Derry Club Football & Hurling original

[GTP]

I would have thought that the Derry job would be one of the most appealing in Ireland strange that o Rourke didn't seem interested or wasn't approached given he would have worked with the best players in Derry.

He always works with Porter who is a tyrone man and wanted to wait for the tyrone job. Simple as that. I'm just surprised tyrone have gone for a fermanagh man. They're now trying to claim he's really tyrone because he lives there but that's garbage, Roy keane has lived in england for years but he's not english.

Someone seems annoyed that they didnt get RG or Malachy. Malachy played for a tyrone club team so makes him more of a tyrone man than most.

Derry obviously have no issues with outside managers as they are willing to appoint anyone no matter what allegations are put to them or who they have previously managed.

Derry could be used as a case study on how to balls up a talented bunch of players with ridiculous management changes.

Where MOR is from has no impact on his managerial credentials but playing for a Tyrone club doesn't make you a Tyrone man. Living in Tyrone and playing for a club over a number of years may give you an affinity for Tyrone GAA but I can't see how it would make anyone "more of a Tyrone man than most".

Yes, Derry have appointed outside managers, but they have not appointed anyone "no matter what allegations are put to them". And the person to whom I am assuming you are referring left the post when the allegations were made public. You can have an opinion on how this was handled but I don't believe your statement is correct.

Not sure what your case study on Derry would show – maybe that Eamon Coleman shouldn't have been removed from the post so soon after an All-Ireland win? And that when left with an unexpected vacancy they appointed the historically most successful management and coaching team that was available in Mickey Harte and Gavin Devlin. Apart from winning the National League it didn't work out as hoped and any mistake in the appointment has now been corrected at the earliest opportunity with their departure.

Maybe we could look at Tyrone as a case study in how to balls up a talented bunch of players by not making a management change as this seems to be a frequent theme on the Tyrone discussion board.

[tyrone08]

I would have thought that the Derry job would be one of the most appealing in Ireland strange that o Rourke didn't seem interested or wasn't approached given he would have worked with the best players in Derry.

He always works with Porter who is a tyrone man and wanted to wait for the tyrone job. Simple as that. I'm just surprised tyrone have gone for a fermanagh man. They're now trying to claim he's really tyrone because he lives there but that's garbage, Roy keane has lived in england for years but he's not english.

Someone seems annoyed that they didnt get RG or Malachy. Malachy played for a tyrone club team so makes him more of a tyrone man than most.

Derry obviously have no issues with outside managers as they are willing to appoint anyone no matter what allegations are put to them or who they have previously managed.

Derry could be used as a case study on how to balls up a talented bunch of players with ridiculous management changes.

Where MOR is from has no impact on his managerial credentials but playing for a Tyrone club doesn't make you a Tyrone man. Living in Tyrone and playing for a club over a number of years may give you an affinity for Tyrone GAA but I can't see how it would make anyone "more of a Tyrone man than most".

Yes, Derry have appointed outside managers, but they have not appointed anyone "no matter what allegations are put to them". And the person to whom I am assuming you are referring left the post when the allegations were made public. You can have an opinion on how this was handled but I don't believe your statement is correct.

Not sure what your case study on Derry would show – maybe that Eamon Coleman shouldn't have been removed from the post so soon after an All-Ireland win? And that when left with an unexpected vacancy they appointed the historically most successful management and coaching team that was available in Mickey Harte and Gavin Devlin. Apart from winning the National League it didn't work out as hoped and any mistake in the appointment has now been corrected at the earliest opportunity with their departure.

Maybe we could look at Tyrone as a case study in how to balls up a talented bunch of players by not making a management change as this seems to be a frequent theme on the Tyrone discussion board.

If someone lives in a county, played football for a club in the county and managed a club in the county it makes them far more aligned to the county than a random outside manager. Not sure how you cant see this.

You appointed a rival manager who had not beaten a top 3 team in over 10 years and who was already signed up with another team. The only prize derry wanted was an AI so you stole a manager who hadnt won it in 15 years and who clearly was not capable of winning it again.

Everyone knew the appointment would not work out, listening to niall morgan podcast yesterday showed the tyrone team couldnt wait to get rid of him.

The balls up you made was putting mickey and horse in place then trying to get rg back again without doing a clean break with a new manager without baggage. Now you and sitting 2 months later without anyoe

In the last 3 years derry has had 3 managers and are now looking for a 4th. Tyrone were slow to make a change to management previously but derry are going through them like sweets.

[GTP]

If someone lives in a county, played football for a club in the county and managed a club in the county it makes them far more aligned to the county than a random outside manager. Not sure how you cant see this.

You appointed a rival manager who had not beaten a top 3 team in over 10 years and who was already signed up with another team. The only prize derry wanted was an AI so you stole a manager who hadnt won it in 15 years and who clearly was not capable of winning it again.

Everyone knew the appointment would not work out, listening to niall morgan podcast yesterday showed the tyrone team couldnt wait to get rid of him.

The balls up you made was putting mickey and horse in place then trying to get rg back again without doing a clean break with a new manager without baggage. Now you and sitting 2 months later without anyoe

In the last 3 years derry has had 3 managers and are now looking for a 4th. Tyrone were slow to make a change to management previously but derry are going through them like sweets.

I don't dispute that he may be more aligned to the county or have an affinity for it, as I have said, but and it is only an opinion. It does not make him more of a Tyrone man than most.

Harte was appointed as the best person available at that time, we won a national title, enjoyed things for 3 or 4 months then the wheels came off - I doubt this was because our manager was from a rival county.

Other than speculation do you have any knowledge that Derry tried to get rg back again?

I would hope that even in their Division 4 year Derry wanted the AI.
Would appointing MOR as Tyrone manager be stealing him from a club side or is it only county that counts?

[WT4E]

Banty going to get the Derry job and said he will bring his own coach with him 

[sensethetone]

Banty going to get the Derry job and said he will bring his own coach with him 

Does mean Chambers are gone too?

[tyrone08]

If someone lives in a county, played football for a club in the county and managed a club in the county it makes them far more aligned to the county than a random outside manager. Not sure how you cant see this.

You appointed a rival manager who had not beaten a top 3 team in over 10 years and who was already signed up with another team. The only prize derry wanted was an AI so you stole a manager who hadnt won it in 15 years and who clearly was not capable of winning it again.

Everyone knew the appointment would not work out, listening to niall morgan podcast yesterday showed the tyrone team couldnt wait to get rid of him.

The balls up you made was putting mickey and horse in place then trying to get rg back again without doing a clean break with a new manager without baggage. Now you and sitting 2 months later without anyoe

In the last 3 years derry has had 3 managers and are now looking for a 4th. Tyrone were slow to make a change to management previously but derry are going through them like sweets.

I don't dispute that he may be more aligned to the county or have an affinity for it, as I have said, but and it is only an opinion. It does not make him more of a Tyrone man than most.

Harte was appointed as the best person available at that time, we won a national title, enjoyed things for 3 or 4 months then the wheels came off - I doubt this was because our manager was from a rival county.

Other than speculation do you have any knowledge that Derry tried to get rg back again?

I would hope that even in their Division 4 year Derry wanted the AI.
Would appointing MOR as Tyrone manager be stealing him from a club side or is it only county that counts?

If he committed this year to glen and then goes to tyrone then yes it is. Simple

[JoG2]

If someone lives in a county, played football for a club in the county and managed a club in the county it makes them far more aligned to the county than a random outside manager. Not sure how you cant see this.

You appointed a rival manager who had not beaten a top 3 team in over 10 years and who was already signed up with another team. The only prize derry wanted was an AI so you stole a manager who hadnt won it in 15 years and who clearly was not capable of winning it again.

Everyone knew the appointment would not work out, listening to niall morgan podcast yesterday showed the tyrone team couldnt wait to get rid of him.

The balls up you made was putting mickey and horse in place then trying to get rg back again without doing a clean break with a new manager without baggage. Now you and sitting 2 months later without anyoe

In the last 3 years derry has had 3 managers and are now looking for a 4th. Tyrone were slow to make a change to management previously but derry are going through them like sweets.

I don't dispute that he may be more aligned to the county or have an affinity for it, as I have said, but and it is only an opinion. It does not make him more of a Tyrone man than most.

Harte was appointed as the best person available at that time, we won a national title, enjoyed things for 3 or 4 months then the wheels came off - I doubt this was because our manager was from a rival county.

Other than speculation do you have any knowledge that Derry tried to get rg back again?

I would hope that even in their Division 4 year Derry wanted the AI.
Would appointing MOR as Tyrone manager be stealing him from a club side or is it only county that counts?

If he committed this year to glen and then goes to tyrone then yes it is. Simple

Must....spend....half....my....day...in....the.....Derry.....forum....

[lenny]

I would have thought that the Derry job would be one of the most appealing in Ireland strange that o Rourke didn't seem interested or wasn't approached given he would have worked with the best players in Derry.

He always works with Porter who is a tyrone man and wanted to wait for the tyrone job. Simple as that. I'm just surprised tyrone have gone for a fermanagh man. They're now trying to claim he's really tyrone because he lives there but that's garbage, Roy keane has lived in england for years but he's not english.

Someone seems annoyed that they didnt get RG or Malachy. Malachy played for a tyrone club team so makes him more of a tyrone man than most.

Derry obviously have no issues with outside managers as they are willing to appoint anyone no matter what allegations are put to them or who they have previously managed.

Derry could be used as a case study on how to balls up a talented bunch of players with ridiculous management changes.

Where MOR is from has no impact on his managerial credentials but playing for a Tyrone club doesn't make you a Tyrone man. Living in Tyrone and playing for a club over a number of years may give you an affinity for Tyrone GAA but I can't see how it would make anyone "more of a Tyrone man than most".

Yes, Derry have appointed outside managers, but they have not appointed anyone "no matter what allegations are put to them". And the person to whom I am assuming you are referring left the post when the allegations were made public. You can have an opinion on how this was handled but I don't believe your statement is correct.

Not sure what your case study on Derry would show – maybe that Eamon Coleman shouldn't have been removed from the post so soon after an All-Ireland win? And that when left with an unexpected vacancy they appointed the historically most successful management and coaching team that was available in Mickey Harte and Gavin Devlin. Apart from winning the National League it didn't work out as hoped and any mistake in the appointment has now been corrected at the earliest opportunity with their departure.

Maybe we could look at Tyrone as a case study in how to balls up a talented bunch of players by not making a management change as this seems to be a frequent theme on the Tyrone discussion board.

If someone lives in a county, played football for a club in the county and managed a club in the county it makes them far more aligned to the county than a random outside manager. Not sure how you cant see this.

You appointed a rival manager who had not beaten a top 3 team in over 10 years and who was already signed up with another team. The only prize derry wanted was an AI so you stole a manager who hadnt won it in 15 years and who clearly was not capable of winning it again.

Everyone knew the appointment would not work out, listening to niall morgan podcast yesterday showed the tyrone team couldnt wait to get rid of him.

The balls up you made was putting mickey and horse in place then trying to get rg back again without doing a clean break with a new manager without baggage. Now you and sitting 2 months later without anyoe

In the last 3 years derry has had 3 managers and are now looking for a 4th. Tyrone were slow to make a change to management previously but derry are going through them like sweets.

That's like saying Roy Keane is somehow aligned to England because he's lived there for years, played for teams there for years and managed teams there. He's Irish and he'll always be Irish, it doesn't matter how long he stays in England. Tyrone posters are extremely defensive about this issue because they've always been proud of not going outside the county. I'd say most people in Derry would love to have got MOR so tyrone ones can boast about that, but let's not try and pretend that he's gone there for anything other than the big cheque he's getting. And don't let tyrone ones away with that nonsense any more about not paying for outside managers.

[tyrone08]

I would have thought that the Derry job would be one of the most appealing in Ireland strange that o Rourke didn't seem interested or wasn't approached given he would have worked with the best players in Derry.

He always works with Porter who is a tyrone man and wanted to wait for the tyrone job. Simple as that. I'm just surprised tyrone have gone for a fermanagh man. They're now trying to claim he's really tyrone because he lives there but that's garbage, Roy keane has lived in england for years but he's not english.

Someone seems annoyed that they didnt get RG or Malachy. Malachy played for a tyrone club team so makes him more of a tyrone man than most.

Derry obviously have no issues with outside managers as they are willing to appoint anyone no matter what allegations are put to them or who they have previously managed.

Derry could be used as a case study on how to balls up a talented bunch of players with ridiculous management changes.

Where MOR is from has no impact on his managerial credentials but playing for a Tyrone club doesn't make you a Tyrone man. Living in Tyrone and playing for a club over a number of years may give you an affinity for Tyrone GAA but I can't see how it would make anyone "more of a Tyrone man than most".

Yes, Derry have appointed outside managers, but they have not appointed anyone "no matter what allegations are put to them". And the person to whom I am assuming you are referring left the post when the allegations were made public. You can have an opinion on how this was handled but I don't believe your statement is correct.

Not sure what your case study on Derry would show – maybe that Eamon Coleman shouldn't have been removed from the post so soon after an All-Ireland win? And that when left with an unexpected vacancy they appointed the historically most successful management and coaching team that was available in Mickey Harte and Gavin Devlin. Apart from winning the National League it didn't work out as hoped and any mistake in the appointment has now been corrected at the earliest opportunity with their departure.

Maybe we could look at Tyrone as a case study in how to balls up a talented bunch of players by not making a management change as this seems to be a frequent theme on the Tyrone discussion board.

If someone lives in a county, played football for a club in the county and managed a club in the county it makes them far more aligned to the county than a random outside manager. Not sure how you cant see this.

You appointed a rival manager who had not beaten a top 3 team in over 10 years and who was already signed up with another team. The only prize derry wanted was an AI so you stole a manager who hadnt won it in 15 years and who clearly was not capable of winning it again.

Everyone knew the appointment would not work out, listening to niall morgan podcast yesterday showed the tyrone team couldnt wait to get rid of him.

The balls up you made was putting mickey and horse in place then trying to get rg back again without doing a clean break with a new manager without baggage. Now you and sitting 2 months later without anyoe

In the last 3 years derry has had 3 managers and are now looking for a 4th. Tyrone were slow to make a change to management previously but derry are going through them like sweets.

That's like saying Roy Keane is somehow aligned to England because he's lived there for years, played for teams there for years and managed teams there. He's Irish and he'll always be Irish, it doesn't matter how long he stays in England. Tyrone posters are extremely defensive about this issue because they've always been proud of not going outside the county. I'd say most people in Derry would love to have got MOR so tyrone ones can boast about that, but let's not try and pretend that he's gone there for anything other than the big cheque he's getting. And don't let tyrone ones away with that nonsense any more about not paying for outside managers.

No one is saying he is from tyrone but its hardly like we went out and got a rival manager like Jim Gavin coming in. At least we went outside to someone with connections to the county unlike other teams who appoint direct rival coaches with no connections or loyalty apart from money.

I have no problem going outside the county or paying managers. I am sure orouke is getting paid well. Hopefully we dont pay him a fortune and get rid of him after 1 year.

[square_ball]

Never mind the Derry manager who would Glen have lined up as their next manager? Talk about big boots to fill.

[quit yo jibbajabba]

Was it the strutting or ball rubbing that annoyed you more ref

[JoG2]

Was it the strutting or ball rubbing that annoyed you more ref

The mere fact he was in Dungannon tipped the scales

[LoughNeagh]

Never mind the Derry manager who would Glen have lined up as their next manager? Talk about big boots to fill.

Chrissy

[Wildweasel74]

Glen given how strong the team is, should have no problem  getting a good manager, but not sure if they get one at the tail end of this season,

[p3427977]

Was it the strutting or ball rubbing that annoyed you more ref

both lol,hearing an ex kerry manager lined up to take over from MH and GD

I've heard both Peter Keane and James Horan from people today.