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Itchy

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« Reply #2235 on: July 30, 2016, 09:54:47 PM »
Good man Tony. God forbid you ever open your eyes and see what is going on, your whole world will collapse. Thank god these people no longer run this country and idiots like Tony are less and less. I have a German friend who told me his Grandfather still won't hear a bad word said about Adolf, I immediately thought of you Tony.

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« Reply #2236 on: July 30, 2016, 11:20:51 PM »
Yawn.I have said on numerous occasions that the Church's handling of child abuse allegations back in the day was woeful,as was every other organisations' including the likes of the BBC and every Government Dept in England and Ireland.

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« Reply #2237 on: January 19, 2018, 11:39:51 PM »
I appreciate that just when you thought you had already heard it all re clerical abuse, that nothing new could top what you already have witnessed, but this is a new compelling candidate for the GUBU award.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/pope-francis-accuses-clerical-abuse-victims-of-slandering-bishop-1.3361838

Pope Francis accuses clerical abuse victims of slandering bishop

Pope Francis has accused victims of Chile’s most notorious paedophile of slander, in an astonishing end to a visit meant to help heal the wounds of a sex abuse scandal that has cost the Catholic Church its credibility in the country.

Francis said that until he sees proof that Bishop Juan Barros was complicit in covering up the sex crimes of the Reverend Fernando Karadima, such accusations against the bishop are “all calumny”.

The pope’s remarks drew shock from Chileans and immediate rebuke from victims and their advocates. They noted the accusers were deemed credible enough by the Vatican that it sentenced Karadima to a lifetime of “penance and prayer” for his crimes in 2011.

A Chilean judge also found the victims to be credible, saying that while she had to drop criminal charges against Karadima because too much time had passed, proof of his crimes was not lacking.“As if I could have taken a selfie or a photo while Karadima abused me and others and Juan Barros stood by watching it all,” tweeted Bishop Barros’s most vocal accuser, Juan Carlos Cruz.
Truly crazy

“These people are truly crazy, and the pontiff talks about atonement to the victims. Nothing has changed, and his plea for forgiveness is empty.”

The Karadima scandal dominated Francis’s visit to Chile and the overall issue of sex abuse and church cover-up was likely to factor into his three-day trip to Peru that began late on Thursday.

Karadima’s victims reported to church authorities as early as 2002 that he would kiss and fondle them in the Santiago parish he ran, but officials refused to believe them.

Only when the victims went public with their accusations in 2010 did the Vatican launch an investigation that led to Karadima being removed from ministry.

Francis had sought to heal the wounds by meeting this week with abuse victims and begging forgiveness for the crimes of church pastors. But on Thursday, he struck a defiant tone when asked by a Chilean journalist about Mr Barros.

“The day they bring me proof against Bishop Barros, I’ll speak,” Francis said. “There is not one shred of proof against him. It’s all calumny. Is that clear?”

Anne Barrett Doyle, of the online database BishopAccountability.org, said it was “sad and wrong” for the pope to discredit the victims since “the burden of proof here rests with the church, not the victims – and especially not with victims whose veracity has already been affirmed.

“He has just turned back the clock to the darkest days of this crisis,” she said in a statement. “Who knows how many victims now will decide to stay hidden, for fear they will not be believed?”
Claims

Indeed, Catholic officials for years accused victims of slandering and attacking the church with their claims. But up until the pope’s words on Thursday, many in the church and Vatican had come to reluctantly acknowledge that victims usually told the truth and that the church for decades had wrongly sought to protect its own.

German Silva, a political scientist at Santiago’s Universidad Mayor, said the pope’s comments were a “tremendous error” that will reverberate in Chile and beyond.

Patricio Navia, political science professor at Diego Portales University in Santiago, said Francis had gone much further than Chilean bishops in acknowledging the sexual abuse scandal, which many Chileans appreciated.

“Then right before leaving, Francis turns around and says: ‘By the way, I don’t think Barros is guilty. Show me some proof’,” Mr Navia said, adding that the comment will probably erase any goodwill the pope had won over the issue.
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« Reply #2238 on: January 19, 2018, 11:56:25 PM »
The mask drops.... need to get Tony's paedophile hunters on the job.
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« Reply #2239 on: Today at 12:12:50 AM »
Er,like his Holiness,I see no  evidence in the above article of the Bishop's complicity in the crimes of this pervert.But as usual anti Catholics are blind to logic and reason and are accusing the Pope of condoning sexual abuse,which he certainly is not doing.

Complicity in crime is a very serious allegation,and the Pope is entirely right to demand proof of such in this case.
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« Reply #2240 on: Today at 12:30:57 AM »
Er,like his Holiness,I see no  evidence in the above article of the Bishop's complicity in the crimes of this pervert.But as usual anti Catholics are blind to logic and reason and are accusing the Pope of condoning sexual abuse,which he certainly is not doing.

Complicity in crime is a very serious allegation,and the Pope is entirely right to demand proof of such in this case.

you speak with fork tongue - one rule for the church abusers and another for those nabbed by the predator hunters
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T Fearon

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« Reply #2241 on: Today at 12:46:13 AM »
No.A 89 year old evil monk from Coalisland was jailed the other day.I fully support this.

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« Reply #2242 on: Today at 12:51:23 AM »
No.A 89 year old evil monk from Coalisland was jailed the other day.I fully support this.

The abuse ceased in 1983 around the time he left the church... long time since he was a monk though seemed to get free rein  to abuse young boys when he was.
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« Reply #2243 on: Today at 08:05:01 AM »
That should not have happened.He has now faced justice.The Church also has learned from mistakes.