder to the head in the 2nd half. You show me the video evidence that says I'm wrong and I'll agree with you 100%. Callinan got a full frontal charge from Tyrell in the first half-thats a free.
We''ll even for arguments sake let all the above go right and call it fair game. He then after allowing the above contact go scot free, gives a penalty for the sort of contact we'd see in an u10's game at a crucial point in the game. Now are you seriously going to suggest to me that is consistent refereeing. If he was consistent it was a free out. Thats not good refereeing. In anybody's book.
Hang on now= I've already agreed by with the Tyrell incident. Fogarty? Was that the on on Padraig Maher? No, Maher dipped and getting hit was his own fault, as Duignan pointed out. Kerwick, not at all.
It still a yellow card offence. watch it -48mins in. Just because someone dips a few inches doesn't give you the legitimacy to shoulder someone in the head. But if you're going to let that go in terms fo cards and award a penalty for no contact whatsoever. That doesn't strike me as consistent refereeing. I even think Curran got a yellow for the penalty, can't quite recall.
Quote from: bottlethrower7 on September 08, 2009, 11:34:53 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 08, 2009, 11:31:25 AM
Quote from: bottlethrower7 on September 08, 2009, 11:21:39 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 08, 2009, 11:19:38 AM
It was a major turning point of the game and a rank bad decision. The fact remains at the 62nd minute of the game Tipp were 2 points up, after a bad decision they were a point down. If thats not a turning point obviously then the Battle of Stalingrad in the 2nd World War was just a footnote!
We'll never know now who would have won even if BT is arrogant enough to think he's a fortune teller now. Have you got the lotto numbers at the weekend by any chance?
It was a turning point. My point is that it was an irrelevance because the balance of play shifted in Kilkenny's favour and would have regardless of the penalty.
gallman, again, well said.
If the play had shifted in their favour. Why had Noel Mc Grath scored a point to put Tipp 2 up less than 20 seconds earlier. By the way thats a fact, not conjecture or opinion.
because Micheal Kavanagh dropped a ball that should have been bread and butter to him.
or do you mean the one where Cummins pucked the ball out and no one was marking him? If so, because no one was marking him.
Sorry you claimed kilkenny were in the ascendency. I'm asking what evidence there is to support that. Check out the score when the Tipp man was sent off and check it out again in the 62nd minute. And then please show me some concrete evidence where you can definitively say Kilkenny were in the ascendency rather than opinion.
check it again in the 70th minute. As Brian Cody rightly says, the only time the scoreboard matters.
Disappointing response really. Nothing to offer.
agreed
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Quote from: gallsman on September 08, 2009, 11:34:22 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 08, 2009, 11:31:25 AM
Quote from: bottlethrower7 on September 08, 2009, 11:21:39 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 08, 2009, 11:19:38 AM
It was a major turning point of the game and a rank bad decision. The fact remains at the 62nd minute of the game Tipp were 2 points up, after a bad decision they were a point down. If thats not a turning point obviously then the Battle of Stalingrad in the 2nd World War was just a footnote!
We'll never know now who would have won even if BT is arrogant enough to think he's a fortune teller now. Have you got the lotto numbers at the weekend by any chance?
It was a turning point. My point is that it was an irrelevance because the balance of play shifted in Kilkenny's favour and would have regardless of the penalty.
gallman, again, well said.
If the play had shifted in their favour. Why had Noel Mc Grath scored a point to put Tipp 2 up less than 20 seconds earlier. By the way thats a fact, not conjecture or opinion.
Like I said because there was a load of confusion over a man lying on the ground down the field! Now you're going to tell me Noel McGrath was having a significant influence on the outcome of the match.
No I'm simply stating the facts that Tipp were 2 up at the time of the penalty when allegedly kilkenny were in the ascendency.
Grand, so they're two points up and Kilkenny score a point from a 21 yard free. This leaves them a point behind with an extra man with ten minutes to go. The notion that Tipp were nailed on certs to win until the penalty is ridiculous.
Sorry it was a free out. How is that a 21 yard free? Have you got the lotto numbers for the weekend?
Fine, then Kelly's point for the "foul" by Kavanagh doesn't count either. Nor does the one from the free Kelly got after the "foul" on Corbett by Hogan. See where I'm going here???
Indiana you can jump on the bandwagon all you like and focus solely on the referees mistakes which suit your argument
But what about Callinans & Eoin Kelly's "mistakes"? Benny Dunnes "mistake"? What about the wides when they went 3 up going into the last quarter? The game was there to be won and Tipp people would be better to focus on there own failings which cost them the game rather than hone in on what was an excellent refereeing performance overall, and focus on one poor decision. If they work on those they'll be all the better next year and that I look forward to. They played their part in a fantastic game and for what is a young team, they can take great heart from that.
Of course that won't get you your money back :)
Indy frankly you are clutching at straws here, KK played Tipp 3 times this year and won 3 times. Is that not proof enough that they are even a tiny bit better than Tipp! Just give them credit for their victory and let the Mighty Tipp reign supreme next year and for many years to come
Quote from: EddieMerx on September 08, 2009, 02:04:51 PM
Indy frankly you are clutching at straws here, KK played Tipp 3 times this year and won 3 times. Is that not proof enough that they are even a tiny bit better than Tipp! Just give them credit for their victory and let the Mighty Tipp reign supreme next year and for many years to come
ha ha. Well said. Kilkenny beat Tipp 3 times this year and somehow Tipp are a better team (but in a sense thats more derogatory to Kilkenny than complimentary to Tipperary). Incredible logic really.
IMO KK did get out of jail a wee bit on Sunday. But the story of the game was the last 10 minutes where KK were being beat by 3 points and went on and won the game by 5, an 8 point swing. Ok the penatly was dodgy enough, but it was an 8 point swing and not a 3 point swing. A penalty only counts as 3 and even if it were only a free in and Henry had taken a point, I sincerely believe that KK's tails were well and truly up, Tipp had been reduced to 14 and that KK were going to go on and win the game anyway.
The ref let everything go but still awarded 19 frees to Tipp and Eoin Kelly had a lot of target practice. KK got 8 frees. I'm not sure if the free count was fair or not. You'd probably have to back through the game and analyse every single decision which won't get us anywhere.
I've said this already - Tipp played out of their skins, played their best hurling in years and still came up 5 points short. KK underperformed for long periods and still won.
Quote from: EddieMerx on September 08, 2009, 02:04:51 PM
Indy frankly you are clutching at straws here, KK played Tipp 3 times this year and won 3 times. Is that not proof enough that they are even a tiny bit better than Tipp! Just give them credit for their victory and let the Mighty Tipp reign supreme next year and for many years to come
that doesn't change the fact that at the 62nd minute Tipp were 2 points up. None of you have any response it seems to that.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 08, 2009, 02:33:57 PM
Quote from: EddieMerx on September 08, 2009, 02:04:51 PM
Indy frankly you are clutching at straws here, KK played Tipp 3 times this year and won 3 times. Is that not proof enough that they are even a tiny bit better than Tipp! Just give them credit for their victory and let the Mighty Tipp reign supreme next year and for many years to come
that doesn't change the fact that at the 62nd minute Tipp were 2 points up. None of you have any response it seems to that.
I responded several times. I also pointed out that Tipp got two points from frees that never were and you haven't responded.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 08, 2009, 02:33:57 PM
that doesn't change the fact that at the 62nd minute Tipp were 2 points up. None of you have any response it seems to that.
Congrats Tipp ??? now keep it going for 70 ;)
Quote from: bottlethrower7 on September 08, 2009, 02:14:23 PM
Quote from: EddieMerx on September 08, 2009, 02:04:51 PM
Indy frankly you are clutching at straws here, KK played Tipp 3 times this year and won 3 times. Is that not proof enough that they are even a tiny bit better than Tipp! Just give them credit for their victory and let the Mighty Tipp reign supreme next year and for many years to come
ha ha. Well said. Kilkenny beat Tipp 3 times this year and somehow Tipp are a better team (but in a sense thats more derogatory to Kilkenny than complimentary to Tipperary). Incredible logic really.
Jesus BT I'd have expected better from yourself . Putting words in my mouth really doesn't do you any favours.
Quote from: theskull1 on September 08, 2009, 02:01:31 PM
Indiana you can jump on the bandwagon all you like and focus solely on the referees mistakes which suit your argument
But what about Callinans & Eoin Kelly's "mistakes"? Benny Dunnes "mistake"? What about the wides when they went 3 up going into the last quarter? The game was there to be won and Tipp people would be better to focus on there own failings which cost them the game rather than hone in on what was an excellent refereeing performance overall, and focus on one poor decision. If they work on those they'll be all the better next year and that I look forward to. They played their part in a fantastic game and for what is a young team, they can take great heart from that.
Of course that won't get you your money back :)
It won't get my money back unfortunately :D but they may not get back their next year. I just think its incredible that in 2009 that we still don't have video refs. I think it would have gone down to the wire without the decison. But i can't say that for sure because I'm not a clairvoyant like BT. Who apparently can say with certainty that Kilkenny would have won the game anyway, but can't tell me the Lotto numbers for the weekend to get some of my money back!
Incredible logic as he would say himself!
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Quote from: bottlethrower7 on September 08, 2009, 02:14:23 PM
Quote from: EddieMerx on September 08, 2009, 02:04:51 PM
Indy frankly you are clutching at straws here, KK played Tipp 3 times this year and won 3 times. Is that not proof enough that they are even a tiny bit better than Tipp! Just give them credit for their victory and let the Mighty Tipp reign supreme next year and for many years to come
ha ha. Well said. Kilkenny beat Tipp 3 times this year and somehow Tipp are a better team (but in a sense thats more derogatory to Kilkenny than complimentary to Tipperary). Incredible logic really.
Jesus BT I'd have expected better from yourself . Putting words in my mouth really doesn't do you any favours.
Quote from: theskull1 on September 08, 2009, 02:01:31 PM
Indiana you can jump on the bandwagon all you like and focus solely on the referees mistakes which suit your argument
But what about Callinans & Eoin Kelly's "mistakes"? Benny Dunnes "mistake"? What about the wides when they went 3 up going into the last quarter? The game was there to be won and Tipp people would be better to focus on there own failings which cost them the game rather than hone in on what was an excellent refereeing performance overall, and focus on one poor decision. If they work on those they'll be all the better next year and that I look forward to. They played their part in a fantastic game and for what is a young team, they can take great heart from that.
Of course that won't get you your money back :)
It won't get my money back unfortunately :D but they may not get back their next year. I just think its incredible that in 2009 that we still don't have video refs. I think it would have gone down to the wire without the decison. But i can't say that for sure because I'm not a clairvoyant like BT. Who apparently can say with certainty that Kilkenny would have won the game anyway, but can't tell me the Lotto numbers for the weekend to get some of my money back!
Incredible logic as he would say himself!
You still haven't acknowledged my posts.
Quote from: gallsman on September 08, 2009, 01:39:48 PM
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Quote from: INDIANA on September 08, 2009, 11:19:38 AM
It was a major turning point of the game and a rank bad decision. The fact remains at the 62nd minute of the game Tipp were 2 points up, after a bad decision they were a point down. If thats not a turning point obviously then the Battle of Stalingrad in the 2nd World War was just a footnote!
We'll never know now who would have won even if BT is arrogant enough to think he's a fortune teller now. Have you got the lotto numbers at the weekend by any chance?
It was a turning point. My point is that it was an irrelevance because the balance of play shifted in Kilkenny's favour and would have regardless of the penalty.
gallman, again, well said.
If the play had shifted in their favour. Why had Noel Mc Grath scored a point to put Tipp 2 up less than 20 seconds earlier. By the way thats a fact, not conjecture or opinion.
Like I said because there was a load of confusion over a man lying on the ground down the field! Now you're going to tell me Noel McGrath was having a significant influence on the outcome of the match.
No I'm simply stating the facts that Tipp were 2 up at the time of the penalty when allegedly kilkenny were in the ascendency.
Grand, so they're two points up and Kilkenny score a point from a 21 yard free. This leaves them a point behind with an extra man with ten minutes to go. The notion that Tipp were nailed on certs to win until the penalty is ridiculous.
Sorry it was a free out. How is that a 21 yard free? Have you got the lotto numbers for the weekend?
Fine, then Kelly's point for the "foul" by Kavanagh doesn't count either. Nor does the one from the free Kelly got after the "foul" on Corbett by Hogan. See where I'm going here???
Thought the kavanagh one was a foul really. Don't recall the other but sure I'll have a look at it.
Certainty the kavanagh one was far more of a free than the power penalty, where I'm still struggling to see how a penalty was ever awarded.
Look for me it runied the game. And not because I lost that much money on it. It would have been interesting to see down the stretch who'd have won. We didn't get that chance thanks to that decison in my view.
And that is a shame.
The way I see it Indy, no penalty on 62 mins but a 21 yard free in (you can argue all you want but as pointed out earlier we can take away a few Tipp frees)
62 mins - KK 1 point down and Tipp down to 14
10 minutes to go and I think that the best Tipp could have got out of this game was a replay. It's common sense to think that in those 10 mins the 15 men of KK would have pulled away (which they did after the goal anyway)
Quote from: EddieMerx on September 08, 2009, 02:36:07 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 08, 2009, 02:33:57 PM
that doesn't change the fact that at the 62nd minute Tipp were 2 points up. None of you have any response it seems to that.
Congrats Tipp ??? now keep it going for 70 ;)
they're lobbying for a video ref. Maybe they can tack this on too - make it a 62-minute game. 31-minute halfs because 62 is some kind of magic number or other down Tipp way.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 08, 2009, 02:41:11 PM
It won't get my money back unfortunately :D but they may not get back their next year. I just think its incredible that in 2009 that we still don't have video refs. I think it would have gone down to the wire without the decison. But i can't say that for sure because I'm not a clairvoyant like BT. Who apparently can say with certainty that Kilkenny would have won the game anyway, but can't tell me the Lotto numbers for the weekend to get some of my money back!
Incredible logic as he would say himself!
well no, not that they would have won with certainty. I actually said we'd never know that. All we know for sure is what happened. What I actually said was that there was 10 minutes left. Kilkenny had an extra man. If the penalty had have been a free with a point the outcome, that Kilkenny would likely have had the upper-hand (despite Tipps 2 post-sending-off 'against the run of play' points) in the closing stages in the game. The rest is, as you said, just putting words in my mouth.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 08, 2009, 02:33:57 PM
Quote from: EddieMerx on September 08, 2009, 02:04:51 PM
Indy frankly you are clutching at straws here, KK played Tipp 3 times this year and won 3 times. Is that not proof enough that they are even a tiny bit better than Tipp! Just give them credit for their victory and let the Mighty Tipp reign supreme next year and for many years to come
that doesn't change the fact that at the 62nd minute Tipp were 2 points up. None of you have any response it seems to that.
Indy, yes tipp were up by two points after 3 poor wides and two good goal chances fluffed. You can say that Eoin Kelly slipped, but he
may have bottled it inside, same with Callinan going to the keepers good side instead of burying it low to the left. All these instances maybe showed that Tipp as a team didn't have it in them to close the game out due to their inexperience on the big day. But we'll never know because it was the referees fault they lost :P
I actually thought Tipp were still playing very well even down to 14 men. The penalty just killed them though. I think it broke their spirit and mentally they were done at that point. They were probably still feeling sorry for themselves when they were caught out quickly again for the second Kilkenny goal. They left so much space back there for the first time all afternoon it just looked like their heads had gone at that point. No better team than Kilkenny of course to exploit that little lack of concentration.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 08, 2009, 02:47:34 PM
Thought the kavanagh one was a foul really. Don't recall the other but sure I'll have a look at it.
This coming from the guy who has watched the game live and twice on replay!!! lets hope you are not the video ref ;)
Quote from: INDIANA on September 08, 2009, 02:47:34 PM
Thought the kavanagh one was a foul really. Don't recall the other but sure I'll have a look at it.
Certainty the kavanagh one was far more of a free than the power penalty, where I'm still struggling to see how a penalty was ever awarded.
Look for me it runied the game. And not because I lost that much money on it. It would have been interesting to see down the stretch who'd have won. We didn't get that chance thanks to that decison in my view.
And that is a shame.
I thought the Kavanagh one was a foul too, but why wasn't Kelly done for over-carrying the way you say Power should have been? Also, Kelly lashed out after it and was very lucky his haymaker didn't connect or he'd have seen the line.
Quote from: gallsman on September 08, 2009, 03:12:16 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 08, 2009, 02:47:34 PM
Thought the kavanagh one was a foul really. Don't recall the other but sure I'll have a look at it.
Certainty the kavanagh one was far more of a free than the power penalty, where I'm still struggling to see how a penalty was ever awarded.
Look for me it runied the game. And not because I lost that much money on it. It would have been interesting to see down the stretch who'd have won. We didn't get that chance thanks to that decison in my view.
And that is a shame.
I thought the Kavanagh one was a foul too, but why wasn't Kelly done for over-carrying the way you say Power should have been? Also, Kelly lashed out after it and was very lucky his haymaker didn't connect or he'd have seen the line.
that was an amazing little outburst by Kelly alright. I was surprised. His flailing arms could have been interpreted less favourably by a less Tipp-friendly referee.
KILKENNY manager Brian Cody has again claimed there is a media witch-hunt against potential hurling 'Player of the Year' for 2009, Tommy Walsh.
Cody also hit out at what he perceived is a continuing agenda to influence referees against the All-Ireland champions.
In the build-up to the Leinster hurling final in June, Cody touched on the slant being taken against his star wing-back.
In an 'Off the Ball' radio interview on Newstalk last night Cody was pressed on his RTE postmatch interview where he seethed over a question about the refereeing performance of Diarmuid Kirwan.
"I had listened to an awful lot of rubbish in the build-up to the game about refs, what they should watch Kilkenny do and don't do," he said.
"The reality is that there is an agenda there the whole time for the past while about influencing referees against Kilkenny. The Tommy Walsh witch-hunt went on and Tommy Walsh rose above everything and proved the kind of player he is.
"After keeping my mouth shut about it and to be in pretty good form after winning four-in-a-row, to go in (to the interview) and listen again about referees...
"Paul Flynn had a 'super little' preview the week before where he thought it so important that the referee was so important, so I felt it was time to stop this. Cody said he could only "presume" that the agendas he claims exist are based on his team's success.
I was waiting for Cody to say something about Paul Flynn's statement on RTE the week before the final. It didn't go unnoticed. ;) ;)
Marty got told off on Sunday. Paul on Wednesday. Watch out - Cody's about !! ;)
He's launching a book so need to keep the mejaa busy for a week or two.
Quote from: orangeman on September 09, 2009, 03:43:44 PM
KILKENNY manager Brian Cody has again claimed there is a media witch-hunt against potential hurling 'Player of the Year' for 2009, Tommy Walsh.
Cody also hit out at what he perceived is a continuing agenda to influence referees against the All-Ireland champions.
In the build-up to the Leinster hurling final in June, Cody touched on the slant being taken against his star wing-back.
In an 'Off the Ball' radio interview on Newstalk last night Cody was pressed on his RTE postmatch interview where he seethed over a question about the refereeing performance of Diarmuid Kirwan.
"I had listened to an awful lot of rubbish in the build-up to the game about refs, what they should watch Kilkenny do and don't do," he said.
"The reality is that there is an agenda there the whole time for the past while about influencing referees against Kilkenny. The Tommy Walsh witch-hunt went on and Tommy Walsh rose above everything and proved the kind of player he is.
"After keeping my mouth shut about it and to be in pretty good form after winning four-in-a-row, to go in (to the interview) and listen again about referees...
"Paul Flynn had a 'super little' preview the week before where he thought it so important that the referee was so important, so I felt it was time to stop this. Cody said he could only "presume" that the agendas he claims exist are based on his team's success.
I was waiting for Cody to say something about Paul Flynn's statement on RTE the week before the final. It didn't go unnoticed. ;) ;)
Marty got told off on Sunday. Paul on Wednesday. Watch out - Cody's about !! ;)
Getting a bit fed up with Cody and his alleged media witch-hunt
Because he mentioned it a few times this week????
Selective memory Eddie. You've obviously forgotten how he practically bullied a ref a couple of years ago off the pitch at halftime and got away with it. Galway fans will fill you in. Brian can't have it both ways.
Seriously what county manager doesn't speak to the press and bully the ref? you are being selective in just picking out Cody! every manager from U12 to senior county shouts at the ref, linesmen, umpires, players, fans, opposition, priest, kids, God... so on! this is the GAA not Rugby
Revisit the game Eddie. Not every manager runs onto the pitch at halftime and escorts the ref off the pitch shouting at him and continues in the referees room during halftime. Most managers escort their teams to the dressing room.
So its not ok for Brian to criticise people for pointing out the inadequacies of referees when he's done it himself on national Tv several times in the past . Hypocritical to say the least.
Are you sure that not every manager confronts the ref? I have seen it many times. You must have lost some serious cash on this game because you are anti everything to do with Kilkenny. I do think the media have been a bit critical of Kilkenny but that is just my opinion! Every great team has to play on the edge and Thank God Tipp have copped on to this and they gave the cats as good as they got.
name the last hurling manager to abuse the ref and get off. Try specifics eddie instead of generalities
He cant have it both ways. Im surprised it bothers him so much
You would miss GalteeMountainBoy. Tipp in an all-Ireland final and everything.
Davy Fitz got in trouble for it with LIT, Your very own Tommy Carr nearly decked a ref
Quote from: EddieMerx on September 09, 2009, 09:40:33 PM
Davy Fitz got in trouble for it with LIT, Your very own Tommy Carr nearly decked a ref
Yeah and they got suspended. sure Davy Fitz got 3 months. Carr was sacked so his suspension meant nothing.
I cna guarantee you if it was the dublin hurlign manager he would have got 6 months.
Wonder will he mention it in his book?
Quote from: seafoid on September 09, 2009, 09:17:07 PM
You would miss GalteeMountainBoy. Tipp in an all-Ireland final and everything.
and hoh. and colombia. Them are lads you could talk hurling to.
Ni Bheidh a leitheid aris :(
Quote from: INDIANA on September 09, 2009, 08:21:58 PM
name the last hurling manager to abuse the ref and get off. Try specifics eddie instead of generalities
He cant have it both ways. Im surprised it bothers him so much
Liam Sheedy ran onto the pitch at half time last Sunday to confront the referee what he said I have no idea but I could guess it wasnt well played ref
Quote from: EddieMerx on September 09, 2009, 09:40:33 PM
Davy Fitz got in trouble for it with LIT, Your very own Tommy Carr nearly decked a ref
Davy Fitz got in trouble for making comments about Pat Horan in a post-match interview did he not?
As far as I recall there was no confrontation as such and it was only made a big deal of because it was Davy Fitz and a certain media element had it in for him.
It was certainly no JJ Barrett moment.
where can i get a copy of this years hurling final? is it in the shops yet? if so where