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2008 has been a bit of a mad year in inter county football(it certainly took Pillar by surprise) . It might take someone with a big set of balls to top this if the trend continues to club football.
Quote from: Zapatista on August 22, 2008, 12:43:47 PM
2008 has been a bit of a mad year in inter county football(it certainly took Pillar by surprise) . It might take someone with a big set of balls to top this if the trend continues to club football.
Pillar looked alike he had a huge set ! ;)
Yeah everyone will be picking St Galls, Cross, Mayobridge etc etc
Will take someone to buck the trend or pick the difficult counties, tyrone, maybe even derry?
Galls, Cross, Cavan Gaels, Burren, S'Neill, Eunans, Teemore, Clontibret, Dromore.
Pearse Ogs.
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on August 22, 2008, 12:53:24 PM
Yeah everyone will be picking St Galls, Cross, Mayobridge etc etc
Will take someone to buck the trend or pick the difficult counties, tyrone, maybe even derry?
Dromore or Carrickmore for Tyrone. If you pick anyone else and win ye deserve to win the thing outright. Siince Dromore and Carrickmore will be picked by most it might be wise to pick Omagh on the off chance and if they come up trumphs you will have that advantage.
Quote from: Uladh on August 22, 2008, 12:56:53 PM
Galls, Cross, Cavan Gaels, Burren, S'Neill, Eunans, Teemore, Clontibret, Dromore.
Your srewed already Uladh, teemore were beaten by st pats last weekend in fermanagh
Quote from: Tempoman on August 22, 2008, 01:34:50 PM
Quote from: Uladh on August 22, 2008, 12:56:53 PM
Galls, Cross, Cavan Gaels, Burren, S'Neill, Eunans, Teemore, Clontibret, Dromore.
Your srewed already Uladh, teemore were beaten by st pats last weekend in fermanagh
:D
st galls
cross
cavan gaels
slaughtneil
st eunans
burren
enniskillen
clontibret
carrickmore
I was wondering why they weren't listed then i figured teemore must be st pats! hard to keep in touch when you're away.
surely i'd get st pats by default so?
Clicked St Pats? You 'll get them alright.
who you do corn?? don't be shy now
St Galls, Cross, Cavan Gaels, Ballinderry, Mayobridge, Clontibret, Belcoo Dromore and I think Gaoth Dobhair in Donegal.
Quote from: Zapatista on August 22, 2008, 01:04:54 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on August 22, 2008, 12:53:24 PM
Yeah everyone will be picking St Galls, Cross, Mayobridge etc etc
Will take someone to buck the trend or pick the difficult counties, tyrone, maybe even derry?
Dromore or Carrickmore for Tyrone. If you pick anyone else and win ye deserve to win the thing outright. Siince Dromore and Carrickmore will be picked by most it might be wise to pick Omagh on the off chance and if they come up trumphs you will have that advantage.
Are Omagh not out already?
Quote from: Zapatista on August 22, 2008, 01:04:54 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on August 22, 2008, 12:53:24 PM
Yeah everyone will be picking St Galls, Cross, Mayobridge etc etc
Will take someone to buck the trend or pick the difficult counties, tyrone, maybe even derry?
Dromore or Carrickmore for Tyrone. If you pick anyone else and win ye deserve to win the thing outright. Siince Dromore and Carrickmore will be picked by most it might be wise to pick Omagh on the off chance and if they come up trumphs you will have that advantage.
I see your train of thought but everyone will be picking them as they are more likely to win, I have picked cross etc becuase I think they will win, there is no point going against my choice to be different or have a better chance of winning. Go with who you think will win, if someone else has the same I am sure they will have some sort of tie breaker, maybe pick the winners of the first round of ulster championship ties...
St Galls
Cross
Cavan Gaels
Ballinderry
St Eunans
Enniskillen Gaels
Mayobridge
Dromore
Clontibret.
Went for:
Four Masters
Cross
Cargin
Castleblayney
Carrickmore
Belcoo
Cavan Gaels
Mayobridge
Ballinderry
Quote from: Rav67 on August 22, 2008, 03:33:22 PM
Quote from: Zapatista on August 22, 2008, 01:04:54 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on August 22, 2008, 12:53:24 PM
Yeah everyone will be picking St Galls, Cross, Mayobridge etc etc
Will take someone to buck the trend or pick the difficult counties, tyrone, maybe even derry?
Dromore or Carrickmore for Tyrone. If you pick anyone else and win ye deserve to win the thing outright. Siince Dromore and Carrickmore will be picked by most it might be wise to pick Omagh on the off chance and if they come up trumphs you will have that advantage.
Are Omagh not out already?
Omagh still in championship, they drew with dromore in 1st round, replay will take place after tyrones involvement ends in AI
My tuppence worth...
St Gall's
Mayobridge
Crossmaglen
Clontibret
Cavan Gaels
St Patrick's
Carrickmore
St Eunan's
Dungiven
And the Antrim boys for Ulster.
Lots of variations already....
Funny, was thinking I was going mad. The Irish News stated today that Omagh were out, having lost to Dromore after a replay!
Fermanagh throwing a few spanners in the works. Belcoo and Enniskillen beaten this weekend. Think I'm the only man still standing, along with Uladh maybe. Should have entered!
Quote from: ExiledGael on August 31, 2008, 07:49:38 PM
Fermanagh throwing a few spanners in the works. Belcoo and Enniskillen beaten this weekend. Think I'm the only man still standing, along with Uladh maybe. Should have entered!
f**k sake! That didnt last long!
Whats the closing date?
Carrickmore are looking good in Tyrone. They are absolutely hammering teams in the league without Conor Gormley, and these are teams who are still left in the championship. I heard them and Cross had a good "workout" last week in Cross.
Closing date was last Friday 12th. The Master's selections were/are
Crossmaglen
St Galls
Mayobridge
Cavan Gaels
St Eunans
Castleblaney
Carrickmore
Derrygonnelly
Ballinderry
I have four finalists (for which you get at least 5 points each) already in Ballinderry, Mayobridge, St Eunans and Derrygonnelly ;D
Quote from: tieroan on September 15, 2008, 11:23:04 AM
Carrickmore are looking good in Tyrone. They are absolutely hammering teams in the league without Conor Gormley, and these are teams who are still left in the championship. I heard them and Cross had a good "workout" last week in Cross.
Challenge Game?
Quote from: Onion Bag on September 15, 2008, 11:28:26 AM
Quote from: tieroan on September 15, 2008, 11:23:04 AM
Carrickmore are looking good in Tyrone. They are absolutely hammering teams in the league without Conor Gormley, and these are teams who are still left in the championship. I heard them and Cross had a good "workout" last week in Cross.
Challenge Game?
No Onion Bag, they got a woman in to do a session of Stretch and Tone in the Gym ::)
Bums & Tums , :D
So how did it go? the match that is?
:) Onion, you are really are a wally!
Cross won by 4. Carrickmore had a league game the evening before mind but Cross had no Oisin!
Quote from: tieroan on September 15, 2008, 11:56:04 AM
:) Onion, you are really are a wally!
Cross won by 4. Carrickmore had a league game the evening before mind but Cross had no Oisin!
I know Tieroan, Its monday morning, just not firing on all cylinders, so was it any good of a match, if i had of knew it was on, i would have went to see it,
I never heard. I dont think my source was at it either. God but you would be keen for football if you follow challenge games throughout Ulster. You need a good feed of Vodka and RB.
I was at a couple of Armagh Championship games at the weekend and to be honest, any other match couldnt have been as bad as them,
Cross would have got a better workout playing their minors that they did against against Clann ne Gael at the weekend.
The Armagh Championship is becoming a joke. I meet players & supporters from clubs who openly admit that a) No-one will stop Cross and b) their own clubs might as well not bother turning-up when they draw Cross in the championship.
When you have this attitude then they are beaten before they field! Crossmaglen must be laughin their socks off knowing that they have the Championship in the bag before it even starts such is the mental weakness of their opponents.
How many would Cross have won in the last 12 years in Derry or Tyrone, or even Antrim?
Legitimate question, on trying to wind anyone up.
Honestly, i wouldl say they would have won 8-10 of them, in Derry, Tyrone, Antrim,
Quote from: Doire abú on September 15, 2008, 12:28:53 PM
How many would Cross have won in the last 12 years in Derry or Tyrone, or even Antrim?
Legitimate question, on trying to wind anyone up.
6
Who would have won the other 6
Bellaghy 1996-1999 were an unbelievable side, with the 1997 Dungiven side also really strong.
Ourselves (Ballinderry) 2000-2003 were fantastic and the Loup were very strong in 2003. I think our 2006 team was even better than the All-Ireland winning one and I still feel we would have beaten Cross but for the conditions.
There's no way Cross would have won 10 out of 12 in my opinion.
You cant blame conditions lad, :'(
Cross would have been there or thereabouts in all 12 Errigal Ciaran had a decent team at the start of this era, Carrickmore likewise, The Galls have really only came to the fore this past few year and cross would have beat them year in year out had they been in Antrim, but yeh The Derry championship would definetly have been the toughest and most competitive of them all
Only 5 teams have beaten Cross in championship matches in Ulster since 1996, EC twice, Bellaghy once, the Loup once, Blaney once and Enniskillen Gaels once. They have only missed out on the semi's in 3 years, (Blaney, Enniskillen and the second EC win). I did a rough estimate of championship games played and in a win v lose ratio Cross have won approx 75 games in Armagh/Ulster and lost six from 1996 to date. That's a win ratio of 93%. Obviously they won the AI in 4 of the 6 years they won the Ulster.
During the run in Ulster they have beaten 3 Derry champions.Bellaghy, Slaughtneil and Ballinderry, 2 Tyrone champions, Dromore, Killyclogher and 3 Antrim Champs, St Gall's St Johns and Cargin. I think they would have survived handy enough in each of these championships and lifted 8-10 cups.
Amazed Colin Holmes was playing for the Harps yesterday...didn't think he'd be good enough to merit a place on the team ;D
Quote from: T Fearon on September 15, 2008, 01:05:39 PM
Amazed Colin Holmes was playing for the Harps yesterday...didn't think he'd be good enough to merit a place on the team ;D
Where you even at the game numbnuts?
Quote from: T Fearon on September 15, 2008, 11:27:18 AM
Closing date was last Friday 12th. The Master's selections were/are
Crossmaglen
St Galls
Mayobridge
Cavan Gaels
St Eunans
Castleblaney
Carrickmore
Derrygonnelly
Ballinderry
I have four finalists (for which you get at least 5 points each) already in Ballinderry, Mayobridge, St Eunans and Derrygonnelly ;D
only difference i have is my Tyrone prediction
Gold, I will be seeing you in Sligo then ;)
Actually this raises an interesting scenario. What happens if a lot of people end up level on points for all or any one of the 5 prizes, which could well be the case? How will GL decide the winner(s) in the event of a tie/ties?
Quote from: T Fearon on September 15, 2008, 01:05:39 PM
Amazed Colin Holmes was playing for the Harps yesterday...didn't think he'd be good enough to merit a place on the team ;D
Fearon what on Earth are you talking about?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 15, 2008, 12:51:31 PM
Only 5 teams have beaten Cross in championship matches in Ulster since 1996, EC twice, Bellaghy once, the Loup once, Blaney once and Enniskillen Gaels once. They have only missed out on the semi's in 3 years, (Blaney, Enniskillen and the second EC win). I did a rough estimate of championship games played and in a win v lose ratio Cross have won approx 75 games in Armagh/Ulster and lost six from 1996 to date. That's a win ratio of 93%. Obviously they won the AI in 4 of the 6 years they won the Ulster.
During the run in Ulster they have beaten 3 Derry champions.Bellaghy, Slaughtneil and Ballinderry, 2 Tyrone champions, Dromore, Killyclogher and 3 Antrim Champs, St Gall's St Johns and Cargin. I think they would have survived handy enough in each of these championships and lifted 8-10 cups.
That is an impressive record
Quote from: T Fearon on September 15, 2008, 02:45:23 PM
Actually this raises an interesting scenario. What happens if a lot of people end up level on points for all or any one of the 5 prizes, which could well be the case? How will GL decide the winner(s) in the event of a tie/ties?
Undoubtadly, a lot of people will end up on equal points as many of the county championships are certs these days--i would be very surprised if almost everyone didnt pick:
St Galls, Mayobridge, Cross, Ballinderry, Cavan Gaels and St Eunans.
Tyrone can be quite competitive and may produce a shock although id say most will go for Carrickmore, Omagh or Dromore given that EC are out, while in Monaghan you would fancy Blayney, Clontibret, Magheracloone(now out) or Latton.
Fermanagh can be hard to pick also as teams could beat each other on any given day but looking at the run Derrygonnelly had they were nailed on to reach the final with Pats, Belcoo(now out) or Skea(now out) the other favourites to come through the other side of the draw given that the Gaels have went backwards slightly with their better players getting older.
Still though championship is on the day and i would be very surprised if there wasnt a few shocks--i would say there will be no way i'll be going to Sligo!
Was listening to the commentary of the Harps game on 5FM yesterday and definitely heard Holmes' name mentioned and assumed he was playing, but obviously I have been mistaken.
Gold, I still think that there will be a points tie for many of the prizes
Quote from: T Fearon on September 15, 2008, 03:09:36 PM
Was listening to the commentary of the Harps game on 5FM yesterday and definitely heard Holmes' name mentioned and assumed he was playing, but obviously I have been mistaken.
Gold, I still think that there will be a points tie for many of the prizes
There is another Holmes on the team big fella
Fcul sake Tony, your knowledge of the local game isnt what it used to be ;)
I stand corrected indeed and apologise. Tell you what I'll go to see the Harps if they get to the final ;D
Quote from: T Fearon on September 15, 2008, 03:18:54 PM
I stand corrected indeed and apologise. Tell you what I'll go to see the Harps if they get to the final ;D
Apology accepted
Looks like no local club games for you again this year if that is the case
I was at the Cruppen Tir Na Nog league game this year.
Quote from: Onion Bag on September 15, 2008, 12:49:49 PM
You cant blame conditions lad, :'(
Cross would have been there or thereabouts in all 12 Errigal Ciaran had a decent team at the start of this era, Carrickmore likewise, The Galls have really only came to the fore this past few year and cross would have beat them year in year out had they been in Antrim, but yeh The Derry championship would definetly have been the toughest and most competitive of them all
I'm not blaming conditions, I'm stating my belief that Ballinderry would've beaten Crossmaglen in the 2006 Ulster Club final on a better day. We'll never know if my belief is correct or not, but it is one a lot of neutrals share.
I'm not trying to knock Cross, their acheivements over the years speak for themselves. 4 All-Irelands and 6 Ulster is an incredible record. I'm only speculating that things could be different if they were playing in a more competitive county Championship.
Quote from: T Fearon on September 15, 2008, 03:09:36 PM
Was listening to the commentary of the Harps game on 5FM yesterday and definitely heard Holmes' name mentioned and assumed he was playing, but obviously I have been mistaken.
Gold, I still think that there will be a points tie for many of the prizes
It is Collie Holmes Brother Paul (Minnie)
Quote from: Doire abú on September 15, 2008, 03:31:57 PM
Quote from: Onion Bag on September 15, 2008, 12:49:49 PM
You cant blame conditions lad, :'(
Cross would have been there or thereabouts in all 12 Errigal Ciaran had a decent team at the start of this era, Carrickmore likewise, The Galls have really only came to the fore this past few year and cross would have beat them year in year out had they been in Antrim, but yeh The Derry championship would definetly have been the toughest and most competitive of them all
I'm not blaming conditions, I'm stating my belief that Ballinderry would've beaten Crossmaglen in the 2006 Ulster Club final on a better day. We'll never know if my belief is correct or not, but it is one a lot of neutrals share.
I'm not trying to knock Cross, their acheivements over the years speak for themselves. 4 All-Irelands and 6 Ulster is an incredible record. I'm only speculating that things could be different if they were playing in a more competitive county Championship.
I am of the belief had there been better conditions that day, Cross would have won by more
Cross have never beaten Errigal Ciaran in 4 attempts so it's unlikly they would be as strong if they were a Tyrone club
Quote from: Over the Bar on September 15, 2008, 03:42:31 PM
Cross have never beaten Errigal Ciaran in 4 attempts so it's unlikly they would be as strong if they were a Tyrone club
That's one team and actually only two fixtures, as two were drawn. The reality is that we beat the Tyrone champions in 2 other years, we played a number of games against other key team eg Carrickmore, and regularly beat them. I would say that if Derry would be the most likely place where Cross would have been beaten more regularly.
Quote from: Doire abú on September 15, 2008, 03:31:57 PM
Quote from: Onion Bag on September 15, 2008, 12:49:49 PM
You cant blame conditions lad, :'(
Cross would have been there or thereabouts in all 12 Errigal Ciaran had a decent team at the start of this era, Carrickmore likewise, The Galls have really only came to the fore this past few year and cross would have beat them year in year out had they been in Antrim, but yeh The Derry championship would definetly have been the toughest and most competitive of them all
I'm not blaming conditions, I'm stating my belief that Ballinderry would've beaten Crossmaglen in the 2006 Ulster Club final on a better day. We'll never know if my belief is correct or not, but it is one a lot of neutrals share.
I'm not trying to knock Cross, their acheivements over the years speak for themselves. 4 All-Irelands and 6 Ulster is an incredible record. I'm only speculating that things could be different if they were playing in a more competitive county Championship.
A load of crap. You play the hand you are dealt. For what it is worth we played Ballinderry a number of times over the years and beat them. They are a very good side but not as great as you may like to think.
QuoteErrigal Ciaran
4-00 Leicester
1st Errigal Lad 4/1x
Bit late telling me that now! :(
Brokencrossbar, when exactly did you play Carrickmore regularly over the years? I know you are mistaken on this one boy!
Quote from: Wee Roddy on September 15, 2008, 05:00:35 PM
Brokencrossbar, when exactly did you play Carrickmore regularly over the years? I know you are mistaken on this one boy!
wee roddy, i personally played against them twice and there was nothter game last weekend, I also think there was a game another game. At least 3 possibly 4 times over the last 10 -12 years.
Fearon did not win the 2 All Ireland tickets on Today fm yesterday , gladly coming to a Tyrone listener with thanks toVodafone
I played against you boys twice Brokencrossbar. Once in your place which you played in, which was a hard hitting game to say the least! and the second time was when you lads sent a team up to play us in the opening of the extension to the changing rooms.
With the Armagh champions having a home draw, if Cross win, will they have to play at the Athletic Grounds or can they still play their Ulster C'ship games in Cross?
I would assume Cross, because its a club competition, but i could be wrong,
QuoteWith the Armagh champions having a home draw, if Cross win, will they have to play at the Athletic Grounds or can they still play their Ulster C'ship games in Cross?
Why do you think they would be forced to play at the Athletic grounds?
we play all our Club Championship games at Casement, and we played Carrickmore in Healy Park, and Mayobridge at the Marshes last time and again this year. whats the ruling on this? is it a home fixture you play at your own pitch or at the county pitch?
You play at your home pitch if it is suitable for a large crowd. Cross is, although they were working on it over the summer.
AFS I think you will find that Carrickmore does have all the requirements that you ask, turnstiles, disabled facilities, 3 covered stands that can hold 3500 people and many more requirements that you do not mention. It has been a major gripe with the Tyrone county board that we have not been able to play our Ulster Club games at "home"
Derry clubs have never played their games at home venues either. Usually Glen or Ballinascreen has been used in the past. I don't even think Celtic Park has been used for them either!
Glenullin played Newtownbutler in Celtic Park last year.
think our replay with Ballinderry was at the Glen. Ballinderry went on to win the All Ireland that year :'(
Quote from: Doire abú on October 10, 2008, 12:53:25 PM
Glenullin played Newtownbutler in Celtic Park last year.
D'oh! Well that's probably because they're the only North Derry team to win it in a while. As far as I know all the South Derry teams tend to use Glen or Ballinascreen.
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on October 10, 2008, 02:51:29 PM
I believe the rule isn't that the matches can be played at home but rather that a team with "home" advantage plays the game at a designated "county ground", which each county has several of. In Tyrone it's Omagh, Dungannon and Coalisland (though Pomeroy in recent years took the place of Coalisland due to better facilities). In Fermanagh it's Enniskillen, Irvinestown and Lisnaskea. In Armagh I believe it is the Athletic Grounds, Crossmaglen and Clan na Gael's pitch in Lurgan. These are normally the venues chosen for club championship games both for teams with "home" advantage and for neutral venues.
I believe Irvinestown has lost this status to Tempo. Fermanagh played Louth in Tempo back in April when Lisnaskea was deemed unplayable and Enniskillen was under redevelopment. I think you're correct with regards teams with home advantage playing at a designated county ground. All Fermanagh club champions of recent times have played their "home" Ulster championship games at Brewster Park.
Quote from: hardstation on October 14, 2008, 04:18:27 PM
I believe that both teams will be playing at half time in Newry. Some 25th anniversary thing. Should be good craic.
Seriously?
any betting on Sundays game ONL, st galls will be favourites i reckon
Quote from: T O Hare on October 14, 2008, 04:24:12 PM
any betting on Sundays game ONL, st galls will be favourites i reckon
i would say rightly so tohare was at the game a few years ago in newry and galls where far superior and the bridge i dont think have improved by then while st.galls made the decider last year. bridge will have to improve in midfield imo if they are to compete with st.galls as they will have some able fielders round the middle in gallagher and mcgourty
Quote from: T O Hare on October 14, 2008, 04:24:12 PM
any betting on Sundays game ONL, st galls will be favourites i reckon
No odds up yet, prob thursday... St Galls have to be faves
Quote from: hardstation on October 14, 2008, 04:18:27 PM
I believe that both teams will be playing at half time in Newry. Some 25th anniversary thing. Should be good craic.
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the Bridge supporters will cheer on both sides ;) :D
Quote from: drici on October 14, 2008, 04:11:26 PM
Davitt Park Lurgan
Burren
Declan Murdock
Pat Murtagh Aidan Murdock Malachy Murdock
Kieran McConville Paddy ORourke Brendan McGovern
Charley Doyle Tommy McGovern
Gerard Murdock John Treanor Tony McArdle
Jim McGreevy Frank McClorey Vincent McGovern
St Galls
Gerry Moore
Frank Dawson Mickey Gribbon Joe Donaghy
Gerry Higgins Sean Muldoon Joe Diamond
Jim McDaniel John Kennedy
Gerard Quinn Lenny Harbinson Sean Óg McGourty
Paul McKeown PJ O'Hare Sean Mór McGourty
Burren Substitutes: 16 Seamus Murdock 17 Séamus Fegan 18 Willie McMahon 19 Larry Fitzpatrick 20 Gervase Poland 21 Noel Millar
St Galls Substitutes: 16 Mickey Corr 17 Colm Brennan 18 Kieran Smyth 19 John Brady 20 Peter McAtamney 21 Tim Sheehan 22 Mickey McGourty
23 Chris Power 24 Colm McCaffrey 25 Peter Stewart 26 Nigel Murphy
Referee: Damien Campbell (Fear Manach)
That the puddin who does the weather!!
Quote from: Yes I Would on October 14, 2008, 05:13:12 PM
Quote from: drici on October 14, 2008, 04:11:26 PM
Davitt Park Lurgan
Burren
Declan Murdock
Pat Murtagh Aidan Murdock Malachy Murdock
Kieran McConville Paddy ORourke Brendan McGovern
Charley Doyle Tommy McGovern
Gerard Murdock John Treanor Tony McArdle
Jim McGreevy Frank McClorey Vincent McGovern
St Galls
Gerry Moore
Frank Dawson Mickey Gribbon Joe Donaghy
Gerry Higgins Sean Muldoon Joe Diamond
Jim McDaniel John Kennedy
Gerard Quinn Lenny Harbinson Sean Óg McGourty
Paul McKeown PJ O'Hare Sean Mór McGourty
Burren Substitutes: 16 Seamus Murdock 17 Séamus Fegan 18 Willie McMahon 19 Larry Fitzpatrick 20 Gervase Poland 21 Noel Millar
St Galls Substitutes: 16 Mickey Corr 17 Colm Brennan 18 Kieran Smyth 19 John Brady 20 Peter McAtamney 21 Tim Sheehan 22 Mickey McGourty
23 Chris Power 24 Colm McCaffrey 25 Peter Stewart 26 Nigel Murphy
Referee: Damien Campbell (Fear Manach)
That the puddin who does the weather!!
Yup think that is his original name
Who was managing that St Galls team? Probably a blow-in.
Quote from: drici on October 14, 2008, 04:39:22 PM
2 Frank "Red Dog" Dawson:
4 Joe "Britt" Donaghy:
5 Gerry "Nigger" Higgins:
Far better than "Ricey", "Star", "Hands", "Snout" or "Gooch".
thats Class Drici, where did ya get that? would like to get my hands on that
Are St. Gall's full out for sundays game with mayobridge? or mayobridge missign any men?
Mayobridge have under-achieved they will feel on the ulster stage and they are not getting any younger. Lot of players at their peak now so will be well up for it.
Still think St Gall's will scrape through by about 3 points.
moved to another thread
will do drici, we have 100 years coming up soon and looking for such items
Scoreline flatters maybridge who were nowhere near st gall's class. the bridge have a lot of passengers for a team which has won so many county titles.
galls controlled the game for the most part and the two goals kept the bridge in the game. galls worthy winners but could have been caught at the end. sean kelly was superb.
i guess mayobridge can now allow access to their youtube clips.
what was the score in the galls game?
Mayobridge 2-05 0-12 St. Gall's.
Who manages St Galls now? was talking to a fella last night and we couldnt remember
James McCartan
Quote from: The GAA on October 19, 2008, 05:24:49 PM
Scoreline flatters maybridge who were nowhere near st gall's class. the bridge have a lot of passengers for a team which has won so many county titles.
galls controlled the game for the most part and the two goals kept the bridge in the game. galls worthy winners but could have been caught at the end. sean kelly was superb.
Thought Kevin McGourty was also superb and had Bridge not got Coulter Galls would have breezed it. Not very impressed by some of their "supporters" or the near invasion of the pitch by their subs bench during a heated spell in the 2nd half. A bit of club leadership needed here.
Quote from: Leo on October 20, 2008, 01:46:45 PM
Quote from: The GAA on October 19, 2008, 05:24:49 PM
Scoreline flatters maybridge who were nowhere near st gall's class. the bridge have a lot of passengers for a team which has won so many county titles.
galls controlled the game for the most part and the two goals kept the bridge in the game. galls worthy winners but could have been caught at the end. sean kelly was superb.
Thought Kevin McGourty was also superb and had Bridge not got Coulter Galls would have breezed it. Not very impressed by some of their "supporters" or the near invasion of the pitch by their subs bench during a heated spell in the 2nd half. A bit of club leadership needed here.
What are you referring to? because i was in the subs area and no one left the area!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: T O Hare on October 20, 2008, 02:34:30 PM
Quote from: Leo on October 20, 2008, 01:46:45 PM
Quote from: The GAA on October 19, 2008, 05:24:49 PM
Scoreline flatters maybridge who were nowhere near st gall's class. the bridge have a lot of passengers for a team which has won so many county titles.
galls controlled the game for the most part and the two goals kept the bridge in the game. galls worthy winners but could have been caught at the end. sean kelly was superb.
Thought Kevin McGourty was also superb and had Bridge not got Coulter Galls would have breezed it. Not very impressed by some of their "supporters" or the near invasion of the pitch by their subs bench during a heated spell in the 2nd half. A bit of club leadership needed here.
What are you referring to? because i was in the subs area and no one left the area!!!!!!!!!!
Was referring to the Galls supporters and sideline and the need for stewards to "encourage" the subs back to their seats at one stage. Could have got ugly otherwise.
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Quote from: The GAA on October 19, 2008, 05:24:49 PM
Scoreline flatters maybridge who were nowhere near st gall's class. the bridge have a lot of passengers for a team which has won so many county titles.
galls controlled the game for the most part and the two goals kept the bridge in the game. galls worthy winners but could have been caught at the end. sean kelly was superb.
Thought Kevin McGourty was also superb and had Bridge not got Coulter Galls would have breezed it. Not very impressed by some of their "supporters" or the near invasion of the pitch by their subs bench during a heated spell in the 2nd half. A bit of club leadership needed here.
What are you referring to? because i was in the subs area and no one left the area!!!!!!!!!!
Was referring to the Galls supporters and sideline and the need for stewards to "encourage" the subs back to their seats at one stage. Could have got ugly otherwise.
my apologies!
Fixtures:
Sunday 2nd November (2.30pm unless stated):
AIB Ulster Senior Football Club Championship Quarter Finals:
Clonoe v St Eunans at Healy Park , Omagh Ref: J McKee ( Armagh )
Ballinderry v Latton at Ballinascreen Ref: J White (Donegal)
St Galls v Cavan Gaels at Casement Park Ref: P McEnaney (Monaghan)
AIB Ulster Intermediate Football Club Championship Quarter Finals:
Annaclone v MacCumhaills at Pairc Esler Ref: M Higgins (Fermanagh)
All Saints/Moneyglass v Erne Gaels at Casement Park (12.45pm)
Ref: G Corrigan (Down)
AIB Ulster Junior Football Club Championship Quarter Finals:
St John's v Coa at Pairc Esler (12.45pm) Ref: B Toland ( Derry )
Middletown v MacDermotts at Athletic Grounds Ref: M McErlane ( Derry )
Drung v Lissan at Kingspan Breffni Park Ref: R Doone (Antrim)
Drumhowan v Carndonagh at Clones Ref: J McQuillan (Cavan)
AIB Ulster Junior Hurling Club Championship Final:
Lisbellaw v Setanta at Ballyshannon Ref: G Duffy (Antrim)
i wonder will P McEnaney scratch his head before throwing the ball in this Sunday, can ya get a bet on it? he maybe saves that for finals
Absolute madness taking Clonoe to Omagh when there are 2 county grounds in a close vicinity to it. ::)
Quote from: milltown row on October 27, 2008, 09:46:08 PM
i wonder will P McEnaney scratch his head before throwing the ball in this Sunday, can ya get a bet on it? he maybe saves that for finals
Eh?
Should he really be reffin a game two days after the Interantional rules game?
Revised fix:
Fixtures:
Friday 31st October (8.00pm):
AIB Ulster Junior Football Club Championship Quarter Final:
St John's v Coa at Pairc Esler Ref: B Toland ( Derry )
Sunday 2nd November (2.30pm unless stated):
AIB Ulster Senior Football Club Championship Quarter Finals:
Clonoe v St Eunans at Coalisland Ref: J McKee ( Armagh )
Ballinderry v Latton at Ballinascreen Ref: J White (Donegal)
St Galls v Cavan Gaels at Casement Park Ref: M Hughes (Tyrone)
AIB Ulster Intermediate Football Club Championship Quarter Finals:
Annaclone v MacCumhaills at Pairc Esler Ref: M Higgins (Fermanagh)
All Saints/Moneyglass v Erne Gaels at Casement Park (12.45pm)
Ref: G Corrigan (Down)
AIB Ulster Junior Football Club Championship Quarter Finals:
Middletown v MacDermotts at Athletic Grounds Ref: M McErlane ( Derry )
Drung v Lissan at Kingspan Breffni Park Ref: R Doone (Antrim)
Drumhowan v Carndonagh at Clones Ref: J McQuillan (Cavan)
AIB Ulster Junior Hurling Club Championship Final:
Lisbellaw v Setanta at Ballyshannon Ref: G Duffy (Antrim)
McEnaney must've gotten cold feet regarding the head scratching bet.
Quote from: ONeill on October 28, 2008, 01:52:06 PM
McEnaney must've gotten cold feet regarding the head scratching bet.
I wouldnt say his feet are too cold now out in Oz!
Maybe some of you could help me out. The other half has a weekend booked in Sligo for this weekend and were suppose to go and visit friends in Donegal. Was hoping to make it back to Casement for the game but not looking like it with the plans she has made! How far is Ballinascreen from Ballybofey? Wouldnt mind seeing what Ballinderry have to offer if I cant get to see the Galls match.
About an hour and a half.
Not as far as you might think head out of Ballybofey toward Lifford, pass Castlefin and then turn right and head into Clady, Co Tyrone, then take another right and pass through Glebe, then you come onto the main Strabane Omagh road, now head toward Newtownsteward, take a left in Newton and follow signs for Plumbridge, once in Plumbridge follow signs for Cranagh and Draperstown, the match is in Draperstown. From Ballybofey to Newtonsteward should only take 30 - 35 minutes, not sure from Newton to Screen but no more than 30 minutes i feel?
Quote from: Donegal Danny on October 29, 2008, 02:29:42 PM
Not as far as you might think head out of Ballybofey toward Lifford, pass Castlefin and then turn right and head into Clady, Co Tyrone, then take another right and pass through Glebe, then you come onto the main Strabane Omagh road, now head toward Newtownsteward, take a left in Newton and follow signs for Plumbridge, once in Plumbridge follow signs for Cranagh and Draperstown, the match is in Draperstown. From Ballybofey to Newtonsteward should only take 30 - 35 minutes, not sure from Newton to Screen but no more than 30 minutes i feel?
Good luck finding this turn, was looking for it myself during the summer, no feckin signpost & was in Lifford before I realised what was going on...
That game is moved to colisland an isnt in omagh anymore.
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on August 22, 2008, 11:22:14 AM
Predict the winners of each county, chance to win prizes...
http://www.gaeliclife.com/club/
How'd ye all get on?
An interesting weekend of Ulster Club games ahead
Clonoe v St Eunans at Coalisland - One might have thought that Clonoe's tough tackling, space reducing tactics would be well suited to the ulster club 'slog' but the circumstances they find themselves in arising from the dromore match along with little recovery time plays into st eunan's hands who employ a free-flowing attacking approach. 2 solid midefield pairings on show but with Conal Dunne, Rory Kavanagh and Devenney up front for st eunans the attacking edge is with the letterkenny boys.
Ballinderry v Latton at Ballinascreen - It would be a major surprise to see anything apart from a Ballinderry win here. They would appear to have too much ability all over the park for a Latton team who will rely heavily on free taking for a large proportion of their scores. Ballinderry will have class players to come off the bench if required to confirm a comfortable victory.
St Galls v Cavan Gaels at Casement Park - Hard to see Cavan Gaels overcoming St Galls who will have big aspirations of going all the way this year. St Galls have a winning mentality in the ulster club, something which is badly missing with Cavan Gaels.
so just for the record...going for wins for St Eunan's, Ballinderry and St Galls!
What about the Shamrocks ye Bollix?
:D The Rahillys (Latton)
Fuckn Scud. :-\
Quote from: hardstation on November 01, 2008, 11:34:29 PM
Where is the bucking match?
Dunno unfortunately, but the football game is in Ballinascreen.
Quote from: hardstation on November 01, 2008, 11:41:32 PM
Good luck Ballinderry. Do Tyrone proud.
Thank you, i'm sure the boys will try. 8)
0-5 to 0-3, Ulster Final 2006. Cheers.
Good luck to Clonoe and Ballinderry tomorrow!
Hardstation you have to go to Clonoe game. You could be there lucky charm!
Thanks Carmen.
Ah well, we can but try.
Will Brian mc Guckian be playing DYJL?
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on November 01, 2008, 11:56:11 PM
Will Brian mc Guckian be playing DYJL?
Dont know Carmen. He came on as a sub in the county final, but competition for places is fierce.
Quote from: hardstation on November 01, 2008, 11:57:07 PM
Shamrocks is a bit of a shit name too but good luck and I do genuinely hope you win.
And good luck to you and yours, w**ker. :-*
latton wont get within 6 points
Quote from: DoYerJob Linesman on November 01, 2008, 11:58:19 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on November 01, 2008, 11:56:11 PM
Will Brian mc Guckian be playing DYJL?
Dont know Carmen. He came on as a sub in the county final, but competition for places is fierce.
Great footballer, and a what a option to have on the bench aswell!
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on November 02, 2008, 12:02:48 AM
Great footballer, and a what a option to have on the bench aswell!
Hes been worth every penny. ;D
We said the same out here a few years ago when we took him out to play for us ! :P
what time are these games at lads?
Brian mcgucken great player.Having attended a good few ballinderry games this year i think he was played out of position at half forwrd and listening to some comments about him from some sections of bderry support it rang of {he is not even a ballinderry man} sort of chat. GOODLUCK TO THEM AND RAHILLYS TODAY.
Half 2 I think, is it covered on any radio ststions?
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Banned pair to play for Clonoe
Suspended pair Emmett Teague and Colm Doris will play for Clonoe in Sunday's AIB Ulster Club SFC clash against St Eunan's at Coalisland (1430 GMT).
Teague was handed a 32-week ban for his retaliatory headbutt on Dromore boss Noel McGinn while Doris got an eight-week ban from the Tyrone Board.
However, both apparently have been cleared to play, pending appeals against their suspensions.
The news will be a massive boost to the Tyrone club's chances of winning.
Clonoe will be in action for the fourth consecutive weekend in Sunday's game.
Victories over Carrickmore, Donaghmore and Dromore saw them win the Tyrone SFC title for the first time in 17 years.
St Eunan's have had more recovery time as they won the Donegal title on 5 October and they hope to end the county's poor record in the series.
Only Four Masters have won a game at provincial level since 1994.
St Eunan's are skippered by Brendan Devenney and their midfield pairing of John Haran and Kevin Rafferty is strong enough for them to play Rory Kavanagh at full-forward.
Clonoe lack big names but centre-back Damian Burke and captain Colm Donnelly have been involved with the Tyrone senior squad.
The venue for the fixture was switched from Omagh to Coalisland earlier this week.
Clonoe had requested that the game should be postponed but their plea was rejected by the Ulster Council.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7704972.stm
Eunan's game is on Highland.
Quote from: bloody mary on November 02, 2008, 01:38:48 PM
it's all on radio ulster mediun wave from 2.15, according to their website
The feckin link I have doesn't work
http://www.bbc.co.uk/northernireland/radioulster/sundaysportsound/features157091.shtml
when I click on Launch the player, can anyone else get it to work
1-3 apiece in the Eunan's-Clonoe game after 15.
Ballinderry 5
Latton 2
any updates from st galls and cavan gaels ?
Quote from: glens73 on November 02, 2008, 02:38:55 PM
Quote from: bloody mary on November 02, 2008, 01:38:48 PM
it's all on radio ulster mediun wave from 2.15, according to their website
The feckin link I have doesn't work
http://www.bbc.co.uk/northernireland/radioulster/sundaysportsound/features157091.shtml
when I click on Launch the player, can anyone else get it to work
http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/sol/newsid_7220000/newsid_7220000/7220026.stm?bw=nb&mp=wm&news=1&ms3=2&ms_javascript=true&bbcws=2
bderry 5-4 up
Eunan' 1 03 Clonoe 1 05
Ballinderry 0 05 Latton 0 04
Mc Hugh reckons Aiden Brady the weak link in Clonoe defence ???
HT
Clonoe 1-6
St Eunens 1-5
Ballinderry 0-5
Latton 0-5
Ballinderry 0-5 Latton 0-5 HT
what about St Galls?
St Galls 0-5
cavan geals 1-2
clonoe eunans 1 06 each
Ballinderry 1 07 Latton 0 08
Galls 0 05 Cavan Gaels 1 06
That's 1-4 to 0-6 to Cavan.
Apologies Owenmoresider. You're correct
Clonoe 1-7 Eunan's 1-7
Cavan Gaels 1-4 Gall's 0-7 (both down to 14)
Aghamore 0-7 Kilbride 1-6
That last one isn't in Ulster, obviously.
anyone any links to the radio coverage of ulster games?
2 08 for eunans to 1 07 clonoe. Penalty goal
Eunan's 2-8 Clonoe 1-7 seven minutes left. Eunan's second from a penalty.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/northernireland/radioulster/sundaysportsound/features157091.shtml
Ballinderry well ahead. Don't know the score.
Cavan Gaels 1-5 Gall's 0-7.
how long left in the games
Ballinderry 1-11 Latton 0-10.
Well it's almost won anyway.
no more than 5 in any of them.
3 minutes left in the Eunan's game. 2-8 to 1-8.
Cavan gaels get another point
FT Ballinderry 1-11 Latton 0-10
mcgourty starts a row ::)
Straight red
Quote from: glens73 on November 02, 2008, 03:43:56 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/northernireland/radioulster/sundaysportsound/features157091.shtml
thanks glens
Quote from: Stalin on November 02, 2008, 03:50:48 PM
mcgourty starts a row ::)
Gone.
Well done Gall's - fucked up my accumulator.
Delighted for Ballinderry
mcgourty is a 1st class footballer, although will always be known as a first class mouth
FT St. Eunan's 2-10 Clonoe 1-8
Jaysus, Eunan's and Cavan Gaels winning in Ulster. What has the world come to?
cavan thru
And a row breaks out.
Quote from: Owenmoresider on November 02, 2008, 03:54:15 PM
Jaysus, Eunan's and Cavan Gaels winning in Ulster. What has the world come to?
Eunan's probably have Crossmaglen next, so it was nice while it lasted!
All over in casement 1 07 to 0 07 to Cavan gaels
So it's Cavan Gaels v Ballinderry, and Crossmaglen v Eunan's in the semis. Have Cross played their QF yet?
St galls turned over in their own back yard!! Finally Cavan Gaels deliver after talkin about it for the last ten years!!! Think St galls were thinkin ahead of today,Ulster finals etc
Cross play Donagh next sunday!! Walk in the park
Cross still have to play St Patricks of Fermanagh I think
Anyone have the score for junior and intermediate matches that were to be played today?
Annaclone (Down) beat MacCumhaills (Donegal by 2 in the Ulster IFC
very poor match, Cavan Gaels were the best of two poor teams, had we produced any free flowing football we'd have beaten Gaels. we came up with nothing in the final ten minutes. and this cost us the match. boys tried hard but in a very tight niggly affair (changed tactics from the Gaels) Gaels managed to find a score.
on that showing i dont expect the Gaels to get past Ballinderry, a fortunate goal and 7 points wont cut the mustard. for big lads they managed to lie about alot feigning injury. Sean Johnstone was good in parts (took his frees well) but thought Brady had a great game on him. but sure good, good rest for a while now and have a go at again next year ;)
G wan the Gaels !! not a pretty game but us Cavan fans take a win when we can get um.
The gaels spent most of the match a man down and showed good determination to stick at it.They took what limited chance s to score came their way unlike St Galls who had a lot of chances but were wasteful.
The galls lads seemed more intent on physically intimadating cavan than playin their own game of football.All the off the ball stuff only fired up the likes of Jonson and lyng.
The lad King in midfield made a couple of great catches late on when Cavan were under a lot of pressure.The gaels will need to improve but for now Happy Days ;) ;) ;)
Quote from: tkeitdwn on November 02, 2008, 07:26:05 PM
G wan the Gaels !! not a pretty game but us Cavan fans take a win when we can get um.
The gaels spent most of the match a man down and showed good determination to stick at it.They took what limited chance s to score came their way unlike St Galls who had a lot of chances but were wasteful.
The galls lads seemed more intent on physically intimadating cavan than playin their own game of football.All the off the ball stuff only fired up the likes of Jonson and lyng.The lad King in midfield made a couple of great catches late on when Cavan were under a lot of pressure.The gaels will need to improve but for now Happy Days ;) ;) ;)
strange you say that as your man who was sent off was booked in the first half for first digging CJ off the ball and the umpire called the referee, he was then sent off for stamping on another player. your number 8 and number 6 were then booked for off the ball exchanges and seanie Jonstone was booked for kicking our goalkeeper after the ball was kicked!!!! but as you said Gaels took their chances and won the match. as for the other crap well.............
Cavan were a disgrace today and I'm not a Galls man. The dirt they dished out was unbelievable. The Galls lads did retaliate in the end but the dirt won out.
Quote from: hardstation on November 02, 2008, 08:58:53 PM
To say "Cross haven't set the world alight' means very little. They haven't in recent years but they always get the win. In fact, their result against Clanns shows us exactly what they can do. If Cross don't get to the Ulster final, I'll do something mad.
Donagh to cause the shock of the competiton next Sunday? Unlikely, but you never know! They have been written off by everyone and have nothing to lose
Was at Latton v Ballinderry game. Very scrappy game with both sides up to nonsense off the ball. Latton had a man sent off (straignt red) just before half time but Ballinderry looked the better side overall. They won by 4 with Brian McGuckin and Collie Devlin not even getting off the bench. Raymond Wilkinson was the difference. Latton couldn't handle him so tried to rough him up but even that didn't work.
The Cross lads seem pretty low key,even with all the success,on the other hand i would say there has been more written about St Galls the last couple of years for some reason.
I went to Coalisland today to give support to my club mate Damian cassidy. Could not beleive the admission price of £12. How can the Ulstetr Council justify this price. I met families going home. There was mayhem around the gates as supporters could not come to terms with the price. I saw two parents with two teenage daughters no older than 15 years trying to gather up the necessary £48 to gain entrance. I saw young boys and girls standing outside, not allowed in to support their teams. The programme at £2 was nothing more than a list of teams who weren't even playing at this venue.
Hang your head in shame Ulster Council, if this is how you are going to promote Gaelic games among the youth and grass roots and i think you are certainly not in touch with the grass roots.
We should have been home and dry long before the end, but fcuked about until we got going again.
Anyway, onwards and upwards.
No,do you?
Is Brian mc guckin not making ballinderry team.
???
Strange guy sometimes hs.
Quote from: Guillem2 on November 02, 2008, 08:22:17 PM
Cavan were a disgrace today and I'm not a Galls man. The dirt they dished out was unbelievable. The Galls lads did retaliate in the end but the dirt won out.
Well its about time they dished out a bit.They mite have copped on to how to get by in Ulster.And Im not a Gaels man.
Quote from: aroundincircles on November 02, 2008, 11:10:27 PM
Is Brian mc guckin not making ballinderry team.
Sub today,wasnt used.
In your opinion is he not good enough or was he injured?
Quote from: aroundincircles on November 02, 2008, 11:13:45 PM
In your opinion is he not good enough or was he injured?
Brian is a very good footballer.
Quote from: hardstation on November 02, 2008, 11:14:38 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 02, 2008, 12:02:01 AM
You're not very nice. I still hope Ballinderry win but I hope you fall over and cut your knee during the celebrations.
Any the wiser, DYJL?
Still think you are one strange boy hs. :D
your not giving much away. yous must have some team in my view if he is not making it.
There is alot of competiton for places in our forward line. Brian, Coli Devlin and James Bateson didnt start today.
Brian not being from Ballinderry doesnt help him though.... :D
.
Jesus man, dont fire them up already.
thought that had yous ever got any "outsiders" playing for yous in the past must have been somebody
NEVER... and Brian is hardly an outsider.
what about willie martin of the windmill
???
You've lost me.
thought he played for yous when windmill folded.
Can you give me a decade?
mid 80"s nearly sure played against him gaa weeks at that time
Never heard of him.
i see Mac Dermotts (Antrim) beat Middletown by a point yesterday, anyone at the match?
£47.00 sterling in to all games
QuoteUlster Intermediate Hurling Championship
Semi Finals:
Eire Óg(Tyrone) 1-09 Gort na Mona(Antrim) 2-08
(Match to be replayed following disputed scoreline) 9th November
What happened here?
Sunday 9th November (2.30pm unless stated):
AIB Ulster Senior Football Club Championship Quarter Final:
Crossmaglen v St Patrick's at Crossmaglen Ref:
B Crowe (Cavan)
AIB Ulster Intermediate Football Club Championship Quarter Finals:
Trillick v Ballybay at Omagh
Ref: B Toland (Derry)
St Patrick's v Greenlough at Crossmaglen at 12.45pm Ref: L Smyth (Down)
AIB Ulster Intermediate Hurling Club Championship Semi Final:
Eire Og v Gort na Mona at Ballinascreen
Ref: K McGuinness (Down)
Ballinderry and Cross final ??
Ballinderry to win the final ?
What odds ??
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Ulster Intermediate Hurling Championship
Semi Finals:
Eire Óg(Tyrone) 1-09 Gort na Mona(Antrim) 2-08
(Match to be replayed following disputed scoreline) 9th November
What happened here?
Zapista...basically the referee got the score wrong. If you check the Ulster Club Hurling championship 08 thread (from page 4) in the hurling section it will be tell you a bit more
i wonder will Casement get the final if it's Cross and B'derry. for logistics no better place and the pitch is still in good order. our kids played final on it on Sat. and it was in good nick
Quote from: orangeman on November 06, 2008, 05:23:48 PM
Ballinderry and Cross final ??
Ballinderry to win the final ?
What odds ??
5/2. I have them at 4-1, know a few who got them at 6-1. Cross 8/13, other 2 are 6-1.
Quote from: milltown row on November 10, 2008, 05:53:33 PM
i wonder will Casement get the final if it's Cross and B'derry. for logistics no better place and the pitch is still in good order. our kids played final on it on Sat. and it was in good nick
Omagh would be the other possibility. You'd expect those two to be in the final though. Cross won at a canter on Sunday.
Quote from: milltown row on November 10, 2008, 05:53:33 PM
i wonder will Casement get the final if it's Cross and B'derry. for logistics no better place and the pitch is still in good order. our kids played final on it on Sat. and it was in good nick
The last Final, 2006, between the two was held there as was the 2004 Final against Mayobridge, so if, and that is a big if, it was between those two teams it would be the logical venue. Obiously, I wouldn't write off St Eunan's but also I have a smeaking feeling about Cavan Gaels. I think they have the physicality to deal with Ballinderry, and in Sean Johnston have a player who can win it by himslef on any given day. Is Lyng playing at the minute, does anyone know?
he played against us, wasn't great, a ball broke and it clipped of his toe and trickled into the net :( thats all he done. Seanie was lively but mostly frees. B'derry are a big team also so cant see that as the difference.
Crossbar you should beat St eunans handy enough, McKeown on Devenny game over
Did Devenney not puncture his lung against Clonoe?
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on November 10, 2008, 09:51:04 PM
Did Devenney not puncture his lung against Clonoe?
Yeah he did unfortunately. It's a big blow to St. Eunans.
Devenney be playin against Cross,goin to hospital was a precaution!! Nothing major i do believe:) He is captain and will do his best to be there!! Not that it will make a pile of difference, Cross by 5
Quote from: bigfrank on November 12, 2008, 12:26:19 PM
Devenney be playin against Cross,goin to hospital was a precaution!! Nothing major i do believe:) He is captain and will do his best to be there!! Not that it will make a pile of difference, Cross by 5
Hope you are right (about him playing, not about the result ;) )
Apparently Seanie Johnstone pulled his hamstring in the Cavan league final last w'end and is a serious doubt for Cavan Gaels against Ballinderry. It would be hard to see the Gaels win without him.
Quote from: SidelineKick on November 10, 2008, 06:02:13 PM
Quote from: orangeman on November 06, 2008, 05:23:48 PM
Ballinderry and Cross final ??
Ballinderry to win the final ?
What odds ??
5/2. I have them at 4-1, know a few who got them at 6-1. Cross 8/13, other 2 are 6-1.
some price
Quote from: mylestheslasher on November 12, 2008, 05:01:15 PM
Apparently Seanie Johnstone pulled his hamstring in the Cavan league final last w'end and is a serious doubt for Cavan Gaels against Ballinderry. It would be hard to see the Gaels win without him.
Is this true? Any reports on how his rehab is coming along? 8)
Its True - From Hoganstand....
Johnston a doubt for Ballinderry clash
Cavan's Seanie Johnston
12 November 2008
Cavan Gaels star forward Sean Johnston is considered to be a serious doubt to play in this Sunday's Ulster Senior Football Club Championship semi-final against Ballinderry at St Tiernach's Park, Clones.
The county sharpshooter limped off with a hamstring injury in the Gaels' four-point victory over Cuchullains last Sunday, which saw the Cavan kingpins claim their fifth Division One league title in six years.
Johnston has been receiving regular treatment on the injury since Sunday, but admits that he won't know if he'll be able to line out against the Derry champions until closer to the date.
"It's not great to be honest," Johnston admitted to the Anglo-Celt newspaper on Monday. "I've done some sort of damage to my hamstring. I had treatment there today and I'm just icing it a lot at the minute, I'll not be able to tell for a day or two how bad it is. It's very tender, I can feel it sore when I'm walking.
"There is not that much time before the Ballinderry match and it's obviously going to be dodgy enough. I'm getting treatment all week and hopefully I will be able to play, with a little bit of luck I will be alright but I wouldn't be that unbelievably hopeful at the minute."
If indeed Johnston misses out on the last four clash this Sunday, it will be a huge blow to Mick O'Dowd's side who are looking to claim a first ever Ulster senior club title for their club and county.
Just cause he says its true, doesn't make it true. ::)
Well all I can say is that he def limped off last w'end in the league semi and it looked like a hamstring. How bad it is I don't know. Sure the Gaels will probably thump ye anyway without johnstone!
What sort of ball is Mickey Lyng playing these days?
Quote from: thebandit on November 13, 2008, 03:34:34 PM
What sort of ball is Mickey Lyng playing these days?
Round
Quote from: thebandit on November 13, 2008, 03:34:34 PM
What sort of ball is Mickey Lyng playing these days?
Coming into form. Was excellent againt St Galls by all accounts. If he gets on the ball he is deadly and his work rate tackling back is excellent.
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on November 13, 2008, 03:37:31 PM
Quote from: thebandit on November 13, 2008, 03:34:34 PM
What sort of ball is Mickey Lyng playing these days?
Round
You are a big help! He's a good player if he can get on the right side of the injuries.
Lyng was rubbish, like i said before, bar the ball breaking off his foot and trickling into the net he did nothing, by all accounts, i was there
Wasn't there big scandal when Lyng was younger when he transferred from Crosserlough to Cavan Gaels?
Quote from: milltown row on November 13, 2008, 08:01:41 PM
Lyng was rubbish, like i said before, bar the ball breaking off his foot and trickling into the net he did nothing, by all accounts, i was there
Well I spoke to a lot of people in attendance that said his tackling back was immense. There was no scandal when Lyng transferred as he was U16 at the time, the scandal (or slagging) came later when Anthony Forde transfered to Cavan Gaels from junior club Shannon Gaels and people started to look at Cavan Gaels and how they allegedly poach players. Lyngs name would have come up in that discussion.
he's a forward player!!!
if Jonstone is injured then i fear for Cavan Gaels
Quote from: milltown row on November 13, 2008, 09:57:23 PM
he's a forward player!!!
if Jonstone is injured then i fear for Cavan Gaels
So forwards don't defend now! Have you missed the last 10 yrs of Ulster Football.
Prediction time men;
I think Ballinderry v Cavan Gaels wil be a great game of football, weather permitting of course and ballinderry to scrape through by two points.
Cross will be typical Cross. Not set the world alight with their performance but the winning habit will remain in tact. St Eunan's to cause a lot more problems than St.Patrick's but Cross by 4 points.
is the ulster final fixed for 2 weeks time then, sunday 30th? venue confirmed?
Fancy Ballinderry to beat Cavan Gaels although I must admit I dont know alot about Gaels and any team with Johnson and N walsh up front will cause alot of problems. Ballinderry to win a very tight game by 2/3 points.
Obviously Cross are strong favourites for other game and although everything would appear to point towards another final for them Im gonna go against the crowd and say St Eunans by 1/2 points just for the hell of it.
Should be 2 good games.
Good luck to ballinderry in seniors, Greenlough in intermediates and Lissan in Juniors, Keep the Derry flag flying lads.
Quote from: billy the kid on November 14, 2008, 10:58:46 AM
Good luck to ballinderry in seniors, Greenlough in intermediates and Lissan in Juniors, Keep the Derry flag flying lads.
And Tyrone. In fact, Tyrone going for a treble in Ballinderry, Trillick and Lissan.
Good luck to Ballinderry today, feel like they will not have it easy today!
Hope Eunan's can pull off a major shock today. Best of luck to the boys.
St Eunans 0-5
Crossmaglen 0-1
St Eunans flying!
UIC latest
Trillick 2-3
Redhill 0-4
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on November 16, 2008, 02:51:43 PM
UIC latest
Trillick 2-3
Redhill 0-4
Any idea who's doin the damage for trillick?? Mattie D and N Gormley as per the norm??
Mattie Donnelly had 2 points
Think gormley got a goal not sure but he was playing well
Cross working there way back into it!
Half time
St Eunans 0-6
Crossmaglen 0-4
Half Time
Trillick 2-3
Redhill 0-7
Trillick happy to get in, Redhill starting to dominate. Shane Gormley got one of the goals not Niall.
latest?
St Eunans 0-08
Crossmaglen 0-11
Final Score
:o some result for St. Eunan's! What about the Ballinderry game?
11 - 8 to Cross
Quote from: aontroim on November 16, 2008, 03:58:57 PM
:o some result for St. Eunan's! What about the Ballinderry game?
Any word on Ballinderry game, anybody???
So did Cross win or did St Eunans win??
Cross
Cross won 11 to 8
Cross won 11-8 with Francie man of the match
Think the Shamrocks won 17-7
Quote from: Bomber on November 16, 2008, 03:14:38 PM
Again I have seen Steven Kernan and wonder to myself how is he on Armagh seniors (he was even considered for Ulster too).
Your not the only one.. Typical Cross though, mediocre display yet they still pull through. Ref was generous at times also
Cross won by 3. Eunans started like a steam train and led at half time.
Cross came into it second half and started to dominate around the middle with breakin ball and turn overs.
Eunans had chances but looked like they didnt believe they could win.
2 Mc Entees again were the pic for Cross.
QuoteCross won 11-8 with Francie man of the match
Nice to hear. Armagh need a bit of a lift this year.
Any word of the Trillick result?
Well done to the boys at home but jaysus they made a hard job of it. St Eunan's palyed good fast football in the first half and Cross looked very flat. Typical of the lads though, that they reorganised and played the game at their own pace. They started getting big hits in and this told on St Eunan's as teh game wore on. The simply were punch drunk and could not break the tackles.
The Macs, Francie and JD were to the front for Cross, well supported by Oisin and I thought David McKenna had a strong second half. Once Haran ran out of steam in the middle, Cross took over and although they never really looked like pulling away, they also never looked like losing.
A majpr improvement needed for the final and given the score in the other game you would have to fancy Ballinderry. They have come through the stronger side of the draw and beat two strong teams in Mayobridge and Gaels. They will be going into the final as more than warm favourites I reckon.
broken cross how do you make ballinderry favorites is crossmaglen not going for three in a row.
Ballinderry were awesome - blew the Gaels away ( pardon the pun ) in the 2nd half.
Any details as regards the final?
Date, Venue and time.
Quote from: aroundincircles on November 16, 2008, 04:20:55 PM
broken cross how do you make ballinderry favorites is crossmaglen not going for three in a row.
Codology. He's barely backed them for a game all year. ;)
Quote from: aroundincircles on November 16, 2008, 04:20:55 PM
broken cross how do you make ballinderry favorites is crossmaglen not going for three in a row.
On current form Ballinderry are putting up stronger performances against stronger opposition. They have the revenge factor from 2006, and looking at today, a lot of the lads looked tired. But then again Brewster Park was never a favourite pitch for us and we always seemed to struggle there, Clones or Casement are a different propositon and as you say they are going for 3 in a row. Cross like making history so that will be a small factor.
Plus ballinderry never beat mayobridge. st galls beat them.
You're right, my mistake. They still came through the stronger side in any event.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on November 16, 2008, 04:27:54 PM
Quote from: aroundincircles on November 16, 2008, 04:20:55 PM
broken cross how do you make ballinderry favorites is crossmaglen not going for three in a row.
Codology. He's barely backed them for a game all year. ;)
As for you TAC I saw what you typed on orchardcounty.com. You're love of Cross is nearly as strong as pints!!!
Ballinderry looked awesome in the second half. Wilkinson had a great game. Gilligan was substituted as Forde had a good game on him.
The smoke from Drumarg chimneys looked to be co-ordinated. During the first game there were only two chimneys smoking. At the start of the senior game at least 15 started tp spew smoke. Is this osme kind of statement about the floodlights?
Trillick won
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on November 16, 2008, 05:00:04 PM
Trillick won
By much,game was only up the road from me but wasnt that interested.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 16, 2008, 04:42:24 PM
You're right, my mistake. They still came through the stronger side in any event.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on November 16, 2008, 04:27:54 PM
Quote from: aroundincircles on November 16, 2008, 04:20:55 PM
broken cross how do you make ballinderry favorites is crossmaglen not going for three in a row.
Codology. He's barely backed them for a game all year. ;)
As for you TAC I saw what you typed on orchardcounty.com. You're love of Cross is nearly as strong as pints!!!
You're awful insecure.
I like Cross a lot more than I like Cullyhanna, does that make you feel better?
;)
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 16, 2008, 04:42:24 PM
You're right, my mistake. They still came through the stronger side in any event.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on November 16, 2008, 04:27:54 PM
Quote from: aroundincircles on November 16, 2008, 04:20:55 PM
broken cross how do you make ballinderry favorites is crossmaglen not going for three in a row.
Codology. He's barely backed them for a game all year. ;)
As for you TAC I saw what you typed on orchardcounty.com. You're love of Cross is nearly as strong as pints!!!
In fairness BC I did say I was entirely neutral today.
I just don't buy into the way some people expect everybody in Armagh to pander to Cross. There weren't too many Cross people supporting us last Sunday, so why should they expect the rest of us to jump on their bandwagon.
I want to see an enjoyable competitive county championship and Cross' domination has been bad for the Armagh championship. People have lost interest and the low attendances at many games proove this. It has turned into a procession of games to determine who Cross beat in the final.
That's not to say I don't expect that Cross are superb team, far from it - in fact I'd agree that they are probably the best club team in history.
Heard the final is in tow weeks. Anyone know the venue yet? Casement or Omagh I'd guess?
Tac I'm only winding you, and that Bridge fecker too! It is nice though that he hates you more than he hates us!!! I don't think the Cross players are looking for universal approval, i know I certainly don't want, nor expect it. It is up to everyone else in Armagh to get up to the level that has been set. if they can do it fine, if they can't tough shit. Cross can paly nice football, but given the stakes in every game they play in Armagh in particular, whatever is necessary to win is what is the order for the day. I personally don't see anything wrong with that. As they showed against Clans they can run up big scores and play lovely football when they want to. Teams set out to spoil them to try to beat them, and to be fair that is a silly tactic, as there is no team better in a battle than Cross.
Quote from: under the bar on November 16, 2008, 06:36:51 PM
Quotebroken cross how do you make ballinderry favorites is crossmaglen not going for three in a row.
Exactly. It doesn't matter how fast & beautiful the foolball you play is. Cross have a knack of dragging everyone down to dredge football and then beating them on experience at it.
Whatever you thing, if you think that we have won what we have in the last 12 years by this alone than you knock yourself out with that thought.
B'derry came into the last game at Casement as favourites, think the score that day was 4 -- 3 to Cross. B'derry racked up a good score today. any reports on the game? how did the great defender Lyng ;) get on? did Seanie play? heard he had an injury
Johnston clearly not fit and went off early on just after hitting a great score despite hamstring injury.
Lyng done very little.
5-3 to Cross I think it was that day, with the floodlights needed near the end.
Brutal day for a game, the wind moreso than the rain and the darkness setting in ruined it.
BC
QuoteTac I'm only winding you, and that Bridge fecker too! It is nice though that he hates you more than he hates us!!!
my feelings towards cross are no different than your feelings towards the 'bridge or mullaghbawn - I certainly don't hate them.
As for universal approval, were you or were you not a bit sore on the armagh club thread when there wasnt a round of applause after the county final?
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 16, 2008, 07:52:30 PM
BC
QuoteTac I'm only winding you, and that Bridge fecker too! It is nice though that he hates you more than he hates us!!!
my feelings towards cross are no different than your feelings towards the 'bridge or mullaghbawn - I certainly don't hate them.
As for universal approval, were you or were you not a bit sore on the armagh club thread when there wasnt a round of applause after the county final?
I was sore, but can't a man change his mind to suit his agenda :P
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 16, 2008, 08:07:06 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 16, 2008, 07:52:30 PM
BC
QuoteTac I'm only winding you, and that Bridge fecker too! It is nice though that he hates you more than he hates us!!!
my feelings towards cross are no different than your feelings towards the 'bridge or mullaghbawn - I certainly don't hate them.
As for universal approval, were you or were you not a bit sore on the armagh club thread when there wasnt a round of applause after the county final?
I was sore, but can't a man change his mind to suit his agenda :P
At least you'll admit it.
Now, why didn't yous support Cullyhanna? What possible reason would yous have for not supporting Cullyhanna? :)
After a shaky first half today, our boys put in a great second half. I was very disappointed in the Gaels, thought they would be much better.
Losing Johnstone so early was a big negative for Cavan, and the game was still in the balance with 20 minutes to go. Mickey C made a great save when we were 3 points up that could have changed the game.
Its great to be back in the final, but Cross await. They don't seem to lose finals, but sure we will try anyhow.
Pints, I can't speak for anyone else, but I wanted Cullyhanna to win. I am from the parish and did go to school there so I would like to see them doing well, also as an Armagh man I want to see any Armagh team doing well in Ulster!
Quote from: mylestheslasher on November 13, 2008, 10:42:12 AM
Well all I can say is that he def limped off last w'end in the league semi and it looked like a hamstring. How bad it is I don't know. Sure the Gaels will probably thump ye anyway without johnstone!
::) ::)
Great game of football today -
Somebody said that Francie was done -picked up the MOTM award - can be too bad !
What's with the UDR belts on this thread ??????????
It's google adds. It must be linked to the title of the thread "Ulster". There was a thread giving out about it somewhere.
Cross had a very good secong half yesterday. The 5/10 mins before half time was vital as well, Cross got a few scores & the gap was a lot tighter than it should have been.
Should be a tight final
BTW, at the game yesterday St Eunan's conceded 2 free's when the ref blew them up for flicking the ball away on the ground. I thought this was legal??
Quote from: full back on November 17, 2008, 10:57:18 AM
Cross had a very good secong half yesterday. The 5/10 mins before half time was vital as well, Cross got a few scores & the gap was a lot tighter than it should have been.
Should be a tight final
BTW, at the game yesterday St Eunan's conceded 2 free's when the ref blew them up for flicking the ball away on the ground. I thought this was legal??
Noticed that myself, thought it was allowed if you went to ground with the ball. I thought the referee gave Crossmaglen some very handy frees but Cross were brilliant in the second half with all the old hands pulling together the second half. Should be a good final but CROSS DON'T LOSE FINALS.
Quote from: tonesfirstandlast on November 17, 2008, 11:12:58 AM
Quote from: full back on November 17, 2008, 10:57:18 AM
Cross had a very good secong half yesterday. The 5/10 mins before half time was vital as well, Cross got a few scores & the gap was a lot tighter than it should have been.
Should be a tight final
BTW, at the game yesterday St Eunan's conceded 2 free's when the ref blew them up for flicking the ball away on the ground. I thought this was legal??
Noticed that myself, thought it was allowed if you went to ground with the ball. I thought the referee gave Crossmaglen some very handy frees but Cross were brilliant in the second half with all the old hands pulling together the second half. Should be a good final but CROSS DON'T LOSE FINALS.
Ballinderry are looking dangerous and this could be the one - 17 points is somescoring - if they score 17 in the final they'll win the game. Cross don;t put up big scores and rarely do they concede big scores.
It would be nice to see an attacking team win the Andy Merrigan. Negative football is tough to watch especially at club level.
A few random thoughts from the Eunan's - Cross game:
- Cross showed their experience and were deserved winners.
- Cross got some very easy frees especially in the second half.
- Eunan's didn't look like they believed they could win it, especially in the second half (as someone else has pointed out on here).
- WTF were TG4 doing with their coverage? I lost count of the number of times that they cut to people in the crown or substuitutes while play was continuing. It really wrecked my head.
- Brendan Devenney was badly missed.
- John Haran started very well but ran out of steam quickly.
- Hopefully this will inject a bit of confidence into Donegal club football so that whoever comes out next year will have a bit more confidence in themselves.
Best of luck to Ballinderry and Cross in the final.
Under The Bar Cross are not a negative team now it is just they can play anyway a match dictates - that is why they win so much.
RMDrive I thought in the first twenty minutes the referee was giving everything to Eunan's and then seemed to go the other way for a while. However, Cross always seem to adopt to how a referee is calling the game and use it to their advantage. As for Eunan's not believing they could win it we know all about this in Armagh as on occasions (including this year) teams have had Cross on the ropes but lacked the believe to put them away. Should be an interesting final.
Quote from: Throw ball on November 17, 2008, 03:49:33 PM
Under The Bar Cross are not a negative team now it is just they can play anyway a match dictates - that is why they win so much.
RMDrive I thought in the first twenty minutes the referee was giving everything to Eunan's and then seemed to go the other way for a while. However, Cross always seem to adopt to how a referee is calling the game and use it to their advantage. As for Eunan's not believing they could win it we know all about this in Armagh as on occasions (including this year) teams have had Cross on the ropes but lacked the believe to put them away. Should be an interesting final.
can you point out the last time Cross played in high scoring game of championship football. For instance B'derry hit 17 pts. I follow alot of footy and that included the Cross. They just haven't done that!! Answers on a stamp please.
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on November 17, 2008, 04:00:20 PM
can you point out the last time Cross played in high scoring game of championship football. For instance B'derry hit 17 pts. I follow alot of footy and that included the Cross. They just have done that!! Answers on a stamp please.
They scored 3-20 or something against Clans in the championship this year...........
well done cross, good luck in the final.
Quote from: full back on November 17, 2008, 04:03:46 PM
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on November 17, 2008, 04:00:20 PM
can you point out the last time Cross played in high scoring game of championship football. For instance B'derry hit 17 pts. I follow alot of footy and that included the Cross. They just have done that!! Answers on a stamp please.
They scored 3-20 or something against Clans in the championship this year...........
will you do me a favour and stick to the Ulster club, not that shite club football in armagh...sure theres not a decent team in Armagh, nor is there one with balls, other than the mighty Cross
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on November 17, 2008, 04:08:52 PM
Quote from: full back on November 17, 2008, 04:03:46 PM
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on November 17, 2008, 04:00:20 PM
can you point out the last time Cross played in high scoring game of championship football. For instance B'derry hit 17 pts. I follow alot of footy and that included the Cross. They just have done that!! Answers on a stamp please.
They scored 3-20 or something against Clans in the championship this year...........
will you do me a favour and stick to the Ulster club, not that shite club football in armagh...sure theres not a decent team in Armagh, nor is there one with balls, other than the mighty Cross
You asked the last time Cross played in a high scoring championship game?
Am I a f**king mind-reader?
Sorry for assuming you were half bright FFS
QuoteUnder The Bar Cross are not a negative team now it is just they can play anyway a match dictates - that is why they win so much.
OK, I've seen them play 3 or 4 Ulster clubs games, reminded me a bit of Carickmore in their grinding, defensive style. Weren't great spectacles TBH, albeit they were all on wet days.
I agree full back. Max must have something stuck up his ass.
Max you must have missed the bit were I said NOW. That means recently. They are developing their style to siut the smaller, lighter players coming through. Also winter football often leads to low scoring games when teams are evenly matched. Ballinderry have good forwards but were helped by good conditions yesterday not normally seen in November and by playing a team they were much better than on the day.
Where is the venue for the final?
Quote from: under the bar on November 17, 2008, 04:12:45 PM
QuoteUnder The Bar Cross are not a negative team now it is just they can play anyway a match dictates - that is why they win so much.
OK, I've seen them play 3 or 4 Ulster clubs games, reminded me a bit of Carickmore in their grinding, defensive style. Weren't great spectacles TBH, albeit they were all on wet days.
You've watched a lot of Ulster club football over the years then.
Ulster Championship 2008 2 games
Cross have scored 0-24, Ballinderry 1-31. ballinderry obviously have a better score rate.
Ulster Championship 2006 4 games Cross scored 3-39, Average 12 points per game. Ballinderry played 3 games, scored 1-33, average 12 points per game.
Ulster Championship 2007
3 games scored 4-23 average 12 points per game, St Galls played 3 1-30 average 11 points.
i picked the two teams that Cross played in the Finals to compare and the scoring stats are very similar.
In those two years the best one off score was by Cross against Mullahorn of 2-13. Gelnullin and Ballinderry both hit 1-15.
We scored 1-14 in the 2000 AI Final v Na Fianna, 2-13 in the 1997 Final, 13 points against Crokes in the 2006 replay.
The game that is played in October and November is not about winning with big scores and flowing football. It is all about the team who make the least mistakes and takes as many opportunities as possible. There are rarely big scores and 12-13 points generally win games. The way the game is played is that if you can prevent a team from scoring a goal, and score 13 points you iwll win most games in the Ulster Club. That is why Cross are so good. they generally do not give away goals cheaply and the defence is normally fairly strong. Ballinderry will test it to its limits but I would have no fear going into the game, only respect.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 17, 2008, 08:35:17 PMWe scored 1-14 in the 2000 AI Final v Na Fianna, 2-13 in the 1997 Final, 13 points against Crokes in the 2006 replay.
I could have swore there was another final in there too BC ;)
Quote from: Bogball XV on November 17, 2008, 09:03:50 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 17, 2008, 08:35:17 PMWe scored 1-14 in the 2000 AI Final v Na Fianna, 2-13 in the 1997 Final, 13 points against Crokes in the 2006 replay.
I could have swore there was another final in there too BC ;)
that was one of those dark memories footballing wise, but all the sweeter for winning a crap game ;D
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 17, 2008, 08:35:17 PM
Ulster Championship 2008 2 games
Cross have scored 0-24, Ballinderry 1-31. ballinderry obviously have a better score rate.
Ulster Championship 2006 4 games Cross scored 3-39, Average 12 points per game. Ballinderry played 3 games, scored 1-33, average 12 points per game.
Ulster Championship 2007
3 games scored 4-23 average 12 points per game, St Galls played 3 1-30 average 11 points.
i picked the two teams that Cross played in the Finals to compare and the scoring stats are very similar.
In those two years the best one off score was by Cross against Mullahorn of 2-13. Gelnullin and Ballinderry both hit 1-15.
We scored 1-14 in the 2000 AI Final v Na Fianna, 2-13 in the 1997 Final, 13 points against Crokes in the 2006 replay.
The game that is played in October and November is not about winning with big scores and flowing football. It is all about the team who make the least mistakes and takes as many opportunities as possible. There are rarely big scores and 12-13 points generally win games. The way the game is played is that if you can prevent a team from scoring a goal, and score 13 points you iwll win most games in the Ulster Club. That is why Cross are so good. they generally do not give away goals cheaply and the defence is normally fairly strong. Ballinderry will test it to its limits but I would have no fear going into the game, only respect.
Careful BCB1, the facts only complicate things for some of the punters around here. There are myths to be peddled.
QuoteYou've watched a lot of Ulster club football over the years then.
A fair bit but not obviously not as much as you. Are you the majorette with St Michaels, Enniskillen then?
Any word of were the game will be played?
Who is in line to Ref it?
Quote from: snappiered on November 18, 2008, 09:57:33 AM
Any word of were the game will be played?
Who is in line to Ref it?
Pat Mc Enaney ;)
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 17, 2008, 08:35:17 PM
Ulster Championship 2008 2 games
Cross have scored 0-24, Ballinderry 1-31. ballinderry obviously have a better score rate.
Ulster Championship 2006 4 games Cross scored 3-39, Average 12 points per game. Ballinderry played 3 games, scored 1-33, average 12 points per game.
Ulster Championship 2007
3 games scored 4-23 average 12 points per game, St Galls played 3 1-30 average 11 points.
i picked the two teams that Cross played in the Finals to compare and the scoring stats are very similar.
In those two years the best one off score was by Cross against Mullahorn of 2-13. Gelnullin and Ballinderry both hit 1-15.
We scored 1-14 in the 2000 AI Final v Na Fianna, 2-13 in the 1997 Final, 13 points against Crokes in the 2006 replay.
The game that is played in October and November is not about winning with big scores and flowing football. It is all about the team who make the least mistakes and takes as many opportunities as possible. There are rarely big scores and 12-13 points generally win games. The way the game is played is that if you can prevent a team from scoring a goal, and score 13 points you iwll win most games in the Ulster Club. That is why Cross are so good. they generally do not give away goals cheaply and the defence is normally fairly strong. Ballinderry will test it to its limits but I would have no fear going into the game, only respect.
BC the stats dont lie. I guess it all depends on the brand of football you like to see and thats boils down to a personal preference. Cross play a very measured brand of football. It doesn't mean that one is better or worst than the other. The bit in bold is what its always about.
Sunday 23rd November (2.30pm):
AIB Ulster Intermediate Football Club Championship Semi Final:
Erne Gaels v Trillick at Brewster Park, Enniskillen Ref: A McAlynn ( Derry )
Under the bar, what skilful club are you from.??
I'll give you a clue... we've met Cross 4 times in Ulster you've never come out on top ;)
Quote from: AFS on November 17, 2008, 07:59:12 PM
QuoteOK, I've seen them play 3 or 4 Ulster clubs games, reminded me a bit of Carickmore in their grinding, defensive style. Weren't great spectacles TBH, albeit they were all on wet days.
Quotecan you point out the last time Cross played in high scoring game of championship football. For instance B'derry hit 17 pts. I follow alot of footy and that included the Cross. They just haven't done that!! Answers on a stamp please.
This critism is a bit silly guys. Their results would suggest that they score on average 12-13 points a game in the Ulster and AI series, about average if for football at this time of year so I don't really see where the problem is. Very few teams will run up totals of 16/17/etc from November-March considering conditions. Some people's preconceptions of Cross probably come about due to the fact that they only see them play 2 or 3 matches a year on TV in the depths of winter.
This year seems to be following a very similar pattern to 2006 where Cross were scraping through by a few points and Ballinderry were running up big 15+ points totals. If its in any way a mucky day in 2 weeks Ballinderry will really have their work cut out because nobody knows how to play winter football better than Cross.
When you see Cross playing on a hard sod in the Summer months, it very clear that they are well playing of playing very attractive football. To be honest, if the Ulster club was played during the Summer, I'd say they'd have won at least as many, and possible even more, Ulsters.
Quote from: under the bar on November 18, 2008, 01:24:33 PM
I'll give you a clue... we've met Cross 4 times in Ulster you've never come out on top ;)
Love this one that Errigal Ciaran throw up from time to time.......yes ye won fair and square in 1998/99??? but the other 3 matches happened in 2002 when the Armagh championship was run off in the space of about four weeks and when you did eventually put away the Cross team in a 2nd replay in was something like Cross's 7th match in 8 weeks..... yes it's a mighty claim to fame!!! ::) ::)
Fair play to Errigal, they did beat us in 2 fixtures. We were never in the game in 1997. We were flat out that day as we had been playing from January 1996 to Oct 1997 without a break and without a lose in any game. We simply didn't have it that day. As regards the the 2002, we coud have won it in Omagh, probably should have, but once again they got us on the bounce and beat us fairly. It was a pity though that they couldn't go the whole way to Croke Park either year as they were a decent side.
QuoteFair play to Errigal, they did beat us in 2 fixtures. We were never in the game in 1997. We were flat out that day as we had been playing from January 1996 to Oct 1997 without a break and without a lose in any game. We simply didn't have it that day. As regards the the 2002, we coud have won it in Omagh, probably should have, but once again they got us on the bounce and beat us fairly. It was a pity though that they couldn't go the whole way to Croke Park either year as they were a decent side.
Our best chance was in 1994 when Nemo beat us in extra-time of the semis and then went on to trounce Castlebar in the final. :(
You should have beaten Dungiven in 1997. I recall watching them before we played and I'll be honest was thinking that we could handle them in the Final. Lost sight of what was important that day.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 18, 2008, 02:48:40 PM
You should have beaten Dungiven in 1997. I recall watching them before we played and I'll be honest was thinking that we could handle them in the Final. Lost sight of what was important that day.
Ah yes another infamous Canavan/McKeever battle that day which McKeever won on that occasion. In fairness Dungiven were a good side with a lot of quality back then... don't start lynchbhoy on this topic though or you're in for a long one!
Was Brolly not taken of injured very early that day as well? I could be wrong though.
Quote from: screenexile on November 18, 2008, 03:09:55 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 18, 2008, 02:48:40 PM
You should have beaten Dungiven in 1997. I recall watching them before we played and I'll be honest was thinking that we could handle them in the Final. Lost sight of what was important that day.
Ah yes another infamous Canavan/McKeever battle that day which McKeever won on that occasion. In fairness Dungiven were a good side with a lot of quality back then... don't start lynchbhoy on this topic though or you're in for a long one!
LB will tell how crap this Dungiven team was and only for a 28/29 year old player manager who has won nothiong since, they would have won nothing. Not a glead. :P
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on November 18, 2008, 04:23:45 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 18, 2008, 03:09:55 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 18, 2008, 02:48:40 PM
You should have beaten Dungiven in 1997. I recall watching them before we played and I'll be honest was thinking that we could handle them in the Final. Lost sight of what was important that day.
Ah yes another infamous Canavan/McKeever battle that day which McKeever won on that occasion. In fairness Dungiven were a good side with a lot of quality back then... don't start lynchbhoy on this topic though or you're in for a long one!
LB will tell how crap this Dungiven team was and only for a 28/29 year old player manager who has won nothiong since, they would have won nothing. Not a glead. :P
True!! But you forgot to say that they all were alcos as well, making the achievemnt even greater :D :D
Quote from: screenexile on November 18, 2008, 03:09:55 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 18, 2008, 02:48:40 PM
You should have beaten Dungiven in 1997. I recall watching them before we played and I'll be honest was thinking that we could handle them in the Final. Lost sight of what was important that day.
Ah yes another infamous Canavan/McKeever battle that day which McKeever won on that occasion. In fairness Dungiven were a good side with a lot of quality back then... don't start lynchbhoy on this topic though or you're in for a long one!
Canavan was only half the man he had been owing to a fairly innocuous challenge the year before against some team in green.
where is the ulster club senor final and who's the ref?
Quote from: ONeill on November 18, 2008, 05:36:09 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 18, 2008, 03:09:55 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 18, 2008, 02:48:40 PM
You should have beaten Dungiven in 1997. I recall watching them before we played and I'll be honest was thinking that we could handle them in the Final. Lost sight of what was important that day.
Ah yes another infamous Canavan/McKeever battle that day which McKeever won on that occasion. In fairness Dungiven were a good side with a lot of quality back then... don't start lynchbhoy on this topic though or you're in for a long one!
Canavan was only half the man he had been owing to a fairly innocuous challenge the year before against some team in green.
Did he use that excuse every time McKeever put him in his pocket?
I dunno, I'll check the '95 video!
The ulster club final between Cross and Ballinderry is fixed for Sunday 30th Nov in Enniskillen at 3.45 which means that the second half will have to be played under lights. :o
What a ridiculous decision by the "caring" ulster council.
I expect all of it will be all under lights. I wouldn't be so worried about the lights, what's the point of having lights if you don't use them, having double bills starting at noon is not particularly sensible and it is often a bit dark for afternoon games. But Enniskillen is not very easy to reach from either Cross' or Ballinderry and it will be packed out with Freestate shoppers, creating a traffic nightmare. Casement would have been better in my opinion.
you sure about that?if so its great news for enniskillen gaels club.as for the shoppers they will mostly be coming in from the other side of town.have to say i am very surprised its not at casement. On a side note the fermanagh senior 1 and reserve 1 league finals are fixed for the night before in enniskillen.i would say that will be put off and mean there will be competitive football in fermanagh in december.a disgrace!!
Enniskillen - what a joke ..
Still time to reverse this decision
Quote from: crossfire on November 20, 2008, 05:50:50 PM
The ulster club final between Cross and Ballinderry is fixed for Sunday 30th Nov in Enniskillen at 3.45 which means that the second half will have to be played under lights. :o
What a ridiculous decision by the "caring" ulster council.
very strange call by the Ulster Council to have the game in Enniskillen, no offence to Fermanagh Gaels but Casement is the obvious choice for both pitch and logistics. who makes the decisions and are both teams given a view or any input towards choice of venue?
Hopefully its on tv..whats the chances of bbc showing this game??!!
it would be a perfect chance for them to redeem themselves in the eyes of gaa fans in the north.
Quote from: stiffler on November 20, 2008, 08:43:40 PM
Hopefully its on tv..whats the chances of bbc showing this game??!!
Zero.
QuoteZero.
You are being unrealistically optimistic there, Tacadoir!
I'd say there is close to zero chance of them showing any clips from it, never mind the game.
Are you saying the BBC, wouldnt show gaelic games, the same channel that have live coverage of indoor bowls. whats the world coming too!
Any word on where the SFC final will be played? Casement or Omagh maybe?
Pretty disgraceful putting the senior final in Enniskillen in my book.
Doesn't really help anyone.
As Lecale says Casement or Omagh would have made considerably more sense.
Omagh would have been the ideal venue. Probably was promised to the new Brewster Park long before they knew the finalists.
Has Enniskillen been confirmed then?
Thats a funny place for the final, thought it would have been casement. Remember Bellaghy playing an All- Ireland semi final there I think.
QuoteAnother stupid example of officials trying to justify spending so much money on all these new grounds by forcing every possible game into them in the first year or two that they're opened
Exactly. If the final had ended up as Eunans v Cavan Gaels then Enniskillen would have been spot on, but not so in this case. You have to look at who is involved and not just nominate the venue regardless, this is not UEFA.
Quote from: AFS on November 21, 2008, 07:57:42 PM
Another stupid example of officials trying to justify spending so much money on all these new grounds by forcing every possible game into them in the first year or two that they're opened. ::) ::)
No harm but the Ulster council do not own Brewster park nor do the county board, Enniskillen Gaels do, unlike many other county grounds, Healy Park, Clones, and the Athletic Grounds to name a few. We have had grants and funding but alot of the money was raised and still owed by ourselves.
It was announced on Q101.2 today that the Ulster Final between Crossmaglen and Ballinderry will be played in Brewster Park, Enniskillen
Commiserations to Belleek but fair play to Trillick who are through the Ulster intermediate club championship final where they will play Greenlough of Co. Derry
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on November 20, 2008, 11:36:19 PM
Quote from: stiffler on November 20, 2008, 08:43:40 PM
Hopefully its on tv..whats the chances of bbc showing this game??!!
Zero.
wrong !
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on November 20, 2008, 11:36:19 PM
Quote from: stiffler on November 20, 2008, 08:43:40 PM
Hopefully its on tv..whats the chances of bbc showing this game??!!
Zero.
only if there is a boxing match !
if its a ggod game and nothing else happens bowls, motorbikes, womans hockey and Linfield will take preference. If theres a row it will be headlines at 6.30 before the main news.
Am I right in rhinking that the Ballinderry v Cross game will be in Brewster Park next Sunday at 4.45 pm ??
Is someone having a laugh ?
Quote from: orangeman on November 23, 2008, 10:12:08 PM
Am I right in rhinking that the Ballinderry v Cross game will be in Brewster Park next Sunday at 4.45 pm ??
Is someone having a laugh ?
I heard it on the radio this afternoon but there was no mention of a throw in time. Where did you hear about 4.45 pm OM?
it say's 2:30pm on the Ulster Council site
23rd November
Ulster Intermediate Football Championship Semi Final:
Erne Gaels(Fermanagh) 0-06 Trillick 0-12
29th November
Ulster Intermediate Football Final:
Trillick(Tyrone) v Greenlough(Derry) (Athletic Grounds 1900)
30th November
Ulster Junior Football Championship Final:
Drumhowan(Monaghan) v Lissan(Derry) (Enniskillen 1400)
Ulster Senior Football Championship Final:
Crossmaglen Rangers(Armagh) v Ballinderry (Enniskillen 1545)
why not Omagh for the Senior Final? Travelling to Brewster Pk is a balls.
Quote from: peterquaife on November 24, 2008, 01:26:50 PM
why not Omagh for the Senior Final? Travelling to Brewster Pk is a balls.
New facilities have to be shown off. Never mind the spectators - sure they'll turn up anyway. Good luck to both teams but I really hope the Shamrocks lift the cup.
Quote from: peterquaife on November 24, 2008, 01:26:50 PM
why not Omagh for the Senior Final? Travelling to Brewster Pk is a balls.
have you seen Omagh pitch, absolute mud bath, it has to now be the worst surface in county football in Ulster. Fantastic spectator and player facilities, but the pitch :'(
Right here we go.
Crossmaglen to Casement 50 miles
Ballinderry to Casement 41 miles
Crossmaglen to Omagh 57 miles
Ballinderry to Omagh 34 miles
Crossmaglen to Brewster 62 miles
Ballinderry to Brewster 60 miles
Casement should have been chosen. Its closer for both teams and sets of fans.
Not only is the distance longer but the Crossmaglen or Ballinderry to Casement involves main roads, mostly motorway or dual carriageway, while going to Enniskillen involves much poorer roads.
QuoteCasement should have been chosen. Its closer for both teams and sets of fans.
Is Omagh not the same distance?
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 24, 2008, 03:36:45 PM
QuoteCasement should have been chosen. Its closer for both teams and sets of fans.
Is Omagh not the same distance?
Omagh has a pretty poor surface, certainly compared to Casement anyway Nrico.
to be honest the logical place for the junior and senior finals was Armagh as it is about 24 miles from Ballinderry and 16 from Cross. It was very easy got out of for the semi final.
Quoteto be honest the logical place for the junior and senior finals was Armagh as it is about 24 miles from Ballinderry and 16 from Cross.
Cross is about 22 statute miles from Armagh, are those Irish miles?
neutral venue!!!!!Radioulster
The bad choice of venue will be reflected in the attendance. There were large crowds at the 2006 and 2007 finals but i dont think you will get many neutrals to go to Enniskillen.
The ulster council will suffer financially for their silly decision.
QuoteThe bad choice of venue will be reflected in the attendance. There were large crowds at the 2006 and 2007 finals but i dont think you will get many neutrals to go to Enniskillen.
Other than the neutrals who live with reasonable commute of Enniskillen of couse of which there are many thousand.
Lets wait and see.
Quote from: milltown row on November 24, 2008, 10:18:18 PM
neutral venue!!!!!Radioulster
If you look at the facts you will see that Cross have played there once and so have Bderry since the refurbishment so why is it not neutral. That is a very archaic rule will Dublin not play all irelands in croke park before you say parnell park Cross have also their own ground do you think i dont know about neutral grounds sure why not take it to cork?
Quote from: Radioulster on November 25, 2008, 09:29:29 PM
Quote from: milltown row on November 24, 2008, 10:18:18 PM
neutral venue!!!!!Radioulster
If you look at the facts you will see that Cross have played there once and so have Bderry since the refurbishment so why is it not neutral. That is a very archaic rule will Dublin not play all irelands in croke park before you say parnell park Cross have also their own ground do you think i dont know about neutral grounds sure why not take it to cork?
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Now you're just being silly Radioulster!! :P :-*
Quote from: Radioulster on November 25, 2008, 09:29:29 PM
Quote from: milltown row on November 24, 2008, 10:18:18 PM
neutral venue!!!!!Radioulster
If you look at the facts you will see that Cross have played there once and so have Bderry since the refurbishment so why is it not neutral. That is a very archaic rule will Dublin not play all irelands in croke park before you say parnell park Cross have also their own ground do you think i dont know about neutral grounds sure why not take it to cork?
Cross have played there twice. County semi final and final.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on November 26, 2008, 10:53:35 AM
Quote from: Radioulster on November 25, 2008, 09:29:29 PM
Quote from: milltown row on November 24, 2008, 10:18:18 PM
neutral venue!!!!!Radioulster
If you look at the facts you will see that Cross have played there once and so have Bderry since the refurbishment so why is it not neutral. That is a very archaic rule will Dublin not play all irelands in croke park before you say parnell park Cross have also their own ground do you think i dont know about neutral grounds sure why not take it to cork?
Cross have played there twice. County semi final and final.
Did Cross not play Ulster in a challenge match there as well?
Quote from: Doire abú on November 26, 2008, 11:03:23 AM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on November 26, 2008, 10:53:35 AM
Quote from: Radioulster on November 25, 2008, 09:29:29 PM
Quote from: milltown row on November 24, 2008, 10:18:18 PM
neutral venue!!!!!Radioulster
If you look at the facts you will see that Cross have played there once and so have Bderry since the refurbishment so why is it not neutral. That is a very archaic rule will Dublin not play all irelands in croke park before you say parnell park Cross have also their own ground do you think i dont know about neutral grounds sure why not take it to cork?
Cross have played there twice. County semi final and final.
Did Cross not play Ulster in a challenge match there as well?
They certainly did.
They are also going to be training there this week and were offered the chance to play a challenge game on it.
QuoteWhile the weather will often be dry, showers could occur anywhere or anytime from Friday right through the weekend; with the temperatures so low falls of sleet and snow could well occur. There is a threat of more severe wintry weather later on Sunday or during Monday.
Bring a coat and woolly hat for this one.
Quote from: armaghniac on November 26, 2008, 11:28:14 AM
QuoteWhile the weather will often be dry, showers could occur anywhere or anytime from Friday right through the weekend; with the temperatures so low falls of sleet and snow could well occur. There is a threat of more severe wintry weather later on Sunday or during Monday.
Bring a coat and woolly hat for this one.
If that is the weather , they might as well give Cross the cup now and save everyone the bother. ;D ;D
Quote from: armaghniac on November 26, 2008, 11:28:14 AM
QuoteWhile the weather will often be dry, showers could occur anywhere or anytime from Friday right through the weekend; with the temperatures so low falls of sleet and snow could well occur. There is a threat of more severe wintry weather later on Sunday or during Monday.
Bring a coat and woolly hat for this one.
Hope it isnt as bad as the last time these 2 teams met in the final
Can anybody confirm if its on TG4 or not? heard somebody say it is but if anyone knows for sure it will save me the horrible trip to Enniskillen.
Quote from: SidelineKick on November 26, 2008, 12:14:52 PM
Can anybody confirm if its on TG4 or not? heard somebody say it is but if anyone knows for sure it will save me the horrible trip to Enniskillen.
Confirmed.
Thank f**k for that.
Sunday, 30.11.2008
13:30 GAA Beo
LIVE @ 2.00 - AIB Club Championship Munster Hurling Final: Adare (Limerick) -vs- De la Salle (Waterford),
LIVE @ 3.45 - AIB Club Championship Ulster Football Final: Crossmaglen Rangers (Armagh) -vs- Ballinderry (Derry)
Confirmed
Cheers lads!
COME ON THE SHAMROCKS...GOOD LUCK ON SUNDAY!
Go Ballinderry! Do Tyrone proud.
Did Cross not play Ulster in a challenge match there as well?
No that game was moved at last minute pitch was not ready in time. Only played twice in Athletic Grounds
Come on Cross !!!!!!!!!
Is the Ref from Cross itself or just the parish :-\
there's only one winner of this game!!
Ballinderry haven't got going here at all. They're struggling against Crossmaglen's physicality. Some big hits being served out
Been decent game for winter football
FFS >:(
Good game so far but Sludden is doing his best to ruin it.
Rough match. Ballinderry in particular are filthy. Entertaining all the same. Great fisted point for Kernan and lovely long-range one at the other end from Muldoon.
Thought it was unlikely end 15 a piece with 5 men booked after 10 minutes but the full quota didn't last till half time. Cross play some real nice football at times. Probably getting the best of the referring decisions as well. You'd expect them to go on to win from this position. Enda Muldoon hasn't got into it much at all bar one great score.
Balls, was looking away when sending off happened. WHat was it for and was it justified?
Sludden must be licking the right holes to get in there!
Crossmaglen playing tough and now surely will stick an extra defender in front of young devlin and Brian mc Guckian. ballinderrys half forwards have to try and get on the ball now and carry at the Cross defence.
Conway in the middle is having a stinker aswell!
Conor Wilkinson I think (it was a 2nd yellow)
I didn't see it but I assume he slapped one of the Kernan's (Paul?) as he was rubbing his jaw
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on November 30, 2008, 04:21:46 PM
Quote from: Midman on November 30, 2008, 04:15:58 PM
Been decent game for winter football
Thats due to the pitch, Enniskillen pitch in great nick, played on her a few weeks ago and the ground is solid, maybe a little slippy on top but at least players are not ploughing through soft ground. makes a whole lot of difference to the quailty of the game especially at this time of the year.
The playing surface is superb. Two games on it last night and two games today as well. You would find it hard to find a better pitch in Ulster at the moment.
Quote from: FermPundit on November 30, 2008, 04:31:24 PM
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on November 30, 2008, 04:21:46 PM
Quote from: Midman on November 30, 2008, 04:15:58 PM
Been decent game for winter football
Thats due to the pitch, Enniskillen pitch in great nick, played on her a few weeks ago and the ground is solid, maybe a little slippy on top but at least players are not ploughing through soft ground. makes a whole lot of difference to the quailty of the game especially at this time of the year.
The playing surface is superb. Two games on it last night and two games today as well. You would find it hard to find a better pitch in Ulster at the moment.
Yeah looking at it now, its in great nick. Credit to the groundsmen
14 each
Game on
Young Devlin is a good one
Gilligan playing well!
this could get nasty very easily
Great point by James Conway. Good game this
he's hard to beat. ya reckon he'd a few pound on himself?
Lissan beat 5:10 to 0:04
as far as i know anyway
cross goal over now 5 up
john never touched him
Fecking cheating Ballinderry baxtards! That was no foul by John Mac
5 up and 2 down.
Looked very fake, fooled the ref
terrible decision by Sludden! :o
Quote from: milltown row on November 30, 2008, 04:56:37 PM
john never touched him
Not just me who thought that then, bad craic!
Does anyone know what any of the sending offs were for?
tg4 never seem to show the replay of the incident
Poor call by the referee. Never a sending off
That Ballinderry centre forward is an absolute disgrace. >:(
John McEntee has more class in his little finger.
I hope Cross annihilate them now.
who is the no.11 sc**bag keeps going down as if hit by a train. derry men or derry women?
never a sending off
there's no chance anyway of bderry winning anyway
What happened?
yeh a complete dive, tg4 did show the replay!
i thought he connected first time, hope ballinderry get stuffed now >:(
musker with a goal, got a whole lot more interesting!
jammy bastards
Holy frick!!
GOAL!! Niall McCusker. Game on!!
Square ball, no?
Never heard of SQUARE BALL!!!!!!!
Looked a square ball.
were they not all in the square when it was hit first?
long to go ?
Awful effort at the death. Extra time or replay?
is there extra time?
Lets just hope sludden isnt in charge of the replay!
I thought there was extra time but apparently not
must not be extra time
Interesting game nevertheless :)
Great match.
Very difficult match to referee. Hopefully someone else will look after the replay.
Ballinderry - dorty hoors.
Back in Enniskillen next week?
Pass for the goal came from within the square - no square ball.
In saying that, I don't think i've ever seen a referee make so many bad decisions against Cross.
Wasn't it f**king fantastic?
Best of luck to Crossmaglen in the replay.
It would be nice if some action could be taken against the Ballinderry 11 for his shameful behaviour.
Quote from: doire na raithe on November 30, 2008, 05:08:51 PM
Pass for the goal came from within the square - no square ball.
In saying that, I don't think i've ever seen a referee make so many bad decisions against Cross.
Wasn't it f**king fantastic?
Jaysus it wasn't in the first half anyway, fantastic game none the less.
Why do some here think there would be extra time?
Thankfully tg4 have never got hold of inter county championship matches. I dont mind the Irish commentary but what annoys me is that they miss about 20% of the action showing replays or the crowd. Half the kick outs were missed and even a score. The guys have to realise that the game is to fast moving to be constantly showing replays of trivial incidents.
I'm not Cross' biggest fan but was hopefully they'd get that point at the end and certainly it'da been a travesty of justice if they'd been beaten. Thought they were undoubtedly the better side. Oisin's goal was a delight to watch.
Your man Conway should be ashamed of himself. No other word for it but cheating. John Mac was having some game as well and the decision almost cost Cross the title. He'd be Armagh's best option at centre half if he was available. Very suspicious too that Ballinderry make a switch on McNamee and a few minutes later he's off in an incident when they both pick up yellow cards. Thought there might have been a square ball for the Ballinderry goal as well.
Throughable enjoyable match though. Best club game I can remember seeing in a long time even if the ref made a haimes of it. Replay's one to look forward to.
Referee rode Cross, gave everything to Ballinderry in final few minutes. Christ you'd need to drive a stake through the heart of Cross and even then you wouldn't be sure they were gone. Ballinderry should have went gung ho for the winner after the goal. Can't see them winning next week. McEntee will get his red card rescinded too I'm sure, disgraceful playacting by Conway. Great whole hearted effort by both teams though, captivating second half
Quote from: Orior on November 30, 2008, 05:07:36 PM
Ballinderry - dorty hoors.
Indeed.
Quote from: doire na raithe on November 30, 2008, 05:08:51 PM
In saying that, I don't think i've ever seen a referee make so many bad decisions against Cross.
I though he rubbed up most people the wrong way (don' think any team suffered more than the other), but having said that, it was a very tough match to ref and i'm surprised only 3 players say whe line.
McEntee's name will be cleared - very unsportsman-like play from that B'derry player.
feel somewhat sorry for ref, very hard game to ref, a ton of off the ball stuff, constant stopping of man giving pass and going on for return, Having said that thouroghly entertaining game, credit to both clubs for showing this level of committment in December. Some great football.
Quote from: doire na raithe on November 30, 2008, 05:08:51 PM
Pass for the goal came from within the square - no square ball.
Nr 8 who gathered the ball from the rebound off the post was outside the square when the goal scorer was already inside the square.
Nr 8 dived over a grounded Cross defender to make the pass to the goal scorer.
His feet remained outside the square.
Looked like a square ball to me.
Quote from: Jinxy on November 30, 2008, 05:11:21 PM
Best of luck to Crossmaglen in the replay.
It would be nice if some action could be taken against the Ballinderry 11 for his shameful behaviour.
I agree - video evidence, but of course that's only ever used when the Sunday Game demands it. Possibly the worst example of shameful diving I've ever seen.
And the Ballinderry player who hit the post with the shot that led to the goal took about ten steps - this a few moments after Oisín McConville was pulled for fewer steps. Consistency?
Cant see Mc Entee getting anything for it!
Dont think Ballinderry would have got back only for that horrible decision!
Fair play they are still there!
Muldoon had a great second half seemed to be everywhere!
Think Bellew could have helped in round the box near the end aswell.
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on November 30, 2008, 05:18:07 PM
Cant see Mc Entee getting anything for it!
Dont think Ballinderry would have got back only for that horrible decision!
Fair play they are still there!
Muldoon had a great second half seemed to be everywhere!
Think Bellew could have helped in round the box near the end aswell.
Francie wasn't on the pitch for the last few minutes.
Exactly!
Thoroughly enjoyable game and excellent commitment from both sides. Some of the hits would send a shudder through spine. Some great scores on both sides as well. Devlin and Muldoon were immense while McEntee and McKenna impressed me for Cross. Unfortunate incident that saw John Mac sent off hopefully it will be rescinded and he can play the next game. Really looking forward to the replay!
I don't think the goal was a square ball ... the ball was in the square before the man was
have to say Ballinderry showed some charachter to get the draw, ref might have been helpful to their cause but he was bad in general for both teams. Cross were excellent and possibly should have won. Enda Muldoon was outstanding. Best of luck to Ballinderry for the replay
Great display by Ballinderry - when is the replay and where is the replay - hopefully it won't be in Enniskillen again.
I'll echo the sentiments above that I've never seen a referee give so much against Crossmaglen. They were robbed today by the man in black, normally their best friend.
Quote from: orangeman on November 30, 2008, 05:37:27 PM
Great display by Ballinderry - when is the replay and where is the replay - hopefully it won't be in Enniskillen again.
according to BBC it is..
Cross will just have to wait another wee while before they walk in the footsteps of the Great Clans side of the 70s :P
The Ballinderry number 11 (Conway?) should get a suspension for that. Disgraceful stuff >:(
I don't see why everyone is complaining about the ref being so harsh on Cross, maybe the last ten minutes but for the previous fifty, any kind of 50-50 went Cross' way and a few frees were nearly given before a tackle was made? On the balance of things Ballinderry got a few more scores out of their ten minute period but Cross got the nod on much of the rest of the game.
Snatching a draw from the jaws of a convincing victory is very unfamiliar territory for Cross. Will wonder thow they let it slip.
QuoteThe Ballinderry number 11 (Conway?) should get a suspension for that. Disgraceful stuff Angry
It seems that if McEntee did strike on the way thru it was to the chest so the Ballinderry no 11 made a huge meal to get the dismissal.
If Cross get the red rescinded I expect them to win but if not it will probably go Ballinderry's way.
Some very strange reffing decisions where stonewall frees in became frees out. Francie walks the tightrope again without a safety net. ;)
Gaa player in diving shocker. Is the Ballinderry #11 the new Gaa Board No 1 enemy ?
Yes.
Hmmmm, I'm finding it hard to have anything other than admiration for him. I can only equate him to Marradonna punching the ball into the net in '86.
In my opinion sludden was very harsh on ballinderry in first half and then tried to even it up in second half and just went completely overboard and almost turned the match into a sham.
Quote from: Minder on November 30, 2008, 06:30:12 PM
Gaa player in diving shocker. Is the Ballinderry #11 the new Gaa Board No 1 enemy ?
That sort of behaviour makes the referee's job impossible. Its an awful pity there is no ban for that sort of craic because it needs to be eradicated from our game.
I had the game saved on sky plus and I froze and replayed the Ballinderry goal a few times and I'm still not sure if the man was in or out when he played the ball.
Bad decisions by the ref balanced out. It was a difficult game to referee, and Sludden did his best. Protocol would say that he gets the replay too.
In the end, i think the ref did a good job caue there were a number of occasions when all out war could have broken out and it would be headlined on BBC and the Belfast Telegraph. It was a no nonsense display, and you cant expect 100% accurate decisions.
Shorty looked really out of his depth today. And whats worse, he looks like Ricky Gervaise.
Crossmaglen should have shut the game out - 5 points up they blew it. And why did they take Francie off? goal would never have gone in had he been there.
Just back from Enniskillen.
Thought the ref should have nipped things in the bud at the start of the game - but he didn't.
Didnt think he had control of the game at all - bad for both sides.
Suspensions should be introduced for play acting - Ulster Council take note.
Francie had a yellow and was ticked post yellow- next foul he was off.
Interesting game. Ballinderry were abysmal in patches and excellent in others. Why they insisted in pumping high ball into a small FF line is beyond me.
It seemed like later on Wilkinson went out the field as did McCusker and I think this was a bif help them.
Cross were playing to the edge of the rules the whole game. They were always going to get a number of players sent off the way they were playing. If that was a dive, which I suspect it was, then that boy should be ashamed. Neither McEntee is particularly dirty so I was surprised.
Ballinderry will need a lot lot more from James Conway next day out. Disappointed with him. Cross look to be too strong though. Them boys can hit and it wears teams down. You could also say Cross could get more from Oisin and TK.
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 30, 2008, 09:42:24 PM
Cross were playing to the edge of the rules the whole game.
If Cross were playing to the edge, then Ballinderry had fallen over the edge.
TG4 flashed up Ronan McGuckin getting two yellows, i assume this was a mistake
Great contest. Ballinderry seemed to have the mindset from the start that they were gonna make a point of showing that they werent gonna be bullied, and this seem to distract them from playing ball. Cross were typical Cross hitting hard but more often than not fair.
Referee i thought was quite fussy, but in my opinion did not favour one side over the other. Too many yellow cards shown, although certainly wasnt the easiest game to referee and seemed to be going on advice from his colleagues.
Cross must be sick. Once Ballinderry concentrated on the football they were quite a handful. Muldoon was terrifc as was Devlin up front. Think they have more room for improvement and might just shade it the next day out.
Quote from: Orior on November 30, 2008, 08:54:14 PM
Shorty looked really out of his depth today. And whats worse, he looks like Ricky Gervaise.
Harsh on both counts :D
He's played quite well all year tbf.
thought it was a pretty disappointing game.I know pitches are bad but I just find Cross so negative in their approach. So much talent at their disposal and their rarely use it. They got a football lesson last year and I thought they'd learn a bit from it and come out of their shell, but still the same old negativity. Thought Balinderry were very poor, great resilience to come back. But again look at the teamsheet they have ,and thats the best they could dish up. They must 7/8 senior inter county footballers. But Cross have the northern club teams in a vice grip both mentally and physically. To beat Cross you need to play football against them, why so many teqams get drawn into a physical battle with them is beyond me. And a word of advice to Balinderry if you want to play a high ball into the full forward line, leave Muldoon in there.!Think the all-ireland is wide open based on today.
Quote from: INDIANA on November 30, 2008, 10:51:58 PM
thought it was a pretty disappointing game.I know pitches are bad but I just find Cross so negative in their approach. So much talent at their disposal and their rarely use it. They got a football lesson last year and I thought they'd learn a bit from it and come out of their shell, but still the same old negativity. Thought Balinderry were very poor, great resilience to come back. But again look at the teamsheet they have ,and thats the best they could dish up. They must 7/8 senior inter county footballers. But Cross have the northern club teams in a vice grip both mentally and physically. To beat Cross you need to play football against them, why so many teqams get drawn into a physical battle with them is beyond me. And a word of advice to Balinderry if you want to play a high ball into the full forward line, leave Muldoon in there.!Think the all-ireland is wide open based on today.
Would agree to some extent there, though manys a team have went out to play their "football" against Cross and have went home with their tails between their legs. This time of year with the sort of weather we have will always be suited to Cross. In the summer they can play excellent football if they want, but at this time of year they are capable of adjusting to the conditions. I watched B'derry players bouncing the ball on the greasy surface, giving hospital passes etc and they only seemed to have any fluency in the 2nd half with Muldoon at the fore for all of their attacks. B'derry would be aswell playing in low balls to their fullforwards for the replay, or at least varying instead of lumping in big high balls as 9/10 times a Cross man will win the break. In terms of football it wasn't a great spectacle but excitment was second to none
Quote from: thebandit on November 30, 2008, 10:49:52 PM
Quote from: Orior on November 30, 2008, 08:54:14 PM
Shorty looked really out of his depth today. And whats worse, he looks like Ricky Gervaise.
Harsh on both counts :D
He's played quite well all year tbf.
he was due a stinker in all honesty, has he now lost his place for the final?
Watched the match on TG4 and had the radio on for commentary. Had to turn off BBC as it was a fraction ahead with the action to the TV so you could see what was about to happen can anyone concur. On the referee trust me he is only happy when he is being talked about so he will have gone up the road happy tonight. Was a great game. Would like to see McEntee back in as it was fairly blatant that it wasnt a staright red. Should be a great replay. Fair play to Bderry for going to the end its never over till its over.
I thought that Ronan McGuckin got two yellows. Why was hge not sent off?
Also, I'm certain that Bellew got a yelloe and two ticks before he was taken off?
Thought that McEntee's elbow was very dangerous and was corectly sent off. Did he not get two yellows in the all ireland final and didn't go off.
Think Cross was the better team and will win the replay easy!
Quote from: thebandit on November 30, 2008, 05:54:56 PM
The Ballinderry number 11 (Conway?) should get a suspension for that. Disgraceful stuff >:(
Typical tyrone man diving
Quote from: tonesfirstandlast on November 30, 2008, 11:20:01 PM
I thought that Ronan McGuckin got two yellows. Why was hge not sent off? He didn't
Also, I'm certain that Bellew got a yelloe and two ticks before he was taken off? He didn't
Thought that McEntee's elbow was very dangerous and was corectly sent off. Did he not get two yellows in the all ireland final and didn't go off. No
Think Cross was the better team and will win the replay easy! You could well be right, we will see.
Quote from: tonesfirstandlast on November 30, 2008, 11:20:01 PM
I thought that Ronan McGuckin got two yellows. Why was hge not sent off?
Also, I'm certain that Bellew got a yelloe and two ticks before he was taken off?
Thought that McEntee's elbow was very dangerous and was corectly sent off. Did he not get two yellows in the all ireland final and didn't go off.
Think Cross was the better team and will win the replay easy!
Was McGuckin no 17? THought he got a yellow the same time McNamee got the line and was yellow carded in the dying seconds.
Also thought Cathal Short was a liability. He'd some good games in Armagh but didn't look at the races at all today. Think Murtagh'd be a far better option.
I really think this talk about Cross being negative is blown way out of proportion. They played some lovely football at times today.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on November 30, 2008, 11:44:44 PM
Was McGuckin no 17? THought he got a yellow the same time McNamee got the line and was yellow carded in the dying seconds.
Obviously, I was at the game, and wondered how you all got the idea Ronan got 2 yellows. He was number 17, but Michael Bell got booked with McNamee at the time of the sending off. He was yellow carded towards the end though.
I had the priviledge of watching Cross in Parnell in 1999/2000 against UCC and in all-ireland finals in that era. they played terriific football. the sort you'd gladly pay to watch. I reckon that was possibly the best club team of all time. But I can't watch the current team with any great relish. So many talented players and they still resort to playing in the same plodding manner, instead of opening up and taking teams apart lwhich they are well capable of doing.
Don't know what to make of Balinderry but I don;t think they can convince themselves they are good enough to beat Cross and because of that i don't see them winning the replay.
We are definitely up against it next week, but I do believe we have a chance. Our team is capable of improving.
Quote from: DoYerJob Linesman on November 30, 2008, 11:54:20 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on November 30, 2008, 11:44:44 PM
Was McGuckin no 17? THought he got a yellow the same time McNamee got the line and was yellow carded in the dying seconds.
Obviously, I was at the game, and wondered how you all got the idea Ronan got 2 yellows. He was number 17, but Michael Bell got booked with McNamee at the time of the sending off. He was yellow carded towards the end though.
Think TG4 flashed up that he had a yellow when McNamee was put off. They may well have gotten it wrong it seems.
i bet its a draw again the next day--i will clean up!
I was in Enniskillen today. I couldn't say that I'm a neutral as I have always had a liking for Ballinderry. Having read through the posts, I wonder what you keyboard armchair freaks are like. Today I saw two wonderful teams play their hearts out for their clubs and their parishes and their families. Althouigh some of the tackling was as tough and hard as you would see anywhere, I never saw anything over the top or dirty. I know that everyone in Brewster Park today went home well satisfied with with the entertainment they had received.
I just can't imagine any Gaelic football supporter sitting watching a game on TV and writing on a computer.
Quote from: Gold on December 01, 2008, 12:02:52 AM
i bet its a draw again the next day--i will clean up!
What makes you think that?
Quote from: seamusthebard on December 01, 2008, 12:08:49 AM
I was in Enniskillen today. I couldn't say that I'm a neutral as I have always had a liking for Ballinderry. Having read through the posts, I wonder what you keyboard armchair freaks are like. Today I saw two wonderful teams play their hearts out for their clubs and their parishes and their families. Althouigh some of the tackling was as tough and hard as you would see anywhere, I never saw anything over the top or dirty. I know that everyone in Brewster Park today went home well satisfied with with the entertainment they had received.
I just can't imagine any Gaelic football supporter sitting watching a game on TV and writing on a computer.
What exactly is your point? A good few of us watched the match then posted about it on here, where's the problem. The vast majority of people stated how much they'd enjoyed the match/
Do you want some sort of prize for making the trip yourself? personally I just wasn't bothered with a lengthy trip and the expense of going to a game I had no emotional attachment to. I enjoyed watching it ont he TV and am perfectly entitled, like everyone else on here, to express my views about the game.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 01, 2008, 12:36:17 AM
Quote from: seamusthebard on December 01, 2008, 12:08:49 AM
I was in Enniskillen today. I couldn't say that I'm a neutral as I have always had a liking for Ballinderry. Having read through the posts, I wonder what you keyboard armchair freaks are like. Today I saw two wonderful teams play their hearts out for their clubs and their parishes and their families. Althouigh some of the tackling was as tough and hard as you would see anywhere, I never saw anything over the top or dirty. I know that everyone in Brewster Park today went home well satisfied with with the entertainment they had received.
I just can't imagine any Gaelic football supporter sitting watching a game on TV and writing on a computer.
What exactly is your point? A good few of us watched the match then posted about it on here, where's the problem. The vast majority of people stated how much they'd enjoyed the match/
Do you want some sort of prize for making the trip yourself? personally I just wasn't bothered with a lengthy trip and the expense of going to a game I had no emotional attachment to. I enjoyed watching it ont he TV and am perfectly entitled, like everyone else on here, to express my views about the game.
Was thinking the same TAM ???
Someone must have hit a raw nerve with Seamus!
He is either from Ballinderry or Dromore :D
Cracking game yesterday which was almost fcuked up by the ref.
It was a difficult game to ref with all the niggling & off/after the ball stuff, but he should have nipped this in the bud at the beginning.
Is that the ref from Tyrone that loves making a name for himself? He succeeded today
No. 11 Conway should be ashamed of himself. Was a f**king disgrace & I hope he is vilified the same way that O'Mahoney was. Will be suprised if Mc Entee doesnt get off with the red.
Mickey Mac was coming more & more into the game when he got the line. Anyone know what happened?
Muldoon had an immense second half, was everywhere.
Devlin, although getting pulled & hauled showed very well and had a good game
A lot will depend on Mc Entee getting off with the red on how next weeks game goes
Anyone know why McNamee got 2nd yellow cameras didnt pick anything up so tv viewers not sure what it was for.
Alot of Ballinderry players didnt turn up yesterday which can only be a positive thing for them.
Very disappointed at Darren Conway, what he did was an absolute disgrace and he'd be one of the tough men of that team?? In my opinion if McEntee gets off (which he should) something should be done to Conway for his actions.
All in all not a dirty game and quite enjoyable. Ballinderry can consider themselves very lucky to still be in the Championship. Wasn't a great comeback by any means, a jammy goal out of nowhere saved their bacon. Still, they won't care this morning how they got it just as long as they are still in it.
The McEntees were very good yesterday, and was Donaldson and David McKenna completely cleaned up at midfield. Don't think they will get as much ball in that part of the field the next day. Big Enda and Collie Dook were impressive while Crook didnt turn up. He will have a better game the next day.
Will make for a cracking replay.
Quote from: SidelineKick on December 01, 2008, 08:30:44 AM
Very disappointed at Darren Conway, what he did was an absolute disgrace and he'd be one of the tough men of that team?? In my opinion if McEntee gets off (which he should) something should be done to Conway for his actions.
What are you saying sideline?
Quote from: full back on December 01, 2008, 08:10:20 AM
Cracking game yesterday which was almost fcuked up by the ref.
It was a difficult game to ref with all the niggling & off/after the ball stuff, but he should have nipped this in the bud at the beginning.
Is that the ref from Tyrone that loves making a name for himself? He succeeded today
No. 11 Conway should be ashamed of himself. Was a f**king disgrace & I hope he is vilified the same way that O'Mahoney was. Will be suprised if Mc Entee doesnt get off with the red.
Mickey Mac was coming more & more into the game when he got the line. Anyone know what happened?
Muldoon had an immense second half, was everywhere.
Devlin, although getting pulled & hauled showed very well and had a good game
A lot will depend on Mc Entee getting off with the red on how next weeks game goes
Something similar to yourself FB. No place for that in the game.
Sorry, thought you meant something should happen to him on the pitch
Stop you putting words in my mouth :D
That would make me as bad as him ;)
You wouldnt dive like that sideline ;)
I dont think Mc Entee even touched him. From the ref's position it was very difficult to see if there was contact. He assumed there had been contact when Conway fell to the ground clutching his face.
Great match, was foundered though!
McNamee was definately targeted by some Ballinderry backs.
They were hammering into him and goading from the first whistle, probable because he is about 5'8" and 9 stone. Any time he pushed them away the Ballinderry man was shouting to the linesman to get his attention. Very very poor form. And I am not from Cross btw!
The second booking was something similar. McNamme is not a dirty player by any stretch.
Ballindery's man getting John Mc sent off was a disgace, there was little to no contact. He was diving all day, running into Bellew then falling down, shamefull.
Thought McKenna was really good, he has been quiet all year but really stepped up yesterday. Hanratty of Murtagh has to start FF next day out.
The 2 McKeowns were excellent too I though.
Quote from: SidelineKick on December 01, 2008, 08:30:44 AM
Anyone know why McNamee got 2nd yellow cameras didnt pick anything up so tv viewers not sure what it was for.
Alot of Ballinderry players didnt turn up yesterday which can only be a positive thing for them.
Very disappointed at Darren Conway, what he did was an absolute disgrace and he'd be one of the tough men of that team?? In my opinion if McEntee gets off (which he should) something should be done to Conway for his actions.
All in all not a dirty game and quite enjoyable. Ballinderry can consider themselves very lucky to still be in the Championship. Wasn't a great comeback by any means, a jammy goal out of nowhere saved their bacon. Still, they won't care this morning how they got it just as long as they are still in it.
The McEntees were very good yesterday, and was Donaldson and David McKenna completely cleaned up at midfield. Don't think they will get as much ball in that part of the field the next day. Big Enda and Collie Dook were impressive while Crook didnt turn up. He will have a better game the next day.
Will make for a cracking replay.
Quote from: full back on December 01, 2008, 09:03:21 AM
You wouldnt dive like that sideline ;)
I dont think Mc Entee even touched him. From the ref's position it was very difficult to see if there was contact. He assumed there had been contact when Conway fell to the ground clutching his face.
And there's the problem - referees making inferences based on players' reactions, rather than relying on what they or the other officials see. He can't have seen a hit because there was none, so what did he blow the whistle for? And why did he send McEntee off for something he never saw, without consulting the linesmen? If players are to be confirmed in the belief that you can get at least a free and with luck your opponent sent off simply by pretending you were hit, whether the ref sees it or not, we'll be seeing more, not less, of this stuff. Time for the referees steering group, or whatever they're called, to take hold of this situation and at least tell refs that they have to SEE the foul themselves, or else get confirmation from the other officials before making a decision.
Ballinderry did 'an Armagh' on Cross. Lucky boyz to get a 2nd bite. Will need to improve drastically to win it.
Did nobody else notice that Oisin took nine steps for his goal yesterday!! I replayed it a few times and counted the steps. Admittedly he was probably fouled in the lead up but nine steps is still nine steps !!!!
Quote from: amigo on December 01, 2008, 09:43:59 AM
Did nobody else notice that Oisin took nine steps for his goal yesterday!! I replayed it a few times and counted the steps. Admittedly he was probably fouled in the lead up but nine steps is still nine steps !!!!
Probably :D
He had his jersey pulled, how is it probably?
Referee's will give the benefit to the player that is fouled if they are letting play continue
Only able to see bits of yesterday's game - the first 20 and the last five. What I saw was entertaining. Cross were not getting much them, which is weird because the ref always gives them plenty. In saying that they had a forward booked for striking - why was it not red? The radio made out that a Ballinderry player got a yellow for a similar offence about half an hour in.
I thought Oisin's class came through with the way he finished the goal. No panic just chose where to put it and slotted it in perfectly.
The two benches are very strong too which means the quality never really drops. Has anyone heard if John McEntee is getting off??
And full back by that I don't mean has anyone heard that John McEntee should start a riot the next day :D ;)
Anyone know why McNamee got 2nd yellow cameras didnt pick anything up so tv viewers not sure what it was for.
He should have had two straight reds in the first half
A hell of a game yesterday, couldn't ask for any better. Went home, watched it again and it did not disappoint me. Firstly I have to give B'derry full credit for showing real balls. When the Cross walked into them phsically in the first half B'derry really struggled to find their form and a few of the shams big neam players like Crook, Gilligan and James Conway simply didn't want to know. Davis Mc kenna destryed Conway in the middle of the park. The second half was the Enda Muldoon show as he along with Big Niall and Devlin pulled Ballinderry back into the game. The shams will know they got off the hook with Darren Conway being a disgrace getting Mc Entee sent off...cheating ...no other way to describe it. If John Mac had remained on the pitch it was game over. This was the turning point in the game and how the ref saw fit to send Mc Entee off for something he didn't do, which means the ref did not see it is unreal. It would be a real travesty if Mc Entee doesn't get the red card recinded. The ballinderry manegement deserve great credit for moving Big Niall to the edge of the square, it worked a treat, great finish too. Final point I thought the ref was simply out of his depth for such an important game. I just lost count of the number of decesions he got wrong with Mc Entees sending off being the most obvious. When I watched the game on DVD at home it really drove home to me how poor he was as the ref.
Quote from: amigo on December 01, 2008, 09:43:59 AM
Did nobody else notice that Oisin took nine steps for his goal yesterday!! I replayed it a few times and counted the steps. Admittedly he was probably fouled in the lead up but nine steps is still nine steps !!!!
The steps rule does not apply to Oisín.
Quote from: seamusthebard on December 01, 2008, 10:04:56 AM
Anyone know why McNamee got 2nd yellow cameras didnt pick anything up so tv viewers not sure what it was for.
He should have had two straight reds in the first half
Quite an unhelpful addition Seamus, can you answer my question please?
The two main points most people are making are about the the sending off and the Ballinderry goal, and all I will say about them is the referee/umpires got both wrong.
It was a very intense game., and I have to take issue with some of the posters here, Indiana, in respect of the negativity. Some of the football from Cross was excellent particulalry in the first half. TK's fisted point, Stephen's point, Mickey Mac's unreal score in the second half, Murtagh's point and Oisin's goal, which should be used as an example to any young forward of what you do in a one on one situation with the keeper. Reminiscent of the big brother with that one I think ;D Indiana the game against UCC and the Final against Na Fianna was when the team I played on were at our peak. The game was played differently then, we played longer first time ball and this allowed more fluidity. Also the opposition let us play football, which doe not happen these days at all as there is so much at stake. I actually rate this team as footballers probably better slightly in ability than we were back then, but we were different and stronger in other ways.
I thought that for Cross Skinny and Paul McKeown were excellent in the back line, as was JD. Pity he never learned though to pass, thank God I don't play with him anymore :P The midfield diamond of the twins and Titch were unreal. There were two shoulders that Tony hit which were text book bone rattlers and a perfect example of how to do it. He is the best I have ever seen at doing it. Mickey was great in the forward line, but the rest of the forwards can step up a bit more, so there is work to be done.
Fair play to Ballinderry, as they showed serious chacter to get back into it and Muldoon was the pick of them.
Hopefully the Ulster disciplinary board will deal with the appeal for the red card quickly and not drag their heels.
The referee is getting alot of stick for his performance. Alot of frees were awarded but 2 of the sending offs were dictated by his linesman as far as i could see
Quote from: SidelineKick on December 01, 2008, 10:08:05 AM
Quote from: seamusthebard on December 01, 2008, 10:04:56 AM
Anyone know why McNamee got 2nd yellow cameras didn't pick anything up so tv viewers not sure what it was for.
He should have had two straight reds in the first half
Quite an unhelpful addition Seamus, can you answer my question please?
Sideline, he got a 2nd booking for been involved with the sub who came on to curb him & tried to rape him when he made a run for the ball, infact McNamee's short were at his knees at one stage and the linesman must have imply ed that they were both at it. I didn't see the McEntee incident, but McNamee's was a disgrace also.
Can I also point out that as a gael, no matter were you come from we all love our great game, but some of the language from the Ballinderry management & their supports during & after the game was the worst I've ever heard.
When Aaron Kernan was taking a free from the stand side in the 1st half the Ballinderry manager was shouting "You south Armagh Bastard".. what sort of example is that to set to your own players, never mind the supports that follow them.
I've often heard of the thuggery that goes on in Derry Championships, now I know why.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 01, 2008, 10:30:50 AM
Indiana the game against UCC and the Final against Na Fianna was when the team I played on were at our peak. The game was played differently then, we played longer first time ball and this allowed more fluidity.
I arrived from Spain that morning and went straight to the game, sunburned to the bit in agony as 15 skulls and crossbones ran around the field. Is my memory playing up or is that the day McEntee grabbed the poor doggie by the neck and hurled him. :D
Quote from: goal and a point on December 01, 2008, 10:36:31 AM
The referee is getting alot of stick for his performance. Alot of frees were awarded but 2 of the sending offs were dictated by his linesman as far as i could see
you a correct & it was the same linesman both times.
Quote from: goh4205 on December 01, 2008, 10:38:17 AM
Quote from: SidelineKick on December 01, 2008, 10:08:05 AM
Quote from: seamusthebard on December 01, 2008, 10:04:56 AM
Anyone know why McNamee got 2nd yellow cameras didn't pick anything up so tv viewers not sure what it was for.
He should have had two straight reds in the first half
Quite an unhelpful addition Seamus, can you answer my question please?
Sideline, he got a 2nd booking for been involved with the sub who came on to curb him & tried to rape him when he made a run for the ball, infact McNamee's short were at his knees at one stage and the linesman must have imply ed that they were both at it. I didn't see the McEntee incident, but McNamee's was a disgrace also.
Can I also point out that as a gael, no matter were you come from we all love our great game, but some of the language from the Ballinderry management & their supports during & after the game was the worst I've ever heard.
When Aaron Kernan was taking a free from the stand side in the 1st half the Ballinderry manager was shouting "You south Armagh b**tard".. what sort of example is that to set to your own players, never mind the supports that follow them.
I've often heard of the thuggery that goes on in Derry Championships, now I know why.
Now now, stones and glass houses and all. Cross fans have not the nicest reputation either so I wouldn't get into that.
Thoroughly great battle yesterday. Underdog usually misses the boat as it were the first day but the great escape as it were makes for some tussle next week. Cross really controlled the first half, really had their homework done. This was most evident as Wilkinson who was ballinderry's best player this past few games did not get into the game at all. he may start on the wing next time around.
Ballinderry came off second in the physical stakes, but then again most teams do against cross.
Darren Conway let himself down, will be very suprised if John mCEntee doesn't get that turned over. The goal by Niall McCusker was very fortunate but the pressure did tell. Devlin showed glimpses when he escaped the shackles.
Disappointed with the replay being put in enniskillen again. There's only one ref with a bit of common sense and it should be Pat McEneaney doing the replay. yesterday's ref was a disgrace. Typical Tyrone
Cheers goh.
I think Ballinderry got it wrong in terms of trying to match the Cross physicality and cuteness (albeit the cuteness thing worked), they are a great footballing team and should stick to that. Cross can match hard hitting with quality football and for the most part of yesterday were a class act to watch.
Quote from: goh4205 on December 01, 2008, 10:38:17 AM
When Aaron Kernan was taking a free from the stand side in the 1st half the Ballinderry manager was shouting "You south Armagh b**tard".. what sort of example is that to set to your own players, never mind the supports that follow them.
I've often heard of the thuggery that goes on in Derry Championships, now I know why.
I can confirm that sort thing isnt unusual. It gets to the point where Ballinderry do whatever it takes to win even if that means losing dignity and letting themselves down.
Quote from: Kentucky Blue on December 01, 2008, 10:43:14 AM
Disappointed with the replay being put in enniskillen again.
I can understand this from a travelling point of view but one of the main things that helped the game yesterday was the condition of the pitch.
We had 2 games played on it Saturday night and 2 games played on it on Sunday. That's 4 games in 24 hours(all senior mens matches).
There are very few pitches in the country that could take so many games this time of year and still be playable.
Have to agree Brewster park now has one of the best surfaces in the country.
TG4 didnt show the mcnamee incident, thats why i didnt know it wasnt Ronan who was involved. They flashed up a yellow for No.17 and his name and the camera featured on him for about 10 seconds. Thats why anyone who wasnt there thought that he got 2 yellows and stayed on the pitch
Quote from: Kentucky Blue on December 01, 2008, 10:43:14 AM
Disappointed with the replay being put in enniskillen again. There's only one ref with a bit of common sense and it should be Pat McEneaney doing the replay. yesterday's ref was a disgrace.Typical Tyrone
Another satisfied customer ;D
I take it you mean he's been particularly successful these last few years? ;)
He made a few mistakes, but this was a game that had the capacity to boil over at any minute, and that no such materialised is down to him, to a degree.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on December 01, 2008, 12:52:19 PM
He made a few mistakes, but this was a game that had the capacity to boil over at any minute, and that no such materialised is down to him, to a degree.
Post of the year :D :D
QuoteDarren Conway let himself down, will be very suprised if John mCEntee doesn't get that turned over. The goal by Niall McCusker was very fortunate but the pressure did tell. Devlin showed glimpses when he escaped the shackles.
That was shocking. I only flicked over for a few minutes, but I saw that incident. That was worse than Aidan O'Mahoney against Cork, because this lad lay down pretending to be injured, holding his face.
Brutal, brutal shenanigans.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on December 01, 2008, 12:52:19 PM
Quote from: Kentucky Blue on December 01, 2008, 10:43:14 AM
Disappointed with the replay being put in enniskillen again. There's only one ref with a bit of common sense and it should be Pat McEneaney doing the replay. yesterday's ref was a disgrace.Typical Tyrone
Another satisfied customer ;D
I take it you mean he's been particularly successful these last few years? ;)
He made a few mistakes, but this was a game that had the capacity to boil over at any minute, and that no such materialised is down to him, to a degree.
:D :D :D :D :D :D how far is your head up yer
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Quote from: AZOffaly on December 01, 2008, 12:54:55 PM
QuoteDarren Conway let himself down, will be very suprised if John mCEntee doesn't get that turned over. The goal by Niall McCusker was very fortunate but the pressure did tell. Devlin showed glimpses when he escaped the shackles.
That was shocking. I only flicked over for a few minutes, but I saw that incident. That was worse than Aidan O'Mahoney against Cork, because this lad lay down pretending to be injured, holding his face.
Brutal, brutal shenanigans.
Adian sprang to mind imediately that happened - the players make it difficult enough for refs without this sort of carry on.
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on December 01, 2008, 12:56:01 PM
:D :D :D :D :D :D how far is your head up yer
He could have made an even bigger hames of it (believe me), and if he hadn't have sent Mc Entee off, Ballinderry were history! Now we all have Part II to look forward to ;)
Highlight of the match for me was Tony Mac's shoulder on Ballinderry's no 10.........he had to be taken off in the second half, when the twins hit you you know about it, pity it wasn't on Conway.
Only Oisin would've scored that goal, he left it right to the last moment to see the goalie committing himself before slotting it, how many forwards would've shot much earlier to give the goalie a chance?? Sheer class.......
there were some massive hit's alright,and all fare shoulder to shoulder.injoyed the game and like most when cross when up by 5 i would have put the house on them but the shamrocks really gave it all and fair play to them,they answered a few questions yesterday if they had the balls for it,looking forward to the replay.
Cross to appeal McEntee red card
John McEntee is sent off by referee Martin Sludden in the final
Crossmaglen Rangers are set to appeal the dismissal of John McEntee in the 1-10 to 1-10 draw against Ballinderry in the Ulster Club Football final.
McEntee recieved a straight red card from referee Martin Sludden for an elbow on Darren Conway and he is banned for Sunday's replay at Brewster Park.
"The referee got it wrong - he had a huge bearing on the game," McEntee told the Irish News.
Three players were sent off and 12 yellow cards shown in the decider.
Michael McNamee of Cross and Ballinderry's Conor Wilkonson were red-carded before McEntee's exit seven minutes from time.
"There was no contact above his fifth rib - if anything, I might have caught his elbow," added McEntee.
"I don't like to criticise referees, but bad referees make bad decisions.
"That was one of many unfortunately. What can you do? We're lucky to get a second chance."
Any word of the referee for next week?
If it is Sludden, Mc Entee can expect an early bath again
He is spot on BTW
any word if the replay will b on TG4??
Quote from: mackers on December 01, 2008, 01:37:04 PM
Highlight of the match for me was Tony Mac's shoulder on Ballinderry's no 10.........he had to be taken off in the second half, when the twins hit you you know about it, pity it wasn't on Conway.
Only Oisin would've scored that goal, he left it right to the last moment to see the goalie committing himself before slotting it, how many forwards would've shot much earlier to give the goalie a chance?? Sheer class.......
Oisin might have lost a yard or two of pace but none of the cuteness and craft -
There might be about 6 forwards in Ireland who would have done what Oisin did in scoring that goal -
The defender made it a wee bit easier by not adavancing towards him - but a super finish.
As was big Niall's finish.
Certainly Ballinderry had great spirit, no other Ulster team would have even achieved a draw and some class play. But some of the carryon of players and supporters wasn't very classy, including the jeering at freetakers. McNamee was targeted, in the second half when he already had a yellow the sub could hassle him and ensure they both got a card.
No ref was going to have it easy yesterday, and diving didn't help. However given the (light hearted) observations about Ballinderry being in Tyrone perhaps it would have looked better if the ref had come from the likes of Fermanagh or Cavan.
Enniskillen is a fine ground now, but is one awkward place to travel to. They should light the scoreboard if they are going to have floodlight games.
Whoever is ref, it can't be Sludden. A ref is not allowed to referee a replay of a game he was involved in.
Quote from: orangeman on December 01, 2008, 02:44:12 PM
Quote from: mackers on December 01, 2008, 01:37:04 PM
Highlight of the match for me was Tony Mac's shoulder on Ballinderry's no 10.........he had to be taken off in the second half, when the twins hit you you know about it, pity it wasn't on Conway.
Only Oisin would've scored that goal, he left it right to the last moment to see the goalie committing himself before slotting it, how many forwards would've shot much earlier to give the goalie a chance?? Sheer class.......
Oisin might have lost a yard or two of pace but none of the cuteness and craft -
There might be about 6 forwards in Ireland who would have done what Oisin did in scoring that goal -
The defender made it a wee bit easier by not adavancing towards him - but a super finish.
As was big Niall's finish.
Ballinderry goal was a square ball. shouldn't have been allowed.
Quote from: behind the wire on December 01, 2008, 03:01:13 PM
Quote from: orangeman on December 01, 2008, 02:44:12 PM
Quote from: mackers on December 01, 2008, 01:37:04 PM
Highlight of the match for me was Tony Mac's shoulder on Ballinderry's no 10.........he had to be taken off in the second half, when the twins hit you you know about it, pity it wasn't on Conway.
Only Oisin would've scored that goal, he left it right to the last moment to see the goalie committing himself before slotting it, how many forwards would've shot much earlier to give the goalie a chance?? Sheer class.......
Oisin might have lost a yard or two of pace but none of the cuteness and craft -
There might be about 6 forwards in Ireland who would have done what Oisin did in scoring that goal -
The defender made it a wee bit easier by not adavancing towards him - but a super finish.
As was big Niall's finish.
Ballinderry goal was a square ball. shouldn't have been allowed.
came off the post
He received a pass from James Conway.
Oisin's goal should have been disallowed for taking nine steps!!!
The goal was a square ball
The player was in the square when he received the ball
The Cross players were claiming it, but Sludden would have got hammered if he had disallowed it & the umpires wouldnt have had the balls to call it
Keeps the interest in football going into December which is a pleasant change.
Pity TG4 arent going to show the game
Will it be on the net?
Quote from: amigo on December 01, 2008, 03:09:57 PM
Oisin's goal should have been disallowed for taking nine steps!!!
Neda watch the tape 2nite to make sure of that one, but im nearly certain he fouled on the ball by switching hands? Neda watch it tonight to be certain, but i thought it at the time
Quote from: full back on December 01, 2008, 03:10:14 PM
The goal was a square ball
The player was in the square when he received the ball
The Cross players were claiming it, but Sludden would have got hammered if he had disallowed it & the umpires wouldnt have had the balls to call it
Keeps the interest in football going into December which is a pleasant change.
Pity TG4 arent going to show the game
Will it be on the net?
Is it still a square ball even when the pass comes from within the square?
I thought it was only a square ball when receiveing it from outside the small square? ???
DÉ DOMHNAIGH, 7ú NOLLAIG
1:30pm - GAA BEO ar an aer
2:00pm: BEO - Craobh Club AIB, Cluiche Ceannais Peile Laighean
Cill Mochuda na Crócaigh (Áth Cliath) -vs- Ród (Uíbh Fhailí)
IONAD: Páirc Parnell, Baile Átha Cliath
NÓTA: Am breise más gá (2 x 10 nóiméad).
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3:45pm: BEO - Craobh Club AIB, Cluiche Ceannais Peile Uladh - Athimirt
Raonaithe na Croise (Ard Mhacha) -vs- Seamróga Baile an Doire (Doire)
IONAD: Páirc Brewster, Inis Cheitleann
NÓTA: Am breise más gá (2 x 10 nóiméad).
Á chur i lathair ag Micheál Ó Domhnaill le tráchtaireacht ó Bhrian Tyers agus Tomás Ó hAilín.
TG4 showing it live !!
conway was outside the square
Great stuff!!!
James Conway was outside the small square if I can remember right!
What game is it replacing?
Good to see it is on live
Cant be 100% sure, need to watch it again, but I thought the pass came from outside the small square
Quote from: armaghniac on December 01, 2008, 02:49:15 PM
jeering at freetakers.
Came across on the radio very loudly, a disgrace and seemed to be coming from the Derry fans. Cheering frees and cheering wides would drive you mad.
Quote from: corn02 on December 01, 2008, 03:18:15 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 01, 2008, 02:49:15 PM
jeering at freetakers.
Came across on the radio very loudly, a disgrace and seemed to be coming from the Derry fans. Cheering frees and cheering wides would drive you mad.
so what you saying?it was just ballinderry fans,this has been going on as long as i can remeber and theres supporters from EVERY team who partake in this unsporting conduct
Quote from: amigo on December 01, 2008, 03:09:57 PM
Oisin's goal should have been disallowed for taking nine steps!!!
Amigo, get over it FFS...... he over carried because he was being fouled.........if you say rules are rules then it was a penalty......my point was how coolly he finished it. Ballinderry goal was not a square ball imo......ball came from the post to Conway who was outside the square, he was in the square when he passed it to McCusker so no square ball there either. Surely the square ball rule is if you are in the square before the ball is and neither McCusker or Conway were in the square before the ball.
Quote from: WolfeTone on December 01, 2008, 03:11:48 PM
Quote from: amigo on December 01, 2008, 03:09:57 PM
Oisin's goal should have been disallowed for taking nine steps!!!
Neda watch the tape 2nite to make sure of that one, but im nearly certain he fouled on the ball by switching hands? Neda watch it tonight to be certain, but i thought it at the time
Where did this changing hands myth come from? Utter nonsense!
Quote from: mackers on December 01, 2008, 03:25:30 PM
Quote from: amigo on December 01, 2008, 03:09:57 PM
Oisin's goal should have been disallowed for taking nine steps!!!
Amigo, get over it FFS...... he over carried because he was being fouled.........if you say rules are rules then it was a penalty......my point was how coolly he finished it. Ballinderry goal was not a square ball imo......ball came from the post to Conway who was outside the square, he was in the square when he passed it to McCusker so no square ball there either. Surely the square ball rule is if you are in the square before the ball is and neither McCusker or Conway were in the square before the ball.
conway was outside. he passed the ball into the square. mccusker was already there. square ball.
watch it tonight on the news.
Just watched it again... Conway's left foot was in the square when he passed the ball and from what I could see the ball was in too. I don't think it was square ball.
The free that was given against Cross that led up to the goal was dubious as the Ballinderry player had a foot in when the cross player went to pick up the ball although the Cross player made no attempt to get his toe under the ball. Darren Conway overcarried just before the kick that came off the post also but then McConville also did for his goal.
Oh and the game is online
www.tg4.tv
Click on the sport link on the left hand side and the game should be there.
tell me this lads are there highlights of this game on this game on tonight? If not where could i find them.
Quote from: Drumanee 1 on December 01, 2008, 03:22:30 PM
Quote from: corn02 on December 01, 2008, 03:18:15 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 01, 2008, 02:49:15 PM
jeering at freetakers.
Came across on the radio very loudly, a disgrace and seemed to be coming from the Derry fans. Cheering frees and cheering wides would drive you mad.
so what you saying?it was just ballinderry fans,this has been going on as long as i can remeber and theres supporters from EVERY team who partake in this unsporting conduct
I was talking about Sunday's match. Idid not hear any jeering from the Cross fans. Wind your neck in, it is a thread on Sunday's game.
Quote from: corn02 on December 01, 2008, 04:01:59 PM
Quote from: Drumanee 1 on December 01, 2008, 03:22:30 PM
Quote from: corn02 on December 01, 2008, 03:18:15 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 01, 2008, 02:49:15 PM
jeering at freetakers.
Came across on the radio very loudly, a disgrace and seemed to be coming from the Derry fans. Cheering frees and cheering wides would drive you mad.
so what you saying?it was just ballinderry fans,this has been going on as long as i can remeber and theres supporters from EVERY team who partake in this unsporting conduct
I was talking about Sunday's match. Idid not hear any jeering from the Cross fans. Wind your neck in, it is a thread on Sunday's game.
what evveer
Quote from: drici on December 01, 2008, 03:55:24 PM
Quote from: amigo on December 01, 2008, 03:13:51 PM
DÉ DOMHNAIGH, 7ú NOLLAIG
3:45pm: BEO - Craobh Club AIB, Cluiche Ceannais Peile Uladh - Athimirt
Raonaithe na Croise (Árd Macha) -vs- Seamróga Baile an Doire (Doire)
IONAD: Páirc Brewster, Inis Cheitleann
NÓTA: Am breise más gá (2 x 10 nóiméad).
TG4 showing it live !!
Well done TG4 - was a decision between the Ulster Final and going up to St Pauls for the Armagh Harps/Scotstown and Creggan/Belcoo matches.
St Pauls wins out now especially on the back of The Pogues concert the night before.
Wouldn't be looking extra time in the Leinster Final though.
Why not? Do you think Rhode will be well beaten? They might surprise you...
Quote from: Drumanee 1 on December 01, 2008, 04:08:21 PM
Quote from: corn02 on December 01, 2008, 04:01:59 PM
Quote from: Drumanee 1 on December 01, 2008, 03:22:30 PM
Quote from: corn02 on December 01, 2008, 03:18:15 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 01, 2008, 02:49:15 PM
jeering at freetakers.
Came across on the radio very loudly, a disgrace and seemed to be coming from the Derry fans. Cheering frees and cheering wides would drive you mad.
so what you saying?it was just ballinderry fans,this has been going on as long as i can remeber and theres supporters from EVERY team who partake in this unsporting conduct
I was talking about Sunday's match. Idid not hear any jeering from the Cross fans. Wind your neck in, it is a thread on Sunday's game.
what evveer
Boom boom.
in fairness i've heard worse than jeers coming from cross' fans over the years. Jeering happens at nearly every match, players ignore it so I don't see why it should bother anyone
as you say it happens every match and yesterday was no different,having been at the match it didnt seem any louder than usual,and from both sides and it's always a pile of young one's doing it,have never actually see a adult booing at matches although thats not to say there are a few clampets that do.
every club has their idiots, including mine and yours
Quote from: fitzroyalty on December 01, 2008, 04:43:14 PM
in fairness i've heard worse than jeers coming from cross' fans over the years. Jeering happens at nearly every match, players ignore it so I don't see why it should bother anyone
Quote from: Drumanee 1 on December 01, 2008, 04:52:28 PM
as you say it happens every match and yesterday was no different,having been at the match it didnt seem any louder than usual,and from both sides and it's always a pile of young one's doing it,have never actually see a adult booing at matches although thats not to say there are a few clampets that do.
I know it happens at every match and it is something I detest. I was just saying that yesterday it seemed particuarly loud when Cross were taking kicks. Every club has the clampets as you say, still does not mean it can't be raised as a point. And I know Cross fans have come out with worse, as I said earlier in the thread they wouldn't have the best reputation.
Drumanee as sad as it is I have seen plenty of adults boo and shout abuse at kick-takers. You wonder is their heads screwed on at all.
Jeering at freetakers is not the most pleasant aspect of the GAA, it compares poorly with the recent Munster rugby match. But usually it arises from the crowd disagreeing with the referee and not settling down before the free is taken. Some teams are associated with jeering in other situations, at intercounty level the Dubs spring to mind. Yes the odd thicko shouts abuse at any game, some of it a total disgrace, but jeering requires a few people to do it.
QuoteThe free that was given against Cross that led up to the goal was dubious
Indeed it was, I doubt that it was any more of a lift ball than many other incidents.
Quote from: corn02 on December 01, 2008, 04:59:42 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on December 01, 2008, 04:43:14 PM
in fairness i've heard worse than jeers coming from cross' fans over the years. Jeering happens at nearly every match, players ignore it so I don't see why it should bother anyone
Quote from: Drumanee 1 on December 01, 2008, 04:52:28 PM
as you say it happens every match and yesterday was no different,having been at the match it didnt seem any louder than usual,and from both sides and it's always a pile of young one's doing it,have never actually see a adult booing at matches although thats not to say there are a few clampets that do.
I know it happens at every match and it is something I detest. I was just saying that yesterday it seemed particuarly loud when Cross were taking kicks. Every club has the clampets as you say, still does not mean it can't be raised as a point. And I know Cross fans have come out with worse, as I said earlier in the thread they wouldn't have the best reputation.
Drumanee as sad as it is I have seen plenty of adults boo and shout abuse at kick-takers. You wonder is their heads screwed on at all.
did you see the recent munster v all blacks match,every time the all blacks kicked for goal the crowd were completely silent and i mean silent,unreal sportsmanship that you will never get at a gaa match,sure they cant even stay silent for our national anthem.
on another note about disipline,did you notice when the 2 cross lads were sent off?not a word from them they just walked off,no slabbering at the ref even though john mcintee was badly wronged
I would really worry if jeering affected the free-taking of AK, or McConville especially (who I'm sure has heard it all)
No one likes hearing it but it's something I don't think can be eradicated
I'll be in London on Sunday. Anyone know of any Irish bars that might possibly show the match?
Quote from: fitzroyalty on December 01, 2008, 05:31:11 PM
I would really worry if jeering affected the free-taking of AK, or McConville especially (who I'm sure has heard it all)
No one likes hearing it but it's something I don't think can be eradicated
I think thats neither here nor there to be honest.
As an aside to the story of the jeering free takers, I recall a story that happened at Armagh training one night. It was back when 2 Brians were there I think, and Seamus King from Lislea was a development officer or something like that. Oisin was practising his frees and King kind of sneaked up behind him. Next thing Oisin heard a muffled crowd roaring behind him. He turned around and there was King with one of the old style tape recorder, you know the kind, playing a tape with a crowd roaring and jeering. He asked Oisin if this would help him concentrate on his frees when under pressure from the crowd. Oisin politely gave him a few minutes and told him it made no difference and indicated that he would be better off doing something else!!!
There are gougers everywhere and unfortunately there does not seem to be anything being done about it. The worst about it is that you often see a crowd of young ones aged 10-11 at it. A good kick in the hole is what they need and told to learn from the freetakers rather than putting them off.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 01, 2008, 06:07:55 PM
As an aside to the story of the jeering free takers, I recall a story that happened at Armagh training one night. It was back when 2 Brians were there I think, and Seamus King from Lislea was a development officer or something like that. Oisin was practising his frees and King kind of sneaked up behind him. Next thing Oisin heard a muffled crowd roaring behind him. He turned around and there was King with one of the old style tape recorder, you know the kind, playing a tape with a crowd roaring and jeering. He asked Oisin if this would help him concentrate on his frees when under pressure from the crowd. Oisin politely gave him a few minutes and told him it made no difference and indicated that he would be better off doing something else!!!
:D
Quote from: Drumanee 1 on December 01, 2008, 05:25:11 PM
Quote from: corn02 on December 01, 2008, 04:59:42 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on December 01, 2008, 04:43:14 PM
in fairness i've heard worse than jeers coming from cross' fans over the years. Jeering happens at nearly every match, players ignore it so I don't see why it should bother anyone
Quote from: Drumanee 1 on December 01, 2008, 04:52:28 PM
as you say it happens every match and yesterday was no different,having been at the match it didnt seem any louder than usual,and from both sides and it's always a pile of young one's doing it,have never actually see a adult booing at matches although thats not to say there are a few clampets that do.
I know it happens at every match and it is something I detest. I was just saying that yesterday it seemed particuarly loud when Cross were taking kicks. Every club has the clampets as you say, still does not mean it can't be raised as a point. And I know Cross fans have come out with worse, as I said earlier in the thread they wouldn't have the best reputation.
Drumanee as sad as it is I have seen plenty of adults boo and shout abuse at kick-takers. You wonder is their heads screwed on at all.
did you see the recent munster v all blacks match,every time the all blacks kicked for goal the crowd were completely silent and i mean silent,unreal sportsmanship that you will never get at a gaa match,sure they cant even stay silent for our national anthem.
on another note about disipline,did you notice when the 2 cross lads were sent off?not a word from them they just walked off,no slabbering at the ref even though john mcintee was badly wronged
And apparently it put off the All Blacks more than anything else, as they're used to heckling and jeering when taking a kick - seriously. When you think about it, the heckling and jeering probably adds to the atmosphere, as does the silence I suppose - hmmm, not sure what I'm saying ???
Quote from: Bogball XV on December 01, 2008, 06:25:53 PM
And apparently it put off the All Blacks more than anything else, as they're used to heckling and jeering when taking a kick - seriously. When you think about it, the heckling and jeering probably adds to the atmosphere, as does the silence I suppose - hmmm, not sure what I'm saying ???
Come on Bog its not "live" you have time to consider your opinion! :D
Quote from: SidelineKick on December 01, 2008, 06:28:06 PM
Quote from: Bogball XV on December 01, 2008, 06:25:53 PM
And apparently it put off the All Blacks more than anything else, as they're used to heckling and jeering when taking a kick - seriously. When you think about it, the heckling and jeering probably adds to the atmosphere, as does the silence I suppose - hmmm, not sure what I'm saying ???
Come on Bog its not "live" you have time to consider your opinion! :D
Aye, fair point, thing is it's only a game and whilst i would ordinarily have been in favour of silence as being more sporting etc, do I really want to subscribe to Victorian ideals of sport and fair play? But then do I think the antipodeans do it better? Still can't decide, they both have their merits, as bc1 says it doesn't really put a player off anyway, so it's a wee bit irrelevant.
Quote from: goh4205 on December 01, 2008, 10:38:17 AM
Quote from: SidelineKick on December 01, 2008, 10:08:05 AM
Quote from: seamusthebard on December 01, 2008, 10:04:56 AM
Anyone know why McNamee got 2nd yellow cameras didn't pick anything up so tv viewers not sure what it was for.
He should have had two straight reds in the first half
Quite an unhelpful addition Seamus, can you answer my question please?
Sideline, he got a 2nd booking for been involved with the sub who came on to curb him & tried to rape him when he made a run for the ball, infact McNamee's short were at his knees at one stage and the linesman must have imply ed that they were both at it. I didn't see the McEntee incident, but McNamee's was a disgrace also.
The ref's getting a lot of stick (rightly) but his job wasn't helped by the linesman standside.
I was too far away from the McEntee incident but right behind the linesman for the McNamee one.
The Ballinderry man was wrestling with him, stopping him from making any movement.
McNamee was appealing to the linesman, even as he was being dragged to the ground.
Absolute joke of a decision.
Quote from: Mack the finger on December 01, 2008, 07:21:08 PM
Quote from: goh4205 on December 01, 2008, 10:38:17 AM
Quote from: SidelineKick on December 01, 2008, 10:08:05 AM
Quote from: seamusthebard on December 01, 2008, 10:04:56 AM
Anyone know why McNamee got 2nd yellow cameras didn't pick anything up so tv viewers not sure what it was for.
He should have had two straight reds in the first half
Quite an unhelpful addition Seamus, can you answer my question please?
Sideline, he got a 2nd booking for been involved with the sub who came on to curb him & tried to rape him when he made a run for the ball, infact McNamee's short were at his knees at one stage and the linesman must have imply ed that they were both at it. I didn't see the McEntee incident, but McNamee's was a disgrace also.
The ref's getting a lot of stick (rightly) but his job wasn't helped by the linesman standside.
I was too far away from the McEntee incident but right behind the linesman for the McNamee one.
The Ballinderry man was wrestling with him, stopping him from making any movement.
McNamee was appealing to the linesman, even as he was being dragged to the ground.
Absolute joke of a decision.
Are you Mickey Mack the finger?
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Are you Mickey Mack the finger?
No, Mickey Mack the finger would be a cousin from the Brague.
I'd be the town macks.
Apologies it was just a very unfunny joke by me. Michale McNamme is known as Mickey Mac, and seeing that you were defending hi... as I say very unfunny joke.
Quote from: corn02 on December 01, 2008, 08:01:00 PM
Apologies it was just a very unfunny joke by me. Michale McNamme is known as Mickey Mac, and seeing that you were defending hi... as I say very unfunny joke.
No need to apologise, no offence taken.
Quote from: Mack the finger on December 01, 2008, 08:09:47 PM
Quote from: corn02 on December 01, 2008, 08:01:00 PM
Apologies it was just a very unfunny joke by me. Michale McNamme is known as Mickey Mac, and seeing that you were defending hi... as I say very unfunny joke.
No need to apologise, no offence taken.
There's every need for him to apologise. :D
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 01, 2008, 08:25:34 PM
Quote from: Mack the finger on December 01, 2008, 08:09:47 PM
Quote from: corn02 on December 01, 2008, 08:01:00 PM
Apologies it was just a very unfunny joke by me. Michale McNamme is known as Mickey Mac, and seeing that you were defending hi... as I say very unfunny joke.
No need to apologise, no offence taken.
There's every need for him to apologise. :D
There really is, I'm pushing for worst joke of the year at the GAAboard awards,
The jeering while annoying made no difference to why Cross let slip a 5 point lead. the game started at 3-45pm i'd say a lot of lads had a few drinks. no malice in them but i'm sure passionate about their club winning the title. i'd be more worried about your club players getting countless yellow cards. 15 players staying on the pitch would go a long way to helping you win the match
Is TG4 covering the replay?
Replays are often different from the original games, but the weather looks the same
"The winds will continue to ease leading to a severe frost Saturday night then followed by a cold, fine sunny day on Sunday."
From the BBC
McEntee appeal on Wednesday night
John McEntee is sent off by referee Martin Sludden in the final
John McEntee's appeal against the straight red card he received in Sunday's Ulster Club Football final will be heard on Wednesday night.
Crossmaglen's McEntee was handed the straight red card by referee Martin Sludden after being judged to have elbowed Ballinderry's Darren Conway.
As it stands, McEntee is automatically banned for Sunday's replay.
However, McEntee has lodged an appeal which will be heard by the Ulster Council on Wednesday night.
Former Armagh star McEntee insisted after Sunday's game that referee Sludden had "got it wrong".
Three players were sent off and 12 yellow cards shown in the decider.
Michael McNamee of Cross and Ballinderry's Conor Wilkonson were red-carded before McEntee's exit seven minutes from time.
"There was no contact above his fifth rib - if anything, I might have caught his elbow," added McEntee.
"I don't like to criticise referees, but bad referees make bad decisions.
"That was one of many unfortunately. What can you do? We're lucky to get a second chance."
Surely the fcuk he will get off??
Quote from: full back on December 02, 2008, 01:24:30 PM
From the BBC
McEntee appeal on Wednesday night
John McEntee is sent off by referee Martin Sludden in the final
John McEntee's appeal against the straight red card he received in Sunday's Ulster Club Football final will be heard on Wednesday night.
Crossmaglen's McEntee was handed the straight red card by referee Martin Sludden after being judged to have elbowed Ballinderry's Darren Conway.
As it stands, McEntee is automatically banned for Sunday's replay.
However, McEntee has lodged an appeal which will be heard by the Ulster Council on Wednesday night.
Former Armagh star McEntee insisted after Sunday's game that referee Sludden had "got it wrong".
Three players were sent off and 12 yellow cards shown in the decider.
Michael McNamee of Cross and Ballinderry's Conor Wilkonson were red-carded before McEntee's exit seven minutes from time.
"There was no contact above his fifth rib - if anything, I might have caught his elbow," added McEntee.
"I don't like to criticise referees, but bad referees make bad decisions.
"That was one of many unfortunately. What can you do? We're lucky to get a second chance."
Surely the fcuk he will get off??
I would like to think so. It would be extremely unfair to punish someone (especially a player who has always played within the rules of the game). He is what football is all about. Darren Conway is the opposite. Watched it again and he went down a second time clutching his throat. Pisses me off.
Quote"There was no contact above his fifth rib - if anything",
EH? wtf does that mean?
He means thats the highest possible place he could have caught him. Very quick to know its the 5th rib in fairness!
I think his point is he was nowhere near his face.
QuoteHe means thats the highest possible place he could have caught him. Very quick to know its the 5th rib in fairness!
I think his point is he was nowhere near his face.
I don't think saying publicly there was contact will help his case. Refs don't like admitting they were wrong and could well now say he sent him off for a blow to the ribs and clutching his face had nothing to do with his decison.
I would personally be very surprised if he doesn't get this decision turned around. In my opinion it would be a disgrace if it wasn't.
Watched it again there a few times. Shocking play acting in fairness if anything he connected with Conway's elbow.
Big problem for McEntee though is committee's are loathe to go against referee's reports and while McEntee did not connect with Conway's face he did lead with his elbow to tackle the ball which is dangerous play... there could be more ructions with this one I think!
I thought the game was superb entertainment, between two highly skilled and extremely committed teams. Howandever skill and commitment are not enough to win competitions such as this. Only myself and Jock Stein feel that it is possible to win anything of note by playing football, pure, beautiful, inventive football; one of us is dead and the other exists only in hyperspace. Therefore, to be successful, it is essential that you are prepared to indulge in the dark arts. In Ballinderry and Crossmaglen, along with skill and commitment, you have two teams prepared to do whatever is necessary to win this title. Teams who are prepared to break, infringe upon, violate, contravene, breach, disregard, bend, twist and manipulate every single rule in the rule book to achieve success. And who can blame them. Like I said winning with skill and class alone is a thing of the past. No-one involved in Sunday's match has any right to the moral high ground.
Given that the above is true, it is imperative then that a suitable referee is appointed. It is impossible under any circumstances to describe the porty, moustachioed Martin Sludden as a suitable referee. Whilst admitting it was an extremely difficult game to referee, the referee in question made a total hames, not just with the big decisions, but many of the run of the mill decisions also. He seemed to be refereeing the score, rather than the match. I, for one, won't miss him from the replay. Unless Martin Higgins (Fermanagh) is appointed.
Having said that, I can see why he made the mistake with John McEntee (and it was a mistake - there is no way that suspension should stand). The high and dangerous pointy elbow has been an integral part of Crossmaglen's game since the first of their 13 in a row and let's be honest here, John McEntee has as much form for this as anyone else. It is conceiveable and justifiable that the referee was specifically looking out for this disgraceful and potentially lethal tactic and took action when he saw a raised elbow.
But what has his moustache got to do with it? That's what I want to know.
He gets mistaken for Paddy Russell.
I see what you mean. You could mistake him for Paddy Russell in other ways too.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on December 02, 2008, 02:04:29 PM
Unless Martin Higgins (Fermanagh) is appointed.
God forbid
Quote from: Hardy on December 02, 2008, 03:33:11 PM
I see what you mean. You could mistake him for Paddy Russell in other ways too.
Is Sludden that much of a gobshite?
Quote from: screenexile on December 02, 2008, 02:02:22 PM
Watched it again there a few times. Shocking play acting in fairness if anything he connected with Conway's elbow.
Big problem for McEntee though is committee's are loathe to go against referee's reports and while McEntee did not connect with Conway's face he did lead with his elbow to tackle the ball which is dangerous play... there could be more ructions with this one I think!
Lead with his elbow to tackle the ball----how many times have you seen this skill performed, ther e must be a simpler way.
Was John McEntee not sent off against Loup the year they won it.
He was yeah, straight red aswell. Not sure if he actually struck that day. What I do remember is shirt was ripped and his shoulder muscle was bulging out of the gap. Monster of a man!
Quote from: SidelineKick on December 02, 2008, 01:29:13 PM
Quote from: full back on December 02, 2008, 01:24:30 PM
From the BBC
McEntee appeal on Wednesday night
John McEntee is sent off by referee Martin Sludden in the final
John McEntee's appeal against the straight red card he received in Sunday's Ulster Club Football final will be heard on Wednesday night.
Crossmaglen's McEntee was handed the straight red card by referee Martin Sludden after being judged to have elbowed Ballinderry's Darren Conway.
As it stands, McEntee is automatically banned for Sunday's replay.
However, McEntee has lodged an appeal which will be heard by the Ulster Council on Wednesday night.
Former Armagh star McEntee insisted after Sunday's game that referee Sludden had "got it wrong".
Three players were sent off and 12 yellow cards shown in the decider.
Michael McNamee of Cross and Ballinderry's Conor Wilkonson were red-carded before McEntee's exit seven minutes from time.
"There was no contact above his fifth rib - if anything, I might have caught his elbow," added McEntee.
"I don't like to criticise referees, but bad referees make bad decisions.
"That was one of many unfortunately. What can you do? We're lucky to get a second chance."
Surely the fcuk he will get off??
I would like to think so. It would be extremely unfair to punish someone (especially a player who has always played within the rules of the game). He is what football is all about. Darren Conway is the opposite. Watched it again and he went down a second time clutching his throat. Pisses me off.
Was there not a Slaughtneil player who was sent of by the playacting of a Crossmaglen player a few years back. Slaughtneil were in total control at the time but game finished in a draw [ spot the similiarity]. The player was not allowed to play in the replay, Slaughtneil were beaten and the player involved had his suspension lifted when it was proved the Crossmaglen wasn't touched. Sideline, BrokenCrossbar, your memory is surely not that bad!!
There is surely someone in Crossmaglen who is not a saint?
Quote from: SidelineKick on December 02, 2008, 05:27:26 PM
He was yeah, straight red aswell. Not sure if he actually struck that day. What I do remember is shirt was ripped and his shoulder muscle was bulging out of the gap. Monster of a man!
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I think you are excited there ;D ;D ;D, never realised you you had so much admiration for his body.
Tones, I genuinely don't recall what happened, I do remember it being a very bad tempered affair in both the first game and the replay. If something like that did happen, all I know is that the ref made up for it in the replay and did the same sort of thing the other way :-\
There is no team that doesn't have play actors in them, to smaller or bigger degrees. The nature though of Conway's fall though leaves a very sour taste. Not only did he go down, but he stayed down and made out that he was badly hurt. He was fine to get up and take the shot for the equalising goal. At least when O'Mahoney went down against Cork he got up fairly sharpish.
Whatever happens the replay will be very interesting. Much will depend on how the management can use the events near the end of the game to motivate. I, for one, know where I would get most motivation from!
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 02, 2008, 05:45:52 PM
Tones, I genuinely don't recall what happened, I do remember it being a very bad tempered affair in both the first game and the replay. If something like that did happen, all I know is that the ref made up for it in the replay and did the same sort of thing the other way :-\
There is no team that doesn't have play actors in them, to smaller or bigger degrees. The nature though of Conway's fall though leaves a very sour taste. Not only did he go down, but he stayed down and made out that he was badly hurt. He was fine to get up and take the shot for the equalising goal. At least when O'Mahoney went down against Cork he got up fairly sharpish.
Whatever happens the replay will be very interesting. Much will depend on how the management can use the events near the end of the game to motivate. I, for one, know where I would get most motivation from!
That's exactly the point that i was trying to make BC. Ballinderry would be our major rivals in Derry and suppose like clubs in Armagh with yourselves, there would be no tears lost around here if they lost which I think they will. However, they are a good footballing team and this generation of players would be regarded as a clean team and some would even say, lacking the bottle for big games. I watched trhe game on TV and my feeling after thye game was- WHAT A GAME!! and think that Ballinderry don't deserve some of trhe negative press they have been getting.
Quote from: tonesfirstandlast on December 02, 2008, 05:38:16 PM
Quote from: SidelineKick on December 02, 2008, 05:27:26 PM
He was yeah, straight red aswell. Not sure if he actually struck that day. What I do remember is shirt was ripped and his shoulder muscle was bulging out of the gap. Monster of a man!
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I think you are excited there ;D ;D ;D, never realised you you had so much admiration for his body.
:D my hero.
You say you watched it on the tv?? I think its the off the ball stuff and stuff cameras didnt catch that was the main problem.
Quote from: SidelineKick on December 02, 2008, 06:09:57 PM
Quote from: tonesfirstandlast on December 02, 2008, 05:38:16 PM
Quote from: SidelineKick on December 02, 2008, 05:27:26 PM
He was yeah, straight red aswell. Not sure if he actually struck that day. What I do remember is shirt was ripped and his shoulder muscle was bulging out of the gap. Monster of a man!
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I think you are excited there ;D ;D ;D, never realised you you had so much admiration for his body.
:D my hero.
You say you watched it on the tv?? I think its the off the ball stuff and stuff cameras didnt catch that was the main problem.
Unlike your honourable friend BC, you refuse to comment on the Slaughtneil, player who was wrongly dismissed at a gtime when they looked certain to win. He was not allowed to play in replay. What's he saying " What comes around goes around".
If his elbow had connected above the 5th Rib, was he saying trhat it would have been deserving of a RED.
Lets get one thing straight, Slaughtneil shit in the nest. I was at the game in question but I cannot remember the exact incident and I am not just saying that.
I do remember the controversy after it though, was it Shane Kelly? What happened or allegedly happened again? I honestly only need my mind refreshed then I will be able to comment.
EDIT: If I remember correctly did the Slaughtneil 'keeper not drop the ball into the net that day?? Hardly a knock-on effect from the sending off.
Quote from: SidelineKick on December 02, 2008, 06:39:20 PM
Lets get one thing straight, Slaughtneil shit in the nest. I was at the game in question but I cannot remember the exact incident and I am not just saying that.
I do remember the controversy after it though, was it Shane Kelly? What happened or allegedly happened again? I honestly only need my mind refreshed then I will be able to comment.
EDIT: If I remember correctly did the Slaughtneil 'keeper not drop the ball into the net that day?? Hardly a knock-on effect from the sending off.
We'll just leave the argument at that Sideline. Cross have always been renowned for their Angelicism. Remember the day in Casement when Micky Linden's teeth fellout and his mouth was left in a mess but in fairness it was francie and his fist was only slightly above the
fifth rib.
Wasn't his fist TFAL now you're just making stuff up.
As I said the Slaughtneil keeper dropped the ball if I remember correct so I don't see how a sending off can be to blame for that? Slaughtneil were nowhere near as good as they thought they were anyway.
Obviously I'm not syaing Cross are the cleanest team in the game but for the most part they play good hard football (ask Martin Harney he'll know what I mean). I found it strange myself that John McEntee actually went as far as saying "fifth rib" but what you are saying about Francie is that he punched Mickey Linden????? It was a shoulder into an oncoming Mickey Linden. A foul yes. Red card? Few refs would have given a red but probably justifiably yes. A punch? No.
I note the linesman - Mr White from Donegal - who tried to referee the drawn game has been give the whistle on Sunday.
This is his second final in a row - what are the Ulster Council playing at?
Quote from: Armagh Exile on December 02, 2008, 08:47:20 PM
I note the linesman - Mr White from Donegal - who tried to referee the drawn game has been give the whistle on Sunday.
This is his second final in a row - what are the Ulster Council playing at?
Could be worse; it could've been the Mr White from Wexford -- remember him -- 2003????????
Any word how John Mac's appeal went tonight?
Quote from: thebandit on December 02, 2008, 11:27:43 PM
Any word how John Mac's appeal went tonight?
It's tonight as far as I know.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 02, 2008, 05:45:52 PM
Tones, I genuinely don't recall what happened, I do remember it being a very bad tempered affair in both the first game and the replay. If something like that did happen, all I know is that the ref made up for it in the replay and did the same sort of thing the other way :-\
You really have to be on the wind up there. I was at the replay and it was an absolutely scandalous challenge that resulted in the red card for the Cross player.
Saffron what happened in the first game? I was at it but can't remember. It involved Shane Kelly if I remember correct???
Quote from: saffron sam2 on December 03, 2008, 08:39:08 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 02, 2008, 05:45:52 PM
Tones, I genuinely don't recall what happened, I do remember it being a very bad tempered affair in both the first game and the replay. If something like that did happen, all I know is that the ref made up for it in the replay and did the same sort of thing the other way :-\
You really have to be on the wind up there. I was at the replay and it was an absolutely scandalous challenge that resulted in the red card for the Cross player.
Despite what you think you saw Sam, I know better than you that the ref was wrong that day. I know exactly what happened.
I wasn't at the first game, but AFAIK Kelly got a red card for an alleged head butt. He missed the replay, but was subsequently exonerated. Weren't there stone throwing incidents in the first match as well.
Having listened to boys in work, I went down to Cross for the replay. A Cross sub (McCumiskey ??) was given a straight red. A Slaughneil defender bent down to pick up the ball and as he started to straighten up was met clean down the middle with an elbow to the head. Absolutely no question in my mind that it was a sending off offence. In fact the player in question got off very lightly with only a one month ban - I wouldn't have shed any tears if he had never been allowed back on a football pitch again.
Even with his Cross connection, for bcb1 to say that the player in question was somehow unlucky is ridiculous. Did Cross appeal the suspension?
I'll tell you exactly what happened. The player did pick the ball up and he was shouldered, albeit slightly frontal. He was not struck with an elbow, as you state. It was a booking at the most. The refs report did not mention an elbow nor was there an appeal. I can appreciate you saw it from the sideline and on the TV probably after it. There was no elbow raised nor any contact of an elbow. The player from Slaughtneil was not hit on the head, it was a frontal shoulder to the chest.
I was on the stand side directly in line with the incident. I can't accept your description of what happened. If a player is coming up from lifting the ball, there is no way his chest will take the hit. The first thing in line to take the hit is his head. That's how I saw it - that's what I said on here the day after the game. I also said that the Cross player was unlucky in that he had been on and off as a blood sub about three times by then and clearly wasn't up to speed with the game.
i think BC1 would have a fair idea about that incident.
Quote from: behind the wire on December 03, 2008, 09:37:52 AM
i think BC1 would have a fair idea about that incident.
Seconded.
Although he could be a lying fecker. :P
SS, I think you have to accept you are mistaken on this one
BC1 would have a better idea of what happened
No, bcb1 is obviously biased. I reckon he would back his club mates to the hilt.
I was at the game as a neutral, I was directly in line with the incident. I spoke about in the thread the day after the game. If I was called as a witness in court my recall would be exactly the same. Even if it had been bcb1 who carried out the tackle, then I don't see how his evidence would be anymore reliable than that of an independent, neutral witness.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on December 03, 2008, 10:18:44 AM
No, bcb1 is obviously biased. I reckon he would back his club mates to the hilt.
I was at the game as a neutral, I was directly in line with the incident. I spoke about in the thread the day after the game. If I was called as a witness in court my recall would be exactly the same. Even if it had been bcb1 who carried out the tackle, then I don't see how his evidence would be anymore reliable than that of an independent, neutral witness.
Would you shut up man and take it that BC1 knows alot more about the incident and was alot closer to the incident than you! Maybe he is being biased but it is first hand detailed information no matter what you saw! :o
Quote from: saffron sam2 on December 03, 2008, 10:18:44 AM
No, bcb1 is obviously biased. I reckon he would back his club mates to the hilt.
I was at the game as a neutral, I was directly in line with the incident. I spoke about in the thread the day after the game. If I was called as a witness in court my recall would be exactly the same. Even if it had been bcb1 who carried out the tackle, then I don't see how his evidence would be anymore reliable than that of an independent, neutral witness.
ss2, I'd leave it sit, bcb was so close to the incident, you could nearly say he was stuck in the middle of it.
It goes to show, frighteningly, how unreliable the evidence of even genuinely motivated eye witnesses can be and how much room for interpretation there is in the observation of any incident. It'd make you worry about ever being tried for something you didn't do.
Lads opinions are everything on discussion boards. Sam has one opinion of and incident, I have another. I do have a biased viewpoint but that doesn't make it incorrect. That is the joy of this board, everyone can express an opinion and you can be guaranteed there will be at least one dissenting voice, either genuine or wumming. It would be a poorer place if we were all lemmings and followed the throng. Let's put this one to bed and move on to Sunday's game.
BTW Sam, I am right :P
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 03, 2008, 10:36:39 AM
Lads opinions are everything on discussion boards. Sam has one opinion of and incident, I have another. I do have a biased viewpoint but that doesn't make it incorrect. That is the joy of this board, everyone can express an opinion and you can be guaranteed there will be at least one dissenting voice, either genuine or wumming. It would be a poorer place if we were all lemmings and followed the throng. Let's put this one to bed and move on to Sunday's game.
BTW Sam, I am right :P
By the way did you notice none of us could hold our water, I have never seen an outing like it.
speak for yourself corn.
It's not like I have ever hidden much!
I think I am beginning to work things out now. So what you boys are saying is that you would unquestioningly take the word of the defendant above the word of a neutral witness?
If I crash my car on the way home or decide to whack one of the young men in front of me now over the head with a hammer, would the coppers just take my word because I was closest to the incident or would they maybe look for a neutral witness or two?
By the way, were any of you (apart from bcb1) at the game? If so, what was your take on the incident? I would be happy for someone to fire up a video of the incident and let all concerned posters decide.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on December 03, 2008, 10:44:20 AM
I think I am beginning to work things out now. So what you boys are saying is that you would unquestioningly take the word of the defendant above the word of a neutral witness?
If I crash my car on the way home or decide to whack one of the young men in front of me now over the head with a hammer, would the coppers just take my word because I was closest to the incident or would they maybe look for a neutral witness or two?
By the way, were any of you (apart from bcb1) at the game? If so, what was your take on the incident? I would be happy for someone to fire up a video of the incident and let all concerned posters decide.
Good post.
Well my position is that if I disbelieve BC's version of the incident, I'm calling him a liar, whereas if I disbelieve yours, SS2, I'm saying you misinterpreted what you saw, which is something we all do, more often than is comfortable. And BC is not a liar.
it was no higher than his 5th rib.
From the various media outlets.
Irish NewsQuoteThe Rangers had been reduced to 14 men by that stage, substitute brokencrossbar1 dismissed in the 46th minute for a high challenge on Slaughtneil's stand-in skipper Micheal Kelly, which seemed a harsh decision.
BBCQuoteThen came brokencrossbar1's straight red card for serious foul play, shortly after coming on as a substitute.
RTEQuoteThe Orchard star added a quick point after the restart, but Kelly brought it back to 1-4 to 0-6 - before brokencrossbar1 earned a straight red for serious foul play.
Newry DemocratQuoteAs on 46 minutes he (bcb1) received a straight red, for what was deemed a high challenge.
The Crossmaglen Rangers websiteQuoteOn sixteen minutes brokencrossbar1 got sent off harshly after a heavy tackle.
None the wiser. I need video evidence.
Quote from: Whacker on December 03, 2008, 10:21:44 AM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on December 03, 2008, 10:18:44 AM
No, bcb1 is obviously biased. I reckon he would back his club mates to the hilt.
I was at the game as a neutral, I was directly in line with the incident. I spoke about in the thread the day after the game. If I was called as a witness in court my recall would be exactly the same. Even if it had been bcb1 who carried out the tackle, then I don't see how his evidence would be anymore reliable than that of an independent, neutral witness.
Would you shut up man and take it that BC1 knows alot more about the incident and was alot closer to the incident than you! Maybe he is being biased but it is first hand detailed information no matter what you saw! :o
Ok folks, I wasnt at that game and just watched highlights on tv and i dont really remember this incident as its a while back, However I would tend to believe SS2 here as he was at the game in a neutral capacity and had a good view of the incident and whacker, he has given "first hand detailed information" of the incident also and to say it doesnt matter what he saw is ridiculous.
If you were in court as a witness and said you saw with your own 2 eyes, the killer running away covered in blood holding the knife that was used, and the defendants lawer said "he didnt do it no matter what you saw" would you then say, "sorry i must be mistaken"
Also, BC1 is a Cross man and from what I gather a very proud one, and like all of us who are really proud of our clubs - we are the most biased people you will ever meet and rarely can see any thing wrong with our own house but everyone elses is a dump, and there would be no chance of admitting a wrong this long after the event, but thats one of the many things that make the Club scene of the GAA so colourful and so great. But in fairness BC1s responses have been measured and not outlandish like some of the "he says it, therefore its right and your wrong" type of things some have posted on this thread. Butt kissers :-* :-* :-*
Additionally from the BC1 fan club posts it would appear that BC1 was the man sent off that day? Hardly a neutral or unbiased view of it all.
On a different note, just because Shane Kelly was wrongly dismissed against cross that year and suspended for the replay, doesnt make it right that JME is treated the same this time round. JME didnt hit Conway in the face, and I think we all know that this was what he was sent off for. He may have connected with the elbow on the 5th rib ::) but the contact looked minimal and would have been a harsh enough booking IMO. Hope he gets off and gets to play on Sunday, I for one really enjoyed watching him play and thought he had a v good game. Have seen Cross play 4 times in the Championship this year and thought that was his best display so far, although he was also deadly in one particular 20 minute spell against Armagh Harps.
My only worry about JME would be his comment, which basically said he had Elbowed Conway in the Ribs, getting him in trouble instead. His comment made his tackle sound alot worse than it actually was, and as someone else said on the board, the ref and the Ulster council may seize this as justification for the red as they are always reluctant to overturn Red cards. If there is any Justice JME will be playing on Sunday.
Quote from: billy the kid on December 03, 2008, 11:17:57 AM
Additionally from the BC1 fan club posts
Imagine having an opinion ::)
Quote from: full back on December 03, 2008, 11:20:56 AM
Quote from: billy the kid on December 03, 2008, 11:17:57 AM
Additionally from the BC1 fan club posts
Imagine having an opinion ::)
Imagine having an opinion of your own :-* :-* :-*
Quote from: billy the kid on December 03, 2008, 11:17:57 AM
Quote from: Whacker on December 03, 2008, 10:21:44 AM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on December 03, 2008, 10:18:44 AM
No, bcb1 is obviously biased. I reckon he would back his club mates to the hilt.
I was at the game as a neutral, I was directly in line with the incident. I spoke about in the thread the day after the game. If I was called as a witness in court my recall would be exactly the same. Even if it had been bcb1 who carried out the tackle, then I don't see how his evidence would be anymore reliable than that of an independent, neutral witness.
Would you shut up man and take it that BC1 knows alot more about the incident and was alot closer to the incident than you! Maybe he is being biased but it is first hand detailed information no matter what you saw! :o
Ok folks, I wasnt at that game and just watched highlights on tv and i dont really remember this incident as its a while back, However I would tend to believe SS2 here as he was at the game in a neutral capacity and had a good view of the incident and whacker, he has given "first hand detailed information" of the incident also and to say it doesnt matter what he saw is ridiculous.
If you were in court as a witness and said you saw with your own 2 eyes, the killer running away covered in blood holding the knife that was used, and the defendants lawer said "he didnt do it no matter what you saw" would you then say, "sorry i must be mistaken"
Also, BC1 is a Cross man and from what I gather a very proud one, and like all of us who are really proud of our clubs - we are the most biased people you will ever meet and rarely can see any thing wrong with our own house but everyone elses is a dump, and there would be no chance of admitting a wrong this long after the event, but thats one of the many things that make the Club scene of the GAA so colourful and so great. But in fairness BC1s responses have been measured and not outlandish like some of the "he says it, therefore its right and your wrong" type of things some have posted on this thread. Butt kissers :-* :-* :-*
Additionally from the BC1 fan club posts it would appear that BC1 was the man sent off that day? Hardly a neutral or unbiased view of it all.
On a different note, just because Shane Kelly was wrongly dismissed against cross that year and suspended for the replay, doesnt make it right that JME is treated the same this time round. JME didnt hit Conway in the face, and I think we all know that this was what he was sent off for. He may have connected with the elbow on the 5th rib ::) but the contact looked minimal and would have been a harsh enough booking IMO. Hope he gets off and gets to play on Sunday, I for one really enjoyed watching him play and thought he had a v good game. Have seen Cross play 4 times in the Championship this year and thought that was his best display so far, although he was also deadly in one particular 20 minute spell against Armagh Harps.
My only worry about JME would be his comment, which basically said he had Elbowed Conway in the Ribs, getting him in trouble instead. His comment made his tackle sound alot worse than it actually was, and as someone else said on the board, the ref and the Ulster council may seize this as justification for the red as they are always reluctant to overturn Red cards. If there is any Justice JME will be playing on Sunday.
I don't want this to be seen as condoning Conway as he should be ashamed of himself
BUT McEntee did lead dangerously with his elbow, in his own words, it did connect. We don't know what the referee reported him for. But I hope he gets off.
QuoteI don't want this to be seen as condoning Conway as he should be ashamed of himself BUT McEntee did lead dangerously with his elbow, in his own words, it did connect.
Having watched this on the website again there was nothing in it, the phrase used by John Mac makes it sound worse than it was. As noted earlier it would have been a harsh booking, it does not deserve a red card and missing a game. It should be Conway who misses a game for holding his face when the contact was nowhere near his face. In any case he may find it hard to get a free again!
Anyone got a link to the incident?
From hoganstand.com
Ballinderry sweating on McCusker
03 December 2008
Ballinderry are sweating on the fitness of full back Niall McCusker ahead of Sunday's Ulster club football final replay against Crossmaglen.
McCusker, whose late goal rescued a draw for the Derry champions at Brewster Park last Sunday, suffered concussion and needed stitches to a facial wound.
"Niall has been outstanding for us this year and we are desperately keen to have him on board," Ballinderry chairman Camillus Quinn said.
Despite being sent off last Sunday, Conor Wilkinson will be eligible to play as he was dismissed on a second yellow card.
He looked fine to me after scoring the goal and I didn't notice any wounds on his face at that stage... did something happen after the match?
Quote from: Onion Bag on December 03, 2008, 12:44:41 PM
Anyone got a link to the incident?
tg4.tv (http://tg4.tv) Click on sport on the left nahd side and you can view all the coverage from Sunday.
Quote from: armaghniac on December 03, 2008, 12:40:56 PM
QuoteI don't want this to be seen as condoning Conway as he should be ashamed of himself BUT McEntee did lead dangerously with his elbow, in his own words, it did connect.
Having watched this on the website again there was nothing in it, the phrase used by John Mac makes it sound worse than it was. As noted earlier it would have been a harsh booking, it does not deserve a red card and missing a game. It should be Conway who misses a game for holding his face when the contact was nowhere near his face. In any case he may find it hard to get a free again!
if john mac gets off it could open a whole can of worms,if the red card is recinded because he did not catch conway in the face the ulster council would have to ban conway for conning the ref.
Quote from: screenexile on December 03, 2008, 12:45:43 PM
From hoganstand.com
Ballinderry sweating on McCusker
03 December 2008
Ballinderry are sweating on the fitness of full back Niall McCusker ahead of Sunday's Ulster club football final replay against Crossmaglen.
McCusker, whose late goal rescued a draw for the Derry champions at Brewster Park last Sunday, suffered concussion and needed stitches to a facial wound.
"Niall has been outstanding for us this year and we are desperately keen to have him on board," Ballinderry chairman Camillus Quinn said.
Despite being sent off last Sunday, Conor Wilkinson will be eligible to play as he was dismissed on a second yellow card.
He looked fine to me after scoring the goal and I didn't notice any wounds on his face at that stage... did something happen after the match?
Quote from: Onion Bag on December 03, 2008, 12:44:41 PM
Anyone got a link to the incident?
tg4.tv (http://tg4.tv) Click on sport on the left nahd side and you can view all the coverage from Sunday.
Cheers Screen,
as for Mc Cusker, He will play, Hes a hardy bastard, this is just the normal media shite
Quote from: Drumanee 1 on December 03, 2008, 12:57:52 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 03, 2008, 12:40:56 PM
QuoteI don't want this to be seen as condoning Conway as he should be ashamed of himself BUT McEntee did lead dangerously with his elbow, in his own words, it did connect.
Having watched this on the website again there was nothing in it, the phrase used by John Mac makes it sound worse than it was. As noted earlier it would have been a harsh booking, it does not deserve a red card and missing a game. It should be Conway who misses a game for holding his face when the contact was nowhere near his face. In any case he may find it hard to get a free again!
if john mac gets off it could open a whole can of worms,if the red card is recinded because he did not catch conway in the face the ulster council would have to ban conway for conning the ref.
Not at all Drumanee, Philip Jordan done the same in the 03 final, nothing happened
Aye you can be sure there'll be a full bill of health.
I said that at the beginning that if John Mac gets off it means he has done nothing and would be great to see Conway punished. Things like that make me angry, its soccer stuff.
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/160929/ (http://www.sportsfile.com/id/160929/)
Brian Crowe appears to have an itchy elbow.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on December 03, 2008, 01:10:21 PM
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/160929/ (http://www.sportsfile.com/id/160929/)
Brian Crowe appears to have an itchy elbow.
I hope has the hair cut from then.
Quote from: SidelineKick on December 03, 2008, 01:02:13 PM
Aye you can be sure there'll be a full bill of health.
I said that at the beginning that if John Mac gets off it means he has done nothing and would be great to see Conway punished. Things like that make me angry, its soccer stuff.
You have heard of "People in Glasshouses................."
What's wrong with soccer..............didn't Oisin play soccer.
Gonna call it. Shamrocks by 2.
8)
John Mac got his red card downgraded to a yellow and so he will be eligible for the replay.
I wonder how the cheat Conway feels now.??
Great News CrossFire !
Quote from: crossfire on December 03, 2008, 09:06:12 PMI wonder how the cheat Conway feels now.??
disappointed at a guess??
Until action is taken against Conway and his like they will continue doing it. If Ballinderry had managed to sneek 1 more point tonights decision would have meant nothing. Suspend Conway for the replay and get rid of this growing trend in the game. >:(
Martin McHugh had a good article in the Irish Star yesterday re the Final
He'll probably feel like he better watch himself for they might give him a good reason to go down this week!!
Quote from: Shortso79 on December 03, 2008, 10:11:28 PM
Martin McHugh had a good article in the Irish Star yesterday re the Final
Can you post it shortso? Delighted for John Mac!
Whilst McEntee didn't connect and Conway did make a meal of the incident, he did lead with his elbow and should count himself extremely lucky, imo if Conway hadn't made such a meal of it, McEntee would still have got the line, but he wouldn't have been exonerated. Is it really the place of the Ulster council to start amending referees' decisions regarding red cards and changing them into yellow cards? The very fact that having viewed the incident again they still felt a yellow was justified would indicate that this decision was taken because of Conway's diving.
It's a nonsense decision imo, a cop out, either exonerate him completely or let the referee's decision stand.
There is nothing nonsense about determining that a yellow rather than a red was warranted. There is nothing nonsense about taking account of the fact that the ref didn't just make an error but was deliberately mislead by Conway. The only nonsense in this case is that they have not penalised Conway for diving.
Quote from: armaghniac on December 03, 2008, 11:11:39 PM
There is nothing nonsense about determining that a yellow rather than a red was warranted. There is nothing nonsense about taking account of the fact that the ref didn't just make an error but was deliberately mislead by Conway. The only nonsense in this case is that they have not penalised Conway for diving.
Is there anything that Conway could have been penalised for? What I'm trying to say is that they have agreed with the referee's judgement that a foul was committed, so what was the foul? What foul could have warranted a yellow card but not a red? To reitterate, it was a nonsense decision and a cop out.
So every foul should be a red then. ::) ::)
Quote from: crossfire on December 04, 2008, 12:35:39 AM
So every foul should be a red then. ::) ::)
No, but presumably the referee made the call that McEntee had committed the following:
RULE 5 - AGGRESSIVE FOULS
5.1 To strike or attempt to strike an opponent with
the head, arm, elbow, hand or knee.
PENALTY FOR THE ABOVE FOULS -
(i) Order offender off.
(ii) Free kick from where the foul occurred
except as provided under Exceptions of
Rule 2.2.
If not, what was the foul that would be deemed worthy of a yellow?
Btw Conway's feigning a dive would have warranted a yellow card if the referee had seen what had happened correctly, although I still think McEntee's red was probably justified as it's irrelevant whether or not he connected.
Quote from: Bogball XV on December 04, 2008, 12:46:35 AM
I still think McEntee's red was probably justified as it's irrelevant whether or not he connected.
Have you watched the incident bogball?
For the world of me I cant understand how you think Mc Entee deserved a straight red for that ???
Anyway, no excuses on Sunday now for either team
Quote from: full back on December 04, 2008, 07:36:26 AM
Quote from: Bogball XV on December 04, 2008, 12:46:35 AM
I still think McEntee's red was probably justified as it's irrelevant whether or not he connected.
Have you watched the incident bogball?
For the world of me I cant understand how you think Mc Entee deserved a straight red for that ???
Anyway, no excuses on Sunday now for either team
only seen it online, the radio lads on sunday were adamant that it was red whether or not he connected though. Looking at the rules, he led with the elbow, which by the letter of the law must mean "attempting to strike", his own comments afterwards didn't do him any favours either though, he basically admitted he came in with the elbow. I also thought his comment "bad referees make bad decisions" would ensure he wouldn't play this sunday, can you imagine the repercussions if he were a soccer player saying that?
As I say, I think Conway's diving is the only reason that he will play this sunday.
Quote from: Bogball XV on December 04, 2008, 12:46:35 AM
Btw Conway's feigning a dive would have warranted a yellow card if the referee had seen what had happened correctly, although I still think McEntee's red was probably justified as it's irrelevant whether or not he connected.
Bog I still can't see how you think it was anywhere near a red card even without Conways feigning. Maybe you should have a look at www.tg4.tv The look on John Macs face says it all when the ref informs him he's for the line. He's in complete disbelief.
Quote from: crossfire on December 03, 2008, 09:06:12 PM
John Mac got his red card downgraded to a yellow and so he will be eligible for the replay.
I wonder how the cheat Conway feels now.??
Conway will not feel bothered either way. The type of player he is if he got the chance he would do it again.
Quote from: tonesfirstandlast on December 03, 2008, 07:08:03 PM
You have heard of "People in Glasshouses................."
What's wrong with soccer..............didn't Oisin play soccer.
TFAL that is possibly one of the most stupid posts I have seen in recent times. What I'm saying is diving is soccer stuff, please do not try and tell me diving doesnt go on in soccer. And if you can get me some sort of evidence of Oisin rolling about a soccer pitch feigning injury please don't be afraid to post it. Jesus what a stupid post.
QuoteNot at all Drumanee, Philip Jordan done the same in the 03 final, nothing happened
LOL. Is the glint of his 3 AI medals hurting your eyes OB?
Nothing to do with medals, just making a point that Conway will be safe enough as has been proved after last nights meeting, John Mac has been cleared to play after been proved innocent, the same as Jordan nothing came of his Miraculous recovery, ;)
Any word of if the Ref has been apointed yet for replay?
Is it gona be on tg4?
Not sure of ref, but live again on tg4 3:45.
Quote from: SidelineKick on December 04, 2008, 08:52:49 AM
Not sure of ref, but live again on tg4 3:45.
Is it not White from Donegal, the linesman from the original game??
Now you say that aye you're right someone mentioned that on an earlier post!
Corect decision. As an Antrim man I hope that Cross now go on and win it. They are like sh*t to watch but play good hard football. They would walk your face into the ground but only on the way thru, wouldn't come back for afters. Has that fella Aherne ever got a run in the county? Not much to his game but battle hardened that's for sure.
Taken from Irish News
http://www.irishnews.com/irishnews/597/5776/2008/12/4/604508_365429921065McEnteecl.html
McEntee cleared to play as red turns to yellow AIB Ulster Club Senior Football Championship
By Andy Watters
04/12/08
JOHN McEntee has been cleared to play for Crossmaglen in Sunday's Ulster Club SFC final replay against Ballinderry.
The influential half-forward had the red card he received from referee Martin Sludden for a foul on Darren McGuckian quashed at a meeting of the GAA's Central Competitions Committee (CCC) last night.
After the referee's report and video evidence of the incident in last Sunday's drawn final were reviewed, the CCC decided that the red card would be downgraded to a yellow.
McEntee's availability is a huge boost to the Armagh champions who would have struggled to replace the class and experience of the
All-Ireland winner for the Brewster Park sequel.
"Justice has been done, it's just a pity it wasn't done last Sunday," said relieved Crossmaglen manager Donal Murtagh as he put his players through a training session at St Oliver Plunkett Park last night.
The news of the CCC's decision was greeted with a roar of delight in the Crossmaglen clubrooms. Murtagh and his players will have been buoyed by the outcome as they prepare for their second meeting with the Derry champions.
"We had a good idea he would be available. It's a big boost for us, he's a quality player, there's no doubt about that," said Murtagh.
"We have plenty of forwards, if we didn't have him somebody else would have stood up. But you don't want to lose a quality player like John McEntee."
The news will have had the opposite effect on the Ballinderry players, who battled back from five points down to force a draw in a thrilling finish last Sunday.
"I'm sure it is a big blow to them, I don't know what their agenda was," said Murtagh.
"But we're just worried about ourselves at the minute."
Quote from: el_cuervo_fc on December 04, 2008, 09:12:38 AM
Taken from Irish News
http://www.irishnews.com/irishnews/597/5776/2008/12/4/604508_365429921065McEnteecl.html
McEntee cleared to play as red turns to yellow AIB Ulster Club Senior Football Championship
By Andy Watters
04/12/08
JOHN McEntee has been cleared to play for Crossmaglen in Sunday's Ulster Club SFC final replay against Ballinderry.
The influential half-forward had the red card he received from referee Martin Sludden for a foul on Darren McGuckian quashed at a meeting of the GAA's Central Competitions Committee (CCC) last night.
After the referee's report and video evidence of the incident in last Sunday's drawn final were reviewed, the CCC decided that the red card would be downgraded to a yellow.
McEntee's availability is a huge boost to the Armagh champions who would have struggled to replace the class and experience of the
All-Ireland winner for the Brewster Park sequel.
"Justice has been done, it's just a pity it wasn't done last Sunday," said relieved Crossmaglen manager Donal Murtagh as he put his players through a training session at St Oliver Plunkett Park last night.
The news of the CCC's decision was greeted with a roar of delight in the Crossmaglen clubrooms. Murtagh and his players will have been buoyed by the outcome as they prepare for their second meeting with the Derry champions.
"We had a good idea he would be available. It's a big boost for us, he's a quality player, there's no doubt about that," said Murtagh.
"We have plenty of forwards, if we didn't have him somebody else would have stood up. But you don't want to lose a quality player like John McEntee."
The news will have had the opposite effect on the Ballinderry players, who battled back from five points down to force a draw in a thrilling finish last Sunday.
"I'm sure it is a big blow to them, I don't know what their agenda was," said Murtagh.
"But we're just worried about ourselves at the minute."
Tut tut tut, that's just lazy journalism
Quote from: wherefromreferee? on December 04, 2008, 08:54:42 AM
Quote from: SidelineKick on December 04, 2008, 08:52:49 AM
Not sure of ref, but live again on tg4 3:45.
Is it not White from Donegal, the linesman from the original game??
Even moreso than the (correct) lifting of John McEntee's ban, this appointment has turned the game irrevocably in favour of Cross. Donegal men have a long and less than glorious history of mistreating Ballinderry men. Just look at what they did to Sean Larkin.
Up the Shamrocks! Remember Drumbo!
Who? and what happened, dont recall
Irish History lesson OB.
http://www.finnvalley.ie/history/martyrs/sean_larkin/seanlarkin.html (http://www.finnvalley.ie/history/martyrs/sean_larkin/seanlarkin.html)
Would be past his grave right and often.
Would be surprised if you did recall it. A quick google should help.
Although, i will admit that my point is quite tangential to the whole thread.
Quite :D
In fairness, White is one of the better refs about, he was praised for his performances in the Championship last suimmer, reffed both Cavan Antrim and the first Ulster Final.
Bogball, the ref red carded McEntee because he thought he caught Conway on the face, in fairness to the ref the TV camera angle was close to that of the ref and I must say that on first glance (and the ref's only glance) it did look like he caught him high. It was only on subsequent replays that we could see that Conway cheated. In this one incident I would not blame the ref at all, i would blame the man that cheated.
The Ulster Council with the benefit of the replays that we have seen reversed the decision that the ref had to call on the spot. Common sense prevailed. It barely merited a yellow card, but then again virtually all fouls are now deemed to be yellow cards.
Quote from: SidelineKick on December 04, 2008, 10:23:42 AM
Irish History lesson OB.
http://www.finnvalley.ie/history/martyrs/sean_larkin/seanlarkin.html (http://www.finnvalley.ie/history/martyrs/sean_larkin/seanlarkin.html)
Would be past his grave right and often.
My History was never a strong point, cheers lads
Why should Conway be punished?
Cross players feign injury, Balinderry players feign injury - Dromintee players do it too before you think I am having a go.
Should we make an example of him just because the cameras were there?
Yes. It would be a significant blow against this abomination in the game. Its prevalence in the game is probably mainly due to what lads see on television. Therefore, it's fitting that television should be employed in its eradication.
Quote from: corn02 on December 04, 2008, 10:33:46 AM
Why should Conway be punished?
Cross players feign injury, Balinderry players feign injury - Dromintee players do it too before you think I am having a go.
Should we make an example of him just because the cameras were there?
I am with you on this one Corn. Unfortunately it is common place in our games. In the first half on Sunday Tony and Steven Kernan both feigned injury in an attempt to get a player either booked or sent off!! Darren Conway did the same in the second half!! In my eyes there's no difference, players will do anything it takes to win a game!!!
See, this is what 's most depressing about it - it's gradually gaining acceptance.
Quote from: amigo on December 04, 2008, 10:44:23 AM
Quote from: corn02 on December 04, 2008, 10:33:46 AM
Why should Conway be punished?
Cross players feign injury, Balinderry players feign injury - Dromintee players do it too before you think I am having a go.
Should we make an example of him just because the cameras were there?
I am with you on this one Corn. Unfortunately it is common place in our games. In the first half on Sunday Tony and Steven Kernan both feigned injury in an attempt to get a player either booked or sent off!! Darren Conway did the same in the second half!! In my eyes there's no difference, players will do anything it takes to win a game!!!
When was that? What minutes I would like to go and have a look at it now. Not saying you are wrong but would like to know which particular incidents you feel they were trying to get a man sent off. Did they go down clutching their faces?
I don't think the ref is really to blame as mackers said it was his only chance to see the incident while us armchair refs had the benefit of the cameras. Conway should be punished yes. If you can't do it when the cameras are there meaning there is NO dispute as to what happened then when can you do it? If its not nipped in the bud now it will just escalate then we will have nothing more than what soccer is now. Ten years ago when I loved soccer it was good fair hard hitting football, now its full of f**king pansies. Gaelic is heading that way.
There is a difference in lying down for a few mins to falling to the ground clutching your face to get a player from the opposite teams booked. Next you'll see players waving an imaginary card to the ref to indicate the player that committed the foul should be booked a la soccer.
Quote from: Hardy on December 04, 2008, 10:49:17 AM
See, this is what 's most depressing about it - it's gradually gaining acceptance.
I wouldn't say that, but I don't see why one man should be singled out for the fact that tv cameras were there.
Quote from: Hardy on December 04, 2008, 10:49:17 AM
See, this is what 's most depressing about it - it's gradually gaining acceptance.
I blame David Beggy.
Mick Lyons didn't help either when he got the slap from Colm O'Neill.
Quote from: SidelineKick on December 04, 2008, 10:51:24 AM
Quote from: amigo on December 04, 2008, 10:44:23 AM
Quote from: corn02 on December 04, 2008, 10:33:46 AM
Why should Conway be punished?
Cross players feign injury, Balinderry players feign injury - Dromintee players do it too before you think I am having a go.
Should we make an example of him just because the cameras were there?
I am with you on this one Corn. Unfortunately it is common place in our games. In the first half on Sunday Tony and Steven Kernan both feigned injury in an attempt to get a player either booked or sent off!! Darren Conway did the same in the second half!! In my eyes there's no difference, players will do anything it takes to win a game!!!
When was that? What minutes I would like to go and have a look at it now. Not saying you are wrong but would like to know which particular incidents you feel they were trying to get a man sent off. Did they go down clutching their faces?
I don't think the ref is really to blame as mackers said it was his only chance to see the incident while us armchair refs had the benefit of the cameras. Conway should be punished yes. If you can't do it when the cameras are there meaning there is NO dispute as to what happened then when can you do it? If its not nipped in the bud now it will just escalate then we will have nothing more than what soccer is now. Ten years ago when I loved soccer it was good fair hard hitting football, now its full of f**king pansies. Gaelic is heading that way.
There is a difference in lying down for a few mins to falling to the ground clutching your face to get a player from the opposite teams booked. Next you'll see players waving an imaginary card to the ref to indicate the player that committed the foul should be booked a la soccer.
Both incidents occurred in the first half. Tony Kernan went down holding his throat and got Wilkinson his second yellow and sent off!! Steven Kernan lay down after an altercation with Kevin McGuckin and got him booked!! Both players were feigning injury in an attempt to get their opponent the line. Unfortunately this is the world we live in guy's. There are no angels when winning is at stake!!
Quote from: corn02 on December 04, 2008, 10:33:46 AM
Why should Conway be punished?
Cross players feign injury, Balinderry players feign injury - Dromintee players do it too before you think I am having a go.
Should we make an example of him just because the cameras were there?
I agree Corn,
It is something that we are used to seeing on the tv on a sat eveing on the premiership, but unforunately it does happen and to my knowledge i dont think there is a rule against it, only it is bad sportsmanship
Quote from: amigo on December 04, 2008, 10:56:03 AM
Quote from: SidelineKick on December 04, 2008, 10:51:24 AM
Quote from: amigo on December 04, 2008, 10:44:23 AM
Quote from: corn02 on December 04, 2008, 10:33:46 AM
Why should Conway be punished?
Cross players feign injury, Balinderry players feign injury - Dromintee players do it too before you think I am having a go.
Should we make an example of him just because the cameras were there?
I am with you on this one Corn. Unfortunately it is common place in our games. In the first half on Sunday Tony and Steven Kernan both feigned injury in an attempt to get a player either booked or sent off!! Darren Conway did the same in the second half!! In my eyes there's no difference, players will do anything it takes to win a game!!!
When was that? What minutes I would like to go and have a look at it now. Not saying you are wrong but would like to know which particular incidents you feel they were trying to get a man sent off. Did they go down clutching their faces?
I don't think the ref is really to blame as mackers said it was his only chance to see the incident while us armchair refs had the benefit of the cameras. Conway should be punished yes. If you can't do it when the cameras are there meaning there is NO dispute as to what happened then when can you do it? If its not nipped in the bud now it will just escalate then we will have nothing more than what soccer is now. Ten years ago when I loved soccer it was good fair hard hitting football, now its full of f**king pansies. Gaelic is heading that way.
There is a difference in lying down for a few mins to falling to the ground clutching your face to get a player from the opposite teams booked. Next you'll see players waving an imaginary card to the ref to indicate the player that committed the foul should be booked a la soccer.
Both incidents occurred in the first half. Tony Kernan went down holding his throat and got Wilkinson his second yellow and sent off!! Steven Kernan lay down after an altercation with Kevin McGuckin and got him booked!! Both players were feigning injury in an attempt to get their opponent the line. Unfortunately this is the world we live in guy's. There are no angels when winning is at stake!!
Was there any contact when they went down?
You must have been at the game & watching it very closely because the cameras didnt show the incidents
Quote from: saffron sam2 on December 04, 2008, 10:54:26 AM
Quote from: Hardy on December 04, 2008, 10:49:17 AM
See, this is what 's most depressing about it - it's gradually gaining acceptance.
I blame David Beggy.
Mick Lyons didn't help either when he got the slap from Colm O'Neill.
What? You surely can't be using the Lyons/O'Neill incident as an example of feigning injury, given that it's most frequently adduced as an example of the opposite - how to react to a real strike, never mind an imaginary one. In case you don't recall, Lyons just rubbed his jaw and walked away. As far as I recall, he also intervened with the ref to ask him not to send O'Neill off. Disgraceful behaviour all right.
Wait a minute, you've just wound me up - right?
Quote from: Onion Bag on December 04, 2008, 10:57:52 AMi dont think there is a rule against it, only it is bad sportsmanship
There is a rule against it. Which is why I can't understand why it's not being used and nobody is doing anything to stamp this stuff out.
Quote from: full back on December 04, 2008, 10:58:44 AM
Quote from: amigo on December 04, 2008, 10:56:03 AM
Quote from: SidelineKick on December 04, 2008, 10:51:24 AM
Quote from: amigo on December 04, 2008, 10:44:23 AM
Quote from: corn02 on December 04, 2008, 10:33:46 AM
Why should Conway be punished?
Cross players feign injury, Balinderry players feign injury - Dromintee players do it too before you think I am having a go.
Should we make an example of him just because the cameras were there?
I am with you on this one Corn. Unfortunately it is common place in our games. In the first half on Sunday Tony and Steven Kernan both feigned injury in an attempt to get a player either booked or sent off!! Darren Conway did the same in the second half!! In my eyes there's no difference, players will do anything it takes to win a game!!!
When was that? What minutes I would like to go and have a look at it now. Not saying you are wrong but would like to know which particular incidents you feel they were trying to get a man sent off. Did they go down clutching their faces?
I don't think the ref is really to blame as mackers said it was his only chance to see the incident while us armchair refs had the benefit of the cameras. Conway should be punished yes. If you can't do it when the cameras are there meaning there is NO dispute as to what happened then when can you do it? If its not nipped in the bud now it will just escalate then we will have nothing more than what soccer is now. Ten years ago when I loved soccer it was good fair hard hitting football, now its full of f**king pansies. Gaelic is heading that way.
There is a difference in lying down for a few mins to falling to the ground clutching your face to get a player from the opposite teams booked. Next you'll see players waving an imaginary card to the ref to indicate the player that committed the foul should be booked a la soccer.
Both incidents occurred in the first half. Tony Kernan went down holding his throat and got Wilkinson his second yellow and sent off!! Steven Kernan lay down after an altercation with Kevin McGuckin and got him booked!! Both players were feigning injury in an attempt to get their opponent the line. Unfortunately this is the world we live in guy's. There are no angels when winning is at stake!!
Was there any contact when they went down?
You must have been at the game & watching it very closely because the cameras didnt show the incidents
I WAS !!
Quote from: Hardy on December 04, 2008, 11:00:47 AM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on December 04, 2008, 10:54:26 AM
Quote from: Hardy on December 04, 2008, 10:49:17 AM
See, this is what 's most depressing about it - it's gradually gaining acceptance.
I blame David Beggy.
Mick Lyons didn't help either when he got the slap from Colm O'Neill.
What? You surely can't be using the Lyons/O'Neill incident as an example of feigning injury, given that it's most frequently adduced as an example of the opposite - how to react to a real strike, never mind an imaginary one. In case you don't recall, Lyons just rubbed his jaw and walked away. As far as I recall, he also intervened with the ref to ask him not to send O'Neill off. Disgraceful behaviour all right.
Wait a minute, you've just wound me up - right?
I hope I didn't, no. Your recall of Lyons and O'Neill is different than mine. Fire up the video there so we can have a look at it. Failing that I will think of other examples from the Royals.
My point was that behaviour such as Conway's isn't gradually gaining acceptance as you put it. Rather it has been an accepted part of Gaelic football since Paddy joined the army. As long, of course, as it's a player from your team seeking to gain advantage. Everyone else who does it is a cheating ****.
No need for the video - you can take my word for it.
I disagree completely that feigning injury has long been a part of the game, unless Paddy joined the army in this millennium. It was unheard of altogether before the eighties. Spillane was the first to flirt with it on one celebrated occasion. It was celebrated because it was new and unheard of. Barney Rock stayed down a few seconds too long once and was famously hauled to his feet by Mick Holden. You'll struggle to find anyone who can give you a third example from the eighties or any at all before that. It was rare enough to be remarkable through the nineties, with only a few notable exponents plying their trade (Martin Lynch comes to mind). But it's out of all control now.
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Quote from: corn02 on December 04, 2008, 10:33:46 AM
Why should Conway be punished?
Cross players feign injury, Balinderry players feign injury - Dromintee players do it too before you think I am having a go.
Should we make an example of him just because the cameras were there?
I am with you on this one Corn. Unfortunately it is common place in our games. In the first half on Sunday Tony and Steven Kernan both feigned injury in an attempt to get a player either booked or sent off!! Darren Conway did the same in the second half!! In my eyes there's no difference, players will do anything it takes to win a game!!!
When was that? What minutes I would like to go and have a look at it now. Not saying you are wrong but would like to know which particular incidents you feel they were trying to get a man sent off. Did they go down clutching their faces?
I don't think the ref is really to blame as mackers said it was his only chance to see the incident while us armchair refs had the benefit of the cameras. Conway should be punished yes. If you can't do it when the cameras are there meaning there is NO dispute as to what happened then when can you do it? If its not nipped in the bud now it will just escalate then we will have nothing more than what soccer is now. Ten years ago when I loved soccer it was good fair hard hitting football, now its full of f**king pansies. Gaelic is heading that way.
There is a difference in lying down for a few mins to falling to the ground clutching your face to get a player from the opposite teams booked. Next you'll see players waving an imaginary card to the ref to indicate the player that committed the foul should be booked a la soccer.
Both incidents occurred in the first half. Tony Kernan went down holding his throat and got Wilkinson his second yellow and sent off!! Steven Kernan lay down after an altercation with Kevin McGuckin and got him booked!! Both players were feigning injury in an attempt to get their opponent the line. Unfortunately this is the world we live in guy's. There are no angels when winning is at stake!!
Was there any contact when they went down?
You must have been at the game & watching it very closely because the cameras didnt show the incidents
I WAS !!
So inform us of what exactly happened with these incidents amigo. I have just watched the Tony Kernan one (or not watched it as it wasnt shown by the cameras). The footage before that shows the following:
Tony loses the ball in the corner.
He tackles Conor and puts him to the ground.
Conor complains and runs towards Tony.
The rest cannot be seen.
Please tell us what you saw...
Quote from: saffron sam2 on December 04, 2008, 11:07:22 AM
Quote from: Hardy on December 04, 2008, 11:00:47 AM
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Quote from: Hardy on December 04, 2008, 10:49:17 AM
See, this is what 's most depressing about it - it's gradually gaining acceptance.
I blame David Beggy.
Mick Lyons didn't help either when he got the slap from Colm O'Neill.
What? You surely can't be using the Lyons/O'Neill incident as an example of feigning injury, given that it's most frequently adduced as an example of the opposite - how to react to a real strike, never mind an imaginary one. In case you don't recall, Lyons just rubbed his jaw and walked away. As far as I recall, he also intervened with the ref to ask him not to send O'Neill off. Disgraceful behaviour all right.
Wait a minute, you've just wound me up - right?
I hope I didn't, no. Your recall of Lyons and O'Neill is different than mine. Fire up the video there so we can have a look at it. Failing that I will think of other examples from the Royals.
My point was that behaviour such as Conway's isn't gradually gaining acceptance as you put it. Rather it has been an accepted part of Gaelic football since Paddy joined the army. As long, of course, as it's a player from your team seeking to gain advantage. Everyone else who does it is a cheating ****.
If this is the incident that was highlighted on Lyons's Lochra Gael then what Hardy says is spot on. This whole diving/going to ground has to be nipped in the bud and nipped now. If incidents on telly aren't highlighted and punished then young fellas up and down the country are only gonna try to emulate them. It's make a bollox of soccer...
BOth players tangled and one went down feigning injury!! I am not saying there was no contact made in either incident Sideline. What i am saying is that neither of the players were injured and were merely trying to get their opponent sent off. Is their much of a difference in that and Darren Conway's actions. I don't think so!! I must say as a neutral at the game on Sunday i thoroughly enjoyed it!! I might settle for the TV this weekend all the same if the weather doesn't improve.
Amigo the two points differ for one main reason:
You seen an incident happen and you had that one opportunity to decided what happened. The referee had the same opportunity for Conway's incident. he called it wrong. We seen from the video footage that he called it wrong. There is a chance that you also did not see what you thought you seen. So many times you scream "no free" at the tv etc and when it shows the replay you think, "jesus maybe it was a foul".
You're split second opinion cannot be compared to a blatant feign caught on camera. The difference is it was caught on camera. It is incidents like these that need to be highlighted to stop this rot before it gets a good hold of our game.
Quote from: mackers on December 04, 2008, 10:26:13 AM
In fairness, White is one of the better refs about, he was praised for his performances in the Championship last suimmer, reffed both Cavan Antrim and the first Ulster Final.
Bogball, the ref red carded McEntee because he thought he caught Conway on the face, in fairness to the ref the TV camera angle was close to that of the ref and I must say that on first glance (and the ref's only glance) it did look like he caught him high. It was only on subsequent replays that we could see that Conway cheated. In this one incident I would not blame the ref at all, i would blame the man that cheated.
The Ulster Council with the benefit of the replays that we have seen reversed the decision that the ref had to call on the spot. Common sense prevailed. It barely merited a yellow card, but then again virtually all fouls are now deemed to be yellow cards.
I know he didn't catch him mackers, but my question is what foul was it that warranted a yellow card? As for conway, according to the rules he would have been yellow carded if the ref had known what he did.
Another point from listening to the radio, there were men dropping like flies all over the pitch, right in front of linesmen and umpires etc, but every time the ref after consulting with them saw fit to tick or issue yellows? That is also a total nonsense, either a foul was committed or it wasn't, if it was it's hard to see how it could have been less than a red card.
The radio lads also said Francie was extremely lucky to stay on - think it was just before the mcentee incident as he'd been booked and ticked and committed another challenge worthy of a yellow.
Quote from: amigo on December 04, 2008, 11:27:58 AM
BOth players tangled and one went down feigning injury!! I am not saying there was no contact made in either incident Sideline. What i am saying is that neither of the players were injured improve.
So everytime a player goes down he is injured??
I would say a player would be hurt rather than injured.
If a true injury was the case every time a player goes down it would end up 5 a side
BTW, is this your interpretation of the Tony K incident?
Kernan tackled Wilkinson & he went to ground
Wilkinson complained to ref & got nothing.
Wilkinson ran after Kernan, when he got beside Kernan, Kernan dropped to the ground 'feigning injury' ???
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on December 04, 2008, 11:24:39 AM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on December 04, 2008, 11:07:22 AM
Quote from: Hardy on December 04, 2008, 11:00:47 AM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on December 04, 2008, 10:54:26 AM
Quote from: Hardy on December 04, 2008, 10:49:17 AM
See, this is what 's most depressing about it - it's gradually gaining acceptance.
I blame David Beggy.
Mick Lyons didn't help either when he got the slap from Colm O'Neill.
What? You surely can't be using the Lyons/O'Neill incident as an example of feigning injury, given that it's most frequently adduced as an example of the opposite - how to react to a real strike, never mind an imaginary one. In case you don't recall, Lyons just rubbed his jaw and walked away. As far as I recall, he also intervened with the ref to ask him not to send O'Neill off. Disgraceful behaviour all right.
Wait a minute, you've just wound me up - right?
I hope I didn't, no. Your recall of Lyons and O'Neill is different than mine. Fire up the video there so we can have a look at it. Failing that I will think of other examples from the Royals.
My point was that behaviour such as Conway's isn't gradually gaining acceptance as you put it. Rather it has been an accepted part of Gaelic football since Paddy joined the army. As long, of course, as it's a player from your team seeking to gain advantage. Everyone else who does it is a cheating ****.
If this is the incident that was highlighted on Lyons's Lochra Gael then what Hardy says is spot on. This whole diving/going to ground has to be nipped in the bud and nipped now. If incidents on telly aren't highlighted and punished then young fellas up and down the country are only gonna try to emulate them. It's make a bollox of soccer...
Absolutely and I totally agree, it has to be punished much more severly. But my point is that people a re making out as if Conway is the devil here. I am simply saying that he shouldn't neccesarily be chastised so severly as it happensin nearly every game.
amigo in talking shite shocker!!!! ::) ::) ::)
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Quote from: amigo on December 04, 2008, 11:27:58 AM
BOth players tangled and one went down feigning injury!! I am not saying there was no contact made in either incident Sideline. What i am saying is that neither of the players were injured improve.
So everytime a player goes down he is injured??
I would say a player would be hurt rather than injured.
If a true injury was the case every time a player goes down it would end up 5 a side
BTW, is this your interpretation of the Tony K incident?
Kernan tackled Wilkinson & he went to ground
Wilkinson complained to ref & got nothing.
Wilkinson ran after Kernan, when he got beside Kernan, Kernan dropped to the ground 'feigning injury' ???
Well he hardly received the yellow card for diving on the ground !!!
Quote from: corn02 on December 04, 2008, 11:44:40 AM
Absolutely and I totally agree, it has to be punished much more severly. But my point is that people a re making out as if Conway is the devil here. I am simply saying that he shouldn't neccesarily be chastised so severly as it happensin nearly every game.
I see where you're coming from corn but my point is, if we can't start to stamp this out by using the televised games with actual non-debatable evbidence, then when and how can we expect to stop this rot?
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Quote from: amigo on December 04, 2008, 11:27:58 AM
BOth players tangled and one went down feigning injury!! I am not saying there was no contact made in either incident Sideline. What i am saying is that neither of the players were injured improve.
So everytime a player goes down he is injured??
I would say a player would be hurt rather than injured.
If a true injury was the case every time a player goes down it would end up 5 a side
BTW, is this your interpretation of the Tony K incident?
Kernan tackled Wilkinson & he went to ground
Wilkinson complained to ref & got nothing.
Wilkinson ran after Kernan, when he got beside Kernan, Kernan dropped to the ground 'feigning injury' ???
Well he hardly received the yellow card for diving on the ground !!!
What are you on about then FFS?
Quote from: Final Whistle on December 04, 2008, 11:46:38 AM
amigo in talking shite shocker!!!! ::) ::) ::)
Perfect timing !! Just while we are on the topic of players diving and feigning injury, Final whistle will be able to inform us how his fellow clubmates perfected the art over the last few years!!!! LOL ;)
Quote from: full back on December 04, 2008, 11:48:32 AM
Quote from: amigo on December 04, 2008, 11:47:07 AM
Quote from: full back on December 04, 2008, 11:42:58 AM
Quote from: amigo on December 04, 2008, 11:27:58 AM
BOth players tangled and one went down feigning injury!! I am not saying there was no contact made in either incident Sideline. What i am saying is that neither of the players were injured improve.
So everytime a player goes down he is injured??
I would say a player would be hurt rather than injured.
If a true injury was the case every time a player goes down it would end up 5 a side
BTW, is this your interpretation of the Tony K incident?
Kernan tackled Wilkinson & he went to ground
Wilkinson complained to ref & got nothing.
Wilkinson ran after Kernan, when he got beside Kernan, Kernan dropped to the ground 'feigning injury' ???
Well he hardly received the yellow card for diving on the ground !!!
What are you on about then FFS?
I am talking about Kernan's yellow card !!
Quote from: Hardy on December 04, 2008, 11:12:29 AM
No need for the video - you can take my word for it.
I disagree completely that feigning injury has long been a part of the game, unless Paddy joined the army in this millennium. It was unheard of altogether before the eighties. Spillane was the first to flirt with it on one celebrated occasion. It was celebrated because it was new and unheard of. Barney Rock stayed down a few seconds too long once and was famously hauled to his feet by Mick Holden. You'll struggle to find anyone who can give you a third example from the eighties or any at all before that. It was rare enough to be remarkable through the nineties, with only a few notable exponents plying their trade (Martin Lynch comes to mind). But it's out of all control now.
I'm happy enough to give you Lyons. My memory in this case isn't correct.
So did Paddy join the army in the 80s? Anyone who watched Spillane's footballing career would know that was an integral part of his game from before he ever played for Kerry Seniors. Ask Brendan Tully who was sent off in an under-21 semi-final in '74 for allegedly striking Spillane. Ask Gabriel Bradley how Spillane behaved in the AI semi-final of '76. To say that it is recent is wrong. The MacRory Cup final in 1965 was decided by a controversial penalty when the attacking player dived (something he happily admits to know). Greater coverage of games, more camera at games catching more incidents means that it appears more prevalent. Do you think incidents like Conway's or O'Mahoney's are more common now than they were in the 70s. Would Conway's antics even merit a mention here if it hadn't been caught on camera?
One of the main problems is that some of the greatest exponents of such practices (i.e. the biggest cheats) are lauded as some of the all-time greats of the game.
For a middle-aged man, you are being incredibly naive. Is it because I shouted at your mate yesterday?
Quote from: amigo on December 04, 2008, 11:50:07 AM
I am talking about Kernan's yellow card !!
Did you ever think that Conor started this as he was annoyed at not getting a free? Kernan struggled with him and ended up getting a slap on the mouth during it? It can happen amigo! My point is, we know Conways
didn't happen.
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Quote from: full back on December 04, 2008, 11:42:58 AM
Quote from: amigo on December 04, 2008, 11:27:58 AM
BOth players tangled and one went down feigning injury!! I am not saying there was no contact made in either incident Sideline. What i am saying is that neither of the players were injured improve.
So everytime a player goes down he is injured??
I would say a player would be hurt rather than injured.
If a true injury was the case every time a player goes down it would end up 5 a side
BTW, is this your interpretation of the Tony K incident?
Kernan tackled Wilkinson & he went to ground
Wilkinson complained to ref & got nothing.
Wilkinson ran after Kernan, when he got beside Kernan, Kernan dropped to the ground 'feigning injury' ???
Well he hardly received the yellow card for diving on the ground !!!
What are you on about then FFS?
I am talking about Kernan's yellow card !!
You said he 'feigned injury'
Either he did or he got hit, from what you are saying Wilkinson ran over to him and that was that ???
Im confused, I think perhaps so are you............
Quote from: amigo on December 04, 2008, 11:27:58 AM
BOth players tangled and one went down feigning injury!! I am not saying there was no contact made in either incident Sideline. What i am saying is that neither of the players were injured and were merely trying to get their opponent sent off. Is their much of a difference in that and Darren Conway's actions. I don't think so!! I must say as a neutral at the game on Sunday i thoroughly enjoyed it!! I might settle for the TV this weekend all the same if the weather doesn't improve.
I said both players tangled and one went down. What i am saying is there is no way he was hurt!! There was nothing in it, he ws trying to get his opponent sent off !!
Quote from: amigo on December 04, 2008, 11:59:20 AM
Quote from: amigo on December 04, 2008, 11:27:58 AM
BOth players tangled and one went down feigning injury!! I am not saying there was no contact made in either incident Sideline. What i am saying is that neither of the players were injured and were merely trying to get their opponent sent off. Is their much of a difference in that and Darren Conway's actions. I don't think so!! I must say as a neutral at the game on Sunday i thoroughly enjoyed it!! I might settle for the TV this weekend all the same if the weather doesn't improve.
I said both players tangled and one went down. What i am saying is there is no way he was hurt!! There was nothing in it, he ws trying to get his opponent sent off !!
You said he 'feigned injury', how do you know he wasnt hurt?
Quote from: full back on December 04, 2008, 12:01:17 PM
Quote from: amigo on December 04, 2008, 11:59:20 AM
Quote from: amigo on December 04, 2008, 11:27:58 AM
BOth players tangled and one went down feigning injury!! I am not saying there was no contact made in either incident Sideline. What i am saying is that neither of the players were injured and were merely trying to get their opponent sent off. Is their much of a difference in that and Darren Conway's actions. I don't think so!! I must say as a neutral at the game on Sunday i thoroughly enjoyed it!! I might settle for the TV this weekend all the same if the weather doesn't improve.
I said both players tangled and one went down. What i am saying is there is no way he was hurt!! There was nothing in it, he ws trying to get his opponent sent off !!
You said he 'feigned injury', how do you know he wasnt hurt?
My point exactly. We seen clearly from video footage Conway definitely wasn't hurt (not where he was holding anyway).
You seen an incident for a few seconds amigo and have based your opinion on that. Tony Kernan could have got a box to the mouth and been hurt by it. To state so clearly that he definitely wasn't hurt cannot be accurate in any way!
amigo in talking about things he does not have a clue about shocker!!!![/u]
fool, your the boy who comes out and slaps the back off them late september. bet you were one calling for harte's head in may!! then hailing him as messiah in september.
come on amigo, talk about the price of lamb or the weather implications on a rural and backward community-something you at least known something about!!!
Quote from: SidelineKick on December 04, 2008, 11:48:03 AM
Quote from: corn02 on December 04, 2008, 11:44:40 AM
Absolutely and I totally agree, it has to be punished much more severly. But my point is that people a re making out as if Conway is the devil here. I am simply saying that he shouldn't neccesarily be chastised so severly as it happensin nearly every game.
I see where you're coming from corn but my point is, if we can't start to stamp this out by using the televised games with actual non-debatable evbidence, then when and how can we expect to stop this rot?
Yeah good point, Conway knew the cameras were there, you face the consequenxes, or you should, I have a bit of sympathy for him in this witch hunt. Not because he was innocent, but because there is no structure in place to deal with it. As Hardy says there is a rule, I think it is in the sportsmanship bracket, it needs to be enforced.
Quote from: Final Whistle on December 04, 2008, 12:10:35 PM
amigo in talking about things he does not have a clue about shocker!!!![/u]
fool, your the boy who comes out and slaps the back off them late september. bet you were one calling for harte's head in may!! then hailing him as messiah in september.
come on amigo, talk about the price of lamb or the weather implications on a rural and backward community-something you at least known something about!!!
You really are showing your immaturity FW!! ;D ;D ;D ;D I love it !!! Why not tell us the SON story again. LOL
Quote from: screenexile on December 01, 2008, 03:34:58 PM
Quote from: WolfeTone on December 01, 2008, 03:11:48 PM
Quote from: amigo on December 01, 2008, 03:09:57 PM
Oisin's goal should have been disallowed for taking nine steps!!!
Neda watch the tape 2nite to make sure of that one, but im nearly certain he fouled on the ball by switching hands? Neda watch it tonight to be certain, but i thought it at the time
Where did this changing hands myth come from? Utter nonsense!
Utter nonesense?
RULE 4 - TECHNICAL FOULS
4.10 (a) To change the ball from one hand to the other without the original holding hand maintaining contact until the change is completed.
(b) To change the ball from one hand to the other more than once - unless the ball is bounced or toe-tapped between the changes.
Good job I'm here to keep ye right screen ;)
Quote from: saffron sam2 on December 04, 2008, 11:52:39 AM
Quote from: Hardy on December 04, 2008, 11:12:29 AM
No need for the video - you can take my word for it.
I disagree completely that feigning injury has long been a part of the game, unless Paddy joined the army in this millennium. It was unheard of altogether before the eighties. Spillane was the first to flirt with it on one celebrated occasion. It was celebrated because it was new and unheard of. Barney Rock stayed down a few seconds too long once and was famously hauled to his feet by Mick Holden. You'll struggle to find anyone who can give you a third example from the eighties or any at all before that. It was rare enough to be remarkable through the nineties, with only a few notable exponents plying their trade (Martin Lynch comes to mind). But it's out of all control now.
I'm happy enough to give you Lyons. My memory in this case isn't correct.
So did Paddy join the army in the 80s? Anyone who watched Spillane's footballing career would know that was an integral part of his game from before he ever played for Kerry Seniors. Ask Brendan Tully who was sent off in an under-21 semi-final in '74 for allegedly striking Spillane. Ask Gabriel Bradley how Spillane behaved in the AI semi-final of '76. To say that it is recent is wrong. The MacRory Cup final in 1965 was decided by a controversial penalty when the attacking player dived (something he happily admits to know). Greater coverage of games, more camera at games catching more incidents means that it appears more prevalent. Do you think incidents like Conway's or O'Mahoney's are more common now than they were in the 70s. Would Conway's antics even merit a mention here if it hadn't been caught on camera?
One of the main problems is that some of the greatest exponents of such practices (i.e. the biggest cheats) are lauded as some of the all-time greats of the game.
SS, you seem to be conflating two entirely separate kinds of cheating - feigning injury and feigning being fouled in order to get a free. Neither is acceptable, but one is an order of magnitude more heinous than the other. The incidence of both has increased massively in recent times, but especially the injury feigning. I stand by my assertion that feigning injury was practically unheard of before the 80s and quite rare until recent times. In fact it was complete anathema to the culture and ethos of the game, where to even admit injury was to exhibit weakness and vulnerability. I can assure you that I saw and participated in more games in the seventies than I do now, even when most of what I see I see on television. I can't recall ever seeing a player pretend to be hurt in a game I watched and definitely never saw it in a game I played in.
I do acknowledge one influence of television as I mentioned in a previous post - television is instrumental in the rapid spread of the tendency.
QuoteFor a middle-aged man, you are being incredibly naive. Is it because I shouted at your mate yesterday?
No need to get personal. I'm far from naive. I don't understand the last question.
Quote from: WolfeTone on December 04, 2008, 12:14:50 PM
Quote from: screenexile on December 01, 2008, 03:34:58 PM
Quote from: WolfeTone on December 01, 2008, 03:11:48 PM
Quote from: amigo on December 01, 2008, 03:09:57 PM
Oisin's goal should have been disallowed for taking nine steps!!!
Neda watch the tape 2nite to make sure of that one, but im nearly certain he fouled on the ball by switching hands? Neda watch it tonight to be certain, but i thought it at the time
Where did this changing hands myth come from? Utter nonsense!
Utter nonesense?
RULE 4 - TECHNICAL FOULS
4.10 (a) To change the ball from one hand to the other without the original holding hand maintaining contact until the change is completed.
(b) To change the ball from one hand to the other more than once - unless the ball is bounced or toe-tapped between the changes.
Good job I'm here to keep ye right screen ;)
I remember QUB LALALA and a housemate having a massive arguemnt about McConville's goal against Dr Crokes in the final. One of them, can't remeber which one, was insistent that it was a foul and should have been a free out.
QuoteQuote from: Final Whistle on Today at 12:10:35 PM
amigo in talking about things he does not have a clue about shocker!!!![/u]
fool, your the boy who comes out and slaps the back off them late september. bet you were one calling for harte's head in may!! then hailing him as messiah in september.
come on amigo, talk about the price of lamb or the weather implications on a rural and backward community-something you at least known something about!!!
You really are showing your immaturity FW!! I love it !!! Why not tell us the SON story again. LOL
id rather let you take the plaudits for revealing that "top class inside source" ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: WolfeTone on December 04, 2008, 12:14:50 PM
Quote from: screenexile on December 01, 2008, 03:34:58 PM
Quote from: WolfeTone on December 01, 2008, 03:11:48 PM
Quote from: amigo on December 01, 2008, 03:09:57 PM
Oisin's goal should have been disallowed for taking nine steps!!!
Neda watch the tape 2nite to make sure of that one, but im nearly certain he fouled on the ball by switching hands? Neda watch it tonight to be certain, but i thought it at the time
Where did this changing hands myth come from? Utter nonsense!
Utter nonesense?
RULE 4 - TECHNICAL FOULS
4.10 (a) To change the ball from one hand to the other without the original holding hand maintaining contact until the change is completed.
(b) To change the ball from one hand to the other more than once - unless the ball is bounced or toe-tapped between the changes.
Good job I'm here to keep ye right screen ;)
noticed that myself when looking through the rule book, it'd be a hard one for the ref to call all the same - bit like square ball
Quote from: WolfeTone on December 04, 2008, 12:14:50 PM
Quote from: screenexile on December 01, 2008, 03:34:58 PM
Quote from: WolfeTone on December 01, 2008, 03:11:48 PM
Quote from: amigo on December 01, 2008, 03:09:57 PM
Oisin's goal should have been disallowed for taking nine steps!!!
Neda watch the tape 2nite to make sure of that one, but im nearly certain he fouled on the ball by switching hands? Neda watch it tonight to be certain, but i thought it at the time
Where did this changing hands myth come from? Utter nonsense!
Utter nonesense?
RULE 4 - TECHNICAL FOULS
4.10 (a) To change the ball from one hand to the other without the original holding hand maintaining contact until the change is completed.
(b) To change the ball from one hand to the other more than once - unless the ball is bounced or toe-tapped between the changes.
Good job I'm here to keep ye right screen ;)
Sorry but this stems from an agument I had with someone about Mulligans goal against the Dubs a few years ago. To have committed a foul by "switching/changing hands" means you have to effectively throw the ball up with one and and catch it with the other... I have yet to see an instance of this in any game I've watched this year. It is not a natural movement and occurs EXTREMELY rarely in our games.
I am well aware of the rule above having cited it before but it clearly states that you are allowed to switch hands as long as both hands are in contact with the ball at the point it is switched!
Watched McConvilles goal again. No foul, as he only changed the ball from hands once.
The reason i quoted from the rulebook was to counteract screens statement that the rule was "utter nonsense", as if i was making it up?!
Quote from: saffron sam2 on December 04, 2008, 11:07:22 AM
I hope I didn't, no. Your recall of Lyons and O'Neill is different than mine. Fire up the video there so we can have a look at it. Failing that I will think of other examples from the Royals.
My point was that behaviour such as Conway's isn't gradually gaining acceptance as you put it. Rather it has been an accepted part of Gaelic football since Paddy joined the army. As long, of course, as it's a player from your team seeking to gain advantage. Everyone else who does it is a cheating ****.
I'd love to know what your recall was like.
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Quote from: Jinxy on December 05, 2008, 12:31:36 AM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on December 04, 2008, 11:07:22 AM
I hope I didn't, no. Your recall of Lyons and O'Neill is different than mine. Fire up the video there so we can have a look at it. Failing that I will think of other examples from the Royals.
My point was that behaviour such as Conway's isn't gradually gaining acceptance as you put it. Rather it has been an accepted part of Gaelic football since Paddy joined the army. As long, of course, as it's a player from your team seeking to gain advantage. Everyone else who does it is a cheating ****.
I'd love to know what your recall was like.
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Had you read back a bit further, you would know what my recall was like.
To save you the bother your picture isn't far off the mark.
Quote from: Hardy on December 04, 2008, 12:30:02 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on December 04, 2008, 11:52:39 AM
Quote from: Hardy on December 04, 2008, 11:12:29 AM
No need for the video - you can take my word for it.
I disagree completely that feigning injury has long been a part of the game, unless Paddy joined the army in this millennium. It was unheard of altogether before the eighties. Spillane was the first to flirt with it on one celebrated occasion. It was celebrated because it was new and unheard of. Barney Rock stayed down a few seconds too long once and was famously hauled to his feet by Mick Holden. You'll struggle to find anyone who can give you a third example from the eighties or any at all before that. It was rare enough to be remarkable through the nineties, with only a few notable exponents plying their trade (Martin Lynch comes to mind). But it's out of all control now.
I'm happy enough to give you Lyons. My memory in this case isn't correct.
So did Paddy join the army in the 80s? Anyone who watched Spillane's footballing career would know that was an integral part of his game from before he ever played for Kerry Seniors. Ask Brendan Tully who was sent off in an under-21 semi-final in '74 for allegedly striking Spillane. Ask Gabriel Bradley how Spillane behaved in the AI semi-final of '76. To say that it is recent is wrong. The MacRory Cup final in 1965 was decided by a controversial penalty when the attacking player dived (something he happily admits to know). Greater coverage of games, more camera at games catching more incidents means that it appears more prevalent. Do you think incidents like Conway's or O'Mahoney's are more common now than they were in the 70s. Would Conway's antics even merit a mention here if it hadn't been caught on camera?
One of the main problems is that some of the greatest exponents of such practices (i.e. the biggest cheats) are lauded as some of the all-time greats of the game.
SS, you seem to be conflating two entirely separate kinds of cheating - feigning injury and feigning being fouled in order to get a free. Neither is acceptable, but one is an order of magnitude more heinous than the other. The incidence of both has increased massively in recent times, but especially the injury feigning. I stand by my assertion that feigning injury was practically unheard of before the 80s and quite rare until recent times. In fact it was complete anathema to the culture and ethos of the game, where to even admit injury was to exhibit weakness and vulnerability. I can assure you that I saw and participated in more games in the seventies than I do now, even when most of what I see I see on television. I can't recall ever seeing a player pretend to be hurt in a game I watched and definitely never saw it in a game I played in.
I do acknowledge one influence of television as I mentioned in a previous post - television is instrumental in the rapid spread of the tendency.
I like debating with people who have an excellent command of written expression and by introducing the word 'conflating' into the debate, you have my full attention. However I don't think that I am conflating anything. As you say feigning injury and feigning being fouled in order to get a free are both cheating. You can split hairs as to which is more serious. Both, by their nature, are likely to result in an innocent party being sent-off - one immediately, the other eventually. Both are likely to have a massive outcome on the bearing and result of a game. Conway's actions, whilst reprehensible, were no worse than many of the other antics that took place during the game. All were cheating. How many other players, in teams throughout the country at all levels would have done exactly what Conway did and be lauded for it by their team mates and supporters? Players are coached to do this. I quoted an Irish News journalist in another thread when he said that the entirely laudable 'will to win' had been replaced by a 'win at all costs' attitude. When you hear of a school team using the mantra 'whatever it takes', you have to realise there are serious issues in the game.
As to the frequency of such incidents, I would struggle to name an All-Ireland winning team from the last 25 years that would have won their All-Irelands without fielding players who were prepared to feign injury or feign being fouled to get a free.
I didn't win much as a footballer and am unlikely to now, but it genuinely doesn't sit easily with me the lengths that teams have to be prepared to go to to be successful.
Quote from: Hardy on December 04, 2008, 12:30:02 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on December 04, 2008, 11:52:39 AM
For a middle-aged man, you are being incredibly naive. Is it because I shouted at your mate yesterday?
No need to get personal. I'm far from naive. I don't understand the last question.
It wasn't meant as personal, but I can't see why you think this is only a recent phenomenom. The last question is a reference to the debate re. bcb1's sending-off. I am not accusing him of lying and won't be. His interpretation of the incident is differnet than mine. we won't agree. You wouldn't be calling him a liar if you didn't agree with his take on the incident. Nor do I believe I have misinterpreted what I saw. But becuase, you appear to know bcb1 (who has always been an excellent poster btw), it seems to cloud your judgement.
On a sort of related topic, but to give me an opportunity to further my point, do you remember Kevin Foley's tackle on Mickey Linden? What is your take on that one? Then I'll give you mine. Then we'll try to come up with Kevin Foley's may be.
Reasonable post SS. A few things:
There's a world of difference between feigning injury and diving for a free. The main one is that the former is ultimately very dangerous, when it cheapens the perception of injury to the extent that it leads, as it inevitably will, to a genuinely injured player failing to get treatment or being manhandled because he's assumed to be feigning. Imagine a player with a neck injury being pulled and dragged by an opponent who assumes he's cheating. Diving for a foul is abominable as well, of course. Just not to the same degree.
If you insist that diving was prevalent in games I played in (at a very low level, I must add) and watched from the sideline and stands and I didn't notice it, you'll have to give me some examples and we'll take it from there. I expect you may be able to bring up a few examples of pretending to be fouled. I'll be amazed if you can give me even one example of injury feigning pre 1990, bar the two mild examples I mentioned earlier.
Strangely, I don't actually remember Foley's tackle on Linden (or maybe not strangely - we tend to block out uncomfortable memories). I was at the game and don't remember the incident. I've seen the video a number of times and don't recall ever remarking on it (maybe it's not caught on camera). However, I know it's a cause celebre (I'm glad you enjoy words like that as much as I do) among Down followers and I presume it must be with good reason. I've heard that a few teeth went missing in the incident. (The incident years later with Francie makes me wonder if Mickey is a little careless with his teeth. Just a joke - I have the greatest respect for Mickey). So I'm afraid I can't comment on that one, but I'll accept the word of Down men and others here who saw and remember it.
Anyway, my only point about the BCB incident - I think my position is reasonable. I didn't see it myself (or don't remember it if I did), so if I'm put on the spot I'll have to take the word of the participant above the interpretation of a spectator some distance away, with no disrespect to the spectator. I could be wrong. BCB could even be wrong, but I'm finding it hard to rationalise how he could be without distorting the facts.
I don't know BCB, as it happens - a situation I've often threatened, but haven't got around to rectifying over a few pints sometime, as we live not too far from each other.
Quote from: Hardy on December 05, 2008, 12:29:43 PM
Reasonable post SS. A few things:
There's a world of difference between feigning injury and diving for a free. The main one is that the former is ultimately very dangerous, when it cheapens the perception of injury to the extent that it leads, as it inevitably will, to a genuinely injured player failing to get treatment or being manhandled because he's assumed to be feigning. Imagine a player with a neck injury being pulled and dragged by an opponent who assumes he's cheating. Diving for a foul is abominable as well, of course. Just not to the same degree.
If you insist that diving was prevalent in games I played in (at a very low level, I must add) and watched from the sideline and stands and I didn't notice it, you'll have to give me some examples and we'll take it from there. I expect you may be able to bring up a few examples of pretending to be fouled. I'll be amazed if you can give me even one example of injury feigning pre 1990, bar the two mild examples I mentioned earlier.
Strangely, I don't actually remember Foley's tackle on Linden (or maybe not strangely - we tend to block out uncomfortable memories). I was at the game and don't remember the incident. I've seen the video a number of times and don't recall ever remarking on it (maybe it's not caught on camera). However, I know it's a cause celebre (I'm glad you enjoy words like that as much as I do) among Down followers and I presume it must be with good reason. I've heard that a few teeth went missing in the incident. (The incident years later with Francie makes me wonder if Mickey is a little careless with his teeth. Just a joke - I have the greatest respect for Mickey). So I'm afraid I can't comment on that one, but I'll accept the word of Down men and others here who saw and remember it.
Anyway, my only point about the BCB incident - I think my position is reasonable. I didn't see it myself (or don't remember it if I did), so if I'm put on the spot I'll have to take the word of the participant above the interpretation of a spectator some distance away, with no disrespect to the spectator. I could be wrong. BCB could even be wrong, but I'm finding it hard to rationalise how he could be without distorting the facts.
I don't know BCB, as it happens - a situation I've often threatened, but haven't got around to rectifying over a few pints sometime, as we live not too far from each other.
I have already given you two, both involving Pat Spillane in the 70s. I can also vaguely remember an incident involving Ger Power and Hugo Clerkin that resulted in Clerkin getting sent off. Now, there is a pattern already. Was Spillane the only one? Were Kerry the only team or just the first one? Is it a secret that O'Dwyer's Kerry teams had no problem bending rules, i.e. cheating? There won't be as many incidents to highlight, because there weren't as many games covered.
Declan Bogue, in today's Gaelic Life, and the referee on Sunday last:
Pull Up A Stool Martin, You Did Just Fine
(I'm on your side)
"Why do you see the speck in your neighbour's eye, when you do not notice the log in your own eye" - Matthew, 7:3
Here he comes strolling into the bar, the moustache waxed down, looking red-cheeked from exertion. It's Martin Sludden, the referee.
You might remember him from such games as last Sunday's Ulster Club Final. Or, if you're like me and like to head into enemy territory the odd time in search of GAA kicks, numerous Tyrone club matches. But pull up a stool there Marty, boy have we got a lot to get through.
First off, a confession. We all form opinions of people without even needing to know the slightest thing about them. Many and often are the times when I would pull the duffel coat up around my gills, tr**p into Healy Park, and mutter to another on the way into the stand "How d'ye think this'll go?" Sometimes, oh Jesus I can't believe I'm telling you this Martin, it must be the gin, they might go "it'll be pure dung. That Sludden man's refereeing. He'd spoil a good game." It embarrasses me to say, that I'd pass myself to my new best friend, nod, and say a curt "Aye, you're dead right."
So, you could say we have history Martin. What are you having anyway? Aye, we have history all right, albeit in a very loose and tenuous fashion.
I was there in Brewster Park last Sunday too. A big game, under lights, Champions League type atmosphere, county men all over the pitch, heavy hits going in everywhere, bodies flying. It must have been a nightmare to referee, I wasn't envious of you in the slightest.
We're getting on all right aren't we? Is it OK if I bring up the whole 'sendings off thing'? Maybe it's too soon.
Well, I'm no great fan of press boxes, I like to get out there among the plain people of Ireland, to get up close and personal with halitosis sufferers, to try and learn what it feels like to pay £12 into a game, all that jazz. Basically, I'm a man of the people, unless those people include traffic-wardens, politicians, call-centre agents (been there, endured that), or coppers. Authority figures and jobsworths, basically.
I strayed from the point again Martin, how rude of me. Anyhow, I stood around the back of the stand, trying to catch a glimpse of how these teams warm up. You were there too, going through your runs, stretches, diligently preparing to do your level best. Every inch the professional in an amateur sport.
The the ball was in, the game was on, the fat was in the fire. I did the usual well-worn gag for a cousin beside me, paraphrasing Micheál O'Hehir. "Fifty five minutes remaining in this match, hallelujlah!" The pace was frantic, the off-the-ball stuff was fierce.
You kept the head though. Too many games of this nature have become a farce, but you were there the whole time, keeping people right. Then the red cards. Oh yes, it's time. You consulted with your linesmen, you took counsel from officials closer to the incident. You did everything you could, and acted upon the information received.
For John Mc Entee's, a flock of Crossmaglen supporters were beside me. They saw the challenge and immediately said "Ah, John's going to walk for that." Didn't have the benefit of slow-motion replay you see! Then the game ended, and before I was even at the back of the stand again, a couch-surfing clubmate texted me. Let me read it out for you: 'Ref a jkr, john mc nvr touchd him, seen it on da box'. Television has made experts of us all! Who'd a thunk it?
I went in search of porter, and to thaw the bones out in the clubhouse. There were people talking Martin.
I don't wish to be telling tales out of school, but I heard words like 'disgrace'. I stood up for you though. Not just saying that because you're sitting beside me, but I put in a good word. Said you did a decent job. Said there wasn't much else you could have done, you can only referee from the angle you saw it.
Seriously though, a disgrace? That over-dramatic phrase was everywhere. Even some of the columnists inside here have said it. They need to get some perspective in life. This August gone by, Mary Harney promised a vaccine against cervical cancer for twelve-year-old girls. Brilliant! Weeks later, she turned around and said 'no can do', that there wasn't enough cash in the coffers.
This from a coalition government that spent €50 million on e-voting machines that were used once, and had to be scrapped. Fianna Fáil's Noel Dempsey described that figure as 'small change', yet they couldn't rustle up the €13 million to protect the health of the state's youth? That, my friend, is a disgrace.
Your thing last Sunday Martin? It was 'just one of those things'. No big deal, now drink up.
declan trying to hard to write like roy curtis with cliches,take advise declan roy is the most irritating journo out there and your heading in the same direction,don't be different for the sake of it.
Good luck to Cross tomorrow...
Cross and Rhode a tasty 9/2 double with Paddy Powers, priced at 8/11 and 9/4 for the single bets respectively
COME ON THE SHAMROCKS....YOU CAN DO IT!
What time's this one start, is it aired live on tg4, or delayed?
Match called off!!
Dissappointed
Was leaving for the match at 1.30pm
At least it was called off before people started to travel
Probably be next week ?
I'd imagine so. Getting very close to Christmas to be playing football.
Feck that >:(
was looking forward to it!
The weather bad round home?
Pretty bad frost last night
Colder than normal
>:( >:( same as that carmen
will TG4 be showing the Munster final now?
Up early 2day carmen and devil!!Not like u:):D Now what is everyone goin to do to pass this day??Was lookin forward to game!
Feck. I went to early mass and everything >:(
AIB Leinster Club SHC Final (2.00)
Ballyhale Shamrocks (Kilkenny) v Birr (Offaly)
Prob be on live now and somethin else possibly!
??? ??? Eh..... this was played last Sunday.
Leinster SFC Club Final - Kilmacud v Rhode (2.00) live on TG4
Deferred coverage of Munster SFC Club Final immediately afterwards.
Was any other venue explored ??
Quote from: orangeman on December 07, 2008, 02:32:39 PM
Was any other venue explored ??
Enniskillen was apparently the only venue able to hold it last week, so I would do if any other venues would have been playable.
Quote from: Smokin Joe on December 07, 2008, 02:48:17 PM
Quote from: orangeman on December 07, 2008, 02:32:39 PM
Was any other venue explored ??
Enniskillen was apparently the only venue able to hold it last week, so I would do if any other venues would have been playable.
Omagh ??
Casement ??
Athletic grounds?
Shorter drive to Casement for both sides. Modern means of communication etc - lovely day apart from being cold.
Quote from: AFS on December 07, 2008, 05:00:30 PM
Was it not only called off at about 11 or 12 this morning though? There's no way they would've been able to arrange another ground on such short notice.
the game was fixed for 3-45 called off at 11-30 and the problem was???? i hope their answer next week will be, yes we have another ground.
and another thing, at 11am it was always going to be frozen we went down to the pitch at 12 today, 14 of us wee warm up and then played 7's. top pitch frozen but the bottom pitch was grand. when we finished up both pitches were good enough
Ulster Senior Club Final Postponed
The Ballinderry v Crossmaglen Ulster final was cancelled due to a frozen pitch.
The Replay has been re-fixed for Sunday 14th December at Enniskillen.
The time of the game will be confirmed later
I hope it's played in daylight this time.
Why did they want it played at 3.45pm anyway ??
MATCH NEXT SUNDAY @ 2PM ENNISKILLENN(http://:))
Quote from: sean og on December 07, 2008, 07:51:51 PM
MATCH NEXT SUNDAY @ 2PM ENNISKILLENN(http://:))
Thank God for 2 o'clock anyway.
QuoteWhy did they want it played at 3.45pm anyway ??
it was at this time to allow live TV coverage.
On a related matter why did the Sunday Tribune today condemn TG4 lack of planned coverage of this game when it has been known for most of the week that it would be covered. Can they not read?
I would have thought that in order to get maximum attendance, have this game as deferred coverage so that people don't have a choice. If it was deferred, would more people not choose to attend ?
QuoteIf it was deferred, would more people not choose to attend ?
If it was in Casement would more people not choose to attend?
I'd have thought that more people would have wanted to go and see the game live in daylight as opposed to watching a deferred version ?
Is it on TV this weekend?
Yes ... Live.
Quote from: orangeman on December 09, 2008, 03:09:40 PM
I'd have thought that more people would have wanted to go and see the game live in daylight as opposed to watching a deferred version ?
I prefer the atmosphere at games under lights
"Very frosty again on Saturday night and Sunday morning with more bright and showery weather to follow on into daytime Sunday. Temperatures through the weekend will only be in low single figures during the day and the showers will turn to snow on the hills."
Well it may be twilight, but it will not be warm!!
Quote from: armaghniac on December 11, 2008, 10:43:09 PM
"Very frosty again on Saturday night and Sunday morning with more bright and showery weather to follow on into daytime Sunday. Temperatures through the weekend will only be in low single figures during the day and the showers will turn to snow on the hills."
Well it may be twilight, but it will not be warm!!
Can they not throw some tarps down with straw to keep it from freezen or even use some ground heaters to knock the frost off?
it appears that there is a real danger of frost affecting the pitch again, today's forecast is not any better.These darks days it can freeze from 4pm onwards and it is slow to thaw.
"SATURDAY NIGHT will be bitterly cold, in a light to moderate northerly wind. Temperatures inland could fall as low as minus 5 degrees. There will be a widespread sharp to severe ground frost, with icy stretches on untreated roads. Wintry showers of hail, sleet or even snow will affect western, northern and possibly eastern coastal counties, but further inland it will be mainly dry. SUNDAY will stay very cold and wintry with temperatures in low single figures at best, in a moderate to fresh northerly wind. There will be sunny spells, with further wintry showers mainly in northern, western and eastern coastal counties. Frost will be widespread and severe on SUNDAY NIGHT."
Quote from: mcivor88 on December 13, 2008, 12:06:23 PM
Enda Muldoon has broken a bone in his foot
Niall McCusker is in bed sick!!!!
Shamrocks are finished!!! :(
He's big enough and strong enough to run eound with the bed on his back.
;)
I think both will play alright.
There is news alright o the Derry thread that big Enda has broken an ankle - it would be a bad blow to Ballinderry if it were true.
yeh jus heard first hand that theres no way muldoon will be playing, mc cusker has been in bed all day with the flu, so he appears to be doubhtful!
Muldoon's foot is broken and he is definitely out. McCusker will play. It's a pity, but that is how the game goes. It can work both ways. It can be a motivating factor for the Ballinderry team, but it will be a huge loss either way. 15 against 15 no matter what at the throw in.
Nervous about this one.
Phelim Brady's can play ball on their day :P
I think Cross can win, and they are favourites, but I would still have serious respect for Ballinderry as they showed in the drawn game they have the quality that has been our trade mark, never quit. This is not something you can coach into lads, ye either have it or you don't. It will win you a lot more games than many think.
I hope more than anything it is as good a game as the last one and that the best team wins.
Any one know what happened to Enda ?
carrying a bed out of a cousins house and it fell on his foot apparently. Broke a bone in his foot.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 13, 2008, 08:42:18 PM
carrying a bed out of a cousins house and it fell on his foot apparently. Broke a bone in his foot.
Unbelievable !
heard it was a sofa. cant listen to these stories ;)
He fell off the back of a furniture van carrying a sofa.
Gutted for the big man. He has had a tough season with injuries and was back to his best. Also captain of the team.
Going to be a massive task now, but we must believe!
Quote from: tyrone exile on December 13, 2008, 08:45:53 PM
heard it was a sofa. cant listen to these stories ;)
Sofa-bed :P
A touch of the Canizares at the 2002 World Cup-dropped a bottle of aftershave on his foot and missed the whole thing!
Muldoon is a big loss to Ballinderry, can't see flu keeping McCusker out though!
Sorry for Big enda, civil big lad. Cross will win by about ten. Ballinderry wont get a ball around the middle of the field now at all. Only thing that will help them is Crossmaglen being over complacent.
I can still see ballinderry winning, it might take something like the loss of enda to really get them going!
Quote from: tonesfirstandlast on December 13, 2008, 09:25:42 PM
Sorry for Big enda, civil big lad. Cross will win by about ten. Ballinderry wont get a ball around the middle of the field now at all. Only thing that will help them is Crossmaglen being over complacent.
Easy on ! Ballinderry have a mighty side and Cross don't beat too many teams by 10.
Ballinderry will still give them crack, Muldoon or no Muldoon.
paddy Murray had a slate tile fall of his roof a week before the All Ireland club final, broke his foot and missed (although we lost) playing in an all ireland final as a Antrim man. not too many people can claim that
I've backed Cross to be wining first half and second, before the news of Muldoon, prices have dropped, Paddy Power must be watching the board. no frost today, will check with my friend in tempo
No Frost this morning but it was snowing 5 minutes ago.
Not lying thank god.
cold and christmassy was the reply i got :)
Any word of the team selections ?
Anyone else having problems with Tg4 online?
Ladbrokes were going 8/11 up until a few minutes ago - they've now changed to 4/7. The value has gone - Ballinderry at 5/8 isn't bad.
what radio stations this being played on?
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on December 14, 2008, 02:03:31 PM
Anyone else having problems with Tg4 online?
Carmen, is it on TG4 Beo?, had to adjust the setting options on the left. I have the audio streaming but the ideo is choppy.
I admire tg4 for their gaa coverage, but why did they put the camera facing the sun, almost unwatchable.
Francie class act! ::)
Sad to see Ballinderry diving - Wilkinson's dive was the same as Conway's last day out - obviously a tactic to get Cross players sent off - sad to see.
Yet another Derry player felled by an invisible stroke to the face.
This Cross team must be the masters of the dark arts.
it just took brian crowe two mins to book two players .comical
See TG4 highlighting the rows now with a blue circle! :D
The amount of people holding their faces in this game is disgusting
The playacting in this game is disgraceful. Fighting in the tunnel as they go in for halftime also
When did TG4 start broadcasting premiership soccer? >:(
That seemed a right auld scrap at the changing rooms !!!
Did you see Ballinderry's no 18 going down in slow motion ??? ;) ;) ;) This is ridiculous stuff.
Stand up and play football and stop all this auld play acting shite.
Jesus will they ever learn sending both teams down the narrow tunnell together! The Subs seem to get it started!
It seemed a bit mad alright
Ballinderry are doing a bit of it aye, but there's been a few times where genuine fouls/off the ball stuff have went unpunished by the referee. Looks to be giving Cross the run of it.
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on December 14, 2008, 03:08:33 PM
Jesus will they ever learn sending both teams down the narrow tunnell together! The Subs seem to get it started!
Sure they havta be at soemthing. Shocking poor game. Being destroyed by niggly wee incidents and playacting. Whatever ya think of referees, a game like that is almost impossible to control.
Donaldson's just been identified on TG4. Be a brave clatter of suspensions afterwards I think. Did anybody else notice someone in a Ballinderry coat holding up a programme in front of one of the cameras so they couldn't record the scrap? Newsline will be raging!
You'd expect Cross to go on and win it. They seem slightly the better side though were lucky enough to get 2 handy frees for crazy off the ball stuff by Ballinderry. The point that bounced over the bar was very fortunate as well. Hopefully we see a bit of football played in the second half.
No doubt Brian McGuckian has introduced the diving to the Shamrock set-up.
Let's hope we can have a better 2nd half than the first - Ballinderry seem intent on getting Cross down to 14 players as soon as possible - the big hoofs into the Ballinderry FF line are simply not working.
If Ballindery go out to play football in the 2nd half, they can win this game and I hope they do.
Anyone care to post latest scores unable to view / listen to the game online. Thanks.
Quote from: orangeman on December 14, 2008, 03:14:17 PM
Let's hope we can have a better 2nd half than the first - Ballinderry seem intent on getting Cross down to 15 players as soon as possible - the big hoofs into the Ballinderry FF line are simply not working.
If Ballindery go out to play football in the 2nd half, they can win this game and I hope they do.
Why? - have they got 16 on the pitch at the minute? I though they were having it a bit handy!
Cross 0-4 Ballinderry 0-1 at half time Aontroim.
6 -1 to Cross now, Bderry will do well to come back from this, game over I'd say, badly missing Muldoon
Thanks TAM / Glens - that's better - though I was hoping for a Ballinderry win - not looking likely - Muldoon will be gutted he missed the game i am sure as will all of Ballinderry.
Leve l now bleedin hell!!
1-3 to 6 points
A much better game this half
0-8 1-3
0-9, 1-3
Annoy Cross at your peril!
0-9, 1-4
0-10, 1-4
0-11, 1-4
They have played the far better football today. Definitely deserve the win
0-12, 1-4
Well done to cross
Cross were good value for their win, only one team in it in the second half.
Thoroughly deserved by Cross. Much the better side over the two games. Apart from that burst 2 or 3 minutes intot he second half, when they socred 1-2, Ballinderry only scored 2 other times. Cross were pretty much superior throughout the field. 7 Ulsters from their 13 Armagh titles is some going and you'd expect them to at least reach the All Ireland final.
Great to see Cross equal and surpass records of the past and great to be around to see probably the greatest club side ever.
Quote from: hardstation on December 14, 2008, 03:40:44 PM
How many high balls are they going to put in before they realise that they can't win them?
exactly. typical derry club team. get a keeper who can hoof the ball high up the middle and they think hes class >:(
the playacting in the first half was a disgrace too.
mccusker was the only man they had over the full match
Francie should've been sent off.
But off course "he's not normally that sorta player". ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Typically clinical. When Ballinderry threatened, they just simply upped the gears and outscored the Shamrocks 6-1 in the last quarter. Where do they get that hunger from?
Quote from: orangeman on December 14, 2008, 03:14:17 PM
Let's hope we can have a better 2nd half than the first - Ballinderry seem intent on getting Cross down to 14 players as soon as possible - the big hoofs into the Ballinderry FF line are simply not working.
If Ballindery go out to play football in the 2nd half, they can win this game and I hope they do.
The tactic of hoofing the ball in didn't work all day - it made a good Cross defence look even better and it made a good Ballinderry forward line look like pure shite.
But they never changed it - who did Ballinderry management think was vulnerable under the high ball ??? Francie, Mc Kewon, Donaldson ???
Was Brian Mc Guckin taken off ??
Overall Ballinderry played about 10 minutes football in the second half and they showed how good a team they could be - but in the end class told, and Cross were full value for their win.
I thought it might have been closer but Ballinderry will have no complaints. The best team won on the day.
Not the great game that we were all expecting, but Cross far better on the day. Referee favoured Cross I thought, and Francie lucky to stay on the field after throwing the head back. He knew rightly what he was at. However, the 'tackle' by the Cross CB on Devlin when neither had the ball I thought was worse. Running full suck into the broad of his back. Very dangerous.
The half time schmozzle was always gonna happen, sending the 2 teams and the subs down the same tunnel, when are the powers-that-be gonna realise how stupid this is!?
Enda would have made a difference, but he would not have swung the game in B'Derrys favour.
Congrats Cross, 7 Ulsters in reccent times sais it all.
Quote from: orangeman on December 14, 2008, 04:07:58 PM
Quote from: orangeman on December 14, 2008, 03:14:17 PM
Let's hope we can have a better 2nd half than the first - Ballinderry seem intent on getting Cross down to 14 players as soon as possible - the big hoofs into the Ballinderry FF line are simply not working.
If Ballindery go out to play football in the 2nd half, they can win this game and I hope they do.
The tactic of hoofing the ball in didn't work all day - it made a good Cross defence look even better and it made a good Ballinderry forward line look like pure shite.
But they never changed it - who did Ballinderry management think was vulnerable under the high ball ??? Francie, Mc Kewon, Donaldson ???
Was Brian Mc Guckin taken off ??
Overall Ballinderry played about 10 minutes football in the second half and they showed how good a team they could be - but in the end class told, and Cross were full value for their win.
I thought it might have been closer but Ballinderry will have no complaints. The best team won on the day.
Didn't see the match but picked up some of the second half on the radio. Brian Canavan was saying how the Ballinderry route 1 was paying dividends!!
Quote from: gorm agus bui on December 14, 2008, 04:13:31 PM
Quote from: orangeman on December 14, 2008, 04:07:58 PM
Quote from: orangeman on December 14, 2008, 03:14:17 PM
Let's hope we can have a better 2nd half than the first - Ballinderry seem intent on getting Cross down to 14 players as soon as possible - the big hoofs into the Ballinderry FF line are simply not working.
If Ballindery go out to play football in the 2nd half, they can win this game and I hope they do.
The tactic of hoofing the ball in didn't work all day - it made a good Cross defence look even better and it made a good Ballinderry forward line look like pure shite.
But they never changed it - who did Ballinderry management think was vulnerable under the high ball ??? Francie, Mc Kewon, Donaldson ???
Was Brian Mc Guckin taken off ??
Overall Ballinderry played about 10 minutes football in the second half and they showed how good a team they could be - but in the end class told, and Cross were full value for their win.
I thought it might have been closer but Ballinderry will have no complaints. The best team won on the day.
Didn't see the match but picked up some of the second half on the radio. Brian Canavan was saying how the Ballinderry route 1 was paying dividends!!
Fair play to Brian - I wonder what he'll say when he actually watches the game - is it the BBC he works for ???
He must have been watching a different game.
Disgraceful carry on from Ballinderry in the first half, fair play to Crowe who wasn't having any of it and give them what they deserved - nathin. Muldoon was obviously a huge loss but Cross were clearly superior.
Ballyinderry ones seemed to have chip on their shoulder,very niggly and trying to get a dirty dig in anytime they cud.James Conway was acting the arsehole for the entire game and gave away from very petty fouls,also M Bell(no18 i think) and D Bell(no2) were two c*@#s.B'derry simply do not have the discipline to beat Cross over an entire game.Cross very professional in their behaviour,all that matters is that they win.Ballyinderry and Derry ones in general are more interested in lookin like the hard man.B'derry kept kickin high balls and it was never goin to work.Cross were impressive,they had to many aces,too many ways to attack,and all their subs made contributions.
Absolutely delighted Ballinderry were beaten. Some shameful behaviour over the 2 games.
Well done Cross. Played some lovely football in the 2nd half.
p.s. Francie should have walked.
Quote from: wherefromreferee? on December 14, 2008, 04:10:27 PM
The half time schmozzle was always gonna happen, sending the 2 teams and the subs down the same tunnel, when are the powers-that-be gonna realise how stupid this is!?
the ulster council have learnt nothing from the stewartstown/ballymacnab row.
Quote from: clarshack on December 14, 2008, 05:24:28 PM
Quote from: wherefromreferee? on December 14, 2008, 04:10:27 PM
The half time schmozzle was always gonna happen, sending the 2 teams and the subs down the same tunnel, when are the powers-that-be gonna realise how stupid this is!?
the ulster council have learnt nothing from the stewartstown/ballymacnab row.
It was funny seeing Cuthbert Donnelly who must have got himself in the environs of the row, running as fast as he could to get out of the row.
Will there be trouble for both clubs arising out of this ?
One of the worst games of football i've witnessed at this level for a time. Its hard to believe that the replay had less quality than the first game. Niggly, punch-ups,off the field scuffles and little in the way of good football. Again today's game showed everything that was bad about Ulster football. Really a new low, if thats possible when you consider the scenes after the tyrone county football. If any other final had that sort of shite in it , people would be up in arms. A disgrace quite frankly.
Can't see anyone quaking in their boots facing Cross. Once you don't let them physically initimidate you , you're halfway there.
One of the better games of football i've witnessed at this level in mid-December. Its hard to believe that the replay had leven more quality than the first game. Niggly, punch-ups,off the field scuffles and good football, all you'd want for a club final. Again today's game showed everything that was good about Ulster football. Really a new high, if thats possible when you consider the Sams arriving to the Tyrone county football. If any other final had that sort of greatness in it , people would be orgasmic. A delight quite frankly.
Can see everyone quaking in their boots facing Cross. Once you don't let them turn up , you're halfway there.
T'would be the response I'd expect O Neill from an infant like yourself and another defender of the faith up North. Says it all really.
It was poor stuff lads, the first half in particular was woeful though in fairness there was fine scores and some good football played in the second half. Cross will be very hard to beat and are an amazing team, so hats off to them, still a poor advertisment for football though.
Quote from: INDIANA on December 14, 2008, 06:17:10 PM
T'would be the response I'd expect O Neill from an infant like yourself and another defender of the faith up North. Says it all really.
It's called pitching to the required level.
Now, wipe your chin.
Absolutely delighted for Donal and all the lads. This was always going to be a tight, scrappy game and given the comments from Kevin mcGuckian during the week, it was clear that Ballinderry were more interested in shoving the chest out than playing ball. The one thing you can do to us all day is hit us. We have been hit fairly and unfairly too many times for it to be a winning tactic for a team against us. The Ballinderry showed that football is the best way to have any purchase against us, because if you make it a fight, there is only one winner.
Francie was lucky, but so were a few others. We are no angels, but some of the sly digs, off the ball shit from Ballinderry showed a very bad side to them. They are too good of a team to have to rely on that. As for the playacting, it was a disgrace and you would have thought after the controversy from the last game there would have been a bit of common sense shown.
12-13 points win winter football, as has been shown over and over again. We are the best team in the business generally for keeping teams below that threshold.
The one thing I am most pleased about over the two games is how the younger players have stepped up to the mark. Last day out it was David McKenna, Mickey Mac and John Murtagh. Today it was the later 2, Jamie Clark, and Paul Mckeown. Personally I am delighted for Paul. I spoke to him during the week and he was doubtful. Mammy BC told me he couldn't even throw scraps in the rubbish. He gave an exhibition today of energy and covering that was years above his 21 years. It must be having moved in with the missus!!!! Young Jamie showed that he has the talent to give life after Oisin. Skinny McKeown and Paul Kernan are more than able replacements long term for JD and Francie. Your man on TG4 couldn't get over how many young lads were able to slot in. Kyle Carragher played very well when he came in, as did Tony K. Johnny Hanratty tried hard, but in fairness to him McCusker is a tough customer. I must head up over he holidays and give him a tip or two :P
I also thought it was a lovely touch by TG4 to have The Magnificent Seven as the follow up programme to the game ;D
Indiana, you are entitled to your opinion, but we are not here to please the Dublin public. Trust me we don't expect anyone to be "quaking in their boots" and we will give everyone of them the credit and respect they deserve. St Vincents caught us with 2 sucker goals last year when we were missing our full back. That will not happen again. we will not look beyond the nest game, something maybe the people following the Crokes should do.
Good to see a range of opinions - I thought Cross were immense today - how anybody can say that the other teams won't be afraid of taking on Cross is stretching it a bit - look at their record. If you looked at it and studied it, yu'd shite yourself - I know I would.
Quote from: AFS on December 14, 2008, 06:26:03 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on December 14, 2008, 06:03:56 PM
Can't see anyone quaking in their boots facing Cross. Once you don't let them physically initimidate you , you're halfway there.
Aye, like Ballinderry tried today? ::)
You really haven't a clue.
Of course he has a clue: 'Culchies bad, Ulster worst, Leinster good, Dublin best'
It's just the
wrong clue ;)
Quote from: INDIANA on December 14, 2008, 06:03:56 PM
One of the worst games of football I've witnessed at this level for a time. Its hard to believe that the replay had less quality than the first game. Niggly, punch-ups,off the field scuffles and little in the way of good football. Again today's game showed everything that was bad about Ulster football. Really a new low, if thats possible when you consider the scenes after the tyrone county football. If any other final had that sort of shite in it , people would be up in arms. A disgrace quite frankly.
Can't see anyone quaking in their boots facing Cross. Once you don't let them physically initimidate you , you're halfway there.
You see my friend, that is where the Teams in Armagh this last 13 years and teams throughout Ireland have made that mistake!
Think BC was right, Kilmacud have the All-Ireland sown up sure ::) You got to love some of the "southerners mentality!, What sort of bloody game do you expect in December?
Poor tactics and poor form from Ballinderry today hurling themselves to the ground at every opportunity. Looking at Cross, its really hard to see who will stop them this year. The talent Donal Murtagh has at his disposal is frightening!
Balinderry are systematic of the Derry football team, gifted but can't do it when they have to. Most of the Ulster teams simply don't believe they can beat Crossmaglen. Speed and agility beats Crossmaglen, not taking them on physically. Speed and agilility was how st vincents beat them last year, not 2 sucker goals or the loss of a full back who is slow anyway. You can't play Cross at their own game and expect to win. Yet every single Ulster club team does this. Cross are a fine team, but its quite extraordinary the lack of ability of some of the coaching staff from the other Ulster club teams that despite watching all the videos of Cross matches, that the best conclusion they can come up with is to play the exact same style of football against them .Mindboggling.
I think its wide open quite frankly.
Quote from: INDIANA on December 14, 2008, 06:34:40 PM
Balinderry are systematic of the Derry football team, gifted but can't do it when they have to. Most of the Ulster teams simply don't believe they can beat Crossmaglen. Speed and agility beats Crossmaglen, not taking them on physically. Speed and agilility was how st vincents beat them last year, not 2 sucker goals or the loss of a full back who is slow anyway. You can't play Cross at their own game and expect to win. Yet every single Ulster club team does this. Cross are a fine team, but its quite extraordinary the lack of ability of some of the coaching staff from the other Ulster club teams that despite watching all the videos of Cross matches, that the best conclusion they can come up with is to play the exact same style of football against them .Mindboggling.
I think its wide open quite frankly.
And what would you suggest o great one? :o
Indiana do you remember the two goals??? Both came from high balls into the square, one were Paul Kernan misjudged it the other the FF fielded well. I have no doubt in my mind that had Francie been playing neither goals would have been scored.
It is wide open, no one is suggesting that Cross are home a hack, it is you who is playing the mind games. Trust me they don't work. too many turns in the road before now to get caught up in it. The 22nd of February is all that is on the horizon at this minute in time.
Cross haven't won so many titles being a poor side - they're are probably the best EVER club side.
It's no shame that Ballinderry, a fine footballing team, didn't beat them today. Yes I thought the tactics were wrong - kicking high balls for one - but they were robbed of one of Ireland's best footballing talents for today's match. I thought they were wrong even trying to rough up Cross - there's usually only one winner when that happens -
It's quite simple really - they're an awesome team with an awesome panel of players - most good teams have 11 or 12 really good players - Cross have 22 and can interchange without a problem as evidenced today.
I doubt it BC Gilroy is 5 inches taller than francie he wouldn't have got near him in the air. Paul Kernan was idenitified as suspect beforehand, as a result he was isolated and you know the rest.
I don't dispute Cross's legacy or talent. But every team has weaknesses. Cross have massive physical power and strength, but the downside is that they aren't as fast as they could be. They aren't slow but they aren't electric. So why in God's creation would you use a slow build up and play them down the middle. Staggering. To beat Cross you tear up the gameplan and come up with something different and you MIGHT beat them. You have absolutely no chance playing the same style against them because you will lose. I'm not saying Vincents are geniuses, but they had a specific gameplan going into the game and they implemented it to a tee. And they still only won by a few points. At least they tried somthing different like Portlaoise did a few years back.
If I was a Balinderry fan I'd be heartbroken with the coaching staff and I would simply ask them, How in God's creation after watching all the videos that the best you could come up with was to play exactly the same way, despite seeing the gameplan fail miserably a few weeks back.
Quote from: INDIANA on December 14, 2008, 06:34:40 PM
Balinderry are systematic of the Derry football team, gifted but can't do it when they have to. Most of the Ulster teams simply don't believe they can beat Crossmaglen. Speed and agility beats Crossmaglen, not taking them on physically. Speed and agilility was how st vincents beat them last year, not 2 sucker goals or the loss of a full back who is slow anyway. You can't play Cross at their own game and expect to win. Yet every single Ulster club team does this. Cross are a fine team, but its quite extraordinary the lack of ability of some of the coaching staff from the other Ulster club teams that despite watching all the videos of Cross matches, that the best conclusion they can come up with is to play the exact same style of football against them .Mindboggling.
I think its wide open quite frankly.
Its nonsense to suggest that Ballinderry are a more gifted footballing side by Cross but were just physically intimidated. Cross won Ulster because they have more quality footballers throughout their team and squad than any other side in Ulster, simple as that. Cross are perfectly adept at playing the game at pace and to be honest, if the Ulster was played during the Summer, I think they'd be even further ahead.
As for this being the worst at this level, I didn't see the Munster final last week but it didn't exactly sound like a classic.
Francie and JD might not be the quickest but I can assure you that there are few quicker than Paul and Skinny McKeown and Paul and Aaron are no slouches either. The big difference between Cross and most teams is not the individual players but how no matter who plays in what position, they know what is expected of them for the cause of the team. When push comes to shove they are disciplined in how they defend, a clear example was the time Tony Mac chased a player down in the second half. As the Ballinderry player was going down for a loose ball Tony stayed up, knowing that if he went in it was an easy enough free. He put enough pressure on the player for him to spill it and the ball popped up to T. That coolness is throughout the team and is the difference between us and many others.
I agree that speed will impact on any team and their ability to cope with it is vital on how the game turns out. It wasn't speed that won it for Vincents last year, so that knocks you argument out of the water. As for Gilroy being 5 inches taller than Francie, I can guarantee that he wouldn't have won the balls he did if Francie had been on him, as was shown in the 2nd half when Francie came on and Vincents hung on by the tips of their finger nails to win.
Tacadoir- I never said Balinderry were more gifted than Cross- read my post. And secondly neither Drom nor the Clare team were or are genuine All-Ireland contenders. Fantastic achevement for Drom ,but they haven't a hope against Cross, as a result in the context of the all-ireland championship the munster final was a bit inconsequential. I don;t agree Cross would be further ahead in Summer, I think they'd struggle to be honest. But the championship isn;t played in summer so its a pointless argument.
We'll agree to disagree BC but I don't think Francie would get near Gilroy in the air. We'll never find out though ;). But it was speed that won Vincents that game BC. Believe me I've watched the video often enough, we have to take what we can get Cross are there every year. I'm not saying speed alone will beat them but there is no point in trying to go through guys 2 stone heavier than you, far more effective to try and go around them.
QuoteFantastic achevement for Drom ,but they haven't a hope against Cross,
Jesus Indiana you have a go off the Ulster lads for being arrogant at times and then you come out with this. It might have slipped your mind but Drom beat Nemo and they are a very hard team to beat. They have a lot of Limerick or ex-Limerick seniors, are an experienced team and play to a very strict game plan. It won't be a pretty game and I wouldn't back Drom myself but to say they haven't a hope is wrong and is the type of ill-informed arrogance that you have accused others of.
Too true Zulu, I have seen a few of the Limerick teams at first hand and they played very organised, systematic football, which is hard to break down. Drum are a strong team with a sprinkling of experienced players. With nothing to lose, they will be hard to beat and they have serious belief in themselves. You don't get to an AI semi by being a poor team.
Didn't get to see the game today but from was fully expecting Cross to win - Ballinderry got a lot of lucky breaks the first day and weren't likely to get the same breaks again. Ultimately they never had the power up front to beat Cross. Cross continue to fascinate. They are a case study in sporting success and team play. Some people (e.g. Indiana) just don't 'get' them and fail to understand their mentality. They are a team in the true sense of the word and when you have a squad of players all on the same wavelength and playing for the common good of the team, allied with a lot of quality, then you are a very difficult proposition to beat. It's alright saying speed and agility and this game plan or that will beat them, but how many teams out there at club level possess sufficient skill, speed, know how and team play to actually do it? Crokes might, but who would bet against Cross?
Zulu, how much money are you putting on Drom? I think you'll take my point. If they could only score 0-6 against the clare champions. They'll score about 0-2 against Cross.
I actually don't think Crokes would beat Cross but I think Corofin could. In my view they have the players to cause Cross a lot of problems at least. and its nothing to do with not getting Cross, but a lot of the Ulster club teams don't give themselves any chance of winning. For all thats said about Leinster football , a lot of which is true Cross haven't beaten Leinster opposition for a while. Not because Leinster football is a better standard but simply because they play a different style of football and give themselves a chance. a lot of the Ulster teams don't do that.
Indiana Drom beat Kilmurry who only lost to Ballina by a point two years ago in the AI semi final and Kilmurry should have been beaten in that years Munster final. So the point is Munster club football is very strong and I can assure you Kilmurry are one of the country's best club sides. If Drom were playing anyone but Cross I'd give them a very good chance, like I said I wouldn't put money on them myself but to say they have no chance is wrong, especially since it is based on nothing more than the fact the are a Limerick football team.
Zulu i've seen them twice this year, I've relations in Limerick and I know the scene down there inside out. They don't have the firepower to beat Cross. Once Buckley and Reidy are marked they won't put up a winning score. They'll do well defensively but Cross will beat them and Drom will struggle to score from play. They've already achieved so much Drom, but this is a different level.
you have to have the players and Drom don't in my view. Portlaoise in 05 did and Vincents did earlier this year. Corofin might not sure the rest do. Balinderry had the players but had neither the gameplan nor belief to do the job.
Well done Cross. Thoroughly deserved.
It might not have been pretty at times, but class always rises to the top. The 2 piees of play that epitomised the Cross ethos were Paul McKeown's point, and Aaron's run for Kyle Carragher's point. Mickey Mac was immense again today, I always thought when he was playing underage (we're about the same age) that he could be Monkey's successor, and he is really in form at the minute.
Would like to have seen ballinderry win but has to be said cross possibly best club team from the start of all ireland club series well done to them they will not be easy beay good luck to them.mwould love the two mc entees playing for my club team pure class.
The McEntees are legends of the game. They're been central to anything Armagh or Cross have achieved over the years. Seriously underrated by those outside of the province.
The twins are as good as I have seen - but everything they do is so understated. They just get on with it - no big fuss - no looking for praise or glory.
As O'Neill says, their contribution is under rated by a lot of people.
Two legends of the game.
Seem modest good guys into the bargain.
Congratulations to Crossmaglen, in my opinion, much the better team over the two games and the their achievemnents bely belief. Their fitness, skill and determination should be patented.
As a "lose" Ballinderry/ Derry supporter, I have to admit that I was less than emamoured at Darren's Conways theatricals in the first game but was surprised at the publicity it got in the national media, never mind on here. However, it must be pointed out that he never hurt anyone physically.
Hence, my surprise, at how acceptable was the violence of Francie Bellew in today's game. He intended to cause physical damage to Brian McGuickian and indeed if it had happened in public, he would have been arrested. Strange how the public view these things.
Would also agree that the McEntees have been great for Gaelic football over the past number of years. As you say, they seem very modest lads. Personally i thought that both of them had quiet games today by their standard and also thought that John was quite lucky not to get a red card with an elbow to a Ballinderry players face towards trhe end of the first half.
Quote from: seamusthebard on December 14, 2008, 11:39:22 PM
Congratulations to Crossmaglen, in my opinion, much the better team over the two games and the their achievemnents bely belief. Their fitness, skill and determination should be patented.
As a "lose" Ballinderry/ Derry supporter, I have to admit that I was less than emamoured at Darren's Conways theatricals in the first game but was surprised at the publicity it got in the national media, never mind on here. However, it must be pointed out that he never hurt anyone physically.
Hence, my surprise, at how acceptable was the violence of Francie Bellew in today's game. He intended to cause physical damage to Brian McGuickian and indeed if it had happened in public, he would have been arrested. Strange how the public view these things.
Maybe that's why Crowe leaned towards Cross today ?
What were your own views on Bellew's behavior Orangeman and did you think that he should have been swent off.
Quote from: orangeman on December 14, 2008, 11:47:56 PM
Maybe that's why Crowe leaned towards Cross today ?
Nope, Brian Crowe is definitely from Cavan.
Lean escaped from Palace Barracks and that was the start of the end of it.
Quote from: drici on December 15, 2008, 12:03:04 AM
Quote from: orangeman on December 14, 2008, 11:47:56 PM
Maybe that's why Crowe leaned towards Cross today ?
Nope, Brian Crowe is definitely from Cavan.
Lean escaped from Palace Barracks and that was the start of the end of it.
What the fcuk are you on? ??? ??? ???
Quote from: seamusthebard on December 14, 2008, 11:59:34 PM
What were your own views on Bellew's behavior Orangeman and did you think that he should have been swent off.
Francie knew what he was at and was lucky not to have been sent off. Simpe as that.
Quote from: orangeman on December 15, 2008, 12:22:26 AM
Quote from: seamusthebard on December 14, 2008, 11:59:34 PM
What were your own views on Bellew's behavior Orangeman and did you think that he should have been swent off.
Francie knew what he was at and was lucky not to have been sent off. Simpe as that.
Was lucky! Either he was guilty or he wasn't. You are sitting on the fence. Which in your opinion was the biggest offence- Bellew's today or Conway's the first game?
Quote from: hardstation on December 15, 2008, 12:33:18 AM
It was a pure act of thuggery from Bellew, today. He's a sound lad and it most certainly isn't his form to intend to cause injury to other players, so, I'm glad Brian Crowe took this into consideration and let him away with it. Francie is a brave, tough and fair player. Not a streak of dirt in him. I just hope he forgets the horrible thing that came over him today and doesn't do it again.
;D ;D ;D
Think I detect the sarcasm Hardstation - Micky Linden agrees with you as well! ;D ;D
Mickey Linden anyone ? Not only are Cavan poor at football at the moment, but there referees are also poor.
To be honest i thought today it would have been an injustice if cross hadnt have won today. Saying that the behaviour from both sets of teams was abosolutely disgraceful, tactics or not, there is no place for that type of thuggery and appaling behaviour that went on. Francie, althogh he didnt make contact was lucky to stay on the pitch. The ballinderry number 14 is a downright thug. He was more interested in fighting like a 14 year old, rather than playing the game. One incident in particular was when ballinderry won the ball, he passed it off n then felt the need to pull the cross lad down. to me it just doesnt make sense. i agree also with the comments about the ref not being too bad. That game woud have been impossible to control and if he had blown for every free we would all still be sat watching it now. Makes me glad that im a hurer first after watching that. Anyway, congrats to cross and all the best in feb.
congratulations to cross on their win today, the happiest man must be francie for being on the pitch at full time
Quote from: ONeill on December 14, 2008, 06:10:31 PM
One of the better games of football i've witnessed at this level in mid-December. Its hard to believe that the replay had leven more quality than the first game. Niggly, punch-ups,off the field scuffles and good football, all you'd want for a club final. Again today's game showed everything that was good about Ulster football. Really a new high, if thats possible when you consider the Sams arriving to the Tyrone county football. If any other final had that sort of greatness in it , people would be orgasmic. A delight quite frankly.
Can see everyone quaking in their boots facing Cross. Once you don't let them turn up , you're halfway there.
QuoteOne of the worst games of football i've witnessed at this level for a time. Its hard to believe that the replay had less quality than the first game. Niggly, punch-ups,off the field scuffles and little in the way of good football. Again today's game showed everything that was bad about Ulster football. Really a new low, if thats possible when you consider the scenes after the tyrone county football. If any other final had that sort of shite in it , people would be up in arms. A disgrace quite frankly.
Can't see anyone quaking in their boots facing Cross. Once you don't let them physically initimidate you , you're halfway there.
its hard to believe you where both watching the same match
Quote from: bredaghgael86 on December 15, 2008, 01:17:56 AM
To be honest i thought today it would have been an injustice if cross hadnt have won today. Saying that the behaviour from both sets of teams was abosolutely disgraceful, tactics or not, there is no place for that type of thuggery and appaling behaviour that went on. Francie, althogh he didnt make contact was lucky to stay on the pitch. The ballinderry number 14 is a downright thug. He was more interested in fighting like a 14 year old, rather than playing the game. One incident in particular was when ballinderry won the ball, he passed it off n then felt the need to pull the cross lad down. to me it just doesnt make sense. i agree also with the comments about the ref not being too bad. That game woud have been impossible to control and if he had blown for every free we would all still be sat watching it now. Makes me glad that im a hurer first after watching that. Anyway, congrats to cross and all the best in feb.
Have to disagree with that. Big Niall is a hardy boy, not a dirty player. That time you are referring to the Cross defender went to check his run then Niall threw him to the ground, thought he was unlucky with that.
All in all I thought it was a dull enough affair but enjoyable to watch at times. Cross deserve alot of recognition for their achievments they are machines!
It was a game of 2 halves in my opinion. First half was shite and full of bad tackles. In second half Cross came out to play football and won it well. Ballinderry shooting let them down big time and Bellew should have been sent off in the first half. McConville is still a class act.
Decent enough game for this time of year.
Suprised at Ballinderry's tactics of constantly pumping the high ball in to the FF line.
Seemed as though they forgot they were playing Cross & gobbled up the majority of balls that went in
Yet again the diving from Ballinderry was embarassing. They tried to rough up Cross, but if they got touched they went down like they were shot.
Francie was lucky not to walk, but the referee's decision may have been influenced by the way Mc Guckin went down.
Mc Conville had a very good 2nd half.
Big Enda was a big loss as Mc Kenna caught some great ball which gave Cross a platform to build on
BTW, did the cameras catch the row at half time? I know one main camera caught bits of it, but if there is any 'real' evidence the Ulster Council will destroy them
Quote from: full back on December 15, 2008, 08:53:44 AM
Decent enough game for this time of year.
Suprised at Ballinderry's tactics of constantly pumping the high ball in to the FF line.
Seemed as though they forgot they were playing Cross & gobbled up the majority of balls that went in
Yet again the diving from Ballinderry was embarassing. They tried to rough up Cross, but if they got touched they went down like they were shot.
Francie was lucky not to walk, but the referee's decision may have been influenced by the way Mc Guckin went down.
Mc Conville had a very good 2nd half.
Big Enda was a big loss as Mc Kenna caught some great ball which gave Cross a platform to build on
BTW, did the cameras catch the row at half time? I know one main camera caught bits of it, but if there is any 'real' evidence the Ulster Council will destroy them
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There's a picture in the IN this morning catching a few protaganists in the act but if the BBC have it, we can expect an airing of it tonight at around 6.50pm.
FROM BBC WEBSITE - PITY THEY HAVE NOTHING POSITIVE TO SAY ABOUT THE GAME ITSELF PLAYED ON 14TH DECEMBER
Crossmaglen 0-12 1-4 Ballinderry
David McKenna is bottled up by Ballinderry challenges at Enniskillen
Crossmaglen won their third successive AIB Ulster Club title as they defeated Ballinderry in a bad-tempered replay.
An awful first half of football was topped off by a mass brawl in the tunnel as the players trudged off with Crossmaglen leading 0-4 to 0-1.
Crossmaglen then moved five ahead but James Bateston's goal helped Ballinderry draw level.
But Cross fought back to regain control and as the football improved massively, they ran out deserving winners.
Ballinderry went into the match hampered by the absence of Enda Muldoon who was ruled out after suffering a broken bone in his foot while lifting a sofa.
James Conway battled manfully to keep Ballinderry going in midfield but apart from a brief spell after half-time, Crossmaglen always looked in control.
Kevin Moss McGuckin came into Ballinderry side while there were also changes in the Crossmaglen line-up with Stephen Kernan, Johnny Murtagh and youngster Jamie Clarke all brought in.
Minor Clarke hit the opening score in the third minute and Oisin McConville quickly doubled Cross' advantage.
But old scores from the drawn game were being settled early on and television replays indicated that Francie Bellew was lucky to stay on the pitch after he had swung his head back at Brian McGuckin and made contact.
Referee Brian Crowe and his officials would have needed eyes in the backs of theirs heads to have kept track of the off-the-ball stuff.
There were also reports of scuffles in the crowd between rival supporters during the game.
Conleith Gilligan opened Ballinderry's account in the ninth minute but a fine Michael McNamee score quickly restored the two-point margin.
There were no scores between the 11th and 29th minutes as the match degenerated into a dreadful spectacle of pulling, dragging and late hits.
Crossmaglen skipper John Donaldson lifts the Seamus McFerran Cup
McConville ended the scoring drought a minute before the break which put Crossmaglen 0-4 to 0-1.
The battle of Brewster then kicked off in unseemly fashion in the tunnel as personnel from both camps got involved with punches flailing in all directions.
TV replays didn't indicate the precise culprits but it looked decidedly ugly and the Ulster Council will surely have to investigate the scenes.
Thankfully, order was restored by the start of the second half as both sides resolved to play a little football.
McConville nudged Cross four ahead and man-of-the-match Paul McKeown then stormed upfield to kick over a point after a move started by his own interception back in defence.
Ballinderry's sole period of dominance then came as scores from Gilligan and James Conway were followed by James Bateson's levelling goal on 36 minutes.
Conway's great catch in midfield started the move which led to the three-pointer with Bateson squeezing the ball under Paul Hearty after Michael Bell's storming run.
At that stage questions were being asked of Cross but inevitably they were able to respond.
A typically spectacular Michael McNamee point put the holders ahead again and Cross were three ahead once more by the 45th minute after further points from Aaron Kernan and Murtagh.
Martin Harney's point gave Ballinderry hope but lively substitute Kyle Carragher then marked his introduction with a superb score from an acute angle.
With John Donaldson and David McKenna standing out in the middle third of the field, Cross dominated the closing stages.
McConville's insurance score put Cross four ahead on 57 minutes and he was content to tap a penalty over the bar in injury-time after Carragher had been hauled down.
The victory earns Crossmaglen an All-Ireland semi-final meeting with Limerick side Dromcollogher-Broadford at Longford on Saturday 21 February.
Cross fully deserved victory yesterday, the old war horses JD, Bellew, etc solid up the middle, the young Gasons round Mc Conville taking scores, they will be hard to stop. Had a conversation in the pub last night about cross, and how they would put it up to the majority of county teams round ireland anyone agree?
Good luck cross for the rest of the campaign!
f**k the BBC are a shower of bastards, if it had been linfield and the Glens, and the same happened, nothing would have been mentioned
Quote from: Onion Bag on December 15, 2008, 09:35:39 AM
f**k the BBC are a shower of b**tards, if it had been linfield and the Glens, and the same happened, nothing would have been mentioned
It would have been heralded as a classic, given the commitment by both sides etc etc etc.
If it was caught on camera, and if the Ulster Council or whoever intervene, and should suspensions be handed out, does that mean the culprits miss the next match in the All Irelands series. Realise that there is a lot of 'ifs'
Quote from: wherefromreferee? on December 15, 2008, 09:46:45 AM
If it was caught on camera, and if the Ulster Council or whoever intervene, and should suspensions be handed out, does that mean the culprits miss the next match in the All Irelands series. Realise that there is a lot of 'ifs'
Yes would be the answer assuming they're from Cross.
when the row broke out did anyone see the person from ballinderry preventing a photographer from taking pictures. this fella could be in a bit of bother as the same thing happened in our row against ballymacnab at casement. the photographer at that time wanted to take things further citing loss of earnings as his employer only wanted pictures of the row but he didnt have any as he had been prevented from doing his job. it was finally sorted out in the end but it took a long time for the photographer to come around.
Loss of earnings, hes lucky he didnt loose his teeth, camera the whole lot
Has anyone any first hand accounts of what actually happened? How did it start?
Quote from: clarshack on December 15, 2008, 10:14:19 AM
when the row broke out did anyone see the person from ballinderry preventing a photographer from taking pictures. this fella could be in a bit of bother as the same thing happened in our row against ballymacnab at casement. the photographer at that time wanted to take things further citing loss of earnings as his employer only wanted pictures of the row but he didnt have any as he had been prevented from doing his job. it was finally sorted out in the end but it took a long time for the photographer to come around.
How much did he have to get ?
Quote from: SidelineKick on December 15, 2008, 10:28:28 AM
Has anyone any first hand accounts of what actually happened? How did it start?
I dont think anyone will know unless the cross and b'derry players and mentors, the cameras didnt really show much, id say it was a few slaps and pushing and that was it, The bbc have made it out to be an absolute riot
Quote from: SidelineKick on December 15, 2008, 10:28:28 AM
Has anyone any first hand accounts of what actually happened? How did it start?
Apparently the big drummer in the band lifted his arm to strike trhe drum and Darren Conway fell like a stone and francie Bellew threw his head back to avoid being hit by the trombone player and connected with Brian Mcguckian's teeth. He was very distraught at doing this but Crowe {the B@@tard] consoled him and told him it was just an accident and that everyone would understand that a player like Francie wouldn't do such a trhing. Does Bellaghy people remember that b@@tard Crowe doing us out of an Ulster club title and coincidently it was against his good friends Crossmaglen.
Did Anyone else notice a number of the Cross players cracking open the bottles of Club Energise yesterday right before the presentation was being made?
Am I reading too much into this? ???
Quote from: tonesfirstandlast on December 15, 2008, 10:46:33 AM
Quote from: SidelineKick on December 15, 2008, 10:28:28 AM
Has anyone any first hand accounts of what actually happened? How did it start?
Apparently the big drummer in the band lifted his arm to strike trhe drum and Darren Conway fell like a stone and francie Bellew threw his head back to avoid being hit by the trombone player and connected with Brian Mcguckian's teeth. He was very distraught at doing this but Crowe {the B@@tard] consoled him and told him it was just an accident and that everyone would understand that a player like Francie wouldn't do such a trhing. Does Bellaghy people remember that b@@tard Crowe doing us out of an Ulster club title and coincidently it was against his good friends Crossmaglen.
Now come on tones, it wasn the ref that bet BD, basically cross bullied BD, they simply had to answer...far and away deservin winners in my eyes
Quote from: tonesfirstandlast on December 15, 2008, 10:46:33 AM
Quote from: SidelineKick on December 15, 2008, 10:28:28 AM
Has anyone any first hand accounts of what actually happened? How did it start?
Apparently the big drummer in the band lifted his arm to strike trhe drum and Darren Conway fell like a stone and francie Bellew threw his head back to avoid being hit by the trombone player and connected with Brian Mcguckian's teeth. He was very distraught at doing this but Crowe {the B@@tard] consoled him and told him it was just an accident and that everyone would understand that a player like Francie wouldn't do such a trhing. Does Bellaghy people remember that b@@tard Crowe doing us out of an Ulster club title and coincidently it was against his good friends Crossmaglen.
:D :D
What a gracious loser..........
Quote from: Joxer on December 15, 2008, 10:49:29 AM
Did Anyone else notice a number of the Cross players cracking open the bottles of Club Energise yesterday right before the presentation was being made?
Am I reading too much into this? ???
I think you are Joxer,
Hmmm I dont knnow OB, looking here at the pics again, Looks like number 21 is blatently showing it off,
Anyone heard or have first hand knowledge of what happened at half time?
Quote from: Joxer on December 15, 2008, 10:49:29 AM
Did Anyone else notice a number of the Cross players cracking open the bottles of Club Energise yesterday right before the presentation was being made?
Am I reading too much into this? ???
i think your right. Watch the guy next to Donalsdson he is holding his up as if it was the trophy he was just presented with.
I heard an account myself but it involves naming certain players and I ain't prepared to do that til I hear more. But X got hit by Y on the way up the path, Y ran after X and then it kicked off, where A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I,J,K,L,M,N,O,P,Q,R,S,T,U,V,W and Z got involved.
Quote from: SidelineKick on December 15, 2008, 11:05:05 AM
I heard an account myself but it involves naming certain players and I ain't prepared to do that til I hear more. But X got hit by Y on the way up the path, Y ran after X and then it kicked off, where A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I,J,K,L,M,N,O,P,Q,R,S,T,U,V,W and Z got involved.
Sounds about right, that was the way i heard it
Quote from: SidelineKick on December 15, 2008, 11:05:05 AM
I heard an account myself but it involves naming certain players and I ain't prepared to do that til I hear more. But X got hit by Y on the way up the path, Y ran after X and then it kicked off, where A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I,J,K,L,M,N,O,P,Q,R,S,T,U,V,W and Z got involved.
Is 'X' from Ballinderry or Crossmaglen? ;D
X is from Cross :o
Y is ALSO from Cross!!! (Y is actually from Ballinderry, and hadn't been playing when this happened, i.e. he was a sub)
I'm actually looking at my original story too and it makes no sense ::)
X got hit by Y, X then ran after Y, not Y running after X. For Y to run after X, Y would have been hit in the first instance by X :D
Quote from: clarshack on December 15, 2008, 10:14:19 AM
when the row broke out did anyone see the person from ballinderry preventing a photographer from taking pictures. this fella could be in a bit of bother as the same thing happened in our row against ballymacnab at casement. the photographer at that time wanted to take things further citing loss of earnings as his employer only wanted pictures of the row but he didnt have any as he had been prevented from doing his job. it was finally sorted out in the end but it took a long time for the photographer to come around.
Yep I saw that and mentioned it on here at the time. thought it was very obvious. Hadn't considered it fromt he loss of earnings point of view. Interesting situation.
Thought Cross were immense, when they needed to step it up they did. Think they will win the all ireland now, 10/11 they are
Saved me a bit of money as well I had laid someone Ballinderry at 6/1 and forgot to put the bet on so I was having to watch the liability myself!!
Congrats Cross, fantastic achievement. Easily the better team throughout.
I would imagine Francie will get a much-deserved ban for his act. It could have changed the game if he was correctly sent off, of course, Cross wans could counter it with the fact that McEntee staying on two weeks agoi probably would have ended the need for a replay.
The team are 5/6 for the All-iRELAND. They are really motoring now and hard to see them not winning it.
Handy and well deserved win for Cross, but Bellew and John McEntee both should have walked, regardless of any perceived over-reaction from McGuckin and Conway. The behaviour of the portly Cross mentor, standing over and verbally abusing a possibly injured Conway was extremely unedifying and could have led to a serious incident. Likewise the antics of the Cross no. 22 were extremely dangerous and cowardly and a ban for him would also be appropriate. I would suggest that such behaviour is coached.
You could see the tunnel bust up happening long before it actually kicked off. One must wonder why so many subs felt the need to run to the changing room at half time. It's almost as if the scrap was pre-planned, by at least one of the teams.
Lest I be accused of lacking balance, I would like to point out that McKeown's point was as good a score as I have ever seen.
Quote from: SidelineKick on December 15, 2008, 11:27:30 AM
X is from Cross :o
Y is ALSO from Cross!!! (Y is actually from Ballinderry, and hadn't been playing when this happened, i.e. he was a sub)
I'm actually looking at my original story too and it makes no sense ::)
X got hit by Y, X then ran after Y, not Y running after X. For Y to run after X, Y would have been hit in the first instance by X :D
Narrows things down a whole lot.
Happened to be stewarting on Sunday.
I have never heard as much banter between 2 sets of supporters in my life at any match in Enniskillen.
Most of it was taken well but at times it did get abit out of hand.
Both clubs need to have words with some elements of there support.
Those supporters are tarnishing the good name of both clubs
Quote from: FermGael on December 15, 2008, 12:23:49 PM
Happened to be stewarting on Sunday.
I have never heard as much banter between 2 sets of supporters in my life at any match in Enniskillen.
Most of it was taken well but at times it did get abit out of hand.
Both clubs need to have words with some elements of there support.
Those supporters are tarnishing the good name of both clubs
The Cross fans would have a reputation for being a bad bunch.
From a neutral perspective I thought the game was a shocker and the referee lost control of it altogether from about the 3rd or 4th minute in.
As stated a couple of boys were lucky to stay on. The linesman should have flagged McEntee's offense so I don't blame the ref for that.
The ref I thought was unbalanced. At one stage a Ballinderry corner forward was getting battered - no doubt a foul(can't mind who) and gets nothing. Then the ball fouls to Niall McCusker who gives it, gets shouldered to the ground and takes the boy with him and gets a foul against him. How he gave that foul - which he was right beside - is beyond me. I thought this summed up the balance of the referee.
Even with all that though Cross were the much superior team. They shouldn't have left it behind the first day to be honest. For a club team that team is superb. They have footballers and they can wear teams down physically. It's hard to see them being stopped. I don't much like their tactics though - foul any runners and stop any momentum being built up.
The wee corner back who scored that point is bound to merit a chance with Armagh in the league - excellent player.
Ballinderry could playact a little bit less too. They obviously knew Cross were more physical and thought they could use this to their advantage and get men sent off.
And the Ballinderry fans.
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 15, 2008, 12:40:49 PM
Then the ball fouls to Niall McCusker who gives it, gets shouldered to the ground and takes the boy with him and gets a foul against him.
Did Mc Cusker go to ground?
Pretty clear he didnt go to ground.........
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 15, 2008, 12:40:49 PM
The wee corner back who scored that point is bound to merit a chance with Armagh in the league - excellent player.
I've said many times on this board that Paul McKeown is the brightest prospect of the new Cross breed. Plays the game hard and fair and is a fantastic player. A future Armagh corner back no doubt.
Quote from: full back on December 15, 2008, 12:43:43 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 15, 2008, 12:40:49 PM
Then the ball fouls to Niall McCusker who gives it, gets shouldered to the ground and takes the boy with him and gets a foul against him.
Did Mc Cusker go to ground?
No he didn't. You would need a bull dozer to knock big Niall down. He was very harshly done by on that occasion. The defender went for him and he threw him out of the way, Crowe should have let it go it would have been even.
It will be a classical battle of 2 different football styles in the Final IF it is Crossmaglen v Crokes/Corofin. One to look forward to.
I can't see the Crosssmaglen sideline being outwitted again like they were last year in the semi final in Navan. Imo the only way to beat them is to attack via the wings. They are a very balanced team.
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watch the game again....bellew shoulg have walked...a real dirty action, and this would have made a massive difference to the result. i dont want to hear this thrash talk of how honest a footballer bellew is again. he has one to many dirty things on the field to be tagged as an honest footballer. I have seen him diving to get Mc Kenna sent off (same as darren conway), I have now seen him head butting.
Max could you answer my question, (either thread will do)
Should McGuckin have walked? He punched Bellew which is why Bellew head butted him. IMO Bellew should have walked but its unfair to single him out.
If thats a punch from Mc Guckian then I'm Gerry adams...away to feck and catch yourself on
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on December 15, 2008, 01:32:40 PM
If thats a punch from Mc Guckian then I'm Gerry adams...away to feck and catch yourself on
Pleased to meet you Gerry. Why do you think he threw his head back?!
If I hear anymore Francie love in sessions here I think I'll throw up. Thats too many incidents for him to be regarded as an honest footballer. Could think of a few words to describe his behaviour on a football pitch but I'll refrain from it.
You are missing the point. I have already stated Bellew should have walked, he head butted McGuckin.
Watch the footage 17 mins and 11 seconds and tell me if Brian McGuckin didn't punch Bellew in the ribs. He then put his hands up in the air to say "Look ref didn't touch him".
You call that a punch FFS
To me Max a punch would be classified as a closed fist. He connected with Bellews ribs with a closed fist. Men have been send off for less (John McEntee ;))
I didn't see the whole match but I thought Cross were the much stronger team on view and have some great footballers coming through.
I know there was a lot at stake but if this is the future of Ulster GAA football you can understand why so many Southern softies don't like it. Its dreadful to watch with the score at half time 04 to 01 I think. I know is December but still.
This win at all cost is prevalent now within several counties with teams, managers, backroom staff all pushing the rules to the limit and then challenging every decision made by the CCC. I include my own county, Tyrone, as well especially when we play other Ulster teams that games often degenerate into who can scrap the most with tactical fouling, diving, play acting, trying to get your opponent sent off etc etc. We can all quote incidents over the past 12 months of one team over another but it doesn't seem to be looked at.
I think every team has a few extra rough or downright dirty players and loads of people would say players like Gormley & Ricey are right up there with Francie & other Armagh body builders but surely something needs to be done to change the direction of where our games are going.
Should managers get together with the Refs and other leading figures and agree on what's allowed and what is taking the piss.
There is no respect for Refs or rules any more and we're getting more like the International rules every year.
Before you know it we willl have problems with supporters and have to seperate them
I don't know about you guys but I like to watch a nice fast flowing passing style of football where you know that if you release a pass whilst running at speed that you're not likely to get de-capatated by a late follow thru tackle with the perpetrator getting a yellow card & you a broken collar bone.
No I'm not looking for a basketball style of non contact sport but more a bit more sportsmanship and respect for other players and officials.
Quote from: SidelineKick on December 15, 2008, 12:41:26 PM
And the Ballinderry fans.
Not the best supporters in the world, not the worst either--- not nearly as bad as the Loup wans Sideline.
Quote from: tonesfirstandlast on December 15, 2008, 01:48:28 PM
Quote from: SidelineKick on December 15, 2008, 12:41:26 PM
And the Ballinderry fans.
Not the best supporters in the world, not the worst either--- not nearly as bad as the Loup wans Sideline.
Tones, do I detect that you mave have a grievance with sideline kick?
Did he steal your girlfriend or something?
Youse wouldn't have had too many fans youselves this year TFAL playing relegation play-offs and that ;)
Quote from: full back on December 15, 2008, 01:50:42 PM
Quote from: tonesfirstandlast on December 15, 2008, 01:48:28 PM
Quote from: SidelineKick on December 15, 2008, 12:41:26 PM
And the Ballinderry fans.
Not the best supporters in the world, not the worst either--- not nearly as bad as the Loup wans Sideline.
Tones, do I detect that you mave have a grievance with sideline kick?
Did he steal your girlfriend or something?
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:D FB you are giving TFAL too much credit! He couldnt get one of those!!
Quote from: SidelineKick on December 15, 2008, 01:50:58 PM
Youse wouldn't have had too many fans youselves this year TFAL playing relegation play-offs and that ;)
When the Loup have achieved one tenth of what the Tones have won come on here and start giving us grief. Your team is horrible, your pitch is worse and your supporters are mad.
And how did you contribute to that? Did you not say on another thread you were sh1te and never made any teams???
Oh, but I suppose if you're from Bellaghy thats ok then. Well done on that.
Quote from: SidelineKick on December 15, 2008, 01:58:14 PM
And how did you contribute to that? Did you not say on another thread you were sh1te and never made any teams???
Oh, but I suppose if you're from Bellaghy thats ok then. Well done on that.
Minimal to say the least, but if God if i had been born in the Loup I would have been considered a star. You are an awful hypocrite on here condemning your neighbours when everyone in Derry know that you are the dortiest hoores in the county.
Quote from: tonesfirstandlast on December 10, 2008, 08:21:07 PM
The same happened me. I was never picked in my last year. the reason being that I was shite just like yourself AFS
There it is, found it!
Quote from: tonesfirstandlast on December 15, 2008, 02:06:14 PM
Quote from: SidelineKick on December 15, 2008, 01:58:14 PM
And how did you contribute to that? Did you not say on another thread you were sh1te and never made any teams???
Oh, but I suppose if you're from Bellaghy thats ok then. Well done on that.
Minimal to say the least, but if God if i had been born in the Loup I would have been considered a star. You are an awful hypocrite on here condemning your neighbours when everyone in Derry know that you are the dortiest hoores in the county.
We're better at spelling though ::)
As long as I'm content I'm not a "dorty hoore" then I can condemn all I want ;)
If you would be that good for us then get yourself a transfer, you owe us a player anyway.
No now sideline, dont go winding tfal up
You have already stole his girlfriend, now you want to 'steal' a player back ;)
class! i'm injoying this :D
Quote from: Drumanee 1 on December 15, 2008, 02:41:58 PM
class! i'm injoying this :D
Look its very simple Drum, you owe us a player.
:D
after this year you can have your pick :D
getting back to the mcguckian bellew clash,i have to agree with max here,bellew should get the book for that cowardly act and if you call that a punch from mcguckin ::)
Ok ok it wasnt going to knock him out or anything, but my point is that the whistle had long gone and McGuckin felt the need to get that sly box in, I have no sympathy for him getting a head butt, however what Francie did was plain stupid. Only 5 mins gone and head head butts a player in front of the ref, you would think Cross and Francie especially with his experience would know not to do something like that in the heat of the moment!
lads just took another look at the half time footage and look how it seemed the cross subs seem to all get into the row together as if intended and if you look at the picture in the Irish news you see Aron kernan smiling in the background as if to say yous have fallen for it,now i could be totally wrong here but have a look and tell me what you think
Quote from: SidelineKick on December 15, 2008, 02:51:06 PM
Ok ok it wasnt going to knock him out or anything, but my point is that the whistle had long gone and McGuckin felt the need to get that sly box in, I have no sympathy for him getting a head butt, however what Francie did was plain stupid. Only 5 mins gone and head head butts a player in front of the ref, you would think Cross and Francie especially with his experience would know not to do something like that in the heat of the moment!
Look sideline, stop before you make an absolute ASS of yourself. You went on about Darren Conway as if GAA was finished as we know it [ nobody was happy] but to condone Bellew by saying it was stupid when it has to be one of the dirtiest things ever done on a GAA pitch shows how biased you are. Now us Bellaghy ones are no fans of the sha mrocks but wwe have suffered at the hands , knees, elbows of Crossmaglen and I think you have to agree tht Bellew should have been sent off, suspended for 3 months and it might have had a influence on yhe result but i don't think it would have.
Quote from: Drumanee 1 on December 15, 2008, 02:58:25 PM
lads just took another look at the half time footage and look how it seemed the cross subs seem to all get into the row together as if intended and if you look at the picture in the Irish news you see Aron kernan smiling in the background as if to say yous have fallen for it,now i could be totally wrong here but have a look and tell me what you think
:D
Good lad drumanee, you are in the wrong job if you can deduce that from AK smiling.
You cant see the B'derry players from the TV pictures as they were on the near side against the railings, but the Cross boys werent swinging at shadows
The dogs on the street know how the row started anyway ;)
Quote from: Drumanee 1 on December 15, 2008, 02:58:25 PM
lads just took another look at the half time footage and look how it seemed the cross subs seem to all get into the row together as if intended and if you look at the picture in the Irish news you see Aron kernan smiling in the background as if to say yous have fallen for it,now i could be totally wrong here but have a look and tell me what you think
I had exactly the same thought today at 12:16:26pm.
Quote from: full back on December 15, 2008, 03:09:52 PM
Quote from: Drumanee 1 on December 15, 2008, 02:58:25 PM
lads just took another look at the half time footage and look how it seemed the cross subs seem to all get into the row together as if intended and if you look at the picture in the Irish news you see Aron kernan smiling in the background as if to say yous have fallen for it,now i could be totally wrong here but have a look and tell me what you think
:D
Good lad drumanee, you are in the wrong job if you can deduce that from AK smiling.
You cant see the B'derry players from the TV pictures as they were on the near side against the railings, but the Cross boys werent swinging at shadows
The dogs on the street know how the row started anyway ;)
i was having a pee up a lamp post at the time and have heard nothing
Quote from: tonesfirstandlast on December 15, 2008, 03:08:35 PM
Quote from: SidelineKick on December 15, 2008, 02:51:06 PM
Ok ok it wasnt going to knock him out or anything, but my point is that the whistle had long gone and McGuckin felt the need to get that sly box in, I have no sympathy for him getting a head butt, however what Francie did was plain stupid. Only 5 mins gone and head head butts a player in front of the ref, you would think Cross and Francie especially with his experience would know not to do something like that in the heat of the moment!
Look sideline, stop before you make an absolute ASS of yourself. You went on about Darren Conway as if GAA was finished as we know it [ nobody was happy] but to condone Bellew by saying it was stupid when it has to be one of the dirtiest things ever done on a GAA pitch shows how biased you are. Now us Bellaghy ones are no fans of the sha mrocks but wwe have suffered at the hands , knees, elbows of Crossmaglen and I think you have to agree tht Bellew should have been sent off, suspended for 3 months and it might have had a influence on yhe result but i don't think it would have.
Tones I think you will be the death of me. I have already said he should have been sent off and I have also already said he should get punished now as a result. PLEASE tel me where I condoned it! Jesus sometimes (most actually) your posts make no sense whatsoever.
Once both set of players started running towards the same narrow gap, there was a fair chance of somebody giving or taking a bit of a nudge - both set of players were out to do all they could to win the game, tensions were running high, and as soon as the first wee nudge was given / taken, it was inevitable that there was going to be a full scale row given the occasion, the venom that was present throughout both games and the confined space.
Remember Semplegate started as a result of both sets of players running out that day in Thurles together and a wee nudge was given and all hell then broke loose.
Players are playing for their lives, they're wound up and it's almost guaranteed to get out of hand.
Players seem to think that when the ball isn't in play and the referee isn't about, they can nearly do anything they like.
It's time that the GAA had a system in place whereby one team goes in at half time. Their subs don't even have to go in at all. Can they not kick about the same as they do most other days ?.
That's one for Cuthbert and Co. to look at.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on December 15, 2008, 03:11:58 PM
Quote from: Drumanee 1 on December 15, 2008, 02:58:25 PM
lads just took another look at the half time footage and look how it seemed the cross subs seem to all get into the row together as if intended and if you look at the picture in the Irish news you see Aron kernan smiling in the background as if to say yous have fallen for it,now i could be totally wrong here but have a look and tell me what you think
I had exactly the same thought today at 12:16:26pm.
very good
Quote from: SidelineKick on December 15, 2008, 11:27:30 AM
X is from Cross :o
Y is ALSO from Cross!!! (Y is actually from Ballinderry, and hadn't been playing when this happened, i.e. he was a sub)
I'm actually looking at my original story too and it makes no sense ::)
X got hit by Y, X then ran after Y, not Y running after X. For Y to run after X, Y would have been hit in the first instance by X :D
Lads,
I was sitting not that far from the tunnel and had a clear view of what happened. One of the B/derry subs came running past a few of the cross subs & he must have just picked one of them at random to clobber on the side of the head. he then ran for his life, but got caught and got a right battering. From what I could see No.14 McCusker was doing his best to settle it, but No.11 & No.8 I think bother are Conways seemed hell bent on keeping it going for which no.11 got his fair share of thumps.
If you read all the comments coming from the B/derry camp last week, they seemed more intent of getting the point across that they wouldn't be intimated by Crossmaglen on the physical presence the bring to the field, but infairness b/derry are well able to bring as much of this to the game themselves, point being they took their eye of the main prize and tried to rough it up. I'm sure this tactic has worked before with others, but few teams have the experience this Cross side do and to try and rough them up because they are beating you at football clearly didn't work for B/derry either way.
Strange game yesterday. Cross totally deserving of their win but I think you have a point there goh. Ballinderry seem to struggle in the physical stakes since a few of their elder statesmen have left the side. Boys like Sean Donnelly, Paul Wilson, Jarlath Bell, Barry McOscar and Adrian McGuckin were all well able to handle the physical stakes and their loss (through retierment and injury) and subsequent replacement by players like Devlin, Wilkinson, Harney, and the 2 young corner backs (all of whom are superb footballers btw) would seem to have left a bit of a void there and when put up to them physically against a side like Crossmaglen they definitely struggled!
why take them on physically then? Brain-dead management. Balinderry would do well to invest in some coaching staff who know what they are at,because the current incumbents clearly don't have a clue.
Quote from: goh4205 on December 15, 2008, 05:25:05 PM
Quote from: SidelineKick on December 15, 2008, 11:27:30 AM
X is from Cross :o
Y is ALSO from Cross!!! (Y is actually from Ballinderry, and hadn't been playing when this happened, i.e. he was a sub)
I'm actually looking at my original story too and it makes no sense ::)
X got hit by Y, X then ran after Y, not Y running after X. For Y to run after X, Y would have been hit in the first instance by X :D
Lads,
I was sitting not that far from the tunnel and had a clear view of what happened. One of the B/derry subs came running past a few of the cross subs & he must have just picked one of them at random to clobber on the side of the head. he then ran for his life, but got caught and got a right battering. From what I could see No.14 McCusker was doing his best to settle it, but No.11 & No.8 I think bother are Conways seemed hell bent on keeping it going for which no.11 got his fair share of thumps.
If you read all the comments coming from the B/derry camp last week, they seemed more intent of getting the point across that they wouldn't be intimated by Crossmaglen on the physical presence the bring to the field, but infairness b/derry are well able to bring as much of this to the game themselves, point being they took their eye of the main prize and tried to rough it up. I'm sure this tactic has worked before with others, but few teams have the experience this Cross side do and to try and rough them up because they are beating you at football clearly didn't work for B/derry either way.
I wouldn;t listen to a word this lad says. He is Cross' biggest fan, yet claims he doesn't support them. Has been caught out numerous times.
Quote from: tonesfirstandlast on December 15, 2008, 03:08:35 PM
Quote from: SidelineKick on December 15, 2008, 02:51:06 PM
Ok ok it wasnt going to knock him out or anything, but my point is that the whistle had long gone and McGuckin felt the need to get that sly box in, I have no sympathy for him getting a head butt, however what Francie did was plain stupid. Only 5 mins gone and head head butts a player in front of the ref, you would think Cross and Francie especially with his experience would know not to do something like that in the heat of the moment!
Look sideline, stop before you make an absolute ASS of yourself. You went on about Darren Conway as if GAA was finished as we know it [ nobody was happy] but to condone Bellew by saying it was stupid when it has to be one of the dirtiest things ever done on a GAA pitch shows how biased you are. Now us Bellaghy ones are no fans of the sha mrocks but wwe have suffered at the hands , knees, elbows of Crossmaglen and I think you have to agree tht Bellew should have been sent off, suspended for 3 months and it might have had a influence on yhe result but i don't think it would have.
That has to be one of the most ridiculous statements I've seen on the board. Yes, Bellew was wrong, there seemed to me to be intent and he probably should have walked but I've seen far worse in underage matches.
Quote from: corn02 on December 15, 2008, 05:52:21 PM
Quote from: goh4205 on December 15, 2008, 05:25:05 PM
Quote from: SidelineKick on December 15, 2008, 11:27:30 AM
X is from Cross :o
Y is ALSO from Cross!!! (Y is actually from Ballinderry, and hadn't been playing when this happened, i.e. he was a sub)
I'm actually looking at my original story too and it makes no sense ::)
X got hit by Y, X then ran after Y, not Y running after X. For Y to run after X, Y would have been hit in the first instance by X :D
Lads,
I was sitting not that far from the tunnel and had a clear view of what happened. One of the B/derry subs came running past a few of the cross subs & he must have just picked one of them at random to clobber on the side of the head. he then ran for his life, but got caught and got a right battering. From what I could see No.14 McCusker was doing his best to settle it, but No.11 & No.8 I think bother are Conways seemed hell bent on keeping it going for which no.11 got his fair share of thumps.
If you read all the comments coming from the B/derry camp last week, they seemed more intent of getting the point across that they wouldn't be intimated by Crossmaglen on the physical presence the bring to the field, but infairness b/derry are well able to bring as much of this to the game themselves, point being they took their eye of the main prize and tried to rough it up. I'm sure this tactic has worked before with others, but few teams have the experience this Cross side do and to try and rough them up because they are beating you at football clearly didn't work for B/derry either way.
I wouldn;t listen to a word this lad says. He is Cross' biggest fan, yet claims he doesn't support them. Has been caught out numerous times.
Corn, I only wrote what i seen. If you don't want to believe it, then that's your choice, your showing you true blue & white jealousy now big guy. regarding me been cross biggest fan, I wouldn't go as far as that, but I will support my near neighbours something which you find alien behaviour
now goh, I'll take what you say about Cross with a pinch of salt.
I heard tonight what happened. It is as most are stating, a Ballinderry sub came from behind and hit a Cross sub on the way into the dressing room. He got a slap from one of the other subs and then the row escalated. I know the names of those involved but am not posting them. On viewing the video on the news, I'm not sure if much use of it can be made, as it is very difficult to identify anyone clearly doing anything other than pushing. WHoever it was who was wearing the luminous green gloves seems to have been the most "active". ;)
Wearing brightly coloured gloves in a row.
Rookie mistake.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 15, 2008, 08:06:18 PM
I heard tonight what happened. It is as most are stating, a Ballinderry sub came from behind and hit a Cross sub on the way into the dressing room. He got a slap from one of the other subs and then the row escalated. I know the names of those involved but am not posting them. On viewing the video on the news, I'm not sure if much use of it can be made, as it is very difficult to identify anyone clearly doing anything other than pushing. WHoever it was who was wearing the luminous green gloves seems to have been the most "active". ;)
Quote from: Jinxy on December 15, 2008, 08:11:48 PM
Wearing brightly coloured gloves in a row.
Rookie mistake.
It could have been any of them lads :D :D :D :D...
from derrygaa.ie
Ballinderry Receive Glove sponsorship
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Many thanks to Gary Higgins from Sportsworld who sponsored the Ballinderry Shamrocks players gloves ahead of their big game with Crossmaglen. Pictured presenting to Killian Conlan Senior team selector.
Saw the Bellew "incident" on the news, he'll do time for that...
just watched the game, wasn't anywhere near as negative or dour as i was led to believe, some passages s of great football. Francie was lucky to stay on the pitch, impressed by the younger lads for cross, mckeown being the pick of the bunch. Intersting to see what cross do int he better weather, they have the footballers to be very hard to stop
Quote from: INDIANA on December 15, 2008, 05:41:19 PM
why take them on physically then? Brain-dead management. Balinderry would do well to invest in some coaching staff who know what they are at,because the current incumbents clearly don't have a clue.
Harsh words - no shame in getting beat by a better team.
Not a bit of it, after being thoroughly outplayed the first day, in an effort( not to be pushed around) they make a physical statement of intent, get beaten upo and lose. Like I said braindead. No gameplan, no lateral thinking just typical macho Ulster club football I can hit harder than you even if you're 2 stone heavier than me. Well Balinderry found they couldn't. I thought they were very very disappointing over the 2 days with the amount of inter county experience at their disposal. They had no gameplan either day, and that fault lies with the management who somehow came to the conclusion that a physical appraoch was best. mindboggling.
Quote from: INDIANA on December 16, 2008, 01:04:41 AM
Not a bit of it, after being thoroughly outplayed the first day, in an effort( not to be pushed around) they make a physical statement of intent, get beaten upo and lose. Like I said braindead. No gameplan, no lateral thinking just typical macho Ulster club football I can hit harder than you even if you're 2 stone heavier than me. Well Balinderry found they couldn't. I thought they were very very disappointing over the 2 days with the amount of inter county experience at their disposal. They had no gameplan either day, and that fault lies with the management who somehow came to the conclusion that a physical appraoch was best. mindboggling.
I thought the same myself INDIANA, I said it the last day that if Ballinderry concentrated on playing football Cross would find it hard to play with them, why they felt the need to try and rough it up is beyond me. You just can't do that against Cross, play to your strengths! A few strange subs made too by the Ballinderry management. Two defenders that started the last day never even made an appearance and they brought on two other defenders. Though I suppose Cross did the same with Cathal Short.
Know a boy tried to do what Francie done on Sunday and ended up with your other boys teeth in the back of his head was one of funniest things I seen on football field because they were both pricks ha.
The Ulster Council are meeting tonight about Sunday's game, will be interesting
LOOKS LIKE THE BCC WOULD LOVE TO ADD TO THE STORY
Ulster Council to discuss brawl
David McKenna is challenged in Sunday's replay at Enniskillen
The Ulster Council will discuss the scenes which marred Sunday's provincial club final replay at a meeting on Tuesday evening.
Referees usually have three days to submit their match reports but Brian Crowe has been asked to have his account ready for by Tuesday's meeting.
Officials will consider the half-time scenes when personnel from Crossmaglen and Ballinderry clashed in the tunnel.
TV replays didn't indicate the precise culprits but it looked decidedly ugly.
There were also reports of disturbances in the crowd among supporters.
Crossmaglen won their third successive AIB Ulster Club title in Sunday's game.
Quote from: goh4205 on December 15, 2008, 06:18:41 PM
Quote from: corn02 on December 15, 2008, 05:52:21 PM
Quote from: goh4205 on December 15, 2008, 05:25:05 PM
Quote from: SidelineKick on December 15, 2008, 11:27:30 AM
X is from Cross :o
Y is ALSO from Cross!!! (Y is actually from Ballinderry, and hadn't been playing when this happened, i.e. he was a sub)
I'm actually looking at my original story too and it makes no sense ::)
X got hit by Y, X then ran after Y, not Y running after X. For Y to run after X, Y would have been hit in the first instance by X :D
Lads,
I was sitting not that far from the tunnel and had a clear view of what happened. One of the B/derry subs came running past a few of the cross subs & he must have just picked one of them at random to clobber on the side of the head. he then ran for his life, but got caught and got a right battering. From what I could see No.14 McCusker was doing his best to settle it, but No.11 & No.8 I think bother are Conways seemed hell bent on keeping it going for which no.11 got his fair share of thumps.
If you read all the comments coming from the B/derry camp last week, they seemed more intent of getting the point across that they wouldn't be intimated by Crossmaglen on the physical presence the bring to the field, but infairness b/derry are well able to bring as much of this to the game themselves, point being they took their eye of the main prize and tried to rough it up. I'm sure this tactic has worked before with others, but few teams have the experience this Cross side do and to try and rough them up because they are beating you at football clearly didn't work for B/derry either way.
I wouldn;t listen to a word this lad says. He is Cross' biggest fan, yet claims he doesn't support them. Has been caught out numerous times.
Corn, I only wrote what i seen. If you don't want to believe it, then that's your choice, your showing you true blue & white jealousy now big guy. regarding me been cross biggest fan, I wouldn't go as far as that, but I will support my near neighbours something which you find alien behaviour
Your not still hurting from when you were caught out big style. You want me to post a link? Yoet you still claim not to be from Cross, amazing.
I love the way BBC seemed it fit for the news section too.
Previous postJust to put this nonsense from goh to bed that he's not a cross man....
i thought you boys were all proud of your roots?
Quote from: goh4205 on October 06, 2008, 04:51:00 PM
Pints you can make whatever assumption you like, I am only saying what I saw and what I was told. to say that intent is striking is false and push could be interpreted as a strike, but is it.
The person who told me about this is an x Harps player and someone with a very honest view, this was also his view on what I said about Kelly been a yap and was always lying down. So if thats his opinion as a Harps man, then what do most Cross & neutrals think.
Quote from: goh4205 on October 06, 2008, 10:06:22 AM
I was at the game, but i was to far away from the incident to see properly. but what in will say is the Harps peno what charing offence & the goal they got was clearly a push in the back by the no.15. adding to that John McEntee was clearly pushed out over the line which lead to the goal & Tony McEntee has a nice shiner for his troubles after been hit off the ball. Also when did it become legal to allow a 4 man tackle? I lost count the amount of times Harps were allowed to get away with this. As for the Francie incident I was talking to a mate who was right behind the goals and seem what happened, the No.13 had been goading Francie for most of the 2nd half and he locked arms with Francie trying to get him to pull him down to get him booked & Francie just pushed him away & he fell. So the point is cross don't get it all there own way when it comes to refs. regarding a re-fixture if i were Harps I keep wondering of the what if, because if there was to be a reply they would get shown up bigtime as has happened in replays before.
Quote from: goh4205 on August 10, 2008, 10:46:16 AM
I've heard this alot over the years and if anyone is to blame for that incident it is Benny. I was at that game and the ball he gave him had several blue lights on it. The ball was there to challenge for and Francie been Francie he went for the ball. If you even go back to the Down game this year in clones when Danny Hughes & him clashed going for the ball, I was sitting right infront of this and at no time did Bellew take his eyes of the ball which meant if the man was in the way, well tough shit.
Quote from: goh4205 on August 05, 2008, 10:22:26 AM
Your views are probably what alot of others are thinking, however they do have a few decent lads on their. a good friend of mine asked a tryone panelists what sort of a clown that Ricey was & his reply was "every county has one" meaning he's a complete w**ker on and off the pitch. As for Gormley I think he is a brilliant player that doesn't need to do the things he does. He should have walked against Mayo for persistant fouling & then belting Mortimer in the back of the net. Cowardly way to do it, but thats just the it is.
I was at the Dromore/Crossmaglen match last year in the Ulster club match and Ricey was giving McConville shit, I guess about the book, and when John McEntee got his chance he gave him a belt and he never opened his mouth the rest of the game. So point been they will bully you if they think they'll get away with it.
Quote from: goh4205 on May 13, 2008, 04:09:30 PM
God I really wanna stop talking about this but basically you know yourself and its clear to everyone else that when you asked "why did your number 14 kick the ball into the net 3-4 times after scoring" you didn't raise it as a valid question, which was proven by the fact that you answered your own question. It was a childish attempt to take the piss, and hardly an issue thats worth being raised on a discussion board.
Doctor who???? Is this really the height of your humour? The craic must be ninety in your house of a saturday night. BC1 are you not ashamed to be posting alongside such an idiot?
Quote from: goh4205 on May 13, 2008, 04:09:30 PMThe fact that you have to insult me totally explains my point, I guess if someone from my club acted like that tool did then I'd be out fighting to defend him, then again i wouldn't. BC1 is well able to speak for himself and doesn't need any jibes from you with the attempt to drag him into it, you Dromintee boys should know all about fighting among yourself.
before you imply about me been from Cross, can i inform you I'm not. I was there seeing the great new hope we have from Dromintee among our ranks & to be frank I wasn't impressed. He was shit scared of an former county lion whom he didn't dare challenge not even once, which says a lot for our selection policy. We have loads of fringe players like him already who are nothing more than average club players.
Quote from: goh4205 on May 12, 2008, 10:45:26 PM
I thought that hanratty lad had super game from what i seen, he's a strong lad who could put it up to most midfielders in the county. infact the above mentioned who played yesterday were pretty quite it was the younger crop who made all the play, but it is probably insurance for the younger crop of players knowing that they have the lads above to fall back on.
Quote from: goh4205 on May 12, 2008, 10:38:54 PM
That must have been what it was BC1, funny cross scored 2 goals and non of the 2 lads who scored acted like that, but as you say since they don't often score points against cross, apart from the occassion you mention never mind goals he probably thought he was doctor who :D :D :D
Quote from: goh4205 on May 11, 2008, 05:18:46 PM
I went to this game thinking it could through up a fairly interesting challenge considering both teams were very under strength, but truthfully the class really showed in the first 5mins. When you consider cross have 8 first team players away with Armagh the way they took off from the start it was like a whirl wind and Dromintee didn't know were to turn. The score line could have been more if not for a brilliant save by the Dromintee keeper in both half's. Cross looked extremely sharp or maybe the Dromintee lads just were very unfit.
Even with the Armagh connection, Dromintee face a mountain come championship time considering what cross have to come back in also.
Quote from: goh4205 on April 25, 2008, 07:27:12 PM
Quote from: doire na raithe on April 25, 2008, 06:40:14 PM
Health and safety reasons were stated by goh and others for the final being in cross. Why then, could somebody tell me were these so important rules allowed to slide for semi finals?
It's all to do with the expected crowd attending.. I know someone who knows the health & safety office who inspected the ground for the 2006 final when Dromintee kicked had reservations about home advantage and quite simply they were told that there was no other pitch in Armagh that could facilitate the expected crowd. The options were Newry or Clones, which the county board wouldn't allow as it would have been seen as an embarrassment upon the county..
Quote from: goh4205 on March 24, 2008, 06:02:48 PM
I was at the 7's on Saturday and seen every game, apart from the Mullaghbawn/Ballymacnab game. I was right beside the Murtagh incident and to be fair he slammed the ball home from close range which the Clans keeper tried to dive at his feet, now weather Murtagh's boot caught him by accident or not I'm not sure, but there didn't seem to be any deliberate intention on Murtagh's behalf, there was a few words of verbal & the Clans keeper downed him.
This all started in the first game when a clans player for no reason that i could see busted Tony Kernan of the ball, so I guess it was simmering from then.
The Ref was poor I have to admit, but he could have so easily sent off a few more, notably Marsden he was slapping McKeown anytime he got a chance & to be fair to McKeown he held his head & got on with it. One thing I did notice though was that Marsden didn't happen to come back after Donal Murtagh had a go at him at a sideline ball & another when Donaldson clearly caught him with an upper cut, but I guess if it would have been anyone else he would having been looking to box, but for some reason he seemed to accept it from the 2 mentioned above (Perhaps he'd have been bitting off more than he could chew with any of these 2).
Barry O'Hagan is still a class player and should still be playing with Armagh.
Quote from: goh4205 on November 28, 2007, 05:01:16 AM
Firstly congratulation to Cross on a stunning performance on Sunday, from about 10 mins into the game they never looked like losing. As Milltown said they were the better team on the day in everyway, skill, determination & fitness. I happened to be in Newry so I made my way to the ground pretty early and seen them come out for their warm up onto the back pitch and they were so precise even in that. In all the drills they did during their warm up I counted only one ball drop. Beside me was a well known ex-Down county manager who commented that are as well drilled as any county team. How do they get this continual focus instilled into these lads when you consider that the age gaps between some of the players is quite a lot, is it the fact that the younger guys have so much respect for the likes of Oisin & the McEntees that they just do what is required or as they told. BC maybe you could answer this.
Quote from: goh4205 on August 27, 2007, 03:53:29 PM
Lads,
you's can talk around the issue all day, but Winsamsoon is right, jealously is the only issue here. He's also right about the clans, they are the next most successful club in Armagh history, thats fact.
So for talk sake pints the bridge starting winning everything before them and the had a structure were they had 4/5 players coming through every year from minor etc. after 4/5 years everybody would start hacking the shite out of you's and i bet you would like it.
Success breads contempt from other clubs, but you can't faulty cross for that
Quote from: goh4205 on August 26, 2007, 06:02:52 PM
I go to alot of armagh football, cause the louth football is shite basically. Been to a few bridge games, but non of late, i must take one in soon so i can have a right pop at you then.
I would agree with you on your last post, but the difference most of the Dromintee boys didn't wanna know when it hotted up. I know the bridge & cross one's don't get on & maybe there is reasons for that which i don't know, but i find it staggering that so many negitives are posted about Cross when they are the most successful team ever in Armagh & probably Ireland and almost all of them posts are from within Armagh. I think any county would be proud to have a club team as good as them.
Quote from: goh4205 on August 26, 2007, 05:25:06 PM
I was on the oppisite side to the stand and some of the verbals coming from the Dromintee supporters was just as bad. The kernans for some reason seemed to come in for the most.
I thought the ref had a good game yesterday, he made his intentions clear fom the start that he wasn't gonna take any shit from anybody. In saying that he did miss a few things, the strike on Oisin in the first half, the strike on AK right in front of the lines man. The challenge from behind on SK which lead to him going off, and the elbow on the cross no. 7 by AOR right at the end. There was also a few rash challenge's by a few cross lads as well, which warrent a mention.
There was no way that Dromintee were able to live with the intensiity that Cross set, they seemed to keep pushing and moving at 100mph throughout the game.
Any body seem what happened in the first half when COR got his marching orders!
Quote from: goh4205 on August 21, 2007, 10:43:55 PM
Your a champ uladh, you probably never kicked a ball in your life, well at a competitive level anyway. I would feel abit left out, but I'm not the only poster to notice wee jimmy's faults (which were plenty). if I was from cross I'd say it & be proud of it.
As for corn02 i wouldn't expect anything else from you, since your from Dromintee, but can you confirm that AOR told wee jimmy to go f**k himself during the match, and when he called him back he said it again & followed it with (Don't annoy my f**k'in head) if that would have been anybody else from any other team it would have been a straight red, but it proves my point from an earlier post that wee Jimmy did have another motive, and was clear for all to see.
Quote from: goh4205 on August 19, 2007, 11:50:04 PM
Was at the Cross - Dromintee game and as a neutral I thought Jimmy McKee was a disgrace. Marty O'Rourke should have got a straight red for his strike on the young corner back in the first half, but instead he give's marty's marker a yellow.
He also blew a cross half forward up i think for catching a clean kickout and then at the end he gives a fifty which never was & to top that of he give Marty O'Rourke a free, when he should have blown for over carrying.
I hate picking out individuals, but Marty O'Rourke must be the biggest mouth in the country. He was constinently at his marker trying to get him sent off and the dives he was getting away with was a joke.
If this is the best Ref in Armagh, he needs to look at himself in the mirror , it looked very clear to me that he was doing everything for Dromintee to snatch it.
If teams need the ref as well to beat cross then the standard outside cross must be pretty poor to say the least.
The most obvious quote to use is this one, when you lost the rag and admitted you were from cross...
Quote from: goh4205 on May 12, 2008, 10:38:54 PM
A bit like the "Drive it home to them" that was liberally shouted when you beat us by 17 points that day a few years back. You are right in one thing, it means fcuk all squared come championship, and I think Cross will know that better than most and not let a big win go to their heads. I would reckon that only 3-4 of the Cross team from Sunday will pay championship against you anyway.
As for the lad kicking it into the net after scoring the goal, jaysus give the lad a break, it's not everyday you score a goal against Cross, he must have been fierce proud of himself and overcome with emotion
That must have been what it was BC1, funny cross scored 2 goals and non of the 2 lads who scored acted like that, but as you say since they don't often score points against cross, apart from the occassion you mention never mind goals he probably thought he was doctor who
At this early stage in the season, how are things shaping out? Does anyone look like making a serious concerted effort to break the Cross dominance?
Haha brilliant GAA.
I don't understand it, If I was from Cross I wouldn't be hiding it.
Quote from: AFS on December 16, 2008, 12:42:25 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on December 16, 2008, 01:04:41 AM
Not a bit of it, after being thoroughly outplayed the first day, in an effort( not to be pushed around) they make a physical statement of intent, get beaten upo and lose. Like I said braindead. No gameplan, no lateral thinking just typical macho Ulster club football I can hit harder than you even if you're 2 stone heavier than me. Well Balinderry found they couldn't. I thought they were very very disappointing over the 2 days with the amount of inter county experience at their disposal. They had no gameplan either day, and that fault lies with the management who somehow came to the conclusion that a physical appraoch was best. mindboggling.
This isn't really true INDIANA. You seem to put a lot of Cross' success down to their physical prowess, while seemingly ignoring that they can play a bit too. Its worth remembering that 8 or 9 or Cross' starting 15 would not break the six foot mark, so branding them as a sort of band of ferocious ogres is wide of the mark. Their makeup is quite similar to most good teams around the country, they have their big guys that can hit and they have their footballers too.
The thing is AFS that teh smaller guys can hit hard too, and are very good at tackling in groups. Much of the "hard" persona of the team was built on the earlier teams. It is still the same few that are the mainstays of the physical side of their game, but the younger lads are well fit to hold their own. It is noticeable how many of them are able to break tackles and stay in possession of the ball. That is a core strength that is formed from playing games at a high intensity over a sustained period, similar to the KK hurlers.
AFS lets' be clear about a few things. I don't have Cross down as a bunch of big ogres, they are one of the best club teams in the country. Of course they can play. But physical strength is a massive part of their makeup. They spend thousands on weight training programmes for players, fair play to them .
There is no club team who can match Bellew,the Entees, Donaldson etc in the physical stakes so why play right into their hands and give yourself no chance? I'm not saying had Balinderry adopted a different style they'd have won. But I do know this they had no chance taking them on physically, absolutely none.
If you move Cross around , you can cause them problems. Doesn't mean you'll beat them, but you haven't a hope in a physical game trying to knock the shite of them. Thats why I'd question the Balinderry tactics and how they ever came to the conclusion that by trying to kick the shite out of Cross that they'd succeed where other more physical teams have failed.
As I said Mindboggling. Portlaoise, Vincents, Dr Crokes(although they eventually lost) in the past have all caused Cross bother by using a different style against them. Maybe some of the Ulster coaches of senior club teams should purchase these videos and have a look because I've reviewed them at length. They might give themselves a chance the next day. A chance , thats all, you have to have the players as well. But the Balinderry teamsheet suggests to me they do. Similar to the Derry county team, an awful waste of talent.
Quote from: The GAA on December 16, 2008, 12:38:30 PM
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Just to put this nonsense from goh to bed that he's not a cross man....
i thought you boys were all proud of your roots?
Quote from: goh4205 on October 06, 2008, 04:51:00 PM
Pints you can make whatever assumption you like, I am only saying what I saw and what I was told. to say that intent is striking is false and push could be interpreted as a strike, but is it.
The person who told me about this is an x Harps player and someone with a very honest view, this was also his view on what I said about Kelly been a yap and was always lying down. So if thats his opinion as a Harps man, then what do most Cross & neutrals think.
Quote from: goh4205 on October 06, 2008, 10:06:22 AM
I was at the game, but i was to far away from the incident to see properly. but what in will say is the Harps peno what charing offence & the goal they got was clearly a push in the back by the no.15. adding to that John McEntee was clearly pushed out over the line which lead to the goal & Tony McEntee has a nice shiner for his troubles after been hit off the ball. Also when did it become legal to allow a 4 man tackle? I lost count the amount of times Harps were allowed to get away with this. As for the Francie incident I was talking to a mate who was right behind the goals and seem what happened, the No.13 had been goading Francie for most of the 2nd half and he locked arms with Francie trying to get him to pull him down to get him booked & Francie just pushed him away & he fell. So the point is cross don't get it all there own way when it comes to refs. regarding a re-fixture if i were Harps I keep wondering of the what if, because if there was to be a reply they would get shown up bigtime as has happened in replays before.
Quote from: goh4205 on August 10, 2008, 10:46:16 AM
I've heard this alot over the years and if anyone is to blame for that incident it is Benny. I was at that game and the ball he gave him had several blue lights on it. The ball was there to challenge for and Francie been Francie he went for the ball. If you even go back to the Down game this year in clones when Danny Hughes & him clashed going for the ball, I was sitting right infront of this and at no time did Bellew take his eyes of the ball which meant if the man was in the way, well tough shit.
Quote from: goh4205 on August 05, 2008, 10:22:26 AM
Your views are probably what alot of others are thinking, however they do have a few decent lads on their. a good friend of mine asked a tryone panelists what sort of a clown that Ricey was & his reply was "every county has one" meaning he's a complete w**ker on and off the pitch. As for Gormley I think he is a brilliant player that doesn't need to do the things he does. He should have walked against Mayo for persistant fouling & then belting Mortimer in the back of the net. Cowardly way to do it, but thats just the it is.
I was at the Dromore/Crossmaglen match last year in the Ulster club match and Ricey was giving McConville shit, I guess about the book, and when John McEntee got his chance he gave him a belt and he never opened his mouth the rest of the game. So point been they will bully you if they think they'll get away with it.
Quote from: goh4205 on May 13, 2008, 04:09:30 PM
God I really wanna stop talking about this but basically you know yourself and its clear to everyone else that when you asked "why did your number 14 kick the ball into the net 3-4 times after scoring" you didn't raise it as a valid question, which was proven by the fact that you answered your own question. It was a childish attempt to take the piss, and hardly an issue thats worth being raised on a discussion board.
Doctor who???? Is this really the height of your humour? The craic must be ninety in your house of a saturday night. BC1 are you not ashamed to be posting alongside such an idiot?
Quote from: goh4205 on May 13, 2008, 04:09:30 PMThe fact that you have to insult me totally explains my point, I guess if someone from my club acted like that tool did then I'd be out fighting to defend him, then again i wouldn't. BC1 is well able to speak for himself and doesn't need any jibes from you with the attempt to drag him into it, you Dromintee boys should know all about fighting among yourself.
before you imply about me been from Cross, can i inform you I'm not. I was there seeing the great new hope we have from Dromintee among our ranks & to be frank I wasn't impressed. He was shit scared of an former county lion whom he didn't dare challenge not even once, which says a lot for our selection policy. We have loads of fringe players like him already who are nothing more than average club players.
Quote from: goh4205 on May 12, 2008, 10:45:26 PM
I thought that hanratty lad had super game from what i seen, he's a strong lad who could put it up to most midfielders in the county. infact the above mentioned who played yesterday were pretty quite it was the younger crop who made all the play, but it is probably insurance for the younger crop of players knowing that they have the lads above to fall back on.
Quote from: goh4205 on May 12, 2008, 10:38:54 PM
That must have been what it was BC1, funny cross scored 2 goals and non of the 2 lads who scored acted like that, but as you say since they don't often score points against cross, apart from the occassion you mention never mind goals he probably thought he was doctor who :D :D :D
Quote from: goh4205 on May 11, 2008, 05:18:46 PM
I went to this game thinking it could through up a fairly interesting challenge considering both teams were very under strength, but truthfully the class really showed in the first 5mins. When you consider cross have 8 first team players away with Armagh the way they took off from the start it was like a whirl wind and Dromintee didn't know were to turn. The score line could have been more if not for a brilliant save by the Dromintee keeper in both half's. Cross looked extremely sharp or maybe the Dromintee lads just were very unfit.
Even with the Armagh connection, Dromintee face a mountain come championship time considering what cross have to come back in also.
Quote from: goh4205 on April 25, 2008, 07:27:12 PM
Quote from: doire na raithe on April 25, 2008, 06:40:14 PM
Health and safety reasons were stated by goh and others for the final being in cross. Why then, could somebody tell me were these so important rules allowed to slide for semi finals?
It's all to do with the expected crowd attending.. I know someone who knows the health & safety office who inspected the ground for the 2006 final when Dromintee kicked had reservations about home advantage and quite simply they were told that there was no other pitch in Armagh that could facilitate the expected crowd. The options were Newry or Clones, which the county board wouldn't allow as it would have been seen as an embarrassment upon the county..
Quote from: goh4205 on March 24, 2008, 06:02:48 PM
I was at the 7's on Saturday and seen every game, apart from the Mullaghbawn/Ballymacnab game. I was right beside the Murtagh incident and to be fair he slammed the ball home from close range which the Clans keeper tried to dive at his feet, now weather Murtagh's boot caught him by accident or not I'm not sure, but there didn't seem to be any deliberate intention on Murtagh's behalf, there was a few words of verbal & the Clans keeper downed him.
This all started in the first game when a clans player for no reason that i could see busted Tony Kernan of the ball, so I guess it was simmering from then.
The Ref was poor I have to admit, but he could have so easily sent off a few more, notably Marsden he was slapping McKeown anytime he got a chance & to be fair to McKeown he held his head & got on with it. One thing I did notice though was that Marsden didn't happen to come back after Donal Murtagh had a go at him at a sideline ball & another when Donaldson clearly caught him with an upper cut, but I guess if it would have been anyone else he would having been looking to box, but for some reason he seemed to accept it from the 2 mentioned above (Perhaps he'd have been bitting off more than he could chew with any of these 2).
Barry O'Hagan is still a class player and should still be playing with Armagh.
Quote from: goh4205 on November 28, 2007, 05:01:16 AM
Firstly congratulation to Cross on a stunning performance on Sunday, from about 10 mins into the game they never looked like losing. As Milltown said they were the better team on the day in everyway, skill, determination & fitness. I happened to be in Newry so I made my way to the ground pretty early and seen them come out for their warm up onto the back pitch and they were so precise even in that. In all the drills they did during their warm up I counted only one ball drop. Beside me was a well known ex-Down county manager who commented that are as well drilled as any county team. How do they get this continual focus instilled into these lads when you consider that the age gaps between some of the players is quite a lot, is it the fact that the younger guys have so much respect for the likes of Oisin & the McEntees that they just do what is required or as they told. BC maybe you could answer this.
Quote from: goh4205 on August 27, 2007, 03:53:29 PM
Lads,
you's can talk around the issue all day, but Winsamsoon is right, jealously is the only issue here. He's also right about the clans, they are the next most successful club in Armagh history, thats fact.
So for talk sake pints the bridge starting winning everything before them and the had a structure were they had 4/5 players coming through every year from minor etc. after 4/5 years everybody would start hacking the shite out of you's and i bet you would like it.
Success breads contempt from other clubs, but you can't faulty cross for that
Quote from: goh4205 on August 26, 2007, 06:02:52 PM
I go to alot of armagh football, cause the louth football is shite basically. Been to a few bridge games, but non of late, i must take one in soon so i can have a right pop at you then.
I would agree with you on your last post, but the difference most of the Dromintee boys didn't wanna know when it hotted up. I know the bridge & cross one's don't get on & maybe there is reasons for that which i don't know, but i find it staggering that so many negitives are posted about Cross when they are the most successful team ever in Armagh & probably Ireland and almost all of them posts are from within Armagh. I think any county would be proud to have a club team as good as them.
Quote from: goh4205 on August 26, 2007, 05:25:06 PM
I was on the oppisite side to the stand and some of the verbals coming from the Dromintee supporters was just as bad. The kernans for some reason seemed to come in for the most.
I thought the ref had a good game yesterday, he made his intentions clear fom the start that he wasn't gonna take any shit from anybody. In saying that he did miss a few things, the strike on Oisin in the first half, the strike on AK right in front of the lines man. The challenge from behind on SK which lead to him going off, and the elbow on the cross no. 7 by AOR right at the end. There was also a few rash challenge's by a few cross lads as well, which warrent a mention.
There was no way that Dromintee were able to live with the intensiity that Cross set, they seemed to keep pushing and moving at 100mph throughout the game.
Any body seem what happened in the first half when COR got his marching orders!
Quote from: goh4205 on August 21, 2007, 10:43:55 PM
Your a champ uladh, you probably never kicked a ball in your life, well at a competitive level anyway. I would feel abit left out, but I'm not the only poster to notice wee jimmy's faults (which were plenty). if I was from cross I'd say it & be proud of it.
As for corn02 i wouldn't expect anything else from you, since your from Dromintee, but can you confirm that AOR told wee jimmy to go f**k himself during the match, and when he called him back he said it again & followed it with (Don't annoy my f**k'in head) if that would have been anybody else from any other team it would have been a straight red, but it proves my point from an earlier post that wee Jimmy did have another motive, and was clear for all to see.
Quote from: goh4205 on August 19, 2007, 11:50:04 PM
Was at the Cross - Dromintee game and as a neutral I thought Jimmy McKee was a disgrace. Marty O'Rourke should have got a straight red for his strike on the young corner back in the first half, but instead he give's marty's marker a yellow.
He also blew a cross half forward up i think for catching a clean kickout and then at the end he gives a fifty which never was & to top that of he give Marty O'Rourke a free, when he should have blown for over carrying.
I hate picking out individuals, but Marty O'Rourke must be the biggest mouth in the country. He was constinently at his marker trying to get him sent off and the dives he was getting away with was a joke.
If this is the best Ref in Armagh, he needs to look at himself in the mirror , it looked very clear to me that he was doing everything for Dromintee to snatch it.
If teams need the ref as well to beat cross then the standard outside cross must be pretty poor to say the least.
The most obvious quote to use is this one, when you lost the rag and admitted you were from cross...
Quote from: goh4205 on May 12, 2008, 10:38:54 PM
A bit like the "Drive it home to them" that was liberally shouted when you beat us by 17 points that day a few years back. You are right in one thing, it means fcuk all squared come championship, and I think Cross will know that better than most and not let a big win go to their heads. I would reckon that only 3-4 of the Cross team from Sunday will pay championship against you anyway.
As for the lad kicking it into the net after scoring the goal, jaysus give the lad a break, it's not everyday you score a goal against Cross, he must have been fierce proud of himself and overcome with emotion
That must have been what it was BC1, funny cross scored 2 goals and non of the 2 lads who scored acted like that, but as you say since they don't often score points against cross, apart from the occassion you mention never mind goals he probably thought he was doctor who
At this early stage in the season, how are things shaping out? Does anyone look like making a serious concerted effort to break the Cross dominance?
The Keady delight has returned :D :D :D :D
Thought i offended you TheGAA last time you posted. Perhaps you & corn02 are the same person? if i was from Cross I wouldn't be denying it either lad.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 16, 2008, 12:52:43 PM
Quote from: AFS on December 16, 2008, 12:42:25 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on December 16, 2008, 01:04:41 AM
Not a bit of it, after being thoroughly outplayed the first day, in an effort( not to be pushed around) they make a physical statement of intent, get beaten upo and lose. Like I said braindead. No gameplan, no lateral thinking just typical macho Ulster club football I can hit harder than you even if you're 2 stone heavier than me. Well Balinderry found they couldn't. I thought they were very very disappointing over the 2 days with the amount of inter county experience at their disposal. They had no gameplan either day, and that fault lies with the management who somehow came to the conclusion that a physical appraoch was best. mindboggling.
This isn't really true INDIANA. You seem to put a lot of Cross' success down to their physical prowess, while seemingly ignoring that they can play a bit too. Its worth remembering that 8 or 9 or Cross' starting 15 would not break the six foot mark, so branding them as a sort of band of ferocious ogres is wide of the mark. Their makeup is quite similar to most good teams around the country, they have their big guys that can hit and they have their footballers too.
The thing is AFS that teh smaller guys can hit hard too, and are very good at tackling in groups. Much of the "hard" persona of the team was built on the earlier teams. It is still the same few that are the mainstays of the physical side of their game, but the younger lads are well fit to hold their own. It is noticeable how many of them are able to break tackles and stay in possession of the ball. That is a core strength that is formed from playing games at a high intensity over a sustained period, similar to the KK hurlers.
BC can I ask you a question, the perception amongst many is that Cross (and indeed Armagh) spend a lot of time in the gym bulking up and that this results in a physical advantage for Cross. I have my doubts as to whether Cross spend any more time or do anything different in the gym than most other serious club teams, would that be fair to say or am I underestimating Cross' devotion to gym work?
Quote from: Zulu on December 16, 2008, 01:25:36 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 16, 2008, 12:52:43 PM
Quote from: AFS on December 16, 2008, 12:42:25 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on December 16, 2008, 01:04:41 AM
Not a bit of it, after being thoroughly outplayed the first day, in an effort( not to be pushed around) they make a physical statement of intent, get beaten upo and lose. Like I said braindead. No gameplan, no lateral thinking just typical macho Ulster club football I can hit harder than you even if you're 2 stone heavier than me. Well Balinderry found they couldn't. I thought they were very very disappointing over the 2 days with the amount of inter county experience at their disposal. They had no gameplan either day, and that fault lies with the management who somehow came to the conclusion that a physical appraoch was best. mindboggling.
This isn't really true INDIANA. You seem to put a lot of Cross' success down to their physical prowess, while seemingly ignoring that they can play a bit too. Its worth remembering that 8 or 9 or Cross' starting 15 would not break the six foot mark, so branding them as a sort of band of ferocious ogres is wide of the mark. Their makeup is quite similar to most good teams around the country, they have their big guys that can hit and they have their footballers too.
The thing is AFS that teh smaller guys can hit hard too, and are very good at tackling in groups. Much of the "hard" persona of the team was built on the earlier teams. It is still the same few that are the mainstays of the physical side of their game, but the younger lads are well fit to hold their own. It is noticeable how many of them are able to break tackles and stay in possession of the ball. That is a core strength that is formed from playing games at a high intensity over a sustained period, similar to the KK hurlers.
BC can I ask you a question, the perception amongst many is that Cross (and indeed Armagh) spend a lot of time in the gym bulking up and that this results in a physical advantage for Cross. I have my doubts as to whether Cross spend any more time or do anything different in the gym than most other serious club teams, would that be fair to say or am I underestimating Cross' devotion to gym work?
Zulu - I'd say you're right - ok they have a few big strong men alright but they're not all muscle men - they haven't gone from 1995 until now winning Armagh, Ulsters and AIs by just pumping weights - they're serious footballers, with serious attitude, heart, drive and commitment.
I was told by a very prominent Ulster coach that they spend heavily on it. But if its bullshit that's fine. But having seen them up close in Navan last year , they absolutely dwarfed our lads in most areas in terms of physical strength.
Quote from: Zulu on December 16, 2008, 01:25:36 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 16, 2008, 12:52:43 PM
Quote from: AFS on December 16, 2008, 12:42:25 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on December 16, 2008, 01:04:41 AM
Not a bit of it, after being thoroughly outplayed the first day, in an effort( not to be pushed around) they make a physical statement of intent, get beaten upo and lose. Like I said braindead. No gameplan, no lateral thinking just typical macho Ulster club football I can hit harder than you even if you're 2 stone heavier than me. Well Balinderry found they couldn't. I thought they were very very disappointing over the 2 days with the amount of inter county experience at their disposal. They had no gameplan either day, and that fault lies with the management who somehow came to the conclusion that a physical appraoch was best. mindboggling.
This isn't really true INDIANA. You seem to put a lot of Cross' success down to their physical prowess, while seemingly ignoring that they can play a bit too. Its worth remembering that 8 or 9 or Cross' starting 15 would not break the six foot mark, so branding them as a sort of band of ferocious ogres is wide of the mark. Their makeup is quite similar to most good teams around the country, they have their big guys that can hit and they have their footballers too.
The thing is AFS that teh smaller guys can hit hard too, and are very good at tackling in groups. Much of the "hard" persona of the team was built on the earlier teams. It is still the same few that are the mainstays of the physical side of their game, but the younger lads are well fit to hold their own. It is noticeable how many of them are able to break tackles and stay in possession of the ball. That is a core strength that is formed from playing games at a high intensity over a sustained period, similar to the KK hurlers.
BC can I ask you a question, the perception amongst many is that Cross (and indeed Armagh) spend a lot of time in the gym bulking up and that this results in a physical advantage for Cross. I have my doubts as to whether Cross spend any more time or do anything different in the gym than most other serious club teams, would that be fair to say or am I underestimating Cross' devotion to gym work?
Zulu, I am gone from the squad 3 years now, but during my time we did our own thing in the gym if we wanted but we did no pre-season programmes the way some teams do. When I was a student I would have been in the gym twice a week maybe, but never doing any crazy weights. Some toning, step and cross trainer work, but no heavy lifting. The only heavy bulk weight I did were from my legs. I would say some of the younger lads would do gym work, but the older ones certainly wouldn't. Much of the strength is like I said from playing at a high level for a sustained period, which has consequently built up a core strength.
Most of the stuff was done on the field and involved hard running and piles of bricks in the corner :P
So it is not true that JD and Francie have bullock tossing competitions!
Quote from: armaghniac on December 16, 2008, 01:52:51 PM
So it is not true that JD and Francie have bullock tossing competitions!
I heard they do ! And Donaldson wins nearly every time ! ;)
Quote from: orangeman on December 16, 2008, 01:55:53 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 16, 2008, 01:52:51 PM
So it is not true that JD and Francie have bullock tossing competitions!
I heard they do ! And Donaldson wins nearly every time ! ;)
Only to pass the time before training :P
Quote from: INDIANA on December 16, 2008, 01:34:10 PM
I was told by a very prominent Ulster coach that they spend heavily on it. But if its bullshit that's fine. But having seen them up close in Navan last year , they absolutely dwarfed our lads in most areas in terms of physical strength.
You are fons of your "Ulster Coaches and your coaching techniques", Think you need a couple of them down your neck of the woods!
The gym thing is bit of a myth with cross and the armagh team. cross have a few naturally big, physical players down their spine but everyone on the team is aggressive and physical, irrespective of size. the mcentees would be naturally physical freaks and there were originally cunningham and cumiskey, who were just big lads. the other two are obviously bellew and jd, who are manual workers and that is becoming more of an anomily these days.
similarly with armagh, the gym thing was assumed because armagh had such a big team but they really just had a generation of big lads and the gym myth piggy backed. obviosly fellas like mcgeeney, mcnulty and mcgrane were disciples of the weights but the rest, like hughes, marsden, mckeever, clarke, o'rourke, mcdonnell, bellew, etc were just strong lads.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 16, 2008, 02:00:39 PM
Quote from: orangeman on December 16, 2008, 01:55:53 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 16, 2008, 01:52:51 PM
So it is not true that JD and Francie have bullock tossing competitions!
I heard they do ! And Donaldson wins nearly every time ! ;)
Only to pass the time before training :P
Any truth that Bellew headbutts bullocks?
Quote from: seamusthebard on December 16, 2008, 02:33:47 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 16, 2008, 02:00:39 PM
Quote from: orangeman on December 16, 2008, 01:55:53 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 16, 2008, 01:52:51 PM
So it is not true that JD and Francie have bullock tossing competitions!
I heard they do ! And Donaldson wins nearly every time ! ;)
Only to pass the time before training :P
Any truth that Bellew headbutts bullocks?
Did you mean bollocks ?
Quoteand there were originally cunningham and cumiskey, who were just big lads.
fortunately for the opposition some of these mighty men have retired
QuoteDid you mean bollocks ?
he
couldn't wouldn't stoop that low.
Quote from: armaghniac on December 16, 2008, 03:44:05 PM
Quoteand there were originally cunningham and cumiskey, who were just big lads.
fortunately for the opposition some of these mighty men have retired
QuoteDid you mean bollocks ?
he couldn't wouldn't stoop that low.
Would he not ? I'd say he would if he had to. ;) He'd do anything for the cause. Legend.
Quote from: orangeman on December 16, 2008, 04:00:09 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 16, 2008, 03:44:05 PM
Quoteand there were originally cunningham and cumiskey, who were just big lads.
fortunately for the opposition some of these mighty men have retired
QuoteDid you mean bollocks ?
he couldn't wouldn't stoop that low.
For one of the most respected posters on the board orangeman, I am a wee bit taken aback at your attitude towards Darren Conway who remember, didn't touch anyone and in your words "legend" Bellew whose act of thuggery on Sunday and before seems to be in the lesser echelons of bad behaviour. This would appear to be the attitude of not only the posters on here but also the media who would appear to be disregarding Bellews actions. Could you explain to me how i'm getting it so wrong.
Would he not ? I'd say he would if he had to. ;) He'd do anything for the cause. Legend.
QuoteFor one of the most respected posters on the board orangeman
:D
Francie does kind of enjoy legendary status - but yes he should have walked on Sunday - no need for what he did.
You know what I mean by legend - it's a turn of phrase - not to be taken literally. You understand, I know you do - a bit like Big Niall - another legend.
Quote from: The GAA on December 16, 2008, 04:57:26 PM
QuoteFor one of the most respected posters on the board orangeman
:D
Got a laugh out of that myself...
Quote from: goh4205 on December 16, 2008, 12:58:25 PM
The Keady delight has returned :D :D :D :D
Thought i offended you TheGAA last time you posted. Perhaps you & corn02 are the same person? if i was from Cross I wouldn't be denying it either lad.
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Yep same person. And, like you, I am pretending to be from another club. Go Keady.
The Cross team are not a pack of Ivan Dragos, but they are fairly physical. There would be a fair few teams that would be just as big and strong, but I think someone hit the nail on the head when they said their spine is very phsical.
Bellew, Donalson, McEntee, McKenna, McEntee and maybe Short.
McKenna hasn't been seen to take big hits but I am sure he can handle himself. As for the rest of that spine, there are some hard hitters there. You don;t often seen many of them come out second in a 50/50.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 15, 2008, 08:06:18 PM
I heard tonight what happened. It is as most are stating, a Ballinderry sub came from behind and hit a Cross sub on the way into the dressing room. He got a slap from one of the other subs and then the row escalated. I know the names of those involved but am not posting them. On viewing the video on the news, I'm not sure if much use of it can be made, as it is very difficult to identify anyone clearly doing anything other than pushing. WHoever it was who was wearing the luminous green gloves seems to have been the most "active". ;)
Over the last two weeks I have resisted the temptation to post. This in spite of what I see as some horribly one sided, biased reporting in huge sections of the media and here.
I also heard what happened first hand, and it is remarkably similar to the above except from the opposite stand point. Players from both teams were ambling towards the changing rooms, when the Cross subs, on mass, ran quickly towards the tunnel. One of our subs was pushed to the ground from behind, and on getting up, was floored by a second sub.
Another Ballinderry sub was trailed towards the Cross door by a member of a prominent Cross family. All hell then broke loose, with players from both sides trading punches.
When the punch up started, I have been told it was 50/50. Thankfully, we had some boys in there who wouldn't be easily bullied. The whole episode, however, was started by the Cross subs first strike.
So why have I chosen to post now? The inconsistencies reported over both matches have become incredibly galling. I can accept that Darren Conways play acting in the first game was not good, but please stop with the whiter than white shit that is being spouted regarding Cross.
If we can accept that Darren's actions were poor, what of Bellew's headbut, McEntee's elbow, McKeown's off the ball charge, Tony Kernans dive to get Wilkinson sent off the first day?
Don't get me wrong, they were worthy victors. But their greatest victory is that of their PR machine, which puts forward the opinion that these boys are some sort of modern day footballing angels. They are winners, for which they deserve credit. However, for some of their other actions, they at least deserve parity with their opponents in the column inches.
Quote from: corn02 on December 16, 2008, 07:07:06 PM
Quote from: goh4205 on December 16, 2008, 12:58:25 PM
The Keady delight has returned :D :D :D :D
Thought i offended you TheGAA last time you posted. Perhaps you & corn02 are the same person? if i was from Cross I wouldn't be denying it either lad.
Yep same person. And, like you, I am pretending to be from another club. Go Keady.
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You just don't get it do ya!!
Quote from corn 02 on Dec 15
The Cross fans would have a reputation for being a bad bunch.
This is not the general consensus in the county. You are the only Armagh poster who continually criticises the Cross support.
I am not going to pretend that they are perfect as every club has a few "eejits" but they are far from being the worst behaved in the county.
Mind you there are a good few slobbers among the Dromintee faithful.
That aside, i have been watching football for over 30 years and Ballinderry have the worst behaved supporters i have ever witnessed.
I moved at half time in both the drawn game and the replay to get away from foul mouthed supporters but each time it was a case of out of the frying pan and into the fire.
Quote from: crossfire on December 16, 2008, 08:53:26 PM
That aside, i have been watching football for over 30 years and Ballinderry have the worst behaved supporters i have ever witnessed.
I moved at half time in both the drawn game and the replay to get away from foul mouthed supporters but each time it was a case of out of the frying pan and into the fire.
POT / KETTLE / BLACK
f**k me but that is priceless.
Quote from: crossfire on December 16, 2008, 08:53:26 PM
Quote from corn 02 on Dec 15
The Cross fans would have a reputation for being a bad bunch.
This is not the general consensus in the county. You are the only Armagh poster who continually criticises the Cross support.
I am not going to pretend that they are perfect as every club has a few "eejits" but they are far from being the worst behaved in the county.
Mind you there are a good few slobbers among the Dromintee faithful.
That aside, i have been watching football for over 30 years and Ballinderry have the worst behaved supporters i have ever witnessed.
I moved at half time in both the drawn game and the replay to get away from foul mouthed supporters but each time it was a case of out of the frying pan and into the fire.
I think the Cross fans are the worst in the county as well.
Thats a bit rich coming from a Cullyhanna man.
You would nearly need a suit of armour to go to a game down there.
There are idiot supporters everywhere, and I know there are a good few in Cross, so that is a non argument. The whole "who're the greatest fans?" is the sort of crap that Norn Iron supporters come out with!
Of course there is biased posting on here DoYerJob. There is an old phrase "history is written by the victors", the same thing in sport. Whatever about the failings of Cross, we are highly regarded throughout Ireland. The incidents that you refer to have been debated on here. Very few, me included have condoned Francie. Some outright condemn him, others less so. Many people have castigated John Mac for an alleged elbow. I saw alleged as I did not see it and will not comment on it. The same with the alleged charge in the back by I think it was Skinny McKeown. I did not see it and will not comment on it, but others have condemned it so I don't see your point.
As regards the tunnel incident, the second half of your statement is close to what I was told. I do not know if what you say is correct in that a Ballinderry sub was knocked over first. What I was told was a first hand account of someone involved and he may or may not have seen everything, the same way as your eyewitness may or may not have seen everything. Anyway, it is a matter of opinion again as to who started it, without clear first hand knowledge through video footage or personally witnessing it.
As regards Tony Kernan diving, I think it is accepted that he was struck by Wilkinson. The ref had a clearer view of it than anyone, and if he did push/strike then it is a minimum yellow and as he was already on one there was no option other than to send him off.
Cross are not whiter than white and no one is trying to suggest that we are. Conversely we are not the devil incarnate that are destroying the game, as some southern people have suggested(not here mind you). We play the game as hard as we physically can and sometimes that goes over the boundaries. So do Kerry, so do Tyrone, so do Chelsea, the ALl Blacks, Munster, any great team plays to the limit of the rules. This is not a new phenomenon and has been a part of competitive sport for as long as I remember. The reason Cross get so much flack is because due to our success we are in the limelight more than any other team and play in more high profile games than other teams, and consequently our indiscretions(which there are some) are magnified to the nth degree. I hear it a lot in Cork and to be honest it is the reason why Cork footballers will not win an AI in the near future. All fine players but not enough to help Canty and O'Leary get stuck in.
Ballinderry are a fine side, and would have been within a kick of a win if Enda had been playing. I have great respect for many of the players who I have played against at club level and even as far back as schools football when I would have played against the like of Ronan McGuckian for Maghera. I would hope that they realise that they are a much better team than they showed last Sunday, as they got a small bit carried away with the hard man approach, when it was clear that football would have been a better option for them.
Quote from: crossfire on December 16, 2008, 09:18:04 PM
Thats a bit rich coming from a Cullyhanna man.
You would nearly need a suit of armour to go to a game down there.
Well Corn obviously thinks its a lot worse in Cross.
I think Cross suffer from more of a bandwagon element than other clubs do, mainly due to their success and there tends be more an element of mouthy ill-informed supporters at their matches who give the impression that they don't know a thing about football. To an extent, Cross' support is more like a county's, both in terms of numbers and bandwagoners.
I'd have been to a brave few games in the past couple of years and I only time I've ever gotten into a verbal row with another supporter was with an idiot from Cross who thought it'd be hilarious to start roaring abuse at Ciaran McKeever at a club match. I wouldn't mind so much except Ciaran wasn't playing due to Armagh commitments so this clown started shouting at him to tog out if he was any man at all or something along those lines. Of course the fact that Oisin, Francie et al weren't togged out for the same reason as Ciaran wouldn't even have crossed the idiot's mind.
Obviously BC1 is right in that every club has its element.
Quote from: crossfire on December 16, 2008, 09:18:04 PM
Thats a bit rich coming from a Cullyhanna man.
You would nearly need a suit of armour to go to a game down there.
Ah a gum shield a boxing gloves would do you.
elements of the cross support are pretty bad but it's generally the same ones who refer to their players by the numbers on their backs!
The more successful you are the more idiots you attract.
Worst supporters I've ever experienced, club or county - Donaghmore!
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 16, 2008, 09:32:32 PM
Very few, me included have condoned Francie. Some outright condemn him, others less so.
but others have condemned it so I don't see your point.
As regards the tunnel incident, the second half of your statement is close to what I was told. I do not know if what you say is correct in that a Ballinderry sub was knocked over first. What I was told was a first hand account of someone involved and he may or may not have seen everything, the same way as your eyewitness may or may not have seen everything. Anyway, it is a matter of opinion again as to who started it, without clear first hand knowledge through video footage or personally witnessing it.
As regards Tony Kernan diving, I think it is accepted that he was struck by Wilkinson. The ref had a clearer view of it than anyone, and if he did push/strike then it is a minimum yellow and as he was already on one there was no option other than to send him off.
I would hope that they realise that they are a much better team than they showed last Sunday, as they got a small bit carried away with the hard man approach, when it was clear that football would have been a better option for them.
Your reply is a reasonable and eloquent one, and naturally comes from a biased viewpoint, as does mine. I have some issues with the qoutes above:
Firstly, Francies headbutt has been met with a fraction of the uproar that Conways dive was given. This sickens me to be honest, as I think Francie has "disgraced" himself at least as much as Darren had.
Regarding the tunnel incident, my info comes from our sub who was pushed and then punched to the ground.t
Thirdly, I accept that Conor Wilkinson hit Tony Kernan, in the STOMACH. Tony fell to the ground holding his face, and was still holding his face as the ref booked himself and Conor. This is playacting in my book, the same crime as Conway/
I, finally, do accept that we are a better team than we showed last Sunday. However, the hard man approach you speak off was used in abundance by Cross, on many occasions, more so than us I would argue.
We are not going to agree on this as we come from polar opposite view points . My beef is not with you BC1, but more with sections of the printed media. Martin McHugh, Brendan Crossan and Kenny Archer, to name but a few, were outraged and very outspoken after the drawn game regarding Darren Conway. Why is this outrage not transferrable to Fraincie? Surely this is a valid point?
Quote from: DoYerJob Linesman on December 16, 2008, 09:53:33 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 16, 2008, 09:32:32 PM
Very few, me included have condoned Francie. Some outright condemn him, others less so.
but others have condemned it so I don't see your point.
As regards the tunnel incident, the second half of your statement is close to what I was told. I do not know if what you say is correct in that a Ballinderry sub was knocked over first. What I was told was a first hand account of someone involved and he may or may not have seen everything, the same way as your eyewitness may or may not have seen everything. Anyway, it is a matter of opinion again as to who started it, without clear first hand knowledge through video footage or personally witnessing it.
As regards Tony Kernan diving, I think it is accepted that he was struck by Wilkinson. The ref had a clearer view of it than anyone, and if he did push/strike then it is a minimum yellow and as he was already on one there was no option other than to send him off.
I would hope that they realise that they are a much better team than they showed last Sunday, as they got a small bit carried away with the hard man approach, when it was clear that football would have been a better option for them.
Your reply is a reasonable and eloquent one, and naturally comes from a biased viewpoint, as does mine. I have some issues with the qoutes above:
Firstly, Francies headbutt has been met with a fraction of the uproar that Conways dive was given. This sickens me to be honest, as I think Francie has "disgraced" himself at least as much as Darren had.
Regarding the tunnel incident, my info comes from our sub who was pushed and then punched to the ground.t
Thirdly, I accept that Conor Wilkinson hit Tony Kernan, in the STOMACH. Tony fell to the ground holding his face, and was still holding his face as the ref booked himself and Conor. This is playacting in my book, the same crime as Conway/
I, finally, do accept that we are a better team than we showed last Sunday. However, the hard man approach you speak off was used in abundance by Cross, on many occasions, more so than us I would argue.
We are not going to agree on this as we come from polar opposite view points . My beef is not with you BC1, but more with sections of the printed media. Martin McHugh, Brendan Crossan and Kenny Archer, to name but a few, were outraged and very outspoken after the drawn game regarding Darren Conway. Why is this outrage not transferrable to Fraincie? Surely this is a valid point?
both you & BC make very good points on all the incidents, but regarding your view of the tunnel issue, your sub is telling a porky & i don't make that point lightly. I seen the incident & the B/derry sub struck first as I stated before, this is what kicked it all off.
Seems like your trying to do your own bit of PR for the club Doyourjob.
If its all the same to you, I choose to believe my source.
There is not one completely unbiased opinion in any argument as each individual has their own agenda, no matter how small it may be.
I do not condone Francie's actions, but as an old friend I refuse to get involved in ripping into him either. I have said he should not have done what he did and if anyone knows that better than him, I would be surprised. In the end the referee made a call and hopped the ball instead of giving him the free. It would be interesting to see his report at the meeting tonight.
Like you, I do not question my source in respect of the tunnel incident, but it comes down to who saw what and when. What happened to the the Ballinderry sub may well have happened as you describe, but did he see everything that happened in the build up to what happened to him. I would hazard a guess at no. The truth of any event is deciphered from a cumulation of descriptions and opinions. Once these have all been gathered together and torn apart and then put back together, then you will have about half of the truth. The simple fact is that something happened and the blame game that has been rife is wrong, as at the end of things it will make no difference to the result and will not give anyone a sense of satisfaction.
Are both clubs expecting any suspensions or fines ( not that I'm advocating that by the way ) ?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 16, 2008, 10:38:55 PM
There is not one completely unbiased opinion in any argument as each individual has their own agenda, no matter how small it may be.
I do not condone Francie's actions, but as an old friend I refuse to get involved in ripping into him either. I have said he should not have done what he did and if anyone knows that better than him, I would be surprised. In the end the referee made a call and hopped the ball instead of giving him the free. It would be interesting to see his report at the meeting tonight.
Like you, I do not question my source in respect of the tunnel incident, but it comes down to who saw what and when. What happened to the the Ballinderry sub may well have happened as you describe, but did he see everything that happened in the build up to what happened to him. I would hazard a guess at no. The truth of any event is deciphered from a cumulation of descriptions and opinions. Once these have all been gathered together and torn apart and then put back together, then you will have about half of the truth. The simple fact is that something happened and the blame game that has been rife is wrong, as at the end of things it will make no difference to the result and will not give anyone a sense of satisfaction.
I'll PM you my mobile number and we'll talk into the wee hours... :D
Disappointed with the game on Sunday as I was hoping of a match
to equal the one a fortnight earlier. First half was brutal with no
football played. Unfortunately for B'derry, they scored their goal
too early in the second half. Might have put a bit of pressure on Cross if there
were ten minutes to go. Cross were majestic and squeezed
the life out of B'derry in the last fifteen minutes. Like one
of those wildlife programmes featuring a Python and a gazelle.
Not sure what generates that sort of hunger, but maybe it's
as simple as success breeding success. Or a python liking
the taste of a gazelle.
Good to see a full blooded game. Seeped into the crowd a bit
in the first half, but it's club football in December. Half of one
and six of one of the other as far as the crowd were concerned.
Be good to witness a few more games like this and less of the
oul basketball. God forbid that emotions run high. B'derry had
a lot of childer amongst their supporters and didn't think much of their booing
Aaron Kernan taking free's, leave that to the soccer. Though
it probably annoyed me more than Aaron. But he did miss.
Fair play to referee and linesmen. Difficult game to call, but I
think, after an initial cagey ten minutes, he got it about right.
The Francie incident looks worse in the replay. Personally thought
there was an incident where a cross player came sliding into the
back of a B'derry player that was a lot worse. But there were
a lot of incidents that look worse on TV. At the time its just
football, both giving it all. Too much television post
analyis and retribution and all ebb and flow will be gone.
Sure, punish the obviously guilty, (Francie), but remember
its club football, its December, there's an Ulster title at stake.
More Ulster Club football please!
Sorry if I've stated the bleedin obvious!
The Ulster Council has asked Crossmaglen and Ballinderry to explain the scenes which marred Sunday's provincial club final replay.
The provincial body discussed the issue at a scheduled meeting on Tuesday night and referee Brian Crowe's match report was heard.
A brawl broke out in the tunnel at Brewster Park as the players headed to the dressing-room at half-time.
TV replays didn't appear to indicate the precise culprits.
There were also reports of disturbances in the crowd among supporters.
Referees usually have three days to submit their match reports but Crowe was asked to have his account ready for Tuesday's meeting.
Following Tuesday's discussions, the Ulster Council investigation appears unlikely to be concluded until after Christmas.
Crossmaglen won their third successive AIB Ulster Club title in Sunday's game.
Adrian Mc Guckin in today's IN says that Francie should have been sent off.
He probably should have been but it shows that you have to be very careful what you say to the journos !
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both you & BC make very good points on all the incidents, but regarding your view of the tunnel issue, your sub is telling a porky & i don't make that point lightly. I seen the incident & the B/derry sub struck first as I stated before, this is what kicked it all off.
Seems like your trying to do your own bit of PR for the club Doyourjob.
You dont seem to miss much, but you were reporting nonsense from the Harps v Cross semi, so I wouldn't believe your oath.
I find Cross supporters a bit arrogant, but they've certainly earned the right to be - not the blow in supporters.
Quote from: DoYerJob Linesman on December 16, 2008, 08:51:15 PM
I also heard what happened first hand, and it is remarkably similar to the above except from the opposite stand point. Players from both teams were ambling towards the changing rooms, when the Cross subs, on mass, ran quickly towards the tunnel. One of our subs was pushed to the ground from behind, and on getting up, was floored by a second sub.
Aside from the phonetic spelling of en masse, I would agree with what you posted. It was this stampede that I was most concerned with and why I suggest that the melee had been pre-planned or at the very least discussed by one of the squads involved.
Quote from: DoYerJob Linesman on December 16, 2008, 08:51:15 PM
Don't get me wrong, they were worthy victors. But their greatest victory is that of their PR machine, which puts forward the opinion that these boys are some sort of modern day footballing angels. They are winners, for which they deserve credit. However, for some of their other actions, they at least deserve parity with their opponents in the column inches.
Hard to argue with any of that comment either DYJL.
Quote from: bennydorano on December 17, 2008, 09:42:51 AM
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both you & BC make very good points on all the incidents, but regarding your view of the tunnel issue, your sub is telling a porky & i don't make that point lightly. I seen the incident & the B/derry sub struck first as I stated before, this is what kicked it all off.
Seems like your trying to do your own bit of PR for the club Doyourjob.
You dont seem to miss much, but you were reporting nonsense from the Harps v Cross semi, so I wouldn't believe your oath.
what Nonsence was that Benny.
I find Cross supporters a bit arrogant, but they've certainly earned the right to be - not the blow in supporters.
So are you implying if you went to a game as a neutral that would restrict you from commenting on that game?
Neutral? :D Regular posters on the Armagh Club thread might argue that point. A blow in Cross supporter would be a better description.
Jesus will you give up on this neutral craic goh. you're fooling noone
Quote from: goh4205 on December 16, 2008, 10:27:42 PM
Quote from: DoYerJob Linesman on December 16, 2008, 09:53:33 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 16, 2008, 09:32:32 PM
Very few, me included have condoned Francie. Some outright condemn him, others less so.
but others have condemned it so I don't see your point.
As regards the tunnel incident, the second half of your statement is close to what I was told. I do not know if what you say is correct in that a Ballinderry sub was knocked over first. What I was told was a first hand account of someone involved and he may or may not have seen everything, the same way as your eyewitness may or may not have seen everything. Anyway, it is a matter of opinion again as to who started it, without clear first hand knowledge through video footage or personally witnessing it.
As regards Tony Kernan diving, I think it is accepted that he was struck by Wilkinson. The ref had a clearer view of it than anyone, and if he did push/strike then it is a minimum yellow and as he was already on one there was no option other than to send him off.
I would hope that they realise that they are a much better team than they showed last Sunday, as they got a small bit carried away with the hard man approach, when it was clear that football would have been a better option for them.
Your reply is a reasonable and eloquent one, and naturally comes from a biased viewpoint, as does mine. I have some issues with the qoutes above:
Firstly, Francies headbutt has been met with a fraction of the uproar that Conways dive was given. This sickens me to be honest, as I think Francie has "disgraced" himself at least as much as Darren had.
Regarding the tunnel incident, my info comes from our sub who was pushed and then punched to the ground.t
Thirdly, I accept that Conor Wilkinson hit Tony Kernan, in the STOMACH. Tony fell to the ground holding his face, and was still holding his face as the ref booked himself and Conor. This is playacting in my book, the same crime as Conway/
I, finally, do accept that we are a better team than we showed last Sunday. However, the hard man approach you speak off was used in abundance by Cross, on many occasions, more so than us I would argue.
We are not going to agree on this as we come from polar opposite view points . My beef is not with you BC1, but more with sections of the printed media. Martin McHugh, Brendan Crossan and Kenny Archer, to name but a few, were outraged and very outspoken after the drawn game regarding Darren Conway. Why is this outrage not transferrable to Fraincie? Surely this is a valid point?
both you & BC make very good points on all the incidents, but regarding your view of the tunnel issue, your sub is telling a porky & i don't make that point lightly. I seen the incident & the B/derry sub struck first as I stated before, this is what kicked it all off.
Seems like your trying to do your own bit of PR for the club Doyourjob.
Sooooooooooo............GOH Out of all the people on here, and I believe there are a few who were actually closer to the incident than they want us to know, with you not being a Crossmaglen Supporter and with it nearly being impossible to see from anywhere in Brewster Park that day, your really not from Crossmaglen thenor involved with them someway perhaps?
Quote from: Joxer on December 17, 2008, 10:42:52 AM
Quote from: goh4205 on December 16, 2008, 10:27:42 PM
Quote from: DoYerJob Linesman on December 16, 2008, 09:53:33 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 16, 2008, 09:32:32 PM
Very few, me included have condoned Francie. Some outright condemn him, others less so.
but others have condemned it so I don't see your point.
As regards the tunnel incident, the second half of your statement is close to what I was told. I do not know if what you say is correct in that a Ballinderry sub was knocked over first. What I was told was a first hand account of someone involved and he may or may not have seen everything, the same way as your eyewitness may or may not have seen everything. Anyway, it is a matter of opinion again as to who started it, without clear first hand knowledge through video footage or personally witnessing it.
As regards Tony Kernan diving, I think it is accepted that he was struck by Wilkinson. The ref had a clearer view of it than anyone, and if he did push/strike then it is a minimum yellow and as he was already on one there was no option other than to send him off.
I would hope that they realise that they are a much better team than they showed last Sunday, as they got a small bit carried away with the hard man approach, when it was clear that football would have been a better option for them.
Your reply is a reasonable and eloquent one, and naturally comes from a biased viewpoint, as does mine. I have some issues with the qoutes above:
Firstly, Francies headbutt has been met with a fraction of the uproar that Conways dive was given. This sickens me to be honest, as I think Francie has "disgraced" himself at least as much as Darren had.
Regarding the tunnel incident, my info comes from our sub who was pushed and then punched to the ground.t
Thirdly, I accept that Conor Wilkinson hit Tony Kernan, in the STOMACH. Tony fell to the ground holding his face, and was still holding his face as the ref booked himself and Conor. This is playacting in my book, the same crime as Conway/
I, finally, do accept that we are a better team than we showed last Sunday. However, the hard man approach you speak off was used in abundance by Cross, on many occasions, more so than us I would argue.
We are not going to agree on this as we come from polar opposite view points . My beef is not with you BC1, but more with sections of the printed media. Martin McHugh, Brendan Crossan and Kenny Archer, to name but a few, were outraged and very outspoken after the drawn game regarding Darren Conway. Why is this outrage not transferrable to Fraincie? Surely this is a valid point?
both you & BC make very good points on all the incidents, but regarding your view of the tunnel issue, your sub is telling a porky & i don't make that point lightly. I seen the incident & the B/derry sub struck first as I stated before, this is what kicked it all off.
Seems like your trying to do your own bit of PR for the club Doyourjob.
Sooooooooooo............GOH Out of all the people on here, and I believe there are a few who were actually closer to the incident than they want us to know, with you not being a Crossmaglen Supporter and with it nearly being impossible to see from anywhere in Brewster Park that day, your really not from Crossmaglen thenor involved with them someway perhaps?
No Joxer I'm not. I was standing at the bottom end goals right beside the fence on the way into the tunnel, so i had a clear view as i said. I don't know the name of the Cross sub that got the first belt, but I do know the name of the other cross sub who ran after the B/derry sub and floored him. As the other players came in, it just went from there. To be honest I didn't see that many punches thrown, it was more pushing & shoving really.
He's a player all right. always seems to be sitting in wee nook or cranny which allows him to see things in cross games that noone else in the ground sees
Quote from: crossfire on December 16, 2008, 08:53:26 PM
Quote from corn 02 on Dec 15
The Cross fans would have a reputation for being a bad bunch.
This is not the general consensus in the county. You are the only Armagh poster who continually criticises the Cross support.
I am not going to pretend that they are perfect as every club has a few "eejits" but they are far from being the worst behaved in the county.
Mind you there are a good few slobbers among the Dromintee faithful.
That aside, i have been watching football for over 30 years and Ballinderry have the worst behaved supporters i have ever witnessed.
I moved at half time in both the drawn game and the replay to get away from foul mouthed supporters but each time it was a case of out of the frying pan and into the fire.
Thats actually pretty funny Crossfire. I have been to quite a few Cross games this year both Inside and outside Armagh and I can say for certain that The Cross fans can be very foul mouthed and in your face with plenty of very abusive and aggressive individuals cheering and jeering. (there are also many decent Cross supporters who chat away with you no probs)
However they are nowhere near the worst Armagh Club fans I have experienced, the wonderful honour is between Pearse Ogs and Armagh Harps. Both these sets of fans are the worst I have ever come across in Club Football anywhere. Now I do Realise that all Clubs have their Head the Balls and and that both these clubs have genuinely good supporters also, but Having been at plenty of Ogs and Harps games over the last number of years, both clubs have a very sizeable unsavoury element.
Being at Ogs games and being at Harps games has introduced me to a level of bad manners, abuse, jeering, bad language and name calling (to players and officials) that I find most uncomfortable. Both teams seem to attract a strangely large number of sc**bags and dodgy characters, which is probably due to being from a large town, and after some of the games i have been very glad to be leaving the pitch. What I find the most dissapointing about this is, the fact that although both teams are nowhere near Crossmaglen in terms of ability, they are the next best teams in Armagh, and are probably the only ones with any hope of putting it up to cross in the near future, and the antics of there fans are definately not a help and would also nearly make me not support the underdog in such a challenge.
At county level the Monaghan fans are by far the worst I have encountered and they just rain down vile abuse on opposing players and officials from start of games to the finish. Every foul given against them is "A complete f**king Joke" and the ref has it in for them or his parents arent married. This was particuarly amusing at the AI QF against Kerry in 2007 where the Monaghan CB was marking Gooch Cooper just in front of where I was sitting among a large Monaghan Contingent. Before the ball had even been thrown in the CB was stamping on Coopers toes, digging him in the ribs, and putting the studs down the back of his ankles.
Cooper tried not to get involved and was shouting to the umpire who was ignoring him. This was greeted by the Monaghan supporters jeering and shouting at cooper like, "dont be crying to him you wee yella B*****D, take your F**king medicine you wee Ginger C**t, Why dont you shout for your F**king Mammy you wee ginger bollocks". This only encouraged the CB who proceeded to punch Cooper in the ribs and pull his jersey when he tried to move, wrestling him to the ground a couple of times. Each time the monaghan fans poured more foul mouthed expletives on Cooper and on the poor old Kerry couple (about 65+) who were sitting 2 rows in front of me.
Finally the CB punched Cooper on the back of the head (which was roundly cheered by these so called GAA fans) after another of his toe tramping and ankle stamping sessions and tried to pull Cooper to the ground but cooper pushed back this time and after a bit of wrestling Cooper overpowered the CB and pushed him to the ground. At no time did Cooper strike or attempt to strike as all he did was grab the CBs hands when he was grabbed around the neck and remove them forcing him to the ground.
The Monaghan supporters were outraged and were claiming a punch at first then it was a punch and a stamp on the ground and so the game of chineses whisper began, (by the time I got home from the game Gooch cooper had knee capped the CB and stabbed him with a knife he had hid in his Boot and it had happened as the CB had been kneeling in the corner saying a decade of the rosary). The old couple in front of me were told that Cooper was, "a wee dirty B*****d, A F**king tr**p, A Yella C**t" and the like. The Umpire was also called all the names under the sun for not doing his jb and being a biased so and so. Which was Ironic considering that these same fans were telling Cooper only 5 mins earlier that the umpire wasnt going to help him, and that was when Cooper was being wronged not like the CB who was acting the C**t and was basically pushed out of the road on this occaision.
Just in case anyone thinks these were teenagers or young people shouting the abuse, it was grown men and women and the worst was a group of about 4 men and 3 women sitting in the row between me and the Old couple, and this group were all about 45-50 years of age. What a lovely example they were setting to the young people of our association.
QuoteHowever they are nowhere near the worst Armagh Club fans I have experienced, the wonderful honour is between Pearse Ogs and Armagh Harps. Both these sets of fans are the worst I have ever come across in Club Football anywhere. Now I do Realise that all Clubs have their Head the Balls and and that both these clubs have genuinely good supporters also, but Having been at plenty of Ogs and Harps games over the last number of years, both clubs have a very sizeable unsavoury element.
Being at Ogs games and being at Harps games has introduced me to a level of bad manners, abuse, jeering, bad language and name calling (to players and officials) that I find most uncomfortable. Both teams seem to attract a strangely large number of sc**bags and dodgy characters, which is probably due to being from a large town, and after some of the games i have been very glad to be leaving the pitch. What I find the most dissapointing about this is, the fact that although both teams are nowhere near Crossmaglen in terms of ability, they are the next best teams, and are probably the only ones with any hope of putting it up to cross in the near future, and the antics of there fans are definately not a help and would also nearly make me not support the underdog in such a challenge.
I cant speak for the Ogs but I would totally refute your allegations, jugdging by it's composition I would doubt whether you've actually been to many of our games. We have a hardcore of about 50 odd who regularly attend league games whom I could name individually - I dont know any scumbags or dodgy characters who attend our games.
Maybe you could elaborate.
I dont be at as many Amagh Harps or Ogs League games but do always manage a few each year, Im talking about championship games Both clubs games against Cross this year being particuarly bad.
Quote from: The GAA on December 17, 2008, 11:03:24 AM
He's a player all right. always seems to be sitting in wee nook or cranny which allows him to see things in cross games that noone else in the ground sees
Oh shit, I'm found out ::) who could i be, Larry kerains perhaps ;D!!! if you seen the size of me, you'd know I wasn't
Quote from: crossfire on December 16, 2008, 08:53:26 PM
Quote from corn 02 on Dec 15
The Cross fans would have a reputation for being a bad bunch.
This is not the general consensus in the county. You are the only Armagh poster who continually criticises the Cross support.
I am not going to pretend that they are perfect as every club has a few "eejits" but they are far from being the worst behaved in the county.
Mind you there are a good few slobbers among the Dromintee faithful.
That aside, i have been watching football for over 30 years and Ballinderry have the worst behaved supporters i have ever witnessed.
I moved at half time in both the drawn game and the replay to get away from foul mouthed supporters but each time it was a case of out of the frying pan and into the fire.
Yes there a good few slabbers in Dromintee. But I have never seen a Dromintee fan spit at opposition fans and players as I have with Cross, I have never seen Dromintee fans with young children in tow begging their player to "crack his skull" or "leave him in a wheelchair" as I have with Cross fans. As someone said, real Cross fans can be smug, f**k knows they have enough right to be but they have the biggest majority of awful fans I have ever seen. Hand on heart they are the worst I have ever encountered at club or county. As Pints said poetically - it is the boys who know the players by their numbers and not their names.
For the record - I have always found Harps, Ogs and Cullyhanna fans spot on and I don't think they are as bad as people are making out here. But, as I say, personal opinion. Billy the Kid seeing it differently shows that everyone has an opinion on it.
QuoteAs Pints said poetically - it is the boys who know the players by their numbers and not their names.
You know I was thinking about this last night and although that is true one of the worst bullshit I've seen at a game, in the form of someone SCREAMING abuse at a player, and an u21 player at that! was from an well known, ex Cross player (no, not bc). I'll not name him but f**k me it was desperate! (They were winning well too).
Corn yon boy that does the line for yous is a f**king tube if ever there was a tube.
Harps are a roudy enough bunch butI don't ever remember any badness/abuse from them. Same with the ogs though I remember ogs ones giving out about their own linesman at a game (oddly, I don't think they realised he was their linesman!)
But lads, no one comes close to Donaghmore!
Everyone that supports the 'bridge are angels.
QuoteEveryone that supports the 'bridge are angels.
Has the last regular supporter passed away then? What about his dog?
Quote from: pintsofguinness on December 17, 2008, 07:20:08 PM
You know I was thinking about this last night and although that is true one of the worst bullshit I've seen at a game, in the form of someone SCREAMING abuse at a player, and an u21 player at that! was from an well known, ex Cross player (no, not bc). I'll not name him but f**k me it was desperate! (They were winning well too).
Corn yon boy that does the line for yous is a f**king tube if ever there was a tube.
I can guarantee you I know who the ex-Cross player is and if it is who I was thinking, he just gets a bit wound up and is apparently the most gracious Cross man to speak too - and that is what a few Dromintee people have told me. :o
Yeah our linesman wouldn't be popular at all, like the ex-Cross player he gets a bit wound up but is a great clubman and does an awful lot for us. Feck it, means I don't have to run up and down the line too.
Quote from: hardstation on December 17, 2008, 07:22:32 PM
Who wants to hear pints' story about Donaghmore?
Meeeeeeeee!
No big story hs, we played them in an ulster league game and I was quite shocked. Foul (foul really isnt strong enough to describe it) mouthed women shouting for players to be crippled, screaming abuse at players, telling the mother of one of our players she didn't rear him right etc What topped it all though was seeing a man of at least 70 years of age running a hundred yards to throw stones over wire at our dugout :-\
And all this in what was basically a friendly game. I'd hate to play them in a meaningful game.
corn
QuoteYeah our linesman wouldn't be popular at all, like the ex-Cross player he gets a bit wound up but is a great clubman and does an awful lot for us. Feck it, means I don't have to run up and down the line too.
He's a bollocks corn, wound up or not.
QuoteI can guarantee you I know who the ex-Cross player is and if it is who I was thinking, he just gets a bit wound up and is apparently the most gracious Cross man to speak too - and that is what a few Dromintee people have told me.
He's ignorant gobshite.
Quote from: billy the kid on December 17, 2008, 12:49:51 PM
However they are nowhere near the worst Armagh Club fans I have experienced, the wonderful honour is between Pearse Ogs and Armagh Harps. Both these sets of fans are the worst I have ever come across in Club Football anywhere. Now I do Realise that all Clubs have their Head the Balls and and that both these clubs have genuinely good supporters also, but Having been at plenty of Ogs and Harps games over the last number of years, both clubs have a very sizeable unsavoury element.
Being at Ogs games and being at Harps games has introduced me to a level of bad manners, abuse, jeering, bad language and name calling (to players and officials) that I find most uncomfortable. Both teams seem to attract a strangely large number of sc**bags and dodgy characters, which is probably due to being from a large town, and after some of the games i have been very glad to be leaving the pitch. What I find the most dissapointing about this is, the fact that although both teams are nowhere near Crossmaglen in terms of ability, they are the next best teams in Armagh, and are probably the only ones with any hope of putting it up to cross in the near future, and the antics of there fans are definately not a help and would also nearly make me not support the underdog in such a challenge.
Words indeed to blacken the name of the Harps Club, and if I may say, entirely in keeping with the persona that you have built up here for 'billythekid'. Like Benny earlier, I entirely refute your claims, made here under what you perceive to be a cloak of total anonymity. The words go against 'billythekid', but you yourself typed them here about our Club on this public forum. For doing that, you should hang your head in shame!
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on December 18, 2008, 12:15:38 AM
Quote from: billy the kid on December 17, 2008, 12:49:51 PM
However they are nowhere near the worst Armagh Club fans I have experienced, the wonderful honour is between Pearse Ogs and Armagh Harps. Both these sets of fans are the worst I have ever come across in Club Football anywhere. Now I do Realise that all Clubs have their Head the Balls and and that both these clubs have genuinely good supporters also, but Having been at plenty of Ogs and Harps games over the last number of years, both clubs have a very sizeable unsavoury element.
Being at Ogs games and being at Harps games has introduced me to a level of bad manners, abuse, jeering, bad language and name calling (to players and officials) that I find most uncomfortable. Both teams seem to attract a strangely large number of sc**bags and dodgy characters, which is probably due to being from a large town, and after some of the games i have been very glad to be leaving the pitch. What I find the most dissapointing about this is, the fact that although both teams are nowhere near Crossmaglen in terms of ability, they are the next best teams in Armagh, and are probably the only ones with any hope of putting it up to cross in the near future, and the antics of there fans are definately not a help and would also nearly make me not support the underdog in such a challenge.
Words indeed to blacken the name of the Harps Club, and if I may say, entirely in keeping with the persona that you have built up here for 'billythekid'. Like Benny earlier, I entirely refute your claims, made here under what you perceive to be a cloak of total anonymity. The words go against 'billythekid', but you yourself typed them here about our Club on this public forum. For doing that, you should hang your head in shame!
What is wrong with an individual talking of his encounters with other clubs and their behaviout. I thought this was a discussion forum and the behaviour of fans in Armagh. The man has been to many Armagh champinship games and is writing about his experience. Just because it is not to your liking doesn't mean it isn't true!
Quote from: screenexile on December 18, 2008, 12:41:48 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on December 18, 2008, 12:15:38 AM
Quote from: billy the kid on December 17, 2008, 12:49:51 PM
However they are nowhere near the worst Armagh Club fans I have experienced, the wonderful honour is between Pearse Ogs and Armagh Harps. Both these sets of fans are the worst I have ever come across in Club Football anywhere. Now I do Realise that all Clubs have their Head the Balls and and that both these clubs have genuinely good supporters also, but Having been at plenty of Ogs and Harps games over the last number of years, both clubs have a very sizeable unsavoury element.
Being at Ogs games and being at Harps games has introduced me to a level of bad manners, abuse, jeering, bad language and name calling (to players and officials) that I find most uncomfortable. Both teams seem to attract a strangely large number of sc**bags and dodgy characters, which is probably due to being from a large town, and after some of the games i have been very glad to be leaving the pitch. What I find the most dissapointing about this is, the fact that although both teams are nowhere near Crossmaglen in terms of ability, they are the next best teams in Armagh, and are probably the only ones with any hope of putting it up to cross in the near future, and the antics of there fans are definately not a help and would also nearly make me not support the underdog in such a challenge.
Words indeed to blacken the name of the Harps Club, and if I may say, entirely in keeping with the persona that you have built up here for 'billythekid'. Like Benny earlier, I entirely refute your claims, made here under what you perceive to be a cloak of total anonymity. The words go against 'billythekid', but you yourself typed them here about our Club on this public forum. For doing that, you should hang your head in shame!
What is wrong with an individual talking of his encounters with other clubs and their behaviout. I thought this was a discussion forum and the behaviour of fans in Armagh. The man has been to many Armagh champinship games and is writing about his experience. Just because it is not to your liking doesn't mean it isn't true!
For a Derry poster he seems to comment an awful lot on Armagh football (he's never off the local thread), most of it derogatory. That post struck me as a blatant wind up as he knew the number of Harps and Ogs posters there are on the board.
I see Saint Francie has got off scot free again......unfcukinbelievable >:(
Quote from: mackers on December 18, 2008, 10:40:06 AM
Quote from: screenexile on December 18, 2008, 12:41:48 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on December 18, 2008, 12:15:38 AM
Quote from: billy the kid on December 17, 2008, 12:49:51 PM
However they are nowhere near the worst Armagh Club fans I have experienced, the wonderful honour is between Pearse Ogs and Armagh Harps. Both these sets of fans are the worst I have ever come across in Club Football anywhere. Now I do Realise that all Clubs have their Head the Balls and and that both these clubs have genuinely good supporters also, but Having been at plenty of Ogs and Harps games over the last number of years, both clubs have a very sizeable unsavoury element.
Being at Ogs games and being at Harps games has introduced me to a level of bad manners, abuse, jeering, bad language and name calling (to players and officials) that I find most uncomfortable. Both teams seem to attract a strangely large number of sc**bags and dodgy characters, which is probably due to being from a large town, and after some of the games i have been very glad to be leaving the pitch. What I find the most dissapointing about this is, the fact that although both teams are nowhere near Crossmaglen in terms of ability, they are the next best teams in Armagh, and are probably the only ones with any hope of putting it up to cross in the near future, and the antics of there fans are definately not a help and would also nearly make me not support the underdog in such a challenge.
Words indeed to blacken the name of the Harps Club, and if I may say, entirely in keeping with the persona that you have built up here for 'billythekid'. Like Benny earlier, I entirely refute your claims, made here under what you perceive to be a cloak of total anonymity. The words go against 'billythekid', but you yourself typed them here about our Club on this public forum. For doing that, you should hang your head in shame!
What is wrong with an individual talking of his encounters with other clubs and their behaviout. I thought this was a discussion forum and the behaviour of fans in Armagh. The man has been to many Armagh champinship games and is writing about his experience. Just because it is not to your liking doesn't mean it isn't true!
For a Derry poster he seems to comment an awful lot on Armagh football (he's never off the local thread), most of it derogatory. That post struck me as a blatant wind up as he knew the number of Harps and Ogs posters there are on the board.
In fairness, by his own admission, Billy the Kid is a Derry man working in Armagh who goes to a lot of Armagh club matches.
Quote from: 5 Sams on December 18, 2008, 10:47:28 AM
I see Saint Francie has got off scot free again......unfcukinbelievable >:(
Aw give over would ya :)
Quote from: 5 Sams on December 18, 2008, 10:47:28 AM
I see Saint Francie has got off scot free again......unfcukinbelievable >:(
Where do you see this 5 sams?
Back page of the Irish News
Didnt get the paper yet
I thought the Ulster Council are waiting on the clubs getting back to them ???
Here's the article fb:
THE Ulster Council will not be taking any action against Crossmaglen's Francie Bellew over a first-half altercation with a Ballinderry player during Sunday's Ulster Club SFC final replay at Brewster Park.
Ballinderry clubman Adrian McGuckin told The Irish News yesterday that the former Allstar should have been sent off after a coming together with Brian McGuckin, the renowned colleges' coach insisting that Bellew's head made contact with the Shamrocks player.
The UUJ manager was also critical of referee Brian Crowe's performance, and accused the media of "airbrushing" the contentious incident. While admitting that Cross were the better team on the day, McGuckin suggested the dismissal of Bellew could have had a major impact on the final result.
Crowe immediately ordered the Ballinderry player to get back on his feet, and took no disciplinary action against Bellew – and the Ulster Council has no plans to take the matter any further.
"As far as we're concerned, the incident involving Francie Bellew was dealt with by the referee," said Ulster Council secretary Danny Murphy yesterday.
The news was music to the ears of Crossmaglen manager Donal Murtagh, who said he had seen nothing in the altercation that would have merited further investigation.
He said: "Well, certainly it's a bit of good news for us. I know the video evidence worked for us the last time [in overturning John McEntee's red card from the drawn game], but it doesn't always tell the whole story.
"Francie maintained that he didn't make contact with the man, that he just tried to shrug him off. It may have looked like more on the
camera, but he said the man [McGuckin] was holding him and then he give him a wee bit of a hit to the ribs, and he [Bellew] just reacted to that and shrugged him off.
"I didn't really see it at the time, but have seen it on the camera since," added the Cross boss. "I think Francie's would be a pretty fair assessment of it, and I think if you see it from behind the goals, it doesn't look nearly as bad at all.
"We'd be glad there's nothing more to come of it because Francie's had many a raw deal in the past, so we're thankful there isn't going to be any more about it."
The Ulster Council has already asked the two clubs to explain the incidents which marred Sunday's replayed final, after a scuffle broke out between the opposing sides as they were heading for the dressing rooms at half-time.
A copy of the referee's report and a video of the game have been sent to both Crossmaglen Rangers and Ballinderry Shamrocks, with the Ulster Council seeking the club's viewpoints on the matter.
TV replays didn't appear to indicate the precise culprits.
The Armagh champions will be keen to avoid having any of their players unavailable for their All-Ireland semi-final clash with Limerick and
Munster champions Dumcollogher/Broadford, as they bid to avenge last year's painful defeat at the same stage to eventual champions St Vincent's.
Cross last lifted the Andy Merrigan Cup in 2007, and were crowned All-Ireland club champions three times between 1997 and 2000.
Arguably the biggest discplinary disgrace in recent times. When you think of the rubbish that when on over Colie Moran's innocuos tackle on Bannon earlier in the year, or Parnellgate where teams had numerous players suspended and then you see that and the player gets off scot free. The Ulster Council should hang their heads in shame. An absolute disgrace to the game bot the incident and the powers that be.
In personal experience, cross fans are far the worst. other clubs are all similar with the clans just a tad worse than the average.
the ordinary cross fan (the ones that go to league games - which are very very few) is the same as every other club. the odd header but mostly decent skins. their problem comes wth the "championship fans". they're loud, abusive and angry. they seem to think that they have to perpetuate the club image of the rough and ready hardy boys even though the vast majority of them never kicked a ball.
the cross players past and present that i know are salt of the earth, genuine and in no way big headed about their astonishing achievements. their supporters are deliberatly superior and dismissive in outlook and are quick to turn football chat into stories of teams they "hammered", players they "finished" and trophies they have storing tea bags in the kitchen. a quick enqiuiry into the number of medals they have themselves usually quietens them as those that have them never mention medals.
there is that recently retired player who has been referred to and he's the exception to the rule. o and one current player who behave despicably at a few underage championship matches i've attended, but thats it.
Cheers FoSB
Wind yer neck in Indiana FFS
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on December 18, 2008, 11:17:04 AM
“I didn’t really see it at the time, but have seen it on the camera since,” added the Cross boss. “I think Francie’s would be a pretty fair assessment of it, and I think if you see it from behind the goals, it doesn’t look nearly as bad at all.
Is he taking the piss?
Also if the ref dealt with this incident and therefore the UC cannot act on it, who come they could act on John Mac's incident when the ref had already dealt with it?
Indiana raises an interesting point. i thought there was no scope for revisiting incidents that were dealt with through a yellow card though obviously the moran one makes a myth of that.
Uladh thats gone now, that loophole was removed. Thats why the Ulster Council statment is factually incorrect and incorrect on how the rules were applied this season. Any incident can be re-visited.Its an absolute disgrace then someone can actually go to headbutt somebody and no sanction taken, even when caght on TV I'm actually all for the new rules now, this is an absolute farce. This isn't about Bellew, its about the wider application of the rules across the board. the Ulster Council should hang their heads in shame.
Quote from: INDIANA on December 18, 2008, 11:30:51 AM
Uladh thats gone now, that loophole was removed. Thats why the Ulster Council statment is factually incorrect and incorrect on how the rules were applied this season. Any incident can be re-visited
But, when Danny Murphy says:
"As far as we're concerned, the incident involving Francie Bellew was dealt with by the referee" , surely that could be construed to mean that the referee dealt
satisfactorily with the incident at the time, and therefore no revisiting is necessary?
Anyone who thinks that incident was dealth with by the referee is an imbecile quite frankly. Its no wonder the Ulster club scene has the issues it had, when you conider who is running the show up there.
That is your opinion Indiana, but the Council accepted the referees report and that is the end of it. Surely people can't believe that the conspiracy that Cross have all officials in Armagh in their pocket hasn't stretched to Ulster as well?
As regards the Moran incident, Moran rightly was suspended. The nature of his tackle was dangerous. To put it in perspective, the same type of tackle happened to Martin Aherne recently. He was picking up a ball and as he was down he got a full frontal charge. He ended up having a double hair lone fracture of the skull and is out of football for 6 months. He would probably have played in the Ulster Championship and AI semi either as a starter or a sub. As someone who had a similar injury, I know how hard it is to get the confidence in yourself to be able to take a hit while the brain is still rattling about a bit. This could have happened to Bannon, but thankfully didn't for his sake.
As regards Francie, it could have gone either way, but the referee was right beside it and had a clear view. He obviously took the view that there was no contact and that McGukin was trying it on. You reap what you sow as the saying goes and this perhaps is an unfortunate bye product of what happened in the previous game.
In a state of shock here that an innocuous tackle that happens in every match is a rightful suspension. And a headbutt is now permissable. Like I said before its no wonder the discplinary problems that exist up North are an ongoing event every year with adminstrators like the Ulster Council. What a shower of clowns.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on December 18, 2008, 11:17:04 AM
"We'd be glad there's nothing more to come of it because Francie's had many a raw deal in the past, so we're thankful there isn't going to be any more about it."
I'm struggling to recall any such raw deals.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 18, 2008, 11:52:30 AM
As regards the Moran incident, Moran rightly was suspended. The nature of his tackle was dangerous. To put it in perspective, the same type of tackle happened to Martin Aherne recently. He was picking up a ball and as he was down he got a full frontal charge. He ended up having a double hair lone fracture of the skull and is out of football for 6 months. He would probably have played in the Ulster Championship and AI semi either as a starter or a sub. As someone who had a similar injury, I know how hard it is to get the confidence in yourself to be able to take a hit while the brain is still rattling about a bit. This could have happened to Bannon, but thankfully didn't for his sake.
Remind you of anyone? Surprised you felt Moran should have been suspended. Given the obvious refusal of Brain Crowe to send off anyone in the game at the weekend (and indeed the Noel O'Leary incident) the incident in which he did send off a Cross man (vs. Slaughneil) must have been very very serious indeed.
Pints was that the time Jarleth had to shepherd the referee into his car and yes had a good batin at him too. Plenty of these incidents seem to follow youse guys around alright.
Its great to see that Indiana is aghast at "incidents" going unpunished.
I am sure he was utterly disgusted at the leniency shown to Ciaran Whelan over the years.
Quote from: crossfire on December 18, 2008, 01:40:43 PM
Its great to see that Indiana is aghast at "incidents" going unpunished.
I am sure he was utterly disgusted at the leniency shown to Ciaran Whelan over the years.
Jesus what is allthis tit-fot-tat stuff. SNeill, Whelan etc.
Bellew should have been suspended, it couldn't have gone either way and thew Cross fans would admit that easily too. The UC stood by the referee and maybe should be admired for that. As for Cross, take any advantage you can get.
As for Francie being wronged? Hmm trying to think. The 2006 quarterfinal against Kerry is the only one that stands out.
Quote from: corn02 on December 18, 2008, 02:03:36 PM
Quote from: crossfire on December 18, 2008, 01:40:43 PM
Its great to see that Indiana is aghast at "incidents" going unpunished.
I am sure he was utterly disgusted at the leniency shown to Ciaran Whelan over the years.
Jesus what is allthis tit-fot-tat stuff. SNeill, Whelan etc.
Bellew should have been suspended, it couldn't have gone either way and thew Cross fans would admit that easily too. The UC stood by the referee and maybe should be admired for that. As for Cross, take any advantage you can get.
As for Francie being wronged? Hmm trying to think. The 2006 quarterfinal against Kerry is the only one that stands out.
He was given a red card against Donegal in a replay in 2005 and had it rescinded because Maurice Deegan sent him off by mistake.
Quote from: mackers on December 18, 2008, 02:10:52 PM
Quote from: corn02 on December 18, 2008, 02:03:36 PM
Quote from: crossfire on December 18, 2008, 01:40:43 PM
Its great to see that Indiana is aghast at "incidents" going unpunished.
I am sure he was utterly disgusted at the leniency shown to Ciaran Whelan over the years.
Jesus what is allthis tit-fot-tat stuff. SNeill, Whelan etc.
Bellew should have been suspended, it couldn't have gone either way and thew Cross fans would admit that easily too. The UC stood by the referee and maybe should be admired for that. As for Cross, take any advantage you can get.
As for Francie being wronged? Hmm trying to think. The 2006 quarterfinal against Kerry is the only one that stands out.
He was given a red card against Donegal in a replay in 2005 and had it rescinded because Maurice Deegan sent him off by mistake.
You know I can't recall that at all to be honest. But there is two so far, we're going well. :)
So the reverse of the 03 semi-final then? :P
Oh yes, did Mackin play at full-forward that day and had a decent game?
Whatever Donegal's style of play their discipline leaves a lot to be desired. They lost the cool in that game.
QuoteOh yes, did Mackin play at full-forward that day and had a decent game?
Was that the game where Mackin made a well timed pass to Stevie for a goal? His best game.
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Its great to see that Indiana is aghast at "incidents" going unpunished.
I am sure he was utterly disgusted at the leniency shown to Ciaran Whelan over the years.
Jesus what is allthis tit-fot-tat stuff. SNeill, Whelan etc.
Bellew should have been suspended, it couldn't have gone either way and thew Cross fans would admit that easily too. The UC stood by the referee and maybe should be admired for that. As for Cross, take any advantage you can get.
As for Francie being wronged? Hmm trying to think. The 2006 quarterfinal against Kerry is the only one that stands out.
He was given a red card against Donegal in a replay in 2005 and had it rescinded because Maurice Deegan sent him off by mistake.
You know I can't recall that at all to be honest. But there is two so far, we're going well. :)
It was back in 2006 and I think it was a replay on a Saturday evening. Was a very strange game alright, first time I'd encountered Maurice Deegan and he was shocking. In fairness he's improved vastly since, but he was totally incapable of controlling a football game back then. Armagh were hammering Donegal out of sight and in the last 10 mins Donegal started to get pissy and violent. People who were there will back me up on this, at one stage there were 4 Armagh players on the deck in need of treatment after off the ball hits. Donegal were very lucky to finish with 12 men, and although Francie was given the line he was subsequently exonerated. Yet if you read the 'first thing' tread all you get for Armagh is dour, muscles, aggressive, etc and for Donegal its flair, style, blah, blah. Moral of the story: if you get a name for being an early riser, you can knock seven bells out of someone and people will still think you're a great fella, and vice-versa :-\
Yea that's the game alright, but I thought it was 2005, we beat Donegal in the Ulster final in CP in 06 I think. But the rest of your points are well made, especially about the "first thing" thread.
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Its great to see that Indiana is aghast at "incidents" going unpunished.
I am sure he was utterly disgusted at the leniency shown to Ciaran Whelan over the years.
Jesus what is allthis tit-fot-tat stuff. SNeill, Whelan etc.
Bellew should have been suspended, it couldn't have gone either way and thew Cross fans would admit that easily too. The UC stood by the referee and maybe should be admired for that. As for Cross, take any advantage you can get.
As for Francie being wronged? Hmm trying to think. The 2006 quarterfinal against Kerry is the only one that stands out.
He was given a red card against Donegal in a replay in 2005 and had it rescinded because Maurice Deegan sent him off by mistake.
You know I can't recall that at all to be honest. But there is two so far, we're going well. :)
It was back in 2006 and I think it was a replay on a Saturday evening. Was a very strange game alright, first time I'd encountered Maurice Deegan and he was shocking. In fairness he's improved vastly since, but he was totally incapable of controlling a football game back then. Armagh were hammering Donegal out of sight and in the last 10 mins Donegal started to get pissy and violent. People who were there will back me up on this, at one stage there were 4 Armagh players on the deck in need of treatment after off the ball hits. Donegal were very lucky to finish with 12 men, and although Francie was given the line he was subsequently exonerated. Yet if you read the 'first thing' tread all you get for Armagh is dour, muscles, aggressive, etc and for Donegal its flair, style, blah, blah. Moral of the story: if you get a name for being an early riser, you can knock seven bells out of someone and people will still think you're a great fella, and vice-versa :-\
Yea that's the game alright, but I thought it was 2005, we beat Donegal in the Ulster final in CP in 06 I think. But the rest of your points are well made, especially about the "first thing" thread.
Must have been 2005, we went on to play Derry in the Ulster semi final. Francie was sent off for nothing as I remember. Did it finish 14 men v 12? I've always held the view that Francie has been harshly treated over the years in terms of fouls against and yellow cards, the Kerry game being a major example.
Quote from: armaghniac on December 18, 2008, 03:12:42 PM
Whatever Donegal's style of play their discipline leaves a lot to be desired. They lost the cool in that game.
QuoteOh yes, did Mackin play at full-forward that day and had a decent game?
Was that the game where Mackin made a well timed pass to Stevie for a goal? His best game.
Wasn't sure Mal was starting much that year so dug out the programmes. He's listed as a sub for both the drawn match and the replay. But now I think of it, I do remember a good pass for a goal against Donegal in Clones so that must have been the year. Either Mal came on or was a late replacement in the starting line up. It was 2006 though that he had a run of games in the starting XV.
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Its great to see that Indiana is aghast at "incidents" going unpunished.
I am sure he was utterly disgusted at the leniency shown to Ciaran Whelan over the years.
Jesus what is allthis tit-fot-tat stuff. SNeill, Whelan etc.
Bellew should have been suspended, it couldn't have gone either way and thew Cross fans would admit that easily too. The UC stood by the referee and maybe should be admired for that. As for Cross, take any advantage you can get.
As for Francie being wronged? Hmm trying to think. The 2006 quarterfinal against Kerry is the only one that stands out.
He was given a red card against Donegal in a replay in 2005 and had it rescinded because Maurice Deegan sent him off by mistake.
You know I can't recall that at all to be honest. But there is two so far, we're going well. :)
It was back in 2006 and I think it was a replay on a Saturday evening. Was a very strange game alright, first time I'd encountered Maurice Deegan and he was shocking. In fairness he's improved vastly since, but he was totally incapable of controlling a football game back then. Armagh were hammering Donegal out of sight and in the last 10 mins Donegal started to get pissy and violent. People who were there will back me up on this, at one stage there were 4 Armagh players on the deck in need of treatment after off the ball hits. Donegal were very lucky to finish with 12 men, and although Francie was given the line he was subsequently exonerated. Yet if you read the 'first thing' tread all you get for Armagh is dour, muscles, aggressive, etc and for Donegal its flair, style, blah, blah. Moral of the story: if you get a name for being an early riser, you can knock seven bells out of someone and people will still think you're a great fella, and vice-versa :-\
Yea that's the game alright, but I thought it was 2005, we beat Donegal in the Ulster final in CP in 06 I think. But the rest of your points are well made, especially about the "first thing" thread.
Must have been 2005, we went on to play Derry in the Ulster semi final. Francie was sent off for nothing as I remember. Did it finish 14 men v 12? I've always held the view that Francie has been harshly treated over the years in terms of fouls against and yellow cards, the Kerry game being a major example.
Francie's sending off was a case of mistaken identity, in fairness a Donegal man had been hit (nearly sure it was Enda McNulty) and Deegan who had lost the plot at that point assumed it was Francie and sent him off!! In fairness to Donegal it was getting to the stage where they were sick looking at Armagh and they should've beaten us the first day. Think Malachy came on as a sub that night to give a good pass to Stevie, Peadar Toal came on as a sub that evening too.
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Pints was that the time Jarleth had to shepherd the referee into his car and yes had a good batin at him too. Plenty of these incidents seem to follow youse guys around alright.
No, I'm afraid taht only happened in southarmaghbandit's head. ::)
In that 05 match I believe that Paddy McKeever was also sent off - rightly so in his case! Also I think it was Phillip Loughran who committed the foul Francie was sent off for. As for Francie getting treated unfairly I think we could also add his yellow card against Wexford this year when he got one for walking on Forde's shadow!
In my opinion its a testimony to Crossmaglens brilliance the amount of begrudgers they have, especially from their neighbours (other clubs in armagh as well as those from down). They cannot be highly commended enough for their hunger, skill as footballers and determination to win.
Ballinderry have noone to blame but themselves for their ulster final defeat. Donal Murtagh said last week that if the opposition wants to come out and play football we will play football. If they want to mix it, we have the boys to mix it.
If they had came out and played football they would have stood a better chance of beating cross. The fact they came out looking to niggle, pull, drag and dive just played into cross's hands.
St. Vincents showed last year that if first time ball is played into the full forward line, cross can be vulnerable. Ballinderry wanted to play dinky cross field balls which meant that cross's defence had time to swarm the forward in possession.
It looks set for a cross v kilmacud final. That would be one to look forward to
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St. Vincents showed last year that if first time ball is played into the full forward line, cross can be vulnerable. Ballinderry wanted to play dinky cross field balls which meant that cross's defence had time to swarm the forward in possession.
It looks set for a cross v kilmacud final. That would be one to look forward to
Very true, in Armagh this year Harps and Ogs made their FB line look very vulnerable by playing in quick early ball. Bellew was cleaned at FB in both games. Their regular corner back was missing to be fair.
But bellew has been playing in the half back line ever since, playing well too. I think their FB line is a lot better now than it was even a few months ago and imo they would be fit for the quick ball in.
Ulster Senior Football Final Replay:
Crossmaglen Rangers 0-12 (P McKeown 0-1, A Kernan 0-1, M McNamee 0-2, J Clarke 0-1, J Murtagh 0-1, O McConville 0-5, K Carragher 0-1)
Ballinderry 1-04 (J Conway 0-1, C Gilligan 0-2, M Harney 0-1, J Bateson 1-0)
Saturday 20th December 2008(the marra)
Casement Park 1-30pm
All Ireland Intermediate Hurling Quarter Final:
Gort na Mona(Antrim) v Robert Emmets(London)
(Winners to get the leg talked off them in the Semi Final by Blarney(Cork) in Tullamore on Sunday January 25th)
Sunday January 25th 2009
Portlaoise 1-00pm
All Ireland Junior Football Championship Semi Final:
Skellig Rangers(Kerry) v Drumhowan
Sunday January 25th 2009
Portlaoise 2-30pm
All Ireland Intermediate Football Semi Final:
St Micheals Foilmore(Kerry) v Trillick
Sunday 25th January 2009
Pearse Stadium 2-30pm
All Ireland Junior Hurling Semi Final:
Dripsey(Cork) v Lisbellaw
Saturday 21st February 2009
Longford 2-30pm
All Ireland Senior Football Semi Final:
Dromcollogher-Broadford(Limerick) v Crossmaglen Rangers
Sunday 22nd February 2009
Parnell Park 2-30pm
All Ireland Senior Hurling Semi Final:
De La Salle(Waterford) v Cushendall
QuoteSaturday 21st February 2009
Longford 2-30pm
All Ireland Senior Football Semi Final:
Dromcollogher-Broadford(Limerick) v Crossmaglen Rangers
Is it only me or does anyone else thing that Longford is an odd and inconvenient venue for this game. Perhaps suitable for Cross v Corofin but it is not at all near Limerick and is not easily reached from Cross either. These games seem to be allocated to suit some agenda within the GAA rather than the travel of the thousands of supporters. Somewhere like Newbridge would have the advantage of being on main routes from each place.
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QuoteSaturday 21st February 2009
Longford 2-30pm
All Ireland Senior Football Semi Final:
Dromcollogher-Broadford(Limerick) v Crossmaglen Rangers
Is it only me or does anyone else thing that Longford is an odd and inconvenient venue for this game. Perhaps suitable for Cross v Corofin but it is not at all near Limerick and is not easily reached from Cross either. These games seem to be allocated to suit some agenda within the GAA rather than the travel of the thousands of supporters. Somewhere like Newbridge would have the advantage of being on main routes from each place.
I'd thought initially Portlaoise would be the likely venue.
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However they are nowhere near the worst Armagh Club fans I have experienced, the wonderful honour is between Pearse Ogs and Armagh Harps. Both these sets of fans are the worst I have ever come across in Club Football anywhere. Now I do Realise that all Clubs have their Head the Balls and and that both these clubs have genuinely good supporters also, but Having been at plenty of Ogs and Harps games over the last number of years, both clubs have a very sizeable unsavoury element.
Being at Ogs games and being at Harps games has introduced me to a level of bad manners, abuse, jeering, bad language and name calling (to players and officials) that I find most uncomfortable. Both teams seem to attract a strangely large number of sc**bags and dodgy characters, which is probably due to being from a large town, and after some of the games i have been very glad to be leaving the pitch. What I find the most dissapointing about this is, the fact that although both teams are nowhere near Crossmaglen in terms of ability, they are the next best teams in Armagh, and are probably the only ones with any hope of putting it up to cross in the near future, and the antics of there fans are definately not a help and would also nearly make me not support the underdog in such a challenge.
Words indeed to blacken the name of the Harps Club, and if I may say, entirely in keeping with the persona that you have built up here for 'billythekid'. Like Benny earlier, I entirely refute your claims, made here under what you perceive to be a cloak of total anonymity. The words go against 'billythekid', but you yourself typed them here about our Club on this public forum. For doing that, you should hang your head in shame!
What is wrong with an individual talking of his encounters with other clubs and their behaviout. I thought this was a discussion forum and the behaviour of fans in Armagh. The man has been to many Armagh champinship games and is writing about his experience. Just because it is not to your liking doesn't mean it isn't true!
They are not to my liking and I am saying they are not true! I go to all Harps Senior matches - he does not!
In boxing day's Irish News Dominic Corrigan suggested that Cross are setting the standards in club Football. He tells Kenny Archer that the Armagh men have risen to levels which other teams should aspire to reach.
Quote: "I feel Crossmaglen have come in for a lot of unfair criticism over the years with people talking about "over-the-top" tactics. I watched the Ulster club final with Declan Loughman who is now the Castleblaney Faughs manager and we both agreed that over the two games of the final Crossmaglen gave an exhibition of quality defensive play that coaches should look at. There was no goading of opponents. There was no cynical or dirty tactics. Crossmaglen defenders attacked the ball with a fierce commitment to win every ball within the rules." Unquote
I consider this a very fair assessment of "the Crossmaglen way".
I'm sure mickey linden would agree.
Indiana. What would you talk about if Cross were not so good. One challenge does not determine a team. At that rate Dublin are a dirty plie of so and sos having fought with Tyrone, Armagh and Meath in the recent past and Kerry keep intimidating referees. Both are incorrect too. I have read many times how referees favour Cross. Maybe the problem is that unlike some they know the rules. This is what Corrigan was hitting at. I am not a Cross man and as an Armagh man I believe as much as their success brought us success in 2002, there continued success has hindered us since.
Look lads there is lot of things I could say about Cross but I won't. I admired the 99-01 team. I don't admire this crew for my own reasons and thats based on watching severals of their matches.
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Look lads there is lot of things I could say about Cross but I won't. I admired the 99-01 team. I don't admire this crew for my own reasons and thats based on watching severals of their matches.
What was it about the 99 - 01 team that you admired so much ?
just a class outfit who had the right mix
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just a class outfit who had the right mix
And what sets the current team apart ? Individuals or tactics or what ?
In time the present team will surpass the 99/2000 team in my opinion.
not a snowballs
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not a snowballs
I'm inclined to agree with you alright.
Once Bellew, Donaldson, 2 Mc Entees and Mc Conville go, Crossmaglen will have lost the biggest and best part of the team.
Watching the 2 Mc Entees in particular is a real joy. 2 tremendous footballers.
Bellew and Donaldson are warriors who can also play a bit whilst Mc Conville is a class act - the first day against Ballinderry he scored a goal that few would have had the calmness to finish.
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Are they the present team or the aul team?
The aul, present team.
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In time the present team will surpass the 99/2000 team in my opinion.
Not a chance. The millenium team was miles above the present team. An unreal team altogether.
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In time the present team will surpass the 99/2000 team in my opinion.
Not a chance. The millenium team was miles above the present team. An unreal team altogether.
Hmmm. That would make them the iteam
simply no comparison, and the fact that this team's key figures are all from the millenium team emphasises the point. I've never seen a better team than that side.