The Many Faces of US Politics...

[Hardy]

I've been surprised, though, ever since the emergence of Trump and his campaign tactics, that, in general, the much maligned mainstream media appears to be avoiding reference to the similarities between the Trump movement and the fascist movements of the 1930s.

It can hardly be that they've failed to notice. I suppose it's editorial judgement. It would be all too easy for the alt-right to scream about hysteria and ridicule any comparisons with Nazism or Italian fascism. How long can it be, though?

This is the poster which hangs at the US Holocaust Museum - given the statement issued by El Presidente on National Holocaust Day this week that failed to mention the Jewish people handy to remind ourselves

https://www.facebook.com/PhilosophyMttrs/photos/a.305663529533101.58006.305644206201700/961473263952121/?type=3&theater

[sid waddell]

This is a very, very disturbing article.


The bit at the end of it is only opinion, but Andrew Sullivan (who is a writer I really respect) has consistently maintained Trump wants to run the US like Putin runs Russia, most specifically for his own personal enrichment, and the pieces are starting to fall into place.


This is real fascism and a real threat to democracy. It's one of the greatest con jobs of all time.


https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/trial-balloon-for-a-coup-e024990891d5#.fll4kgamn

In case anybody missed it, here's another article referenced by Zunger in that piece.

Andrew Sullivan, as you say, has also been writing on this theme – this is an absorbing read.

Also Tobias Stone and Robert Kagan.

I've been surprised, though, ever since the emergence of Trump and his campaign tactics, that, in general, the much maligned mainstream media appears to be avoiding reference to the similarities between the Trump movement and the fascist movements of the 1930s.

It can hardly be that they've failed to notice. I suppose it's editorial judgement. It would be all too easy for the alt-right to scream about hysteria and ridicule any comparisons with Nazism or Italian fascism. How long can it be, though? We're already knocking out the room partitions to accommodate the elephant.

(Note to the Trump cabal here – compare this restraint with the batshit lunatic claims of the alt-right about all things liberal.)

The "alt-right" (far right), ironically, share no such reluctance with branding things they dislike as "Nazi" or "facist".

Hence nonsense like "feminazis", "Liberal fascism" "the tyranny of political correctness" and Trump comparing the media, his intelligence services and John McCain to "something out of Nazi Germany".

And sometimes, the exact same people who complain about genuine and wholly accurate comparisons of the tactics of the current far right to fascism are the exact same people who regularly engage in frivolous ones themselves, such as Ian O'Doherty, who recently wrote an article lecturing people about comparing Trump to fascism, seemingly completely oblivious to his own regular references to feminists as "feminazis".

The question is - how do you confront real fascism, which is clearly in the ascendant both in the US and in much of Europe right now.

Facts and rational argument don't work, because followers of Trump, UKIP, Le Pen and all the rest have a cult-like belief in their righteousness and infallibility. They don't respond to facts or rational argument.

Violence would merely be counter-productive and play into the hands of the fascists.

In the end, it took a world war to confront and destroy the fascism of the 1930s.

The further and further away from that terrible time we move, the more people are destined to forget or be completely oblivious to the lessons of the 1930s, and the more the modern twist on those ideas seems to appeal to the vulnerable and the gullible.

I keep reading and hearing stuff like "Trump's opponent's simply don't understand what his appeal is, they just don't get it."

But that's clearly nonsense. We all know what his appeal is, and the techniques he uses. He uses the exact same tactics as the fascists of the 1930s used. That is to use his personal charisma to portray himself as a "strong man" - a cult-like leader. He also appeals to the power of the past and ingrained and inherited notions of privilege as a birthright.

It goes something like this: "You are now weak and oppressed, because of the "other". But if you follow me you will be strong and regain the privilege that your ancestors had, and which has been so unjustly denied to you. That privilege has been denied to you because of the "other."

Trump shouts loudest and at all points, blames "others", because in the right circumstances, nothing mobilises support like hatred does.

There is an inner bully and inner psychopath in all of us. It only takes the right (wrong) circumstances to unleash it. A civilised society depends on that inner bully and inner psychopath being suppressed. Thankfully most people can control it and keep it under wraps. The far right's tactic is to try to create the circumstances whereby the inner bully and inner psychopath in people is released. They do this by appealing to hatred.

The likes of Abu Hamza are rightly classed are purveyors of hate speech.

But Trump, Le Pen and Farage do exactly the same thing. They mobilise support by vilifying "others". The key is that they cloak it in just enough plausible deniability to deny that it is such. But the triggers that unleash the latent inner bullies of their followers are there in what they say.

And the logical results are incidents like what happened in Quebec on Sunday night, the Dylann Roof massacre in Carolina, and the murder of Jo Cox.

[J70]

It was not thought through correctly at all.

Instead of saying "from now all applications for green cards/visas from these certain countries will not be given consideration for 120 days" he just banned everyone from those countries so people who have been granted green cards and visas were fucked when they landed at the airport and still will be as far as I can see?

It's a total clusterfuck and the first of many... but hey let's give him a chance 

I have that useless f**ker Obama a chance, everyone deserves a chance, I would even have given that tur d Clinton a chance, but not you, I don't think itcwoukd have mattered who won the Republican primary, many on here would have given mine of them a chance.

That's all well and good stew, but Obama didn't (and Clinton wouldn't have) base their direction and decisions on conspiracy theories and bullshit and blatant, bald-faced lying. He's made his own bed.

But go ahead, tell us how the inauguration attendance, the stranding of and separation of families at airport, the evidence-free claims of voter fraud, the Comical Ali press secretary, the turning our backs on refugees due to their religion, the replacement of professional national security/military people with Bannon on the NSC, the nomination of numerous people with contempt for the missions of various agencies to lead said agencies, and so on and on, is worthy of our understanding.

I DO NOT LIKE TRUMP!

There is enough shit Obama did to keep you going for a while, I have always maintained Trump was a Democrat, as I said many times follow the money.

I believe he is a one term President, he Will do some good and will do a lot wrong.

You speak of agencies, one such agency targeted Republicans and had them audited, then had to apologise when they were caught, the media is overwhelmingly liberal and any candidate other than Clinton had run the Democrats would be in the White house not Trump.

If YOU DON"T LIKE TRUMP, why are you getting your knickers in a twist about the justified criticism of him that is taking place here?

And seriously, drop the "Trump is a Democrat" bullshit. Its been pointed out to you multiple times that Trump's political beliefs extended to buying off whatever politicians he had to to try and swing things in his favour. Some areas that was Democrats, in others that was Republicans. As it happens, the big cities where he conducts much of his business are Democratic, hence his contributions leaning that way until he seized upon Obama's birth cert as a way to muscle on to the GOP presidential stage.

Which is irrelevant anyway - he won the election as and is governing as a far right Republican conspiracy theorist! They're the ones who hitched their wagon to the dangerous freakshow that is this insecure narcissistic attention whore. Nothing to do with the Democrats.

The f**k-ups at the IRS (the conclusions of the investigations into which are hopelessly mired in partisan spin, although all agree on very poor management) do not compare with agency after agency being headed by fox-guarding-the-henhouse types, even if you grant that that particular group was unfairly targeting tea party groups for extra scrutiny.

[seafoid]

David Frum retweeted Glenn Kessler
A reminder : Trump White House statistics and other factual claims should be presumed false until independently verified.
Glenn Kessler  New #FactChecker: The number of people affected by Trump's travel ban: about 90,000


KellyAnnLiar said 300 people were affected by the EO

[seafoid]

http://michaelrosenblog.blogspot.ch/2014/05/fascism-i-sometimes-fear.html

Fascism: I sometimes fear...

I sometimes fear that 
people think that fascism arrives in fancy dress 
worn by grotesques and monsters 
as played out in endless re-runs of the Nazis. 

Fascism arrives as your friend. 
It will restore your honour, 
make you feel proud, 
protect your house, 
give you a job, 
clean up the neighbourhood, 
remind you of how great you once were, 
clear out the venal and the corrupt, 
remove anything you feel is unlike you...

It doesn't walk in saying, 
"Our programme means militias, mass imprisonments, transportations, war and persecution."

[stew]

It was not thought through correctly at all.

Instead of saying "from now all applications for green cards/visas from these certain countries will not be given consideration for 120 days" he just banned everyone from those countries so people who have been granted green cards and visas were fucked when they landed at the airport and still will be as far as I can see?

It's a total clusterfuck and the first of many... but hey let's give him a chance 

I have that useless f**ker Obama a chance, everyone deserves a chance, I would even have given that tur d Clinton a chance, but not you, I don't think itcwoukd have mattered who won the Republican primary, many on here would have given mine of them a chance.

That's all well and good stew, but Obama didn't (and Clinton wouldn't have) base their direction and decisions on conspiracy theories and bullshit and blatant, bald-faced lying. He's made his own bed.

But go ahead, tell us how the inauguration attendance, the stranding of and separation of families at airport, the evidence-free claims of voter fraud, the Comical Ali press secretary, the turning our backs on refugees due to their religion, the replacement of professional national security/military people with Bannon on the NSC, the nomination of numerous people with contempt for the missions of various agencies to lead said agencies, and so on and on, is worthy of our understanding.

I DO NOT LIKE TRUMP!

There is enough shit Obama did to keep you going for a while, I have always maintained Trump was a Democrat, as I said many times follow the money.

I believe he is a one term President, he Will do some good and will do a lot wrong.

You speak of agencies, one such agency targeted Republicans and had them audited, then had to apologise when they were caught, the media is overwhelmingly liberal and any candidate other than Clinton had run the Democrats would be in the White house not Trump.

If YOU DON"T LIKE TRUMP, why are you getting your knickers in a twist about the justified criticism of him that is taking place here?

And seriously, drop the "Trump is a Democrat" bullshit. Its been pointed out to you multiple times that Trump's political beliefs extended to buying off whatever politicians he had to to try and swing things in his favour. Some areas that was Democrats, in others that was Republicans. As it happens, the big cities where he conducts much of his business are Democratic, hence his contributions leaning that way until he seized upon Obama's birth cert as a way to muscle on to the GOP presidential stage.

Which is irrelevant anyway - he won the election as and is governing as a far right Republican conspiracy theorist! They're the ones who hitched their wagon to the dangerous freakshow that is this insecure narcissistic attention whore. Nothing to do with the Democrats.

The f**k-ups at the IRS (the conclusions of the investigations into which are hopelessly mired in partisan spin, although all agree on very poor management) do not compare with agency after agency being headed by fox-guarding-the-henhouse types, even if you grant that that particular group was unfairly targeting tea party groups for extra scrutiny.

Calm down dear, I do not like Trump, like many liberals I thought he was very entertaining when he blew up the norm in politics, it was fascinating stuff, when he got elected I believe I posted that we all lost, I should have been bouncing off the walls with happiness that Clinton lost, I wasn't, I said we all lost and we have.

A man got knocked unconscious in Portland Airport for being a Trump supporter, a mob abused him before a coward hit him from out of the crowd, you have red neck right wing arseholes spewing racist hate thinking you can get away with it now because Trump is President.

The liberals are in a wonderful state of dysfunction, the republicans are dealing with Trump and trying to feel him out, I believe Paul Ryan will steady that ship, the dems are rudderless, they have their wee attack dog from Massachusetts going after Trump nominees, you know the one who lied about her ethnicity to get into college, Clinton is a pariah after the election and politically dead and Pelosi is a nut job and has no future either.

The democrats lost this election through laziness and arrogance, not to mention cheating, you don't screw Bernie and he would be sitting in the White house, you got what you deserves in Clinton and the republicans got fucked by Trump, everybody loses.

I don't stick up for Trump, it's more that I despise the left wing constant attacking, the constant Hitler references and the abject bias of the media stateside, I am sick to my back teeth of listening and reading their bile, I wanted Trump to get a fair shake, he never will and so far he seems to break more laws than Obama did.

I think a war is coming withing the Republican party, Ryan will take so much and Trump can't help himself, he just can't.

The democrats need to regroup and analyse what happened, they need to find themselves a leader or leaders with a common purpose and a message that is clear, concise and one that speaks not only to the base, but to the most important voters oftentimes, the undecided voters.

[stew]

http://michaelrosenblog.blogspot.ch/2014/05/fascism-i-sometimes-fear.html

Fascism: I sometimes fear...

I sometimes fear that
people think that fascism arrives in fancy dress
worn by grotesques and monsters
as played out in endless re-runs of the Nazis.

Fascism arrives as your friend.
It will restore your honour,
make you feel proud,
protect your house,
give you a job,
clean up the neighbourhood,
remind you of how great you once were,
clear out the venal and the corrupt,
remove anything you feel is unlike you...

It doesn't walk in saying,
"Our programme means militias, mass imprisonments, transportations, war and persecution."

Stop with the fascism bullshit and wise up!

Fascists will never run the USA, you people are deluded if you think fascism will take in the States.

[whitey]

This is a very, very disturbing article.


The bit at the end of it is only opinion, but Andrew Sullivan (who is a writer I really respect) has consistently maintained Trump wants to run the US like Putin runs Russia, most specifically for his own personal enrichment, and the pieces are starting to fall into place.


This is real fascism and a real threat to democracy. It's one of the greatest con jobs of all time.


https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/trial-balloon-for-a-coup-e024990891d5#.fll4kgamn

In case anybody missed it, here's another article referenced by Zunger in that piece.

Andrew Sullivan, as you say, has also been writing on this theme – this is an absorbing read.

Also Tobias Stone and Robert Kagan.

I've been surprised, though, ever since the emergence of Trump and his campaign tactics, that, in general, the much maligned mainstream media appears to be avoiding reference to the similarities between the Trump movement and the fascist movements of the 1930s.

It can hardly be that they've failed to notice. I suppose it's editorial judgement. It would be all too easy for the alt-right to scream about hysteria and ridicule any comparisons with Nazism or Italian fascism. How long can it be, though? We're already knocking out the room partitions to accommodate the elephant.

(Note to the Trump cabal here – compare this restraint with the batshit lunatic claims of the alt-right about all things liberal.)

The "alt-right" (far right), ironically, share no such reluctance with branding things they dislike as "Nazi" or "facist".

Hence nonsense like "feminazis", "Liberal fascism" "the tyranny of political correctness" and Trump comparing the media, his intelligence services and John McCain to "something out of Nazi Germany".

And sometimes, the exact same people who complain about genuine and wholly accurate comparisons of the tactics of the current far right to fascism are the exact same people who regularly engage in frivolous ones themselves, such as Ian O'Doherty, who recently wrote an article lecturing people about comparing Trump to fascism, seemingly completely oblivious to his own regular references to feminists as "feminazis".

The question is - how do you confront real fascism, which is clearly in the ascendant both in the US and in much of Europe right now.

Facts and rational argument don't work, because followers of Trump, UKIP, Le Pen and all the rest have a cult-like belief in their righteousness and infallibility. They don't respond to facts or rational argument.

Violence would merely be counter-productive and play into the hands of the fascists.

In the end, it took a world war to confront and destroy the fascism of the 1930s.

The further and further away from that terrible time we move, the more people are destined to forget or be completely oblivious to the lessons of the 1930s, and the more the modern twist on those ideas seems to appeal to the vulnerable and the gullible.

I keep reading and hearing stuff like "Trump's opponent's simply don't understand what his appeal is, they just don't get it."

But that's clearly nonsense. We all know what his appeal is, and the techniques he uses. He uses the exact same tactics as the fascists of the 1930s used. That is to use his personal charisma to portray himself as a "strong man" - a cult-like leader. He also appeals to the power of the past and ingrained and inherited notions of privilege as a birthright.

It goes something like this: "You are now weak and oppressed, because of the "other". But if you follow me you will be strong and regain the privilege that your ancestors had, and which has been so unjustly denied to you. That privilege has been denied to you because of the "other."

Trump shouts loudest and at all points, blames "others", because in the right circumstances, nothing mobilises support like hatred does.

There is an inner bully and inner psychopath in all of us. It only takes the right (wrong) circumstances to unleash it. A civilised society depends on that inner bully and inner psychopath being suppressed. Thankfully most people can control it and keep it under wraps. The far right's tactic is to try to create the circumstances whereby the inner bully and inner psychopath in people is released. They do this by appealing to hatred.

The likes of Abu Hamza are rightly classed are purveyors of hate speech.

But Trump, Le Pen and Farage do exactly the same thing. They mobilise support by vilifying "others". The key is that they cloak it in just enough plausible deniability to deny that it is such. But the triggers that unleash the latent inner bullies of their followers are there in what they say.

And the logical results are incidents like what happened in Quebec on Sunday night, the Dylann Roof massacre in Carolina, and the murder of Jo Cox.

You mean femanazis like this keynote speaker at the Washington March? (Can you imagine if she was a Trump supporter)

http://www.dailywire.com/news/12853/featured-womens-march-speaker-once-kidnapped-raped-amanda-prestigiacomo

"As reported by The Daily Caller's Peter Hasson on Thursday night: "Hylton, along with three men and three other women, kidnapped 62-year-old real-estate broker Thomas Vigliarolo and held him for ransom, before eventually killing him. As noted in a 1995 Psychology Today article, when asked about forcibly sodomizing the victim with a three foot steel pole, one of Hylton's accomplices replied: 'He was a homo anyway.'"

[seafoid]

http://michaelrosenblog.blogspot.ch/2014/05/fascism-i-sometimes-fear.html

Fascism: I sometimes fear...

I sometimes fear that
people think that fascism arrives in fancy dress
worn by grotesques and monsters
as played out in endless re-runs of the Nazis.

Fascism arrives as your friend.
It will restore your honour,
make you feel proud,
protect your house,
give you a job,
clean up the neighbourhood,
remind you of how great you once were,
clear out the venal and the corrupt,
remove anything you feel is unlike you...

It doesn't walk in saying,
"Our programme means militias, mass imprisonments, transportations, war and persecution."

Stop with the fascism bullshit and wise up!

Fascists will never run the USA, you people are deluded if you think fascism will take in the States.

Why not, Stew? What is special about the US?

[J70]

It was not thought through correctly at all.

Instead of saying "from now all applications for green cards/visas from these certain countries will not be given consideration for 120 days" he just banned everyone from those countries so people who have been granted green cards and visas were fucked when they landed at the airport and still will be as far as I can see?

It's a total clusterfuck and the first of many... but hey let's give him a chance 

I have that useless f**ker Obama a chance, everyone deserves a chance, I would even have given that tur d Clinton a chance, but not you, I don't think itcwoukd have mattered who won the Republican primary, many on here would have given mine of them a chance.

That's all well and good stew, but Obama didn't (and Clinton wouldn't have) base their direction and decisions on conspiracy theories and bullshit and blatant, bald-faced lying. He's made his own bed.

But go ahead, tell us how the inauguration attendance, the stranding of and separation of families at airport, the evidence-free claims of voter fraud, the Comical Ali press secretary, the turning our backs on refugees due to their religion, the replacement of professional national security/military people with Bannon on the NSC, the nomination of numerous people with contempt for the missions of various agencies to lead said agencies, and so on and on, is worthy of our understanding.

I DO NOT LIKE TRUMP!

There is enough shit Obama did to keep you going for a while, I have always maintained Trump was a Democrat, as I said many times follow the money.

I believe he is a one term President, he Will do some good and will do a lot wrong.

You speak of agencies, one such agency targeted Republicans and had them audited, then had to apologise when they were caught, the media is overwhelmingly liberal and any candidate other than Clinton had run the Democrats would be in the White house not Trump.

If YOU DON"T LIKE TRUMP, why are you getting your knickers in a twist about the justified criticism of him that is taking place here?

And seriously, drop the "Trump is a Democrat" bullshit. Its been pointed out to you multiple times that Trump's political beliefs extended to buying off whatever politicians he had to to try and swing things in his favour. Some areas that was Democrats, in others that was Republicans. As it happens, the big cities where he conducts much of his business are Democratic, hence his contributions leaning that way until he seized upon Obama's birth cert as a way to muscle on to the GOP presidential stage.

Which is irrelevant anyway - he won the election as and is governing as a far right Republican conspiracy theorist! They're the ones who hitched their wagon to the dangerous freakshow that is this insecure narcissistic attention whore. Nothing to do with the Democrats.

The f**k-ups at the IRS (the conclusions of the investigations into which are hopelessly mired in partisan spin, although all agree on very poor management) do not compare with agency after agency being headed by fox-guarding-the-henhouse types, even if you grant that that particular group was unfairly targeting tea party groups for extra scrutiny.

Calm down dear, I do not like Trump, like many liberals I thought he was very entertaining when he blew up the norm in politics, it was fascinating stuff, when he got elected I believe I posted that we all lost, I should have been bouncing off the walls with happiness that Clinton lost, I wasn't, I said we all lost and we have.

A man got knocked unconscious in Portland Airport for being a Trump supporter, a mob abused him before a coward hit him from out of the crowd, you have red neck right wing arseholes spewing racist hate thinking you can get away with it now because Trump is President.

The liberals are in a wonderful state of dysfunction, the republicans are dealing with Trump and trying to feel him out, I believe Paul Ryan will steady that ship, the dems are rudderless, they have their wee attack dog from Massachusetts going after Trump nominees, you know the one who lied about her ethnicity to get into college, Clinton is a pariah after the election and politically dead and Pelosi is a nut job and has no future either.

The democrats lost this election through laziness and arrogance, not to mention cheating, you don't screw Bernie and he would be sitting in the White house, you got what you deserves in Clinton and the republicans got fucked by Trump, everybody loses.

I don't stick up for Trump, it's more that I despise the left wing constant attacking, the constant Hitler references and the abject bias of the media stateside, I am sick to my back teeth of listening and reading their bile, I wanted Trump to get a fair shake, he never will and so far he seems to break more laws than Obama did.

I think a war is coming withing the Republican party, Ryan will take so much and Trump can't help himself, he just can't.

The democrats need to regroup and analyse what happened, they need to find themselves a leader or leaders with a common purpose and a message that is clear, concise and one that speaks not only to the base, but to the most important voters oftentimes, the undecided voters.

Do you not see where the Hitler references are coming from?

I don't use that type of language myself, as its usually counter-productive, but the parallels with fascist tactics and rhetoric are there. as others have laid out in this thread. Now of course that doesn't mean that that terrible conclusion is even a remote possibility - for one, Trump is only interested in anti-Muslim (or any other) rhetoric or actions to the extent that it empowers HIM, not for any ideological reasons, and second, despite Trump and Bannon's wishes, there is simply no way they are going to be able to control the information and media in the way that strongmen authoritarian types have done elsewhere and in the past.

Further though, have you forgotten the Fox News/talk radio Obama-as-Hitler crusade?

Here's a reminder of the genius of Lewis Black on Glenn Beck and his Nazi comparisons: http://www.cc.com/video-clips/04rkt0/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-back-in-black---glenn-beck-s-nazi-tourette-s

As for the "abject bias" of the media - what are they supposed to do here? Allow Kelly Anne Conway to present her "alternative facts" unchallenged? Let Trump tweet blatant lies? Go the Fox News route and ignore the protests and chaos at the airports on Friday evening? NOT cover the fact that someone like Scott Pruit is extremely hostile to the mission of the EPA which he is being lined up to head?

Trump brings all this shit on himself. This is unprecedented territory.

[Hardy]

You mean femanazis like this keynote speaker at the Washington March? (Can you imagine if she was a Trump supporter)

http://www.dailywire.com/news/12853/featured-womens-march-speaker-once-kidnapped-raped-amanda-prestigiacomo

"As reported by The Daily Caller's Peter Hasson on Thursday night: "Hylton, along with three men and three other women, kidnapped 62-year-old real-estate broker Thomas Vigliarolo and held him for ransom, before eventually killing him. As noted in a 1995 Psychology Today article, when asked about forcibly sodomizing the victim with a three foot steel pole, one of Hylton's accomplices replied: 'He was a homo anyway.'"

Whitey – You're not stupid. Unfortunately that points to the suggestion that you're dishonest. Your rebuttal of Sid's point is paragraph 1.1 of the alt-right manual of debate:

Your opponent says, for instance '11,000+ Americans every year are shot in the USA by other Americans'.

This is undeniable,, so your best response is diversion (note that logic or relevance are not a consideration). You say, 'A Frenchman was shot in France last month by another Frenchman'.

[Walter Cronc]

Worth a watch.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b07yjk0j/scotland-and-the-klan

[Hound]

I've been surprised, though, ever since the emergence of Trump and his campaign tactics, that, in general, the much maligned mainstream media appears to be avoiding reference to the similarities between the Trump movement and the fascist movements of the 1930s.

It can hardly be that they've failed to notice. I suppose it's editorial judgement. It would be all too easy for the alt-right to scream about hysteria and ridicule any comparisons with Nazism or Italian fascism. How long can it be, though?

This is the poster which hangs at the US Holocaust Museum - given the statement issued by El Presidente on National Holocaust Day this week that failed to mention the Jewish people handy to remind ourselves

Looking at it objectively (if that's possible on this forum), how many of those Fascim traits listed has Trump exhibited since he was elected (and that wasn't exhibited by say Bush II or Clinton)?
We're getting a bit hysterical I think.

[foxcommander]

Is it too late to nominate these two for this years Oscars for best lead actor/actress? What performances! The crocodile tears flowing touching the hearts of millions, a bit like that scene in Jerry Maguire.

"As the Statue of Liberty holds her torch of welcome high, there are tears in her eyes as she sees how low this Administration has stooped in its callousness toward mothers and children escaping war-torn Syria," House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi,

"Tears are running down the cheeks of the Statue of Liberty tonight as a grand tradition of America, welcoming immigrants, that has existed since America was founded has been stomped upon," Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer,

Bravo! Take a bow.

I have seriously come to the conclusion that you don't actually believe any of the fascist bile that flows forth from your mouth. You've just adopted this uber-nationalist persona online to wind people up, haven't you?

Eamon pictured relaxing at home



The frenzy by liberals isn't really about refugees - it's about being sore losers who will protest anything to do with President Trump. Beating up fellow US citizens in airports is really showing an evil side to them.

Which airports held protests when Obama stopped processing Iraqi refugees for 6 months in 2011? Where was the outrage at Obamas actions?

We have entered a phase of widespread narcissism thanks to the likes of Facebook where "protesters" think they are rebelling and standing up for human rights but really all they want is attention and likes on their profile. How many of the protesters would put these refugees up in their homes without question? Very few i'd imagine. It's all a show.

[Declan]

Looking at it objectively (if that's possible on this forum), how many of those Fascim traits listed has Trump exhibited since he was elected (and that wasn't exhibited by say Bush II or Clinton)?
We're getting a bit hysterical I think.

The first four on the list to my mind Hound