I`m surprised last weeks checkpoint in Meigh hasn't been mentioned on the board. Anyway they have been out on patrol again tonight, in Kingsmill of all places. Expect to see more of Danny Kennedy and Conor Murphy on tomorrows BBC Newsline condemning such actions with the usual statements issued by their leaders in the house of commons. Is Kennedy or Murphy an Ulster Unionist? its hard to tell nowadays. ::)
I look forward to the imminent unification! ::)
Quote from: hardstation on August 26, 2009, 11:52:58 PM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on August 26, 2009, 11:51:37 PM
I`m surprised last weeks checkpoint in Meigh hasn't been mentioned on the board.
You'd need to read the board a bit more.
Didnt see a thread?
Quote from: hardstation on August 26, 2009, 11:57:19 PM
GAA Discussion - Galbally GAA/Hunger Strike thread.
I can see how the two topics are so closely related ::) Is EG going off one one again?
Cúig Huaire - as you seem to be supportive of these checkpoints can you please tell me what your friends are trying to achieve? Seems a bit pointless and idiotic to me so enlighten me.
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 27, 2009, 12:00:57 AM
Cúig Huaire - as you seem to be supportive of these checkpoints can you please tell me what your friends are trying to achieve? Seems a bit pointless and idiotic to me so enlighten me.
I do not support these checkpoints. They are pointless in my opinion. If they want to go out and actually do something, go ahead, but standing at an isolated crossroads, stopping locals is not going to achieve anything. Those in charge need to take these people in hand and tell them to wise up.
Quote from: Cúig huaire on August 27, 2009, 12:13:07 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 27, 2009, 12:00:57 AM
Cúig Huaire - as you seem to be supportive of these checkpoints can you please tell me what your friends are trying to achieve? Seems a bit pointless and idiotic to me so enlighten me.
I do not support these checkpoints. They are pointless in my opinion. If they want to go out and actually do something, go ahead, but standing at an isolated crossroads, stopping locals is not going to achieve anything. Those in charge need to take these people in hand and tell them to wise up.
If they want to go out and do what, exactly?
Seriously what the hell are these evil c***ts doing, how can any reply to this be anything but catch the fckrs & lock them away in the deepest darkest hell hole prison around.
The autumn tv shows will start soon and these clowns will be back in watching pop idol.
I think they are threatning to shoot themselves (which I hope they do) They are the drug dealers and anti-social thugs. Go away we dont want or need you. You have nothing to offer. :-X
Quote from: hardstation on August 27, 2009, 12:00:38 AM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on August 26, 2009, 11:59:31 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 26, 2009, 11:57:19 PM
GAA Discussion - Galbally GAA/Hunger Strike thread.
I can see how the two topics are so closely related ::) Is EG going off one one again?
Yes but Fearon was involved too.
Search 'Meigh' and you'll find it.
Is there some unseen connection with the IFA that I'm missing?! Are they coming out in protest and McCourt not getting a place on the NI team?
Anyone from the South Armagh tell me if these lads are getting much support? In my opinion it would only take a few of the big guns to disaffect and a lot would follow suit.
Quote from: SidelineKick on August 27, 2009, 08:37:17 AM
Anyone from the South Armagh tell me if these lads are getting much support? In my opinion it would only take a few of the big guns to disaffect and a lot would follow suit.
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Maybe they have already ?
Hard to know! Also, didnt mean to use that pun :-\
Any of the Armagh lads tell us whats going on? How much support would those men setting up the check points have?
Can only speak for North Armagh, their support is seemingly limited to a few dozen uneducated hoods.
A few dozen "uneducated" hoods with AK47's and at least one RPG!
Also they seem to be gaining more and more support in South Fermanagh and West Tyrone and Derry.
Quote from: fitzroyalty on August 27, 2009, 11:18:25 AM
Can only speak for North Armagh, their support is seemingly limited to a few dozen uneducated hoods.
That can be extraoplated across the 6 counties.
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on August 27, 2009, 11:20:45 AM
A few dozen "uneducated" hoods with AK47's and at least one RPG!
Also they seem to be gaining more and more support in South Fermanagh and West Tyrone and Derry.
Not them, their supporters!
Quote from: fitzroyalty on August 27, 2009, 11:18:25 AM
Can only speak for North Armagh, their support is seemingly limited to a few dozen uneducated hoods.
We wer told that the IRA were like this 30 years ago. However it turned out that this wasn't exactly the truth in all cases.
Quote from: orangeman on August 27, 2009, 11:24:51 AM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on August 27, 2009, 11:18:25 AM
Can only speak for North Armagh, their support is seemingly limited to a few dozen uneducated hoods.
We wer told that the IRA were like this 30 years ago. However it turned out that this wasn't exactly the truth in all cases.
Difference was the nationalist population were severley discriminated against, were under represented in the work force, infrastructure was poor in the West (not much better now!), there was widespread anger in communities.
Now we are approaching parity in employment opportunity, are starting to see a small shift in policing and justice, things are pointedly different.
Most dissidents are hung up on power in their communites a la UDA thugs.
Quote from: hardstation on August 27, 2009, 12:09:28 AM
What I have often wondered about these lads, why does it always go wrong? Co. Fermanagh in particular. Loads of devices found. Failed to explode, made a cnut of it etc.
I know. Dozens of attempts, and the vermin haven't managed to blow themselves up even once.
Still, here's hoping:
http://www.anphoblacht.com/news/detail/32281
Quote from: Evil Genius on August 27, 2009, 12:15:34 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 27, 2009, 12:09:28 AM
What I have often wondered about these lads, why does it always go wrong? Co. Fermanagh in particular. Loads of devices found. Failed to explode, made a cnut of it etc.
I know. Dozens of attempts, and the vermin haven't managed to blow themselves up even once.
Still, here's hoping:
http://www.anphoblacht.com/news/detail/32281
What's your point?
Quote from: hardstation on August 27, 2009, 12:00:38 AM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on August 26, 2009, 11:59:31 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 26, 2009, 11:57:19 PM
GAA Discussion - Galbally GAA/Hunger Strike thread.
I can see how the two topics are so closely related ::) Is EG going off one one again?
Yes but Fearon was involved too.
I think you'll find it was Fearon not me, who introduced Meigh into the debate. Apparently it was something to do with some point he was making about the IFA. In the thread about the Hunger Strike Commemoration hosted by Galbally GAC. ::)
Quote from: SidelineKick on August 27, 2009, 12:19:17 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on August 27, 2009, 12:15:34 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 27, 2009, 12:09:28 AM
What I have often wondered about these lads, why does it always go wrong? Co. Fermanagh in particular. Loads of devices found. Failed to explode, made a cnut of it etc.
I know. Dozens of attempts, and the vermin haven't managed to blow themselves up even once.
Still, here's hoping:
http://www.anphoblacht.com/news/detail/32281
What's your point?
Hard Station was merely pointing out the incompetence of these people eg in Fermanagh, and I was adding that that is nothing new.
Although I understand that in the period after Mr. McManus's demise, the IRA attempted to claim that it was the Brits who had actually planted the bomb in his car.
Now
there's an idea...
Strangely this didnt make the news today.
What didnt make the news?
Where was it?
Kingsmill, just outside Whitecross.
Quote from: Cúig huaire on August 27, 2009, 03:47:48 PM
Kingsmill, just outside Whitecross.
Another one ? Starting to stick their necks out a bit.
They`ll be asking for insuurance and MOTs next.
Quote from: Cúig huaire on August 27, 2009, 03:55:55 PM
They`ll be asking for insuurance and MOTs next.
;D :D ;D
Laugh Out Loud
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3cnTRgl-lU
Quote from: fitzroyalty on August 27, 2009, 04:50:38 PM
Laugh Out Loud
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3cnTRgl-lU
You can hear the real biterness in his voice and see it in his eyes - just like when he says that the scum need to be taken out. And when he says that there would have been men who when the IRA men waved them to come on ahead, who would have sorted the scum out.
What a man ! What are the tattoos of ? It must be an awful kick in the balls for Frazer and these boys that the British governement have abandoned them and left them to live among amidst the "scum".
Everything we have on our website is facts. lol
I think I posted my opinions on the RIRA on this board before but I'll repeat. I have come into contact with these boyos in North Cavan before and all I can say is a more brainless bunch of inbreds you could never come across. No plan A, never mind plan B. No clue of history. Just a bunch of angry bogmen.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on August 27, 2009, 06:51:31 PM
I think I posted my opinions on the RIRA on this board before but I'll repeat. I have come into contact with these boyos in North Cavan before and all I can say is a more brainless bunch of inbreds you could never come across. No plan A, never mind plan B. No clue of history. Just a bunch of angry bogmen.
I think you`ll find everyone in Cavan is like that.
Quote from: Cúig huaire on August 27, 2009, 10:38:21 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on August 27, 2009, 06:51:31 PM
I think I posted my opinions on the RIRA on this board before but I'll repeat. I have come into contact with these boyos in North Cavan before and all I can say is a more brainless bunch of inbreds you could never come across. No plan A, never mind plan B. No clue of history. Just a bunch of angry bogmen.
I think you`ll find everyone in Cavan is like that.
Thats a good one Cuig. Now care to answer the earlier question put to you?
On a related matter in Cavan town:
An organisation with links to dissident republicans is claiming to have successfully dismantled a crime gang based in Cavan town. In a statement issued to The Anglo-Celt, the 32 County Sovereignty Movement (32CSM) claims that six members have fled the country "in fear of their lives".
The group, which insists it is a political organisation and deny they are vigilantes, say that the ring leaders of the TCRG gang had been using young people in the Cavan town to carry out a wide range of criminal activities. This included assaulting people, street drinking and breaking into houses to more serious offences such as drug dealing and stealing firearms from private properties.
This crime gang, the statement said, had five leading individuals that were influencing the young vulnerable people of Cavan to commit these crimes for there own personal gain, through the selling of drugs to extortion of money from businesses. It was these individuals that prompted and influenced young vulnerable people in Cavan to start a gang and call themselves the TCRG, which is believed to stand for the Cavan Rebellion Gang.
The statement added: "After months of violent crime on the streets of Cavan and the attacks of innocent people the 32CSM were contacted by concerned residents from Cavan town too scared to contact the gardaí, and who were terrified to walk the streets of Cavan because of this anti-social element calling themselves the TCRG.
Over the last number of weeks the 32 County Sovereignty Movement visited the homes and talked to the parents of some of these individuals who were identified to us as having been members of this criminal gang TCRG."
The movement claims that within the last number of days, a number of parents of those involved with the TCRG have come forward with their sons and daughters stating that they are no longer involved with this TCRG gang and that they will be advising others to leave the gang too.
"We in the 32CSM welcome this recent development and we call for the remaining TCRG members to disband. The 32CSM is happy to confirm that the five criminal figures that had moved to Cavan town from Limerick, Dublin and Cavan have now fled there homes in the Cavan area." The movement said it would continue to monitor events on the ground and have their presence in the area should the need arise again.
In conclusion the statement said: "We want to state that the 32CSM will be there to support anyone or community that is under siege or that feel threatened by criminals or anti-social elements in their society throughout Ireland."
Its hard to know whats going on here. The TCRG is a small bunch of little scumbags from Cavan who have been behind a number of unprovoked assaults in town of late.Most of them are on curfew and some are on bail awaiting trial next month for assault.They have been very quiet of late thank god,but as for the claim that the gang has been broken up,well I believe its just talk.
I would like to know what exactly the 32 CSM are trying to achieve.Are they a political movement with aims and an agenda or are they just a glorified vigilante group??
Quote from: fitzroyalty on August 27, 2009, 04:50:38 PM
Laugh Out Loud
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3cnTRgl-lU
He felt safe enough to wander about the place.
Quote from: boojangles on August 28, 2009, 12:44:57 AM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on August 27, 2009, 10:38:21 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on August 27, 2009, 06:51:31 PM
I think I posted my opinions on the RIRA on this board before but I'll repeat. I have come into contact with these boyos in North Cavan before and all I can say is a more brainless bunch of inbreds you could never come across. No plan A, never mind plan B. No clue of history. Just a bunch of angry bogmen.
I think you`ll find everyone in Cavan is like that.
Thats a good one Cuig. Now care to answer the earlier question put to you?
On a related matter in Cavan town:
An organisation with links to dissident republicans is claiming to have successfully dismantled a crime gang based in Cavan town. In a statement issued to The Anglo-Celt, the 32 County Sovereignty Movement (32CSM) claims that six members have fled the country "in fear of their lives".
The group, which insists it is a political organisation and deny they are vigilantes, say that the ring leaders of the TCRG gang had been using young people in the Cavan town to carry out a wide range of criminal activities. This included assaulting people, street drinking and breaking into houses to more serious offences such as drug dealing and stealing firearms from private properties.
This crime gang, the statement said, had five leading individuals that were influencing the young vulnerable people of Cavan to commit these crimes for there own personal gain, through the selling of drugs to extortion of money from businesses. It was these individuals that prompted and influenced young vulnerable people in Cavan to start a gang and call themselves the TCRG, which is believed to stand for the Cavan Rebellion Gang.
The statement added: "After months of violent crime on the streets of Cavan and the attacks of innocent people the 32CSM were contacted by concerned residents from Cavan town too scared to contact the gardaí, and who were terrified to walk the streets of Cavan because of this anti-social element calling themselves the TCRG.
Over the last number of weeks the 32 County Sovereignty Movement visited the homes and talked to the parents of some of these individuals who were identified to us as having been members of this criminal gang TCRG."
The movement claims that within the last number of days, a number of parents of those involved with the TCRG have come forward with their sons and daughters stating that they are no longer involved with this TCRG gang and that they will be advising others to leave the gang too.
"We in the 32CSM welcome this recent development and we call for the remaining TCRG members to disband. The 32CSM is happy to confirm that the five criminal figures that had moved to Cavan town from Limerick, Dublin and Cavan have now fled there homes in the Cavan area." The movement said it would continue to monitor events on the ground and have their presence in the area should the need arise again.
In conclusion the statement said: "We want to state that the 32CSM will be there to support anyone or community that is under siege or that feel threatened by criminals or anti-social elements in their society throughout Ireland."
Its hard to know whats going on here. The TCRG is a small bunch of little scumbags from Cavan who have been behind a number of unprovoked assaults in town of late.Most of them are on curfew and some are on bail awaiting trial next month for assault.They have been very quiet of late thank god,but as for the claim that the gang has been broken up,well I believe its just talk.
I would like to know what exactly the 32 CSM are trying to achieve.Are they a political movement with aims and an agenda or are they just a glorified vigilante group??
They are the political wing of the RIRA and they are trying to fill a vigilante void left in certain placed by the non existance of the provos with a view to build a support base and I suppose get some new members. Their goal is to destroy the GFA. After that they haven't a clue what they are going to do.
Cuig - I'm from Cavan and I can tell you everyone is not like that. Perhaps that was your measly attempt at comedy who knows or cares.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on August 28, 2009, 09:37:18 AM
Cuig - I'm from Cavan and I can tell you everyone is not like that. Perhaps that was your measly attempt at comedy who knows or cares.
Your dead right, I believe there are quite a few "foreign nationals" living in Cavan nowadays. ;)
Quote from: Cúig huaire on August 29, 2009, 06:46:24 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on August 28, 2009, 09:37:18 AM
Cuig - I'm from Cavan and I can tell you everyone is not like that. Perhaps that was your measly attempt at comedy who knows or cares.
Your dead right, I believe there are quite a few "foreign nationals" living in Cavan nowadays. ;)
Hilarious,it must have taken you the 2 full days to think of that one.You should put that one in the joke thread too while your at it. What part of Down do you live in anyway Cuig??
These young fella's with guns make me want to f**king puek . These guys think their tough and believe they have an ideology on their side . Chop the fcukers hands off and beat the fcuk out of them and you wouldn't be long seeing shyte their trousers and wimper home to their mammy's . Clueless cnuts . :(
Quote from: Cúig huaire on August 27, 2009, 12:13:07 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 27, 2009, 12:00:57 AM
Cúig Huaire - as you seem to be supportive of these checkpoints can you please tell me what your friends are trying to achieve? Seems a bit pointless and idiotic to me so enlighten me.
I do not support these checkpoints. They are pointless in my opinion. If they want to go out and actually do something, go ahead, but standing at an isolated crossroads, stopping locals is not going to achieve anything. Those in charge need to take these people in hand and tell them to wise up.
"If theywant to go out and actually do something,go ahead"
I assume you mean shoot some innocent young lad ordering pizza or a policeman out doing his job.
You should be ASHAMED.
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on August 30, 2009, 01:19:57 PM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on August 27, 2009, 12:13:07 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 27, 2009, 12:00:57 AM
Cúig Huaire - as you seem to be supportive of these checkpoints can you please tell me what your friends are trying to achieve? Seems a bit pointless and idiotic to me so enlighten me.
I do not support these checkpoints. They are pointless in my opinion. If they want to go out and actually do something, go ahead, but standing at an isolated crossroads, stopping locals is not going to achieve anything. Those in charge need to take these people in hand and tell them to wise up.
"If theywant to go out and actually do something,go ahead"
I assume you mean shoot some innocent young lad ordering pizza or a policeman out doing his job.
You should be ASHAMED.
They were in the army not fuckin riverdance.
Quote from: SidelineKick on August 31, 2009, 08:33:41 AM
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on August 30, 2009, 01:19:57 PM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on August 27, 2009, 12:13:07 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 27, 2009, 12:00:57 AM
Cúig Huaire - as you seem to be supportive of these checkpoints can you please tell me what your friends are trying to achieve? Seems a bit pointless and idiotic to me so enlighten me.
I do not support these checkpoints. They are pointless in my opinion. If they want to go out and actually do something, go ahead, but standing at an isolated crossroads, stopping locals is not going to achieve anything. Those in charge need to take these people in hand and tell them to wise up.
"If theywant to go out and actually do something,go ahead"
I assume you mean shoot some innocent young lad ordering pizza or a policeman out doing his job.
You should be ASHAMED.
They were in the army not fuckin riverdance.
Probably like those army boys, Armaghtothebone does not know there's a war going on.
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on August 30, 2009, 01:19:57 PM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on August 27, 2009, 12:13:07 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 27, 2009, 12:00:57 AM
Cúig Huaire - as you seem to be supportive of these checkpoints can you please tell me what your friends are trying to achieve? Seems a bit pointless and idiotic to me so enlighten me.
I do not support these checkpoints. They are pointless in my opinion. If they want to go out and actually do something, go ahead, but standing at an isolated crossroads, stopping locals is not going to achieve anything. Those in charge need to take these people in hand and tell them to wise up.
"If theywant to go out and actually do something,go ahead"
I assume you mean shoot some innocent young lad ordering pizza or a policeman out doing his job.
You should be ASHAMED.
HA
There's some right f**king geniuses after posting here the last day or so . Oh right I see yeah there's a big war going on is there ?Dimwitted shit for brains I reckon . Young fellas with too much time on their hands and too lazy to get involved with sport . Thick cnuts .
Patriotism , the last refuge of the scoundrel .
Quote from: Bing Crosby . on August 31, 2009, 12:23:39 PM
There's some right f**king geniuses after posting here the last day or so . Oh right I see yeah there's a big war going on is there ?Dimwitted shit for brains I reckon . Young fellas with too much time on their hands and too lazy to get involved with sport . Thick cnuts .
Patriotism , the last refuge of the scoundrel .
Calm down Bing. You can't be a soldier in a country where you aren't wanted by a large section of the population and expect to walk around as if you're best buds. If you're a soldier then you have to expect to be involved in such things. Regardless of the intelligence of the men involved these soldiers simply got too relaxed.
Quote from: SidelineKick on August 31, 2009, 12:40:05 PM
Quote from: Bing Crosby . on August 31, 2009, 12:23:39 PM
There's some right f**king geniuses after posting here the last day or so . Oh right I see yeah there's a big war going on is there ?Dimwitted shit for brains I reckon . Young fellas with too much time on their hands and too lazy to get involved with sport . Thick cnuts .
Patriotism , the last refuge of the scoundrel .
Calm down Bing. You can't be a soldier in a country where you aren't wanted by a large section of the population and expect to walk around as if you're best buds. If you're a soldier then you have to expect to be involved in such things. Regardless of the intelligence of the men involved these soldiers simply got too relaxed.
So they should be shot because they're too relaxed is it ?
Do you believe these soldiers here in the north are here because they reckon they're at war with us , if you believe that others probably do also and there's not much hope for us. Folks are folks .
It's Dail Eireann is where the scumbags are . There is where you should be planting f**king bombs , not murdering two young innocent Brittish soldiers who know f**k all about anything .
::) When you're in the army bing, you lose your "innocent" status.
Quote from: Bing Crosby . on August 31, 2009, 02:01:00 PM
Quote from: SidelineKick on August 31, 2009, 12:40:05 PM
Quote from: Bing Crosby . on August 31, 2009, 12:23:39 PM
There's some right f**king geniuses after posting here the last day or so . Oh right I see yeah there's a big war going on is there ?Dimwitted shit for brains I reckon . Young fellas with too much time on their hands and too lazy to get involved with sport . Thick cnuts .
Patriotism , the last refuge of the scoundrel .
Calm down Bing. You can't be a soldier in a country where you aren't wanted by a large section of the population and expect to walk around as if you're best buds. If you're a soldier then you have to expect to be involved in such things. Regardless of the intelligence of the men involved these soldiers simply got too relaxed.
So they should be shot because they're too relaxed is it ?
Do you believe these soldiers here in the north are here because they reckon they're at war with us , if you believe that others probably do also and there's not much hope for us. Folks are folks .
It's Dail Eireann is where the scumbags are . There is where you should be planting f**king bombs , not murdering two young innocent Brittish soldiers who know f**k all about anything .
How exactly can you say they are innocent when in the next breath you say you know nothing about them?
Weren't they just about to head off to Iraq? I'm sure they wouldn't have harmed a fly over there though ;)
I'm not saying they should be shot because they're too relaxed but they certainly cant complain. They knew there was still a threat there.
I dont reckon the soldiers think theres a war going on, nor do the vast majority of us, but they are here, in a hostile environment, albeit slightly less hostile than in the past, with the threat of an attack on them and they think they are safe going out in the pjs and slippers to collect a pizza?
They're the stupid ones if you ask me.
Young soldiers stationed because of their whacked out politacal masters should not feel under threat from late teens and early twenty year old psychopathatic drug addicts with guns. Who do these kids represent ? Not me and that's for sure . You know as well as I that these Brittish soldiers couldn't give a flying f**k about war or invasions , they join the army for a job and an income , basically financial security .
These f**king RIRA idiots should be all castrated and then chop their f**king hands and legs off . What do they actually think they're going to achieve ? They're plainly in it for their own financial gain . Criminal drug addict psychopathic scum is all they are and everybody knows it . When you get older you'll learn to see through the likes of these self deluders .
Quote from: Bing Crosby . on August 31, 2009, 12:23:39 PM
There's some right f**king geniuses after posting here the last day or so . Oh right I see yeah there's a big war going on is there ?Dimwitted shit for brains I reckon . Young fellas with too much time on their hands and too lazy to get involved with sport . Thick cnuts .
Patriotism , the last refuge of the scoundrel .
Maybe they should be out marching round a football field at a "commemoration", is that your idea of sport?
Quote from: Bing Crosby . on August 31, 2009, 03:15:13 PM
Young soldiers stationed because of their whacked out politacal masters should not feel under threat from late teens and early twenty year old psychopathatic drug addicts with guns. Who do these kids represent ? Not me and that's for sure . You know as well as I that these Brittish soldiers couldn't give a flying f**k about war or invasions , they join the army for a job and an income , basically financial security .
These f**king RIRA idiots should be all castrated and then chop their f**king hands and legs off . What do they actually think they're going to achieve ? They're plainly in it for their own financial gain . Criminal drug addict psychopathic scum is all they are and everybody knows it . When you get older you'll learn to see through the likes of these self deluders .
While I have no time for the real IRA your attempts to paint soldiers as young innocents is ridiculous, they're soldiers!!!!
Quote from: Bing Crosby . on August 31, 2009, 03:15:13 PM
Young soldiers stationed because of their whacked out politacal masters should not feel under threat from late teens and early twenty year old psychopathatic drug addicts with guns. Who do these kids represent ? Not me and that's for sure . You know as well as I that these Brittish soldiers couldn't give a flying f**k about war or invasions , they join the army for a job and an income , basically financial security .
These f**king RIRA idiots should be all castrated and then chop their f**king hands and legs off . What do they actually think they're going to achieve ? They're plainly in it for their own financial gain . Criminal drug addict psychopathic scum is all they are and everybody knows it . When you get older you'll learn to see through the likes of these self deluders .
Two issues with your post:
1) How do you know the age of those that killed the soldiers?
2) How do you know what age I am?
All I know is that if you become a soldier, whether that be for financial security, to serve your country, to flex your muscles etc etc, you cannot complain if you are attacked when you are in a country that you shouldnt be in.
You cant play with fire and then complain because you get burned.
Quote from: Bing Crosby . on August 31, 2009, 03:15:13 PM
These f**king RIRA idiots should be all castrated and then chop their f**king hands and legs off . What do they actually think they're going to achieve ? They're plainly in it for their own financial gain . Criminal drug addict psychopathic scum is all they are and everybody knows it . When you get older you'll learn to see through the likes of these self deluders .
And you would do this? Or would you call in the PSNI? ::)
Quote from: Cúig huaire on August 31, 2009, 03:25:34 PM
Quote from: Bing Crosby . on August 31, 2009, 03:15:13 PM
These f**king RIRA idiots should be all castrated and then chop their f**king hands and legs off . What do they actually think they're going to achieve ? They're plainly in it for their own financial gain . Criminal drug addict psychopathic scum is all they are and everybody knows it . When you get older you'll learn to see through the likes of these self deluders .
And you would do this? Or would you call in the PSNI? ::)
He could get you, the board "Toughman" to do it. :D
:D
No thanks, I`d rather watch bing try it ;)
I don't know of course the ages of these fools or those like yourself who admire them .
But generally it's youngsters who get all riled up with patriotism at a certain age . When the realities of life hit them they soon realise how stupid they are . Some are lucky and manage to live without completely f**king their lives up or even more so luckier for others that they don't interfere with the lives of innocents .
I would gladly chop the bollucks off of any of these shitheads . I'd have no problem chainsawing their limbs off . These guy's are worthless scum who bring fear and terror into an already scum filled and fearful society . No sympathy whatsoever . But as I've said in a previous post the real scum facade themselves as our political representitives . These are the cnuts that warrant immediate extermination .
Quote from: Bing Crosby . on August 31, 2009, 04:12:43 PM
I would gladly chop the bollucks off of any of these shitheads . I'd have no problem chainsawing their limbs off . These guy's are worthless scum who bring fear and terror into an already scum filled and fearful society . No sympathy whatsoever . But as I've said in a previous post the real scum facade themselves as our political representitives . These are the cnuts that warrant immediate extermination .
You have got to be on the wind up? You complain about people bringing fear and terror, yet you would "have no problem chainsawing their limbs off ". Thats even more pathetic than armed masked men complaining about anti social behaviour. ::)
Quote from: Bing Crosby . on August 31, 2009, 04:12:43 PM
I don't know of course the ages of these fools or those like yourself who admire them .
But generally it's youngsters who get all riled up with patriotism at a certain age . When the realities of life hit them they soon realise how stupid they are . Some are lucky and manage to live without completely f**king their lives up or even more so luckier for others that they don't interfere with the lives of innocents .
I would gladly chop the bollucks off of any of these shitheads . I'd have no problem chainsawing their limbs off . These guy's are worthless scum who bring fear and terror into an already scum filled and fearful society . No sympathy whatsoever . But as I've said in a previous post the real scum facade themselves as our political representitives . These are the cnuts that warrant immediate extermination .
Yes these guys are my idols ::)
I am simply making a point.
The RIRA have no support, I dont support them. The shooting of the soldiers was stupid, but do I have any sympathy for them being killed? Do I f**k.
You've a bit of a fascination with balls by the way. If you were to cut anyones balls off followed by their limbs, with a chainsaw no less, I would certainly consider you a scum bag.
If you get stopped by an RIRA checkpoint and you don't have ID with you, do you have 14 days to bring it along to the nearest RIRA station?
Fcuk I've nearly wet myself reading this thread! :D :D :D
To Cuig and Sideline ,
You guys appear to come over as sympathisers to the RIRA . The " how dare Briittsh soldiers ponse around our beloved green land brigade " types . Yet you you squirm and seem repelled when radical actions and solutions are spelled out to you . Conveniently you catagorise me as a sc**bag . I can tell you that I am far from a sc**bag . Ye are blinded by conventionality and constructivism .
I am certainly not a RIRA sympathiser, I just dont give a f**k about the British army.
In all fairness Bing, you sound like a scum bag with all this talk of cutting people up with chainsaws. Hardly the words of a respectable gentleman.
Good i'm glad to hear you're not a RIRA sympathiser . For the record I am niether a sc**bag nor a gentleman . I am just your regular guy who acts accordingly to whatever situation presents itself . No time for these dummies bringing us backwards in the name of patriotism .
you cannot complain if you are attacked when you are in a country that you shouldnt be in.
Maybe they should not be here, at least they arent on the streets anymore. But weither i or anyone likes it, this is a a british controled country/statlet etc. So Britian sees it as within their rights to base soldiers here.
If anyone has to die here because of their actions I hope it is them not some brit soldier and not a member of the PSNi, I would prefer, much prefer to see these bastids lying on a slab where they belong. Terrorist, drug dealing, anti social scumbags, may they all rot in hell.
Quote from: dillinger on August 31, 2009, 08:49:13 PM
you cannot complain if you are attacked when you are in a country that you shouldnt be in.
Maybe they should not be here, at least they arent on the streets anymore. But weither i or anyone likes it, this is a a british controled country/statlet etc. So Britian sees it as within their rights to base soldiers here.
Certainly. But in a place like the north you will then also have people who feel that they have no right to be here. And whether you agree or disagree, some of these people may feel like they are the true republicans, they are carrying on the fight. For years the Provisional IRA had opposition from a large section of the nationalist community but it didn't stop them from continuing. They have just become better at brain washing people.
As deluded as it may seem, you cannot tar everyone in the RIRA with the same brush, and some of them may actually think they are the
real IRA, saying as the Provisionals are now sitting in a British government.
PS Bing I am not a supporter of the RIRA just in case this looks like I am.
Quote from: SidelineKick on September 01, 2009, 09:06:42 AM
Certainly. But in a place like the north you will then also have people who feel that they have no right to be here. And whether you agree or disagree, some of these people may feel like they are the true republicans, they are carrying on the fight. For years the Provisional IRA had opposition from a large section of the nationalist community but it didn't stop them from continuing. They have just become better at brain washing people.
As deluded as it may seem, you cannot tar everyone in the RIRA with the same brush, and some of them may actually think they are the real IRA, saying as the Provisionals are now sitting in a British government.
PS Bing I am not a supporter of the RIRA just in case this looks like I am.
Yeah, I'm sure the ringleaders of the RIRA are all about the republican ideals and not about the money. ::)
Quote from: Hound on September 01, 2009, 09:14:37 AM
Quote from: SidelineKick on September 01, 2009, 09:06:42 AM
Certainly. But in a place like the north you will then also have people who feel that they have no right to be here. And whether you agree or disagree, some of these people may feel like they are the true republicans, they are carrying on the fight. For years the Provisional IRA had opposition from a large section of the nationalist community but it didn't stop them from continuing. They have just become better at brain washing people.
As deluded as it may seem, you cannot tar everyone in the RIRA with the same brush, and some of them may actually think they are the real IRA, saying as the Provisionals are now sitting in a British government.
PS Bing I am not a supporter of the RIRA just in case this looks like I am.
Yeah, I'm sure the ringleaders of the RIRA are all about the republican ideals and not about the money. ::)
When the Provos were winding down, there were the same sort of accusations levelled at them from various places thet they had abandoned the so called war in favour of muggled diesel, cigarettes, even drugs and comfy government offices and chauffeur driven ministerial cars.
As one Irish News columnist famously put it, it's all about timing.
Hound, which is why I said some. I would go further and say a small minority if that makes you happy. In fact there might be none! But I'm just saying.
Orangeman, you're bang on.
SF have become masters at looking down on people that disagree with them. They have hi jacked republicanism.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 31, 2009, 03:20:39 PM
Quote from: Bing Crosby . on August 31, 2009, 03:15:13 PM
Young soldiers stationed because of their whacked out politacal masters should not feel under threat from late teens and early twenty year old psychopathatic drug addicts with guns. Who do these kids represent ? Not me and that's for sure . You know as well as I that these Brittish soldiers couldn't give a flying f**k about war or invasions , they join the army for a job and an income , basically financial security .
These f**king RIRA idiots should be all castrated and then chop their f**king hands and legs off . What do they actually think they're going to achieve ? They're plainly in it for their own financial gain . Criminal drug addict psychopathic scum is all they are and everybody knows it . When you get older you'll learn to see through the likes of these self deluders .
While I have no time for the real IRA your attempts to paint soldiers as young innocents is ridiculous, they're soldiers!!!!
Bollix pints, the average brit soldier is a f**king gimp that would be lucky to point out ireland on a map. They sign up to do a job for "their" country. Its a pity ours cannot afford us the same opportunities.
Quote from: man in black on September 01, 2009, 09:44:59 AM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 31, 2009, 03:20:39 PM
Quote from: Bing Crosby . on August 31, 2009, 03:15:13 PM
Young soldiers stationed because of their whacked out politacal masters should not feel under threat from late teens and early twenty year old psychopathatic drug addicts with guns. Who do these kids represent ? Not me and that's for sure . You know as well as I that these Brittish soldiers couldn't give a flying f**k about war or invasions , they join the army for a job and an income , basically financial security .
These f**king RIRA idiots should be all castrated and then chop their f**king hands and legs off . What do they actually think they're going to achieve ? They're plainly in it for their own financial gain . Criminal drug addict psychopathic scum is all they are and everybody knows it . When you get older you'll learn to see through the likes of these self deluders .
While I have no time for the real IRA your attempts to paint soldiers as young innocents is ridiculous, they're soldiers!!!!
Bollix pints, the average brit soldier is a f**king gimp that would be lucky to point out ireland on a map. They sign up to do a job for "their" country. Its a pity ours cannot afford us the same opportunities.
They sign up to be soldiers, whether they can point out Ireland on a map or not is irrelevant, they are soldiers!!
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 01, 2009, 01:18:57 PM
Quote from: man in black on September 01, 2009, 09:44:59 AM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 31, 2009, 03:20:39 PM
Quote from: Bing Crosby . on August 31, 2009, 03:15:13 PM
Young soldiers stationed because of their whacked out politacal masters should not feel under threat from late teens and early twenty year old psychopathatic drug addicts with guns. Who do these kids represent ? Not me and that's for sure . You know as well as I that these Brittish soldiers couldn't give a flying f**k about war or invasions , they join the army for a job and an income , basically financial security .
These f**king RIRA idiots should be all castrated and then chop their f**king hands and legs off . What do they actually think they're going to achieve ? They're plainly in it for their own financial gain . Criminal drug addict psychopathic scum is all they are and everybody knows it . When you get older you'll learn to see through the likes of these self deluders .
While I have no time for the real IRA your attempts to paint soldiers as young innocents is ridiculous, they're soldiers!!!!
Bollix pints, the average brit soldier is a f**king gimp that would be lucky to point out ireland on a map. They sign up to do a job for "their" country. Its a pity ours cannot afford us the same opportunities.
They sign up to be soldiers, whether they can point out Ireland on a map or not is irrelevant, they are soldiers!!
"..and if a terrorist sc**bag decides to take them out, then good enough for them"
I take it that's your point about soldiers.
Well it's not that it's "good enough for them" hound, I'm just saying they cant be painted as being innocent as you would a civillian, they are f**king soldiers! They knew what they were signing up to! If an IRA member was shot who here would describe them as being innocent?
This "innocent young lad" rubbish about soldiers is absurd.
Quote from: Hound on September 01, 2009, 01:26:15 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 01, 2009, 01:18:57 PM
Quote from: man in black on September 01, 2009, 09:44:59 AM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 31, 2009, 03:20:39 PM
Quote from: Bing Crosby . on August 31, 2009, 03:15:13 PM
Young soldiers stationed because of their whacked out politacal masters should not feel under threat from late teens and early twenty year old psychopathatic drug addicts with guns. Who do these kids represent ? Not me and that's for sure . You know as well as I that these Brittish soldiers couldn't give a flying f**k about war or invasions , they join the army for a job and an income , basically financial security .
These f**king RIRA idiots should be all castrated and then chop their f**king hands and legs off . What do they actually think they're going to achieve ? They're plainly in it for their own financial gain . Criminal drug addict psychopathic scum is all they are and everybody knows it . When you get older you'll learn to see through the likes of these self deluders .
While I have no time for the real IRA your attempts to paint soldiers as young innocents is ridiculous, they're soldiers!!!!
Bollix pints, the average brit soldier is a f**king gimp that would be lucky to point out ireland on a map. They sign up to do a job for "their" country. Its a pity ours cannot afford us the same opportunities.
They sign up to be soldiers, whether they can point out Ireland on a map or not is irrelevant, they are soldiers!!
"..and if a terrorist sc**bag decides to take them out, then good enough for them"
I take it that's your point about soldiers.
What makes the "terrorist" any more of a scum bag than if the soldier was to go and shoot dead someone in Iraq. Do you think everyone that is killed in Iraq is guilty? Do you think all the deaths here by British soldiers were justified?
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 01, 2009, 01:28:57 PM
Well it's not that it's "good enough for them" hound, I'm just saying they cant be painted as being innocent as you would a civillian, they are f**king soldiers! They knew what they were signing up to! If an IRA member was shot who here would describe them as being innocent?
This "innocent young lad" rubbish about soldiers is absurd.
They might know what they are signing up for when they get posted to Iraq, but I'd be pretty positive the lads over here had (at least until recently) no idea whatsover that some people regard them as legitimate targets for attacks. Its not as if the soldiers are allowed go and round up RIRA members.
Quote from: Hound on September 01, 2009, 01:42:56 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 01, 2009, 01:28:57 PM
Well it's not that it's "good enough for them" hound, I'm just saying they cant be painted as being innocent as you would a civillian, they are f**king soldiers! They knew what they were signing up to! If an IRA member was shot who here would describe them as being innocent?
This "innocent young lad" rubbish about soldiers is absurd.
They might know what they are signing up for when they get posted to Iraq, but I'd be pretty positive the lads over here had (at least until recently) no idea whatsover that some people regard them as legitimate targets for attacks. Its not as if the soldiers are allowed go and round up RIRA members.
No that's the police's job and they still manage to fcuk that up, lifting people with no evidence or just lazily lifting the same old faces, it's not like they don't have decent intel.
Quote from: Hound on September 01, 2009, 01:42:56 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 01, 2009, 01:28:57 PM
Well it's not that it's "good enough for them" hound, I'm just saying they cant be painted as being innocent as you would a civillian, they are f**king soldiers! They knew what they were signing up to! If an IRA member was shot who here would describe them as being innocent?
This "innocent young lad" rubbish about soldiers is absurd.
They might know what they are signing up for when they get posted to Iraq, but I'd be pretty positive the lads over here had (at least until recently) no idea whatsover that some people regard them as legitimate targets for attacks. Its not as if the soldiers are allowed go and round up RIRA members.
Even though you and I and everyone else in the country knew that dissidents still posed a serious threat? Did the IMC not say something along those lines? If we were able to know I would like to think the soldiers themselves would know.
You're talking nonsense I'm afraid. The sympathy level remains at zero.
Quote from: Hound on September 01, 2009, 01:42:56 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 01, 2009, 01:28:57 PM
Well it's not that it's "good enough for them" hound, I'm just saying they cant be painted as being innocent as you would a civillian, they are f**king soldiers! They knew what they were signing up to! If an IRA member was shot who here would describe them as being innocent?
This "innocent young lad" rubbish about soldiers is absurd.
They might know what they are signing up for when they get posted to Iraq, but I'd be pretty positive the lads over here had (at least until recently) no idea whatsover that some people regard them as legitimate targets for attacks. Its not as if the soldiers are allowed go and round up RIRA members.
Well if they didnt someone failed them badly as you'd expect that to be in their training, not to mention the fact that they were put on high alert days before the attack as they were expecting something from the RIRA
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on September 01, 2009, 01:46:10 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 01, 2009, 01:42:56 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 01, 2009, 01:28:57 PM
Well it's not that it's "good enough for them" hound, I'm just saying they cant be painted as being innocent as you would a civillian, they are f**king soldiers! They knew what they were signing up to! If an IRA member was shot who here would describe them as being innocent?
This "innocent young lad" rubbish about soldiers is absurd.
They might know what they are signing up for when they get posted to Iraq, but I'd be pretty positive the lads over here had (at least until recently) no idea whatsover that some people regard them as legitimate targets for attacks. Its not as if the soldiers are allowed go and round up RIRA members.
No that's the police's job and they still manage to fcuk that up, lifting people with no evidence or just lazily lifting the same old faces, it's not like they don't have decent intel.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 01, 2009, 01:59:31 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 01, 2009, 01:42:56 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 01, 2009, 01:28:57 PM
Well it's not that it's "good enough for them" hound, I'm just saying they cant be painted as being innocent as you would a civillian, they are f**king soldiers! They knew what they were signing up to! If an IRA member was shot who here would describe them as being innocent?
This "innocent young lad" rubbish about soldiers is absurd.
They might know what they are signing up for when they get posted to Iraq, but I'd be pretty positive the lads over here had (at least until recently) no idea whatsover that some people regard them as legitimate targets for attacks. Its not as if the soldiers are allowed go and round up RIRA members.
Well if they didnt someone failed them badly as you'd expect that to be in their training, not to mention the fact that they were put on high alert days before the attack as they were expecting something from the RIRA
Can you imagine how lax things must have been if thy were supposed to be on "high alert" that Saturday night ?
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 01, 2009, 01:28:57 PM
Well it's not that it's "good enough for them" hound, I'm just saying they cant be painted as being innocent as you would a civillian, they are f**king soldiers! They knew what they were signing up to! If an IRA member was shot who here would describe them as being innocent?
This "innocent young lad" rubbish about soldiers is absurd.
What's the story on the police these days then? Are they still 'legitimate targets'? Or are they now 'innocent'?
Quote from: Maguire01 on September 01, 2009, 05:48:11 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 01, 2009, 01:28:57 PM
Well it's not that it's "good enough for them" hound, I'm just saying they cant be painted as being innocent as you would a civillian, they are f**king soldiers! They knew what they were signing up to! If an IRA member was shot who here would describe them as being innocent?
This "innocent young lad" rubbish about soldiers is absurd.
What's the story on the police these days then? Are they still 'legitimate targets'? Or are they now 'innocent'?
I'd say they're legitimate targets for anyone who wants to shoot at them, like the soldiers they know what they're signing up to.
Quote from: Maguire01 on September 01, 2009, 05:48:11 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 01, 2009, 01:28:57 PM
Well it's not that it's "good enough for them" hound, I'm just saying they cant be painted as being innocent as you would a civillian, they are f**king soldiers! They knew what they were signing up to! If an IRA member was shot who here would describe them as being innocent?
This "innocent young lad" rubbish about soldiers is absurd.
What's the story on the police these days then? Are they still 'legitimate targets'? Or are they now 'innocent'?
They are still aware of the dangers of joining the cops. It is far from a normal police force and the fact that it was so widely reported that dissidents were posing a threat, then cops too are fully aware of what they are getting themslelves into.
PS I did not agree with the killing of that last cop. Merely making an observation as I see it.
Quote from: SidelineKick on September 01, 2009, 05:52:55 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on September 01, 2009, 05:48:11 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 01, 2009, 01:28:57 PM
Well it's not that it's "good enough for them" hound, I'm just saying they cant be painted as being innocent as you would a civillian, they are f**king soldiers! They knew what they were signing up to! If an IRA member was shot who here would describe them as being innocent?
This "innocent young lad" rubbish about soldiers is absurd.
What's the story on the police these days then? Are they still 'legitimate targets'? Or are they now 'innocent'?
They are still aware of the dangers of joining the cops. It is far from a normal police force and the fact that it was so widely reported that dissidents were posing a threat, then cops too are fully aware of what they are getting themslelves into.
PS I did not agree with the killing of that last cop. Merely making an observation as I see it.
But you were happy enough with all the previous ones?
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 01, 2009, 05:50:31 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on September 01, 2009, 05:48:11 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 01, 2009, 01:28:57 PM
Well it's not that it's "good enough for them" hound, I'm just saying they cant be painted as being innocent as you would a civillian, they are f**king soldiers! They knew what they were signing up to! If an IRA member was shot who here would describe them as being innocent?
This "innocent young lad" rubbish about soldiers is absurd.
What's the story on the police these days then? Are they still 'legitimate targets'? Or are they now 'innocent'?
I'd say they're legitimate targets for anyone who wants to shoot at them, like the soldiers they know what they're signing up to.
Quote from: SidelineKick on September 01, 2009, 05:52:55 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on September 01, 2009, 05:48:11 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 01, 2009, 01:28:57 PM
Well it's not that it's "good enough for them" hound, I'm just saying they cant be painted as being innocent as you would a civillian, they are f**king soldiers! They knew what they were signing up to! If an IRA member was shot who here would describe them as being innocent?
This "innocent young lad" rubbish about soldiers is absurd.
What's the story on the police these days then? Are they still 'legitimate targets'? Or are they now 'innocent'?
They are still aware of the dangers of joining the cops. It is far from a normal police force and the fact that it was so widely reported that dissidents were posing a threat, then cops too are fully aware of what they are getting themslelves into.
I realise that they're fully aware of the dangers they're going to be faced with. I was just wondering whether republicans (and not just the RIRA variety - some of the supposedly more moderate posters on this board) were making any distinction now between the police and the army.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 01, 2009, 05:50:31 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on September 01, 2009, 05:48:11 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 01, 2009, 01:28:57 PM
Well it's not that it's "good enough for them" hound, I'm just saying they cant be painted as being innocent as you would a civillian, they are f**king soldiers! They knew what they were signing up to! If an IRA member was shot who here would describe them as being innocent?
This "innocent young lad" rubbish about soldiers is absurd.
What's the story on the police these days then? Are they still 'legitimate targets'? Or are they now 'innocent'?
I'd say they're legitimate targets for anyone who wants to shoot at them, like the soldiers they know what they're signing up to.
:o
If youre happy enough to live in a lawless wild west society. What exactly makes a policeman/woman a legitimate target?
Now you're putting words in my mouth.
I'm sure you will agree, or perhaps not, that say in the 80s and early 90s in was more commonplace and therefore understood and almost accepted as part of that job. Although you or I might not think such a risk would be carried these days, that incident proved differently.
Its only not alright now because SF say so.
Quote from: SidelineKick on September 01, 2009, 06:03:20 PM
Now you're putting words in my mouth.
I don't think I am. You said:
PS I did not agree with the killing of that last cop.Does that mean that you agreed with the previous killings? If not, you could have said that you didn't ever agree with the killing of cops. But you made the distinction.
I'm not putting words in your mouth - i'm asking you a straight question and allowing you to clarify.
Quote from: SidelineKick on September 01, 2009, 06:03:20 PM
Its only not alright now because SF say so.
Are you serious or taking the piss?
Answer 1) Would I wish for a cop to get shot? No. Would I lose sleep when it did happen? No. Like a soldier, when joining the cops in the north, at those times, they also knew the risks.
2) What would make you think I'm taking the piss? Any republican not in SF with half an opinion now is an outcast.
Quote from: SidelineKick on September 01, 2009, 06:16:13 PM
Answer 1) Would I wish for a cop to get shot? No. Would I lose sleep when it did happen? No. Like a soldier, when joining the cops in the north, at those times, they also knew the risks.
It wasn't about what you
wished for or
lost sleep over. It was about whether you
agreed with the killings.
Quote from: SidelineKick on September 01, 2009, 06:16:13 PM
2) What would make you think I'm taking the piss? Any republican not in SF with half an opinion now is an outcast.
It's just strange that people can't decide what is right/wrong or acceptable/unacceptable without looking to SF. Have people no minds of their own?
Maybe you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not a SF supporter, nor do I support dissidents. I am a republican and I dont have to be affiliated with any organisation to have an opinion. What I meant was, its a disgrace the likes of McGuinness calling other men "traitors to Ireland" for doing what they did not all that long ago.
Quote from: Puckoon on September 01, 2009, 06:01:22 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 01, 2009, 05:50:31 PM
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Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 01, 2009, 01:28:57 PM
Well it's not that it's "good enough for them" hound, I'm just saying they cant be painted as being innocent as you would a civillian, they are f**king soldiers! They knew what they were signing up to! If an IRA member was shot who here would describe them as being innocent?
This "innocent young lad" rubbish about soldiers is absurd.
What's the story on the police these days then? Are they still 'legitimate targets'? Or are they now 'innocent'?
I'd say they're legitimate targets for anyone who wants to shoot at them, like the soldiers they know what they're signing up to.
:o
If youre happy enough to live in a lawless wild west society. What exactly makes a policeman/woman a legitimate target?
Because they're proping up British military presence. and I have grown up and lived in a lawless society and it's still lawless because the police will do NOTHING!
Quote from: SidelineKick on September 01, 2009, 06:28:13 PM
Maybe you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not a SF supporter, nor do I support dissidents. I am a republican and I dont have to be affiliated with any organisation to have an opinion. What I meant was, its a disgrace the likes of McGuinness calling other men "traitors to Ireland" for doing what they did not all that long ago.
Agree with that, lost a lot of respect for him after that.
Hold on pints, they are legitimate targets for being shot at because your opinion suggests they are propping up british military presence?
So if a young catholic lad goes out to earn some money and joins the PSNI, its ok if RIRA members shoot him?
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 01, 2009, 06:35:13 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on September 01, 2009, 06:01:22 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 01, 2009, 05:50:31 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on September 01, 2009, 05:48:11 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 01, 2009, 01:28:57 PM
Well it's not that it's "good enough for them" hound, I'm just saying they cant be painted as being innocent as you would a civillian, they are f**king soldiers! They knew what they were signing up to! If an IRA member was shot who here would describe them as being innocent?
This "innocent young lad" rubbish about soldiers is absurd.
What's the story on the police these days then? Are they still 'legitimate targets'? Or are they now 'innocent'?
I'd say they're legitimate targets for anyone who wants to shoot at them, like the soldiers they know what they're signing up to.
:o
If youre happy enough to live in a lawless wild west society. What exactly makes a policeman/woman a legitimate target?
Because they're proping up British military presence. and I have grown up and lived in a lawless society and it's still lawless because the police will do NOTHING!
So should we just have no police? Or just no police until there's a united Ireland?
Quote from: SidelineKick on September 01, 2009, 06:28:13 PM
Maybe you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not a SF supporter, nor do I support dissidents. I am a republican and I dont have to be affiliated with any organisation to have an opinion. What I meant was, its a disgrace the likes of McGuinness calling other men "traitors to Ireland" for doing what they did not all that long ago.
Yes, I agree. It's the height of hypocricy.
But you still haven't said whether it was
acceptable to shoot cops, prior to the recent killing in Craigavon. That was my question. And if it was, what has changed since (other than SF changing their position)?
Quote from: Puckoon on September 01, 2009, 06:45:29 PM
Hold on pints, they are legitimate targets for being shot at because your opinion suggests they are propping up british military presence?
So if a young catholic lad goes out to earn some money and joins the PSNI, its ok if RIRA members shoot him?
I'm not saying it's ok for anyone to shoot anyone, the young lad will know what he's signing up to and that the RUC is still a long way from being an acceptable police force to a lot of nationalists.
QuoteSo should we just have no police? Or just no police until there's a united Ireland?
No, we should have a proper, accountable police force that represents the whole community.
But it's not the RUC is it? The RUC is a convenient tag from those who want it to fail. Until people realize that attitudes which suggest it's ok to shoot at the police in northern Ireland are outdated, nothing is going to change. How do we get a more balanced police force (which I assume you want) if we can't get Catholics to join it because the "it's ok to shoot the cops" mentality still prevails?
I think we all need some group therapy... Now everyone repeat after me
"it's not ok to shoot people, it's not ok to shoot people, ITS NOT OK TO SHOOT PEOPLE"!
There's hugs and an ice cream social after were finished with our rehabilitation.
Quote from: Puckoon on September 01, 2009, 07:58:53 PM
But it's not the RUC is it? The RUC is a convenient tag from those who want it to fail. Until people realize that attitudes which suggest it's ok to shoot at the police in northern Ireland are outdated, nothing is going to change. How do we get a more balanced police force (which I assume you want) if we can't get Catholics to join it because the "it's ok to shoot the cops" mentality still prevails?
I think we all need some group therapy... Now everyone repeat after me
"it's not ok to shoot people, it's not ok to shoot people, ITS NOT OK TO SHOOT PEOPLE"!
There's hugs and an ice cream social after were finished with our rehabilitation.
Well it is the RUC, a new uniform and name doesnt change much.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 01, 2009, 08:01:17 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on September 01, 2009, 07:58:53 PM
But it's not the RUC is it? The RUC is a convenient tag from those who want it to fail. Until people realize that attitudes which suggest it's ok to shoot at the police in northern Ireland are outdated, nothing is going to change. How do we get a more balanced police force (which I assume you want) if we can't get Catholics to join it because the "it's ok to shoot the cops" mentality still prevails?
I think we all need some group therapy... Now everyone repeat after me
"it's not ok to shoot people, it's not ok to shoot people, ITS NOT OK TO SHOOT PEOPLE"!
There's hugs and an ice cream social after were finished with our rehabilitation.
Well it is the RUC, a new uniform and name doesnt change much.
Your ignorance of the changes that have taken place in policing here is understandable, given the fact that you live in England. Nationalists and republicans
have accepted the PSNI, if recruitment numbers are anything to go by. Out on the ground, the main gripe that nationalists would have with the police these days is that their response times leave something to be desired. The only people stiil refusing to recognise the new policing dispensation are the same people who go out shooting pizza delivery boys, together with their supporters. Oh yeah, and people who live in England.
My problem with the PSNI is that although there have been major changes to the way policiing is run here, there seems to be a reluctance (for want of a word) on their behalf to arrest and charge criminal elements in nationalist communities. Maybe the same thing happens in loyalist communities, I don't know for sure. All I know is that in some nationalist communities these scumbags are free to roam about day and night and practically terrorise some people. The PSNI obviously know who they are since they all have criminal records yet... they seem to get away with so much.
Quote from: Myles Na G. on September 01, 2009, 08:08:02 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 01, 2009, 08:01:17 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on September 01, 2009, 07:58:53 PM
But it's not the RUC is it? The RUC is a convenient tag from those who want it to fail. Until people realize that attitudes which suggest it's ok to shoot at the police in northern Ireland are outdated, nothing is going to change. How do we get a more balanced police force (which I assume you want) if we can't get Catholics to join it because the "it's ok to shoot the cops" mentality still prevails?
I think we all need some group therapy... Now everyone repeat after me
"it's not ok to shoot people, it's not ok to shoot people, ITS NOT OK TO SHOOT PEOPLE"!
There's hugs and an ice cream social after were finished with our rehabilitation.
Well it is the RUC, a new uniform and name doesnt change much.
Your ignorance of the changes that have taken place in policing here is understandable, given the fact that you live in England. Nationalists and republicans have accepted the PSNI, if recruitment numbers are anything to go by. Out on the ground, the main gripe that nationalists would have with the police these days is that their response times leave something to be desired. The only people stiil refusing to recognise the new policing dispensation are the same people who go out shooting pizza delivery boys, together with their supporters. Oh yeah, and people who live in England.
Nonsense, the police force is no more acceptable to many nationalists than it was years ago.
Look at Kevin McDaid's killing back in May, I seen no difference to the way it was handled by the RUC. My family and friends at home see no difference in the RUC/PSNI, houses being broken in to every night, elderly people afraid of the their lives and what's does the police do about it? Jack shit.
Btw, what does recruitment show? How many new recruits are nationalists from south armagh? I dont know of any.
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on September 01, 2009, 08:10:05 PM
My problem with the PSNI is that although there have been major changes to the way policiing is run here, there seems to be a reluctance (for want of a word) on their behalf to arrest and charge criminal elements in nationalist communities. Maybe the same thing happens in loyalist communities, I don't know for sure. All I know is that in some nationalist communities these scumbags are free to roam about day and night and practically terrorise some people. The PSNI obviously know who they are since they all have criminal records yet... they seem to get away with so much.
It may be straying off point, I don't know much about the PSNI but the same things are happening in most towns down South too. Little scumbags getting away with all sorts of crime,serving a month or 2(if any time at all) and coming out and bragging to their buddies about how f**king hard they are.I know of one lad in Cavan who actually turned down Community Service to do a few weeks in jail-hard as nails these boys. But in fairness its the judiciary system in most cases and not the Police who are to blame here. It may not b a problem alone in the North.
Quote from: boojangles on September 01, 2009, 08:30:20 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on September 01, 2009, 08:10:05 PM
My problem with the PSNI is that although there have been major changes to the way policiing is run here, there seems to be a reluctance (for want of a word) on their behalf to arrest and charge criminal elements in nationalist communities. Maybe the same thing happens in loyalist communities, I don't know for sure. All I know is that in some nationalist communities these scumbags are free to roam about day and night and practically terrorise some people. The PSNI obviously know who they are since they all have criminal records yet... they seem to get away with so much.
It may be straying off point, I don't know much about the PSNI but the same things are happening in most towns down South too. Little scumbags getting away with all sorts of crime,serving a month or 2(if any time at all) and coming out and bragging to their buddies about how f**king hard they are.I know of one lad in Cavan who actually turned down Community Service to do a few weeks in jail-hard as nails these boys. But in fairness its the judiciary system in most cases and not the Police who are to blame here. It may not b a problem alone in the North.
It's down to the police when there's no arrests. Go in to Crossmaglen and theres scumbags racing up and down a road outside a police station, only a matter of time before someone is killed, what do the police do? Nothing!
Robberies every night of the week and no arrests.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 01, 2009, 08:20:00 PM
Quote from: Myles Na G. on September 01, 2009, 08:08:02 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 01, 2009, 08:01:17 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on September 01, 2009, 07:58:53 PM
But it's not the RUC is it? The RUC is a convenient tag from those who want it to fail. Until people realize that attitudes which suggest it's ok to shoot at the police in northern Ireland are outdated, nothing is going to change. How do we get a more balanced police force (which I assume you want) if we can't get Catholics to join it because the "it's ok to shoot the cops" mentality still prevails?
I think we all need some group therapy... Now everyone repeat after me
"it's not ok to shoot people, it's not ok to shoot people, ITS NOT OK TO SHOOT PEOPLE"!
There's hugs and an ice cream social after were finished with our rehabilitation.
Well it is the RUC, a new uniform and name doesnt change much.
Your ignorance of the changes that have taken place in policing here is understandable, given the fact that you live in England. Nationalists and republicans have accepted the PSNI, if recruitment numbers are anything to go by. Out on the ground, the main gripe that nationalists would have with the police these days is that their response times leave something to be desired. The only people stiil refusing to recognise the new policing dispensation are the same people who go out shooting pizza delivery boys, together with their supporters. Oh yeah, and people who live in England.
Nonsense, the police force is no more acceptable to many nationalists than it was years ago.
Look at Kevin McDaid's killing back in May, I seen no difference to the way it was handled by the RUC. My family and friends at home see no difference in the RUC/PSNI, houses being broken in to every night, elderly people afraid of the their lives and what's does the police do about it? Jack shit.
Btw, what does recruitment show? How many new recruits are nationalists from south armagh? I dont know of any.
One reason could be that the dissedents would attack them and their families???
QuoteOne reason could be that the dissedents would attack them and their families???
That doesnt seem to be a deterent for all these nationalists we're being told have already joined.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 01, 2009, 08:20:00 PM
Quote from: Myles Na G. on September 01, 2009, 08:08:02 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 01, 2009, 08:01:17 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on September 01, 2009, 07:58:53 PM
But it's not the RUC is it? The RUC is a convenient tag from those who want it to fail. Until people realize that attitudes which suggest it's ok to shoot at the police in northern Ireland are outdated, nothing is going to change. How do we get a more balanced police force (which I assume you want) if we can't get Catholics to join it because the "it's ok to shoot the cops" mentality still prevails?
I think we all need some group therapy... Now everyone repeat after me
"it's not ok to shoot people, it's not ok to shoot people, ITS NOT OK TO SHOOT PEOPLE"!
There's hugs and an ice cream social after were finished with our rehabilitation.
Well it is the RUC, a new uniform and name doesnt change much.
Your ignorance of the changes that have taken place in policing here is understandable, given the fact that you live in England. Nationalists and republicans have accepted the PSNI, if recruitment numbers are anything to go by. Out on the ground, the main gripe that nationalists would have with the police these days is that their response times leave something to be desired. The only people stiil refusing to recognise the new policing dispensation are the same people who go out shooting pizza delivery boys, together with their supporters. Oh yeah, and people who live in England.
Nonsense, the police force is no more acceptable to many nationalists than it was years ago.
Look at Kevin McDaid's killing back in May, I seen no difference to the way it was handled by the RUC. My family and friends at home see no difference in the RUC/PSNI, houses being broken in to every night, elderly people afraid of the their lives and what's does the police do about it? Jack shit.
Btw, what does recruitment show? How many new recruits are nationalists from south armagh? I dont know of any.
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Like they're going to advertise the fact that they've joined the police in south Armagh? I don't think so.
QuoteLike they're going to advertise the fact that they've joined the police in south Armagh? I don't think so.
South armagh is a tight knit community, would be very hard to keep something like that to yourself.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 01, 2009, 08:53:42 PM
QuoteOne reason could be that the dissidents would attack them and their families???
That doesnt seem to be a deterent for all these nationalists we're being told have already joined.
It would be a reason why many more haven't joined. Areas such as south armagh and west belfast I would imagine recruitment would be zero, 1 as they don't support/trust the police and 2 Fear of repurcussions. How do we get change in the police if it isn't a 50/50 police force? I would not even think of joining in a million years as I still don't trust elements within the psni as there are so many there who would have been in the RUC. But I do not begrudge any young person joining to try and make a difference, maybe they don't remember/or know so much of past troubles and the amount of collusion.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 01, 2009, 08:20:00 PM
Nonsense, the police force is no more acceptable to many nationalists than it was years ago.
How many is 'many'? Firstly, as has already been said, there is the significant increase in applications and recruitment from the Nationalist/Catholic community. Maybe there are few/none from South Armagh - maybe it will take longer for people in some places - people have grown up within a culture of mistrust of the police - that won't change overnight no matter what the PSNI does.
On the news tonight, there was a public meeting with the police in Crossmaglen. Would this have happened 10 or 15 years ago? There have been similar meetings all across the north in places like Short Strand - areas where there would have been no cooperation at all with the police in the recent past.
It's not the finished article at all. But there are some people who won't want to accept a police force no matter what they do. And many of the issues you cite - antisocial behaviour etc, are common in the south, across GB and the rest of the world. And complaints about police action/inaction are the same in all of these places. I'm not saying that's an excuse, but it has nothing to do with whether or not the PSNI are really the RUC.
However, back on track - none of this makes it ok to shoot a cop.
Maguire, I see no difference in the police or hear of any. Public meetings are all very well but get out and do something about the little thugs and you'll find people eventually warming to the police. People wont change their minds by statisics about new recruits or any such shite, they'll very gradually start changing their minds when they see a difference.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 01, 2009, 11:12:06 PM
Maguire, I see no difference in the police or hear of any. Public meetings are all very well but get out and do something about the little thugs and you'll find people eventually warming to the police. People wont change their minds by statisics about new recruits or any such shite, they'll very gradually start changing their minds when they see a difference.
Yes, yes, there's lots to do.
But you can't simply disregard stats on recruits - that's actual evidence that many people
have changed their minds. It's not 'any such shite'.
Also, i'm assuming people in south Armagh are cooperating with the Police now? If they are, then that's a massive difference. (Surely these people wouldn't cooperate if they thought they were just dealing with the RUC under a new name?)
If they're not, they can't really complain.
What do you mean by cooperating?
People ring them when their house is broke in to, they've always done that as they've always had to do that for the insurance.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 01, 2009, 11:23:03 PM
What do you mean by cooperating?
People ring them when their house is broke in to, they've always done that as they've always had to do that for the insurance.
People in nationalist areas of Belfast and Derry most certainly do pass information on to the PSNI these days, either directly or (if they can't bring themselves to do so) through a third party like, for e.g, Community Restorative Justice Ireland. The police no longer come up against the 'whatever you say, say nothing' culture, though I appreciate that things may not have changed so much in areas like south Armagh. The big problem the PSNI have now is meeting the peoples expectations in terms of their response times and effectiveness. That's a world away from the days when the RUC couldn't go into west Belfast without military back up.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 01, 2009, 11:23:03 PM
What do you mean by cooperating?
People ring them when their house is broke in to, they've always done that as they've always had to do that for the insurance.
No, I mean coming forward and giving information, giving witness statements etc. Sorting out your own insurance requirements isn't cooperating with the police.
If local people are cooperating, then that's a clear sign of a massive change in attitude to the police. If they're not, then they can't complain when crimes aren't solved.
I think you'll find that the police are still not made welcome in many nationalist/ republican parts of the North. There might be more RC recruits but they're a very nervous bunch. They don't know really what is going to happen. It's still not a nice job for a catholic.
I see in true GAA board fashion we have gone off topic and started what is really a completely different subject.
The old saying "lies, damned lies and statistics" could well have been written about the RUC/PSNI. Its all well and good taking on Catholics, but where exactly are these new recruits coming from? I can assure you that they aren't coming from Crossmaglen, the Falls Rd or the Bogside. Until the police in NI is able to attract recruits from these areas then it wont be a truly representative force. No true Nationalist would join the PSNI today, despite the assurances of Spin Fein. Its all well and good re-branding the force and taking them out of their quasi military uniforms, but many of the people who were in charge of the RUC are still in those jobs with the PSNI and special branch still seems to control frontline policing.
Who do you think sent the riot squads in to deal with unruly students on St Patricks Day, while sending officers in to protect Loyalists erecting flags for their marching season or removing flags in Banbridge or Ballymena. As Sinn Fein used to say before they changed sides, RUC + PSNI = Same Difference.
The murder of Kevin Mc Daid, will if properly investigated will show that notihng has changed with regard to the attitude of the police force in the North towards the nationalist / republican people.
Watch out for this case. Can of worms. Can they keep the lid on it (again ) ?
Quote from: orangeman on September 02, 2009, 12:03:19 PM
The murder of Kevin Mc Daid, will if properly investigated will show that notihng has changed with regard to the attitude of the police force in the North towards the nationalist / republican people.
Watch out for this case. Can of worms. Can they keep the lid on it (again ) ?
They seem to be keeping the lid on the Robert Hamill case at the minute. Mysteriously the star witness who up until now had refused to testify, has completely changed her story, allowing her ex boyfriend and many RUC men off the hook.
Quote from: Cúig huaire on September 02, 2009, 12:08:48 PM
Quote from: orangeman on September 02, 2009, 12:03:19 PM
The murder of Kevin Mc Daid, will if properly investigated will show that notihng has changed with regard to the attitude of the police force in the North towards the nationalist / republican people.
Watch out for this case. Can of worms. Can they keep the lid on it (again ) ?
They seem to be keeping the lid on the Robert Hamill case at the minute. Mysteriously the star witness who up until now had refused to testify, has completely changed her story, allowing her ex boyfriend and many RUC men off the hook.
Shocker there, I am sure no pressure whatsoever was brouhgt to bear on her. :-[
Quote from: orangeman on September 02, 2009, 10:52:11 AM
I think you'll find that the police are still not made welcome in many nationalist/ republican parts of the North.
And yet people complain when they're not effective.
Quote from: orangeman on September 02, 2009, 10:52:11 AM
There might be more RC recruits but they're a very nervous bunch. They don't know really what is going to happen. It's still not a nice job for a catholic.
I know one Catholic who joined. They love their job. No problems.
Quote from: Cúig huaire on September 02, 2009, 11:52:26 AM
IIts all well and good taking on Catholics, but where exactly are these new recruits coming from? I can assure you that they aren't coming from Crossmaglen, the Falls Rd or the Bogside. Until the police in NI is able to attract recruits from these areas then it wont be a truly representative force.
And that will require a change in culture in these areas
as well as in the PSNI. Maybe the PSNI will attract more such recruits when people from those areas feel comfortable that their community will accept their decision to apply.
Quote from: Cúig huaire on September 02, 2009, 11:52:26 AM
No true Nationalist would join the PSNI today, despite the assurances of Spin Fein.
Who made you the judge of what constitutes a 'true' Nationalist?
Quote from: stew on September 02, 2009, 05:12:25 PM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on September 02, 2009, 12:08:48 PM
Quote from: orangeman on September 02, 2009, 12:03:19 PM
The murder of Kevin Mc Daid, will if properly investigated will show that notihng has changed with regard to the attitude of the police force in the North towards the nationalist / republican people.
Watch out for this case. Can of worms. Can they keep the lid on it (again ) ?
They seem to be keeping the lid on the Robert Hamill case at the minute. Mysteriously the star witness who up until now had refused to testify, has completely changed her story, allowing her ex boyfriend and many RUC men off the hook.
Shocker there, I am sure no pressure whatsoever was brouhgt to bear on her. :-[
There's no denying that this case stinks.
But could it not also be possible that this witness has changed her story to try and get her ex-
husband and father of her 2 children off the hook, rather than giving a damn as to what happens to the RUC officers?
Quote from: Maguire01 on September 02, 2009, 05:39:01 PM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on September 02, 2009, 11:52:26 AM
IIts all well and good taking on Catholics, but where exactly are these new recruits coming from? I can assure you that they aren't coming from Crossmaglen, the Falls Rd or the Bogside. Until the police in NI is able to attract recruits from these areas then it wont be a truly representative force.
And that will require a change in culture in these areas as well as in the PSNI. Maybe the PSNI will attract more such recruits when people from those areas feel comfortable that their community will accept their decision to apply.
jup to the psni to prove they have changed before people will believe it - as in derry city nothing much has changed according to my sources. you have to earn respect and trust. In DC they are not even bothering it would seem.
If the psni did bother there (and I presume its likewise in other areas) they would garner support and potentially recruits.
Also hear that the atrition rate amongst nationalist/Irish in the psni is higher than desired. Dont know how true this is.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on September 02, 2009, 05:49:04 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on September 02, 2009, 05:39:01 PM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on September 02, 2009, 11:52:26 AM
IIts all well and good taking on Catholics, but where exactly are these new recruits coming from? I can assure you that they aren't coming from Crossmaglen, the Falls Rd or the Bogside. Until the police in NI is able to attract recruits from these areas then it wont be a truly representative force.
And that will require a change in culture in these areas as well as in the PSNI. Maybe the PSNI will attract more such recruits when people from those areas feel comfortable that their community will accept their decision to apply.
jup to the psni to prove they have changed before people will believe it - as in derry city nothing much has changed according to my sources. you have to earn respect and trust. In DC they are not even bothering it would seem.
If the psni did bother there (and I presume its likewise in other areas) they would garner support and potentially recruits.
Surely the communities have a part to play in effecting this change? Maybe the PSNI need Catholic recruits to help them change, or to facilitate the process of change.
Quote from: Maguire01 on September 02, 2009, 07:06:23 PM
Surely the communities have a part to play in effecting this change? Maybe the PSNI need Catholic recruits to help them change, or to facilitate the process of change.
The Nationalist community will only play its part in effecting this change when the police force has shown that it has truly changed. A new name and uniform is useless when its the same people wearing those uniforms. Recent events, be they in Derry, Ballymena or any other part of the North has shown that its the same old same old.
At the minute the only Catholics joining up are either from the South or what The Gael refers to as "Castle Catholics." Maguire you stated that you knew someone who joined up, where were they from?
Quote from: Cúig huaire on September 02, 2009, 09:43:32 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on September 02, 2009, 07:06:23 PM
Surely the communities have a part to play in effecting this change? Maybe the PSNI need Catholic recruits to help them change, or to facilitate the process of change.
The Nationalist community will only play its part in effecting this change when the police force has shown that it has truly changed. A new name and uniform is useless when its the same people wearing those uniforms. Recent events, be they in Derry, Ballymena or any other part of the North has shown that its the same old same old.
My point is that it's very easy to stand outside and criticise. You're not going to change things from the outside. Engagement is a two way street. Why should the Nationalist community wait until the police force has shown that it has "truly changed". Why should the Nationalists not
help to truly change it?
Quote from: Cúig huaire on September 02, 2009, 09:43:32 PM
At the minute the only Catholics joining up are either from the South or what The Gael refers to as "Castle Catholics." Maguire you stated that you knew someone who joined up, where were they from?
From the south as it happens.
But regardless of what 'type' of Catholics they are, or where they're from, their proportion has gone from 8% in 1998 to 26% by July 2009.
Some Republicans will never join or consider joining, simply on principle. Some won't join because of what their families or neighbours would say/think. And some may join over the next few years, now that Gerry and Martin have said it's okay.
At the end of the day, it's not just as simple as the PSNI making themselves attractive as employers to people in West Belfast, Derry City or South Armagh. It would be naive to thank it was.
Quote from: Maguire01 on September 02, 2009, 11:40:10 PM
At the end of the day, it's not just as simple as the PSNI making themselves attractive as employers to people in West Belfast, Derry City or South Armagh. It would be naive to thank it was.
Thats were you and the PSNI are wrong. Until someone from Silverbridge (pints?) or Shantallow or St James`s sees the police as a career where they will feel comfortable, be accepted for what they are and not have to hide it from family and friends, then people like you have to accept that the police are still unacceptable to the majority in these areas and that they have to do something about attracting these people into their ranks. Like it or not, the police is still seen as a protestant force for a protestant people. You cannot expect young people from these areas to join up to the police just because Gerry and Martin say everything is ok. Gerry and Martin would not let their kids join up and are only endorsing the police because they have to, otherwise the British government will take away their salaries and the jobs for the boys.
Quote from: Cúig huaire on September 03, 2009, 12:42:06 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on September 02, 2009, 11:40:10 PM
At the end of the day, it's not just as simple as the PSNI making themselves attractive as employers to people in West Belfast, Derry City or South Armagh. It would be naive to thank it was.
Thats were you and the PSNI are wrong. Until someone from Silverbridge (pints?) or Shantallow or St James`s sees the police as a career where they will feel comfortable, be accepted for what they are and not have to hide it from family and friends, then people like you have to accept that the police are still unacceptable to the majority in these areas and that they have to do something about attracting these people into their ranks. Like it or not, the police is still seen as a protestant force for a protestant people. You cannot expect young people from these areas to join up to the police just because Gerry and Martin say everything is ok. Gerry and Martin would not let their kids join up and are only endorsing the police because they have to, otherwise the British government will take away their salaries and the jobs for the boys.
Complete crap, as was your earlier comment about only 'Castle Catholics' joining. In the first place, the very fact that you use that term shows that you're an arrogant p***k who thinks he has the right to decide what 'proper' Catholics should think or feel or do. In the second place, if you think young lads and girls from the areas you mention
aren't applying to join, then you're so out of touch that your opinion is useless. People from these areas may still need to hide their membership of PSNI from families and friends, but only in case begrudging arseholes like you are still about the place.
Quote from: Myles Na G. on September 03, 2009, 07:26:56 AM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on September 03, 2009, 12:42:06 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on September 02, 2009, 11:40:10 PM
At the end of the day, it's not just as simple as the PSNI making themselves attractive as employers to people in West Belfast, Derry City or South Armagh. It would be naive to thank it was.
Thats were you and the PSNI are wrong. Until someone from Silverbridge (pints?) or Shantallow or St James`s sees the police as a career where they will feel comfortable, be accepted for what they are and not have to hide it from family and friends, then people like you have to accept that the police are still unacceptable to the majority in these areas and that they have to do something about attracting these people into their ranks. Like it or not, the police is still seen as a protestant force for a protestant people. You cannot expect young people from these areas to join up to the police just because Gerry and Martin say everything is ok. Gerry and Martin would not let their kids join up and are only endorsing the police because they have to, otherwise the British government will take away their salaries and the jobs for the boys.
Complete crap, as was your earlier comment about only 'Castle Catholics' joining. In the first place, the very fact that you use that term shows that you're an arrogant p***k who thinks he has the right to decide what 'proper' Catholics should think or feel or do. In the second place, if you think young lads and girls from the areas you mention aren't applying to join, then you're so out of touch that your opinion is useless. People from these areas may still need to hide their membership of PSNI from families and friends, but only in case begrudging arseholes like you are still about the place.
agree 100%
their proportion has gone from 8% in 1998 to 26% by July 2009.
On a slightly diff point,i believe at 2006 there were 14 prods in the Garda.Out of a force of i think 12,000? Quite a low % Wonder why
Quote from: dillinger on September 03, 2009, 10:21:00 PM
their proportion has gone from 8% in 1998 to 26% by July 2009.
On a slightly diff point,i believe at 2006 there were 14 prods in the Garda.Out of a force of i think 12,000? Quite a low % Wonder why
That seems ridiculously low. How many protestants are there in the population ?
Quote from: orangeman on September 04, 2009, 12:30:37 AM
Quote from: dillinger on September 03, 2009, 10:21:00 PM
their proportion has gone from 8% in 1998 to 26% by July 2009.
On a slightly diff point,i believe at 2006 there were 14 prods in the Garda.Out of a force of i think 12,000? Quite a low % Wonder why
That seems ridiculously low. How many protestants are there in the population ?
Around 4 or 5% of the south is protestant. I'd say that figure is wrong, maybe 14 protestants from the north or something.
Quote from: dillinger on September 03, 2009, 10:21:00 PM
their proportion has gone from 8% in 1998 to 26% by July 2009.
On a slightly diff point,i believe at 2006 there were 14 prods in the Garda.Out of a force of i think 12,000? Quite a low % Wonder why
Not doubting your word, but where did you get this figure? Father-in-law & 2 brothers in law are Guards, so would
be interested to get their view on this.
Quote from: Myles Na G. on September 03, 2009, 07:26:56 AM
Complete crap, as was your earlier comment about only 'Castle Catholics' joining. In the first place, the very fact that you use that term shows that you're an arrogant p***k who thinks he has the right to decide what 'proper' Catholics should think or feel or do. In the second place, if you think young lads and girls from the areas you mention aren't applying to join, then you're so out of touch that your opinion is useless. People from these areas may still need to hide their membership of PSNI from families and friends, but only in case begrudging arseholes like you are still about the place.
I`ll bow to your superior knowledge Roger (Irrelevant?). Obviously you know everyone in South Armagh, W Belfast and other Republican areas. In the mean time if anyone else has any evidence that people from Republican areas are actually joining the RUC/PSNI then I would like to hear it. As I said before a lot of the "nationalists" joining the police in the north are from the south and I would assume there are some from the UK (England, Scotland and Walses for Rogers benefit).
Quote from: Cúig huaire on September 04, 2009, 01:42:39 PM
Quote from: Myles Na G. on September 03, 2009, 07:26:56 AM
Complete crap, as was your earlier comment about only 'Castle Catholics' joining. In the first place, the very fact that you use that term shows that you're an arrogant p***k who thinks he has the right to decide what 'proper' Catholics should think or feel or do. In the second place, if you think young lads and girls from the areas you mention aren't applying to join, then you're so out of touch that your opinion is useless. People from these areas may still need to hide their membership of PSNI from families and friends, but only in case begrudging arseholes like you are still about the place.
I`ll bow to your superior knowledge Roger (Irrelevant?). Obviously you know everyone in South Armagh, W Belfast and other Republican areas. In the mean time if anyone else has any evidence that people from Republican areas are actually joining the RUC/PSNI then I would like to hear it. As I said before a lot of the "nationalists" joining the police in the north are from the south and I would assume there are some from the UK (England, Scotland and Walses for Rogers benefit).
must be plenty from Co.Down sure your MPs Seamus and Eddie had been asking you boys to join the RUC for years.
Quote from: glens abu on September 04, 2009, 02:00:08 PM
must be plenty from Co.Down sure your MPs Seamus and Eddie had been asking you boys to join the RUC for years.
We are talking about Republican areas like South Armagh, West Belfast and Derry, Down could not be described as a Republican area.
Quote from: Cúig huaire on September 04, 2009, 02:08:49 PM
Quote from: glens abu on September 04, 2009, 02:00:08 PM
must be plenty from Co.Down sure your MPs Seamus and Eddie had been asking you boys to join the RUC for years.
We are talking about Republican areas like South Armagh, West Belfast and Derry, Down could not be described as a Republican area.
very true :o
Quote from: 020304 Tir Eoghain on September 04, 2009, 01:10:26 AM
Quote from: dillinger on September 03, 2009, 10:21:00 PM
their proportion has gone from 8% in 1998 to 26% by July 2009.
On a slightly diff point,i believe at 2006 there were 14 prods in the Garda.Out of a force of i think 12,000? Quite a low % Wonder why
Not doubting your word, but where did you get this figure? Father-in-law & 2 brothers in law are Guards, so would
be interested to get their view on this.
I would doubt the number of 14 because there are no stats on this.
What might be of concern is the high proportion of redneck gobs.
Apart from the odd Ban Garda, I would have little thought for what lay behind the uniform as long as it contained the required level of competence, integrity and honour.
In response to Cúig huaire. I applied to join the police this year then decided against it only because I'm going back to uni. I would definitely describe myself as a nationalist and I don't appreciate you telling me that I'm not. On your whole "there's no people from republican areas joining up" theory, well I'm from Downpatrick which is a 90% nationalist town and I know plenty of other people who applied this year too from the area. Times have changed and it's not just "castle catholics" joining. For the psni to ever become a force truely representative of the full population there needs to be people like myself joining and it doesn't help matters with people like you taking it upon yourself to label any catholic who joins the police a castle catholic. Your just showing yourself to being a clueless moron.
Quote from: 020304 Tir Eoghain on September 04, 2009, 01:10:26 AM
Quote from: dillinger on September 03, 2009, 10:21:00 PM
their proportion has gone from 8% in 1998 to 26% by July 2009.
On a slightly diff point,i believe at 2006 there were 14 prods in the Garda.Out of a force of i think 12,000? Quite a low % Wonder why
Not doubting your word, but where did you get this figure? Father-in-law & 2 brothers in law are Guards, so would
be interested to get their view on this.
Dont have anything in writing etc, heard it on an RTE (radio) show. Has to be some way of finding out from Gardi, the old freedom of imfo thing?
Quote from: fingerbob on September 04, 2009, 09:44:29 PM
In response to Cúig huaire. I applied to join the police this year then decided against it only because I'm going back to uni. I would definitely describe myself as a nationalist and I don't appreciate you telling me that I'm not. On your whole "there's no people from republican areas joining up" theory, well I'm from Downpatrick which is a 90% nationalist town and I know plenty of other people who applied this year too from the area. Times have changed and it's not just "castle catholics" joining. For the psni to ever become a force truely representative of the full population there needs to be people like myself joining and it doesn't help matters with people like you taking it upon yourself to label any catholic who joins the police a castle catholic. Your just showing yourself to being a clueless moron.
As I said before, we are talking about Republican areas, Downpatrick could not be classed as one of those. Then again you would not be the first person to play for Downpatrick and Garnerville Gaels, a certain Mr Quinn was the first member of your club to play for the peelers. ;)
Quote from: Cúig huaire on September 04, 2009, 02:08:49 PM
Quote from: glens abu on September 04, 2009, 02:00:08 PM
must be plenty from Co.Down sure your MPs Seamus and Eddie had been asking you boys to join the RUC for years.
We are talking about Republican areas like South Armagh, West Belfast and Derry, Down could not be described as a Republican area.
Derry city has been an SDLP stronghold for some time surely?
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RIRA targets family of NI officer
Friday, 11 September 2009 13:00
A device has exploded outside the home of relatives of a policeman in Northern Ireland.
The dissident republican Real IRA has claimed responsibility after the suspected bomb ignited outside the policeman's parents' home in Shantallow, Derry, at around 1.30am.
Police said a car was damaged but there were no injuries.
AdvertisementA second device is being examined outside the policeman's sister's home in Kylemore Park.
Several people were forced to leave their homes after that device was discovered at around 7.30am.
Quote from: orangeman on September 11, 2009, 01:44:03 PM
RIRA targets family of NI officer
Friday, 11 September 2009 13:00
A device has exploded outside the home of relatives of a policeman in Northern Ireland.
The dissident republican Real IRA has claimed responsibility after the suspected bomb ignited outside the policeman's parents' home in Shantallow, Derry, at around 1.30am.
Police said a car was damaged but there were no injuries.
AdvertisementA second device is being examined outside the policeman's sister's home in Kylemore Park.
Several people were forced to leave their homes after that device was discovered at around 7.30am.
They really are stooping very low here. Very cowardly acts. :-\
Quote from: EC Unique on September 11, 2009, 05:45:50 PM
Quote from: orangeman on September 11, 2009, 01:44:03 PM
RIRA targets family of NI officer
Friday, 11 September 2009 13:00
A device has exploded outside the home of relatives of a policeman in Northern Ireland.
The dissident republican Real IRA has claimed responsibility after the suspected bomb ignited outside the policeman's parents' home in Shantallow, Derry, at around 1.30am.
Police said a car was damaged but there were no injuries.
AdvertisementA second device is being examined outside the policeman's sister's home in Kylemore Park.
Several people were forced to leave their homes after that device was discovered at around 7.30am.
They really are stooping very low here. Very cowardly acts. :-\
It's about their level. They'll be beating up the children of peelers next. Legitimate targets surely, and right about the level of risk the like. Morons.
Quote from: EC Unique on September 11, 2009, 05:45:50 PM
Quote from: orangeman on September 11, 2009, 01:44:03 PM
RIRA targets family of NI officer
Friday, 11 September 2009 13:00
A device has exploded outside the home of relatives of a policeman in Northern Ireland.
The dissident republican Real IRA has claimed responsibility after the suspected bomb ignited outside the policeman's parents' home in Shantallow, Derry, at around 1.30am.
Police said a car was damaged but there were no injuries.
AdvertisementA second device is being examined outside the policeman's sister's home in Kylemore Park.
Several people were forced to leave their homes after that device was discovered at around 7.30am.
They really are stooping very low here. Very cowardly acts. :-\
Thats shocking. Its one thing going for what some would call legitimate targets but to target family. >:( Stupid scumbags that probably don't have a brain in their head nor an idea of the history or what exactly they are fighting for. Probably got caught up in the romantic notion of fighting for your country against British oppression.
Castrate the lot of them . Then chop their f**ing hands and legs off .
Quote from: Bing Crosby . on September 11, 2009, 11:57:35 PM
Castrate the lot of them . Then chop their f**ing hands and legs off .
Are you alright?
Disagreeing with what they are at is one thing. I'd say what you posted says more about you than anything else
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on September 12, 2009, 12:12:01 AM
Quote from: Bing Crosby . on September 11, 2009, 11:57:35 PM
Castrate the lot of them . Then chop their f**ing hands and legs off .
Are you alright?
Disagreeing with what they are at is one thing. I'd say what you posted says more about you than anything else
Oh you've really put me in my place . Whatever will I do now ? :'(