Drugs in UK sports....

[gallsman]

Walsh's article in the Sunday Times yesterday was particularly scathing & well worth a read (as was last week's). I've always felt I'm missing something where DW is concerned, the Irish cycling twitterati seem to hate him more than Armstrong. I've always felt he has maintained his independence even when ensconced with Sky.

That would be the bit where they disagree with you.

[imtommygunn]

brailsford being interviewed later on bbc apparently with regard to team sky tue stance. could be interesting.

I would expect he will be a bit slicker than wiggins in dealing with questions.

[imtommygunn]

brailsford being interviewed later on bbc apparently with regard to team sky tue stance. could be interesting.

I would expect he will be a bit slicker than wiggins in dealing with questions.

Expect a smooth PR version of "We didn't break any rules"

I would expect nothing else. Strikes me as slippery that guy. The other thing is his role in "team GB". I wonder will they ask him on that.

[bennydorano]

He's just been on Sky Sports  News, the reporter was fairly good to be fair to him, much superior questioning to Andrew Marr yesterday who clearly didn't know the subject matter. Smooth as expected from Brailsford but the genie can't go back in the bottle imo. Still Legally fine but ethically wrong.

[gallsman]

Don't think anyone is disputing that the rules were abided by, same with Serena. It's the manipulation of those rules to gain an advantage that is unacceptable.

[Hound]

Walsh was just on Newstalk.

Said Wiggins TdF victory is now tainted.

While it might have been legally ok, it was certainly not ethically ok.

He refused to say anything negative about Kimmage when they quoted some of the stuff he said about Walsh yesterday. 

[gallsman]

As expected other than to say that everything they did was within the rules Brailsford didn't really provide clarity around some of the questions.  He did waver slightly when admitting that the use of TUEs was a grey area rather than whiter than white and also saying that the "didn't know" whether the injection, while treating a medical condition, was also performance enhancing (which it looks like it was). I think the facts show that Wiggins/Sky did not break any rules but on the moral/ethical issue, the facts also show that Sky (just like ever other team) pushed the legality of TUEs to their absolute limit and therefore the zero tolerance policy was a load of ballix.

What I'd like to see them chased on is whether there was any deception involved in obtaining the TUE. Several doctors have come out and stated that the prescription was ludicrous, so I'd like to see details on who the specialist and three independent parties it was referred to were. If medical personnel were either misled about the extent of his allergies (the timing of the injections before Grand Tours is certainly suspect) or were complicit in a wider push to test out grey areas (so much for Sky's whiter than white claims), then have the rules really been adhered to?

[macdanger2]

It would be very interesting to know what % of TUEs are rejected. I'd guess not many....

[Tony Baloney]

Brailsford has talked many times about marginal gains and the importance of that extra 1% so it is not surprising that he pushed TUEs right to the wire. I'm sure the focus will change to Team GB at some point.

[Asal Mor]

Walsh was just on Newstalk.

Said Wiggins TdF victory is now tainted.

While it might have been legally ok, it was certainly not ethically ok.

He refused to say anything negative about Kimmage when they quoted some of the stuff he said about Walsh yesterday.

Walsh's credibility is shot imo. I naively defended his stance on Sky before this all came out, but the more you read and hear about these TUEs Wiggins had, the lengths that Sky went to portray themselves as the champions of clean cycling and the massive hypocrisy of doing all this on the sly(and you'd have to call it a cover-up not to disclose something so glaringly obviously performance enhancing) at the same time, I find it impossible to come to any conclusion other than Wiggins is a cheat, Sky are cheats and Brailsford is a glorified conman.

Walsh saying in his latest article that "Brailsford created a magnificent team that mostly played by the rules but at a critical moment played fast and loose with etihcs", is pathetic, and Kimmage is right that Walsh has applied totally different standards to Wiggins and Sky than the ones he applied to Lance. Walsh sold his journalistic soul to Team Sky and The Sunday Times, and fair play to Kimmage for calling him on it.

[Asal Mor]

Walsh's article in the Sunday Times yesterday was particularly scathing & well worth a read (as was last week's). I've always felt I'm missing something where DW is concerned, the Irish cycling twitterati seem to hate him more than Armstrong. I've always felt he has maintained his independence even when ensconced with Sky.

I didn't think it was. I thought he went far too easy on them. He should have said that Sky had duped him and they were a sham.

[Dinny Breen]

Has the horse already bolted Wiggo??

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/sep/30/bradley-wiggins-full-story-asthma-allergies-tues

Yep not going down well on Twitter, seems to be digging a bigger hole.

[Gabriel_Hurl]

Does the Tyson Fury story go here or the boxing thread?

[yellowcard]

More info coming out on Sky and British cycling this evening. Is the house of cards going to come down? Also talk of positive tests for steroids for Carter, Rokocoko and Imhoff after last season's super 14 rugby final.

[muppet]

More info coming out on Sky and British cycling this evening. Is the house of cards going to come down? Also talk of positive tests for steroids for Carter, Rokocoko and Imhoff after last season's super 14 rugby final.

Wiggins and co seem to story's that are not quite straight.

Same with Carter. No TUE and now yes a TUE.