The Many Faces of US Politics...

[macdanger2]

Be well and keep safe everyone

Not if the liberals have their way. Turkeys voting for christmas holidays
They don't care about putting future generations in peril as long as they feel smug about their humanitarian efforts.

No doubt you have statistics and data to back that up?

I will take no pleasure in years to come saying I told you so.

That's a no then.

But look, leaving aside the smart ass stuff, I've no problem with these refugees being put through a rigorous screening process. I don't see how anyone can, especially after what happened with the lads who returned to Belgium from Syria and carried out the Paris attacks and so on. But that screening is already happening. Its not like Trump hit the transition or even the intelligence briefings last summer and said that the system was a mess. He's been on about this for 18 months, purely as a way to raise support for his campaign.

The biggest threats to US citizens, by far, as from other US citizens, and even among those, muslim terrorism is an extremely small threat.

But mass shootings and even lone shootings are simply accepted as a fact of life, a background contributer to everyday life and death in the US. The risk to the average person from muslim terrorism in the US is way, way overblown compared to what the real threats are.

People just don't have any understanding of the concept of risk.

I think I read twice as many Americans are killed by lightening strikes, the risk is minuscule.

Spot on. The threat of terrorism globally is vastly overestimated, it's all about creating an enemy

[No wides]

What is wrong with looking after your own. How many here would take a refugee or a stranger into their home. Hypocrite s the lot. Discussion board warrior's Hardy and J70 two biggest shit talkers.

And as usual all you can do is throw insults around instead of addressing actual points.

Carry on.

You are unreal read back kid you are the mastet of personal insults. So would you take a refugee into your home,

Yeah, but I address the arguments first and foremost. You do only the insults.

As for personally taking someone into my home, I'm not in a position to take anyone into my home. But I'm perfectly happy to support politicians who want to help and pay extra taxes/make charitable contributions to support government programmes and NGOs, you know, professional outfits that are actually trained and equipped to deal with this stuff. The idea that its either personally take people into your own home or shut the f**k up is just simplistic, idiotic nonsense meant to shut down debate because you don't want to hear that we should be helping them out.

What training do citizens get to deal with refugees?

[sid waddell]

It is not about terrorism.  Bannon wants to cut immigration for a permanent white majority

Too late for that, you only have to look at the demographics of 3 of the 4 (maybe even all 4) most populated states to see that non-hispanic whites are either no longer a majority or heading that way, or in the case of the largest state, no longer the largest minority.

A Look at the age profile and birth rate by ethnicity to see where the trend is going. It seems to me a lot of whites see children as expensive and annoying and dont have them.

This is the case even if all immigration stops tomorrow.

It will not be a bad thing for the US when whites are a minority.

[sid waddell]

What is wrong with looking after your own. How many here would take a refugee or a stranger into their home. Hypocrite s the lot. Discussion board warrior's Hardy and J70 two biggest shit talkers.

And as usual all you can do is throw insults around instead of addressing actual points.

Carry on.

You are unreal read back kid you are the mastet of personal insults. So would you take a refugee into your home,

Yeah, but I address the arguments first and foremost. You do only the insults.

As for personally taking someone into my home, I'm not in a position to take anyone into my home. But I'm perfectly happy to support politicians who want to help and pay extra taxes/make charitable contributions to support government programmes and NGOs, you know, professional outfits that are actually trained and equipped to deal with this stuff. The idea that its either personally take people into your own home or shut the f**k up is just simplistic, idiotic nonsense meant to shut down debate because you don't want to hear that we should be helping them out.

What training do citizens get to deal with refugees?

One would hope that you will get some sort of training soon. Not specifically to deal with refugees, just to merely deal with people in general. 

[stew]

It is not about terrorism.  Bannon wants to cut immigration for a permanent white majority

Too late for that, you only have to look at the demographics of 3 of the 4 (maybe even all 4) most populated states to see that non-hispanic whites are either no longer a majority or heading that way, or in the case of the largest state, no longer the largest minority.

A Look at the age profile and birth rate by ethnicity to see where the trend is going. It seems to me a lot of whites see children as expensive and annoying and dont have them.

This is the case even if all immigration stops tomorrow.

It will not be a bad thing for the US when whites are a minority.

Racist statement there.

In short, when white people are in the minority we will basically be a one party State liberal state. 

[stew]

Be careful lads the liberals dont like it up them. I have received a warning for posting offensive material this in a board where folk can slander parents of child abuse victims without rebuke. The watsup gang must be colluding.

Really, ffs!

[stew]

I've been surprised, though, ever since the emergence of Trump and his campaign tactics, that, in general, the much maligned mainstream media appears to be avoiding reference to the similarities between the Trump movement and the fascist movements of the 1930s.

It can hardly be that they've failed to notice. I suppose it's editorial judgement. It would be all too easy for the alt-right to scream about hysteria and ridicule any comparisons with Nazism or Italian fascism. How long can it be, though?

This is the poster which hangs at the US Holocaust Museum - given the statement issued by El Presidente on National Holocaust Day this week that failed to mention the Jewish people handy to remind ourselves

Looking at it objectively (if that's possible on this forum), how many of those Fascim traits listed has Trump exhibited since he was elected (and that wasn't exhibited by say Bush II or Clinton)?
We're getting a bit hysterical I think.

1. "America First"
2. "Muslim Ban", "I'd bomb the shit out of them" "torture works"
3. See number 2
4. Three generals in his cabinet - not that unusual - having to get a waiver for one to run Defence and having his NSA as one - yes, unusual
5. Machedo- pussy - his entire married life
6. Not as possible today as in the 30s in modern western democracies - but "cowed" mass media is something he is definitely attempting, constantly attacking MSM
7. See numbers 2, 3, 4
8. Certainly Bannon/Miller are making national security decisions based on a perceived clash between Christianity and Islam - with a whole tablespoon of anti-Semitism thrown in
9. See all his cabinet picks except Kelly and Mattis
10. See his previous career and attempts to keep unions out of Trump Hotels
11. Meryl Streep et al - degrading of scientific research at EPA/NASA etc
12. "American carnage" - "Send in the Feds"
13. See number 9, plus failure to divest himself of family company, sons attending meetings with foreign leaders, son-in-law as advisor etc
14. See everything he said about rigged elections during the campaign - and everything he is saying now re 3-5 million voters - all as preparation for "reforms" - can't wait for them.

If it walks like a duck, Hound.....

800 people murdered in Chicago in 2016.  52 killed already this year

I think "carnage " is a pretty accurate description

Perhaps in Chicago. As you well know, Chicago is a complete outlier to all other major American cities (746 by the way killed, but what is 54 people between friends? Or accuracy?) which have been on a downward decline for the past ten years (before levelling last year) and are still at historic lows.

And even Chicago's current murder rate, which exploded last year, is still below what happened there in the early to mid 90s. Chicago has a peculiar set of circumstances, which seem to be driving the murder rate, but of course focusing on the exception rather than the rule is the surest way of driving fear and ignorance - which helps Trump. So you either know that, and are a cynical pro Trump troll, or you're the idiot at the table.

Take your pick. And keep it up. You know what they say - character is destiny.

Haha...you have no problems with outliers when it suits your cause....ie Californias population

Haha- please quote where I ever made that argument. (Spoiler alert- I never did)

But if I did, I would say the classic liberal argument is that California's population should not be considered an outlier, that it should be considered merely as part of a national collective if the EC was abolished, and if that was the case, a vote in California would be worth exactly the same as a vote anywhere else in the US. Which is exactly the opposite of an outlier.

Guess we settled the argument on whether you are a troll or an idiot.

Go away with that fascism shite, it is annoying, stupid and ignorant of you and the other morons whp [pst it, a lot of those points could have been owned by Clinton you tubes.

[sid waddell]

It is not about terrorism.  Bannon wants to cut immigration for a permanent white majority

Too late for that, you only have to look at the demographics of 3 of the 4 (maybe even all 4) most populated states to see that non-hispanic whites are either no longer a majority or heading that way, or in the case of the largest state, no longer the largest minority.

A Look at the age profile and birth rate by ethnicity to see where the trend is going. It seems to me a lot of whites see children as expensive and annoying and dont have them.

This is the case even if all immigration stops tomorrow.

It will not be a bad thing for the US when whites are a minority.

Racist statement there.

In short, when white people are in the minority we will basically be a one party State liberal state.

Really? 

In what way is it racist, clever clogs?

[heganboy]

No need to resort to insults.  My opinions are just as valid as yours....that's what one does on a discussion board...offer opinions

Nope not true. You are as entitled to your opinion as anyone.

That sure as shit doesn't make it valid.

Fair and balanced means one thing. Offering creationism as a valid counter to evolution is not fair and balanced it means giving the lie as much air time as the truth.

And so here we are. Truth is no longer relevant in political discussion because people think their feelings and opinions are valid. Alternative facts are lies. 

[omochain]

Come on Armagh 

[whitey]

No need to resort to insults.  My opinions are just as valid as yours....that's what one does on a discussion board...offer opinions

Nope not true. You are as entitled to your opinion as anyone.

That sure as shit doesn't make it valid.

Fair and balanced means one thing. Offering creationism as a valid counter to evolution is not fair and balanced it means giving the lie as much air time as the truth.

And so here we are. Truth is no longer relevant in political discussion because people think their feelings and opinions are valid. Alternative facts are lies.

So it's your OPINION that my opinions aren't valid.

[heganboy]

Jaysus Whitey- of all things I'll defend your right to have and to express an opinion to the hilt. Freedom of speech and all that.

Just remember: factually speaking, there's a quare difference between an opinion, and a valid opinion.


you let me know which of your opinions, if any, that you think are valid, and sure then we can discuss them on their merits, not on how emotionally attached you are to them, or how they validate who you are as a person. Actually on their merits, you know with things like Science, and Mathematics and Data, not conjecture or gut feelings or beliefs.

As a pointer before you or if you begin, (and in case Seamus wants in on this) I mean actual Science and actual mathematics and actual data, not tinfoil hat websites, or editorials, nor quoted numbers. I want sourced data. Nor do I count extremely credible sources who call your office about birth certificates. Also for me the Fed is a legit source, politicians are not.

[omochain]

Mr. Whitey , Heganboy is just saying that your opinions are based on nothing based in fact.

[seafoid]

Jaysus Whitey- of all things I'll defend your right to have and to express an opinion to the hilt. Freedom of speech and all that.

Just remember: factually speaking, there's a quare difference between an opinion, and a valid opinion.


you let me know which of your opinions, if any, that you think are valid, and sure then we can discuss them on their merits, not on how emotionally attached you are to them, or how they validate who you are as a person. Actually on their merits, you know with things like Science, and Mathematics and Data, not conjecture or gut feelings or beliefs.

As a pointer before you or if you begin, (and in case Seamus wants in on this) I mean actual Science and actual mathematics and actual data, not tinfoil hat websites, or editorials, nor quoted numbers. I want sourced data. Nor do I count extremely credible sources who call your office about birth certificates. Also for me the Fed is a legit source, politicians are not.

Heganboy
The Fed is a genuine institution but its remit is financial so it doesn't necessarily deal in facts.  Bernanke promised rate rises in a 2013 speech and the dollar rose 20%.  In 2016 he admitted he was wrong.

[omaghjoe]

Jaysus Whitey- of all things I'll defend your right to have and to express an opinion to the hilt. Freedom of speech and all that.

Just remember: factually speaking, there's a quare difference between an opinion, and a valid opinion.


you let me know which of your opinions, if any, that you think are valid, and sure then we can discuss them on their merits, not on how emotionally attached you are to them, or how they validate who you are as a person. Actually on their merits, you know with things like Science, and Mathematics and Data, not conjecture or gut feelings or beliefs.

As a pointer before you or if you begin, (and in case Seamus wants in on this) I mean actual Science and actual mathematics and actual data, not tinfoil hat websites, or editorials, nor quoted numbers. I want sourced data. Nor do I count extremely credible sources who call your office about birth certificates. Also for me the Fed is a legit source, politicians are not.

Heganboy you maybe have a look into epistemology.
Also maybe you should look into the roots of mathematics and where it comes from.
Then maybe have a look into the philosophy of science and in particular the induction problem

You'll very quickly discover that ALL opinions are based on a series of assumptions.

How maths and science form the basis of a political opinion is also beyond me. Political opinion is based on morals/values which are nothing to do with either maths or science and are in fact purely subjective.