The DUP thread

[DaleCooper]

Peter Robinson showing up to Maghaberry Tom Hagen style...

[AustinPowers]

I was surprised at the speedy DUP announcement after the guilty verdict. It was  as if they were pre-empting any  potential questions about: were you aware of any rumours/allegations over the years? Oh no,  not a thing

Also, it's a case of  distancing themselves from Jeffrey . Hes  a wrong un, we're all good living Christian folk. Circle the wagons,  thinking ahead to the next election and hanging onto their seats  and big paycheque. Ultimately, that's what it's all about

I would find it very hard to believe nobody around the  DUP didn't hear any Jeffrey  rumours over the years

There was a certain level of hypocrisy in the DUP statement from Robinson too, he said something around the lines of nobody being above the law, no matter how long ago things happened.
British forces? Legacy anyone?

True. The same Robinson who  put up a paratroopers flag on X, minutes  after the  Soldier F verdict.

[tiempo]

Wonder if he'll get much spam on the oul email a prisoner account, might send him a rake of match reports from the quarter finals on Monday

[Main Street]

We only got a snippet of the evidence, dont think we need to know all the details

I am not interested in lurid details but considering what was allowed to be reported re Jeffrey, in comparison there was next to zero evidence reported that is convincing about Lady Dee's guilt.

[Baile Brigín 2]

Jim Allister is showing his true colours here and did on Tweed. He's an odious odious man. NI Protocol needs redone he says. Horrendous human being.

He is, but like it or not there is a conversation to be had about whether or not he was compromised.

Is there?
I would imagine if he was compromised he'd have blown that wide open to save himself during the case.
I think it's another case of Jim trying to put the cat among the pigeons without actually having proof of anything.

What would he say? M15/J2 made me vote for the protocol because they knew, but it came out anyway? Still goes to jail but is officially a rat too.

[playwiththewind1st]

What can happen to the wife?

She will just have to apply to the governor for conjugal visiting rights, just like anybody else.

[p3427977]

We only got a snippet of the evidence, dont think we need to know all the details

I am not interested in lurid details but considering what was allowed to be reported re Jeffrey, in comparison there was next to zero evidence reported that is convincing about Lady Dee's guilt.

You don't need to be convinced. It's the jury who needs to be convinced.

[Milltown Row2]

Jim was put in his box this morning when interviewed on radio Ulster. He was waffling on about Jeff being scapegoated for the protocol, she asked have you evidence of this, he said no but along the lines of how mi5 work and so on, Oh the irony, then she said are you saying the women raped were used as pawns in this? Backtracked again

I can't see how he could have been given an ultimatum by his 'handlers' to curry favour as this shit was way past being kept under wraps but if he did he was foolish for taking the bait.

His ego probably more to blame on doing a deal with the protocol

[marty34]

I wonder will anybody else come forward now in the light of this case?

Surely the UUP/DUP/OO knew about this years ago? Peoole around him must have knew if they went to the meeting in Armoy etc.

But what a downfall for him. Great bravery by the victims.

[playwiththewind1st]

I wonder will anybody else come forward now in the light of this case?

Surely the UUP/DUP/OO knew about this years ago? Peoole around him must have knew if they went to the meeting in Armoy etc.

But what a downfall for him. Great bravery by the victims.

The UDR let him in; yet another failure of military vetting, but no big surprise, given that they took anybody in who professed an anti Catholic outlook.

[GTP]

Why is anyone taking the JMcA protocol conspiracy seriously? You could apply the same MI5 made them do it bullshit to every decision made.
The story should be how an MP is distastefully trying to use the case to further his political agenda.

[AustinPowers]

I wonder will anybody else come forward now in the light of this case?

Surely the UUP/DUP/OO knew about this years ago? Peoole around him must have knew if they went to the meeting in Armoy etc.

But what a downfall for him. Great bravery by the victims.

I'd say there's  all sorts of shite  going on in those mad Christian churches. Make people think they're good living people , when they're   all a shower  of crooks, pervs and  gangsters

[brokencrossbar1]

Given the overall dogs dinner that is the Presbyterian Church at the minute it's clear that organised religion is under serious pressure. The whole accountability and monitoring in these organisations really needs an overhaul.

[David McKeown]

I see the Bel Tel were reporting yesterday that it was a majority verdict whilst others have reported it was unanimous. Not that it matters much but I find that interesting

What does the majority need to be for a guilty verdict? Is 7-5 good enough?

No 10-2 or 11-1 is the only acceptable majority decision and only then after at least 2 hours is spent trying to secure a unanimous verdict.

Things change if you lose jurors but it must always be a minimum of 9 jurors.

[David McKeown]

What can happen to the wife?

4 options now open to the court.

1. Public Protection Order (without restrictions);
2. Public Protection Order with Restrictions;
3. Supervision and Assessment Order;
4. Absolute Discharge. 

A discharge is highly unlikely in this case.

A public protection order is basically an order requiring an individual to be detained in hospital for treatment.

The with restrictions part sets out what level of restrictions can be placed on the individual and who ultimately has the power to order a discharge.

A supervision and assessment order doesn't require a person to be detained but does place some restrictions on liberty such as requirements to report to specific services or undergo specific treatments.