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This forum has been unusually quiet, is everyone on holiday?

Sheedy, if you're around, you seemed to be in the know in advance about Marty playing midfield for the last game, any team news for us?

Has anyone heard anything else?

nothing much, read coulter in the democrat saying ambrose is available - seems to be very mixed reports on this, please god the big man is back

You make a good point, Banana Man. Most reasonable people believe Israel should be brought to book over its crimes against humanity in the Middle east and forced to a solution to the conflict by their paymasters in the US. Nobody believes it's wrong to bring aid to the suffering innocents of Gaza. But we mustn't forget in all of this that the people running Gaza itself are a pretty unsavoury bunch and will undoubtedly spin any humanitarian intervention by well meaning people as support for their nasty regime and dodgy alliances. Anyone who refuses to acknowledge that is living in a black and white world, as I said.

My initial post was simply to present this point, as made by a reputable and honest commentator, who totally abhors Israeli policy, as far as I can tell from his writings. It was the knee-jerk reaction to his piece as propaganda, simply because it dared to look at another nuance of a very complex situation, that got me ranting.

to be honest i think we are on the same page, I wasn't even getting into the politics of the whole set-up - I don't think anyone would know it properly unless they were brought up there, I just feel so sorry for those people

I know we grumble here about the recession and how tough things are that we can't afford the holiday to Tuscany or pay for the extension for the games room and it's on the long finger (piss taking a bit) but seriously our problems pale into the insignifcant when you compare what those people have to go through on a daily basis - e.g. hoking through rubble for building materials while we nip down to the builders yard, queuing up at the UN camp for medicine while we go to the GP's and complain we had to wait for an hour, fight for food rashins while we stand in the supermarket and toy between chicken or steak from the freezeri.

It's sheer madness that Israel are allowed to maintain this blockade - the west's silence on this is deafening...

Another view

Yes and a view shared on more than one occasion by a very select
few here on the board...John and his alias' should be along shortly
to put a lid on it cause this type of material does little to aid the
ignorance and propaganda machine.

That was the first word that came to mind when I read that article alright. Propaganda.

No evidence to discredit the flotilla what-so-ever. I can just imagine an editor saying 'Just talk about the flotilla with multiple references to Hezbollah, the Assad regime, Bin Laden, al-Qaida, Iran etc etc etc..... that ought to do it'. 

Four legs good, two legs bad. My opinion is the truth, everything that disagrees with it is propaganda.

Do you seriously believe Christopher Hitchens is a propandagist for Zionism?

it reminds me of the family guy episode where Lois was running for Mayor and was losing the crowd - she just said ''9/11 was bad'' - the crowd went nuts everytime

I think Nally's point is valid it's trying to make links without dealing with the issue in isolation imo

I'm surprised that's all you (both) can take from that article. If you've read anything else he's written about the Israeli/Palestinian issue, I can't imagine you'd take him for a propagandist or a biased commentator. Indeed your own reaction (BM) reminds me more of the "Family Guy" effect you mention. Criticise Hamas and you must be pro-Israeli. Point out Hamas's unsavoury alliances and you are pro the Gaza blockade. It seems very knee-jerk to me.

Of course Tyrone's Own is the other side of the same coin.

The world is in colour, not black and white.

That's not what i'm saying Hardy, the way i view this whole situation is that there are people crammed into refugee camps for the last 60 odd years and are being denied basic aid by a far bigger power, it's like the big boy always taking the lunch money of the wee weak kid - it doesn't sit right with me

It would be the same if the shoe was on the other foot, i would support Jewish refugees in such a grave situation - I just cannot for the life of me understand how anyone would want to see other human beings reduced to living in rubble piles with no basic aid or food without a future - it's the attempt to link different groups to different causes, for me that is irreleavant and for a different day's discussion and what irks me, what i want to see is aid get through to people that need it but it's being blocked by an aggressor not some natural disaster

it's a crazy crazy situation and frankly i have no time for anyone who tries to mask this humanitarian catastrophe (brought about by Israel) by trying to say things like ''but hang on such and such is linked to such and such'' - it's pathetic and disgusting, the bottom line is there are people dying because they can't basic human needs....

[propaganda]

Another view

Yes and a view shared on more than one occasion by a very select
few here on the board...John and his alias' should be along shortly
to put a lid on it cause this type of material does little to aid the
ignorance and propaganda machine.

That was the first word that came to mind when I read that article alright. Propaganda.

No evidence to discredit the flotilla what-so-ever. I can just imagine an editor saying 'Just talk about the flotilla with multiple references to Hezbollah, the Assad regime, Bin Laden, al-Qaida, Iran etc etc etc..... that ought to do it'. 

Four legs good, two legs bad. My opinion is the truth, everything that disagrees with it is propaganda.

Do you seriously believe Christopher Hitchens is a propandagist for Zionism?

it reminds me of the family guy episode where Lois was running for Mayor and was losing the crowd - she just said ''9/11 was bad'' - the crowd went nuts everytime

I think Nally's point is valid it's trying to make links without dealing with the issue in isolation imo

Interesting that Scottish and Irish culture are Gaelic, for the most part, something that is ignored by our Ulster Scots loving brothers who pick and choose the parts of Scots culture that suits. Highlands and Island Scots, their language music, shinty and culture have much more in common with Irish Gaelic culture than with English culture. A point that seems to be lost on some.... Just an observation.

that's the irony of it, the Scots that settled here were lowland scots, I had this out with EG before but as usual he tried to rail over it.

Basically the were 2 distinct people in scotland - the highlanders who were Gaelic and the lowlanders who were Saxon/Norman/French/other and they hated each other. The lowlanders hated everything highland i.e. Dancing, bagpipes, language, kilts, yet the seriously mentally limited thugs here wouldn't realise they were of lowland stock originally and their ancestors would have deplored the highland dancing, bagpipes etc that they profess to love. The irony is unreal and never ceases to amaze me how thick these people are.

Ambrose played 40 mins on friday night but lacked sharpness never really got going . From what i hear Hughes is hoping to be back in contention . Eoin Mc Cartan hurt his ankle last night in training and was going well this last few weeks

cheers lad

anyone any idea of the starting line up?

any word on ambrose? rapidly looking like this year's a write off...

Is hughes fit for Saturday?

I would seriously suspect he burned the car himself to try and save face a bit. C.unts, the both of them.

+1 I'd say a couple of 'the lads' in the lodge give him a pull out

div 4 result
Bredagh  3-16 Bright 0-6

jeysus that is some hammering!

Absolutley terrible. RIP.

[Heard a wee rumour that the panel considering a breakaway team, give some of the more deserving players a chance!]

I just have to laugh at some of use fellas ( or ladies) on here, your heads must be pretty far up your arses! "John Clarkes start does not reflect League form" Sorry but thats just a loada of s***e. Been playin out of his skin for club and puttin in sessions for club and county you wouldn believe. His last game (for the county) against mayo he scored 1-1 and then never got a chance until last weekend, where's the sense in that. How can you slate a man who been there for over 10 years and never grumbled or moaned at not gettin game time just put his head down and put the work in, thats a lack of respect for the man right their folks. S Our 2 corner backs were gettin roasted on Saturday and whats wee James do, takes a corner forward off, just me that finds this bemusing. Down finishing with 6 or 7 burren men of the field, JOKE. Heard a wee rumour that the panel considering a breakaway team, give some of the more deserving players a chance!

Let us know how you get on with that - what a load of shite

Kevin is only player to have an ALL Ireland and Fa Cup medal 

did socrates not do that (as well as world cup medal)

Just read on the hoganstand (yes I'm bored), that Marty Clarke is flying back out to Aus for a wee holiday.
Is this common knowledge?
Is there talk of him getting a new contract or is it just a break away?
What does he work at?

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=148554

Sorry if this has been mentioned before.

works as a coaching office for county board

aye common knowledge he is heading back out to talk to a club(s) and will be gone after this season....

boycott my hole - the truth is they were sh!te scared the guards would hammer them after their antics at the scotland game where they destroyed the capital catching everyone off guard

Still, if it does manage to get a few tourists in the country (I doubt whther it will) then it'd be worth it.

The visit is only supposed to be worth about €150 million in advertising to the country.


Hardly worth it really

where did you rip that figure out of (apart from your arse)

Time magazine and the Irish Independent
http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/05/24/swilling-becomes-shilling-is-obamas-guinness-taste-test-worth-millions-to-the-company/

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/presidential-visit/presidential-pint-of-plain-worth-millions-to-guinness-2655154.html

Try reading something other than The Sun once in a while

Actually if you read the report the €150mill figure is an estimate from Dublin Chamber of Commerce.  In other words they ripped it out of their arse

there's a shock, a manufactured figure that abbeysider is quoting, he backed of before when i tackled him about the so called benefits of the 2 visits in times of heavy austerity

also kenny was caught spluttering when joe higgins asked him to detail how much the bill was - inda didn't have the figures available