This could be one of the longest threads ever.
It will be an interesting match ;D
I want to put it on record that I believe this game should be in Omagh
on a Saturday evening,
under floodlights.
Armagh by 10.
Must be in Omagh
Any odds on this game available yet?
play it at Casement
I would rather beat Tyrone in their own back yard than clones
When are the teams announced? Here's my go:
Devine
Ricey - Justin - McGee
Harte - Gormley - Jordan
McGinley - Joe
Penrose - McGuigan - Mulgrew
Mugsy - O'Neill - Tommy
play it in Aghyaran
As its the Ulster Championship its only rightful that Tyrone provide a Guard of Honour for the reigning Ulster Champions, and maybe parade their All Ireland medals and Sam in the process?
Quote from: ONeill on October 08, 2008, 08:45:42 PM
When are the teams announced? Here's my go:
Devine
Ricey - Justin - McGee
Harte - Gormley - Jordan
McGinley - Joe
Penrose - McGuigan - Mulgrew
Mugsy - O'Neill - Tommy
Cant believe you've dropped Dooher already
Quote from: Kerry Mike on October 08, 2008, 08:46:12 PM
As its the Ulster Championship its only rightful that Tyrone provide a Guard of Honour for the reigning Ulster Champions, and maybe parade their All Ireland medals and Sam in the process?
Maybe Armagh could give Tyrone a Guard of Honour and then they could line up straight away and give Tyrone one?(A guard of honour that is :P)
Quote from: time ticking away on October 08, 2008, 08:47:29 PM
Quote from: ONeill on October 08, 2008, 08:45:42 PM
When are the teams announced? Here's my go:
Devine
Ricey - Justin - McGee
Harte - Gormley - Jordan
McGinley - Joe
Penrose - McGuigan - Mulgrew
Mugsy - O'Neill - Tommy
Cant believe you've dropped Dooher already
and Cavanagh ffs
Tyrone 8/11 Armagh 13/8 Draw 7/1 at a guess.
Never rated Dooher and if Harte has any sense he'll send him to the Mid Ulster Arena for a couple of months to train up the standard required. Cavanagh has gone off the rails since the POTY award and that incident in the Glenavonon Christmas night with the pitchfork was a step too far. Only for Mugsy's calming influence at 1am that night God knows how far he'd a gone. How are the Armagh minors shaping up?
Mc Connell
Ricey - Justin - McCaul
Harte - Gormley - Jordan
McGinley - Joe
Dooher - Cavanagh - Cavanagh
Mugsy - O'Neill - Mc Ginn
Armagh
Hearty
Mallon, Bellew, Duffy
ORourke, O Rourke, Mc Keever, Mc Keever, Kernan, Kernan
Mc Grane, Toner
Mallon,
O Donnell Clarke.
Quote from: rrhf on October 08, 2008, 08:51:04 PM
Mc Connell
Ricey - Justin - McCaul
Harte - Gormley - Jordan
McGinley - Joe
Dooher - Cavanagh - Cavanagh
Mugsy - O'Neill - Mc Ginn
Know something we don't, rrhf?
Great draw ;D
time that whole thing was sorted alright fear ;)
This board will probably go into meltdown sometime around early June next year. Cracking tie though, and a tough semi for whoever wins too.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 08, 2008, 08:53:01 PM
Quote from: rrhf on October 08, 2008, 08:51:04 PM
Mc Connell
Ricey - Justin - McCaul
Harte - Gormley - Jordan
McGinley - Joe
Dooher - Cavanagh - Cavanagh
Mugsy - O'Neill - Mc Ginn
Know something we don't, rrhf?
Great draw ;D
Noel Mc Ginn is over the hill
If that happens to be the Armagh side sent out to face Tyrone they are well and truly fucked.
Quote from: AFS on October 08, 2008, 08:56:17 PM
Quote from: rrhf on October 08, 2008, 08:51:04 PM
Mc Connell
Ricey - Justin - McCaul
Harte - Gormley - Jordan
McGinley - Joe
Dooher - Cavanagh - Cavanagh
Mugsy - O'Neill - Mc Ginn
Armagh
Hearty
Mallon, Bellew, Duffy
ORourke, O Rourke, Mc Keever, Mc Keever, Kernan, Kernan
Mc Grane, Toner
Mallon,
O Donnell Clarke.
Who is this boy O'Donnell? Must be good to keep Stevie Mc off the team :-\
Daniel. He found an orchard tree out his back.
Quote from: rrhf on October 08, 2008, 08:51:04 PM
Mc Connell
Ricey - Justin - McCaul
Harte - Gormley - Jordan
McGinley - Joe
Dooher - Cavanagh - Cavanagh
Mugsy - O'Neill - Mc Ginn
Armagh
Hearty
Mallon, Bellew, Duffy
ORourke, O Rourke, Mc Keever, Mc Keever, Kernan, Kernan
Mc Grane, Toner
Mallon,
O Donnell Clarke.
Why not Coney as well as Mc Ginn when you're at it ? ;)
Quote from: orangeman on October 08, 2008, 09:02:58 PM
Quote from: rrhf on October 08, 2008, 08:51:04 PM
Mc Connell
Ricey - Justin - McCaul
Harte - Gormley - Jordan
McGinley - Joe
Dooher - Cavanagh - Cavanagh
Mugsy - O'Neill - Mc Ginn
Armagh
Hearty
Mallon, Bellew, Duffy
ORourke, O Rourke, Mc Keever, Mc Keever, Kernan, Kernan
Mc Grane, Toner
Mallon,
O Donnell Clarke.
Why not Coney as well as Mc Ginn when you're at it ? ;)
because he is still a bit selfish
wouldnt lace his boots... ;)
Quote from: Kerry Mike on October 08, 2008, 08:39:02 PM
This could be one of the longest threads ever.
:D :D
First thought when I saw the draw was "f**k, the lads on gaaboard will have a field day"
from wikipedia
Armagh known as the orchard county is filled with fruits from the North to the South. The county is one of only 3 in Ulster who have won the All ireland Championship once and there have been calls for a special award from the Queen to mark their ongoing successes in Ulster. The geographical terrain can be hilly and windy and indeed the Armagh landmass has often been described as a samlocked county due to the success of their neighbouring counties.
1/100 Tyrone Armagh 100/1
rough estimate
Quote from: rrhf on October 08, 2008, 09:25:19 PM
from wikipedia
Armagh known as the orchard county is filled with fruits from the North to the South. The county is one of only 3 in Ulster who have won the All ireland Championship once and there have been calls for a special award from the Queen to mark their ongoing successes in Ulster. The geographical terrain can be hilly and windy and indeed the Armagh landmass has often been described as a samlocked county due to the success of their neighbouring counties.
Good one :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
I'm on DART on the way home from a few pints from new work colleagues.
Or at least I thought I was.
Am I more drunk that I thought I am or is this just sleep deprivation from the young cub and his teethin.
Please tell me we really got Antrim in the 1st round with Cavan or Louth waiting in long grass in the Qualifiers.
Shit. Missed my stop
Your right Kerry Mike its on the 3rd page already, they will be some sh@t posted on here in the next few months
This game should be played in Croke Park - better still play it and Down v Fermanagh as a Croker double bill and launch the Championship with a bang!
Quote from: cornafean on October 08, 2008, 09:48:17 PM
This game should be played in Croke Park - better still play it and Down v Fermanagh as a Croker double bill and launch the Championship with a bang!
I'm sure the GAA will have some way of geting a few £ off us for this one.
Croke PARK ? Unless the economic climate changes soon Omagh will be big enough for it.
It will be Clones. There's no way the Ulster Council will want to give up the income from an extra 10,000 tickets.
Quote from: Maguire01 on October 08, 2008, 09:55:26 PM
It will be Clones. There's no way the Ulster Council will want to give up the income from an extra 10,000 tickets.
It'll only be Clones if Mickey decides it should be Cones - what Micket wants, Mickey gets !!
On another note, how many pages do you expect this to run to ?? 100+ ???
Quote from: rrhf on October 08, 2008, 09:25:19 PM
from wikipedia
Armagh, also known as the orchard county is one of the 3 minor Counties in Ulster that, in their history, have managed to win only one All Ireland Championship. There have been calls for a special Queen Elizabeth II award to mark their craving for true success.
The rugged terrain can be hilly and windy and indeed the Armagh landmass has often been described as 'Samlocked' due to the notable success of their near neighbouring counties.
Lovin it. ;D ;D ;D. Excellent thread Kerry Mic
Quote from: rrhf on October 08, 2008, 09:25:19 PM
from wikipedia
Armagh known as the orchard county is filled with fruits from the North to the South. The county is one of only 3 in Ulster who have won the All ireland Championship once and there have been calls for a special award from the Queen to mark their ongoing successes in Ulster. The geographical terrain can be hilly and windy and indeed the Armagh landmass has often been described as a samlocked county due to the success of their neighbouring counties.
You're really rubbing it in now RRHF.
QuoteThere's no way the Ulster Council will want to give up the income from an extra 10,000 tickets.
Quite apart from the fact that the 10,000 people might like to go.
This would have been the glamour tie of the round if it wasn't for Meath v Dublin in front of a packed Croke Park. It's a close second though. ;)
A pity there is the back door to take the edge off this game. As Ulster Champions, Armagh are the only team with a title to loose in this match.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 08, 2008, 10:50:11 PM
This would have been the glamour tie of the round if it wasn't for Meath v Dublin in front of a packed Croke Park. It's a close second though. ;)
Why? Meath are on their backsides amongst the also-rans of Leinster. Dublin have shot their bolt and as of now are a fading power. Tyrone are All Ireland champions and Armagh are the one team they will not want to meet in the first round.
From Paddypower
Tyrone to win Ulster outright 9-4
Tyrone to win the 2009 All Ireland 7-2
Quote from: cornafean on October 08, 2008, 10:53:59 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 08, 2008, 10:50:11 PM
This would have been the glamour tie of the round if it wasn't for Meath v Dublin in front of a packed Croke Park. It's a close second though. ;)
Why? Meath are on their backsides amongst the also-rans of Leinster. Dublin have shot their bolt and as of now are a fading power. Tyrone are All Ireland champions and Armagh are the one team they will not want to meet in the first round.
Look, it's this simple. Meath v Dublin is the biggest rivalry in gaelic games. FACT!
Quote from: Jinxy on October 08, 2008, 10:59:09 PM
Look, it's this simple. Meath v Dublin is the biggest rivalry in gaelic games. FACT!
Very, very close to being correct. Just two little words missing: 'in Leinster'. Like the rest of the provinces could give a toss about this inconsequential non-entity of a tie! :P
People come from all over the country to watch a Meath-Dublin game. Sure who wouldn't want to see positive free-flowing football played in a great atmosphere?
You're dripping with nostalgia, get out of that! ;)
handy enough draw for tyrone 8) ... just imagine we could have got antrim. >:( :D ;) ;)
Sure how could anyone else in Ireland get a ticket for a dub Meath game?? :o :D when all the dubs have got the tickets unless they scale the fences. I thought the dubs would snap all the tickets up :o :D
Can't imagine how you think Dublin v Meath is bigger in Ulster than Armagh v Down or Amagh v Tyrone or Tyrone v Derry or Monaghan v Cavan. I think you've lost it lad.
Quote from: winsamsoon on October 08, 2008, 11:46:46 PM
Sure how could anyone else in Ireland get a ticket for a dub Meath game?? :o :D when all the dubs have got the tickets unless they scale the fences. I thought the dubs would snap all the tickets up :o :D
Can't imagine how you think Dublin v Meath is bigger in Ulster than Armagh v Down or Amagh v Tyrone or Tyrone v Derry or Monaghan v Cavan. I think you've lost it lad.
You had me half convinced up to that point.....
Quote from: hardstation on October 08, 2008, 11:56:19 PM
Quote from: kickingmule on October 08, 2008, 11:38:56 PM
handy enough draw for tyrone 8) ... just imagine we could have got antrim. >:( :D ;) ;)
We'd have fecking tanked yis.
jez how scary would that have been ::) ::) .... mind ya antrim are on the way up ....... to donegal 8) 8).
;) ;) ;) good jez ... everybody is too happy with the draw tonight ...... i reckon armagh should be feeling dead privleged to be meeting the all ireland champions.
mind ya .. they're in for some hiding ...
BRILLIANT DRAW!
Delighted with that! - Hope it's in Clones though!
Had mixed thoughts when the draw was made.
First reaction was, brilliant to get a rap at them. The atmosphere will be something else at this game regardless of where it is.
Second reaction was unless we change our tactics and/or bring in some new personnel we are going to to find it tough to make a game of it. Against this Tyrone team there is no way you can sit back, absorb the pressure & hope to get a few scores to win the game.
BTW, did anyone else notice that when Tyrone were pulled out first Danny didnt spin the box & pulled out Armagh right away. In fact Danny was pulled on this (think by Marty) after Armagh were read out & told he had to spin the box.
Conspiracy theory :o
This will be a long thread but at least it will put a swift end to the Armagh threads that would have followed if they had got Antrim or Cavan. ;)
QuoteFrom Paddypower
Tyrone to win the 2009 All Ireland 7-2
Holey Moley, that's short odds.
No chance that'll be in Clones, Tyrone wont give up home advantage and neither they should.
I wouldn't be afraid of Tyrone at this stage of the champ, they are only decent with a bit of momentum behind them. Armagh by 4.
This is the team i would like to see, i know its a bit early but i suppose thats what the threads for
C Mc Kinney
A Mallon
B Donaghy
F Mo
A Kernan
C Mc Keever
P Duffy
C Vernon
K Toner
M O R
B Mallon
Shorty Clarke
T Kernan
Clarkie
Stevie
It's great to see Armagh drawing Tyrone on the 25th anniversary of their annihilation by the best footballer either county has produced, Frank 'the king' McGuigan, sending Armagh football into a spiral of decline & depression for 15 years.
Armagh should be genuinely happy with this draw since the first round of Ulster has been the only time they have produced better football than Tyrone for 7 years!
Prediction - Mickey to send out some of the minors, while resting the 3xAIs until the summer. Tyrone to win by 2 but if not sure MH will just be as happy with the scenic route!
Quote from: Over the Bar on October 09, 2008, 08:51:30 AM
QuoteFrom Paddypower
Tyrone to win the 2009 All Ireland 7-2
Holey Moley, that's short odds.
Thats a great price for the self proclaimed team of the decade ;)
Lump on
I'd swap Charlie with Shorty... & find anothe midfielder during the league, if Floppy retires (I've heard he isn't!! - not confirmed though!)
Havent heard any word on Floppy, but would rather see Armagh lining without him, we need to get a new team built, and he aint going to be round much longer so from Mc Kenna cup and league, we need to get a steady team,
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on October 09, 2008, 09:07:53 AM
I'd swap Charlie with Shorty... & find anothe midfielder during the league, if Floppy retires (I've heard he isn't!! - not confirmed though!)
Thought he would have been concentrating on the club this year in Div 2.
Mind you, Armagh could still do with him, doesnt seem to be any replacements as yet :-\
hopefully we will get within 10 points of the tyronnies who are undoubtedly the greatest gaelic foot ball team ever assembled, I would expect armagh fans to give these Tyrone superheroes a rousing cheer on their way to another sam and be just glad we are allowed to be on the same field as them
on a separate note cant wait for it has to be clones ( bring back big barry duffy) ;D
I noted on RTE last evening that full time numpty and would-be GAA president Jarlath Burns has stated that Clones is the only possible venue for this game. In the previous sentence he stated that it would have been good if Armagh had gotten a home draw to re-open the Athletic Grounds.
Idiot.
I'm backing Tyrone because of this blatant campaign to take home advantage from them and give what is effectively a home tie to the second team pulled out of the hat.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on October 09, 2008, 10:03:28 AM
I noted on RTE last evening that full time numpty and would-be GAA president Jarlath Burns has stated that Clones is the only possible venue for this game. In the previous sentence he stated that it would have been good if Armagh had gotten a home draw to re-open the Athletic Grounds.
Idiot.
I'm backing Tyrone because of this blatant campaign to take home advantage from them and give what is effectively a home tie to the second team pulled out of the hat.
Dont take it personal Saffron, Is it possible he made a mistake,
Quote from: Onion Bag on October 09, 2008, 10:05:15 AM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on October 09, 2008, 10:03:28 AM
I noted on RTE last evening that full time numpty and would-be GAA president Jarlath Burns has stated that Clones is the only possible venue for this game. In the previous sentence he stated that it would have been good if Armagh had gotten a home draw to re-open the Athletic Grounds.
Idiot.
I'm backing Tyrone because of this blatant campaign to take home advantage from them and give what is effectively a home tie to the second team pulled out of the hat.
Dont take it personal Saffron, Is it possible he made a mistake,
Never thoguht of that. It is quite possible though, given the rank amateurism of the whole draw. An absolutely shocking and appalling effort from both the GAA and RTE.
However, I don't think Mr Burns makes mistakes like that. I think he might have gone on to say that if the game in Clones finished level, then the replay would be at the Athletic Grounds, only they pulled the microphone away from him just in time. Possibly.
This draw could be a potential banana skin for Tyrone.
What he meant was he would have loved to have had it in the Athletic grounds but Clones is the best possible option
Quote from: Onion Bag on October 09, 2008, 09:02:51 AM
This is the team i would like to see, i know its a bit early but i suppose thats what the threads for
C Mc Kinney
A Mallon
B Donaghy
F Mo
A Kernan
C Mc Keever
P Duffy
C Vernon
K Toner
M O R
B Mallon
Shorty Clarke
T Kernan
Clarkie
Stevie
There is exactly a 0% chance of that team ahppening, some of them boys won't even be on the panel one way or another.
Ok corn, give it a shot, who of that 15 wont be on the panel?
Going to ask you the same question corn
I would say all of them 15 will be on the panel
There is 3 of the 15 there that I would be surprised to see on the panel.
If I was to hazard a guess at the 15 that take to the field (totally impossile btw) I would say:
Hearty
Mallon Donaghy Finn Mo
AK AOR C McKeever
P McGrane Toner
MOR SK Mallon
MORjr Clarke McDonnell.
QuoteI'm backing Tyrone because of this blatant campaign to take home advantage from them
Tyrone's recent record in Omagh in the Ulster championship is in fact nothing special. But as a general point I do not think the GAA should discourage people from attending games. Ready access to big games is the one advantage the GAA has in the hearts and minds battle against the Premiership etc. Games should not be just seen an assembly of the "worthy" GAA people, people should have the opportunity to bring along the kids etc.
There is no hope in hell it will be Omagh. 97 last time they played there?
Supply and demand. Clones it will be.
Quote from: corn02 on October 09, 2008, 10:59:39 AM
There is 3 of the 15 there that I would be surprised to see on the panel.
If I was to hazard a guess at the 15 that take to the field (totally impossile btw) I would say:
Hearty
Mallon Donaghy Finn Mo
AK AOR C McKeever
P McGrane Toner
MOR SK Mallon
MORjr Clarke McDonnell.
Hearty?- no way the mans a disaster
AOR,- done, too slow
P Mc Grane, -same as AOR
SK, -not good enough for a starting 15
MOR Jr,- Well to be honest i havent seen enough of him, so maybe he will make it, (Have you got your dromintee glasses on, 3 o rourkes)
Quote from: saffron sam2 on October 09, 2008, 10:11:26 AM
Quote from: Onion Bag on October 09, 2008, 10:05:15 AM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on October 09, 2008, 10:03:28 AM
I noted on RTE last evening that full time numpty and would-be GAA president Jarlath Burns has stated that Clones is the only possible venue for this game. In the previous sentence he stated that it would have been good if Armagh had gotten a home draw to re-open the Athletic Grounds.
Idiot.
I'm backing Tyrone because of this blatant campaign to take home advantage from them and give what is effectively a home tie to the second team pulled out of the hat.
Dont take it personal Saffron, Is it possible he made a mistake,
Never thoguht of that. It is quite possible though, given the rank amateurism of the whole draw. An absolutely shocking and appalling effort from both the GAA and RTE.
However, I don't think Mr Burns makes mistakes like that. I think he might have gone on to say that if the game in Clones finished level, then the replay would be at the Athletic Grounds, only they pulled the microphone away from him just in time. Possibly.
Burns also stated that Armagh will relish the chance of relinquishing Tyrone of their All-Ireland crown. Unless he knows something we don't...he should never appear on TV again and be sent to pick apples in Clonmore for the forseeable future.
O neill, hes a tv pundit, he has to say these sort of things to make it interesting and get people talking, and he has certainly done a good job
Quote from: Onion Bag on October 09, 2008, 11:09:21 AM
Quote from: corn02 on October 09, 2008, 10:59:39 AM
There is 3 of the 15 there that I would be surprised to see on the panel.
If I was to hazard a guess at the 15 that take to the field (totally impossile btw) I would say:
Hearty
Mallon Donaghy Finn Mo
AK AOR C McKeever
P McGrane Toner
MOR SK Mallon
MORjr Clarke McDonnell.
Hearty?- no way the mans a disaster
AOR,- done, too slow
P Mc Grane, -same as AOR
SK, -not good enough for a starting 15
MOR Jr,- Well to be honest i havent seen enough of him, so maybe he will make it, (Have you got your dromintee glasses on, 3 o rourkes)
Well seeing as two played every match last year and the other was pushing it is hardly Dromintee glasses is it now? I didn't say it was the team I wanted , more the team I expected. Your analysis of the players is a jokeby the way. AOR and Paul McGrane were two of our best players last year while SK did his reputation no harm.
Jaysus, there is still some boys on here who have a thing about SK
First it was his Da, now he simply isnt good enough
He is well entitled to his place on the starting 15 after some of his performances this year
I think Big Paul was named MOTM in 2 of the games anyway.
Considering how well Ronan Clarke played this year, I think that outlines how well he played this year!
Quote from: corn02 on October 09, 2008, 11:20:51 AM
Quote from: Onion Bag on October 09, 2008, 11:09:21 AM
Quote from: corn02 on October 09, 2008, 10:59:39 AM
There is 3 of the 15 there that I would be surprised to see on the panel.
If I was to hazard a guess at the 15 that take to the field (totally impossile btw) I would say:
Hearty
Mallon Donaghy Finn Mo
AK AOR C McKeever
P McGrane Toner
MOR SK Mallon
MORjr Clarke McDonnell.
Hearty?- no way the mans a disaster
AOR,- done, too slow
P Mc Grane, -same as AOR
SK, -not good enough for a starting 15
MOR Jr,- Well to be honest i havent seen enough of him, so maybe he will make it, (Have you got your dromintee glasses on, 3 o rourkes)
Well seeing as two played every match last year and the other was pushing it is hardly Dromintee glasses is it now? I didn't say it was the team I wanted , more the team I expected. Your analysis of the players is a jokeby the way. AOR and Paul McGrane were two of our best players last year while SK did his reputation no harm.
SK did his reputation no harm? were u at croke park against wexford, AOR and Mc Grane did play well last year, agreed! but im thinking going forward we need to build a younger fresher team fit for the full 70 mins, AOR stood round playing a sweeper role and done the job well to a certain extent, and mc grane ran out of steam in the last 5-10mins of the games, apart from ulster final replay. the game plan needs to change as do the personnel, and with this game plane, AOR and Mc Grane wouldnt have the legs for it
So SK, AOR, MC GRANE, AND HEARTY will have to be content with sitting on the sidelines, (Again only my opinion, your team maybe right)
BTW it was only a wee dig about the dromintee glasses ;)
Quote from: corn02 on October 09, 2008, 11:05:23 AM
There is no hope in hell it will be Omagh. 97 last time they played there?
Supply and demand. Clones it will be.
Dunno corn, precedent being Ballybofey last year, the Ulster Council ignored the fact that they could've got more into Clones. I've no problem in going to Omagh, sure didn't Derry beat them convincingly there and Down drew there in the summer.......not exactly a fortress, is it? ;) ;)
Onion Bag, I know we're all looking to move away from the overly defensive tactics of this year but playing paul Duffy and AK as wing backs is a step too far, and you just have to be an Ogs man to justify Shorty Clarke in the HF line.
Not an Ogs man, I had 2-3 different men in my head, Nippy Swift, SK, Shorty, but i just stuck him down, I was just to trying to emphasis the fact that we need to get away from that shite last year, we struggled to win an Ulster and we had to be Cavan, down and Fermangh, had we been at the other side of the draw, there would have been no Ulster
Quote from: Onion Bag on October 09, 2008, 11:29:08 AM
Quote from: corn02 on October 09, 2008, 11:20:51 AM
Quote from: Onion Bag on October 09, 2008, 11:09:21 AM
Quote from: corn02 on October 09, 2008, 10:59:39 AM
There is 3 of the 15 there that I would be surprised to see on the panel.
If I was to hazard a guess at the 15 that take to the field (totally impossile btw) I would say:
Hearty
Mallon Donaghy Finn Mo
AK AOR C McKeever
P McGrane Toner
MOR SK Mallon
MORjr Clarke McDonnell.
Hearty?- no way the mans a disaster
AOR,- done, too slow
P Mc Grane, -same as AOR
SK, -not good enough for a starting 15
MOR Jr,- Well to be honest i havent seen enough of him, so maybe he will make it, (Have you got your dromintee glasses on, 3 o rourkes)
Well seeing as two played every match last year and the other was pushing it is hardly Dromintee glasses is it now? I didn't say it was the team I wanted , more the team I expected. Your analysis of the players is a jokeby the way. AOR and Paul McGrane were two of our best players last year while SK did his reputation no harm.
SK did his reputation no harm? were u at croke park against wexford, AOR and Mc Grane did play well last year, agreed! but im thinking going forward we need to build a younger fresher team fit for the full 70 mins, AOR stood round playing a sweeper role and done the job well to a certain extent, and mc grane ran out of steam in the last 5-10mins of the games, apart from ulster final replay. the game plan needs to change as do the personnel, and with this game plane, AOR and Mc Grane wouldnt have the legs for it
So SK, AOR, MC GRANE, AND HEARTY will have to be content with sitting on the sidelines, (Again only my opinion, your team maybe right)
BTW it was only a wee dig about the dromintee glasses ;)
Fair points but SK did play suprebly in the league and started the Championship very well. By no means has he guaranteed a slot but I think he should be there or thereabouts. The game plan certainly needs to change - agree with that. Re: McGrane running out of steam in last 5/10 minds - ithink it was more his partner was marked absent and this affected McGrane's game. Granted Toner had a broken bone but it left McGrane wih a lot to do.
Mackers, another fair point. But the Ballybofey thing was either 16k or whatever in Ballybofey or 20, 21k in Clones. Tyrone v Armagh would put 30 k in Clones - I seen no other venue getting the nod except perhaps Casement.
Armagh and Tyrone had 31k in the first round in 2002, they even had 20k in the McKenna cup in Casement!!
What new faces are likely to appear on the Armagh team, will Lavery be fit and in contention?
The lure of beating Tyrone in their backyard will probably stave off a few retirements - unfortunately IMO, I reckon it's time to move on without the likes of AOR and MCGrane(brilliant servants and all that they have been). We have to think longterm, if Tyrone beat us, so what, it would probably do us favour in the long run.
I would be happy with Casement, means just a wee walk to get to the match instead of having to work out some way to get to Clones. Omagh I could head home and just bus it up from there.
Quote from: full back on October 09, 2008, 11:22:54 AM
Jaysus, there is still some boys on here who have a thing about SK
First it was his Da, now he simply isnt good enough
He is well entitled to his place on the starting 15 after some of his performances this year
sorry sk for me doesnt do enuff to justify starting,i believe he is in all liklyhood a 20 min man when the game gets stretched and he has more time on the ball, I also feel that AOR as a sweeper doent cut it anymore we need 15 guys who are comfortable on the ball and mobile so aor has to go. am missing a half back , but have hopes for mc clelland or maybe dyas will come home
mc kinney
am bellew fm/ferris
mc keever donaghy
toner /mc kenna/ or lavery
akernan, mc grane mallon
mor clarke mc donnell
Quote from: bennydorano on October 09, 2008, 11:43:39 AM
The lure of beating Tyrone in their backyard will probably stave off a few retirements - unfortunately IMO, I reckon it's time to move on without the likes of AOR and MCGrane(brilliant servants and all that they have been). We have to think longterm, if Tyrone beat us, so what, it would probably do us favour in the long run.
This is what i have been saying benny, we have to rebuild, If cross happen to win the Armagh c'ship, and get into Ulster, i know i shouldnt be saying this but i hope they dont get a run in Ulster, coz it will release the county boys to get stuck in, rather than coming in late
Quote from: bennydorano on October 09, 2008, 11:43:39 AM
The lure of beating Tyrone in their backyard will probably stave off a few retirements - unfortunately IMO, I reckon it's time to move on without the likes of AOR and MCGrane(brilliant servants and all that they have been). We have to think longterm, if Tyrone beat us, so what, it would probably do us favour in the long run.
That's ok if we have the replacements! (Next year's league is going to be very interesting!)
IMO we can replace AOR with McKeever or Vernon.
Francie can be replaced with Donaghy
Whether or not Lavery, McKenna or Nippy, is ready to step up is questionable! (I hope they are!)
I reckon Courtney is probably too small for County midfield, though Tyrone won an AI with a relatively small midfield! – Mobility maybe the way forward!
I'm not sure about Gareth O'Neill?
I know what you are saying Onion Bag,
but FFS according to some of the boys here AK is the only Cross man guaranteed his place on the team next year from Cross :o
The jury is still out on Gareth o nEILL,
Goats, what is Courtney like, never seen him in action,
We need someone with a great engine and who can also take scores, Toner will do the donkey work and field, seen him against the Ogs , he give an exibition of fielding but to be honest to didnt offer anything else, he is your old school type player, "Catch and Kick" if you watched The Tyrone Midfield, Holmes Knocked round the middle and Mc Ginley done the running and took a couple of lovely points, something that we need
Quote from: full back on October 09, 2008, 11:55:03 AM
I know what you are saying Onion Bag,
but FFS according to some of the boys here AK is the only Cross man guaranteed his place on the team next year from Cross :o
I would also have T Kernan there or thereabouts on the team as well for his dead ball kicking, and he also has a lot more to offer,
S kernan, P hearty, Bellew,
Quote from: full back on October 09, 2008, 11:55:03 AM
I know what you are saying Onion Bag,
but FFS according to some of the boys here AK is the only Cross man guaranteed his place on the team next year from Cross :o
That's actually not too far off the mark.
The Cross boys 08 - The four Kernans, Oisin, Bellew, Hearty, McKenna. Anyone else?
AK- certain starter
SK - should start
TK- probaby start
PK- won't start
Oisin - retired
Bellew- likely to retire
Hearty - could retire, if not should be a certain start
McKenna - good chance of playing a fair bit, but Lavery/ONeill will push as well.
So it is not a dig at Cross player, just how it is likely to pan out.
First off, i'll say straight away, this is my team probably with the Harps tinted glasses on...
McKinney,
Mallon Donaghy Finn
AK Vernon McKeever
Toner Lavery
MOR Nippy Mallon
Stevie Clarke TK
I would justify Nippy's inclusion simply on his performances for Harps in this year's championship, he was fantastic in all 3 games, stand out player for the Harps. Let's face it, noone has set the world alight for Armagh so maybe we should look to see who is performing in the club championship?
And as for Vernon, CHB is where he has always impressed me most from Armagh and Harps minors, through U21 up to Senior club level. I am led to believe AOR has jacked it in which would free up this space, and of the other candidates i think Vernon is best suited. McKeever is probably our best marker e.g. the job he done on Benny Coulter this year, but I don't have to make these kinds of decisions, il leave that to Peter
QuoteGoats, what is Courtney like, never seen him in action,
Paul is a super footballer. He's been Ballyhegan's most important and best player, IMO, for the last 3 seasons, ahead of both Paddy McKeever & Paul McGrane.
He's got good hands, a huge kick & a great engine. His work ethic & discipline is first class, which I reckon Peter will appreciate.
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on October 09, 2008, 11:53:33 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on October 09, 2008, 11:43:39 AM
The lure of beating Tyrone in their backyard will probably stave off a few retirements - unfortunately IMO, I reckon it's time to move on without the likes of AOR and MCGrane(brilliant servants and all that they have been). We have to think longterm, if Tyrone beat us, so what, it would probably do us favour in the long run.
That's ok if we have the replacements! (Next year's league is going to be very interesting!)
IMO we can replace AOR with McKeever or Vernon.
Francie can be replaced with Donaghy
Whether or not Lavery, McKenna or Nippy, is ready to step up is questionable! (I hope they are!)
I reckon Courtney is probably too small for County midfield, though Tyrone won an AI with a relatively small midfield! – Mobility maybe the way forward!
I'm not sure about Gareth O'Neill?
Sure what would a Moy man know about Armagh players? You should stick to analysing your own team and leave the Armagh team to the Armagh poster!
;)
Quote from: tbrick18 on October 09, 2008, 12:29:08 PM
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on October 09, 2008, 11:53:33 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on October 09, 2008, 11:43:39 AM
The lure of beating Tyrone in their backyard will probably stave off a few retirements - unfortunately IMO, I reckon it's time to move on without the likes of AOR and MCGrane(brilliant servants and all that they have been). We have to think longterm, if Tyrone beat us, so what, it would probably do us favour in the long run.
That's ok if we have the replacements! (Next year's league is going to be very interesting!)
IMO we can replace AOR with McKeever or Vernon.
Francie can be replaced with Donaghy
Whether or not Lavery, McKenna or Nippy, is ready to step up is questionable! (I hope they are!)
I reckon Courtney is probably too small for County midfield, though Tyrone won an AI with a relatively small midfield! – Mobility maybe the way forward!
I'm not sure about Gareth O'Neill?
Sure what would a Moy man know about Armagh players? You should stick to analysing your own team and leave the Armagh team to the Armagh poster!
;)
Says the Draperstown reject found in Moygashel, does that make you Eglish, Clarkes, Killyman, Moy...?
You stopped celebrating from the AI win?
out of curiosity goats, how many league games has mcgrane played for the davitts in say............................6 years?
would it be double figures?
Quote from: Final Whistle on October 09, 2008, 12:34:54 PM
out of curiosity goats, how many league games has mcgrane played for the davitts in say............................6 years?
would it be double figures?
He got a right few in last year! :D
We've missed him & Paddy badly over the years, now Courtney too. Though promotion back to the 2nd division looks good!
That would be Ballinascreen to you goatsy!
I might be living in tyrone but I'm still flying the Derry flag...even if I did have a small celebration when the Tirronies won...just for a second.
How many Tyrone/Moy games were you at this year? You'll have to get to the occassional Armagh match next year...better go to the league games cause ye wont get too many championship matches. ;)
Oh and if I was allowed to use all 5 subs they would be (in no particular order)
- Courtney
- Ferris
- Duffy
- Shorty
- SK
I'd like to see young Forker step up in the league this year also.
Hopefully Peader Toal will make a stab at it too - possible the most naturally gifted player in Armagh?
Kevin Kelly bound to get a McKenna Cup call?
I love the irony of it. Bunch of lads here giving out to the Dublin ones complaining that they can't use Parnell Park for the opening of the League over Croke Park.
Personally I'd love it if it was Healy Park, but I'm not going to cry if it's Clones. However if it's a draw, home advantage should be given back to Tyrone ;)
Mention on Radio Ulster this morning that Croker could even be in the running for this. I don't think there's any chance of it being in anywhere smaller than Clones. If it's not going to be in Omagh or Armagh, they're not going to have it in Casement either.
Quote from: Mac Eoghain on October 09, 2008, 01:27:15 PM
QuoteMention on Radio Ulster this morning that Croker could even be in the running for this.
I wouldnt be too worried what Eoin McLove Austin O'Callaghan thinks.
I think it was Brain Canavan who mentioned it.
Put it in Croker surely but night time under floodies.
When we ask why Kerry won so many all irelands as opposed to others we must look at the plight of others - thats some draw for Tyrone who will need to hit the ground at 100 % to get out of this one.
Ayh, would stand to reason given that Casement was packed when they met there in the McKenna Cup in January 06!!
QuotePut it in Croker surely but night time under floodies.
In May? You'd need to be playing it at 10pm!
The back door definitely does take the edge off it. Having won 2 All-Irelands through the posterior, Tyrone will not worry too much if they have to go down that route. If there was no second chance, imagine: the atmosphere; the build-up; the tense matchday behaviour; street fights before, during, and after; divorces; heart attacks; the elation of winning; the total suicidal despair of defeat and facing a summer shopping. I miss the suicidal feeling.
Recent SFC meetings:
2005 - AISF - Armagh edge Tyrone for most of the game and on 63 mins Clarke bombs over another point to put the Ulster title holders within touching distance of a beating by the Kingdom. Clarke wheels away, frowning, looking around him for someone who isn't there as he often does when he scores, hands on hips. Joe hauls Geezer off.
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40762000/jpg/_40762952_pgkernanpoint.jpg)
2005 USFC Final replay - Tyrone seem to be finishing off the original business when Collins gets the nod from Kernan and sends off Canavan and O'Neill. Geezer collects the trophy and points to the man Clarke was looking for.
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41340000/jpg/_41340821_kieran_270.jpg)
2005 USFC Final - O'Neill leads Bellew on a merry dance as Kernan sits back and decides to teach Francie a lesson. Tyrone completely obliterate Armagh apart from on the scoreboard. Match ends all square as O'Neill leaves the field shaking his head at having to replay the game as he'd already organised a rave in Donemana.
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41289000/jpg/_41289121_pgtyronewoe.jpg)
2003 - AIF - Not a classic but McGuigan puts Geezer on his hole with a wiggle of his sizeable rump. Peter takes Sam to throne.
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39390000/jpg/_39390222_canavan_cup_203.jpg)
2002 - Ulster Round 1 replay. Peter doesn't play due to auditions for Willie Wonka. Barry Duffy leaves the circus unattended and sends Armagh hurtling towards the All-Ireland as Tyrone head to Wexford.
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38027000/jpg/_38027740_brian_duffygoal300.jpg)
2002 - Ulster Round 1 - Thornton misses.
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1995000/images/_1997181_peter_canavan_tyrone150.jpg)
2001 - Ulster Round 1 - Mugsy goals after 13 seconds. Teague hasn't hurt his arm yet.
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1340000/images/_1341339_teague150.jpg)
It would do Kevin Kelly the world of good to get called up for the McKenna Cup confidence wise, but honestly I think he just falls short of National League standard. While great (usually, bit of a blip on Sunday) from the dead ball, don't think he contributes enough from open play to justify a run in the NFL when there are players like Shorty Clarke etc who run the game when playing for their club. Would be delighted to see him get a chance though.
what about the young lad from Madden who played for Armaghagainst Ulster can anyone give us an insight into his chances of playing for the county
Joe Feeney - very good player!
Feeney is certainly one for the future. Absolutly ate us in the U21s this year. Was at the AFL trials recently. Only 19 i think, so plenty of time.
Play it in Croke. Sure Tyrone have played more there than any other ground this last few years so it would be like a home match for them ;)
All this talk about age and looking to the future is crap. you put the best 15 players suited to how you want to play on the field any given day. if they're all 35 i couldn't give a shite. the natural evolvement of any team means that in 6 months or a year then 1 or 2 may have improved enough and 1 or 2 deteriorated enough to mitigate a different 15 names. you win championships by putting the best 15 out to win every match not weakening yourself by putting some cub with potential in before he's earned it.
should tyrone dump dooher and holmes? mickey harte is smarter than that
Quote from: The GAA on October 09, 2008, 04:25:41 PM
All this talk about age and looking to the future is crap. you put the best 15 players suited to how you want to play on the field any given day. if they're all 35 i couldn't give a shite. the natural evolvement of any team means that in 6 months or a year then 1 or 2 may have improved enough and 1 or 2 deteriorated enough to mitigate a different 15 names. you win championships by putting the best 15 out to win every match not weakening yourself by putting some cub with potential in before he's earned it.
should tyrone dump dooher and holmes? mickey harte is smarter than that
Exactly.
Quoteshould tyrone dump dooher and holmes? mickey harte is smarter than that
Holmes definitely given his Armagh connections...........
I remember in 2001 Decy McCrossan having a stormer.
9 pages in one day - not bad -
Where will it finish ??
Quote from: The GAA on October 09, 2008, 04:25:41 PM
All this talk about age and looking to the future is crap. you put the best 15 players suited to how you want to play on the field any given day. if they're all 35 i couldn't give a shite. the natural evolvement of any team means that in 6 months or a year then 1 or 2 may have improved enough and 1 or 2 deteriorated enough to mitigate a different 15 names. you win championships by putting the best 15 out to win every match not weakening yourself by putting some cub with potential in before he's earned it.
should tyrone dump dooher and holmes? mickey harte is smarter than that
Thats the problem GAA, its the way we are playing, our tactics at the min cannot and will not win any prizes, so what PMCD needs to do is change the style and the personnel to play the way we need to be playing, and the way we need to be playing, we cannot afford to be carrying anyone,
In relation to Brian Dooher, well the man is something else, something special, age is not an issue with him.
but there is an age issue with AOR, Mc Grane, Bellew, etc. they simply dont have the legs,
Mc Donnell has a shit load of work to do before this one. The thoughts of the damage Cavanagh would do to Bellew on a one on situation is frigtening. Francies heart may still be willing but the legs are unfortunataley gone.
Mc Grane and AOR will be difficult to replace and the reality is that the quality just isnt there at the moment.
Cant see anything other than Tyrone winning this with a bit to spare.
Great draw. Will be some build up to this game in the months leading up to it. I'd say it will be in clones. Think Omagh is just to small for this one. Croke Park would be a very long shot Id say. Though if they made the decision early and released the tickets a few months in advance with a big marketing campaign you'd be suprised how big a crowd they could get. Would be a great way to launch the championship instead of some of the openers in previous years. Fermanagh Down could be the curtain raiser.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on October 08, 2008, 08:46:12 PM
As its the Ulster Championship its only rightful that Tyrone provide a Guard of Honour for the reigning Ulster Champions, and maybe parade their All Ireland medals and Sam in the process?
i agree!!
Tyrone county board and the Ulster Council should apply now
for this match to be played in Croke Park, a great advertisement
for our game with 60 to 70 thousand able to see it without any
hassel for tickets.
QuoteFermanagh Down could be the curtain raiser.
A double bill in Croker would indeed be an intriguing prospect. Fermanagh v Down is the preliminary round, so the dates mightn't suit. The game between the winners of this and Cavan might be a good one. Have Cavan played in Croke Pk since its redesign?
Quote from: sean og on October 09, 2008, 08:20:56 PM
Tyrone county board and the Ulster Council should apply now
for this match to be played in Croke Park, a great advertisement
for our game with 60 to 70 thousand able to see it without any
hassel for tickets.
You will have to get permission off the Dubs seeing as it's their home ground. :P
Quote from: armaghniac on October 09, 2008, 09:00:49 PM
QuoteFermanagh Down could be the curtain raiser.
A double bill in Croker would indeed be an intriguing prospect. Fermanagh v Down is the preliminary round, so the dates mightn't suit. The game between the winners of this and Cavan might be a good one. Have Cavan played in Croke Pk since its redesign?
You could also have two other lesser teams like, say Dublin v Meath as a curtain raiser!
Quote from: armaghniac on October 09, 2008, 09:00:49 PM
QuoteFermanagh Down could be the curtain raiser.
A double bill in Croker would indeed be an intriguing prospect. Fermanagh v Down is the preliminary round, so the dates mightn't suit. The game between the winners of this and Cavan might be a good one. Have Cavan played in Croke Pk since its redesign?
2007's Division 2 semi-final - beaten by Roscommon.
QuoteHave Cavan played in Croke Pk since its redesign?
Yer a right cheeky hoor! They were Ulster champions in 1997! I watched them in the AISF from the premium level.
Quote from: Over the Bar on October 09, 2008, 11:13:39 PM
QuoteHave Cavan played in Croke Pk since its redesign?
Yer a right cheeky hoor! They were Ulster champions in 1997! I watched them in the AISF from the premium level.
That was the "old" Croke Park though. The old Hogan Stand was still there in at least 1999 and was I think demolished by 2000 as I remember the Cross club final of that year being played in front of half a building site.
Was it 2001 or 2002 the re-design was completed? (Bar the Hill)
Quote from: AFS on October 09, 2008, 11:32:03 PM
...It was suggested that some of the more high profile first round encounters should be shuffled to the top of the fixture schedule, within reason, in order to produce a high publicity, highly marketable kick start to the championship season. Next year we have an ideal opportunity to do this with a massive Armagh-Tyrone clash, which will be scheduled to be one of the summer's first games anyway, and grab everyone's attention from the first possible minute.
Well done Danny (Murphy). Great manoeuvrings on the draw, by the way! ;)
Tony Davis won't be watching anyway.
Tyrone may opt to play big game in Omagh
INITIAL INDICATIONS are that next year's big Tyrone-Armagh championship fixture will not be going to Croke Park. In the past four years the Ulster Council has staged some of its finals in Dublin to satisfy public demand for tickets, including the 2005 draw and replay between the two counties in question.
But according to Ulster Council secretary Danny Murphy, the provincial authority doesn't have the final say in where fixtures up to the semi-finals stage are played.
"Based on precedent the first county drawn out is allowed to play at home so Tyrone have the right to stage the match in Healy Park, Omagh provided the ground can take the fixture without restriction or as an all-ticket game. The standard is set at 20,000 and Omagh is capable of taking around that."
Although the Tyrone County Board hasn't formally considered the issue yet, county PRO Damien Harvey said last night there was a view in the county that home advantage should be availed of.
"We have spent a lot of money on Omagh and initial thoughts are, even though we haven't met in committee that we would like to stage the fixture there. Obviously there is the consideration that we would like to facilitate as many people as possible but you can't tell what the interest will be in nine months' time."
Nonetheless the meeting of the All-Ireland champions and the Ulster champions would appear to have a sizeable appeal, assuming neither has a catastrophic National League campaign.
When the counties met in 2005 at Croke Park the attendance at the drawn match was 61,000 but the replay the following Saturday week attracted just 32,000. A month later when the counties met again in a classic All-Ireland semi-final, a crowd of 65,858 attended.
Ulster Council, according to Murphy, is close to completing its fixture list so a decision is expected soon. "Our fixtures will be signed off by next Thursday," he said. "The complete programme is at an advanced stage of drafting."
Meanwhile in Leinster, in the other high-profile fixture to emerge from Wednesday's draw, Dublin-Meath, there will be no repeat of the counties' legendary four-match epic in 1991.
"This time," according to Leinster chief executive Michael Delaney, "there won't be a replay if the sides are level, as congress decided that there had to be extra time so chances are that it will be decided on the day."
The provision was agreed at last January's special congress and governs all senior intercounty championship matches up to semi-final stage.
Delaney also said that the council is almost certain to retain the provincial hurling final in Croke Park and was even contemplating returning the semi-finals to the venue. This year's Kilkenny-Wexford decider attracted fewer than 20,000 to the stadium and it emerged that Leinster had come close to relocating the match to another venue for the first time in 47 years.
Next season will see Antrim and Galway in the Leinster championship for the first time and the hoped-for additional interest is enough to persuade the council to leave the final in Croke Park for another year at least.
"We have to book it in advance anyway," said Delaney, "and we'd be hopeful that there'd be better interest in it than there was during the summer. We'll be making the semi-final draw after the quarter-finals and with it being Kilkenny's first match as All-Ireland champions and potentially Galway being drawn against them we have to consider Croke Park for the semi-finals."
For the past three seasons the Leinster semi-finals have been held in provincial venues.
Tyrone's All-Ireland winning captain Brian Dooher has given the strongest indication to date that he will be back for another season with the county in 2009. Dooher (33) said yesterday he has made no decision about whether he will embark on a 14th campaign, but remaining injury-free over the next few months will be a major factor.
"We'll see what happens with injuries and stuff like that there first. If I get myself injured, I have to get injuries cleared up, then decide over the winter. It's hard to know," he said. "I think we'll enjoy ourselves for a wee while yet, before the Tyrone boys get back together again."
Manager Mickey Harte has urged his captain to throw his weight behind Tyrone's bid to win back-to-back titles next year.
For the moment Dooher is concentrating on helping his club, Clan na nGael, win promotion back to senior football in Tyrone.
I vote we forfeit the game and get into the qualifiers as soon as possible.
Croke Park would swing the game in favour of Tyrone I think. They always play well there.
Not sure why they would want to play in Omagh their recoed there in championship games is pretty poor, think Derry in 2006, Down this year
and the performance v westmeath wasnt exactly great either. Clones no doubt would favour Armagh as its more or less their home venue in recent years. I think the wide open spaces of croker would best suite tyrone.
Quote from: sam03/05 on October 11, 2008, 09:02:51 AM
Croke Park would swing the game in favour of Tyrone I think. They always play well there.
Not sure why they would want to play in Omagh their recoed there in championship games is pretty poor, think Derry in 2006, Down this year
and the performance v westmeath wasnt exactly great either. Clones no doubt would favour Armagh as its more or less their home venue in recent years. I think the wide open spaces of croker would best suite tyrone.
Don't think the venue for this tie will be a factor, Armagh have a very good record at Croke Park also, Tyrone are used to Clones ............ no advantage to be had for either team.
omagh is the worse playing surface i've ever seen .... uneven .. heavy in summer or winter... poor drainage ..... its killing tyrone's style of play!
past results are showing this ... has nobody noticed???
bring it anywhere with a decent surface ... and 35000 capacity,
then game over .... tyrone will bury them!!!
Quote from: kickingmule on October 11, 2008, 11:50:30 AM
omagh is the worse playing surface i've ever seen .... uneven .. heavy in summer or winter... poor drainage ..... its killing tyrone's style of play!
past results are showing this ... has nobody noticed???
bring it anywhere with a decent surface ... and 35000 capacity,
then game over .... tyrone will bury them!!!
Weakest excuse since the wrong coloured Man Utd shirts were costing them results......... ::) ::) ::)
Players win/lose matches......not venues.........(as Tyrone have proved this year).
Quote from: mackers on October 12, 2008, 09:13:42 AM
Quote from: kickingmule on October 11, 2008, 11:50:30 AM
omagh is the worse playing surface i've ever seen .... uneven .. heavy in summer or winter... poor drainage ..... its killing tyrone's style of play!
past results are showing this ... has nobody noticed???
bring it anywhere with a decent surface ... and 35000 capacity,
then game over .... tyrone will bury them!!!
Weakest excuse since the wrong coloured Man Utd shirts were costing them results......... ::) ::) ::)
Players win/lose matches......not venues.........(as Tyrone have proved this year).
YOU'VE TOTALLY MISSED THE POINT! ........NO EXCUSE REQUIRED
MIND YOU ... i do believe armagh have changed their colour, ...whats that all about??? [ref: man utd]
anyway ... tyrone do their talking on the pitch ..... they still play in the same colours ... and are all ireland champions 2008!!! :-* :-* :-*
Peter McDonnell will be singing the old Alabama 3 hit - "Ain't going to Oma" ;D
Quote from: mackers on October 12, 2008, 09:13:42 AM
Players win/lose matches......not venues.........(as Tyrone have proved this year).
Not totally true. If it was, there would be no talk of home advantage and Tyrone would have no problem if the game could be played in Armagh.
Quote from: kickingmule on October 12, 2008, 11:15:19 AM
Quote from: mackers on October 12, 2008, 09:13:42 AM
Quote from: kickingmule on October 11, 2008, 11:50:30 AM
omagh is the worse playing surface i've ever seen .... uneven .. heavy in summer or winter... poor drainage ..... its killing tyrone's style of play!
past results are showing this ... has nobody noticed???
bring it anywhere with a decent surface ... and 35000 capacity,
then game over .... tyrone will bury them!!!
Weakest excuse since the wrong coloured Man Utd shirts were costing them results......... ::) ::) ::)
Players win/lose matches......not venues.........(as Tyrone have proved this year).
YOU'VE TOTALLY MISSED THE POINT! ........NO EXCUSE REQUIRED
MIND YOU ... i do believe armagh have changed their colour, ...whats that all about??? [ref: man utd]
anyway ... tyrone do their talking on the pitch ..... they still play in the same colours ... and are all ireland champions 2008!!! :-* :-*
WTF!! Was it the playing surface at Pairc Esler then led to Down beating ye.
Quote from: Maguire01 on October 12, 2008, 12:56:30 PM
Quote from: mackers on October 12, 2008, 09:13:42 AM
Players win/lose matches......not venues.........(as Tyrone have proved this year).
Not totally true. If it was, there would be no talk of home advantage and Tyrone would have no problem if the game could be played in Armagh.
I know it's not totally true but this poster is overstating the case...........bring it to a decent playing surface and they will "bury" us.........
The Tyrone v Armagh Ulster Minor & Senior Football Championship Quarter-Finals will take place in Healy Park, Omagh. It will be an "all-ticket" affair - End of Story!
Quote from: maggie on October 08, 2008, 09:27:02 PM
Quote from: rrhf on October 08, 2008, 09:25:19 PM
from wikipedia
Armagh known as the orchard county is filled with fruits from the North to the South. The county is one of only 3 in Ulster who have won the All ireland Championship once and there have been calls for a special award from the Queen to mark their ongoing successes in Ulster. The geographical terrain can be hilly and windy and indeed the Armagh landmass has often been described as a samlocked county due to the success of their neighbouring counties.
Good one :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
At least get the facts right, Think you will find there are 4 counties in Ulster that have won the All Ireland championship
Quote from: Lazer on October 13, 2008, 01:25:43 PM
Quote from: maggie on October 08, 2008, 09:27:02 PM
Quote from: rrhf on October 08, 2008, 09:25:19 PM
from wikipedia
Armagh known as the orchard county is filled with fruits from the North to the South. The county is one of only 3 in Ulster who have won the All ireland Championship once and there have been calls for a special award from the Queen to mark their ongoing successes in Ulster. The geographical terrain can be hilly and windy and indeed the Armagh landmass has often been described as a samlocked county due to the success of their neighbouring counties.
Good one :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
At least get the facts right, Think you will find there are 4 counties in Ulster that have won the All Ireland championship
Actually there's 6. However rrhf point was about Ulster teams only winning Sam once and by that account, 3. So you're wrong on both accounts Lazer ;)
I see Mickey Harte has said today that he would love for this match to be in croke park as part of the 125th anniversary celebrations to mark the start of the championship. Maybe its not that unrealistic.
QuoteI see Mickey Harte has said today that he would love for this match to be in croke park as part of the 125th anniversary celebrations to mark the start of the championship. Maybe its not that unrealistic.
It's bad enough having to go to Croke Park for Ulster Finals never mind first round games now.
They should play a first round game from each of the provinces in Croke Park as part of the anniversary celebrations. And not necessarily the usual suspects - are there any counties who haven't played in the 'new' Croke Park?
Quoteare there any counties who haven't played in the 'new' Croke Park?
From it was full completed, hill & nally included there must be a few. None from Leinster I'd expect but Cavan for one and possibly Leitrim and Roscommon?
Tyrone and Derry will have to wait before learning whether they have home advantage for their 2009 Ulster SFC openers against Armagh and Monaghan.
The Ulster Council's 2009 fixture list says that the Tyrone v Armagh game on 31 May will be played at either Healy Park or a neutral venue.
Ulster officials will adjudicate in the New Year on whether Healy Park can accommodate the clash of the big guns.
It's also not certain that Celtic Park will host Derry-Monaghan on 24 May.
Like the Tyrone-Armagh clash, the Ulster Council fixture lists states that Derry v Monaghan will be played at Celtic Park or an neutral location.
Ground improvement work is currently taking place at the Derry city venue and Ulster officials are expected to make a decision on that game around Easter time.
Both the Tyrone and Derry county boards will be determined to retain home advantage for both games but the Ulster Council will ultimately make the calls.
There has been media speculation that the Tyrone v Armagh game could be moved to Croke Park although Clones is probably the more likely location if the Ulster Council opt for a neutral venue.
Could be in CP yet :o
I heard that it was confirmed as being in Healy Park today...
ah i do love a match of ultimate fight like only armagh and tyrone can produce- change the chanel if its gaa your looking for
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Is your real name Shaun?
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Quote from: thehulk!! on December 08, 2008, 02:50:47 PM
ah i do love a match of ultimate fight like only armagh and tyrone can produce- change the chanel if its gaa your looking for
The latest escapee from the Hoganstand kindergarten, it would seem!
what am i supposed to say 30 lads on a field and only one could nearly be described as a footballer and thats sean cavanagh but sure he is further from the tyrone mentality than anyone, captained Ireland against his managers wishes and if what i hear is true he is the only member of the panel who refuses the booklet on the opponents personal lives, that makes him the only real gaa man in tyrone in my books, what a shame he is not from a real county
notice the post 3.30 flood of 12 year olds. jealousy gets them bad at that age!! :D
booklet :) :D ;D
Quote from: Final Whistle on December 09, 2008, 04:49:57 PM
notice the post 3.30 flood of 12 year olds. jealousy gets them bad at that age!! :D
booklet :) :D ;D
ONeill really should put matters on them in class.
No wonder he has a dislike of all things Tyrone ;)
What's this about a booklet?
Quote from: Donagh on December 09, 2008, 04:58:14 PM
What's this about a booklet?
I could be wrong, but thehulk!! is an idiot (we know that much) so i suspect he's getting it confused with Pillar's Blue Book.
has the venue for this game been decided, I know the tyrone county board declared they expected it to be in healy park but my understanding is that the ulster council had the final say.Has this happened ?
Far too early for a decision.
I would say with income down and Healy Park simple incapable of accommodating everyone who wants to see this game, it is a certainty that it will at least be moved to Clones, and very possibly Croke Park
I'd rather it was Croke Park, than Clones. Clones is home advantage for Armagh ;)
Sooner it was Healy Park though.
Quote from: ziggysego on March 25, 2009, 04:24:37 PM
I'd rather it was Croke Park, than Clones. Clones is home advantage for Armagh ;)
Sooner it was Healy Park though.
Ziggy we could have it in Mickey Harte's back garden and we'd still beat ye's :P
Quote from: ziggysego on March 25, 2009, 04:24:37 PM
I'd rather it was Croke Park, than Clones. Clones is home advantage for Armagh ;)
Sooner it was Healy Park though.
Where as Croke Park is like a home ground for Tyrone :D :D
Would like it in Omagh myself...
At this stage you're almost certainly talking Omagh or Clones - The way things are with many at the moment, I'd doubt you'd get many more going to Croke Park than a sold out Healy.
As I pointed out on another thread one of the biggest arguements against Croke Park has been the cost of families attending. However if it is in Croke Park there will be €5 tickets I would guess for children which your unlikely to get in Omagh. Would be a decent reduction if you had 2 or 3 children. Still hope the match is played anywhere but Omagh but at least its handy. I'm not sure what impact the recession will have. It was there in January and the gaa got 80,000 for Tyrone Dublin. It didnt seem to stop people out celebrating the rugby or attending big games in it.
At this stage with 2 months to go if Tyrone had a fully fit squad I'd go with following championship team:
McConnell
Ricey
Justy
Gormley
Harte
O'Neill
Jordan
Enda
Mellon
Dooher
McGuigan
Joe McMahon
O'Neill
Cavanagh
Mugsy
I would doubt we will be in a position to pick that team. Has there been any updates on McConnell,Dooher or O'Neill?
5 of that defence are probably certainties with Sean O'Neill taking the 6th poistion based on a strong league to date. They mightn't line out in those positions though. Any one of the following could be challengers McCarron, Gourley, Carlin, Swift and PJ. At midfield it looks like a straight battle between Hub and Mellon if Cavanagh stays in forwards. Midfield seems to be Mellons best position at this level and does a lot of work. Consistency could be a problem. Up front McCullagh and Tommy McGuigan wont be far away and will 1 will probably start if Dooher is out.
Dooher wont be easy to replace if he cant get fully fit. One option could be McGinley with Mellon and Hub in the middle.
Quote from: EC Unique on March 25, 2009, 05:27:25 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on March 25, 2009, 04:24:37 PM
I'd rather it was Croke Park, than Clones. Clones is home advantage for Armagh ;)
Sooner it was Healy Park though.
Where as Croke Park is like a home ground for Tyrone :D :D
Would like it in Omagh myself...
Well we do have home advantage ;)
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on March 30, 2009, 10:32:40 PM
At this stage with 2 months to go if Tyrone had a fully fit squad I'd go with following championship team:
McConnell
Ricey
Justy
Gormley
Harte
O'Neill
Jordan
Enda
Mellon
Dooher
McGuigan
Joe McMahon
O'Neill
Cavanagh
Mugsy
Yep, that'd be our strongest side. Maybe O'Neill in the corner and Gormley at CHB.
If O'Neill is fit for big performance in FF then I would love to see a midfield partnership of Cavanagh and McGinley. It would be hard to stop..
Quote from: ONeill on March 30, 2009, 10:37:30 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on March 30, 2009, 10:32:40 PM
At this stage with 2 months to go if Tyrone had a fully fit squad I'd go with following championship team:
McConnell
Ricey
Justy
Gormley
Harte
O'Neill
Jordan
Enda
Mellon
Dooher
McGuigan
Joe McMahon
O'Neill
Cavanagh
Mugsy
Yep, that'd be our strongest side. Maybe O'Neill in the corner and Gormley at CHB.
hopefully armagh can get within 10 points of undoubtedly the best team in ireland ;)
I'm just looking forward to Frank McGuigan's reception when the team of 1984 take the field!
Quote from: under the bar on March 31, 2009, 10:44:24 AM
I'm just looking forward to Frank McGuigan's reception when the team of 1984 take the field!
The Armagh fans will give them a great reception if they tog out!
Quote from: under the bar on March 31, 2009, 10:44:24 AM
I'm just looking forward to Frank McGuigan's reception when the team of 1984 take the field!
Would it not be the Ulster final that the 1984 winners would be paraded to the crowd ?
It would be in the Ulster final, and the Armagh crowd at the 2009 final will give them an appropriate greeting, there won;t be many Tyronies there, unless your minors get a run. They might as well send out McGuigan by himself, as he did more than the rest of them together.
QuoteIt would be in the Ulster final, and the Armagh crowd at the 2009 final will give them an appropriate greeting, there won;t be many Tyronies there, unless your minors get a run. They might as well send out McGuigan by himself, as he did more than the rest of them together.
Yes. The plan for 1985 onwards was just to start the game with Frank and throw the other 14 on if we needed them. You disappeared for a while tho.
fair play to mickey Harte,he is still keeping the pressure on the ulster council to play the game in croker( today`s irish star)
ncky brennan also confirming again that it is available on the date stating " we were conscious when putting the croke park programme together that wewere leaving that date open as a possibility"
Ulster council do not like being dictated to. Harte's campaign will kill the possibility of the game moving to croker i'd say
Quote from: The GAA on April 01, 2009, 10:30:09 AM
Ulster council do not like being dictated to. Harte's campaign will kill the possibility of the game moving to croker i'd say
woulsdagree with this but ulster council may see 50k paying in as against 20k paying in at omagh, its all about money
Would Armagh and Tyrone attract 50,000 or more? Probably a low turnout from Armagh, as we're not expecting much from the game.
Quote from: Armamike on April 01, 2009, 09:47:22 PM
Would Armagh and Tyrone attract 50,000 or more? Probably a low turnout from Armagh, as we're not expecting much from the game.
50000 is extremely optimistic alright. Can see 30000-35000 though, which means Clones would be a very good option I think.
With a bit of promotion it could easily attract 50,000. Its the All Ireland Champions v the Ulster Champions and Tyrone v Armagh. People would never have expected the crowds that turned up for Ulster Finals in Croke Park. The gaa would have close to 2 months to promote the game between 2 well supported counties. There has been over 30,000 at first round games between the 2 in the past and them games would not have been as high profile as this. If the tickets are well priced and family one's are widely available it could work.
Quote from: AFS on April 01, 2009, 10:14:16 PM
Quote from: Armamike on April 01, 2009, 09:47:22 PM
Would Armagh and Tyrone attract 50,000 or more? Probably a low turnout from Armagh, as we're not expecting much from the game.
50000 is extremely optimistic alright. Can see 30000-35000 though, which means Clones would be a very good option I think.
Yeah, I agree Clones rather than Croker. Croker would be too empty and that would mean no atmosphere.
People will come, Tyrone Armagh is the big draw in Ulster football right now. However you'd need another game as well to get the crowd up, I'd add in Cavan v Fermanagh/Down. Cavan don't get to HQ that often and are not that far from Dublin, they might be willing to forego home advantage.
Quote from: armaghniac on April 01, 2009, 10:51:45 PM
People will come, Tyrone Armagh is the big draw in Ulster football right now. However you'd need another game as well to get the crowd up, I'd add in Cavan v Fermanagh/Down. Cavan don't get to HQ that often and are not that far from Dublin, they might be willing to forego home advantage.
cavan have big support alright, as do the mournemen, if Armagh were playing Tyrone and cavan were playing Down the place would be packed.
That said this game should be played in Clones, if for no other reason to put that hairy bollix harte in his place, every time you turn around he is either threatening to take the GAA to court or he is looking to dictate terms, a wee bit full of himself is our mickey.
:-\
Already... we're still 2 months out Stew 8)
Quote from: Tyrones own on April 02, 2009, 01:07:23 AM
Already... we're still 2 months out Stew 8)
:D
I know, I just cant help it.......................... the thought of getting bate by Tyrone in the championship has me thinking of seeking professional help............ :P
BTW, my bro in law has sent me the same email ever since the AIF in 2003, every feckin day since Tyrone won the wrasslin match that will go down as one of the worst finals in history, it simply gives the score and the fact that Tyrone were named AI Champions that day. Today i couldnt take it any more and blocked the fcuker from sending any more messages, i will sleep easier the night. :)
One last thing, Tyrone scare me, they are feckin brilliant and odds on to win sam again. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( we will do well to keep within ten points of them.
Anyone travelling for the Mayo Vs Tyrone game and is staying on Easter Saturday night should come along to this fundraiser for The Cormac Trust.
Everyone welcome! Its should be a good night.
CORNAC TRUST/BALLINTUBBER GAA CABARET AND DRAW NIGHT
The Cormac McAnallen Trust/ and Ballintubber G.A.A Club, Fundraising Draw Finale and Cabaret Night will take place in the Welcome Inn Hotel, Castlebar on the eve of the Mayo V Tyrone game on next Saturday Night, April 11th. Music is by Phase with special guests, Philomena Begley, Comedian, Frank Forde and Mickie Harte with the Sam Maguire and Tom Markam Cups. Refreshments will be served. Doors will be open at 9pm with a Bar Extension on the night. Admission is just €10.00. Your Support would be deeply appreciated.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 01, 2009, 10:34:02 PM
With a bit of promotion it could easily attract 50,000. Its the All Ireland Champions v the Ulster Champions and Tyrone v Armagh. People would never have expected the crowds that turned up for Ulster Finals in Croke Park. The gaa would have close to 2 months to promote the game between 2 well supported counties. There has been over 30,000 at first round games between the 2 in the past and them games would not have been as high profile as this. If the tickets are well priced and family one's are widely available it could work.
I'm not so sure you can compare this to the 2001-2005 period when both teams were in the top 3 in the country and you could be sure there wouldn't be a kick of the ball between them. Expectations have slipped a bit in Armagh in the last couple of years, so naturally I'd expect some of our support to drop away too. I'm not so sure the same excitement is there in Tyrone either, especially when you read comments like those posted earlier on this thread about how yous will be in Croker later in the year anyway.
from Martin Breheny in de Indo
THE Tyrone-Armagh football championship clash on May 31 is likely to remain in Ulster, despite a claim by Mickey Harte that it would be ridiculous not to play it at Croke Park.
Tyrone are entitled to stage the game in Omagh, but Healy Park lacks the capacity to cater for the anticipated attendance which would leave many disappointed supporters from both counties watching on TV. The alternative is to switch to Clones or Croke Park, with Harte favouring the latter.
The Ulster Council has yet to decide whether to move out of Omagh but the Irish Independent understands that, if that happens, Clones rather than Croke Park is the preferred option. Harte believes that the game would draw 50,000 to Croke Park, creating a great atmosphere for one of the most eagerly awaited games in the early stages of the championship.
He also argues that players should get as many opportunities as possible to play at Croke Park and, since this fixture has the drawing power to make a switch to HQ viable, he is at a loss to understand why the decision hasn't already been taken.
The Ulster Council will finalise the venue shortly, but influential sources have revealed that there's a reluctance to take games other than the final out of the province.
The 2004 and 2006 Ulster finals between Armagh and Donegal, along with the 2005 Ulster finals (draw and replay) between Armagh and Tyrone, were played at Croke Park, drawing a total of 210,868 spectators. Depending on the pairing, there's a possibility that this year's final may also being played at Croke Park, but it appears that there's growing opposition at official level in Ulster to moving south for other games.
Harte's enthusiasm for playing at Croke Park is probably influenced by Tyrone's impressive record there since he took over for the 2003 season. The wide open spaces suit their style as they have repeatedly shown in their three successful All-Ireland campaigns in 2003, 2005 and 2008.
Ironically, they have been less formidable in Omagh, where they lost an Ulster quarter-final clash with Derry in 2006, while they drew with Down last year.
Already this year, they have lost to Kerry and Galway in Omagh.
i think the ulster council have to be diplomatic about this on, as omagh has had a lot of money spent on it over the past few years, i dont believe that it would be switched to clones but there seems to be a lot of subtle pressure being applied( ie croke park is available with both brennan and harte pushing for it etc0) to push it to croke park
the ulster council would also want to make as much cash as possible this year because there is a fair chance attendances at the other games will be down etc
what interests me at this stage is that they havent publicly come out and confirmed that the game is definitely in omagh
this will run for another week or so
dont be surprised if we see a double header in croke park with cavan/fermanagh/down
The game will not happen in Clones for sure, I would prefer it to be Omagh. If harte is actively going against Clubs wishes on this one then Id be concerned.
What are ticket prices likely to be for first round championship matches in ulster the year?
What will they be like for our southern brethren? I am hoping that the GAA will recognise that there is a recession on and that they dont price themselves out of punters attending the games live.
Quote from: stew on April 02, 2009, 05:27:54 PM
What are ticket prices likely to be for first round championship matches in ulster the year?
What will they be like for our southern brethren? I am hoping that the GAA will recognise that there is a recession on and that they dont price themselves out of punters attending the games live.
£10 or € 20 I'd say. ;)
Quote from: AFS on April 02, 2009, 11:02:47 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 01, 2009, 10:34:02 PM
With a bit of promotion it could easily attract 50,000. Its the All Ireland Champions v the Ulster Champions and Tyrone v Armagh. People would never have expected the crowds that turned up for Ulster Finals in Croke Park. The gaa would have close to 2 months to promote the game between 2 well supported counties. There has been over 30,000 at first round games between the 2 in the past and them games would not have been as high profile as this. If the tickets are well priced and family one's are widely available it could work.
I'm not so sure you can compare this to the 2001-2005 period when both teams were in the top 3 in the country and you could be sure there wouldn't be a kick of the ball between them. Expectations have slipped a bit in Armagh in the last couple of years, so naturally I'd expect some of our support to drop away too. I'm not so sure the same excitement is there in Tyrone either, especially when you read comments like those posted earlier on this thread about how yous will be in Croker later in the year anyway.
Armagh havent slipped that far away that their fans wouldnt turn up for a high profile championship match against their local rivals and current All Ireland champions. Everyone is always optimistic at the start of the campaign and given Armaghs record in Ulster they have a huge chance of winning this. Armagh fans still turned out in big numbers last year with an average attendance of close to 30,000 at their 4 ulster championship games which was high considering the opposition. Armagh have won their last 3 games 2 with young players like Vernon starting to impress. It wouldnt be too hard to attract Tyrone fans to this game either. Most people will be keen to see Tyrones first game as All Ireland champions and another battle with Armagh.
looks like the question has been answered:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7989224.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7989224.stm)
Clones to stage Tyrone-Armagh tie
Stephen O'Neill and his Tyrone colleagues will face Armagh at Clones
The Ulster Championship first-round clash between Tyrone and Armagh will be played at Clones on 31 May.
The Red Hand County were first out of the hat in the draw but Mickey Harte wanted Croke Park as the venue while the Tyrone board preferred Healy Park.
In early February, the Ulster Council indicated that they were unlikely to play the game at Croke Park.
The Ulster Council also announced on Tuesday night that Celtic Park will host the Derry v Monaghan on 24 May.
In a statement, the Ulster Council justified the decision to move the play the Tyrone-Armagh game at Clones on a number of grounds.
"The anticipated attendance is significantly in excess of the 18,500 all ticket capacity of Healy Park," said the statement.
"St Tiernach's Park, Clones provides an all ticket capacity of 33,000.
"There will be up to 10,000 seated family tickets available for this fixture at St Tiernach's Park."
The Ulster statement added that the Tyrone county board will be "compensated for the loss of ground rent that would have been due to Healy Park, Omagh for hosting the game".
In early February, Ulster Council president Tom Daly strongly hinted that the Tyrone-Armagh game would not be played at Croke Park.
"It certainly wouldn't be to the forefront of our minds to bring the game to Croke Park," said the Ulster Council president.
"Bear in mind that this is a first-round Ulster Championship game.
"In the past where Ulster teams have gone to Croke Park, it has been the ultimate stage of the Ulster Championship, the Ulster Final."
The Ulster SFC will open on Sunday 17 May with the preliminary round clash between Fermanagh and Down at Brewster Park.
Following the Celtic Park and Clones clashes over the next two weekends, Cavan will face either Fermanagh (Breffni Park) or Down (Pairc Esler) on Saturday 6 June.
The last quarter-final between Donegal and Antrim will take place in Ballybofey on Sunday 14 June.
The Ulster Council did not make any announcements about venues for the semi-finals or final.
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Ulster SFC dates
Sun 17 May : Preliminary Round - Fermanagh v Down at Brewster Park
Sun 24 May : Quarter-Final - Derry v Monaghan at Celtic Park
Sun 31 May : Quarter-Final - Tyrone v Armagh at Clones
Sat 6 June : Quarter-Final - Cavan v Fermanagh/Down
If: Fermanagh v Cavan at Kingspan Breffni Park, Cavan
If: Down v Cavan at Pairc Esler, Newry
Sun 14 June : Quarter-Final - Donegal v Antrim at Ballybofey
Supoib! ;D
Now thats a shocker ::)
Surely if it is the number of people that want to see the game that is the overriding concern for the Ulster Council, I look forward to a drop in ticket prices for the Championship.
Id expect championship attendances to be well down this summer - even the armagh - tyrone game. they'll probably still get close to their 33,000 for this game charging the full whack and that'll justify not dropping prices for the whole championship
This is a reasonable decision. But some people will still be giving out.
Let's hope that Tyrone don't launch a Donegal style campaign to use pull to have a reasonable decision reversed.
Tyronies won't like this :D
easy decision in the end and thankfully common sense prevailed
Quote from: armaghniac on April 08, 2009, 10:51:28 AM
This is a reasonable decision. But some people will still be giving out.
Let's hope that Tyrone don't launch a Donegal style campaign to use pull to have a reasonable decision reversed.
If the Ulster Council change it back from Clones to Omagh will the Armagh contingent travel to the game en-mass like they did to Ballybofey game in 2007?
Quote from: AFS on April 08, 2009, 11:15:52 AM
Tyronies won't like this :D
Why? As a Tyrone-y as you call it I am delighted. Clones is a great day out
Quote from: longrunsthefox on April 08, 2009, 12:08:18 PM
Quote from: AFS on April 08, 2009, 11:15:52 AM
Tyronies won't like this :D
Why? As a Tyrone-y as you call it I am delighted. Clones is a great day out
There are a fair few of yous that won't be happy. Apparently Clones is Armagh's home pitch or some other baloney. Clones will be good craic, the only downer is that the buckfast brigade are likely to be out in force ::)
Quote from: AFS on April 08, 2009, 11:15:52 AM
Tyronies won't like this :D
As much as I wanted the game in Omagh, I'm not too bothered by the fact it's in Clones.
Certainly not going to call for a strike like some in Dublin a-la League opener ;)
For a game that will have little bearing on Sam, I am glad it has been moved for this reason:
There will be up to 10,000 seated family tickets available for this fixture at St Tiernach's Park, Clones
Quote from: corn02 on April 08, 2009, 02:21:11 PM
For a game that will have little bearing on Sam, I am glad it has been moved for this reason:
There will be up to 10,000 seated family tickets available for this fixture at St Tiernach's Park, Clones
Irony is losers might have better run to win Sam
If it's a sunny day then I am happy with Clones. I'll bitch if it rains.
Anyone got a forecast?
It's late May, the start of the Irish summer time.
Bitch, it'll probably rain.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 08, 2009, 02:52:13 PM
If it's a sunny day then I am happy with Clones. I'll bitch if it rains.
Anyone got a forecast?
Tyrone by four points ;)
Tyrone will beat Armagh out the gate, there are rifts in the Armagh camp at the min, talk of players walking out and that, Tyrone getting their full panel back together again with all all their injuries managed just to do enough to ensure their div 1 status with a skelton panel. Tyrone by 8-10 points
SoN Should Keep Armagh Appointment! ;D
http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=109787 (http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=109787)
Quote from: ziggysego on April 08, 2009, 03:24:03 PM
SoN Should Keep Armagh Appointment! ;D
http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=109787 (http://www.hoganstand.com/Tyrone/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=109787)
You're all excited Ziggy... championship fevour - I can smell the burgers on Fermanagh Street already. See you there!!
according to a poster on orchard county both francie bellew and paul mcgrane announced their retirement at training last night!
we all knew the francie decision was coming but i think mcgrane going aswel is a big blow as i believe he could still have been a good squad player this year to help vernon and toner along and be used as an impact sub late on in games to win vital posession!
Quote from: Onion Bag on April 08, 2009, 03:23:18 PM
with a skelton panel.
Aha, obviously a veiled reference to Sarsfields Shane Skelton's goal scoring display in the Ulster Football Championship Semi Final on
Sunday 28th June 1987 in Saint Molaise Park when Armagh defeated Tyrone 5-09 to 1-09.
:D :D :D :D
Quote from: drici on April 08, 2009, 03:56:31 PM
Aha, obviously a veiled reference to Sarsfields Shane Skelton's goal scoring display in the Ulster Football Championship Semi Final on
Sunday 28th June 1987 in Saint Molaise Park when Armagh defeated Tyrone 5-09 to 1-09.
Remember it well. Sun splitting the stones in Irvinestown after. Plunkett Donaghy shaking hands all round and taking the abuse about his blond mullet with good grace. Even the UDR patrol who had us all out of the mini-bus to search inside our shoes couldn't take the shine of the day. ;D
Quote from: pearseog on April 08, 2009, 03:46:24 PM
according to a poster on orchard county both francie bellew and paul mcgrane announced their retirement at training last night!
we all knew the francie decision was coming but i think mcgrane going aswel is a big blow as i believe he could still have been a good squad player this year to help vernon and toner along and be used as an impact sub late on in games to win vital posession!
Both are definately gone.
Two legends in one week - thanks for all the years of great days out lads.
Cant wait for this already. Although I argued a case for Croke Park I'm happy enough its in Clones. Makes more sense than Omagh and should be a cracking atmosphere. Hope there isnt moaning from the usual fans about venue/time and how they're not going etc.
Bound to be all-ticket.
I can see Harte threatening to sue the association AGAIN and the GAA folding and playing the game in HQ. :'(
Quote from: stew on April 09, 2009, 10:24:58 PM
I can see Harte threatening to sue the association AGAIN...
When was the first sue?
Quote from: drici on April 09, 2009, 10:31:05 PM
Johnny Cash must have been involved.
Nah, Buddy Holly, was Peggy Sue I believe (MH sent the Association a recording, apparently).
Quote from: longrunsthefox on April 08, 2009, 02:51:33 PM
Quote from: corn02 on April 08, 2009, 02:21:11 PM
For a game that will have little bearing on Sam, I am glad it has been moved for this reason:
There will be up to 10,000 seated family tickets available for this fixture at St Tiernach's Park, Clones
Irony is losers might have better run to win Sam
Not really sure that's true. The winners have to win 2 matches in a row to make the quarter finals whereas the losers will have 4. I don't buy into the arguement that its better to go through the qualifiers, it might benefit those who do make it through the minefield but the provincial championships are the most direct route.
The dynamic between the 2 counties has changed a lot since the last meeting in 05. For a few years Armagh were the more experience outfit with Tyrone coming through with a lot of their underage team at the same time. A look at the teamsheet for Armagh now and there's no McGeeney, McGrane, Bellew, McNulty, McConville, McEntee, McKeever etc. Now it's Tyrone who have the experienced personnel and Armagh with the young guns. If Armagh were to win this game it could mark a big juncture in the development of the team, maybe in the same way Tyrone started to turn the corner on Armagh in 2001. I think it's a bit soon though for us.
Actually think the retirements are in the best interests of Armagh football. Its time for the young players to step up and the supporters move on. People keep saying you'd be safer losing this game etc but that is nonsense particularly for Armagh. I'd imagine it would give the younger players a huge confidence boost to beat the All Ireland Champions.
I must admite definite retirements make me nervous. It draws a line in the sand for a new group to start from. No more looking over the shoulder. It could yet be "The Year of the Vernon"//
After last weekend i really don't know where armagh are going
Quote from: The GAA on April 16, 2009, 10:51:19 AM
After last weekend i really don't know where armagh are going
neither does the manager
Tyrone will beat Armagh out the gate
Don't know if its true, but I got this from a pretty reliable source this morning, that Mc Kenna was'nt the only one at those Aussie rules trials. That Charlie vernon was there also!! I hope not as he is one of the few flickers of hope at the moment
Quote from: BerfArmagh on April 16, 2009, 11:11:42 AM
Don't know if its true, but I got this from a pretty reliable source this morning, that Mc Kenna was'nt the only one at those Aussie rules trials. That Charlie vernon was there also!! I hope not as he is one of the few flickers of hope at the moment
The Star on Tuesday/Monday mentioned both fellas were at the the trials at the weekend along with Antrims Mc Cann and Mc KKeever
Quote from: BerfArmagh on April 16, 2009, 11:11:42 AM
Don't know if its true, but I got this from a pretty reliable source this morning, that Mc Kenna was'nt the only one at those Aussie rules trials. That Charlie vernon was there also!! I hope not as he is one of the few flickers of hope at the moment
Would be surprised if any of the AFL clubs picked up Charlie, he's a year or two older than they like to get them. That said if any did take a chance on him I'd have no doubt that he be a big success, the guy is a tremendous athlete.
QuoteDon't know if its true, but I got this from a pretty reliable source this morning, that Mc Kenna was'nt the only one at those Aussie rules trials. That Charlie vernon was there also!! I hope not as he is one of the few flickers of hope at the moment
So there may be some truth in the rumour he was seen coming out of Surf Mountain in Belfast with a tray of Fosters under his arm?
any truth in the rumours that more players have voluntarily left the armagh set up?
Quote from: davo on April 16, 2009, 02:38:15 PM
any truth in the rumours that more players have voluntarily left the armagh set up?
Who did you hear? :-\
Quote from: AFS on April 16, 2009, 11:44:51 AM
Quote from: BerfArmagh on April 16, 2009, 11:11:42 AM
Don't know if its true, but I got this from a pretty reliable source this morning, that Mc Kenna was'nt the only one at those Aussie rules trials. That Charlie vernon was there also!! I hope not as he is one of the few flickers of hope at the moment
Would be surprised if any of the AFL clubs picked up Charlie, he's a year or two older than they like to get them. That said if any did take a chance on him I'd have no doubt that he be a big success, the guy is a tremendous athlete.
couldn't see him leaving for the AFL - he was brought up to play for football for Armagh - can't see him walking away from that anytime soon
Don't think we've beaten the buckfast brigade in Clones since Mugsy's first minute goal in 2001.
Quote from: ONeill on April 16, 2009, 02:54:45 PM
Don't think we've beaten the buckfast brigade in Clones since Mugsy's first minute goal in 2001.
You won't be saying that shortly :-[
Quote from: davo on April 16, 2009, 02:38:15 PM
any truth in the rumours that more players have voluntarily left the armagh set up?
I'd heard a wee rumour of that myself - a south armagh representative?
jesus, can you just not say who it is...
Jusy heard 2 more quit this week - mid armagh man who played sunday and a south armagh man who didn't
You care to name names,
ffs at this stage i will bring my boots to clones
who left ?
btw has anyone else joined the panel cos by reckoning a fair few have left the panel
young clarke, mc grane,mackin,toal,young o rourkel, paddymc keever,
GAA could you drop me a PM to say who, please?
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on April 16, 2009, 03:20:07 PM
GAA could you drop me a PM to say who, please?
When he does, cud you PM me and let me know, Whats the big deal with naming the players
well maybe its not true, so naming names til its official would be wrong, no?
Fair enough point, but as the old saying goes, 'theres no smoke without fire'
Pm us then...
EDIT: Cheers!
Quote from: The GAA on April 16, 2009, 03:28:28 PM
well maybe its not true, so naming names til its official would be wrong, no?
It was a rumour that I had heard, but I don't know if it's officially been said
Thanks GAA,
Suprised by the mid armagh man, hes actually a friend of mine, must give him a bell... the other lad i thought played v well in the league this year...
All must not be well in the camp...
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i think that is a fair assumpion to make at this stage
Never read too much into these stories about all not being well in the camp. All apparently was not well in the Tyrone camp at the beginning of 2005 with 1 player quitting and rumours of more to follow. It was the same last year when O'Neill quit and after the Down game with vaious rumours of things not being well. It's obvious that McGrane and Bellew felt they werent fit to give any more at county level due to injury in McGrane's case. Not sure what the McKeever situation is, was he dropped? I'd be shocked if its anything other than a close game come 31st of May. Armagh are ulster championship specialists and anyone can suffer a bad defeat down in Cork in the league.
Its nothing to do with a defeat in Cork, there is rifts between Management, Players and county Board,
Can someone PM me? The curiousity is getting the better of me
I think tyrone could win handy all seems not well with armagh.
According to reports Mc Keever did'nt actually retire, but had decided to take a break. I don't think he is too amused that all the papers jumped to conclusions
PM PLEASE
pm please
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on April 16, 2009, 04:05:34 PM
Can someone PM me? The curiousity is getting the better of me
........... and me!
Ah c'mon. Either post names or pm me too.
Feck it.. Tell us as well!!
me too!
Ach jaysus, who's gone now?
could i get a pm too?
Is there noone running the zoo?
not surprised by the names mentioned as leaving the panel, have there been any promotions from the u-21s, would also like to know has pkernan joined the panel and who else from cross,
we are light amidfirlder, a chf, a corner forward
Quit your bluffing, trying to lure Tyrone into a false sense of security. We know what you crafty hoors are up to!
pm me please too?
feck it someone tell me too!!
Wholl have the balls to be the first to come out and say it on the open board?
if i knew i would say it
Quote from: Old Bill on April 16, 2009, 05:16:28 PM
Wholl have the balls to be the first to come out and say it on the open board?
Bill, check your pms.
Is it a regular starter that has quit or just a fringe player?
Man quit the tyrone panel over the weekend there and not a word bout it hardly
thanks onion bag!! surprise at the mid armagh man!
I don't think 1 player leaving a panel makes much difference aroundincircles. What seems to be happening in Armagh is worrying as it's not just one or 2 players, that's a total of 8 as far as I can make out in the space of 2 weeks, tops.
Heard rumour myself, i would imagine it will appear in the papers in a day or 2.
Apart from Toal - who are the really big losses? Out of the people who left of their own accord or were dropped by management who could have had a big impact on our performances in the Championship?
I agree though that the trend of walk outs is worrying and something needs to be done asap to address the disgruntlement of players.
Might be more to do with work constraints than age...
Quote from: aroundincircles on April 16, 2009, 06:15:20 PM
Man quit the tyrone panel over the weekend there and not a word bout it hardly
Was on UTV Live tonight about Peter Donnelly. Very much a fringe player and that's probably the reason he's decided to quit. He's still only a cub so we might not have seen the last of him in a Tyrone shirt
Quote from: red hander on April 16, 2009, 06:59:43 PM
Quote from: aroundincircles on April 16, 2009, 06:15:20 PM
Man quit the tyrone panel over the weekend there and not a word bout it hardly
Was on UTV Live tonight about Peter Donnelly. Very much a fringe player and that's probably the reason he's decided to quit. He's still only a cub so we might not have seen the last of him in a Tyrone shirt
Donnelly would be 26 now or at least not too far away from it. I would say its the last we will see of him in a Tyrone shirt. Mickey Harte obviously values him as a good man to have in the squad though or he wouldnt be trying to persuade him not to go. Still he retires with 2 All Ireland medals in his back pocket so not a bad return!
Quote from: The Iceman on April 16, 2009, 06:55:32 PM
Apart from Toal - who are the really big losses? Out of the people who left of their own accord or were dropped by management who could have had a big impact on our performances in the Championship?
I agree though that the trend of walk outs is worrying and something needs to be done asap to address the disgruntlement of players.
McGrane, McKeever and Bellew also, plus at least one of the people rumoured to have quit the panel today.
Does anyone know what the actual issues in the camp are?
I have a lot of time for McDonnell but if the problem is with him then he's probably best to step aside (though it's probably too late for that now) especially as it's not just one or two that have issues, but maybe that's unfair and there's another side to the story.
Have heard a few rumours by text but that's about it...
Saw Ricky Nixon in the lobby of the hotel in Castlebar at the weekend, where he was going over the terms and conditions (quite audibly) with one of the Mayo lads (not 100% certain who it was, so won't name names). This is from the Independent of two days ago:
Nixon confident downturn will entice starlets to AFL
By colm keys
Tuesday April 14 2009
AFL recruitment agent Ricky Nixon believes the economic downturn in this country will make his programme to draw Gaelic footballers to Australia more attractive in the years ahead.
Nixon was back in Dublin yesterday putting 23 of the best young Gaelic footballers through a series of tests on behalf of five clubs. Geelong, St Kilda, Richmond, Kangaroos and Brisbane all had scouts present for the communal testing under the banner of Nixon's Flying Start recruitment agency. Unlike last summer, when the last series of tests were carried out at the Breaffy House Resort in Castlebar, the names of those present were kept confidential.
But it is understood that among the players present were Kerry's Barry John Walsh -- brother of Tommy -- Derry's James Kielt and Armagh pair Charlie Vernon and David McKenna. However Tommy Walsh -- who has been described by Nixon as one of the best talents he has ever seen -- wasn't present, which will be a sigh of relief for Kerry. Walsh spent 10 days on trial with St Kilda last December but has since cooled on the idea of going to Australia.
tests
Nixon hosted the camp in the Coolmine sports complex yesterday where the players present engaged in a host of kicking, fitness and psychological tests. He said there was an issue of "sensitivity" about releasing the names of those who were involved because of pressure from clubs and counties. "The names of those present will be kept confidential by me because there is obviously politics and sensitivities involved," said Nixon.
Nixon did reveal, however, that many of those who were in Mayo last August had returned and had improved their results in the eight months since the last camp. "They have shown improvement out of sight," he said. "We gave them skills programmes and clearly they have seen the benefits of that." Nixon predicted that between three and five potential recruits will be signed up by the five clubs on international rookie contracts later this season as a result of those improvements. "Last year there were five who went out on trial on our programme and one (Conor Meredith of Laois) got contracted. This year we would expect between five and 10 to go out with up to five being signed. Conor played his first game last week and I was speaking to the Kangaroos (North Melbourne) coach who was surprised how well he played," he said. "He's similar to Michael Quinn (Longford) who has made a big impression at Essendon and has adapted very well."
Nixon has tried to cajole the GAA on his plans and met the GAA president Nickey Brennan and director general Paraic Duffy to brief them on what he was doing. But now he says he is pressing on with his camps and doesn't want to engage in any "slanging matches" with the association. "If the GAA want to talk to me again then I'd be happy to listen. But I've made my points to them. I'm not here to convince young players not to play Gaelic football. I'm here to convince them to play AFL." Nixon believes the sharp economic downturn in Ireland could be "favourable" towards more players making the leap when the offers come "Ireland clearly isn't the same place as it was even this time 12 months ago. There are clear employment concerns here. I'm not saying Australia is immune from the global crisis but what I would say is that professional sport may not be such a bad option for some of these players," he said.
The involvement in the exercise of Vernon, who has been impressive for Armagh throughout the league campaign, is somewhat against the grain given that he is 23 years of age. There is greater concern in Armagh that McKenna, the 20-year-old Crossmaglen midfielder, may be a bigger target. McKenna has not been with Armagh since Crossmaglen's All-Ireland club final defeat to Kilmacud Crokes. Antrim pair Thomas McCann and Niall McKeever are still thought to be on Flying Start's radar.
Nixon attended the Mayo/Tyrone final-round league game in Castlebar but declined to reveal what the source of his interest there was. Under the Flying Start programme, the five listed clubs are understood to have paid AUS$30,000 (€16,500) each for involvement. An Irish recruitment manager has been employed as part of the scheme. At present there are eight Irish recruits on the books of AFL clubs -- Colm Begley, Martin Clarke, Kevin Dyas, Quinn, Brendan Murphy, Setanta O hAilpin, Meredith and Pearse Hanley -- down two since the return of Tadhg Kennelly and Aisake O hAilpin over the winter.
PM me please
Cheers
Quote from: aroundincircles on April 16, 2009, 06:15:20 PM
Man quit the tyrone panel over the weekend there and not a word bout it hardly
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8001072.stm
Someone pm me as well please!
Can I get a pm too
I'm hearing some fella Hollywood.
Quote from: drici on April 16, 2009, 10:30:15 PM
Houlie has retired from County Football.
No statement as of yet.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/low/northern_ireland/1136789.stm
There ye go!
Some body said that the shinners sold the four green fields........
Quote from: hardstation on April 16, 2009, 11:08:48 PM
Quote from: aroundincircles on April 16, 2009, 11:07:16 PM
Some body said that the shinners sold the four green fields........
Nah, they ploughed them in the middle of the night.
and then sold them
Peter canavan gone too a fall out with mulligans hair dresser. When peter asked him to stick a bit on and he refused!!!
Who has left the Armagh Camp now? Can someone post it or PM me, cheers.
i heard from the most reliable of sources that the armagh squad gave peter mcdonell a vote of no confidence at training last week. this was initiated by the marty orourke and thats why he didn't play in cork. a lot of the issues seem to be about a particilar player in the squad. all of you will notice that the vast majority quitting the panel are forwards. il let you work out who these players have an issue with.
Quote from: pearseog on April 17, 2009, 11:02:27 AM
all of you will notice that the vast majority quitting the panel are forwards.
Who are the vast majority of forwards that are quitting?
Mc Keever & (dont know of anyone else)
Peadar toal is a forward
Apologies, was thinking of more established players
Mc Keever has plenty of miles on the clock, Toal hasnt established himself on the county team at all
not the players who retired but the ones that quit
toal, shorty, mcdonnel from keady, apparently mckeever quit, and if the players that apparently quit yday are true then theres another to add to the list!
Mc Keever has plenty of miles lef ton the clock, he is only 28/29, at least another 3 years left in him,
As for Toal maybe thats why he left he has a grieviance with Peter Mc Donnell and his selections, it is irrelevant wheather he is an established memeber of the squad or not
Quote from: pearseog on April 17, 2009, 11:02:27 AM
i heard from the most reliable of sources that the armagh squad gave peter mcdonell a vote of no confidence at training last week. this was initiated by the marty orourke and thats why he didn't play in cork. a lot of the issues seem to be about a particilar player in the squad. all of you will notice that the vast majority quitting the panel are forwards. il let you work out who these players have an issue with.
Total lies.
Ah jaysus lads. Thats some fairy tales.
im 100% confident that its true.
Pat spillane rumoured to have walked away from county football down in Kerry,
He said he has become worried about the amount of fist passing creeping into the game, although i think the straw that broke the camels back was when he was asked in training last week to move out from the forward line and sit in front of his own full back line as part of a blanket defence Pat quoted saying "He has become disillusioned with the negative direction gaelic football is moving in" rumours of him using the term "Puke football" unconfirmed at this stage
Your claiming that all theseplayers have quit because they have an issue with one player - a forward - on the squad?
is it a playing or personal issue?
i don't believe a word of this
Quote from: pearseog on April 17, 2009, 11:43:10 AM
im 100% confident that its true.
Well you're 100% wrong.
Your reliable source isnothing short of a bullshitter.
You want truth, here it is.
Marty has been suffering from tendonitis in both achilles tendons since the start of the year. It got worse after the Meath game and that's why he missed Cork. He got an injection to try and play but wasn't able too, he also played on this year with the injury which can be commended.
People are losing the run of themselves on these threads lately.
A simple case of a man missing a match through injury and a poster like you makes scandolous claims.
if you know marty so well then ask him yourself! like i said, believe it if you want
Someone please PM me the two quitters, i'm racking my brains here trying to work out what the hell is goin on
Quote from: pearseog on April 17, 2009, 11:50:37 AM
if you know marty so well then ask him yourself! like i said, believe it if you want
Well all I am telling you is that your story is 100% fiction - and that is a fact, your source would need to gets his stories right because he is either a liar or is winding you up.
like i said, he is obviously your club mate, ask him, then come back to me
Dunno if it's true or not but the thing is managers and players do read these things and it can have a negative affect on the team especially if it's not true. Just last night our manager could tell us that some guy on Orchard County had us relegated before July was out, it was used as good motivation and we went on to win by 10pts but it just goes to show you that these sites are monitored...
Quote from: pearseog on April 17, 2009, 11:54:08 AM
like i said, he is obviously your club mate, ask him, then come back to me
Yes a club mate and I know Marty very well, and I also know that my story is true and yours is a lie - that is a fact!
The rumour mill is in full swing in the county. A few players drop off because they know they won;t get near the 24 and all of a sudden people think that the Crragh Mutiny is taking place again.
lads i think the vast majority of stuff on this thread is total rubbish.
Quote from: davo on April 17, 2009, 11:58:28 AM
lads i think the vast majority of stuff on this thread is total rubbish.
The majority? Try 100% bullshit.
Charlie Vernon & Ronan Clarke have now left the panel, some disagreement over positions for the Tyrone game
Quote from: BerfArmagh on April 17, 2009, 12:04:56 PM
Charlie Vernon & Ronan Clarke have now left the panel, some disagreement over positions for the Tyrone game
I heard Peter has decided to just let The Armagh Minor team play instead
Quote from: corn02 on April 17, 2009, 11:59:10 AM
Quote from: davo on April 17, 2009, 11:58:28 AM
lads i think the vast majority of stuff on this thread is total rubbish.
The majority? Try 100% bullshit.
everything you say corn included in that 100%?
Vernons on a plane to Melbourne as we speak.
Clarke has hit the bottle.
Stevie Mc Donnell has jumped on a ferry to liverpool
Donaghy & Mc Keever are drinking BO in the college fields
I think we might beat tyrone this year 8)
I heard Mickey Harte came home from work yesterday only to find Peter Mc Donnell in bed with his Wife, that will be good motivation for Mickey come the 31st
Quote from: Yes I Would on April 17, 2009, 12:06:49 PM
Quote from: corn02 on April 17, 2009, 11:59:10 AM
Quote from: davo on April 17, 2009, 11:58:28 AM
lads i think the vast majority of stuff on this thread is total rubbish.
The majority? Try 100% bullshit.
everything you say corn included in that 100%?
Boom boom, i didn't make any original claims.
Quote from: BerfArmagh on April 17, 2009, 12:08:37 PM
Vernons on a plane to Melbourne as we speak.
Clarke has hit the bottle.
Stevie Mc Donnell has jumped on a ferry to liverpool
Donaghy & Mc Keever are drinking BO in the college fields
I think we might beat tyrone this year 8)
Hearty is our new full forward, Denis Hollywood s our goalie and Peter himself is lining out in the middle of the park.
Corn02 and Doire na Raithe (R.I.P.) coming out of retirement to operate as a two man full forward line
Rumour mill is in full swing as right...MOR would be the last man i would imagine to walk away from the panel...
Any of those who have left the panel like Toal / McDonnell etc....are gone cause of two reasons..
1. Lacked the committment....In my eyes any man who doesn want to work hard to get in the team doesn deserve to be there no matter how skillful a player he is....Jaysus i kno plenty of club players in the county who if they got their chance to have a go at the county would sweat blood and gutts - look at Barry Shannon at the min for example...
2. Simply not good enough - and as corn said they know they are not going to make the championship panel...
Anyone care to attribute a 1 or a 2 to the following?
Bellew
McGrane
McKeever
Toal
McDonnell
Toner
Clarke
Mackin
O'Rourke n
McDonald B
O'Rourke m
Donnelly
Quote from: DuffleKing on April 17, 2009, 01:04:07 PM
Anyone care to attribute a 1 or a 2 to the following?
Bellew - Was always likely to quit, in fact I'm surprised he even came back last year.
McGrane - Was always going to be his last year, he's injured with no signs of it clearing up soon.
McKeever - Great guy, but the reality is that he's been very much a bit part player for the last 3 years. Whisper it... but its not beyond the realms of possibility that he was simply dropped.
Toal - Been problem getting him to commit since he first arrived on the panel during the last reign. Even at club level Harps supposedly have problems getting him to give 100%. No surprise he left.
McDonnell - Dropped
Toner - Dropped
Clarke - Dropped
Mackin - Dropped
O'Rourke n - Dropped
McDonald B - Dropped
O'Rourke m - Unverified rumour
Donnelly - Unverified rumour
If all the players that were on the panel at the start of the league were retained after the Cross players returned we'd be running with a panel of 37 or 38 players. It was always inevitable that some lads were going to get dropped. Being brutally honest, those that were dropped are no big loss.
well you can review all your "dropped" categorizations. I have it on good authority that not one player has been droped from the armagh squad in 2009.
Quote from: DuffleKing on April 17, 2009, 03:04:27 PM
well you can review all your "dropped" categorizations. I have it on good authority that not one player has been droped from the armagh squad in 2009.
So there was going to be a 37 man panel then? With at least a dozen guys that had next to no chance of ever featuring in the Championship.
obviously there would have to have been a cut. you are missng the whole point. all of these guys walked meaning that the panel is now made up of those who did not walk, rather than those wha have been chosen
Quote from: DuffleKing on April 17, 2009, 03:10:42 PM
obviously there would have to have been a cut. you are missng the whole point. all of these guys walked meaning that the panel is now made up of those who did not walk, rather than those wha have been chosen
How do you know they 'walked'?
I find it an amazing coincidence that the six or seven guys that have 'walked off' the panel were also the six or seven guys most likely to be dropped when the panel was cut. I also find it an amazing coincidence that the number of men that have 'walked off' the panel is conveniently the exact amount needed to bring the panel down to the customary 30 men. When the likes of Ronan Clarke and Ciaran McKeever start leaving the panel then I'll start to believe something is up.
Quote from: DuffleKing on April 17, 2009, 03:10:42 PM
obviously there would have to have been a cut. you are missng the whole point. all of these guys walked meaning that the panel is now made up of those who did not walk, rather than those wha have been chosen
So if you knew why did you post for an update?
Corn02 - The statement was made that the players who left were either 1- not committed enough, or 2 - not good enough. i simply asked who was which.
I know that they all walked. so, it seems, does everyone else bar your good self. maybe you have a link to a championship squad announcement or an article stipulating "exclusions"? you're even suggesting McKeever was dropped?
Quote from: DuffleKing on April 17, 2009, 03:40:14 PM
Corn02 - The statement was made that the players who left were either 1- not committed enough, or 2 - not good enough. i simply asked who was which.
I know that they all walked. so, it seems, does everyone else bar your good self. maybe you have a link to a championship squad announcement or an article stipulating "exclusions"? you're even suggesting McKeever was dropped?
Woah calm down there tiger,
Where did I say they were dropped?
I'd say the jumped before pushed play a part in some decisions.
The second part was aimed at AFS
Fai enough Ted.
You 'know' they walked, as do quite a few on this board and others. When questioned about how you know you refer to 'a very good authority' - in other words, your mate sent you a text or some bullshit. A whole pile of complete and utter shite being written on this thread, but then again we wouldn't be Irish if we didn't like a good gossip.
As I've already stated, lads like Neil O'Rourke and Barry McDonald were never likely to get anywhere near a championship team no harm to them. They are lads that were only retained from the McKenna Cup panel because we were missing 7 or 8 guys out with Cross and injury. Once the Cross guys and lads like Toner and Donaghy, who had been injured, returned the services of those 6 or 7 retainees were no longer needed. FFS Barry McDonald and Mal Mackin have been playing in the McKenna Cup for us for years now before usually being dropped well before the championship. I suppose you can add lads like Gareth Smyth to your list of 'walkers' ::)
On Paddy McKeever - I wouldn't be surprised if he was dropped, however its more likely that he was given a hint or two that he wasn't much needed this year and decided to go out of his own accord. McDonnell obviously doesn't fancy him, he used him very sparingly last year and despite having him available, he only used him as a sub once or twice in this year's McKenna Cup. Too many miles on the clock I'm afraid, and plenty of significantly younger players capable of offering just as much at the minute.
Quote from: DuffleKing on April 17, 2009, 03:40:14 PM
Corn02 - The statement was made that the players who left were either 1- not committed enough, or 2 - not good enough. i simply asked who was which.
I know that they all walked. so, it seems, does everyone else bar your good self. maybe you have a link to a championship squad announcement or an article stipulating "exclusions"? you're even suggesting McKeever was dropped?
In all honnesty DK...McGrane or Bellow were never intended to be included in these catogories and I think anyone who thought otherwise would be foolish...They both retires DK, yes retired! True Armagh legends who gave there absolute everything towards the county...something a few of those who walked away could learn a lot from!
Enquired re the JP leaving rumour and was told he hasn't left at all.
Getting a bit carried away lately on this thread.
Quote from: bennydorano on April 17, 2009, 05:20:27 PM
Enquired re the JP leaving rumour and was told he hasn't left at all.
Getting a bit carried away lately on this thread.
I agree Benny.
I wouldn't disbelieve that a lot of the fringe players left the panel out of their own will. One of the sadly inevitable consequences of the fact that we are unlikely to be challenging for an All Ireland is that good club players are less likely to want to bust themselves all year in training to get a place on a panel where they will get no football and are unlikely to have any silverware to show at the end of it.
Now obviously anybody not wanting to play for their copunty is a concern but the best way of addressing this issue is being improving the amount of club football fringe county players get. I can see no justification for anybody outside the first 20/22 not playing club football a week before a championship. Indeed for players who are only likely to be called on for 10 / 15 minutes in an emergency, there's no reason for them not being fit to play a club match on a Friday night and be available amongst the subs for their county on a Sunday.
The last thing any players trying to break into a senior team needs is a year of stagnation, kicking their heels on a county subs bench while their club is desperate for them to play and unfortunately that's something which has happened to too many players in the recent past.
well i heard that a number of the guy 'who left the panel' were dropped! dunno what the latest two tho!
the squad had to be cut sometime!lol
TAC I have to agree with you as regards the fringe players. I believe that a player like Swift suffered in his development as he sat on the bench through a number of campaigns when playing more for his club may have made him a better player now still on the squad making a major contribution. To be fair to McDonnell I believe that the fringe players got more club time last year. In many ways the only players not to suffer as much in this regard would have been the Cross players as their club was still playing as others were sitting with their feet up.
believe alot of the guys who "walked"did so before squad was due to be cut,jp was at training last nite i was told.
I tend not to read in to all this discontent talk. I remember all rubbish talk that was said about tyrone at times even last year and I firmly believe the conspiracy theory's in this thread will be found mostly as rubbish...................I hope!
Quote from: AFS on April 17, 2009, 04:19:19 PM
You 'know' they walked, as do quite a few on this board and others. When questioned about how you know you refer to 'a very good authority' - in other words, your mate sent you a text or some bullshit. A whole pile of complete and utter shite being written on this thread, but then again we wouldn't be Irish if we didn't like a good gossip.
As I've already stated, lads like Neil O'Rourke and Barry McDonald were never likely to get anywhere near a championship team no harm to them. They are lads that were only retained from the McKenna Cup panel because we were missing 7 or 8 guys out with Cross and injury. Once the Cross guys and lads like Toner and Donaghy, who had been injured, returned the services of those 6 or 7 retainees were no longer needed. FFS Barry McDonald and Mal Mackin have been playing in the McKenna Cup for us for years now before usually being dropped well before the championship. I suppose you can add lads like Gareth Smyth to your list of 'walkers' ::)
On Paddy McKeever - I wouldn't be surprised if he was dropped, however its more likely that he was given a hint or two that he wasn't much needed this year and decided to go out of his own accord. McDonnell obviously doesn't fancy him, he used him very sparingly last year and despite having him available, he only used him as a sub once or twice in this year's McKenna Cup. Too many miles on the clock I'm afraid, and plenty of significantly younger players capable of offering just as much at the minute.
I asked one of the players. He says its haywire at the minute.
Fair enough if you think those players are not good enough but who are you to decide? There's something wrong when so many players are walking at the same time. Gareth Smyth should indeed have been on that list.
Nice of you to stick the boot in paddy McKeever when you haven't the faintest idea why he left the panel.
Lads all of you are quick to jump on here with the slightest piece of gossip and no-one knows if it's true or not...just believing the guy who told you so. As for asking a county player do you really think he's gonna tell you the truth of whats going on in fact in reading all this crop over the last week i actually believe Armagh are trying to send a few (false) SOS's trying to let the rest of Ulster that Armagh football is in Turmoil. I would be right and friendly with an ex county player (only retired in the last 2 years) and he would not have told you anything about how things were going or team selections, infact he wouldn't even tell his own brother...
I do actually believe if county men are telling guys things about "All's not well in the camp" that it's a ploy and i certainly won't be believing any of the crop wrote here over the last week
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We have the team to compete against Tyrone . No doubt it will be difficult and our display in Cork doesnt bode well. That display however can have two effects . It can galvanise and motivate us as to the task in hand or in can drive us futher down and back to where we were pre.99. Pre 99 Is not an option we have good enough players coming through to keep us up there .
Peter Mc Donell and the management need all the encouragement they can get. Not slated . There are people who are only waiting for him to fall (if in their minds he has already). An Ulster title in his first year wasnt good enough. Yes we did fall flat against Wexford. We have acheived the best position in our league since 2005. Anybody who was in Navan this time last year walked out of the ground muttering the same sentiments being expressed after the Cork game .
Yes I do believe people have the right to criticise and express their opinion but some of what is being said is way overboard. There may well be stories floating about concerning players leaving etc but I know this is not the case. Some individuals may be unhappy but we have 37 of a panel and it has to be cut so obviously some are going to be unhappy.
David Mc Kenna has not appeared near the county since Cross's defeat. Thats his choice , pity but thats his choice . I would hope and I do have some inkiling that Paul Mc Keown may be added to the panel and in my opinion an excellent move . This lad is our next Andy Mallon. Peter was waiting until after the u-21's before making any decision on it and I hope he includes him . However for him to be included someone has to go . If DavidMc Kenna is named then someone else loses out and therein you can see the dilema faced by management.
I fimly believe that if we hold tight this year get over our retirements , losses etc which are pyscological as well as footballing . We do have an interseting line up. Paul McKeown Paul Kernan Andy Mallon the full back line . With Aoran kernan/David comiskey K Mc Keever and Brendy Donaghy the half back line Charlie and Keiran in the middle . Forward line of stevie, Ronan ,Ryan henderson Tony Kernan Stephan Forker Martin Orourke add Kevin O Rourke shane Carrol . Maybe not this year but in the very near future this team will be up there with the best. I firmly believe this This is a diificult period in our transition . The two Brians built this team out of the ashes of 1995(Athletic grounds Derry) J oe inherited the team and did well. Peter is in an unenviable position .
He needs our support not our criticism. Yes lets voice our opinion but not outrageuos bigoted staements brought about by our club loyalties to ceratin players etc.(While understandable not the thing to do) I certainly dont agree with everything Peter has done but he is the manager and will be until the end of the year at least, and then we can all make up our minds.
I wish them all the best and I for one will be roaring my head of against the old enemy Come on lads "into the valley of Death rode 600" Lets go for them.
I'd heard Aaron Kernan had left the Armagh panel but it turned out it was only for a wash, cut and blow dry.
recently heard that micheal o'rourke has left the armagh panel due to back room team disliking him. he wasn't dropped and never got a fair chance this year. can mcdonnell answer this?
Quote from: fan01 on April 18, 2009, 09:57:08 PM
recently heard that micheal o'rourke has left the armagh panel due to back room team disliking him. he wasn't dropped and never got a fair chance this year. can mcdonnell answer this?
i wonder was McDonnell and his back room team at the dromintee v mullabawn game tonight. did they get any answer from it..?
Quote from: rionach 4 on April 18, 2009, 04:50:29 PM
We have the team to compete against Tyrone .
I honestly dont think we have
In reality we have no more than 5 players that would make the Tyrone team
Quote from: bennydorano on April 17, 2009, 05:20:27 PM
Enquired re the JP leaving rumour and was told he hasn't left at all.
Getting a bit carried away lately on this thread.
Maybe some of the Ogs boys could comment on this but I heard JP walked......
Any word on which of the O'Rourkes left? I heard it was Aidan but you never know.....
Quote from: full back on April 20, 2009, 08:10:13 AM
Quote from: rionach 4 on April 18, 2009, 04:50:29 PM
We have the team to compete against Tyrone .
I honestly dont think we have
In reality we have no more than 5 players that would make the Tyrone team
Wanna name them FB?
Quote from: red hander on April 22, 2009, 07:52:55 PM
Quote from: full back on April 20, 2009, 08:10:13 AM
Quote from: rionach 4 on April 18, 2009, 04:50:29 PM
We have the team to compete against Tyrone .
I honestly dont think we have
In reality we have no more than 5 players that would make the Tyrone team
Wanna name them FB?
in tryones team i would have andy mallon kieran mckeever ronan clarke!
im taking into account the position of each player so aaron kernan isn't there beacause phillip jordan and davy harte would be there before them!
Pearseog you are being very tough on Armagh. I am sure Mickey Harte would love to be able to pick Aaron Kernan, Stevie McDonnell and Charlie Vernon or Ciaran Toner as well. Armagh's keepers would be every bit as competent as Tyrones. IMO Kernan would be ideally suited to Tyrone's style of play and Stevie McDonnell would still get on any team in Ireland. Vernon or Toner would make a good partner for McGinley. Also this time last year not too many would have tipped Tyrone to do as well as they did.
If we reverse the question. How many Tyrone players would you definitely put on the Armagh team. There are fitness doubts over O'Neill and Dooher. Mulligan has not been the same player in the last couple of years. Brian McGuigan has sadly not returned to previous levels. Tommy McGuigan and McCullough are good players but could they play Armagh's system. In defence Gormley is probably a cert but many of the rest are good in the system adopted by the manager but individually would not suit Armagh. Davy Harte for example is a great player but would not get as much chance to attack if he played for Armagh. Would want Cavanagh and McGlinley on my team every day. Most of all, however, would love to see what Mickey Harte could do with Armagh.
As a final thought - MOR would make a good replacement for Dooher. Would be some crack in training with him and McMenemin!
Quote from: The Iceman on April 22, 2009, 07:25:02 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on April 17, 2009, 05:20:27 PM
Enquired re the JP leaving rumour and was told he hasn't left at all.
Getting a bit carried away lately on this thread.
Maybe some of the Ogs boys could comment on this but I heard JP walked......
Any word on which of the O'Rourkes left? I heard it was Aidan but you never know.....
not this crap again...
Anyone know the throw in time for the match? (Senior and minor)
Minors 12.30 and seniors 2.00pm.
Sorry the minors 12.15
Saw a Mr B Dooher heading on a jet plane last Friday to another continent.
Quote from: ONeill on April 22, 2009, 11:50:09 PM
Saw a Mr B Dooher heading on a jet plane last Friday to another continent.
Man with oneill cup gone with him as well.
QuoteMost of all, however, would love to see what Mickey Harte could do with Armagh.
Ye can't make a silk purse out of a pig's ear.......
Quote from: red hander on April 22, 2009, 07:52:55 PM
Quote from: full back on April 20, 2009, 08:10:13 AM
Quote from: rionach 4 on April 18, 2009, 04:50:29 PM
We have the team to compete against Tyrone .
I honestly dont think we have
In reality we have no more than 5 players that would make the Tyrone team
Wanna name them FB?
Clarke, Mc Keever, Kernan, Mc Donnell, Mallon
Vernon & ORourke would be there or thereabouts
Quote from: The Iceman on April 22, 2009, 07:25:02 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on April 17, 2009, 05:20:27 PM
Enquired re the JP leaving rumour and was told he hasn't left at all.
Getting a bit carried away lately on this thread.
Maybe some of the Ogs boys could comment on this but I heard JP walked......
Any word on which of the O'Rourkes left? I heard it was Aidan but you never know.....
no aidan still there. it micheal that has walk out so thats armagh left with one less free taker.
Donnelly is def gone.
micheal o'rourke is def gone
Strong rumours that aidan is gone too but haven't heard that from anyone in the know
Could the Armagh posters please take all this mombo-jumbo who is in and who is out to the Armagh thread. It really is boring and is just a pile of rumour ::)
Heard last night the players were planning a strike like the cork hurlers, they are not happy with Peter Mc Donnell
Quote from: EC Unique on April 23, 2009, 12:13:10 PM
Could the Armagh posters please take all this mombo-jumbo who is in and who is out to the Armagh thread. It really is boring and is just a pile of rumour ::)
This is fact:
Quote from: The GAA on April 23, 2009, 10:08:11 AM
Donnelly is def gone.
micheal o'rourke is def gone
Lads all I would say is discontent is involved in any camp - it is natural.
But just be sceptical of any rumours of players oraganising revolutions. I can't see any of that craic being true. Well I know that PearseOgs story was lies, but all this stuff about strikes is nonsense imo.
That was just a rumour i tried to start corn, only a wee joke
Quote from: Onion Bag on April 23, 2009, 12:21:13 PM
That was just a rumour i tried to start corn, only a wee joke
I'm in gullible mode today.
But with some of the things posted as of late, it didn;t look out of place!
Quote from: The GAA on April 23, 2009, 12:19:11 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on April 23, 2009, 12:13:10 PM
Could the Armagh posters please take all this mombo-jumbo who is in and who is out to the Armagh thread. It really is boring and is just a pile of rumour ::)
This is fact:
Quote from: The GAA on April 23, 2009, 10:08:11 AM
Donnelly is def gone.
micheal o'rourke is def gone
A fax?
Quote from: corn02 on April 23, 2009, 12:24:47 PM
Quote from: Onion Bag on April 23, 2009, 12:21:13 PM
That was just a rumour i tried to start corn, only a wee joke
I'm in gullible mode today.
But with some of the things posted as of late, it didn;t look out of place!
I know what you're saying young man
O'Neill could miss Tyrone-Armagh
Stephen O'Neill is in a race against time to be fit for Tyrone's Ulster SFC opener against Armagh on 31 May.
O'Neill did make a return to training earlier this month but manager Mickey Harte has acknowledged that the player continues to be a fitness concern.
"The knee injury he picked up in the Dublin game (NFL game on 31 January) is proving more difficult to get rid of than he had hoped," said Harte.
"He's working on it and he joins us from time to time."
"He has to manage it and that's what's going on at the minute.
"In my opinion, he would still be available for the Armagh game. I'd be very hopeful that he would."
O'Neill's Clann na nGael club-mate Brian Dooher is also battling to be fit for the Clones clash.
The double All-Ireland winning captain is still recovering from a groin operation which ruled him out of the entire NFL.
"It's a slow process with him too. He's a bit disappointed it hasn't moved faster for him. At the same time, he is making good progress," added Harte.
Meanwhile, Dromore defenders Sean O'Neill and Cathal McCarron face an anxious wait to discover if they will be available for the Armagh game after picking up straight red cards in against Moy at the weekend.
If the pair are banned for more than four weeks, they will be ineligible for the clash.
Sourced BBCi: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8022803.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8022803.stm)
Bullshit, he'll be playing, i guarantee ye
I hope so.
He deserves it, and all GAA fans do also.
Quote from: ExiledGael on April 28, 2009, 06:54:02 PM
I hope so.
He deserves it, and all GAA fans do also.
explain
He's been an honest hardworking player for years now. Almost a professional in terms of attitude. A feature on him in the IN a while back told how he and his girlfriend travelled to Sligo for a short break over the New Year. She drove down and he cycled there and back.
When fit he's one of the finest players in the game and a joy to watch. It's cruel that injury has robbed him and the GAA of some of his finest years.
Fair enuff...
Quote from: Onion Bag on April 28, 2009, 06:37:35 PM
Bullshit, he'll be playing, i guarantee ye
The talk around North Tyrone is that he's a whole lot worse than Harte's letting on
Wonder where they will put the Tyrone / Armagh Season Ticket Holders ?
Quote from: Shortso79 on April 28, 2009, 10:30:55 PM
Wonder where they will put the Tyrone / Armagh Season Ticket Holders ?
Beside the van selling prawn sandwiches.
It's an awful pain to think O'Neill will be less than 100% fit again and we're being robbed of his talents during his supposed prime. However I'm sure it's a much worse feeling for him.
From what i hear there'll be no championship footall for o'neill this or any other year
Quote from: The GAA on April 29, 2009, 10:14:37 AM
From what i hear there'll be no championship footall for o'neill this or any other year
u lose oneill we lose mc grane--call it a draw
but hopefully oneill will be back for the backdoor cos u will need him ::)
Quote from: Shortso79 on April 28, 2009, 10:30:55 PM
Wonder where they will put the Tyrone / Armagh Season Ticket Holders ?
We'll probably find out by e-mail 5 minutes before throw in. :P
Looks like Tyrone have lost all three S O'Neills for this match. One might be unfortunate and two careless, but three is funny.
Quote from: Donagh on April 29, 2009, 12:17:11 PM
Looks like Tyrone have lost all three S O'Neills for this match. One might be unfortunate and two careless, but three is funny.
Good one. Appeals pending of course. Not lost yet. ;)
QuoteLooks like Tyrone have lost all three S O'Neills for this match. One might be unfortunate and two careless, but three is funny.
All S. O'Neills should boycott anything GAA related until this injustice is rectified.
It's usually about this time of year that injuries or some setbacks happen
Next thing we'll lose Colm Cavanagh.
Quoteu lose oneill we lose mc grane--call it a draw
but hopefully oneill will be back for the backdoor cos u will need him
Huh? O'Neill or McGrane - I know who I would miss more!
You didn't miss him much last year...
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 29, 2009, 01:55:11 PM
Quoteu lose oneill we lose mc grane--call it a draw
but hopefully oneill will be back for the backdoor cos u will need him
Huh? O'Neill or McGrane - I know who I would miss more!
i agree we will miss mc grane more but hopefully vernon, toner and mckenna will step up to the plate
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on April 29, 2009, 02:11:06 PM
You didn't miss him much last year...
Well no, but he would be a much needed boost to the panel.
SO McGrane will be the bigger miss!
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on April 29, 2009, 02:50:24 PM
SO McGrane will be the bigger miss!
Na. But your collective misses is bigger.
Leave his wife out of it.
Quote from: Donagh on April 29, 2009, 12:17:11 PM
Looks like Tyrone have lost all three S O'Neills for this match. One might be unfortunate and two careless, but three is funny.
This S O'Neill will be available, but I doubt Mr Harte will play an old fart like me ;D ;D
Shane
Quote from: naka on April 29, 2009, 11:43:26 AM
Quote from: The GAA on April 29, 2009, 10:14:37 AM
From what i hear there'll be no championship footall for o'neill this or any other year
u lose oneill we lose mc grane--call it a draw
but hopefully oneill will be back for the backdoor cos u will need him ::)
Are youse going to empty the tank for an Ulster title again? ::)
I wonder what would happen to some posters here if Armagh beat Tyrone in the 1st round and Tyrone got beat in the 1st round of the qualifiers.
Would they just disappear or fade away ?
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on May 02, 2009, 01:11:02 AM
I wonder what would happen to some posters here if Armagh beat Tyrone in the 1st round and Tyrone got beat in the 1st round of the qualifiers.
Would they just disappear or fade away ?
Ach sure it would be a simple case of what you boy's have been telling yourselves since '02... "there's always next year" :P
Quote from: Tyrones own on May 02, 2009, 02:43:58 AM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on May 02, 2009, 01:11:02 AM
I wonder what would happen to some posters here if Armagh beat Tyrone in the 1st round and Tyrone got beat in the 1st round of the qualifiers.
Would they just disappear or fade away ?
Ach sure it would be a simple case of what you boy's have been telling yourselves since '02... "there's always next year" :P
twat
:D ;D
Stephen O'Neill will not be available. As long as he's fit for July onwards.
QuoteAs long as he's fit for July onwards.
You're right, the Tyrone championship is the important thing.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 02, 2009, 03:34:34 PM
QuoteAs long as he's fit for July onwards.
You're right, the Tyrone championship is the important thing.
Clan na Gael are already out. Beat last night.
Four Weeks today !!!
Quote from: Shortso79 on May 03, 2009, 12:06:09 PM
Four Weeks today !!!
Must get the cooler box sorted.
big blow for armagh today with charlie vernon suspected broken jaw >:(
anyone at the dublin v armagh game today lads?
Bennydorano has a report on the Armagh club thread Indiana.
cheers thanks.
Quote from: rootthemout on May 03, 2009, 06:13:56 PM
big blow for armagh today with charlie vernon suspected broken jaw >:(
Sorry to hear Charlie is out. I was never was into hoping the opposition had players injured or suspended. Bring on the best from both sides. The championship is going to see the best players. Hopefully he will be back soon... seen him playing in Sigerson and for Armagh last year against Down... a power house.
Worried about Armagh's low profile coming in to this. They're being written off in most publications. Armagh almost always play well in Clones and would fancy beating any side in Ireland there. We'll probably have no scoring forward like McDonnell starting that day so if he's on fire and getting plenty of ball we could be looking at another long route and going to hellholes like Louth.
Quote from: ONeill on May 04, 2009, 10:41:14 AM
Worried about Armagh's low profile coming in to this. They're being written off in most publications. Armagh almost always play well in Clones and would fancy beating any side in Ireland there. We'll probably have no scoring forward like McDonnell starting that day so if he's on fire and getting plenty of ball we could be looking at another long route and going to hellholes like Louth.
The Armagh team that almost awlays won in Clones though has passed on... This is an entirely new team! It's a great opportunity for this new team to step up though!
Quote from: ONeill on May 04, 2009, 10:41:14 AM
and going to hellholes like Louth.
I thought Drogheda put on a good show last 19th July :)
Armagh have been beaten in Clones by also rans like Monaghan and Derry, what chance do we have against the mighty Tyrone.
o neill yous are all ireland champs,clones shouldn,t hold any worries for yous ;)
Quote from: rootthemout on May 04, 2009, 02:36:10 PM
o neill yous are all ireland champs,clones shouldn,t hold any worries for yous ;)
At E5 a pint it does.
Quote from: ONeill on May 04, 2009, 10:41:14 AM
Worried about Armagh's low profile coming in to this. They're being written off in most publications. Armagh almost always play well in Clones and would fancy beating any side in Ireland there. We'll probably have no scoring forward like McDonnell starting that day so if he's on fire and getting plenty of ball we could be looking at another long route and going to hellholes like Louth.
A low profile wont help Armagh when the ball is thrown in. We have a lot of injury worries, lost several of our legends and had numerous defections from the camp. Tyrone will win this in a canter.
Hub will prob start midfield against armagh tho his club played in the championship and played at full forward,shows how strong division 2 football is in tyrone when he cant make midfield for his club
Quote from: stew on May 04, 2009, 07:30:39 PM
Quote from: ONeill on May 04, 2009, 10:41:14 AM
Worried about Armagh's low profile coming in to this. They're being written off in most publications. Armagh almost always play well in Clones and would fancy beating any side in Ireland there. We'll probably have no scoring forward like McDonnell starting that day so if he's on fire and getting plenty of ball we could be looking at another long route and going to hellholes like Louth.
A low profile wont help Armagh when the ball is thrown in. We have a lot of injury worries, lost several of our legends and had numerous defections from the camp. Tyrone will win this in a canter.
You here this craic about Armagh every year and you's still dominate Ulster. Did I not see that you's beat the Dubs yesterday by 2 and were well ahead before making 12 changes. The Dubs had a strong team out to. There wont be much in it either way on the 31st May. Lets not forget Down were able to beat Tyrone last year in Ulster and Armagh would be stronger again than that.
Quote from: Family guy on May 04, 2009, 07:38:51 PM
Hub will prob start midfield against armagh tho his club played in the championship and played at full forward,shows how strong division 2 football is in tyrone when he cant make midfield for his club
and he aint no forward :D :D
Quote from: tyronefan on May 04, 2009, 08:13:13 PM
Quote from: Family guy on May 04, 2009, 07:38:51 PM
Hub will prob start midfield against armagh tho his club played in the championship and played at full forward,shows how strong division 2 football is in tyrone when he cant make midfield for his club
and he aint no forward :D :D
I know and he scored 1 03 the pomeroy full back must b bad lol
QuoteLets not forget Down were able to beat Tyrone last year in Ulster and Armagh would be stronger again than that.
True. We are not the team we were, but we are still stronger than Down. Tyrone know that and will adjust accordingly.
Quote from: Family guy on May 04, 2009, 08:31:39 PM
Quote from: tyronefan on May 04, 2009, 08:13:13 PM
Quote from: Family guy on May 04, 2009, 07:38:51 PM
Hub will prob start midfield against armagh tho his club played in the championship and played at full forward,shows how strong division 2 football is in tyrone when he cant make midfield for his club
and he aint no forward :D :D
I know and he scored 1 03 the pomeroy full back must b bad lol
And the goalposts were 20 fut wide !!!
According to RTE's live schedule for this years championship the backdoor games begin on Saturday July 4th. What are the chances Charlie Vernon will be back for this? or a possible Ulster final on Sunday July 19th?
It looks like Armagh really have no other option other than Kieran Toner and David McKenna at midfield for May 31st against Tyrone. I'd assume this will mean Donaghy at full back, Andy Mallon at corner back and either Paul Kernan or Barry Shannon taking up the remaining corner back position?
The most obvious replacements for Charlie are either McKenna and Lavery. Even though Lavery has been poor this year, I don't think McKenna has really done a lot to put himself ahead in the pecking order. The other guys like O'Neill, Martin and Courtney won't come into the reckoning I don't think. Donaghy is a decent outside bet to be brought out, Tyrone aren't likely to play a big Kieran Donaghy-like FF so we could possibly get away with 3 corner backs in the FB line.
On another note, presuming it isn't just bullshit, if O'Neill doesn't make the game does this mean that McKeever is free to pick up Cavanagh? That tussle would be worth looking forward to.
Are the tickets out yet ? ;)
Cathal McCarron got 12 weeks suspension ruling him out to date of Ulster Final. Sean O'Neill got 4 weeks so available for Armagh game.
Quote from: AFS on May 05, 2009, 01:32:54 AM
The most obvious replacements for Charlie are either McKenna and Lavery. Even though Lavery has been poor this year, I don't think McKenna has really done a lot to put himself ahead in the pecking order. The other guys like O'Neill, Martin and Courtney won't come into the reckoning I don't think. Donaghy is a decent outside bet to be brought out, Tyrone aren't likely to play a big Kieran Donaghy-like FF so we could possibly get away with 3 corner backs in the FB line.
On another note, presuming it isn't just bullshit, if O'Neill doesn't make the game does this mean that McKeever is free to pick up Cavanagh? That tussle would be worth looking forward to.
I think that would result in a McKeever red card brought on by frustration.
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on May 05, 2009, 10:23:18 AM
Cathal McCarron got 12 weeks suspension ruling him out to date of Ulster Final. Sean O'Neill got 4 weeks so available for Armagh game.
McCarron did not deserve 12 weeks! Red O'neill did not overly deserve his 4 week suspension. Another royal c**k up by M.Hughes!! Shame on him!!
Sorry lads but I can't shed any light on the Stevie O'Neill story as nobody seems to know for sure except the man himself.
It's the same knee he was having loads of trouble with before so I'm not too optmistic for him & would imagine he'll rest it as much as possible until later on in the summer, should we still be there.
I presume there was no other injuries over the weekend?
Good to see Dooher playing a full 60 mins & wouldn't be surprised if he starts in Clones.
Who do we feel is gonna be the full back line then for the 31st?
Will Justy make it? Is Joey injured again?
Will it be between PJ Quinn, Swift & McGee for the CB position?
POSSIBLE TEAM
1. DEVINE
2. QUINN
3. GORMLEY
4. CARLIN
5. HARTE
6. RICEY
7. JORDAN
8. MCGINLEY
9. CASSIDY
10. DOOHER
11. MCGUIGAN
12. PENROSE (JOE MCMAHON IF FIT)
13. MCCULLAGH (COMING OUT FIELD)
14. CAVANAGH
15. MUGSY
McGinley will certainly be playing
Quote from: longball on May 05, 2009, 03:06:03 PM
POSSIBLE TEAM
1. DEVINE
2. QUINN
3. GORMLEY
4. CARLIN
5. HARTE
6. RICEY
7. JORDAN
8. HUB
9. CASSIDY
10. DOOHER
11. MCGUIGAN
12. PENROSE
13. MCCULLAGH (COMING OUT FIELD)
14. CAVANAGH
15. MUGSY
I'd say Tommy mc Guigan's a cert in the forward line and Red Sean a cert in defence ( FB line ) and Mc Ginley in MF. if Justin is fit he'll be playing as well.
TOMMY POSSIBLY FOR MCCULLAGH
DONT THINK RED WILL START
IVE EDITED MY TEAM ALREADY ::)
Quote from: longball on May 05, 2009, 03:06:03 PM
POSSIBLE TEAM
1. DEVINE
2. QUINN
3. GORMLEY
4. CARLIN
5. HARTE
6. RICEY
7. JORDAN
8. MCGINLEY
9. CASSIDY
10. DOOHER
11. MCGUIGAN
12. PENROSE (JOE MCMAHON IF FIT)
13. MCCULLAGH (COMING OUT FIELD)
14. CAVANAGH
15. MUGSY
I`d be happy enough playing against this team
But will you get your place naka?
Quote from: The GAA on May 05, 2009, 03:26:07 PM
But will you get your place naka?
at 41 years old I dont think so, but hey I have plenty of experience ::)
1. Devine
2. Ricey
3. Justin McMahon
4. Quinn
5. Harte
6. Gormley
7. Jordan
8. McGinley
9. Hub
10. Dooher
11. Cavanagh
12. Joe McMahon
13. Tommy McGuigan
14. Cassidy
15. Mulligan
I think Gormley will be named at 6 but will swap with Ricey to pick up McDonnell. Justy (if fit) will definately start and be tasked with marking Clarke. I don't think Brian McGuigan will start but will be used as a 2nd half sub (probably for Cassidy with Cavanagh moving to FF) Not sure McCullagh will get a starting place as Mulligan and Tommy offer more as ball winning scoring forwards but may need either him of Brian MCGuigan to start for their creativeness, not sure how to accomodate this, but i think Cassidy will start and be the main suprise on the Tyrone team come the 31st.
Would be very suprised if Cassidy starts this one. Started off the season ok in midfield but struggled against Kerry at midfield (did well at full forward) and injuries have restricted his chances since. Would also be suprised if Sean O'Neill doesnt start in defence. Was good any time he played and very comfortable on the ball.
Quote from: AFS on May 05, 2009, 01:32:54 AM
The most obvious replacements for Charlie are either McKenna and Lavery. Even though Lavery has been poor this year, I don't think McKenna has really done a lot to put himself ahead in the pecking order. The other guys like O'Neill, Martin and Courtney won't come into the reckoning I don't think. Donaghy is a decent outside bet to be brought out, Tyrone aren't likely to play a big Kieran Donaghy-like FF so we could possibly get away with 3 corner backs in the FB line.
On another note, presuming it isn't just bullshit, if O'Neill doesn't make the game does this mean that McKeever is free to pick up Cavanagh? That tussle would be worth looking forward to.
Heard Toner started full back on Sunday? With Vernon out he'll have to play midfield against Tyrone though. I'd agree its between Lavery and McKenna but think its a pity Gareth O'Neill wasn't given a chance at all this year.
Has McKenna even played much this year? Big blow Vernon out, lucky we are up against Tyrone who have their own midfield worries...A lottery who wins that battle! Asides from that I'd worry about our half-forwards against the Tyrone hb line :-\
Kevin Hughes/Colm Holmes will be there for support.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on May 05, 2009, 10:40:23 PM
Quote from: AFS on May 05, 2009, 01:32:54 AM
The most obvious replacements for Charlie are either McKenna and Lavery. Even though Lavery has been poor this year, I don't think McKenna has really done a lot to put himself ahead in the pecking order. The other guys like O'Neill, Martin and Courtney won't come into the reckoning I don't think. Donaghy is a decent outside bet to be brought out, Tyrone aren't likely to play a big Kieran Donaghy-like FF so we could possibly get away with 3 corner backs in the FB line.
On another note, presuming it isn't just bullshit, if O'Neill doesn't make the game does this mean that McKeever is free to pick up Cavanagh? That tussle would be worth looking forward to.
Heard Toner started full back on Sunday? With Vernon out he'll have to play midfield against Tyrone though. I'd agree its between Lavery and McKenna but think its a pity Gareth O'Neill wasn't given a chance at all this year.
He certainly did. I think he did extremely well there, if Charlie hadn't got his jaw broken on Sunday I would have said to keep Toner as full back, without Charlie though, I feel McDonnell has no option. Paul Duffy played well too as did Rafferty.
O'Neill would be my choice for partnering toner but as has been said, he hasn't played at all this year.
Armagh by 3 ;D
Quote from: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on May 06, 2009, 10:59:27 AM
Armagh by 3 ;D
Ok with that, but Tyrone will have it wrapped up by half 3 ;)
now that vernon is injured mc donnell should do waht ever is necessary to get john mac entee back,
we need some experience in the middle,
i would be comfortable with john mac and mc kenna, with Toner at full back
lavery for me doesnt cut the mustard though to be fair he needs a years football after his injury
McEntee wouldn't cut it in there any more either naka i don't believe. McDonnell's problem now is that he needs an "attacking" midfielder in there alongside toner. there just isn't one. McKenna is the natural thought but he is o far off the pace he couldn't be seriously considered.
Quote from: The GAA on May 06, 2009, 12:16:04 PM
McEntee wouldn't cut it in there any more either naka i don't believe. McDonnell's problem now is that he needs an "attacking" midfielder in there alongside toner. there just isn't one. McKenna is the natural thought but he is o far off the pace he couldn't be seriously considered.
TONER is still very young and would probably be a better call for full back to mark cavanagh,
I rate Mc Kenna and would have john mac in there with him as a destructive present and also cos he is superb at playing the diagonal ball for clarke,mc donnell
with toner at full back it allows donaghy and mallon to be corner backs , with AK, cmck, and either shannon or finnian mo as half backs
without mac entee we are still missing a centre half forward and a midfielder as i would not play MOR as centre half forward but rather as a wing half forward with BM on the other side
Sorry, am I missing something or has John Mac rejoined the Armagh squad????
Nope, havent missed a thing BC
Pie in the sky ideas here Im afraid :-\
JOHN MCENTEE HAS RETIRED AND WONT BE COMING BACK!!!! CAN WE PLEASE MOVE ON??!
Quote from: ExiledGael on April 28, 2009, 07:21:33 PM
He's been an honest hardworking player for years now. Almost a professional in terms of attitude. A feature on him in the IN a while back told how he and his girlfriend travelled to Sligo for a short break over the New Year. She drove down and he cycled there and back.
When fit he's one of the finest players in the game and a joy to watch. It's cruel that injury has robbed him and the GAA of some of his finest years.
and dropping off the panel of course
Quote from: charlie stubbs on May 06, 2009, 06:28:50 PM
Quote from: ExiledGael on April 28, 2009, 07:21:33 PM
He's been an honest hardworking player for years now. Almost a professional in terms of attitude. A feature on him in the IN a while back told how he and his girlfriend travelled to Sligo for a short break over the New Year. She drove down and he cycled there and back.
When fit he's one of the finest players in the game and a joy to watch. It's cruel that injury has robbed him and the GAA of some of his finest years.
and dropping off the panel of course
He only retired as he was frustrated with all the injuries he was having and decided it was best to give it a break for a while. Looked like it was worth it the performance he gave v Dublin in opening league game but sadly his injury jinx has hit him again.
Any truth in the rumours John McEntee is coming back?
;)
James Lavery just can not play against Tyrone, he lacks mobility and performed very poorly in the League. Alright McKenna hasn't played much at inter county level and hasn't the fielding ability that a 6 foot 5 man should have but he has more football in his wee finger than Lavery.
John Mac seen back at training this week ??
Charlie Vernon highly unlikely to play again, very serious damage done. Terrible news for the lad.
Quote from: Diet Coke on May 06, 2009, 09:46:09 PM
Charlie Vernon highly unlikely to play again, very serious damage done. Terrible news for the lad.
You're not serious? That is unreal if true, an absolute tragedy
Quote from: Diet Coke on May 06, 2009, 09:46:09 PM
Charlie Vernon highly unlikely to play again, very serious damage done. Terrible news for the lad.
You're joking ! No way. What has he done ?
For a broken jaw? Surely a few plates could sort out the worst injury there?
Apparently he requires surgery to insert a plate and a hook....I'm not 100% sure of the technical term....meaning that contact sport is over for him.....it's tragic for him, Armagh football, and especially Harps.......I hope he gets over this quickly and feel that the guy is a natural at most sports....so maybe he'll pursue the golf, or some other non contact sport.
I wish him well......an absolute gent!
Woeful news, cruel blow for the lad, best to him.
No harm, but I find that seriously hard to believe, especially after what the likes of Brian McGuigan has gone through.
This isnt true. He'll be back in 6weeks
Quote from: The JCB Man.. on May 06, 2009, 10:54:46 PM
This isnt true. He'll be back in 6weeks
Thank God for that. Where do these stories come out of ?
Quote from: orangeman on May 06, 2009, 11:05:43 PM
Quote from: The JCB Man.. on May 06, 2009, 10:54:46 PM
This isnt true. He'll be back in 6weeks
Thank God for that. Where do these stories come out of ?
If the story that he is finished for good is a load of bull. you would love to nail the arsehole that started the rumour, cos someone did
Rumours like this are a disgrace really...
Sad, suppose the young ones are off on study, so they must be getting bored! :'(
JCB Man, can I ask how you are so certain?
Are you a Harps man?
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on May 06, 2009, 11:35:53 PM
JCB Man, can I ask how you are so certain?
Are you a Harps man?
I know his brother :)
Good enough for me JCB man
Have been trying to get in touch with a few Harps ones I know but no joy so thanks for that
Quote from: Gaffer on May 06, 2009, 11:15:48 PM
Quote from: orangeman on May 06, 2009, 11:05:43 PM
Quote from: The JCB Man.. on May 06, 2009, 10:54:46 PM
This isnt true. He'll be back in 6weeks
Thank God for that. Where do these stories come out of ?
If the story that he is finished for good is a load of bull. you would love to nail the arsehole that started the rumour, cos someone did
I hope it is wrong and look forward to pricks like you trying to nail me......you are welcome to try, anytime you fancy ::)
Quote from: Diet Coke on May 06, 2009, 10:23:10 PM
Apparently he requires surgery to insert a plate and a hook....I'm not 100% sure of the technical term....meaning that contact sport is over for him.....it's tragic for him, Armagh football, and especially Harps.......I hope he gets over this quickly and feel that the guy is a natural at most sports....so maybe he'll pursue the golf, or some other non contact sport.
I wish him well......an absolute gent!
ABSOLUTE 100% RUBBISH, WHOEVER POSTED THIS SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF THEMSELVES.
Head hanging in shame, Judas, be delighted to see him back.
what did they drink at the last supper?
Judas's Carryout! BOOM BOOM!!
Charlie's recovery period is going to be normal. He's been told he can train in 4 weeks(non-contact), full contact training after 6 weeks and then it's up to himself, so he could be playing in July
Quote from: bennydorano on May 07, 2009, 11:09:20 AM
Charlie's recovery period is going to be normal. He's been told he can train in 4 weeks(non-contact), full contact training after 6 weeks and then it's up to himself, so he could be playing in July
Good news.
Quote from: bennydorano on May 07, 2009, 11:09:20 AM
Charlie's recovery period is going to be normal. He's been told he can train in 4 weeks(non-contact), full contact training after 6 weeks and then it's up to himself, so he could be playing in July
Happy days, we will have him back for the Ulster Final Then
Quote from: Onion Bag on May 07, 2009, 12:52:11 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on May 07, 2009, 11:09:20 AM
Charlie's recovery period is going to be normal. He's been told he can train in 4 weeks(non-contact), full contact training after 6 weeks and then it's up to himself, so he could be playing in July
Happy days, we will have him back for the Ulster Final Then
Didn't know he was a Scor man, I suppose it would be hard to sing a good aul ballad with a broken jaw ;)
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 07, 2009, 02:35:19 PM
Quote from: Onion Bag on May 07, 2009, 12:52:11 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on May 07, 2009, 11:09:20 AM
Charlie's recovery period is going to be normal. He's been told he can train in 4 weeks(non-contact), full contact training after 6 weeks and then it's up to himself, so he could be playing in July
Happy days, we will have him back for the Ulster Final Then
Didn't know he was a Scor man, I suppose it would be hard to sing a good aul ballad with a broken jaw ;)
Ahhh, that 'oul Tyrone wit.........gets me everytime :-[
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 07, 2009, 02:35:19 PM
Quote from: Onion Bag on May 07, 2009, 12:52:11 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on May 07, 2009, 11:09:20 AM
Charlie's recovery period is going to be normal. He's been told he can train in 4 weeks(non-contact), full contact training after 6 weeks and then it's up to himself, so he could be playing in July
Happy days, we will have him back for the Ulster Final Then
Didn't know he was a Scor man, I suppose it would be hard to sing a good aul ballad with a broken jaw ;)
No No No Omagh Gael, you are so sleepy, Im talking about the ULSTER FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP FINAL, he should be be back in time for that,
For a man not in the know, how's Charlie break his jaw?
Quote from: wherefromreferee? on May 07, 2009, 03:01:38 PM
For a man not in the know, how's Charlie break his jaw?
Accidental collision on last Sunday in a challenge match v Dublin.
Quote from: Diet Coke on May 07, 2009, 08:04:59 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on May 06, 2009, 11:15:48 PM
Quote from: orangeman on May 06, 2009, 11:05:43 PM
Quote from: The JCB Man.. on May 06, 2009, 10:54:46 PM
This isnt true. He'll be back in 6weeks
Thank God for that. Where do these stories come out of ?
If the story that he is finished for good is a load of bull. you would love to nail the arsehole that started the rumour, cos someone did
I hope it is wrong and look forward to pricks like you trying to nail me......you are welcome to try, anytime you fancy ::)
Hope youve learned a lesson from this, Diet Coke
He only retired as he was frustrated with all the injuries he was having and decided it was best to give it a break for a while. Looked like it was worth it the performance he gave v Dublin in opening league game but sadly his injury jinx has hit him again.
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hmm picked a convenient time to forget about his frustrations with injury and remember his love for the county ::)
Quote from: bennydorano on May 07, 2009, 11:09:20 AM
Charlie's recovery period is going to be normal. He's been told he can train in 4 weeks(non-contact), full contact training after 6 weeks and then it's up to himself, so he could be playing in July
Good news
If someone says something unfounded with enough authority, a la young Diet Coke, then it can often be accepted as fact and the thing starts to circulate. No need for it really, but some people have very little to be at in their spare time.
Hopefully Charlie V will be back fit again with Armagh this summer - he's a very dedicated player and it would be a shame if he misses out.
I would be very sure that diet coke meant no harm here lads - he has been a passionate supporter of the GAA both home and abroad for many many years!
There'll be no-one more glad than him that this story is wrong.
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on May 07, 2009, 09:53:53 PM
I would be very sure that diet coke meant no harm here lads - he has been a passionate supporter of the GAA both home and abroad for many many years!
There'll be no-one more glad than him that this story is wrong.
Fair enough Rufus. He must be ok if you vouch for him.
Any word on Peadar Toal? Is he 100% gone from the Armagh panel? He could do a handy job in the half-forward line. Also why not start Stefan Forker in the full forward line along with Stevie McD and Ronan Clarke?
What's the feeling in Armagh this year about Stevie McDonnell?
Can he get back to his form of 2003?
I can clearly remember him on fire that day in the final with him being double marked but still able to win his own ball and kick points from unreal angles.
Tyrone's full back line are still a potential weak point I feel with it always being changed with no definite corner forwards.
Saying that we held the twin towers well last year but I hope Harte doesn't put someone like Carlin or Swift on McDonnell or even young PJ Quinn might struggle on him
Wonder could Joey become a regular corner back if marking a like sized corner forward?
Mc Donnell blows hot and cold, there are days that he is a joy to watch and worth the gate fee alone, and there are others that he just doesnt get into it at all, silly passes, snap shots at goal, and then the head drops,
heres hoping its the former comr the 31st ;)
What are peoples thoughts on the Armagh 1st 15 for the 31st, there have been that many rumours of people walking and now we have Big Charlie missing, what sort of team will take the pitch, Im going to have a stab at it
(1) P Hearty
(2) A Mallon
(3) B Donaghy
(4) B Shannon
(5) A Kernan
(6) K Mc Keever
(7) Finn Mo
(8) K Toner
(9) D Mc Kenna
(10) M O Rourke
(11) B Mallon
(12) P Duffy
(13) S Mc Donnell
(14) R Clarke
(15) T Kernan
I could be miles out, but its only a guess, Opinions please!
My Team, posted on another forum...
McEvoy - better all round than hearty but lacks experience. hearty has cost armagh too many times at this stage
Mallon
Donaghy - good player out of form but hopefully he'llcome good
Shannon - consistent
Aaron - lose too much from his game at h forward
AOR - no brainer for me
McKeever - completes the strongest line on the team
Toner - only midfield option with a decent work ethic
O'Neill / Lavery - neither are really ready
McKenna - not able for the physical battle of midfield yet but his strong running may be usefu;
Mor - Now one of armagh's best players
Mallon - more in hope than expectaion
McDonnell
Clarke
Forker - best of an as yet unfulfilled bunch of pretenders
Quote from: DuffleKing on May 08, 2009, 12:10:21 PM
My Team, posted on another forum...
McEvoy - better all round than hearty but lacks experience. hearty has cost armagh too many times at this stage
Mallon
Donaghy - good player out of form but hopefully he'llcome good
Shannon - consistent
Aaron - lose too much from his game at h forward
AOR - no brainer for me
McKeever - completes the strongest line on the team
Toner - only midfield option with a decent work ethic
O'Neill / Lavery - neither are really ready
McKenna - not able for the physical battle of midfield yet but his strong running may be usefu;
Mor - Now one of armagh's best players
Mallon - more in hope than expectaion
McDonnell
Clarke
Forker - best of an as yet unfulfilled bunch of pretenders
I wouldnt have Lavery or O Neill for that matter anywhere near the team, they have been terrible any chance they did get, Mc Kenna although hasnt really featured for the county, had some outstanding displays for Cross this year aginst some top opposition, so i think he is a better option for midfield, P duffy and T Kernan will give us a more scoring threat, AOR i feel has not got the mobility to cope with the Tyrone Half Forward, we will need a speedy mobile defensive unit.
Although Mc Evoy in goals may be an option
That team's not far away. I keep changing my view in the last few weeks. i'd have duffy at wing forward for McKenna i think. I don't think we have an answer to the current midfield problem. O'Neill is probably as good as we've got if you're talking about pure ball winning - he has dominated McKenna any time i've seen them up against each other, but then ball winning is likely to be at a minimum against tyrone. not sure about shannon at this stage, though i don't see an alternative - maybe paul kernan? actually, i'm worried about donaghy too - his form has been terrible in my view, as bad as brian mallon's. though again, we haven't massive options.
i have no issues with o'rourke at centre back - the mobility thing is a bit of an urban myth as i've never seen him troubled in that regard. i'll go along with forker i suppose - again because of the lack of a viable alternative. for me:
McEvoy
Mallon
Donaghy
Kernan
Kernan
O'Rourke
McKeever
Toner
AN Other
Duffy
O'Rourke
Mallon
McDonnell
Clarke
Forker
Starting 15 against Tyrone
(1) P McEvoy
(2) A Mallon
(3) B Donaghy
(4) P Kernan
(5) B Shannon
(6) K McKeever
(7) Paul Duffy
(8) K Toner
(9) D Mc Kenna
(10) A Kernan
(11) M O'Rourke
(12) S McDonnell
(13) K O'Rourke or R Henderson
(14) R Clarke
(15) Stefan Forker
Brian Mallon has NOT produced for Armagh in a very long time so I can't understand why he is an automatic choice on everyone's starting 15. Any word on Paedar Toal? Is he 100% gone from the Armagh panel for 2009?
Quote from: The GAA on May 08, 2009, 01:04:40 PM
That team's not far away. I keep changing my view in the last few weeks. i'd have duffy at wing forward for McKenna i think. I don't think we have an answer to the current midfield problem. O'Neill is probably as good as we've got if you're talking about pure ball winning - he has dominated McKenna any time i've seen them up against each other, but then ball winning is likely to be at a minimum against tyrone. not sure about shannon at this stage, though i don't see an alternative - maybe paul kernan? actually, i'm worried about donaghy too - his form has been terrible in my view, as bad as brian mallon's. though again, we haven't massive options.
i have no issues with o'rourke at centre back - the mobility thing is a bit of an urban myth as i've never seen him troubled in that regard. i'll go along with forker i suppose - again because of the lack of a viable alternative. for me:
Forker
Forker has yet to impress me at senior level for either club or county. Consequently I cant see him starting against Tyrone. I would start K O Rourke but its a tough call.
Duffleking - are you a Dromintee man by any chance? To have no reservations about AOR and consider MOR one of the best players smacks of club bias. However, I too would have McAvoy ahead of Hearty, but think McDonnell; will go with the experience of Hearty.
Has any player in Armagh's history divided people's opinions as much as MOR? He does see a lot of ball, but I'd love to see the stats on what happens next. He can be fantastic, and if he was consistent I might agree with you on his standing within the team. I wouldn't mind his low scoring average for a half forward, but I have been at too many matches where he has been the cause of moves breaking down with misplaced passes. And wides galore. And a cantankerous nark.
On the O'Rourkes, for me Cathal was the daddy of them all, while Aidan was the supreme club CHB in Armagh (inc Francie). The other two, meh!
By the way have my own club bias, would have Nippy and Peadar as first 15 starter material. Sadly for reasons known :-\ and unknown they are unavailable.
Quote from: PatDaly on May 08, 2009, 01:07:00 PM
Starting 15 against Tyrone
(1) P McEvoy
(2) A Mallon
(3) B Donaghy
(4) P Kernan
(5) B Shannon
(6) K McKeever
(7) Paul Duffy
(8) K Toner
(9) D Mc Kenna
(10) A Kernan
(11) M O'Rourke
(12) S McDonnell
(13) K O'Rourke or R Henderson
(14) R Clarke
(15) Stefan Forker
Brian Mallon has NOT produced for Armagh in a very long time so I can't understand why he is an automatic choice on everyone's starting 15. Any word on Paedar Toal? Is he 100% gone from the Armagh panel for 2009?
Toal is gone a long time. Mallon has been playing poorly but it has been dotted with brief spells of good stuff, so hopefully his best is just below the surface. why do i get the feeling you haven't seen much of armagh this year pat?
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Toal is gone a long time. Mallon has been playing poorly but it has been dotted with brief spells of good stuff, so hopefully his best is just below the surface. why do i get the feeling you haven't seen much of armagh this year pat?
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and I'm guessing you haven't missed a game all year?
Big weekend of club championship action in Tyrone. Looking forward to Dromore and Coalisland tonight prior to Naimh Eanna's opener against Eglish tomorrow in Galbally. The beard will be hoping for no nasty injuries and no stupid suspensions. The full back line against ard mhaca will be interesting. Swift, Carlin, PJ, Gourley, McGee all in contention, although I think they are fighting for one corner as Justy and Ricey are automatic selections for me if both fit.
Quote from: PatDaly on May 08, 2009, 01:29:29 PM
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Toal is gone a long time. Mallon has been playing poorly but it has been dotted with brief spells of good stuff, so hopefully his best is just below the surface. why do i get the feeling you haven't seen much of armagh this year pat?
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and I'm guessing you haven't missed a game all year?
Just enough to know that the aaron experiment in the h forward line got as much daliance as the same aor one and won't happen in the championship. duffy won't be playing in defence and McDonnell won't be playing in the hlf forward line.
Quote from: Onion Bag on May 08, 2009, 11:49:10 AM
What are peoples thoughts on the Armagh 1st 15 for the 31st, there have been that many rumours of people walking and now we have Big Charlie missing, what sort of team will take the pitch, Im going to have a stab at it
(1) P Hearty
(2) A Mallon
(3) B Donaghy
(4) B Shannon
(5) A Kernan
(6) K Mc Keever
(7) Finn Mo
(8) K Toner
(9) D Mc Kenna
(10) M O Rourke
(11) B Mallon
(12) P Duffy
(13) S Mc Donnell
(14) R Clarke
(15) T Kernan
I could be miles out, but its only a guess, Opinions please!
posibly the best team i hav seen yet!
the only problem i would have is hearty. its time for mcevoy to step up. plus i would also say kevin orourke could be in with a shout ahead of tony kernan
Quote from: Skiddybadoo on May 08, 2009, 01:20:55 PM
Has any player in Armagh's history divided people's opinions as much as MOR? He does see a lot of ball, but I'd love to see the stats on what happens next. He can be fantastic, and if he was consistent I might agree with you on his standing within the team. I wouldn't mind his low scoring average for a half forward, but I have been at too many matches where he has been the cause of moves breaking down with misplaced passes. And wides galore. And a cantankerous nark.
If Marty does not play against Tyrone you will soon change your opinion. Your point about him being amongst the best players may have a point but for me we have some certain starters:
Mallon, Aaron, McKeever, Marty, McDonnell and Clarke - being in that list would suggest he is amongst the best on the team.
Toner is a certain starter in my book too
Quote from: pearseog on May 08, 2009, 02:13:53 PM
Quote from: Onion Bag on May 08, 2009, 11:49:10 AM
What are peoples thoughts on the Armagh 1st 15 for the 31st, there have been that many rumours of people walking and now we have Big Charlie missing, what sort of team will take the pitch, Im going to have a stab at it
(1) P Hearty
(2) A Mallon
(3) B Donaghy
(4) B Shannon
(5) A Kernan
(6) K Mc Keever
(7) Finn Mo
(8) K Toner
(9) D Mc Kenna
(10) M O Rourke
(11) B Mallon
(12) P Duffy
(13) S Mc Donnell
(14) R Clarke
(15) T Kernan
I could be miles out, but its only a guess, Opinions please!
posibly the best team i hav seen yet!
the only problem i would have is hearty. its time for mcevoy to step up. plus i would also say kevin orourke could be in with a shout ahead of tony kernan
Cheers Pearse Og for the vote of Confidence, Mc Evoy is the only change i would have no problem with, The reason i put Tony Kernan ahead of Kevin O Rourke is for his Free Kicking ability, i think they both will pose the same threat from open play, but like i said only my opinion
Quote from: The GAA on May 08, 2009, 02:24:48 PM
Toner is a certain starter in my book too
Yes, true.
But at the start of the year he wouldn;t have been, but Vernon and McGrane are away so he can slot in there too.
Quote from: Onion Bag on May 08, 2009, 02:30:54 PM
Quote from: pearseog on May 08, 2009, 02:13:53 PM
Quote from: Onion Bag on May 08, 2009, 11:49:10 AM
What are peoples thoughts on the Armagh 1st 15 for the 31st, there have been that many rumours of people walking and now we have Big Charlie missing, what sort of team will take the pitch, Im going to have a stab at it
(1) P Hearty
(2) A Mallon
(3) B Donaghy
(4) B Shannon
(5) A Kernan
(6) K Mc Keever
(7) Finn Mo
(8) K Toner
(9) D Mc Kenna
(10) M O Rourke
(11) B Mallon
(12) P Duffy
(13) S Mc Donnell
(14) R Clarke
(15) T Kernan
I could be miles out, but its only a guess, Opinions please!
posibly the best team i hav seen yet!
the only problem i would have is hearty. its time for mcevoy to step up. plus i would also say kevin orourke could be in with a shout ahead of tony kernan
Cheers Pearse Og for the vote of Confidence, Mc Evoy is the only change i would have no problem with, The reason i put Tony Kernan ahead of Kevin O Rourke is for his Free Kicking ability, i think they both will pose the same threat from open play, but like i said only my opinion
Could be very, very crucial.
the 2 best free takers in the county, Carville and Stevenson aren't in the panel. While I have expressed doubts over Stevenson, despite his size I would say both could have been given a chance. While Carville is of similar stature, he has shown in McKenna cup that he can stand up to intercounty players. Perhaps Stevenson could do the same given a go.
Free taking is a MAJOR problem for us this year IMO.
Quote from: eireogatron on May 08, 2009, 02:54:33 PM
the 2 best free takers in the county, Carville and Stevenson aren't in the panel. While I have expressed doubts over Stevenson, despite his size I would say both could have been given a chance. While Carville is of similar stature, he has shown in McKenna cup that he can stand up to intercounty players. Perhaps Stevenson could do the same given a go.
Free taking is a MAJOR problem for us this year IMO.
TK can;t be to far behind, class from frees.
Quote from: eireogatron on May 08, 2009, 02:54:33 PM
the 2 best free takers in the county, Carville and Stevenson aren't in the panel. While I have expressed doubts over Stevenson, despite his size I would say both could have been given a chance. While Carville is of similar stature, he has shown in McKenna cup that he can stand up to intercounty players. Perhaps Stevenson could do the same given a go.
Free taking is a MAJOR problem for us this year IMO.
I don't think it is really, we're as well catered for as most counties in this regard. Between Stevie and Aaron we are pretty well covered for frees within about 35 yards of goal. Whatever about frees from further out, as long as you're able to put over the handy ones you'll be doing alright.
Stevies free taking is NOT good on the big stage, not good at all IMO
AFS, the other not so handy frees outside 35 yards, T Kernan is the man for them, 45's etc
Quote from: corn02 on May 08, 2009, 02:20:30 PM
Quote from: Skiddybadoo on May 08, 2009, 01:20:55 PM
If Marty does not play against Tyrone you will soon change your opinion. Your point about him being amongst the best players may have a point but for me we have some certain starters:
Mallon, Aaron, McKeever, Marty, McDonnell and Clarke - being in that list would suggest he is amongst the best on the team.
I know what you mean, Corn. I made the comment that his absence more than any other was noticed in Cork - although everyone bar Chrlie had a mare that game. Consistency and errors are my main concern with MOR. Indispensible when playing well. Does he exert any kind of dressing room influence, do you know?
Still very quiet from the Tyrone lads so far.
Wonder has Penrose played himself into the starting line up again after his 7 points last night for his club?
As a matter of interest which 6 forwards would ye Armagh lads want so see take the field?
I'd say the battle of MF and the ball into Clarke & Stevie M will be crucial.
What ever happened to Loughran?
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 08, 2009, 03:28:14 PM
Still very quiet from the Tyrone lads so far.
Wonder has Penrose played himself into the starting line up again after his 7 points last night for his club?
As a matter of interest which 6 forwards would ye Armagh lads want so see take the field?
I'd say the battle of MF and the ball into Clarke & Stevie M will be crucial.
What ever happened to Loughran?
Whenever Tyrone are playing Killyclogher Penrose will be the first man on the team sheet ::)
i think he only got 2 from play though??
Quote from: pearseog on May 08, 2009, 02:13:53 PM
Quote from: Onion Bag on May 08, 2009, 11:49:10 AM
What are peoples thoughts on the Armagh 1st 15 for the 31st, there have been that many rumours of people walking and now we have Big Charlie missing, what sort of team will take the pitch, Im going to have a stab at it
(1) P Hearty
(2) A Mallon
(3) B Donaghy
(4) B Shannon
(5) A Kernan
(6) K Mc Keever
(7) Finn Mo
(8) K Toner
(9) D Mc Kenna
(10) M O Rourke
(11) B Mallon
(12) P Duffy
(13) S Mc Donnell
(14) R Clarke
(15) T Kernan
I could be miles out, but its only a guess, Opinions please!
posibly the best team i hav seen yet!
the only problem i would have is hearty. its time for mcevoy to step up. plus i would also say kevin orourke could be in with a shout ahead of tony kernan
would agree that looks a good side.think mcd/clarke have start in ff line due to their understanding and opportunity to exploit one of tyrones weaker lines. kernan to play out the field and gives us a genuine free taker(to me mcdonnell isnt) this gives us options from the bench 2. i feel sk,henderson and kor could be better impact subs in a game of this magnitude
heard good reports regarding duffy last sunday v the dubs and the half forward line is definately an area we need toi improve imo. could also switch the odd time with ak.
to me finn mo is more suited out the field and has been playing number 7 in tones 1st two lague games.
shannon has doe well in the league games and i would expect it is a bit of a toss up between him and aor for the final defensive slot
would be worried about mf bigtime. armagh have been poor in this sector ove the last 12 months and the unforseen losses of vernan and mcgrane will need toner and ANOTHER to make a name for themselves.could be trouble if tyrone went for mcginley and cavanagh there
Quote from: longball on May 08, 2009, 04:57:02 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 08, 2009, 03:28:14 PM
Still very quiet from the Tyrone lads so far.
Wonder has Penrose played himself into the starting line up again after his 7 points last night for his club?
As a matter of interest which 6 forwards would ye Armagh lads want so see take the field?
I'd say the battle of MF and the ball into Clarke & Stevie M will be crucial.
What ever happened to Loughran?
Whenever Tyrone are playing Killyclogher Penrose will be the first man on the team sheet ::)
5 of those where from fairly handy frees other than that he didn't do a whole lot else
Nothing better to get the Championship feeling buzzing than a swipe at a few Armagh wans before the game, especially red-haired Buckfast boyos.
Quote from: eireogatron on May 08, 2009, 03:18:14 PM
Stevies free taking is NOT good on the big stage, not good at all IMO
Well I would've said the same a while back, but he seems to have sorted out a bit of consistency this year. Still hate seeing him try to hit 45s, he must have about a 5% success rate.
Quote from: Onion Bag on May 08, 2009, 03:20:24 PM
AFS, the other not so handy frees outside 35 yards, T Kernan is the man for them, 45's etc
Yep, wouldn't mind seeing Tony in there. His free taking is very impressive.
Quote from: eireogatron on May 08, 2009, 02:54:33 PM
the 2 best free takers in the county, Carville and Stevenson aren't in the panel. While I have expressed doubts over Stevenson, despite his size I would say both could have been given a chance. While Carville is of similar stature, he has shown in McKenna cup that he can stand up to intercounty players. Perhaps Stevenson could do the same given a go.
Free taking is a MAJOR problem for us this year IMO.
offers very little from play in a tight club game, never mind in the heat of the championship. was never deemed good enough to represent armagh underage and have saw nothin in the last 18 months to change my opinion. kernan maybe criticised for his lack of input from play but is at least as good a placed kicker as stevenson and has played in many a big game. saw the two on the same pitch 2night only 1 winner.
Any early odds on the game?
Quote from: Ping Pong Santa on May 09, 2009, 12:09:00 PM
Any early odds on the game?
8/15 Tyrone
15/8 Armagh
15/2 Draw
...... with Paddy Power.
you'll get 2/1 and better for armagh in bookies around the county
Boylesports are
Tyrone 1/2
Draw 15/2
Armagh 2/1
Quote from: charlie stubbs on May 08, 2009, 10:03:26 PM
Quote from: eireogatron on May 08, 2009, 02:54:33 PM
the 2 best free takers in the county, Carville and Stevenson aren't in the panel. While I have expressed doubts over Stevenson, despite his size I would say both could have been given a chance. While Carville is of similar stature, he has shown in McKenna cup that he can stand up to intercounty players. Perhaps Stevenson could do the same given a go.
Free taking is a MAJOR problem for us this year IMO.
offers very little from play in a tight club game, never mind in the heat of the championship. was never deemed good enough to represent armagh underage and have saw nothin in the last 18 months to change my opinion. kernan maybe criticised for his lack of input from play but is at least as good a placed kicker as stevenson and has played in many a big game. saw the two on the same pitch 2night only 1 winner.
fair enough. to be honest i have seen little of TK, just really against Cavan I think last year. Carville on the other hand, I've seen a few times and dont think hes missed. Even in the bog of Davitt park in last years McKenna with the gale from hell blowing!
Any more injuries or suspensions over the weekend lads for both camps?
Would be nice if we got this weather for the big game?
Its an early throw in isn't it?
Playing McKenna at half-forward would be a good move in my eyes.
Quote from: David McKeown on May 08, 2009, 01:12:29 PM
Quote from: The GAA on May 08, 2009, 01:04:40 PM
That team's not far away. I keep changing my view in the last few weeks. i'd have duffy at wing forward for McKenna i think. I don't think we have an answer to the current midfield problem. O'Neill is probably as good as we've got if you're talking about pure ball winning - he has dominated McKenna any time i've seen them up against each other, but then ball winning is likely to be at a minimum against tyrone. not sure about shannon at this stage, though i don't see an alternative - maybe paul kernan? actually, i'm worried about donaghy too - his form has been terrible in my view, as bad as brian mallon's. though again, we haven't massive options.
i have no issues with o'rourke at centre back - the mobility thing is a bit of an urban myth as i've never seen him troubled in that regard. i'll go along with forker i suppose - again because of the lack of a viable alternative. for me:
Forker
Forker has yet to impress me at senior level for either club or county. Consequently I cant see him starting against Tyrone. I would start K O Rourke but its a tough call.
Heard there's a good chance Forker will start against Tyrone. Tony Kernan should be considered as he has the ability to score frees from long range which other players would miss. Whether he contributes enough from play to warrant being carried for this reason is another issue. I'd have a preference for Kevin O'Rourke. Seems like a straihgt choice between Lavery and McKenna at midfield. Barry Shannon has probably done enough to force his way into the starting line up.
Starting Forker would be a big gamble. From what I've seen from him at underage level with Armagh in the last 2 or 3 years, he looks like he has all the raw materials to be a good intercounty footballer but he is nowhere near proven at this level. Though I suppose we probably need to take a few gambles if we're gonna make any sort of impression on this year's championship :-\
I see Peter Mcdonnell reckons Vernon could be in the shake up for the USFC semi final on 21st June (if we make it obviously). A bit optimistic I would have thought, 1st round of the quaifiers on 4th July could be realistic though.
Tyrone (SFC panel): A Cassidy, B Dooher, B McGuigan, C McCarron, C Gourley, C Holmes, C Cavanagh, C McCullagh, C Gormley, D McCaul, D Harte, D Carlin, E McGinley, G Devlin, J McAnulla, J Devine, Joseph McMahon, Justin McMahon, K Hughes, M Penrose, M Swift, M McGee, N Gormley, O Mulligan, PJ Quinn, P McConnell, P Jordan, R Mulgrew, R McMenamin, R Mellon, S Cavanagh, Sean O'Neill, Shaun O'Neill, Stephen O'Neill, T McGuigan.
J Curran left out of the panel. With Peter Donnelly also pulling out of the panel there are no Coalisland players included. Cathal McCarron included despite suspension. Dooher is again named captain for the coming year. There are 3 sets of brothers named on the panel.
Curran is in the panel- -he trained this week with them ... was a mistake with list which Irish News ran too.
http://www.tribune.ie/sport/article/2009/may/10/interview-brian-and-tommy-mcguigan/
Could they not have used a better picture of Tommy? ???
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 13, 2009, 07:14:58 PM
http://www.tribune.ie/sport/article/2009/may/10/interview-brian-and-tommy-mcguigan/
Could they not have used a better picture of Tommy? ???
Have to say I agree with Frank sr about there being no ulster championship anymore. Ideally I would like to see Armagh treat this game as a challenge match and build towards an All Ireland campaign that only begins when we get to the first knockout match
The game is now officially All Ticket - family tickets available for Pat McGrane. Prices to follow.
My team (for what its worth)
Hearty
Mallon
Donaghy
Moriarty
A Kernan
Mc Keever
Shannon
Toner
Mc Kenna
O Rourke
Mallon
S Kernan
Mc Donnell
Clarke
T Kernan
It is all very fine for Tyrone to be sniffy about the Ulster championship, but I don't see why the other 8 counties should be. It is a trophy to be won by an unbeaten team where there is decent competition.
I dont know lads
I think Tyrone will be all out to go through the front door this year and genuinely seemed disappointed last year when they lost to Down.
Does any Tyrone lads have any more thoughts on team lineup
Sounds like Dooher and O'Neill are unlikely to start now
Is everyone else fit including the two McMahons?
QuoteThe game is now officially All Ticket - family tickets available for Pat McGrane. Prices to follow.
Will there be any on ticketmaster or clubs only?
A Cassidy, B Dooher, B McGuigan, C McCarron, C Gourley, C Holmes, C Cavanagh, C McCullagh, C Gormley, D McCaul, D Harte, D Carlin, E McGinley, G Devlin, J McAnulla, J Devine, Joseph McMahon, Justin McMahon, K Hughes, M Penrose, M Swift, M McGee, N Gormley, O Mulligan, PJ Quinn, P McConnell, P Jordan, R Mulgrew, R McMenamin, R Mellon, S Cavanagh, Sean O'Neill, Shaun O'Neill, Stephen O'Neill, T McGuigan.
Tyrone V Armagh
J Devine
R Mc Menamin; J Mc Mahon; M Swift
D Harte, C Gormley, P Jordan
K Hughes and E Mc Ginley
R Mellon; B Mc Guigan; J Mc Mahon
M Penrose; S Cavanagh; T Mc Guigan.
If Justin dosent make the cut I expect Sean O Neill to debut and Conor to f/b. Wouldnt be surprised to see Mc Gee get back in in the corner. Again if O Neill and Dooher are fit things could change.
I don't think anyone knows what the armagh panel is at this stage but i'm expecting the starting 15 to be:
Hearty
Mallon Donaghy Moriary
McKeever Orourke Kernan
Toner McKenna
Mallon ORourke Duffy
MDonnell Clarke Kernan
Quote from: rrhf on May 14, 2009, 02:35:54 PM
A Cassidy, B Dooher, B McGuigan, C McCarron, C Gourley, C Holmes, C Cavanagh, C McCullagh, C Gormley, D McCaul, D Harte, D Carlin, E McGinley, G Devlin, J McAnulla, J Devine, Joseph McMahon, Justin McMahon, K Hughes, M Penrose, M Swift, M McGee, N Gormley, O Mulligan, PJ Quinn, P McConnell, P Jordan, R Mulgrew, R McMenamin, R Mellon, S Cavanagh, Sean O'Neill, Shaun O'Neill, Stephen O'Neill, T McGuigan.
Tyrone V Armagh
J Devine
R Mc Menamin; J Mc Mahon; M Swift
D Harte, C Gormley, P Jordan
K Hughes and E Mc Ginley
R Mellon; B Mc Guigan; J Mc Mahon
M Penrose; S Cavanagh; T Mc Guigan.
If Justin dosent make the cut I expect Sean O Neill to debut and Conor to f/b. Wouldnt be surprised to see Mc Gee get back in in the corner. Again if O Neill and Dooher are fit things could change.
Mugsy?
Maybe Im wrong here, was assured recently he was out in jured.
Quote from: The GAA on May 14, 2009, 02:40:59 PM
I don't think anyone knows what the armagh panel is at this stage but i'm expecting the starting 15 to be:
Hearty
Mallon Donaghy Moriary
McKeever Orourke Kernan
Toner McKenna
Mallon ORourke DuffyMDonnell Clarke Kernan
Why Duffy at wing forward? Based on one challenge game? I can't remember him playing here at county level otherwise.
Not sure if Duffy should play, as I didn't see the challenge and he was unfit when he came on previously this year. But it is as valid to try him in a wing forward role as it was to try AK there. Other than MOR it is difficult to say which half forward should be there and form might be as good a guide as any.
It does no harm to try out players in different positions and to think 'outside the box' (i hate that feckin term but can't think of an alternative right now). There have been a few calls to try him out at wing forward and i was just wondering what that's based on.
The half forward line is gonna be a headache for McDonnell, particularly against Tyrone. To have a chance of beating them our half forwards are gonna have to stop Tyrone's half backs attacking as they like to and the likes of a Dooher when he drops deep. I don't think we have the personnel at the moment to do that unfortunately - can't see the likes of Brian Mallon or Stephen Kernan stepping up to the plate on that one.
Quote from: Armamike on May 14, 2009, 07:32:02 PM
Why Duffy at wing forward? Based on one challenge game? I can't remember him playing here at county level otherwise.
App thats where he's being playing recently in training and doing well by all accounts, a repeat performance of the Dublin game would do him no harm. Who would you swap him with?
The probably absence of O'Neill and Dooher has levelled the playing field considerably. A wet day would further level it. You never know, Armagh could well spawn this one with a flukey goal or two. ;)
Sure we will turn up and see how it goes, cant wait to see the current All Ireland champions in action,
but to be honest UTB, cant see anything but a dam good hammering from the champs, but sure it will be a day out,
I'm actually glad now this game isn't in Omagh after all as I never like the feeling of playing championship games there.
There always seems to be pressure on the team to perform and they often struggle on their first outing of the year.
I see McGinley has hurt his finger but Harte doesn't think he'll be a doubt.
Does anyone think we'll see any of Mulgrew this year? Could he fill the No 10 jersey if Dooher doesn't make it?
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 15, 2009, 11:59:11 AM
I'm actually glad now this game isn't in Omagh after all as I never like the feeling of playing championship games there.
There always seems to be pressure on the team to perform and they often struggle on their first outing of the year.
I see McGinley has hurt his finger but Harte doesn't think he'll be a doubt.
Does anyone think we'll see any of Mulgrew this year? Could he fill the No 10 jersey if Dooher doesn't make it?
Not a chance Enda will miss it for that. As soon as the doctor put it back in place in Pomeroy last week, he fielded the next kick out & set up another Errigal attack!
He could be the main man come May 31st, against an inexperienced midfield!!!
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 15, 2009, 11:59:11 AM
I'm actually glad now this game isn't in Omagh after all as I never like the feeling of playing championship games there.
There always seems to be pressure on the team to perform and they often struggle on their first outing of the year.
I see McGinley has hurt his finger but Harte doesn't think he'll be a doubt.
Does anyone think we'll see any of Mulgrew this year? Could he fill the No 10 jersey if Dooher doesn't make it?
I have my doubts, im a fan of Mulgrew but think he may lack the work rate and maybe agression needed. Ive seen him play for Cookstown a couple of times this year and he hasnt impressed me. Mulgrew is proberly one of the most skillful players in the County but has never really performed or made it hard for Harte to leave him out.
Mulgrew would have about as effective an impact against Armagh as Mark Harte did. Way too light.
Mulgrew is a very skillful player but just not strong enough at the minute for inter county football. After reading the article about Brian and Tommy McGuigan, Tommy was talking about the time he was dropped from the panel after the McKenna Cup and Mickey Harte told him to go back to his club, work on his strength and if he did, he would be on the panel the next year. Tommy did do this and has reaped the rewards for all his hard work. I think Mulgrew maybe would need the same. Take a break, build up his strength on his own and come back onto the panel a stronger player pushing for a place on the team as was one of the stars of the 2004 AI winning minor team.
You boys are very fickle. For me, Mulgrew is the heir apparent to Brian McGuigan - he was an All Star nominee at Centre Half Forward in 2007 while still an U21. I don't think he got a minutes football last year at CHF, rather the majority of his football was played at WHF or in the Corner. Let's be perfectly fair, McGuigan never counted on the Wing or at CF either when he played there under Art and Eugene - he is an out and out Centre man and Mulgrew is in the same mould. Give the lad time, he's still only 23.
I think you can only go on what he has offered in general play at inter-county level and despite glimpses of talent, he hasn't really shown much. McGuigan was always wicked enough to count that this level no matter where he played. But I agree time is on his side.
I see Stephen O Neill took a full part in training this week according to rte website, prob be took late to make 1st 15 on the 31st but good news all the same!
Quote from: ONeill on May 15, 2009, 07:35:18 PM
I think you can only go on what he has offered in general play at inter-county level and despite glimpses of talent, he hasn't really shown much. McGuigan was always wicked enough to count that this level no matter where he played. But I agree time is on his side.
I think O'Neill has touched here why McGuigan excelled and why Mulgrew has not as yet. Brian has that special ability to win balls he should never have had a hope in hell of getting. I dont see that drive in Mulgrews game yet but hopefully it comes through,
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 16, 2009, 06:22:37 PM
I see Stephen O Neill took a full part in training this week according to rte website, prob be took late to make 1st 15 on the 31st but good news all the same!
I know, I know...bit sad quoting myself but heard earlier that SO'N will be starting for the clanns tomorrow
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 16, 2009, 11:04:59 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 16, 2009, 06:22:37 PM
I see Stephen O Neill took a full part in training this week according to rte website, prob be took late to make 1st 15 on the 31st but good news all the same!
I know, I know...bit sad quoting myself but heard earlier that SO'N will be starting for the clanns tomorrow
Apparently scored 2-2 but had to be taken off with ........... a sore knee !!!!!!!!!! >:( >:( :( :( :( :( :(
Yeah I heard he scored 2.02 but was wihdrawn as his knee was giving him bother.
I've a feeling its gonna be like this all season with him playing bits & pieces of games depending on how it reacts to each game he plays.
Dooher played well but I'd be very surprised if Stevie or Brian play on Sunday week.
Pat McEneaney is the Referee for the game
Quote from: Joxer on May 18, 2009, 10:19:50 AM
Pat McEneaney is the Referee for the game
Good to hear.
Tyrone have concerns over several players.
Allstar wing-back Davy Harte went off with an ankle problem late on in Errigal Ciaran's away win over Loughmacrory, while star forward Stephen O'Neill's attempt to improve his match fitness appeared to backfire.
O'Neill scored two goals for Clann na nGael against Killyman, one from the penalty spot, but pulled up and was taken off seemingly due to his troublesome knee flaring up again.
Ryan Mellon, who can feature at midfield or in attack, failed to line out at all for his club Moy against Galbally, having hurt ankle ligaments recently.
His club and county colleague Colm Cavanagh was sent off, but the suspension will relate only to club action.
If i were a Tyrone supporter i'd be worried about Stephen O'Neill longer term with Tyrone if that is the same problem he's had a couple of years now? If so, it doesn't look good for him.
Quote from: Armamike on May 18, 2009, 01:03:17 PM
If i were a Tyrone supporter i'd be worried about Stephen O'Neill longer term with Tyrone if that is the same problem he's had a couple of years now? If so, it doesn't look good for him.
I've the same problem myself. Cannot get rid of it... for 3 years now! I've had an operation, injections, about 40 phsyio sessions! Still no use!
If he, or Owen Hargreaves, does actually beat it, I'll be on the phone to them!
I'd say Stevie is very disappointed after sitting out all (most) of last season & making the comeback at the start of this year to now find he's back were he was 2 years ago. He probably thinks he has a point to prove to a lot of fans & neutrals this year so in my book he's is own worst enemy for not resting it but who am I to say.
He's always been mad keen to play even when not totally fit so I'd expect him to be a bit part player this year and not rest it properly again.
Not the same injury,he had a fracture in his kneecap.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 18, 2009, 05:24:05 PM
I'd say Stevie is very disappointed after sitting out all (most) of last season & making the comeback at the start of this year to now find he's back were he was 2 years ago. He probably thinks he has a point to prove to a lot of fans & neutrals this year so in my book he's is own worst enemy for not resting it but who am I to say.
He's always been mad keen to play even when not totally fit so I'd expect him to be a bit part player this year and not rest it properly again.
It'd be a shame if he was driving himself to prove a point ... he has absolutely nothing to prove to Tyrone people
Well we all know what a fit SON is capable off, i rate him the best forward in Ireland (if fit) at the minute. With the match less than 2 weeks away and SON struggling along with Dooher not match fit Armagh have a bigger chance against Tyrone than most people think. I actually fancy the match for a draw and Tyrone to win the replay by 2pts...Remember you heard it hear first, but i wouldn't be surprised at all if Armagh sneaked a 1 point win. We all know how Armagh can play when writen off as underdogs...
Quote from: illdecide on May 18, 2009, 11:39:52 PM
Well we all know what a fit SON is capable off, i rate him the best forward in Ireland (if fit) at the minute. With the match less than 2 weeks away and SON struggling along with Dooher not match fit Armagh have a bigger chance against Tyrone than most people think. I actually fancy the match for a draw and Tyrone to win the replay by 2pts...Remember you heard it hear first, but i wouldn't be surprised at all if Armagh sneaked a 1 point win. We all know how Armagh can play when writen off as underdogs...
written off being the understatement in this case. Cant see it but I'd be absolutly delighted to be proved wrong.
In the words of Kevin Keegan "I would love it if we beat them, love it"
Quote from: illdecide on May 18, 2009, 11:39:52 PM
Well we all know what a fit SON is capable off, i rate him the best forward in Ireland (if fit) at the minute. With the match less than 2 weeks away and SON struggling along with Dooher not match fit Armagh have a bigger chance against Tyrone than most people think. I actually fancy the match for a draw and Tyrone to win the replay by 2pts...Remember you heard it hear first, but i wouldn't be surprised at all if Armagh sneaked a 1 point win. We all know how Armagh can play when writen off as underdogs...
Am I right in thinking this game would need to be level after two sets of extra time in order to go to a replay?
Quote from: illdecide on May 18, 2009, 11:39:52 PM
Well we all know what a fit SON is capable off, i rate him the best forward in Ireland (if fit) at the minute. With the match less than 2 weeks away and SON struggling along with Dooher not match fit Armagh have a bigger chance against Tyrone than most people think. I actually fancy the match for a draw and Tyrone to win the replay by 2pts...Remember you heard it hear first, but i wouldn't be surprised at all if Armagh sneaked a 1 point win. We all know how Armagh can play when writen off as underdogs...
So you've called a win for both sides and a draw.
You've heard it
here hear first.
Quote from: hardstation on May 19, 2009, 12:14:35 AM
What is "two sets of extra time"?
In the event of a draw, two 10 minute periods of extra time, if level after that, two further 5 minute periods of extra time. A replay if still level after those.
Yeah Fear's description is what I meant although I thought the second set was 10 minutes as well
Jasus lads i forgot about that extra time...Sorry. In that case it'll be a draw in both normal time and extra time then illdecide who wins it...lol
Quote from: illdecide on May 19, 2009, 09:49:09 AM
Jasus lads i forgot about that extra time...Sorry. In that case it'll be a draw in both normal time and extra time then illdecide who wins it...lol
You being somewhat indecisive there illdecide? ;)
If Davey doesn't make it who will play left half back?
Anyone got any other team news like how's Justin and do you think he's wasted at Full back or is he our long term solution to this position?
If there is no Davy Harte that will leave space for Sean O Neil to make his championship debut and Davy might have a struggle to get the shirt back.
Quote from: uselessfootballer on May 19, 2009, 11:07:20 AM
If there is no Davy Harte that will leave space for Sean O Neil to make his championship debut and Davy might have a struggle to get the shirt back.
A fit Davey Harte would be one of the first names on the team sheet. He has been one of the most consistant players Tyrone has had in the last 3 seasons. As well as being an excellent defender he always pops up with a point or two. He will get the shirt any time he wants it. ;)
My comment was no reflection on Davy Harte who I agree has been one of the most consistent performers over the last few seasons.
I simply think that when Sean O Neill gets the chance to establish himself (and Davy's injury miy give him that chance) he may then prove hard to leave out.
I must say I'm glad to say I was wrong about Davey in the past & he proved last year how good a half back he is.
I used to say he was too slow and often went backwards but his goal against the Dubs last year shows how he has came on as he had to still beat two men and then the keeper.
Will be interesting to see how Collie McCullagh does this year as a lot of teams will be wise to him this year and will probably mark him a lot closer as he usually roams around the field. I don't think he plays as well when marked by a robust defender but he is deadly accurate as he showed in that Dublin NFL game this year as he competed with Stevie for the score of the game.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 19, 2009, 11:04:56 AM
If Davey doesn't make it who will play left half back?
Anyone got any other team news like how's Justin and do you think he's wasted at Full back or is he our long term solution to this position?
Philip Jordan! He has been left half back for years!! ;)
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 19, 2009, 11:04:56 AM
If Davey doesn't make it who will play left half back?
Anyone got any other team news like how's Justin and do you think he's wasted at Full back or is he our long term solution to this position?
Could free Ricey to the wing...
It seems both teams will be without key players and will not be at full strength, considering Tyrone have not relied to much on their midfield over the last few years and Armagh struggling in midfield too then this game could be evenly balanced (which is why i went for a draw earlier), i think the bookies have got the betting slightly wrong
Any word of Armagh v Leitrim from saturday? starting team there should probably be close to the tyrone one?
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on May 19, 2009, 11:52:51 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 19, 2009, 11:04:56 AM
If Davey doesn't make it who will play left half back?
Anyone got any other team news like how's Justin and do you think he's wasted at Full back or is he our long term solution to this position?
Could free Ricey to the wing...
Possibly Sean ONeill but i think Harte will be fit...
From that irreproachable e-organ of truth, the Hoganstand:
Harte allays O'Neill fears
Mickey Harte still believes Stephen O'Neill can play a part in Tyrone's Ulster SFC opener against Armagh on Sunday week, despite the star forward's failure to finish a club game at the weekend.
The former Footballer of the Year scored 2-2 for Clann na nGael in his first club appearance of the season against Killyman, but Harte pointed out that he was taken off as a precaution, and that he had not aggravated his long-standing knee injury.
"Stevie came off five or 10 minutes from the end, but it was a precaution more than anything else," the Tyrone manager said. "I haven't spoken to him yet, but I don't believe it was anything too sinister. I'm hoping that anyway."
Tyrone captain Brian Dooher also played in the Division 2 league game, but Harte refused to say if he would be fit enough to face the Orchard County."It is hard to know with Brian, he'd play when another man wouldn't play, and sometimes you don't know what the impact is.
"I like to give him some time because it can be 24 hours before you know what the effect is."
Bang and the Ulster championship is on for Tyrone and Armagh. What a couple they made, how they danced and filled Croke Park during halycon days in 2002,3 and 2005 but is the duos romantic antics over? Does the Armagh squad now pay mere lipservice to an era when orangemen lived among the proudest 3 teams of the decade? Now a once tight panel is bursting through the seams, Bellew, Mc Grane have old sagged away, and the repair work just simply isnt the same or is hiding a few old cracks. The orange one certainly looks like she needs a bit more than Peter O Donnells finest makeover. 70 minutes later and bang its over and if on Sunday week, its over for Armagh by points and performance, then the dancins surely over for one half of that glorious Ulster couple. Its not sexy young Tyronemens fault - the auld orange faced bitch just got too damned ugly.
Quote from: rrhf on May 19, 2009, 07:25:40 PM
Bang and the Ulster championship is on for Tyrone and Armagh. What a couple they made, how they danced and filled Croke Park during halycon days in 2002,3 and 2005 but is the duos romantic antics over? Does the Armagh squad now pay mere lipservice to an era when orangemen lived among the proudest 3 teams of the decade? Now a once tight panel is bursting through the seams, Bellew, Mc Grane have old sagged away, and the repair work just simply isnt the same or is hiding a few old cracks. The orange one certainly looks like she needs a bit more than Peter O Donnells finest makeover. 70 minutes later and bang its over and if on Sunday week, its over for Armagh by points and performance, then the dancins surely over for one half of that glorious Ulster couple. Its not sexy young Tyronemens fault - the auld orange faced bitch just got too damned ugly.
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Quote from: rrhf on May 19, 2009, 07:25:40 PM
Bang and the Ulster championship is on for Tyrone and Armagh. What a couple they made, how they danced and filled Croke Park during halycon days in 2002,3 and 2005 but is the duos romantic antics over? Does the Armagh squad now pay mere lipservice to an era when orangemen lived among the proudest 3 teams of the decade? Now a once tight panel is bursting through the seams, Bellew, Mc Grane have old sagged away, and the repair work just simply isnt the same or is hiding a few old cracks. The orange one certainly looks like she needs a bit more than Peter O Donnells finest makeover. 70 minutes later and bang its over and if on Sunday week, its over for Armagh by points and performance, then the dancins surely over for one half of that glorious Ulster couple. Its not sexy young Tyronemens fault - the auld orange faced bitch just got too damned ugly.
2 things...
1) Who's shooting?
2) Are u on drugs? :o ??? :o
Good one rrhf
enjoyed the wit . But we must rmember Tyrone are hitting that wall to . I know not as soon as Armagh have but Brian Mc Guigan enda Mc Ginley Ryan Mc Menaim Kevein Hughes Philip Jordan ryan Mellon Brian Dooher Stephen O neill will all be well over 30 by Christmas and some already well over it. The two Mc Entees quit when they were twenty eight at that rate of going sean Kavanagh and Joe Mc Mahon wont be far of that either. The tyrone team that could field against armagh on Sunday week could contain no less than 12 of the 2003 team The only three that I can think that are not on the current panel are Cormac Mc Anallen(God Rest him) Peter Canavan Gerard Cavlan. Some of them lads have played a serious amount of footbal. Like the Mc Entees it takes it's toll. The sexy young Tyrone men might not seem all that sexy. Anyway good luck to both teams . For us its definetly a new era For Tyrone .well..... Are we human or are we dancer
Mark Harte
Quote from: hardstation on May 19, 2009, 09:51:09 PM
I think he was on about starters.
Feck that thought i had him ;)
Lawn?
Quote from: rrhf on May 19, 2009, 07:25:40 PM
Bang and the Ulster championship is on for Tyrone and Armagh. What a couple they made, how they danced and filled Croke Park during halycon days in 2002,3 and 2005 but is the duos romantic antics over? Does the Armagh squad now pay mere lipservice to an era when orangemen lived among the proudest 3 teams of the decade? Now a once tight panel is bursting through the seams, Bellew, Mc Grane have old sagged away, and the repair work just simply isnt the same or is hiding a few old cracks. The orange one certainly looks like she needs a bit more than Peter O Donnells finest makeover. 70 minutes later and bang its over and if on Sunday week, its over for Armagh by points and performance, then the dancins surely over for one half of that glorious Ulster couple. Its not sexy young Tyronemens fault - the auld orange faced bitch just got too damned ugly.
Tyrone aren't as young as they used to be.
Quote from: rionach 4 on May 19, 2009, 09:02:51 PM
But we must rmember Tyrone are hitting that wall to . I know not as soon as Armagh have but Brian Mc Guigan enda Mc Ginley Ryan Mc Menaim Kevein Hughes Philip Jordan ryan Mellon Brian Dooher Stephen O neill will all be well over 30 by Christmas and some already well over it.
Holy feck. I still thought those boys were 22. The minor team of 97/98 is a long time ago now. We should acknowledge them before it's too late.
When are the tickets onsale?
Just been told tonight I'm doing Godfather on the 31st May. Would you believe it.
Quote from: ONeill on May 19, 2009, 10:12:04 PM
Just been told tonight I'm doing Godfather on the 31st May. Would you believe it.
You could organise a font to be delivered to Paragon garden
Quote from: hardstation on May 19, 2009, 10:18:37 PM
Quote from: ONeill on May 19, 2009, 10:12:04 PM
Just been told tonight I'm doing Godfather on the 31st May. Would you believe it.
No. Who the feck would let you be the godfather of their child?
Ahem, no.5.
Yes sorry forgot about Horse devlin the same way as Micky forgot about him since. Mark Harte was a sub so incidentally was stephen o.neil . he came on as did Chris lawn. Still Tyrone could field a full team from that panel of 2003. Armagh have two in the current starting team and two in the panel from 2002.
Joking aside, the build-up has been tailor-made for Armagh. They're in the long grass with nothing expected of them. You don't go from Ulster Champions to no-hopers in 10 months even with a couple of retirements and injuries.
QuoteYou don't go from Ulster Champions to no-hopers in 10 months even with a couple of retirements and injuries.
Well Tyrone went from AI champions in 2005 to no hopers in 10 months with a few retirements and injuries. Surely Armagh are not better than Tyrone?
Quote from: ONeill on May 20, 2009, 12:39:27 AM
Joking aside, the build-up has been tailor-made for Armagh. They're in the long grass with nothing expected of them. You don't go from Ulster Champions to no-hopers in 10 months even with a couple of retirements and injuries.
Oh yes we do. I wont mind getting beat by 15 points - just as long as someone gets sent aff for slapping Jordan and McMeniman
Quote from: Orior on May 20, 2009, 08:44:40 AM
Quote from: ONeill on May 20, 2009, 12:39:27 AM
Joking aside, the build-up has been tailor-made for Armagh. They're in the long grass with nothing expected of them. You don't go from Ulster Champions to no-hopers in 10 months even with a couple of retirements and injuries.
Oh yes we do. I wont mind getting beat by 15 points - just as long as someone gets sent aff for slapping Jordan and McMeniman
And Gormley as well!!
In that case will we send on Mugsy and Peter as well so ye can at least get some enjoyment from the game.
Who would be the top 3 Tyrone players ye hate now
Jordan, Ricey & Mugsy I'd guess.
Ricey and Jordan,
Reasons:
I think everyone in the country bar Tyrone Folk dont like Ricey
Jordan, well because of his antics in the 03 final, im not going to get into it, yous know what im talking about, (btw this is not sour grapes)
tisckets for sale now online for this game
Sickness epidemic in the armagh camp reported in the paper today.
food poisoning from a training weekend....
Quote from: The GAA on May 20, 2009, 12:00:01 PM
Sickness epidemic in the armagh camp reported in the paper today.
food poisoning from a training weekend....
I knew they shouldn't have went to Omagh for a training week end! ::)
Quote from: The GAA on May 20, 2009, 12:00:01 PM
Sickness epidemic in the armagh camp reported in the paper today.
food poisoning from a training weekend....
Our espionage network is fully functioning then.
I suppose McKeever is the only one us Tyrone ones love to hate now that Oisin & Francie have gone
There seems to be a competition to see who can have the more excuses for this game.
Would be nice to see Hub & McGinley form a new partnership for the season.
Was surprised to see Harte so optimistic about Stevie when he said he hadn't been in contact with him.
Quote from: naka on May 20, 2009, 11:47:46 AM
tisckets for sale now online for this game
anyone know the name of the seating area below the hill? or behind the goals to the right if u are on the hill? cant remember which is which
Seating below the hill is the Pat Mc Grane stand
That area behind the goals to the right of the Hill, is the family area, cant remember the name of it,
Quote from: Onion Bag on May 20, 2009, 02:22:57 PM
That area behind the goals to the right of the Hill, is the family area, cant remember the name of it,
Eastern Stand?
Seating area behind goals is Eastern Embankment I think.
Quote from: The GAA on May 20, 2009, 12:00:01 PM
Sickness epidemic in the armagh camp reported in the paper today.
food poisoning from a training weekend....
dodgy lasagne!
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 20, 2009, 10:08:42 AM
In that case will we send on Mugsy and Peter as well so ye can at least get some enjoyment from the game.
Who would be the top 3 Tyrone players ye hate now
Jordan, Ricey & Mugsy I'd guess.
In no particular order, 3 hateful .....
WHo's definitely out for Armagh beyond Vernon? I can't remember re Clarke...
Clarkie had been carrying a knock - maybe some of the Ogs men can confirm whether he will be available or not
Quote from: ONeill on May 20, 2009, 09:18:14 PM
WHo's definitely out for Armagh beyond Vernon? I can't remember re Clarke...
ONeill any chance of changing that picture of yours? I'm get an urge to take a pish every time I open a thread these days.
In the Mirror this morning:
Cassidy to miss opener
Tyrone newcomer Aidan Cassidy is almost cerainly ruled out of the Ulster Championship clash with Armagh after picking up an ankle injury in a club match on Sunday.
The Augher ace arrived for county training on Tuesday on crutches having limped off during the second-hald of the drawn league game against Killeeshil.
"He has a bad ankle injury" confirmed Mickey Hate, "it's very swollen and it's not looking good for him." Cassidy made a big impression earlier in the year and it looked like himself, Sean O'Neill and Martin Swift would be pushing for starting Championship places.
"All he needs to do is look at Brian Dooher and see what he puts up with"
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Quote from: longball on May 21, 2009, 09:07:11 AM
In the Mirror this morning:
Cassidy to miss opener
Tyrone newcomer Aidan Cassidy is almost cerainly ruled out of the Ulster Championship clash with Armagh after picking up an ankle injury in a club match on Sunday.
The Augher ace arrived for county training on Tuesday on crutches having limped off during the second-hald of the drawn league game against Killeeshil.
"He has a bad ankle injury" confirmed Mickey Hate, "it's very swollen and it's not looking good for him." Cassidy made a big impression earlier in the year and it looked like himself, Sean O'Neill and Martin Swift would be pushing for starting Championship places.
"All he needs to do is look at Brian Dooher and see what he puts up with"
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And that's just looking in the mirror...lol :D :D :D
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 20, 2009, 02:17:29 PM
Quote from: naka on May 20, 2009, 11:47:46 AM
tisckets for sale now online for this game
anyone know the name of the seating area below the hill? or behind the goals to the right if u are on the hill? cant remember which is which
think its the pat mcgrane stand? the covered stand is the gerry arthurs & the other seated behind the goals is the roslea end, or might be called east stand or something like that
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on May 21, 2009, 09:30:48 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 20, 2009, 02:17:29 PM
Quote from: naka on May 20, 2009, 11:47:46 AM
tisckets for sale now online for this game
anyone know the name of the seating area below the hill? or behind the goals to the right if u are on the hill? cant remember which is which
think its the pat mcgrane stand? the covered stand is the gerry arthurs & the other seated behind the goals is the roslea end, or might be called east stand or something like that
Seating behind goals is Eastern enbankment, rest is correct
Unlucky for Cassidy. Great potential there. I was hoping he'd be a starter, or failing that, first sub on when the inevitable mauling at midfield happens. Don't want to be hearing about any other injuries in the next week or so.
Quote from: Mr. Nakata on May 21, 2009, 10:13:10 AM
Unlucky for Cassidy. Great potential there. I was hoping he'd be a starter, or failing that, first sub on when the inevitable mauling at midfield happens. Don't want to be hearing about any other injuries in the next week or so.
Shaun O'Neill has a fractured skull :D
Edit: Sorry, I shouldn't laugh. Not serious but enough to rule him out for the foreseeable I say.
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on May 20, 2009, 10:28:50 PM
Clarkie had been carrying a knock - maybe some of the Ogs men can confirm whether he will be available or not
clarke was carrying a knock since a league game against dromintee 3 or 4 weeks ago. he came on as a sub against sarsfield last wednesday night but didn't look fully fit. he didn't seem to be running very well. he still scored 5 or 6 points.
Where are the tickets for sale online?
There is nothing on gaa.ie or ticketmaster.ie
Now Feckitt, I don't think you looked too hard on www.ticketmaster.ie
http://www.ticketmaster.ie/event/180042B2CA404B45?artistid=944137&majorcatid=10004&minorcatid=229
Quote from: Rois on May 21, 2009, 02:20:55 PM
Now Feckitt, I don't think you looked too hard on www.ticketmaster.ie
http://www.ticketmaster.ie/event/180042B2CA404B45?artistid=944137&majorcatid=10004&minorcatid=229
Them 3 euro service charges for each ticket must fairly add on. Surely the GAA could sell the tickets ont heir own website or are the logistics very difficult to manage, time and money wise?
Doesn't seem to be too much of a panic for tickets lads. will it be far short of capacity?
Quote from: Aghdavoyle on May 21, 2009, 04:02:15 PM
Doesn't seem to be too much of a panic for tickets lads. will it be far short of capacity?
I tohught about 31, 32k, probably be closer to 26 or 27 realistically.
Assuming its not full will there be options to get tickets on the day?
What sort of training would the lads be doing the week or so before a match like this?
What will Tyrones Minor team be like this year? cant say i know a whole lot of the players thats on it.
Tyrone Seniors are due to go away on a training weekend this weekend,
when is this weekend?
Its this weekend
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Tyrone Seniors are due to go away on a training weekend this weekend,
when is this weekend?
Its just weekend
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if its this wekend i hope they get the shits like armagh did ::)
Tickets on sale - Pat Mc Grane available.
http://www.ticketmaster.ie/Tyrone-tickets/artist/944137
Ticket all sorted, for the hill. ;D
So, worst case scenario: No O'Neill (x2), Dooher, Harte, Mellon, Cassidy, McGinley.
Who'll get the no.10 berth?
Are we looking at:
Tommy - Snout - Penfold
Colm McCull - Sean - Mugsy
Quote from: ONeill on May 22, 2009, 12:04:07 AM
So, worst case scenario: No O'Neill (x2), Dooher, Harte, Mellon, Cassidy, McGinley.
Huh? What's the story with Enda?
Ach, just threw that in.
Where does the Snout name come from?
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 22, 2009, 10:17:09 AM
Where does the Snout name come from?
Ardboe - It's wee Brian
And who is Penfold?
Edit - Are you trying to be like thebandit on the Derry Monaghan thread?
penfold is marty penrose, I see u got a wee touch over in Monaghan v L'derry thread o neill, u must have a fan in SS2! By the way mickey believes Davy should def be available for Armagh game according to yesterdays ulster herald!
The Armagh footballers returned to training last night, despite another player being struck down by a virus that has swept the panel over the past week.
A training session and press night had to be cancelled on Tuesday after 12 players were quarantined to prevent the stomach bug from spreading.
While manager Peter McDonnell expects the bulk of his players to have recovered in time for Sunday week's big Ulster SFC opener against Tyrone, he admitted that it could take some longer than others to get back to full health.
"I would hope that is not the case, but it manifests itself in different ways in different people," he said.
"It is not ideal to be scuppered in our preparation in the last week of the hard graft so we have missed out on that."
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=111873
In all honesty, it's a real basterd of a bug. My family were all down with it recently. It lasts a full seven days and completely wipes you out. I even had to boil the kettle for tea during the worst of it.
But what's the SNOUT mean?
His nose or something?
Armagh and Tyrone bosses share selection headache from Belfast Tele
Armagh manager Peter McDonnell and his Tyrone counterpart Mickey Harte today find themselves wrestling with rather contrasting problems in advance of their Ulster Championship encounter on Sunday week.
While McDonnell awaits confirmation that several players whohave been suffering from a 'flu bug since the weekend are recovering, Harte is coming to terms with the fact that Aidan Cassidy may miss the game after picking up an injury while assisting his club Augher on Sunday.
"He has a bad ankle knock. He's on crutches and it's not looking good for him", Harte was left to reflect. Cassidy made an immediate impact when drafted into the All Ireland champions' squad for the new season and after featuring in all three McKenna cup games he played in high-profile league encounters against Dublin, Kerry, Galway and Derry.
It's not all doom and gloom for the O'Neill county, though, as manager Harte revealed that Ryan Mellon, Colm McCullagh and Davy Harte should all be available for the date with the Orchard men.
"They are making progress and that's encouraging," points out Harte.
Meanwhile, Armagh boss McDonnell is weighing up his midfield options now that the injured Charlie Vernon is out of the frame.
James Lavery, Kieran Toner, David McKenna and Brendan Donaghy are in the frame for the two central positions although Donaghy could still find himself slotting into the more familiar full-back role.
McDonnell, though, could employ Finian Moriarty in the No 3 shirt and bring Paul Kernan into the left corner.
"The important thing is that we have players who want to play for Armagh," McDonnell insisted.
"There is a marvellous spirit within the side, everyone wants to play for each other and I find that very encouraging."
McDonnell will conduct an overall health check at training tonight.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 22, 2009, 11:12:21 AM
But what's the SNOUT mean?
His nose or something?
You are on fire today Fuzz!
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 22, 2009, 11:12:21 AM
But what's the SNOUT mean?
His nose or something?
Armagh and Tyrone bosses share selection headache from Belfast Tele
Armagh manager Peter McDonnell and his Tyrone counterpart Mickey Harte today find themselves wrestling with rather contrasting problems in advance of their Ulster Championship encounter on Sunday week.
While McDonnell awaits confirmation that several players whohave been suffering from a 'flu bug since the weekend are recovering, Harte is coming to terms with the fact that Aidan Cassidy may miss the game after picking up an injury while assisting his club Augher on Sunday.
"He has a bad ankle knock. He's on crutches and it's not looking good for him", Harte was left to reflect. Cassidy made an immediate impact when drafted into the All Ireland champions' squad for the new season and after featuring in all three McKenna cup games he played in high-profile league encounters against Dublin, Kerry, Galway and Derry.
It's not all doom and gloom for the O'Neill county, though, as manager Harte revealed that Ryan Mellon, Colm McCullagh and Davy Harte should all be available for the date with the Orchard men.
"They are making progress and that's encouraging," points out Harte.
Meanwhile, Armagh boss McDonnell is weighing up his midfield options now that the injured Charlie Vernon is out of the frame.
James Lavery, Kieran Toner, David McKenna and Brendan Donaghy are in the frame for the two central positions although Donaghy could still find himself slotting into the more familiar full-back role.
McDonnell, though, could employ Finian Moriarty in the No 3 shirt and bring Paul Kernan into the left corner.
"The important thing is that we have players who want to play for Armagh," McDonnell insisted.
"There is a marvellous spirit within the side, everyone wants to play for each other and I find that very encouraging."
McDonnell will conduct an overall health check at training tonight.
Jesus h christ
Quote from: The GAA on May 22, 2009, 01:07:32 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 22, 2009, 11:12:21 AM
But what's the SNOUT mean?
His nose or something?
Armagh and Tyrone bosses share selection headache from Belfast Tele
Armagh manager Peter McDonnell and his Tyrone counterpart Mickey Harte today find themselves wrestling with rather contrasting problems in advance of their Ulster Championship encounter on Sunday week.
While McDonnell awaits confirmation that several players whohave been suffering from a 'flu bug since the weekend are recovering, Harte is coming to terms with the fact that Aidan Cassidy may miss the game after picking up an injury while assisting his club Augher on Sunday.
"He has a bad ankle knock. He's on crutches and it's not looking good for him", Harte was left to reflect. Cassidy made an immediate impact when drafted into the All Ireland champions' squad for the new season and after featuring in all three McKenna cup games he played in high-profile league encounters against Dublin, Kerry, Galway and Derry.
It's not all doom and gloom for the O'Neill county, though, as manager Harte revealed that Ryan Mellon, Colm McCullagh and Davy Harte should all be available for the date with the Orchard men.
"They are making progress and that's encouraging," points out Harte.
Meanwhile, Armagh boss McDonnell is weighing up his midfield options now that the injured Charlie Vernon is out of the frame.
James Lavery, Kieran Toner, David McKenna and Brendan Donaghy are in the frame for the two central positions although Donaghy could still find himself slotting into the more familiar full-back role.
McDonnell, though, could employ Finian Moriarty in the No 3 shirt and bring Paul Kernan into the left corner.
"The important thing is that we have players who want to play for Armagh," McDonnell insisted.
"There is a marvellous spirit within the side, everyone wants to play for each other and I find that very encouraging."
McDonnell will conduct an overall health check at training tonight.
Jesus h christ
That would mean Finian could be marking Sean Cavangh??
wouldn`t be surprised to see enda mc nulty starting with donaghy and mallon in the full back lin
i would be amazed to see Enda getting game time, I mean come on!
Also, Finnian won an AI U-21 at no.3 so I've no problem with that.
Cavanagh may not be no.14, or if he is may not operate there.
Quote from: eireogatron on May 22, 2009, 02:53:52 PM
i would be amazed to see Enda getting game time, I mean come on!
Also, Finnian won an AI U-21 at no.3 so I've no problem with that.
Cavanagh may not be no.14, or if he is may not operate there.
Not to get into merits or demerits but that mean' little in senior championship. Enda has a senior all ireland there too.
Donaghy there hopefully.
Also, poor old Marty is getting a rough time of it. Hoganstand has an article listing him as a former Armagh player and I see GL has him down as leaving the panel in recent weeks.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on October 08, 2008, 08:42:36 PM
Armagh by 10.
I haven't been about much of late so I thought I'd browse back through the thread. I got to the 4th post and thought I'd jump to the end as there didn't seem to be much point. Cheers pints you saved me the trouble ;)
Good to see the committee at the club running a chat night with a decent lineup... Brolly v McGuigan should be an interesting tussle...
Cookstown Chats Championship
Fr Rock's have launched an exciting new fund raiser to help rebuild the clubrooms following the recent attack. On May 27th the Greenvale Hotel will play host to a pre-championship chat night. Hosted by Paddy Hunter of Q101fm a star studded panel will preview the Ulster championship clash between Armagh and Tyrone a few days later. Guests include Tyrone legend Frank McGuigan, Armagh pundit Jarlath Burns, Derry legend Joe Brolly and leading pundit Paddy Heaney. It promises to be quite a night. Tickets are on sale now from any committee member or player. Please note that the evening will begin at 9:30pm
The match has't even started yet and it is good to see Armagh getting their excuses in for getting beat. A stomach bug with half the team down come on. Tut Tut
Quote from: corn02 on May 22, 2009, 03:07:48 PM
Quote from: eireogatron on May 22, 2009, 02:53:52 PM
i would be amazed to see Enda getting game time, I mean come on!
Also, Finnian won an AI U-21 at no.3 so I've no problem with that.
Cavanagh may not be no.14, or if he is may not operate there.
Not to get into merits or demerits but that mean' little in senior championship. Enda has a senior all ireland there too.
Donaghy there hopefully.
Also, poor old Marty is getting a rough time of it. Hoganstand has an article listing him as a former Armagh player and I see GL has him down as leaving the panel in recent weeks.
all i'm saying is he has been successful in this position before. Also, Enda played in the corner with Justin operating in the centre spot 02.
Quote from: full back on May 22, 2009, 01:17:34 PM
Quote from: The GAA on May 22, 2009, 01:07:32 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 22, 2009, 11:12:21 AM
But what's the SNOUT mean?
His nose or something?
Armagh and Tyrone bosses share selection headache from Belfast Tele
Armagh manager Peter McDonnell and his Tyrone counterpart Mickey Harte today find themselves wrestling with rather contrasting problems in advance of their Ulster Championship encounter on Sunday week.
While McDonnell awaits confirmation that several players whohave been suffering from a 'flu bug since the weekend are recovering, Harte is coming to terms with the fact that Aidan Cassidy may miss the game after picking up an injury while assisting his club Augher on Sunday.
"He has a bad ankle knock. He's on crutches and it's not looking good for him", Harte was left to reflect. Cassidy made an immediate impact when drafted into the All Ireland champions' squad for the new season and after featuring in all three McKenna cup games he played in high-profile league encounters against Dublin, Kerry, Galway and Derry.
It's not all doom and gloom for the O'Neill county, though, as manager Harte revealed that Ryan Mellon, Colm McCullagh and Davy Harte should all be available for the date with the Orchard men.
"They are making progress and that's encouraging," points out Harte.
Meanwhile, Armagh boss McDonnell is weighing up his midfield options now that the injured Charlie Vernon is out of the frame.
James Lavery, Kieran Toner, David McKenna and Brendan Donaghy are in the frame for the two central positions although Donaghy could still find himself slotting into the more familiar full-back role.
McDonnell, though, could employ Finian Moriarty in the No 3 shirt and bring Paul Kernan into the left corner.
"The important thing is that we have players who want to play for Armagh," McDonnell insisted.
"There is a marvellous spirit within the side, everyone wants to play for each other and I find that very encouraging."
McDonnell will conduct an overall health check at training tonight.
Jesus h christ
That would mean Finian could be marking Sean Cavangh??
If Finn Mo starts anywhere in the FB line next Sunday I'll have a serious urge to turn around and walk straight out of Clones. Surely no manager could be that f**king thick?
If he plays and scores (like he has done b4) and Armagh were to win the match there would be some back slappers on the board to Finn...I really don't care what team he picks as long as we win, there have been worse players than Finn recently but they never seem to get the flak???
If Finn Mo or Enda start at FB Armagh are fecked.
Corner back is the position for Finnian
Had a few decent games there last year IMHO
I can't agree fb, I thought he got cleaned out a few times in the league. Half back is a better position for him, McDonnell even moved him there a few times because he wasn't doing so well at corner back - he even scored a goal from half back
id have mallon donaghy shannon
shannon was very impressive in the league and on a few occassions had to be moved on to finn mo's man coz he was getting cleaned.
I've watched Finnian play for Armagh somewhere in the region of 18-20 times in the last 2 years, so I feel that I am in a reasonably strong position to give a evaluation of his ability. From what I have seen, I simply do not think that Finnian is worthy of a place in the Armagh full back line.
Its my opinion that he was not up to the standard during several of last year's league games, this is an opinion that many on this board shared at the time (go back through the threads if you don't remember). I feel that he gave an adequate account of himself in the Championship, however the quality of opposition he faced was questionable (Jason O'Reilly, John Clarke, etc.). And most crucially for me at the present time, I feel he has not been anywhere near the required standard during several of this year's league games.
illdecide thinks there's been worse players lining out for the county recently, and there probably has been, but I defy anyone to name me an Armagh player in the last 15 years that has lined out so frequently for the county despite playing so consistently poorly. This is why he gets so much criticism.
I hope this doesn't come across as an attack on Finnian. And I hope its clear that my opinion is not based on any judgment of the man's character, I don't think I've ever spoken to the lad, but on purely footballing reasons.
Quote from: Pharoch Phantom on May 22, 2009, 03:48:38 PM
Good to see the committee at the club running a chat night with a decent lineup... Brolly v McGuigan should be an interesting tussle...
Cookstown Chats Championship
Fr Rock's have launched an exciting new fund raiser to help rebuild the clubrooms following the recent attack. On May 27th the Greenvale Hotel will play host to a pre-championship chat night. Hosted by Paddy Hunter of Q101fm a star studded panel will preview the Ulster championship clash between Armagh and Tyrone a few days later. Guests include Tyrone legend Frank McGuigan, Armagh pundit Jarlath Burns, Derry legend Joe Brolly and leading pundit Paddy Heaney. It promises to be quite a night. Tickets are on sale now from any committee member or player. Please note that the evening will begin at 9:30pm
yeah that looks like a pretty impressive line up. I might take a spin in to that on wednesday night
Quote from: AFS on May 22, 2009, 06:15:35 PM
I've watched Finnian play for Armagh somewhere in the region of 18-20 times in the last 2 years, so I feel that I am in a reasonably strong position to give a evaluation of his ability. From what I have seen, I simply do not think that Finnian is worthy of a place in the Armagh full back line.
Its my opinion that he was not up to the standard during several of last year's league games, this is an opinion that many on this board shared at the time (go back through the threads if you don't remember). I feel that he gave an adequate account of himself in the Championship, however the quality of opposition he faced was questionable (Jason O'Reilly, John Clarke, etc.). And most crucially for me at the present time, I feel he has not been anywhere near the required standard during several of this year's league games.
illdecide thinks there's been worse players lining out for the county recently, and there probably has been, but I defy anyone to name me an Armagh player in the last 15 years that has lined out so frequently for the county despite playing so consistently poorly. This is why he gets so much criticism.
I hope this doesn't come across as an attack on Finnian. And I hope its clear that my opinion is not based on any judgment of the man's character, I don't think I've ever spoken to the lad, but on purely footballing reasons.
Can't disagree with any of that. unfortunately he has been nothing short of terrible in 2009. The same applies to McClelland, who has been very disappointing despite getting plenty of game time. also, enda would need to have been producing some form in training to play because he never played a single minute in the league despite warming up more than any player i've ever seem. that doesn't leave too many defenders i guess...
Enda came on in the challenge match against Dublin, he looked more like the Enda of old, leaner and faster. He wasn't on for long but he didn't give the Dublin forwards any easy chances.
I was at the Dublin game and recall thinking to myself, same oul enda as he fouled his man twice within minutes of coming on. His time has passed.
Thought Lavery looked good v Harps in last weeks league game, but to be fair we are shocking at the minute. Not impossible that Toner, Lavery and McKenna will all start, McKenna probably in the HF line.
For what its worth I will try to second guess McDonnell here
Hearty (Should be McEvoy)
Andy Mallon
Donaghy
Finn Mo (Should be Shannon)
AK
McKeever
McClelland
Lavery
Toner
Marty
Mallon
Stephen K/MCKenna
Stevie
Clarke
Tony K
Right, Nets first. McEvoy has continually impressed during the NFL and his kickouts have actually benefited Armagh for once. But he will start Hearty. Full Back Line will see Shannon lose out although by all means he has probably been Armaghs best "find" in the NFL. As it has been said already, lost count of the times he had to be moved to Finn Mo's man and looks very comfortable and assured when in possesion but will lose out because McDonnell will go for tried and tested (tested and failed on some occasions). Half back line will see McClelland in because MCDonnell sees something in him. Thought he had a poor NFl myself and looked sometimes out of his depth but I may be proved wrong. Think playing Aidan O'Rourke CHF against Cork showed that MCDonnell has no plans so to speak for him in his defence at this moment. The only other midfielder to see game time in the National League has been Lavery. Armagh will suffer if he plays as I think he has a tendency to slow everything up. Half forward line again, MOR is a gimmie and MAllon has played all year no matter how poor he has been and will start come championship. Left half foorward I think will be the position up for grabs. SK McKEnna and maybe even Paul Duffy in contention? 13 and 14 are again gimmies and Tony K will start at 15 to give Armagh something from frees and he can win his own fair share of ball.
I'll probably get hammered for saying this but Brian Mallon should not be starting for Armagh against Tyrone next Sunday. Can any of you tell me about one good performance he gave since returning from injury? Why can't Stevie McDonnell be pulled out to the half forward line and maybe start Clarke, Henderson and Forker in the full forward line. All of the focus seems to be on whether Finn Mo will start or not and this glaring mistake is being overlooked. I make my comments because I genuinely want to see Armagh do well and not for any other reason. I'd be delighted if Brian Mallon could repeat his performances of old but lately its just not happening for him.
for me i think it will be
Hearty( laso agree it should mc evoy)
mallon, donaghy enda( i dont know why but i think he will play him remember wexford last year)
AK, CMCK barry shannon/finnian
mc kenna Toner
mallon, MOR, TK
Stvie, clarke, henderson/Forker
i think we will play stevie as per the league games in the hole with a formation of 3-3-3-2-1-2
also think we have a better than fair chance of beating Tyrone
Impossible to predict Tyrone line up as usual. I'd guess this but could be totally wrong:
Devine
Ricey
Justy (if fit)
S O'Neill (prob swap with Gormley)
Harte
Gormley
Jordan
Hughes
McGinley
Dooher (if fit)
T McGuigan (could be Brain)
Joe McMahon
Penrose
Cavanagh
Mulligan
Quote from: bennydorano on May 23, 2009, 02:58:37 PM
I was at the Dublin game and recall thinking to myself, same oul enda as he fouled his man twice within minutes of coming on. His time has passed.
Thought Lavery looked good v Harps in last weeks league game, but to be fair we are shocking at the minute. Not impossible that Toner, Lavery and McKenna will all start, McKenna probably in the HF line.
Just goes to show what 2 different people can see out of the same performance from 1 man :)
I was on the same end of the pitch as Enda when he came on, just on the left there through the gate and to be honest with you I cringed when I saw him coming on and said something along those lines to the ones I was with but he surprised me. Granted he fouled all round him surely.
I hope Lavery doesn't start in the middle, Toner is a workhorse and you can tell from his every performance he is proud of putting on the jersey, McKenna was poor in the middle against Dublin but I can't see what other option McDonnell may have as he is a better option than Lavery there.
Quote from: AFS on May 22, 2009, 06:15:35 PM
I've watched Finnian play for Armagh somewhere in the region of 18-20 times in the last 2 years, so I feel that I am in a reasonably strong position to give a evaluation of his ability. From what I have seen, I simply do not think that Finnian is worthy of a place in the Armagh full back line.
Its my opinion that he was not up to the standard during several of last year's league games, this is an opinion that many on this board shared at the time (go back through the threads if you don't remember). I feel that he gave an adequate account of himself in the Championship, however the quality of opposition he faced was questionable (Jason O'Reilly, John Clarke, etc.). And most crucially for me at the present time, I feel he has not been anywhere near the required standard during several of this year's league games.
illdecide thinks there's been worse players lining out for the county recently, and there probably has been, but I defy anyone to name me an Armagh player in the last 15 years that has lined out so frequently for the county despite playing so consistently poorly. This is why he gets so much criticism.
I hope this doesn't come across as an attack on Finnian. And I hope its clear that my opinion is not based on any judgment of the man's character, I don't think I've ever spoken to the lad, but on purely footballing reasons.
I thought you hit the nail on the head a few weeks back AFS when you said that if Moriarty starts in the full back line, it means that McDonnell simply does not judge players on form in the National League. I do think there's room for him in the team though - at left half back.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on May 23, 2009, 10:07:35 PM
Quote from: AFS on May 22, 2009, 06:15:35 PM
I've watched Finnian play for Armagh somewhere in the region of 18-20 times in the last 2 years, so I feel that I am in a reasonably strong position to give a evaluation of his ability. From what I have seen, I simply do not think that Finnian is worthy of a place in the Armagh full back line.
Its my opinion that he was not up to the standard during several of last year's league games, this is an opinion that many on this board shared at the time (go back through the threads if you don't remember). I feel that he gave an adequate account of himself in the Championship, however the quality of opposition he faced was questionable (Jason O'Reilly, John Clarke, etc.). And most crucially for me at the present time, I feel he has not been anywhere near the required standard during several of this year's league games.
illdecide thinks there's been worse players lining out for the county recently, and there probably has been, but I defy anyone to name me an Armagh player in the last 15 years that has lined out so frequently for the county despite playing so consistently poorly. This is why he gets so much criticism.
I hope this doesn't come across as an attack on Finnian. And I hope its clear that my opinion is not based on any judgment of the man's character, I don't think I've ever spoken to the lad, but on purely footballing reasons.
I thought you hit the nail ont he head a few weeks back AFS when you said that if Moriarty starts in the full back line, it means that McDonnell simply does not judge players on form in the National League. I do think there's room for him in the team though - at left half back.
I don't think I did say that, but its sound like the kind of amazingly sensible thing I would say so I'll take credit for it anyway ;D :P
Don't get me wrong folks i'm not one of Finn's supporters by any stretch, i just don't like critising any players who may well end up playing next Sunday, and we need confident players. I know we are all entitled to our opinion's and that's what these forums are all about, but we dont know who is reading these mesages and the negativity it could bring.
Anyway, enough of that here ismy starting team for next Sunday...Hope your reading Peter...lol
Hearty
A Mallon
Donaghy
Finn/Shannon/Enda...i'll let you pick that one Pete
A Kernan
C McKeever
T McClleland
K Toner
D McKenna
M O Rourke
S McDonnell
S Kernan
R Henderson
R Clarke
S Forker
Unless your a county players reading this it's impossible to know how some of these lads are doing in training. I wasn't to sure on the half forward line...Thats been our problem in he last 4 -5 years...
Quote from: illdecide on May 23, 2009, 11:47:27 PM
Don't get me wrong folks i'm not one of Finn's supporters by any stretch, i just don't like critising any players who may well end up playing next Sunday, and we need confident players. I know we are all entitled to our opinion's and that's what these forums are all about, but we dont know who is reading these mesages and the negativity it could bring.
Anyway, enough of that here ismy starting team for next Sunday...Hope your reading Peter...lol
Hearty
A Mallon
Donaghy
Finn/Shannon/Enda...i'll let you pick that one Pete
A Kernan
C McKeever
T McClleland
K Toner
D McKenna
M O Rourke
S McDonnell
S Kernan
R Henderson
R Clarke
S Forker
Unless your a county players reading this it's impossible to know how some of these lads are doing in training. I wasn't to sure on the half forward line...Thats been our problem in he last 4 -5 years...
Apparently Duffy is in the frame for a start at half forward. Would prefer to see Tony Kernan start ahead of Stephen - they'll offer you a similar amount from play (not enough in my view but that's another story) but Tony's free taking should put him ahead I think.
Tony Kernan has to start - solely for free taking
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on May 23, 2009, 10:07:35 PM
I thought you hit the nail on the head a few weeks back AFS when you said that if Moriarty starts in the full back line, it means that McDonnell simply does not judge players on form in the National League.
True. Two players I have harped on about I would like to start - you are sick of me saying it by now - but I doubt neither will. Both had very good campaigns but looks like they will not play in the big one I'd say.
Forward line is a bit different, bit harder to judge. We had moments of excellence from Henderson (one game) and O'Rourke (a few games) - but I can't see them starting.
He doesn't have too many fans but I would love to see SK at 11. He may drift in and out but 9 times out of 10 he will score at least a point from play. I would defintely start him but it will be interesting to see if he gets the nod.
If Tony doesn;t start who would take the frees? Stevie and perhaps Aidan if he starts? I would start Tony there too, a cracking wee player.
Surely it'll be Stevie taking the frees on the left side and Aaron taking them on the right? Its been like that for most of the last year or so.
Quote from: AFS on May 24, 2009, 01:12:36 PM
Surely it'll be Stevie taking the frees on the left side and Aaron taking them on the right? Its been like that for most of the last year or so.
Ah yes, how could I forget Aaron?
Anyway, would rather Tony hitting frees than Stevie.
Martn McHugh said there on The Championship that Stephen O'Neill scored 1-09 and 1-06 in two in-house games last week. Scored 1-09 off Justy McMahon. Promising if true. Probably get inured this week though knowing Stephen's luck.
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on May 24, 2009, 04:05:05 PM
Martn McHugh said there on The Championship that Stephen O'Neill scored 1-09 and 1-06 in two in-house games last week. Scored 1-09 off Justy McMahon. Promising if true. Probably get inured this week though knowing Stephen's luck.
Thon boy's no use anyway!
Will be good for the game if Stephen O'Neill can get over his injury problems and back to his best - things boding well for Tyrone so far this year, and while Jarlaith was going a bit far in his pessimissim for Armagh next week, it could be a real walk in the park for Tyrone if things go their way
Quote from: Size.5.Hallion on May 24, 2009, 04:29:38 PM
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on May 24, 2009, 04:05:05 PM
Martn McHugh said there on The Championship that Stephen O'Neill scored 1-09 and 1-06 in two in-house games last week. Scored 1-09 off Justy McMahon. Promising if true. Probably get inured this week though knowing Stephen's luck.
Thon boy's no use anyway!
Will be good for the game if Stephen O'Neill can get over his injury problems and back to his best - things boding well for Tyrone so far this year, and while Jarlaith was going a bit far in his pessimissim for Armagh next week, it could be a real walk in the park for Tyrone if things go their way
No such thing as a walk in the park against the Buckfast brigade
i reckon the tyrone team could line out like this
McConnell
Ricey
Gormley
Justy
jordan
sean o neill
harte
hughes
mcginley
dooher
mcguigan brain
joey
mccullagh
cavanagh
mulligan
any ideas???
Quote from: sam03/05 on May 24, 2009, 09:45:00 PM
i reckon the tyrone team could line out like this
McConnell
Ricey
Gormley
Justy
jordan
sean o neill
harte
hughes
mcginley
dooher
mcguigan brain
joey
mccullagh
cavanagh
mulligan
any ideas???
No Tommy or Stephen O'Neill?
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on May 24, 2009, 10:01:15 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on May 24, 2009, 09:45:00 PM
i reckon the tyrone team could line out like this
McConnell
Ricey
Gormley
Justy
jordan
sean o neill
harte
hughes
mcginley
dooher
mcguigan brain
joey
mccullagh
cavanagh
mulligan
any ideas???
No Tommy or Stephen O'Neill?
Tommy and Stephen will play IMO
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on May 24, 2009, 10:01:15 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on May 24, 2009, 09:45:00 PM
i reckon the tyrone team could line out like this
McConnell
Ricey
Gormley
Justy
jordan
sean o neill
harte
hughes
mcginley
dooher
mcguigan brain
joey
mccullagh
cavanagh
mulligan
any ideas???
No Tommy or Stephen O'Neill?
well i just think he will leave some firepower on the bench
anyone know the state of play with McConnell is he fit?
devine
ricey
justy
sean oneill
davy
conor
philly
hub
mcginley
tommy
brian mcguigan
joey
penrose
sean
mugsy
Its always difficult to second guess the Tyrone team as Mickey always throws in a surprise. I think Sean O'Neill has an excellent chance of starting in defence but its notoriously difficult to break into this Tyrone team. Tommy McGuigan is a certain starter in my opinion next week he is now an established member of the team.
Apparently Armagh squad have a variant strain of swine-flu connected to diesel smuggling. Tyrone fans are advised to wear contamination masks to Clones next weekend.
McHugh seems to always get some "INSIDE" information for a lot of matches.
Does he know someone in the know or does he just make it up?
Did I hear him right that Dooher won the bleep test as well.
Is it true Mugsy is back in good form?
There's some difference in forwards to pick from this year compared to last year.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 25, 2009, 10:46:19 AM
McHugh seems to always get some "INSIDE" information for a lot of matches.
Does he know someone in the know or does he just make it up?
Did I hear him right that Dooher won the bleep test as well.
Is it true Mugsy is back in good form?
There's some difference in forwards to pick from this year compared to last year.
He takes a flyer at these things. Soundbites as Brolly would say.
Orangeman
If both Brian & Tommy are fully fit where would you play them?
Actually who would your best forward line be if everyone fit including Dooher and Stevie
Would be nice to see
McGinley Hub
Dooher Snout Tommy
SON Sean Mugsy/McCullagh
Could we see Joe deployed at corner back again
my thoughts are:
Devine
Ricey
Justy
Swift/PJ/SONeill
Davy
Block
Jordan
Hub
Enda
Joey
B Mc Guigan
Tommy
Colly/Penrose
Sean
Mugsy
I think dooher and SON won't start but left as impact subs, also leaves a strong bench as good cover for all positions, roll on Sunday!
The next week will be chock full of rumours no doubt however:
In 2005 SF I thought Joey did extremely well on Clarke and could see him nominally named at CB to pick him up. Justin may well pick up McDonnell and let Block get on with his own game.
SON at 100% is a no brainer, McC in ahead of Penfold, although could he and Brian play together effectively? Both prob look for the same spaces / runs to give and recieve the ball.
Whoever McKeever marks will have a tough time of it - would be interesting to see him on Sean, although if SON AND Sean were on - who does he pick up?
Does Armagh have anyone to mark a 100% fit Dooher, or even an 80% fit Dooher?
Quote from: tyroneman on May 25, 2009, 12:50:55 PM
The next week will be chock full of rumours no doubt however:
In 2005 SF I thought Joey did extremely well on Clarke and could see him nominally named at CB to pick him up. Justin may well pick up McDonnell and let Block get on with his own game.
SON at 100% is a no brainer, McC in ahead of Penfold, although could he and Brian play together effectively? Both prob look for the same spaces / runs to give and recieve the ball.
Whoever McKeever marks will have a tough time of it - would be interesting to see him on Sean, although if SON AND Sean were on - who does he pick up?
Does Armagh have anyone to mark a 100% fit Dooher, or even an 80% fit Dooher?
Not really, didn't AOR always do quite well on him? But I don't know if Aidan will start.
Quote from: tyroneman on May 25, 2009, 12:50:55 PM
The next week will be chock full of rumours no doubt however:
In 2005 SF I thought Joey did extremely well on Clarke and could see him nominally named at CB to pick him up. Justin may well pick up McDonnell and let Block get on with his own game.
SON at 100% is a no brainer, McC in ahead of Penfold, although could he and Brian play together effectively? Both prob look for the same spaces / runs to give and recieve the ball.
Whoever McKeever marks will have a tough time of it - would be interesting to see him on Sean, although if SON AND Sean were on - who does he pick up?
Does Armagh have anyone to mark a 100% fit Dooher, or even an 80% fit Dooher?
does anyone ;)
Quote from: corn02 on May 24, 2009, 12:57:35 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on May 23, 2009, 10:07:35 PM
I thought you hit the nail on the head a few weeks back AFS when you said that if Moriarty starts in the full back line, it means that McDonnell simply does not judge players on form in the National League.
True. Two players I have harped on about I would like to start - you are sick of me saying it by now - but I doubt neither will. Both had very good campaigns but looks like they will not play in the big one I'd say.
Forward line is a bit different, bit harder to judge. We had moments of excellence from Henderson (one game) and O'Rourke (a few games) - but I can't see them starting.
He doesn't have too many fans but I would love to see SK at 11. He may drift in and out but 9 times out of 10 he will score at least a point from play. I would defintely start him but it will be interesting to see if he gets the nod.
If Tony doesn;t start who would take the frees? Stevie and perhaps Aidan if he starts? I would start Tony there too, a cracking wee player.
eh? are there any other dormintee men you could squueze in?
Would you start Hearty and P Kernan/Moriarty ahead of McEvoy and Shannon?
As for Aidan, I did say if he starts.
Things shaping up nicely for Tyrone for Sunday's game
QuoteStephen O'Neill and Brian Dooher appear to be winning their fitness battles heading into Sunday's big Ulster SFC clash against Armagh at Clones.
The Clann na nGael pair came through a weekend training camp in Kildare and are in strong contention to line out.
Enda McGinley looks set to start despite sustaining a dislocated finger recently while Ryan Mellon has recovered fully from an ankle injury.
Aidan Cassidy (ankle) is out while Cathal McCarron is suspended.
O'Neill missed most of the National League after sustaining a knee injury in the opening win over Dublin while Dooher has not played for Tyrone since undergoing groin surgery after last September's All-Ireland final.
"Stephen came through everything at our weekend training camp, and he's fine," said Tyrone assistant manager Tony Donnelly.
"And he had a full week last week, when we had an in-house game. He's in contention for a starting place.
"Brian came through everything last week and at the weekend as well.
"We're hoping that he doesn't have any reaction and he should be challenging for a place as well."
McGinley and Mellon are also both unavailable and rumours that Davy Harte was a fitness doubt were unfounded.
"Davy is fine. He didn't miss any training sessions, he has been able to take part in all the work," added Donnelly.
And in a further boost, defender Damien McCaul is close to a return following a lengthy spell out with a ruptured cruciate ligament.
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Shucks
We're running out of excuses then.
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on May 25, 2009, 03:34:01 PM
Things shaping up nicely for Tyrone for Sunday's game
QuoteStephen O'Neill and Brian Dooher appear to be winning their fitness battles heading into Sunday's big Ulster SFC clash against Armagh at Clones.
The Clann na nGael pair came through a weekend training camp in Kildare and are in strong contention to line out.
Enda McGinley looks set to start despite sustaining a dislocated finger recently while Ryan Mellon has recovered fully from an ankle injury.
Aidan Cassidy (ankle) is out while Cathal McCarron is suspended.
O'Neill missed most of the National League after sustaining a knee injury in the opening win over Dublin while Dooher has not played for Tyrone since undergoing groin surgery after last September's All-Ireland final.
"Stephen came through everything at our weekend training camp, and he's fine," said Tyrone assistant manager Tony Donnelly.
"And he had a full week last week, when we had an in-house game. He's in contention for a starting place.
"Brian came through everything last week and at the weekend as well.
"We're hoping that he doesn't have any reaction and he should be challenging for a place as well."
McGinley and Mellon are also both unavailable and rumours that Davy Harte was a fitness doubt were unfounded.
"Davy is fine. He didn't miss any training sessions, he has been able to take part in all the work," added Donnelly.
And in a further boost, defender Damien McCaul is close to a return following a lengthy spell out with a ruptured cruciate ligament.
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Well that makes choosing the possible line-up a lot harder!!
Defence no diffierent but forward line near impossible to choose...whats the chances of joey moving to midfield or will hub be used as the wrecking ball?
Joey Enda
Tommy B Mc Guigan Dooher
Musgy Sean SON
It's gonna be tasty anyways...
SO, if all fit, what's Tyrone's strongest starting XV?
Forwards:
Dooher - McGuigan - Tommy
Mugsy - Cavanagh - O'Neill
MF:
McGinley - Hughes
Backs:
Ricey - McMahon - ?
Harte - Gormley - Jordan
I'd go with this:
McConnell
Ricey
Justy
Gormley
Harte
S O'Neill
Joran
Hughes
McGinley
Dooher
T McGuigan
Joe McMahon
S O'Neill
Cavanagh
Mugsy
Big exclusion would be Brian McGuigan. Haven't picked him because not convinced he is anywere close to his top form. Would love to see him back to close to his best and if so he'd be a definate ahead of Tommy or Mugsy. Also Mellon has been in good form this year and on his day could be a better option than Hub.
I'm a bit worried. Things are shaping up very well with close to a fully fit panel. Its only May and we saw how All Irelands arent won at this stage last year. Certainly compared to the start off 04 and 06 things look much better. Armagh have did a great job at talking themselves down ahead of this game which also worries me. They arent the complete no hopers they are making themselves out to be. They are the ulster championship specialists and have a much better ulster record than Tyrone this last 10 years. They have Clarke and McDonnell up front who could cause serious problems.
Was wondering here, has Hub started to show improvement at training again or what? a tad surprised at his
resounding inclusion here in most attempts at a team, I'd have Big Joe or indeed Mellon in there with
Cassidy being gone...Mellon usually always has a blinder against the neighbours ;)
I Think we'll see O'Neill and Dooher come on in the 2nd Half but as far as surprises go, if Stevie starts there's a chance we could
see Sean back in the middle now that we have a fairly healthy forward line for this one.
An on song partnership of Clarke and McDonnell could cause all kinds of problems for us...big test for Justy as we know how hard it is
for Clarke to stay on his feet when marshalled...we can't have them living off 20 yd frees :-\
Devine
Ricey Justy Joey Swift Conor
Davy Conor Jordan
Enda Sean
Tommy Brian Joey
McCullagh O'Neill Mugsy?/Penrose Perhaps
Dooher to come in for the last 35 with Tommy going into 15, Joey to go back to the square for the craft if justy is struggling and Conor
to McDonnell if he needs curtailing...just my 2 cents worth
Edit* An honest question.... has Mulligan done enough in the past couple of years to warrant an automatic start ???
ffs the closer i get to this game the more worried i become either we will give the tyronnies the fright of their lives or we will take a tanking
at the moment it looks like a tanking but come sunday with a few pints in me , the confidence will be back
Quote from: Tyrones own on May 25, 2009, 05:39:34 PM
Edit* An honest question.... has Mulligan done enough in the past couple of years to warrant an automatic start ???
If Mulligan has O'Neill and Cavanagh alongside him in the FF line then you have to start him. While he may be unreliable as the number 1 forward, with those 2 taking pressure off him to perform it should improve his contribution in a big way.
As for my 15:
Devine
McMenamin - McMahon - Gourley
Harte - Gormley - Jordan
Hughes & Enda
Tommy - McCullagh - McMahon
Penrose - Cavanagh - Mulligan
It's probably a bit too soon to expect a full 70 at Championship pace from McGuigan, Dooher and O'Neill, and I'd rather see them finish the game than start it
I'm sure this'll be much closer than many think. In Clarke and McDonnell Armagh have 2 forwards as good as what there is on the Tyrone side. NFL form didn't suggest Tyrone were anywhere near their best so it'll not just be a matter of clicking the championship fingers. I can see a tight affair and if Dooher and O'Neill are unfit, Armagh are capable of a good result.
Quote from: ONeill on May 25, 2009, 07:54:18 PM
I'm sure this'll be much closer than many think... I can see a tight affair and if Dooher and O'Neill are unfit, Armagh are capable of a good result.
Good man, I get really worried when you're optimistic ;)
Here's my selection:
| McEvoy | |
| Andy Mallon | Donaghy | Moriarity |
| Aaron Kernan | McKeever | McClelland |
| Lavery | | Toner |
| Martin O'Rourke | Brian Mallon | McKenna |
| McDonnell | Clarke | Stephen Kernan |
Two man forward line, three in midfield and Stephen K out on the half.
Armagh 2-09 Tyrone 0-14
McEvoy
Andy Mallon Donaghy Moriarity
Aaron Kernan McKeever McClelland
McKenna Toner
Duffy Brian Mallon Tony K
McDonnell Clarke Henderson
Quote from: Tyrones own on May 25, 2009, 05:39:34 PM
An on song partnership of Clarke and McDonnell could cause all kinds of problems for us...big test for Justy as we know how hard it is
for Clarke to stay on his feet when marshalled...we can't have them living off 20 yd frees :-\
Y'ere having a laugh.
It's hard to make a case for an Armagh win in this game - there's too many unknown factors. The league was a mixed bag again. We're now a young team who are coming up against a mature, extremely experienced outfit, with many of the team on the go since 2001/2 and have little left to learn about themselves. Now's probably a good time to get at Tyrone and the rivalry is a big factor but it would take Armagh to be playing at a level we have only seen in glimpses over the past year to pull it off.
The Battle of the Big Guns at last
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Tyrone county board review preparations
Could someone either give me directions to Clones or point me to where I can find them?
First time going from Belfast and will be driving on my own. Only other time I have went was as a passenger from Strabane.
Cheers.
From Belfast I would head straight down M1 right to the end. After the Eglish roundabout (one mile from end of motorway) take the next right (about half a mile past) which goes left under road and straight into Aughnacloy. When you get into the town at the t junction turn right and immediately left again towards Emyvale (all signposted). It's straight through there and on to Monaghan town. From there it's again clearly signposted for Clones which would be normally 20 minutes from Monaghan.
For Sunday though I'd allow 2 hours though. Get there early. That journey would normally be well under two hours in total.
Don't think there's many alternatives. Those feckers will be descending on Clones from all sides North and East.
Quote from: Armamike on May 25, 2009, 09:01:04 PM
Quote from: Tyrones own on May 25, 2009, 05:39:34 PM
An on song partnership of Clarke and McDonnell could cause all kinds of problems for us...big test for Justy as we know how hard it is
for Clarke to stay on his feet when marshalled...we can't have them living off 20 yd frees :-\
Y'ere having a laugh.
It's hard to make a case for an Armagh win in this game - there's too many unknown factors. The league was a mixed bag again. We're now a young team who are coming up against a mature, extremely experienced outfit, with many of the team on the go since 2001/2 and have little left to learn about themselves. Now's probably a good time to get at Tyrone and the rivalry is a big factor but it would take Armagh to be playing at a level we have only seen in glimpses over the past year to pull it off.
Given Tyrone's record in the 1st round of the Championship since 2005 - a defeat v Derry, a 1 point win over Fermanagh and a draw and defeat v Down - the 1st round certainly seems to be the time to get them. On the flip side however, Tyrone haven't been beaten in Clones since June 2004.
Orior two McKennas?
Few teams now I have seen without Marty, is he borderline for people?
Quote from: Armamike on May 25, 2009, 09:01:04 PM
Quote from: Tyrones own on May 25, 2009, 05:39:34 PM
An on song partnership of Clarke and McDonnell could cause all kinds of problems for us...big test for Justy as we know how hard it is
for Clarke to stay on his feet when marshalled...we can't have them living off 20 yd frees :-\
Y'ere having a laugh.
It's hard to make a case for an Armagh win in this game - there's too many unknown factors. The league was a mixed bag again. We're now a young team who are coming up against a mature, extremely experienced outfit, with many of the team on the go since 2001/2 and have little left to learn about themselves. Now's probably a good time to get at Tyrone and the rivalry is a big factor but it would take Armagh to be playing at a level we have only seen in glimpses over the past year to pull it off.
Its not that hard to make a case for a county who has dominated ulster in recent years and are the current champions to win a first round game. Tyrone have had a poor league (similar to Armaghs in some ways) and many of our key players have showed no form this year and some are coming back from long tem injury. Tyrone couldnt beat Down at the same stage last year and Armagh are much better equipped to cause an upset with the potential for goals from Clarke/McDonnell. Tyrone also took a few weeks of training and are only back together a few weeks so may not be at their peak sharpness. Also Armagh are rarily beaten in Clones and will be grateful the game is there.
Having said that Tyrone look a much stronger all round line up than Armagh at this stage on paper (games arent won on paper though). I've no doubt Harte will want to win this game and the players will want to go the front door route.
Anyone saying they want to go through the backdoor may live to regret that when they are drawn away to Kerry/Cork in round 2. This is an important game especially as there is an extra qualifier game this year. The winners will be 2 games from the quarter finals, the losers 4.
Quote from: ExiledGael on May 25, 2009, 09:24:49 PM
From Belfast I would head straight down M1 right to the end. After the Eglish roundabout (one mile from end of motorway) take the next right (about half a mile past) which goes left under road and straight into Aughnacloy. When you get into the town at the t junction turn right and immediately left again towards Emyvale (all signposted). It's straight through there and on to Monaghan town. From there it's again clearly signposted for Clones which would be normally 20 minutes from Monaghan.
For Sunday though I'd allow 2 hours though. Get there early. That journey would normally be well under two hours in total.
Don't think there's many alternatives. Those feckers will be descending on Clones from all sides North and East.
Cheers for that. I haven't been keeping up to date, but I assume the minor game will be on too? I plan to be down well before that starts.
Quote from: Doohicky on May 25, 2009, 09:17:54 PM
Could someone either give me directions to Clones or point me to where I can find them?
First time going from Belfast and will be driving on my own. Only other time I have went was as a passenger from Strabane.
Cheers.
Just get on the M1 and head west for about 25 miles, go off at Junction 11 (Craigavon/Portadown/Armagh). Just follow the signs for Armagh (another 15 miles), when you get into the city centre and head for Irish Street and Monaghan Road (A3), once you're on Monaghan Road just follow all the Buckfast traffic to Monaghan town and Clones, ye can't miss it
I'd say so. The mior games are staring very early too as they've to allow for possible extra time also.
Know that Armagh route too but trafiic will be even worse there.
If you want to avoid the Armagh hoors, drive to the end of the M1 and take the first left after the Ballygawley roundabout through Aughnacloy, Emyvale and Monaghan.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on May 25, 2009, 09:26:24 PM
Quote from: Armamike on May 25, 2009, 09:01:04 PM
Quote from: Tyrones own on May 25, 2009, 05:39:34 PM
An on song partnership of Clarke and McDonnell could cause all kinds of problems for us...big test for Justy as we know how hard it is
for Clarke to stay on his feet when marshalled...we can't have them living off 20 yd frees :-\
Y'ere having a laugh.
It's hard to make a case for an Armagh win in this game - there's too many unknown factors. The league was a mixed bag again. We're now a young team who are coming up against a mature, extremely experienced outfit, with many of the team on the go since 2001/2 and have little left to learn about themselves. Now's probably a good time to get at Tyrone and the rivalry is a big factor but it would take Armagh to be playing at a level we have only seen in glimpses over the past year to pull it off.
Its not that hard to make a case for a county who has dominated ulster in recent years and are the current champions to win a first round game. Tyrone have had a poor league (similar to Armaghs in some ways) and many of our key players have showed no form this year and some are coming back from long tem injury. Tyrone couldnt beat Down at the same stage last year and Armagh are much better equipped to cause an upset with the potential for goals from Clarke/McDonnell. Tyrone also took a few weeks of training and are only back together a few weeks so may not be at their peak sharpness. Also Armagh are rarily beaten in Clones and will be grateful the game is there.
Having said that Tyrone look a much stronger all round line up than Armagh at this stage on paper (games arent won on paper though). I've no doubt Harte will want to win this game and the players will want to go the front door route.
Anyone saying they want to go through the backdoor may live to regret that when they are drawn away to Kerry/Cork in round 2. This is an important game especially as there is an extra qualifier game this year. The winners will be 2 games from the quarter finals, the losers 4.
To be honest I thought AFS was on about the Clarke not staying on his feet comment, which was ridiculous.
I'll be very surprised if O'Neill or Dooher start for Tyrone on Sunday considering their lack of action in recent months. Can't see Harte taking the risk, and its not as if Tyrone don't have plenty of decent alternatives anyway.
Looking forward to the minor game in particular and I'd encourage as many Armagh people as possible to get in early for that one. Although I've yet to see them, by all accounts we've a very talented bunch. Tyrone, as always at underage level, will be a massive challenge but if our lads manage this hurdle I'd expect them to go on and take the Ulster title and who knows after that.
Quote from: corn02 on May 25, 2009, 09:36:31 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on May 25, 2009, 09:26:24 PM
Quote from: Armamike on May 25, 2009, 09:01:04 PM
Quote from: Tyrones own on May 25, 2009, 05:39:34 PM
An on song partnership of Clarke and McDonnell could cause all kinds of problems for us...big test for Justy as we know how hard it is
for Clarke to stay on his feet when marshalled...we can't have them living off 20 yd frees :-\
Y'ere having a laugh.
It's hard to make a case for an Armagh win in this game - there's too many unknown factors. The league was a mixed bag again. We're now a young team who are coming up against a mature, extremely experienced outfit, with many of the team on the go since 2001/2 and have little left to learn about themselves. Now's probably a good time to get at Tyrone and the rivalry is a big factor but it would take Armagh to be playing at a level we have only seen in glimpses over the past year to pull it off.
Its not that hard to make a case for a county who has dominated ulster in recent years and are the current champions to win a first round game. Tyrone have had a poor league (similar to Armaghs in some ways) and many of our key players have showed no form this year and some are coming back from long tem injury. Tyrone couldnt beat Down at the same stage last year and Armagh are much better equipped to cause an upset with the potential for goals from Clarke/McDonnell. Tyrone also took a few weeks of training and are only back together a few weeks so may not be at their peak sharpness. Also Armagh are rarily beaten in Clones and will be grateful the game is there.
Having said that Tyrone look a much stronger all round line up than Armagh at this stage on paper (games arent won on paper though). I've no doubt Harte will want to win this game and the players will want to go the front door route.
Anyone saying they want to go through the backdoor may live to regret that when they are drawn away to Kerry/Cork in round 2. This is an important game especially as there is an extra qualifier game this year. The winners will be 2 games from the quarter finals, the losers 4.
To be honest I thought AFS was on about the Clarke not staying on his feet comment, which was ridiculous.
???
Quote from: AFS on May 25, 2009, 09:48:37 PM
I'll be very surprised if O'Neill or Dooher start for Tyrone on Sunday considering their lack of action in recent months. Can't see Harte taking the risk, and its not as if Tyrone don't have plenty of decent alternatives anyway.
Looking forward to the minor game in particular and I'd encourage as many Armagh people as possible to get in early for that one. Although I've yet to see them, by all accounts we've a very talented bunch. Tyrone, as always at underage level, will be a massive challenge but if they manage this hurdle I'd expect them to go on and take the Ulster title and who knows after that.
Indeed, it should be a good one - despite the fact Tyrone have no starters from last years All Ireland winning side, a large number of players having made an impact at MacRory level, I'd be confident of making it 3 Ulster Minor titles in a row if they can get over this Minor league winning Armagh side on Sunday
Quote from: corn02 on May 25, 2009, 09:26:05 PM
Orior two McKennas?
Few teams now I have seen without Marty, is he borderline for people?
Can't believe that myself. To be honest, I'm very reluctant to take anyone that leaves him out seriously. In my eyes, he is one of 5 or 6 definites for us at the minute.
Is there 2 McKenna's?
Quote from: AFS on May 25, 2009, 09:55:55 PM
Quote from: corn02 on May 25, 2009, 09:26:05 PM
Orior two McKennas?
Few teams now I have seen without Marty, is he borderline for people?
Can't believe that myself. To be honest, I'm very reluctant to take anyone that leaves him out seriously. In my eyes, he is one of 5 or 6 definites for us at the minute.
Sorry meant Armamike for the Clarke too.
Yeah a definite for me too.
Quote from: corn02 on May 25, 2009, 09:26:05 PM
Orior two McKennas?
Few teams now I have seen without Marty, is he borderline for people?
Whoops - thanks corn. Typo - I meant Marty O'Rourke
Quote from: corn02 on May 25, 2009, 09:36:31 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on May 25, 2009, 09:26:24 PM
Quote from: Armamike on May 25, 2009, 09:01:04 PM
Quote from: Tyrones own on May 25, 2009, 05:39:34 PM
An on song partnership of Clarke and McDonnell could cause all kinds of problems for us...big test for Justy as we know how hard it is
for Clarke to stay on his feet when marshalled...we can't have them living off 20 yd frees :-\
Y'ere having a laugh.
It's hard to make a case for an Armagh win in this game - there's too many unknown factors. The league was a mixed bag again. We're now a young team who are coming up against a mature, extremely experienced outfit, with many of the team on the go since 2001/2 and have little left to learn about themselves. Now's probably a good time to get at Tyrone and the rivalry is a big factor but it would take Armagh to be playing at a level we have only seen in glimpses over the past year to pull it off.
Its not that hard to make a case for a county who has dominated ulster in recent years and are the current champions to win a first round game. Tyrone have had a poor league (similar to Armaghs in some ways) and many of our key players have showed no form this year and some are coming back from long tem injury. Tyrone couldnt beat Down at the same stage last year and Armagh are much better equipped to cause an upset with the potential for goals from Clarke/McDonnell. Tyrone also took a few weeks of training and are only back together a few weeks so may not be at their peak sharpness. Also Armagh are rarily beaten in Clones and will be grateful the game is there.
Having said that Tyrone look a much stronger all round line up than Armagh at this stage on paper (games arent won on paper though). I've no doubt Harte will want to win this game and the players will want to go the front door route.
Anyone saying they want to go through the backdoor may live to regret that when they are drawn away to Kerry/Cork in round 2. This is an important game especially as there is an extra qualifier game this year. The winners will be 2 games from the quarter finals, the losers 4.
To be honest I thought AFS was on about the Clarke not staying on his feet comment, which was ridiculous.
Eh? You're starting to confuse me Corn!
I'll go with:
Hearty
Mallon Donaghy McKeever
AK AOR Duffy
Toner McKenna
Mallon SK MOR
Stevie Clarkey TK
If things aren't working I wouldn't mind seeing Stevie out to centre forward & Henderson in the corner.
I think it's harsh on Finn Mo – as he's been excellent in championship football. Harsh too on Shannon, who has impressed me every time he's played for Armagh.
Nice to have some options though!
Looks like it good me good weather for the weekend but not too hot either.
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Where are use all for on Sunday lads?
Hill?
Seating?
Paragon for wan first? :o
Quote from: Massey-135 on May 26, 2009, 11:03:49 AM
Where are use all for on Sunday lads?
Hill?
Seating?
Paragon for wan first? :o
Hill...and i'll be staying away from the Buckie boys ;)
Armagh could well beat Tyrone on Sunday in a one of situation . But lets be honest Tyrone I genuinely think can move up a few gears whereas we at the moment can't due to a variety of reasons but given time over the next few years we should be . Paul Kernan if fit for me would be the man to mark Sean Kavanagh at full forward . Paul has the physical strength and I watched him mark James Keilt out of it in the universities. Good player wonder why no-one has considered him. Brendan Donaghy is a superb half back and the line of Kernan McKeever and Donaghy would be formidable.
Quote from: illdecide on May 26, 2009, 11:08:50 AM
Hill...and i'll be staying away from the Buckie boys ;)
Are the Clans tickets being given out tonight, illdecide?
Clarke and McDonnell need to be taken care off. Justy will start at full back, I have a feeling block will be named at 6 but will move straight onto Stevie from Killeavy. Harte always likes to put the block on the dangerman. Ricey to move into centre half back, Swift over to the other corner and Joey starting at 12. That's my take on matters at this early stage of the week. Getting excited at the prospect of SON playing any amount of time, but like other posters, I believe himself and the hoover will be sprung from the bench.
A couple of articles from today's Irish News:
Harte hopes Hands have the hunger for more of the Sam
By Francis Mooney
Mickey Harte has admitted that he doesn't know if his players possess the hunger and desire to retain the All-Ireland title for the first time.
He won't discover whether the reigning champions have those magical qualities until they launch themselves into Championship action this weekend.
Twice previously, Tyrone have attempted to defend the Sam Maguire Cup, but on both occasions they came up well short. But the Errigal Ciaran man has committed himself, ever since last September's victory over Kerry, to do everything in his power to win back to back titles this year. "We would hope that would be the case, but the proof of the pudding is in the eating. We can prepare all we want, we can set our minds to do the task that we want to do," said Harte.
"You don't know the answers until you're faced with the serious questions, and the serious questions start on the 31st of May against Armagh. That's the first time we'll have to decide just how much hunger is there, how much desire is there, and how much commitment is there.
"We believe it's there, the players believe it's there. If they didn't believe that it's there, then they definitely wouldn't achieve it.
"If they believe it's there, and can follow that up with action, then we'll get to know some of those answers."
Harte is convinced the magnitude of the prize attainable by his players is the perfect incentive for a huge challenge in 2009.
"Looking at it now, as objectively as you can, I believe the players are really in a good place, ready to challenge themselves to deliver something, to set out on the road of trying to achieve something they have never done before."
Tyrone go into this weekend's clash with Armagh on the back of a disappointing League campaign. They only managed to steer clear of relegation on the final day of the Division One campaign, but Harte doesn't believe League form will have any bearing on his side's readiness for championship action. He recalls that the Red Hands experienced similar difficulties in the NFL last year, but went on to win the All-Ireland.
"No, it's not a worry. You might say it's disappointing insofar as we didn't contest the final, and to that extent it is.
"On the other hand, it was an average sort of season in terms of points picked up, no different than last year. We didn't get any more points last year, in fact, we looked to be in a lot more of a dubious position in June of last year when we lost to Down.
"So you can't really lean on past results, you can't lean on past seasons, you can only deal with the here and now.
"And if we stay injury-free, which we are relatively at the moment, Brian Dooher and Stephen O'Neill being the concerns, if we can overcome those couple of injuries and have a full hand to pick from, then we're in a very strong challenging position for honours.
"That's the place you want to be at this time of year, and I hope we can build on that."
Harte has learned from the painful experiences of 2004 and 2006, when Tyrone failed to retain the All-Ireland title, that champions are particularly vulnerable. "You never anticipate these things in advance, unfortunately. If we did, we could always correct everything. We believed we were doing the best we could in any of those years, we were dealing with the circumstances that prevailed to the best of our ability.
"The answer was that ultimately it wasn't good enough to win an All-Ireland. Now we're dealing with the present circumstances that we find ourselves in. We hope we're coping well with that, and we hope we can actually go out and be better than we were those two years, and if we do that, then we certainly should be in the Championship longer than in either '04 or '06.
"And if we can do that, usually a team, when they get a bit of a run going, or get a few results behind them, they actually raise themselves to new levels.
"Look at any team that wins an All-Ireland, look at them in the first round of that Championship, and you say 'that team will never win anything'. But yet, when they get a few results behind them, get a bit of momentum going, get a bit of belief back in the players, things take on a new life of their own.
"If we can get over those early hurdles and build a bit of momentum, then anything's possible. But you know, you're always only one game away from being told that you're at the right end of the market or the wrong end of the market. That's the reality."
Sunday's opponents Armagh have been crowned Ulster champions seven times in the last decade. But the fact that they have managed to win just one All-Ireland in that period has added weight to the argument that provincial title-holders are placed at a disadvantage in the latter stages of the series. The Tyrone boss, however, feels Armagh have been wonderful ambassadors for Ulster in the modern era.
"They might say it has done them an awful lot of good, because the record books will always say they have won that number of Ulsters in that particular decade.
"I think they will still look back and be very content that that team, or that squad of players, achieved an awful lot over those years.
"They may feel a little bit disappointed that they didn't get another All-Ireland, which they were very close to doing on a couple of occasions. They gave a lot to football and they'll be remembered as a great team."
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Ulster SFC
By Francis Mooney and Paul McConville
ALL-Ireland champions Tyrone have received a double boost with the news that Stephen O'Neill and Brian Dooher are both poised to start against Armagh in Sunday's Ulster SFC clash at Clones.
The Clann na nGael pair came through a weekend training camp at Carton House, and have proved their fitness to manager Mickey Harte. O'Neill had suffered a setback in his recovery from a knee injury picked up in the opening NFL game against Dublin back in February, while Dooher has undergone groin surgery and had not played for Tyrone since last September's All-Ireland final.
"Stephen came through everything at our weekend training camp, and he's fine," said Tyrone assistant manager Tony Donnelly.
"He's in contention for a starting place."
Ryan Mellon is also progressing well in his recovery from an ankle injury, and is in line for a start against the Ulster champions. Meanwhile, injury scares over Enda McGinley and Davy Harte have proven to be unfounded. McGinley has been declared fully fit, despite dislocating a finger in a recent club game. And in a further boost, defender Damien McCaul is close to a return following a lengthy spell out with a ruptured cruciate ligament.
However, Aidan Cassidy is definitely out of Sunday's game, having damaged an ankle in a club game.
For Armagh, Charlie Vernon is still three or four weeks away from a return following a broken jaw, while manager Peter McDonnell has concerns over some of his players following a stomach bug in the camp last week.
Thirteen players were struck down with the illness and McDonnell admitted that many are still struggling to regain strength and weight. However, the Orchard boss was full of praise for the county's medical team and their handling of the situation and said he was surprised to hear a theory that food-poisoning had been the cause of the outbreak, given the attention to detail paid to nutrition.
"I was surprised and shocked to hear that there was another cause implied that did not come from our own medical team," said McDonnell.
"I have to say, our medical team handled this incredibly well, there were no risks taken whatsoever.
"It was just one of those things that went through the camp rapidly, but we managed it exceptionally well and if it wasn't for that, there would have been players contracting it."
Quote from: Donagh on May 26, 2009, 12:00:28 PM
Quote from: illdecide on May 26, 2009, 11:08:50 AM
Hill...and i'll be staying away from the Buckie boys ;)
Are the Clans tickets being given out tonight, illdecide?
As far as i know Donagh...
Will be in Belfast at the weekend so if I wanted to avoid long queues on Sunday would it be better to stay clear of the Armagh-Monaghan road?
Would I be better going Wewtonhamiltonr & Ballybay or is that other way not that bad on match day?
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 26, 2009, 03:04:42 PM
Will be in Belfast at the weekend so if I wanted to avoid long queues on Sunday would it be better to stay clear of the Armagh-Monaghan road?
Would I be better going Wewtonhamiltonr & Ballybay or is that other way not that bad on match day?
You'd prob be safer going to end of motorway and taking a left out to aughnacloy through emyvale and Monaghan town to clones much better road
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 26, 2009, 03:04:42 PM
Will be in Belfast at the weekend so if I wanted to avoid long queues on Sunday would it be better to stay clear of the Armagh-Monaghan road?
Would I be better going Wewtonhamiltonr & Ballybay or is that other way not that bad on match day?
I was told a few pages back to avoid the Armagh-Monaghan road.
I'll be leaving Belfast about 10 and taking the turn off at the end of the M1.
I know it looks like a roundabout way, but I am tempted to go on down to Lisnaskea and through Newtownbutler. I've rarely had to sit in traffic on the way out on that road. Google Maps gives it as 10mins longer.
Jeepers Rois that seems a way out of your way altogether.
I'd expect the Monaghan to Clones road to be busy then eh?
I'm bound for Dublin afterwards so wanna park on either the Ballybay or Coothill road for quick getaway.
Do any of the Armagh lads know how busy that Newtonhamilton to Ballybay road gets on match days?
QuoteDo any of the Armagh lads know how busy that Newtonhamilton to Ballybay road gets on match days?
It's busy, but keeps moving.
I see mickey is saying in todays mirror that brian mc guigan tweaked the hamstring and Colly mc Cullagh hasn't trained in three weeks, prob not enough to rule them out for Sunday. On a plus note the weather looking good for weekend wall to wall sun an low 20's perfect paragon weather!
Out of curosity what will be the main route taken by the Tyronies (no smart answers Ziggy)
Quote from: illdecide on May 26, 2009, 04:47:47 PM
Out of curosity what will be the main route taken by the Tyronies (no smart answers Ziggy)
the back door route
Quote from: illdecide on May 26, 2009, 04:47:47 PM
Out of curosity what will be the main route taken by the Tyronies (no smart answers Ziggy)
The traditional route.
It seems like a lifetime since Tyrone went into a Championship game with SON and Dooher both starting. Not much been said of Mulligan recently, I hope this is a good sign and he can have a decent year this year without injuries taking him out.
who are the 'certs' for starting for Tyrone this weekend. I make it:
The Devine One
Ryan 'Ricey' McMenamin
Conor Gormley
David Harte
Phillip Jordan
Kevin 'Hub' Hughes
Enda McGinely
Thomas McGuigan
Sean Cavanagh
all other places up for grabs
Quote from: illdecide on May 26, 2009, 04:47:47 PM
Out of curosity what will be the main route taken by the Tyronies (no smart answers Ziggy)
Depends on what part of the county u coming from...heading from omagh I'd always go fintona to fivemiletown and cross country over the mountains into clones, I presume a lot from the east head down via Monaghan town or newtonbutler?
Fuzzman if you want to go to Dublin after game. Then consider coming by Ballybay, in Newbliss take the right turn on the main street after the Clones one, this is a decent road that ends up on the Ballyhaise - Clones road (R212). Turn right on this and you end up on McCurtain street in Clones, (or parked out on the road). When leaving then just head for Ballyhaise and then Cavan and on to Dublin. There can be significant queue of traffic in Ballybay if you go back that way.
Armagh's Stevie McDonnell says that the start of the season is the best time to take on Tyrone. Here is the video to his interview.
http://armaghgaa.info/forum/f5/armagh-v-tyrone-gaelic-athletic-association-thread-126/index2.html#post916
rumour has it p duffy, p kernan and t kernan have made the cut, no shannon, finnian in the half back line, rest of team as surmised by most posters
at club meeting tonite we are a senior club and only received 3 family tickets all AA. so much for 10,000 family tickets ???
Although I think the prices are ok the gaa should be doing more for families, family tickets should be available to all and not just a select few in each club. Whats the interest been like in clubs for the game? Will Armaghs traditionally large support fall with all the negative talk about the team going around?
Yes, I was thinking about McCullagh a while ago. There's nothing really to suggest he won't start him given his importance to the side last year but for some reason he's not making most punters' starting 15.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on May 26, 2009, 10:33:55 PM
Although I think the prices are ok the gaa should be doing more for families, family tickets should be available to all and not just a select few in each club. Whats the interest been like in clubs for the game? Will Armaghs traditionally large support fall with all the negative talk about the team going around?
Couldn't see the numbers attending drop to be honest.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 26, 2009, 03:31:57 PM
Jeepers Rois that seems a way out of your way altogether.
I'd expect the Monaghan to Clones road to be busy then eh?
I'm bound for Dublin afterwards so wanna park on either the Ballybay or Coothill road for quick getaway.
Do any of the Armagh lads know how busy that Newtonhamilton to Ballybay road gets on match days?
When Tyrone and Armagh play I almost always go the motorway then Lisnaskea and Newtownbutler(best way to save time by avoiding traffic even though it's an extra few miles). If I was going on to Dublin I would have thought Newtownbutler Cavan would be the best roads and guaraunteed to be quiet traffic wise.
Quote from: ONeill on May 26, 2009, 10:36:59 PM
Yes, I was thinking about McCullagh a while ago. There's nothing really to suggest he won't start him given his importance to the side last year but for some reason he's not making most punters' starting 15.
For some reason I cant see him starting. I think Penrose's display down in Mayo may have even put him ahead of McCullagh in the pecking order. If O'Neill is fit cant see Penrose starting either. Thought McCullagh had a very quiet league campaign and has had injury problems in recent weeks. Looking forward to seeing the team named on Thursday night, going to be interesting.
I think Penrose will start regardless of Mc Cullagh or O'Neill. MH won't take a chance on his NFL form deserting him for the Championship by his being left on the bench at this stage, methinks.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on May 26, 2009, 10:56:49 PM
Looking forward to seeing the team named on Thursday night, going to be interesting.
Are you heading to the Glenavon TD? Anyone else going? It'll be an interesting eve.
Quote from: Rois on May 26, 2009, 11:29:19 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on May 26, 2009, 10:56:49 PM
Looking forward to seeing the team named on Thursday night, going to be interesting.
Are you heading to the Glenavon TD? Anyone else going? It'll be an interesting eve.
What time is throw in on Thurs, Rois - lost the letter.
Drinks reception starts at 7.30 for dinner at 8, then into the main event.
Quote from: Rois on May 27, 2009, 09:06:18 AM
Drinks reception starts at 7.30 for dinner at 8, then into the main event.
The Champions League Final? ;) :D ;D
Quote from: wherefromreferee? on May 27, 2009, 09:34:12 AM
Quote from: Rois on May 27, 2009, 09:06:18 AM
Drinks reception starts at 7.30 for dinner at 8, then into the main event.
The Champions League Final? ;) :D ;D
Think that's tonight
That'll teach me to read the preceeding posts :-[
:D
Sorry - I had to
2000 - Armagh (ucqf)
2001 - Tyrone (ucqf)
2002 - Draw / Armagh win replay (ucqf)
2003 - Tyrone (AIF)
2005 - draw / Armagh win replay (UF) / Tyrone win (AISF)
Draws 2: Armagh 3; Tyrone 3.
Looks like winner takes all on Sunday. Whos do we need to watch out for on Sunday in minors.
rumour mill in full flow of course but the latest bar talk tea is....
Hearty
Mallon Donaghy Moriarty
Kernan McKeever O'Rourke
Toner Lavery
Duffy O'Rourke Mallon
McDonnell Clarke T Kernan
Quote from: The GAA on May 27, 2009, 11:01:09 AM
rumour mill in full flow of course but the latest bar talk tea is....
Hearty
Mallon Donaghy Moriarty
Kernan McKeever O'Rourke
Toner Lavery
Duffy O'Rourke Mallon
McDonnell Clarke T Kernan
If we play that team, we will lose.
I'm not sure there's any team we could play and win....
The Devine One
Conor Gormley Justin McMahon Martin 'Rooney' Swift
David Harte Ryan McMenamin Phillip Jordan
Kevin Hughes Enda McGinely
Brian Dooher Tommy McGuigan Joseph McMahon
Steven O'Neill Sean Cavanagh
Owen Mulligan
Tyrone have a serious lot of injuries.
And according to the IN yesterday Armagh players after the flu are struggling to regain their fitness and their weight !!!!!!
Disaster for both teams.
Joe McMahon's form hasn't been that great for the club, so wouldn't be surprised to see Martin Penrose start in his place.
I think you mightn't be far wrong there longball although Penrose could pip Mugsy
I've a feeling he might start Stevie alright but might leave Dooher to come on if needs be.
I was worried about Justy at full back this time last year but he turned in a great season.
I thought he had a shaky enough National League though
Funny how we've all seemed to accept Hub back into MF.
I hope he keeps his head and doesnt do a Fergal Doc as they know he can have a short fuse.
Regarding the route I think I'll go down the main Belfast to Newry road and then head towards carrickmacross & Use the back roads around Ballybay
Going very Lisnakea from Belfast seems to be going past Clones and then coming back in from the west & then I'd have to get to the south road of Clones to get away for Dublin.
I see there's a place called Annaghbrack just south west of Monaghan town. Tempted to go through that to see is it like our own Aughabrack.
With the earlier Minor match I presume the roads will be busy quite early on.
Right Fuzzman I want you to clock it on Sunday and report back.
FUZZ i too was worried about Justin this time last year and i thought he had a very poor league. BUT I feel come sunday he will start FB, whether he finshes here is up to him.
Hub is in great shape and I believe he deserves his chance in MF this sunday and lets be honest at the moment he is the best option we have. The only alternative is Sean at MF.
Cant see Colly McCullagh making it this year bit part role in my opinion.
Out of the 'new recruits' can only see Rooney and Sean O'Neill getting game time this year Cassidy would have as well but he will be out for a long spell.
I see Harte was saying in the IN today that McCullagh might not even make the Bench as he hasn't trained since the Coalisland game three weeks ago. He also reckons Dooher isn't fit for seventy minutes so he'll prob not start.
I reckon joey could be moved back into defence to help out with McDonald and Clarke. So I'll go for a
Penrose TMG Mellon
SON Cavanagh Mugsy
Was struggling with who to put at LHF but I see Mellon has been confirmed as Fit and avaliable for selection. Or what is the story with BMG? Would he be fit for 70 mins? If so put him at 11 and move tommy out wide.
Quote from: longball on May 27, 2009, 11:28:13 AM
The Devine One
Conor Gormley Justin McMahon Martin 'Rooney' Swift
David Harte Ryan McMenamin Phillip Jordan
Kevin Hughes Enda McGinely
Brian Dooher Tommy McGuigan Joseph McMahon
Steven O'Neill Sean Cavanagh Owen Mulligan
f**k we are in for some hammering, but sure it will take us out for the day,
Quote from: ONeill on May 26, 2009, 11:47:53 PM
Quote from: Rois on May 26, 2009, 11:29:19 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on May 26, 2009, 10:56:49 PM
Looking forward to seeing the team named on Thursday night, going to be interesting.
Are you heading to the Glenavon TD? Anyone else going? It'll be an interesting eve.
What time is throw in on Thurs, Rois - lost the letter.
forget that. get yourself along to this instead. Should be a great night and the champions league final is on before it in the hotel.
Fr Rock's back from the flames
Cookstown Fr Rock's GFC are currently holding a pre- championship chat night to help refurbish the club after the recent fire. On Wednesday May 27th the Greenvale Hotel will play host to a pre-championship chat night. Hosted by Paddy Hunter of Q101fm a star studded panel will preview the Ulster championship clash between Armagh and Tyrone a few days later. Guests include Armagh pundit Jarlath Burns, Derry legend Joe Brolly, Tyrone legend Frank McGuigan and leading pundit Paddy Heaney. It promises to be quite a night. The evening begins at 9:30pm and patrons can pay at the door. Admission is £10.
Quote from: supersarsfields on May 27, 2009, 12:02:25 PM
I see Harte was saying in the IN today that McCullagh might not even make the Bench as he hasn't trained since the Coalisland game three weeks ago. He also reckons Dooher isn't fit for seventy minutes so he'll prob not start.
I reckon joey could be moved back into defence to help out with McDonald and Clarke. So I'll go for a
Penrose TMG Mellon
SON Cavanagh Mugsy
Was struggling with who to put at LHF but I see Mellon has been confirmed as Fit and avaliable for selection. Or what is the story with BMG? Would he be fit for 70 mins? If so put him at 11 and move tommy out wide.
Id start Dooher. If he not fit for the full game then take him off, better that way than putting him on and him not being fit then having to take him off again. BUT in saying that when have we ever seen Brian Dooher not fit.
Cant see BMG being fit as he teaked a hamstring maybe a week or two too soon for him for a start but he will be on the bench.
Mellon is an interesting one. Thou Can See Joseph playing WHF coming out to helping the MF with Mulligan/Penrose whoevers in the corner coming out to play half forward leaving Oneill and Cavanagh up top on there own.
Just had another look Rois & I think I'm gonna go with the plan with M1 to Dungannon, then road to Aughnacloy
Then down the N2 Dublin Road til just before Monahgan as recommended my Mr Google Map
Its only 75 miles and reckons 1hr 404mins.
I'll probably end up going one of those wee back road then south of the the main CLones N54 road.
I'll time it and report back.
I'll be disappointed if Colm Cava gets a start as I think we've lots of better options.
I've yet to watch him have a good game for the county and through no fault of his own bar being Sean's wee brother, he always seems to attract a lot of physical attention.
Dooher hates sitting watching matches so I'll say he's been busting a gut to be fit in time.
Wonder will Jordan get a special welcome by the Armagh boys now that Peter Andre has moved on.
Quote from: Onion Bag on May 27, 2009, 12:11:20 PM
f**k we are in for some hammering, but sure it will take us out for the day,
Ah here, sure what's the point in even bothering to go.
Anyone want to swap a McGrane ticket for a bottle of Bucky and a burger?
Dont know if i has been mentioned yet, probably has but,
How much are the tickets for the various stands? havent got mine yet
Quote from: Donagh on May 27, 2009, 12:24:26 PM
Quote from: Onion Bag on May 27, 2009, 12:11:20 PM
f**k we are in for some hammering, but sure it will take us out for the day,
Ah here, sure what's the point in even bothering to go.
Anyone want to swap a McGrane ticket for a bottle of Bucky and a burger?
Nah, a cup of tae, a Ham Sandwich and a cream Bun ;)
Quote from: Onion Bag on May 27, 2009, 12:24:37 PM
Dont know if i has been mentioned yet, probably has but,
How much are the tickets for the various stands? havent got mine yet
£13 and £20.
Quote from: longball on May 27, 2009, 12:16:16 PM
Quote from: supersarsfields on May 27, 2009, 12:02:25 PM
I see Harte was saying in the IN today that McCullagh might not even make the Bench as he hasn't trained since the Coalisland game three weeks ago. He also reckons Dooher isn't fit for seventy minutes so he'll prob not start.
I reckon joey could be moved back into defence to help out with McDonald and Clarke. So I'll go for a
Penrose TMG Mellon
SON Cavanagh Mugsy
Was struggling with who to put at LHF but I see Mellon has been confirmed as Fit and avaliable for selection. Or what is the story with BMG? Would he be fit for 70 mins? If so put him at 11 and move tommy out wide.
Id start Dooher. If he not fit for the full game then take him off, better that way than putting him on and him not being fit then having to take him off again. BUT in saying that when have we ever seen Brian Dooher not fit.
Cant see BMG being fit as he teaked a hamstring maybe a week or two too soon for him for a start but he will be on the bench.
Mellon is an interesting one. Thou Can See Joseph playing WHF coming out to helping the MF with Mulligan/Penrose whoevers in the corner coming out to play half forward leaving Oneill and Cavanagh up top on there own.
Don't think Dooher will start TBH. Mickey was saying in the IN today that he'd prefer to finish with his strongest side rather than start with it. So i'd imagine he'll look to bring Dooher on in the second half to raise the tempo a bit.
Quote from: Onion Bag on May 27, 2009, 12:24:37 PM
Dont know if i has been mentioned yet, probably has but,
How much are the tickets for the various stands? havent got mine yet
paid €13 for a ticket for The Hill this morning on Ticketmaster. i am assuming this is the standing area above the Pat McGrane stand?
Quote from: supersarsfields on May 27, 2009, 12:28:32 PM
Quote from: longball on May 27, 2009, 12:16:16 PM
Quote from: supersarsfields on May 27, 2009, 12:02:25 PM
I see Harte was saying in the IN today that McCullagh might not even make the Bench as he hasn't trained since the Coalisland game three weeks ago. He also reckons Dooher isn't fit for seventy minutes so he'll prob not start.
I reckon joey could be moved back into defence to help out with McDonald and Clarke. So I'll go for a
Penrose TMG Mellon
SON Cavanagh Mugsy
Was struggling with who to put at LHF but I see Mellon has been confirmed as Fit and avaliable for selection. Or what is the story with BMG? Would he be fit for 70 mins? If so put him at 11 and move tommy out wide.
Id start Dooher. If he not fit for the full game then take him off, better that way than putting him on and him not being fit then having to take him off again. BUT in saying that when have we ever seen Brian Dooher not fit.
Cant see BMG being fit as he teaked a hamstring maybe a week or two too soon for him for a start but he will be on the bench.
Mellon is an interesting one. Thou Can See Joseph playing WHF coming out to helping the MF with Mulligan/Penrose whoevers in the corner coming out to play half forward leaving Oneill and Cavanagh up top on there own.
Don't think Dooher will start TBH. Mickey was saying in the IN today that he'd prefer to finish with his strongest side rather than start with it. So i'd imagine he'll look to bring Dooher on in the second half to raise the tempo a bit.
Can anyone post this?
Maybe he will leave Dooher and BMcG to come on late and give a lift or else see out the game. Really hope O'Neill starts.
My ticket is for seating behind the goals, this is where i always go in clones think it was £13.
Uptake of tickets in our club(Armagh Harps) was woeful, hardly shifting half of our 255, I hear the Ogs in Armagh shifted considerably less than us. I know Armagh has confirmaton on Sunday but even so this is very poor. Part of a general malaise? Poor anywhere else?
Quote from: longball on May 27, 2009, 12:32:27 PM
Quote from: supersarsfields on May 27, 2009, 12:28:32 PM
Quote from: longball on May 27, 2009, 12:16:16 PM
Quote from: supersarsfields on May 27, 2009, 12:02:25 PM
I see Harte was saying in the IN today that McCullagh might not even make the Bench as he hasn't trained since the Coalisland game three weeks ago. He also reckons Dooher isn't fit for seventy minutes so he'll prob not start.
I reckon joey could be moved back into defence to help out with McDonald and Clarke. So I'll go for a
Penrose TMG Mellon
SON Cavanagh Mugsy
Was struggling with who to put at LHF but I see Mellon has been confirmed as Fit and avaliable for selection. Or what is the story with BMG? Would he be fit for 70 mins? If so put him at 11 and move tommy out wide.
Id start Dooher. If he not fit for the full game then take him off, better that way than putting him on and him not being fit then having to take him off again. BUT in saying that when have we ever seen Brian Dooher not fit.
Cant see BMG being fit as he teaked a hamstring maybe a week or two too soon for him for a start but he will be on the bench.
Mellon is an interesting one. Thou Can See Joseph playing WHF coming out to helping the MF with Mulligan/Penrose whoevers in the corner coming out to play half forward leaving Oneill and Cavanagh up top on there own.
Don't think Dooher will start TBH. Mickey was saying in the IN today that he'd prefer to finish with his strongest side rather than start with it. So i'd imagine he'll look to bring Dooher on in the second half to raise the tempo a bit.
Can anyone post this?
Maybe he will leave Dooher and BMcG to come on late and give a lift or else see out the game. Really hope O'Neill starts.
My ticket is for seating behind the goals, this is where i always go in clones think it was £13.
Sorry LB I was using the old fashioned paper one!!
From today's Irish News:
Harte hints Dooher may not be fit to start
By Paddy Heaney
Tyrone manager Mickey Harte has given a strong indication that team captain Brian Dooher will not start in Sunday's derby clash against Armagh in Clones.
While Harte confirmed that Dooher performed very well in a recent bleep test (a stamina-based running exercise), he stressed that his skipper was still short of match fitness. On the subject of Dooher's performance in the bleep test, Harte said: "He is fit to do things like that. But running, and fitness, and training, are one thing. Match fitness is another thing, and you can only get that from game time. "People can be very fit, and they can do lots of things in the gym, but going out to play on the pitch is a different story. You meet obstacles and challenges that you wouldn't meet on a treadmill."
Dooher hasn't played for his county all year and Harte has a track record of not picking players if he doesn't feel they can play for the entire game. Instead, he has a tendency to finish the game with his strongest hand. Regarding the dilemma facing him over Dooher, Harte hinted that his All-Ireland-winning captain might finish the game, but not start it.
Referring to last year's All-Ireland final when he brought Brian McGuigan on for the last quarter, he said: "It's the same question we were faced with Brian McGuigan last year. If there isn't 70 minutes in him, then you have to decide which minutes you want him to play.
"Those are the choices you have to make and I think it would be fair to say that there isn't 70 minutes of Championship football in Brian Dooher at this minute in time."
Harte was more ambiguous when he was asked about Stephen O'Neill's chances of starting against the Orchard county. O'Neill hasn't featured for Tyrone since the opening League game against Dublin in Croke Park, a game in which he scored six points from play. And Harte evidently would like O'Neill to start and is waiting until that last possible moment before making a decision on the former Footballer of the Year.
"He is not totally pain free when he plays for a length of time and it hasn't cleared up to the extent that it doesn't exist any more for him.
"It's not enough to keep him out of football altogether which is the good thing about it.
"He finished the Dublin game with that injury, but the adrenaline was flowing and he was in such good form and he probably just played on," said Harte.
The Red Hand boss also confirmed that Brian McGuigan felt his hamstring tighten during a training session on Saturday, though he insisted that it wasn't too serious. "He tweaked it a bit. He didn't pull it but it still caused him some concern. He pulled out of one of the sessions," he said.
While Dooher, O'Neill and McGuigan are all expected to feature at some stage during the game, Harte confirmed that Colm McCullagh (above) is unlikely to play any part. "Colm McCullagh hasn't trained since the Championship match with Coalisland (three weeks ago).
"He is definitely not starting material and I don't know if he will be fit to make the bench.
"Up to last weekend, he wasn't training with us," said Harte.
The Tyrone manager also confirmed that Ryan Mellon (ankle) and Enda McGinley (broken fingers) are both available for selection for Sunday's clash.
The Tyrone team will be announced tomorrow night.
Quote from: bennydorano on May 27, 2009, 12:33:39 PM
Uptake of tickets in our club(Armagh Harps) was woeful, hardly shifting half of our 255, I hear the Ogs in Armagh shifted considerably less than us. I know Armagh has confirmaton on Sunday but even so this is very poor. Part of a general malaise? Poor anywhere else?
Clans looked like there were about 100 left over last night. Got some seated tickets from the Tones as well and I think they've gotten rid of most of theirs - dunno how may they received though.
Quote from: stpauls on May 27, 2009, 12:29:06 PM
paid €13 for a ticket for The Hill this morning on Ticketmaster. i am assuming this is the standing area above the Pat McGrane stand?
That's correct stpauls.
its ok!
FEAR to the rescue!I just wanta take this time to say that over the past few weeks everytime i have asked for an article to be posted no matter on what thread Fear on Srath Ban has always come up with the goods. A big thanks must go out to this man who without I would not be able to spend my work time reading this articles.
Once again:
Thanks
Agreed Longball
He's faster now that Aertel.
I thought this would have been a sell out, by the sounds of it there will be a small crowd at it, maybe 20,000, had this been 5-6 years ago, tickets would have been like Hens teeth,
Maybe its just the gulf between the 2 teams has widened and everyone knows the way it is going to go,
Quote from: Onion Bag on May 27, 2009, 12:48:26 PM
I thought this would have been a sell out, by the sounds of it there will be a small crowd at it, maybe 20,000, had this been 5-6 years ago, tickets would have been like Hens teeth,
Maybe its just the gulf between the 2 teams has widened and everyone knows the way it is going to go,
Armagh v Down nearly sold out last year. Hard to believe there'd be fewer at this game.
Take up poor in Dromintee I believe, but not sure. There will be 27/28 k there, a good crowd.
Lads a question, which is more central in the McGrane stand - section E or F?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 27, 2009, 12:39:22 PM
Quote from: stpauls on May 27, 2009, 12:29:06 PM
paid €13 for a ticket for The Hill this morning on Ticketmaster. i am assuming this is the standing area above the Pat McGrane stand?
That's correct stpauls.
cheers Fear, the usual place for us then!! didn't know what it was officially called, always just turned up on the day and paid at the gate!!
Quote from: corn02 on May 27, 2009, 12:55:10 PM
Take up poor in Dromintee I believe, but not sure. There will be 27/28 k there, a good crowd.
Lads a question, which is more central in the McGrane stand - section E or F?
I'll be surprised if there's 27/28k there.
I think we'll be lucky to get 20k.
Thats what i reckon Orangeman, 20K would be about right
The last time Dooher played when not fit was when he lined out against Meath 2 years ago. He is that important to us, but that was a mistake and a major reason why we got thumped that day. Not the only reason of course, but he played a considerable chunk of that game without sniffing the leather. So I would air on the side of caution. Keep him on the bench. Penfold won't let us down
Quote from: orangeman on May 27, 2009, 01:25:07 PM
Quote from: corn02 on May 27, 2009, 12:55:10 PM
Take up poor in Dromintee I believe, but not sure. There will be 27/28 k there, a good crowd.
Lads a question, which is more central in the McGrane stand - section E or F?
I'll be surprised if there's 27/28k there.
I think we'll be lucky to get 20k.
Meh, I reckon they'll easily hit 25k, don't suppose anyone has a Clone section plan?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 27, 2009, 01:37:10 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 27, 2009, 12:47:09 PM
Agreed Longball
You're welcome lads ;)
Noel Doran is on the prowl for you though as you are driving down circulation figures!
Quote from: corn02 on May 27, 2009, 01:33:30 PM
Quote from: orangeman on May 27, 2009, 01:25:07 PM
Quote from: corn02 on May 27, 2009, 12:55:10 PM
Take up poor in Dromintee I believe, but not sure. There will be 27/28 k there, a good crowd.
Lads a question, which is more central in the McGrane stand - section E or F?
I'll be surprised if there's 27/28k there.
I think we'll be lucky to get 20k.
Meh, I reckon they'll easily hit 25k, don't suppose anyone has a Clone section plan?
Had one Corn, trying to find the bastard this past half hour, if i get it i will post it,
Quote from: The GAA on May 27, 2009, 11:01:09 AM
rumour mill in full flow of course but the latest bar talk tea is....
Hearty
Mallon Donaghy Moriarty
Kernan McKeever O'Rourke
Toner Lavery
Duffy O'Rourke Mallon
McDonnell Clarke T Kernan
i heard pkernan in the corner, within finnian in the half backs and pkernan to shadow cavanagh( no AOR), mc kenna instaed of lavery but the rest the same
Quote from: Doogie Browser on May 27, 2009, 01:38:55 PM
Noel Doran is on the prowl for you though as you are driving down circulation figures!
Maybe if he was a bit more circular in his circulation we could avoid this circumlocution?
That would probably make more sense NAKA, AOR wont have the speed and mobility for the tyrone forwards, there cant be any passengers, Tyrone will throw the kitchen sink at us from the word go
Quote from: Onion Bag on May 27, 2009, 01:43:03 PM
Quote from: corn02 on May 27, 2009, 01:33:30 PM
Quote from: orangeman on May 27, 2009, 01:25:07 PM
Quote from: corn02 on May 27, 2009, 12:55:10 PM
Take up poor in Dromintee I believe, but not sure. There will be 27/28 k there, a good crowd.
Lads a question, which is more central in the McGrane stand - section E or F?
I'll be surprised if there's 27/28k there.
I think we'll be lucky to get 20k.
Meh, I reckon they'll easily hit 25k, don't suppose anyone has a Clone section plan?
Had one Corn, trying to find the b**tard this past half hour, if i get it i will post it,
Cheers OB, seems elusive alright.
1.Hearty
2.mallon
3.donaghy
4.p.kernan
5.A.Kernan
6.C Mckeever
7.F Moriarity
8.mckenna
9.K Toner
10.Martin o rourke
11.B Mallon
12.P Duffy
13.mcdonnell
14.Clarke
15.T Kernan
This has been the line up doing the rounds in Armagh. Nippy back line with Finnian moved out to the half line for his ball carrying ability. P Kernan to man mark a certain dangerman. Duffy a major surprise, with T Kernan in for free taking expertise.
Have faith!
PS Onion Bag you are one pessimistic so & so lol!!
Quote from: eireogatron on May 27, 2009, 02:58:19 PM
1.Hearty
2.mallon
3.donaghy
4.p.kernan
5.A.Kernan
6.C Mckeever
7.F Moriarity
8.mckenna
9.K Toner
10.Martin o rourke
11.B Mallon
12.P Duffy
13.mcdonnell
14.Clarke
15.T Kernan
This has been the line up doing the rounds in Armagh. Nippy back line with Finnian moved out to the half line for his ball carrying ability. P Kernan to man mark a certain dangerman. Duffy a major surprise, with T Kernan in for free taking expertise.
Have faith!
PS Onion Bag you are one pessimistic so & so lol!!
P. Kernan on Cavanagh is very scray, but you never know it could be the making of him and I hope, if true, ho does a good job.
Bringing Finn Mo out to half-back is not the option, Shannon is a much better ball carrier, I don't like this 'get him out of the firing line, but keep him there' approach. People will point to his two goals, but he'll not get that chance on Sunday.
Would have rathered SK at 11 and Mallon on the wing.
We shall see.
finn Mo, although unimpressive thus far in the corner in 09, actually played good stuff on the wing. He's more of a threat than Shannon - who I think looks like he's running in quicksand at times - and is a far better option in this position, especially with his big game experience, and he has played the position for club and underage as well. Shannon is unlucky to miss out in CornerBack if this is the team but tactics and all that!
corn i actually fancy kernan to do alright on cavanagh, whilst our team is young we are experienced , AK,PK,TK,mckenna, all played in all ireland finals( albeit club).2x mallon, mc keever u21 all irelands, , Toner and, Donaghy last years ulster final, my only worry is lack of scores in the half forward line,
KEEP THE FAITH ARMAGH BY 2
1.P Hearty
2.B mallon
3.B donkey
4.P.kernan
5.A.Kernan
6.C Mckeever
7.F Moriarity
8.D mckenna
9.K Toner
10.Mairtin o rourke
11.S Kernan
12.S Mc Donnell
13.R Clarke
14.J Kernan
15.T Kernan
To be honest we need to get the ball into the FF line and use the outlets either side of big Joe to get the scores. Backline has to be strong on the ball especially in the corners, need a big game outta Brian and Paul.
Heres hoping Tyrone stumble at the first block.
Armagh Maybe For Sam. Definitely for Ulster Though
Didnt P Kernan mark the Gooch in the Club AI a while back & I seem to remember he done well on him
Wouldnt have any fears with Kernan
Can anyone give us some backgorund on P Kernan as I can't picture him?
Where does he play for Cross?
Is he tall, strong, fast better than Francie?
I detect a bit more optimism from ye Orchard munchers which is welcome as ye were doing my head in this week whinging away there.
I hope its an exciting match anyway as we need a decent match to liven the championship up a bit
Tyrone are usually slow starters each year and remember last year we got off to a flying start with 2.05 on the board after 20 mins but then it all fell apart.
Will be interesting to see does McEnaney lay down the law early with a yellow card.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 27, 2009, 04:55:10 PM
I detect a bit more optimism from ye Orchard munchers which is welcome as ye were doing my head in this week whinging away there.
Ach, sure we are just happy to be on the pitch with the AI Champions
If we stay within 10 points we will consider it a good day
Quote from: full back on May 27, 2009, 04:58:39 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 27, 2009, 04:55:10 PM
I detect a bit more optimism from ye Orchard munchers which is welcome as ye were doing my head in this week whinging away there.
Ach, sure we are just happy to be on the pitch with the AI Champions
If we stay within 10 points we will consider it a good day
agreed full back we armagh buckfast boys are just happy to be allowed to be in such exalted company as the undoubted team of the decade
With all the focus on the players and management this week, who is fit or struggling, who will be in the starting 15, what tatics will management deploy etc. Personnally I would love to know what way a ref perpares for a big game. Do they put in extra sessions in the gym to ensure their fitness is up to scratch? Is he picking up a couple of local games in the past few weeks to ensure that his match sharpness is up to code?
What is going through Pat McEnaneys head this week? Will the Derry Monaghan game last week have any influence on the way Pat addresses or approaches the forthcoming Ulster match? As mentioned earlier would Pat be thinking 'first sign of trouble i'm gonna have to book someone'. Will he be meeting with his linesmen and umpires and instructing this is what I need you to look out for.
IMO a ref will be going into a game like this as focused, nervous and ready as any player, at the end of the day 9 outa 10 times the ref can be the talking point!
Paul Kernan played full back for cross this year in the AI club final, he's a tall lad bout 6"2 and very strong, he marked gooch in the 2007 AI ireland club done well on him, marked conleith gilligan of Ballinderry in that years ulster club final,dont think he scored from play off him but Sean Cavanagh is a toally different kettle of fish, he'll go down easier than wee gooch, he'll cry about everything and might be a wee bit too shrude for paul, if it did come down to a one on one battle, fair and hard i think paul would do well on him.
Quote from: 3000 miles away on May 27, 2009, 05:05:43 PM
Sean Cavanagh is a toally different kettle of fish, he'll go down easier than wee gooch, he'll cry about everything
:o
Beat me to it Full back
Why does Gooch not go down easy?
Yuk,dont wanna think about that!
QuoteCan anyone give us some backgorund on P Kernan as I can't picture him?
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45297000/jpg/_45297113_pgpaulkernancele.jpg)
I think it fair to say that Paul is a bit more heavily built than his brothers.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 27, 2009, 05:19:22 PM
I think it fair to say that Paul is a bit more heavily built than his brothers.
bit more of the "da" about him
Nothing better than the smell of Buckfast blood in the nostrils.
or the waft of incest coming from across the blackwater
Quote from: full back on May 27, 2009, 04:58:39 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 27, 2009, 04:55:10 PM
I detect a bit more optimism from ye Orchard munchers which is welcome as ye were doing my head in this week whinging away there.
Ach, sure we are just happy to be on the pitch with the AI Champions
If we stay within 10 points we will consider it a good day
Much be agreed policy in Armagh to play down the chances of success on Sunday.
Even Jarlath was at it last Sunday!!
Quote from: fitzroyalty on May 27, 2009, 06:12:28 PM
or the waft of incest coming from across the blackwater
Nah, Derry played last week
Nice measured comment there EB, shall we include Malachy too for reasons of parity?
wat o'rourke's are you on about?
Quote from: eireogatron on May 27, 2009, 03:43:46 PM
finn Mo, although unimpressive thus far in the corner in 09, actually played good stuff on the wing. He's more of a threat than Shannon - who I think looks like he's running in quicksand at times - and is a far better option in this position,
Can't agree with that to be honest. Shannon is a better half back than corner back and has been superb in that role for Driomintee winning club player of the year a few years back when Cross won the Championship.
So, no, I disagree that he is a "far better option", i don;t even think he is a better option, but then again I have only seen a bit of Finn in half back so I can;'t be sure while you seem to have made your mind up without seeing Shannon in half back.
Quote from: naka on May 27, 2009, 03:47:47 PM
corn i actually fancy kernan to do alright on cavanagh, whilst our team is young we are experienced , AK,PK,TK,mckenna, all played in all ireland finals( albeit club).2x mallon, mc keever u21 all irelands, , Toner and, Donaghy last years ulster final, my only worry is lack of scores in the half forward line,
KEEP THE FAITH ARMAGH BY 2
Hopefully, if he starts, he will do well on him. But to mark Cavanagh on your Champ starting debut is a massive ask of any player.
I agree about the half forward line,, it is why I would love to see SK in there, see how it goes anyway.
Anyonecome up with an answer for which block is more central, E or F? Can;t find a chart anywhere.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 27, 2009, 05:12:37 PM
Beat me to it Full back
Why does Gooch not go down easy?
Yuk,dont wanna think about that!
Downgirl has just went weak at the knees with the thought of another ginger going down...threesome of the year Downgirl, Benny & Gooch...lol
Quote from: illdecide on May 27, 2009, 11:17:33 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 27, 2009, 05:12:37 PM
Beat me to it Full back
Why does Gooch not go down easy?
Yuk,dont wanna think about that!
Downgirl has just went weak at the knees with the thought of another ginger going down...threesome of the year Downgirl, Benny & Gooch...lol
You're a sick, sick man.
Pessimism setting in big time FoSB
2006:
Tyrone were defending All-Ireland champions. They had beaten Kerry in their previous Championship game. O'Neill was an injury doubt. I couldn't attend the game because my wife has just come home from hospital an hour earlier with our newborn twins. Barcelona had just beaten an English team in the CL final. Derry won.
2009.
Tyrone were defending All-Ireland champions. They had beaten Kerry in their previous Championship game. O'Neill was an injury doubt. I couldn't attend the game because I was standing for a twin 2 hours before throw-in. Barcelona had just beaten an English team in the CL final.
Nerves are setting in big time. Really looking forward to it now, whatever happens I will still be supporting Armagh afterwards
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on May 27, 2009, 11:41:18 PM
whatever happens I will still be supporting Armagh afterwards
What kind of shittalk is that? Was there a chance that you wouldn't be? This ain't soccer you know. And spell Armagh correctly.
Quote from: ONeill on May 27, 2009, 11:39:20 PM
Pessimism setting in big time FoSB
2006:
Tyrone were defending All-Ireland champions. They had beaten Kerry in their previous Championship game. O'Neill was an injury doubt. I couldn't attend the game because my wife has just come home from hospital an hour earlier with our newborn twins. Barcelona had just beaten an English team in the CL final. Derry won.
2009.
Tyrone were defending All-Ireland champions. They had beaten Kerry in their previous Championship game. O'Neill was an injury doubt. I couldn't attend the game because I was standing for a twin 2 hours before throw-in. Barcelona had just beaten an English team in the CL final.
Great, so glad to hear it Shane; keep digging away at that negativity (and I won't mention that 2006 was Omagh, this is Clones, or that that was Derry and this is Armagh, and I won't mention that, as we all know, Championship form of the previous year has no relevance at all, and I certainly won't mention that we were coming off the back of an equally underwhelming NFL campaign in either of 2005 or 2008, and definitely not that, despite O'Neill, our collective team health is ruder than it has been for some very considerable time, since way before 2006. Promise I won't).
Don't know why, but I'm very hopeful!
This is an improtant game, but it won;t impact on either side regardless of the result.
Armagh may suit the qualifers better this year while Tyrone are as capable to go through either route.
The expected defeat will not be gutting.
Get the excuses in early.
Lets face it !! It doesn't matter who you are, or how you do in your provincial.
If you can manage to get to the All Ireland Quarter Finals by back door or front, you are in with a chance of Sam.
Thats when the hunt for Sam begins.
If Tyrone lose on Sunday, I ll be disappointed but not disheartened.
It's all about Sam !!!
Its a trap!
Quote from: corn02 on May 27, 2009, 10:27:18 PM
Quote from: eireogatron on May 27, 2009, 03:43:46 PM
finn Mo, although unimpressive thus far in the corner in 09, actually played good stuff on the wing. He's more of a threat than Shannon - who I think looks like he's running in quicksand at times - and is a far better option in this position,
Can't agree with that to be honest. Shannon is a better half back than corner back and has been superb in that role for Driomintee winning club player of the year a few years back when Cross won the Championship.
So, no, I disagree that he is a "far better option", i don;t even think he is a better option, but then again I have only seen a bit of Finn in half back so I can;'t be sure while you seem to have made your mind up without seeing Shannon in half back.
no need to take it so personally mate, are you Barry Shannon? ??? ;D
Everyone will have a different line out. Finnian has played in big time championship games before, and to my mind has never let us down in championship football. This could swing it in his favour. However, if Shannon was to pick up the jersey he would of course get the full support he deserves.
Ard Mhacha Abú
Quote from: ONeill on May 27, 2009, 11:43:44 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on May 27, 2009, 11:41:18 PM
whatever happens I will still be supporting Armagh afterwards
What kind of shittalk is that? Was there a chance that you wouldn't be? This ain't soccer you know. And spell Armagh correctly.
what do you mean "spell Armagh correctly"??? He has spelt it correctly in both English and Irish there...
I wouldn't be a moriarty fan at all. he was badly exposed against wexford last year - which was the only championship game he actually played in the full back line.
i don't buy the paul kernan rumours either - he's a long way from the team from what i hear.
Cavanagh calls on referees to be stricter
By Paul Keane - Thursday, May 28, 2009 Irish Examiner
FOOTBALLER of the Year Sean Cavanagh believes referees must act faster and earlier if they're to rid the championship of cynical fouling.
The Tyrone full-forward accepts his side's Ulster SFC clash with Armagh on Sunday will be the subject of close scrutiny. That's a result of last weekend's stormy Ulster tie between Derry and Monaghan which saw one player red carded and 11 yellows dished out.
Cavanagh refused to criticise the players whom, he claims, will always try to get away with as much as possible. Rather he says it's up to referees to be more decisive and to lay down the law in the early stages of games.
"Maybe if referees took a bit more authority and forget about old rules and new rules and concentrate on implementing the rules we might be able to play good, free flowing football," said Cavanagh.
"You don't mind taking the hits as long as they are within the rules.
"But when players are getting away with pulling and dragging away from the ball and scuffles at every opportunity then referees, linesmen and umpires have to deal with it accordingly.
"I don't think it's a point of new rules versus old rules; it's a point of playing within the rules and having them properly enforced."
Tyrone have yet to name their team for the Armagh game but Cavanagh said Brian McGuigan, Brian Dooher and Stephen O'Neill are all fit and available to play after injuries.
Meanwhile, veteran Ciaran Whelan has revealed it was his disastrous 2008 season that convinced him to return with Dublin this year.
The midfield colossus, 31, missed the majority of last year's league as he was firstly rested and then picked up an eight-week ban.
That ruled him out of their Leinster championship opener with Louth and in all he only made two summer starts against Wexford and Tyrone.
So while many expected the experienced Raheny man to retire when manager Paul Caffrey quit he had unfinished personal business to attend to.
"Things backfired on me last year. I got an eight week suspension, missed the first championship game and didn't start a game until the Leinster final," said Whelan.
"Then we were beaten by Tyrone so technically I only played two 70 minutes last year and it almost felt like I missed the year.
"I kind of just wanted to come back and get more game time under my belt this year.
"I think that (was why I came back) and obviously the manner of the championship exit last year."
This story appeared in the printed version of the Irish Examiner Thursday, May 28, 2009
Read more: http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/cavanagh-calls-on-referees-to-be-stricter-92849.html#ixzz0GnCIAi24&B
And there's More, Shut that door!
Ulster hunger still burns for McKeever
By Brendan O'Brien
Thursday, May 28, 2009
THEY have been judged by their failure to win more than one All-Ireland as much as they have their phenomenal record in Ulster but Armagh captain Ciaran McKeever is adamant that the thirst for provincial honours has not been quenched.
Armagh's dominance of the Anglo-Celt Cup has been such that they have claimed it seven times in the last 10 attempts but the county's inability to replicate that form on the wider stage rankles.
Armagh have appeared at Croke Park in August on all but one occasion since their single All-Ireland triumph in 2002 but they have fallen to sides as diverse as Tyrone and Kerry on the one hand and Fermanagh and Wexford on the other.
They begin their latest provincial campaign on Sunday against a Tyrone side whose form has been at times their mirror image – vulnerable in Ulster, reborn outside it.
"Any given year there are only 30 Ulster medals given out," said McKeever. "You want to be in the shake-up. You want to be standing at the top of Clones or Croke Park getting your Ulster medal, so Ulster means a lot to us."
Their almost Jekyll and Hyde performances on opposite sides of the provincial boundaries have led to a growing body of opinion that their exertions within the nine counties have done them no favours.
Their defeats to Fermanagh and Wexford would appear to back that up. Armagh were victorious in Ulster on both occasions and yet slumped to unexpected defeats against unrated opposition in both All-Ireland quarter-finals.
"Everybody knows Ulster is a minefield and it's one of the toughest provinces to come out of. Last year we came to Croke Park and felt we let ourselves down so it's just a case of trying to get yourself across that gap."
It won't be easy. Paul McGrane, Francie Bellew and Paddy McKeever all called time on their inter-county days last year. Others like Kieran McGeeney and Oisin McConville had already used the exit door this last two years.
Claiming the Ulster title with the team in transition last year was a wonderful, if largely forgotten achievement by Peter McDonnell but the Armagh manager faces an even greater challenge second time around.
"Every year's a big year," said McKeever. "They were always the men that were dragging you along when the going got tough. It's up to us to put our backs to the wheel and stand up and be counted.
"They didn't accept second best. Anything you'd do you had do it to the best of your ability, don't leave anything on the training field. Empty the tank every day you put on that Armagh jersey."
The next generation seems to be coping adequately rather than spectacularly thus far. The league finished with them occupying mid-table in Division Two after a spring balanced by four wins and three defeats.
Promotion was a possibility, if an outside one, until the very last day but a seven-point defeat in Cork – their worst of the competition by far – left them with much to reflect on ahead of the championship.
"Our aim at the beginning of the league was to get promoted and we didn't achieve that. We had players out injured and were missing the Crossmaglen contingent but at the end of the day you have to take the positives out of that.
"There were a couple of young boys there that had been on the fringes of the panel and they got national league time and they produced the goods so it's only good for Armagh."
As this year's captain, the onus is on McKeever and the ever dwindling bunch of 'vets' to hurry along the transition, to take the lead on the pitch and in training and bring the younger members along with them.
"Everybody is telling me I've big shoes to fill. I've been lucky to have been with Armagh for this past four or five years and I've learned from them. I can just take the positives from them, see can I take anything from my own game and just get on with it.
"I've 30 players around me and they're all leaders. They're easy men to work it."
He reiterates that last point later on. Armagh, he said, are "littered" with leaders. They will have to be.
Starting on Sunday.
Read more: http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/ulster-hunger-still-burns-for-mckeever-92846.html#ixzz0GnCfIvDo&B
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 28, 2009, 10:38:53 AM
But when players are getting away with pulling and dragging away from the ball and scuffles at every opportunity then referees, linesmen and umpires have to deal with it accordingly.
Spot on
Quote from: full back on May 28, 2009, 10:44:00 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 28, 2009, 10:38:53 AM
But when players are getting away with pulling and dragging away from the ball and scuffles at every opportunity then referees, linesmen and umpires have to deal with it accordingly.
Spot on
Totally agree.
That incident last Sunday when 4 or 5 players were involved in the goalmouth scuffle when play was at the other side of the pitch was carried out right in front of the umpires who did absolutely nothing about it.
I've been harping on about this for some time.
I think Refs need to become little Hitlers again & even take it to the extreme of visting each dressing room before the match and warning teams and management that no nonsense will be tolerated & he doesnt mind spoiling the match by sending off several players if they're not gonna behave themselves.
There needs to be a much clearer line of communication between linesmen,umpires & the ref & the Ref should be willing to send off players on the word of his assistants.
Sure while he's there why not play a game of rounders FFS what are ya all like. It's Gaelic football were playing, it's the championship and it's shite or get of the toilet time. Of course there's gonna be some rough and tumble, why not ask Ciaran McKeever to just give the ball to Sean Cavanagh..."there you go Sean old chap, take this ball and mind your step". It's meant to be a physical sport and i love seeing a guy getting a good hit as much as a good score it's part of our game. Most of the guys want protection for their best players and have them wrapped in cotton wool, roll your sleeves up and get stuck in.
I know people are going to jump in here feet first, I don't mean busting a guy and his two front teeth lying on the sod. I'm talking about hard hitting, hard tackling, defenders in the face of the attackers doing whatever necessary within the rules to stop their opponent getting the ball and if the guy is in your road of the ball then you take him, the ball and anything else in you way...Thats Championship football...No quarter asked and none given
Sorry lads I shouldn't have brought this into this thread.
Lets discuss this in the new rules thread and keep this to the match on Sunday
Tyrone v Armagh matches are nearly always hard & tough with huge intensity
Both tend to just get on with it so lets move on.
Just spoke to a very reliable source in the big smoke - the teams are already gone to the program and the named team is:
Quote from: eireogatron on May 27, 2009, 02:58:19 PM
1.Hearty
2.mallon
3.donaghy
4.p.kernan
5.A.Kernan
6.C Mckeever
7.F Moriarity
8.mckenna
9.K Toner
10.Martin o rourke
11.B Mallon
12.P Duffy
13.mcdonnell
14.Clarke
15.T Kernan
but the actual team will be:
Hearty
Mallon Donaghy Moriarty
Kernan McKeever O'Rourke
Toner Lavery
Duffy O'Rourke Mallon
McDonnell Clarke T Kernan
if you are right with Lavery and o rourke , i would be somewhat disappointed, I would be a little worried about AOR `s mobility and feel that lavery needs a year of good hard club football to get him back to the level that would see him pushing for a midfield place on the county
As i say i'm not a fan of moriarty but maybe he's showing well in training, so who knows. i'm led to believe o'rourke will be doing a job on dooher or McMahon, which i'd be happy with. i think we need him on the pitch. Again, i'm not a fan of lavery but what are the options? McKenna is allegedly injured. personally i'd be going for a footballer in there against tyrone rather than a fielder. tony kernan proved to be way off the standard from open play last year but we're a year down the line, so here's hoping again. a few unprovens with fingers crossed for them
There's another category of player we have in the team that alarms me - players with decent reputations who hve produced absolutely nothing in 2009. in that i would put Moriarty, brian malon and aaron kernan.
Quote from: The GAA on May 28, 2009, 01:00:52 PM
There's another category of player we have in the team that alarms me - players with decent reputations who hve produced absolutely nothing in 2009. in that i would put Moriarty, brian malon and aaron kernan.
Do you mean havent done anything in the League in 2009?
I do
Quote from: The GAA on May 28, 2009, 01:00:52 PM
As i say i'm not a fan of moriarty but maybe he's showing well in training, so who knows. i'm led to believe o'rourke will be doing a job on dooher or McMahon, which i'd be happy with. i think we need him on the pitch. Again, i'm not a fan of lavery but what are the options? McKenna is allegedly injured. personally i'd be going for a footballer in there against tyrone rather than a fielder. tony kernan proved to be way off the standard from open play last year but we're a year down the line, so here's hoping again. a few unprovens with fingers crossed for them
There's another category of player we have in the team that alarms me - players with decent reputations who hve produced absolutely nothing in 2009. in that i would put Moriarty, brian malon and aaron kernan.
maybe its just me but i wouldnt put aor on dooher (who by the way mightnt start) as AOR is a ball player not a marker, cmck will pick up SON, if you are right than donaghy on cavanagh ?
Predictions:
Armagh win Minors
Armagh to score fiirst 3 or 4 points and to lead by a couple at half time.
Draw at full time
Tyrone win in extra time thriller.
All meet up outside the hibernian sunburnt
Quote from: The GAA on May 28, 2009, 01:00:52 PM
As i say i'm not a fan of moriarty but maybe he's showing well in training, so who knows. i'm led to believe o'rourke will be doing a job on dooher or McMahon, which i'd be happy with. i think we need him on the pitch. Again, i'm not a fan of lavery but what are the options? McKenna is allegedly injured. personally i'd be going for a footballer in there against tyrone rather than a fielder. tony kernan proved to be way off the standard from open play last year but we're a year down the line, so here's hoping again. a few unprovens with fingers crossed for them
There's another category of player we have in the team that alarms me - players with decent reputations who hve produced absolutely nothing in 2009. in that i would put Moriarty, brian malon and aaron kernan.
AK hasnt done much wrong
Jeez i think he's been poor by his usual high standards. obviously different types of players but there usually isn't much between McKeever and himself in overall contribution to armagh performances but mckeever is miles ahead this year. most games aaron has been anonymous and thats ok from time to time with a half back who is putting his man out of the game but we know that is never the case.
"The Gaa " whilst I don`t doubt the veracity of your post I made a few calls and guys I know who would be close enough to players were somewhat surprised at your team amendments, re mc kenna as injured and PK as not playing
we'll both have to trust our sources then naka!
Quote from: The GAA on May 28, 2009, 02:58:40 PM
we'll both have to trust our sources then naka!
as long as the good guys win I wont be worrying about sources ::)
might be a bit like Down
what is printed is not the necessarily the team that is playing ;)
This is what i think harte will go for :
devine
ricey
mcmahon
oneill
jordan
gormley
harte
hub
mcginley
tommy
penfold
mcmahon
mugsy
cavanagh
oniell
oneill will go to CHB and gormley will drop back to pick up stevie mcd /clarke along with justy
Did any of you read what Aaron Kernan had to say about people on GAA forum boards today in the Irish News???
He hasn't much time for you lot, criticising his colleagues. He has a point as some guys don't hold back with their opinion's on players, so obviously the word gets back to the players.
thats what i said the other day to you guys...Whatever team Peter puts out I'll support them, I'm not saying I've never commented on any Armagh player b4 but it would be very rarely that i would rip the middle out of a player...(and no I'm not AK...lol)
says more about him that he's talking about or worried about irrelevent idiots like us a few days before a chmpionship match
What's the story with hitting frees this year for Tyrone.
Remember last year we started of with Colm Cavanagh, then Mugsy or Sean, then anybody else that took the notion.
Then Tommy took over when he came on at the marshes.
I'd expect Stevie or McCullagh to hit the ones from the right hand side if either are fit
Will Sean O'Neill take over if he's playing? Is he right footed or left?
For God's sake its a discussion board where people discuss things. Some will be more controversial than others but its hardly like the Telly or newspaper media is it?
When will the Armagh team be officially announced.?
tyrone team just released
1) John Devine
2) Ryan McMenemin
3) Justin McMahon
4) PG Quinn
5) Davey Harte
6) Conor Gormley
7) Philip Jordan
8) Ryan Mellon
9) Enda McGinley
10) Brian dooher
11) Sean Cavanagh
12) Martin penrose
13) Tommy McGuigan
14) Steven O'Neill
15) Eoin Mulligan
RELEASED BY ME!!! ;D
Quote from: crossfire on May 28, 2009, 06:00:10 PM
When will the Armagh team be officially announced.?
When P McDonnell makes up his mind, which will probably be about 1.55pm on Sunday!
the buckfast brigade must be getting cofident, our club has now shifted nearly 200 tickets ::)
The change in weather might help bring a few more out. Can't understand why Armagh supporters are as negative as they are. The bookies are never far wrong and they dont see this as a 1 sided game. Surely the average Armagh supporter would have an interest in making the short trip to Clones to watch the Ulster Champs play the All Ireland Champs?
Quote from: cadhlancian on May 28, 2009, 06:54:19 PM
tyrone team just released
1) John Devine
2) Ryan McMenemin
3) Justin McMahon
4) PG Quinn
5) Davey Harte
6) Conor Gormley
7) Philip Jordan
8) Ryan Mellon
9) Enda McGinley
10) Brian dooher
11) Sean Cavanagh
12) Martin penrose
13) Tommy McGuigan
14) Steven O'Neill
15) Eoin Mulligan
RELEASED BY ME!!! ;D
I think your 1-9 might be spot on.
Quote from: The GAA on May 28, 2009, 03:12:45 PM
says more about him that he's talking about or worried about irrelevent idiots like us a few days before a chmpionship match
Press night was last week sometime, story held from then I'd imagine.
Can't say I'm getting too excited about this yet. I would in no way fear Tyrone at this stage of the championship, it's a game that will be there for the taking. Not a huge fan of AOR but I reckon he probably will start, and as a firm believer in horses for courses it could be his type of game, the type of tactics that lost us the game v Wexford could be spot on here.
Quote from: ONeill on May 28, 2009, 08:06:21 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on May 28, 2009, 06:54:19 PM
tyrone team just released
1) John Devine
2) Ryan McMenemin
3) Justin McMahon
4) PG Quinn
5) Davey Harte
6) Conor Gormley
7) Philip Jordan
8) Ryan Mellon
9) Enda McGinley
10) Brian dooher
11) Sean Cavanagh
12) Martin penrose
13) Tommy McGuigan
14) Steven O'Neill
15) Eoin Mulligan
RELEASED BY ME!!! ;D
I think your 1-9 might be spot on.
Would be suprised but not shocked if Quinn starts. Thought O'Neill played very well any time he got a chance in defence during league. 5 of the defence pretty much picks itself (you never though - could be 1 shock ommission). The 6th place I would have O'Neill as favourite if Joe McMahon isnt brought back which looks very likely.
Quote from: illdecide on May 28, 2009, 03:07:54 PM
Did any of you read what Aaron Kernan had to say about people on GAA forum boards today in the Irish News???
He hasn't much time for you lot, criticising his colleagues. He has a point as some guys don't hold back with their opinion's on players, so obviously the word gets back to the players.
thats what i said the other day to you guys...Whatever team Peter puts out I'll support them, I'm not saying I've never commented on any Armagh player b4 but it would be very rarely that i would rip the middle out of a player...(and no I'm not AK...lol)
I dont understand that mindset, doesnt he realise people talk about players, may criticise them etc and not just on internet forums.
I'm sure he's done it himself.
Tyrone: J Devine, PJ Quinn, Justin McMahon, R McMenamin, D Harte, C Gormley, P Jordan, K Hughes, E McGinley, M Penrose, T McGuigan, Joe McMahon, S O'Neill, S Cavanagh, O Mulligan.
Armagh Team
A friend in Armagh tells me that the team to play Tyrone on Sunday has been picked and will be announced shortly.
It is as follows:-
1. Paul Hearty (Crossmaglen)
2. Andy Mallon (Pearse Og)
3. Brendan Donaghy (Clonmore)
4. Paul Kernan (Crossmaglen)
5. Aaron Kernan (Crossmaglen)
6. Ciaran McKeever, Capt. (St Patricks)
7. Finian Moriarty (Wolfe Tones)
8. David McKenna (Crossmaglen)
9. Kieran Toner (Granemore)
10. Martin O'Rourke (Dromintee)
11. Brian Mallon (Tir na nOg)
12. Paul Duffy (Pearse Og)
13. Steven McDonnell (Killeavy)
14. Ronan Clarke (Pearse Og)
15. Tony Kernan (Crossmaglen)
Quote from: tyronefan on May 28, 2009, 08:45:04 PM
Tyrone: J Devine, PJ Quinn, Justin McMahon, R McMenamin, D Harte, C Gormley, P Jordan, K Hughes, E McGinley, M Penrose, T McGuigan, Joe McMahon, S O'Neill, S Cavanagh, O Mulligan.
Somewhat pleasantly surprised at that particular starting inclusion, and solid enough throughout.
Very happy with the Tyrone team picked and looking forward to seeing the forward line link up on Sunday. If thats the correct Armagh team its strong enough. In some ways a better team than the one that won ulster last year as there is a bit more mobility about it. Thats what the Armagh fans were crying out for last year.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 28, 2009, 08:55:45 PM
Quote from: tyronefan on May 28, 2009, 08:45:04 PM
Tyrone: J Devine, PJ Quinn, Justin McMahon, R McMenamin, D Harte, C Gormley, P Jordan, K Hughes, E McGinley, M Penrose, T McGuigan, Joe McMahon, S O'Neill, S Cavanagh, O Mulligan.
Somewhat pleasantly surprised at that particular starting inclusion, and solid enough throughout.
Heard today that O'Neill is flying in training. His knee can be fine for weeks and then flare up again.
whilst i rate SON highly here`s hoping his knee flares up in the pre match warm up ::)
Quote from: Carbery on May 28, 2009, 08:46:34 PM
Armagh Team
A friend in Armagh tells me that the team to play Tyrone on Sunday has been picked and will be announced shortly.
It is as follows:-
1. Paul Hearty (Crossmaglen)
2. Andy Mallon (Pearse Og)
3. Brendan Donaghy (Clonmore)
4. Paul Kernan (Crossmaglen)
5. Aaron Kernan (Crossmaglen)
6. Ciaran McKeever, Capt. (St Patricks)
7. Finian Moriarty (Wolfe Tones)
8. David McKenna (Crossmaglen)
9. Kieran Toner (Granemore)
10. Martin O'Rourke (Dromintee)
11. Brian Mallon (Tir na nOg)
12. Paul Duffy (Pearse Og)
13. Steven McDonnell (Killeavy)
14. Ronan Clarke (Pearse Og)
15. Tony Kernan (Crossmaglen)
official team just announced has Barry shannon instead of Kernan and Lavery instead of Mc Kenna
Quote from: pintsofguinness on May 28, 2009, 08:28:29 PM
Quote from: illdecide on May 28, 2009, 03:07:54 PM
Did any of you read what Aaron Kernan had to say about people on GAA forum boards today in the Irish News???
He hasn't much time for you lot, criticising his colleagues. He has a point as some guys don't hold back with their opinion's on players, so obviously the word gets back to the players.
thats what i said the other day to you guys...Whatever team Peter puts out I'll support them, I'm not saying I've never commented on any Armagh player b4 but it would be very rarely that i would rip the middle out of a player...(and no I'm not AK...lol)
I dont understand that mindset, doesnt he realise people talk about players, may criticise them etc and not just on internet forums.
I'm sure he's done it himself.
The difference between pub talk Pints and Internet forums is that once it goes up here it is potentially viewable by everyone who uses a forum, and potentially that is thousands(including players themselves) and once it is here it is available for as long as the forum is in existence. I am sure you would hate it if your work mates had a forum where anyone could stick your real details on and call you useful, incompetent, cowardly, only in the job through nepotism etc, etc. I believe there should be a more responsible attitude when it comes to people who some on here know personally. I am sure you have met the Kernans and other people who you have posted about on here. If you posted something nasty(and I am not saying you have before you take a strop) then personally I would find that wrong. Idle criticism and chat on the street are one thing, to put it in writing means that there has to have been some level of thought process(although that is questionable on here sometimes ;))
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 28, 2009, 09:35:29 PM
there has to have been some level of thought process
BC are you sure you're posting this on the right forum? This is the GAABoard- we don't do thinking
Quote from: heganboy on May 28, 2009, 09:37:47 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 28, 2009, 09:35:29 PM
there has to have been some level of thought process
BC are you sure you're posting this on the right forum? This is the GAABoard- we don't do thinking
Hence the bit in brackets at the end!!
As for the team, I would be surprised if it lines out with Shannon and Lavery instead of PK and McKenna. Peter is know for playing games like this before important games and there will be at least 2 changes to the named staring 15.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 28, 2009, 09:41:30 PM
Quote from: heganboy on May 28, 2009, 09:37:47 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 28, 2009, 09:35:29 PM
there has to have been some level of thought process
BC are you sure you're posting this on the right forum? This is the GAABoard- we don't do thinking
Hence the bit in brackets at the end!!
As for the team, I would be surprised if it lines out with Shannon and Lavery instead of PK and McKenna. Peter is know for playing games like this before important games and there will be at least 2 changes to the named staring 15.
hope so, re the changes altho i do feel really sorry for shannon who played quite well this year, lavery I just think needs to get back playing club football as he has been out injured for such a ling while,, I feel the team named is weaker without mc kenna and pk
would note that the 15 he named for wexford in august started
Not that surprised to see PJ start. He was playing well last year early on before getting injured. As well as Sean O'Neill did in the league its very difficult to break into this team, PJ got his foot in the door last year and that will have stood to him. Strong looking forward line with loads of options.
Honestly though McKenna would have started....surprised that lavery is selected..looking at the armagh midfield and half forward line and there is not much of a scoring threat there....other than ak from frees and the full forward line we are goin to struggle for scores i fear.....Shannon deserves his chance thou!
Armagh:
P Hearty, A Mallon, B Donaghy, B Shannon, F Moriarty, C McKeever, A Kernan, K Toner, J Lavery, P Duffy, M O'Rourke, B Mallon, S McDonnell, R Clarke, T Kernan.
Tyrone:
J Devine, PJ Quinn, Justin McMahon, R McMenamin, D Harte, C Gormley, P Jordan, K Hughes, E McGinley, M Penrose, T McGuigan, Joe McMahon, S O'Neill, S Cavanagh, O Mulligan.
Looking at the Armagh team again, I think its better equipped to beat Tyrone than last years ulster winning team. They've brought in a few fresh hungry young players who will offer a lot more running than O'Rourke and Francie last year. McGrane is a loss in the air but his best days were behind him 2. Its a good defence in particular the half back line. Clarke and McDonnell will cause problems if they get decent ball. Think this could actually be a really good match that will light up the championship. Plenty of running and decent footballers on both teams with 2 of the best full forward lines in Ireland.
Shannon rightly named ahead of P kernan if logic is followed, hope it stays that way 9edit: for the start i mean, not always. If Shannon under performs Kernan shoudl rightly come in), but pressure will be on Shannon to perform now. Hope he does.
As for the Ak thing.
This forum is for discussion, you can discuss merits and demerits of players as long as it's reasonable. If i gets personal or is unjustified, it crosses a line.
Tyrone to just scrape past Armagh by a point or 2. Looks a strong Tyrone team. But Armagh are lurking in the grass with nothing to lose.
I hope it's a good game, unlike the venemous stuff in Celtic Park last week.
How good will our bench be on Sunday by the way:
Aidan, PK, SK, McClelland, McKenna, Kevin O Rourke, Henderson, Forker.
All viable options
This could, possibly, have the makings of a classic: what with all those new Armagh faces having relatively little immediate history between themselves and their markers, yet no fear at all and each bursting a gut to a man to make an impression, and a Tyrone team desperate to make a decent fist of capturing an Ulster in a year as defending AI Champs. Then again...
Quote from: corn02 on May 28, 2009, 11:49:20 PM
How good will our bench be on Sunday by the way:
Aidan, PK, SK, McClelland, McKenna, Kevin O Rourke, Henderson, Forker.
All viable options
:-\
A lot of potential there, but not much Championship experience.
I think if you stripped away the cute hoorisms and playing down chances (as if we affect the players), this Tyrone side should defeat this Armagh side. It's hard not to fancy them and gun to the head etc, I think 90% of the population of this country would plump for Tyrone. It's a rake of lads with 3 All-Irelands against a right few fellas making debuts or in the early stage of their careers at this level.
However, the Ulster championship rarely runs to form (apart from Armagh winning it that is!) and throw in Tyrone's notoriously slow starts, the NFL form and Armagh's underdog position, it'd wouldn't be a massive shock to see Armagh come out victorious.
However, if all things are equal and both sides play to their strengths I'd hedge towards a 3-4 point victory for Tyrone.
Funny that I'd be more confident beating Kerry in Croke Park in September than defeating Armagh in May.
Brian McGuigan and McCullagh are definitely out for Sunday
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on May 28, 2009, 11:13:12 PM
Looking at the Armagh team again, I think its better equipped to beat Tyrone than last years ulster winning team. They've brought in a few fresh hungry young players who will offer a lot more running than O'Rourke and Francie last year. McGrane is a loss in the air but his best days were behind him 2. Its a good defence in particular the half back line. Clarke and McDonnell will cause problems if they get decent ball. Think this could actually be a really good match that will light up the championship. Plenty of running and decent footballers on both teams with 2 of the best full forward lines in Ireland.
You are winding people up aren't you. Its as simple as this. If Tyrone get enough ball into that full forward line. they will win. With Vernon out its hard to see Armagh dominating around midfield.
Tyrone skipper Brian Dooher has lost his race to be fit for the All-Ireland champions' opening Ulster SFC tie against Armagh at Clones on Sunday.
Dooher will be on the bench for the clash as Mickey Harte's side launches its bid to retain the Sam Maguire Cup against the provincial champions.
Stephen O'Neill is in the starting team after recovering from a knee injury which ruled him out for several months.
Brian McGuigan is not included in the side after having a hamstring injury.
O'Neill returns after being out of action since the opening round of the National League.
He forms a potentially lethal full forward line alongside Footballer of the Year Sean Cavanagh and Owen Mulligan.
Harte has included 13 of those who played in last September's All-Ireland final win over Kerry for the St Tiernach's Park derby.
The only exceptions are goalkeeper John Devine and corner-back PJ Quinn.
Enda McGinley starts the game despite carrying a dislocated finger.
Ryan Mellon does not start for Tyrone despite recovering from an ankle injury but Aidan Cassidy (ankle) is out while Cathal McCarron is suspended.
Armagh have included Brendan Donaghy at full-back, occupying the place left vacant by the retirement of Francie Bellew.
Donaghy played for much of the NFL campaign and has been given the nod by manager Peter McDonnell.
Captain Ciaran McKeever is named at centre half-back while Kieran Toner and James Lavery come into midfield to take the place of the retired Paul McGrane and Charlie Vernon, who is out with a broken jaw.
Aaron Kernan and Tony Kernan are in the starting line-up while their brothers, Stephen and Paul, are among the substitutes.
Armagh: P Hearty, A Mallon, B Donaghy, B Shannon, F Moriarty, C McKeever, A Kernan, K Toner, J Lavery, P Duffy, M O'Rourke, B Mallon, S McDonnell, R Clarke, T Kernan.
Tyrone: J Devine, PJ Quinn, Justin McMahon, R McMenamin, D Harte, C Gormley, P Jordan, K Hughes, E McGinley, M Penrose, T McGuigan, Joe McMahon, S O'Neill, S Cavanagh, O Mulligan.
Is this game a sell-out?
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on May 28, 2009, 03:07:46 PM
This is what i think harte will go for :
devine
ricey
mcmahon
oneill
jordan
gormley
harte
hub
mcginley
tommy
penfold
mcmahon
mugsy
cavanagh
oniell
oneill will go to CHB and gormley will drop back to pick up stevie mcd /clarke along with justy
not far away! ;)
just quinn instead of oneill
Any word on the line up for the minor game?
And they wanted to play it in Croker?
Sign of the times
The forecasted sunshine might add another 1/2,000 to the attendance too, but by making it all ticket they have limited the flexibility of getting late tickets. What they should do is have an add in tomorrow's Irish News stating a kiosk will be available at Clones to purchase tickets also, maybe only accept debit/credit and laser cards if they are worried about robberies.
Think the fact its not a sell out is due more to Armagh fans losing faith in their team as opposed to the economy (which is also a factor).
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on May 29, 2009, 10:12:46 AM
Think the fact its not a sell out is due more to Armagh fans losing faith in their team as opposed to the economy (which is also a factor).
ffs tyrone dreamer we will have as many fans as you guys there, the fact is the gaa misled everyone as there are no 10,000 family tickets, my club got 3 family tickets for section aa( the corner of the eastern stand)
this has the effect os a family of 4 paying £80 to watch a first round game, it has nothing to do with faith but everything to do with the economy and the fact that it is on 2 TV stations
Quote from: Doogie Browser on May 29, 2009, 10:11:29 AM
The forecasted sunshine might add another 1/2,000 to the attendance too, but by making it all ticket they have limited the flexibility of getting late tickets. What they should do is have an add in tomorrow's Irish News stating a kiosk will be available at Clones to purchase tickets also, maybe only accept debit/credit and laser cards if they are worried about robberies.
Outside omagh last year against Down it was chaos. There was a ticketmaster van there simply to collect tickets and there was nearly a riot it was so disorganised.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on May 29, 2009, 10:12:46 AM
Think the fact its not a sell out is due more to Armagh fans losing faith in their team as opposed to the economy (which is also a factor).
Listen boyo, we followed them in droves in the dark old days, Armagh fans are amongst the best - good times or bad.
Quote from: Shortso79 on May 28, 2009, 10:59:35 PM
Armagh:
P Hearty, A Mallon, B Donaghy, B Shannon, F Moriarty, C McKeever, A Kernan, K Toner, J Lavery, P Duffy, M O'Rourke, B Mallon, S McDonnell, R Clarke, T Kernan.
Tyrone:
J Devine, PJ Quinn, Justin McMahon, R McMenamin, D Harte, C Gormley, P Jordan, K Hughes, E McGinley, M Penrose, T McGuigan, Joe McMahon, S O'Neill, S Cavanagh, O Mulligan.
Uh Oh.
It wasnt a criticism. It sounds like the club sales in Armagh are well down, there's a lot of negative talk about Armaghs chances. Over the last 10 years Armagh have consistently brought big numbers to ulster matches. Probably more than Tyrone. It sounds like for this game the level of support is going to fall below previous levels. Think Tyrone's support will remain at least consistent with the past.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on May 29, 2009, 10:37:55 AM
It wasnt a criticism. It sounds like the club sales in Armagh are well down, there's a lot of negative talk about Armaghs chances. Over the last 10 years Armagh have consistently brought big numbers to ulster matches. Probably more than Tyrone. It sounds like for this game the level of support is going to fall below previous levels. Think Tyrone's support will remain at least consistent with the past.
Sorry, i'm grumpy today.
GAA why the uh-oh?
Quote from: naka on May 29, 2009, 10:22:57 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on May 29, 2009, 10:12:46 AM
Think the fact its not a sell out is due more to Armagh fans losing faith in their team as opposed to the economy (which is also a factor).
ffs tyrone dreamer we will have as many fans as you guys there, the fact is the gaa misled everyone as there are no 10,000 family tickets, my club got 3 family tickets for section aa( the corner of the eastern stand)
this has the effect os a family of 4 paying £80 to watch a first round game, it has nothing to do with faith but everything to do with the economy and the fact that it is on 2 TV stations
We got the exact amount of family tickets that we ordered in our original allocation and it was in several multiples of 3. Fair enough, we couldn't get any extra when we went to look about a few more, but that's the usual story.
Quote from: corn02 on May 29, 2009, 10:39:47 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on May 29, 2009, 10:37:55 AM
It wasnt a criticism. It sounds like the club sales in Armagh are well down, there's a lot of negative talk about Armaghs chances. Over the last 10 years Armagh have consistently brought big numbers to ulster matches. Probably more than Tyrone. It sounds like for this game the level of support is going to fall below previous levels. Think Tyrone's support will remain at least consistent with the past.
Sorry, i'm grumpy today.
GAA why the uh-oh?
Shannon is untested and an unknown quantity against probably mulligan.
Moriarty is having a disaster year on topof me not rating him anyway and playing him in the half back line only enhances the head down solo the ball facet of armagh's game.
Lavery is just not good enough.
question marks on both our wing forwards.
Tony Kernan (or kevin o'rourke) just won't get it done.
Strong looking Tyrone team alright and hope to God Stevie's knee will hold out.
Do ye think Block will play at CHB & Ricey mark McDonnell or will they change every so often
Does Ricey not usually play on the right corner?
These matches are usually close affairs but the Armagh fans have lowered expectations nicely to reduce the pressure on the champions.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 29, 2009, 10:55:15 AM
Strong looking Tyrone team alright and hope to God Stevie's knee will hold out.
Do ye think Block will play at CHB & Ricey mark McDonnell or will they change every so often
Does Ricey not usually play on the right corner?
These matches are usually close affairs but the Armagh fans have lowered expectations nicely to reduce the pressure on the champions.
Gormley will more than likely pick up McDonnell with Ricey playing CHB. Really looking forward to the game now hope its a good one... Did Harte have a column in the Irish News 2day?
Aye, he was talking about the GAA world across the water regarding universties, etc. Not a bad article but at the same time nothing that beneficial in it? Come on Mickey, tell us something about your upcoming match. Think of the publicity the Irish News would receive if there was even just a short snippet at the side quoting Harte as saying Armagh are finished! Now that would sell papers! I think the editor should 'revise' Harte's articles before they go to print! :D
Quote from: The GAA on May 29, 2009, 10:50:38 AM
Quote from: corn02 on May 29, 2009, 10:39:47 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on May 29, 2009, 10:37:55 AM
It wasnt a criticism. It sounds like the club sales in Armagh are well down, there's a lot of negative talk about Armaghs chances. Over the last 10 years Armagh have consistently brought big numbers to ulster matches. Probably more than Tyrone. It sounds like for this game the level of support is going to fall below previous levels. Think Tyrone's support will remain at least consistent with the past.
Sorry, i'm grumpy today.
GAA why the uh-oh?
Shannon is untested and an unknown quantity against probably mulligan.
Moriarty is having a disaster year on topof me not rating him anyway and playing him in the half back line only enhances the head down solo the ball facet of armagh's game.
Lavery is just not good enough.
question marks on both our wing forwards.
Tony Kernan (or kevin o'rourke) just won't get it done.
Well the teams picked now and there's nothing you, me or any other guy on this board can do so what about supporting the guys he has sent out
Quote from: longball on May 29, 2009, 11:02:12 AM
Did Harte have a column in the Irish News 2day?
Here you go longball, and if Noel Doran is asking, it wasn't me ;)
Time to support GAA exilesBy Mickey HarteAS we celebrate with justifiable pride the development and growth of the GAA over the past 125 years, it is incumbent on us all to bring the good news of our games and culture to even more diverse fields. As I have already alluded to and acknowledged in a previous column, GAA missionaries are hard at work all over the globe promoting our games. As we begin the journey towards 150 years of gaelic games, I believe we as an organisation should prioritise supporting our foreign units with a view to having football and hurling, camogie and ladies football introduced officially to the sports curricula of primary and secondary schools.
The template for such support could be initiated close to home with a concerted effort to engage with schools in Britain. The British Universities' Gaelic Association, which has been gradually evolving and expanding since its inception in 1991, will provide an invaluable link for the delivery of such an initiative. The BUGAA, now in its 18th year, provides an essential forum for the continuation of gaelic games and Irish culture for those relatively large numbers of students who, through choice or necessity, find themselves having to cross the Irish Sea to pursue their third level education.
From a modest base of five male football teams, the BUGAA currently boasts a total of 69 teams (38 mens, 19 ladies, 12 hurling). In the 2008/09 academic year, new teams have registered from universities in Southampton, Northumbria, Aberystwyth and Liverpool. Indeed, you can now find GAA clubs in universities from Aberdeen in the north to Brighton in the south. While the BUGAA is to be lauded for the platform they afford young Irish people to continue their development of and participation in gaelic games, they deserve additional recognition for the fact that they are a significant force embracing the internationalisation of our core activities.
Through their links with the European County Board and with Daniel Hannon and others in the New York, North American and Canadian Minor Boards (channelled through Seamus Howlin's overseas development committee), the BUGAA has been successfully involved in setting up a University Gaelic Football Qualifiers League in France. The winners of this French league are invited to play in the British championships. I know from speaking to many young students who have studied in Britain that the GAA unit in their place of study has been a critical factor in their ability to adapt quickly and confidently to their new environment. Even students who had no particular interest in playing gaelic games found themselves attracted to the activities of the club from a positive socially interactive perspective.
Equally, at the higher participation end of the scale, the BUGAA has proved a crucial outlet for many of our players of inter-county standard. Having organised collective sessions two or three times per week, in addition to competitive matches during the academic year, enables those more gifted players to maintain the requisite performance levels on their return.
A glance at some of the well known inter-county players who have come through the British university system – John Finucane, Paul Close (Antrim), Mossie Lyons (Kerry), Ryan McCloskey (Fermanagh), Ollie Murphy (Meath), Stephen O'Neill (below), John Devine, Declan McCrossan and Seamus Mulgrew (Tyrone) – highlights the diversity and quality of players from Ireland availing of the structures put in place by Professor Peter Mossey, with the assistance of George O'Rourke.
As indicated in the list above, there is a massive pool of talent going across from this country to the British universities and while their playing participation will certainly promote gaelic games amongst their University colleagues, perhaps their added value has yet to be tapped. The BUGAA, in conjunction with the British Provincial Council, (made up of the county boards from Gloucestershire, Hertfordshire, London, Lancashire, Scotland, Warwickshire and Yorkshire) believes this talent could be utilised for coaching in the schools as envisaged by the Five Year Strategic Plan of both bodies.
The essence of this plan, which has achieved financial support from the GAA Central Council and the Department of Foreign Affairs, is to: introduce a structured approach to gaelic games in schools; build links between primary/ secondary schools and clubs; retain and build on the number of players in their teenage years; improve standards at every level and discourage alcohol and substance abuse through the promotion of our sport. Sometimes trojan and innovative work on behalf of our Association goes unnoticed. Since 2005, the BUGAA has been providing a lifeline for senior football in New York as a result of an invitation to join their university tournament.
Likewise, the French model, which they have encouraged and adopted, has brought a group of non-Irish students into the game and they are now hosting their own tournament, to which university teams will be invited in October each year. Thanks to the vision of Peter Mossey, who played in the 1991 games and became chairman of the BUGAA in 1994, the British university sector is one of the most potentially important development sectors of the Association in the world.
Anyone who finds himself/herself attending a university in Britain should be aware that he/she will always have helpful contacts available through this GAA network.
CONFERENCE TO RAISE AWARENESS OF SUICIDETHE GAA has provided a lifeline to many communities and individuals since its inception in 1884.
Support in times of tragedy has always been a hallmark of the Association. Unfortunately, within that social network individuals (often young) fall victim to one of the greatest tragedies of our times – suicide.
The Northern Region of the Secular Franciscan Order is organising a conference in Dundalk on Saturday, June 13 where speakers from the Samaritans and the Niamh Louise Foundation will give presentations on suicide awareness and prevention.
The conference will be led by John Murray, a retired Garda Sergeant, who is justice and peace spokesman for the SFO in Ireland. To obtain further information on this conference, please phone 02887749512/02887740636 or email sfo7joys@hotmail.com
Anthony called big game rightI WOULD like to compliment Anthony Tohill on his controlled and objective assessment of Sunday's Ulster Senior Football Championship quarter-final.
Despite the fact that his own county was involved in some incidents not entirely of a footballing nature, he didn't shy away from giving his opinion. Perhaps more importantly, he didn't become emotionally hijacked and run for the cover of the new rules. He accurately stated that there were sufficient sanctions within the existing rules to deal with any indiscretions which may have occurred.
Martin McHugh endorsed this view when he stated that last year's All-Ireland final, universally accepted as a great spectacle, was played under the very same rules.
Thanks again Fear
Anyone know of any pubs, hotels, etc.. in Dubrovnik, Croatia that will be showing this game on Sunday?
Quote from: ziggysego on May 29, 2009, 12:23:52 PM
Anyone know of any pubs, hotels, etc.. in Dubrovnik, Croatia that will be showing this game on Sunday?
The Hibernianak, just at the bottom of the big hill, round the corner from the Paragonik, ask for Pavel and you will be alright.
Thanks Doogie
Quote from: ziggysego on May 29, 2009, 12:26:29 PM
Thanks Doogie
Sorry Zig, all this great weather is going to my heed.
Quote from: ziggysego on May 29, 2009, 12:23:52 PM
Anyone know of any pubs, hotels, etc.. in Dubrovnik, Croatia that will be showing this game on Sunday?
Here's a spot for you Ziggy, you lucky barsteward:
Katie O'Connors, Dubrovnik (http://www.katieoconnors.com/news.html)
I see a Canavan from Errigal, a McGuigan from Ardboe & Thornton from the Island?
Are these all relations of past or current players?
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 29, 2009, 02:03:00 PM
I see a Canavan from Errigal, a McGuigan from Ardboe & Thornton from the Island?
Are these all relations of past or current players?
Dont know about the Canavan but Shea McGuigan is a brother of Brian and Tommy while dermot Thornton is Richard Thornton's younger brother.
So what would all Tyrone 'fans' take if given the choice:
Absolute classic game, one that everyone will be talking about both forward lines on fire scoring points from play and Tyrone lose by a point
OR
Dyer of a game, Tyrone win by 3. Not much football playing more handbags than anything. Basically comes down to frees to win the game
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 29, 2009, 12:47:55 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on May 29, 2009, 12:23:52 PM
Anyone know of any pubs, hotels, etc.. in Dubrovnik, Croatia that will be showing this game on Sunday?
Here's a spot for you Ziggy, you lucky barsteward:
Katie O'Connors, Dubrovnik (http://www.katieoconnors.com/news.html)
Cheers FoSB
Quote from: longball on May 29, 2009, 02:52:36 PM
So what would all Tyrone 'fans' take if given the choice:
Absolute classic game, one that everyone will be talking about both forward lines on fire scoring points from play and Tyrone lose by a point
OR
Dyer of a game, Tyrone win by 3. Not much football playing more handbags than anything. Basically comes down to frees to win the game
Why would any Tyrone fan chose the first one?
I'm with Pete McGrath. I'd rather play great attackiing football and lose than play to a negative system.
1.18 to 1.12 to Tyrone
Stevie O'Neill Man of the match
Speaking of systems. lets count how many times Brolly says the word system on Sunday.
Spillane loves it.
Quote from: ziggysego on May 29, 2009, 12:23:52 PM
Anyone know of any pubs, hotels, etc.. in Dubrovnik, Croatia that will be showing this game on Sunday?
Was there two years ago, watched a couple of games in samuel becketts in lapad in Dubrovnik, run by a couple from Dublin. It was a great spot. Also had a traditional Irish band from Latvia playin, not too many of them about!
Quote from: corn02 on May 27, 2009, 10:27:18 PM
Quote from: eireogatron on May 27, 2009, 03:43:46 PM
finn Mo, although unimpressive thus far in the corner in 09, actually played good stuff on the wing. He's more of a threat than Shannon - who I think looks like he's running in quicksand at times - and is a far better option in this position,
Can't agree with that to be honest. Shannon is a better half back than corner back and has been superb in that role for Driomintee winning club player of the year a few years back when Cross won the Championship.
So, no, I disagree that he is a "far better option", i don;t even think he is a better option, but then again I have only seen a bit of Finn in half back so I can;'t be sure while you seem to have made your mind up without seeing Shannon in half back.
Played afew games this year at 7 for us done well.havent saw 2 much of shannon 2b honest but glad finn not in corner
is row z in pat mcgrane stand at the top or bottom?
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 29, 2009, 03:26:35 PM
I'm with Pete McGrath. I'd rather play great attackiing football and lose than play to a negative system.
1.18 to 1.12 to Tyrone
Stevie O'Neill Man of the match
Speaking of systems. lets count how many times Brolly says the word system on Sunday.
Spillane loves it.
At least he's making a valid observation rather than Spillane's "players just don't know how to kick a ball any more" and "they should have done more shooting practice". Whether Spillane likes it or not that's what the modern game is often about and that's what makes it so hard to shake off seven men to kick a point or pick out a long pass to an outnumbered corner-forward.
And there's still not as many turnovers through mistakes and hopeful long punts as there was in his day.
You'd imagine row z is further back. What's the chances of picking up a ticket in Clones on Sunday for the Hill?
Quote from: ExiledGael on May 29, 2009, 09:02:41 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 29, 2009, 03:26:35 PM
I'm with Pete McGrath. I'd rather play great attackiing football and lose than play to a negative system.
1.18 to 1.12 to Tyrone
Stevie O'Neill Man of the match
Speaking of systems. lets count how many times Brolly says the word system on Sunday.
Spillane loves it.
At least he's making a valid observation rather than Spillane's "players just don't know how to kick a ball any more" and "they should have done more shooting practice". Whether Spillane likes it or not that's what the modern game is often about and that's what makes it so hard to shake off seven men to kick a point or pick out a long pass to an outnumbered corner-forward.
And there's still not as many turnovers through mistakes and hopeful long punts as there was in his day.
You'd imagine row z is further back. What's the chances of picking up a ticket in Clones on Sunday for the Hill?
There'll be no more than 25000 there, so you
should have no problem. But knowing the way the GAA run things, I not so sure...
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on May 29, 2009, 01:34:05 PM
Dont know if it has been posted yet, not reading back through pages of the thread but see below Tyrone minor teal for Sunday:
1 Niall Morgan Edendork
2 Shea McGarrity Cookstown
3 Ronan McNamee Aghyaran
4 Declan Connolly Augher
5 Colin Hicks Glenelly
6 Danny Gorman Killyclogher
7 Tiernan McCann Killyclogher
8 Sean Warnock Greencastle
9 Mark Faloon Donaghmore
10 Liam Gervin Derrylaughan
11 Barry Tierney Omagh
12 Brian McGarvey Gortin
13 Niall Gavin Derrytresk
14 Ronan O'Neill Omagh
15 John McCullagh Greencastle
16 Ryan Clarke Omagh
17 Thomas Canavan Errigal Ciaran
18 Michael Donaghy Carrickmore
19 Harry Og Conlon Edendork
20 Richard Donnelly Trillick
21 Caolan Daly Carrickmore
22 Peter Mallon Moy
23 Shay McGuigan Ardboe
24 Dermot Thornton Coalisland
25 Conan Grugan Omagh
I hear Ard Mhacha have a pretty strong minor team as well so it should be a good game this one if you want to get up to Clones for the 1215hrs throw in :)
What's young McCullagh like Ziggy? I see he got 8 or 9 points v Urney in the Championship last week... at 16yo.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on May 29, 2009, 10:44:24 PM
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on May 29, 2009, 01:34:05 PM
Dont know if it has been posted yet, not reading back through pages of the thread but see below Tyrone minor teal for Sunday:
1 Niall Morgan Edendork
2 Shea McGarrity Cookstown
3 Ronan McNamee Aghyaran
4 Declan Connolly Augher
5 Colin Hicks Glenelly
6 Danny Gorman Killyclogher
7 Tiernan McCann Killyclogher
8 Sean Warnock Greencastle
9 Mark Faloon Donaghmore
10 Liam Gervin Derrylaughan
11 Barry Tierney Omagh
12 Brian McGarvey Gortin
13 Niall Gavin Derrytresk
14 Ronan O'Neill Omagh
15 John McCullagh Greencastle
16 Ryan Clarke Omagh
17 Thomas Canavan Errigal Ciaran
18 Michael Donaghy Carrickmore
19 Harry Og Conlon Edendork
20 Richard Donnelly Trillick
21 Caolan Daly Carrickmore
22 Peter Mallon Moy
23 Shay McGuigan Ardboe
24 Dermot Thornton Coalisland
25 Conan Grugan Omagh
I hear Ard Mhacha have a pretty strong minor team as well so it should be a good game this one if you want to get up to Clones for the 1215hrs throw in :)
What's young McCullagh like Ziggy? I see he got 8 or 9 points v Urney in the Championship last week... at 16yo.
i was speaking to a greencastle man last night and he was telling he is a start of the future, lets hope so
1987 and Irvinestown rocks to the news that the finest Ulster team of the decade had crumbled to perma rivals lowly Armagh in the semifinal of the Ulster championship. Eventually Derry took Ulster that year and there was nothing special about them but they were good enough to beat the team that put 5 past Tyrone only 9 months after they should have ended the golden years of a golden Kerry team. What logic?
1989 and Tyrone were gone! - 9 points down at half time and heading out of the Ulster championship, cue Paul Grimley bursting John Lynch in the tunnel and Armagh werent for being let out of Omagh alive - well football wise anyway! Tyrone murdered their challenge in the second half and defied the impossibility of the acquired lead.
Step forward to 1990 and 91 Armagh were going nowhere and Tyrone were well ahead in transition with names such as Cush and Canavan leading the challenge, Armagh had very little on their teamsheet - Tyrone youngsters didnt count - Armagh pummelled them.
Then we had 1997 and as Jarleth Burns gave the finest midfield exhibition of his era Tyrone defeated a team who had 70 % hard earned possession and 90 % wastage statistics. Crazy win...
The current era probably began in 2002 and an impossible miss by Richard Thornton probably cost Tyrone (the league champions) an All Ireland, cost a management team their jobs, cost Thornton a future with Tyrone and probably won Armagh an All Ireland. In 2003 logic held firm whilst in 2005 Armagh won a game they should have lost and Tyrone won a game they shouldnt have.
By 2009 Tyrone have a small bagful of all ireland medals gathered; armagh have a small shedful of Ulster medals accumulated within a golden era for both teams, Tyrone will feel they are the better team, Armagh will feel they are as good as Tyrone on any given day.
So where are Tyrone leading in to this game - the league showed they hadnt been training that hard and that they were average and outside top 4 form. They have named a team full of talent all being fit and well and should be well motivated by the sight of the orange jersey, so Sunday could well indicate what Tyrone potentially can do this year. Tyrone normally start at 75% power - I suspect they will be at 85 - 90 % of the finished product tomorrow.
Armagh were awful in the league but have new blood in and have had either had a clever 2 weeks PR work behind them leaving them snorkling under the radar or they really are in dire straits. If you believe the former and take in their proud tradition in games like this, then like myself you will believe Armagh will defy all preconceived logics and take Tyrone to the pin of the coller tomorrow and aftyer the jousting and the battle a draw is probaly fairly logical, with extra time sorting out merely who proceeds down the Ulster route. Tyrone V Armagh is important to the fans, the teams and the managers - its more important than the provincial title, if you can understand the logic in that. After tomorrow the Ulster championship will be an anticlimax to all bar Derry and Fermanagh.
Tir eoghain Abu!!!!
jaysus you're looking well into the future rrhf, predicting Sam for Tyrone in 996 years going by your signature!!! ;D
Really looking forward to this now, can already smell the burgers and fried onions heading down Fermanagh street! Perfect clones weather, hopefully the football matches it, I'm going for Tyrone 1-14 Armagh 2-9! Tir Eoghain Abu!
Everyone I have read has tipped Tyrone to win comfortably from Gallagher in GL to Heaney in IN so motivation (hardly neeeded) for McDonnell will be no problem. You have to go along with the thinking when you look at both line ups that its hard to see where Armagh scores will come from apart from Clarke/McDonnell, that is the difference, Tyrone's potency all over the field.
Tyrone by 3 points for me.
Looking forward to a great day out in Clones.
Well spotted Omagh Gael, but who would bet against it?
Aghh the Burgers. Imagine naming a street in Clones Fermanagh street!! :o
Apologies if it has already been discussed - haven't been following this thread - but what's the story with tickets for tomorrow? I know it's all ticket, but any word on whether they'll be on sale in Clones? Thinking about heading down for this one.
Late surge of tickets - tickets are now flying out the doors.
Quote from: orangeman on May 30, 2009, 12:51:23 PM
Late surge of tickets - tickets are now flying out the doors.
That would be the good weather then.
It doesnt get much better than the Ulster champs v the All Ireland champs in Clones on a warm sunny day. Despite a lot of talk of Armagh having no chance etc this will be a tough game played out by 2 teams who will want to stay in the ulster championship. The prospect of watching O'Neill, Cavanagh and Mulligan in one full forward line and McDonnell and Clarke in the other is worth the admission fee alone. Armagh dont lose often (in recent times) in Clones or in Ulster and they wont be easy beat tomorrow.
Back in 2001 when Armagh had won back to back ulsters few gave a young Tyrone team a chance before they went onto win by 5 points. No outcome tomorrow would be a major shock.Its great to have the championsip back, hopefully these teams will provide much needed positive coverage for it.
Maguire01 are tickets still not availble on ticketmaster today for this? There was ad in irish news yesterday saying there was still tickets available and they gave the Tyrone and Armagh county board numbers for purchasing them. When a game isnt a sell out there should be a lot more communication as to how people can tickets.
Wouldn't fancy playing in thon heat.
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 30, 2009, 12:43:38 PM
Apologies if it has already been discussed - haven't been following this thread - but what's the story with tickets for tomorrow? I know it's all ticket, but any word on whether they'll be on sale in Clones? Thinking about heading down for this one.
If your stuck there's tickets on Ticketmaster, provided you pay using card and collect at box office. Where this is in Clones I do not know?? There'll be a big crowd with the weather but I still can't see a sell out. Even if there is sure you can always get your mate inside with a ticket to bring out a another stub for you to try the old... "Just coming back in" to the stewart. Worked last year in Omagh for the 1st Down game anyway. 8)
Is there any other McGuyvers out there that'll do almost anything to avoid paying into games? Not saying i'm one, but sure when sure isn't it while craic when you can get away with it!
As in the vast majority of matches I go to, you can be guaranteed that there will be changes to one or both teams from that published in the programme.
What change(s) do you suspect will happen tomorrow?
Here's mine. Steven O Neill out, Colm Cavanagh in. Pure hunch!!
Quote from: Gaffer on May 30, 2009, 03:58:24 PM
As in the vast majority of matches I go to, you can be guaranteed that there will be changes to one or both teams from that published in the programme.
What change(s) do you suspect will happen tomorrow?
Here's mine. Steven O Neill out, Colm Cavanagh in. Pure hunch!!
As much as I'd like to see him line out, it wouldn't bother me to see him rested for another couple of weeks!
Spring him of course if we're under pressure for scores in the last 20 minutes.
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on May 30, 2009, 02:40:12 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 30, 2009, 12:43:38 PM
Apologies if it has already been discussed - haven't been following this thread - but what's the story with tickets for tomorrow? I know it's all ticket, but any word on whether they'll be on sale in Clones? Thinking about heading down for this one.
If your stuck there's tickets on Ticketmaster, provided you pay using card and collect at box office. Where this is in Clones I do not know?? There'll be a big crowd with the weather but I still can't see a sell out. Even if there is sure you can always get your mate inside with a ticket to bring out a another stub for you to try the old... "Just coming back in" to the stewart. Worked last year in Omagh for the 1st Down game anyway. 8)
Is there any other McGuyvers out there that'll do almost anything to avoid paying into games? Not saying i'm one, but sure when sure isn't it while craic when you can get away with it!
Ordered my tickets on Ticketmaster last night and will pick them up outside Crieghtons Hotel
Tyrone WILL start with named 15.
Quote from: Gaffer on May 30, 2009, 03:58:24 PM
As in the vast majority of matches I go to, you can be guaranteed that there will be changes to one or both teams from that published in the programme.
What change(s) do you suspect will happen tomorrow?
Here's mine. Steven O Neill out, Colm Cavanagh in. Pure hunch!!
Paul Kernan for Barry Shannon would be a possibility on the Armagh team.
Can't see O'Neill starting.
Find this one pretty much impossible to call. With Tyrone over the past few years so much depends on the fitness of key players and the mood inside the panel. I dont think of any of us were particularly confident about further progress after the Down match last summer and yet the word is that the panel very quickly regrouped after that and felt they could still go on and do big things over the summer. Whats the feeling in the panel at the moment?
Ultimately any kind of win tomorrow is a good result, a scrappy 1-7 to 0-9 would do nicely. Most worrying thing for me is how do I follow it, cant get BBC NI here and dont have internet access at home right now so an expensive afternoon in an internet cafe lies head.
Armagh WILL start with named 15.
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on May 29, 2009, 01:34:05 PM
Dont know if it has been posted yet, not reading back through pages of the thread but see below Tyrone minor teal for Sunday:
1 Niall Morgan Edendork
2 Shea McGarrity Cookstown
3 Ronan McNamee Aghyaran
4 Declan Connolly Augher
5 Colin Hicks Glenelly
6 Danny Gorman Killyclogher
7 Tiernan McCann Killyclogher
8 Sean Warnock Greencastle
9 Mark Faloon Donaghmore
10 Liam Gervin Derrylaughan
11 Barry Tierney Omagh
12 Brian McGarvey Gortin
13 Niall Gavin Derrytresk
14 Ronan O'Neill Omagh
15 John McCullagh Greencastle
16 Ryan Clarke Omagh
17 Thomas Canavan Errigal Ciaran
18 Michael Donaghy Carrickmore
19 Harry Og Conlon Edendork
20 Richard Donnelly Trillick
21 Caolan Daly Carrickmore
22 Peter Mallon Moy
23 Shay McGuigan Ardboe
24 Dermot Thornton Coalisland
25 Conan Grugan Omagh
I hear Ard Mhacha have a pretty strong minor team as well so it should be a good game this one if you want to get up to Clones for the 1215hrs throw in :)
anybody know anything about the brian mcgarvey fellow
pretty sure he's my cousins boy
what kind of a player is he?
Low key build up on here and in genereal really it seems. First round of the Championship is always something to look forward to though. Would be hopeful of a good display from the minors.
As far as the seniors are concerned, there's little reason for us to be particularly optimistic. Paddy Power have Tyrone at 4/9 and Armagh at 5/2 and that's probably a realistic enough appraisal. Both teams had similar enough records in the NFL but Tyrone's was at a higher level. 13/14 of Tyrone's starting 15 have started and won an All Ireland final (has Penrose?) and many have started 2 or 3, only 4 of Armagh's team started in 2003 and only 2 in 2002. Tyrone's side is littered All Stars whereas ours isn't really and of course, Tyrone are the reigning All Ireland champions having hammered the side that put us out last year along the way.
That said, in ways Armagh are in the perfect position, expectations in the county are as low as they've been in a decade and the younger players have a chance to step out of the shadow of their illustrious predecessors. And any team with Ronan Clarke and Steven McDonnell in it always has a chance of beating anybody. I'm happy enough with the team picked and I think we have a mobility throughout the side which we've lacked in recent years. Hopefully we play with a bit of bravery and don't suck too many men back defensively. If we're to win, its our full forward line that will do it for us and we need to be providing them with enough possession and support to give them a chance. I'd like to see either Paul Duffy or Aaron Kernan playing as a genuine forward. Clearly Marty O'Rourke will be employed around midfield to win breaking ball and one of the full forwards is likely to drop deeper (maybe Stevie based on the league) but I don't want to see us playing with 7 or 8 defenders. Need a big game from our two midfielders - particularly Lavery who has an unexpected opportunity to show us his potential.
Obviously Tyrone have a hell of a forward line and its going to be very difficult to contain them. be interesting to see who picks up Cavanagh. At the start of the year, I thought Ciaran might man mark Stevie O'Neill but given O'Neill's problems this year and the fact that he's unlikely to be at full pelt, Ciaran may be put on Cavanagh. Its a hell of an imposing half back and full forward line Tyrone have and unfortunately I think they are in direct opposition to our weakest lines.
Armagh have a chance if every man hits nearly top form although I'd be a bit more confident if Charlie hadn't been injured. Think we'll be competitive for a good portion of the game but that Tyrone will pull away towards the end by 4 or so. I'd be delighted to be proved wrong though!
Just about the best preview of the game I have seen Tacadoir.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on May 31, 2009, 12:43:10 AM
Low key build up on here and in genereal really it seems. First round of the Championship is always something to look forward to though. Would be hopeful of a good display from the minors.
As far as the seniors are concerned, there's little reason for us to be particularly optimistic. Paddy Power have Tyrone at 4/9 and Armagh at 5/2 and that's probably a realistic enough appraisal. Both teams had similar enough records in the NFL but Tyrone's was at a higher level. 13/14 of Tyrone's starting 15 have started and won an All Ireland final (has Penrose?) and many have started 2 or 3, only 4 of Armagh's team started in 2003 and only 2 in 2002. Tyrone's side is littered All Stars whereas ours isn't really and of course, Tyrone are the reigning All Ireland champions having hammered the side that put us out last year along the way.
That said, in ways Armagh are in the perfect position, expectations in the county are as low as they've been in a decade and the younger players have a chance to step out of the shadow of their illustrious predecessors. And any team with Ronan Clarke and Steven McDonnell in it always has a chance of beating anybody. I'm happy enough with the team picked and I think we have a mobility throughout the side which we've lacked in recent years. Hopefully we play with a bit of bravery and don't suck too many men back defensively. If we're to win, its our full forward line that will do it for us and we need to be providing them with enough possession and support to give them a chance. I'd like to see either Paul Duffy or Aaron Kernan playing as a genuine forward. Clearly Marty O'Rourke will be employed around midfield to win breaking ball and one of the full forwards is likely to drop deeper (maybe Stevie based on the league) but I don't want to see us playing with 7 or 8 defenders. Need a big game from our two midfielders - particularly Lavery who has an unexpected opportunity to show us his potential.
Obviously Tyrone have a hell of a forward line and its going to be very difficult to contain them. be interesting to see who picks up Cavanagh. At the start of the year, I thought Ciaran might man mark Stevie O'Neill but given O'Neill's problems this year and the fact that he's unlikely to be at full pelt, Ciaran may be put on Cavanagh. Its a hell of an imposing half back and full forward line Tyrone have and unfortunately I think they are in direct opposition to our weakest lines.
Armagh have a chance if every man hits nearly top form although I'd be a bit more confident if Charlie hadn't been injured. Think we'll be competitive for a good portion of the game but that Tyrone will pull away towards the end by 4 or so. I'd be delighted to be proved wrong though!
started last years final
If McKenna starts ahead of Lavery then we have as mobile a unit as Armagh has lined out in some time, as you say TAM McDonnell will come out to the HF line with Brian Mallon probably the man to join Clarke in the FF line. We can't allow a replay of the Wexford game where our two best players are left scratching themselves at one end of the field. MOR will have a big part to play as I can't see too much clean catching in a mass of players in midfield.
Always the optimist I expect us to give Tyrone a damn good rattle!!! Ard Mhacha Abu!!!!
is colm cavanagh in for oneill??
I sincerely hope not
Kevin O Rourke in for T Kernan
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on May 31, 2009, 12:43:10 AM
Low key build up on here and in genereal really it seems.
68 pages before a ball is kicked is low key?
The Ulster Championship begins today after 2 false starts, I think we could have the first shock of the championship with Armagh just shading a very tight game.
I can't see Armagh shading this myself, Tyrone by four...
Tyrone Minors to complete the double also...
http://www.justin.tv/nern (http://www.justin.tv/nern)
c'mon armagh!!
Well lads am out the back with the sun beating down a pint of cider ,the game on the laptop and 4 hours of GAA to come . Does it get much better than this?
Quote from: Gnevin on May 31, 2009, 02:03:04 PM
Well lads am out the back with the sun beating down a pint of cider ,the game on the laptop and 4 hours of GAA to come . Does it get much better than this?
Ya lucky fecker, im at work, updates please.....its a cool 47 degrees outside here in doha.
Let battle commence.
Armagh up by 2 7 min gone
What the hell have they been doing with the pitch in Clones?
The ball won't even bounce. ???
Mc Enaneny letting alot of things slide think he's being a bit too lenient.
Near Tyrone goal. O'Neil missed the resulting 45 . Tyrone 0-01 Armagh 0-02
Awful pile of bad passes. SON misses another scoring chance
SON not in form at all, think I can actually see Armagh winning this one.
Tommy Mc levels it at 3 each . Non of the nonsence from Derry in the game so far. Middle of the pitch like a bog
Stevie O neill goal!
1-04 tyrone to 0-03 . Goal SON
The phoney war may be over . Thank god
Tyrone by far the better team, with better shooting they could be out of sight!
Quote from: Gnevin on May 31, 2009, 02:33:32 PM
The phoney war may be over . Thank god
What are you on about?
Tyrone should be far further ahead, armagh just dont have the players imo.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on May 31, 2009, 02:39:05 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on May 31, 2009, 02:33:32 PM
The phoney war may be over . Thank god
What are you on about?
Tyrone should be far further ahead, armagh just dont have the players imo.
Aye but both sides where very cagey with Tyrone pulling away.
What about the Armagh point/wide by Toner I think it was, over or wide did youse think?
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on May 31, 2009, 02:44:11 PM
What about the Armagh point/wide by Toner I think it was, over or wide did youse think?
Couldn't tell . As usual RTÉ's other angle was worse than the original angle . ::)
God almighty.
That lad that presents the BBC coverage has some size of a head on him.
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on May 31, 2009, 02:44:11 PM
What about the Armagh point/wide by Toner I think it was, over or wide did youse think?
It was Kevin O'Rourke was it not? Thought it was wide myself but hard to tell from the tv!
looked a point to me. umpire in a woeful position to see it.
Enjoyable enough- both teams making an effort to play ball.
Bad angle to see but the guys in TV box seem to think it was over.
Tyrone had a big breeze behind them first half, so things may change early second half.
Did Spillane just say Tyrone playing 'Total' football :o :o
Quote from: pintsofguinness on May 31, 2009, 02:46:54 PM
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on May 31, 2009, 02:44:11 PM
What about the Armagh point/wide by Toner I think it was, over or wide did youse think?
It was Kevin O'Rourke was it not? Thought it was wide myself but hard to tell from the tv!
Was deffo KOR, not Toner... Thought it looked a point myself.
Sorry it was O Rourke, I thought it pas a point as well. Could be decisive at 70 minutes!
Go on Gormley ya boy ya!!!!!! :D
game over ?
2-07 to 0-05
Armagh making changes
Should have been yellow card for conor gormley?
Good goal from clarke
Not so good from Gormley :(
Shows but if Armagh get the ball in to the pair of boyos in the full forward line they can cause bother!
f**k sake wake up Tyrone...
Think its time to get Gormley off Clarke!
Good score Dooher.
Score of the game from O Neill! :)
Great quote about the Ulster Championship during the game. When it's good it's very good but when it's bad it's rotten
Made heavy weather of it a little near the end but job done. Will need to lift it again a bit for the next day.
Good to see Conor Gormely being found out, he's always at the sly fouls and is never pulled up on them. Good from the Referee. Tyrone deserved the win, Armagh worthy opponents though.
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on May 31, 2009, 03:35:27 PM
Good to see Conor Gormely being found out, he's always at the sly fouls and is never pulled up on them. Good from the Referee. Tyrone deserved the win, Armagh worthy opponents though.
You are not soft leafer.You ought to see him in tyrone league games when he get away with what we wants a sly boy.
You would know all about sly digs etc. coming from Clonoe or was it Cassidy that introduced it?
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on May 31, 2009, 03:42:18 PM
You would know all about sly digs etc. coming from Clonoe or was it Cassidy that introduced it?
true
Thought the first half was woeful but enjoyed the second half to be honest.
Tyrone deserved winners and I suppose Armagh can be happy enough with their performance, just didn't get enough ball into the two forwards in the first half.
The pitch ruined the game a bit for me, too soft, heavy and slow. Bouncing the ball wasn't the smartest idea.
Congrats to both teams. Really enojoyed it. That was real Ulster championship bot the sort of filth we witnessed last week.
Wouldn't be too disappointed if I was from Armagh- they'll have a say in the championship yet. Wouldn't like them in the backdoor at all.
Tyrone looked ominously good at times. Best I've seen them early season.
When is the 1st round of the Qualifiers?
Found it!
All Ireland Senior Football Qualifier
Eligible Counties
Connacht Laighin Mumha Uladh
Gaillimh An Lú Luimneach Dún na nGall
Maigh Eo An Mhí Corcaigh Doire
Sligeach Baile Átha Cliath Ciarraí Tír Eoghain
Liatroim Iar Mhí Tiobraid Árann Muineachán
Ros Comáin Loch Garman An Clár An Cabhán
Londain Cill Dara Port Láirge Ard Mhacha
Laois An Dún
Longfort Fear Manach
Cill Mhantáin Aontroim
Ceatharlach
Uíbh Fhailí
Cill Chainnigh
Qualifier
27.06.2009 (Sat)
Preliminary Round
(may be on an arranged basis to reduce the number of teams of 16)
04.07.2009 (Sat)
Round One – (Open Draw)
This Round shall include all the Counties that do not qualify for Provincial Semi-Finals.
Where a Team is drawn away for the second year running in the first round All Ireland Football Qualifier, that team receives home advantage. In the event of both teams, having been drawn away the previous year, toss for home advantage.
CRAOBH PEILE SINSEAR NA hÉIREANN 2009 (ar lean...)
11.07.2009 (Sat)
Round Two – (Draw)
Each of the eight teams defeated in the Provincial Semi-Finals shall play against one of the eight winners from Round 1.
18.07.2009 (Sat)
Round Three (Draw)This Round shall involve the eight winners of Round 2.
25/25.07.2009 (Sat/Sun)
Round Four (Draw)Each of the four teams defeated in the Provincial Finals shall play against one of the four Winners of Round 3.
1/2/3.08.2009 (Sat/Sun/Mon)
All Ireland Quarter-Finals (Draw)
Each of the four Provincial Champions shall play one of the four Winners from Round
Round 4. Subject to the respect Provincial Champions not meeting the defeated Finalists from their own Province in this Round.
A long haul, provided you keep on winning!
Just back in and have to say (similar to defeat in Ballybofey a few years back) that there was a fair bit of promise shown there and reasons for optimism. Thought two of our best players were those being slated regularly here - James Lavery, who I thought was outstanding and Brian Mallon.
McDonnell (manger) made some good moves, Stevie in the HF line in the first half was a waste and when reverting to type it worked out far better, Stevie hasn't legs for that HF role IMO. For the minuses - Paul Hearty, how many times does he have to show that he's a liability before someone else gets the championship nod? Thought AK was poor, Duffy didn't show great and will do well to hold the jersey the next day. MOR mixed the hard work with absolutely shocking distribution at times, should revert to 10, he's not the creative 11 we need. SK did little when he came on. The one thing that would really worry me is that we lack genuine pace in too many positions.
Hopefully we'll have Vernon back in MF for the next day, I'd put Toner in FB, leave Lavery in MF, free up Donaghy for the HB role he looks like he'd revel in and drop F MO. There should be a HF postion up for grabs the next day, David McKenna could do a job.
Enjoyable game, very good start from Tyrone and plenty to improve upon. Good effort from Armagh, upped their game nicely when Tyrone dawdled along in the lead but didn't look like they had the intensity to bridge the gap fully.
Some comments already about the pitch, at times it looked like the ball wasn't getting any bounce.
who got man of the match on bbc
Quote from: bennydorano on May 31, 2009, 05:01:06 PM
Just back in and have to say (similar to defeat in Ballybofey a few years back) that there was a fair bit of promise shown there and reasons for optimism. Thought two of our best players were those being slated regularly here - James Lavery, who I thought was outstanding and Brian Mallon.
McDonnell (manger) made some good moves, Stevie in the HF line in the first half was a waste and when reverting to type it worked out far better, Stevie hasn't legs for that HF role IMO. For the minuses - Paul Hearty, how many times does he have to show that he's a liability before someone else gets the championship nod? Thought AK was poor, Duffy didn't show great and will do well to hold the jersey the next day. MOR mixed the hard work with absolutely shocking distribution at times, should revert to 10, he's not the creative 11 we need. SK did little when he came on. The one thing that would really worry me is that we lack genuine pace in too many positions.
Hopefully we'll have Vernon back in MF for the next day, I'd put Toner in FB, leave Lavery in MF, free up Donaghy for the HB role he looks like he'd revel in and drop F MO. There should be a HF postion up for grabs the next day, David McKenna could do a job.
did MOR not play the ball into Clarke for his goal?? Or the ball before?
He did. Pity about the majority of the rest of his passes.
Interesting that Gormley got MOTM, watched Colm O'Rourke there saying Clarke destroyed him.
Sean Cavanagh poor today, thought the whole forward line looked very disjointed at times,,oh well its early ;)
Gormley got motm, serious? ridiculous, got took to the cleaners by Clarke in the 2nd half. Before Gormley got booked for pulling Clarke back he got away with an identical foul just minutes beforehand, should have got the line a lot earlier than he did.
It seemed to be the last fifteen minutes that Clarke got on top of Gormley, but his goal was the difference at the end of the day!
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on May 31, 2009, 05:43:15 PM
It seemed to be the last fifteen minutes that Clarke got on top of Gormley, but his goal was the difference at the end of the day!
Thats because Gormley was pulling him down all day until he finally got a yellow card.
Was a lot longer than that Carmen. Id imagine if Clarke had of got decent supply in the first half it would have been a similar story. Inspirational goal alright but was poor otherwise.
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on May 31, 2009, 05:44:08 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on May 31, 2009, 05:43:15 PM
It seemed to be the last fifteen minutes that Clarke got on top of Gormley, but his goal was the difference at the end of the day!
Thats because Gormley was pulling him down all day until he finally got a yellow card.
Gormley was excellent on Clarke in the first half and struggled for the final 20 mins or so but didnt think he was MOTM all the same. Justin McMahon was excellent in the first half while Jordan and Mcginley were good throughout.
No doubt Clarkes supply was poor up until then. In fairness not to many could handle Clarke with good supply to him.
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on May 31, 2009, 05:44:08 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on May 31, 2009, 05:43:15 PM
It seemed to be the last fifteen minutes that Clarke got on top of Gormley, but his goal was the difference at the end of the day!
Thats because Gormley was pulling him down all day until he finally got a yellow card.
John Brennan taught him all he knows ;)
Quote from: tyroneboi on May 31, 2009, 05:48:39 PM
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on May 31, 2009, 05:44:08 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on May 31, 2009, 05:43:15 PM
It seemed to be the last fifteen minutes that Clarke got on top of Gormley, but his goal was the difference at the end of the day!
Thats because Gormley was pulling him down all day until he finally got a yellow card.
Gormley was excellent on Clarke in the first half and struggled for the final 20 mins or so but didnt think he was MOTM all the same. Justin McMahon was excellent in the first half while Jordan and Mcginley were good throughout.
He should have got at least two yellows cards before he actually got one for putting Ronan Clarke down when in a scoring position,.
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on May 31, 2009, 05:48:57 PM
No doubt Clarkes supply was poor up until then. In fairness not to many could handle Clarke with good supply to him.
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on May 31, 2009, 05:44:08 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on May 31, 2009, 05:43:15 PM
It seemed to be the last fifteen minutes that Clarke got on top of Gormley, but his goal was the difference at the end of the day!
Thats because Gormley was pulling him down all day until he finally got a yellow card.
John Brennan taught him all he knows ;)
Haha, John Brennan was a cuter hoor than Gormley but! ;)
Both Mc Mahons were having great games but seemed to run out of gas a little.
Great to see both Dooher and O Neill back and with another couple of weeks training under their belt both should be raring to go against their near neighbours Derry.
Though Joe Mc Mahon (Number 12 I think he was) had a great game, has incredible pace, SON had a shaky start but played well once he found his feet.
Credit to Armagh in the second half,after Gormleys goal, the heads could have went down...I am the first to admit and hold my head up in regards to Lavery, he was outstanding for us, Clarke in second half, B mallon were also good....
MOR had a poor game, caught in possesion far 2 much 2day...should have been called ashore sooner...ball into full forwartd line was poor in first half, high ball in the second prooved more productive....
For qualifers at the addition of vernon should help, maybe time for Forker to get a chance.....think question marks remain over Hearty, Finn Mo, Toner at midfield, Duffy and we are still looking for a solution on the forty....
Surprised to hear Gormley got MOM... I thought he struggled all day long with Clarke.
With regards to Clarks goal though it should have been a free in IMO as he was dragged down,
not often you see a man been allowed to get back on his feet and the advantage still be on offer
because to be fair O'Neill was through in the first half and it was called back because of the late hit
on the passer(don't remember who it was)...think McAnaney got both calls the wrong way round.
Great game though and Armagh Def showed up to win it, a few of the younger lads deserve
credit especially Lavery...McGrane might not be missed so much :-\
I'd also agree we've probably seen the last of Hearty for the county.
Justin McMahon was my MOM to be honest, thought he was Immense through out, Ricey kept McDonnell
fairly quiet also and Steven O'Neill had two or three men around him any time he got fed but still managed
a few great scores...the wide open spaces of Croker will suit him to a tee, Anyway great day for Ulster football ;D
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on May 31, 2009, 05:44:08 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on May 31, 2009, 05:43:15 PM
It seemed to be the last fifteen minutes that Clarke got on top of Gormley, but his goal was the difference at the end of the day!
Thats because Gormley was pulling him down all day until he finally got a yellow card.
you got a problem with tyrone??? ....... you're posts smack of negitivity ........ @least we watched two sides who showed how we want to
the game played!!!
hang in there armagh ...... great effort ...
well done tyrone ....total football prevails ...... remarks : will get better: conor gormley m.o.t.m.
Good game today in Clones - 2 very good games in fact. Best side won on both occasions.
Tyrone defence played well - midfield did well also - attack spluttered throughout - more left in Tyrone's tank I think.
Quote from: kickingmule on May 31, 2009, 06:08:20 PM
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on May 31, 2009, 05:44:08 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on May 31, 2009, 05:43:15 PM
It seemed to be the last fifteen minutes that Clarke got on top of Gormley, but his goal was the difference at the end of the day!
Thats because Gormley was pulling him down all day until he finally got a yellow card.
you got a problem with tyrone??? ....... you're posts smack of negitivity ........ @least we watched two sides who showed how we want to
the game played!!!
hang in there armagh ...... great effort ...
well done tyrone ....total football prevails ...... remarks : will get better: conor gormley m.o.t.m.
Try reading through my posts I don't have a problem with Tyrone, I said they were the better team and they deserved the win... ::) I just said Conor Gormley did a lot of fouling which he did, and ultimately got sent off for it.
Strangely content this evening, even though we lost. Reasons to be positive though with the minors coming through a really tough test and the sky the limit for them now, and our seniors putting up a decent showing.
Thought the minors just about deserved their win. They looked set to stroll home after opening up a 4 point lead early in the second half but then conceded a really soft goal (an effort for a point from about 35 yards out that flew between the keepers arms). Tyrone then took complete control for the next 15 minutes and only for winning the peno we were beat. The game really hinged on putting the penalty away and Tasker was coolness personified sending the keeper the other way. My only criticism of these lads is that there may be issues with fitness, a lot of them were left chasing shadows for the majority of the second half. I know it was a painfully hot day to play football in, but the Tyrone boys looked far better conditioned.
Seniors did alright, didn't surpass anyone's expectations but didn't embarrass themselves either. They can go on a have a good dig at the qualifiers safe in the knowledge that they were no more than a kick of the ball away from the AI champions. They've no need to fear taking on anyone later on this year. That said, there's a lot of room for improvement. There were 4 or 5 boys that underperformed today, and I wasn't too pleased with the performances of the men on the line today either. Tactics were, once again, shockingly obvious - get the ball to midfield, look for Stevie, Stevie gets it and he looks for Ronan, repeat. Tyrone clued into this early enough and rarely left Clarke on his own, the only time they did was when we worked a quick string of direct passes up to him and he grabbed a goal.
I thought Hearty was good and bad. He came out very well to deal with 3 or 4 high balls and his kick outs generally found their targets. But his shot stopping was questionable, particularly for the first goal when O'Neill looked to have beaten him at his near post. He also fucked about in the first half when he had a chance to clear the ball, giving away a 13 yard free that inevitably lead to a Tyrone point.
The FB line struggled a bit I think. Andy did as well on O'Neill as most corner backs will do, keeping him shackled for long periods. But O'Neill only needs a few scrapes of ball to do real damage to you, and he managed to do Andy for a couple of scores. Didn't notice Shannon much, dunno if that's a good or bad thing. Thought Donaghy did an admirable job on Canavagh, lost him for a few scores but he put in a couple of great tackles and interceptions in and around HB/ midfield. Think Donaghy might be a better option for us further out the field, he seems like too good a footballer to be stuck in at FB.
HB line were largely poor. Aaron and Finn Mo got forward well at times, but their defensive frailties were all on display today. They were both far too loose on their men (this typified by Finn standing off Dooher when he hit his point), and they were too slow to get back when Tyrone hit us on the counter attack. Aaron's passing was way off today too. McKeever was a solid presence in the middle. He seemed to play as an orthodox CHB, as many of us had hoped he would, and, although this meant he wasn't able to play a disruptive man marking job on anyone, it meant he was well position to break down a lot of Tyrone attacks.
Midfield was very surprising. Lavery finally delivered on some of that potential that he showed at underage level. I thought he was the best midfielder on display and was probably in the mix for man of the match at half time. Seemed to tire and fade in the second half, but he's certainly done enough to hold onto his jersey. Toner didn't win a lot of ball but he was a strong presence for us around the middle, in particular he gave another fantastic tackling display. Think it could be a good move to push him back into defense when Vernon returns.
O'Rourke had a bad game in the HF line. Unfortunately for us when Marty is good he can be very good, but when he's bad he is very bad. Today was a very bad day for him. Nothing seemed to go for him, passes were under hit or over hit, he was caught in possession a couple of times, hit a couple of poor shots. Mallon was better, he got involved in a couple of slick moves and looked capable of hitting a score or two (something seemingly alien to most HFs in the county). Thought Duffy was unlucky to be taken off as he was working really hard. He's a good footballer and we could do a lot worse that to have him in the lineup somewhere, that said he's never gonna hit 2 or 3 points a game like a top class HF.
Stevie had an average enough day. Was the link man in a lot of Armagh's attacks but his passing let him down at times. Seemed to find himself too far from goal to have a shot on a lot of occasions when he won possession. Still think we'd be better served putting him back closer to goal and having someone else in his playmaker role. Ronan was abysmal for 45 minutes before he sparked into life and suddenly seemed to have Gormley's number. I don't think his poor early form was entirely his fault, he was being asked to win a lot of unwinnable ball and found himself hugely outnumbered several times when he did get possession. Think he should take a bit of blame for Tyrone's second goal too, why was he back in his own FB line? This only served to allow Gormley to join the Tyrone attack and ultimately grab the goal. KOR showed well at times today and seemed to have a bit of a spark about him. Think he was also unlucky to be taken off as the main problems at that stage were further out the field.
I think with the game plan they had in mind that Tony Kernan should have started in the FF line. If the plan was to hit loads of 50/50 balls in Tony is better equipped to win these than KOR. Stephen Kernan made a decent impact when he came on. He missed a few tackles and seemed slow to track back, but he also showed a bit of class and skill to jink past a few Tyrone men to set up a few attacks. Dunno if he is a good enough all round player, but he certainly offers a much better passing ability than most of the incumbents in the HF line. Good to see Forker hit a point near the end, he's well in the mix for a spot in that FF line.
Reality is that we're still building, but with a better game plan and improved performances from 3 or 4 guys we can give any team their fill of it. Great experience for some of the younger lads today too, some of whom seem to be maturing nicely. Look forward to a bit of a tour of the country now, free from the claustrophobic Ulster championship. Just hope we don't draw another Ulster team in the first round.
Quote from: Trevor Hill on May 31, 2009, 11:57:22 AM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on May 31, 2009, 12:43:10 AM
Low key build up on here and in genereal really it seems.
68 pages before a ball is kicked is low key?
The Ulster Championship begins today after 2 false starts, I think we could have the first shock of the championship with Armagh just shading a very tight game.
Compared to say the Armagh v Down match last year where there was a lot more chat about the game on here before the match.
Disappointed with the result today but was happy with the game we showed a bit of character to come back into the match from 8 points down to get within 2 at one stage.
We made a good start going 0-3 to 0-1 ahead but seemed to stop completely then and could have been even further behind at halftime. Thought that, just like last year, we played far too deep. Paul Duffy did some decent work I felt but both himself and Brian Mallon were effectively playing as half backs and Mallon especially just couldn't get into the game. If Brian is going to be an effective member of this team, he needs to play as a genuine half forward.
I doubt Clarke had a worse 45 minutes in an Armagh jersey - couldn't get into the game at all int he first half and I'm not sure what he was doing back in his own full back line for the Tyrone second goal - surely he shouldn't have been so far back - had he kept his position, Gormley wouldn't have been in the position to score the goal. Gormley took the goal very very well though. Clarke was excellent in the last 20 minutes though and got well on top of Gormley who simply resorted to fouling and deserved his red card. Luckily for Armagh McEnaney played advantage after Gormley's foul in the lead up to Clarke's goal.
It was good to see McDonnell was a bit quicker with the changes today compared to last year. probably a good idea to take Stephen Kernan off as he thrives int he space which was opening up as players tired. What annoyed me is that it was Kevin O'Rourke who was taken off despite playing very very well I thought. It was almost as though McDonnell had decided to take Kevin off after 50 minutes no matter how well he played. Also thought he should have made another couple of changes later on. We expended so much energy getting back to within 2, I thought that was the time to bring on Forker and Henderson, rather than taking Forker on when Tyrone had extended the lead to 5 and the game was just about beyond Armagh's grasp.
Thought Ciaran McKeever had a good game and did well when switched onto Stevie O'Neill in the second half. Donaghy was a little too loose on Cavanagh at times. Rest of the backs were ok without being great.
Have to say I was convinced Kevin O'Rourke had scored a point just before Tyrone's first goal. Got a text saying that the BBC pundits thought it was over but apparently Ronan Gallagher had another angle and was sure it was wide? Would definetly want to see it again.
I agree with benny that hearty didn;t have a great game - some poor kickouts and gave away a needless point lifting the ball off the ground when he should have cleared it earlier. James Lavery also had a great match for a championship debutant - inspirational point in the first half. He should definetely start the next day. Charlie might have made a difference but to be honest, we have to admit we were beaten by a better team on the day.
Still hopeful we can build a bit of momentum through the qualifiers and maybe still reach the later stages. It'll be tough to make the quarter finals though, having to win 4 matches on 4 consecutive weekends. Just hope we don;t draw an Ulster team in the first round and particularly not Monaghan!
Good display from the minors as well - should hopefully give Ulster a good rattle now. Thought Robbie Tasker was excellent, scored 2-3, the goals from 2 penalties taken as well as any player I've seen.
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It seemed to be the last fifteen minutes that Clarke got on top of Gormley, but his goal was the difference at the end of the day!
Thats because Gormley was pulling him down all day until he finally got a yellow card.
you got a problem with tyrone??? ....... you're posts smack of negitivity ........ @least we watched two sides who showed how we want to
the game played!!!
hang in there armagh ...... great effort ...
well done tyrone ....total football prevails ...... remarks : will get better: conor gormley m.o.t.m.
Try reading through my posts I don't have a problem with Tyrone, I said they were the better team and they deserved the win... ::) I just said Conor Gormley did a lot of fouling which he did, and ultimately got sent off for it.
conor gormley had a superb game ..... always a tight marker ....in your face and personal .... a class footballer, who gives you 100%
he got a second yellow .... that happens, but tackled hard and fair throughtout until that point, ....no arguments!!!
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It seemed to be the last fifteen minutes that Clarke got on top of Gormley, but his goal was the difference at the end of the day!
Thats because Gormley was pulling him down all day until he finally got a yellow card.
you got a problem with tyrone??? ....... you're posts smack of negitivity ........ @least we watched two sides who showed how we want to
the game played!!!
hang in there armagh ...... great effort ...
well done tyrone ....total football prevails ...... remarks : will get better: conor gormley m.o.t.m.
Try reading through my posts I don't have a problem with Tyrone, I said they were the better team and they deserved the win... ::) I just said Conor Gormley did a lot of fouling which he did, and ultimately got sent off for it.
conor gormley had a superb game ..... always a tight marker ....in your face and personal .... a class footballer, who gives you 100%
he got a second yellow .... that happens, but tackled hard and fair throughtout until that point, ....no arguments!!!
Apart from the fouling?
Strange to give a player that gets sent off for multiple fouling man of the match.
Im certainly not as happy as most seem to be about Armaghs performance today. I thought we were second best nearly every where on the pitch and really only gave Tyrone a game for the first ten minutes and then again when we were 8 points down and Tyrone looked like they had taken their foot of the gas. I would usually be one to defend Martin O'Rourke but for me today he had his worst ever game for Armagh and how he stayed on the pitch coming out for the second half is beyond me. I would love to see the stats for the number of points Tyrone scored either from Martin losing the ball or from McMahon sauntering past him to set up a score as we reckoned it was about 1-5 or 1-6.
To me the final scoreline lied today, Tyrone always looked like they could up it a gear and pull away. They looked like a team that has a lot left in the tank and will improve, to me we looked like (unless we get a good draw) having a long summer. Hope i am wrong though
Meant to add I was once again not impressed with McEanney today who I thought was very inconsistent. As talked about earlier the brining back of the O Neill chance in the first half and the allowing play to go for Clarkes goal highlighted it perfectly. I dont think hes anywhere near as good as he was years ago and is certainly not the top referee in the country anymore. Although i accept I will probably not be in the majority on this one and his performance may next to know bearing on the result today
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Meant to add I was once again not impressed with McEanney today who I thought was very inconsistent. As talked about earlier the brining back of the O Neill chance in the first half and the allowing play to go for Clarkes goal highlighted it perfectly. I dont think hes anywhere near as good as he was years ago and is certainly not the top referee in the country anymore. Although i accept I will probably not be in the majority on this one and his performance may next to know bearing on the result today
Who is the top ref?
As a neutral at today's game, i think he was well on top of it - wasn't the centre of attantion and drew very little reaction from the crowd for any of his decisions.
Correct choice of venue today anyway. Omagh would have been too small and Croker too big. Everyone who wanted to see the game could, and there was plenty of atmosphere.
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Meant to add I was once again not impressed with McEanney today who I thought was very inconsistent. As talked about earlier the brining back of the O Neill chance in the first half and the allowing play to go for Clarkes goal highlighted it perfectly. I dont think hes anywhere near as good as he was years ago and is certainly not the top referee in the country anymore. Although i accept I will probably not be in the majority on this one and his performance may next to know bearing on the result today
Who is the top ref?
As a neutral at today's game, i think he was well on top of it - wasn't the centre of attantion and drew very little reaction from the crowd for any of his decisions.
would agree ....did'nt see alot of the ref today. good advanage played for clark goal!
althought very strange ..he called SON back ...when throught on goal in the 1st half?
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It seemed to be the last fifteen minutes that Clarke got on top of Gormley, but his goal was the difference at the end of the day!
Thats because Gormley was pulling him down all day until he finally got a yellow card.
you got a problem with tyrone??? ....... you're posts smack of negitivity ........ @least we watched two sides who showed how we want to
the game played!!!
hang in there armagh ...... great effort ...
well done tyrone ....total football prevails ...... remarks : will get better: conor gormley m.o.t.m.
Try reading through my posts I don't have a problem with Tyrone, I said they were the better team and they deserved the win... ::) I just said Conor Gormley did a lot of fouling which he did, and ultimately got sent off for it.
conor gormley had a superb game ..... always a tight marker ....in your face and personal .... a class footballer, who gives you 100%
he got a second yellow .... that happens, but tackled hard and fair throughtout until that point, ....no arguments!!!
Correct, personal fouls are the order of the day with Mc Gormley. I don't deny he is a good player, but you have to see what in front of you but if CG is getting it tight he fouls and pulls on the jersey.
Does anyone know when the draw will be made for the first round of the back door scheduled to be played on 04.07.2009 (Sat)? The final 3 quarter-final provincial games (Wicklow v Westmeath, Louth v Laois and Donegal v Antrim), will be played on Sunday June 14th. Will the draw be made that evening?
Quote from: David McKeown on May 31, 2009, 06:41:57 PM
Im certainly not as happy as most seem to be about Armaghs performance today. I thought we were second best nearly every where on the pitch and really only gave Tyrone a game for the first ten minutes and then again when we were 8 points down and Tyrone looked like they had taken their foot of the gas. I would usually be one to defend Martin O'Rourke but for me today he had his worst ever game for Armagh and how he stayed on the pitch coming out for the second half is beyond me. I would love to see the stats for the number of points Tyrone scored either from Martin losing the ball or from McMahon sauntering past him to set up a score as we reckoned it was about 1-5 or 1-6.
To me the final scoreline lied today, Tyrone always looked like they could up it a gear and pull away. They looked like a team that has a lot left in the tank and will improve, to me we looked like (unless we get a good draw) having a long summer. Hope i am wrong though
Touch harsh there David. We were playing the AI champions, who were more or less at full strength. We had two guys making their debuts, and 3 or 4 other lads starting in certain positions for the first time in the Championship. These things factored in, I thought made made a very decent fist of things.
I also think its incorrect to attribute Armagh's partial second half comeback to Tyrone taking their foot off the gas. We got a good goal from the type of ball we'd been putting into Clarke all day. Ronan finally got the better of his marker, it was nothing to do with Tyrone standing back. The goal gave us a lift and knocked the stuffing out of Tyrone for a period, allowing us to get within two with a couple of further chances to get it down to the minimum. Tyrone's big guns, O'Neill and Dooher, then stepped up to make the game safe and we had no answer to them. Despite all that had gone on before it was really the contribution of these lads in the last 7 or 8 minutes that won the game for Tyrone.
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Does anyone know when the draw will be made for the first round of the back door scheduled to be played on 04.07.2009 (Sat)? The final 3 quarter-final provincial games (Wicklow v Westmeath, Louth v Laois and Donegal v Antrim), will be played on Sunday June 14th. Will the draw be made that evening?
I'd imagine on the 14th of June after Antrim and Tyrone play? Think this is the weekend of the last of 1st round game.
Just in from the game and I have to say: greedy Clones bastards.
Had to make a quick getaway from the game so tried to park near the ground. Pulled into a handy car park (5 euro) and told him I would leave early to collect car. "Oh aye there'll be someone here at all times to let you out".
Left early (missed Gormley red and O'Neill's last score) and got to car in time to beat the crowd and traffic. Car Park bunged out to the gate, every isle jammed in for the sake of a few more euro. Absolutely no way out until everyone returned to their cars. Didn't move until an hour after game ended. Joke.
Anyway on the game, decent match, few good scores but Tyrone obviously have a lot left in them.
Would have given man of the match to Justin McMahon. Superb in possession and intercepted numerous Armagh attacks. (Though to be fair those attacks seemed pretty aimless). Great goal from Gormley but he was lucky not to be sent off a lot sooner for persistant fouling. Riodiculous of anyone to say Clarke was hopeless considering the ball he was getting, he done well to pick up any possession and threw off Gormley a couple of times. Thought Stevie was a lot poorer though, dropped very deep and hit a few dreadful foot passes, which was Armagh's problem all day, MOR also guilty.
Impressed by Lavery and could see Armagh making quarter-finals but no more.
Tyrone could do anything. Is Dooher ever going to go away?? What a score.
Entertaining game from a neutral perspective.Really cannot see Tyrone tripping up until at least the AISF stage( and probably winning the whole thing). Armagh battled vey manfully as you would expect from them. Thought Harte had a good game for Tyrone........ alot of the Tyrone lads had quiet games imo..... pretty worrying for all future opponents if/when they click.
Bit disappointed to see a tatty faded tricolour at Clones today........ not good enough.....imo. AnabhF also not observed for the whole duration. What's happening lads?
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It seemed to be the last fifteen minutes that Clarke got on top of Gormley, but his goal was the difference at the end of the day!
Thats because Gormley was pulling him down all day until he finally got a yellow card.
you got a problem with tyrone??? ....... you're posts smack of negitivity ........ @least we watched two sides who showed how we want to
the game played!!!
hang in there armagh ...... great effort ...
well done tyrone ....total football prevails ...... remarks : will get better: conor gormley m.o.t.m.
Try reading through my posts I don't have a problem with Tyrone, I said they were the better team and they deserved the win... ::) I just said Conor Gormley did a lot of fouling which he did, and ultimately got sent off for it.
conor gormley had a superb game ..... always a tight marker ....in your face and personal .... a class footballer, who gives you 100%
he got a second yellow .... that happens, but tackled hard and fair throughtout until that point, ....no arguments!!!
Correct, personal fouls are the order of the day with Mc Gormley. I don't deny he is a good player, but you have to see what in front of you but if CG is getting it tight he fouls and pulls on the jersey.
agree to disagree ..... he was my man of the match anyway!!!
MUGSY AND SON and not 4getting dooher 2wards the end ....were lucky to have their shirts ::)
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Quote from: PatDaly on May 31, 2009, 07:07:28 PM
Does anyone know when the draw will be made for the first round of the back door scheduled to be played on 04.07.2009 (Sat)? The final 3 quarter-final provincial games (Wicklow v Westmeath, Louth v Laois and Donegal v Antrim), will be played on Sunday June 14th. Will the draw be made that evening?
I'd imagine on the 14th of June after Antrim and Tyrone play? Think this is the weekend of the last of 1st round game.
How'd we get those feckers?
:-[ Sorry I mean Donegal! ;)
Quote from: PatDaly on May 31, 2009, 07:07:28 PM
Does anyone know when the draw will be made for the first round of the back door scheduled to be played on 04.07.2009 (Sat)? The final 3 quarter-final provincial games (Wicklow v Westmeath, Louth v Laois and Donegal v Antrim), will be played on Sunday June 14th. Will the draw be made that evening?
My recollection that the draw isn't made until the Sunday night before the qualifiers i.e. 28th June. Now there's no reason for them to wait that long but I think that's what they've done in the past.
Found myself rooting for Armagh with 10 minutes to go, they had clawed their way back into the game when they looked dead and buried after 10 minutes of the second half. Wasn't a bad game of football from the neutrals point of view, but I do not think that Pat McEnaney should be allowed to ref a game involving Armagh, he finds it very hard to give a decision against them. All the 50/50 decisions went Armaghs way today, their goal being the prime example, he allowed Clarke to play on after a clear foul, but denied O`Neill the same opportunity in the first half. Clarke had been anonymous until he got that break from McEnaney and it seemed to bring him to life.
I said this morning that this game would be close and I wasn't far away. If anyone was going to catch Tyrone out it would be Armagh as Tyrone may have been a bit rusty. I would expect Tyrone to go on and win Ulster now, but who knows after that. Fair play to Armagh for making a game of it when it looked they were going to be on the receiving end of a drubbing. No Ulster this year but they will be a nightmare in the qualifiers.
A victory over Armagh in the qualifiers is probably the only thing that will save Ross Carr's job and who would bet against the old enemy being paired together?
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Strangely content this evening, even though we lost. Reasons to be positive though with the minors coming through a really tough test and the sky the limit for them now, and our seniors putting up a decent showing.
Thought the minors just about deserved their win. They looked set to stroll home after opening up a 4 point lead early in the second half but then conceded a really soft goal (an effort for a point from about 35 yards out that flew between the keepers arms). Tyrone then took complete control for the next 15 minutes and only for winning the peno we were beat. The game really hinged on putting the penalty away and Tasker was coolness personified sending the keeper the other way. My only criticism of these lads is that there may be issues with fitness, a lot of them were left chasing shadows for the majority of the second half. I know it was a painfully hot day to play football in, but the Tyrone boys looked far better conditioned.
Seniors did alright, didn't surpass anyone's expectations but didn't embarrass themselves either. They can go on a have a good dig at the qualifiers safe in the knowledge that they were no more than a kick of the ball away from the AI champions. They've no need to fear taking on anyone later on this year. That said, there's a lot of room for improvement. There were 4 or 5 boys that underperformed today, and I wasn't too pleased with the performances of the men on the line today either. Tactics were, once again, shockingly obvious - get the ball to midfield, look for Stevie, Stevie gets it and he looks for Ronan, repeat. Tyrone clued into this early enough and rarely left Clarke on his own, the only time they did was when we worked a quick string of direct passes up to him and he grabbed a goal.
I thought Hearty was good and bad. He came out very well to deal with 3 or 4 high balls and his kick outs generally found their targets. But his shot stopping was questionable, particularly for the first goal when O'Neill looked to have beaten him at his near post. He also fucked about in the first half when he had a chance to clear the ball, giving away a 13 yard free that inevitably lead to a Tyrone point.
The FB line struggled a bit I think. Andy did as well on O'Neill as most corner backs will do, keeping him shackled for long periods. But O'Neill only needs a few scrapes of ball to do real damage to you, and he managed to do Andy for a couple of scores. Didn't notice Shannon much, dunno if that's a good or bad thing. Thought Donaghy did an admirable job on Canavagh, lost him for a few scores but he put in a couple of great tackles and interceptions in and around HB/ midfield. Think Donaghy might be a better option for us further out the field, he seems like too good a footballer to be stuck in at FB.
HB line were largely poor. Aaron and Finn Mo got forward well at times, but their defensive frailties were all on display today. They were both far too loose on their men (this typified by Finn standing off Dooher when he hit his point), and they were too slow to get back when Tyrone hit us on the counter attack. Aaron's passing was way off today too. McKeever was a solid presence in the middle. He seemed to play as an orthodox CHB, as many of us had hoped he would, and, although this meant he wasn't able to play a disruptive man marking job on anyone, it meant he was well position to break down a lot of Tyrone attacks.
Midfield was very surprising. Lavery finally delivered on some of that potential that he showed at underage level. I thought he was the best midfielder on display and was probably in the mix for man of the match at half time. Seemed to tire and fade in the second half, but he's certainly done enough to hold onto his jersey. Toner didn't win a lot of ball but he was a strong presence for us around the middle, in particular he gave another fantastic tackling display. Think it could be a good move to push him back into defense when Vernon returns.
O'Rourke had a bad game in the HF line. Unfortunately for us when Marty is good he can be very good, but when he's bad he is very bad. Today was a very bad day for him. Nothing seemed to go for him, passes were under hit or over hit, he was caught in possession a couple of times, hit a couple of poor shots. Mallon was better, he got involved in a couple of slick moves and looked capable of hitting a score or two (something seemingly alien to most HFs in the county). Thought Duffy was unlucky to be taken off as he was working really hard. He's a good footballer and we could do a lot worse that to have him in the lineup somewhere, that said he's never gonna hit 2 or 3 points a game like a top class HF.
Stevie had an average enough day. Was the link man in a lot of Armagh's attacks but his passing let him down at times. Seemed to find himself too far from goal to have a shot on a lot of occasions when he won possession. Still think we'd be better served putting him back closer to goal and having someone else in his playmaker role. Ronan was abysmal for 45 minutes before he sparked into life and suddenly seemed to have Gormley's number. I don't think his poor early form was entirely his fault, he was being asked to win a lot of unwinnable ball and found himself hugely outnumbered several times when he did get possession. Think he should take a bit of blame for Tyrone's second goal too, why was he back in his own FB line? This only served to allow Gormley to join the Tyrone attack and ultimately grab the goal. KOR showed well at times today and seemed to have a bit of a spark about him. Think he was also unlucky to be taken off as the main problems at that stage were further out the field.
I think with the game plan they had in mind that Tony Kernan should have started in the FF line. If the plan was to hit loads of 50/50 balls in Tony is better equipped to win these than KOR. Stephen Kernan made a decent impact when he came on. He missed a few tackles and seemed slow to track back, but he also showed a bit of class and skill to jink past a few Tyrone men to set up a few attacks. Dunno if he is a good enough all round player, but he certainly offers a much better passing ability than most of the incumbents in the HF line. Good to see Forker hit a point near the end, he's well in the mix for a spot in that FF line.
Reality is that we're still building, but with a better game plan and improved performances from 3 or 4 guys we can give any team their fill of it. Great experience for some of the younger lads today too, some of whom seem to be maturing nicely. Look forward to a bit of a tour of the country now, free from the claustrophobic Ulster championship. Just hope we don't draw another Ulster team in the first round.
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Low key build up on here and in genereal really it seems.
68 pages before a ball is kicked is low key?
The Ulster Championship begins today after 2 false starts, I think we could have the first shock of the championship with Armagh just shading a very tight game.
Compared to say the Armagh v Down match last year where there was a lot more chat about the game on here before the match.
Disappointed with the result today but was happy with the game we showed a bit of character to come back into the match from 8 points down to get within 2 at one stage.
We made a good start going 0-3 to 0-1 ahead but seemed to stop completely then and could have been even further behind at halftime. Thought that, just like last year, we played far too deep. Paul Duffy did some decent work I felt but both himself and Brian Mallon were effectively playing as half backs and Mallon especially just couldn't get into the game. If Brian is going to be an effective member of this team, he needs to play as a genuine half forward.
I doubt Clarke had a worse 45 minutes in an Armagh jersey - couldn't get into the game at all int he first half and I'm not sure what he was doing back in his own full back line for the Tyrone second goal - surely he shouldn't have been so far back - had he kept his position, Gormley wouldn't have been in the position to score the goal. Gormley took the goal very very well though. Clarke was excellent in the last 20 minutes though and got well on top of Gormley who simply resorted to fouling and deserved his red card. Luckily for Armagh McEnaney played advantage after Gormley's foul in the lead up to Clarke's goal.
It was good to see McDonnell was a bit quicker with the changes today compared to last year. probably a good idea to take Stephen Kernan off as he thrives int he space which was opening up as players tired. What annoyed me is that it was Kevin O'Rourke who was taken off despite playing very very well I thought. It was almost as though McDonnell had decided to take Kevin off after 50 minutes no matter how well he played. Also thought he should have made another couple of changes later on. We expended so much energy getting back to within 2, I thought that was the time to bring on Forker and Henderson, rather than taking Forker on when Tyrone had extended the lead to 5 and the game was just about beyond Armagh's grasp.
Thought Ciaran McKeever had a good game and did well when switched onto Stevie O'Neill in the second half. Donaghy was a little too loose on Cavanagh at times. Rest of the backs were ok without being great.
Have to say I was convinced Kevin O'Rourke had scored a point just before Tyrone's first goal. Got a text saying that the BBC pundits thought it was over but apparently Ronan Gallagher had another angle and was sure it was wide? Would definetly want to see it again.
I agree with benny that hearty didn;t have a great game - some poor kickouts and gave away a needless point lifting the ball off the ground when he should have cleared it earlier. James Lavery also had a great match for a championship debutant - inspirational point in the first half. He should definetely start the next day. Charlie might have made a difference but to be honest, we have to admit we were beaten by a better team on the day.
Still hopeful we can build a bit of momentum through the qualifiers and maybe still reach the later stages. It'll be tough to make the quarter finals though, having to win 4 matches on 4 consecutive weekends. Just hope we don;t draw an Ulster team in the first round and particularly not Monaghan!
Good display from the minors as well - should hopefully give Ulster a good rattle now. Thought Robbie Tasker was excellent, scored 2-3, the goals from 2 penalties taken as well as any player I've seen.
Seriously, who actually wants to read all of that?
Armagh = Rudderless
Mixed feelings about today, did well to battle back but feel that this match was there for the taking had the starting fifteen been slightly different and the right calls been made earlier. Don't like singling out players but at times it was difficult to watch as possession/scores were plundered so cheaply.
Felt Clarke could have done better compared to what he is usually capable of, top player and he took the goal well today but let Gormley dominate him too easily in first half, also recall one instance when the ball was played in and he didn't even jump for it (wtf) ???
MOR should from now on be known as Katy Perry (HOT AND COLD). Has no difficulty doing the hard stuff (and doing it well) but when it comes to doing the simple things right i.e. distribution he was yet again poor.
As someone has already said for the next game I would drop Finn Mo and have Donaghy in HB, with Toner in at FB, Finnian didn't have an overly bad game, hes good running out of defence but when making his way into the Tyrone half today more often than not he ran out of ideas, with the move dying or the ball being overturned.
Hearty another contender for the Katy Perry title, kickouts were long and aimless and he had a few head staggers and I just wouldn't be as confident in him as days gone by. He did however save two goal chances, one of which he maybe should have caught.
Good performances today by Andy Mallon, Donaghy, Ciaran McKeever who were all solid in defence. James Lavery was excellent considering the criticism he had previously received and he certainly sent out a message today to all his doubters. Stevie was good, buzzing around and getting plenty of ball and bar a few ambitious shots where the ball should have been worked into a scorable position did reasonably well. Kevin O'Rourke was good and having watched the replay was denied a point for his efforts. Stefan Forker I think scored one as well when introduced and should maybe be considered for the first qualifier match.
Hearty had a good game but as is custom he had his one howler. He took an age to pick the ball up and gave a free for lifting. It was a bit harsh though cause O'Neill had a kick at him when he was trying shield the ball.
I though Finn Mo did well and think he will retain his place.
Lavery fielded a number of great catches but then, Tyrone's midfield has always been shite. I thought Toner id a great job too and covered some ground.
It was sad to see MOR tire so much. He worked hard and shouldn't he practise his kicking for points?
Clarke took some big hits from Gormley, and should have had at least 3 more frees from blatant pushes in the back.
Every time Armagh lost the ball it was because nobody was showing for it – the work rate needed to increase when we're in procession.
Musical note: Why was there no band? Surely the Ulster champions and All-Ireland champions deserved a parade? On the other hand, maybe that helped keep the clean.
Quotewinning the peno
He 'won' the penalty alright. ;).................although the aimless cross-field ball that gifted posession to Armagh for the goal was the killer.
Although Armagh went on to grind out the win a draw would have been fair result.
Who captained Tyrone 2day????
Quote from: Family guy on May 31, 2009, 09:18:30 PM
Who captained Tyrone 2day????
Ricey and he won the toss!
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45849000/jpg/_45849046_mcmenamin_mcdonnell.jpg)
Must say I was worried when we went eight points down as Tyrone don't do "foot off the gas" as some have stated, when they have you beat they normally turn the screw. It would also point to the fact that all is not as bad in the Armagh camp as some "fans" in Armagh would have us believe, if that was the case the towel would've been thrown in, instead they showed guts and determination.
Thought it was played in a very good spirit with hardly a dirty dig in it, refereed as well as ever by Pat McEneaney.
Best for Armagh was Donaghy, McKeever, Lavery (fair play to him), B Mallon and Clarke. Don't think I have ever seen Stevie McDonnell playing as poorly in a Championship match, everything he did failed although he never hid and kept plugging away.
Thought Henderson could've got a run in the last twenty along with Forker.
For the next day I would bring Vernon into midfield, put Toner to FB and drop Finn Mo. I'd also bring David McKenna into the HF line for Paul Duffy and try to blood Forker/Henderson depending on the opposition.
We may see Croker in August yet!!
When I saw Charlie Vernon's form in the league this year I was hoping that PMc D would use him,Toner and Paul McGrane in a formation accross the middle but Paul's retirement put paid to that hope. Having seen James' performance today I think he should accomodate all three in this sector.
Suprised to hear that conor got man of the match as i though justin had a better game.
Quote from: David McKeown on May 31, 2009, 06:45:22 PM
Meant to add I was once again not impressed with McEanney today who I thought was very inconsistent. As talked about earlier the brining back of the O Neill chance in the first half and the allowing play to go for Clarkes goal highlighted it perfectly. I dont think hes anywhere near as good as he was years ago and is certainly not the top referee in the country anymore. Although i accept I will probably not be in the majority on this one and his performance may next to know bearing on the result today
Just watching The Sunday Game. Cahill, McStay and Cinnéide were falling over themselves to praise McEnaney's game - Cahill was ready to give him man of the match. Mickey Harte was vocal in his praise also.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00ktlqk/The_Championship_2008_09_Tyrone_v_Armagh/
watch it again here,
didnt see the 2nd half yet, the pitch must be very soft, even the kickouts werent bouncing normally and some of the passes didnt travel as far they normally would. Good enough game but alot of poor shooting in the 1st half though O'Neill took his goal well.
Quote from: thejuice on May 31, 2009, 10:22:54 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00ktlqk/The_Championship_2008_09_Tyrone_v_Armagh/
watch it again here,
didnt see the 2nd half yet, the pitch must be very soft, even the kickouts werent bouncing normally and some of the passes didnt travel as far they normally would. Good enough game but alot of poor shooting in the 1st half though O'Neill took his goal well.
I thought the first half was brutal. Wasn't until the second half that there was any life to it. Some terrible shooting in the first half alright.
I thought the stand out feature of the first half was dreadful kick passing from both sides.
What does colm cavanagh ever do too justify game time Must be in trainning not a bad club player never seems too do much in county games.
Decent enough game today. The weather made conditions difficult for the players and the pitch was dead as well. Tyrone had that wee bit extra when required, encouraging display from Justin McMahon after struggling in the opening league games before picking up the injury in westmeath. PJ played well in spells too. Derry will be a totally different proposition though, it will be intriguing.
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on May 31, 2009, 08:42:34 PM
A strange game, there was a certain bit of "intensity" in the game yet at least for Tyrone, they didn't seem to be getting out of second gear at any time. Joe McMahon was MOTM for me, was out of steam after 50-55 minutes but gave it everything up until then, pitch & weather conditions would have tested the stamina of a lot of players out there and I reckon Mickey Harte made his substitutions at the right times. The softness and deadness of the pitch today probably came about from some fault in the drainage I reckon - conditions of the St. Tiernach's Park pitch have looked rather patchy over the last few years anyway. McEnaney did a reasonable job referring it, though as pointed out he allowed Clarke to play through advantage which was correct in my opinion, but the same should also have been done for O'Neill earlier. Other than that no real complaints.
Job done, now Tyrone vs. Derry, I reckon this one could be a bruiser depending on how the ref handles the game. Then just wait for the howls of "those who know best".
In the minors, Armagh just about deserved it I feel. Speaking to those in the know through schools football, there was no expectation on this Tyrone minor team to perform to the same heights as last year's. The full back line looked a bit suspect especially when they were stranded, while some of the forwards were too greedy and had little cohesion as a whole. Can't fault the placement of Armagh's two penalty kicks, but I feel the orchard boys as a whole have still plenty of work to do if they want to be achieving honours.
actually, a ref is supposed to blow the FIRST foul, no advantage to be given, this is what refs are instructed to do, hence what u just said wouldnt ever occur, as "playing an advantage" becomes a discretionary thing
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 31, 2009, 10:15:58 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on May 31, 2009, 06:45:22 PM
Meant to add I was once again not impressed with McEanney today who I thought was very inconsistent. As talked about earlier the brining back of the O Neill chance in the first half and the allowing play to go for Clarkes goal highlighted it perfectly. I dont think hes anywhere near as good as he was years ago and is certainly not the top referee in the country anymore. Although i accept I will probably not be in the majority on this one and his performance may next to know bearing on the result today
Just watching The Sunday Game. Cahill, McStay and Cinnéide were falling over themselves to praise McEnaney's game - Cahill was ready to give him man of the match. Mickey Harte was vocal in his praise also.
theres a good reason for that, cos he had a great game imo and thats from a tyrone persepective aswell. he was totally right in allowing clarke to go on and score because he had the advantage and to blow it up would be simply rewarding negative play. alright fair enough he didnt allow stevie the same luxury but that might not have been as clear. good perfromances from ref's is a rare so embrace it when it happens.
on another points, no way shpuld gormely have got motm, as much i think he's great, clarke got the better of him, shudve went to justy instead
Justy mc mahon superb.
Quote from: Big Mickey on May 31, 2009, 10:44:02 PM
on another points, no way shpuld gormely have got motm, as much i think he's great, clarke got the better of him, shudve went to justy instead
Was Clarke not held to one score (albeit a goal)? Surely that's a decent game for any defender.
RTÉ gave MOTM to Jordan.
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 31, 2009, 10:47:08 PM
Quote from: Big Mickey on May 31, 2009, 10:44:02 PM
on another points, no way shpuld gormely have got motm, as much i think he's great, clarke got the better of him, shudve went to justy instead
Was Clarke not held to one score (albeit a goal)? Surely that's a decent game for any defender.
RTÉ gave MOTM to Jordan.
Well who give it to gormley
BBC
Quote from: never kickt a ball on May 31, 2009, 09:19:01 PM
Quote from: Family guy on May 31, 2009, 09:18:30 PM
Who captained Tyrone 2day????
Ricey and he won the toss!
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45849000/jpg/_45849046_mcmenamin_mcdonnell.jpg)
In an unrelated point, I have a cousin who has learning difficulties.
Quote from: gerry on May 31, 2009, 10:59:24 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 31, 2009, 10:47:08 PM
Quote from: Big Mickey on May 31, 2009, 10:44:02 PM
on another points, no way shpuld gormely have got motm, as much i think he's great, clarke got the better of him, shudve went to justy instead
Was Clarke not held to one score (albeit a goal)? Surely that's a decent game for any defender.
RTÉ gave MOTM to Jordan.
Well who give it to gormley
I'm assuming Martin Mc Hugh and Jarlath Burns
That was a fairly typical Tyrone May performance. Ring-rusty, lacking sharpness - you know they'll improve. Most of the team played well at times although Penrose found it hard to get going. O'Neill's free taking was a bit off but, as is the sign of a great player, he didn't sink his head into his chest. That was a great battle between him and Mallon - reminded me of Canavan/McKeever.
The likes of Cavanagh, Gormley, Mugsy, Ricey etc played well at times but also had their hairy moments. I thought Mickey would have rotated Gormey off Clarke around 55-60 mins although Justy looked shot in that heat. That was a great run from McMahon when he outpaced O'Rourke. He's a splendid footballer. McGinley just oozes class and that game will bring them on. Dooher and O'Neill the defender did well when they came on. Harte and Jordan have started well although Davy can still find himself bottled up. PJ was assured.
I wasn't impressed with Armagh at all. I think if they meet a decent side first time out, it could be lights out for them. Tyrone had something like 20 scoring chances in the first half (seems a bit high, maybe I'm wrong there) and it could have been embarrassing for Armagh. They hung in because they were allowed to.
All-in-all, a good run out before the Derry game.
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on May 31, 2009, 11:02:13 PM
Quote from: gerry on May 31, 2009, 10:59:24 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 31, 2009, 10:47:08 PM
Quote from: Big Mickey on May 31, 2009, 10:44:02 PM
on another points, no way shpuld gormely have got motm, as much i think he's great, clarke got the better of him, shudve went to justy instead
Was Clarke not held to one score (albeit a goal)? Surely that's a decent game for any defender.
RTÉ gave MOTM to Jordan.
Well who give it to gormley
I'm assuming Martin Mc Hugh and Jarlath Burns
Enough said
A very enjoyable day out in Clones today, in the blistering sun. Burned to a crisp.
Tyrone showed flashes of brillances today, but a lot of work ahead of them for when they face Derry in three weeks times. Good clean football and none of the nonsense of last week.
I thought that Gormley had a good game today against Clarke, despite what Oak reckons :P
By the way, who was the boardie screaming at me today??
Best team won today, to be honest I'm very pleased with the Armagh lads who busted themselves to get that close. I thought Tyrone were 10 points better than us today and should have won by more.
I see someone said Hearty did well, are you f**king serious? He is terriblle, no way is he Armaghs best keeper.
I thought we looked rudderless to be honest, I would get rid of McDonnell right now to be honest if were going to do anything in the qualifiers. Obviously its not going to happen but he is not going to take that team anywhere.
Quote from: Ping Pong Santa on May 31, 2009, 11:12:36 PM
Best team won today, to be honest I'm very pleased with the Armagh lads who busted themselves to get that close. I thought Tyrone were 10 points better than us today and should have won by more.
I see someone said Hearty did well, are you f**king serious? He is terriblle, no way is he Armaghs best keeper.
I thought we looked rudderless to be honest, I would get rid of McDonnell right now to be honest if were going to do anything in the qualifiers. Obviously its not going to happen but he is not going to take that team anywhere.
I think Mc Geeney would be perfect for that Armagh team in a couple of years, he is merely cutting his teeth with Kildare, the team is still young but the potential is huge.
Quote from: ziggysego on May 31, 2009, 11:10:23 PM
A very enjoyable day out in Clones today, in the blistering sun. Burned to a crisp.
Tyrone showed flashes of brillances today, but a lot of work ahead of them for when they face Derry in three weeks times. Good clean football and none of the nonsense of last week.
I thought that Gormley had a good game today against Clarke, despite what Oak reckons :P
By the way, who was the boardie screaming at me today??
Did they call you a weirdo by chance?
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on May 31, 2009, 11:19:42 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on May 31, 2009, 11:10:23 PM
A very enjoyable day out in Clones today, in the blistering sun. Burned to a crisp.
Tyrone showed flashes of brillances today, but a lot of work ahead of them for when they face Derry in three weeks times. Good clean football and none of the nonsense of last week.
I thought that Gormley had a good game today against Clarke, despite what Oak reckons :P
By the way, who was the boardie screaming at me today??
Did they call you a weirdo by chance?
No, but another wee f**ker did and his father watched on laughing >:(
Better team won today but from an Armagh point of view we have a lot to look forward. If Vernon comes back in for the qualifiers, we have the best full forward in the country and Stevie will be better the next day.
On a side issue thought Kevin O'Rouke was unlucky to be subbed he was having a good day and looks a good prospect for the future.
Quote from: hardstation on May 31, 2009, 11:18:11 PM
Quote from: Ping Pong Santa on May 31, 2009, 11:12:36 PM
I see someone said Hearty did well, are you f**king serious? He is terriblle
I have to agree. Any time he got the ball, he hadn't a clue what he was at. More than this, the poor wee minor 'keeper must have read Hearty's goalkeeping manual on 'Dealing with a high ball'.
As in, how completely not to?
Quote from: ziggysego on May 31, 2009, 11:20:42 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on May 31, 2009, 11:19:42 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on May 31, 2009, 11:10:23 PM
A very enjoyable day out in Clones today, in the blistering sun. Burned to a crisp.
Tyrone showed flashes of brillances today, but a lot of work ahead of them for when they face Derry in three weeks times. Good clean football and none of the nonsense of last week.
I thought that Gormley had a good game today against Clarke, despite what Oak reckons :P
By the way, who was the boardie screaming at me today??
Did they call you a weirdo by chance?
No, but another wee f**ker did and his father watched on laughing >:(
I know . I was teasing. ;D
Seen your FB update.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on May 31, 2009, 11:22:51 PM
I know . I was teasing. ;D
Seen your FB update.
Ah, getcha :D
Quote from: Stevie Nicks on May 31, 2009, 11:21:39 PM
Better team won today but from an Armagh point of view we have a lot to look forward. If Vernon comes back in for the qualifiers, we have the best full forward in the country and Stevie will be better the next day.
On a side issue thought Kevin O'Rouke was unlucky to be subbed he was having a good day and looks a good prospect for the future.
Ronan Clarke is good don't get me wrong, but you are being just a bit biased with this one.
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on May 31, 2009, 11:38:16 PM
Quote from: Stevie Nicks on May 31, 2009, 11:21:39 PM
Better team won today but from an Armagh point of view we have a lot to look forward. If Vernon comes back in for the qualifiers, we have the best full forward in the country and Stevie will be better the next day.
On a side issue thought Kevin O'Rouke was unlucky to be subbed he was having a good day and looks a good prospect for the future.
Ronan Clarke is good don't get me wrong, but you are being just a bit biased with this one.
Ok there is no doubt I would be biased but in my opinion he is the best.
Gormley a good defender had to resort to constant fouling and got sent off, between Clarke and Donaghy as to best full forward and I think Clarkie edges it. My main point was we aren't too far off the mark with our current squad.
Quote from: Stevie Nicks on June 01, 2009, 01:02:42 AM
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on May 31, 2009, 11:38:16 PM
Quote from: Stevie Nicks on May 31, 2009, 11:21:39 PM
Better team won today but from an Armagh point of view we have a lot to look forward. If Vernon comes back in for the qualifiers, we have the best full forward in the country and Stevie will be better the next day.
On a side issue thought Kevin O'Rouke was unlucky to be subbed he was having a good day and looks a good prospect for the future.
Ronan Clarke is good don't get me wrong, but you are being just a bit biased with this one.
Ok there is no doubt I would be biased but in my opinion he is the best.
Gormley a good defender had to resort to constant fouling and got sent off, between Clarke and Donaghy as to best full forward and I think Clarkie edges it. My main point was we aren't too far off the mark with our current squad.
The fact you have Donaghy in the top weakens your argument, most half backs score more than Kieran Donaghy.
Yeah Clarke isn't even the best FF in Ulster as both SON and Paddy Bradley are better footballers. Fine player but he would need to be more consistent to be thought of alongside the 2 I've mentioned!
I think we won whilst not being at our best but a concern would be the first and last 15 of the game. Certainly a more potent attack than Armagh would have beaten Tyrone with a little burst at the end. Plenty of positives also and Armagh can take their fair share as well. My man on the match was Justy until he was removed. Thought the minors lost to a rather soft penalty - did anyone have a better view of it. Good intense first round game for both teams, Armagh with Vernon back are a dark horse for a semi final, I thought outside the obvious weaknesses that Armagh have come on something shocking from the league and last season.
Quote from: Ping Pong Santa on May 31, 2009, 11:12:36 PM
Best team won today, to be honest I'm very pleased with the Armagh lads who busted themselves to get that close. I thought Tyrone were 10 points better than us today and should have won by more.
I see someone said Hearty did well, are you f**king serious? He is terriblle, no way is he Armaghs best keeper.
I thought we looked rudderless to be honest, I would get rid of McDonnell right now to be honest if were going to do anything in the qualifiers. Obviously its not going to happen but he is not going to take that team anywhere.
This is a joke yes?? Whats the f**king deal with people clambering to get rid of managers halfway through the season, you have to let them finish what they started.
Though I guess you are just winding.
Quote from: Ping Pong Santa on May 31, 2009, 11:01:56 PM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on May 31, 2009, 09:19:01 PM
Quote from: Family guy on May 31, 2009, 09:18:30 PM
Who captained Tyrone 2day????
Ricey and he won the toss!
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45849000/jpg/_45849046_mcmenamin_mcdonnell.jpg)
In an unrelated point, I have a cousin who has learning difficulties.
Highly unfair, on your poor cousin.
Quote from: rrhf on June 01, 2009, 08:21:04 AM
I think we won whilst not being at our best but a concern would be the first and last 15 of the game. Certainly a more potent attack than Armagh would have beaten Tyrone with a little burst at the end. Plenty of positives also and Armagh can take their fair share as well. My man on the match was Justy until he was removed. Thought the minors lost to a rather soft penalty - did anyone have a better view of it. Good intense first round game for both teams, Armagh with Vernon back are a dark horse for a semi final, I thought outside the obvious weaknesses that Armagh have come on something shocking from the league and last season.
It was a pretty soft penalty, although it wasnt as soft as Tyrones Goal from 20-30 yards out, dipping into the net, i guess it sort of cancels each other out
On the senior game, im not that overly dissapointed, thought the lads give a good enough account of themselves. I honestly do think Hearty is a mine field, he doesnt seem to know what hes going to do and worst of all nonone else knows what hes going to do, (He reminds me of that crazy guy that does goals in that film Mean Machine).
I also thought Paul Duffy and Kevin O Rourke should feel agrieved about being called off, before MOR, he def should have been the first man called a shore, (btw when he actually was took off, everyone round me was cheering at the relief, so im assumming im not the only one here)
Thought Lavery done well, K Toner hardly touched leather and should have been taken off and Mc Kenna should have got a run,
Stevie frustrates the shite out of me, he got nearly every ball in front of Ricey but why why why was he reluctant to take him on and go round him, he was always looking for a pass, he has the ability and pace to take these men on but wouldnt.
Clarkie, i thought done well, took his goal fantastic, when the ball went in he didnt have any support,
but at least we will get another day out
Quote from: Onion Bag on June 01, 2009, 08:50:10 AM
On the senior game, im not that overly dissapointed, thought the lads give a good enough account of themselves. I honestly do think Hearty is a mine field, he doesnt seem to know what hes going to do and worst of all nonone else knows what hes going to do, (He reminds me of that crazy guy that does goals in that film Mean Machine).
I also thought Paul Duffy and Kevin O Rourke should feel agrieved about being called off, before MOR, he def should have been the first man called a shore, (btw when he actually was took off, everyone round me was cheering at the relief, so im assumming im not the only one here)
Thought Lavery done well, K Toner hardly touched leather and should have been taken off and Mc Kenna should have got a run,
Stevie frustrates the shite out of me, he got nearly every ball in front of Ricey but why why why was he reluctant to take him on and go round him, he was always looking for a pass, he has the ability and pace to take these men on but wouldnt.
Clarkie, i thought done well, took his goal fantastic, when the ball went in he didnt have any support,
but at least we will get another day out
When was the last time you seen him doing this regular?? Did he not do the same last year against Luke Howard
Thats my point, he doesnt do it and he should be,
the mcmahons were superb yesterday and justin would have been my motm.
o'neills point near the end was magical.
at this stage its better to win by just 3 points than by the 7 or 8 we should have. i remember in 2004 we give derry a hiding after winning the ai only for donegal to be waiting in the long grass in the semis.
Shows how far we have dropped when some people on here are happy that we didnt get beat by much :-\
Disappointed we didnt beat them as they were there for the taking.
Once we got back into the game we just werent able to kick on, dont know if it was lack of belief or lack of experience but we were just missing an ingredient.
In the first half we had 2 chances for goals. Both players opted for points when we should have went for the goal when we had the chance.
When O'Neill had the chance he only had one thought in his head.
Some very sloppy passing by both teams, especially in the first half.
KOR can count himself unlucky to be taken off so early in the game. Seems like Peter had his mind made up that he was taking him off no matter how he was playing. Not good
Justy Mc Mahon was my man of the match, he popped up everywhere, covered a hell of a lot of ground, P Jordan wasnt far behind him
Quote from: full back on June 01, 2009, 09:04:54 AM
Shows how far we have dropped when some people on here are happy that we didnt get beat by much :-\
Disappointed we didnt beat them as they were there for the taking.
Once we got back into the game we just werent able to kick on, dont know if it was lack of belief or lack of experience but we were just missing an ingredient.
In the first half we had 2 chances for goals. Both players opted for points when we should have went for the goal when we had the chance.
When O'Neill had the chance he only had one thought in his head.
Some very sloppy passing by both teams, especially in the first half.
KOR can count himself unlucky to be taken off so early in the game. Seems like Peter had his mind made up that he was taking him off no matter how he was playing. Not good
Its not like that Fullback, we were never going to win that game if you were honest, Tyrone always seemed to have another gear and got their scores a lot easier, we are not the team we were 3-4 years ago, and i thought the lads give a good account of themselves considering we were playing what a lot of people consider the best team in Ireland,
There were quite a number of dangerous high balls in today which Hearty dealt with well. His kick-outs were huge and all contested (none direct to a redhander). He didnt have much of a chance against the two goals, so on this occasion I'm giving hearty a thumbs up.
The sun must have distracted the Armagh minor keeper - it looked an easy enough ball to field.
Quote from: Onion Bag on June 01, 2009, 09:12:17 AM
Quote from: full back on June 01, 2009, 09:04:54 AM
Shows how far we have dropped when some people on here are happy that we didnt get beat by much :-\
Disappointed we didnt beat them as they were there for the taking.
Once we got back into the game we just werent able to kick on, dont know if it was lack of belief or lack of experience but we were just missing an ingredient.
In the first half we had 2 chances for goals. Both players opted for points when we should have went for the goal when we had the chance.
When O'Neill had the chance he only had one thought in his head.
Some very sloppy passing by both teams, especially in the first half.
KOR can count himself unlucky to be taken off so early in the game. Seems like Peter had his mind made up that he was taking him off no matter how he was playing. Not good
Its not like that Fullback, we were never going to win that game if you were honest, Tyrone always seemed to have another gear and got their scores a lot easier, we are not the team we were 3-4 years ago, and i thought the lads give a good account of themselves considering we were playing what a lot of people consider the best team in Ireland,
Why not?
If ever there was a chance to beat Tyrone, yesterday was it
Superb one-handed catch by Stephen O'Neill which led to his goal.
Quote from: Orior on June 01, 2009, 09:16:34 AM
Superb one-handed catch by Stephen O'Neill which led to his goal.
Very much so. Even moreimpressive as I honestly don't believe that was even a pass to him. :D
Quote from: ONeill on May 31, 2009, 11:08:14 PM
That was a fairly typical Tyrone May performance. Ring-rusty, lacking sharpness - you know they'll improve. Most of the team played well at times although Penrose found it hard to get going. O'Neill's free taking was a bit off but, as is the sign of a great player, he didn't sink his head into his chest. That was a great battle between him and Mallon - reminded me of Canavan/McKeever.
The likes of Cavanagh, Gormley, Mugsy, Ricey etc played well at times but also had their hairy moments. I thought Mickey would have rotated Gormey off Clarke around 55-60 mins although Justy looked shot in that heat. That was a great run from McMahon when he outpaced O'Rourke. He's a splendid footballer. McGinley just oozes class and that game will bring them on. Dooher and O'Neill the defender did well when they came on. Harte and Jordan have started well although Davy can still find himself bottled up. PJ was assured.
I wasn't impressed with Armagh at all. I think if they meet a decent side first time out, it could be lights out for them. Tyrone had something like 20 scoring chances in the first half (seems a bit high, maybe I'm wrong there) and it could have been embarrassing for Armagh. They hung in because they were allowed to.
All-in-all, a good run out before the Derry game.
I would agree with that, Armagh may have finished within three points of the all ireland champions but we never really looked like being closer. Tyrone always seemed to have a higher gear and what we have to remember is that as previous years tend to show this may well have been a Tyrone team that is not even close to its best, with a lot of room for improvement. As a lot have said if we were going to take Tyrone at any stage this year then it was this game. As we didnt manage it, it seems highly unlikely we will be able to do it later in the championship and now it looks like we are out of the only tournament we might have a chance of winning this year.
As far as the referee went yesterday, I have no problem that he got decisions wrong but Jarlath Burns in attempting to praise him, showed exactly what was wrong with yesterdays performance. Burns said in relation to the Clarke goal something along the lines of "that was great refereeing the way he allowed the advantage there, theres nothing about that in the rule book but hes playing to his own rules there." Any referee playing to their own rules in order to let a game flow is not a good referee as there always going to be inconsistent (the calling back of the O'Neill chance the prime example of that inconsistency). Yesterday I can think of 4 or 5 times when the referee decided something was a foul but when the same thing happened later in the game decided it wasnt or vice versa. Again though I am one of these people who doesnt think a referees job is to let a game flow but rather to enforce (as near as possible to how they are written) the rules others disagree. I would much rather have a referee who enforces the rules consistently than one who lets the game flow.
Quote from: Onion Bag on June 01, 2009, 08:50:10 AM
MOR, he def should have been the first man called a shore, (btw when he actually was took off, everyone round me was cheering at the relief, so im assumming im not the only one here)
Anyone who actually "cheers with relief" is not a supporter of Armagh and nothing more than a gobshite. He was nowhere near as bad as people are making out anyway, SK gave four balls away in the time he was on the field yet plenty are saying he did well. Go figure.
Heart was poor. A few of the high balls he dealt with were purely down to luck. Penrose, the smallest man, pushed one against his head. God knows what jhe was doing with the flick up. I don;t know, never thought he was great, still don't. McEvoy and McKinney are the best two keepers in the county by a distance.
Mallon had a hard day, partly at fault for both goals.
Donaghy is a class act,thi man will be a star.
The game passed Shannon and Penrose by, which, for a debut, would suit Shannon. He dealt well with the ball when it came their way. Steady and decent debut.
Aaron - poor by his standards. Gave as much ball away as anyone, especially in first 20 minutes. FKs were flawless as usual.
McKeever - very impressive second half. Need to get him on the all as much as possible.
Finn Mo - not great, couple f nice runs up field though.
Toner - never imposed, but did his fair share.
Lavery - Delighted for him. Great first half.
Mallon - Two points from play and a busy performance. Good sign.
MOR - Nowhere near as bad as people made out. Plenty of poor passes but was directly involved in about 1-4. As for the "skinning" from McMahon's run. Watch it again and Marty is obviously favouring the ankle he hurt minutes previous, so I wouldn; be too bothered.
Duffy - Couldn;t get into the game.
O'Rourke - thought he was doing well. Smart passing.
Clarke - quiet bar 15 minutes, yet totally destroyed Gormely in that spell.
McDonnelll - Poor, poor game. Needs to stay at the posts.
David McKeown, I would agree with what you said regarding the ref blowing up for a foul for one incident while not blowing again for the same incident later on. I thought the ref gave Armagh alot of handy frees in the 2nd half, he seemed to be giving frees for any type of minimal unlawful contact yet further out the field Tyrone players were taking shipping alot more yet were not getting frees.
Quote from: Orior on June 01, 2009, 09:12:30 AM
There were quite a number of dangerous high balls in today which Hearty dealt with well. His kick-outs were huge and all contested (none direct to a redhander). He didnt have much of a chance against the two goals, so on this occasion I'm giving hearty a thumbs up.
The sun must have distracted the Armagh minor keeper - it looked an easy enough ball to field.
Don't know about that Orior. He kicked one straight over the end line immediately after conceding the 14 yard free and I remember another kick out that he landed over the top of the Armagh midfield and straight to the Tyrone half back line for an easy catch. Those were the 2 that stuck out for me though to be fair if the rest of the kick outs were ok, its not a terrible return.
You can still get SON at 14/1 to be Footballer of the Year...
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i thought mceneaney gave armagh frees a lot easier when they were far behind in an attempt to 'make a game of it'. this really annoys me to be honest. he should never have a bearing on it. armagh looked dangerous for a little spell but tyrone should have been out of sight at half time without playing particularly well. poorest armagh team in a while but some bright points.
Whats the bets Armagh Down meet in the qualifiers then?!?
My thoughts, for what it's worth!
Good decision to bring on SK when he did. The game was stretched which suits him & whatever about his lack of ball winning attributes... he is a good distributer & when opens the legs he can carry the ball into the opposition half well.
I would have liked to have seen the midfield freshened up in the 2nd half with McKenna... think Lavery put in a fine shift, but was punctured at the end which showed from that shot.
I can't understand the introduction of Aidan O'Rourke when chasing the game. If we were ahead, then maybe he would help, bringing that bit of experience, coolness & distribution to the team... yesterday we needed fresh legs, pace... it was a time for the young fellas!
It's funny how people's views of the games differ... I thought Stevie had a fine game, & I'd use him at centre forward these days (ala P Joyce) His distribution is good, as he knows the type of ball he would like!
MOR is a dilemma. We need him. He was on the ball more than any other Armagh player yesterday. But he needs to practice his kicking, both shooting & passing. Maybe he should be winning & laying it off simple... preferably to a half back running at pace!
I think if Armagh's half forward line is going to come so deep, then wee need more attacking from our defenders, much like Tyrone actually.
I thought Ciaran McKeever was a bit wasted on mugsy, who is not the player he used to be... Finn Mo could have handled him, with McKeever playing his natural CB position or marking O'Neill (who was just that bit strong for Andy Mallon, yet did an admirable job on him.)
Pleased for Brendan Donaghy, who had a great tussle with Sean Cav all day.
A bit of a run in the qualifiers will do this young team the world of good!
I thought McEvoy deserved to start based on his previous performances. Hearty did not do too bad having said that.
I thought the full back line did very well, Andy was unfortunate for the goal, it was a miss hit shot, followed by some real magic from O'Neill.
I was disappointed during the week with the team, Duffy is a good player, but he is a half back, MOR plays as a half back, which left Mallon carrying the HFL on his own, at which he did his best. This resulted in Clarke and McDonnell having to run miles to look for untidy ball.
I think for the several news faces in I was very disappointed by the performances of some of the old hands, namely; A.Kernan, MOR and Stevie.
I am sure they will be back to their best next match.
I felt Tyrone were much the better side, the fact they did not beat us by more was more to do with their play than ours.
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 01, 2009, 08:28:03 AM
Quote from: Ping Pong Santa on May 31, 2009, 11:12:36 PM
Best team won today, to be honest I'm very pleased with the Armagh lads who busted themselves to get that close. I thought Tyrone were 10 points better than us today and should have won by more.
I see someone said Hearty did well, are you f**king serious? He is terriblle, no way is he Armaghs best keeper.
I thought we looked rudderless to be honest, I would get rid of McDonnell right now to be honest if were going to do anything in the qualifiers. Obviously its not going to happen but he is not going to take that team anywhere.
This is a joke yes?? Whats the f**king deal with people clambering to get rid of managers halfway through the season, you have to let them finish what they started.
Though I guess you are just winding.
Shouldn't have been there in the first place. Everyone in Armagh deep down knows that. Some might not admit it out loud but there was a better option and that got f***ed up.
Quote from: corn02 on June 01, 2009, 09:36:46 AM
Quote from: Onion Bag on June 01, 2009, 08:50:10 AM
MOR, he def should have been the first man called a shore, (btw when he actually was took off, everyone round me was cheering at the relief, so im assumming im not the only one here)
Anyone who actually "cheers with relief" is not a supporter of Armagh and nothing more than a gobshite. He was nowhere near as bad as people are making out anyway, SK gave four balls away in the time he was on the field yet plenty are saying he did well. Go figure.
Heart was poor. A few of the high balls he dealt with were purely down to luck. Penrose, the smallest man, pushed one against his head. God knows what jhe was doing with the flick up. I don;t know, never thought he was great, still don't. McEvoy and McKinney are the best two keepers in the county by a distance.
Mallon had a hard day, partly at fault for both goals.
Donaghy is a class act,thi man will be a star.
The game passed Shannon and Penrose by, which, for a debut, would suit Shannon. He dealt well with the ball when it came their way. Steady and decent debut.
Aaron - poor by his standards. Gave as much ball away as anyone, especially in first 20 minutes. FKs were flawless as usual.
McKeever - very impressive second half. Need to get him on the all as much as possible.
Finn Mo - not great, couple f nice runs up field though.
Toner - never imposed, but did his fair share.
Lavery - Delighted for him. Great first half.
Mallon - Two points from play and a busy performance. Good sign.
MOR - Nowhere near as bad as people made out. Plenty of poor passes but was directly involved in about 1-4. As for the "skinning" from McMahon's run. Watch it again and Marty is obviously favouring the ankle he hurt minutes previous, so I wouldn; be too bothered.
Duffy - Couldn;t get into the game.
O'Rourke - thought he was doing well. Smart passing.
Clarke - quiet bar 15 minutes, yet totally destroyed Gormely in that spell.
McDonnelll - Poor, poor game. Needs to stay at the posts.
I have to completely disagree with you Corn, McMahon was involved in at least 1-6 of tyrones scores and absolutely roasted MOR every time he attacked, the pass for Clarke's goal came when he was in an acre of space having not in anyway followed his man who had been making life difficult for the Armagh defence immediately prior to the Armagh goal. MOR had an extremely poor game and I would usually be one of his biggest fans. Yesterday was not the game for him. The fact that McMahon had such a good game and that PMCD seemed totally unable to deal with the problem compounded things but MOR was still imo very very poor yesterday. I suppose though it shows the differences in opinions as I thought Andy Mallon had a very good game
Quote from: Benny Barnaveld on June 01, 2009, 10:01:53 AM
I thought McEvoy deserved to start based on his previous performances. Hearty did not do too bad having said that.
I thought the full back line did very well, Andy was unfortunate for the goal, it was a miss hit shot, followed by some real magic from O'Neill.
I was disappointed during the week with the team, Duffy is a good player, but he is a half back, MOR plays as a half back, which left Mallon carrying the HFL on his own, at which he did his best. This resulted in Clarke and McDonnell having to run miles to look for untidy ball.
I think for the several news faces in I was very disappointed by the performances of some of the old hands, namely; A.Kernan, MOR and Stevie.
I am sure they will be back to their best next match.
I felt Tyrone were much the better side, the fact they did not beat us by more was more to do with their play than ours.
Hearty has always been a bit of a liability. Yesterday proved that. Fair enough he did block the ball out well after dropping the ball once but there was too many unforced errors. It has been bad management letting McKinney leave. I hope the other keeper on the panel is not treated in the same way. Two years ago in Ballybofey, if McKinney had have been doin nets against Donegal and dropped the ball in the net he would have been dropped for the next game. Some players seem to be untouchable on the Armagh team
Quote from: corn02 on June 01, 2009, 09:36:46 AM
Heart was poor. A few of the high balls he dealt with were purely down to luck. Penrose, the smallest man, pushed one against his head. God knows what jhe was doing with the flick up. I don;t know, never thought he was great, still don't. McEvoy and McKinney are the best two keepers in the county by a distance.
if i was peter mcdonnell last night i'd be straight on to the blower to ciaran mckinney, a 100% reliable man.
Quote from: ogshead on June 01, 2009, 10:04:05 AM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 01, 2009, 08:28:03 AM
Quote from: Ping Pong Santa on May 31, 2009, 11:12:36 PM
Best team won today, to be honest I'm very pleased with the Armagh lads who busted themselves to get that close. I thought Tyrone were 10 points better than us today and should have won by more.
I see someone said Hearty did well, are you f**king serious? He is terriblle, no way is he Armaghs best keeper.
I thought we looked rudderless to be honest, I would get rid of McDonnell right now to be honest if were going to do anything in the qualifiers. Obviously its not going to happen but he is not going to take that team anywhere.
This is a joke yes?? Whats the f**king deal with people clambering to get rid of managers halfway through the season, you have to let them finish what they started.
Though I guess you are just winding.
Shouldn't have been there in the first place. Everyone in Armagh deep down knows that. Some might not admit it out loud but there was a better option and that got f***ed up.
You think it would be fair to bring someone in halfway through the summer then??!
Who you want then to do the job?
Quote from: Abble on June 01, 2009, 10:10:16 AM
Quote from: corn02 on June 01, 2009, 09:36:46 AM
Heart was poor. A few of the high balls he dealt with were purely down to luck. Penrose, the smallest man, pushed one against his head. God knows what jhe was doing with the flick up. I don;t know, never thought he was great, still don't. McEvoy and McKinney are the best two keepers in the county by a distance.
if i was peter mcdonnell last night i'd be straight on to the blower to ciaran mckinney, a 100% reliable man.
Great keeper alrite, but also a very smart guy & not going down with a sinking ship
can anyone post the player ratings from the irish news?
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 01, 2009, 10:12:26 AM
Quote from: ogshead on June 01, 2009, 10:04:05 AM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 01, 2009, 08:28:03 AM
Quote from: Ping Pong Santa on May 31, 2009, 11:12:36 PM
Best team won today, to be honest I'm very pleased with the Armagh lads who busted themselves to get that close. I thought Tyrone were 10 points better than us today and should have won by more.
I see someone said Hearty did well, are you f**king serious? He is terriblle, no way is he Armaghs best keeper.
I thought we looked rudderless to be honest, I would get rid of McDonnell right now to be honest if were going to do anything in the qualifiers. Obviously its not going to happen but he is not going to take that team anywhere.
This is a joke yes?? Whats the f**king deal with people clambering to get rid of managers halfway through the season, you have to let them finish what they started.
Though I guess you are just winding.
Shouldn't have been there in the first place. Everyone in Armagh deep down knows that. Some might not admit it out loud but there was a better option and that got f***ed up.
You think it would be fair to bring someone in halfway through the summer then??!
Who you want then to do the job?
No I don't think it would be wise to change in the middle of the season, if you had read my post correctly you would have noticed I said he shouldn't have been there in the first place
Quote from: Abble on June 01, 2009, 10:10:16 AM
Quote from: corn02 on June 01, 2009, 09:36:46 AM
Heart was poor. A few of the high balls he dealt with were purely down to luck. Penrose, the smallest man, pushed one against his head. God knows what jhe was doing with the flick up. I don;t know, never thought he was great, still don't. McEvoy and McKinney are the best two keepers in the county by a distance.
if i was peter mcdonnell last night i'd be straight on to the blower to ciaran mckinney, a 100% reliable man.
There is a much better keeper on the bench. To be honest I would love to see McKinney and McEvoy fight it out for the spot. We have two of the best keepers in the country and between them they have played about five championship games if even.
QuoteYou think it would be fair to bring someone in halfway through the summer then??!
Who you want then to do the job?
Halfway through the summer?
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on June 01, 2009, 10:20:57 AM
can anyone post the player ratings from the irish news?
Ratings by Eamonn O' Hara & Paddy HeaneyTYRONE RATINGSJohn Devine: Put one kick-out over the sideline in the first half. Seemed to be beaten by the sheer velocity of Clarke's shot. 6
PJ Quinn: Won his duel against Kevin O'Rourke, but had slightly more difficulty with Tony Kernan. 6
Conor Gormley: Gormley's goal left Armagh dazed, but he also had a hand in Armagh's first goal. He was rounded by Clarke before the Pearse Og man bagged Armagh's three-pointer and he also conceded a few frees. Lucky not to get a second yellow earlier. 7.5
Ryan McMenamin: Steven McDonnell's movement caused trouble for the stand-in captain, but Ricey's tight marking ensured the Armagh forward was never presented with an easy scoring chance. 7.5
Davy Harte: Harte's poorly struck shot was caught by Stephen O'Neill, who created a goal from nothing. Was always comfortable against Paul Duffy, but wasn't as dominant against Stephen Kernan. 6.5
Justin McMahon: Caught the eye with stylish runs up the field, but his man, Martin O'Rourke, caused considerable damage. He delivered the ball for Clarke's goal and assisted for two other points. 6
Philip Jordan: The Moy man was forced to run down a few cul de sacs by Armagh. However, he marked Brian Mallon and did a sound job. 6.5
Kevin Hughes: Lost aerial duel to the towering James Lavery. Yet Hughes, as ever, battled gamely and ensured that Tyrone weren't out-muscled. 6
Enda McGinley: Marked the taller Kieran Toner, but was by no means embarrassed under the high ball. Should have clipped over an easy point in the first half, but opted to pass to O'Neill. 6
Tommy McGuigan: Two wides in the first half and missed a free in the second half. Made no headway against Aaron Kernan. Replaced by Brian Dooher. 5
Sean Cavanagh: The Moy man didn't show the form which made him undisputed Footballer of the Year. Still managed to launch over an inspirational point in the first half and finished the game with 0-2 – not a decent haul for a man who is not at his best. 6.5
Joe McMahon: Maybe the beard did contribute to Joe's epic displays last summer. Covered the ground at half-forward, but not at his sharpest. Lofted over a 45. Finished the game at full-forward and provided the assist for O'Neill's last point. 6
Stephen O'Neill (Starman)
O'Neill's goal perfectly illustrated why Mickey Harte was so keen to have the Clan na nGael man in his starting line-up. There was little between the sides when O'Neill made and finished the goal from a half chance. His strike put Tyrone in command.
His beautiful point in the closing minutes sealed the victory. 8
Martin Penrose: Made a shaky start with a few errors and nervous handling. His tireless running caused the Armagh defence some problems. He won a free which was converted by O'Neill. 5.5
Owen Mulligan: Failed to adapt to his new role further out field. Posted two wides and put another shot into Hearty's hands. Moved to the full-forward line in the second half and scored a point. 6
Substitutes
Brian Dooher: Tyrone will be in trouble the day they have to win a game without this incredible man. His point was pure Dooher. 7
Colm Cavanagh: Replaced Martin Penrose. Won some possession and claimed a remarkable catch at midfield. After spilling the ball, he caught it again while lying outstretched on the ground. 6
Sean O'Neill: Close to a starting place. Came on to keep a tighter rein on Martin O'Rourke. Did well. 7
Niall Gormley: Not on long enough to be rated
Colin Holmes: Not on long enough to be rated
ARMAGH RATINGSPaul Hearty: Lived dangerously, handling slips cost a 13m free scored from and a couple of 45s. Unsteady and some way short of his best. 5
Ciaran McKeever: A performance of composed authority, the team captain operated firstly from right back, tracking Mulligan. Marshalled defence from centre-half and put in a strong display. 7
Brendan Donaghy: A solid, impressive contribution, keeping close tabs on Cavanagh, coped well and when more advanced second half got some decent ball into the forward line. 6.5
Andy Mallon: Given the task of shadowing O'Neill.
A fairly even contest for periods in the game, but was caught out by O'Neill for Tyrone's first goal and a couple of stunning points. 6
Barry Shannon: While named at left back, played left-half to mark Penrose. Neither had a big influence and more or less broke even. 5
Aaron Kernan: As always, covered a lot of yardage, did not allow McGuigan to get into his stride, forced turnovers and capped his industry with three converted frees. 7
Finnian Moriarty: Given a difficult time by Joe McMahon. Struggled to bring quality to his game, with possession often misplaced. Below-par. 5
Kieran Toner: Armagh midfield performed well, particularly first half and in the closing stages. A lot of ball was broken for others. Tough Toner's influenced was less effective than Lavery. 6.5
James Lavery: A powerful contribution, fisted a lot of possession for half-backs and half-forwards to snap up. Strong runs and limited the impact of Hughes. 7
Brian Mallon: Bristled with lively industry all through. Worked so hard back and forward to try and link play. Terrific contest with Jordan and scored a good point either half. 7
Martin O'Rourke: For the first 25 minutes of his battle with Justin McMahon, O'Rourke anticipated sharper, won possession time and again and brought McDonnell into the game. It may not have been always used well, but O'Rourke's tireless work and fine positional play excelled until he'd run himself to a knackered standstill. 7.5
Paul Duffy: Arduous task of keeping up with the dynamic Harte. Plenty of effort, but Harte too often found space to link defence and attack. 5.5
Kevin O'Rourke: Bright and busy first half, showed a good turn of foot to test Quinn and set up chances but also wasteful with opportunities of his own. Quinn eventually nullified his threat. 5.5
Ronan Clarke: A cracking goal brought Armagh back from the brink of a heavy defeat. Physical battle with Gormley made for compelling viewing. Lack of quality ball made life difficult and too often frustrating. 6.5
Steven McDonnell: Given a fair amount of possession, especially early on, but bar one excellent score set up by O'Rourke, was not able to do much with it. Well contained by McMenamin. 5.5
Substitutes
Stephen Kernan: Used possession well when introduced and, in the latter stages, could not be faulted for launching plenty of high ball in around the house'. 6
Tony Kernan: Unable to greatly influence and picked up a late caution. 5
Stefan Forker: Scored a fine point, plenty of industry. 5.5
Aidan O'Rourke: Not on long enough to be rated.
Quote from: David McKeown on June 01, 2009, 10:05:11 AM
Quote from: corn02 on June 01, 2009, 09:36:46 AM
Quote from: Onion Bag on June 01, 2009, 08:50:10 AM
MOR, he def should have been the first man called a shore, (btw when he actually was took off, everyone round me was cheering at the relief, so im assumming im not the only one here)
Anyone who actually "cheers with relief" is not a supporter of Armagh and nothing more than a gobshite. He was nowhere near as bad as people are making out anyway, SK gave four balls away in the time he was on the field yet plenty are saying he did well. Go figure.
Heart was poor. A few of the high balls he dealt with were purely down to luck. Penrose, the smallest man, pushed one against his head. God knows what jhe was doing with the flick up. I don;t know, never thought he was great, still don't. McEvoy and McKinney are the best two keepers in the county by a distance.
Mallon had a hard day, partly at fault for both goals.
Donaghy is a class act,thi man will be a star.
The game passed Shannon and Penrose by, which, for a debut, would suit Shannon. He dealt well with the ball when it came their way. Steady and decent debut.
Aaron - poor by his standards. Gave as much ball away as anyone, especially in first 20 minutes. FKs were flawless as usual.
McKeever - very impressive second half. Need to get him on the all as much as possible.
Finn Mo - not great, couple f nice runs up field though.
Toner - never imposed, but did his fair share.
Lavery - Delighted for him. Great first half.
Mallon - Two points from play and a busy performance. Good sign.
MOR - Nowhere near as bad as people made out. Plenty of poor passes but was directly involved in about 1-4. As for the "skinning" from McMahon's run. Watch it again and Marty is obviously favouring the ankle he hurt minutes previous, so I wouldn; be too bothered.
Duffy - Couldn;t get into the game.
O'Rourke - thought he was doing well. Smart passing.
Clarke - quiet bar 15 minutes, yet totally destroyed Gormely in that spell.
McDonnelll - Poor, poor game. Needs to stay at the posts.
I have to completely disagree with you Corn, McMahon was involved in at least 1-6 of tyrones scores and absolutely roasted MOR every time he attacked, the pass for Clarke's goal came when he was in an acre of space having not in anyway followed his man who had been making life difficult for the Armagh defence immediately prior to the Armagh goal. MOR had an extremely poor game and I would usually be one of his biggest fans. Yesterday was not the game for him. The fact that McMahon had such a good game and that PMCD seemed totally unable to deal with the problem compounded things but MOR was still imo very very poor yesterday. I suppose though it shows the differences in opinions as I thought Andy Mallon had a very good game
Fair David, I am not saying he played well, just think he was better than people are making out, certainly not bad enough that people cheered when he went off - anyone who did that is a w**ker in my eyes.
Quote from: David McKeown on June 01, 2009, 10:05:11 AM
Quote from: corn02 on June 01, 2009, 09:36:46 AM
Quote from: Onion Bag on June 01, 2009, 08:50:10 AM
MOR, he def should have been the first man called a shore, (btw when he actually was took off, everyone round me was cheering at the relief, so im assumming im not the only one here)
Anyone who actually "cheers with relief" is not a supporter of Armagh and nothing more than a gobshite. He was nowhere near as bad as people are making out anyway, SK gave four balls away in the time he was on the field yet plenty are saying he did well. Go figure.
Heart was poor. A few of the high balls he dealt with were purely down to luck. Penrose, the smallest man, pushed one against his head. God knows what jhe was doing with the flick up. I don;t know, never thought he was great, still don't. McEvoy and McKinney are the best two keepers in the county by a distance.
Mallon had a hard day, partly at fault for both goals.
Donaghy is a class act,thi man will be a star.
The game passed Shannon and Penrose by, which, for a debut, would suit Shannon. He dealt well with the ball when it came their way. Steady and decent debut.
Aaron - poor by his standards. Gave as much ball away as anyone, especially in first 20 minutes. FKs were flawless as usual.
McKeever - very impressive second half. Need to get him on the all as much as possible.
Finn Mo - not great, couple f nice runs up field though.
Toner - never imposed, but did his fair share.
Lavery - Delighted for him. Great first half.
Mallon - Two points from play and a busy performance. Good sign.
MOR - Nowhere near as bad as people made out. Plenty of poor passes but was directly involved in about 1-4. As for the "skinning" from McMahon's run. Watch it again and Marty is obviously favouring the ankle he hurt minutes previous, so I wouldn; be too bothered.
Duffy - Couldn;t get into the game.
O'Rourke - thought he was doing well. Smart passing.
Clarke - quiet bar 15 minutes, yet totally destroyed Gormely in that spell.
McDonnelll - Poor, poor game. Needs to stay at the posts.
I have to completely disagree with you Corn, McMahon was involved in at least 1-6 of tyrones scores and absolutely roasted MOR every time he attacked, the pass for Clarke's goal came when he was in an acre of space having not in anyway followed his man who had been making life difficult for the Armagh defence immediately prior to the Armagh goal. MOR had an extremely poor game and I would usually be one of his biggest fans. Yesterday was not the game for him. The fact that McMahon had such a good game and that PMCD seemed totally unable to deal with the problem compounded things but MOR was still imo very very poor yesterday. I suppose though it shows the differences in opinions as I thought Andy Mallon had a very good game
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Marty's problem is he's carrying to much weight & when you look at aidan, infact all them lads they are naturally heavy. That said Marty is a brilliant break ball winner & did an excellent job in this department, but like in club football, he can't score and kicks away vital possession if this is evident at club level your not gonna do it at inter county level. Can't understand why he took off young O'Rourke seemed to be the only threat they had as Clarke couldn't stand on his feet and Stevie was having to come out looking for ball due to the fact the half forward line was non existent.
Facts are lads, McDonald hasn't got it and this was clear when it took him 15mins into the 2nd half to make a change, when the gaps opening in Armagh would have let 10 tankers in. They will probably do OK in the qualifers, but the best thing that will come out of it is that McDonald will be forced out and either Grimley or Geezer or both will slot in, but I'd say for that to happen the county board would need a re-shake and some of the dead wood moved on.
There is the bones of another great team are there for Armagh, if they are handled correctly & the above are the folk to bring the best out.
Quote from: corn02 on June 01, 2009, 10:30:41 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on June 01, 2009, 10:05:11 AM
Quote from: corn02 on June 01, 2009, 09:36:46 AM
Quote from: Onion Bag on June 01, 2009, 08:50:10 AM
MOR, he def should have been the first man called a shore, (btw when he actually was took off, everyone round me was cheering at the relief, so im assumming im not the only one here)
Anyone who actually "cheers with relief" is not a supporter of Armagh and nothing more than a gobshite. He was nowhere near as bad as people are making out anyway, SK gave four balls away in the time he was on the field yet plenty are saying he did well. Go figure.
Heart was poor. A few of the high balls he dealt with were purely down to luck. Penrose, the smallest man, pushed one against his head. God knows what jhe was doing with the flick up. I don;t know, never thought he was great, still don't. McEvoy and McKinney are the best two keepers in the county by a distance.
Mallon had a hard day, partly at fault for both goals.
Donaghy is a class act,thi man will be a star.
The game passed Shannon and Penrose by, which, for a debut, would suit Shannon. He dealt well with the ball when it came their way. Steady and decent debut.
Aaron - poor by his standards. Gave as much ball away as anyone, especially in first 20 minutes. FKs were flawless as usual.
McKeever - very impressive second half. Need to get him on the all as much as possible.
Finn Mo - not great, couple f nice runs up field though.
Toner - never imposed, but did his fair share.
Lavery - Delighted for him. Great first half.
Mallon - Two points from play and a busy performance. Good sign.
MOR - Nowhere near as bad as people made out. Plenty of poor passes but was directly involved in about 1-4. As for the "skinning" from McMahon's run. Watch it again and Marty is obviously favouring the ankle he hurt minutes previous, so I wouldn; be too bothered.
Duffy - Couldn;t get into the game.
O'Rourke - thought he was doing well. Smart passing.
Clarke - quiet bar 15 minutes, yet totally destroyed Gormely in that spell.
McDonnelll - Poor, poor game. Needs to stay at the posts.
I have to completely disagree with you Corn, McMahon was involved in at least 1-6 of tyrones scores and absolutely roasted MOR every time he attacked, the pass for Clarke's goal came when he was in an acre of space having not in anyway followed his man who had been making life difficult for the Armagh defence immediately prior to the Armagh goal. MOR had an extremely poor game and I would usually be one of his biggest fans. Yesterday was not the game for him. The fact that McMahon had such a good game and that PMCD seemed totally unable to deal with the problem compounded things but MOR was still imo very very poor yesterday. I suppose though it shows the differences in opinions as I thought Andy Mallon had a very good game
Fair David, I am not saying he played well, just think he was better than people are making out, certainly not bad enough that people cheered when he went off - anyone who did that is a w**ker in my eyes.
I did not cheer the sub. But there most have been several thousand of this people in CLones yesterday.
I would say too the reaction was more for McDonnell finally making the change as oppossed to decoratory towards MOR
Quote from: David McKeown on June 01, 2009, 10:05:11 AM
Quote from: corn02 on June 01, 2009, 09:36:46 AM
Quote from: Onion Bag on June 01, 2009, 08:50:10 AM
MOR, he def should have been the first man called a shore, (btw when he actually was took off, everyone round me was cheering at the relief, so im assumming im not the only one here)
Anyone who actually "cheers with relief" is not a supporter of Armagh and nothing more than a gobshite. He was nowhere near as bad as people are making out anyway, SK gave four balls away in the time he was on the field yet plenty are saying he did well. Go figure.
Heart was poor. A few of the high balls he dealt with were purely down to luck. Penrose, the smallest man, pushed one against his head. God knows what jhe was doing with the flick up. I don;t know, never thought he was great, still don't. McEvoy and McKinney are the best two keepers in the county by a distance.
Mallon had a hard day, partly at fault for both goals.
Donaghy is a class act,thi man will be a star.
The game passed Shannon and Penrose by, which, for a debut, would suit Shannon. He dealt well with the ball when it came their way. Steady and decent debut.
Aaron - poor by his standards. Gave as much ball away as anyone, especially in first 20 minutes. FKs were flawless as usual.
McKeever - very impressive second half. Need to get him on the all as much as possible.
Finn Mo - not great, couple f nice runs up field though.
Toner - never imposed, but did his fair share.
Lavery - Delighted for him. Great first half.
Mallon - Two points from play and a busy performance. Good sign.
MOR - Nowhere near as bad as people made out. Plenty of poor passes but was directly involved in about 1-4. As for the "skinning" from McMahon's run. Watch it again and Marty is obviously favouring the ankle he hurt minutes previous, so I wouldn; be too bothered.
Duffy - Couldn;t get into the game.
O'Rourke - thought he was doing well. Smart passing.
Clarke - quiet bar 15 minutes, yet totally destroyed Gormely in that spell.
McDonnelll - Poor, poor game. Needs to stay at the posts.
I have to completely disagree with you Corn, McMahon was involved in at least 1-6 of tyrones scores and absolutely roasted MOR every time he attacked, the pass for Clarke's goal came when he was in an acre of space having not in anyway followed his man who had been making life difficult for the Armagh defence immediately prior to the Armagh goal. MOR had an extremely poor game and I would usually be one of his biggest fans. Yesterday was not the game for him. The fact that McMahon had such a good game and that PMCD seemed totally unable to deal with the problem compounded things but MOR was still imo very very poor yesterday. I suppose though it shows the differences in opinions as I thought Andy Mallon had a very good game
Marty's problem is he's carrying to much weight & when you look at aidan, infact all them lads they are naturally heavy. That said Marty is a brilliant break ball winner & did an excellent job in this department, but like in club football, he can't score and kicks away vital possession if this is evident at club level your not gonna do it at inter county level. Can't understand why he took off young O'Rourke seemed to be the only threat they had as Clarke couldn't stand on his feet and Stevie was having to come out looking for ball due to the fact the half forward line was non existent.
Facts are lads, McDonald hasn't got it and this was clear when it took him 15mins into the 2nd half to make a change, when the gaps opening in Armagh would have let 10 tankers in. They will probably do OK in the qualifers, but the best thing that will come out of it is that McDonald will be forced out and either Grimley or Geezer or both will slot in, but I'd say for that to happen the county board would need a re-shake and some of the dead wood moved on.
There is the bones of another great team are there for Armagh, if they are handled correctly & the above are the folk to bring the best out.
The thing that amazes me is how guys have such a different opinion on a player, some guys here claim a certain fella done well then another guy will say "he was sh*te" i can't believe the difference of opinion ??? ??? ???
Anyway it's time to start attacking teams and F**k this defensive half forward line, I'm sick of seeing this gap of about 80m from the midfield to our full forward line. Our biggest problems is we don't have the players to fill the position so I'm gonna go with this...(although i still think I've a touch of sun stroke from yesterday)
McEvoy
A Mallon
K Toner
Finn Mo or B Shannon
A Kernan
B Donaghy
K Mc Keever
J Lavery
C Vernon
D McKenna
B Mallon
S McDonnell
S Forker
R Clarke
R Henderson or K O'Rourke
Wasn't sure about Toner and Donaghy regarding positions but i think Lavery sitting and holding the midfield and let Vernon and McKenna bomb forward with Mallon and S McDonnell on the 40 for support and to run onto ball from the full forward line...Maybe too much sun yesterday but we need to play attacking football. That team may be a bit unfair on a few players i.e. MOR who had a below par game yesterday, maybe he doesn't deserve to be dropped because of one poor outting???
I actually thought MOR had a good game yesterday, was picking up alot of break ball and always open for the pass from the backline
Also reading a few posts about the ref, i thought mcaneney had a great game, probably the best ref in ireland and has been this past number of years.
Overall though Armagh were defeated i was pleased at the way they played and battle hard all over the pitch, it was hot in the stands yesterday and maybe a few degrees hotter on the pitch so you have to give both teams there due for putting on a good game
Some mention of Dooher so far, but not enough. A lot of credit is due to him for making yet another return, from yet another operation. Not quite a full return but his football brain is as tuned in as ever.
Those guys looking for McDonnell's resigation are talking shite.
Peter has got the best out of the players available to him. He is his own man, and not swayed by what others think or have done. He still is the best man for the job
Quote from: Orior on June 01, 2009, 11:09:11 AM
Those guys looking for McDonnell's resigation are talking shite.
Peter has got the best out of the players available to him. He is his own man, and not swayed by what others think or have done. He still is the best man for the job
Don't forget how unfortunate he has been with injuries/retirments/bugs as well. All have an impact.
Supporters are fickle - I was sitting beside Armah supporters - good lads they were - at half time MOR had hardly got a ball and Justin was on his way to a MOM award - they were saying at half time that he was a waste of space, that he should have been taken off etc etc - then he started to pick up a few breaks and got into the game a bit - then he hoofed the ball in and the goal came off it - the same lads started to say how great a game MOR had played and that he was the only Armagh player on the pitch with the intelligence to hoof the high ball in to Clarke. As he was going off, they stood up and clapped him off the pitch.
Pure class.
I am not going to get into too much about individuals but I have to make a few points.
Paul had a few wobbles but only one cost a score(the one he failed to pick up). In that case he may also have had a free out. His kickouts were mostly long but he placed a few shorter ones well into players arms and on 2 occasions cleared kick passes over 40 yards into players chests. He may be a bit erratic sometime but his handling under a lot of high balls was excellent.
The defence played well enough under severe pressure from Tyrone, they put them under enough pressure to cause the Tyrone forwards to miss as much as they did but the FB line miss the physicality that Francie gave them. I am not saying he would have held O'Neill but there was not real cutting edge in the defence outside of McKeever. Theyy are all fine footballers but they need to be a bit tougher. Midfield did ok with Lavery being the pick of all 4 on show. The unfortunate thing though was a lot of their work was stemming the tide coming forward from the Tyrone HB line.
The HF line as a whole let too much ball travel forward simply because they were playing too deep. This is tactical and will hurt as the season goes on. Individually they did ok, with Mallon being the most productive, but they provided nil support for the FF line and the amount of times the ball broke from the front 2-3 and there were Tyrone HB's there to pick it up was unreal.
Young O'Rourke had a dream start to his debut and did well and fully justified his selection. Clarke was man fcuked by Gormley and while he may be a great defender he got away with a serious amount of petty fouling, on the edge stuff that McEananey will never blow but other refs would. More will be needed out of Clarke and McDonnell if there is to be any progress.
For the Qualifiers I would like to see a change on emphasis and tactics. I would not have many changes, but I would have tactical moves.
Hearty
Mallon Toner Shannon/P Kernan
A Kernan McKeever Donaghy
Vernon McKenna Lavery
O Rourke Mallon
McDonnell
Clarke O'Rourke
Basically, Shannon did ok but I think he is not physical enough. He had an easy enough time yesterday but will struggle against a better forward. I think Toner's strenght is needed in the FB line and that Donaghy can offer more in the HB line. I think Finian is well off the pace. I would start Lavery or McKenna on the HF line to come out to make it 3 across the middle. I think they need to have 3 strong lines of 3 to build their defensive unit on.
Paul Duffy will feel unlucky but I think Mallon offers more going forward and O'Rourke does a lot of foraging for loss ball. The one thing about MOR, he needs to loose a stone very quickly as he is way off championship pace. I do not think McDonnell has the confidence at the minute to play in the FF line. He tried a few catch and turns but he under kicked or half kicked them. I think he needs to be more involved in the game to regain his confidence. Kevin O rourke has justified his start and I think if Clarke is played right they could get more out of both of them. ORourke can win his own ball but I think he would have more return by feeding off Clarke.
One final thing, I thought the Armagh players looked very heavy legged. I wonder if they are training with an eye on the qualifiers as they did not look like a team who were doing speed work in the build up to the big game like normally would happen.
People are losing the run of themselves with calls for McDonnell's resignation, lose one championship match to the current AI champions and they want him out, that is crazy.
From Tyrone point of view it was about getting the result, nothing more. Some cagey displays but that is to be expected, the usual suspects like Ricey, McGinley, Jordan showed their class, Dooher is an inspiration his point was a massive statement to the rest of the boys 'get a ficking grip lads' kind of moment and it lifted everyone. O'Neill has only played a handful of games all year and has shown how effective he is, he and Dooher will be 3 weeks fitter against Derry too.
Has Toner played full back before? I think its risky putting him in there.
Pleased enough yesterday, particularly with the character shown by the side after Gormley's goal (he shouldn't of course have been left free to score it). Overall the team was competitive, and had they got the scores commensurate with their territorial dominance in the first twenty minutes, they might well have asked some serious questions of Tyrone.
With Vernon to return and a few rough edges ironed out, a reasonable run in the qualifiers is not beyond Armagh
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QuoteYou think it would be fair to bring someone in halfway through the summer then??!
Who you want then to do the job?
Halfway through the summer?
Championship I mean... Once your out of your province you're on to the next stage...
Thats the thing that get to me, people say ricey was good yesterday!!! SMcDonnell won every single ball that came into him and Ricey was nowhere near close enough to him, what let McDonnell down after that was his shooting or distribution but how can anyone say Ricey played well ???
BC1, yes thats what i'm talking about...the system of 3 midfielders giving Vernon and McKenna the freedom of attacking with J Lavery holding the middle, i actually forgot about P Kernan and he could be an option at corner back instead. MOR is def off the pace alright but i think S Forker should get a start alongside Clarke
Cant for the life of me see how they gave the MOTM award to Gormley
Thought Justy Mc Mahon, Jordan & O'Neill played a lot better
Quote from: illdecide on June 01, 2009, 11:48:49 AM
Thats the thing that get to me, people say ricey was good yesterday!!! SMcDonnell won every single ball that came into him and Ricey was nowhere near close enough to him, what let McDonnell down after that was his shooting or distribution but how can anyone say Ricey played well ???
BC1, yes thats what i'm talking about...the system of 3 midfielders giving Vernon and McKenna the freedom of attacking with J Lavery holding the middle, i actually forgot about P Kernan and he could be an option at corner back instead. MOR is def off the pace alright but i think S Forker should get a start alongside Clarke
McDonald was first to every ball due to very good ball being played in, perfect for any forward. However not once in the whole game did Ricey let McDonald past him, McDonald had to resort to laying the ball back out the field or have a rash shot. THIS IS WHY RICEY PLAYED WELL.
BC very harsh on Shannon. He had a good debut, his man had to be taken off, the few balls that did come near them were mostly won by Shannon.
I know you don;t rate him, but he certainly did enough to keep his spot.
Eastern stand for this one. Wasn't a bad view but I'd rather be in the middle as you tend to miss the nitty gritty details of the action at the other end, which unfortunately was where most of the action happened. Happy enough with the red hand performance. Thought Tommy and penfold had games to forget but we all know they're both much better than that. Harte and Jordan I thought gave away a lot of possession early in the game but improved. Both McMahons put in a great shift. PJ in the corner looks the business for me. The mhaca had a great wee purple patch in the second half but their goal came from a sloppy pass from Tommy, who was hauled ashore immediately. Dooher tried a spectacular effort with his first touch, but made up for it with a beauty to settle any nerves. Will be expecting more from big Sean next day out. Happy that SON plays for us. Worth the entrance fee alone.
Well Longball whatever you think yourself but if i was playing corner back and my man got to every single ball in front of me I'd be very disappointed with my performance
Corn, you have def got your Dromintee glasses on today, you are very defensive of your club mates,
But yeh i have to agree with you on Shannon, thought he had a good debut, that game will bring him on leaps and bounds,
and yeh you are right re: the so called supporters cheering when MOR was substituted, but as someone has said i think it was at Mc Donnell for getting his finger out and making the switch rather than a dig at Marty, but i do believe he should have def been taken off before Duffy or Barnsey, both were having better games and offering more
Quote from: Onion Bag on June 01, 2009, 12:04:45 PM
Corn, you have def got your Dromintee glasses on today, you are very defensive of your club mates,
But yeh i have to agree with you on Shannon, thought he had a good debut, that game will bring him on leaps and bounds,
and yeh you are right re: the so called supporters cheering when MOR was substituted, but as someone has said i think it was at Mc Donnell for getting his finger out and making the switch rather than a dig at Marty, but i do believe he should have def been taken off before Duffy or Barnsey, both were having better games and offering more
Dromintee glasses? What?
All I said was Shannon did well and Marty was not as bad as many are making out, and he wasn't. Certainly nowhere near his best, but he was on the ball more times than any other Armagh player and was basically on his own in the hf line. Too many mistakes, but plenty of good too.
No Dromintee glasses on their lad.
Any if it was for the cheering thing. I get stuck into players as much as anyone here but if im at an Armagh game I give 100% support to the player regardless of whether I rate them or not. I wouldn't dream of cheering a change, even if it was directed at the manager.
Quote from: Onion Bag on June 01, 2009, 12:04:45 PM
and yeh you are right re: the so called supporters cheering when MOR was substituted, but as someone has said i think it was at Mc Donnell for getting his finger out and making the switch rather than a dig at Marty, but i do believe he should have def been taken off before Duffy or Barnsey, both were having better games and offering more
O'Rourkes distribution wasnt good but he picked up an awful lot of ball
I would be more concerned about him if he wasnt winning any ball, he can always work on his distribution
Quote from: full back on June 01, 2009, 12:10:58 PM
Quote from: Onion Bag on June 01, 2009, 12:04:45 PM
and yeh you are right re: the so called supporters cheering when MOR was substituted, but as someone has said i think it was at Mc Donnell for getting his finger out and making the switch rather than a dig at Marty, but i do believe he should have def been taken off before Duffy or Barnsey, both were having better games and offering more
O'Rourkes distribution wasnt good but he picked up an awful lot of ball
I would be more concerned about him if he wasnt winning any ball, he can always work on his distribution
Ironically while his shooting is usually horrible, his passing is one of his best assets.
Not yesterday it wasnt,
Quote from: Onion Bag on June 01, 2009, 12:17:00 PM
Not yesterday it wasnt,
Don't think I argued otherwise.
The one thing about yesterday I suppose is that Marty suits the wing a lot better than the centre. I still think SK is the man for 11 - he would add something we need desperately - creativity.
Well do you know something corn, thats exactly what i said, Marty would be better suited to the wing, and SK in the middle
My HF line the next day would be Mallon, SK & MOR
Dont think Duffy was prominent enough yesterday
Quote from: Onion Bag on June 01, 2009, 12:34:22 PM
Well do you know something corn, thats exactly what i said, Marty would be better suited to the wing, and SK in the middle
I didn't think SK was great when he come on yesterday, he lost four balls out of five or something, but he could be a match winner. I'll put my hands up and say I didn;t rate him too much, but he has qualities we need and the couple of qualities he is missing can be negated by the players around him.
I'd love to get Down in the qualifers. The team i'd play
McEvoy
Mallon Toner Shannon
AK McKeever Duffy
Vernon Donaghy
MOR Sk Mallon
McDonnell Clarke Tony
I may have been a bit harsh on Mallon btw. It was a great catch by ONeill for the first, but I still think he could have cut out the second long ball.
I thought he was doing alright, he carrying the ball well in fact i think he will be dissappointed he was taken off before MOR, same with Barnsey, who might i add, scored a clinker point that was dis allowed,(I had a brilliant view of it, Tyrone people beside me all agreed it was a score) which resulted in Tyrone taking a quick kickout and SON scoring the goal, had the point counted, things might have been different
Lads what need to happen is a bit of ruthlessness installed. This comes from the manager and filters throughout the team. I went to the game yesterday and to be honest i was expecting to loose by 3 or 4 points but i came away from the game frustrated because if Armagh would have been that little bit more ruthless they could have pushed Tyrone all the way. This was the most disappointing aspect. The man at the helm of the Armagh team ie the manager has to be ruthless. No player is invaluable to any team. Armagh are not a team that can afford to carry passengers. It doesn't matter whether a man has played for 10 years or 1 month if the manager sees fit to have him on the panel then he should have the faith in him to come on. Young forker and Henderson (whom had a great league campaign) were wasted yesterday sitting on the bench. O'Rourke was loosing terrible amount of ball and this was being punished by Tyrone. MC Donnell was trying but it wasn't happening for him. Clarke felt his way into the game and once the High ball was going directly in he was destroying Gourmley. But Armagh done the usual thing and refused to make changes early in the game. This is not only an attribute of the current manager (Kernan and his predecessors also were slow on the change front) The time has come to select the Armagh team based on Armaghs strengths and get out of this mindset of stopping the opposition play first. Sure it is important to stop the opposition but not at the risk of your own game, which is happening all to much with Armagh over the years. It is this policy that has cost Armagh another 1 if not two All Ireland titles. The team should be selected with the whole forward line able to score and tackle (these players do exist within our county) The defence should be defenders and a happy medium found in the middle. It isn't rocket science and if things are not working out change it so as we are not standing after the match saying "if only".
This current crop of players needs time to come together but it is important to get them into the correct style of play and allow them to gain confidence quickly. The masters at it are the men from the Kingdom. They can slot lads in there and they look as if they have played there for years, the proof is in their role of honour. Armagh are a young side but they must be given the proper guidance otherwise they will go the way of the down senior team at the moment. In the current down team there are a great crop of players but the potential shown at minor level wasn't properly nurtured imo and they can't get the big players to perform and the standard has slipped. It happens in club football all the time, one year a club will be flying and the next it will be fighting relegation with basically the same group of players.
On a positive note it is by no means too late for Armagh with a few adjustments the future will be good for Armagh and i will certainly be there to cheer them on.
When is the draw for the first round of the qualifiers ?
The end of the day performance meant more than result - and the second half performance was pleasing.
Win, a lot of people agree with you, but for me Henderson did not have a great league campaign. He had one spectacular match and was disappointing there after.
Quote from: corn02 on June 01, 2009, 12:49:09 PM
The end of the day performance meant more than result - and the second half performance was pleasing.
Win, a lot of people agree with you, but for me Henderson did not have a great league campaign. He had one spectacular match and was disappointing there after.
Performance meaning more than than result is an excuse trotted out by losers. If Armagh had have won that game yesterday playing ugly, there would'nt have been too many in the orchard county complaining.
Quote from: Bensars on June 01, 2009, 01:03:03 PM
Quote from: corn02 on June 01, 2009, 12:49:09 PM
The end of the day performance meant more than result - and the second half performance was pleasing.
Win, a lot of people agree with you, but for me Henderson did not have a great league campaign. He had one spectacular match and was disappointing there after.
Performance meaning more than than result is an excuse trotted out by losers. If Armagh had have won that game yesterday playing ugly, there would'nt have been too many in the orchard county complaining.
I said it before the match if you want to look back over my posts.
Yesterday was not a make-or-break game, of course the side would have wanted to win, but coming through the front door hasn't worked, perhaps the back door may hold success.
Quote from: corn02 on June 01, 2009, 12:49:09 PM
The end of the day performance meant more than result - and the second half performance was pleasing.
IMHO, performances count for fcuk all
At the end of the day the result is all that matters
We didnt win yesterday, we were beat by a Tyrone team who played average.
Disappointment is the over-riding feeling today, not the bullsh1t of being pleased with performances
Quote from: full back on June 01, 2009, 01:11:50 PM
Quote from: corn02 on June 01, 2009, 12:49:09 PM
The end of the day performance meant more than result - and the second half performance was pleasing.
IMHO, performances count for fcuk all
At the end of the day the result is all that matters
We didnt win yesterday, we were beat by a Tyrone team who played average.
Disappointment is the over-riding feeling today, not the bullsh1t of being pleased with performances
Fullback, can I ask you one thing. For arguments sake if Armagh win the All Ireland will it bother you that they didn;t win it coming through Ulster?
Quote from: corn02 on June 01, 2009, 12:41:54 PM
Quote from: Onion Bag on June 01, 2009, 12:34:22 PM
Well do you know something corn, thats exactly what i said, Marty would be better suited to the wing, and SK in the middle
I didn't think SK was great when he come on yesterday, he lost four balls out of five or something, but he could be a match winner. I'll put my hands up and say I didn;t rate him too much, but he has qualities we need and the couple of qualities he is missing can be negated by the players around him.
I'd love to get Down in the qualifers. The team i'd play
McEvoy
Mallon Toner Shannon
AK McKeever Duffy
Vernon Donaghy
MOR Sk Mallon
McDonnell Clarke Tony
I may have been a bit harsh on Mallon btw. It was a great catch by ONeill for the first, but I still think he could have cut out the second long ball.
No Lavery? thought he was your best player yesterday :-\
Quote from: corn02 on June 01, 2009, 01:13:38 PM
Quote from: full back on June 01, 2009, 01:11:50 PM
Quote from: corn02 on June 01, 2009, 12:49:09 PM
The end of the day performance meant more than result - and the second half performance was pleasing.
IMHO, performances count for fcuk all
At the end of the day the result is all that matters
We didnt win yesterday, we were beat by a Tyrone team who played average.
Disappointment is the over-riding feeling today, not the bullsh1t of being pleased with performances
Fullback, can I ask you one thing. For arguments sake if Armagh win the All Ireland will it bother you that they didn;t win it coming through Ulster?
Wouldnt bother me corn
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on June 01, 2009, 01:17:51 PM
Quote from: corn02 on June 01, 2009, 12:41:54 PM
Quote from: Onion Bag on June 01, 2009, 12:34:22 PM
Well do you know something corn, thats exactly what i said, Marty would be better suited to the wing, and SK in the middle
I didn't think SK was great when he come on yesterday, he lost four balls out of five or something, but he could be a match winner. I'll put my hands up and say I didn;t rate him too much, but he has qualities we need and the couple of qualities he is missing can be negated by the players around him.
I'd love to get Down in the qualifers. The team i'd play
McEvoy
Mallon Toner Shannon
AK McKeever Duffy
Vernon Donaghy
MOR Sk Mallon
McDonnell Clarke Tony
I may have been a bit harsh on Mallon btw. It was a great catch by ONeill for the first, but I still think he could have cut out the second long ball.
No Lavery? thought he was your best player yesterday :-\
Oversight, I knew I was missing someone, I originally had Donaghy in where Duffy was/ So Duffy out, Donaghy in. Lacery into the middle.
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Quote from: corn02 on June 01, 2009, 12:49:09 PM
The end of the day performance meant more than result - and the second half performance was pleasing.
IMHO, performances count for fcuk all
At the end of the day the result is all that matters
We didnt win yesterday, we were beat by a Tyrone team who played average.
Disappointment is the over-riding feeling today, not the bullsh1t of being pleased with performances
Fullback, can I ask you one thing. For arguments sake if Armagh win the All Ireland will it bother you that they didn;t win it coming through Ulster?
Wouldnt bother me corn
Me neither, which is why I'm not too gutted and will look for the positives.
Good game yesterday, seemed very fast football for first round game. both teams trying to play football was better viewing.
also thought the ref did an excellent job. credit where credit is due.
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Quote from: corn02 on June 01, 2009, 01:13:38 PM
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Quote from: corn02 on June 01, 2009, 12:49:09 PM
The end of the day performance meant more than result - and the second half performance was pleasing.
IMHO, performances count for fcuk all
At the end of the day the result is all that matters
We didnt win yesterday, we were beat by a Tyrone team who played average.
Disappointment is the over-riding feeling today, not the bullsh1t of being pleased with performances
Fullback, can I ask you one thing. For arguments sake if Armagh win the All Ireland will it bother you that they didn;t win it coming through Ulster?
Wouldnt bother me corn
Me neither, which is why I'm not too gutted and will look for the positives.
I understand what you are saying corn, but some people on here seem to be happy that we didnt get beat by much & put up a good show.
IMHO, at this level winning is all that matters, be it by 1 point or 20
Too much Lurgan bias going on in work today, I have had a load of ones coming in today complaining about Henderson not coming on yesterday... Best player in the league has been quoted a few times, the Wexford match was good I give you, but what else apart from that??
Saying that if my team was chasing scores I would put Ryan on before AOR any day!!
Hearty - average in patches still a liability - McEvoy has to be starter next game, pity previous regimes treated McKinney that bad that he had to quit
A Mallon - Steady enough game, not his best for Armagh but defiantly not his worst
Donaghy - Very good, not only an able replacement for Francie, and even better player and would imagine even if Francie had to stay on panel Brendan would still be at No.3
Shannon - for his championship debut pretty good caught a few times early on and picked up a yellow card, but for man who played 3/4 game on yellow in corner back he done very well
Finn Mo - steady enough wasn't outstanding, pretty average performance
C McKeever - steady first half good second half lost without him in middle for his strength and fearless mentality (glad Mugsy head didn't get in way that while kick Ciaran took in first half)
A Kernan - below par, didn't get the freedom as he normally gets against lesser opposition maybe yesterday he was exposed (as he was before against Tyrone) for his lack of defensive ability. Surely a switch with Paul Duffy would have been better option if Peter wanted both on team, and play 6 defenders 6 forwards instead of 7 and 5
Toner - disappointed enough with his performance, though his opponent was great still thought Toner would put up better performance
Lavery - Pleasantly surprised put in serious work caught some great ball got a score(though with another bit steam behind him could have been a goal) Armaghs MOM
Duffy - showed glimpses of potential but not good enough in thta position, though that is not entirely Pauls fault, because its the sideline that dictates that one.
M O'Rourke - 2/3 game below par, played a bit middle second half someone told me he has been carrying a knock and hasn't been training fully, explains allot - lack fitness etc
B Mallon - 2 great points linked up at times well, other times disappointing
Stevie - frustrating still maintain he's a greedy player and takes shots on when not needed, were a pass to an other player is better choice i.e. taking a point yesterday first half when Clarke was in for goal
Clarke - well marshalled first half change tactics(again problem with sideline initially) led to Clarke exposing full back line and causing a it of havoc - how many times was he fouled throughout the game?? some cynical stuff
K O'Rourke - I thought decent performance and disappointed to see him come off
T Kernan - shouldn't have left bench
S Kernan - done ok, give away a few created a few
Forker - did well
Team fro Qualifiers i would pick
McEvoy
A Mallon Donaghy Moriarty
A Kernan McKeever Shannon
Lavery Toner
Forker/S Kernan B Mallon M ORourke
Stevie Clarke K O Rourke
Obviously if Charlie is fit he's on but don't think he will be, we have to play 6 defeners & 6 forwards
Can the Armagh people not see that Tyrone should have been out of sight at Half time only for some shocking shooting. Armagh were very poor, as someone said they have no strength or steel at the back now bar Mc Keever. Shocking to see so many people from Armagh happy with this result, oh times have changed!
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on June 01, 2009, 01:42:26 PM
Can the Armagh people not see that Tyrone should have been out of sight at Half time only for some shocking shooting. Armagh were very poor, as someone said they have no strength or steel at the back now bar Mc Keever. Shocking to see so many people from Armagh happy with this result, oh times have changed!
Exactly my point
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 01, 2009, 01:23:11 PM
Too much Lurgan bias going on in work today, I have had a load of ones coming in today complaining about Henderson not coming on yesterday... Best player in the league has been quoted a few times, the Wexford match was good I give you, but what else apart from that??
Saying that if my team was chasing scores I would put Ryan on before AOR any day!!
Henderson showed rightly v Dublin too allbeit a challenge game. He know where the posts are & I would assume the conditions would have been perfect for him. Though cannot argue against Forker or O'Rourke's inclusion.
QuoteCan the Armagh people not see that Tyrone should have been out of sight at Half time only for some shocking shooting. Armagh were very poor, as someone said they have no strength or steel at the back now bar Mc Keever. Shocking to see so many people from Armagh happy with this result, oh times have changed!
Maybe the Tyrone shooting was poor as they were under pressure from the Armagh backs...
We'll see how well Tyrone transition from this all ireland winning team in a few years...
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on June 01, 2009, 01:42:26 PM
Can the Armagh people not see that Tyrone should have been out of sight at Half time only for some shocking shooting. Armagh were very poor, as someone said they have no strength or steel at the back now bar Mc Keever. Shocking to see so many people from Armagh happy with this result, oh times have changed!
............................or the counter argument, only for a lucky goal Armagh would've only been one point behind!! Remember Armagh played very poorly up front in the first half also, not necessarily with wides but the final ball into Clarke in particular being atrocious. Armagh's defence and midfield went fairly well in the first half. As Madden has said in the Irish News this morning a lot of Tyrone's wides can be attributed to Armagh defending.
Quote from: mackers on June 01, 2009, 01:58:54 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on June 01, 2009, 01:42:26 PM
Can the Armagh people not see that Tyrone should have been out of sight at Half time only for some shocking shooting. Armagh were very poor, as someone said they have no strength or steel at the back now bar Mc Keever. Shocking to see so many people from Armagh happy with this result, oh times have changed!
............................or the counter argument, only for a lucky goal Armagh would've only been one point behind!! Remember Armagh played very poorly up front in the first half also, not necessarily with wides but the final ball into Clarke in particular being atrocious. Armagh's defence and midfield went fairly well in the first half. As Madden has said in the Irish News this morning a lot of Tyrone's wides can be attributed to Armagh defending.
wouldn't agree with that maybe some of them but a lot of wides were down to the lads that were shooting, they had plenty of space for most of the shots they put wide and you can be sure that they will not miss as many the next day out.
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on June 01, 2009, 01:42:26 PM
Can the Armagh people not see that Tyrone should have been out of sight at Half time only for some shocking shooting. Armagh were very poor, as someone said they have no strength or steel at the back now bar Mc Keever. Shocking to see so many people from Armagh happy with this result, oh times have changed!
I don't think there are too many Armagh fans happy with the result. But there are a lot of genuine armagh fans that realise Armagh are a team in transition and a very young side into the bargain. Some counties and supporties think that the conveyer belt of Ulster and All Irelands winners can go on forever when clearly it cannot. As a result expectations where not as high going into the game. Thus making the defeat just that little but softer. But to say that they were happy with the defeat is just twisting things round to try and be arrogant and rub salt into the wounds.
Quote from: full back on June 01, 2009, 01:22:42 PM
Quote from: corn02 on June 01, 2009, 01:20:07 PM
Quote from: full back on June 01, 2009, 01:18:06 PM
Quote from: corn02 on June 01, 2009, 01:13:38 PM
Quote from: full back on June 01, 2009, 01:11:50 PM
Quote from: corn02 on June 01, 2009, 12:49:09 PM
The end of the day performance meant more than result - and the second half performance was pleasing.
IMHO, performances count for fcuk all
At the end of the day the result is all that matters
We didnt win yesterday, we were beat by a Tyrone team who played average.
Disappointment is the over-riding feeling today, not the bullsh1t of being pleased with performances
Fullback, can I ask you one thing. For arguments sake if Armagh win the All Ireland will it bother you that they didn;t win it coming through Ulster?
Wouldnt bother me corn
Me neither, which is why I'm not too gutted and will look for the positives.
I understand what you are saying corn, but some people on here seem to be happy that we didnt get beat by much & put up a good show.
IMHO, at this level winning is all that matters, be it by 1 point or 20
I wouldn;t say happy Fullback, disappointed of course, but there is a bigger picture and we must continue to aspire to it.
Quote from: tyronefan on June 01, 2009, 02:03:24 PM
Quote from: mackers on June 01, 2009, 01:58:54 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on June 01, 2009, 01:42:26 PM
Can the Armagh people not see that Tyrone should have been out of sight at Half time only for some shocking shooting. Armagh were very poor, as someone said they have no strength or steel at the back now bar Mc Keever. Shocking to see so many people from Armagh happy with this result, oh times have changed!
............................or the counter argument, only for a lucky goal Armagh would've only been one point behind!! Remember Armagh played very poorly up front in the first half also, not necessarily with wides but the final ball into Clarke in particular being atrocious. Armagh's defence and midfield went fairly well in the first half. As Madden has said in the Irish News this morning a lot of Tyrone's wides can be attributed to Armagh defending.
wouldn't agree with that maybe some of them but a lot of wides were down to the lads that were shooting, they had plenty of space for most of the shots they put wide and you can be sure that they will not miss as many the next day out.
A number of them were from distance which in itself is a sign of good defence. At HT I felt that
both attacks had played poorly with foot passing and shot selection not up to scratch.
I don't really see where Armagh posters are "happy" to be beaten, most seem to agree that Armagh showed good character to come back from eight points down against a team who are renowned for putting up big scores against beaten teams. I, like most others, would like to take the positives from yesterday's performance (there were only a few) and try on build on them. Don't think there's anything wrong with that.
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Quote from: Carmen Stateside on June 01, 2009, 01:42:26 PM
Can the Armagh people not see that Tyrone should have been out of sight at Half time only for some shocking shooting. Armagh were very poor, as someone said they have no strength or steel at the back now bar Mc Keever. Shocking to see so many people from Armagh happy with this result, oh times have changed!
............................or the counter argument, only for a lucky goal Armagh would've only been one point behind!! Remember Armagh played very poorly up front in the first half also, not necessarily with wides but the final ball into Clarke in particular being atrocious. Armagh's defence and midfield went fairly well in the first half. As Madden has said in the Irish News this morning a lot of Tyrone's wides can be attributed to Armagh defending.
wouldn't agree with that maybe some of them but a lot of wides were down to the lads that were shooting, they had plenty of space for most of the shots they put wide and you can be sure that they will not miss as many the next day out.
A number of them were from distance which in itself is a sign of good defence. At HT I felt that both attacks had played poorly with foot passing and shot selection not up to scratch.
I don't really see where Armagh posters are "happy" to be beaten, most seem to agree that Armagh showed good character to come back from eight points down against a team who are renowned for putting up big scores against beaten teams. I, like most others, would like to take the positives from yesterday's performance (there were only a few) and try on build on them. Don't think there's anything wrong with that.
100% agreed.
Some very sound observations about yesterday's game and I'd like to add a few of my own;
In general I thought that our defence, nos. 2 - 7, were fairly sound apart from allowing Gormley to get in behind for the goal and I'd have confidence in them in the Qualifiers. Hearty, however, was a tit as only he can be! He was penalised for lifting the ball off the ground when most keepers of his experience would have allowed the ball to go wide. Shortly after that he put the ball over the sideline from a kick out- he usually does 1 or 2 of these in every game - and I'd have expected more from him by way of stopping O Neill's goal.
Mid-field, particularly James Lavery, outplayed their counterparts. I was pleased for Lavery who has taken a fair bit of stick this year and he showed the potential that I always felt was there.
Of the forwards, I was happiest with Mallon, K O'Rourke (for a wee while), Stefan Forker (who I'd say has a big future for Armagh), MOR, until he ran out of steam, and that goal from Ronan Clarke. Gormley is a cynical yoke and should've been roaded sooner. Brian Mallon seems to be coming back to what he can be and I'd like to see him freed more from the shackes of having to defend and instead do what he can do, take scores.I would liked to have seen Ryan Henderson in instead of one of the Kernans
I've felt this last year or two that we have been on the slide but after yesterday's display I think (hope) that maybe we've turned the corner. My biggest worry for the future is the current management (is that fair?) but we'll see how they get on for what remains of our championship.
What was the exact number of wides for Tyrone yesterday? Would be shockingly high for this time of the year!! If Tyrone had their shooting boots with them yesterday it would have been a cricket score. Some of the wides can be attributed to good defending but not all. I can remember Mugsy missing a few very scorable chances in the first half. Fair play to Armagh for not dropping the heads while 8 points down in the second half and Nobody will want to meet them in backdoor.
Thought Hub was excellent yesterday handling a lot of ball and making good use of possesion, I think he only shot once :D. For me J McMaghon was man of the match. (Which ever one you want)
For Tyrone Derry will be a different game altogether with Cassidy's negative tactics it will be a game for patience and discipline. A top referee is required for this game.
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on June 01, 2009, 01:42:26 PM
Can the Armagh people not see that Tyrone should have been out of sight at Half time only for some shocking shooting. Armagh were very poor, as someone said they have no strength or steel at the back now bar Mc Keever. Shocking to see so many people from Armagh happy with this result, oh times have changed!
Perhaps the Tyronies should be worried about their shooting?
Quote from: EC Unique on June 01, 2009, 03:52:20 PM
What was the exact number of wides for Tyrone yesterday? Would be shockingly high for this time of the year!!
if I remember rightly from the Sunday Game stats last night, Tyrone missed 12 to Armagh's 6.
Quote from: EC Unique on June 01, 2009, 03:52:20 PM
What was the exact number of wides for Tyrone yesterday? Would be shockingly high for this time of the year!! If Tyrone had their shooting boots with them yesterday it would have been a cricket score. Some of the wides can be attributed to good defending but not all. I can remember Mugsy missing a few very scorable chances in the first half. Fair play to Armagh for not dropping the heads while 8 points down in the second half and Nobody will want to meet them in backdoor.
Thought Hub was excellent yesterday handling a lot of ball and making good use of possesion, I think he only shot once :D. For me J McMaghon was man of the match. (Which ever one you want)
For Tyrone Derry will be a different game altogether with Cassidy's negative tactics it will be a game for patience and discipline. A top referee is required for this game.
Think last night on the Sunday game, it said that Tyrone converted 12 of 30 scoring chances, Armagh converted 11 of 18 scoring chances.
What was the confirmed attendance yesterday in the end up? Loads of space on the hill which made it a lot easier to enjoy the match.
I met Give Her Dixie of Tyrone to Gaza fame in the toilets yesterday, he had some Palestinian (I think?) friends with him for the game, am sure they enjoyed it too, though they said the Armagh people were less hospitable than the Israelis :P
Quote from: mackers on June 01, 2009, 01:58:54 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on June 01, 2009, 01:42:26 PM
Can the Armagh people not see that Tyrone should have been out of sight at Half time only for some shocking shooting. Armagh were very poor, as someone said they have no strength or steel at the back now bar Mc Keever. Shocking to see so many people from Armagh happy with this result, oh times have changed!
............................or the counter argument, only for a lucky goal Armagh would've only been one point behind!! Remember Armagh played very poorly up front in the first half also, not necessarily with wides but the final ball into Clarke in particular being atrocious. Armagh's defence and midfield went fairly well in the first half. As Madden has said in the Irish News this morning a lot of Tyrone's wides can be attributed to Armagh defending.
Indeed, Armagh owned the first 15 minutes and if it wasn't for some shocking ineffiencies from our own forwards we could've notched up a 4 or 5 point lead by the time Tyrone came alive. There was more than one set of forwards that were below par yesterday.
I'd also wonder how much more damage Clarke could've caused if he was given some actual protection by the referee...
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45849000/jpg/_45849045_clarke_gormley.jpg)
Thats it no one is aloud to touch Ronan Clarke the next game. Its f**king Gealic football lads and lassies. I am sure Clarke gets alot worse in a club game in Armagh.
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on June 01, 2009, 04:06:29 PM
Thats it no one is aloud to touch Ronan Clarke the next game. Its f**king Gealic football lads and lassies. I am sure Clarke gets alot worse in a club game in Armagh.
There are 4 pictures of sports file of Gormley pulling, dragging, holding and pushing Clarke in the back. Gormley just wasn't fit for him and should have seen the sidelines a lot earlier for the persistent fouling.
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/356110/5000/
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/356118/5000/
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/356163/5000/
QuoteI'd also wonder how much more damage Clarke could've caused if he was given some actual protection by the referee...
I agree with Carmen. As for protection, that looks like the move from which he scored the goal so if the ref had given him the 'protection' you insist he deserves Armagh would have had a free instead of ending up with a 3-pointer. As for saying he deserves protection, I don't recall him being in a position yesterday that seemed like their was a danger to his safety, the term protection should have been applied to anyone who happened to be playing at N0.14 on teams playing against Armagh in recent years.
My point is that if another ref had've been in charge yesterday, who didn't employ Pat's 'let the game flow' style of refereeing, Gormley in particular could've found himself in bother a lot sooner than he did. This might not have affected the outcome of the game, but perhaps Armagh would have been a wee bit more potent in attack and a bit closer to Tyrone if our main attacking outlet wasn't cynically fouled out of the large parts of the game.
*waits for some Tyronie to mention Francie Bellew, as if this will nullify my point somehow ::)*
EDIT: didn't even get to post this before nrico predictably swooped in with the Francie line :D ::)
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on June 01, 2009, 04:06:29 PM
Thats it no one is aloud to touch Ronan Clarke the next game. Its f**king Gealic football lads and lassies. I am sure Clarke gets alot worse in a club game in Armagh.
What Gormley is shown doing in the photo above maybe Gealic football but it's defo not Gaelic Football.
Quote from: Sandy Hill on June 01, 2009, 04:20:44 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on June 01, 2009, 04:06:29 PM
Thats it no one is aloud to touch Ronan Clarke the next game. Its f**king Gealic football lads and lassies. I am sure Clarke gets alot worse in a club game in Armagh.
What Gormley is shown doing in the photo above maybe Gealic football but it's defo not Gaelic Football.
:'(
Not sure why there are posters referring to Armagh as a "very young team". There were only 4 players to start who were under 25. Donaghy, the 2 midfielders and the late replacement #28 according to the programme bio listing.
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on June 01, 2009, 04:10:24 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on June 01, 2009, 04:06:29 PM
Thats it no one is aloud to touch Ronan Clarke the next game. Its f**king Gealic football lads and lassies. I am sure Clarke gets alot worse in a club game in Armagh.
There are 4 pictures of sports file of Gormley pulling, dragging, holding and pushing Clarke in the back. Gormley just wasn't fit for him and should have seen the sidelines a lot earlier for the persistent fouling.
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/356110/5000/
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/356118/5000/
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/356163/5000/
i can recall atleast 2 instances were gormley won the ball cleanly in front of clarke only for clarke to pull and drag him back,tyrone got frees for this, yet no ticking or yellow for these!it happens all the time, were forwards get away with fouling the defender coming out, yet if the same foul had been commited by gormley it would have been a ticking or yellow card.
I'm not trying to defend gormley, as i thought he was rightly shown a second yellow, but clarke wasnt totally innocent either!
Not sure what all the compalining about gormley is about, yes he fouled clarke on occassion, but there were frees given for this, and when it became persistant he was sent off, as far a im concerned for once a referee applied the rules correctly and with some common sense
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Quote from: Oakleafer93 on June 01, 2009, 04:10:24 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on June 01, 2009, 04:06:29 PM
Thats it no one is aloud to touch Ronan Clarke the next game. Its f**king Gealic football lads and lassies. I am sure Clarke gets alot worse in a club game in Armagh.
There are 4 pictures of sports file of Gormley pulling, dragging, holding and pushing Clarke in the back. Gormley just wasn't fit for him and should have seen the sidelines a lot earlier for the persistent fouling.
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/356110/5000/
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/356118/5000/
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/356163/5000/
i can recall atleast 2 instances were gormley won the ball cleanly in front of clarke only for clarke to pull and drag him back,tyrone got frees for this, yet no ticking or yellow for these!it happens all the time, were forwards get away with fouling the defender coming out, yet if the same foul had been commited by gormley it would have been a ticking or yellow card.
I'm not trying to defend gormley, as i thought he was rightly shown a second yellow, but clarke wasnt totally innocent either!
Not sure what all the compalining about gormley is about, yes he fouled clarke on occassion, but there were frees given for this, and when it became persistant he was sent off, as far a im concerned for once a referee applied the rules correctly and with some common sense
There wasn't but, Clarke didn't get half the free's he deserved.
Found it laughable that Gormley got MoM on bbc.
Armagh are a decent side, will do well in the backdoor but will inevitable fall short against the 'big boys' this year.
Quote from: qz on June 01, 2009, 04:28:58 PM
Not sure why there are posters referring to Armagh as a "very young team". There were only 4 players to start who were under 25. Donaghy, the 2 midfielders and the late replacement #28 according to the programme bio listing.
Or put another way, of the 19 players used yesterday 13 were 26 or under.
In other News, Ryan Mc Menamin actually behaved himself. First time for everything I suppose.
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on June 01, 2009, 04:06:29 PM
Thats it no one is aloud to touch Ronan Clarke the next game. Its f**king Gealic football lads and lassies. I am sure Clarke gets alot worse in a club game in Armagh.
That's not justification Carmen to be honest.
Swings and roundabout, Gormley should have went earlier but we got the rub of the green with the advantage.
Quote from: AFS on June 01, 2009, 04:42:52 PM
Quote from: qz on June 01, 2009, 04:28:58 PM
Not sure why there are posters referring to Armagh as a "very young team". There were only 4 players to start who were under 25. Donaghy, the 2 midfielders and the late replacement #28 according to the programme bio listing.
Or put another way, of the 19 players used yesterday 13 were 26 or under.
Superb AFS.
Mc Keever was very good yesterday
It is important that we get him to stay at CHB as he is a great stopper as well
Thing is, he is probably one of our best manmarkers (along with Mallon) so he will probably be forced to follow a dangerman all over the forward line
Quote from: full back on June 01, 2009, 04:50:19 PM
Mc Keever was very good yesterday
It is important that we get him to stay at CHB as he is a great stopper as well
Thing is, he is probably one of our best manmarkers (along with Mallon) so he will probably be forced to follow a dangerman all over the forward line
have to agree, Mc keever was very good, made some fantastic tackles and was a rock on the Half back line, i have always wanted to see him in that position and i think after yesterday he has made it his own,
The day i go to another Armagh match and see AOR line out at CHB, im heading for the car
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Quote from: Carmen Stateside on June 01, 2009, 04:06:29 PM
Thats it no one is aloud to touch Ronan Clarke the next game. Its f**king Gealic football lads and lassies. I am sure Clarke gets alot worse in a club game in Armagh.
There are 4 pictures of sports file of Gormley pulling, dragging, holding and pushing Clarke in the back. Gormley just wasn't fit for him and should have seen the sidelines a lot earlier for the persistent fouling.
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/356110/5000/
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/356118/5000/
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/356163/5000/
i can recall atleast 2 instances were gormley won the ball cleanly in front of clarke only for clarke to pull and drag him back,tyrone got frees for this, yet no ticking or yellow for these!it happens all the time, were forwards get away with fouling the defender coming out, yet if the same foul had been commited by gormley it would have been a ticking or yellow card.
I'm not trying to defend gormley, as i thought he was rightly shown a second yellow, but clarke wasnt totally innocent either!
Not sure what all the compalining about gormley is about, yes he fouled clarke on occassion, but there were frees given for this, and when it became persistant he was sent off, as far a im concerned for once a referee applied the rules correctly and with some common sense
There wasn't but, Clarke didn't get half the free's he deserved.
disagree, thought when he was fouled he got the frees, on 3 or 4 ocassions.because the foul count started to build, gormley was sent off
mc ennany got the majority of his decisions right and all the big calls right, can't really ask for more than that from a referee
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Quote from: Carmen Stateside on June 01, 2009, 04:06:29 PM
Thats it no one is aloud to touch Ronan Clarke the next game. Its f**king Gealic football lads and lassies. I am sure Clarke gets alot worse in a club game in Armagh.
There are 4 pictures of sports file of Gormley pulling, dragging, holding and pushing Clarke in the back. Gormley just wasn't fit for him and should have seen the sidelines a lot earlier for the persistent fouling.
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/356110/5000/
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/356118/5000/
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/356163/5000/
i can recall atleast 2 instances were gormley won the ball cleanly in front of clarke only for clarke to pull and drag him back,tyrone got frees for this, yet no ticking or yellow for these!it happens all the time, were forwards get away with fouling the defender coming out, yet if the same foul had been commited by gormley it would have been a ticking or yellow card.
I'm not trying to defend gormley, as i thought he was rightly shown a second yellow, but clarke wasnt totally innocent either!
Not sure what all the compalining about gormley is about, yes he fouled clarke on occassion, but there were frees given for this, and when it became persistant he was sent off, as far a im concerned for once a referee applied the rules correctly and with some common sense
There wasn't but, Clarke didn't get half the free's he deserved.
disagree, thought when he was fouled he got the frees, on 3 or 4 ocassions.because the foul count started to build, gormley was sent off
mc ennany got the majority of his decisions right and all the big calls right, can't really ask for more than that from a referee
best team won but gormley got away with persistent fouling on clarke, everyone neutral or otherwise was of this opinion, indeed when aaron kernan got pulled back in the last couple of mins we were 3 on 2 for a goal chance, thought this also merited a yellow card
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Quote from: full back on June 01, 2009, 04:50:19 PM
Mc Keever was very good yesterday
It is important that we get him to stay at CHB as he is a great stopper as well
Thing is, he is probably one of our best manmarkers (along with Mallon) so he will probably be forced to follow a dangerman all over the forward line
have to agree, Mc keever was very good, made some fantastic tackles and was a rock on the Half back line, i have always wanted to see him in that position and i think after yesterday he has made it his own,
The day i go to another Armagh match and see AOR line out at CHB, im heading for the car
Your embody all that is good about supporting your team.
Spotted Paddy McKeever yesterday rushing up the hill at Clones, in case I was in any doubt as to who it was his 'Paddy McKeever' Armagh branded T-shirt confirmed this :D
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Quote from: Oakleafer93 on June 01, 2009, 04:40:24 PM
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Quote from: Oakleafer93 on June 01, 2009, 04:10:24 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on June 01, 2009, 04:06:29 PM
Thats it no one is aloud to touch Ronan Clarke the next game. Its f**king Gealic football lads and lassies. I am sure Clarke gets alot worse in a club game in Armagh.
There are 4 pictures of sports file of Gormley pulling, dragging, holding and pushing Clarke in the back. Gormley just wasn't fit for him and should have seen the sidelines a lot earlier for the persistent fouling.
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/356110/5000/
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/356118/5000/
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/356163/5000/
i can recall atleast 2 instances were gormley won the ball cleanly in front of clarke only for clarke to pull and drag him back,tyrone got frees for this, yet no ticking or yellow for these!it happens all the time, were forwards get away with fouling the defender coming out, yet if the same foul had been commited by gormley it would have been a ticking or yellow card.
I'm not trying to defend gormley, as i thought he was rightly shown a second yellow, but clarke wasnt totally innocent either!
Not sure what all the compalining about gormley is about, yes he fouled clarke on occassion, but there were frees given for this, and when it became persistant he was sent off, as far a im concerned for once a referee applied the rules correctly and with some common sense
There wasn't but, Clarke didn't get half the free's he deserved.
disagree, thought when he was fouled he got the frees, on 3 or 4 ocassions.because the foul count started to build, gormley was sent off
mc ennany got the majority of his decisions right and all the big calls right, can't really ask for more than that from a referee
best team won but gormley got away with persistent fouling on clarke, everyone neutral or otherwise was of this opinion, indeed when aaron kernan got pulled back in the last couple of mins we were 3 on 2 for a goal chance, thought this also merited a yellow card
he got sent off, how is this getting away with it? :-\
What he means is Gormley should have been sent off a lot earlier, this is a common view among neutrals.
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on June 01, 2009, 05:15:32 PM
What he means is Gormley should have been sent off a lot earlier, this is a common view among neutrals.
Don't make me laugh Oakleafer, you are about as neutral as Ian Paisley
Quote from: Doogie Browser on June 01, 2009, 05:16:59 PM
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on June 01, 2009, 05:15:32 PM
What he means is Gormley should have been sent off a lot earlier, this is a common view among neutrals.
Don't make me laugh Oakleafer, you are about as neutral as Ian Paisley
How-explain to me how?
Quote from: Doogie Browser on June 01, 2009, 05:16:59 PM
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on June 01, 2009, 05:15:32 PM
What he means is Gormley should have been sent off a lot earlier, this is a common view among neutrals.
Don't make me laugh Oakleafer, you are about as neutral as Ian Paisley
:D
OakLeafer93, you seem to have a certain dislike for Conor Gormely. Fair enough yesterday he probably deserved his bookings but in no ways were the fouls dirty. A few cynical ones maybe but any duals like you seen between Gormley and Clarke yesterday is going to result in alot of fouls. Its the same with any top class forward, on form they are unstopable and defenders do all they can to stop them. More often than not, its the fact that they are late going for the ball, the forward gets it first and ends up giving away a foul. Also the fact that they are the last line of defense. I'll hold out my judgement to wait and see how Kevin McCloy copes with Sean Cavanagh in a few weeks time. McCloy may be physical, but IMO far from a footballer.
Oakleafer and some of the Armagh girls on here think it should be played like netball. Listening to Jarlath Burns on the TV last week could be the cause of it.
I think a few people around here could be included in Brollys article today.
Oakleader is only saying what the majority of neutrals have already stated, completely cynical/'professional' fouling of a man who couldn't come to terms with a top forward, there is no shame in that.
Kevin McCloy has no relevance to this debate whatsoever. Petty and lazy comparison
Wonder will Clarkes old man give Gormley a few extra laps at club training tonight?
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on June 01, 2009, 06:22:11 PM
Wonder will Clarkes old man give Gormley a few extra laps at club training tonight?
:D Forgot all about that
Quote from: DennistheMenace on June 01, 2009, 06:11:48 PM
Oakleader is only saying what the majority of neutrals have already stated, completely cynical/'professional' fouling of a man who couldn't come to terms with a top forward, there is no shame in that.
Kevin McCloy has no relevance to this debate whatsoever. Petty and lazy comparison
block got sent off for 2nd yellow card offence ... end of story!!!
overall , he had a grand game and tackled hard and fair like the class defender he is.
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on June 01, 2009, 06:04:01 PM
OakLeafer93, you seem to have a certain dislike for Conor Gormely. Fair enough yesterday he probably deserved his bookings but in no ways were the fouls dirty.
Where have I said they were dirty? I merely said he pulled Clarkes Jersey and pushed him in the back numerous times..which he did. I don't have a dislike for Gormley, I think he is a great player but he fouls a lot on most games and it's only now the ref have picked up on it.
A few cynical ones maybe but any duals like you seen between Gormley and Clarke yesterday is going to result in alot of fouls. Its the same with any top class forward, on form they are unstopable and defenders do all they can to stop them. More often than not, its the fact that they are late going for the ball, the forward gets it first and ends up giving away a foul. Also the fact that they are the last line of defense. I'll hold out my judgement to wait and see how Kevin McCloy copes with Sean Cavanagh in a few weeks time. McCloy may be physical, but IMO far from a footballer. His All Star 2 years ago tells otherwise, thats your opinion but I think Kevin is a talisman in defence.
Quote from: kickingmule on June 01, 2009, 06:41:39 PM
Quote from: DennistheMenace on June 01, 2009, 06:11:48 PM
Oakleader is only saying what the majority of neutrals have already stated, completely cynical/'professional' fouling of a man who couldn't come to terms with a top forward, there is no shame in that.
Kevin McCloy has no relevance to this debate whatsoever. Petty and lazy comparison
block got sent off for 2nd yellow card offence ... end of story!!!
overall , he had a grand game and tackled hard and fair like the class defender he is.
Doesnt make much sense to send him off for persistant fouling then!
Conor Gormley knows he was treading a fine line all day and more or less admitted it
QuoteTyrone defender Conor Gormley has vowed to learn from his mistakes after he received two yellow cards during yesterday's Ulster SFC win over Armagh.
Tyrone had to dig deep to see off the challenge of a battling Armagh side and their cause was not helped by being reduced to 14-men in the second half.
Gormley scored his first championship goal, but was later sent off and he admits that he was threading a fine line before his dismissal.
"There were a couple of times I shouldn't have fouled,'' he commented. "Nobody wants to get a red card. It's a learning point for me. I take it on the chin.''
Did anyone set the Sky + to record the match on BBC2 and come home to find it hadn t recorded?
Happened to me and 3 or 4 others at work.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 01, 2009, 06:47:34 PM
Quote from: kickingmule on June 01, 2009, 06:41:39 PM
Quote from: DennistheMenace on June 01, 2009, 06:11:48 PM
Oakleader is only saying what the majority of neutrals have already stated, completely cynical/'professional' fouling of a man who couldn't come to terms with a top forward, there is no shame in that.
Kevin McCloy has no relevance to this debate whatsoever. Petty and lazy comparison
block got sent off for 2nd yellow card offence ... end of story!!!
overall , he had a grand game and tackled hard and fair like the class defender he is.
Doesnt make much sense to send him off for persistant fouling then!
persistant fouling??? ::) ...i believe he was set off for 2nd yellow card offence!!!
Quote from: corn02 on June 01, 2009, 04:45:47 PM
Quote from: AFS on June 01, 2009, 04:42:52 PM
Quote from: qz on June 01, 2009, 04:28:58 PM
Not sure why there are posters referring to Armagh as a "very young team". There were only 4 players to start who were under 25. Donaghy, the 2 midfielders and the late replacement #28 according to the programme bio listing.
Or put another way, of the 19 players used yesterday 13 were 26 or under.
Superb AFS.
I wouldn't consider a batch of 25 year olds as young players.
Quote from: kickingmule on June 01, 2009, 07:04:34 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 01, 2009, 06:47:34 PM
Quote from: kickingmule on June 01, 2009, 06:41:39 PM
Quote from: DennistheMenace on June 01, 2009, 06:11:48 PM
Oakleader is only saying what the majority of neutrals have already stated, completely cynical/'professional' fouling of a man who couldn't come to terms with a top forward, there is no shame in that.
Kevin McCloy has no relevance to this debate whatsoever. Petty and lazy comparison
block got sent off for 2nd yellow card offence ... end of story!!!
overall , he had a grand game and tackled hard and fair like the class defender he is.
Doesnt make much sense to send him off for persistant fouling then!
persistant fouling??? ::) ...i believe he was set off for 2nd yellow card offence!!!
and what did he get the cards for? ::)
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 01, 2009, 07:26:36 PM
Quote from: kickingmule on June 01, 2009, 07:04:34 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 01, 2009, 06:47:34 PM
Quote from: kickingmule on June 01, 2009, 06:41:39 PM
Quote from: DennistheMenace on June 01, 2009, 06:11:48 PM
Oakleader is only saying what the majority of neutrals have already stated, completely cynical/'professional' fouling of a man who couldn't come to terms with a top forward, there is no shame in that.
Kevin McCloy has no relevance to this debate whatsoever. Petty and lazy comparison
block got sent off for 2nd yellow card offence ... end of story!!!
overall , he had a grand game and tackled hard and fair like the class defender he is.
Doesnt make much sense to send him off for persistant fouling then!
persistant fouling??? ::) ...i believe he was set off for 2nd yellow card offence!!!
and what did he get the cards for? ::)
maybe good luck.. for ulster and all-ireland finals!!! what you reckon? ;)
I thought Gormley could've had a 2nd yellow a foul or two earlier to be fair. I don't think it deserves 29 pages on it though.
Did anyone watch the BBC coverage. Awful.
The fella doing analyis or co commentating had to be prompted all day.
Commentator- A foul there Kevin?
Kevin- Aye he pulled his jersey.
Commentator- A harsh yellow do you think?
Kevin- I've seen them given.
I swore the commentator sighed once.
Who's Kevin? Was it Sidebottom commentating?
Haven't read through all the posts since yesterday but some thoughts (which probably have been debated already!). Fairly enjoyable game, played in the right spirit (unlike the shite that went on the week before). From an Armagh point of view i've mixed feelings. Some encouraging signs and displays. The likes of Donaghy and Lavery in particular really stood up and delivered in a tough game. I liked the way the team responded to being 8 points down. If the spirit was low, they could easily have thrown in the towel. But they showed a lot of grit and with a bit of luck could have snatched it. Not as disappointed as losing as i should be, but there are worrying signs that the lessons from last year haven't been learned. The half forwards are not contributing anything on the scoresheet and until that's fixed we're not going to trouble enough teams. Been saying that for 4 or 5 years now though and nothing has changed. Far too much is centred on McDonnell and particularly Clarke's shoulders. Clarke is winning most of the ball as usual but is being constantly fouled (Gormley yesterday should have walked much earlier) - others need to step up and give him some support. What's the problem here? Are players like Mallon being told to sit back and not get forward or do they not have the ability to do it? It's strange. Why not give the likes of Forker a try in the half forwards as another scoring option. Vernon or McKenna possible options as well. On the flipside yesterday the half forwards didn't do a great job of stopping Tyrone's half backs attacking so it wasn't as if they were doing sterling work on the defensive side. Too much possession is going through Martin O'Rourke - he's a great trier and gives his all but we need more accuracy in the passing and Martin's possession to accuracy ratio ain't good. Again, Hearty was the cause of another couple of silly scores - and even the O'Neill goal he could have done better with -getting beat at his near post. Disappointed too that Peter McDonnell only made a few subs when we went 8 down - the writing was on the wall before that and changes should have been made before the pattern of the game was reflected on the scoreboard.
The big advantage that Tyrone have is their running and support - they've players who can cover a lot of ground on the ball and players in support all the time. They have players who put in the hard yards as they say. The likes of Justin McMahon and Enda McGinley went on a few lung bursting runs in serious heat yesterday. Armagh and other sides need to be willing to match that level of intensity and desire if they're to beat Tyrone.
Great to see the minors winning and halting the Tyrone underage conveyor belt for a year anyway!
Quote from: Armamike on June 01, 2009, 08:41:43 PM
Great to see the minors winning and halting the Tyrone underage conveyor belt for a year anyway!
Yep it certainly was a great win for the minors. Here is coverage of the minor game for those who were still in the bar.........
http://armaghgaa.info/forum/f5/minors-armagh-2-8-1-9-tyrone-157/
Jesus CLones was hot on sunday, i got completely roasted. Tyrone deserved victory on the day, they had just a bit too much class with the likes of o neill, Dooher & Cavanagh. I must say I went on sunday in hoping that we would'nt get slaughtered & fair play to the massive Armagh support which turned out on the day. To be honest, i quite enjoyed the game, it was played in a good spirit & I think Armagh can tale a lot of positives from the game. Mid field can be deemed a success, indeed Lavery (Much maligned) was one of armaghs best performers and scored an excellent point. Clarke was well shaparoned by Gormley, but stuck at it and scored a gr8 goal. Kernan had a good second half & stevie, brian mallon & young o rourke give everything. The Armagh defence was excellent, particualry mc keever, donaghy & mallon (motm for armagh). I thought we did a lot of things very well, running & securing possession, tackling with tenasity & standing up to be counted, particularly when things looks like they were pulling away. The real problem was the dreadful quality ball which went into clarke & inaccurate passing in general. We were gr8 up until the final third, which has long been our achilles heel. Duffy tired hard, but is not a CHF, i thought hearty was v lucky not to be replaced, he was at fault for at least 2 points and he generally panics in possession.
Personally i think, while disappointed, Armagh fans left on sunday, not too down hearted, the team give a good account of themselves & give 100%, you can't aslk for much more. We were playing a superb tyrone team at leats 3 years further on than us. Looking forward to the back door drwa, there seems to be life in a few new dogs yet. Up Armagh
Quote from: Bensars on June 01, 2009, 01:03:03 PM
Quote from: corn02 on June 01, 2009, 12:49:09 PM
The end of the day performance meant more than result - and the second half performance was pleasing.
Win, a lot of people agree with you, but for me Henderson did not have a great league campaign. He had one spectacular match and was disappointing there after.
Performance meaning more than than result is an excuse trotted out by losers. If Armagh had have won that game yesterday playing ugly, there would'nt have been too many in the orchard county complaining.
You are very wrong on that score. Winning ugly and making it a foul fest isn't the road to long term success for any side, better to play a certain way and build on that for the long term.
Great game for the summer sun of Clones.
Armagh supporters happy to get away with being able to say "with a bit of luck we could have stolen it" while really knowing they were fortunate to leave the ground without a dominated double-digit hammering but for Tyrone's wayward shooting and passing up on a couple of extra goal chances.
All's fair in love and war!
Good Lad OTB, waiting for an insightful in-depth post from you and you didn't disappoint! ::) ::)
Quote from: Gaffer on June 01, 2009, 06:56:52 PM
Did anyone set the Sky + to record the match on BBC2 and come home to find it hadn t recorded?
Happened to me and 3 or 4 others at work.
Yea, came home to find some show at 2pm today was to be recorded.
Quote from: Armamike on June 01, 2009, 10:03:35 PM
Quote from: Bensars on June 01, 2009, 01:03:03 PM
Quote from: corn02 on June 01, 2009, 12:49:09 PM
The end of the day performance meant more than result - and the second half performance was pleasing.
Win, a lot of people agree with you, but for me Henderson did not have a great league campaign. He had one spectacular match and was disappointing there after.
Performance meaning more than than result is an excuse trotted out by losers. If Armagh had have won that game yesterday playing ugly, there would'nt have been too many in the orchard county complaining.
You are very wrong on that score. Winning ugly and making it a foul fest isn't the road to long term success for any side, better to play a certain way and build on that for the long term.
Excellent point Armamike! However I think your post belongs here:
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=12441.0
Very good.
read a post from a tyrone fan a few pages back who said its a disgrace that armagh are happy with a 3 point defeat.
i say to that person what do you propose we do? take positives from the game and build for the qualifiers or call for the managers head like you did last year?
Quotei say to that person what do you propose we do? take positives from the game and build for the qualifiers or call for the managers head like you did last year?
maybe that's the difference between contenders for Sam and a flash in the pan? ;)
Quote from: ArmaghGAAforum on June 01, 2009, 09:26:10 PM
Quote from: Armamike on June 01, 2009, 08:41:43 PM
Great to see the minors winning and halting the Tyrone underage conveyor belt for a year anyway!
Yep it certainly was a great win for the minors. Here is coverage of the minor game for those who were still in the bar.........
http://armaghgaa.info/forum/f5/minors-armagh-2-8-1-9-tyrone-157/
Thanks for the link.
Quote from: never kickt a ball on June 01, 2009, 11:15:53 PM
Quote from: Armamike on June 01, 2009, 10:03:35 PM
Quote from: Bensars on June 01, 2009, 01:03:03 PM
Quote from: corn02 on June 01, 2009, 12:49:09 PM
The end of the day performance meant more than result - and the second half performance was pleasing.
Win, a lot of people agree with you, but for me Henderson did not have a great league campaign. He had one spectacular match and was disappointing there after.
Performance meaning more than than result is an excuse trotted out by losers. If Armagh had have won that game yesterday playing ugly, there would'nt have been too many in the orchard county complaining.
You are very wrong on that score. Winning ugly and making it a foul fest isn't the road to long term success for any side, better to play a certain way and build on that for the long term.
Excellent point Armamike! However I think your post belongs here:
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=12441.0
:D :D
Quote from: mackers on June 01, 2009, 11:01:41 PM
Good Lad OTB, waiting for an insightful in-depth post from you and you didn't disappoint! ::) ::)
Quote from: Gaffer on June 01, 2009, 06:56:52 PM
Did anyone set the Sky + to record the match on BBC2 and come home to find it hadn t recorded?
Happened to me and 3 or 4 others at work.
Yea, came home to find some show at 2pm today was to be recorded.
Mine missed the first minute or so but recorded everything else
mine didnt even acknowledge that it had failed to record.
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 01, 2009, 04:13:50 PM
QuoteI'd also wonder how much more damage Clarke could've caused if he was given some actual protection by the referee...
I agree with Carmen. As for protection, that looks like the move from which he scored the goal so if the ref had given him the 'protection' you insist he deserves Armagh would have had a free instead of ending up with a 3-pointer. As for saying he deserves protection, I don't recall him being in a position yesterday that seemed like their was a danger to his safety, the term protection should have been applied to anyone who happened to be playing at N0.14 on teams playing against Armagh in recent years.
yet more shite about Bellew from a sheep who would believe the sky was green if enough people told him. Bellew was not a dirty player, and was consistently singled out by certain referees in recent years. I cant remember a single intercounty match where he has been cited for dangerous play and received any reprimand or lengthy ban. He certainly never drove his knees into an opponents throat like a certain Tyrone corner back......
Quote from: eireogatron on June 02, 2009, 10:17:03 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 01, 2009, 04:13:50 PM
QuoteI'd also wonder how much more damage Clarke could've caused if he was given some actual protection by the referee...
I agree with Carmen. As for protection, that looks like the move from which he scored the goal so if the ref had given him the 'protection' you insist he deserves Armagh would have had a free instead of ending up with a 3-pointer. As for saying he deserves protection, I don't recall him being in a position yesterday that seemed like their was a danger to his safety, the term protection should have been applied to anyone who happened to be playing at N0.14 on teams playing against Armagh in recent years.
yet more shite about Bellew from a sheep who would believe the sky was green if enough people told him. Bellew was not a dirty player, and was consistently singled out by certain referees in recent years. I cant remember a single intercounty match where he has been cited for dangerous play and received any reprimand or lengthy ban. He certainly never drove his knees into an opponents throat like a certain Tyrone corner back......
Nope just tried to bust Mickey Linden in his twilight years, what a brave honest gent.
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 02, 2009, 10:25:29 AM
Quote from: eireogatron on June 02, 2009, 10:17:03 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 01, 2009, 04:13:50 PM
QuoteI'd also wonder how much more damage Clarke could've caused if he was given some actual protection by the referee...
I agree with Carmen. As for protection, that looks like the move from which he scored the goal so if the ref had given him the 'protection' you insist he deserves Armagh would have had a free instead of ending up with a 3-pointer. As for saying he deserves protection, I don't recall him being in a position yesterday that seemed like their was a danger to his safety, the term protection should have been applied to anyone who happened to be playing at N0.14 on teams playing against Armagh in recent years.
yet more shite about Bellew from a sheep who would believe the sky was green if enough people told him. Bellew was not a dirty player, and was consistently singled out by certain referees in recent years. I cant remember a single intercounty match where he has been cited for dangerous play and received any reprimand or lengthy ban. He certainly never drove his knees into an opponents throat like a certain Tyrone corner back......
Nope just tried to bust Mickey Linden in his twilight years, what a brave honest gent.
Please, please, please don't start this again. Young Charlie Vernon is nursing one hell of a jaw from virtually an identical tackle in a recent challenge match and have you seen one Armagh poster complain? Hospital Passes didn't get their name for nothing you know!!
Quote from: mackers on June 02, 2009, 10:51:28 AM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 02, 2009, 10:25:29 AM
Quote from: eireogatron on June 02, 2009, 10:17:03 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 01, 2009, 04:13:50 PM
QuoteI'd also wonder how much more damage Clarke could've caused if he was given some actual protection by the referee...
I agree with Carmen. As for protection, that looks like the move from which he scored the goal so if the ref had given him the 'protection' you insist he deserves Armagh would have had a free instead of ending up with a 3-pointer. As for saying he deserves protection, I don't recall him being in a position yesterday that seemed like their was a danger to his safety, the term protection should have been applied to anyone who happened to be playing at N0.14 on teams playing against Armagh in recent years.
yet more shite about Bellew from a sheep who would believe the sky was green if enough people told him. Bellew was not a dirty player, and was consistently singled out by certain referees in recent years. I cant remember a single intercounty match where he has been cited for dangerous play and received any reprimand or lengthy ban. He certainly never drove his knees into an opponents throat like a certain Tyrone corner back......
Nope just tried to bust Mickey Linden in his twilight years, what a brave honest gent.
Please, please, please don't start this again. Young Charlie Vernon is nursing one hell of a jaw from virtually an identical tackle in a recent challenge match and have you seen one Armagh poster complain? Hospital Passes didn't get their name for nothing you know!!
All this talk of Francie being dirty just doesn't stand up - how many times was Francie sent off for Armagh ?? Wasn;t there an occasion where the referee sent him off in the wrong and he got it turned over as well ?
Yip , Francie only ever got one red card against Donegal, and he got it recinded the following week
correctamundo!1 And on the Linden thing, I saw the challenge and, although it was definitely a terrible collision - it was still that - a collision. No strike, no stamp etc.
I agree with the Armagh posters, the bellew hardman thing is a myth. If the wee forwards playing against him had been afraid of him he would have won more than 1 all ireland but they roasted him time and time again as they went on to collect their due rewards.
Quote from: rrhf on June 02, 2009, 11:43:15 AM
I agree with the Armagh posters, the bellew hardman thing is a myth. If the wee forwards playing against him had been afraid of him he would have won more than 1 all ireland but they roasted him time and time again as they went on to collect their due rewards.
What?????
windin'
Quote from: rrhf on June 02, 2009, 11:53:14 AM
windin'
:o ::) ;D
having said that 13 club titles, 7 Ulster club, 4 All Ireland Club, 5 Intercounty Ulster, 1 National League, an All Ireland and an All Star (with numerous Ulster awards and nominations), isnt so bad..... ;)
Quote from: eireogatron on June 02, 2009, 12:03:59 PM
Quote from: rrhf on June 02, 2009, 11:53:14 AM
windin'
:o ::) ;D
having said that 13 club titles, 7 Ulster club, 4 All Ireland Club, 5 Intercounty Ulster, 1 National League, an All Ireland and an All Star (with numerous Ulster awards and nominations), isnt so bad..... ;)
Jesus but that's some haul of medals. You'd need some cabinet to hold that lot.
my favourite bellew moment was in the 2005 semi final when him and sean cavanagh shoulder each other full pelt. big francie hit the deck to be followed about ten seconds later by sc. a true earth shattering but honest hit by both. it's what makes our games special!!
QuotePlease, please, please don't start this again. Young Charlie Vernon is nursing one hell of a jaw from virtually an identical tackle in a recent challenge match and have you seen one Armagh poster complain? Hospital Passes didn't get their name for nothing you know!!
Maybe because it was a low key friendly watched by very few, maybe if it had been shown on tv more would have been made of it, if in fact there was any malice.
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 02, 2009, 01:39:15 PM
QuotePlease, please, please don't start this again. Young Charlie Vernon is nursing one hell of a jaw from virtually an identical tackle in a recent challenge match and have you seen one Armagh poster complain? Hospital Passes didn't get their name for nothing you know!!
Maybe because it was a low key friendly watched by very few, maybe if it had been shown on tv more would have been made of it, if in fact there was any malice.
not sure if this is the right spelling, but as its vernacular i'll give it a go.......
phffffffffffffffffffttttttttttttt!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: eireogatron on June 02, 2009, 12:03:59 PM
Quote from: rrhf on June 02, 2009, 11:53:14 AM
windin'
:o ::) ;D
having said that 13 club titles, 7 Ulster club, 4 All Ireland Club, 5 Intercounty Ulster, 1 National League, an All Ireland and an All Star (with numerous Ulster awards and nominations), isnt so bad..... ;)
Not bad for a man that rarely kicked a ball - had he feet on him like shovels? ;)
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 02, 2009, 01:39:15 PM
QuotePlease, please, please don't start this again. Young Charlie Vernon is nursing one hell of a jaw from virtually an identical tackle in a recent challenge match and have you seen one Armagh poster complain? Hospital Passes didn't get their name for nothing you know!!
Maybe because it was a low key friendly watched by very few, maybe if it had been shown on tv more would have been made of it, if in fact there was any malice.
Bullsh1t!! Have a look through the Armagh Club Thread, it was discussed by a number of Armagh posters and not one complaint. In fact you make a valid point, it was a low key friendly which probably makes it worse, at least Francie had an Ulster Club title on the line when he made his challenge.
Quote from: mackers on June 02, 2009, 10:51:28 AM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 02, 2009, 10:25:29 AM
Quote from: eireogatron on June 02, 2009, 10:17:03 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 01, 2009, 04:13:50 PM
QuoteI'd also wonder how much more damage Clarke could've caused if he was given some actual protection by the referee...
I agree with Carmen. As for protection, that looks like the move from which he scored the goal so if the ref had given him the 'protection' you insist he deserves Armagh would have had a free instead of ending up with a 3-pointer. As for saying he deserves protection, I don't recall him being in a position yesterday that seemed like their was a danger to his safety, the term protection should have been applied to anyone who happened to be playing at N0.14 on teams playing against Armagh in recent years.
yet more shite about Bellew from a sheep who would believe the sky was green if enough people told him. Bellew was not a dirty player, and was consistently singled out by certain referees in recent years. I cant remember a single intercounty match where he has been cited for dangerous play and received any reprimand or lengthy ban. He certainly never drove his knees into an opponents throat like a certain Tyrone corner back......
Nope just tried to bust Mickey Linden in his twilight years, what a brave honest gent.
Young Charlie Vernon is nursing one hell of a jaw from virtually an identical tackle in a recent challenge match
There is no comparison between Bellew's tackle on Mickey Linden where he had neither his feet on the ground nor his eye on the ball and Vernon suffering a broken jaw when he & Bastic competed for a 50/50 ball
Quote from: heffo on June 02, 2009, 03:28:26 PM
Quote from: mackers on June 02, 2009, 10:51:28 AM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 02, 2009, 10:25:29 AM
Quote from: eireogatron on June 02, 2009, 10:17:03 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 01, 2009, 04:13:50 PM
QuoteI'd also wonder how much more damage Clarke could've caused if he was given some actual protection by the referee...
I agree with Carmen. As for protection, that looks like the move from which he scored the goal so if the ref had given him the 'protection' you insist he deserves Armagh would have had a free instead of ending up with a 3-pointer. As for saying he deserves protection, I don't recall him being in a position yesterday that seemed like their was a danger to his safety, the term protection should have been applied to anyone who happened to be playing at N0.14 on teams playing against Armagh in recent years.
yet more shite about Bellew from a sheep who would believe the sky was green if enough people told him. Bellew was not a dirty player, and was consistently singled out by certain referees in recent years. I cant remember a single intercounty match where he has been cited for dangerous play and received any reprimand or lengthy ban. He certainly never drove his knees into an opponents throat like a certain Tyrone corner back......
Nope just tried to bust Mickey Linden in his twilight years, what a brave honest gent.
Young Charlie Vernon is nursing one hell of a jaw from virtually an identical tackle in a recent challenge match
There is no comparison between Bellew's tackle on Mickey Linden where he had neither his feet on the ground nor his eye on the ball and Vernon suffering a broken jaw when he & Bastic competed for a 50/50 ball
have you even seen the challenge?? type the names into google and its about 7 mins into the top video. you clearly see Linden catch the ball and as he runs Francie plants BOTH feet on the ground and shoulders him. Unfortunately for Linden he runs square on to it, and sustains quite a nasty injury.
Please dont make up sh1te about Francie jumping in the air etc as it is total bullsh1t.
still a filthy tackle. regardless of whether he had one foot up or was doing the hokey cokey before the tackle
dont think it was filthy. he didn't jump, raise his fists or anything, merely planted himself and stood his ground. It was Lindens momentum, and his height that transpired to cause the injury. I think Francie just wanted to hit him a good hard shoulder and unfortunately it ended up with Linden being hurt when the shoulder caught him square on.
Disappointin result and performance on sunday in my view. it's annoying to read posters happy with ending up close enough to tyrone. the reality is tyrone took the foot off the pedal when they went 8 up - harte talked at length about being perturbed about it after the game.
the most diappointing aspect was, after winning the midfield battle, we squandered the lions share of possession that that gave us. distribution was terrible from the middle sector into the forward line. the biggst culprits were mor, aaron and moriarty. so much ball kicked and fisted away under no pressure. McKeever was probably the man needed to use the ball better but he was back in corner back for most of the first half.
i have no complaints about gormley's handling of clarke. you do what you can get way with and a good defender knows the referee's boundaries. stevie was very poor. he's unable to take a man on - never was his game anyway - and he's too far from goal when he collects possession. i don't see the logic in playing him in the half forward line. for me, duffy and mallon were poor too. young o'rourke started brightly but thereafter spent the game hiding in behind, leaving clarke to make all the runs out in front for the ball.
Lavery pleasantly surprised me and thank god for it. himself, andy m, McKeever, Shannon and donaghy all excelled but the rest were average at best in my view. unfortunately the smokescreen of a decent showing will take the heat off McDonnell a bit but the reality is that armagh were never set up to beat tyrone and that reflects badly on the manager. on top of that, the glaring flaws in how the team were playing weren't addressed til the game was all but lost.
Quote from: INDIANA on June 02, 2009, 04:22:58 PM
still a filthy tackle. regardless of whether he had one foot up or was doing the hokey cokey before the tackle
This is a bit rich coming from a Dub considering all the "hatchet men" they produced down the years. ::) ::)
Quote from: eireogatron on June 02, 2009, 04:32:45 PM
dont think it was filthy. he didn't jump, raise his fists or anything, merely planted himself and stood his ground. It was Lindens momentum, and his height that transpired to cause the injury. I think Francie just wanted to hit him a good hard shoulder and unfortunately it ended up with Linden being hurt when the shoulder caught him square on.
I would agree with that - Francie went out to stop him, not take the teeth out of him.
Quote from: talktothehand on June 02, 2009, 12:58:07 PM
my favourite bellew moment was in the 2005 semi final when him and sean cavanagh shoulder each other full pelt. big francie hit the deck to be followed about ten seconds later by sc. a true earth shattering but honest hit by both. it's what makes our games special!!
One of the greatest edge of the seat matches i've witnessed live
Anyone know where i could watch the match again online?
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 03, 2009, 10:51:42 AM
Disappointin result and performance on sunday in my view. it's annoying to read posters happy with ending up close enough to tyrone. the reality is tyrone took the foot off the pedal when they went 8 up - harte talked at length about being perturbed about it after the game.
the most diappointing aspect was, after winning the midfield battle, we squandered the lions share of possession that that gave us. distribution was terrible from the middle sector into the forward line. the biggst culprits were mor, aaron and moriarty. so much ball kicked and fisted away under no pressure. McKeever was probably the man needed to use the ball better but he was back in corner back for most of the first half.
i have no complaints about gormley's handling of clarke. you do what you can get way with and a good defender knows the referee's boundaries. stevie was very poor. he's unable to take a man on - never was his game anyway - and he's too far from goal when he collects possession. i don't see the logic in playing him in the half forward line. for me, duffy and mallon were poor too. young o'rourke started brightly but thereafter spent the game hiding in behind, leaving clarke to make all the runs out in front for the ball.
Lavery pleasantly surprised me and thank god for it. himself, andy m, McKeever, Shannon and donaghy all excelled but the rest were average at best in my view. unfortunately the smokescreen of a decent showing will take the heat off McDonnell a bit but the reality is that armagh were never set up to beat tyrone and that reflects badly on the manager. on top of that, the glaring flaws in how the team were playing weren't addressed til the game was all but lost.
Couldn't disagree with any of that. For the next match i'd like to see Toner at full-back, Donaghy moved to half back to replace Moriarity (Donaghy being strong defensively and good on the ball going forward) with McKenna and Vernon as BC1 and Illdecide have suggested to form a good solid three around midfield. Lavery could hold midfield, allowing Vernon as a second midfielder and McKenna named at half forward to take turns getting forward. This would give a lot more strength to the full-back, half back, midfield and half forwards. Martin O'Rourke needs to be there as a ball winner but his job has to be to lay the ball off as soon as he gets it - with the likes of the half backs, kernan and Donaghy, running off him to take a short pass at speed. Tell him to stay put around that midfield area and mop the ball up and give it (no soloing or messing around, just lay it off with a handpass). IMO if he doesn't do that he's not contributing. Martin needs to be given a very specific job to do to play to his strengths and to help the team. I'd like to see Stefan Forker or Kevin O'Rourke tried out in the half forward line for a bit more scoring threat, or Brian Mallon told to get forward more. The half forwards at present still are getting caught between 2 stools, they're neither attackers nor defenders. They need to get in and support McDonnell and Clarke who are left stranded far too often, and outnumbered. I think with a few positional switches and change of tactics we'd have a much more solid, balanced team.
Quote from: Armamike on June 03, 2009, 08:38:52 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 03, 2009, 10:51:42 AM
Disappointin result and performance on sunday in my view. it's annoying to read posters happy with ending up close enough to tyrone. the reality is tyrone took the foot off the pedal when they went 8 up - harte talked at length about being perturbed about it after the game.
the most diappointing aspect was, after winning the midfield battle, we squandered the lions share of possession that that gave us. distribution was terrible from the middle sector into the forward line. the biggst culprits were mor, aaron and moriarty. so much ball kicked and fisted away under no pressure. McKeever was probably the man needed to use the ball better but he was back in corner back for most of the first half.
i have no complaints about gormley's handling of clarke. you do what you can get way with and a good defender knows the referee's boundaries. stevie was very poor. he's unable to take a man on - never was his game anyway - and he's too far from goal when he collects possession. i don't see the logic in playing him in the half forward line. for me, duffy and mallon were poor too. young o'rourke started brightly but thereafter spent the game hiding in behind, leaving clarke to make all the runs out in front for the ball.
Lavery pleasantly surprised me and thank god for it. himself, andy m, McKeever, Shannon and donaghy all excelled but the rest were average at best in my view. unfortunately the smokescreen of a decent showing will take the heat off McDonnell a bit but the reality is that armagh were never set up to beat tyrone and that reflects badly on the manager. on top of that, the glaring flaws in how the team were playing weren't addressed til the game was all but lost.
Couldn't disagree with any of that. For the next match i'd like to see Toner at full-back, Donaghy moved to half back to replace Moriarity (Donaghy being strong defensively and good on the ball going forward) with McKenna and Vernon as BC1 and Illdecide have suggested to form a good solid three around midfield. Lavery could hold midfield, allowing Vernon as a second midfielder and McKenna named at half forward to take turns getting forward. This would give a lot more strength to the full-back, half back, midfield and half forwards. Martin O'Rourke needs to be there as a ball winner but his job has to be to lay the ball off as soon as he gets it - with men running off him to take a short pass at speed. Tell him to stay put around that midfield area and mop the ball up and give it (no soloing or messing around, just lay it off with a handpass). IMO if he doesn't do that he's not contributing. Martin needs to be given a very specific job to do to play to his strengths and to help the team. I'd like to see Stefan Forker or Kevin O'Rourke tried out in the half forward line for a bit more scoring threat, or Brian Mallon told to get forward more. The half forwards at present still are getting caught between 2 stools, they're neither attackers nor defenders. They need to get in and support McDonnell and Clarke who are left stranded far too often, and outnumbered. I think with a few positional switches and change of tactics we'd have a much more solid, balanced team.
I think that amount of change should be kept for the McKenna cup or the start of the league. We need a fairly settled team and Peter should be making a small number of changes. Obviosly some of these will be triggered by Vernon coming back in.
Consider that we only needed 25% of the misplaced passes to get though and we could have beaten Tyrone. For example, near the end of the game, a high ball was punted in to the edge of the square. Clarke, Tony K and th defender went for it, and it fumblled out to the defender's hands. If only Tony had stayed back to wait for a flick from Clarke.
The existing team will probably beat the majority of backdoor teams.
Good points men.
I think the league was not that well used by the manager anyways for viewing prospective players.
It worreis me that most people could predict where our shortcomings where going to be, yet the man in a position to do something is oblivious.
McDonnell must feel the team he put out on Sunday was his best, so I don't expect him to change it around much, if any.
Quote from: Orior on June 03, 2009, 08:54:53 PM
Quote from: Armamike on June 03, 2009, 08:38:52 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 03, 2009, 10:51:42 AM
Disappointin result and performance on sunday in my view. it's annoying to read posters happy with ending up close enough to tyrone. the reality is tyrone took the foot off the pedal when they went 8 up - harte talked at length about being perturbed about it after the game.
the most diappointing aspect was, after winning the midfield battle, we squandered the lions share of possession that that gave us. distribution was terrible from the middle sector into the forward line. the biggst culprits were mor, aaron and moriarty. so much ball kicked and fisted away under no pressure. McKeever was probably the man needed to use the ball better but he was back in corner back for most of the first half.
i have no complaints about gormley's handling of clarke. you do what you can get way with and a good defender knows the referee's boundaries. stevie was very poor. he's unable to take a man on - never was his game anyway - and he's too far from goal when he collects possession. i don't see the logic in playing him in the half forward line. for me, duffy and mallon were poor too. young o'rourke started brightly but thereafter spent the game hiding in behind, leaving clarke to make all the runs out in front for the ball.
Lavery pleasantly surprised me and thank god for it. himself, andy m, McKeever, Shannon and donaghy all excelled but the rest were average at best in my view. unfortunately the smokescreen of a decent showing will take the heat off McDonnell a bit but the reality is that armagh were never set up to beat tyrone and that reflects badly on the manager. on top of that, the glaring flaws in how the team were playing weren't addressed til the game was all but lost.
Couldn't disagree with any of that. For the next match i'd like to see Toner at full-back, Donaghy moved to half back to replace Moriarity (Donaghy being strong defensively and good on the ball going forward) with McKenna and Vernon as BC1 and Illdecide have suggested to form a good solid three around midfield. Lavery could hold midfield, allowing Vernon as a second midfielder and McKenna named at half forward to take turns getting forward. This would give a lot more strength to the full-back, half back, midfield and half forwards. Martin O'Rourke needs to be there as a ball winner but his job has to be to lay the ball off as soon as he gets it - with men running off him to take a short pass at speed. Tell him to stay put around that midfield area and mop the ball up and give it (no soloing or messing around, just lay it off with a handpass). IMO if he doesn't do that he's not contributing. Martin needs to be given a very specific job to do to play to his strengths and to help the team. I'd like to see Stefan Forker or Kevin O'Rourke tried out in the half forward line for a bit more scoring threat, or Brian Mallon told to get forward more. The half forwards at present still are getting caught between 2 stools, they're neither attackers nor defenders. They need to get in and support McDonnell and Clarke who are left stranded far too often, and outnumbered. I think with a few positional switches and change of tactics we'd have a much more solid, balanced team.
I think that amount of change should be kept for the McKenna cup or the start of the league. We need a fairly settled team and Peter should be making a small number of changes. Obviosly some of these will be triggered by Vernon coming back in.
Consider that we only needed 25% of the misplaced passes to get though and we could have beaten Tyrone. For example, near the end of the game, a high ball was punted in to the edge of the square. Clarke, Tony K and th defender went for it, and it fumblled out to the defender's hands. If only Tony had stayed back to wait for a flick from Clarke.
The existing team will probably beat the majority of backdoor teams.
I dunno Orior, to be fair to McDonnell he didn't have a full hand to deal with all year so it could be a bit of trial and error at this stage to find his best side. Wouldn't be the first time that a team has evolved as the season has gone on.
I take your point about the poor kicking. The Irish News stats on Monday showed up where Armagh lost the game - poor kickpassing. But i wouldn't dwell on the near misses here and there - the bigger issue is the style of play imo. Get that right and we won't have to bemoan missed chances or worry about what ifs.
Armagh can reasonably aim to improve their passing, they can reasonably aim to improve a situation where Gormley was roaming around unmarked near the Armagh goal, and they need something of the Tyrone attitude in having runners going forward to support Clarke. While the comeback was facilitated by Tyrone being so far ahead, it was somewhat encouraging and hopefully put the team in a positive frame of mind for the backdoor games. With the Tommy Murphy teams back in, we should be able to beat half these teams, to have a 50/50 chance against another half dozen and only really be stuck against 3 or 4. That said last year we let Wexford beat us, who weren't in the 3 top teams and not really of the calibre of Dublin/Galway etc either.
Quote from: Armamike on June 03, 2009, 08:38:52 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 03, 2009, 10:51:42 AM
Disappointin result and performance on sunday in my view. it's annoying to read posters happy with ending up close enough to tyrone. the reality is tyrone took the foot off the pedal when they went 8 up - harte talked at length about being perturbed about it after the game.
the most diappointing aspect was, after winning the midfield battle, we squandered the lions share of possession that that gave us. distribution was terrible from the middle sector into the forward line. the biggst culprits were mor, aaron and moriarty. so much ball kicked and fisted away under no pressure. McKeever was probably the man needed to use the ball better but he was back in corner back for most of the first half.
i have no complaints about gormley's handling of clarke. you do what you can get way with and a good defender knows the referee's boundaries. stevie was very poor. he's unable to take a man on - never was his game anyway - and he's too far from goal when he collects possession. i don't see the logic in playing him in the half forward line. for me, duffy and mallon were poor too. young o'rourke started brightly but thereafter spent the game hiding in behind, leaving clarke to make all the runs out in front for the ball.
Lavery pleasantly surprised me and thank god for it. himself, andy m, McKeever, Shannon and donaghy all excelled but the rest were average at best in my view. unfortunately the smokescreen of a decent showing will take the heat off McDonnell a bit but the reality is that armagh were never set up to beat tyrone and that reflects badly on the manager. on top of that, the glaring flaws in how the team were playing weren't addressed til the game was all but lost.
Couldn't disagree with any of that. For the next match i'd like to see Toner at full-back, Donaghy moved to half back to replace Moriarity (Donaghy being strong defensively and good on the ball going forward) with McKenna and Vernon as BC1 and Illdecide have suggested to form a good solid three around midfield. Lavery could hold midfield, allowing Vernon as a second midfielder and McKenna named at half forward to take turns getting forward. This would give a lot more strength to the full-back, half back, midfield and half forwards. Martin O'Rourke needs to be there as a ball winner but his job has to be to lay the ball off as soon as he gets it - with the likes of the half backs, kernan and Donaghy, running off him to take a short pass at speed. Tell him to stay put around that midfield area and mop the ball up and give it (no soloing or messing around, just lay it off with a handpass). IMO if he doesn't do that he's not contributing. Martin needs to be given a very specific job to do to play to his strengths and to help the team. I'd like to see Stefan Forker or Kevin O'Rourke tried out in the half forward line for a bit more scoring threat, or Brian Mallon told to get forward more. The half forwards at present still are getting caught between 2 stools, they're neither attackers nor defenders. They need to get in and support McDonnell and Clarke who are left stranded far too often, and outnumbered. I think with a few positional switches and change of tactics we'd have a much more solid, balanced team.
100% agree, we have to be more attack minded, and we have players there who can carry the ball in McKenna and Vernon, supported by Mallon, AK, McKeever and Donaghy. We simply have to give Clarke and McDonnell more support. Of course this should've been tried out earlier in the League, the problem was never more obvious than against Wexford in Croker , but we have to move on, by trying to continue doing the same things we are going backwards. We are way too predictable and when you come up against good managers like Jason Ryan and Mickey Harte they will counteract our tactics.
Personally I think the reason people weren't too disappointed on Sunday was because there was the potential of building a solid team. Shannon and Donaghy did really well and perhaps Finn Mo will lose out next day (as may Hearty) There was plenty of forward who could have come on and Forker did well and could fit in well. There is the potential to formulate / stumble upon a really solid team if you can get a decent run in the qualifiers. If you get to the Q/Finals, it'll have been a good July and you take your chances
Quote from: armaghniac on June 03, 2009, 10:00:41 PM
Armagh can reasonably aim to improve their passing, they can reasonably aim to improve a situation where Gormley was roaming around unmarked near the Armagh goal, and they need something of the Tyrone attitude in having runners going forward to support Clarke. While the comeback was facilitated by Tyrone being so far ahead, it was somewhat encouraging and hopefully put the team in a positive frame of mind for the backdoor games. With the Tommy Murphy teams back in, we should be able to beat half these teams, to have a 50/50 chance against another half dozen and only really be stuck against 3 or 4. That said last year we let Wexford beat us, who weren't in the 3 top teams and not really of the calibre of Dublin/Galway etc either.
The only reason Gormley was in there was because Ronan Clarke was back in his own backline. What was he doing back there? The problem with playing these tactics against Tyrone is that their backs don't need a second invitation to attack you! Tyrone have quick, fit mobile players, but they also have the desire to put in the hard yards and make the runs. Couple of great examples of this on Sunday with the likes of McGinley and McMahon. Off the top of my head Armagh have the likes of Vernon, McKenna, A Kernan, Donaghy, B Mallon, K O'Rourke, A Mallon, who are all fairly mobile footballers and well able to lend support going forward. It's just not happening though.
We definitely need more runners in the team if we are going to progress. The likes of MOR need to spend less time on the weights and more time running if they are to be considered. I mention MOR because if he was a bit leaner and quicker he'd be a lethal footballer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akLDtQdhD78
Some footage of the 1990 game at the Athletic Grounds. Remember being at it.
Lyster was a fine looking man back then though McQuillan had two left feet.
O Neill get the rest of that up there. So many unanswered questions, That was Canavan and Cushes championship debut, I remember the no 5 taking out canavan there. Was at the game on crutches thatnks to Bosco. Wasnt that the game when ray monroes scored the late goal that never was?
While a relatively clean game, I thought Sean Cavanagh went down embarrassingly when a challenge came in on hom from Brendan Donaghy. Donaghy - going for the ball - slapped Cavanagh's forearm, down went Cavanagh. Any other noted histionics from those with reputiaions e.g. Jordan, O'Rourke (nothing if not balanced!)
Quote from: Skiddybadoo on June 05, 2009, 09:48:46 AM
While a relatively clean game, I thought Sean Cavanagh went down embarrassingly when a challenge came in on hom from Brendan Donaghy. Donaghy - going for the ball - slapped Cavanagh's forearm, down went Cavanagh. Any other noted histionics from those with reputiaions e.g. Jordan, O'Rourke (nothing if not balanced!)
There was one from Mugsy right in front of me (21 on the hill side tyrone were attacking in 2nd half). He sort of stopped (bad acting) and lifted the landing gear. He was told to get up and play on. 2 tyrone lads beside me were saying "poor mugsy never gets nothing off the ref"
Any wonder. Overall though ive seen them a lot worse.
Quote from: rrhf on June 05, 2009, 08:36:07 AM
O Neill get the rest of that up there. So many unanswered questions, That was Canavan and Cushes championship debut, I remember the no 5 taking out canavan there. Was at the game on crutches thatnks to Bosco. Wasnt that the game when ray monroes scored the late goal that never was?
thats the one surely, was looking for myself behind the goals. Was hoping it showed the goal!
Grimley gave mc nally a couple of nice thumps early in that game!
Quote from: maddog on June 05, 2009, 03:05:53 PM
Quote from: Skiddybadoo on June 05, 2009, 09:48:46 AM
While a relatively clean game, I thought Sean Cavanagh went down embarrassingly when a challenge came in on hom from Brendan Donaghy. Donaghy - going for the ball - slapped Cavanagh's forearm, down went Cavanagh. Any other noted histionics from those with reputiaions e.g. Jordan, O'Rourke (nothing if not balanced!)
There was one from Mugsy right in front of me (21 on the hill side tyrone were attacking in 2nd half). He sort of stopped (bad acting) and lifted the landing gear. He was told to get up and play on. 2 tyrone lads beside me were saying "poor mugsy never gets nothing off the ref"
Any wonder. Overall though ive seen them a lot worse.
Mulligan's effort was embarrasingly bad, ye'd think he'd have mastered it by now. Cavanagh's wasn't just as obvious. Refs really need to start booking for this.
Quote from: ONeill on June 05, 2009, 12:16:41 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akLDtQdhD78
Some footage of the 1990 game at the Athletic Grounds. Remember being at it.
Lyster was a fine looking man back then though McQuillan had two left feet.
Jaysus the Tyrone moustaches were seriously dodgy, and McGurk I think has Kildress blood in him too.
Sean McNally is obviously the the inspiration for the current Tyrone High Diving Team :P
McQuillan could fairly shift when he put his mind to it, he must have something in those vegetables he sells!!!
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 05, 2009, 08:52:29 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 05, 2009, 12:16:41 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akLDtQdhD78
Some footage of the 1990 game at the Athletic Grounds. Remember being at it.
Lyster was a fine looking man back then though McQuillan had two left feet.
Jaysus the Tyrone moustaches were seriously dodgy, and McGurk I think has Kildress blood in him too.
Sean McNally is obviously the the inspiration for the current Tyrone High Diving Team :P
McQuillan could fairly shift when he put his mind to it, he must have something in those vegetables he sells!!!
I was reared on his vegetables and I'm as slow as a carthorse :(
Armagh's full forward line-up wasn't bad.
The Grimley's didn't really like Tyronnies that much.
Very tight fitting tops and shorts - no crests or logos.
Canavan had hair.
Use armagh ones still yapping about diving how about moving on with the times thank god we have maybe thats why yous have still the 1 all ireland.GO DRY UR EYES THE LOT OF USES.
UP TYRONE
Too easy :D
Some crowd for an "all-ticket" game....Pearse Ogs roof was able to hold a large crowd.....but couln't cope with Joe Houlihan's indoor barbecue ;)
Was Sean McNally Plunkett's "love-child"? :D
'twas a bad idea letting a Kerryman in charge of the Armagh v Tyrone thread, 90 pages is enough of this shite, so the f**ker is now on lockdown..... unless I see some respect for Kerry and the Munster Championship.