NFL Division 1 2024

[GTP]

Some counties main objective is staying up in Division 1 and anything else is a bonus. Kerry and Derry bringing back the Clifford brothers and Glen players back so soon is a clear message that their objective is to win the league title and then carry that form into the championship.

Harte has joined up with Derry to win the All-Ireland title and IMO they'll likely have a better chance of achieving that feat in 2025 should Glen get an early exit from the Derry or Ulster this autumn/winter.

Could Derry and Kerry's ojective in bringing the players back early be to gain enough points to stay up and rest them towards the end of the league?
And presuming that both counties ultimate objective is to win an All Ireland in 2024 why would they bring the players back so soon if they believed it would lessen the chances of this happening?

[shawshank]

Derry and Kerry are not like for like. Harte had to put his best foot forward, due to the nature of defection. A new man in, winning and everyone is on a crest. Kerry third year with Jack, won the league and championship in year one. Getting back to that format after an average year last season. Good leagues generally means your in the final shake up in the championship

[seafoid]

If Dublin get on a bit of a run by beating Kerry this weekend, we could see the Div 2 final last year having the same teams as the Div 1 final this year.

And the same two in the 2024 All-Ireland Final isn't out of the question either.

Dublin look like a team just happy enough to stay up and if they get within a point or two of Kerry this weekend they'll expect to beat them come championship time.

Kerry, Derry are two above others aiming to reach the league final. Will be interesting to see what shape Derry are in come the business end of the championship, All-Ireland winning manager on board however the mileage in legs of the Glen players are sure to show by then.

David Clifford was burnt out by the time of last year's all Ireland final.

[Mario]

If Dublin get on a bit of a run by beating Kerry this weekend, we could see the Div 2 final last year having the same teams as the Div 1 final this year.

And the same two in the 2024 All-Ireland Final isn't out of the question either.

Dublin look like a team just happy enough to stay up and if they get within a point or two of Kerry this weekend they'll expect to beat them come championship time.

Kerry, Derry are two above others aiming to reach the league final. Will be interesting to see what shape Derry are in come the business end of the championship, All-Ireland winning manager on board however the mileage in legs of the Glen players are sure to show by then.

David Clifford was burnt out by the time of last year's all Ireland final.

Ha no he wasn't he just hit a few wides. I wish he'd burnt out 2 weeks earlier.

[seafoid]

Mayo 2023 are another warning sign for Derry.So are Galway 2023.  Journalists will always focus on the now and both teams got loads of attention in the run up to May, just like Derry now , but neither county was there at the business end.  Both counties have learnt their lesson .
Fans love winning but the All Ireland now is about pace, patience and avoiding injuries. Nobody was talking about Dublin this time last year.

[Mario]

Mayo 2023 are another warning sign for Derry.So are Galway 2023.  Journalists will always focus on the now and both teams got loads of attention in the run up to May, just like Derry now , but neither county was there at the business end.  Both counties have learnt their lesson .
Fans love winning but the All Ireland now is about pace, patience and avoiding injuries. Nobody was talking about Dublin this time last year.

What about 2022?

[Blowitupref]

Glen got to an AI final last year too, Derry got to a league final, won a tough ulster champ, were still playing in July and lost the AI semi because they missed too many chances. It's more likely than not Derry won't win the AI, and there will be a queue of people lining up to blame their league form but it will have nothing to do with it. Players are capable of playing once a week in 3 week blocks. Sports science is there to manage training loads.

Not sure I'd blame it on Glens club runs or a league final (Div 2 is less intense than Div 1 football) but it was clear Derry had a big dip in their 2nd half performance against Kerry in the All Ireland semi final. Now it might simply have been that they used up a lot of their energy with a impressive 1st half leading by three and scoring 1-11. 2nd half scores wasn't coming as easy and were making mistakes at both ends of the field that they weren't first half something that happens with tired minds and bodies.

[imtommygunn]

Mayo 2023 are another warning sign for Derry.So are Galway 2023.  Journalists will always focus on the now and both teams got loads of attention in the run up to May, just like Derry now , but neither county was there at the business end.  Both counties have learnt their lesson .
Fans love winning but the All Ireland now is about pace, patience and avoiding injuries. Nobody was talking about Dublin this time last year.

What lesson have Galway learned? How have they shown to have learned from it?

[seafoid]

Mayo 2023 are another warning sign for Derry.So are Galway 2023.  Journalists will always focus on the now and both teams got loads of attention in the run up to May, just like Derry now , but neither county was there at the business end.  Both counties have learnt their lesson .
Fans love winning but the All Ireland now is about pace, patience and avoiding injuries. Nobody was talking about Dublin this time last year.

What lesson have Galway learned? How have they shown to have learned from it?

They have been trying out other players in order to broaden the panel.The stars have not played in the first 3 matches.They aren't interested in the league final. I think that is significant. the all Ireland now starts in January.  It's more like the EPL now. Arsenal had basically the same team last season and they were gassed  with a month or so to go.

[Wildweasel74]

Away to Galway this weekend but can't see a win, our record against Galway is terrible, even when they had a bad team.Derry focus on winning their last 2 home games. Dublin may be tough if they need the points.

[yellowcard]

Mayo 2023 are another warning sign for Derry.So are Galway 2023.  Journalists will always focus on the now and both teams got loads of attention in the run up to May, just like Derry now , but neither county was there at the business end.  Both counties have learnt their lesson .
Fans love winning but the All Ireland now is about pace, patience and avoiding injuries. Nobody was talking about Dublin this time last year.

You've picked out a sample size of one year with Mayo 2023. Kerry won both League and Championship in 2022. The Dubs won the League most seasons they won Sam during their decade of dominance and you only had to listen to their players when interviewed to see how meticulously they prepared for every match. You can't turn form on and off like a tap.

Derry might not win the All Ireland (and I'd have them a bit behind Dublin and Kerry anyway) but they are simply trying to win the match ahead of them which is all you can do. 

[Blowitupref]

Mayo 2023 are another warning sign for Derry.So are Galway 2023.  Journalists will always focus on the now and both teams got loads of attention in the run up to May, just like Derry now , but neither county was there at the business end.  Both counties have learnt their lesson .
Fans love winning but the All Ireland now is about pace, patience and avoiding injuries. Nobody was talking about Dublin this time last year.

What lesson have Galway learned? How have they shown to have learned from it?

They have been trying out other players in order to broaden the panel.The stars have not played in the first 3 matches.They aren't interested in the league final. I think that is significant. the all Ireland now starts in January.  It's more like the EPL now. Arsenal had basically the same team last season and they were gassed  with a month or so to go.

Saying that like Galway don't have a number of first choice players out injured? No option but to try out other players then.

[JoG2]

Mayo 2023 are another warning sign for Derry.So are Galway 2023.  Journalists will always focus on the now and both teams got loads of attention in the run up to May, just like Derry now , but neither county was there at the business end.  Both counties have learnt their lesson .
Fans love winning but the All Ireland now is about pace, patience and avoiding injuries. Nobody was talking about Dublin this time last year.

What lesson have Galway learned? How have they shown to have learned from it?

They have been trying out other players in order to broaden the panel.The stars have not played in the first 3 matches.They aren't interested in the league final. I think that is significant. the all Ireland now starts in January.  It's more like the EPL now. Arsenal had basically the same team last season and they were gassed  with a month or so to go.

This is exactly what Derry are doing. Why haven't the stars played in the first 3 league games? Walsh played the 1st game, I assumed they are injured rather than a choice?

Away to Galway this weekend but can't see a win, our record against Galway is terrible, even when they had a bad team.Derry focus on winning their last 2 home games. Dublin may be tough if they need the points.

What has our record against Galway got to do with this present Derry team in form and a Galway team missing key players and not in great form?

[imtommygunn]

Mayo 2023 are another warning sign for Derry.So are Galway 2023.  Journalists will always focus on the now and both teams got loads of attention in the run up to May, just like Derry now , but neither county was there at the business end.  Both counties have learnt their lesson .
Fans love winning but the All Ireland now is about pace, patience and avoiding injuries. Nobody was talking about Dublin this time last year.

What lesson have Galway learned? How have they shown to have learned from it?

They have been trying out other players in order to broaden the panel.The stars have not played in the first 3 matches.They aren't interested in the league final. I think that is significant. the all Ireland now starts in January.  It's more like the EPL now. Arsenal had basically the same team last season and they were gassed  with a month or so to go.

They have a load of players unavailable. That's not a lesson that's a forced hand.

[Derryman forever]

Mayo 2023 are another warning sign for Derry.So are Galway 2023.  Journalists will always focus on the now and both teams got loads of attention in the run up to May, just like Derry now , but neither county was there at the business end.  Both counties have learnt their lesson .
Fans love winning but the All Ireland now is about pace, patience and avoiding injuries. Nobody was talking about Dublin this time last year.

What lesson have Galway learned? How have they shown to have learned from it?

They have been trying out other players in order to broaden the panel.The stars have not played in the first 3 matches.They aren't interested in the league final. I think that is significant. the all Ireland now starts in January.  It's more like the EPL now. Arsenal had basically the same team last season and they were gassed  with a month or so to go.

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