I know its probably over a month away but,
Seemingly the Training squad(obviously missing the Kerry and Tyrone lads has been named,)anyone know anything about it?
This was on Hoganstand
Johnston called into International Rules training
Cavan's Seanie Johnston
11 September 2008
Following an exceptional season on the inter-county scene, Cavan ace attacker Sean Johnston has been called up to train with the International Rules squad for next month's series in Australia.
The Cavan Gaels marksman starred for the Breffni men this year as their main outlet for scores in both their National League and All-Ireland Championship campaigns, and if he were to make the final cut he would be the first Cavan player to do so since Larry Reilly back in 2001.
"The two training sessions have gone pretty well for me so far, I'm happy enough but it's going to be very hard to make it," admitted Johnston.
"There are a lot of Irish players out in Australia now and I presume some of them will be involved in the squad as well. It depends what sort of players they are looking for, they might be going with bigger players or they might decide that speed is a factor."
Johnston has had some experience in the compromise game at underage level before and admits that on some level it does suit his game.
"I suppose it does suit me because if you win the ball you get basically a free shot at goal, so it probably suits a lot of free-takers because they are generally accurate enough.
"I played a small bit of it at underage level for Ulster but not that much. It's a very good game, it' probably more demanding than Gaelic but it's vey enjoyable. There's a bit more physicality to it with the tackling and so on."
If Johnston can make it into Sean Boylan's final squad he will compete in two tests next month 'Down Under'.
Never seen it. Will be interesting to see how many AFL boys are on the squad. Clarke and Kennelly obviously, Begley proabably. Shields, although home, may have an outside chance. Dyas is injured anyway but probably would not have been picked.
Doubt Kennelly will play. Shoulder is banjaxed so he'll need surgery. I'm telling ye, this lad will never wear a Kerry jersey.
Certainly not in an all ireland final. I would love to see just all the Irish lads out there play for Ireland and kick the dung out of the Australians, Brennan and all can go out and watch and dont annoy the rest of us about it. We have club championships to play Mr Brennan.
booooooo, down with this sort of thing!!!! >:( >:( >:(
Cannot fecking wait for it - tickets booked :D
johnson must have an injury wish , fine player but will be decapitated in that game.
He'll never make it
Tickets booked today as well. Hopefully there won't be too much damage done to the aggregate score from Perth the previous week. I wonder will Hanley be called up, doubt there'll be too many Connacht lads on the Ireland team. Maybe McGarrity & Culinane would be useful.
So where is the quinns of Melbourne for the pints (or pots) before and after the game going to be?
Still in two minds whether I'll go or not. But it would be madness to miss it too! Saving to head home for the Xmas as well though, not easy!
PJ O'Briens on the Southbank would be the spot for most of the day. There's a good pub then beside the ground, on the corner of Little Bourke Street I think, damned if I can remember the name of it. We were there before the Irish rugby match in June, cracking atmosphere - much better than inside in the ground! Ah Jaysus a man would go insane above in Sydney, missing out on that weekend!
Damnit, a new job has started and I might not be able to make it...feck. I asked Mini-me about the game and which team he would support. Well, he has Irish and Australian cousins so he has decided to wear the Derry jersey and the Fremantle hat. No persuasion by his father at all in that decision.
I'm already conjuring up excuses to get to Perth for that weekend. Should be quare craic if I can go as there is a whole crowd of us planning to go, Aussies and all.
If any of the Melbourne lads are thinking of coming over, PM me and I'll maybe see about accommodation for you
Where do you find the dates for this, tour packages etc etc etc
Is this in OZ or Croker this year? i really hate this game.
Extended my honeymoon for a few days so I'll be able to attend the game in the mcg. staying in hotel beside ground but still have to get tickets. I see ticketmaster Australia have tickets for sale. anyone know what seats are the best and will they deliver tickets to ireland ? is there any outlets selling them in ireland?
There never announced a provisional panel or anything did they?
I suppose a lot of top players will miss out due to club championships.
Who is part of Boylan's management team this year? Did Padraig Joyce decide yet if he is going to be involved?
Quote from: Doire abú on September 12, 2008, 12:07:08 PM
There never announced a provisional panel or anything did they?
I suppose a lot of top players will miss out due to club championships.
i think club championships are worked around the dates for the series.
are the following australian players likely to feature? - lance franklin, jonathan brown & brendan fevola.
Well what are the two tour dates?
I thought it was middle of October. Our Championship doesn't finish till the 5th, so won't leave much time for training with the squad etc, especially if some guys are already training. Plus there's no way the winners of club Championships will play, while preparing for provincial club championships.
Cue "Won't effect youse Derry boys anyway" jokes. ;D
I'd be very surprised if Fevola was involved considering the publicity he obtained the last time around. This game is not suited to Brown's style of play. He is like your classic striker, get the ball in early and let him do his thing, but he probably wouldn't have the mobility required. There is a chance Franklin will be involved but seeing as his star is definitely on the ascendancy (the commercial channels are already touting him as possibly the best ever player, certainly at Hawthorn) the risk of injury might be too much.
Anyway, it will be interesting viewing. I would love to see a few Derry lads involved. PB, EB???
Quote from: Tankie on September 12, 2008, 10:44:45 AM
Is this in OZ or Croker this year? i really hate this game.
with guys talking about melbourne and perth i would take a stab at Oz :P
Quote from: Aerlik on September 12, 2008, 03:12:06 PM
Anyway, it will be interesting viewing. I would love to see a few Derry lads involved. PB, EB???
AFAIK
PB and KmcC are
Doc withdrew
Think Enda Muldoon would be ideally suited to the game. But infortunately is injured at the minute.
Why did Doc withdraw?
A couple of them beardy boys would scare the Aussies a bit.
Quote from: Tankie on September 12, 2008, 10:44:45 AM
Is this in OZ or Croker this year? i really hate this game.
why do you care if you hate it so much? its in oz last 2 weekends in oct... bet you'll watch ;)
I can't wait til this starts - never mind the pro's and con's etc. it is a decent spectacle...and the aussies and irish are pretty similar, and proud peoples - Aussies do find it hard to show respect to opposition though.
Hanley shud be a shoe in - the stories comin outta brisbane are great about him, fast and hard, one of the greatest players/managers, Leigh Matthews, holds Hanley in high esteem - which says alot. He looks the part.
Personally, I wouldn't have Kennelly anywhere near it.. I know I'll prob get abuse for this, but Kennelly has had a shit end of season, and he's not the bravest of players, dislocated shoulder/knee etc. and all. You rarely see him getting stuck in. He's great with the ball and running outta defence - but I don't think this game suits him.
Marty Clarke is a must...100% - no questions, especially since he'll be up against his manager.. And for a wildcard, Brendan Murphy from the Swans...good stuff being said about him, from people that know.
Not sure bout Begley, he's had a terrible year with injury and form.
I'd have Setanta on the team in a heartbeat, the commitment he gives is unreal, especially considering his management haven't a clue where to play him - unfortunately it looks like he'll not be available, due to injury.
Among those taking part were: Kevin McCloy (Derry), Benny Coulter and Dan Gordon (Down), Steven McDonnell, Ciarán McKeever and Aaron Kernan (Armagh), Tommy Freeman, Paul Finlay and Damien Freeman (Monaghan), Seán Johnston (Cavan), Michael Murphy (Donegal), Bernard Brogan, Bryan Cullen and Barry Cahill (Dublin), Kevin Reilly (Meath), Dermot Earley (Kildare), Redmond Barry and Ciarán Lyng (Wexford), Graham Canty, Michael Shields and John Miskella (Cork), Paul Doherty and Michael Meehan (Galway).
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2008/0912/1221138437489.html
Paul Doherty Galway??? not familar with him ???
Aaron Kernan? Really, suppose it is hard to know but he would be one of the last players you would expect to suit this sport.
This list is very provisional expect major additions and changes
Quote from: Real1995 on September 13, 2008, 04:41:01 PM
Paul Doherty Galway??? not familar with him ???
First choice keeper for Galway for last two or three years. Played a bit outfield for Tuam Stars so he'd be a good choice for keeper given that its more a sweeper typre role they play rather than as a conventional keeper.
I wonder is Donie Kingston too young this year? He has his leaving cert to do anyway so i suppose he won't go even if picked
hardly much point in putting him in the shop window.
Doherty has a new job I think
How did they pick the 3 most yellow of Monaghan footballers & Bernard Brogan & Seán Johnston? Why not McCabe, Lennon or Clerekin at least they're big men?
We'll get hammered at this rate
You're talking nonsense.
No such thing as a yellow Monaghan footballer.
Of course not
personally, i feel we are going to get absolutely tanked in this again. the quality of players just aint there anymore. if you think back to the series from say 1998 to 2003 the quality of irish players was very high i.e. john mcdermott, peter canavan, anthony tohill, kieran mcgeeney, graham geraghty etc. who is there of this quality now?
Quote from: Gnevin on September 13, 2008, 04:23:41 PM
Among those taking part were: Kevin McCloy (Derry
thats hard to justify - he was shite for derry all year and wasnt even the best full back fior derry
he will be humiliated if selected - his ball handling and districution is shite
Quote from: gaagaa on September 13, 2008, 09:48:34 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on September 13, 2008, 04:23:41 PM
Among those taking part were: Kevin McCloy (Derry
thats hard to justify - he was shite for derry all year and wasnt even the best full back fior derry
he will be humiliated if selected - his ball handling and districution is shite
This is Aussie Rules not Gaelic football
He's a massive man, strong as an Ox and well suited to this 'game'.
He was deservedly the All Star Full Back last year (and should have been the year before too) - you don't become a bad player over-night.
He was carrying serious injuries all year, which you apparrently know nothing about.
The story in the paper about the finger injury is something no other footballer I know would have gone through.
different game.this game isn't about ability or talent , this is about picking the 25 biggest and most powerful athletes in gaelic football and getting them ready and prepared to be capable of protecting themselves and if necessary for kicking the shite out of the aussies. a stupid game foisted upon us once more. does someone have to get seriously hurt before the penny drops.
Jaysus lads, there's a mouth watering All-Ireland final in a weeks time. Club championships coming to a close all over the country. Have ye nothing better to be talkiing about than this oul guff?
get kevin mc gourty and james loughrey from antrim in the panel, fine atheletes and footballers who won't take the bully boy shite tactics from the aussies
Kevin McGourty is a fine athlete, and a good footballer with a terrific football brain. But you know he's bound to start a fight with his own team mates a full two weeks down under.
Quote from: away on at wit ye on September 14, 2008, 08:57:03 PM
get kevin mc gourty and james loughrey from antrim in the panel, fine atheletes and footballers who won't take the bully boy shite tactics from the aussies
There shouldn't be any "bully boy shite" in the upcoming series - the AFL is very keen for the series to continue and will be insisting that the Aussie playes refrain from anything that is likely to upset the Irish lads including stuff that is part and parcel of AFL but not necessarily GAA.
The Aussie team will largely be a team of mid size speedy skilful types with a couple of tall lads for marking targets. Whatever team the Irish send will need to be quick (they generally are) - while it is nice to have a few gorillas handy for the rough stuff they will be largely useless methinks.
I think you need to have a few gorillas to have handy regardless ... what happens if the whole thing deteriorates? Roll over and cry like last year?
They actually could do worse than look at McGourty and Loughrey and I am trying not to be biased here.
McGourty if he kept his trap shut and attitude at home would be a great asset...marking, passing.
Loughrey is a great athlete with good hands and can run all day. Exactly the kind of player we need.
Ireland need to realise that we will not outtackle Australia - its what they do, they are professionals. We need to out-think, out-manoeuvre and work round the Aussies.
McGourty for President!
Quote from: plain man on September 13, 2008, 04:18:23 PM
I can't wait til this starts - never mind the pro's and con's etc. it is a decent spectacle...and the aussies and irish are pretty similar, and proud peoples - Aussies do find it hard to show respect to opposition though.
Hanley shud be a shoe in - the stories comin outta brisbane are great about him, fast and hard, one of the greatest players/managers, Leigh Matthews, holds Hanley in high esteem - which says alot. He looks the part.
Personally, I wouldn't have Kennelly anywhere near it.. I know I'll prob get abuse for this, but Kennelly has had a shit end of season, and he's not the bravest of players, dislocated shoulder/knee etc. and all. You rarely see him getting stuck in. He's great with the ball and running outta defence - but I don't think this game suits him.
Marty Clarke is a must...100% - no questions, especially since he'll be up against his manager.. And for a wildcard, Brendan Murphy from the Swans...good stuff being said about him, from people that know.
Not sure bout Begley, he's had a terrible year with injury and form.
I'd have Setanta on the team in a heartbeat, the commitment he gives is unreal, especially considering his management haven't a clue where to play him - unfortunately it looks like he'll not be available, due to injury.
You are talking about the best Irish player since Jim Stynes who is playing for what most people would call the most consistently good team of the last 6/7 years who pride themselves on being tough on the ball above all else and don't tolerate anyone slacking.....The guy is playing with a shoulder which dislocates on a consistent basis and comes back from multiple knee dislocations and most teams put a man marker on him.....He is more used to giving/taking hits than any Irish player and is wholly respected by the Australians unlike most of our other players...
International Rules is a bag of shite - just Aussie football played with a round ball - absolutely no Gaelic football in it at all. I completely agree with Mickey Harte on this series - should be scrapped and never resurrected again.
Quote from: On_the_Couch on September 15, 2008, 11:57:16 PM
International Rules is a bag of shite - just Aussie football played with a round ball - absolutely no Gaelic football in it at all. I completely agree with Mickey Harte on this series - should be scrapped and never resurrected again.
I agree with you and Harte. I absolutely hate this abortion of a game with a passion.
I like this series... plus as a betting man surely 1/2 for australia to win this is money for nothing
Paddypower by the way
Quote from: stew on September 16, 2008, 12:11:05 AM
Quote from: On_the_Couch on September 15, 2008, 11:57:16 PM
International Rules is a bag of shite - just Aussie football played with a round ball - absolutely no Gaelic football in it at all. I completely agree with Mickey Harte on this series - should be scrapped and never resurrected again.
I agree with you and Harte. I absolutely hate this abortion of a game with a passion.
In total agreement with this. It is a junket for the select few, it adds nothing to our own game or culture, and has less international relevance than the Eurovision song contest.
As one who has never warmed to Aussie Rules either, I dont follow it but am told by those who do that Martin Clarke has made by far the biggest impact of any Irish player ever and the reason there is not so much hype about him as there is about O'Hailpin, Kinnelly, etc,. is simply because in the eyes of the Irish media he is from the wrong side of the border.
Anyone got the dates i'm for Perth and was hoping to get to see the game
Young Kieran Toner from Armagh would be at it, Catch it, "get out of my road", and kick the f**king thing
Quote from: Leo on September 16, 2008, 02:51:53 PM
Quote from: stew on September 16, 2008, 12:11:05 AM
Quote from: On_the_Couch on September 15, 2008, 11:57:16 PM
International Rules is a bag of shite - just Aussie football played with a round ball - absolutely no Gaelic football in it at all. I completely agree with Mickey Harte on this series - should be scrapped and never resurrected again.
I agree with you and Harte. I absolutely hate this abortion of a game with a passion.
In total agreement with this. It is a junket for the select few, it adds nothing to our own game or culture, and has less international relevance than the Eurovision song contest.
As one who has never warmed to Aussie Rules either, I dont follow it but am told by those who do that Martin Clarke has made by far the biggest impact of any Irish player ever and the reason there is not so much hype about him as there is about O'Hailpin, Kinnelly, etc,. is simply because in the eyes of the Irish media he is from the wrong side of the border.
Where is the hype about Kennelly & O'hAilpin? As for the "wrong side of the border" comment, I think you're putting 2 and 2 together and getting 567. They are plying their trade on the other side of the planet in a game that is completely alien to the majority of the Irish sporting public. Most people simply don't care. Out of sight, out of mind.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 16, 2008, 04:06:15 PM
Where is the hype about Kennelly & O'hAilpin? As for the "wrong side of the border" comment, I think you're putting 2 and 2 together and getting 567. They are plying their trade on the other side of the planet in a game that is completely alien to the majority of the Irish sporting public. Most people simply don't care. Out of sight, out of mind.
I agree most people don't acare but if you miss the continuous hype you mustnt read the Irish Sunday papers where over recent years we have had wll to wall profiles and weekly news from aussieland of O'Hailpin & Kinelly - Clarke has never generated that amount of press here despite apparently taking the place by storm.
I'd usually keep an eye out for mention of the Irish lads but I rarely if ever see anything. Any mention of Kennelly is usually in the context of him talking about when he's coming home. As for Setanta you have to remember he was a star hurler before he left so he already had a media profile. Not many knew a whole pile about Clarke when he left. Even so it's not often I see anything in the sports sections about any of them. I also think the novelty has worn off as there are a good few Irish lads out there so it doesn't seem like the grand adventure it once was.
Quote from: Leo on September 16, 2008, 04:16:52 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 16, 2008, 04:06:15 PM
Where is the hype about Kennelly & O'hAilpin? As for the "wrong side of the border" comment, I think you're putting 2 and 2 together and getting 567. They are plying their trade on the other side of the planet in a game that is completely alien to the majority of the Irish sporting public. Most people simply don't care. Out of sight, out of mind.
I agree most people don't acare but if you miss the continuous hype you mustnt read the Irish Sunday papers where over recent years we have had wll to wall profiles and weekly news from aussieland of O'Hailpin & Kinelly - Clarke has never generated that amount of press here despite apparently taking the place by storm.
Well O'Hailpin has been injured for a good while and there is more than his football that they are talking about.....Kennelly is mentioned cause he is the 2nd best Irish player over there ever and is recognised in Australia as one of the most important players in the Swans team (one of the few defenders who teams actually put a man marker on over there).....Clarke took the place by storm by playing so well without experience but his form dipped this year and even then still isn't as good a player as Kenelly anyway....
Well Clareke is the only one with aweekly press coloum of his own. What he says in it I do not know as I would not wipe me arse with The Srar.
There have been at least two major articles on him in real Irish newspapers so any talk of him being ignored because he is from Norn Iron is nonsense!!
It'd be just better if they played a game of gaelic one week and a game of australian rules the next. This made up game just doesnt work.
Used to be a big fan but the last few series have just sickened me off it altogether. It was bad enough the Aussies executing a pre-arranged plan to play dirty, but even worse was the brass-necked bullshit manner in which they tried to pin the blame on the Irish afterwards. Nobody down under seems capable of doing the basic maths that IR series + Kevin Sheedy = disaster.
The main argument against it for me now though is that if we have to insist on the Aussies not just refraining from being thugs to make the series viable as a contest, but actually water down the legitimate physicality they employ in their own game, then surely it should say to the GAA that all this series does is show the Irish players up for the amateurs they are trying to take on conditioned professionals.
That's not to even mention that a bunch of guys who don't kick a round ball for 11 months of the year are actually better with it than our poorly skilled and handpass-obsessed players. It's just embarrassing that the Aussies can kick more overs than us every year.
When there's enough Irish-born players over there in future years, we should play them in an Ireland v Australia pure Aussie Rules contest and have done with it. Anything else is just arsing about if you ask me.
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on September 15, 2008, 11:05:37 PM
Quote from: plain man on September 13, 2008, 04:18:23 PM
I can't wait til this starts - never mind the pro's and con's etc. it is a decent spectacle...and the aussies and irish are pretty similar, and proud peoples - Aussies do find it hard to show respect to opposition though.
Hanley shud be a shoe in - the stories comin outta brisbane are great about him, fast and hard, one of the greatest players/managers, Leigh Matthews, holds Hanley in high esteem - which says alot. He looks the part.
Personally, I wouldn't have Kennelly anywhere near it.. I know I'll prob get abuse for this, but Kennelly has had a shit end of season, and he's not the bravest of players, dislocated shoulder/knee etc. and all. You rarely see him getting stuck in. He's great with the ball and running outta defence - but I don't think this game suits him.
Marty Clarke is a must...100% - no questions, especially since he'll be up against his manager.. And for a wildcard, Brendan Murphy from the Swans...good stuff being said about him, from people that know.
Not sure bout Begley, he's had a terrible year with injury and form.
I'd have Setanta on the team in a heartbeat, the commitment he gives is unreal, especially considering his management haven't a clue where to play him - unfortunately it looks like he'll not be available, due to injury.
You are talking about the best Irish player since Jim Stynes who is playing for what most people would call the most consistently good team of the last 6/7 years who pride themselves on being tough on the ball above all else and don't tolerate anyone slacking.....The guy is playing with a shoulder which dislocates on a consistent basis and comes back from multiple knee dislocations and most teams put a man marker on him.....He is more used to giving/taking hits than any Irish player and is wholly respected by the Australians unlike most of our other players...
Yeah, definitely the best Irish player since Stynes, because he has a premiership medal (Clarke will overtake hiim by 2011) but I've seen almost every match he's played this year, and been to 4 of them. He's had a below par year, by his own standards - he wants to go home, thats the long and short of it. He's been caught out a load of times this year, hanging around the ruck and not getting stuck in for the crumbs. He got 3, and 4 out of 10 for his last two games.
He gets press coverage cos he's a gentleman, an ambassador, and extremely articulate, plus he's been outstanding in the past - but being 29 soon, he is past his best.
If he gets picked for the IR, and I'm sure he will cos of his status, I hope he can show a bit more heart than he has since the end of July.
Quote from: plain man on September 18, 2008, 01:49:33 PM
If he gets picked for the IR, and I'm sure he will cos of his status, I hope he can show a bit more heart than he has since the end of July.
Thats a bit harsh in fairness. His shoulder pops out when he brushes his teeth FFS.
Quote from: plain man on September 18, 2008, 01:49:33 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on September 15, 2008, 11:05:37 PM
Quote from: plain man on September 13, 2008, 04:18:23 PM
I can't wait til this starts - never mind the pro's and con's etc. it is a decent spectacle...and the aussies and irish are pretty similar, and proud peoples - Aussies do find it hard to show respect to opposition though.
Hanley shud be a shoe in - the stories comin outta brisbane are great about him, fast and hard, one of the greatest players/managers, Leigh Matthews, holds Hanley in high esteem - which says alot. He looks the part.
Personally, I wouldn't have Kennelly anywhere near it.. I know I'll prob get abuse for this, but Kennelly has had a shit end of season, and he's not the bravest of players, dislocated shoulder/knee etc. and all. You rarely see him getting stuck in. He's great with the ball and running outta defence - but I don't think this game suits him.
Marty Clarke is a must...100% - no questions, especially since he'll be up against his manager.. And for a wildcard, Brendan Murphy from the Swans...good stuff being said about him, from people that know.
Not sure bout Begley, he's had a terrible year with injury and form.
I'd have Setanta on the team in a heartbeat, the commitment he gives is unreal, especially considering his management haven't a clue where to play him - unfortunately it looks like he'll not be available, due to injury.
You are talking about the best Irish player since Jim Stynes who is playing for what most people would call the most consistently good team of the last 6/7 years who pride themselves on being tough on the ball above all else and don't tolerate anyone slacking.....The guy is playing with a shoulder which dislocates on a consistent basis and comes back from multiple knee dislocations and most teams put a man marker on him.....He is more used to giving/taking hits than any Irish player and is wholly respected by the Australians unlike most of our other players...
Yeah, definitely the best Irish player since Stynes, because he has a premiership medal (Clarke will overtake hiim by 2011) but I've seen almost every match he's played this year, and been to 4 of them. He's had a below par year, by his own standards - he wants to go home, thats the long and short of it. He's been caught out a load of times this year, hanging around the ruck and not getting stuck in for the crumbs. He got 3, and 4 out of 10 for his last two games.
He gets press coverage cos he's a gentleman, an ambassador, and extremely articulate, plus he's been outstanding in the past - but being 29 soon, he is past his best.
If he gets picked for the IR, and I'm sure he will cos of his status, I hope he can show a bit more heart than he has since the end of July.
Not just cause he has a medal at all but for his standing in the game, his performances and his skill/ability.....He has been below par but considering he has had a number of knee dislocations, multiple shoulder dislocations including multiples during the same game where he gets it popped it in continiously....Not going in for crumbs due to his shoulder injuries or can you not understand that.....
How the f*ck can you critiscise him for his heart????
I used to be fan of the game, but as time went on grew tired of it.
It still looks fairly clumsy and contrived.
The Aussies messing up on the gaelic elements and sadly too many Irish players being afraid of their lives and getting cleaned (more often than not legally) in the tackle.
For want of putting a finer point on it, there is an aspect of the Australian sportng pysche that I don't particular like. The boorish, macho, trash talking rubbish of many of their athletes would be more at home in WWE. A 6'4 brute taking glee in beating lumps off a 5'8 player, because the rules are lenient is cowardice rather than manliness IMO.
Sadly it also highlights where gaelic football is falling down. Long kicking and even goalscoring have been bettered by the Aussies. Also many Irish players have shown they are good at doing the cynical fouls, little digs or sneaky kicks, but when it comes to following up on this with a bit more fire, they are found badly wanting.
I think the fans are worse though. When Ireland win, the Aussies claim the game is 90% gaelic football. When the Aussies win and batter a few Irish, they start calling us wimps and sooks. When Ireland win, the crowing can be a bit silly too. Worse still is the crying when Ireland lose, "We're only amateurs!...Paddy Joe will have to teach 30 kids or deliver post with a bruised head".
That would be the sum of my opinion of the game.
On the other hand if there is a team selected from the Gaelic ranks to compete then I'd want them to be prepared 100%.
The last time, the Aussies were also much better than the Irish at the gaelic bit.
The game itself doesn't evolve, it can't.
I would advise anybody thinking of travelling to Melbourne for the 2nd leg on October 31st to get their accommodation asap. The Melbourne cup is on the following week as well and you would be lucky to get a hotel room. I got some sort of a place on Flinders street and it took me ages as everywhere was booked out. So if you are thinking or half thinking, get a move on!
Im a Sydney Swans fan and for all of you bad mouthing Kennelly you have to remember that he has been playing injured most of the season. His shoulder has been popping out atleast once or twice a game and before that his knee's were abit dodgy.
When in form Kennely is one of the Swans best and most influential players as he provides a huge amount of run out of defence. He is in my opinion one of the best Halfback's in the AFL and from memory in the last IR series Kennelly was also one of your best players.
Quote from: ykickamoocow on September 19, 2008, 03:37:55 PM
Im a Sydney Swans fan and for all of you bad mouthing Kennelly you have to remember that he has been playing injured most of the season. His shoulder has been popping out atleast once or twice a game and before that his knee's were abit dodgy.
When in form Kennely is one of the Swans best and most influential players as he provides a huge amount of run out of defence. He is in my opinion one of the best Halfback's in the AFL and from memory in the last IR series Kennelly was also one of your best players.
Yeah, granted, but if he's not fit to be on the field then he shouldn't be there?
He's been pulling outta tackles due to the shoulder, its obvious..i hope after the surgery in Nov that he'll be grand, but, we can't have someone playin for the Ireland team whose knee and shoulder are dodgy. I think he's a class act on his day, but not with the shit he is carrying.
Kennelly has ruled himself out of the series due to injury in the last day or so. He's staying on to help with squad/morale etc but he's definitely not playing.
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Sydney Swans star Tadhg Kennelly has been ruled out of the upcoming International Rules Series after undergoing surgery on a groin problem.
The Kerry native is also due to have shoulder reconstruction surgery in the next fortnight after playing through the pain barrier to the end of the AFL season with both problems.
The Swans' Premiership campaign came to an end last weekend with a defeat to the Western Bulldogs and the 27-year-old has opted to go under the knife immediately.
"It's very disappointing," said Kennelly, who was a keen advocate of reviving the competition.
"I love playing for Ireland and getting to play with the round ball which I don't get the opportunity to do all year. I'll just aim to be back in Croke Park next year.
"Had we have continued on into September I probably could have played because I could have back the surgery and I would have only had to delay it three or four weeks but because we finished so early in the finals there would have been a six or seven week gap," he added.
Kennelly is getting pretty banged up playing AFL. If he wants to play for Kerry again he needs to do it sooner rather than later because at this rate he will be a physical wreck at 30. From my experience playing AFL (local amateurs) the game is unforgiving on the body and Kennelly looks like he won'rt last much longer. From my watching of GAA Kennelly is going to lack the zip to be successful at that game if he limps back into Ireland after another 3-4 years of the AFL grind.
Quote from: HeaveHo on September 20, 2008, 03:04:48 AM
Kennelly is getting pretty banged up playing AFL. If he wants to play for Kerry again he needs to do it sooner rather than later because at this rate he will be a physical wreck at 30. From my experience playing AFL (local amateurs) the game is unforgiving on the body and Kennelly looks like he won'rt last much longer. From my watching of GAA Kennelly is going to lack the zip to be successful at that game if he limps back into Ireland after another 3-4 years of the AFL grind.
Its not unsuak for lots of players to need sergury after a season. For example the Swans have got 8 players going under the knife with injuries they have been playing with for large amounts of the season.
Irish team manager Sean Boylan has confirmed his backroom team for the 2008 International Rules series in Australia.
Eoin Liston, Anthony Tohill and Hugh Kenny will aide Boylan in his task as selectors, with Seán Walsh taking on the role of Tour Manager assisted by Tommy Kilcoyne.
Derry's Seán Marty Lockhart will act as a runner in both Tests next month.
Boylan said: 'We are very pleased with the progress and hard work undertaken by the squad in training to date. There has been a huge response from the lads who are enthusiastic about playing the game and representing their country.
'Now that the Championship has concluded we will have a clearer picture of the travelling squad over the next few weeks.'
Boylan also confirmed that Tadhg Kennelly has been ruled out of the International Rules series against Australia next month.
Kennelly will undergo a shoulder operation on Friday and is likely to be out of action for three to four months.
Down native Martin Clarke, who plays for AFL side Collingwood, has ruled himself out of contention with an ankle injury.
The GAA and the AFL have agreed a couple of rules changes to clean up the game.
Players will be suspended for domestic matches in their respective leagues should they be guilty of any disciplinary issues on the field over the course of the series.
Ireland will play Australia in two Tests at the Subiaco Stadium in Perth on 24 October and at the MCG on 31 October.
The referees for the Test games will be Pat McEneaney from Monaghan and Australia's Steve McBurney.
Quote from: HeaveHo on September 20, 2008, 03:04:48 AM
Kennelly is getting pretty banged up playing AFL. If he wants to play for Kerry again he needs to do it sooner rather than later because at this rate he will be a physical wreck at 30. From my experience playing AFL (local amateurs) the game is unforgiving on the body and Kennelly looks like he won't last much longer. From my watching of GAA Kennelly is going to lack the zip to be successful at that game if he limps back into Ireland after another 3-4 years of the AFL grind.
To be honest, I'll be very surprised if Kennelly was to make a return to play for Kerry - any public utterances from him on the subject have been extremely well timed to coincide with contract negotiations
i bet clarke plays for his club in their relegation battle when he gets home!
If it was Northern Ireland he'd play! :o
Leg it!!
Hard to believe Sean Boylan is aloud to manager this team again. No doubt he'll pick the likes of cooper, play Donaghy in midfield and we'll get tanked again.
Whats the official dates for the matches?
I bet clarke plays for his club in their relegation battle when he gets home!
and fare play to him if he does at least he has his priorities right.
I read that Clarke won't be playing at all.
International rules preciction: The first game will be a tight enough affair with Ireland just about shading it. Australia will knock seven bells out of Ireland in the second game and win comfortably.
Quote from: AFS on September 25, 2008, 01:54:47 AM
Quote from: marty88 on September 24, 2008, 08:20:06 PM
Hard to believe Sean Boylan is aloud to manager this team again. No doubt he'll pick the likes of cooper, play Donaghy in midfield and we'll get tanked again.
Yeah God help us if he goes ahead and picks some of the best players in the country. Whats the man like???
Yea, his record in the international rules is untouchable.
We'll never beat the aussi's with the likes of him in the team and Boylan as manager.
Geezer could b a surprised inclusion from what i hear....
Also Jack O'Shea and John Lynch and maybe even Mick Lyons :D
Quote from: Aerlik on September 25, 2008, 01:06:42 PM
I read that Clarke won't be playing at all.
The papers are saying that Clarke is home for a rest, and that he cannot play as he has an ankle injury.
Quote from: Real1995 on September 25, 2008, 09:32:41 PM
Geezer could b a surprised inclusion from what i hear....
Is he training with them?
so i hear.....
It could b a bold move from Boylan
I heard he wasn't
Tyrone's Cavanagh named Ireland captain for Rules matches
29/09/2008 - 10:38:26
Tyrone's Sean Cavanagh has been named captain of the Ireland team to play Australia in a two-test series Down Under this October.
Cork's Graham Canty has been confirmed as vice captain of the squad.
Cavanagh, a member of the Moy club in Co Tyrone will now represent his country in his fourth Test Series, having been part of the Ireland Team that hosted Australia in 2006 and 2004 as well as being a key part of Pete McGrath's side that played in Perth and Melbourne in 2005.
Bantry Blues' Graham Canty toured Australia in 2005, 2003 and 2001 and has already played on 10 occasions for his country.
"Sean Cavanagh has been in the form of his life this year," said Ireland manager Sean Boylan.
"He was Man of the Match in the All Ireland final and was one of the key players in Tyrone's march to glory this year. He is an excellent communicator and leads by example on the field. He is also ideally suited to the International game and it is a tremendous boost to have him on board for the trip Down Under."
Of Canty, Boylan said: "Graham is a natural leader. You only have to think of the way he came up the field to score the winning goal for Cork in the closing moments of their Munster Championship game with Limerick this year when they looked down and out.
"He has starred for Ireland in the past and is one of the best defenders in Gaelic football at the moment."
The full Ireland squad to tour Australia will be announced at a Press Briefing in Croke Park on Tuesday, October 7 at 10.30am.
Captain Cav-man :D
The games are taken place at 6.30pm in perth and 7.45pm in Melbourne....does anyone know what time this will be back home?
Quote from: fred the red on September 29, 2008, 06:32:39 PM
The games are taken place at 6.30pm in perth and 7.45pm in Melbourne....does anyone know what time this will be back home?
I think if you take 9 hours off them times you should be right so thats...10.45am and 9.30am though I am open to correction on that...
I for one am looking forward to this I'll certainly be taking the morning off work to watch them
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on September 29, 2008, 06:48:23 PM
Quote from: fred the red on September 29, 2008, 06:32:39 PM
The games are taken place at 6.30pm in perth and 7.45pm in Melbourne....does anyone know what time this will be back home?
I think if you take 9 hours off them times you should be right so thats...10.45am and 9.30am though I am open to correction on that...
I for one am looking forward to this I'll certainly be taking the morning off work to watch them
It is 9 hours before the hour changes, and 11 hours after. So that means 1st game in Perth is 9.30 am Friday morning 24th and 2nd game Melbourne 8.45am Friday morning 31st
Quote from: western exile on September 29, 2008, 08:45:28 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on September 29, 2008, 06:48:23 PM
Quote from: fred the red on September 29, 2008, 06:32:39 PM
The games are taken place at 6.30pm in perth and 7.45pm in Melbourne....does anyone know what time this will be back home?
I think if you take 9 hours off them times you should be right so thats...10.45am and 9.30am though I am open to correction on that...
I for one am looking forward to this I'll certainly be taking the morning off work to watch them
Aye forgot about the hour changes..Well sure i got one right!
It is 9 hours before the hour changes, and 11 hours after. So that means 1st game in Perth is 9.30 am Friday morning 24th and 2nd game Melbourne 8.45am Friday morning 31st
anybody got an idea of how big the panel is going to be, is it 30?
Is the squad not be annouced this morning?
The 2005 squad that toured oz was as follows:
Michael McVeigh (Down)
Eoin Brosnan (Kerry)
Graham Canty (Cork)
Sean Cavanagh (Tyrone)
Rónán Clarke (Armagh)
Colm Cooper (Kerry)
Brendan Coulter (Down)
Bryan Cullen (Dublin)
Dessie Dolan (Westmeath)
Brian Dooher (Tyrone)
Matty Forde (Wexford)
David Heaney (Mayo)
Phillip Jordan (Tyrone)
Pádraig Joyce (Galway, captain)
Tom Kelly (Laois)
Sean Martin Lockhart (Derry)
Anthony Lynch (Cork)
Ciaran McDonald (Mayo)
Brian McGuigan (Tyrone)
Ciaran McManus (Offaly)
Ryan McMenamin (Tyrone)
Michael Meehan (Galway)
Eoin Mulligan (Tyrone)
Ross Munnelly (Laois)
Seán Óg Ó hAilpín (Cork)
Stephen O'Neill (Tyrone)
Tomás Ó Sé (Kerry)
I hear that there is one Sligoman, one Roscommon man and a Galwayman making 3 from Connacht.
Whao are the 3 and when is the squad announced?
Squad
Irish International Rules squad: Seán Cavanagh (Tyrone), Graham Canty (Cork), David Gallagher (Meath), Colm Begley ( Brisbane Lions/Laois), Paddy Bradley (Derry), Bernard Brogan (Dublin), Benny Coulter (Down), Bryan Cullen (Dublin), Kieran Donaghy (Kerry), Leighton Glynn (Wicklow), Finian Hanley (Galway), John Keane (Westmeath), Aaron Kernan (Armagh), Ciarán Lyng (Wexford), Steven McDonnell (Armagh), Enda McGinley (Tyrone), Ciarán McKeever (Armagh), Joe McMahon (Tyrone), Justin McMahon (Tyrone), Michael Meehan (Galway), John Miskella (Cork), Aidan OMahony (Kerry), Pearse O'Neill (Cork), Tom Parsons (Mayo), Kevin Reilly (Meath), Tommy Walsh (Kerry), Killian Young (Kerry). Standby: Aidan Carr (Down), Ronan Clarke (Armagh), Paul Finlay (Monaghan), Conor Gormley (Tyrone), Kevin McCloy (Derry), Martin McGrath (Fermanagh).
2 Meathmen, one who doesn't even play with the county make the panel while Ronan Clarke, Conor Gormley and Marty McGrath don't? Is this a joke?
Quote from: liihb on October 07, 2008, 12:17:24 PM
Squad
Irish International Rules squad: Seán Cavanagh (Tyrone), Graham Canty (Cork), David Gallagher (Meath), Colm Begley ( Brisbane Lions/Laois), Paddy Bradley (Derry), Bernard Brogan (Dublin), Benny Coulter (Down), Bryan Cullen (Dublin), Kieran Donaghy (Kerry), Leighton Glynn (Wicklow), Finian Hanley (Galway), John Keane (Westmeath), Aaron Kernan (Armagh), Ciarán Lyng (Wexford), Steven McDonnell (Armagh), Enda McGinley (Tyrone), Ciarán McKeever (Armagh), Joe McMahon (Tyrone), Justin McMahon (Tyrone), Michael Meehan (Galway), John Miskella (Cork), Aidan OMahony (Kerry), Pearse O'Neill (Cork), Tom Parsons (Mayo), Kevin Reilly (Meath), Tommy Walsh (Kerry), Killian Young (Kerry). Standby: Aidan Carr (Down), Ronan Clarke (Armagh), Paul Finlay (Monaghan), Conor Gormley (Tyrone), Kevin McCloy (Derry), Martin McGrath (Fermanagh).
2 Meathmen, one who doesn't even play with the county make the panel while Ronan Clarke, Conor Gormley and Marty McGrath don't? Is this a joke?
where did you get this from??
And according to your squad McGrath made it!!!
Delighted that at least one Mayo man made the cut
Quote from: FermGael on October 07, 2008, 12:20:09 PM
Quote from: liihb on October 07, 2008, 12:17:24 PM
Squad
Irish International Rules squad: Seán Cavanagh (Tyrone), Graham Canty (Cork), David Gallagher (Meath), Colm Begley ( Brisbane Lions/Laois), Paddy Bradley (Derry), Bernard Brogan (Dublin), Benny Coulter (Down), Bryan Cullen (Dublin), Kieran Donaghy (Kerry), Leighton Glynn (Wicklow), Finian Hanley (Galway), John Keane (Westmeath), Aaron Kernan (Armagh), Ciarán Lyng (Wexford), Steven McDonnell (Armagh), Enda McGinley (Tyrone), Ciarán McKeever (Armagh), Joe McMahon (Tyrone), Justin McMahon (Tyrone), Michael Meehan (Galway), John Miskella (Cork), Aidan OMahony (Kerry), Pearse O'Neill (Cork), Tom Parsons (Mayo), Kevin Reilly (Meath), Tommy Walsh (Kerry), Killian Young (Kerry). Standby: Aidan Carr (Down), Ronan Clarke (Armagh), Paul Finlay (Monaghan), Conor Gormley (Tyrone), Kevin McCloy (Derry), Martin McGrath (Fermanagh).
2 Meathmen, one who doesn't even play with the county make the panel while Ronan Clarke, Conor Gormley and Marty McGrath don't? Is this a joke?
where did you get this from??
And according to your squad McGrath made it!!!
Need to read it again Fermgael ;)
Quotewhere did you get this from??
And according to your squad McGrath made it!!!
Got it from Hill16.ie - and McGrath is a standby, he didn't make it
Quote from: FermGael on October 07, 2008, 12:20:09 PM
Quote from: liihb on October 07, 2008, 12:17:24 PM
Squad
Irish International Rules squad: Seán Cavanagh (Tyrone), Graham Canty (Cork), David Gallagher (Meath), Colm Begley ( Brisbane Lions/Laois), Paddy Bradley (Derry), Bernard Brogan (Dublin), Benny Coulter (Down), Bryan Cullen (Dublin), Kieran Donaghy (Kerry), Leighton Glynn (Wicklow), Finian Hanley (Galway), John Keane (Westmeath), Aaron Kernan (Armagh), Ciarán Lyng (Wexford), Steven McDonnell (Armagh), Enda McGinley (Tyrone), Ciarán McKeever (Armagh), Joe McMahon (Tyrone), Justin McMahon (Tyrone), Michael Meehan (Galway), John Miskella (Cork), Aidan OMahony (Kerry), Pearse O'Neill (Cork), Tom Parsons (Mayo), Kevin Reilly (Meath), Tommy Walsh (Kerry), Killian Young (Kerry). Standby: Aidan Carr (Down), Ronan Clarke (Armagh), Paul Finlay (Monaghan), Conor Gormley (Tyrone), Kevin McCloy (Derry), Martin McGrath (Fermanagh).
2 Meathmen, one who doesn't even play with the county make the panel while Ronan Clarke, Conor Gormley and Marty McGrath don't? Is this a joke?
where did you get this from??
And according to your squad McGrath made it!!!
you need to read it again fullback ;)
Sorry liihb. missed that.
I was also under the impression that McCluskey had made it as well but there you go.
How many of that squad are still involved with club championship??
Quote from: pintsofguinness on October 07, 2008, 12:24:44 PM
you need to read it again fullback ;)
No pog, you do
I was correct ;)
Ffs hang on till I get my glasses
Bernard Brogan and Tommy Walsh are still involved in club for definite
Cant understand how Finlay, Gormley & Clarke didnt make it
They were either sh1te at the trials or this is one of the best Irish teams ever
Really looking forward to Melbourne now at the end of the month
Kevin Reilly lads. Beyond me
cant believe the block didnt make it - surely he is the type primed for this game
not sure about squad on 1st glance,look like we could be short in attack...
Who's the mysterious meath lad ?
with the game that's in in brogan, lyng, bradley are better options than clarke?
kernan and miskella? :o
How can you only have Gormley and Clarke on standby?? FFS
hard to see how clarke didn't make it saying as he was one of irelands better players last time they toured!!
Pearse Ogs in the final for armagh? Maybe this has some bearing
Has not stopped Aaron Kernan being picked.
wouldn't think it our nail, there are plenty of lads there still involved with their clubs
David Gallagher was Meath goalie a couple of years ago. Big, tall, strong lad who plays full back for his club. Has a mighty kick out. He was first choice goalie until Eamon Barry let him play outfield in 2006. Then Brendan Murphy went in goals and Gallagher couldn't get back in when the outfield experiment failed. He's a very good goalie though, make no mistake.
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on October 07, 2008, 12:56:50 PM
Pearse Ogs in the final for armagh? Maybe this has some bearing
Aaaron kernan sure is in same situation (Cross)
Ejit of a manger, why are we giving him another chance to embarrass us. Every one of those replacements should of been nailed on for the squad apart from maybe carr.
I esp cant believe clarke on the reserves. joke
From an armagh point of view, the exlusion of clarke and the "type" of player he is and the inclusion of kernan and the "type" of player he is indicates an alarming approach to me
Irish International Rules squad: Seán Cavanagh (Tyrone), Graham Canty (Cork), David Gallagher (Meath), Colm Begley ( Brisbane Lions/Laois), Paddy Bradley (Derry), Bernard Brogan (Dublin), Benny Coulter (Down), Bryan Cullen (Dublin), Kieran Donaghy (Kerry), Leighton Glynn (Wicklow), Finian Hanley (Galway), John Keane (Westmeath), Aaron Kernan (Armagh), Ciarán Lyng (Wexford), Steven McDonnell (Armagh), Enda McGinley (Tyrone), Ciarán McKeever (Armagh), Joe McMahon (Tyrone), Justin McMahon (Tyrone), Michael Meehan (Galway), John Miskella (Cork), Aidan OMahony (Kerry), Pearse O'Neill (Cork), Tom Parsons (Mayo), Kevin Reilly (Meath), Tommy Walsh (Kerry), Killian Young (Kerry). Standby: Aidan Carr (Down), Ronan Clarke (Armagh), Paul Finlay (Monaghan), Conor Gormley (Tyrone), Kevin McCloy (Derry), Martin McGrath (Fermanagh).
Aside from the players in bold, is everyone else 6 foot or over?
Note: Some of the lads in bold may in fact be 6 foot as well, I'm just not 100% sure.
total nonsense squad, a player who has not played for his county in 2years, picked cos boylan is from same club, joke
I fear for Aaron Kernan's saftey :-\ Good player no doubt but he is not the player for these games.
Clarke missing is some joke.
Folks - I'm detecting some vibes here indicating that you do not believe our great President has sorted out the disciplinary issues along with those nice AFL boys. Surely not!
Quote from: liihb on October 07, 2008, 12:17:24 PM
Squad
Irish International Rules squad: Seán Cavanagh (Tyrone), Graham Canty (Cork), David Gallagher (Meath), Colm Begley ( Brisbane Lions/Laois), Paddy Bradley (Derry), Bernard Brogan (Dublin), Benny Coulter (Down), Bryan Cullen (Dublin), Kieran Donaghy (Kerry), Leighton Glynn (Wicklow), Finian Hanley (Galway), John Keane (Westmeath), Aaron Kernan (Armagh), Ciarán Lyng (Wexford), Steven McDonnell (Armagh), Enda McGinley (Tyrone), Ciarán McKeever (Armagh), Joe McMahon (Tyrone), Justin McMahon (Tyrone), Michael Meehan (Galway), John Miskella (Cork), Aidan OMahony (Kerry), Pearse O'Neill (Cork), Tom Parsons (Mayo), Kevin Reilly (Meath), Tommy Walsh (Kerry), Killian Young (Kerry). Standby: Aidan Carr (Down), Ronan Clarke (Armagh), Paul Finlay (Monaghan), Conor Gormley (Tyrone), Kevin McCloy (Derry), Martin McGrath (Fermanagh).
2 Meathmen, one who doesn't even play with the county make the panel while Ronan Clarke, Conor Gormley and Marty McGrath don't? Is this a joke?
This is a strange squad!!! There is some tubes on it!!!! Cant believe Clarke did nt make it!!!!!!!
When are the squad flying out ?
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 07, 2008, 01:43:11 PM
Folks - I'm detecting some vibes here indicating that you do not believe our great President has sorted out the disciplinary issues along with those nice AFL boys. Surely not!
They're going to be thrashed - and beat up :-\
Saturday week Deel.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 07, 2008, 01:01:04 PM
David Gallagher was Meath goalie a couple of years ago. Big, tall, strong lad who plays full back for his club. Has a mighty kick out. He was first choice goalie until Eamon Barry let him play outfield in 2006. Then Brendan Murphy went in goals and Gallagher couldn't get back in when the outfield experiment failed. He's a very good goalie though, make no mistake.
He shoulda picked Brendan Murphy - he has no problems throwing boxes like a latter-day Gentleman Jim Corbett ;)
Quote from: pintsofguinness on October 07, 2008, 01:45:56 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 07, 2008, 01:43:11 PM
Folks - I'm detecting some vibes here indicating that you do not believe our great President has sorted out the disciplinary issues along with those nice AFL boys. Surely not!
They're going to be thrashed - and beat up :-\
Saturday week Deel.
thanks pog tom parsons must be going out later he has a county final the following day
QuoteCant believe Clarke did nt make it!!!!!!!
QuoteClarke missing is some joke.
This Clarke?
QuoteAidan Carr (Down), Ronan Clarke (Armagh), Paul Finlay (Monaghan),
Only on standby though. Seems strange alright.
Yes Ronan Clarke, the best full-forward in Ireland!!!!!!
Quote from: the Deel Rover on October 07, 2008, 01:49:37 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on October 07, 2008, 01:45:56 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 07, 2008, 01:43:11 PM
Folks - I'm detecting some vibes here indicating that you do not believe our great President has sorted out the disciplinary issues along with those nice AFL boys. Surely not!
They're going to be thrashed - and beat up :-\
Saturday week Deel.
thanks pog tom parsons must be going out later he has a county final the following day
Yeah Ciaran McKeever is going out on the Monday due to the intermediate final in Armagh (it's been discussed on the club thread hehe)
Clarke's a standby GBB.
is there a reserve keeper even, if Gallagher gets milled???
QuoteI hear that there is one Sligoman, one Roscommon man and a Galwayman making 3 from Connacht.
Whoops - got my Hanley's mixed up there earlier!
Quote from: pintsofguinness on October 07, 2008, 01:52:44 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on October 07, 2008, 01:49:37 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on October 07, 2008, 01:45:56 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 07, 2008, 01:43:11 PM
Folks - I'm detecting some vibes here indicating that you do not believe our great President has sorted out the disciplinary issues along with those nice AFL boys. Surely not!
They're going to be thrashed - and beat up :-\
Saturday week Deel.
thanks pog tom parsons must be going out later he has a county final the following day
Yeah Ciaran McKeever is going out on the Monday due to the intermediate final in Armagh (it's been discussed on the club thread hehe)
Clarke's a standby GBB.
cheers pog ah sure us mexicans don't read your club threads ;)
Think Kernan will be grand
Although not the biggest in the world I feel he will be a good asset for Ireland with his passing
TBH, if the Aussies get physical there isnt many on the Irish team that will be for for them
Some of Boylan's decisions are very very strange to say the least.
BTW, real1995 your 'scoop of the year' has turned out to be a load of sh1te, unlike ziggys :D
Lads it's not gaelic football. Your goalkeeper basically doubles as an extra outfield player in this game. Makes sense to pick someone who's comfortable on the ball. I'm surprised Pearse Hanley (Brisbane) and Brendan Murphy (Sydney) aren't involved. Unless this is just the travelling squad and the lads are still over in Oz.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on October 07, 2008, 01:45:56 PM
Saturday week Deel.
And POG do you know when they're flying back? A long shot I know.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 07, 2008, 01:37:59 PM
Irish International Rules squad: Seán Cavanagh (Tyrone), Graham Canty (Cork), David Gallagher (Meath), Colm Begley ( Brisbane Lions/Laois), Paddy Bradley (Derry), Bernard Brogan (Dublin), Benny Coulter (Down), Bryan Cullen (Dublin), Kieran Donaghy (Kerry), Leighton Glynn (Wicklow), Finian Hanley (Galway), John Keane (Westmeath), Aaron Kernan (Armagh), Ciarán Lyng (Wexford), Steven McDonnell (Armagh), Enda McGinley (Tyrone), Ciarán McKeever (Armagh), Joe McMahon (Tyrone), Justin McMahon (Tyrone), Michael Meehan (Galway), John Miskella (Cork), Aidan OMahony (Kerry), Pearse O'Neill (Cork), Tom Parsons (Mayo), Kevin Reilly (Meath), Tommy Walsh (Kerry), Killian Young (Kerry). Standby: Aidan Carr (Down), Ronan Clarke (Armagh), Paul Finlay (Monaghan), Conor Gormley (Tyrone), Kevin McCloy (Derry), Martin McGrath (Fermanagh).
Aside from the players in bold, is everyone else 6 foot or over?
Note: Some of the lads in bold may in fact be 6 foot as well, I'm just not 100% sure.
Aidan Carr is at least six foot...
Quote from: Jinxy on October 07, 2008, 02:01:21 PM
Lads it's not gaelic football. Your goalkeeper basically doubles as an extra outfield player in this game. Makes sense to pick someone who's comfortable on the ball. I'm surprised Pearse Hanley (Brisbane) and Brendan Murphy (Sydney) aren't involved. Unless this is just the travelling squad and the lads are still over in Oz.
pierce hanley has been paying with his club the past few weeks so he probably hasn't attented any of the trials
Speaking of Hanley, who was the last Roscommon man to play in the compromise rules?
ah jinxy don't go there and don't mention parsons ;)
Nice to see JK get some recognition on the international front. Like others said, some of the choices are puzzling. From recollection Boylan picked a dubious squad the last time as well, needs to give a performance this time...
how many of the squad are makin their debut??
Quote from: bridgegael on October 07, 2008, 02:40:48 PM
how many of the squad are makin their debut??
I estimate 15!!!!
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 07, 2008, 02:33:42 PM
Nice to see JK get some recognition on the international front. Like others said, some of the choices are puzzling. From recollection Boylan picked a dubious squad the last time as well, needs to give a performance this time...
Which choices?
Where did the goalkeeper come out of ?
Will the players miss their club championship games ??
Quote from: orangeman on October 07, 2008, 03:02:52 PM
Where did the goalkeeper come out of ?
I explained already. He was Meaths keeper in 2004/2005 and played outfield in 2006. Plays full back for his club, he's 6'4" very good under the high ball and a good kicker. The requirements for this game are different to the requirements for gaelic football. Who should the goalie be as a matter of interest?
I hope the lads stand up for themselves a bit better this time if the Aussies start cutting up rough. Ronan Clarke was one of the few that got bogged in when they were at their nonsense the last time in Australia, strange he isnt selected.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 07, 2008, 03:11:58 PM
Quote from: orangeman on October 07, 2008, 03:02:52 PM
Where did the goalkeeper come out of ?
I explained already. He was Meaths keeper in 2004/2005 and played outfield in 2006. Plays full back for his club, he's 6'4" very good under the high ball and a good kicker. The requirements for this game are different to the requirements for gaelic football. Who should the goalie be as a matter of interest?
Was just wondering as I didn't recognise the name - don't know who should be keeper but he sounds ideal - who is cover for him ?
Good point Jinxy about the 'keeper. Dead right I think.
A number county keepers play out field for their clubs - derry's gillis and fermanagh's gallagher spring to mind - i wonder how many of them were tried for the job?
Quote from: Jinxy on October 07, 2008, 02:59:43 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 07, 2008, 02:33:42 PM
Nice to see JK get some recognition on the international front. Like others said, some of the choices are puzzling. From recollection Boylan picked a dubious squad the last time as well, needs to give a performance this time...
Which choices?
Clarke, Finlay, Gormley, McCloy, McGrath only on standby, second highest points scorer in International Rules not even considered, I'll bow to ur knowledge of Gallagher, Miskella, Reilly and to a lesser extent Young in the squad...
On second viewing - No O'Ses?
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 07, 2008, 03:41:30 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 07, 2008, 02:59:43 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 07, 2008, 02:33:42 PM
Nice to see JK get some recognition on the international front. Like others said, some of the choices are puzzling. From recollection Boylan picked a dubious squad the last time as well, needs to give a performance this time...
Which choices?
Clarke, Finlay, Gormley, McCloy, McGrath only on standby, second highest points scorer in International Rules not even considered, I'll bow to ur knowledge of Gallagher, Miskella, Reilly and to a lesser extent Young in the squad...
Who is that ?
i wouldn't be sure but i'd say dessie dolan??
Will Benny miss any action for you in Ulster club ?
no, def not. from what i hear he is going to fly out the day after the st galls match.
if I was lined out on the oval in a couple of weeks times, I'd like Fergal Doc standing beside me, wee need big strong skillful hooers out there.....cam an te fu$k Ireland
Quote from: peterquaife on October 07, 2008, 05:24:33 PM
if I was lined out on the oval in a couple of weeks times, I'd like Fergal Doc standing beside me, wee need big strong skillful hooers out there.....cam an te f*$k Ireland
Now you're talking ! Is John Mc Dermott still playing ? What sort of shape is he in ??
interesting squad selection, now's the time to get behind our men!
i dont think sean boylan is the man for this job, they couldnt kick or fight the last time and this time hes obiviously gone for big players but they need to be able to score ffs. they also need to understand simple things like how the mark properly used can win you the game. clarke has to be in there but whats he doing on a standby list. i would love to see some more of the kerry players get interested in this (dara in particular - used wisely) but they arent and more is the pity. maybe this is too soon for tommy walsh as well. did galvin ever have a chance?
Quote from: peterquaife on October 07, 2008, 05:24:33 PM
if I was lined out on the oval in a couple of weeks times, I'd like Fergal Doc standing beside me, wee need big strong skillful hooers out there.....cam an te f*$k Ireland
Doc was asked to go, but declined as far as I know. Maybe some of the Bellaghy posters will know better.
Quote from: liihb on October 07, 2008, 12:17:24 PM
Squad
Irish International Rules squad: Seán Cavanagh (Tyrone), Graham Canty (Cork), David Gallagher (Meath), Colm Begley ( Brisbane Lions/Laois), Paddy Bradley (Derry), Bernard Brogan (Dublin), Benny Coulter (Down), Bryan Cullen (Dublin), Kieran Donaghy (Kerry), Leighton Glynn (Wicklow), Finian Hanley (Galway), John Keane (Westmeath), Aaron Kernan (Armagh), Ciarán Lyng (Wexford), Steven McDonnell (Armagh), Enda McGinley (Tyrone), Ciarán McKeever (Armagh), Joe McMahon (Tyrone), Justin McMahon (Tyrone), Michael Meehan (Galway), John Miskella (Cork), Aidan OMahony (Kerry), Pearse O'Neill (Cork), Tom Parsons (Mayo), Kevin Reilly (Meath), Tommy Walsh (Kerry), Killian Young (Kerry). Standby: Aidan Carr (Down), Ronan Clarke (Armagh), Paul Finlay (Monaghan), Conor Gormley (Tyrone), Kevin McCloy (Derry), Martin McGrath (Fermanagh).
I'm thinking the balding Anthony Tohill was very much the junior partner in the selection process.
Good to see Leighton Glynn there - he was outstanding in last year's Tommy Murphy cup final.
What position does Glynn play? Is he big? A few changes and I'd have been happy enough with that squad. Would like to have seen Gormley/Clarke/McGrath picked. Boylans decision to pick the 2 Meath players is questionable to say the least. Reilly wasnt good enough the last time and I doubt he is now. Its going to be hard for someone to adapt from club football to playing in this no matter how good they are. Is there a back up option if Gallagher doesnt work?
Still we're bigger and stronger than the last time and there is some decent options in the squad. Hopefully it will be a much improved and competitive series. The last few have been poor but there have been very good games in the past. Would be nice to win it.
Glynn plays half back, but something tells me he played half-forward this year, not totally sure.
Bryan Cullen could do goals as he has done in International Rules in the past.
not a bad squad of players, but in my opinion he should picked clarke he's always preformed well and isn't afraid to get stuck in. im not sure about bernard brogan but il give him a chance to prove himself. just glad to notice that lad from laois isn't on it the one who takes frees and shane ryan he especialy embarressed himself trying to act a hard man against the aussies which isnt the smartest idea.
Does it matter who wins as long as we see a good bit of boxing?
how many counties have been represented with Int Rules players in the past then?
Since 2001 every County has been represented except:
Waterford, Clare, Tipp, Limerick, Antrim, Monaghan, Louth, Leitrim, Kilkenny, Wicklow, and Carlow.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on October 07, 2008, 09:50:26 PM
Quote from: liihb on October 07, 2008, 12:17:24 PM
Squad
Irish International Rules squad: Seán Cavanagh (Tyrone), Graham Canty (Cork), David Gallagher (Meath), Colm Begley ( Brisbane Lions/Laois), Paddy Bradley (Derry), Bernard Brogan (Dublin), Benny Coulter (Down), Bryan Cullen (Dublin), Kieran Donaghy (Kerry), Leighton Glynn (Wicklow), Finian Hanley (Galway), John Keane (Westmeath), Aaron Kernan (Armagh), Ciarán Lyng (Wexford), Steven McDonnell (Armagh), Enda McGinley (Tyrone), Ciarán McKeever (Armagh), Joe McMahon (Tyrone), Justin McMahon (Tyrone), Michael Meehan (Galway), John Miskella (Cork), Aidan OMahony (Kerry), Pearse O'Neill (Cork), Tom Parsons (Mayo), Kevin Reilly (Meath), Tommy Walsh (Kerry), Killian Young (Kerry). Standby: Aidan Carr (Down), Ronan Clarke (Armagh), Paul Finlay (Monaghan), Conor Gormley (Tyrone), Kevin McCloy (Derry), Martin McGrath (Fermanagh).
I'm thinking the balding Anthony Tohill was very much the junior partner in the selection process.
Good to see Leighton Glynn there - he was outstanding in last year's Tommy Murphy cup final.
I'd agree with the Tohill bit.
How you can leave out Ronan Clarke (Armagh), Conor Gormley (Tyrone), Kevin McCloy (Derry) and Martin McGrath (Fermanagh) I'll never understand.
But sending out David Gallagher (Meath), Bernard Brogan (Dublin), Leighton Glynn (Wicklow), Finian Hanley (Galway), Ciarán Lyng (Wexford), Michael Meehan (Galway), John Miskella (Cork), Aidan OMahony (Kerry), Tom Parsons (Mayo), Kevin Reilly (Meath) and Tommy Walsh (Kerry) is just crazy.
Convicts squad named:
The squad is: Nathan Bock (Adelaide), Matthew Boyd (Western Bulldogs), Jared Brennan (Brisbane Lions), Campbell Brown (Hawthorn), Shaun Burgoyne (Port Adelaide), Matt Campbell (North Melbourne), Ryan Crowley (Fremantle), Michael Firrito (North Melbourne), Nathan Foley (Richmond), Brent Harvey (North Melbourne), Roger Hayden (Fremantle), Leigh Montagna (St Kilda), Daniel Motlop (Port Adelaide), Marc Murphy (Carlton), Michael Osborne (Hawthorn), Scott Pendlebury (Collingwood), Drew Petrie (North Melbourne), David Rodan (Port Adelaide), Max Rooke (Geelong), Brad Sewell (Hawthorn), Kade Simpson (Carlton), Adam Selwood (West Coast), Dale Thomas (Collingwood), Scott Thompson (Adelaide), Daniel Wells (North Melbourne).
Quote from: Bod Mor on October 08, 2008, 01:55:01 AM
Convicts squad named:
The squad is: Nathan Bock (Adelaide), Matthew Boyd (Western Bulldogs), Jared Brennan (Brisbane Lions), Campbell Brown (Hawthorn), Shaun Burgoyne (Port Adelaide), Matt Campbell (North Melbourne), Ryan Crowley (Fremantle), Michael Firrito (North Melbourne), Nathan Foley (Richmond), Brent Harvey (North Melbourne), Roger Hayden (Fremantle), Leigh Montagna (St Kilda), Daniel Motlop (Port Adelaide), Marc Murphy (Carlton), Michael Osborne (Hawthorn), Scott Pendlebury (Collingwood), Drew Petrie (North Melbourne), David Rodan (Port Adelaide), Max Rooke (Geelong), Brad Sewell (Hawthorn), Kade Simpson (Carlton), Adam Selwood (West Coast), Dale Thomas (Collingwood), Scott Thompson (Adelaide), Daniel Wells (North Melbourne).
Apsolutely shocking team from a Australian point of view. That would be lucky to be our 5th string international side.
Yep - bit shocked by the Aussie team all right
From foxsports.com.au
AUSTRALIA have named a 25-man squad packed with pace and youth for this month's two-match International Rules series against Ireland.
Only six members of the squad have previously played at international level.
The matches will be played in Perth on October 24 and in Melbourne on October 31.
It is a revival of the concept after it was shelved because of Irish anger over on-field violence when it was last played two years ago.
Coach Mick Malthouse said he had not shied away from selecting aggressive players, but had also picked out those who had a reputation for sportsmanship.
"Don't misinterpret the fact that we're out there to win this game of football and we will play absolutely within the rules, but those rules are quite broad," Malthouse said.
"We will play the physical game that's required, or the running game, or the possession game, whichever's required at the time.
"Let's not underestimate the fact we don't want to be playing timid, but also each player, when we've looked at his credentials, we've looked at his sportsmanship."
Quote from: ykickamoocow on October 08, 2008, 02:09:15 AM
Quote from: Bod Mor on October 08, 2008, 01:55:01 AM
Convicts squad named:
The squad is: Nathan Bock (Adelaide), Matthew Boyd (Western Bulldogs), Jared Brennan (Brisbane Lions), Campbell Brown (Hawthorn), Shaun Burgoyne (Port Adelaide), Matt Campbell (North Melbourne), Ryan Crowley (Fremantle), Michael Firrito (North Melbourne), Nathan Foley (Richmond), Brent Harvey (North Melbourne), Roger Hayden (Fremantle), Leigh Montagna (St Kilda), Daniel Motlop (Port Adelaide), Marc Murphy (Carlton), Michael Osborne (Hawthorn), Scott Pendlebury (Collingwood), Drew Petrie (North Melbourne), David Rodan (Port Adelaide), Max Rooke (Geelong), Brad Sewell (Hawthorn), Kade Simpson (Carlton), Adam Selwood (West Coast), Dale Thomas (Collingwood), Scott Thompson (Adelaide), Daniel Wells (North Melbourne).
Apsolutely shocking team from a Australian point of view. That would be lucky to be our 5th string international side.
Picking a team to play the game......no doubt it will be seriously embarrassing for us then if we lose as they are so poor!!!!!
Quality players still included...
There are some quality players but when you consider some of the real stars of this season such as Franklin, Malceski (who I though would've been a cert for this game) and also the likes of Adam Cooney, Chris Judd and a host of others that could have played it does appear to be a weak Aussie team
I understand we need players with a physical presence, but surely Conor Gormley,Marty McGrath and Ronan Clarke would tick the right boxes as they are both great footballers as well as having that added bit of steel. As mentioned I am surprised that Fergal Doherty or Darragh O'Se is not included, or even the Gooch. I thought a few Mongahan men would have been included such as Dick Clerkin or Eoin Lennon, as both are able big hoores.
I am slightly worried abouyt Aidan O'Mahony - I am concerned as to how he will take a thumping tackle from an Aussie after seeing him in action against Cork in the All Ireland Semi!
Quote from: screenexile on October 07, 2008, 10:58:22 PM
Since 2001 every County has been represented except:
Waterford, Clare, Tipp, Limerick, Antrim, Monaghan, Louth, Leitrim, Kilkenny, Wicklow, and Carlow.
Declan Browne played in 2004 AFAIR...
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 08, 2008, 08:56:26 AM
I understand we need players with a physical presence, but surely Conor Gormley,Marty McGrath and Ronan Clarke would tick the right boxes as they are both great footballers as well as having that added bit of steel. As mentioned I am surprised that Fergal Doherty or Darragh O'Se is not included, or even the Gooch. I thought a few Mongahan men would have been included such as Dick Clerkin or Eoin Lennon, as both are able big hoores.
I am slightly worried abouyt Aidan O'Mahony - I am concerned as to how he will take a thumping tackle from an Aussie after seeing him in action against Cork in the All Ireland Semi!
I have similar concerns about Sean Cavanagh NRico........
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 08, 2008, 08:56:26 AM
I understand we need players with a physical presence, but surely Conor Gormley,Marty McGrath and Ronan Clarke would tick the right boxes as they are both great footballers as well as having that added bit of steel. As mentioned I am surprised that Fergal Doherty or Darragh O'Se is not included, or even the Gooch. I thought a few Mongahan men would have been included such as Dick Clerkin or Eoin Lennon, as both are able big hoores.
I am slightly worried abouyt Aidan O'Mahony - I am concerned as to how he will take a thumping tackle from an Aussie after seeing him in action against Cork in the All Ireland Semi!
Agree with you about Gormley, McGrath and Clarke ...
But the Gooch? - you for real?
Dick Celrkin? - wus ... collaspsed like a house of cards when Doherty touched him in Clones
does seem like a weak aussie team this year, would have thought malthouse would have had a few more of his clubmen on it like , medhurst or cloke. maybe he doesnt want them getting injured!! i think dale thomas will excel at this game.
tommy freeman represented monaghan in a few international rules games.
Quote from: drici on October 08, 2008, 09:54:58 AM
They were saying on the radio last night that the Irish players tend to react badly to the type of tackle in this game as they are not accustomed to it and sometimes reckon that they are being fouled when they are not so Sean Boylan has brought in a rugby man called Trevor Brennan to teach them how to execute the tackle correctly and remain calm when under physical pressure or crowd abuse or any stuff like that.
Brennan is an expert in remaining calm when getting abuse - so he was the best man to teach them. Hopefully he will have passed on a few of his own tips - can't wait to see this game now.
:D
That really is a pathetic aussie team comparedto what they culd have picked. are they coontent to simply fulfill the fixture with no controversy?
Very good Drici. :)
Quote from: heffo on October 08, 2008, 08:58:31 AM
Quote from: screenexile on October 07, 2008, 10:58:22 PM
Since 2001 every County has been represented except:
Waterford, Clare, Tipp, Limerick, Antrim, Monaghan, Louth, Leitrim, Kilkenny, Wicklow, and Carlow.
Declan Browne played in 2004 AFAIR...
2004 squad
* Stephen Cluxton (Dublin)
* Sean Martin Lockhart (Derry)
* Graham Canty (Cork)
* Seán Óg Ó hAilpín (Cork)
* Ciaran McManus (Offaly)
* Tom Kelly (Laois)
* Joe Bergin (Laois)
* Ciaran McDonald (Mayo)
* Sean Cavanagh (Tyrone)
* Padraic Joyce (Galway)
* Brendan Coulter (Down)
* Tadgh Kennelly (Kerry)
* Paul Galvin (Kerry)
* Stephen McDonnell (Armagh)
* Dessie Dolan (Westmeath)
* Setanta Ó hAilpín (Cork)
* Alan Brogan (Dublin)
* Matty Forde (Wexford)
* Brian McGuigan (Tyrone)
* David Heaney (Mayo)
* James Nallen (Mayo)
* Bryan Cullen (Dublin)
Quote from: bridgegael on October 08, 2008, 09:41:22 AM
does seem like a weak aussie team this year, would have thought malthouse would have had a few more of his clubmen on it like , medhurst or cloke. maybe he doesnt want them getting injured!! i think dale thomas will excel at this game.
tommy freeman represented monaghan in a few international rules games.
He may well have but I was going from this...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland_international_rules_football_team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland_international_rules_football_team)
I hope the fcuk it is a weak Aussie team, because I fear for our team.
There are 4/5 players who should be on the starting 15, never mind the squad who should be travelling out
Aww we're getting hammered this year. Thanks Boylan.
Why wasnt big Joe given the job? Only man for it.
Just finished reading the papers - still can't believe he picked that goalie from his own club - I hope it works out for him all the same.
QuoteBoylan disappointed at AFL players' lack of interest
08 October 2008
Sean Boylan has expressed disappointment at the fact that some of the Irish players based in Australia didn't make themselves available for the International Rules series later this month.
Laois man Colm Begley is the only AFL player in the Ireland manager's squad which was announced at a press conference on Tuesday. Tadhg Kennelly, who was due to captain the Irish team, Martin Clarke and Setanta O hAilpin weren't considered due to injury, but while Boylan didn't refer to specific players, he privately would have been disappointed that the likes of Aisake O hAilpin, Pierce Hanley and Brendan Murphy didn't attend any of the trials held in recent weeks.
"Tadhg was to be with us, five of the other Australian-based players for different reasons were not with us but that was their choice," he said.
"Martin is out because of injury and others chose not to and that's their decision and that's fine. Whether there was pressure coming from any other quarter or not, I don't know.
"When it came up first, people were saying that 'you can't be bringing all the lads out there' but that wasn't the way that we looked at it.
"We looked at it as these are Irishmen and you give them a chance. Some wanted to take the chances and some didn't.
"We would have liked to have seen them at some of the sessions but again you move on because that's the way life is. You either want to play it or you don't."
Boylan faces an anxious wait before his squad departs for Australia, with many of his 27-man panel involved in important club matches over the next two weekends.
It is believed that Kerry's Tommy Walsh won't be able to travel unless his club Kerins O'Rahilly's suffer a surprise defeat to Dingle in the county SFC quarter-final this weekend.
The official party fly out on Saturday week, but later flights will be added for players involved in club action that weekend, including Benny Coulter who will play for Mayobridge in the Ulster club championship against St. Gall's of Antrim.
Read through my post history a few weeks back lads, I was saying that the 8/15 about the aussies was a cert, thank you sean for confirming this!! I got a good bit on with stan james at this price...
Was checking there, the only place offering odds now is paddy power, and hes going 1/4 australia
8)
Quote from: heffo on October 08, 2008, 08:58:31 AM
Quote from: screenexile on October 07, 2008, 10:58:22 PM
Since 2001 every County has been represented except:
Waterford, Clare, Tipp, Limerick, Antrim, Monaghan, Louth, Leitrim, Kilkenny, Wicklow, and Carlow.
Declan Browne played in 2004 AFAIR...
You are right heffo, Declan Browne played in 2004 in Croke Park. He also travelled to Australia in 2003, but was injured (taken out) in a warm up match and was unable to play in the Test Matches. Screenexile, I was in Croke Park in 2004 for the second test and saw Declan Browne playing. He missed the first test that year, because he played in the Tipperary County Final on the Saturday.
Quote from: Onlooker on October 08, 2008, 12:49:27 PM
Quote from: heffo on October 08, 2008, 08:58:31 AM
Quote from: screenexile on October 07, 2008, 10:58:22 PM
Since 2001 every County has been represented except:
Waterford, Clare, Tipp, Limerick, Antrim, Monaghan, Louth, Leitrim, Kilkenny, Wicklow, and Carlow.
Declan Browne played in 2004 AFAIR...
You are right heffo, Declan Browne played in 2004 in Croke Park. He also travelled to Australia in 2003, but was injured (taken out) in a warm up match and was unable to play in the Test Matches. Screenexile, I was in Croke Park in 2004 for the second test and saw Declan Browne playing. He missed the first test that year, because he played in the Tipperary County Final on the Saturday.
I knew I wasn't going crazy!
AFAIR he got a knee into the hip in a warm up game that ruled him out in 2003..
QuoteRead through my post history a few weeks back lads, I was saying that the 8/15 about the aussies was a cert, thank you sean for confirming this!! I got a good bit on with stan james at this price...
Was checking there, the only place offering odds now is paddy power, and hes going 1/4 australia
Have to say I fancy the 5/2 about Ireland. Over the past decade there isn't much difference in the wins ratio between the teams (possibly 5-4 to the Aussies?). Its a new Australian side and I don't think we'll be as uncompetitive as in 05 and 06 (and we won the first test in 06 I think?).
I think Australia are desrvedly the favourites but that Ireland shouldn't be as long as 5/2.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on October 08, 2008, 01:30:02 PM
QuoteRead through my post history a few weeks back lads, I was saying that the 8/15 about the aussies was a cert, thank you sean for confirming this!! I got a good bit on with stan james at this price...
Was checking there, the only place offering odds now is paddy power, and hes going 1/4 australia
Have to say I fancy the 5/2 about Ireland. Over the past decade there isn't much difference in the wins ratio between the teams (possibly 5-4 to the Aussies?). Its a new Australian side and I don't think we'll be as uncompetitive as in 05 and 06 (and we won the first test in 06 I think?).
I think Australia are desrvedly the favourites but that Ireland shouldn't be as long as 5/2.
Put your money where your mouth is and stop throwing it away in the bot all your life!
Freeman never played
Quote from: JMohan on October 08, 2008, 01:51:53 PM
Freeman never played
i think you'll find he played in the '03 series in australia.
If he did it was the stupidest decision ever by a rules manager
Can't believe Declan Maxwell hasn't even been considered yet again. I know he doesn't play as many high profile games as many of those that were selected, but I'd ask anyone here that has seen him play in championship games for Leitrim to tell me he has not impressed you. The original full forward before donaghy made it fashionable, he has serious fielding ability, natural scorer and 6ft 3 as well.
P.s he took Finian Hanley to the cleaners in the Championship this year - yet Hanley gets selected based on his marshalling of Donaghy in Croker!!
Only getting round to this but Ronan clarkes omission is dumbfounding, Boylan must be off his rocker.
Boylan cited Clarke's omission as an issue of commitment. Clarke was still involved with his club and wasn't able to make as many of the training weekends as the rest apparently. Can't see how this is true as I'm guessing a fair heap of Kerry and Tyrone players missed a lot of training as well. I also think it's ludicrous to go there without arguably the best all round full forward in the game!
The Panel
Seán Cavanagh (Tyrone),
Graham Canty (Cork),
David Gallagher (Meath),
Colm Begley ( Brisbane Lions/Laois),
Paddy Bradley (Derry),
Bernard Brogan (Dublin),
Benny Coulter (Down),
Bryan Cullen (Dublin),
Kieran Donaghy (Kerry),
Leighton Glynn (Wicklow),
Finian Hanley (Galway),
John Keane (Westmeath),
Aaron Kernan (Armagh),
Ciarán Lyng (Wexford),
Steven McDonnell (Armagh),
Enda McGinley (Tyrone),
Ciarán McKeever (Armagh),
Joe McMahon (Tyrone),
Justin McMahon (Tyrone),
Michael Meehan (Galway),
John Miskella (Cork),
Aidan OMahony (Kerry),
Pearse O'Neill (Cork),
Tom Parsons (Mayo),
Kevin Reilly (Meath),
Tommy Walsh (Kerry),
Killian Young (Kerry).
As for the lads on standby
Conor Gormley for Killian Young
Ronan Clarke for Ciaran Lyng
Martin McGrath for Kevin Reily
would have been the changes for me.
Anyone else think Anthony Masterson(wexford) could have been an option with his expert quick and short kick outs.?
Cant see how a player who couldnt make the Meath team is picked on an IRules team ahead of a whole plethora of quality goalkeepers.
wouldnt have minded seeing Shane Ryan in again, He was one of the few Ireland lads, who didnt go missing when the punches started flying in 2006, and hes alot better of a player than he was in 2006 aswell.
Quote from: T O Hare on October 07, 2008, 02:47:57 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on October 07, 2008, 02:40:48 PM
how many of the squad are makin their debut??
I estimate 15!!!!
The correct debutants is 17!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hope this does nt back fire on the lads, the have put in a lot of training sessions!!! Though i fear for them!!! Still cant get over Clarke's ommission!!!!!!
I'm surprised that Clarke wants to go out after the injury he suffered previously in this series?
Surely if he is playing great football again he doesn't want to ruin that for a holiday in Oz?
Who will now go for Walsh?
Quote from: 45GoneShort on October 08, 2008, 04:09:48 PM
Can't believe Declan Maxwell hasn't even been considered yet again. I know he doesn't play as many high profile games as many of those that were selected, but I'd ask anyone here that has seen him play in championship games for Leitrim to tell me he has not impressed you. The original full forward before donaghy made it fashionable, he has serious fielding ability, natural scorer and 6ft 3 as well.
P.s he took Finian Hanley to the cleaners in the Championship this year - yet Hanley gets selected based on his marshalling of Donaghy in Croker!!
Couldn't agree more. Super player and suitably built for this game. Was he involved in any of the trial games?
Quote from: marty88 on October 08, 2008, 12:18:00 PM
Why wasnt big Joe given the job? Only man for it.
How so?
I cannot believe the Aussie squad - with all due respect to the Irish lads the AFL must be tanking to make the games competitive. The squad, save a few noteable exceptions, is slow and not all that skillful. Why pick Campbell Brown? Why pick Adam Selwood and not his brother Joel? Michael Firrito? Surely Malthouse et al aren't expecting any 100kg forward to turn out for the Irish.
Anyone know the times of each game and will RTE be showing them?
Quote from: HeaveHo on October 09, 2008, 07:50:27 AM
I cannot believe the Aussie squad - with all due respect to the Irish lads the AFL must be tanking to make the games competitive.
With all due respect, the Irish seem to be holding up their end of the bargain with a few bizarro selections of their own!
The inclusion of that Meath lad as goalkeeper is a real 'jobs for the boys' one if ever I saw one, as someone said the worst of intercounty goalies from this year would be a better selection if only on the basis that they're actually playing regularly at a high level. There'd be another couple in there haven't exactly set the world alight this year either.
This sham of a concept is only going to degenerate further going forward, as it is just a PR exercise at this stage. It'll be like soccer at the olympics. A couple of top players and the rest of the team are kids.
Quote from: Green+Gold on October 09, 2008, 10:04:17 AM
Anyone know the times of each game and will RTE be showing them?
Someone maybe posted earlier the First test has a 9.45 am throw in. Not sure of TV rights but have the day booked off work to lie on in the scratcher and watch it.
Quote from: HeaveHo on October 09, 2008, 07:50:27 AM
I cannot believe the Aussie squad - with all due respect to the Irish lads the AFL must be tanking to make the games competitive. The squad, save a few noteable exceptions, is slow and not all that skillful. Why pick Campbell Brown? Why pick Adam Selwood and not his brother Joel? Michael Firrito? Surely Malthouse et al aren't expecting any 100kg forward to turn out for the Irish.
We did have one but it's unlikely he will travel due to club commitments.
Quote from: cavanmaniac on October 09, 2008, 11:06:43 AM
With all due respect, the Irish seem to be holding up their end of the bargain with a few bizarro selections of their own!
I nominate this to be the word of the year so far. Great effort there cm. I'm going to use this in a sentence today as a tribute!
Quote from: Jinxy on October 09, 2008, 07:03:56 PM
Quote from: HeaveHo on October 09, 2008, 07:50:27 AM
I cannot believe the Aussie squad - with all due respect to the Irish lads the AFL must be tanking to make the games competitive. The squad, save a few noteable exceptions, is slow and not all that skillful. Why pick Campbell Brown? Why pick Adam Selwood and not his brother Joel? Michael Firrito? Surely Malthouse et al aren't expecting any 100kg forward to turn out for the Irish.
We did have one but it's unlikely he will travel due to club commitments.
I thought Colm Corkery had retired!
Colin Corkery. ;)
Was looking last night for footage of the tests from the 80's but couldnt find any
Anyone got any idea where I could find them?
Quote from: full back on October 10, 2008, 10:33:56 AM
Was looking last night for footage of the tests from the 80's but couldnt find any
Anyone got any idea where I could find them?
They're on youtube.
Any links heffo? I've looked but can't find any to the older games, just the recent ones.
Same here
Quote from: screenexile on October 10, 2008, 12:35:07 PM
Any links heffo? I've looked but can't find any to the older games, just the recent ones.
They take a bit of searching, but I'll see if I can dig them out
From 1984 - Watch out for the "pretty solid left hand"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kike5-OdLRE
Quote from: screenexile on October 10, 2008, 12:35:07 PM
Any links heffo? I've looked but can't find any to the older games, just the recent ones.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5g5QHP_Bis&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjubFv2Jvf4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKvaQR5wSaY&feature=related
Not the full games, but clips - if you search under 'Jack O'Shea' or 'Mick Lyons' etc you might get more
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gada3ROB26U&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kike5-OdLRE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJBNO10MspM
Anyone know if there s a clip of McGeeneys shoulder n Galway on Youtube? I heard it was a belter but still havent seen it
It's Funny. Things change yet they stay the same
http://gaadiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/467 (http://gaadiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/467)
Rising Kerry football star Tommy Walsh looks certain to miss the International Rules series due to ongoing club commitments.
Barring a surprise defeat for the Tralee club in their SFC quarter-final against Dingle on Sunday, the favourite for the Young Player of the Year award will have to forego the chance of representing his country in the same season that he made such a major impact in his first senior campaign.
That is due to the fact the Kerry SFC semi-finals are fixed for October 26 - two days after the first Test in Perth - and the county board is sticking rigidly to their schedule. The final is scheduled for November 2, which is the same weekend as the second Test in Melbourne.
Kerry chairman Jerome Conway insisted that the board was not prepared to call any games off because of the International Rules series. Without knowing if Walsh will be named in the travelling party by manager Sean Boylan this morning, he commented: "It would be unfortunate for any player to miss out on the chance of playing in the series, but we made that situation quite clear to all the clubs and they understand."
Walsh was one of the first Kerry players to be called into the training group after the All-Ireland final and he has been in Dublin for the last two weekends.
VACANCY FOR ONE THE REPLACEMENTS ? BUT WHICH ONE ?
I'd say Sean has a couple of players in mind. With the club season nearly over there's plenty of lads around the county at a loose end! ;)
Conor Gormley will be free to go now!
Would love to see how he would get on against the Aussies!
Get Ronan Clarke in, he wont lay down like some of the rest of them........
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on October 11, 2008, 09:32:01 PM
Conor Gormley will be free to go now!
Would love to see how he would get on against the Aussies!
The squad is light enough on quality forwards without replacing Walsh with a (quality) defender like Gormley.........surely has to mean a call up for Ronan Clarke.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 11, 2008, 09:12:11 PM
I'd say Sean has a couple of players in mind. With the club season nearly over there's plenty of lads around the county at a loose end! ;)
Around the county ! You must be joking, what about Tommy 10 thumbs for St Peters Dunboyne, surely worth a lash. :P
Quote from: JMohan on October 08, 2008, 12:03:29 AM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on October 07, 2008, 09:50:26 PM
Quote from: liihb on October 07, 2008, 12:17:24 PM
Squad
Irish International Rules squad: Seán Cavanagh (Tyrone), Graham Canty (Cork), David Gallagher (Meath), Colm Begley ( Brisbane Lions/Laois), Paddy Bradley (Derry), Bernard Brogan (Dublin), Benny Coulter (Down), Bryan Cullen (Dublin), Kieran Donaghy (Kerry), Leighton Glynn (Wicklow), Finian Hanley (Galway), John Keane (Westmeath), Aaron Kernan (Armagh), Ciarán Lyng (Wexford), Steven McDonnell (Armagh), Enda McGinley (Tyrone), Ciarán McKeever (Armagh), Joe McMahon (Tyrone), Justin McMahon (Tyrone), Michael Meehan (Galway), John Miskella (Cork), Aidan OMahony (Kerry), Pearse O'Neill (Cork), Tom Parsons (Mayo), Kevin Reilly (Meath), Tommy Walsh (Kerry), Killian Young (Kerry). Standby: Aidan Carr (Down), Ronan Clarke (Armagh), Paul Finlay (Monaghan), Conor Gormley (Tyrone), Kevin McCloy (Derry), Martin McGrath (Fermanagh).
I'm thinking the balding Anthony Tohill was very much the junior partner in the selection process.
Good to see Leighton Glynn there - he was outstanding in last year's Tommy Murphy cup final.
I'd agree with the Tohill bit.
How you can leave out Ronan Clarke (Armagh), Conor Gormley (Tyrone), Kevin McCloy (Derry) and Martin McGrath (Fermanagh) I'll never understand.
But sending out David Gallagher (Meath), Bernard Brogan (Dublin), Leighton Glynn (Wicklow), Finian Hanley (Galway), Ciarán Lyng (Wexford), Michael Meehan (Galway), John Miskella (Cork), Aidan OMahony (Kerry), Tom Parsons (Mayo), Kevin Reilly (Meath) and Tommy Walsh (Kerry) is just crazy.
How dare they include players from the free state in this squad.
Headbanger !
:D
Surely Clarke has to get the nod now, I think the reason he wasn't named originally is because he had trouble making the training sessions. He might not be all that fit, did his club stay long involved in the Armagh SFC?
Edit: I see Bernard Brogan is a doubtful traveller now as well because the Dub SFC final has been rescheduled.
Quote from: cavanmaniac on October 14, 2008, 12:44:35 PM
Surely Clarke has to get the nod now, I think the reason he wasn't named originally is because he had trouble making the training sessions. He might not be all that fit, did his club stay long involved in the Armagh SFC?
Edit: I see Bernard Brogan is a doubtful traveller now as well because the Dub SFC final has been rescheduled.
Playing Cross in the final on Sunday
Tommy Walsh is out and I'd say Killian Young will pull out too, South Kerry are playing Rahilly's in the county Semi final,
Paul Finlay replaced Walsh in the squad today.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on October 15, 2008, 06:53:20 PM
Tommy Walsh is out and I'd say Killian Young will pull out too, South Kerry are playing Rahilly's in the county Semi final,
think killian young said he's heading for oz
Quotethink killian young said he's heading for oz
cant really blame him. He's already won a couple of county medals and the attachment to a divisional side would not be as great. However, I'd say he'll never captain Kerry if South Kerry lose with him away :D
Quote from: ExiledGael on October 15, 2008, 07:19:17 PM
Paul Finlay replaced Walsh in the squad today.
Holy jaysus. Has clarke murdered someone belonging to boylan?
finlay is another wing mirror merchant by the way
Was it my imagination or was Boylan nearly in tears giving out about Mickey Harte on TV3 last night? What been that mini rant and his whinging after the last Rules game I'm beginning to think he's lost it, certainly not as composed in front of the cameras as he used to be, doesn't auger well...
Anyways, while I'd be more interested in seeing a resumption of the Inter Provincials than this lark and bearing in mind what's gone on in the last couple of series, I'm starting to develop some interest for this years series, wonder how long it'll last... :D
Quote from: The GAA on October 15, 2008, 09:13:19 PM
Quote from: ExiledGael on October 15, 2008, 07:19:17 PM
Paul Finlay replaced Walsh in the squad today.
Holy jaysus. Has clarke murdered someone belonging to boylan?
finlay is another wing mirror merchant by the way
Just don't get it at all, he is perfectly suited to the game, strong and great on either foot.. Boylan has something against him or an axe to grind!! :o
Ye Gods! Boylan is Trapattoni to Clarke's Andy Reid!
Seriously though, Boylan has been indulging himself a tad with these Ireland selections in his two years at the helm. There were some fishy contenders in the last panel as well as far as I recall. Hard to see why Clarke isn't getting the nod, the understanding he enjoys with McDonnell could be a key factor.
Not displeased with Finlay either, he can land some serious long range points and is good kicking from the hands which is useful in this game. Whether his skills fall by the wayside when the heat comes on remains to be seen however.
I'd be somewhat concerend that some of the Aussie players will single Sean Cavanagh out for special treatment for turning his back on their game, especially in his captains role. Hope I'm wrong.
Why would aussie players give a shite whether some amateur player they've never heard of turns down a contract to be a squad player in their game?
Barry Hall- Heayweight boxer ?????????? :o
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,21903033-23211,00.html
Quote from: Longshanks on October 16, 2008, 11:00:40 AM
Quote from: The GAA on October 15, 2008, 09:13:19 PM
Quote from: ExiledGael on October 15, 2008, 07:19:17 PM
Paul Finlay replaced Walsh in the squad today.
Holy jaysus. Has clarke murdered someone belonging to boylan?
finlay is another wing mirror merchant by the way
Just don't get it at all, he is perfectly suited to the game, strong and great on either foot.. Boylan has something against him or an axe to grind!! :o
Maybe Clarke doesn't want to go?
Quotehttp://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,21903033-23211,00.html
Barry Hall- Heayweight boxer ?
Encouraging any man to take up professional boxing at 31 or 32 is reckless in the extreme.
Bernard Brogan is the latest to pull out. Marty McGrath has been called in to replace him.
Some of the papers mentioned Ronan Clarke hasn't attended training sessions since being named on the stand-by list, is this due to Pearse Og commtiments or what? Hard to believe he's being continually overlooked, he doesn't appear to be the type to throw the head up, maybe he's just decided to focus on the Armagh final.
Quote from: under the bar on October 16, 2008, 02:30:57 PM
Quotehttp://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,21903033-23211,00.html
Barry Hall- Heayweight boxer ?
Encouraging any man to take up professional boxing at 31 or 32 is reckless in the extreme.
Would be interesting to see him boxing boxers in a boxing ring instead of boxing football players on a football field, but then he might find that a bit harder.
Quote from: under the bar on October 16, 2008, 12:33:57 PM
I'd be somewhat concerend that some of the Aussie players will single Sean Cavanagh out for special treatment for turning his back on their game, especially in his captains role. Hope I'm wrong.
I'd say most of the Aussie will hardly know his name when first arrives out
Quote from: stephenite on October 16, 2008, 09:56:48 PM
Quote from: under the bar on October 16, 2008, 12:33:57 PM
I'd be somewhat concerend that some of the Aussie players will single Sean Cavanagh out for special treatment for turning his back on their game, especially in his captains role. Hope I'm wrong.
I'd say most of the Aussie will hardly know his name when first arrives out
So the Aussies wont be preparing for the team they are facing? ???
Quote from: Puckoon on October 16, 2008, 09:58:57 PM
Quote from: stephenite on October 16, 2008, 09:56:48 PM
Quote from: under the bar on October 16, 2008, 12:33:57 PM
I'd be somewhat concerend that some of the Aussie players will single Sean Cavanagh out for special treatment for turning his back on their game, especially in his captains role. Hope I'm wrong.
I'd say most of the Aussie will hardly know his name when first arrives out
So the Aussies wont be preparing for the team they are facing? ???
Of course they will, but if you think they'll be sitting in the dressing room using the fact that Sean didn't go out to play AFL as a motivational tool you're way off, I guarantee those Aussies that are playing this game for the first time will not have heard of him.
I see your point now - I for one hadnt even thought about Sean's decision to turn down the AFL.
But they better know a little about him - and a few others too.
Malthouse should have them well drilled, he's a good AFL coach. I was just responding to the post that suggested Cavanagh might be singled out for turning down an AFL contract, he won't be, he'll be singled out as a threat on the pitch and one that'll take watching
Team i would start is
David Gallagher
John Keane Justin McMahon Graham Canty
Colm Begley Ciaran McKeever Aaron Kernan
Martin McGrath Kieran Donaghy
Enda McGinley Bryan Cullen Sean Cavanagh
Stephen McDonnell Benny Coulter Paddy Bradley
Donaghy in midfield? Why would you do that to us?
QuoteWas it my imagination or was Boylan nearly in tears giving out about Mickey Harte on TV3 last night? What been that mini rant and his whinging after the last Rules game I'm beginning to think he's lost it, certainly not as composed in front of the cameras as he used to be, doesn't auger well...
Anyways, while I'd be more interested in seeing a resumption of the Inter Provincials than this lark and bearing in mind what's gone on in the last couple of series, I'm starting to develop some interest for this years series, wonder how long it'll last...
Harte said players were going for the free holiday. Whatever your views on the IR (and I am lukewarm on it), to be making comments like that right before the series is about to start is bang out of order and Boylan is perfectly within his rights to respond. Harte obviously has an axe to grind with Boylan (1996 semi ?).
Nah Mike, Harte has a serious axe to grind with the IR series in general, I doubt it's anything against Boylan.
Mickey reckons we should be concentrating on promoting pure gaelic around the world in areas where there's ex-pats, and indeed where there's not. Harte wants gaelic to go global as much as possible, and feels that the IR is just oul' tricking around with a sideshow that can never go anywhere in terms of global appeal. He does have a point in that the interprovincial series is the only true representative selection above intercounty and it's shameful how it's being left to die the death by a thousand cuts.
The problem is that he can't see the IR for what it is, a one-off exhibition game every year, instead he's buying into the lark that it's a quasi-global platform for showcasing GAA to the world, which it's not. It's just a very short-lived diversion at the end of the year and should be seen in those terms.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on October 17, 2008, 07:11:33 AM
QuoteWas it my imagination or was Boylan nearly in tears giving out about Mickey Harte on TV3 last night? What been that mini rant and his whinging after the last Rules game I'm beginning to think he's lost it, certainly not as composed in front of the cameras as he used to be, doesn't auger well...
Anyways, while I'd be more interested in seeing a resumption of the Inter Provincials than this lark and bearing in mind what's gone on in the last couple of series, I'm starting to develop some interest for this years series, wonder how long it'll last...
Harte said players were going for the free holiday. Whatever your views on the IR (and I am lukewarm on it), to be making comments like that right before the series is about to start is bang out of order and Boylan is perfectly within his rights to respond. Harte obviously has an axe to grind with Boylan (1996 semi ?).
Harte would have been so far removed from the 1996 semi - that thats a moot point.
He has long been an opponent of the IR series - and if you look at his quote properly, it is not quite as disengenious as suggesting that the lads are just going for a free holiday. He claims to be representing the views of a few of the players that he has evidently spoken to about the trip.
Timing is everything - and its not great to have those comments before the series - however thats more down to the media than MH, as he'd say the same thing in January, March, July, or October.
Quote from: under the bar on October 16, 2008, 02:30:57 PM
Quotehttp://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,21903033-23211,00.html
Barry Hall- Heayweight boxer ?
Encouraging any man to take up professional boxing at 31 or 32 is reckless in the extreme.
32 is a pup in the heavyweight ranks.
Quote from: under the bar on October 16, 2008, 02:30:57 PM
Quotehttp://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,21903033-23211,00.html
Barry Hall- Heayweight boxer ?
Encouraging any man to take up professional boxing at 31 or 32 is reckless in the extreme.
would you like to take a blow from him? i certainly wouldnt! ???
You're not a boxer though. He'd be destroyed by any half decent international heavyweight. Even with boxing at it's lowest ebb this just smacks of a publicity stunt. So he won an amateur boxing title when he was a young fella. Big deal. He could become Australian champion and it would still mean nothing. And if you think otherwise I'd like you to name the current Australian heavyweight champion.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 19, 2008, 12:36:26 AM
You're not a boxer though. He'd be destroyed by any half decent international heavyweight. Even with boxing at it's lowest ebb this just smacks of a publicity stunt. So he won an amateur boxing title when he was a young fella. Big deal. He could become Australian champion and it would still mean nothing. And if you think otherwise I'd like you to name the current Australian heavyweight champion.
Everyone knows its John Hopoate. Wait for the best bit....
he's a former rugby league player. :D
John Hopoate - suspended for consistently trying to insert a digit up opponents holes in the tackle whilst playing rugby league, he didn't try this just the once
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=S8KtKh32d9g (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=S8KtKh32d9g)
Quote from: Jinxy on October 19, 2008, 12:36:26 AM
You're not a boxer though. He'd be destroyed by any half decent international heavyweight. Even with boxing at it's lowest ebb this just smacks of a publicity stunt. So he won an amateur boxing title when he was a young fella. Big deal. He could become Australian champion and it would still mean nothing. And if you think otherwise I'd like you to name the current Australian heavyweight champion.
Anthony Mundine switched from rugby league to boxing successfully. Fought Mikael Kessler twice for the title - lost on points both times but well above average.
Quote from: stephenite on October 19, 2008, 04:57:04 AM
John Hopoate - suspended for consistently trying to insert a digit up opponents holes in the tackle whilst playing rugby league, he didn't try this just the once
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=S8KtKh32d9g (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=S8KtKh32d9g)
no surprises he boxing now, he seems naturally drawn to the ring
That's quality juice. ;D
Hadn't been following this thread...
Quote from: bridgegael on October 08, 2008, 02:02:19 PM
Quote from: JMohan on October 08, 2008, 01:51:53 PM
Freeman never played
i think you'll find he played in the '03 series in australia.
Quote from: JMohan on October 08, 2008, 02:34:39 PM
If he did it was the stupidest decision ever by a rules manager
Why so?
Just had a read at the Irish News monthly sport magazine and Tommy did indeed play in 2003 and scored 2 points.
Does anyone know is there gonna be delayed coverage of this game shown sometime this weekend, so that all of us who have to work Fridays get to see the game????
Quote from: Maguire01 on October 19, 2008, 01:59:45 PM
Hadn't been following this thread...
Quote from: bridgegael on October 08, 2008, 02:02:19 PM
Quote from: JMohan on October 08, 2008, 01:51:53 PM
Freeman never played
i think you'll find he played in the '03 series in australia.
Quote from: JMohan on October 08, 2008, 02:34:39 PM
If he did it was the stupidest decision ever by a rules manager
Why so?
Just had a read at the Irish News monthly sport magazine and Tommy did indeed play in 2003 and scored 2 points.
In my opinion he is not a Compromise Rules player ...
He's not physically strong enough for the Rules game
He hasn't the mentality to withstand the constant pyschological and physical taunting
He's too small to compete for his own ball
Quote from: stephenite on October 19, 2008, 04:57:04 AM
John Hopoate - suspended for consistently trying to insert a digit up opponents holes in the tackle whilst playing rugby league, he didn't try this just the once
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=S8KtKh32d9g (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=S8KtKh32d9g)
It went on for a while before they decided to do anything about him too ... very pyschologically damaging
Read somewhere that Friday's game starts at 11.20am Irish time, I thought it was supposed to be 9.30am??
Quote from: Doire abú on October 20, 2008, 12:21:22 AM
Read somewhere that Friday's game starts at 11.20am Irish time, I thought it was supposed to be 9.30am??
First test coverage starts at 11:10am on RTE1. Second test coverage starts at 8:30am on RTE2.
Quote from: ExiledGael on October 16, 2008, 03:51:36 PM
Bernard Brogan is the latest to pull out. Marty McGrath has been called in to replace him.
Some of the papers mentioned Ronan Clarke hasn't attended training sessions since being named on the stand-by list, is this due to Pearse Og commtiments or what? Hard to believe he's being continually overlooked, he doesn't appear to be the type to throw the head up, maybe he's just decided to focus on the Armagh final.
It's a disgrace that Ronan Clarke wasn't picked, he would have went if picked, stand by my arse!
Quote from: JMohan on October 20, 2008, 12:17:52 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on October 19, 2008, 01:59:45 PM
Hadn't been following this thread...
Quote from: bridgegael on October 08, 2008, 02:02:19 PM
Quote from: JMohan on October 08, 2008, 01:51:53 PM
Freeman never played
i think you'll find he played in the '03 series in australia.
Quote from: JMohan on October 08, 2008, 02:34:39 PM
If he did it was the stupidest decision ever by a rules manager
Why so?
Just had a read at the Irish News monthly sport magazine and Tommy did indeed play in 2003 and scored 2 points.
In my opinion he is not a Compromise Rules player ...
He's not physically strong enough for the Rules game
He hasn't the mentality to withstand the constant pyschological and physical taunting
He's too small to compete for his own ball
och would ya quit. from memory tommy did very well in the series, why would you say he hasn't the mentality to deal with the rough stuff?? have you anything to back that up??
This is the way I see it going. If ticket sales for the 2nd game are reasonable then there won't be much trouble in the 1st game. If ticket sales are poor I GUARANTEE there will be a serious mill-up to generate a bit of interest for the 2nd test. Either that or some PR stunt will create tension between the two camps in the run-up to the 2nd game (i.e. one of the Aussies saying someone is going to get it on the Irish team, like they did with Geraghty last time).
i see the gaelic life are doing daily footage from the team down under on their website. worth checking out.
- Spotted this on Evening Herald website - Sheedy calls Boylan a Leprechaun!
FORMER Australia manager Kevin Sheedy has lit the torch paper for another potentially explosive International Rules series with some inflammatory comments that are sure to enrage the Irish party that has just landed in Perth.
Sheedy is particularly scathing of Seá Boylan - his opposite number for the ill-fated tour of Ireland in 2006 - and claims that he "ranted and raved" for an hour after the second test in Croke Park that year.
Meanwhile, a "leprechaun" reference to the former Meath boss, who has returned as Irish manager, could be deemed downright insulting.
Upped ante
The good news for the uncertain future of International Rules is that Sheedy is no longer involved, but he has certainly upped the ante ahead of the first test at the Subiaco Oval next Friday.
The former Essendon supremo was referring to the incredible press conference that followed the last infamous collision between Ireland and Australia.
At the time, Boylan was incandescent at some of the Australian antics, and the violent scenes that marred the tourists' cakewalk victory led directly to a postponement of the planned tour Down Under last year.
Only after much tough negotiations between GAA and Australian Football League chiefs, coupled with several rule changes, has the series been revived; but the hybrid code remains very much "on trial" over the coming fortnight.
Sheedy probably hasn't helped relations with his newspaper column advice to the Irish tourists. Writing in the Sunday Herald Sun, he suggests: "There is one thing I would like to pass on to the Irish ahead of the revived International Rules series. You can punch an Australian and we won't be totally insulted. But if you kick us, you are going the wrong way about it.
"After the last series was marred by controversial acts it would be disappointing if the Irish sought retribution.
"They should bump and tackle, but don't stick a leg out. If it's played in the right spirit, this will be a fantastic spectacle."
Recalling his own time as Australian coach, Sheedy claims there were some "over-reactions", adding: "Yes, Chris Johnson made a poor decision three years ago, but Danyle Pearce made a legitimate and honest tackle the last time the teams met.
"So at no other stage was I concerned about the way the game was being played.
"Irish coach Seán Boylan didn't see it that way and he ranted and raved for an hour after the match in Dublin.
"I almost fell asleep waiting for my turn and it was the first time I thought I had met a leprechaun," he writes.
""It could have easily been Ray 'Slug' Jordon giving me an earful. But at least there was passion and I'm thrilled the matches are back."
Australian vice-captain Adam Selwood - a veteran of the '06 series - has delivered a more conciliatory message while insisting the home side weren't thugs who simply wanted to "fight the Irish."
"We've gone through the rules and understand now what's acceptable and what's not compared to the last series," Selwood revealed.
"Obviously it did get out of hand a little bit for about ten minutes there, but I think the guys know where it stands. If something like that happens again, the series is off pretty much forever.
"So we're not here to fight the Irish or anything like that, we've got the utmost respect for them and I'm just hopeful it's going to be a good game and a fair game," he concluded.
Quote from: 15 Johnny Blues on October 20, 2008, 05:40:36 PM
You can punch an Australian and we won't be totally insulted. But if you kick us, you are going the wrong way about it.
"After the last series was marred by controversial acts it would be disappointing if the Irish sought retribution.
"They should bump and tackle, but don't stick a leg out. If it's played in the right spirit, this will be a fantastic spectacle."
What is he talking about?
Who kicked who?
Sheedy's spot on there I think.
I mean anyone can see from the way, two years ago, that the Irish boys were talking about 'open slather' before the second test, and even targetting specific players before throw-in, that we clearly weren't intent on playing any football with the skilful Aussies who came here to play within the rules. Sheedy was at pains to underline this in every media interview he did at the time as well, and never once was evasive when quizzed on potential violence.
Sure, Johnson made a 'poor decision' (twice I think) the year previously, unfortunately 'deciding' to suffer a double reflex action due to a trapped nerve in his arm at precisely the time when an Irish player happened to be in the vicinity, with most accidental clotheslinings the result.
And then Boylan takes a misguided rant after the whole sorry show trying to cover up Ireland's naked agenda of thuggery with pure brass neck, while a clearly embarrassed Sheedy just sat there like the true Corinthian he is, only now letting his famous reputation for sportsmanship drop a little so he can lift the veil on what really happened two years ago.
Sheedy = champ.
Boylan = leprechaun.
Couldn't see it posted anywhere, but did anyone see McDonnells article on Hoganstand. Fighting talk. Very like Geezers from the last series.
when and what time is the first test on? Hopefully not when im at work!
Friday morning around lunchtime i think. Second test is the following Friday even earlier in the day.
Someone please tell me Setanta or someone is also showing this. Have big problems getting RTE.
Quote from: stiffler on October 19, 2008, 07:10:16 PM
Does anyone know is there gonna be delayed coverage of this game shown sometime this weekend, so that all of us who have to work Fridays get to see the game????
??
Thank god i will be working when this thuggery is on the Box >:(
looks like the first test will be a sell out (25k sold) with a crowd of 40k expected.
Im actually looking forward to watching the encounters, it will be very interesting to see the 4 hand passes then kick rule in play. How do you coach that one - just use three handpasses just incase someone hasnt counted correctly, or missed a handpass along the way?
I remember them doing something similar in the league about 13 years ago where you weren't allowed to handpass twice in a row.
Actually starting to look forward to it a bit now, it got me in the end, Sadly i cant watch it. RTE's online coverage is Ireland only. Feckin' Setanta, could've had a peek during work. Hopefully RTE or AFL will have a tracker on the score
Its not on setanta broadband?
from todays indo, going by this nothing has changed, which leaves me with the question why are we there, or is it for a tan?
Aussies promise to get physical in Rules clashes
Monday October 20 2008
IRELAND'S International Rules squad arrived in Perth late last night to be told that the Australians were planning a heavy-duty, physical approach to the two Test games over the next two Fridays, WRITES MARTIN BREHENY.
The series was placed in jeopardy after disgracefully violent scenes marred the 2005 and 2006 games but Aussie captain Brent Harvey insisted that physicality would remain a major part of their approach.
"The advantage we'll have is being physical because their (Ireland) advantage is skill with the round ball but they're not used to tackling. So if we're to play our best we need to be hard in our attack on the ball. You can't not go in hard. We'll trust all the boys to do the right thing and going by the character of the players, it's not in anyone's make-up to go out and throw punches.
"We don't want to jeopardise the series for future players. But you try telling blokes like Shaun Burgoyne and Daniel Motlop to pull out of a contest -- you have no hope," said Harvey.
However, the fact that players from both countries who misbehave will, for the first time, have suspensions carried forward to their domestic programmes next year is expected to lead to improved discipline.
Quote from: cavanmaniac on October 20, 2008, 06:03:37 PM
Sheedy's spot on there I think.
I mean anyone can see from the way, two years ago, that the Irish boys were talking about 'open slather' before the second test, and even targetting specific players before throw-in,
In particular, Geraghty's outrageously provocative comments were specifically designed to inflame an Aussie reaction.
His comments were made after he was cleared to play in the second test went something like. "I'm glad I'm cleared to play, now I can bring my 2 kids to watch their Daddy play in Croke Pk'.
Why else would he bring his kids to Croker except for them to see Daddy get the retaliation in first.
Quote from: Puckoon on October 20, 2008, 09:20:57 PM
Its not on setanta broadband?
That isnt free though is it?
Oh. Well then I dont care, so long as its on there. :D
Quote from: Main Street on October 20, 2008, 09:34:39 PM
Quote from: cavanmaniac on October 20, 2008, 06:03:37 PM
Sheedy's spot on there I think.
I mean anyone can see from the way, two years ago, that the Irish boys were talking about 'open slather' before the second test, and even targetting specific players before throw-in,
In particular, Geraghty's outrageously provocative comments were specifically designed to inflame an Aussie reaction.
His comments were made after he was cleared to play in the second test went something like. "I'm glad I'm cleared to play, now I can bring my 2 kids to watch their Daddy play in Croke Pk'.
Why else would he bring his kids to Croker except for them to see Daddy get the retaliation in first.
;D
Australian Squad
Nathan Bock (Adelaide), Matthew Boyd (Western Bulldogs), Jared Brennan (Brisbane Lions), Campbell Brown (Hawthorn), Shaun Burgoyne (Port Adelaide), Matt Campbell (North Melbourne), Ryan Crowley (Fremantle), Michael Firrito (North Melbourne), Nathan Foley (Richmond), Brent Harvey (North Melbourne), Roger Hayden (Fremantle), Leigh Montagna (St Kilda), Daniel Motlop (Port Adelaide), Marc Murphy (Carlton), Michael Osborne (Hawthorn), Scott Pendlebury (Collingwood), Drew Petrie (North Melbourne), David Rodan (Port Adelaide), Max Rooke (Geelong), Brad Sewell (Hawthorn), Kade Simpson (Carlton), Adam Selwood (West Coast), Dale Thomas (Collingwood), Scott Thompson (Adelaide), Daniel Wells (North Melbourne)
Does anybody know what time the highlights are on rte (i presume they have the rights) on Friday night?
That p***k Sheedy is at it again. Can he not fck off now that he's not involved. Makes my blood boil, that w**ker. From today's independent:
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Sheedy said the only concerns he had about the way the game was being played was Chris Johnson's fist frenzy in 2005 that earned him a hefty suspension.
"At no other stage was I concerned about the way the game was played. Sean Boylan didn't see it that way and he ranted and raved for an hour after the match in Dublin. I almost fell asleep waiting for my turn and it was the first time I thought I had met a leprechaun," recalled Sheedy.
Why are we engaging with these people? Our sporting cultures have nothing in common. Theirs seems to be based on boorish, swaggering bravado and trash-talking the opposition as exemplified by that mouthy clown. That sort of bombastic shite is alien to the GAA way. We tend towards understatement, self-effacement and talking up the opposition - see Seán Cavanagh, Seán Boylan or just about any Irish player interviewed. What is this crap junket supposed to bring to our game or contribute to our sporting culture?
This "leprechaun" thing is exactly the kind of PR stunt I was talking about. Now Seán Boylan will be asked to comment on what was said.
This bastard game is all about money so whatever it takes to sell tickets is legit as far as the aussies are concerned.
QuoteIt's a disgrace that Ronan Clarke wasn't picked, he would have went if picked, stand by my arse!
Maybe his girlfriend wouldn't let him as the wags weren't invited?
Quote from: under the bar on October 21, 2008, 10:11:19 AM
QuoteIt's a disgrace that Ronan Clarke wasn't picked, he would have went if picked, stand by my arse!
Maybe his girlfriend wouldn't let him as the wags weren't invited?
Should have been a stand up comedian ;)
Armagh ace Steven McDonnell insists that Ireland will not lie down to the Australians in this year's International Rules series if the Tests take the same turn towards physicality as they did two years ago.
McDonnell was apart of the Irish team in 2006 where chaos had entered the two tests at Croke Park, forcing sporting bodies from both countries to abandon the series for the following year. Now the Irish team, managed by Sean Boylan, travel to Australia and McDonnell has confirmed that the side will not be lying down to any "bullyboy tactics" that the hosts might deploy.
"What went on two years ago is certainly in the back of players minds," McDonnell told the Irish Mail on Sunday. "It was disgraceful and we'll be going out to prove we're capable of winning. We aren't going to lie down, regardless of what tactics they take into the game.
"We're going out to beat them at playing football first and foremost but if they want to use their bullyboy tactics of two years ago then we'll act accordingly. Obviously, we're not as strong as them but we'll hit into them if we have to."
The Killeavy clubman recalls his last experience against the Aussies as one where the opposition didn't want to play "any kind of football".
"I was being pulled and hauled for three quarters of the game and it does get frustrating when the man you're marking doesn't want to play any kind of football.
"What can you do? At the end of the day, I wasn't going to let him push me around, and if I wasn't going to be allowed to play football then neither was he."
While this year, both the GAA and the AFL have pledged to clean up their acts so as the game can have some kind of future, McDonnell is hopeful that the opponents can stick to playing football over the two tests.
"I can't see the Australians lying down; I still think they're going to be physical but maybe they'll take more of the thuggery out of it."
Meanwhile, it has emerged that McDonnell's Armagh team mate Ronan Clarke is said to have snubbed Sean Boylan's offer of a trip Down Under as he refused to be held in reserve for the series.
After Kerry star Tommy Walsh had decided not to join up with Boylan's side, it was said that Clarke was offered his ticket but refused to be second choice and now lines out in the Armagh SFC final for Crossmaglen Rangers today.
Monaghan's Paul Finlay answered Boylan's call and has flown out with the squad this weekend.
I didnt know Clarke had snubbed Boylan
If the series passes off without incident & Ireland are beaten I think Boylan has a lot to answer for
Anybody know the best place to watch the games in Las Vegas?
Paddy Power International Betting
Series Betting
Australia 4 - 9
Ireland 13 - 8
To win both Test
Australia 11 - 10
Ireland 7 - 2
First team to have a player sent off
Australia 4 - 7
Ireland 5 - 4
Top Irish Series Point Scorer
S McDonnell 4 - 1
S Cavanagh 5 - 1
P Bradley 11 - 2
R Clarke 11 - 2
B Coulter 6 - 1
M Meehan 7 - 1
K Donaghy 11 - 1
C Lyng 14 - 1
L Glynn 25 - 1
E McGinley 28 - 1
P O'Neill 33 - 1
B Cullen 33 - 1
T Parsons 33 - 1
C Begley 33 - 1
A Kernan 40 - 1
F Hanley 66 - 1
C McKeever 80 - 1
K Young 80 - 1
Joe McMahon 80 - 1
G Canty 80 - 1
K Reilly 100 - 1
J Keane 125 - 1
First Irish Player to get Sent Off
C McKeever 7 - 1
K Donaghy 8 - 1
G Canty 10 - 1
B Cullen 10 - 1
K Reilly 10 - 1
C Begley 12 - 1
J Keane 12 - 1
F Hanley 12 - 1
A Kernan 14 - 1
Joe McMahon 14 - 1
P O'Neill 14 - 1
T Parsons 16 - 1
E McGinley 16 - 1
S McDonnell 20 - 1
L Glynn 20 - 1
K Young 20 - 1
P Bradley 20 - 1
B Coulter 20 - 1
R Clarke 25 - 1
D Gallagher 28 - 1
C Lyng 33 - 1
S Cavanagh 33 - 1
I see the odds compilers have been paying attention to the Irish Squad selection ::)
P Bradley not a bad price at 11/2.
Quote from: full back on October 21, 2008, 12:38:56 PM
I see the odds compilers have been paying attention to the Irish Squad selection ::)
Yeah I see R Clarke in there a few times!
So we play the convicts and they compare us to leprechauns. Before going into renovating this series we should have been asking is their a basic level of respect there from either side. The Australians obviously dont respect the irsih and how are we as Irish with our history to accord respect to a people who stole the land of their indigenous inhabitants - not a bad bit of colonisation for a nation of convicts. Its like us playing the brits in the sun..
I hear there's to be a pre-series dinner for both squads (together in the same room, like), based on what they do at the Ryder Cup. I dunno about that for an idea. I think all the cutlery should be removed for a start. It will be easier for our lads to learn to eat with their hands than the vice versa.
I dont know why people are upset about the comments made about Boylan.
I would take it as a bit of craic & it was probably said to wind the Irish squad up
Big deal, get over it & do the talking on the field
My memories of Australian women form a previous trip would certainly not let me be bitter and i think in general thats the reason many nations around the world love going to Oz (all done in the name of Sport) We wiish the Irish team a successful trip and also good luck at the Compromise rules as well.
Quote from: Doire abú on October 21, 2008, 12:40:46 PM
P Bradley not a bad price at 11/2.
Nor a bad price at 20/1 to be first Irishman to get sent off ;)
I really hope we tr**p these guys into the ground. Traditionally any team Boylan puts out always knew how to combine the darker arts, so lets hope they pay back for what happened Graham Geraghty 2 years ago.
Feck just when you start to look forward to this they go and throw this shit in your face!
I don;t really like this game but i have to agree with the aussies on boylan's rant last time. i like sean and the manner in which his teams have always played but my heart sank when i heard him complaining like that after the last test. irrspective of the rights or wrongs of what he had to say, the timing was wrong and he came across as a bad loser.
You have to look at Boylans reaction that day in the context of what happened to Geraghty. Forget all the rest of the nonsense that went on. The Irish mentors would have been well aware during the build-up to the game that Graham was going to be targetted. The tackle that got him in the end was borderline but lacked any real malicious intent. However, I was in the stadium at the time and when play moved on most peoples eyes followed the ball. When people copped that Geraghty was still on the ground and had gone into spasms a few people started saying the australians had done him and I began to think something had happened after the initial tackle while I was following the play. I was pretty incandescent with rage as it was obvious Geragthy was in serious trouble. A woman in front of me said out loud "Oh god, I think they've broken his neck." There was a huge amount of anger in the area I was sitting. Now, Seán wasn't much closer to the incident than I was. I'd imagine his emotions were pretty much the same, except he would have been good friends with Graham for many years. So he thought straight away, "They've said they would get him and now he's seriously injured." And him with a young family. For what? This makey uppey nonsense? I fully understand why he was so upset that day. Without the benefit of multiple replays and different angles, it seemed pretty obvious what had happened. The rest of the bullsh*t that went on, i.e. the systematic targetting of Irelands best players so that a number had to be replaced due to injury and the resulting reduction in numbers on our interchange bench, was just the icing on the cake. But the Geraghty thing was definitely what tipped him over the edge.
QuoteI really hope we tr**p these guys into the ground. Traditionally any team Boylan puts out always knew how to combine the darker arts, so lets hope they pay back for what happened Graham Geraghty 2 years ago.
Fer fuxache the only chance Ireland have of 'payback' is to outplay the Aussies. If they decide to get rough the Aussies will eat them for breakfast. Not too many players on the panel will want to sacrifice several teeth for Graham Geraghty.
Sheedy:
Quote"There is one thing I would like to pass on to the Irish ahead of the revived International Rules series. You can punch an Australian and we won't be totally insulted. But if you kick us you are going the wrong way about it."
This is a euphemism for don't whinge when we punch your lights out but don't dare do anything we find unacceptable.
Typical Sheedy, if any one individual is responsible for the demise of a great spectacle it is him.
Quote from: ludermor on October 21, 2008, 12:00:14 PM
Anybody know the best place to watch the games in Las Vegas?
Ludor - check with McMullans Irish bar
McMullan's Irish Pub
www.mcmullansirishpub.com
4650 W Tropicana Ave
Las Vegas, NV 89103
(702) 247-7000
Get directions
or the 9 fine irishmen in the new york new york.
Nine Fine Irishmen
www.ninefineirishmen.com
3790 Las Vegas Blvd S
Las Vegas, NV 89109
(702) 740-6463
Get directions
For the city that never sleeps - neither place is answering :D
Cheers for that Puck, we are staying in new york new york, hopefully iy will be showing
How The Irish Times reported this particular game on Monday, October 22nd, 1984. Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose...
Aussies ignore rules to triumph
Former GAA correspondent Paddy Downey watched a physical Australian side prove too strong (70-57) for Ireland in Croke Park in the autumn of 1984
NOW WE have a new slant on the problem of marital breakdowns. The wedding of two forms of football half a world apart was consummated with ferocity and many recriminations at Páirc Uí Chaoimh yesterday when Australia beat Ireland by a margin of 13 points in the historic first Test match between the two countries.
Showing a vast improvement in their kicking of the Gaelic ball compared with their performance in Galway last Wednesday - when they lost to a Connacht selection - the Australians won by two goals (six points each), 15 overs (three points each) and 13 single points to Ireland's four goals, eight overs and nine points.
The Galway match was shadow-boxing a kid glove affair in comparison with yesterday's volatile engagement. The Irish players at the end of the day were overwhelmed by the touring team's lethal combination of fierce tackling, superior fielding, ball control, positioning and fitness - and, not least, their ability to kick scores at long and short range from play and set pieces.
The match was excessively physical and in the third quarter erupted into a free-for-all which embroiled most of the players on both sides and a few intruders - substitutes and officials - from the sideline.
The Australians appeared to forget or ignore the agreed rules governing the tackle and frequently pulled down opponents in possession of the ball. The short arm tackle was used a few times with unfortunate results for the Ireland fullback, Mick Lyons, and substitute John Costello, who were taken off the field with concussion.
The neutral observer must, however, try to identify causes for the tourists' tactics. They entered the match with an implacable will to win and in their commitment to that objective, they often resorted to the touch physical contact which is a notable feature of their own Rules game.
The result was a succession of fouls under the composite rules agreed for this series , but it is only fair to assume that many of their infringements were instinctive rather than deliberate. It must also be said that the Irish players invited crunching tackles many times because of their tendency to dally in possession of the ball, especially when they chose to play on after taking a "mark".
The Irish players appeared to be intimidated by their rivals' remorseless physical approach at an early stage of the proceedings and thus lost the initiative in later man-to-man confrontations.
Here a word of warning must be spoken. After the match the Irish officials, selectors and players were loudly critical of the Australians' tactics. But people in glasshouses cannot afford to throw stones. The persistent fouling and rugby-type tackling of the Aussies are not alien to Gaelic football. We complain about them every week.
It was ironic that the free-for-all in the third quarter was caused by an Irish player. The centre-half back Tom Spillane pulled down an opponent and from that action erupted the fight which, though vicious for a few moments, happily did not grow into a really embarrassing "international incident".
The weather conditions did not help either. Rain fell all through the match, making the ground slippery and the ball greasy and difficult to handle.
Now to the other side of the coin. When the fouling is excepted there was a great deal to admire in the quality of football played by both teams, and particularly by the Australians, who had made such a remarkable improvement since their mid-week display in Galway.
Last Wednesday's match was largely a "handball" affair but yesterday kicking, and very often excellent kicking, predominated. Play often flowed freely and swiftly and the Australians, all fine athletes, showed a remarkable degree of skill in their fetching and holding of the ball, their quick deliveries and pinpoint combination.
If the fouling problem can be sorted out - and this may be done when officials of both sides meet in Dublin on Tuesday night - the remainder of this series and the whole future of the internationals can be a success. Everything possible must be done to avoid "marital breakdown".
Although the Ireland team lost by a decisive margin, they were not disgraced, and will probably regroup their forces for the second Test at Croke Park next Sunday.
They started yesterday's match in a dreadful quandary. Their chosen goalkeeper, Martin Furlong, turned up at Páirc Uí Chaoimh with a shoulder injury and informed the selectors that he wished to withdraw from the team.The Irish side's problem, however, was that the selectors had not named a reserve goalkeeper. Dublin's John O'Leary had been named as a standby player but did not travel to Cork and, in a state of panic, the selectors tried to contact the Kerry goalkeeper, Charlie Nelligan, in Castleisland to invite him to make a dash to take over from Furlong.
Nelligan could not be located, however, and Furlong was forced to line out with his left arm virtually useless. He played courageously, however, but his disability was responsible to some extent for Australia's two goals which were scored by the midfielder Mark Lee and left-full forward John flatten.
Ireland's goals were scored by Jimmy Kerrigan, Matt Connor (from a penalty), both in the first quarter, and Barney Rock and substitute Brian O'Donnell in the fourth quarter.
Ireland had the better of the play, if not the tackling, in the opening quarter and at the first interval led by 17 points to nine. At that stage, the attendance of nearly 8,000 people were feeling sympathy with the visitors whom they felt were destined for a heavy beating.
But the scene changed quickly and in the second quarter the Australians jumped to a lead of 31 to 20. In that period, Ireland scored only one over - equal to three points.
Ireland fought back again in the third quarter and when Connor scored his penalty goal, they had reduced their arrears to only three points (39 to 42). The Australians then regained control and were in no real danger of defeat at any time in the last quarter.
Their goalkeeper, Gary Mclnlosh, played outstandingly and on three occasions stopped what seemed certain to be Ireland goals. The tourists' backs also played powerfully, with Brad Hardie, Gary Pert, Robert Flower and Murray Rance covering and fielding in splendid style. Maurice Rioli was an industrious midfielder while Craig Bradley, Ross Glendinning, Platten and substitute Stephen Kernehan and Michael Aish formed the powerhouse of their attack.
The indefatigable Jack O'Shea was a hero of the Irish team in spite of the heavy knock he received early in the first quarter.
There were also outstanding displays for the home team by Tom Spillane, Jimmy Kerrigan, Noel Roche and Séamus McHugh in defence and Eoin Liston and Dermot McNicholl in the forward division.
Substitute Liam Tierney was also an outstanding figure on the Ireland team and Brian O'Donnell when he came on repeated the fine performance which he gave for Connacht last Wednesday.
AUSTRALIA: G Mclntosh, C Holden, G Pert, B Hardie (3 points), R DiPierdomenico, M Rance, R Flower (4), M Lee (10), M Rioli (6), C Bradley (10), R Glendinning (10), A Daniels (1), S Malaxos (capt), T Daniher (2), J Platten (8). Subs used: M Aish (9), P Motley, R Wiley, D Ackerley, S Kernehan (7), S Madden.
IRELAND: M Furloug (Offaly), N Roche (Clare). M Lvons (Meath) S McHugh (Galway) J Kerrigan (Cork) 6, T Spillane (Kerry), P J Buckley (Duhlin) 1, J O'Shea (Kerrv) capt 9, S Fahy (Kildare). B Rock (Dublin) 9, E Liston (Kerry) 13, D McNicholl(Derry) 4, C O'Rourke (Meath) 3, T O'Dwyer (Carlow), M Connor (Offaly) 6. Subs: S Walsh (Kerry), R Connor (Offaly), L Tierney (Longfordl), J Costello (Laois), L Hayes (Meath), B O'Donnell (Galway) 6. Liam Austin (Down), originally selected for mid-field, cried off because of injury and was replaced by Shay Fahy.
Referees: F Murphy (Cork) and R Sawers (Australia).
Paddy Downey was one of the best GAA reporters every to raise a pen.
When is the game on again? I want to make sure my boy doesn't stumble upon it on the telly or in the papers. Will there be highlights? At least then I'll know if it was anything less than a complete fiasco and might watch the edited version.
Copied from the odds thread....
Australia v Ireland - 1st Test 24 Oct 11:30 - 1st Ireland Goalscorer - 1st Test
Stevie Mc Donnell 9/2
Sean Cavanagh 11/2
Michael Meehan 11/2
Paddy Bradley 6/1
Kieran Donaghy 7/1
Benny Coulter 10/1
Colm Begley 12/1
Leighton Glynn 16/1
Ciaran Lyng 16/1
Pearse O Neill 16/1
Paul Finlay 20/1
Martin Mcgrath 20/1
Australia v Ireland - 1st Test 24 Oct 11:30 - Top Irish Point Scorer - 1st Test
Sean Cavanagh 9/2
Stevie McDonnell 9/2
Benny Coulter 5/1
Paddy Bradley 11/2
Kieran Donaghy 13/2
Michael Meehan 8/1
Colm Begley 14/1
Ciaran Lyng 14/1
Leighton Glynn 20/1
Pearse O Neill 20/1
Paul Finlay 22/1
Martin Mcgrath 22/1
Some specials from boyles... I love these...
Any Player To Be Shown Red Card 6/5
Any Austrailian Player To Be Shown Red Card 2/1
Any Irish Player To Be Shown Red Card 3/1
A Player From Both Teams To Get A Red Card 7/2
Any Manager To Withdraw Their Team From The Pitch 12/1
Either Test Game To Be Abandonded 33/1
its a tough life....
http://www.sportsfile.com/more-images/PS081058/
Benny Coulter 10/1 to be first irish goal scorer, i fancy that.
Why does it look like they are playing soccer?
I better not see lads running with the ball on the ground soccer-style. If this happens, the closest aussie has my blessing if he chooses to upscuttle him.
Jinxy - while you wouldnt want to see it as even a semi prominent component of the series - it is an invaluable skill for keeping the ball alive and in possession at a time when you may not have the time or luxury of getting the ball to hand. A quick flick or pop up to a team mate may be the difference in a turn over or not.
Quote from: western exile on September 29, 2008, 08:45:28 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on September 29, 2008, 06:48:23 PM
Quote from: fred the red on September 29, 2008, 06:32:39 PM
The games are taken place at 6.30pm in perth and 7.45pm in Melbourne....does anyone know what time this will be back home?
I think if you take 9 hours off them times you should be right so thats...10.45am and 9.30am though I am open to correction on that...
I for one am looking forward to this I'll certainly be taking the morning off work to watch them
It is 9 hours before the hour changes, and 11 hours after. So that means 1st game in Perth is 9.30 am Friday morning 24th and 2nd game Melbourne 8.45am Friday morning 31st
Of course, those times forgot to take into account that Perth is 2 hours behind Sydney and Melbourne !!
So should read...
So that means 1st game in Perth is
11.30 am Friday morning 24th and 2nd game Melbourne 8.45am Friday morning 31st
To those based in Australia. What channel (if at all) is the first test of the international rules being shown on?
I have searched and it looks as if it is not going to be shown ???
Quote from: Bod Mor on October 23, 2008, 02:48:37 AM
To those based in Australia. What channel (if at all) is the first test of the international rules being shown on?
I have searched and it looks as if it is not going to be shown ???
Delayed coverage on Channel 7 for NSW is all I can find, assume it's on live in WA and VIC
Quote from: stephenite on October 23, 2008, 03:04:10 AM
Quote from: Bod Mor on October 23, 2008, 02:48:37 AM
To those based in Australia. What channel (if at all) is the first test of the international rules being shown on?
I have searched and it looks as if it is not going to be shown ???
Delayed coverage on Channel 7 for NSW is all I can find, assume it's on live in WA and VIC
Feck it anyway. Cheers
Cavanagh singing a different tune than Mickey Harte on the International Rules series (From BBC)
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Cavanagh rejects Harte Rules jibe
Sean Cavanagh was named Gaelic Footballer of the Year on Friday
Ireland's International Rules captain Sean Cavanagh has strongly rejected Mickey Harte's claim that the hybrid code is little more than a junket.
Cavanagh's Tyrone boss has repeated his distain for the game in the run-up to Friday's opening Test in Perth.
But while Cavanagh has huge respect for Harte, their views on International Rules are poles apart.
"As much as Mickey Harte doesn't love this competition, I love it as do all the guys," Cavanagh told BBC Sport.
"Mickey said in the media that we were just going for a holiday and going for the trip.
"But if you were watching four or five minutes of the training sessions with Mickey McGurn, you would see that they are something special.
"Mickey McGurn is a top-class trainer with his rugby background and all our guys are really going at it hammer and tongs.
"You really get a great sense of pride when you pull on those Ireland tops.
"Everyone (in the squad) from all corners of Ireland is embracing it.
"Really the guys are so close together and we are like a club or county at the minute.
"The craic and the jokes that we can have with one another is very special."
Continuing his passionate defence of the much-maligned series, Cavanagh added:"I'd say deep down, Mickey Harte might be proud to see four Tyrone boys pull on the Irish jersey".
Speaking ahead of Friday's Test opener at the Subiaco Oval, Cavanagh acknowledged that a repeat of the violence which marred the 2006 series in Ireland could be the death-knell for the compromise code.
"Croke Park in 2006 wasn't sport. It was violence," acknowledged the Tyrone man.
"The two teams are under no illusions. If the violence accrues this year like it was in 2005 and 2006, the series is finished."
PJ O'Brien's and The Porter House both claim to be playing it live. They must be streaming.
The AFL had earlier said that 7 were to show both tests live nationwide, that that was part of the rights deal. Obviously someone has reneged in the mean time.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 22, 2008, 09:38:04 PM
I better not see lads running with the ball on the ground soccer-style. If this happens, the closest aussie has my blessing if he chooses to upscuttle him.
This is a very effective tactic for compromise rules. You can't be tackled if you don't have control of the ball. If the ball comes in your direction and an Aussie is right up your hole, taking possession is daft cos you'll get wrapped up straightaway. If you soccer style it and try find some space to pick it up yourself or find a team mate, it is, believe it or not, the sensible thing to do. In the Gah we're conditioned to the old cry of 'Jaysus will you bend your back'. Utilising a few nuances like this can make a huge difference. Kinda looking forward to it now, but not sure what to expect from both teams
Lads can i get the game on Friday morning on line?
Going to answer my own question here...i think this is it
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/mediaplayer.html (http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/mediaplayer.html)
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on October 23, 2008, 05:09:20 AM
PJ O'Brien's and The Porter House both claim to be playing it live. They must be streaming.
You're a legend - being dragged to Surry Hills tomorrow night so will catch it at the Porterhouse
What time is the match on in Australia & on what Australian channel is it being shown tomorrowl? Quick answer as this internet cafe is about to close, thanks.
10:30pm EST
is the game on RTE LIVE?
Does to the match not start at 9.30pm in Sydney? Local time 6.30pm in Perth, 3hrs behind Sydney..
See:
http://www.afl.com.au/Portals/0/afl_docs/2008_AFL_Broadcasting_Docs/2008_International_Rules_Series_TV_Schedule.pdf
Match is live on FOX:
Sydney:
Australia Vs Ireland
21:00 LIVE Fox Sports Plus on
Main Event Channel 518
DELAYED:
23:45
CH 7 Sydney
hope its a good game, took tomorrow morning off so it better be!
Kingdom - what you watching it on?
rte 2 puck! - i live in tralee these days tho i spend about a month a year in the states..
Aww feck off! :D
AUSTRALIA INTERNATIONAL RULES Team (first Test v Ireland):
Goalkeeper: Nathan Bock.
Backs: Michael Firrito, Brad Sewell, Campbell Brown
Half-Backs: Ryan Crowley, Drew Petrie, Adam Selwood.
Midfield: Brent Harvey (capt), Scott Thompson.
Half-Forwards: Scott Pendlebury, Daniel Motlop, David Rodan.
Forwards: Michael Osborne, Shaun Burgoyne, Matt Campbell.
Interchange Players (one to be omitted): Matthew Boyd, Jared Brennan, Nathan Foley, Roger Hayden, Leigh Montagna, Marc Murphy, Max Rooke, Kade Simpson, Dale Thomas, Daniel Wells.
I have been reading alot of AFL Forums to see what they make of the whole thing
They really take this seriously to be honest..
A lot of the anti-soccer fans on the board here won't be too happy as the majority of the forums I have read describe the round ball as a soccer ball :D
The First Test between Australia and Ireland in Perth will be live on RTÉ Two and RTÉ.ie this morning from 11.10am (Island of Ireland only). Alternatively, you can log on and read a matchtracker by Séamus Leonard from 10am.
Ireland coach Sean Boylan has named a strong starting 15 for this morning's first International Rules Test with Australia in Perth.
David Gallagher has been selected in goal and he'll be protected by a defence that includes Aidan O'Mahony, Finian Hanley and John Keane in the full-back line, with Bryan Cullen, Kevin Reilly and Ciaran McKeever the half-backs.
Brisbane Lions' Colm Begley partners Ireland vice-captain Graham Canty at centre-field.
It's an all-Tyrone half-forward line with Enda McGinley and Joe McMahon either side of captain Sean Cavanagh, while the potent-looking full forward division comprises Steven McDonnell, Kieran Donaghy and Benny Coulter.
Ireland's group of ten interchange players does not include Killian Young and late call-ups, Marty McGrath and Paul Finlay.
'We had to leave three guys so and it was a difficult call,' said Boylan, 'and while they can tog out this evening we can't bring them on - but they always have the second test in Melbourne next week.'
Selector Anthony Tohill played down the significance of a starting line-up.
'The rules allow us to use ten inter-changes every quarter so while we have to start with that 15, the team will change dramatically over the course of the game,' the former Derry midfielder said.
'The Aussies have a habit of learning how to use the round ball very quickly so it's essential that we get off to a good start in this morning's match. We'll protect our defence while playing very fast Gaelic football - that's what we have to do to win this match.'
IRELAND INTERNATIONAL RULES Team (first Test v Australia):
David Gallagher; Aidan O'Mahony, Finian Hanley, John Keane; Bryan Cullen, Kevin Reilly, Ciarán McKeever; Graham Canty, Colm Begley; Enda McGinley, Seán Cavanagh, Joe McMahon; Steven McDonnell, Kieran Donaghy, Benny Coulter.
Interchange Players: Paddy Bradley, Leighton Glynn, Aaron Kernan, Ciarán Lyng, Justin McMahon, Michael Meehan, John Miskella, Pearse O'Neill, Tom Parsons.
Thanks DRB answered my previous question!
link for game, for those in states
http://www.myp2p.eu/competition.php?competitionid=&part=sports&discipline=other (http://www.myp2p.eu/competition.php?competitionid=&part=sports&discipline=other)
is it on the radio any where, it doesnt seem to be on RTE 1 or 2
another one
http://www.gaalive.net//news.php (http://www.gaalive.net//news.php)
Watching it here in England on RTE.ie no bother, :D
What are your predictions for the first test - the bookies say Australia ?? What do you'se think ?
Lads any streams, RTE doesn't seem to work in the north?
I find myself not fussed on this game this morning to be honest. if stevie mc and McKeever come through ok it'll do me. a pure wreckin match and this bastardised game abandoned would be a hell of a result imho
No fecking Ireland's call?! Feck this I'm not watching anymore... where's the recognition for the Unionists?
Worst version of the national anthem i have ever heard on tv
Jesus id near have rathered Irelands call than that, "one of the top folk singers about" fukin hell that was shocking!!!!!
Anyone know if its being streamed anywere world wide, ir not rte?
Quote from: marty88 on October 24, 2008, 11:37:13 AM
Anyone know if its being streamed anywere world wide, ir not rte?
See score 1 thread
Thank you, so far so good
This is brutal to watch - how many times have the Australians put the ball out over the sideline.
They simply can't play the game !
They've improved this half... Gallagher has been safe as houses so far hasn't put a foot wrong!
Leighton Glynn -outstanding
Kevin reilly has been sooo poor!
Agree with that Glynn has been excellent. Can anyone tell me what the Aussie keeper was trying to do though?
a bit of a ruck would liven this up
Who is Nathan Glynn ?
Easy easy easy
Everything was goibg well until Parsons gave the ball away - it's been downhill since !
this is shite to watch. what is attractive or entertaining about this game apart from the fighting?
Thoroughly enjoyable quarter there. THe Aussies seem to have gotten their act together. Gallagher made a great save to deny the Aussies a goal and McDonnell got completely wrapped up when it looked like he was straight in for a goal.... I hope we get more of the same for the 2nd half very competitive, some great scores and also very sporting!
They're all too nice for my liking.
Kind of boreing
I watched the last two quarters and didn't enjoy it very much. I don't think I would have cared if Ireland got a hammering.
Quote from: Zapatista on October 24, 2008, 01:25:17 PM
I watched the last two quarters and didn't enjoy it very much. I don't think I would have cared if Ireland got a hammering.
I don't think there'll be too many watching next week - an awful game.
It's time this junket was dispensed with.
Gallagher was a great pick for goals
really enjoyed it, pity they cant be done for jersey pulling, i dont see how that can be deemed to be a tackle. Paddy Bradley was through on goal I think and had his shirt nearly ripped off at the end there. could have been another 6.
I'd expect the aussies to make a better game of it in Melbourne.
BTW- I don't think its a junket, guys like this deserve a holiday... theres an irish soccer team who are shite athletes and they get flown around the world...some of them dont even know what country they play for....not to mention all those hun rugby chaps
The Aussies must hate it as it;s so tame.
It must be similar to China coming to play Gaelic Football with us but because they are wusses we arent allowed any physical tackling
What crap, the sissiness of soccer clearly evident. To think we spend money on promoting this stuff. Roll on next week and get it over with
Quote from: antoinse on October 24, 2008, 01:38:26 PM
What crap, the sissiness of soccer clearly evident. To think we spend money on promoting this stuff. Roll on next week and get it over with
100% AGREED
Quote from: carribbear on October 24, 2008, 01:35:20 PM
Gallagher was a great pick for goals
really enjoyed it, pity they cant be done for jersey pulling, i dont see how that can be deemed to be a tackle. Paddy Bradley was through on goal I think and had his shirt nearly ripped off at the end there. could have been another 6.
I'd expect the aussies to make a better game of it in Melbourne.
BTW- I don't think its a junket, guys like this deserve a holiday... theres an irish soccer team who are shite athletes and they get flown around the world...some of them dont even know what country they play for....not to mention all those hun rugby chaps
Wise up
Quote from: Doogie Browser on October 24, 2008, 01:43:38 PM
Quote from: carribbear on October 24, 2008, 01:35:20 PM
Gallagher was a great pick for goals
really enjoyed it, pity they cant be done for jersey pulling, i dont see how that can be deemed to be a tackle. Paddy Bradley was through on goal I think and had his shirt nearly ripped off at the end there. could have been another 6.
I'd expect the aussies to make a better game of it in Melbourne.
BTW- I don't think its a junket, guys like this deserve a holiday... theres an irish soccer team who are shite athletes and they get flown around the world...some of them dont even know what country they play for....not to mention all those hun rugby chaps
Wise up
It's a junket !!!
Sean Boylan's lads doing the job of MAOR UISCE ( no disrespect to them or any slight on Sean Boylan, I'd do the same myself ) but it's a junket !
How many suits from Croke Park are out there ???
anyone who objectively watched that game could not but be impressed, very fast (almost as quick as hurling) with plenty of scores and leads appearing and disappearing and some great skills on display. must say i loved it and so by the sound of it did the 35k+ that turned out to watch it. thought glynn was super... as for the detractors on here - had ye no work to go to??? cant wait for next week....
Quote from: orangeman on October 24, 2008, 01:50:52 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on October 24, 2008, 01:43:38 PM
Quote from: carribbear on October 24, 2008, 01:35:20 PM
Gallagher was a great pick for goals
really enjoyed it, pity they cant be done for jersey pulling, i dont see how that can be deemed to be a tackle. Paddy Bradley was through on goal I think and had his shirt nearly ripped off at the end there. could have been another 6.
I'd expect the aussies to make a better game of it in Melbourne.
BTW- I don't think its a junket, guys like this deserve a holiday... theres an irish soccer team who are shite athletes and they get flown around the world...some of them dont even know what country they play for....not to mention all those hun rugby chaps
Wise up
It's a junket !!!
Sean Boylan's lads doing the job of MAOR UISCE ( no disrespect to them or any slight on Sean Boylan, I'd do the same myself ) but it's a junket !
How many suits from Croke Park are out there ???
who cares if its a junket, it doesnt cost the gaa anything. you got a problem with gaa players having a bit of craic?
Quote from: magickingdom on October 24, 2008, 01:53:31 PM
anyone who objectively watched that game could not but be impressed, very fast (almost as quick as hurling) with plenty of scores and leads appearing and disappearing and some great skills on display. must say i loved it and so by the sound of it did the 35k+ that turned out to watch it. thought glynn was super... as for the detractors on here - had ye no work to go to??? cant wait for next week....
Credit crunch ! ;) ;)
Quote from: magickingdom on October 24, 2008, 01:55:23 PM
Quote from: orangeman on October 24, 2008, 01:50:52 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on October 24, 2008, 01:43:38 PM
Quote from: carribbear on October 24, 2008, 01:35:20 PM
Gallagher was a great pick for goals
really enjoyed it, pity they cant be done for jersey pulling, i dont see how that can be deemed to be a tackle. Paddy Bradley was through on goal I think and had his shirt nearly ripped off at the end there. could have been another 6.
I'd expect the aussies to make a better game of it in Melbourne.
BTW- I don't think its a junket, guys like this deserve a holiday... theres an irish soccer team who are shite athletes and they get flown around the world...some of them dont even know what country they play for....not to mention all those hun rugby chaps
Wise up
It's a junket !!!
Sean Boylan's lads doing the job of MAOR UISCE ( no disrespect to them or any slight on Sean Boylan, I'd do the same myself ) but it's a junket !
How many suits from Croke Park are out there ???
who cares if its a junket, it doesnt cost the gaa anything. you got a problem with gaa players having a bit of craic?
2 points you raised there.
So it's a bit if craic then ?
Secondly, did they fly out there for nothing ? The flights, hotels, suits etc are all free ?? Great - can I go next time for free ???
I'm with Mr. Harte on this one. ;)
Quote from: magickingdom on October 24, 2008, 01:53:31 PM
anyone who objectively watched that game could not but be impressed, very fast (almost as quick as hurling) with plenty of scores and leads appearing and disappearing and some great skills on display. must say i loved it and so by the sound of it did the 35k+ that turned out to watch it. thought glynn was super... as for the detractors on here - had ye no work to go to??? cant wait for next week....
Are you serious? You're easily enough entertained!
Quote from: antoinse on October 24, 2008, 01:38:26 PM
What crap, the sissiness of soccer clearly evident. To think we spend money on promoting this stuff. Roll on next week and get it over with
more pointless shite, do you think the 35k who paid in there today are going to make a donation to the railway cup instead if we cancel it. you do realise ir actually makes a profit and costs the gaa nothing.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 24, 2008, 01:59:10 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on October 24, 2008, 01:53:31 PM
anyone who objectively watched that game could not but be impressed, very fast (almost as quick as hurling) with plenty of scores and leads appearing and disappearing and some great skills on display. must say i loved it and so by the sound of it did the 35k+ that turned out to watch it. thought glynn was super... as for the detractors on here - had ye no work to go to??? cant wait for next week....
Are you serious? You're easily enough entertained!
You didnt watch it, never mind objectively watch it!
How does it cost the GAA nothing to stage this event ? I'm curious ?
Do the Australians pay for it ???
When the Aussies come to Ireland, do we pay for their trip or what ?
Quote from: orangeman on October 24, 2008, 02:03:09 PM
How does it cost the GAA nothing to stage this event ? I'm curious ?
Do the Australians pay for it ???
When the Aussies come to Ireland, do we pay for their trip or what ?
its paid for by
1) the 100,000 or so that go to the games
2) sponsorship - coca cola in ireland and toyota in oz
if the ir games were not on this money would not accrue. the games are self financing
Quote from: magickingdom on October 24, 2008, 02:08:52 PM
Quote from: orangeman on October 24, 2008, 02:03:09 PM
How does it cost the GAA nothing to stage this event ? I'm curious ?
Do the Australians pay for it ???
When the Aussies come to Ireland, do we pay for their trip or what ?
its paid for by
1) the 100,000 or so that go to the games
2) sponsorship - coca cola in ireland and toyota in oz
if the ir games were not on this money would not accrue. the games are self financing
Thanks for that - have you ever been to Australia to watch these games - how much is it in ?
Was 35k a good crowd or a bad crowd ?
How much do Coca Cola / Toyota put in ?
How much does the trip cost to finance ?
Quote from: AFS on October 24, 2008, 02:13:07 PM
Listen lads, if yous don't enjoy it don't f**king watch it!!! There's no one with a gun to your head forcing you to watch so stop whinging about it.
There are plenty of people out there, including myself, that think its grand, especially when its played like it was today without any of the over aggressive macho shite. Due to the nature of the game its never going to be as fluent or as easy on the eye as Gaelic football or Aussie Rules, but all things considered watching it is still a decent enough way to spend a couple of hours.
There's not much footie on at the minute, and you can't beat a good auld whinge about something.
Next weeks game should be abandoned and replaced with a good game of Cricket instead. ;)
I'd agree, those playing it enjoy it, & those that want to watch it will.
The 2nd test is always a bit more livlier. I'd expect the Aussies to win now though, they'll have benfited from an extre week's kick a bout with the round ball.
Cavanagh's 2nd goal was glorious!
Quote from: screenexile on October 24, 2008, 12:21:19 PM
Thoroughly enjoyable quarter there. THe Aussies seem to have gotten their act together. Gallagher made a great save to deny the Aussies a goal and McDonnell got completely wrapped up when it looked like he was straight in for a goal.... I hope we get more of the same for the 2nd half very competitive, some great scores and also very sporting!
I went to the game - all good fun. The slippery conditions and wind helped the Irish lads - the Aussies couldn't judge the flight of the ball through the air. The Irish goalkeeper had an outstanding night.
Quote from: orangeman on October 24, 2008, 02:12:18 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on October 24, 2008, 02:08:52 PM
Quote from: orangeman on October 24, 2008, 02:03:09 PM
How does it cost the GAA nothing to stage this event ? I'm curious ?
Do the Australians pay for it ???
When the Aussies come to Ireland, do we pay for their trip or what ?
its paid for by
1) the 100,000 or so that go to the games
2) sponsorship - coca cola in ireland and toyota in oz
if the ir games were not on this money would not accrue. the games are self financing
Thanks for that - have you ever been to Australia to watch these games - how much is it in ?
Was 35k a good crowd or a bad crowd ?
How much do Coca Cola / Toyota put in ?
How much does the trip cost to finance ?
It is cost neutral - players and officials involved are financed through sponsorship and gate receipts.
County board officials from particular counties get invited as guests of businesses.
Journalists costs paid for by their newspaper/broadcaster, or in some cases a sponsor who gets tagged at the top of their column..
Quote from: AFS on October 24, 2008, 02:13:07 PM
Listen lads, if yous don't enjoy it don't f**king watch it!!! There's no one with a gun to your head forcing you to watch so stop whinging about it.
There are plenty of people out there, including myself, that think its grand, especially when its played like it was today without any of the over aggressive macho shite. Due to the nature of the game its never going to be as fluent or as easy on the eye as Gaelic football or Aussie Rules, but all things considered watching it is still a decent enough way to spend a couple of hours.
It's a load of crap compared to our own games. If we want to slate the GAA for continuing with this crap then we will. The criticism is not only about how crap the sport is but all the crap that comes with it. Load of crap.
Quote from: orangeman on October 24, 2008, 02:12:18 PM
Thanks for that - have you ever been to Australia to watch these games - how much is it in ?
Was 35k a good crowd or a bad crowd ?
How much do Coca Cola / Toyota put in ?
How much does the trip cost to finance ?
never been to oz orangeman but i got drunk with a fair few austrialians! to be fair most of them are like the irish about it a fair few detractors but alot seem to like it. i would think 35k is a good crowd just about anywhere. as for the finances the gaa are on record as saying the ir are self financing and one only has to look at the crowds to see thats obivious..
Quote from: orangeman on October 24, 2008, 02:12:18 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on October 24, 2008, 02:08:52 PM
Quote from: orangeman on October 24, 2008, 02:03:09 PM
How does it cost the GAA nothing to stage this event ? I'm curious ?
Do the Australians pay for it ???
When the Aussies come to Ireland, do we pay for their trip or what ?
its paid for by
1) the 100,000 or so that go to the games
2) sponsorship - coca cola in ireland and toyota in oz
if the ir games were not on this money would not accrue. the games are self financing
Thanks for that - have you ever been to Australia to watch these games - how much is it in ?
Was 35k a good crowd or a bad crowd ?
How much do Coca Cola / Toyota put in ?
How much does the trip cost to finance ?
Tickets were $33-$45AUD.
The ground holds 42,000.
Quote from: Zapatista on October 24, 2008, 02:19:56 PM
Quote from: AFS on October 24, 2008, 02:13:07 PM
Listen lads, if yous don't enjoy it don't f**king watch it!!! There's no one with a gun to your head forcing you to watch so stop whinging about it.
There are plenty of people out there, including myself, that think its grand, especially when its played like it was today without any of the over aggressive macho shite. Due to the nature of the game its never going to be as fluent or as easy on the eye as Gaelic football or Aussie Rules, but all things considered watching it is still a decent enough way to spend a couple of hours.
It's a load of crap compared to our own games. If we want to slate the GAA for continuing with this crap then we will. The criticism is not only about how crap the sport is but all the crap that comes with it. Load of crap.
well dont f**king watch it ye whinging biscuit...we got what you thought about it about 3 posts ago
i enjoyed it, love watching a team representing the country, esp our county footballers. Cavanagh's goal, Gallaghers save, Donaghy and Benny's marks, superb.. few big hits.. roll on next week
PQ
Quote from: AFS on October 24, 2008, 02:13:07 PM
Listen lads, if yous don't enjoy it don't f**king watch it!!! There's no one with a gun to your head forcing you to watch so stop whinging about it.
There are plenty of people out there, including myself, that think its grand, especially when its played like it was today without any of the over aggressive macho shite. Due to the nature of the game its never going to be as fluent or as easy on the eye as Gaelic football or Aussie Rules, but all things considered watching it is still a decent enough way to spend a couple of hours.
Agreed. Some folks aren't happy unless they are complaining. The IR game is only ever going to be a novelty.
When the game is played in the right spirit and refereed correctly it's an enjoyable game to watch, not in the same league as our own though. As has been mentioned Leighton Glynn was outstanding, if that attempt had gone over where he was running in the wrong direction it would have been the score of the game. Thought our own John Keane had an excellent game and was harshly judged for that penalty. Paddy Bradley should have been awarded one but in the main I thought the refereeing was excellent and it's something we should try to bring to our own games. When referee's talk to the players and explain to them where the foul was there's not half as much chat back. Overall an enjoyable game but the series will only have a future if next week's game has the same absence of violence. Brown should be suspended for that one after his shocking "tackle" on Hanley...
Quote from: peterquaife on October 24, 2008, 02:30:55 PM
Quote from: Zapatista on October 24, 2008, 02:19:56 PM
Quote from: AFS on October 24, 2008, 02:13:07 PM
Listen lads, if yous don't enjoy it don't f**king watch it!!! There's no one with a gun to your head forcing you to watch so stop whinging about it.
There are plenty of people out there, including myself, that think its grand, especially when its played like it was today without any of the over aggressive macho shite. Due to the nature of the game its never going to be as fluent or as easy on the eye as Gaelic football or Aussie Rules, but all things considered watching it is still a decent enough way to spend a couple of hours.
It's a load of crap compared to our own games. If we want to slate the GAA for continuing with this crap then we will. The criticism is not only about how crap the sport is but all the crap that comes with it. Load of crap.
well dont f**king watch it ye whinging biscuit...we got what you thought about it about 3 posts ago
i enjoyed it, love watching a team representing the country, esp our county footballers. Cavanagh's goal, Gallaghers save, Donaghy and Benny's marks, superb.. few big hits.. roll on next week
PQ
Don't read my posts if ye don't like them.
Ye can represent your country by training u14s on a wet saturday morning ye don't need to be pulling on a green jersey and flying around the world.
Enjoyed that well enough. You could tell that the ozzies were well toning it down on the phyisical stakes this time. I reckon there could be a step up in the second test tho.
Have to agree I don't have a problem with this at all. If it's not costing the GAA nothing, the players are happy to play and it's played in the right frame of mind then I can't see the problem.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 24, 2008, 02:33:27 PM
When the game is played in the right spirit and refereed correctly it's an enjoyable game to watch, not in the same league as our own though. As has been mentioned Leighton Glynn was outstanding, if that attempt had gone over where he was running in the wrong direction it would have been the score of the game. Thought our own John Keane had an excellent game and was harshly judged for that penalty. Paddy Bradley should have been awarded one but in the main I thought the refereeing was excellent and it's something we should try to bring to our own games. When referee's talk to the players and explain to them where the foul was there's not half as much chat back. Overall an enjoyable game but the series will only have a future if next week's game has the same absence of violence. Brown should be suspended for that one after his shocking "tackle" on Hanley...
Brown is an idiot. He is always getting rubbed out in the AFL for moronic acts. I can't believe he was picked especially with violence being an issue.
I enjoyed the tackle on hanley... could do with a bit more of that!
Zaptista, should you not start a thready every day there is a cricket match on if you don't like it etc, etc? If you don't like it, don't watch it.
Quote from: heffo on October 24, 2008, 02:18:02 PM
Quote from: orangeman on October 24, 2008, 02:12:18 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on October 24, 2008, 02:08:52 PM
Quote from: orangeman on October 24, 2008, 02:03:09 PM
How does it cost the GAA nothing to stage this event ? I'm curious ?
Do the Australians pay for it ???
When the Aussies come to Ireland, do we pay for their trip or what ?
its paid for by
1) the 100,000 or so that go to the games
2) sponsorship - coca cola in ireland and toyota in oz
if the ir games were not on this money would not accrue. the games are self financing
Thanks for that - have you ever been to Australia to watch these games - how much is it in ?
Was 35k a good crowd or a bad crowd ?
How much do Coca Cola / Toyota put in ?
How much does the trip cost to finance ?
It is cost neutral - players and officials involved are financed through sponsorship and gate receipts.
County board officials from particular counties get invited as guests of businesses.
Journalists costs paid for by their newspaper/broadcaster, or in some cases a sponsor who gets tagged at the top of their column..
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So it's a freebie then !!!!!!!!!!!
Great game to watch - great spectacle - can;t wait for next week ! ;)
Spot on AFS. Did you watch the game Orangeman?
Anyone who gave that game a chance couldn't fail to have enjoyed it. Lot of crap talked on here and the score thread during the game by people clearly not interested in it, talking about how crap Ciaran McKeever was while the Aussie commentators thought he was one of the stars and went through more ball than anyone. It is a worthwhile exercise and a good reward for our greatest players. Coulter's mark at the start, Cavanagh's goal and Gallagher's save were all outstanding. Glynn was superb and this game has probably secured the long term future of the game, played in the right way and the GAA could learn a hell of a lot from this in terms of officiating.
Decided to give the game a chance today. Was pleasantly surprised, as all the rough stuff has been removed. Sure there was a little, but on par, it was within the correct spirit of the game.
Some good skill on show today, but was disappointed with some of the Irish overs. This is where we should be excelling him. Prehaps Compromise Rules is a faster game, so we don't have the luxury to think as much as we do in our own game.
I feared that Australia were going to up the pressure on us in the 3rd Quarter, but a fantastic goal by Canavagh and a sneaky one from McDonnell kept us well in.
Hopefully next Friday's will be more of the same.
Can't believe there's some complainers here, looking for the fighting back. Can't win with some. ::)
I thought that by the standards of some of the recent games it was quite a good encounter especially the last two quarters. The fact that there was only a one point difference in the end should stoke some interest for the second test. That said it's usually the second test when we see the biff so it'll be interesting to see who gets poleaxed first next week.
Quote from: ExiledGael on October 24, 2008, 02:45:44 PM
Spot on AFS. Did you watch the game Orangeman?
Anyone who gave that game a chance couldn't fail to have enjoyed it. Lot of crap talked on here and the score thread during the game by people clearly not interested in it, talking about how crap Ciaran McKeever was while the Aussie commentators thought he was one of the stars and went through more ball than anyone. It is a worthwhile exercise and a good reward for our greatest players. Coulter's mark at the start, Cavanagh's goal and Gallagher's save were all outstanding. Glynn was superb and this game has probably secured the long term future of the game, played in the right way and the GAA could learn a hell of a lot from this in terms of officiating.
Greatest ????
You're having a laugh - most of the greatest players didn't even go to the trials and since when can you include a goalkeeper who hasn't played for years as one of the greats ( no disrespect to the goalie who had a great game ).
Quote from: orangeman on October 24, 2008, 02:57:42 PM
Quote from: ExiledGael on October 24, 2008, 02:45:44 PM
Spot on AFS. Did you watch the game Orangeman?
Anyone who gave that game a chance couldn't fail to have enjoyed it. Lot of crap talked on here and the score thread during the game by people clearly not interested in it, talking about how crap Ciaran McKeever was while the Aussie commentators thought he was one of the stars and went through more ball than anyone. It is a worthwhile exercise and a good reward for our greatest players. Coulter's mark at the start, Cavanagh's goal and Gallagher's save were all outstanding. Glynn was superb and this game has probably secured the long term future of the game, played in the right way and the GAA could learn a hell of a lot from this in terms of officiating.
Greatest ????
You're having a laugh - most of the greatest players didn't even go to the trials and since when can you include a goalkeeper who hasn't played for years as one of the greats ( no disrespect to the goalie who had a great game ).
Most of our top players who could be there were there. Who are the top players in the game right now? Cavanagh? Donaghy? O'Mahony? Gooch/Dooher maybe but they're too fragile for this. Most of them were there.
You've called for the games to be scrapped OM after today, why?
Quote from: AFS on October 24, 2008, 02:41:28 PM
Whinge Whinge Whinge! What you whingers don't realise is that you don't speak for everyone in the GAA.
You are the one trying to shut me up AFS. You seem to think my opinion doesn't count and that I should just ignore it so ye can all agree in peace. I do realise that I don't speak for the the GAA but you must realise I do speak as a GAA man.
Corn, when the GAA start promoting and organising cricket matches you can be sure I will start a thread.
Is the Railway cup being televised live on RTE television tomorrow ?
I'd love to watch some great players in action in this ?
Does anybody know what time it's on at ?
As we have a league game tomorrow, I can't attend, otherwise, I'd loved to have driven down to Cork.
Zaptista, it is not a GAA match. It is a hybrid game that is a different sport to Aussie Rules and Galeic Football. I doubt you find rounder very enjoyable, but it is promoted by the GAA, why not go on about that?
zapa, there will never be a meaningful international outlet for gaelic football.. ever. same with afl. what this game does is give gaa players the opportunity to represent their country just like the guys that play most other sports. surely you can live with that?
Quote from: orangeman on October 24, 2008, 03:16:34 PM
Is the Railway cup being televised live on RTE television tomorrow ?
I'd love to watch some great players in action in this ?
Does anybody know what time it's on at ?
As we have a league game tomorrow, I can't attend, otherwise, I'd loved to have driven down to Cork.
get on to whoever arranged that league game ;)
Quote from: orangeman on October 24, 2008, 03:16:34 PM
Is the Railway cup being televised live on RTE television tomorrow ?
I'd love to watch some great players in action in this ?
Does anybody know what time it's on at ?
As we have a league game tomorrow, I can't attend, otherwise, I'd loved to have driven down to Cork.
Did you go to Croke Park for the finals last year?
Quote from: ExiledGael on October 24, 2008, 03:21:02 PM
Quote from: orangeman on October 24, 2008, 03:16:34 PM
Is the Railway cup being televised live on RTE television tomorrow ?
I'd love to watch some great players in action in this ?
Does anybody know what time it's on at ?
As we have a league game tomorrow, I can't attend, otherwise, I'd loved to have driven down to Cork.
Did you go to Croke Park for the finals last year?
Did indeed - very enjoyable experience under the lights !
Quote from: magickingdom on October 24, 2008, 03:18:55 PM
zapa, there will never be a meaningful international outlet for gaelic football.. ever. same with afl. what this game does is give gaa players the opportunity to represent their country just like the guys that play most other sports. surely you can live with that?
Thats keeping up appearences I don't care much for. Like I said before you don't need a green jersey on your back to represent Ireland. A fermanagh club player training in a Wicklow jersey is as good a representation of your country you can get.
Quote from: magickingdom on October 24, 2008, 03:20:33 PM
Quote from: orangeman on October 24, 2008, 03:16:34 PM
Is the Railway cup being televised live on RTE television tomorrow ?
I'd love to watch some great players in action in this ?
Does anybody know what time it's on at ?
As we have a league game tomorrow, I can't attend, otherwise, I'd loved to have driven down to Cork.
We did - no luck ! ;)
get on to whoever arranged that league game ;)
Quote from: magickingdom on October 24, 2008, 03:18:55 PM
zapa, there will never be a meaningful international outlet for gaelic football.. ever.
That,
mk, is something that we will
never know without actually giving it a genuine and wholehearted effort. We have the global diaspora, and we now have many nationalities besides ourselves playing Gaelic Games, principally football. And sometimes there are Gaelic Games that don't even involve a single Irish player.
Yet, we do nothing to factor those elements in to, or to promote, the internationalisation of our games. Nothing, nada, zilch. No imagination, no effort, no thought, no chance. Instead we demote our Inter-Provincials, with the cream of players, as far down the register as they can go and elevate this mongrel of a game than can never go anywhere else to a position of untouchable pre-eminence. Shameful.
Quote from: corn02 on October 24, 2008, 03:17:55 PM
Zaptista, it is not a GAA match. It is a hybrid game that is a different sport to Aussie Rules and Galeic Football. I doubt you find rounder very enjoyable, but it is promoted by the GAA, why not go on about that?
Thats part of my point.
If rounders ever becomes a threat to, or takes away from our other games with the weak excuses which are used to justify this crap I will start a thread on it too.
Quote from: Zapatista on October 24, 2008, 03:52:34 PM
Quote from: corn02 on October 24, 2008, 03:17:55 PM
Zaptista, it is not a GAA match. It is a hybrid game that is a different sport to Aussie Rules and Galeic Football. I doubt you find rounder very enjoyable, but it is promoted by the GAA, why not go on about that?
Thats part of my point.
If rounders ever becomes a threat to, or takes away from our other games with the weak excuses which are used to justify this crap I will start a thread on it too.
What are you scared of?
the biggest thing these games have to teach us is our players are not as sharp or as fit as they should be. the number of times an irish player was caught in possesion was shocking. dispite higher skill level most are not able to operate at the spped necessary for a game with a genuine tackle. Im thinking abut Canty reilly bradley and even though he had a great game S macdonell who did his best work with the ball out of hand.
Kavanagh and the tyrone boys seemed to love it and I thought it was interesting that it was mackeever whio was instigating the professional killing of the game towards the end , you never expect such cynicism out of an armagh lad :'(
QuoteAnd sometimes there are Gaelic Games that don't even involve a single Irish player.
Well they have been promoting the GAA in America since the "Great Invasion" of 1887, yet New York cannot field a team without filling it with illegal immigrants.
Wasted time and energy and missing opertunities to improve the GAA.
Quote from: rosnarun on October 24, 2008, 03:55:49 PM
the biggest thing these games have to teach us is our players are not as sharp or as fit as they should be.
They seemed to be fine in the Championship which is the show where we see the level of how fit and sharp they should be. I think they're fine.
Started slowly and was missing the 'biff' but as the game progressed I started to enjoy it. The players seemed to too going by the smiles on Cavanagh and Donaghy during their interviews.
The wing mirrors were evident early on among the Irish players but they started to forget about it as the game wore on. Must be hard for the Irish to naturally release the ball so quickly.
I'd imagine Aussie pride will get the better of them next test and we'll see a few dust-ups.
Quote from: magickingdom on October 24, 2008, 03:18:55 PM
zapa, there will never be a meaningful international outlet for gaelic football.. ever. same with afl. what this game does is give gaa players the opportunity to represent their country just like the guys that play most other sports. surely you can live with that?
Here, I'll go round up a few lads from the clubs in Coventry, Birmingham, Liverpool, Manchester and London and we'll field a team representing England. And sure we could do the same on the continent, in Australia and good ol' USA. We could have a mini World Cup,
although in the interests of fairness perhaps an Irish team would have to be excluded. :-\
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 24, 2008, 03:42:46 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on October 24, 2008, 03:18:55 PM
zapa, there will never be a meaningful international outlet for gaelic football.. ever.
That, mk, is something that we will never know without actually giving it a genuine and wholehearted effort. We have the global diaspora, and we now have many nationalities besides ourselves playing Gaelic Games, principally football. And sometimes there are Gaelic Games that don't even involve a single Irish player.
Yet, we do nothing to factor those elements in to, or to promote, the internationalisation of our games. Nothing, nada, zilch. No imagination, no effort, no thought, no chance. Instead we demote our Inter-Provincials, with the cream of players, as far down the register as they can go and elevate this mongrel of a game than can never go anywhere else to a position of untouchable pre-eminence. Shameful.
Nonsense, we do a huge amount to promote Gaelic Games internationally but if we want to make the GAA an international sport like rugby or soccer we would need to put massive amounts of money into promotion (money we don't have) and we would need to turn professional which would cause a panic overload on this board if past threads are anything to go by. The inter provincials aren't dying because of the IR, it is dying because no matter what the GAA have tried nobody is too bothered about it. Like other posters I love to know what the hell is the problem with IR? If I was an inter county player I'd love the opportunity of playing against the Aussies in Australia and even if this is only a free trip to Australia for the best players in the country (which I don't believe it is) then that is reason enough to keep it in my book.
Quote from: Zapatista on October 24, 2008, 03:52:34 PM
Quote from: corn02 on October 24, 2008, 03:17:55 PM
Zaptista, it is not a GAA match. It is a hybrid game that is a different sport to Aussie Rules and Galeic Football. I doubt you find rounder very enjoyable, but it is promoted by the GAA, why not go on about that?
Thats part of my point.
If rounders ever becomes a threat to, or takes away from our other games with the weak excuses which are used to justify this crap I will start a thread on it too.
Fair enough. I diagree but I respect where you are coming from. I find this game not a threat but a way of keeping good relationships, which, in the long run, could help our game.
The biggest lesson I think we can take from these type series is not that we must get more physical or more fit than the Aussies, they are full time pros. There is a limit a team can reach in an amateur scenario which is less than a pro.
The lesson I see is that we are enhancing the physical side of our games, the mental and physical preparation necessary to operate at a high level fitness and focus wise, but we are neglecting the skills of the games.
In our own games last year, we saw any amount of very very bad foot passing, and kicking for scores. I think what this series emphasises is that we have really gone back in that area, apart from a few honourable exceptions.
This is repeated over and over in every inter county game you watch, again, with some notable exceptions like Kerry Galway last year. But there are many 'forwards' playing inter county football who simply cannot be expected to score more than 70% of their chances within 30-40 yards. The Aussies are as good as ourselves at kicking scores, and were last time around as well.
I would love to see the happy balance where our players would be very fit, but not super fit (in an amateur context), but would be able to master the skills. I think what this series reinforces is that our physical levels will never reach the Aussies, but what we have sacrificed skills wise in the modern era is quite stark.
Quote from: ONeill on October 24, 2008, 04:00:35 PM
Started slowly and was missing the 'biff' but as the game progressed I started to enjoy it. The players seemed to too going by the smiles on Cavanagh and Donaghy during their interviews.
The wing mirrors were evident early on among the Irish players but they started to forget about it as the game wore on. Must be hard for the Irish to naturally release the ball so quickly.
I'd imagine Aussie pride will get the better of them next test and we'll see a few dust-ups.
Agreed, the biff will be back next week.
I watched this at work online and I have to say I enjoyed it. I thought after the last series that this game was dead but todays game was well contested and enjoyable to watch. My own personal opinion in respect of the last series held in Ireland was that the refereeing was disgraceful. If they had started handing out regards to beat the band in the first five minutes things would have calmed down. That said, the rule was needed that where a player is sent off he cannot be replaced.
I think the best way to approach this game is to forget that its a compromise between two different sports and just take at face value i.e. if you enjoy what you're watching just accept that. No one is asking you to drop your allegiance to Gaelic Games. Most of us would rather watch a game of hurling or football any day but I dont see the harm in this game at all and I can honestly say I enjoyed it today. My only issue was the level of violence that was employed the last day in Croker - as McGeeney said afterwards, if they wanted a row we could have sent out 25 fellas who'd be well able for it for the skelpings.
Any arguments about costs are hollow as far as I can see as is any notion that as a result of these series our young players are more susceptible to be signed by the aussies.
Quote from: Zulu on October 24, 2008, 04:02:44 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 24, 2008, 03:42:46 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on October 24, 2008, 03:18:55 PM
zapa, there will never be a meaningful international outlet for gaelic football.. ever.
That, mk, is something that we will never know without actually giving it a genuine and wholehearted effort. We have the global diaspora, and we now have many nationalities besides ourselves playing Gaelic Games, principally football. And sometimes there are Gaelic Games that don't even involve a single Irish player.
Yet, we do nothing to factor those elements in to, or to promote, the internationalisation of our games. Nothing, nada, zilch. No imagination, no effort, no thought, no chance. Instead we demote our Inter-Provincials, with the cream of players, as far down the register as they can go and elevate this mongrel of a game than can never go anywhere else to a position of untouchable pre-eminence. Shameful.
Nonsense, we do a huge amount to promote Gaelic Games internationally but if we want to make the GAA an international sport like rugby or soccer we would need to put massive amounts of money into promotion (money we don't have) and we would need to turn professional which would cause a panic overload on this board if past threads are anything to go by. The inter provincials aren't dying because of the IR, it is dying because no matter what the GAA have tried nobody is too bothered about it. Like other posters I love to know what the hell is the problem with IR? If I was an inter county player I'd love the opportunity of playing against the Aussies in Australia and even if this is only a free trip to Australia for the best players in the country (which I don't believe it is) then that is reason enough to keep it in my book.
English comprehension problem eh? ;)... "promoting games internationally" is
not the same as the "internationalisation" of Gaelic Games. And I certainly don't buy your assertion that professionalism would be an inescapable component of any move towards internationalisation. That sounds like defeatist to me.
Neither am I saying that the Inter-Provincials are dying because of the International Rules. What I'm am saying is that it's an awful pity that not even a fraction of the effort that goes into pushing and promoting the IR goes into the Inter-Pros. Quite the contrary, the GAA are doing their level best to consign the Inter-Pros to history, which is completely wrong and completely contrary to the ethos of the organisation.
The IR may be fine as far as it goes. The problem is that that's not very far.
Quote from: ONeill on October 24, 2008, 04:00:35 PM
Started slowly and was missing the 'biff' but as the game progressed I started to enjoy it. The players seemed to too going by the smiles on Cavanagh and Donaghy during their interviews.
The wing mirrors were evident early on among the Irish players but they started to forget about it as the game wore on. Must be hard for the Irish to naturally release the ball so quickly.
I'd imagine Aussie pride will get the better of them next test and we'll see a few dust-ups.
Weren't you in class teaching? How'd you manage to see it?
Quote from: rosnarun on October 24, 2008, 03:55:49 PM
the biggest thing these games have to teach us is our players are not as sharp or as fit as they should be. the number of times an irish player was caught in possesion was shocking. dispite higher skill level most are not able to operate at the spped necessary for a game with a genuine tackle. Im thinking abut Canty reilly bradley and even though he had a great game S macdonell who did his best work with the ball out of hand.
Kavanagh and the tyrone boys seemed to love it and I thought it was interesting that it was mackeever whio was instigating the professional killing of the game towards the end , you never expect such cynicism out of an armagh lad :'(
Speed has nothing to do with it. Lads can't switch off 20 odd years of training just like that. Training which says draw the tackle and then offload, or sidestep the man, or don't dive in or you'll give away a free etc. Lads can't tackle properly, so what. It'll be over in a week and we'll think no more on it for another year. Or preferably we'll think no more on it full stop.
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 24, 2008, 04:04:54 PM
The biggest lesson I think we can take from these type series is not that we must get more physical or more fit than the Aussies, they are full time pros. There is a limit a team can reach in an amateur scenario which is less than a pro.
The lesson I see is that we are enhancing the physical side of our games, the mental and physical preparation necessary to operate at a high level fitness and focus wise, but we are neglecting the skills of the games.
In our own games last year, we saw any amount of very very bad foot passing, and kicking for scores. I think what this series emphasises is that we have really gone back in that area, apart from a few honourable exceptions.
This is repeated over and over in every inter county game you watch, again, with some notable exceptions like Kerry Galway last year. But there are many 'forwards' playing inter county football who simply cannot be expected to score more than 70% of their chances within 30-40 yards. The Aussies are as good as ourselves at kicking scores, and were last time around as well.
I would love to see the happy balance where our players would be very fit, but not super fit (in an amateur context), but would be able to master the skills. I think what this series reinforces is that our physical levels will never reach the Aussies, but what we have sacrificed skills wise in the modern era is quite stark.
Couldn't agree more AZ, this is what I posted immediately after the game on the 'Score 1' thread..."the compromise rules game again highlighted the poor footwork, movement, thinking and worst of all shooting of our lads". I should have included foot passing and control of the ball, I also pointed this out after the last series but many on here disagreed, believing that our poor technique was a consequence of the Aussies overly physical approach, it is not. The reality is this game punishes poor technique, slow play and poor support running more than our own game. As a coach I'm fascinated by the way we play IR as opposed to the Aussies and I really believe that IR is underlining the fact that we have only scratched at the surface of what teams are capable of in football. The fact of the matter as far as I'm concerned is we don't play football particularly well and this is being shown up in the IR series.
It high lights nothing. It is a different game against players from a different game. You can't compare a sprinter with a cyclist and say that it shows the cyclist needs to improve on is breathing or that the sprinter needs to improve on stamina. You compare sprinters with sprinters and cyclists with cyclists.
QuoteThe fact of the matter as far as I'm concerned is we don't play football particularly well and this is being shown up in the IR series.
That's it in a nutshell.
Zapatista,
I think it does highlight our poor kicking and the skills of Gaelic Football. I don't particularly like the game at all really, although this one seems to have been a bit more sane, but I definitely think it highlights the same things that we see every championship game in Gaelic Football.
Quite a few of our inter county footballers, are simply not very skillful - at football.
QuoteEnglish comprehension problem eh? ... "promoting games internationally" is not the same as the "internationalisation" of Gaelic Games. And I certainly don't buy your assertion that professionalism would be an inescapable component of any move towards internationalisation. That sounds like defeatist to me.
Sorry now FoSB but that sounds delusional to me. There can only be a French, German or Japanese football team if there are people playing the game in those countries. We have GAA in the school system in Brittany, Canada and Britian so in time we might see teams that could play Ireland in an international football fixture but it is a long way away and would require funding that we don't have. As for doing this while remaining amateur, well I just don't see how that is possible, the GAA is embedded into Irish society with massive opportunities for us all to play important games (club, school, college, county) but I don't ever see us convincing many other nationalities to put in the same level of preparation our lads do to have truely competitive teams without financial reward.
Exactly. We don't need this to tell us Fermanagh can't shoot. We have lots of examples of how they can't shoot. It is different though having a player that can't shoot as a big aussie is about to blind side him rahter than a player that is about to have his kick blocked. If they are not doing it in football there is a problem you can easily point out, if they are not doing it in IR then it tells us very little about what is right or wrong in their football game.
Quote from: ziggysego on October 24, 2008, 04:12:55 PM
Weren't you in class teaching? How'd you manage to see it?
Ways and means. Any lad who lifts his head gets the strap.
Quote from: Zapatista on October 24, 2008, 04:31:37 PM
Exactly. We don't need this to tell us Fermanagh can't shoot. We have lots of examples of how they can't shoot. It is different though having a player that can't shoot as a big aussie is about to blind side him rahter than a player that is about to have his kick blocked. If they are not doing it in football there is a problem you can easily point out, if they are not doing it in IR then it tells us very little about what is right or wrong in their football game.
I'd agree with you to a certain extent. All I'm saying is it is highlighting what we already knew. They are not doing it in football, nor are they doing it in IR. It's the same problem.
Quote from: Zapatista on October 24, 2008, 04:22:09 PM
It high lights nothing. It is a different game against players from a different game. You can't compare a sprinter with a cyclist and say that it shows the cyclist needs to improve on is breathing or that the sprinter needs to improve on stamina. You compare sprinters with sprinters and cyclists with cyclists.
That's the same head in the sand type of comment fellas came up with the last time. I'll give you an example of our woeful technique, Bryan Cullen took a mark and attempted to kick a cross field ball (approx. 15 meters) to Kieran Donaghy. He shanked it and Donaghy had to turn around and dive to gather the ball for the mark, now remember this guy is the primary foot passer for Dublin, yet he made a hash of an unpressurised kick to a teammate less than 20 meters away. He was far from the only culprit, in fact this was repeated all through the game by various Irish players or what about Coulters missed free kick in the first 2 or 3 minutes?
Quote from: Zulu on October 24, 2008, 04:29:29 PM
QuoteEnglish comprehension problem eh? ... "promoting games internationally" is not the same as the "internationalisation" of Gaelic Games. And I certainly don't buy your assertion that professionalism would be an inescapable component of any move towards internationalisation. That sounds like defeatist to me.
Sorry now FoSB but that sounds delusional to me. There can only be a French, German or Japanese football team if there are people playing the game in those countries. We have GAA in the school system in Brittany, Canada and Britian so in time we might see teams that could play Ireland in an international football fixture but it is a long way away and would require funding that we don't have. As for doing this while remaining amateur, well I just don't see how that is possible, the GAA is embedded into Irish society with massive opportunities for us all to play important games (club, school, college, county) but I don't ever see us convincing many other nationalities to put in the same level of preparation our lads do to have truely competitive teams without financial reward.
We'll agree to differ here Zulu. A pal of mine refereed in Paris last year, and there's wasn't a single native anglophone playing; they played for the love of the game (and not badly either), and if they thought that there was a chance of them representing their country or continent playing that game that they love, they'd jump at the chance, and there'd be no need for massive monies to be spent in so facilitating them. That's not to say that it woud be simple, but it would be possible, and that's where a little imaginative application comes in.
I think the problem here is that some people (Zapatista ;)) don't like this rules game and anything to do with, or any lessons that can be taken from it.
I don't like it either, but I'm still willing to say that if a fella displays singular lack of skill in the basic skills of GAA, as opposed to any of the hybrid skills, then that shows an underlying problem with that lad AS A GAA PLAYER.
I have little time for the series because I think it is a needless risk to our players, and is simply a money exercise for the two associations, but I do think it is instructive to see our best players, or many of them, display serious deficiencies in the skills of Gaelic Football.
Do we need the IR series to display this? - No, certainly not.
Do the IR series highlight this problem? - Yes, in my opinion they do.
Quote from: Zapatista on October 24, 2008, 04:31:37 PM
Exactly. We don't need this to tell us Fermanagh can't shoot.
Steady on Zapatista. Malachy will be working his magic on the Fermanagh forwards over the winter months. I have it on good authority that the Fermanagh players will be wearing a special type of shooting boot next year. Our inability to score will be a thing of the past.
I watched this mornings game with an open mind and have to say both teams would have benefited from a warm up game. They took a while getting used to that rules. Pat was sore on the Irish lads in order not to show bias. While the Aussie ref was a homer.
Also felt that when the Irish heard the whistle for a mark they automatically stopped instead of using the option to continue. Had Coulter not stopped to take a mark in the first 5 mins he was in for a goal. All in all i did enjoy and am looking forward to next weeks test.
I put my hands up a little AZ ;).
I just can't see how after seeing players fail at basic skills is a defence for the IR when we know it is the case from our own games. I don't think theIR highlights this but I do agree that it shows some of it as do our own games week in week out.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 24, 2008, 04:16:08 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on October 24, 2008, 03:55:49 PM
the biggest thing these games have to teach us is our players are not as sharp or as fit as they should be. the number of times an irish player was caught in possesion was shocking. dispite higher skill level most are not able to operate at the spped necessary for a game with a genuine tackle. Im thinking abut Canty reilly bradley and even though he had a great game S macdonell who did his best work with the ball out of hand.
Kavanagh and the tyrone boys seemed to love it and I thought it was interesting that it was mackeever whio was instigating the professional killing of the game towards the end , you never expect such cynicism out of an armagh lad :'(
Speed has nothing to do with it. Lads can't switch off 20 odd years of training just like that. Training which says draw the tackle and then offload, or sidestep the man, or don't dive in or you'll give away a free etc. Lads can't tackle properly, so what. It'll be over in a week and we'll think no more on it for another year. Or preferably we'll think no more on it full stop.
In a nutshell, Jinxy, a lot of posters are being very harsh on our lads. The tackle in this game is light years away from the tackle in our game, we still had lads trying to shoulder the Australians, there were times in the game where the last thing you wanted to do was catch the ball (after it bounced) cause the Aussies just wrapped them up. I don't care what anybody thinks that will have an effect on shot selection etc..
The Irish footballers can't change the way their mind works on the pitch based on playing this game twice every 1/2 years.
Anyways, regardless of anything else, it's resulted in the liveliest thread since the AI Final, so it's not all bad ;)
Maybe your definition of highlighting is different to ( or more correct than!!) my own. I'm certainly not saying that exposing our lads skill problems is a reason for the IR to continue, or is a 'defence' for it. All I'm saying is that it highlights, or draws attention to (or further attention to), things we 'purists' have been moaning about for quite a while.
Quote from: mackers on October 24, 2008, 04:48:21 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 24, 2008, 04:16:08 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on October 24, 2008, 03:55:49 PM
the biggest thing these games have to teach us is our players are not as sharp or as fit as they should be. the number of times an irish player was caught in possesion was shocking. dispite higher skill level most are not able to operate at the spped necessary for a game with a genuine tackle. Im thinking abut Canty reilly bradley and even though he had a great game S macdonell who did his best work with the ball out of hand.
Kavanagh and the tyrone boys seemed to love it and I thought it was interesting that it was mackeever whio was instigating the professional killing of the game towards the end , you never expect such cynicism out of an armagh lad :'(
Speed has nothing to do with it. Lads can't switch off 20 odd years of training just like that. Training which says draw the tackle and then offload, or sidestep the man, or don't dive in or you'll give away a free etc. Lads can't tackle properly, so what. It'll be over in a week and we'll think no more on it for another year. Or preferably we'll think no more on it full stop.
In a nutshell, Jinxy, a lot of posters are being very harsh on our lads. The tackle in this game is light years away from the tackle in our game, we still had lads trying to shoulder the Australians, there were times in the game where the last thing you wanted to do was catch the ball (after it bounced) cause the Aussies just wrapped them up. I don't care what anybody thinks that will have an effect on shot selection etc..
The Irish footballers can't change the way their mind works on the pitch based on playing this game twice every 1/2 years.
I'm being 'harsh' on our lads, or actually more to the point on our training methods in the GAA, because the same thing (poor shot selection, poor shooting, poor passing) can be seen every game in the championship, from many intercounty players.
I don't think our players are any less skillful, inherently, than before, but I certainly think modern training methods are sacrificing skill for sweat.
Quote from: FermPundit on October 24, 2008, 04:43:55 PM
Quote from: Zapatista on October 24, 2008, 04:31:37 PM
Exactly. We don't need this to tell us Fermanagh can't shoot.
Steady on Zapatista. Malachy will be working his magic on the Fermanagh forwards over the winter months. I have it on good authority that the Fermanagh players will be wearing a special type of shooting boot next year. Our inability to score will be a thing of the past.
I have full confidence in ye.
Nothing to worry about anyway as according to some here the best in the country cant shoot. I'm just bunging Fermanagh in with the best in the country ;)
getting back to the game itself, one thing i didn't like was the irish playing the ball back and forward near he end to waste time, no call for it!
I think Boylan outcoached Malthouse tonight. Boylan had the big lad at full forward and he was a hard match up. The Aussies erred in not playing a similiar size forward and bringing in a large defender to pick the big lad up. The small speedy forward line of the Aussies struggled until late in the game.
Quote from: bridgegael on October 24, 2008, 04:59:43 PM
getting back to the game itself, one thing i didn't like was the irish playing the ball back and forward near he end to waste time, no call for it!
I disagree Bridgegael - good tactics methinks. The Aussies were coming on strong and the Irish lads were kicking into a strong breeze and had an extra man. It happens every other week in AFL. I don't like the tactic either but it can be effective.
Time to embrace ;)
Kavanaghs goal was fantastic. A real contender for goal of the season :D He was absolutley delighted with himself too.
Today's scorers if anyone's interested in the stats. That we scored three goals to their none and still only finished 1 point up on a team that uses a different shaped ball 49 weeks of the year, is somewhat of a poor reflection on Ireland's kicking skills. Then again, gaelic football is essentially a handpassing game with the odd kick.
In about 74 minutes of play, we managed the grand total of 6 points in gaelic football terms, a paltry three from open play. This is in keeping with the pattern of recent series, our kicking skills or lack of (which can be seen even at home) are very harshly underlined in this game where our lads don't have time to steady themselves or can't rush past an opponent into space for shooting when in possession.
There's alot to be learned from Aussie tactics and support play and shooting under pressure if we'd open our eyes and see this for the learning opportunity it is.
Ireland
Sean Cavanagh 1-2-1 (13)
Leighton Glynn 1-1-1 (10)
Steven McDonnell 1-0-1 (7)
Kieran Donaghy 0-1-1 (4)
Ciarán Lyng 0-1-0 (3)
Paddy Bradley 0-1-0 (3)
Behinds: Meehan (2) Coulter, Cullen, Joe McMahon (all 1 each)
Australia
Murphy 0-4-0 (12)
Campbell 0-2-2 [8]
Thompson 0-2-0 (6)
Harvey 0-1-1 (4)
Montagna 0-1-1 (4)
Osborne 0-1-0 (3)
Bodan 0-1-0 (3)
Behinds: Brennan (2), Motlop, Hayden (all 1)
I thought the Irish players over played the hand pass at times today. On numerous occcasions they got caught in possession and tackled. In the next test they should utilise the short kicked pass and take the mark. I thought the Australians did this really well this morning.
Quote from: HeaveHo on October 24, 2008, 05:04:03 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on October 24, 2008, 04:59:43 PM
getting back to the game itself, one thing i didn't like was the irish playing the ball back and forward near he end to waste time, no call for it!
I disagree Bridgegael - good tactics methinks. The Aussies were coming on strong and the Irish lads were kicking into a strong breeze and had an extra man. It happens every other week in AFL. I don't like the tactic either but it can be effective.
it might be effective but does nothing for the game as a spectacle.
Quote from: bridgegael on October 24, 2008, 05:09:41 PM
Quote from: HeaveHo on October 24, 2008, 05:04:03 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on October 24, 2008, 04:59:43 PM
getting back to the game itself, one thing i didn't like was the irish playing the ball back and forward near he end to waste time, no call for it!
I disagree Bridgegael - good tactics methinks. The Aussies were coming on strong and the Irish lads were kicking into a strong breeze and had an extra man. It happens every other week in AFL. I don't like the tactic either but it can be effective.
it might be effective but does nothing for the game as a spectacle.
Totally agree - does get the crowd booing which can be a bit of humour. Lot of Irish folk there tonight - I reckon 1 in 3 was an Irish supporter - good for the atmosphere. Some of the lads look like they had some long lunches before coming to the game - all good natured stuff.
QuoteThere's alot to be learned from Aussie tactics and support play and shooting under pressure if we'd open our eyes and see this for the learning opportunity it is.
Exactly, if I were coaching an inter county team I'd be out in Australia to watch the movement of the Aussie players, there are All Irelands to be won if lessons are learnt.
QuoteI thought the Irish players over played the hand pass at times today.
We always do, in this game and in our own game. Irish players generally drift over to the man in possession which means he often has 3 or 4 teammates within 5 yards of him, this means all his options are a fistpass distance away. We need to coach an awareness of space into our players, make players realize the need for alternative options and the ability to work the ball out of tight spaces and back into the open.
Must be alot of Dubs out in Australia at the moment, as a lot of fans arrived late to the game. Happy the AFL started the game on time all-the-same.
I watched this mornings game with an open mind and have to say both teams would have benefited from a warm up game. They took a while getting used to that rules. Pat was sore on the Irish lads in order not to show bias. While the Aussie ref was a homer.
Also felt that when the Irish heard the whistle for a mark they automatically stopped instead of using the option to continue. Had Coulter not stopped to take a mark in the first 5 mins he was in for a goal. All in all i did enjoy and am looking forward to next weeks test.
For Ireland
David Gallagher was outstanding.
John Keane also outstanding
Aidan O Mahony has a nighmare opening quarter and a half, but was solid after that.
Thought Kieran McKeever and Graham Canty also worked hard aswell.
Colm Begley got on a sight of ball,and worked hard
Kieran Donaghy, was very good in the air,Its a pity we couldnt afford him to play Full Forward for the whole 80 minutes.
Sean Kavanagh kicking 1 goal and 2 overs and playing a captains part.
Leighton Glynn for me was the best Irish Player on show,Terrific workrate and finishing.
Joe McMahon worked hard,gave a great ball for the goal,
Benny Coulter was also a good outlet, he set up a couple of overs with good play and Great fielding,but he missed what should have been a certain score early on.
I think Tom Parsons,Bryan Cullen , Kevin Reily,Pearse O Neil John Miskella and a seemingly overweight looking Paddy Bradley to be honest just werent up to it, Wasnt impressed by any of them.
Especially suprised to see Paddy Bradley get run down so comprehensively in the 4th quarter when in on goal.
i thought Austrailia were at least 8-10 points a better team,Only for some sloppy play by the Aussies constantly handpassing the ball over the side line for one,wed have been in trouble.
There were a few Irish Guys who just werent up to the standard,and some of them were ones who alot on here were confused about being picked.
The standard of kick passing was poor and as has been mentioned before,We handpassed lads into trouble far to much.
Quote from: ONeill on October 24, 2008, 04:00:35 PM
Started slowly and was missing the 'biff' but as the game progressed I started to enjoy it. The players seemed to too going by the smiles on Cavanagh and Donaghy during their interviews.
The wing mirrors were evident early on among the Irish players but they started to forget about it as the game wore on. Must be hard for the Irish to naturally release the ball so quickly.
I'd imagine Aussie pride will get the better of them next test and we'll see a few dust-ups.
I seen quite a few later on in the game as well.
Quote from: ONeill on October 24, 2008, 04:00:35 PM
Started slowly and was missing the 'biff' but as the game progressed I started to enjoy it.
Aw shucks! :-*
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on October 24, 2008, 06:14:00 PM
For Ireland
David Gallagher was outstanding.
John Keane also outstanding
Aidan O Mahony has a nighmare opening quarter and a half, but was solid after that.
Thought Kieran McKeever and Graham Canty also worked hard aswell.
Colm Begley got on a sight of ball,and worked hard
Kieran Donaghy, was very good in the air,Its a pity we couldnt afford him to play Full Forward for the whole 80 minutes.
Sean Kavanagh kicking 1 goal and 2 overs and playing a captains part.
Leighton Glynn for me was the best Irish Player on show,Terrific workrate and finishing.
Joe McMahon worked hard,gave a great ball for the goal,
Benny Coulter was also a good outlet, he set up a couple of overs with good play and Great fielding,but he missed what should have been a certain score early on.
I think Tom Parsons,Bryan Cullen , Kevin Reily,Pearse O Neil John Miskella and a seemingly overweight looking Paddy Bradley to be honest just werent up to it, Wasnt impressed by any of them.
Especially suprised to see Paddy Bradley get run down so comprehensively in the 4th quarter when in on goal.
i thought Austrailia were at least 8-10 points a better team,Only for some sloppy play by the Aussies constantly handpassing the ball over the side line for one,wed have been in trouble.
There were a few Irish Guys who just werent up to the standard,and some of them were ones who alot on here were confused about being picked.
The standard of kick passing was poor and as has been mentioned before,We handpassed lads into trouble far to much.
Very good summation old chap, agree with everything there.
two passages of class : McMahons pass to Glynn for well taken goal
: Donaghys pass to Cavanagh FOR SCREAMER in top corner.
other than that, what a load of rubbish, this nonsence of a game has been going for 30 years now, ...yet it still has no future for the gaa.
a nice holiday for the players .... well deserved! ... and excuse for the top dogs and WAGS for a free holiday!!!!
Quote from: kickingmule on October 24, 2008, 06:57:36 PM
two passages of class : McMahons pass to Glynn for well taken goal
: Donaghys pass to Cavanagh FOR SCREAMER in top corner.
other than that, what a load of rubbish, this nonsence of a game has been going for 30 years now, ...yet it still has no future for the gaa.
a nice holiday for the players .... well deserved! ... and excuse for the top dogs and WAGS for a free holiday!!!!
Now, now - you can't say that - I said it earlier and I was berated.
To be fair while our skills could and should be far better with the round ball,
Physically i think we cope quite well, id say on average
The Aussies would have nearly 5-10 KG of Mass on their irish counterpart,
and probably 4 or 5% less bodyfat.
With all the Gym work and weights work put in nowadays nowadays i think we are bit by bit getting closer physique wise to teh Aussie's at a detriment to our Gaelic Football skills which arent getting practiced as much.
Good Coaches like Zulu :P who can promote a happy medium is whats required.
Quote from: kickingmule on October 24, 2008, 06:57:36 PM
other than that, what a load of rubbish, this nonsence of a game has been going for 30 years now,
Another bloody begrudger from Drearysteeple land :(
Enjoyable game, nice to see us winning and hope we can win this seris.
Quote from: kickingmule on October 24, 2008, 06:57:36 PM
two passages of class : McMahons pass to Glynn for well taken goal
: Donaghys pass to Cavanagh FOR SCREAMER in top corner.
other than that, what a load of rubbish, this nonsence of a game has been going for 30 years now, ...yet it still has no future for the gaa.
a nice holiday for the players .... well deserved! ... and excuse for the top dogs and WAGS for a free holiday!!!!
What WAGs are these you're on about?
There were plenty of other good moments, gallagher save and Coulter and Donaghy's marks stand out off the top of my head. How many top class passages do you see in an average inter-county game?
Never ever trying to say it's a better game than our own, but these arguments just don't stand up. It's just a hatred of the concept of compromise rules.
Quote from: orangeman on October 24, 2008, 07:00:20 PM
Quote from: kickingmule on October 24, 2008, 06:57:36 PM
two passages of class : McMahons pass to Glynn for well taken goal
: Donaghys pass to Cavanagh FOR SCREAMER in top corner.
other than that, what a load of rubbish, this nonsence of a game has been going for 30 years now, ...yet it still has no future for the gaa.
a nice holiday for the players .... well deserved! ... and excuse for the top dogs and WAGS for a free holiday!!!!
Now, now - you can't say that - I said it earlier and I was berated.
Sorry Orangeman ... Missed that! ...... Could ya do a Discussion debate, for you and me, to get on the next trip????
Quote from: Rossfan on October 24, 2008, 07:22:47 PM
Quote from: kickingmule on October 24, 2008, 06:57:36 PM
other than that, what a load of rubbish, this nonsence of a game has been going for 30 years now,
Another bloody begrudger from Drearysteeple land :(
Enjoyable game, nice to see us winning and hope we can win this seris.
Sorry don't do begrudgery ....NOTE : AS STATED ... players deserve this break, now you come out of drearysteeple land:
What has this game done to promote gaelic football in 30 years??? ...
Quote from: kickingmule on October 24, 2008, 07:48:28 PM
[What has this game done to promote gaelic football in 30 years??? ...
Probably a lot more than hurling (or Kilkenny) has . Yet no one wants hurling abolished.
QuoteOn a side note, I think too people get wrapped up in this fairytale of promoting the GAA to unconverted masses throughout the globe.
Exactly. How many people here are familiar with Lacrosse or Bandy, do you suppose these will become big in Ireland. No, a university may have a team but thats it.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 24, 2008, 08:07:13 PM
QuoteOn a side note, I think too people get wrapped up in this fairytale of promoting the GAA to unconverted masses throughout the globe.
Exactly. How many people here are familiar with Lacrosse or Bandy, do you suppose these will become big in Ireland. No, a university may have a team but thats it.
Well I do think football in particular would have a decent chance of growing beyond these shores but it would be a very longterm project so in the mean time IR is the best alternative. As AFS points out people need to look on this from a purely sporting context, and when i do that I can only see positives in the game. It isn't a threat to the GAA , it has little impact on GAA activity, it allows us to compare ourselves to professional athletes who play a similar game to our own, it gives the top players a well earned trip to Oz and an opportunity to play for their country. I just can't see the harm in it, if you don't like the game itself fair enough but just don't watch it and you'll be fine.
Quote from: Zulu on October 24, 2008, 04:18:19 PM
Couldn't agree more AZ, this is what I posted immediately after the game on the 'Score 1' thread..."the compromise rules game again highlighted the poor footwork, movement, thinking and worst of all shooting of our lads". I should have included foot passing and control of the ball, I also pointed this out after the last series but many on here disagreed, believing that our poor technique was a consequence of the Aussies overly physical approach, it is not. The reality is this game punishes poor technique, slow play and poor support running more than our own game. As a coach I'm fascinated by the way we play IR as opposed to the Aussies and I really believe that IR is underlining the fact that we have only scratched at the surface of what teams are capable of in football. The fact of the matter as far as I'm concerned is we don't play football particularly well and this is being shown up in the IR series.
spot on, the standard of gaelic football is not great right now. in fact one of the arguments that could be made for professionalism is that the standard would go up but lets not go there! if an afl coach ever got his hands on an inter county team it could be very interesting..
Quote from: Rossfan on October 24, 2008, 07:54:47 PM
Quote from: kickingmule on October 24, 2008, 07:48:28 PM
[What has this game done to promote gaelic football in 30 years??? ...
Probably a lot more than hurling (or Kilkenny) has . Yet no one wants hurling abolished.
Bullshit
Quote from: AFS on October 24, 2008, 08:03:29 PMMight be a good question if the sole purpose of the game's existence was to promote the GAA. Its not, try to look at it as a purely sporting contest.
On a side note, I think too people get wrapped up in this fairytale of promoting the GAA to unconverted masses throughout the globe. There seems to be this presumption that all we need to do is tell people about it and they will instantly be a GAA convert. As blasphemous as this may be to say but maybe our game isn't as exciting and accessible as we like to think. Maybe no matter how much money and effort we pump into promoting it abroad the cold fact of the matter may be that not too many people beyond our shores actually think its any good. :-\
It's a good point. Perhaps an even better question would be the ask the many series' detractors just what is being done
besides the International Rules series to promote the gaelic football code in any real way? Not a lot that has as much impact as the IR series I'll wager, despite the fact it admittedly achieves little in that respect. That's not belittling the various pockets of GAA around the world, I'm just saying that the IR in one fell swoop garners way more attraction and profile for the GAA than anything else. It at least exposes our top players to a large audience in Australia and keeps the game in the public eye at a dead time of the year and I think there's alot to be learned from the Aussies as well.
There's also a degree of over-thinking going on about the whole thing. It's not trying to reinvent the wheel or take over the world, it's just a bloody harmless one-off exhibition match, and a nice honour for the players at the end of the season, as long as it's played in the fashion it was today. Some people are really getting their knickers in a twist about it when all it is, is just a diversion at the end of the playing season that the vast majority enjoy watching. The thuggery two years ago almost turned me off it completely but I think it has a future if it continues to be played in the right spirit, and the second test will tell a tale in this regard as the Aussies are a win at all costs bunch normally.
Quote from: kickingmule on October 24, 2008, 06:57:36 PM
two passages of class : McMahons pass to Glynn for well taken goal
: Donaghys pass to Cavanagh FOR SCREAMER in top corner.
other than that, what a load of rubbish, this nonsence of a game has been going for 30 years now, ...yet it still has no future for the gaa.
a nice holiday for the players .... well deserved! ... and excuse for the top dogs and WAGS for a free holiday!!!!
Agree to a certain extent on the officials but Im all for the players having a good time and bring their WAGS or even someone elses WAGS. They play hard every year good luck to them. Compare them to some of the "professional" spolit brats in OZ in AFL and NRL going around as "role models" then selling their rehab story to womans weekly
Quote from: cavanmaniac on October 24, 2008, 08:26:50 PM
...Perhaps an even better question would be the ask the many series' detractors just what is being done besides the International Rules series to promote the gaelic football code in any real way? Not a lot that has as much impact as the IR series I'll wager, despite the fact it admittedly achieves little in that respect. That's not belittling the various pockets of GAA around the world, I'm just saying that the IR in one fell swoop garners way more attraction and profile for the GAA than anything else. It at least exposes our top players to a large audience in Australia and keeps the game in the public eye at a dead time of the year and I think there's alot to be learned from the Aussies as well.
Perhaps it would be best of all to ask the powers-that-be in the GAA why they're so hell bent on forcing square pegs into round holes instead of promoting our own great games on as global a stage as possible?... That would be your best bet, or at least ask them why they're not expending 10% of the effort on Gaelic Games internationally, or even nationally (witness the Inter-Pros), as they are on this hybrid.
Look, I'm delighted for the lads that get to represent their country; but it's a damned pity it's not representing their country at the game they've made their name at, instead of this bastardisation that we call 'International Rules'. I'm especially happy for the likes of Leighton Glynn, but I'd be a whole lot more delighted if he were representing Ireland in Gaelic Football, which he's very capable of doing too. We shouldn't settle for second best.
Quote from: hardstation on October 24, 2008, 08:43:33 PM
Quote from: orangeman on October 24, 2008, 08:24:12 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 24, 2008, 07:54:47 PM
Quote from: kickingmule on October 24, 2008, 07:48:28 PM
[What has this game done to promote gaelic football in 30 years??? ...
Probably a lot more than hurling (or Kilkenny) has . Yet no one wants hurling abolished.
Bullshit
You're probably not a proper Irishman if you don't like the compromise rules.
That's my excuse anyway and I'm sticking to it. ;)
Quote from: AFS on October 24, 2008, 08:43:05 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 24, 2008, 08:37:16 PM
Quote from: cavanmaniac on October 24, 2008, 08:26:50 PM
...Perhaps an even better question would be the ask the many series' detractors just what is being done besides the International Rules series to promote the gaelic football code in any real way? Not a lot that has as much impact as the IR series I'll wager, despite the fact it admittedly achieves little in that respect. That's not belittling the various pockets of GAA around the world, I'm just saying that the IR in one fell swoop garners way more attraction and profile for the GAA than anything else. It at least exposes our top players to a large audience in Australia and keeps the game in the public eye at a dead time of the year and I think there's alot to be learned from the Aussies as well.
Perhaps it would be best of all to ask the powers-that-be in the GAA why they're so hell bent on forcing square pegs into round holes instead of promoting our own great games on as global a stage as possible?... That would be your best bet, or at least ask them why they're not expending 10% of the effort on Gaelic Games internationally, or even nationally (witness the Inter-Pros), as they are on this hybrid.
Look, I'm delighted for the lads that get to represent their country; but it's a damned pity it's not representing their country at the game they've made their name at, instead of this bastardisation that we call 'International Rules'. I'm especially happy for the likes of Leighton Glynn, but I'd be a whole lot more delighted if he were representing Ireland in Gaelic Football, which he's very capable of doing too. We shouldn't settle for second best.
Whats the alternative? The reason the IR exists is because there isn't another nation in the world where Gaelic football is played in any reasonable numbers. Your attitude is very idealist but is nowhere near the real world. :-\
The first thing we'd need to do is to actually capture the numbers that are playing Gaelic Games seriously in other places -- that little piece of work hasn't even been attempted (to the best of my knowledge). Yet, there are officials regularly going abroad to officiate, until such times as those areas are self-sufficient. You, and your ilk ;), are very fond of throwing out these statements in certitude, yet no supporting facts (no alternative, it'll result in professionalism, we don't have the numbers, etc., etc.). I don't know the answer either, but what I am saying is let's be proactive about it and capture the details, and measure the viability. And when the body in whom we place our trust (the GAA) treats the Inter-Provincials with such contempt as they've shown recently, perhaps we can be forgiven for a degree of scepticism.
Don't come crying to me if next Fridays game degenerates into another thugathon... and if it doesn't, give it time, it will.
I think for next weeks game there should be 2 threads open. One for people who are watching the game because they are interested and want to support the best players in Ireland representing their country. A second thread called the moaners thread for the moaners who are only watching/half watching the game so they can MOAN about how bad it is and talk about free trips etc. The thing is the people who are complaining about the games being rubbish will be the same people on moaning about it being rubbish next week. It would be like someone who doesnt like bread eating it over and over again so they can complain how bad it is - doesnt make any sense.
Or maybe it's like someone eating bread because no one has bothered their arse to make (vitamin fortified) cake, even though they'd all the ingredients to hand?
Quote from: AFS on October 24, 2008, 08:43:05 PMWhats the alternative? The reason the IR exists is because there isn't another nation in the world where Gaelic football is played in any reasonable numbers. Your attitude is very idealist but is nowhere near the real world. :-\
Is the correct answer. Even if there was an agenda or a will within the GAA to globalise the game - and assuredly, there is not - then it's difficult to see how an association in so much bother with disciplinary structures, championship structures, refereeing etc. right here at home, could ever hope to go global with a game when the housekeeping at home keeps them quite busy enough thank you very much.
Fear, you infer a somehwat mischievious scenario of the GAA actively pouring their heart and soul into IR when a viable alternative of globalising the game exists. That's a total folly as AFS points out. The IR takes minimal effort on the GAA's part and maximum return when it's at home in terms of € so it's hardly labour intensive or resources-heavy (nowhere near what a globalisation effort would take), or in any way detrimental to any part of its normal games if it's played fairly. The IR is probably not the best, but remains the only
real way of giving the GAA a large audience outside Ireland. So despite its flaws, it's all there is.
The current extent of how and where GAA is played abroad is as far as it will go, and even that is left largely up to ex-pat volunteers because the GAA does not have the will or the resources to take it further. Too many other sports are too deeply rooted for an unpaid game like GAA to ever take hold to anything a million miles near the romantic extent you envisage.
QuoteThe first thing we'd need to do is to actually capture the numbers that are playing Gaelic Games seriously in other places -- that little piece of work hasn't even been attempted (to the best of my knowledge). Yet, there are officials regularly going abroad to officiate, until such times as those areas are self-sufficient. You, and your ilk , are very fond of throwing out these statements in certitude, yet no supporting facts (no alternative, it'll result in professionalism, we don't have the numbers, etc., etc.). I don't know the answer either, but what I am saying is let's be proactive about it and capture the details, and measure the viability. And when the body in whom we place our trust (the GAA) treats the Inter-Provincials with such contempt as they've shown recently, perhaps we can be forgiven for a degree of scepticism.
Don't come crying to me if next Fridays game degenerates into another thugathon... and if it doesn't, give it time, it will.
FoSB I'm sure everyone on this board would like to see other countries being able to field truely competitive football teams but the reality is, that day is decades away (at least!!). Another reality is we don't have the money to develop the GAA to any great degree in other countries and can you imagine the fuss if the GAA announced a €10 million development of the GAA in lets say Germany? How many GAA officials would cry this money should be spent on hurling in this country?
Is the IR perfect? No, but it is the best we've got and as many of us have pointed out it isn't causing any harm.
Quote from: AFS on October 24, 2008, 09:16:19 PM
The violence within the IR series is unfortunate and potential fatal, but it shouldn't cloud judgments over the reasons for the series' existence in the first place.
Tabloid esque?
Jaysus it's only a bit of craic. The Irish players love the chance to represent Ireland. Neither nation takes it too seriously. A bit of football, a bit of thumping - sure it has been the same since the days of McGilligan, O'Hagan and Rock. A glorified end-of-county-season piss-up.
Quote from: orangeman on October 24, 2008, 08:46:38 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 24, 2008, 08:43:33 PM
Quote from: orangeman on October 24, 2008, 08:24:12 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 24, 2008, 07:54:47 PM
Quote from: kickingmule on October 24, 2008, 07:48:28 PM
[What has this game done to promote gaelic football in 30 years??? ...
Probably a lot more than hurling (or Kilkenny) has . Yet no one wants hurling abolished.
Bullshit
You're probably not a proper Irishman if you don't like the compromise rules.
That's my excuse anyway and I'm sticking to it. ;)
Usual high standard of debate from the backward looking insular Orangeman while th'other lad has to be on message too. ;D
No doubt ye're on ye're way to Fermoy to see Ulster in the ultra competitive exciting Inter provincial games.
As for me I believe the IR highlights are on in a few minutes so I'll feast my eyes on many of Ulster's finest footballers playing for their Country.
It's always the same after an Ulster teams wins the All Ireland, people bemoan the general standards of Gaelic football ::)
The Aussie footwork is streets ahead, then again they have to dodge the tackle in their game. It is a bit of a mindbender that you can get dragged down to the ground and the foul goes against you.
Quote from: AFS on October 24, 2008, 09:50:21 PM
Quote from: DoYerJob Linesman on October 24, 2008, 09:27:19 PM
Quote from: AFS on October 24, 2008, 09:16:19 PM
The violence within the IR series is unfortunate and potential fatal, but it shouldn't cloud judgments over the reasons for the series' existence in the first place.
Tabloid esque?
Didn't mean it like that, I meant potential fatal to the continued existence of the series
Got ye now.
QuoteIt's always the same after an Ulster teams wins the All Ireland, people bemoan the general standards of Gaelic football
And it's always the same with some Ulster posters around here who think the world revolves around them. Take your head out of your ass for feck sake, those of us bemoaning the standard of football skills aren't referring to any particular county or any particular year. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Quote from: Zulu on October 24, 2008, 04:18:19 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 24, 2008, 04:04:54 PM
The biggest lesson I think we can take from these type series is not that we must get more physical or more fit than the Aussies, they are full time pros. There is a limit a team can reach in an amateur scenario which is less than a pro.
The lesson I see is that we are enhancing the physical side of our games, the mental and physical preparation necessary to operate at a high level fitness and focus wise, but we are neglecting the skills of the games.
In our own games last year, we saw any amount of very very bad foot passing, and kicking for scores. I think what this series emphasises is that we have really gone back in that area, apart from a few honourable exceptions.
This is repeated over and over in every inter county game you watch, again, with some notable exceptions like Kerry Galway last year. But there are many 'forwards' playing inter county football who simply cannot be expected to score more than 70% of their chances within 30-40 yards. The Aussies are as good as ourselves at kicking scores, and were last time around as well.
I would love to see the happy balance where our players would be very fit, but not super fit (in an amateur context), but would be able to master the skills. I think what this series reinforces is that our physical levels will never reach the Aussies, but what we have sacrificed skills wise in the modern era is quite stark.
Couldn't agree more AZ, this is what I posted immediately after the game on the 'Score 1' thread..."the compromise rules game again highlighted the poor footwork, movement, thinking and worst of all shooting of our lads". I should have included foot passing and control of the ball, I also pointed this out after the last series but many on here disagreed, believing that our poor technique was a consequence of the Aussies overly physical approach, it is not. The reality is this game punishes poor technique, slow play and poor support running more than our own game. As a coach I'm fascinated by the way we play IR as opposed to the Aussies and I really believe that IR is underlining the fact that we have only scratched at the surface of what teams are capable of in football. The fact of the matter as far as I'm concerned is we don't play football particularly well and this is being shown up in the IR series.
We only got six points over the whole game while the Aussies got twelve. We were lucky to hold on in the end and I'd say the Aussies will improve a lot more than us over the next week. If we only learn one thing before the next game I hope it is to take every possible over and forget about the bloody goals. Paddy Bradley should have got a penalty but he should never have been in that position. The ball should have been over the bar.
Quote from: hardstation on October 24, 2008, 10:09:00 PM
The Aussie 'keeper should be put under more pressure. He's a bit of a dungbag (which is understandable).
Surely you mean Irish. He looks like he has been plucked from the crowd 5 minutes before the throw in.
Gallagher did very well in nets. I for one am eating humble pie on his selection, hope he keeps it up as he'll have an increased workoad in the second test.
In this game players rush their kicks because they think if they hang onto it more than 2 seconds they'll be nailed. Thus a player getting the ball with his back to goal cannot shoot unless he has marked the ball or has a 5 metre exclusion zone around him. It's baffling to hear so many people talking about our poor shooting as some sort of indictment of players skill levels as gaelic footballers. A huge number of points in gaelic football are scored by a player gaining possession and working half a yard to get a shot in. You can't work that half a yard in IR. This effectively means that much of your scores (outside of set shots) come from picking up breaks near to goal or working an overlap through the middle. Pretty much every one of the fantastic points Seán Cavanagh kicked in the All-Ireland final would not have been scored in IR because he would have been eating turf before he got a chance to shoot. Players have to get this idea out of their heads too that kicking a behind from 50m out is some sort of achievement. When you get into their half, you have to work a decent scoring chance instead of just kicking the ball away for the sake of 1 point. I watched the highlights on RTE there and I have to say the jerky, hesitant demeanour of the Irish lads is in sharp contrast to the way the aussies carry themselves. This is purely down to the tackle. The Irish lads are all tensed up wondering where the tackle is going to come from. The aussies just get on with the game, safe in the knowledge that most of the Irish lads couldn't tackle their granny. The highlights themselves were quite boring. The full game must have been seriously hard work to watch.
Thought Joe McMahon was excellent in terms of winning ball, using ball and tackling. Glynn was also mightily impressive. McDonnell was a shambles and caused umpteen turnovers.
Shot stopping was fine. Distribution was poor, put his teammates under alot of pressure with slack passes under no pressure.
It wasn't a brilliant spectacle by any means but as the game went on it became better and was fairly entertaining, the second test should be much more exciting. I would however disagree with your assumption that the poor Irish technique was down to being 'tense' there were plenty of examples of Irish players messing up basics from frees or mark situations. The lack of movement when on the ball of our players was also particularly striking and that had nothing to do with the rules but the IR punished our lads staticness more than football does.
I think Gallagher did a good job overall, the Aussie guy was a clown with the obvious allowance that he's new to an unfamiliar role.
@ Jinxy, good post, this is of course a huge factor but I reckon it's something our own game can benefit from. In these days of mass defences, getting an accurate shot off quickly would be a great weapon to have.
It only part explains some of the poor kicking though and I'm not talking about shooting either, some of the attempts at fairly basic passes (Cullen, O'Mahony) were embarrassing, and even Donaghy and a few others managed to overcook very easy handpasses in non-pressure situations when good scenarios were unfolding.
As an aside, Bradley, Kevin Reilly and Meehan would be the three players I'd drop for next week.
I'd be inclined to give McDonnell a rest, I thought he was poor.
Yeah he'd be close to the cut as well, was very poor in 1st test but he's always worth hanging on to because the Aussies are wary of him from other years plus he could notch 9 points in the blink of an eye after having a quiet game. I think the hard miles are starting to show on him though, he peaked a few years ago but can still be a special player on his day.
Anyone got a link to any highlights?
Sean Cavanagh is a pussy
http://www.aflonline.com.au/forums/index.php?showtopic=9056&st=60&start=60
Quote from: cavanmaniac on October 24, 2008, 11:16:15 PM
As an aside, Bradley, Kevin Reilly and Meehan would be the three players I'd drop for next week.
Funny that. I thought Meehan and Paddy B would have been brilliant at this game. It just shows you how completely different it is from football. The Gooch didn't take to it either when he played.
didnt notice Meehan much except for him kicking one behind, so cant comment on him.
Wasnt Stevie's best IR match,but to be fair to all in the FF line with the exception of a few balls in, the service was terrible,Id say there were stretches of about 5/6 minutes the ball didnt even get into the Aussie Half.
Id be critical of Paddy Bradley because of the lack of sharpness he showed the Paddy Bradley we know at his peak,would not have been caught like he was from behind,And missing such a great chance could end up being so crucial in the overall context of the series.
Team that started was
David Gallagher
Aidan O Mahoney
Finian Hanley
John Keane
Ciaran McKeever
Kevin Reily
Bryan Cullen
Colm Begley
Graham Canty
Enda McGinley
Sean Kavanagh
Joe McMahon
Benny Coulter
Kieran Donaghy
Stevie Mac Donnell
with Donaghy moving to midfield,for the throw in
if i were to pick a team to start the next day it would be
David Gallagher
Aidan O Mahony
Finian Hanley
John Keane
Ciaran McKeever
Graham Canty
Colm Begley
Martin McGrath
Enda McGinley
Leighton Glynn
Sean Kavanagh
Joe McMahon
Benny Coulter
Kieran Donaghy
Stevie McDonnell
Just to note from AFL online.
BEST
Australia: Murphy (18 possesions, 4 overs) Selwood (27 possesion), Thomas (19 possesion), Pendulbery (13 possesions), Harvey (22 possesion, 1 over), Rodan (9 possesions, 1 over), Simpson (25 possesions),
Ireland: Cavanagh (9 possesion, 1 goal, 2 overs), Canty (21 possesions), Donaghy (14 possesion, 1 over), Begley (16 possesions), Gallagher (25 possesion), Joe McMahon (26 possesion), Glynn (19 possesion, 1 goal, 1 over), McKeever (23 possesion)
On that Aussie website they are calling our lads pussy's which is a bit harsh IMO but there can be no doubt we have veered towards the soccer 'simulation' malarky and staying down when we should really be getting up and on with it.
Cavanagh did well, as did Donaghy
I thought that Bradley did well in fact - he should have been given a penalty for the pull down and I think alot of ball into him was delayed too much - we never got enough early ball in to the advantage of the forwards
I thought Meehan was poor
The refs favoured the Irish overall tho, I think the Aussies looked far too scared to be physical
Zulu that's just the Aussie way. If you don't fight them you're a pussy, if you fight back you're the thugs trying to start the fight who then complain when they get beaten up. And then you're a whinger and a sook.
It's on record that no Aussie sportsman has ever done anything untoward. Ever.
Quote from: cavanmaniac on October 24, 2008, 10:59:25 PM
Gallagher did very well in nets. I for one am eating humble pie on his selection, hope he keeps it up as he'll have an increased workoad in the second test.
I never doubted Seán Boylan for one minute: one thing he can be guaranteed to do is pick the best man for the job, as he sees fit. And that it happened to be a clubmate is neither here nor there. Gallagher was supreme.
Quote from: AFS on October 25, 2008, 12:36:07 AM
Also on this board:
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=508267&page=28
Hardly the same O'Neill, is it?
Weigh in lads - we need a few sensible heads to argue sensible points. 'Hard Man' is doing a good job.
Nothing Hard Man or anybody could post there could balance out what that pedantic poster called O'Neill gets up to.
Takes absurdity to pussy levels not previously imagined.
Quote from: Doogie Browser on October 24, 2008, 01:43:38 PM
Quote from: carribbear on October 24, 2008, 01:35:20 PM
Gallagher was a great pick for goals
really enjoyed it, pity they cant be done for jersey pulling, i dont see how that can be deemed to be a tackle. Paddy Bradley was through on goal I think and had his shirt nearly ripped off at the end there. could have been another 6.
I'd expect the aussies to make a better game of it in Melbourne.
BTW- I don't think its a junket, guys like this deserve a holiday... theres an irish soccer team who are shite athletes and they get flown around the world...some of them dont even know what country they play for....not to mention all those hun rugby chaps
Wise up
I'll call it as I see it. Ireland's call my hole....I will always deem that rugby lot as west brits.
Who here wouldn't want to represent their country given a chance. I for one would jump at it. I represented The state of Victoria in the Australian championships a number of years ago and to this day I think of it as one of the highlights of my footballing days, the opportunity to be acknowledged as one of the best players in a sport is quite an achievement for an amateur.
We send athletes to olympic games. Should we tell them not to go. I'm sure the boxers disgraced themselves in Beijing.
I see Begley has been given the boot by Brisbane. Bit surprising really.
i went to the match last night, i'm wasn't a big fan of IR before it and still not after it. But i've no problem with it being played every year or 2. 1st half was very poor and found it quite boring. it picked up in the 2nd half. Atmosphere wasn't great until the last quarter when Australia started to put some scores on the board. Aussie fans are idiots, well able to dish shit out but they cannot take a beating, walking to the pub after i almost ended up in about 3 fights with aussies because i was irish. All i was doing was asking for directions to a pub.
Anyway i met the players last night after the game in a pub in Perth. Shocked by how friendly they were, i was farily drunk and was talking alot of shite but they kept chatting with me. I probably owe some of the them an apology especailly the guys i talked to about the GPA which i now change my opinion on. I'm sure one or two of them probably have a look at this site so sorry boys. I was the guy trying to get one of your ties (which for some reason ye were very protective of)Talking to them the series should be kept going, they want it to continue and it a nice holiday for them aswell. Special mention to McGinley (very grounded) Cavanagh, Tohill, Keane, O'Neill(funny bastard) and Canty.
I watched the game in a pub in Broome. There was a wicked duet playing -Desert Child for those of you who ever get the chance to see them, dynamite guitar stuff - and all but one were focussed on them. The one - me- was glued to the TV and as the game progressed it quickly became apparent I was the only Irishman in the place. The craic was great, quare banter and as the last 5 minutes approached the atmosphere in the pub was brilliant. At the final whistle the Aussies were very complimentary of the whole thing, but then they are West Aussies so love their footy.
PH Pearse, what happened you on the way to the pub is not uncommon is Australia - you only have to look at the bloodbath that the Perth Australia Day Skyworks show has become. I refuse to take my young fella anywhere near the main event as the thuggery is unbelievable. They don't like being beaten on home soil, but I'm damned if they'd behave like that if it were the All Blacks having just beaten them in rugby.
Quote from: cavanmaniac on October 25, 2008, 12:38:52 AM
Zulu that's just the Aussie way. If you don't fight them you're a pussy, if you fight back you're the thugs trying to start the fight who then complain when they get beaten up. And then you're a whinger and a sook.
It's on record that no Aussie sportsman has ever done anything untoward. Ever.
Now you ARE totally talking through your arse... :-[
Why is there a need to have an international aspect to the GAA? I would rather watch Derry play Mayo than Germany play Sweden any day. Any international aspect to the GAA could be done at club or county level. The All-Ireland club champions could be taken to Aus to play Aus in football or to the US to play NY or to London to play London. The same could be done with Hurling. The IR series is basisally keeping up with the Jones'. Who gives a fcuk if we have an Irish team? The idea that we need the IR to create an Irish team is a weak argument.
Many of the reasons in support for the series are made up in peoples heads. I see some are even changing the field of reference in which to argue for or against. Now we are not to argue all aspects of the series but we are to look at it as a sporting contest between to teams and anything outside that is not open for discussion. We are being asked to argue on a small part of the series were those in favour of the series can actually defend their corner. We are to treat it with as much relevance as two Young fellas kicking a ball against a wall.
in regards to promoting GAA in other countries. The NFL's popularity over in the UK has gone through the roof since they've put it on sky. Its not pay-per-view or any of that nonsense, they made a consious effort to make the game as freely available to as many people as possible without losing control of their product. I dont think the GAA on Setanta is comparable. Its nicely timed after the soccer season in winter and to put it on SKY while keeping it on RTE in Ireland.
Did Justin McMahon get a run yest, didn't notice him?
Quote from: Doire abú on October 25, 2008, 10:40:56 AM
Did Justin McMahon get a run yest, didn't notice him?
yeah he def got a run out a some stage, don't think he got an awful lot of game time, as you say he was hardly noticed.
He got a bit of game time in the final quarter.
Definitely much harder to create time and space for scoretakers to line up an effort. Every man is well marshalled.
The Irish simply need to tackle more. I don't know what the finally tally was but twas fairly pathetic at HT.
Quote from: hardstation on October 24, 2008, 10:39:30 PM
Championes Championes ole ole ole!
Always good to beat the roadkill eating b**tards. A bit like beating Carrickmore.
Is that right Hardstation! >:(
Quote from: ONeill on October 25, 2008, 11:00:39 AM
He got a bit of game time in the final quarter.
Definitely much harder to create time and space for scoretakers to line up an effort. Every man is well marshalled.
The Irish simply need to tackle more. I don't know what the finally tally was but twas fairly pathetic at HT.
Think the final tackle count was 38 - 9 in favour of Australia. The thing is that a properly executed tackle effectively wins back possession. Ciaran McKeever said in yesterday's Irish News that it can be difficult for our lads as the instinctive thing in Gaelic Football is to stand off and restrict space rather than diving straight in.
Cavanagh hails 'fantastic football'
25 October 2008
Ireland captain Sean Cavanagh has paid tribute to the "fantastic football" witnessed during the one-point win over Australia in the opening International Rules Test.
The Tyrone Footballer of the Year was a key figure as the Irish held on to claim the opening Test in Perth on Friday. Cavanagh reckons the match was superb and was delighted that it was played in the right spirit:
"There were good physical hits out there but the main thing is that there was some fantastic football from both sides. I am looking forward to the game in Melbourne already.
"We were actually expecting Australia to come at us in the third quarter. We really put an awful lot of effort into that and we got a good lead, maybe ran out of steam a little bit in the fourth quarter.
"Fair play to Australia for coming back at us, they played some great football. I just can't wait for next week. The atmosphere here was fantastic. It definitely gave a great boost to the players. It was unreal," he concluded.
Does anyone else cringe a little bit when they read stuff like this?
No, why would you? Both teams are playing football are they not and there were some great passages of play though over all it was a fairly average sporting occasion.
Quote from: Aerlik on October 25, 2008, 06:49:44 AM
Quote from: cavanmaniac on October 25, 2008, 12:38:52 AM
Zulu that's just the Aussie way. If you don't fight them you're a pussy, if you fight back you're the thugs trying to start the fight who then complain when they get beaten up. And then you're a whinger and a sook.
It's on record that no Aussie sportsman has ever done anything untoward. Ever.
Now you ARE totally talking through your arse... :-[
Sorry dude, was referring to the prevailing 'opinion' from the chimps over on big footy...not Aussies per se.
Quote from: cavanmaniac on October 25, 2008, 12:38:52 AM
It's on record that no Aussie sportsman has ever done anything untoward. Ever.
Bit like Ulster footballers so :P
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on October 25, 2008, 02:12:17 PM
Quote from: cavanmaniac on October 25, 2008, 12:38:52 AM
It's on record that no Aussie sportsman has ever done anything untoward. Ever.
Bit like Ulster footballers so :P
teehee we have fooled them :-X :-X :-X
Australian manager Mick Malthouse remains unconvinced about the yellow card dished out to Campbell Brown during the first International Rules Test in Perth.
The player was sin-binned at a vital stage in Friday's clash after a rough challenge on Finian Hanley, but Malthouse believes it was not a particularly nasty incident:
"I guess at AFL level, that's a free-kick at best. It's a yellow card here - we accept that and move on.
"I don't think it was outside the spirit of the game. These things happen. I think anyone who saw tonight's game would know the spirit it was played in. It was a credit to both sets of players,"
The Oz manager is also promising an improved performance from his side next week as they bid for revenge:
"We've a week to improve our skill level and improve our understanding of the game. Our handpassing was quite ordinary at times tonight," he accepted.
Quote from: Zulu on October 25, 2008, 01:43:49 PM
No, why would you? Both teams are playing football are they not and there were some great passages of play though over all it was a fairly average sporting occasion.
Where?
Quote from: Jinxy on October 25, 2008, 03:24:29 PM
Quote from: Zulu on October 25, 2008, 01:43:49 PM
No, why would you? Both teams are playing football are they not and there were some great passages of play though over all it was a fairly average sporting occasion.
Where?
Cavanagh's goal? Donaghy's mark? The Aussie who nalied 2 great scores from out wide either side in the 2nd quarter (I think)?
All great passages of play from what I could see!
First of all, Cavanaghs goal would have been saved by a proper keeper, yes Donaghy caught a ball but he does that 5 or 6 times a game over here and fair enough the Australian lad kicked a couple of nice points. I still think it's a bit of a stretch to use the term fantastic football.
Jinxy you don't like IR so you don't see much merit in the game, if you didn't like American football you could ask an NFL fan to point out some good passages of play and still not be impressed if you just don't like the game. But any fair minded fan of football would have to admit the build up to Cavanagh's goal was brilliant and the Aussie's created and scored some amazing 'overs'. Much of what Glynn did was very impressive also but if you don't like the game you don't like the game.
Quote from: Zulu on October 25, 2008, 04:14:44 PM
Jinxy you don't like IR so you don't see much merit in the game, if you didn't like American football you could ask an NFL fan to point out some good passages of play and still not be impressed if you just don't like the game. But any fair minded fan of football would have to admit the build up to Cavanagh's goal was brilliant and the Aussie's created and scored some amazing 'overs'. Much of what Glynn did was very impressive also but if you don't like the game you don't like the game.
I thought it was a good goal and I don't like the game.
Does the same apply if you do like the game? e.g. you might deem a poor play as a good one?
I used to like it. It used to be way more action-packed. Now it's just a watered down version of the original game. The vast majority of people I've spoken to that watched the full game say it was like watching paint dry until the last 5 minutes.
No Zap, I don't think someone who likes the game can't see poor passages of play for what they are, I like the game but I didn't think yesterday's game was great.
Jinxy, like I said above I didn't think yesterday's game was particularly good either but there was passages of very good football, not unlike many of this year's championship games.
I really want to like IR but i just have to try too hard. any sport that requires focussed determination to be enjoyed is just not worthy of the description
Quote from: Uladh on October 25, 2008, 04:27:20 PM
I really want to like IR but i just have to try too hard. any sport that requires focussed determination to be enjoyed is just not worthy of the description
maybe you just need to learn the rules.
Quote from: thejuice on October 25, 2008, 09:17:35 AM
in regards to promoting GAA in other countries. The NFL's popularity over in the UK has gone through the roof since they've put it on sky. Its not pay-per-view or any of that nonsense, they made a consious effort to make the game as freely available to as many people as possible without losing control of their product. I dont think the GAA on Setanta is comparable. Its nicely timed after the soccer season in winter and to put it on SKY while keeping it on RTE in Ireland.
what?
It's on subscription only tv, how is that freely available? Is NFL really that popular in the UK? Imo it was much higher profile back in the 80's when C4 was showing it. You, are right though, the gaa do a truly pathetic job of promoting their games on tv, the championship is well catered for, but the nfl and club competitions are basically ignored, next time people come knocking for rights to games they have to cut a better deal, forget about money and demand coverage instead, by that time rte may have a dedicated digital sports channel so it should be pretty doable.
Finally, a lot of you (mainly tyronies by the looks of it) seem to think that the gaa should go worldwide and it'd be really successful if marketed properly - that's bollox imo. We've tried many times and can't get beyond the irish diaspora, why? Imo it's money, people hear that no matter how good you are at the game you'll never make a living out of it, how can that incentivise some west indian kid from peckham? He's not going to think to themselves that it'd be great to follow in Dooher's footsteps and put another one over the mighty kingdom - fcuk that, he'll try and run really fast down the wing and become another theo walcott or jeremy guscott.
did anyone record the game, or is there anywhere online that is repeating it? was in Singapore on Friday night and couldn't get anywhere that was showing it!
I think for once Liam Hayes got it just about right with his article on the IR series in todays Tribune.
Quote from: stpauls on October 26, 2008, 06:28:42 AM
did anyone record the game, or is there anywhere online that is repeating it? was in Singapore on Friday night and couldn't get anywhere that was showing it!
Try the media player on gaa.ie
Quote from: magickingdom on October 25, 2008, 08:15:46 PM
Quote from: Uladh on October 25, 2008, 04:27:20 PM
I really want to like IR but i just have to try too hard. any sport that requires focussed determination to be enjoyed is just not worthy of the description
maybe you just need to learn the rules.
They have rules?
Catching the ball above your head and kicking it straight is deemed astonishing in this game. it should be expected from the best "footballers" in either country.
Is the 2nd test on earlier? am stayn in belfast thursday nite and was gunna hit the hatfield to watch it if its opened!
Second test starts @8.45am.
ah shit, nowhere will be opened at that time!
From todays Indo. This clown Sheedy is something else altogether.
'Irish to blame for aggression'
Tuesday October 28 2008
KEVIN Sheedy may no longer be coaching the Australian International Rules team, but he has still succeeded in imposing his controversial personality on this year's series which heads for the second Test in Melbourne on Friday night with Ireland holding a slender one-point lead.
Having dubbed Sean Boylan a 'leprechaun' last week, Sheedy has now alleged that Irish players kicked the Australians during the controversial 2005 and '06 games which almost led to the abandonment of the entire series. He also defends the tackle by Danyle Pearce which left Graham Geraghty unconscious and headed for hospital after taking a dangerous hit during the second Test in Croke Park in '06.
Henchman
"Pearce tackled one of their players, their henchman, a bit of a Gaelic version of Leigh Matthews. There was nothing wrong with Danyle's tackle but the Irishman was knocked unconscious when his head hit the ground and he was taken from the field on a stretcher," he writes in his autobiography 'Stand Your Ground' which hit Melbourne book stores yesterday afternoon.
Matthews was one of the AFL's most famous players, whom Sheedy likens to Geraghty. The former Australian and Essendon coach also accuses the Irish players of having been involved in skulduggery in various games.
It comes at a time when relations between the GAA and the AFL have returned to cordial territory after extensive negotiations saved the series from extinction.
While Sheedy, who is of Irish extraction, argues that the International Rules games have been good for both countries and acknowledges that managing Australia was the best part of the later stages of his coaching career, his portrayal of Irish players as the aggressors will come as an embarrassment to the AFL as they strive to distance themselves from the '06 horror show in Croke Park.
He describes the atmosphere in Croke Park after Geraghty was stretchered off was like nothing he had ever experienced in a lifetime of coach.
"The tension was amazing. There was only a small number of Australians in Croke Park amid all these very angry Irish people. I had never comes across anything like it. Later, there were lots of crisis meetings going on all over the place between Irish and Australian officials and the series was called off in '07."
Referring to Chris Johnson's shocking tackle on Philip Jordan during the second Test in Melbourne in '05, he writes that it "created the biggest brawl of all time".
"Nothing like what Chris did had ever happened in Gaelic football. They didn't play their game like that," he writes, in what may be an attempt at sarcasm before going on to defend Johnson.
"Chris was suspended but, in his defence, a lot of Irish players had been ankle-tackling and raking our players with their feet. I think it's safe to say that as far as our players were concerned they didn't mind if they were punched but they took umbrage at being kicked. For Australian footballers, being kicked is a bit like someone coming to your party and knocking over your barbecue. You just don't do it," he added.
Despite controversies, Sheedy was convinced that the series would survive because it was good for both associations and is delighted to see it back this year as part of the AFL's 150th anniversary celebrations.
He reveals that he was keen to bring Down's Martin Clarke to Essendon but was turned down by the club because if would have cost AUS$20,000. Clarke moved to Collingwood instead.
In an interesting coincidence, on the day that Sheedy's book was launched where he accuses Irish players of kicking opponents, Tadhg Kennelly offered a revealing insight into the contrasting psyches of the two countries.
Commenting on the nastier end of various International Rules clashes over the years, he accepts that while Ireland have a case to answer too, one aspect of the Australian approach annoyed him.
"I have no problem if you are a hard Aussie Rules footballer and you do it in Aussie Rules, but if you are not and then you do it in International Rules, I think: what is the reason? My problem is guys who aren't genuinely hard in Aussie Rules but think they can do it against the Irish. But it takes two to tango and we have been just as bad," said Kennelly, a star with Sydney Swans for several years.
He is unable to play for Ireland this year due to injury but has been helping out on an advisory capacity.
I would normally have been a supporter of the Rules Series, but Friday's game was boring as fcuk.
Very disappointed in it & TBH I dont know what can be done to save the series
Who wants to save it? Roll on Friday and let it be the last day!
From The Age newspaper in oz, will the maze stadium be ready in time? ;)
Rules series on cards for 2009
October 29, 2008 - 6:54PM
The AFL and the Gaelic Athletic Association have set dates next year for the International Rules Tests in Ireland - provided Friday night's game goes smoothly.
GAA president Nickey Brennan has again emphasised that the future of the concept would only be secure if there was not excessive physical aggression on the field.
Australian and Irish officials met in Melbourne ahead of Friday's series decider at the MCG.
They confirmed 2010 will be a year off and AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou said the league might consider some form of State Of Origin to take the place of the international Tests.
The AFL and GAA plan to resume the series in 2011 in Australia and the following year in Ireland.
Brennan remains confident after last Friday's opening Test in Perth that the series has a future.
It was called off last year and nearly cancelled for good after on-field violence during the 2005 and '06 games.
"I've said all along we want to get through this series, we want to make sure it's played in the right spirit - I'm certainly filled with confidence after last Friday," Brennan said.
"There is the proviso there at all stages and ... we reserve the right to reconsider the matter, but I don't want to be talking down too pessimistically.
"I'd like to be talking optimistically, but let's wait and see.
"As I said at the time (after Perth), it is half-time in every sense of the word."
Demetriou is also upbeat about the series' future.
"We're pretty confident this series is being played in the right spirit and all things being equal, we're looking forward to going to Ireland next year to help the GAA celebrate their 125th year," he said.
Ulster is likely to host the first Test next year on October 24, with the second game at Dublin's Croke Park on November 1.
Demetriou said the confirmation of a two-year cycle for the international rules meant the AFL might have their own exhibition games, such as State Of Origin in the "off" year.
This year, Victoria played a composite Dream Team in the AFL's Hall Of Fame tribute match.
"I started to think about that sort of option when we agreed it would be better to have a two-year cycle," Demetriou said.
"It does leave open the option of the AFL competition doing something of its own in 2010."
The AFL are also likely to agree to two GAA proposals that will limit the AFL recruiting of young Irish players - an issue causing great concern in Ireland.
The GAA want the minimum recruiting age of Irish players raised to 19 and a quota system introduced for AFL clubs.
The AFL Commission is likely to approve the requests by early next year.
"We take these matters very seriously, the fact they've been raised with us," Demetriou said.
Brennan stressed that the junior international rules series between the two countries "is dead, it will not be resumed".
© 2008 AAP
Quote from: AFS on October 29, 2008, 01:53:12 PM
They played the match in Galway a couple of years ago under lights didn't they? Assuming they're planning something similar in Ulster, the match would have to be in Casement because Clones doesn't have any lights. Or I suppose if interest in the series continues to wane over here they might be able to stick it somewhere smaller like Newry or Omagh.
what are you basing that on? next years series will sell out in ireland just like the last one did...
Quote from: AFS on October 29, 2008, 01:53:12 PM
They played the match in Galway a couple of years ago under lights didn't they? Assuming they're planning something similar in Ulster, the match would have to be in Casement because Clones doesn't have any lights. Or I suppose if interest in the series continues to wane over here they might be able to stick it somewhere smaller like Newry or Omagh.
They did indeed, was at it, the hurling before it was the better game though...
Quote from: magickingdom on October 29, 2008, 02:19:32 PM
Quote from: AFS on October 29, 2008, 01:53:12 PM
They played the match in Galway a couple of years ago under lights didn't they? Assuming they're planning something similar in Ulster, the match would have to be in Casement because Clones doesn't have any lights. Or I suppose if interest in the series continues to wane over here they might be able to stick it somewhere smaller like Newry or Omagh.
what are you basing that on? next years series will sell out in ireland just like the last one did...
No it won't. No chance of a row=no real interest in the game.
The product itself isn't enough to sell tickets.
From a marketing point of view, the worst thing they ever did was clean up the game.
I say stage the first test of the 2009 series at Kingspan Breffni Park. Sorted.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 29, 2008, 02:42:59 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on October 29, 2008, 02:19:32 PM
Quote from: AFS on October 29, 2008, 01:53:12 PM
They played the match in Galway a couple of years ago under lights didn't they? Assuming they're planning something similar in Ulster, the match would have to be in Casement because Clones doesn't have any lights. Or I suppose if interest in the series continues to wane over here they might be able to stick it somewhere smaller like Newry or Omagh.
what are you basing that on? next years series will sell out in ireland just like the last one did...
No it won't. No chance of a row=no real interest in the game.
The product itself isn't enough to sell tickets.
From a marketing point of view, the worst thing they ever did was clean up the game.
some people might actually be more interested in a fast paced, high scoring skillfull game then in a row
It will be the biggest attendance at an international match in Belfast next year!!
Quote from: AFS on October 29, 2008, 02:38:30 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on October 29, 2008, 02:19:32 PM
Quote from: AFS on October 29, 2008, 01:53:12 PM
They played the match in Galway a couple of years ago under lights didn't they? Assuming they're planning something similar in Ulster, the match would have to be in Casement because Clones doesn't have any lights. Or I suppose if interest in the series continues to wane over here they might be able to stick it somewhere smaller like Newry or Omagh.
what are you basing that on? next years series will sell out in ireland just like the last one did...
Not so sure about that. There are more negative feelings about the series now than last at any other time it has been staged here. You only have to read what a lot of the posters on this board have to say about it to get a sense that there are a significant number of GAA people out there that don't have much time for the series anymore.
Theres has always been a lot of negative comments about it from gaa fans but that hasnt stopped huge ticket sales in the past. Seems to be a lot of fans at the games who wouldnt normally bother with the gaa.
Quote from: cavanmaniac on October 29, 2008, 03:27:50 PM
I say stage the first test of the 2009 series at Kingspan Breffni Park. Sorted.
Indeed, Breffni Park would be ideal...location, capacity, lighting, facilities etc.
Right, where is everyone headed in Melbourne before/after match?
Should be a great weekend!
Quote from: Bod Mor on October 29, 2008, 10:14:36 PM
Right, where is everyone headed in Melbourne before/after match?
Should be a great weekend!
Was in melbourne for the 2005 game, PJ O Briens in southbank is your only spot... the place was jammers after the game, and for the following few days. Should be a great time to be over there with the Melbourne cup coming up too. You lucky ballix ;)
Quote from: stiffler on October 29, 2008, 10:20:25 PM
Quote from: Bod Mor on October 29, 2008, 10:14:36 PM
Right, where is everyone headed in Melbourne before/after match?
Should be a great weekend!
Was in melbourne for the 2005 game, PJ O Briens in southbank is your only spot... the place was jammers after the game, and for the following few days. Should be a great time to be over there with the Melbourne cup coming up too. You lucky ballix ;)
im taking your advise and just did a search on google for pj o briens and its only across the road ;D. think i'll head over later for a few pints. i wasnt to sure where everyone went for a few drinks. i take it that would be the main area to have a few before the game?
Quote from: stiffler on October 29, 2008, 10:20:25 PM
Quote from: Bod Mor on October 29, 2008, 10:14:36 PM
Right, where is everyone headed in Melbourne before/after match?
Should be a great weekend!
Was in melbourne for the 2005 game, PJ O Briens in southbank is your only spot... the place was jammers after the game, and for the following few days. Should be a great time to be over there with the Melbourne cup coming up too. You lucky ballix ;)
Lads spent abit of time in melbourne. PJ's would be handy for the match but the Quiet man is out beside the racecourse and is one of the best pubs about
Work finished for the week, flying down tomorrow afternoon ;D
Lads what time in the throw in tommorrow??? Our time??
08.30 or 08.45 AFAIK
8.45am
doesn't seem to be much interest in it
thought last weeks game was very good so i'll be dossing again tomorrow ;D ;D
Heading off to Melbourne shortly.
It'll be great seeing the like of Donaghy, Cavanagh, Meehan, Bradley all on the same field! It's great value at $25 per ticket to see this entertainment compared to the price of tickets on all-Ireland final day.
I wonder will Australia having a different keeper make any difference. If Irelamd concentrate on getting a few goals early on I think we could see the Aussie's feathers ruffled.
i think ireland have a great chance, the last game was the first time i ever saw ireland make good use of the mark. theres bound to be a few more belts thrown about as well but hopefully nothing crazy. enjoy the day bm
Mickey wants to bate the head off Sean Cavanagh:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0u7-LHlwHg (towards the end)
Anyone know a link to watch it online in the North?
hopefully it will work on www.rte.ie this week.
its listed to start at 8.30 anyway
edit. its working even in the north. Hopefully the link holds
Good stuff
Its supposed to be on Setanta 1 in the UK but mine is saying the channel doesnt come on till midday for Salisbury Town v. Crawley ??? >:(
Anyone know the Ireland team?
The RTE link is working grand in the North so far
Aussie's 6-3 up
Quote from: Mickey Linden on October 31, 2008, 08:44:42 AM
Anyone know the Ireland team?
Ireland: David Gallagher; Aidan O'Mahony, Finian Hanley, John Keane; Bryan Cullen, Kevin Reilly, Ciarán McKeever; Graham Canty, Colm Begley; Enda McGinley, Seán Cavanagh, Joe McMahon; Steven McDonnell, Kieran Donaghy, Leighton Glynn.
Interchange Players: Paddy Bradley, Benny Coulter, Aaron Kernan, Ciarán Lyng, Justin McMahon, Michael Meehan, John Miskella, Paul Finlay, Marty McGrath.
Anybody got the link to setanta US?
Lads in dublin here. What frequency would I get the match ont he radio?
can someone please give us a few score updates ?
Quote from: Abble on October 31, 2008, 09:04:29 AM
can someone please give us a few score updates ?
15-9 was the last i saw before the break, in favour of the Aussies
Australia 15 - 12 Ireland
End of the first quarter.... Sean Cavanagh scored a good bit with Stevie fom Killeavy getting on the ball a lot!! Star hasn't touched leather!!!!
15-12 to aussies end of first quarter. cavanagh is flying at the minute with 3 overs, ireland were slow to start.
aus 3 up. cavanagh with three overs in first quarter. we are playing gash. stevie mc donnell, three shots two behinds one wide :-\ couple of balls kicked out from comin out of defence
couple of dodgy referee decisions
be of 1st quarter Ireland getting beat 15-12 although playin into wind! Cavanagh scored 9
Shocking wide by Stevie when he got that pass from a free kick. What was it 25 yards ?
IMHO, so far it is better than last week
Game is being played at a faster pace.
Cavanagh playing very well hitting some great scores. Stevie getting on the ball a lot but a few misses.
another push in the back no free again
16-15 to Aussies
BTW, them Aussies can get up some height
Edit
Goal by the Star
21-16
no chance to get rid of it? sure you cant hold on after the tackle ref!
Goal! Donaghey. 21 - 16
anyone know if i can get the match on fm radio in dublin?
I have 50 pound on with a boy that Australia will win so I don't know who to support.
Ireland up 25-16
27-17
Some tube ran on to the pitch with white tights on :o
hows that a mark if he didnt catch it?
Lads cracking up here cant find commentary on fm radio at all!
ireland up 36-18 mc ginley goal
36-21 to Ireland
stevie from killeavy is having a nightmare
Quote from: Mickey Linden on October 31, 2008, 09:26:46 AM
Lads cracking up here cant find commentary on fm radio at all!
Can you watch it online?
Quote from: Stalin on October 31, 2008, 09:31:28 AM
stevie from killeavy is having a nightmare
I thought he had one last week also
No dont have access to the internet a tthe minute just an fm radio! Back to the good oul days! Thought radio 1 would have coverage at least
http://www.veetle.com/viewChannel.php?cid=48e7786aaa3bd
link for online guys
I'm from the north and watching it on this link
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/mediaplayer.html (http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/mediaplayer.html)
keep the scores coming thanks
Does anyone know what time & channel the game is on in the Northern Territory, I'm guessing Channel 7 again up here in the Territory!
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on October 31, 2008, 09:37:13 AM
I'm from the north and watching it on this link
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/mediaplayer.html (http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/mediaplayer.html)
Won't work for me Max- posibly because im on a MAC.
5 metres ref!
Winning 39-26
Is the game on yet? What time and channel in the Northern Territory, Please!!!!!!!!1
It hasnt started yet. We are cumulatively making up the match as it goes along.
What a joke goal
Goal for Aussies
39-33 to Irish
Thanks, sorry bit of a dipshit, drinking all day on a farm, tv here I come, also they don't show the game live but delayed in the NT.
fuckin hell mc donnell
greedy p***k
hows that not a free on mcginley there?
Stevie is some man for the 1 pointers.
Get that man off - He's playin shite
yes! good work
atta boy Mikey Meehan, lovely skill for Bennys goal...................
some skill from meehan
score ?
set up nicely for final quarter 50-33 i think it is
50 - 33 super game...when we keep the ball fast from hand to hand and support at pacce the aussies have no answer
Come on Australia - 50 quid please!
they need to keep Mc Donnell off....brutal
Quote from: Estimator on October 31, 2008, 10:07:23 AM
Get that man off - He's playin shite
He must have been on the drink last night, cant believe how poorly he has played so far. No excuse for not passing to one of the 3 free men for a certain goal.
Great point by Donaghy at the end there, 50-33 going into the last quarter.
Coulter and Donaghy fantastic..... Not too often I say that and be pleased at the same time
You wouldnt think it was the same game or same teams as last week
Good game so far
4th quarter should be good, Aussies need to be more physical, but TBH they cant get close enough to the Irish when we are moving the ball at pace
Great 3rd quarter from Star & Benny
Carney would sicken ye as a pundit
I thought you were being a bit pessimistic.
50-36
Aussie ref is very very poor
game on now 11 in it
Bad start to qtr 4 :(
Come on Australia.
Back on the computer, the stupid p***k Brits on the farm & a fkn whinin Frenchy won't let me watch it coz they having a Holloween Fancy dress, told the pricks that Holloween (Samhain) was Irish and to fck off. Pricks >:( How is it going now.
That Aussie ref is a biased p***k..................................................................
10 in it we are in bother
Quote from: Son_of_Sam on October 31, 2008, 10:20:49 AM
Back on the computer, the stupid p***k Brits on the farm & a fkn whinin Frenchy won't let me watch it coz they having a Holloween Fancy dress, told the pricks that Holloween (Samhain) was Irish and to fck off. Pricks >:( How is it going now.
You do no salvery was abolished?
Ireland could easily lose this, the way they are playing!
we have got the breaks today
9 in it
Holy Jesus, whats the score?
why is mcdonnell still on? :-[
51 - 41
cant see us winning now, epic capitulation
how many fcukin steps did he take before he offloaded it!!
Carried it a mile!
How longs left???
How did he get away with carrying it that length???
The Irish lads are tryin to be too clever at times!
coulterrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Go on Australia. Aussie, Aussie, Aussie oi, oi, oi.
Cmon Coulter!!!!!!!!!!!
51-47
Aussie goal
57 - 47 Benny C with the goal
8 left
Quote from: corn02 on October 31, 2008, 10:22:44 AM
Quote from: Son_of_Sam on October 31, 2008, 10:20:49 AM
Back on the computer, the stupid p***k Brits on the farm & a fkn whinin Frenchy won't let me watch it coz they having a Holloween Fancy dress, told the pricks that Holloween (Samhain) was Irish and to fck off. Pricks >:( How is it going now.
You do no salvery was abolished?
Don't get that!
we've got it together again
The refs a humpy biased wee p#ick!!
Come on Ireland, fckn hate to see those Cocky Ozzies win, COME ON IRELAND.
we got a decision :o
Cheating f**king ref
Aussie Ref Shock - He gives a decision to Ireland
Canty playin very well at the minute. Need to keep it tight.
Mc Donnell kicks another wide :(
glynn cavanagh coulter three stars of series.
probably cavanagh gets it
stevie mc should get the boob award if there is one
Another shot by Stevie - another wide
They Ozzies are the most self-obsessed country in the World, more than the Yanks, they cheat in sport & moan when they lose. Love beating the Ozzies every time I can bowling, running, chess, drinking, poker, every chance I get. Yet to lose to the fckrs.
what. the. fcuk.
Score update lads, thanks.
Quote from: Son_of_Sam on October 31, 2008, 10:34:33 AM
They Ozzies are the most self-obsessed country in the World, more than the Yanks, they cheat in sport & moan when they lose. Love beating the Ozzies every time I can bowling, running, chess, drinking, poker, every chance I get. Yet to lose to the fckrs.
They should make this an Olympic event.
Aussie Goal! 4 in it. The pressures on!!
Jesus - What was Cullen doin?
time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
57 - 53
Quote from: Jinxy on October 31, 2008, 10:35:49 AM
Quote from: Son_of_Sam on October 31, 2008, 10:34:33 AM
They Ozzies are the most self-obsessed country in the World, more than the Yanks, they cheat in sport & moan when they lose. Love beating the Ozzies every time I can bowling, running, chess, drinking, poker, every chance I get. Yet to lose to the fckrs.
They should make this an Olympic event.
Just pissed off with the Brits & French, the alcohol is making it spill out on the Ozzies who are wankers when it comes to sport. Christ a good night ruined coz they would not let me watch the last fn quater.
phew! ireland win by 4
57 53 to Ireland . Well done to the Lads. Fantastic!
Raging - 50 snoops!
Thank fck for that, good night lads.
A tyrone man and a kerry man hugging at the end :D :D :D :D :D :D
Did they not add Glynn's score at the end?
Quote from: corn02 on October 31, 2008, 10:38:27 AM
Raging - 50 snoops!
You shouldn't be betting against your country corn!!
Missed gettin Ireland at 7-2 after 5 mins. Ragin! Got them at 6-5.
Quote from: full back on October 31, 2008, 10:39:31 AM
Did they not add Glynn's score at the end?
naw he was adjudged to have pushed his man in the back ::)
there carney goes again with that 'manifest'
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on October 31, 2008, 10:38:48 AM
A tyrone man and a kerry man hugging at the end
What an outrage, this has to cease! ;)
Great to see the win today. Well done to all involved.
No doubt Sean will feel proud when he collects the "Cormac".
Ye ha
Well done to Ireland. Without the Armagh men they would have won by a few more as well ;D. Canty made some great catches at the back there.
Aussies will need to get a proper goalie for the next series.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on October 31, 2008, 10:42:35 AM
Well done to Ireland. Without the Armagh men they would have won by a few more as well ;D. Canty made some great catches at the back there.
Aussies will need to get a proper goalie for the next series.
They should get Bosnich in
Carney described the game as 'sanitised' and the pattern certainly bears out that if the Aussies play clean and refrain from the thuggery, Ireland will generally best them.
Kevin Sheedy might be a mouthy p#ick, but his tactics, whether we liked them or not, won the series for them and you always get the impression that if the Aussies upped the pysical stakes agian, the Irish would get it very difficult.
Far better game today. if the Auses took thier chances they could have won it but we missed a few easy ones too, Stevie have a bit of a nightmare but he still won plenty of ball.. Good to see Benny scoe two!!! Canty is a rock of a man and i thought that Selwood played well for the Aussies!!! Nicky Breenan will be a happy man!
Canty just named player of the series. Thought cavanagh would have been slightly favourite.
Quote from: Stalin on October 31, 2008, 10:34:05 AM
glynn cavanagh coulter three stars of series.
probably cavanagh gets it
stevie mc should get the boob award if there is one
dave gallagher , Mc Ginley and Canty also excellent. Star also very influential.
I would give it to McGinley.
Thought Glynn played very well today
Benny did alright for a boy that was injured all week :D
Who were the 3 boys left out?
Please tell me there are highlights on tv tonight lads?
half nine i think!!!!!
9.35 on RTE
Quote from: full back on October 31, 2008, 10:50:32 AM
Thought Glynn played very well today
Benny did alright for a boy that was injured all week :D
Who were the 3 boys left out?
benny had to get injections in his back to play there tonight.
lyng went home to play for his club. o neill and parsons were the other two left out.
Excellent win by Ireland despite a few ropey spells.
Canty was magnificent also Cavanagh,Glynn(will he move to Kildare I wonder :P),Coulter and Donaghy.
Australia got 2 illegal goals( 12 or 14 steps before the 2nd) while we probably got one illegal - Meehan pulled down a lad who hadnt the ball.
It's one fast exciting brand of football but I suppose 4 games every 3 years is plentyall the same -keep the appetite whetted.
I wonder will our game pick up any new ideas or tactics from this years's series ?
Good stuff highlights at 9.35 then!
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 31, 2008, 11:10:00 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on October 31, 2008, 11:01:57 AM
half nine i think!!!!!
Nope, half eight on RTE2:
GAA International Rules
Michael Lyster introduces the second match in this year's International Rules Test series between Ireland and Australia from the MCG in Melbourne
RTE2 Schedule here (http://www.rte.ie/tv/listing.html?channel=132)
I think you're referring to this morning's programme there Fear.
It's 9.35 TONIGHT after the "big" soccer game between Bray and Cobh.
Hopefully people will be ableo survive the excitement of that encounter and are still able to wath the Intl Rules. :D
You're correct Rossfan, just copped that :)
9:35 it is
Were are all the complainers from last week? Great game, suppose you have to expect it to take a bit of time for the players to adjust for the differences in the game but today showed that when its played right it can be good to watch. Fair play to the Irish lads, they were excellent today. Were able to match the Aussies for fitness and strength.
Watch out Mickey here comes Francie ;)
Yeah highlights at 9:30.
Thought canty put in a solid no nonsense performance and Glynn's ability and overall workrate was tremendous. All in all it was a decent team performance from the lads. But i think the game was lacking that little bit of spark ie it was dilluted too much to the extent there was hardly no hitting at all. I don't agree with the extremes that happened at Croker last time but i think a better compromise could be found. It was the first tie i have ever seen the aussies playing without heart. This was a direct result of the rules changes concerning players getting in the faces of others. I think the game has swayed too much in the favour of the Irish But take nothing away from our lads. It was a job well done.
I also likes their policies on streakers etc. After the two lads that invaded the pitch were apprehended a message swiftly went up on the huge screens saying "There would be a 6,000 dollar fine for the next to enter the field of play illegally" Brilliant :D :D
Quote from: Rossfan on October 31, 2008, 11:14:05 AM
I wonder will our game pick up any new ideas or tactics from this years's series ?
what sort of thing do you think might translate?
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on October 31, 2008, 11:20:13 AM
Were are all the complainers from last week?
Didn't you have enough of it last week, want some more eh? :P
Nothing's changed (for me)... OK as far as it goes, and good to see Ireland win, and well done to them, but could be so much better.
Quote from: The GAA on October 31, 2008, 11:24:22 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 31, 2008, 11:14:05 AM
I wonder will our game pick up any new ideas or tactics from this years's series ?
what sort of thing do you think might translate?
More movement of the ball and less of the 12 men defences??
However the big difference between Intl Rules and football is that in fooball if you arse around long enough with the ball you're bound to get a free so there's no real imperitive on moving it fast.
I dont suppose we'll see the 4 handpass rule being adopted :(
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on October 31, 2008, 11:20:13 AM
Were are all the complainers from last week? Great game, suppose you have to expect it to take a bit of time for the players to adjust for the differences in the game but today showed that when its played right it can be good to watch. Fair play to the Irish lads, they were excellent today. Were able to match the Aussies for fitness and strength.
Right here. What's up?
and you'd wonder why the Moy can't win intermediate championships with that man? ;) Expect the australians to bate the living daylights out of them in Dublin next year and she'll be abandoned again - its a well marketed load of keek that distractyed many of the best players in the land from playing with their clubs. We should be playing international Gaerlic football not GAA lite or Ozzie rule lite. Gaelic football is the best of the 2 games so we should not feel inferior to the other - just because some idiots are prepared to pay them to play their hobbies. As for Brennan its probably been his biggest success. ::)
Quote from: bridgegael on October 31, 2008, 11:12:52 AM
Quote from: full back on October 31, 2008, 10:50:32 AM
Thought Glynn played very well today
Benny did alright for a boy that was injured all week :D
Who were the 3 boys left out?
benny had to get injections in his back to play there tonight.
lyng went home to play for his club. o neill and parsons were the other two left out.
Wasnt being critical of him ::)
Thought he was very good
I was saying if that is what he is like while injured, imagine if he was firing on all cylinders
Did Lyng know he was going home to play for his club?
Why did he go out in the first place?
Quote from: rrhf on October 31, 2008, 11:35:02 AM
We should be playing international Gaerlic football . ::)
Against who exactly?
Quote from: full back on October 31, 2008, 11:35:55 AM
Quote from: bridgegael on October 31, 2008, 11:12:52 AM
Quote from: full back on October 31, 2008, 10:50:32 AM
Thought Glynn played very well today
Benny did alright for a boy that was injured all week :D
Who were the 3 boys left out?
benny had to get injections in his back to play there tonight.
lyng went home to play for his club. o neill and parsons were the other two left out.
Wasnt being critical of him ::)
Thought he was very good
I was saying if that is what he is like while injured, imagine if he was firing on all cylinders
Did Lyng know he was going home to play for his club?
Why did he go out in the first place?
oh i knew you weren't, was just sayin wat he had to do to play.
don't know wat the craic with lyng was maybe someone else could clarify it.
Fair play to lyng in exposing the pressures that these experiments put on an amateur player, when the powers that be are promoting the junket of a lifetime over club football, it can be tough but he eventually withstood the temptation to remain out there and he came back to his club - guys like that, and Tommy Walsh and Ronan Clarke are the real GAA. Dont begrudge any of the players a free holiday but it shouldnt be at the expense of the tail end of the much maligned club season and should be the reward for the all stars team.
What was the story with Lyng?
What are you referring to rrhf?
Great win for ireland. But Ger Ganning talks some shite lads, overall RTE i think did a poor job, 5 seconds of the players celebrating, whats that about
Fair play to him for going out there and taking someone's place in the squad and then coming home early?
Quote from: winsamsoon on October 31, 2008, 11:23:57 AM
But i think the game was lacking that little bit of spark ie it was dilluted too much to the extent there was hardly no hitting at all. I don't agree with the extremes that happened at Croker last time but i think a better compromise could be found. It was the first tie i have ever seen the aussies playing without heart. This was a direct result of the rules changes concerning players getting in the faces of others. I think the game has swayed too much in the favour of the Irish But take nothing away from our lads. It was a job well done.
People can't seem to be clear about which they prefer. Aussies played today with plenty of legal aggression (for IR anyway) as far as I could see, all that was 'missing' was the illegal stuff like late tackles, wrestling, shoving heads in the turf, pinning guys after the tackle - the general niggle stuff they usually resort to. They kept going right to the end and were genuinely disappointed to lose at the finish, too often their lack of kicking skills let them down but they were mostly hampered by not having a big mark-claimer in front of our goals like they've had in other years. I didn't think they played without heart, just without dirt, there's a difference IMHO.
The Aussies will learn selection lessons from this, be better prepared for next year and then it'll look like the game has 'swayed' back too far in their favour again. Sometimes, teams lose simply because the other one is better, not because the rules are skewed.
Quote from: rrhf on October 31, 2008, 11:35:02 AM
and you'd wonder why the Moy can't win intermediate championships with that man? ;) Expect the australians to bate the living daylights out of them in Dublin next year and she'll be abandoned again - its a well marketed load of keek that distractyed many of the best players in the land from playing with their clubs. We should be playing international Gaerlic football not GAA lite or Ozzie rule lite. Gaelic football is the best of the 2 games so we should not feel inferior to the other - just because some idiots are prepared to pay them to play their hobbies. As for Brennan its probably been his biggest success. ::)
1. How many other countries have enough Gaelic football teams to field an 'International' team to compete. Outside Ireland it is just played by ex-pats and some second generation irish. Why don't we just play the Aussies or the French even the Chinese at international Hurling? We are bound to win those :D :D
2. The Aussies will probably see things differently. Maybe we should just play one game Gaelic football and one Aussie rules and see who wins ;)
We should be supporting the growth of Gaelic football in the many countries of the world from every country in Europe to the US and indeed the Australian clubs, undoubtedly there could be an international element to Gaelic football. But for any idiot to come on here and describe this as Gaelic football - they wouldnt know a pig from a gammon. It might be fun to watch but how is this in any way supporting Gaeliic football? Its great to watch these guys playing another sport but put it like this if they were all playing rugby or golf would we be watching it just because they are playing it. My answer is a no, but again theres a few on here would follow these guys if they weent to the local swimming pool.
Quote from: rrhf on October 31, 2008, 11:41:50 AM
Fair play to lyng in exposing the pressures that these experiments put on an amateur player, when the powers that be are promoting the junket of a lifetime over club football, it can be tough but he eventually withstood the temptation to remain out there and he came back to his club
What do you mean by this rrhf?
I'm not sure how anyone who watched that match objectively could say it wasnt very a good game and exciting to watch. I'd say it was much better than plenty of championship mathces this year. Why shouldnt the best players who have stuck with the gaa get a chance to play for Ireland if they want to? Its a nice reward for ameteur players who if were playing other sports could be professional. Its good to see the very best gaa players coming together and showing what they can do. Some great support play and great scores. There is no other outlet for these guys internationally. I wouldnt argue that it should take preference to club football though. But surely with good planning it can be worked round for 2 weekends in the year.
Quote from: Top of the hill on October 31, 2008, 11:47:55 AM
... Outside Ireland it is just played by ex-pats and some second generation irish.
Sorry TOTH, but that's just plain wrong. For example, a pal of mine (and I know I'm repeating myself here) refereed in France last year, and there wasn't a single native English speaker on
either team, not one.
You're symptomatic of the problem here: the glass is always half-empty (where International Gaelic Games is concerned).
Listen that guy must have been torn between the sunny holiday at the other side of the world and his club commitments, in this way he was able I suppose to have a week of the craic and then return to his clubs needs. Sean Cavanagh would have had a terrible choice to make between his club in the Ulster championship or the big trip. How could any club compete with this. My main argument is about timetabling - If its kept out of the club season then I have very little against it except I prefer when the GAA promotes Gaelic football and hurling and other Irish games, but it is what it is and it aint what it aint, and each to their own. I have to wash the dog here so I suppose my final line on it is that there are those within GAelic Games right up to the top who aspire to be associated with professional sports. They feel that association makes them apear more polished, more professional, and more excited. They would rather be associated with playing a hybrid sport against a professional organiastaion rather that their own sport against their fellow amateurs distributed throughout the world who have worked minor miracles in establishing club and administrative structures amongst the diaspora and the locals. I would love to seriously help these guys to establish an international network of our games, beacuse they do a damnsight more to promote it against the odds than this particular junket. We can still have the guys having all the joys of representing Ireland but playing their own game against similar sportsmen with an amateur ethos.
Just noticed this, is are any protection in place to protection in place for the gaa players? I would really hate to see anyone being unfairly hurt like what happened in the lat series. Do the ozzies just get a snap on the hand if they try and take of a irish mans head??
Quote from: Rossfan on October 31, 2008, 11:33:38 AM
Quote from: The GAA on October 31, 2008, 11:24:22 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 31, 2008, 11:14:05 AM
I wonder will our game pick up any new ideas or tactics from this years's series ?
what sort of thing do you think might translate?
More movement of the ball and less of the 12 men defences??
However the big difference between Intl Rules and football is that in fooball if you arse around long enough with the ball you're bound to get a free so there's no real imperitive on moving it fast.
I dont suppose we'll see the 4 handpass rule being adopted :(
sure that's a major part of the tactics in the international rules
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 31, 2008, 11:58:41 AM
Quote from: Top of the hill on October 31, 2008, 11:47:55 AM
... Outside Ireland it is just played by ex-pats and some second generation irish.
Sorry TOTH, but that's just plain wrong. For example, a pal of mine (and I know I'm repeating myself here) refereed in France last year, and there wasn't a single native English speaker on either team, not one.
You're symptomatic of the problem here: the glass is always half-empty (where International Gaelic Games is concerned).
Fair enough, i concede the point on that one. I should have said mostly played by ex-pats etc.
But my point was not about who plays Gealic games outside Ireland, it was about the number of people playing and the standard. To say that we should be playing International Gaelic football is not feasible as I don't believe that there is any country that could field a Gaelic (or Hurling) team that could compete with an Ireland team.
I'm all for promoting gaelic games outside ireland and think it is great to see games played between natives of the countries involved (like in your French example). However if you take the a team of the best Native French gaelic footballers and play an 'international' match against the Ireland team that has just beaten the Aussies they would not be able to compete. If you want to call that a glass half-empty viewpoint that's up to you.
I'm glad it's over - timing is a big problem - club commitments are a real problem - someone earlier said that this trip was constituted from the best players in Ireland. Simply not right.
It may have beem made up of "some" of the best players that were who made themselves available for selection. Some of the rest were getting foundered in and embarassed by the cold showers in Fermoy last week.
It's really assuring to see all the top brass in Australia having a ball, whilst the poorer relations of GAA, those who attended to play the interprovincials last weekend couldn't even get a warm shower.
An absolute disgrace which not many can argue with !
It took 2 expensive trips to Dubai to organise this hybrid thing were they had to come up with new rules and everything for a brand new game. Should be a lot easier if we are playing Gaelic. Did the guys who started up FIFA worry about the ability of the Irish to play the game at the start. Too many negatives, but what atremendous Irish festival it could be around the world. The Gaelic Games world Cup every 4 years. For feck sdake look at the divisions of strength within our own country, if ye went out with that attitude ye wouldnt even have an all ireland or it would be for Ulster teams only. ;)
1st Gaelic World Cup final ROI v NI :P A truely international festival (acc. to Gregory Campbell anyway)
Quote from: Top of the hill on October 31, 2008, 12:15:41 PM
I'm all for promoting gaelic games outside ireland and think it is great to see games played between natives of the countries involved (like in your French example). However if you take the a team of the best Native French gaelic footballers and play an 'international' match against the Ireland team that has just beaten the Aussies they would not be able to compete. If you want to call that a glass half-empty viewpoint that's up to you.
It wouldn't have to be an Ireland team. It could be club teams from Ireland playing France, London, Austrailla, New York etc.
Did the GAA drill a hole in that galss?
So the competition wouldn't be available for all players to aspire to play in?
Quote from: youngfella on October 31, 2008, 12:09:14 PM
Just noticed this, is are any protection in place to protection in place for the gaa players? I would really hate to see anyone being unfairly hurt like what happened in the lat series. Do the ozzies just get a snap on the hand if they try and take of a irish mans head??
Christ Almighty youngfella, will you compose yourself before you start to type!
Quote from: The GAA on October 31, 2008, 12:44:55 PM
So the competition wouldn't be available for all players to aspire to play in?
If you are French you could aspire to play in it. Is this not about promoting the game internationally or is it about more for Irish players to play for other than a club or county championship?
Quote from: wherefromreferee? on October 31, 2008, 12:47:11 PM
Quote from: youngfella on October 31, 2008, 12:09:14 PM
Just noticed this, is there any protection in place to protection in place for the gaa players? I would really hate to see anyone being unfairly hurt like what happened in the lat series. Do the ozzies just get a snap on the hand if they try and take of a irish mans head??
Christ Almighty youngfella, will you compose yourself before you start to type!
Your right mate, That was a slip up on the scale of rossy and brand
Quote from: wherefromreferee? on October 31, 2008, 12:47:11 PM
Quote from: youngfella on October 31, 2008, 12:09:14 PM
Just noticed this, is are any protection in place to protection in place for the gaa players? I would really hate to see anyone being unfairly hurt like what happened in the lat series. Do the ozzies just get a snap on the hand if they try and take of a irish mans head??
Christ Almighty youngfella, will you compose yourself before you start to type!
Nice re-edit there youngfella ;)
Changing the 'are' to 'there'
;D
Being unable to watch the match, I wasnt able to get excited about the win.
Its a bit like Test cricket. We won. So what?
Does anybody seriously think that with the competition and attraction from other professionally paid sports out there, enough native French etc. people are ever going to dedicate themselves to gaelic games for the duration of time and effort it would take to have a team capable of playing a native Irish one in a meaningful GAA game? It's a total pipe dream.
If the GAA ever got their games to a position in a foreign country where significant enough numbers even took it up as a hobby, that would be an amazing achievement in itself given all the other sports they'd likely play ahead of it (and get paid in some cases), but as for getting people up to a standard to compete with our own guys, forget it.
Quote from: Top of the hill on October 31, 2008, 12:15:41 PM
I'm all for promoting gaelic games outside ireland and think it is great to see games played between natives of the countries involved (like in your French example). However if you take the a team of the best Native French gaelic footballers and play an 'international' match against the Ireland team that has just beaten the Aussies they would not be able to compete. If you want to call that a glass half-empty viewpoint that's up to you.
There you go again, negative, negative, negative... ;)
Why can't we look at what we have and look to build upon it, instead of bemoaning what we don't have and stewing upon it?
Why can't we have 100% confidence, faith and belief in our product, the product that is Gaelic Games, a product that has been inherently attractive enough to motivate non-Irish to play and participate fully in it?
Why do we think our product is so inferior that we need to involve the AFL at all?
If Cusack, Davin, Mc Kay,
et al had listened to the nay-sayers, pessimists and doom-mongers in 1884 (and there were plenty of them) as they gathered in Hayes Hotel in Thurles we'd all still be playing soccer, rugby or cricket. And they were faced with a much more daunting prospect.
Quote from: orangeman on October 31, 2008, 12:25:24 PM
I'm glad it's over - timing is a big problem - club commitments are a real problem - someone earlier said that this trip was constituted from the best players in Ireland. Simply not right.
It may have beem made up of "some" of the best players that were who made themselves available for selection. Some of the rest were getting foundered in and embarassed by the cold showers in Fermoy last week.
It's really assuring to see all the top brass in Australia having a ball, whilst the poorer relations of GAA, those who attended to play the interprovincials last weekend couldn't even get a warm shower.
An absolute disgrace which not many can argue with !
Sorry OM I could argue with that. How has the cold showers in Fermoy anything to do with the IR? Prob more to do with someone forgetting to turn on the water heating!! God knows it happens enough in our club!!
To me the two don't have to be exclusive. Should the GAA put more into promoting the IP's? Course, but it's not the IR's fault they don't.
it is, Mr Brennan is not a great multi tasker. It was the whole shebang to Australia or nothing. We are alike civic dignatories when we travel - a sporting fact finding mission if ye will.
Quote from: The GAA on October 31, 2008, 11:24:22 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 31, 2008, 11:14:05 AM
I wonder will our game pick up any new ideas or tactics from this years's series ?
what sort of thing do you think might translate?
how many frees are there in a typical 70 minute game of gaelic with no tackle allowed? how many were there in todays game with a legal tackle?
thought it was a great game today the speed of the game was unreal, there were great performances from canty, cavanagh, coulter donaghy and glynn in particular. the crowd of 42,800 looked a bit lost in the mcg so croker is not the only place with that problem! some craic in melbourne tonight :D
Quote from: cavanmaniac on October 31, 2008, 01:19:31 PM
If the GAA ever got their games to a position in a foreign country where significant enough numbers even took it up as a hobby, that would be an amazing achievement in itself given all the other sports they'd likely play ahead of it (and get paid in some cases), but as for getting people up to a standard to compete with our own guys, forget it.
The standard of our own guys varies and they are all ranked to suit their ability. They play teams ranked with similar ability making it competitive. This could be done internationally. We don't need them to be as good as our best to get a competitive competition we just need to need the right people for the right job. Division 3 club teams are not as good as the Inter county teams but it is as competitive.
Quote from: supersarsfields on October 31, 2008, 01:32:58 PM
Quote from: orangeman on October 31, 2008, 12:25:24 PM
I'm glad it's over - timing is a big problem - club commitments are a real problem - someone earlier said that this trip was constituted from the best players in Ireland. Simply not right.
It may have beem made up of "some" of the best players that were who made themselves available for selection. Some of the rest were getting foundered in and embarassed by the cold showers in Fermoy last week.
It's really assuring to see all the top brass in Australia having a ball, whilst the poorer relations of GAA, those who attended to play the interprovincials last weekend couldn't even get a warm shower.
An absolute disgrace which not many can argue with !
Sorry OM I could argue with that. How has the cold showers in Fermoy anything to do with the IR? Prob more to do with someone forgetting to turn on the water heating!! God knows it happens enough in our club!!
To me the two don't have to be exclusive. Should the GAA put more into promoting the IP's? Course, but it's not the IR's fault they don't.
The trip was organised by Croke Park and a team of officials who travelled to Dubai and Australia beforehand to make sure every little detail ( including checking that the showers were working ) was worked out.
It wasn't a case that somenbody forgot to turn the water heating on - the showers DIDN'T WORK !!!!!!!
The inter pro series aren't important to the top brass in Croke Park -
Fermoy in October just doesn't have the same appeal as Perth !!!!!!!!
In fairness lads, I got to watch both games in Oz and I thought that this years servings was much better that any previous attempts . Bear in mind that our natural instinct is to always think GAA rules when watching this format which rubs a few up the wrong way, in particular the purists.
Allowing yourself to shelve our rules lets the positives of this hybrid game come to the forefront, in particular the old Kick and catch skills that are slowly disappearing in the modern GAA game.
As for the brass in Oz, why begrudge them, in fairness officials need to attend because if anything goes wrong they are needed. If they are absent you won't be long until your reading questions asked of their whereabouts on this board. also the question about the location when agreeing the rules, who are we to demand the Aussies to come to Ireland for a cup of tea, a biscuit and a natter in Croker ? - Half way house is fairest and if it happens to be a nice place to visit so be it.
As for showers in Fermoy - this is unfortunate but hardly the fault of anyone other than those associated with the grounds whose responsibility it is to ensure everything is in working order.
Roll on next year, the competition as presented in Oz has a life - I reckon this years fare will have won over a few supporters.
Yeah but my point is that whether or not the GAA have any interest in the IP doesn't depend on the IR.
So I don't understand why people need to slate the IR saying that it's killing the IP. If you want to have a go at the GAA about neglecting the IP then fair enough, no one could argue with that. They should be doing alot more.
That's not to say it should be at the cost of the IR tho.
Quote from: Zapatista on October 31, 2008, 01:42:02 PM
Quote from: cavanmaniac on October 31, 2008, 01:19:31 PM
If the GAA ever got their games to a position in a foreign country where significant enough numbers even took it up as a hobby, that would be an amazing achievement in itself given all the other sports they'd likely play ahead of it (and get paid in some cases), but as for getting people up to a standard to compete with our own guys, forget it.
The standard of our own guys varies and they are all ranked to suit their ability. They play teams ranked with similar ability making it competitive. This could be done internationally. We don't need them to be as good as our best to get a competitive competition we just need to need the right people for the right job. Division 3 club teams are not as good as the Inter county teams but it is as competitive.
Careful there Zap, you're applying yourself and using a little imagination; how dare you be so positive, don't you know that that's totallly forbidden except where the 'International Rules' is concerned? ;)
Quote from: supersarsfields on October 31, 2008, 01:48:44 PM
Yeah but my point is that whether or not the GAA have any interest in the IP doesn't depend on the IR.
So I don't understand why people need to slate the IR saying that it's killing the IP. If you want to have a go at the GAA about neglecting the IP then fair enough, no one could argue with that. They should be doing alot more.
That's not to say it should be at the cost of the IR tho.
I think the point is that the IR is taking away from the resourses needed for the IP.
Quote from: Zapatista on October 31, 2008, 01:52:57 PM
I think the point is that the IR is taking away from the resourses needed for the IP.
Don't think so, there was no IR last year to blame and the IP was a shambles to watch in Croker, I was there and a poor crowd showed that nobody has much interest. This is also bourne out with the pathetic attendances this year. It's the public that need to talk with their feet.
Quote from: BigJohnBrowne on October 31, 2008, 01:57:02 PM
Quote from: Zapatista on October 31, 2008, 01:52:57 PM
I think the point is that the IR is taking away from the resourses needed for the IP.
Don't think so, there was no IR last year to blame and the IP was a shambles to watch in Croker, I was there and a poor crowd showed that nobody has much interest. This is also bourne out with the pathetic attendances this year. It's the public that need to talk with their feet.
I see, then there should be no need to promote the National League or the "Best Champioship in the World" either.
TG that is over and out othe way. Nickey and Padraig were making strange waves with their statements, reported today. Nickey tell us that what he said and what he got slated for saying about the IP was not what he said at all. Jesus Nickey what planet are you in? Them fecing journalists are reading your mind again!!!!
He also nominates SB to be manager next year although he will not be boss and says he will have to discuss it with the next Pres. Will Christy be his own man and make his own decision or be the third worst president in a row?
I read today that Cavanagh places playing for Ireland above his 3 All Irelands for Tyrone.
In fairness it's too easy to blame the IR as taking away from the IP.
As BJB said there was no IR last year and the IP's didn't set the world alight.
To me both should be viewed seperately.
Quote from: BigJohnBrowne on October 31, 2008, 01:57:02 PM
Quote from: Zapatista on October 31, 2008, 01:52:57 PM
I think the point is that the IR is taking away from the resourses needed for the IP.
Don't think so, there was no IR last year to blame and the IP was a shambles to watch in Croker, I was there and a poor crowd showed that nobody has much interest. This is also bourne out with the pathetic attendances this year. It's the public that need to talk with their feet.
At least they brought it to a venue where the showers were working ! ;) ;) ;) Shambles ? I was there and I wouldn't have described it as a shambles - not at all - I really enjoyed it.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 31, 2008, 01:31:03 PM
Quote from: Top of the hill on October 31, 2008, 12:15:41 PM
I'm all for promoting gaelic games outside ireland and think it is great to see games played between natives of the countries involved (like in your French example). However if you take the a team of the best Native French gaelic footballers and play an 'international' match against the Ireland team that has just beaten the Aussies they would not be able to compete. If you want to call that a glass half-empty viewpoint that's up to you.
There you go again, negative, negative, negative... ;)
Why can't we look at what we have and look to build upon it, instead of bemoaning what we don't have and stewing upon it?
Why can't we have 100% confidence, faith and belief in our product, the product that is Gaelic Games, a product that has been inherently attractive enough to motivate non-Irish to play and participate fully in it?
Why do we think our product is so inferior that we need to involve the AFL at all?
If Cusack, Davin, Mc Kay, et al had listened to the nay-sayers, pessimists and doom-mongers in 1884 (and there were plenty of them) as they gathered in Hayes Hotel in Thurles we'd all still be playing soccer, rugby or cricket. And they were faced with a much more daunting prospect.
Ok let me put it another way - I'm POSITIVE they wouldn't be able to compete. Happy now ;)
The GAA's Director General Pauric Duffy says counties will be severely punished if they break new rules pertaining to the closed season.
Collective training and challenge games are no longer permitted during the months of November and December.
"All counties have been written to and told that there will be no challenges as and from November 1 and there will be no collective training allowed," said the Monaghan native.
"We have made it clear that this is the system in place. If county boards are organising sessions we will raise it with them and take action.
"It was agreed that heavy sanctions will be imposed through funding and other penalties like not turning on the showers before any of these illegal training sessions We have already used this sanction of not turning on the showers in Fermoy last weekend when the Interprovincial competition was bring held. We have been trying to kill off this series for a long time and hopefully provinces will now take the hint !."
See what I mean now ? ;)
All in all lads i think it is another fine example of the hiearchy of our organisation( "founded to promote national and cultural identity" ) not having concern for club teams. This is and increasingly worrying problem within the GAA. Our local clubs teams are becoming more and more isolated from the structures and plans of the inter county scene and now the international scene. The GAA are walking a very tight rope here because they are messing with the loyalities of the most important people within the GAA. Without the clubs all over Ireland and their followers there would be no GAA. The mangement teams at the to should take a step back and realise his and incoorporate the clubs into all decisions ie realising that an international rules series at the end of October would clash with a lot of club championships. After all the Aussies have waited till the end of their season so as players won't miss any club duties.
The continued isolaion of the club teams in Ireland will be ok in the short term but the long term effects will be very damaging to the GAA. You will see the GAA moving away from a more family orientated and cultural sport. This is already happening when we see many people following county teams but have no allegiance to any clubs. The reason they have no allegiance to local clubs is because they are constantly being bombarded by county boards promoting county games and totally ignoring the club scene. They are also bypassing the club scene because there is a general dillution of culture in society as a whole.
Lyng goin back to play for his club was his own persoanl choice and for that i won't criticise the lad. But in all seriousness he shouldn't have had to make this choice. No club player in Ireland should be ask to choose between their club and country. There are not many other sports in the world that would ak their players to do this. Especially an organistion founded on nationalistic and cultural principles. The choice is a direct contradiction of the founding principles.These principles in essence come from the clubs, neglect the clubs and you will see serious problems for the future.
PD speaking as if his house was in total order. He loves to be heard and like the GPA will invent just to be publically quoted.
We seen the mess he created with his side kick CM in Cork last year when they conceded all and handed over the keys to what we have today
Winsamsoon I presume you got feed back from the club forum held in CP earlier this year to improve relationship with the clubs. There was lots of critism of CP at that forum
If you have the feedback can you post it please.
Haven't got a chance to watch the game yet, but my Dad recorded it for me. He wouldn't be the biggest fan of the game, but he said it was a fantastic game of football. Said Canavagh, Star and Coulter were brilliant.
I agree with rrfh, this isn't promoting Gaelic Games or Australian Rules Football, but if it's enjoyable... so what?
Can't understand people said they want some of the violences back..... were you the ones complaining in 2005 and 2006 about the antics of the Aussies?
Congratulations Ireland :)
Quote from: Zapatista on October 31, 2008, 01:42:02 PM
The standard of our own guys varies and they are all ranked to suit their ability. They play teams ranked with similar ability making it competitive. This could be done internationally. We don't need them to be as good as our best to get a competitive competition we just need to need the right people for the right job. Division 3 club teams are not as good as the Inter county teams but it is as competitive.
....Careful there Zap, you're applying yourself and using a little imagination; how dare you be so positive, don't you know that that's totallly forbidden except where the 'International Rules' is concerned? ;)....
I had of course thought of that FoSB, I do have some imagination! This could of course work on some level, I know that. But ask yourself, if the public can't be bothered turning out to watch some of the best footballers and hurlers in each province playing each other every year, then why would they be tickled at the prospect of a mixture of players from weaker counties taking on some very amateurish players from foreign countries? How would the players themselves react to being singled out and identified as 'weaker' players to go and play with the little boys across the water? Would they buy into a concept like that?
Even beyond there, do you think the GAA has either the will, the personnel/resources or even the culture of professionalism and streamlined organisation, not to mention an ambitious think-outside-the-box mentality, to even envisage developing GAA on this scale? They most certainly have none of the above and domestic matters, and a small harmless enough jolly in Australia (when played like this year) every two years is as much as they can fit on their plate or want to fit on their plate for that matter.
The Interpros could easily be moved to another point in the calendar (Paddy's Day like Joe Kernan says, or between minor and senior games on All-Ireland final day as discussed in Antoise's thread elsewhere) and I wish they got better attention because both can exist independently. The only reason IR comes into the Inter-pro discussion every year is because they stage them at the same time, there is and shouldn't be any other relationship between the two. Both can co-exist peacefully and prosper!
Remember, one man's realism is another man's negativity, one's man's positivity is another's rose-tinted spectacles.
Anyway, we both know each other's views by now, and this is a thread for the IR after all, so I'm happy to agree to disagree!
Quote from: winsamsoon on October 31, 2008, 02:39:15 PM
Lyng goin back to play for his club was his own persoanl choice and for that i won't criticise the lad. But in all seriousness he shouldn't have had to make this choice. No club player in Ireland should be ask to choose between their club and country. There are not many other sports in the world that would ak their players to do this. Especially an organistion founded on nationalistic and cultural principles. The choice is a direct contradiction of the founding principles.These principles in essence come from the clubs, neglect the clubs and you will see serious problems for the future.
Just seeing your post now, I agree with this part of it. But nobody is grasping the nettle that is grossly inefficient county boards parking their club programmes for weeks at a time every summer while their county team is involved in championship. Even in Cavan where we were out in round one of the qualifiers, our county SFC final was played in mid-October! I ask you, with scheduling like that is it any wonder there's a clash between club/International Rules/Interpros every year?
And then everyone cries for competitions to be abolished when a bit of tighter scheduling and strict policing by Croke Park would solve all the problems at a stroke.
Quote from: cavanmaniac on October 31, 2008, 02:58:26 PM
Anyway, we both know each other's views by now, and this is a thread for the IR after all, so I'm happy to agree to disagree!
Thrilled, I'm sure ;)
;D No bothers.
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t'was a great game of football. fast, exciting and a treat to watch ireland's best match the australian's pro's for speed and fitness...a few ozzies on their knees at the end...some feat
congrats to the entire squad...for I've never been on a 'holiday' were ye build yer level of fitness to that of a professional athlete.
PQ
MCG was barely 40% full for this event, i.e, less than half-empty -- viable commercially?
Didn't see the game but like last week will watch the highlights. Even though I'm essentially an opponent of this game I'm thoroughly delighted that the Cormac McAnallen Trophy is coming back to Ireland this year. I congratulate the players who put in a tremendous effort and the management and the tour organisers including long serving GAA official from my own county Tom Kilcoyne. Everything seems to have gone as well as possible and credit to all involved. Credit to the Australians too for playing the game in a sporting manner.
Lots of doubts still remain but today is a day to be positive and be thankful that we didn't have the same shambles as in 2006. Perhaps there is a future but one swallow etc...
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 31, 2008, 03:44:01 PM
MCG was barely 40% full for this event, i.e, less than half-empty -- viable commercially?
Still over 40,000 plus 35,000 last week paying say equivalent of €20 a head = €1.5m.
Throw in Coca Cola and other Sponsorship and presumably some TV money as well I'd say there'd be a tidy few € for the GAA/AFL atthe end of it.
Certainly more commercially viable than he international Gaelic Football events being touted by some of the usual begrudgers here. ;)
All debate aside about the merits or otherwise of this competition, I am sure Sean Cavanagh as a proud Tyrone and Irish man was delighted to be lifting the Cormac McAnallen trophy, a massive honour for him as Captain to be lifting a trophy named after his late great team mate.
Quote from: Rossfan on October 31, 2008, 03:52:52 PM
Certainly more commercially viable than he international Gaelic Football events being touted by some of the usual begrudgers here. ;)
At least we'd be talking about
Gaelic Football, not some mange-ridden mongrel of a yoke :P ;)
Likewise, I'm agin it, but I couldn't help but enjoy this morning's game. I parked my reservations about the point of the whole thing and all its shortcomings and dangers and my overall reservations about engaging with a "sporting" culture that's entirely alien to ours, however well behaved on this occasion. So I enjoyed it for the quality of football and the outstanding Irish performance.
This is the best prepared Irish side I've seen in this "code". There were very few of the mistakes we used to see year after year - carrying the ball into the tackle, refusing to retreat from the mark on our own ball, bad decision making in possession, forgetting to man the mark for opposition kicks, forgetting to tackle the man in possession and so on. In addition, the tactics were spot on and the execution excellent. And the Irish tackle count was higher than the Aussies! That was due in large part to denying them the opportunity to tackle by keeping the ball on the ground when at close quarters.
An excellent coaching performance by Seán and his team and proof if needed that he still has all that it takes to manage teams to compete and win at the highest level. An inspired selection performance, too, with the right men chosen in practically every position - despite the rash stuff said here about him beforehand. Now, can we convince him to take the Meath job back for life? And live to be a hundred.
Cavanagh had an outstanding series and maybe even Mickey Harte forget himself momentarily a few times and clapped politely before regaining his composure.
I think a few shanked kicks at the posts cost him the player of the series award today although in fairness Canty was a very worthy recipient and it's nice to see a stopper get the recognition for once.
Was very impressed with Finian Hanley and our entire defence when it came to the aerial stuff, very few marks claimed by the Aussies but then again, did they select a recognised target man like the Leppitsch or Barry Hall guys of yore? A moot point I suppose, well done to all regardless. Keane was very impressive as well, some of the flood defending was very effective. The soccer-balling flummoxed the Aussies too, that was quite funny to watch.
McKeever brought some muscle to the occasion too, did fairly well overall as did McGinley and Joe McMahon, Donaghy had a mixed series but was very influential in broken play and assists, Coulter likewise even if he did get in on the goals act in test 2, they were largely tap-ins and he never looks good to score a few points but fair play all the same. Leighton Glynn was very impressive across the two tests, Begley did a quietly effective job but sadly, Stevie McDonnell managed to edge Paddy Bradley and Michael Meehan (assist for today's goal aside) for least effective player of the series.
No denying Boylan's pride, and passion (from the Irish Times):
Boylan hails a proud moment
After leading Ireland to a series win on Australian soil, manager Seán Boylan was quick to praise his side and their opponents for contributing to the resurrection of a spectacle that almost went under.
Ireland's five point aggregate win came after two Tests that may have appeared 'watered down' to some, but were ultimately a step in the right direction for the future of the relationship between the AFL and GAA.
Speaking afterwards, the Meathman said: "If someone said to me that I would have the honour of managing an Irish team I wouldn't believe that. I would have loved to be a great player and was I not that fortunate, but I was lucky to have a lot of great people around me.
"Some of us have been very fortunate to be associated with many great events and none more so for me on a personal level than tonight. To play some small part in helping these lads represent their country and representing it in a wonderful way," he added.
There was a special mention too for captain Seán Cavanagh who lifted the cup named after former Tyrone skipper and team-mate Cormac McAnnallen, who played in the series in 2001, 2002 and 2003 before passing away in 2004.
"The last time Ireland won the series out here, Cormac McAnallen was playing," Boylan said. "For Seán as his neighbour and friend to lift the Cormac McAnallen Cup has to stand right up there with anything that I've ever been fortunate to be associated with before."
Boylan went on to praise the renewed appreciation between the two codes and Australian backroom staff.
"The one thing they will recognise is that we've learnt a lot from their sport and they've learnt a good bit from ours as well," he said. "You go into shops on the street and people stop to shake your hand and wish you well. We know they are probably the most competitive nation in the world, yet we know that off the field of play it is friendship.
"The friendship the lads have made with the Australian team has been fantastic and we have to thank (Australian coaches) Mick Malthouse and Nathan Buckley so much for creating that environment."
Matlhouse praised his players for adapting to the less physical approach and for playing "within the rules", but lamented the headstart they gave Ireland in both games.
"We were bitterly disappointed that we gave them too much of a start on both occasions and just couldn't get over the line," said the Australian.
"But on the other side I'm very proud of a group of men who by instinct in our game would shepherd, would be more than vigorous in some tackles ... and they held back that instinct for the betterment of this game. I commend them on their ability to play within the rules.
"The game replicated the series quite frankly. It was close, tight, played with vigour within the rules and played in a fashion to want to win and played, thankfully, within the spirit of what sport should be when you have two international sides who are playing in what we would call a strange competition.
"You only have to look at the way the Irish celebrated to know what it meant."
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 31, 2008, 03:55:34 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 31, 2008, 03:52:52 PM
Certainly more commercially viable than he international Gaelic Football events being touted by some of the usual begrudgers here. ;)
At least we'd be talking about Gaelic Football, not some mange-ridden mongrel of a yoke :P ;)
Sure aren't all pedigrees breeds created by crossing with other breeds to capture the best traits of the parent animals. ;)
Quote from: Hardy on October 31, 2008, 04:00:17 PM
Now, can we convince him to take the Meath job back for life? And live to be a hundred.
Leprechauns live much longer than that ;)
Quote from: Top of the hill on October 31, 2008, 04:07:21 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 31, 2008, 03:55:34 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 31, 2008, 03:52:52 PM
Certainly more commercially viable than he international Gaelic Football events being touted by some of the usual begrudgers here. ;)
At least we'd be talking about Gaelic Football, not some mange-ridden mongrel of a yoke :P ;)
Sure aren't all pedigrees breeds created by crossing with other breeds to capture the best traits of the parent animals. ;)
Yep, but pedigrees are never inferior to the donor breeds! :P
Quote from: cavanmaniac on October 31, 2008, 04:02:30 PM
Stevie McDonnell managed to edge Paddy Bradley and Michael Meehan (assist for today's goal aside) for least effective player of the series.
zzz zzz zzz
the entire squad trained like madmen to win the series, all of them
PQ
Rossfan, if only your co board were as good at figures as you!!!
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Australia handed the series to Ireland, no doubt about it - they handed the trophy over by not having a goalkeeper !!
This was a big advantage, shooting into an empty net.
Looked like a few of our lads weren't going full tilt for the ball either.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 31, 2008, 04:12:09 PM
Quote from: Top of the hill on October 31, 2008, 04:07:21 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 31, 2008, 03:55:34 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 31, 2008, 03:52:52 PM
Certainly more commercially viable than he international Gaelic Football events being touted by some of the usual begrudgers here. ;)
At least we'd be talking about Gaelic Football, not some mange-ridden mongrel of a yoke :P ;)
Sure aren't all pedigrees breeds created by crossing with other breeds to capture the best traits of the parent animals. ;)
Yep, but pedigrees are never inferior to the donor breeds! :P
But remember FoSB, pedigrees have a higher tendency to suffer from hereditary defects due to too much in-breeding. Mongrels are generally healthier, it does no harm to add new blood to the gene-pool once in a while ;)
OK, i think i might be taking the pedigree/mongrel analogy a bit too far now. This sounds more suited to a discussion board on the Kennel Club website. :-[
I will concede that i would prefer to see the GAA promote Gaelic Football and Hurling as opposed to "some mange-ridden mongrel of a yoke". However i do think a lot more could be done to promote the games in counties where they are traditionally weaker before even thinking of promoting them overseas, but that is probably an argument for a different thread
Quote from: cavanmaniac on October 31, 2008, 04:02:30 PM
but sadly, Stevie McDonnell managed to edge Paddy Bradley and Michael Meehan (assist for today's goal aside) for least effective player of the series.
>:(
Quote from: cavanmaniac on October 31, 2008, 03:02:31 PM
Quote from: winsamsoon on October 31, 2008, 02:39:15 PM
Lyng goin back to play for his club was his own persoanl choice and for that i won't criticise the lad. But in all seriousness he shouldn't have had to make this choice. No club player in Ireland should be ask to choose between their club and country. There are not many other sports in the world that would ak their players to do this. Especially an organistion founded on nationalistic and cultural principles. The choice is a direct contradiction of the founding principles.These principles in essence come from the clubs, neglect the clubs and you will see serious problems for the future.
Just seeing your post now, I agree with this part of it. But nobody is grasping the nettle that is grossly inefficient county boards parking their club programmes for weeks at a time every summer while their county team is involved in championship. Even in Cavan where we were out in round one of the qualifiers, our county SFC final was played in mid-October! I ask you, with scheduling like that is it any wonder there's a clash between club/International Rules/Interpros every year?
And then everyone cries for competitions to be abolished when a bit of tighter scheduling and strict policing by Croke Park would solve all the problems at a stroke.
Correct, I meant to post that myself earlier but didn't get the chance. Again this GAA trait of blaming someone else for our own mistakes and never taking responsibility for our own failings raises its head. Today is the 31st of October and most clubs have been training since Jan/Feb so who's fault is this clash of competitions the IR or the CB's? Today was a great sporting occasion and something that meant a great deal to all involved I'm sure. It's not perfect and has no future other than these annual..ish meetings, but so what? It is the best we have at the moment and allows our best players to compete for Ireland. It also gives our players and administrators a free trip to Australia every second year or so and they all deserve that, yes even the administrators. I give out about CB's more than most but every administrator out in Australia is fully deserving of this 'bonus', it is too easy for critics of this game to suggest it is only a free junket for the 'suits' but what have these same keyboard warriors ever done? At least all those suits have stood up and actually tried to develop the GAA, not simply spew all the answers from the comfort of their armchairs. This series is, by and large, a good thing for the GAA and is the least of our problems as an organisation.
Quote from: Top of the hill on October 31, 2008, 04:28:45 PM
OK, i think i might be taking the pedigree/mongrel analogy a bit too far now. This sounds more suited to a discussion board on the Kennel Club website. :-[
:D
We've gone to the dogs all right ;)
Ireland international captain Sean Cavanagh has said that the international rules format is one of the most enjoyable games he has ever taken part in.
Cavanagh was talking in the aftermath of Ireland's series win over Australia and played up the strengths of the game, which he said the players are huge supporters of.
"You have to give it to this great sport. Some people don't like it but when you look at the two tests and especially out there tonight, you have 27 of the best gaelic footballers going at it hammer and tongs," said Cavanagh.
"It is one of the most exciting games to play. I'll challenge anyone to say otherwise."
Asked what the win means to him Cavanagh said it rounded off a wonderful year and has real significance for all involved.
"It is a fantastic achievement for all the lads. It is really something special," added the Ireland captain.
?????????????? Euphoric or what ?????
Quote from: Zulu on October 31, 2008, 04:37:12 PM
Quote from: cavanmaniac on October 31, 2008, 03:02:31 PM
Quote from: winsamsoon on October 31, 2008, 02:39:15 PM
Lyng goin back to play for his club was his own persoanl choice and for that i won't criticise the lad. But in all seriousness he shouldn't have had to make this choice. No club player in Ireland should be ask to choose between their club and country. There are not many other sports in the world that would ak their players to do this. Especially an organistion founded on nationalistic and cultural principles. The choice is a direct contradiction of the founding principles.These principles in essence come from the clubs, neglect the clubs and you will see serious problems for the future.
Just seeing your post now, I agree with this part of it. But nobody is grasping the nettle that is grossly inefficient county boards parking their club programmes for weeks at a time every summer while their county team is involved in championship. Even in Cavan where we were out in round one of the qualifiers, our county SFC final was played in mid-October! I ask you, with scheduling like that is it any wonder there's a clash between club/International Rules/Interpros every year?
And then everyone cries for competitions to be abolished when a bit of tighter scheduling and strict policing by Croke Park would solve all the problems at a stroke.
Correct, I meant to post that myself earlier but didn't get the chance. Again this GAA trait of blaming someone else for our own mistakes and never taking responsibility for our own failings raises its head. Today is the 31st of October and most clubs have been training since Jan/Feb so who's fault is this clash of competitions the IR or the CB's? Today was a great sporting occasion and something that meant a great deal to all involved I'm sure. It's not perfect and has no future other than these annual..ish meetings, but so what? It is the best we have at the moment and allows our best players to compete for Ireland. It also gives our players and administrators a free trip to Australia every second year or so and they all deserve that, yes even the administrators. I give out about CB's more than most but every administrator out in Australia is fully deserving of this 'bonus', it is too easy for critics of this game to suggest it is only a free junket for the 'suits' but what have these same keyboard warriors ever done? At least all those suits have stood up and actually tried to develop the GAA, not simply spew all the answers from the comfort of their armchairs. This series is, by and large, a good thing for the GAA and is the least of our problems as an organisation.
I couldn't agree more !
Quote from: peterquaife on October 31, 2008, 04:18:44 PM
Quote from: cavanmaniac on October 31, 2008, 04:02:30 PM
Stevie McDonnell managed to edge Paddy Bradley and Michael Meehan (assist for today's goal aside) for least effective player of the series.
zzz zzz zzz
the entire squad trained like madmen to win the series, all of them
PQ
It might have escaped you there while dozing but I never said these lads didn't work hard out there, they were just three of Ireland's weaker performers across the two tests IMHO, at least as far as you can judge on TV. Bradley looked a degree sharper than last week but didn't get on the ball enough to showcase his undoubted talent kicking from the hand. McDonnell for someone with such talent had a shocker I thought, he got a lucky goal the first day and shot wide after wide today, and messed up a great goal chance by being greedy with a team mate better placed.
I didn't see Meehan on the ball at all really to be honest.
Bradley scored a great over from the sideline against the wind, though. And Meehan set up Coulter's first goal. He didn't get much game time really. I thought he'd have done well with a chance, though he seemed anxious to be rid of the ball in a hurry.
From Melbourne newspaper HeraldSun
What's International Rules' about and who really cares?
Jon Anderson | October 29, 2008 12:00am
PLEASE don't judge the success of this Friday night's International Rules game at the MCG by size of the crowd.
That fact hit home last Friday when picking up my sons from primary school and immediately being offered a couple of free tickets to the Australia-Ireland "Test".
Tickets that had been given to my 11-year-old via a teacher as part of an AFL promotional tool. And who can blame them for that?
But if 60,000 front up at the MCG for the bastardisation of two codes, don't claim it's a vote for the concept.
In fairness, I thought of taking Jack and Sam, partly to see something different involving Australia and partly just to see what it's like live.
Then I remembered their soccer commitments and my experience a decade ago of International Rules when I was left wondering what in the hell was going on.
Think about it. Two countries playing a game strange to its participants, let alone those who watch it every couple of years.
And odd or unappealing to football fans if a poll of 20 people in this office yesterday is any indication.
Eighteen didn't watch the first match in Perth on Friday night and had no intention of paying to watch this week's match -- or going on a freebie.
Of the two who said they stayed up on Friday night, one is a true enthusiast and the other said most of the game had been "pretty boring" but "the last bit was all right because it was close".
Because we have the professional footballers we agree to play with a round ball and agree not to bash the life out of the accountants, bartenders and taxi drivers who make up Ireland's team. That normally ensures a close contest, allowing the organisers to pat themselves on the back as they chase international recognition for their respective codes.
And the AFL has kept the media criticism to an acceptable level via the lure of a trip to Ireland every second year, a tactic also used with the odd recalcitrant coach.
Five of my colleagues have enjoyed Irish junkets in a decade, every one of them, naturally, loving the journey and returning International Rules devotees.
The cynic could suggest they are hardly going to come back bagging it, although all say sitting in the crowd at Croke Park with 70,000 locals is right up as a memorable sporting experience. No doubt the atmosphere is great but how about what takes place out on the pitch?
Great sporting events are built on the class of the combatants, the history of the sport, the culture of the code.
Ali v Frazier, Boston v the Lakers, Borg v McEnroe, Manchester United v Liverpool, Warne v Lara, Boston Red Sox v New York Yankees and Carlton v Collingwood.
And then there's Australia v Ireland in the 14th International Rules series. A game played a couple of times every year before being forgotten by those who care and never remembered by those who don't.
But keep giving those tickets away and, hopefully, enough will turn up out of curiosity to provide some atmosphere.
The pity is, many will leave wondering what they have just watched and it all meant.
Yeah Hardy that's the Bradley over I had in mind, kicked one the first day too and I'd like to have seen him get more opportunities like that, but otherwise he was sluggish in open play. At one stage in the 2nd quarter I think a great ball came into him after a turnover of possession and we were well placed, but he bungled the collect and eventually played a terrible pass staright to an Aussie.
The last line in that article is spot on.
I didn't see Meehan on the ball at all really to be honest.
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Highlights tonight CM at 9.35 on RTE 2 and I'm sure you'll see him heavily involved in Coulters goal (obviously) and also McGinleys. I thought he did quite well to be honest allowing for the amount of game time he actually got. I really enjoyed the game this morning and played within the rules its quite a good spectacle. Well done to all the irish boys and the management team.
Quote from: the real slim shady on October 31, 2008, 05:38:22 PM
From Melbourne newspaper HeraldSun
What's International Rules' about and who really cares?
Jon Anderson | October 29, 2008 12:00am
PLEASE don't judge the success of this Friday night's International Rules game at the MCG by size of the crowd.
That fact hit home last Friday when picking up my sons from primary school and immediately being offered a couple of free tickets to the Australia-Ireland "Test".
Tickets that had been given to my 11-year-old via a teacher as part of an AFL promotional tool. And who can blame them for that?
But if 60,000 front up at the MCG for the bastardisation of two codes, don't claim it's a vote for the concept.
In fairness, I thought of taking Jack and Sam, partly to see something different involving Australia and partly just to see what it's like live.
Then I remembered their soccer commitments and my experience a decade ago of International Rules when I was left wondering what in the hell was going on.
Think about it. Two countries playing a game strange to its participants, let alone those who watch it every couple of years.
And odd or unappealing to football fans if a poll of 20 people in this office yesterday is any indication.
Eighteen didn't watch the first match in Perth on Friday night and had no intention of paying to watch this week's match -- or going on a freebie.
Of the two who said they stayed up on Friday night, one is a true enthusiast and the other said most of the game had been "pretty boring" but "the last bit was all right because it was close".
Because we have the professional footballers we agree to play with a round ball and agree not to bash the life out of the accountants, bartenders and taxi drivers who make up Ireland's team. That normally ensures a close contest, allowing the organisers to pat themselves on the back as they chase international recognition for their respective codes.
And the AFL has kept the media criticism to an acceptable level via the lure of a trip to Ireland every second year, a tactic also used with the odd recalcitrant coach.
Five of my colleagues have enjoyed Irish junkets in a decade, every one of them, naturally, loving the journey and returning International Rules devotees.
The cynic could suggest they are hardly going to come back bagging it, although all say sitting in the crowd at Croke Park with 70,000 locals is right up as a memorable sporting experience. No doubt the atmosphere is great but how about what takes place out on the pitch?
Great sporting events are built on the class of the combatants, the history of the sport, the culture of the code.
Ali v Frazier, Boston v the Lakers, Borg v McEnroe, Manchester United v Liverpool, Warne v Lara, Boston Red Sox v New York Yankees and Carlton v Collingwood.
And then there's Australia v Ireland in the 14th International Rules series. A game played a couple of times every year before being forgotten by those who care and never remembered by those who don't.
But keep giving those tickets away and, hopefully, enough will turn up out of curiosity to provide some atmosphere.
The pity is, many will leave wondering what they have just watched and it all meant.
Exactly Hardy !
Look, we all know it's a makey uppy game and has no chance of expanding beyond its current position but so what? I can't understand why anyone with an interest in the GAA would be against playing this game, I can understand that some lads don't think it is much of a spectacle but why anyone would wish it to end is beyond my comprehension. As far as I can see the series is full of positives with no real negatives.
Series loss hasn't spoiled experience: Harvey
Austrialian captain Brent Harvey climbs over Ireland's Joe McMahon in the Second Test
AUSTRALIAN skipper Brent Harvey still felt the sting of defeat after his side went down to Ireland in the Second Test at the MCG on Friday night, but maintained the overall experience of the 2008 Toyota International Rules Series was resoundingly positive.
As was the case in last week's First Test, Australia made a late attempt to run down the Irish but this time fell four points short of retaining the Cormac McAnallen Cup.
"There is disappointment that we didn't win for Australia, but at the end of the day we had a good crack, tried our hearts out and the Irish lads were too good," Harvey said.
"If we had of won it would have been amazing, but I was just so happy to be captain of my country and I got to work with Mick Malthouse as well as Glen Jakovich, Nathan Buckley and Matthew Lappin.
"It was good to get an insight into how they think and that was a really big experience for me.
"To go away with all the boys to Perth for a week was great. They're a great bunch of blokes and I think the last few weeks have been so good for everyone that the feeling is still good even though we didn't win."
Despite a strategy to aim at kicking overs, the Aussies ended up scoring three goals, but Harvey said the Irish players' ability by foot in the wet conditions had been a huge plus for them.
"I actually thought the rain might have helped us tonight, but it went against us because their soccer skills were amazing," he said after the visitors finished with four goals.
The match was played in the same spirit that was so commended after the opening clash in Perth and Harvey admitted he was proud to have played a role in securing the future of the hybrid game.
"It's something that we didn't really speak about a great deal but we all knew that if something bad happened in this series then it was probably going to get called off," he said.
"We didn't want to let the young guys of the future miss out. I think it's a fantastic concept, I'm certainly one to give it all of my backing, and all the boys were great in the way they prepared for it as well. I think it's got a huge future."
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this should be scrapped now, i really think this is a total waste of time. i am also unsure if the Irish sporting public would be behind it if it reutn home, i know for once i wont be going to Croke Park to watch it again. Anyone else feel the same?
tankie you watch leinster, how bad can ir be? :D
But atleast Leinster are playing a REAL sport! ;D
As I said I wont be watching it and I think there will be alot like me who went last time who wont go if it returns!
Quote from: the real slim shady on October 31, 2008, 05:38:22 PM
But keep giving those tickets away and, hopefully, enough will turn up out of curiosity to provide some atmosphere.
The pity is, many will leave wondering what they have just watched and it all meant.
Barely 40% full/empty, and a more than sizeable number of the natives on freebies... who's kidding who here?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 31, 2008, 08:39:58 PM
Quote from: the real slim shady on October 31, 2008, 05:38:22 PM
But keep giving those tickets away and, hopefully, enough will turn up out of curiosity to provide some atmosphere.
The pity is, many will leave wondering what they have just watched and it all meant.
Barely 40% full/empty, and a more than sizeable number of the natives on freebies... who's kidding who here?
fear, where did you get your sizeable number? giving free tickets to school kids (which is what the article said) is generally considered a good marketing ploy esp when you have a stadium that holds nearly 120k and has no hope of selling out (the afl grand final had 100k at it). there were 42,800 there today which is a respectable crowd
Quote from: Tankie on October 31, 2008, 08:19:35 PM
But atleast Leinster are playing a REAL sport! ;D
but not as good as munster ;D ;D
Quote from: magickingdom on October 31, 2008, 08:46:07 PM
fear, where did you get your sizeable number? giving free tickets to school kids (which is what the article said) is generally considered a good marketing ploy esp when you have a stadium that holds nearly 120k and has no hope of selling out (the afl grand final had 100k at it). there were 42,800 there today which is a respectable crowd
"respectable"
and shrinking
mk. The lesser spotted International Rules game (these days) will pull out the curiosity crowd, certainly, but what when it's a violence-free (almost) annual affair? You can spin it whatever way you like, but a 40% full MCG for an international 'test' is a failure in any sporting lingo. And these curves don't rise, they only fall.
Jasus Fear it's aisy known you're from the North ::)
For the record there were 194 yes 194 !! paying customers into Kiltoom for TWO Inter Pro games last Saturday yet the IR begrudgers want them kept at all costs. 42,800 at the I R and it's a "failure".
God give me patience with these lads. :D
Quote from: Rossfan on October 31, 2008, 08:58:11 PM
Jasus Fear it's aisy known you're from the North ::)
For the record there were 194 yes 194 !! paying customers into Kiltoom for TWO Inter Pro games last Saturday yet the IR begrudgers want them kept at all costs. 42,800 at the I R and it's a "failure".
God give me patience with these lads. :D
Oh Sh*t, the reinforcements have arrived!
'Tis all relative Rossfan, all bleedin' relative (notice the southern inflexion there ;)), and if the 'most sporting and competitive nation' in the world can only less than half fill their premier stadium then I'm a sceptic, and make no half-assed apologies for it.
Ya see, in the greater vicinity of Kiltoom at that particular time there were only 220 people, which represents a greater than 90% take-up of the spectacle. And that's what I call an unqualified success!
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 31, 2008, 09:07:26 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 31, 2008, 08:58:11 PM
Ya see, in the greater vicinity of Kiltoom at that particular time there were only 220 people, which represents a greater than 90% take-up of the spectacle. And that's what I call an unqualified success!
Oh No ! He's a Jesuit as well ;D
Anyway no matter how sceptical you and your fellow begrudgers might be I enjoyed the game today and I like the concept.
For those who dont like it why not do as another poster said - Ignore it !! - Then ye wont have to be getting upset by the sight of some of Ireland's finest footballers(an awful lotof them from Ulster incl the Captain) representing their Country with distinction.
It's played twice a year ,or 4 times every 3 years from now on, it gives lads a chance to play for their Country, it probably improves ther football, it keeps the GAA in the sports pages for a few weeks after the All Ireland Final thus reducing the compulsory rugby and soccer, and it brings in crowds - always more so in Ireland than Australia and I enjoy it.
Quote from: Rossfan on October 31, 2008, 09:17:04 PM
It's played twice a year ,or 4 times every 3 years from now on, it gives lads a chance to play for their Country, it probably improves ther football, it keeps the GAA in the sports pages for a few weeks after the All Ireland Final thus reducing the compulsory rugby and soccer, and it brings in crowds - always more so in Ireland than Australia and I enjoy it.
I'll agree to differ with you too then... becoming something of a habit (on this thread), but how and ever... ;)
Having just watched the highlights... Well done Ireland, excelled in every aspect of that mange-ridden mongrel of a yoke ;), from the mark to the tackle to the opportunistic over, which has been no mean achievement in itself. Well done the Seáns, Boylan & Cavanagh, and every other member of the squad, and much the better to have won than lost.
Has any of you ever played International Rules? I have been able to twice and have to say I absolutely loved it, roughing it up with the aussies, living off your wit and nerve to get the ball and distribute it, scoring overs and unders and getting absolutely hammered in a tackle and losing the sleeve of my shirt in another. And I can't wait to do it again next year if im still fit to play.
Maybe you think its a boring game, thats your opinion, but the skill level of 27 of irelands best footballers gave it a real go and should be applauded for their efforts along with the backroom team.
Australians are complacent when they are winning, they only get patriotic when they have something to prove and come out in numbers. You'll see a full house in ireland next year for both tests.
What a great win for our boys. "...north men, south men, comrades all". Great interview with Donaghy "the biggest man on the pitch" according to the Aussie commentators. Canty was colossal but I thought McDonald was great. And Cavanagh...little wonder Brisbane wanted him. I thought Begley's AFL experience was an extremely telling factor last night; he had the prescence of mind to slow down and look around.
In future I think the game in Australia should be played on a full oval to see how things work out. I was a bit pissed off that Denis Commetti one of the country's leading commentators decided to pull out the old "what advantage is the round ball" question after the game. The Aussie bloke turned around and basically said Bollix Denis.
Huge grin on my face last night and there is a deafening silence from Aussie mates today!!
Eire ABU.
Quote from: carribbear on November 01, 2008, 12:41:06 AM
Has any of you ever played International Rules? I have been able to twice and have to say I absolutely loved it, roughing it up with the aussies, living off your wit and nerve to get the ball and distribute it, scoring overs and unders and getting absolutely hammered in a tackle and losing the sleeve of my shirt in another. And I can't wait to do it again next year if im still fit to play.
Maybe you think its a boring game, thats your opinion, but the skill level of 27 of irelands best footballers gave it a real go and should be applauded for their efforts along with the backroom team.
Australians are complacent when they are winning, they only get patriotic when they have something to prove and come out in numbers. You'll see a full house in ireland next year for both tests.
Not correct - sopme of them are but not all.
As an Armagh man I have to defend McDonnell. He has got alot of stick from Armagh people over the years as well. However, anyone who watches Armagh regularly (AFS?) will know that his strenghth is not frees and his chances yesrterday were mostly free type situations from quite a distance. I will agree he has played better but he saw alot of the ball around the half forwrd area and played more as a link man. Some of his foot passing was very good Many players missed good chances too; even Cavanagh who played a stormer! All the players deserve credit not criticism.
Having watched the highlights I have to say it was embarrassing to see the Irish lads stringing multiple soccer passes together. It was obviously a deliberate tactic and it worked very well but FFS, where is this daft mutation of a game going exactly? Are we going to start heading the ball next year? ::)
Quote from: Jinxy on November 01, 2008, 12:43:07 PM
Having watched the highlights I have to say it was embarrassing to see the Irish lads stringing multiple soccer passes together. It was obviously a deliberate tactic and it worked very well but FFS, where is this daft mutation of a game going exactly? Are we going to start heading the ball next year? ::)
How funny was that though the Aussies didn't know what was going on :D :D
Rossfan, are you sure that was not the attandance at your county final in Kiltoom??
Quote from: Aerlik on November 01, 2008, 07:47:49 AM
What a great win for our boys. "...north men, south men, comrades all". Great interview with Donaghy "the biggest man on the pitch" according to the Aussie commentators. Canty was colossal but I thought McDonald was great. And Cavanagh...little wonder Brisbane wanted him. I thought Begley's AFL experience was an extremely telling factor last night; he had the prescence of mind to slow down and look around.
In future I think the game in Australia should be played on a full oval to see how things work out. I was a bit pissed off that Denis Commetti one of the country's leading commentators decided to pull out the old "what advantage is the round ball" question after the game. The Aussie bloke turned around and basically said Bollix Denis.
Huge grin on my face last night and there is a deafening silence from Aussie mates today!!
Eire ABU.
i was thinking that myself, it would make far more sense and disadvantage no one
Irish boss blasts IR detractors
IRISH international rules boss Nickey Brennan has hit out against the series' detractors, saying the two teams deserved great credit for what they had produced.
Ireland beat Australia by four points in the second Test Friday night at the MCG to reclaim the Cormac McAnallen Trophy.
The series is now certain to continue this time next year in Ireland, given the lack of on-field violence in these two Tests.
Furious Irish officials cancelled last year's series because of incidents during the 2005 and '06 matches and the future of the concept was at stake this time.
While the series has far from universal appeal in Ireland and Australia, Brennan said the quality of last week's match in Perth and the MCG game had shown the compromised game's true potential.
"Anybody who didn't see this series in a positive light ... we have those in Ireland, as you well know, who are not pro the series anyway - they have them here, too," said Brennan, the Gaelic Athletic Association president.
"As far as (Friday night) is concerned, we simply have to just ignore their views, because they're not going to see a positive in it, probably.
"But anybody who would watch this series, see the efforts of the players on both sides, would have to commend them for what they've done here.
"Yes, there will be some begrudgers, but let's push them aside for once."
AFL officials were also delighted with the series, but its future hinged more on how well it was received in Ireland.
"It's fair to say, doubts are dispelled after (Friday night)," Brennan said.
He praised Australian coach Mick Malthouse in particular for ensuring his players curbed their natural instinct for fierce physical pressure.
Less than 43,000 were at the MCG on Friday night, although rain undoubtedly affected that figure.
AAP
Fair play to Brennan! Did he have anything to say about the issues these 'detractors' have highlighted. He seems to be very keen to point out that the players deserve credit which is something everyone agrees on. Do you have a quote from him giving credit to the IP players who we all agree deserve credit too?
I loved this bit - we simply have to just ignore their views - :D :D
Quote from: antoinse on November 01, 2008, 01:38:52 PM
Rossfan, are you sure that was not the attandance at your county final in Kiltoom??
What's with all the anti Ros shite from you? >:(
As far as I know
1- our Co Boards finances are now in good shape following the - ahem - not totally accurate book keeping in 2005. 2 Punchestowns, some great responses to the members draws and the best attended Co Championships in years has helped enormously
2- there were at least 3,500 paying customers to the drawn So Final in Kiltoom and at least that again last Sunday in the Hyde.
I hope Naomh Bríd werent just getting a percentage of the gate receipts from them oul' InterProvincials.
Thank you. Just wanted to know how ye were getting on with your 'Ahem'. Won't be so negative from now on
Rossfan, Two further things - 1. I am not a nordie as you said earlier, 2 are you happy with your county board?
And to continue on the positive note - we have Fergie O'Donnell and all the Minor 2006 backroom crew managing our Co Senior team which is a double win/win - a good management and no big "ahem" going to an outside manager ;D
Now if all the under age potential can be realised who knows what me might achieve.
As for our Co Board - is there any County in Ireland where everyone is happy with the Co Board and is there any County in Ireland where there are people queueing up at the gates looking for positions on said Co Boards?
And good to see you are helping the Ulster/Rest balance on Gaaboard
Judging from this and other websites, I am absolutely sure the northern people can adequately speak for themselves.
I am a GAA person first and foremost and don't see any divide between me and anyother club, county or provience. We should all be in it for the betterment of the GAA and this just is an organ that the ordinary person can express their views be they critical or positive. The shame of it all is that the people in power contiue to ignore the ordinary supporter/member.
In relation to Fergal O'Donnell. He is a great man, a man of excellent integrity and I would like to wish him every success in his posting.
Maybe you can answer a question for me! Is it true (as has been on grapevine for a while)the defeat in the second year of Fergal's term with the minors was greeted from within with relief because of the cost incurred?
Quote from: orangeman on November 01, 2008, 11:04:23 AM
Quote from: carribbear on November 01, 2008, 12:41:06 AM
Has any of you ever played International Rules? I have been able to twice and have to say I absolutely loved it, roughing it up with the aussies, living off your wit and nerve to get the ball and distribute it, scoring overs and unders and getting absolutely hammered in a tackle and losing the sleeve of my shirt in another. And I can't wait to do it again next year if im still fit to play.
Maybe you think its a boring game, thats your opinion, but the skill level of 27 of irelands best footballers gave it a real go and should be applauded for their efforts along with the backroom team.
Australians are complacent when they are winning, they only get patriotic when they have something to prove and come out in numbers. You'll see a full house in ireland next year for both tests.
Not correct - sopme of them are but not all.
You know exactly what I mean so I am not going to waste my time arguing with you. If you're bitter about the whole IR series then deal with it.
Quote from: antoinse on November 01, 2008, 03:35:14 PM
Maybe you can answer a question for me! Is it true (as has been on grapevine for a while)the defeat in the second year of Fergal's term with the minors was greeted from within with relief because of the cost incurred?
I'm not that "inside" to know if it is true or not. I too heard all sorts of tales about different things but you know yourself........ I would hate to think we'd have that little ambition that we'd be relieve at seeing a team lose.
As for cost - it didnt stop them re appointing the Mayo disaster for a 3rd year when it was obvious to even his biggest supporters that the experiment had failed and had run its course.
Totally agree with your opinion of the Mayo disaster. He should not have been apppointed for a second year. My Ros friends were adamant of that and they were amazed at his second year appointment.
Unfortunately, according to my friends, the county board is lacking ambition and it was the ordinary Ros fans that sought his appointment.
Indeed the tide of supporter opinion was that there was no other option but to appoint the big man.
Rossfan: whats the story with the once famous Roscommon Gaels? I believe the are playing Intermediate football next year.
..excuse me but what the f**k has this all got to do with the International Rules 2008....stick to the topic of thread.
It appears Roscommon Gaels have gone down under ;)
not sure what we should do with the IR, but I will say this, now that they have clamped down on the "illegals" I really hope that for the series in Ireland people dont start hoping for a fight and then bleating about it when it happens. We have to at least acknowledge our hypocrisy on that issue.
See Benny Coulter is a columist with a Newry paper - he wrote some slagging stuff from Oz.
can you post it sidelined, or what is he sayin?
I'd imagine that they'd be unlikely to find a sponsor willing to pump as much money into this in today's economic climate. I'd say they're also limited in new potential sponsors due to the international nature of the competition, with perhaps only global brands that appeal to both the Irish and Australian public seeing it as worthwhile.
Yeah, the Global meltdown could be what grants Mickey Harte his wish
GOOD!
Good to see the back of Coca cola as they are high on the list of Israeli products to boycott......
Quote from: AFS on January 20, 2009, 01:12:08 AM
I'd imagine that they'd be unlikely to find a sponsor willing to pump as much money into this in today's economic climate. I'd say they're also limited in new potential sponsors due to the international nature of the competition, with perhaps only global brands that appeal to both the Irish and Australian public seeing it as worthwhile.
Harvey Norman?
Does anyone know if the venues are set for this years series yet?
Quote from: give her dixie on January 20, 2009, 11:19:10 AM
Good to see the back of Coca cola as they are high on the list of Israeli products to boycott......
Why?
Quote from: stiffler on January 20, 2009, 07:26:24 PM
Quote from: AFS on January 20, 2009, 01:12:08 AM
I'd imagine that they'd be unlikely to find a sponsor willing to pump as much money into this in today's economic climate. I'd say they're also limited in new potential sponsors due to the international nature of the competition, with perhaps only global brands that appeal to both the Irish and Australian public seeing it as worthwhile.
Harvey Norman?
Does anyone know if the venues are set for this years series yet?
Harveys are struggling big time at the moment also