All right lads and lassies, have seen Kildare in action 3 times, and they are definetly a much improved outfit. However, I think they are poor at the back and will struggle against a forward line of this class......thoughts?
Yes, I have some thoughts on the matter. Kildare need to sort out the full back line. All 3 incuments are good footballers but we have a great full back on the bench in Kevin ONeill and he should start. But yes I agree, Tyrone are the betterside and swhould have too much as long as the focus is there. Wonder will it be part of a double header next sunday with Cork VF Donegal?
Would be a bit worried about this as Kildare play some excellent football but they sure concede big scores. If Tyrone dont believe all the hype they will be okay, but have seen them go in against Sligo and Meath complacent and get beat. Should be a good game though and first time they have met in the championship
Brian Mullins said in RTE that Mickey Harte should be worried. Kildare will be more than a match for Tyrone in most departments.
Looking forward to this already - chance to test ourselves against the All-Ireland favourites. Nobody will give us a prayer and we are in a no lose situation. All the pressure will be on Tyrone but sure pressure is for tyres as Barry Geraghty once said!
We should have learned plenty about ourselves from the last two matches and hopefully them matches will stand to us. Tyrone haven't really been put to the pin of their collar so far this year and they could just be vulnerable next weekend. Realistically we're going to have to improve a lot, particularly at the back. Mikey Conway will be a big loss. I'd like to see Kevin O'Neill brought back in to replace him but judging by the substitutions in the last two matches I can't see it happening. Chalky or MacLochlainn far more likely to start I'd say. If Seán Cavanagh starts at full-forward and roams out the field it might actually suit Mick Foley though.
Horse into them early on and you never know what might happen.
This game is a big banana skin for tyrone I think. They may win but I'm not sure by how much.
Kildare are a good outfit who should have learned from Dublin game though like people say the FB line could be shoddy enough.
it will be hard to make out who's who with 30 white jerseys
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on July 26, 2009, 11:16:21 PM
it will be hard to make out who's who with 30 white jerseys
28.
32 actually, the umpires will cause a distraction too.
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on July 26, 2009, 11:20:43 PM
32 actually, the umpires will cause a distraction too.
Touché mon ami :D
60,000 +. Don't forget the supporters in their replicas.
Quote from: ziggysego on July 26, 2009, 11:31:44 PM
60,000 +. Don't forget the supporters in their replicas.
59,999 as I am wearing a black hoodie to the match.
Dont like Tyrone in their unlucky red jerseys. Tyrone have the toughest draw possible here and Im worried abour Kildare - any team able to keep their jerseys and keks that white must have some powder.
I was wary of Kildare as they seem to be flying this year but at the same time there is a lot of very good teams left so at this stage you have to face a good side. I agree with the issue that if Tyrone are vulnerable it will be for this game, but at the same time I think enough has been learnt from previous mistakes and hopefully Tyrone will be in good nick for this game.
bye bye kildare.
Can see the duelling banjo boys winning this by at least 6 points !
Does anyone else think Karl Lacey would love to be playing for Kildare???
Ditto Lynchbhoy. Tyrone will win comfortably. The Kildare boys have yet to face anything remotely like them so far this summer. By half time they'll be punch drunk.
And I'll be gutted again.
One thing could beat Tyrone is complacency... there has been such hype about how far they are supposed to be ahead etc.. now even Spillane drools over them...'total football' Rem and beware Sligo 2002
Tyrone were first out of the hat, surely if any team has to wear alternative colours it'll be Kildare?
Kildare will definately test Tyrone more than any other team this season (which isn't saying too much) but they'll face the best defence in Ireland as well as one of the fittest teams and a team completely at ease in their own skin and at home in Croker.
I'm expecting a double header with Cork and Donegal next Saturday with Kerry and the Dubs on their own on the Sunday. And with all the focus on Kerry v Dublin i'm hoping the media will stop hyping Tyrone by saying the same things every week.
I'd like to think Tyrone would be willing to play in pink if they had to. I have enough faith in their ability to win this regardless of colour and am sure the players have too. I'd say they couldn't care less what colour they wear (as long as it's not Carlows colours ;)
I wouldn't think this is as straightforward as some Tyrone posters think.
If there is a ref who starts booking players for stopping free kicks etcat the start and Kildare learn to be as cynical as Tyrone at stopping goal chances it could make things interesting otherwise Tyrone to win pretty well
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on July 27, 2009, 10:21:27 AM
Tyrone were first out of the hat, surely if any team has to wear alternative colours it'll be Kildare?
Kildare will definately test Tyrone more than any other team this season (which isn't saying too much) but they'll face the best defence in Ireland as well as one of the fittest teams and a team completely at ease in their own skin and at home in Croker.
I'm expecting a double header with Cork and Donegal next Saturday with Kerry and the Dubs on their own on the Sunday. And with all the focus on Kerry v Dublin i'm hoping the media will stop hyping Tyrone by saying the same things every week.
If this was soccer, then yes, you would be right.
The last time the two teams met ...
National Football League 2008 - Tyrone 0-7 Kildare 1-4
Scorers --
Tyrone: C McCullagh 0-3 (2f), R Mulgrew, T McGuigan, K Hughes, E McGinley 0-1 each.
Kildare: P Mullarkey 1-1, J Doyle 0-3 (1f, 1 '45)
Tyrone: J Devine; PJ Quinn, C Gormley, M Swift; D Harte, D Carlin, P Jordan; K Hughes, E McGinley; C Cavanagh, R Mulgrew, R Mellon; C McCullagh, T McGuigan, S O'Neill. Subs: O Mulligan for Mellon (53), D McCaul for Quinn (61), N Gormley for Cavanagh (63)
Kildare: T Corley; E Bolton, A McLoughlin, M O'Flaherty; A Rainbow, K O'Neill, G White; P Mullarkey, K Brennan; J Doyle, M Conway, J Kavanagh; R Sweeney, D Earley, K Donnelly. Subs: A Smith for Sweeney (53), D Flynn for Donnelly (60)
tyrone v kildare 4pm Sunday
Donegal v Cork 2pm Sunday
Afaik jersey clash rule is as follows
1 A change by agreement
2 If no agreement, provincial colours to be worn. Green for Kildare and Saphron for Tyrone.
Quote from: orangeman on July 27, 2009, 01:18:10 PM
tyrone v kildare 4pm Sunday
Donegal v Cork 2pm Sunday
Guess or inside knowledge?
Edit: Nevermind, saw the other thread.
Quote from: Canalman on July 27, 2009, 01:26:21 PM
Afaik jersey clash rule is as follows
1 A change by agreement
2 If no agreement, provincial colours to be worn. Green for Kildare and Saphron for Tyrone.
From the rule book:
(f) Jerseys/Colours:-
(i) A County team not wearing its registered
distinctive colours in Inter-County competitions,
or where there is a similarity of colours not
wearing their registered alternative colours or
other colours authorised or directed by the
controlling Council:
Penalty - Fine €500.
Seems to be if teams have an "away" jersey they have to wear it, if not then provincial colours.
Of all the teams we could've met (Kerry/Kildare/Donegal/Meath or Limerick) this was my least favourable. That's a strong Kildare side who could quite easily have been Leinster champions and will take some watching. I'm nervous about this but FoSB would say all's well with the world then!
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on July 27, 2009, 02:18:57 PM
Quote from: rrhf on July 27, 2009, 07:09:12 AM
Dont like Tyrone in their unlucky red jerseys. Tyrone have the toughest draw possible here and Im worried abour Kildare - any team able to keep their jerseys and keks that white must have some powder.
Never really noted as the red jerseys as being unlucky for Tyrone, at least in the championship. Last time I recall seeing them wear all red in a championship match was against Monaghan in the Ulster final in 2007.
True Fionn.
Anyway, are we really going to be as bad as them Man Utd soccer boys and blame our away kits? I hope not.
Bring Kildare and Geezer on, no matter what kits we dawn on the day!
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 27, 2009, 12:08:14 PM
If there is a ref who starts booking players for stopping free kicks etcat the start and Kildare learn to be as cynical as Tyrone at stopping goal chances it could make things interesting otherwise Tyrone to win pretty well
Feck me your like a dog with a bone!! It's nearly funny now!! :D
Tyrone can win this wearing pink with blue spots FFS. No excuses. I think they will have it by 5+.
Quote from: EC Unique on July 27, 2009, 02:58:05 PM
Tyrone can win this wearing pink with blue spots FFS. No excuses. I think they will have it by 5+.
I love the way you are always so positive and direct. No sitting on the fence with you.
Any more word of JD ?
Quote from: supersarsfields on July 27, 2009, 02:49:03 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 27, 2009, 12:08:14 PM
If there is a ref who starts booking players for stopping free kicks etcat the start and Kildare learn to be as cynical as Tyrone at stopping goal chances it could make things interesting otherwise Tyrone to win pretty well
Feck me your like a dog with a bone!! It's nearly funny now!! :D
But what you are forgetting is that Dubforsam is 100% right.
Anybody know how much quarter final tickets are ???
Quote from: orangeman on July 27, 2009, 03:20:34 PM
Anybody know how much quarter final tickets are ???
E35/£30 for a seat and E20/£15 for the Hill I'd imagine
Quote from: Orior on July 27, 2009, 03:18:07 PM
Quote from: supersarsfields on July 27, 2009, 02:49:03 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 27, 2009, 12:08:14 PM
If there is a ref who starts booking players for stopping free kicks etcat the start and Kildare learn to be as cynical as Tyrone at stopping goal chances it could make things interesting otherwise Tyrone to win pretty well
Feck me your like a dog with a bone!! It's nearly funny now!! :D
But what you are forgetting is that Dubforsam is 100% right.
No he's not - he's just repeating what Brolly said on Sunday Game Live last week after the Ulster Final.
Kildare def hardest draw but at the end of the day this is the sort of game we need if we aspire to progress further. geezer will have them well up for it. Son must start, he is very much a confidence player and could run riot if he gets an early score or 2 to settle him down.
Quote from: On_the_Couch on July 27, 2009, 03:37:39 PM
Quote from: Orior on July 27, 2009, 03:18:07 PM
Quote from: supersarsfields on July 27, 2009, 02:49:03 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 27, 2009, 12:08:14 PM
If there is a ref who starts booking players for stopping free kicks etcat the start and Kildare learn to be as cynical as Tyrone at stopping goal chances it could make things interesting otherwise Tyrone to win pretty well
Feck me your like a dog with a bone!! It's nearly funny now!! :D
But what you are forgetting is that Dubforsam is 100% right.
No he's not - he's just repeating what Brolly said on Sunday Game Live last week after the Ulster Final.
One guys says I am saying it constantly for a long time and the next guy says I am only repeating what Brolly says from a week ago....
Anyone notice that neither can come out and say that I am factually incorrect or that Tyrone don't do it...
Quote from: orangeman on July 27, 2009, 03:12:57 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on July 27, 2009, 02:58:05 PM
Tyrone can win this wearing pink with blue spots FFS. No excuses. I think they will have it by 5+.
I love the way you are always so positive and direct. No sitting on the fence with you.
Any more word of JD ?
I predicted easy wins against Armagh, Derry and Antrim and was correct. I honestly think we should win this game easy enough too.
Don't know any more about JD than what is in the press. Does not sound good and I think he had Shoulder trouble before but could be wrong. I would be more concerned about him as a loss for Errigal than Tyrone as Tyrone have good back up in that department where as Errigal would be more limited.
Darren McCann gonna hate u EC
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 27, 2009, 03:51:00 PM
Quote from: On_the_Couch on July 27, 2009, 03:37:39 PM
Quote from: Orior on July 27, 2009, 03:18:07 PM
Quote from: supersarsfields on July 27, 2009, 02:49:03 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 27, 2009, 12:08:14 PM
If there is a ref who starts booking players for stopping free kicks etcat the start and Kildare learn to be as cynical as Tyrone at stopping goal chances it could make things interesting otherwise Tyrone to win pretty well
Feck me your like a dog with a bone!! It's nearly funny now!! :D
But what you are forgetting is that Dubforsam is 100% right.
No he's not - he's just repeating what Brolly said on Sunday Game Live last week after the Ulster Final.
One guys says I am saying it constantly for a long time and the next guy says I am only repeating what Brolly says from a week ago....
Anyone notice that neither can come out and say that I am factually incorrect or that Tyrone don't do it...
I never said Tyrone don't do it. But so do plenty of other teams yet you only pipe up when it's about Tyrone. You've had a real grudge against them for ages now and use anything to get a slight dig in while ignoring other teams that do the same.
But like I said orginally it's getting to the point now were I'm kinda surprised if you don't make your usual comment.
Speculation on KFM that the Hill won't be open on Sunday. Find that hard to believe. I know Cork and Donegal will hardly draw that big a crowd but surely Kildare and Tyrone between them will bring 40,000+. There was at least 30,000 Kildare folk at the Leinster Final.
Quote from: longball on July 27, 2009, 04:15:17 PM
Darren McCann gonna hate u EC
I'm sure he would be the first to admit there is quite a difference in JD and himself. He is a very able club keeper but JD is one of the best in Ireland and our team is better off with him than without.
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 27, 2009, 12:08:14 PM
If there is a ref who starts booking players for stopping free kicks etcat the start and Kildare learn to be as cynical as Tyrone at stopping goal chances it could make things interesting otherwise Tyrone to win pretty well
Cop on DFS, It's not like Dublin players or any other county's for that matter don't stand in front of
the free taker to watch for the quick pass or will stand back and let some man waltz straight through
for goal simply because he's beaten his marker ::)
If you don't like Tyrone then simply say so!
Mikey Conway has been ruled out for Kildare. Injured the same knee on Saturday night that he originally injured in the Offaly match. He could have been in line for an All-Star nomination at the least for his performances so far this year so I hope he has a speedy recovery.
Team I'd like to see now Conway's out:
Corley
Hughie Kev O'Neill Bolton
Flats Foley Flanagan
Flynn Dermot
Jimmers Paudie O'Neill Roli
Smith Leper (if fit)/Kelly Johnny
Team I'd expect to see start:
Corley
Hughie Foley/Mac Bolton
Flats Flanagan Chalky
Flynn Dermot
Jimmers Paudie O'Neill Roli
Smith Leper (if fit)/Donnelly Johnny
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 27, 2009, 05:20:13 PM
Speculation on KFM that the Hill won't be open on Sunday. Find that hard to believe. I know Cork and Donegal will hardly draw that big a crowd but surely Kildare and Tyrone between them will bring 40,000+. There was at least 30,000 Kildare folk at the Leinster Final.
Would expect a big enough crowd with it being on Sunday, anywhere from 50-70k would surely be realistic. Cork have had a terrible support in recent years but that seems to be changing. They brought a big crowd to Kerry and there was over 30k at the replay in Cork (the vast majority from Cork). Over 20,000 at the Munster final as well. With the footballers on the rise and the hurlers going badly there football support seems to be increasing. Whether they will be keen enough to make the journey up is another matter. Donegal after a few good wins should also bring a good support.
I think it will nearly be full. Each team will bring about 15,000 each then some teams will bring more, possibly Tyrone and Kildare which could bring it up to over the 70,000 mark.
Nothing like a nearly full or full Croke Park. And nothing worse than a 1/4 full Croke Park like for the Tyrone v Mayo game last year.
I'd be shocked if it was anything less than 70K+, Donegal and Cork will bring a decent support (10-15K each) and I'd expect 40K
or more from Kildare/Tyrone and there'll surely be at least 5K from neutral counties so 70K seems a conservative number IMO.
Count me in as an official Tyrone fan from now til the end of the summer...
I have taken them to win the AI in a bet so will be cheering yous on from now...
I'll go for 50,000 max.
Would be suprised if less than 50k at it. 3 decent supported teams and Cork who have the potential to gather up a good support.
Cork footballers are not that well supported, but the hurlers are out now and this may help. Donegal have a significant Dublin based support, whether these are in Dublin or Donegal on a bank holiday weelend, I am not sure.
feck it, i am working until 4pm so it will have to a enniskilen pub full of kildare supporters for me i guess
Great to see championship football back and great to be back in Croke Park. This is what championship football is all about. Also good to be playing someone different. This is a tough game for Tyrone. Without being at their best Kildare got past a very fired up Wicklow team by 4 or 5. They were excellent for spells in the Leinster final and inexperience probably cost them there. Have been very impressed with their improvement from last year. Much more scoring option nows and look a lot stronger. Mickey Harte will be constatnly reminding Tyrone what happened in 07 and will be looking to show that winning your province shouldnt stop you winning the quarter final. Going to be good. Looks like a high scoring game.
The league game was fairly low scoring.
The league game on a heavy Omagh pitch last February with only half the first teams playing? Will hardly compare to that. I hope not anyway cause it was brutal.
Quote from: Tyrones own on July 27, 2009, 05:31:26 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 27, 2009, 12:08:14 PM
If there is a ref who starts booking players for stopping free kicks etcat the start and Kildare learn to be as cynical as Tyrone at stopping goal chances it could make things interesting otherwise Tyrone to win pretty well
Cop on DFS, It's not like Dublin players or any other county's for that matter don't stand in front of
the free taker to watch for the quick pass or will stand back and let some man waltz straight through
for goal simply because he's beaten his marker ::)
If you don't like Tyrone then simply say so!
So you think that sort of behaviour is fully acceptable on the pitch??? I believe it should be an automatic yellow card everytime no matter where on the pitch and needs to be stopped. Remind me the last time a Dublin player took a player down going through on goals....sometimes we would be far better off doing it but its not how I believe football should be played....Did you see Kildare drag Wicklow forwards to the ground, or Antrim to Tyrone/Kerry forwards etc???
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on July 27, 2009, 10:21:18 PM
The league game on a heavy Omagh pitch last February with only half the first teams playing? Will hardly compare to that. I hope not anyway cause it was brutal.
http://archives.tcm.ie/kildarenationalist/2008/02/07/story26981.asp (http://archives.tcm.ie/kildarenationalist/2008/02/07/story26981.asp)
NFL Division One Round One
Kildare 1-4 Tyrone 0-7
IT happened in slow motion, like the dream you can't quite run in. Alan Smyth raced across the end line to leave space in front of the square for Padraig Mullarkey to palm in a goal that seemed as likely as the dreams you wake from. Even in the morning after this result it was hard to absorb the fact that Kildare had rescued a point from a venue so far from home and a team so far from average.
The result probably poses more questions for Mickey Harte's side than it answers for Kieran McGeeney and his troops. While McGeeney still searches for a team that can play the game he's devised, the game showed it still has a weird way with the world. Kildare scarcely deserved a three-point defeat, two scorers and just two scores from play the sustenance of many cross words, although a draw was, strangely, in keeping with the Lilies league form. They are the side that reached the semi-finals of this competition last year, they are the side that showed they know how to get results in the league and they are the side that despite 70 minutes of inferiority left Omagh the equal of Tyrone.
Aside from Mullarkey's goal, which he coolly palmed into the right corner as players dived across his line of sight, Kildare owed Killian Brennan a debt of gratitude as he plucked a ball from above the cross bar to stop Owen Mulligan kicking the winner from a free in the final minute, just 60 seconds after the goal had gone in.
Both sides wore changed strips, Tyrone in red, Kildare in green, but Kildare were still looking to change their pattern and their mindset yet for most of the first half the only visible difference was in the colour of their kit.
The first long ball to the two-man full forward line of Ronan Sweeney and Dermot Earley, was dropped by Sweeney and it set the tone for most of the half as the midfielders cum forwards struggled to make opportunities but was only part of the problem. The delivery was poor and mostly non-existent.
Tyrone snaffled the breaks at mid-field with relentless pleasure, starving Kildare of quality ball and making life as difficult as they could for the 10, sometimes 13, green shirts behind the ball.
Kevin Hughes and Colm McCullagh both scored in the opening quarter while Tom Corley earned his starting place with a fabulous save from Enda McGinley as early as the seventh minute.
Kildare eventually opened their account after 15 minutes - predictably enough from a John Doyle free - but the home side picked off three in a row through McCullagh, twice, and McGinley. It was a half punctuated by Tyrone frees, 22 in total in the opening 35 against Kildare's 4, yet the period ended with Kildare supremacy. Doyle landed a 45 and then the long delivery to tall men showed its value when Padraig Mullarkey - switched with Earley - fielded James Kavangh's delivery and broke through for a one on one with John Devine only to blaze his shot over the bar.
Tyrone continued to dominate the second period, always with composure and time on the ball, Kildare never really threatening and managing just one point in half an hour while clocking up six wides. Their saving grace was their opponents weren't much better, shooting just two scores and five wides.
By the time the goal was scored, there had been 12 yellow cards, the result of severe refereeing and a tetchy atmosphere that saw Kildare bring a united cavalry to every flare up. Chances to win were presented to both sides, Mikey Conway was wide with a free from the right, Owen Mulligan was foiled by the reach of Killian Brennan.
KILDARE: Tom Corley; Emmett Bolton, Aindriu MacLochlainn, Morgan O'Flaherty; Anthony Rainbow, Kevin O'Neill, Gary White; Padraig Mullarkey, Killian Brennan; John Doyle, Michael Conway, James Kavanagh; Ronan Sweeney, Dermot, Ken Donnelly. BLOOD SUBS: Eamonn Callaghan for Kevin O'Neill (24 to 26); Darryl Flynn for Brennan, (40 to 50). SUBS: Alan Smyth for Sweeney, 54; Darryl Flynn for Donnelly, 60.
TYRONE: John Devine; PJ Quinn, Conor Gormley, Martin Swift; David Harte, Dermot Carlin, Philip Jordan; Kevin Hughes, Enda McGinley; Colm Cavanagh, Raymond Mulgrew, Ryan Mallon; Colm McCullagh, Tommy McGuigan, Shaun O'Neill. SUBS: Owen Mulligan for Mellon, 54; Damien McCaul for Quinn, 61; Niall Gormley for Cavanagh, 63.
REF: Vincent Neary, Mayo.
Can't see it being in any way similar to that match. It was McGeeney's first competitive match in charge of Kildare and there were plenty of big names missing from that Tyrone team. Plenty of water under the bridge since then. I'd be hopeful enough that we'll get more than five scores on Sunday. ;)
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 27, 2009, 10:27:59 PM
Quote from: Tyrones own on July 27, 2009, 05:31:26 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 27, 2009, 12:08:14 PM
If there is a ref who starts booking players for stopping free kicks etcat the start and Kildare learn to be as cynical as Tyrone at stopping goal chances it could make things interesting otherwise Tyrone to win pretty well
Cop on DFS, It's not like Dublin players or any other county's for that matter don't stand in front of
the free taker to watch for the quick pass or will stand back and let some man waltz straight through
for goal simply because he's beaten his marker ::)
If you don't like Tyrone then simply say so!
So you think that sort of behaviour is fully acceptable on the pitch??? I believe it should be an automatic yellow card everytime no matter where on the pitch and needs to be stopped. Remind me the last time a Dublin player took a player down going through on goals....sometimes we would be far better off doing it but its not how I believe football should be played....Did you see Kildare drag Wicklow forwards to the ground, or Antrim to Tyrone/Kerry forwards etc???
:D Na they're usually stopped out round midfield with Whelen's fist....... Get out a that FFS with your holier than thou attitude
Why just castigate Tyrone for it when as stated by posters other than myself, it happens everywhere nowadays ???
Except Dublin that is ::)
Email from Croke Park that they are only opening the bottom deck for Sunday's double header. So they aren't expecting too big a crowd!!
Quote from: phpearse on July 27, 2009, 11:08:03 PM
Email from Croke Park that they are only opening the bottom deck for Sunday's double header. So they aren't expecting too big a crowd!!
Will the Hill be open?
Probably will try and sell out the bottom deck and if more demand open the top deck. Makes sense as looks better on TV and generates a better atmosphere with all people close together rather than spread out all over the stadium.
Quote from: phpearse on July 27, 2009, 11:08:03 PM
Email from Croke Park that they are only opening the bottom deck for Sunday's double header. So they aren't expecting too big a crowd!!
How many does lower decks hold ??
Hill not open either ?
Jesus how many are they expecting ?
Quote from: Mac Eoghain on July 27, 2009, 11:38:15 PM
An uneducated guess woul be that of the 69000 available seats, about a quarter of these would be the Upper Deck, so at least 50,000 available for Sunday?
So Hill accounts for 13k ?
I'd have thought that there'd be at least 60k at next Sunday's match given that 4 teams are involved ?.
There was 37k at last years Double header Football Quarter Final on a Saturday. I don't think that just because this year it's on a Sunday it'll go much over 45k - for the masses a Quarter Final is indeed just that - just a quarter final
Quote from: tyrone86 on July 27, 2009, 11:47:00 PM
There was 37k at last years Double header Football Quarter Final on a Saturday. I don't think that just because this year it's on a Sunday it'll go much over 45k - for the masses a Quarter Final is indeed just that - just a quarter final
50k might tighten it alright then.
Lots of comments here over the years from Tyronies about Kerry people "waiting for the final". Let's see how many come on Sunday.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 28, 2009, 12:15:03 AM
Lots of comments here over the years from Tyronies about Kerry people "waiting for the final". Let's see how many come on Sunday.
Absolutely correct sir, I doubt Tyrone will take many more than 10k :-[
Quote from: hardstation on July 28, 2009, 12:20:02 AM
Quote from: tyrone86 on July 28, 2009, 12:17:07 AM
Absolutely correct sir, I doubt Tyrone will take many more than 10k :-[
I'm sometimes confused by Tyrone spake. Doubt can mean the opposite of doubt sometimes.
Is this the real doubt?
Yes, but for the sake of clarity I'll rephrase.
I do not think Tyrone will bring any more than 10k supporters on Sunday
I'd normally try to defend the GAA on such matters as ticketing and fixture scheduling but it would be unwise of the GAA not to open Hill 16 for Sunday. Surely all Kildare, Tyrone, Cork and Donegal supporters should have the option to purchase cheaper terrace tickets if they so wish. Nothing worse than having a ticket for one of the corners of the Cusack or Hogan stands with a sh1tty view of the whole pitch. You'd be better off on the terrace where you can choose your own vantage point for the match.
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 27, 2009, 10:27:59 PM
Quote from: Tyrones own on July 27, 2009, 05:31:26 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 27, 2009, 12:08:14 PM
If there is a ref who starts booking players for stopping free kicks etcat the start and Kildare learn to be as cynical as Tyrone at stopping goal chances it could make things interesting otherwise Tyrone to win pretty well
Cop on DFS, It's not like Dublin players or any other county's for that matter don't stand in front of
the free taker to watch for the quick pass or will stand back and let some man waltz straight through
for goal simply because he's beaten his marker ::)
If you don't like Tyrone then simply say so!
So you think that sort of behaviour is fully acceptable on the pitch??? I believe it should be an automatic yellow card everytime no matter where on the pitch and needs to be stopped. Remind me the last time a Dublin player took a player down going through on goals....sometimes we would be far better off doing it but its not how I believe football should be played....Did you see Kildare drag Wicklow forwards to the ground, or Antrim to Tyrone/Kerry forwards etc???
ok, so also remind us the last time any of the 4 , dublin, wicklow, kildare or Antrim won an all ireland, and the last 2 mentioned have won the last 6 or 7 between them?
Quote from: armaghniac on July 28, 2009, 12:15:03 AM
Lots of comments here over the years from Tyronies about Kerry people "waiting for the final". Let's see how many come on Sunday.
dont you have a minor game to be concerned about ;)
€35 for a ticket :o :o robbing b@sterd
Quote from: longball on July 28, 2009, 09:22:55 AM
€35 for a ticket :o :o robbing b@sterd
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McGinley injury spares O'Neill
All-Star Enda McGinley is not expecting to start for Tyrone in Sunday's All Ireland Quarter final against Kildare in Croke Park.
McGinley injured his hamstring while training before the Ulster Final, although he went on to play 20 minutes in the game from the bench, he has still not fully recovered. It is believed that McGinley suffered a set back in training this week.
McGinley was expected to return to the starting line up possibly at the expense of former player of the year Steven O'Neill. O'Neill has struggled with form as of late and would be the first to admit that his place is under threat.
Tyrone also have other injury worries with Goalkeeper John Devine being ruled out for the remainder of the year with a shoulder injury. Niall Gormley and Ryan Mellon have also been ruled out for the weekends game.
Bad blow - Mc Ginley is a massive loss.
Especially with Early in there doing damage!!
Hub will sort Early out, Big Seán will run riot, and Stevie will be back with a blinding flash (flood of goals!) ;)
Worrying - last year we had Enda and Brian Dooher at full(ish) fitness at this stage.
Upside - Hub doing well, Joe McMahon stepping up.
Quote from: Tyrones own on July 27, 2009, 10:40:58 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 27, 2009, 10:27:59 PM
Quote from: Tyrones own on July 27, 2009, 05:31:26 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 27, 2009, 12:08:14 PM
If there is a ref who starts booking players for stopping free kicks etcat the start and Kildare learn to be as cynical as Tyrone at stopping goal chances it could make things interesting otherwise Tyrone to win pretty well
Cop on DFS, It's not like Dublin players or any other county's for that matter don't stand in front of
the free taker to watch for the quick pass or will stand back and let some man waltz straight through
for goal simply because he's beaten his marker ::)
If you don't like Tyrone then simply say so!
So you think that sort of behaviour is fully acceptable on the pitch??? I believe it should be an automatic yellow card everytime no matter where on the pitch and needs to be stopped. Remind me the last time a Dublin player took a player down going through on goals....sometimes we would be far better off doing it but its not how I believe football should be played....Did you see Kildare drag Wicklow forwards to the ground, or Antrim to Tyrone/Kerry forwards etc???
:D Na they're usually stopped out round midfield with Whelen's fist....... Get out a that FFS with your holier than thou attitude
Why just castigate Tyrone for it when as stated by posters other than myself, it happens everywhere nowadays ???
Except Dublin that is ::)
and when Whelan did it against Meath I said he was blessed not to get sent off and he shouldn't have done it...difference is when Dublin do it I don't approve and am quite happy to say so
Quote from: cadhlancian on July 28, 2009, 05:12:42 AM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 27, 2009, 10:27:59 PM
Quote from: Tyrones own on July 27, 2009, 05:31:26 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 27, 2009, 12:08:14 PM
If there is a ref who starts booking players for stopping free kicks etcat the start and Kildare learn to be as cynical as Tyrone at stopping goal chances it could make things interesting otherwise Tyrone to win pretty well
Cop on DFS, It's not like Dublin players or any other county's for that matter don't stand in front of
the free taker to watch for the quick pass or will stand back and let some man waltz straight through
for goal simply because he's beaten his marker ::)
If you don't like Tyrone then simply say so!
So you think that sort of behaviour is fully acceptable on the pitch??? I believe it should be an automatic yellow card everytime no matter where on the pitch and needs to be stopped. Remind me the last time a Dublin player took a player down going through on goals....sometimes we would be far better off doing it but its not how I believe football should be played....Did you see Kildare drag Wicklow forwards to the ground, or Antrim to Tyrone/Kerry forwards etc???
ok, so also remind us the last time any of the 4 , dublin, wicklow, kildare or Antrim won an all ireland, and the last 2 mentioned have won the last 6 or 7 between them?
1928 if you must know. First team to be presented with the Sam Maguire! :P :P
(http://leinster.gaa.ie/photogallery/images/19201940/1928_seniorfootball_kildare.jpg)
Any of them starting this Sunday?
If the full-back is still going strong we might draft him in! Stephen O'Neill won't know what hit him.
The lad sitting next to the cup has some barnet on him - must go to the same barber as Owen Mulligan
If McGinley misses the match then i feel that Tyrone will be beat.
Any time Tyrone lose a big game he is missing. He is in my opinion the most important player in the team.
I had thought that he would be perfect to take the game to Early.
It proved to be a very costly decision to play him in the Ulster Final with a hamstring strain when there were men like
Brian McGuigan chomping at the bit to get on. Poor decision
Quote from: sam03/05 on July 28, 2009, 06:25:46 PM
If McGinley misses the match then i feel that Tyrone will be beat.
Any time Tyrone lose a big game he is missing. He is in my opinion the most important player in the team.
I had thought that he would be perfect to take the game to Early.
It proved to be a very costly decision to play him in the Ulster Final with a hamstring strain when there were men like
Brian McGuigan chomping at the bit to get on. Poor decision
Not so sure if it was a poor decision. He declared himself fit enough as it says he tweaked it in training not during ulster final. I feel either hub or sean will be more than fit to joust with early, prob just means we'll see an unchanged team apart from packie in at 1.
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Quote from: Tyrones own on July 27, 2009, 10:40:58 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 27, 2009, 10:27:59 PM
Quote from: Tyrones own on July 27, 2009, 05:31:26 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 27, 2009, 12:08:14 PM
If there is a ref who starts booking players for stopping free kicks etcat the start and Kildare learn to be as cynical as Tyrone at stopping goal chances it could make things interesting otherwise Tyrone to win pretty well
Cop on DFS, It's not like Dublin players or any other county's for that matter don't stand in front of
the free taker to watch for the quick pass or will stand back and let some man waltz straight through
for goal simply because he's beaten his marker ::)
If you don't like Tyrone then simply say so!
So you think that sort of behaviour is fully acceptable on the pitch??? I believe it should be an automatic yellow card everytime no matter where on the pitch and needs to be stopped. Remind me the last time a Dublin player took a player down going through on goals....sometimes we would be far better off doing it but its not how I believe football should be played....Did you see Kildare drag Wicklow forwards to the ground, or Antrim to Tyrone/Kerry forwards etc???
:D Na they're usually stopped out round midfield with Whelen's fist....... Get out a that FFS with your holier than thou attitude
Why just castigate Tyrone for it when as stated by posters other than myself, it happens everywhere nowadays ???
Except Dublin that is ::)
and when Whelan did it against Meath I said he was blessed not to get sent off and he shouldn't have done it...difference is when Dublin do it I don't approve and am quite happy to say so
Ah, get over yourself.
Quote from: Rois on July 28, 2009, 12:57:52 PM
Worrying - last year we had Enda and Brian Dooher at full(ish) fitness at this stage.
Upside - Hub doing well, Joe McMahon stepping up.
Also had Colm McCullagh in tremendous form. In theory Tyrone should be stronger this year with SON back and Mugsy fit and focussed, and Brian McGuigan a good bit fitter, but after 3 pretty routine games its hard to be sure exactly how things stand. I have a nasty feeling things might go badly wrong at the weekend.
Quote from: longball on July 28, 2009, 11:35:18 AM
McGinley injury spares O'Neill
All-Star Enda McGinley is not expecting to start for Tyrone in Sunday's All Ireland Quarter final against Kildare in Croke Park.
McGinley injured his hamstring while training before the Ulster Final, although he went on to play 20 minutes in the game from the bench, he has still not fully recovered. It is believed that McGinley suffered a set back in training this week.
McGinley was expected to return to the starting line up possibly at the expense of former player of the year Steven O'Neill. O'Neill has struggled with form as of late and would be the first to admit that his place is under threat.
Tyrone also have other injury worries with Goalkeeper John Devine being ruled out for the remainder of the year with a shoulder injury. Niall Gormley and Ryan Mellon have also been ruled out for the weekends game.
Where on earth did you get that? Did you write it yourself?
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on July 28, 2009, 08:22:34 PM
Quote from: Rois on July 28, 2009, 12:57:52 PM
Worrying - last year we had Enda and Brian Dooher at full(ish) fitness at this stage.
Upside - Hub doing well, Joe McMahon stepping up.
Also had Colm McCullagh in tremendous form. In theory Tyrone should be stronger this year with SON back and Mugsy fit and focussed, and Brian McGuigan a good bit fitter, but after 3 pretty routine games its hard to be sure exactly how things stand. I have a nasty feeling things might go badly wrong at the weekend.
That's one way to look at it, but Dooher could barely run in the 1st half against Meath in 07 and was still started and Stevie was introduced for the last 10 although the world and his wife knew he struggling badly with injury. I honestly believe Harte's learned his lesson on this front.
Enda will be a big loss, was surprised to see him feature the last day, but I wouldn't second guess the medical team. Hub in form should go a distance to covering the loss, but McGinley bring a great level of composure and doing the right thing in the right place and the right time. Maybe Sean will have another stormer. McGeeney should know what it is needed to curb him though, if such can be done when he is in form. Croke might be the place to see what Brian McG can bring this year, looking forward to seeing him get a run out there.
We should beat Kildare, but the lads need to be watching Meath 2007 re-runs all week. A decent team (but well beatable) in a run of form , who had run the Dubs close in Leinster, quite a similar scenario.
SON will burst into life in Croke park. He knows himself that form is not good yet this year but this game and venue will suit him totally ;)
Seems like it's a different injury for McGinley than the one that hampered him lately. Although it's disappointing, his form was nowhere near 2008.
This is going to be a tough game, but that's what the AIQF should be about.
Quote from: ONeill on July 28, 2009, 10:45:17 PM
Seems like it's a different injury for McGinley than the one that hampered him lately. Although it's disappointing, his form was nowhere near 2008.
This is going to be a tough game, but that's what the AIQF should be about.
Supposed to be hamstring this time around.
So is it red for Tyrone and green for Kildare a la Omagh '08?
Quote from: On_the_Couch on July 28, 2009, 06:39:26 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 28, 2009, 01:02:06 PM
Quote from: Tyrones own on July 27, 2009, 10:40:58 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 27, 2009, 10:27:59 PM
Quote from: Tyrones own on July 27, 2009, 05:31:26 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 27, 2009, 12:08:14 PM
If there is a ref who starts booking players for stopping free kicks etcat the start and Kildare learn to be as cynical as Tyrone at stopping goal chances it could make things interesting otherwise Tyrone to win pretty well
Cop on DFS, It's not like Dublin players or any other county's for that matter don't stand in front of
the free taker to watch for the quick pass or will stand back and let some man waltz straight through
for goal simply because he's beaten his marker ::)
If you don't like Tyrone then simply say so!
So you think that sort of behaviour is fully acceptable on the pitch??? I believe it should be an automatic yellow card everytime no matter where on the pitch and needs to be stopped.[b] Remind me the last time a Dublin player took a player down going through on goals....sometimes we would be far better off doing it but its not how I believe football should be played....[/b]Did you see Kildare drag Wicklow forwards to the ground, or Antrim to Tyrone/Kerry forwards etc???
:D Na they're usually stopped out round midfield with Whelen's fist....... Get out a that FFS with your holier than thou attitude
Why just castigate Tyrone for it when as stated by posters other than myself, it happens everywhere nowadays ???
Except Dublin that is ::)
and when Whelan did it against Meath I said he was blessed not to get sent off and he shouldn't have done it...difference is when Dublin do it I don't approve and am quite happy to say so
Ah, get over yourself.
I seem to recall Sean Doherty of the greatest Dub team ever taking out Micky Ned O Sullivan with the most vicious assault ever seen on a football pitch. Dont be such a pr@t
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/this-is-our-biggest-challenge-yet-says-tyrone-boss-mickey-14436171.html (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/this-is-our-biggest-challenge-yet-says-tyrone-boss-mickey-14436171.html)
Don't be surprised if Tyrone step up a gear against Kildare in Sunday's All Ireland football quarter final in Croke Park.
Until now they have been motoring along nicely, but they still feel they have something to prove.
Three All Irelands in eight years is a fair haul by any standards, but to be regarded as a great side this squad is convinced they must win back-to-back All Irelands.
Manager Mickey Harte's more immediate concern is with overcoming Kildare.
Nailing down back-to-back All Irelands would raise Tyrone up there with some of the finest sides ever to lift Sam.
It's the first championship meeting between Tyrone and Kildare and Harte, ever the pragmatist, insists that nothing less than Tyrone's best will suffice.
He said: "We will require a more consistent 70 minutes if we're to beat Kildare.
"At various stages in all three of our games we've played reasonably well."
The last time the Red Hand county reached the last eight as provincial champions they were beaten by Meath and Harte knows the real championship begins now when there are no longer any safety nets when you lose.
"Croke Park is the place to be at this time of the year and it's when we normally play our best football, but like every other county we've had our bad days there as well.
"People have said this is Kildare's All Ireland final, but it's our All Ireland final too for we cannot afford to lose or we're out.
"I've been impressed with what I've seen of Kildare this season.
"Kieran McGeeney has done a good job with them and they are a hard working, developing side who have a great physical presence. They pushed Dublin all the way in the Leinster final so Kildare aren't that far away," he said.
Spare a thought for Tyrone keeper John Devine who will miss the game after dislocating his shoulder in training.
Pascal McConnell steps into the breach with Jonathan Curran on the bench.
Midfielder Enda McGinley, who didn't start the Ulster final because of a hamstring injury, continues to be a major concern.
Kildare manager McGeeney will have to plan for Sunday's match without defender Mikey Conway.
The uncompromising corner back was carried off at half-time in Kildare's qualifying victory over Wicklow last Saturday.
McGeeney, though, still believes that the Lily Whites are becoming a more consistent championship outfit.
"It's our second quarter-final in two seasons and it's good to see there's now a level of consistency there."
Reflecting on his team's hard earned win over Wicklow he added: "We played well against Dublin in the Leinster final and still had nothing to show at the end of it all.
"It was important that we got back to winning ways. Our substitutions appeared to give us an extra bit of freshness and pace near the end and that made all the difference. But Tyrone with all their experience will be a totally different proposition."
Quote from: On_the_Couch on July 28, 2009, 06:39:26 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 28, 2009, 01:02:06 PM
Quote from: Tyrones own on July 27, 2009, 10:40:58 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 27, 2009, 10:27:59 PM
Quote from: Tyrones own on July 27, 2009, 05:31:26 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 27, 2009, 12:08:14 PM
If there is a ref who starts booking players for stopping free kicks etcat the start and Kildare learn to be as cynical as Tyrone at stopping goal chances it could make things interesting otherwise Tyrone to win pretty well
Cop on DFS, It's not like Dublin players or any other county's for that matter don't stand in front of
the free taker to watch for the quick pass or will stand back and let some man waltz straight through
for goal simply because he's beaten his marker ::)
If you don't like Tyrone then simply say so!
So you think that sort of behaviour is fully acceptable on the pitch??? I believe it should be an automatic yellow card everytime no matter where on the pitch and needs to be stopped. Remind me the last time a Dublin player took a player down going through on goals....sometimes we would be far better off doing it but its not how I believe football should be played....Did you see Kildare drag Wicklow forwards to the ground, or Antrim to Tyrone/Kerry forwards etc???
:D Na they're usually stopped out round midfield with Whelen's fist....... Get out a that FFS with your holier than thou attitude
Why just castigate Tyrone for it when as stated by posters other than myself, it happens everywhere nowadays ???
Except Dublin that is ::)
and when Whelan did it against Meath I said he was blessed not to get sent off and he shouldn't have done it...difference is when Dublin do it I don't approve and am quite happy to say so
Ah, get over yourself.
Didn't someone from Dublin take out Sean Cavanagh in one of the 05 games to give away a penalty?
Quote from: never kickt a ball on July 29, 2009, 01:51:15 AM
Quote from: On_the_Couch on July 28, 2009, 06:39:26 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 28, 2009, 01:02:06 PM
Quote from: Tyrones own on July 27, 2009, 10:40:58 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 27, 2009, 10:27:59 PM
Quote from: Tyrones own on July 27, 2009, 05:31:26 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 27, 2009, 12:08:14 PM
If there is a ref who starts booking players for stopping free kicks etcat the start and Kildare learn to be as cynical as Tyrone at stopping goal chances it could make things interesting otherwise Tyrone to win pretty well
Cop on DFS, It's not like Dublin players or any other county's for that matter don't stand in front of
the free taker to watch for the quick pass or will stand back and let some man waltz straight through
for goal simply because he's beaten his marker ::)
If you don't like Tyrone then simply say so!
So you think that sort of behaviour is fully acceptable on the pitch??? I believe it should be an automatic yellow card everytime no matter where on the pitch and needs to be stopped. Remind me the last time a Dublin player took a player down going through on goals....sometimes we would be far better off doing it but its not how I believe football should be played....Did you see Kildare drag Wicklow forwards to the ground, or Antrim to Tyrone/Kerry forwards etc???
:D Na they're usually stopped out round midfield with Whelen's fist....... Get out a that FFS with your holier than thou attitude
Why just castigate Tyrone for it when as stated by posters other than myself, it happens everywhere nowadays ???
Except Dublin that is ::)
and when Whelan did it against Meath I said he was blessed not to get sent off and he shouldn't have done it...difference is when Dublin do it I don't approve and am quite happy to say so
Ah, get over yourself.
Didn't someone from Dublin take out Sean Cavanagh in one of the 05 games to give away a penalty?
Perfect tackle by Stephen O'Shaughnessy to disposess Cavanagh and was never a penalty but the ref was so far away it looked like one to him
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 29, 2009, 10:51:22 AM
Perfect tackle by Stephen O'Shaughnessy to disposess Cavanagh and was never a penalty but the ref was so far away it looked like one to him
Would tend to agree with that, but for jaysus' sake lose the halo!
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 29, 2009, 10:51:22 AM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on July 29, 2009, 01:51:15 AM
Quote from: On_the_Couch on July 28, 2009, 06:39:26 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 28, 2009, 01:02:06 PM
Quote from: Tyrones own on July 27, 2009, 10:40:58 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 27, 2009, 10:27:59 PM
Quote from: Tyrones own on July 27, 2009, 05:31:26 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 27, 2009, 12:08:14 PM
If there is a ref who starts booking players for stopping free kicks etcat the start and Kildare learn to be as cynical as Tyrone at stopping goal chances it could make things interesting otherwise Tyrone to win pretty well
Cop on DFS, It's not like Dublin players or any other county's for that matter don't stand in front of
the free taker to watch for the quick pass or will stand back and let some man waltz straight through
for goal simply because he's beaten his marker ::)
If you don't like Tyrone then simply say so!
So you think that sort of behaviour is fully acceptable on the pitch??? I believe it should be an automatic yellow card everytime no matter where on the pitch and needs to be stopped. Remind me the last time a Dublin player took a player down going through on goals....sometimes we would be far better off doing it but its not how I believe football should be played....Did you see Kildare drag Wicklow forwards to the ground, or Antrim to Tyrone/Kerry forwards etc???
:D Na they're usually stopped out round midfield with Whelen's fist....... Get out a that FFS with your holier than thou attitude
Why just castigate Tyrone for it when as stated by posters other than myself, it happens everywhere nowadays ???
Except Dublin that is ::)
and when Whelan did it against Meath I said he was blessed not to get sent off and he shouldn't have done it...difference is when Dublin do it I don't approve and am quite happy to say so
Ah, get over yourself.
Didn't someone from Dublin take out Sean Cavanagh in one of the 05 games to give away a penalty?
Perfect tackle by Stephen O'Shaughnessy to disposess Cavanagh and was never a penalty but the ref was so far away it looked like one to him
Aah right! If Dublin do it it's a perfect tackle, but if Tyrone do it it's cynical.
Quote from: never kickt a ball on July 29, 2009, 11:48:35 AM
Aah right! If Dublin do it it's a perfect tackle, but if Tyrone do it it's cynical.
Don't be so cynical.
Quote from: Zapatista on July 29, 2009, 12:02:30 PM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on July 29, 2009, 11:48:35 AM
Aah right! If Dublin do it it's a perfect tackle, but if Tyrone do it it's cynical.
Don't be so cynical.
It was a perfect point Zapatista. You're just so far away it looks cynical :D
Good to be meeting a different side in the championship.
Outside of Ulster (might be missing 1/2) :
Kerry '86, '03, '05, '08
Wexford '02, '08
Dublin '84, '95, '05, '08
Mayo '89, '04, '08
Westmeath '08
Louth '57, '06, '08
Meath '96, '07
Laois '04, '06
Galway '56, '86, '95, '04
Leitrim '02
Sligo '02
Cork '73
Interesting list but I don't think Tyrone played Galway in the 2005 Championship?
Quote from: cornafean on July 29, 2009, 12:18:42 PM
Interesting list but I don't think Tyrone played Galway in the 2005 Championship?
Sorry, 04.
Ticketmaster now selling Upper Cusack tickets. Must be more demand for them to open the upper levels.
Did anyone try the Combo package on the GAA ticket website?
Good deal for tickets for the semi as well if you're confident of getting there or not bothered who you watch
Not much talk about team news this week.
I presume defense will stay the same & I expect & hope Sean starts at MF
I think he seems happier there and looks his more natural position.
Will be interesting to see do Kildare not employ a sweeper as I'd imagine Penrose & O'Neill could have a field day if given a lot of space.
I reckon he'll start with same team as the last day with Packie the only change.
Would like to see Brian Mac getting at least a full half this time round and maybe McCullagh
Beat them in 95 (only game I missed that year) but also beat them in 2004.
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 29, 2009, 02:06:50 PM
Beat them in 95 (only game I missed that year) but also beat them in 1004.
There was me thinking the GAA has only been going 125 years. Someone better tell Jarlath Burns.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 29, 2009, 01:53:10 PM
Did anyone try the Combo package on the GAA ticket website?
Good deal for tickets for the semi as well if you're confident of getting there or not bothered who you watch
Yes, I did, 65 Euros (10 Euros for kids) for both games and the seats are well positioned as well ..
Lower Cusack, Section 308, Row QQ
Is QQ far back from the front? Is it covered? Looks like could be wet on Sunday.
I think Row A doesn't start at the very front but from where you walk in and turn up the ways
Is AA down the very front?
Why do Kildare play in green as their 2nd jerseys?
It goes from A - WW. Row A is the very front and from Row AA is supposed to be covered but unless the wind is blowing a certain direction you'll be fairly dry from about Row S
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 29, 2009, 02:46:27 PM
Is QQ far back from the front? Is it covered? Looks like could be wet on Sunday.
According to the seating plan http://www.crokepark.ie/files/seating_plan.pdf (http://www.crokepark.ie/files/seating_plan.pdf) from Row EE backwards is covered ...
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 29, 2009, 02:46:27 PM
Is QQ far back from the front? Is it covered? Looks like could be wet on Sunday.
I think Row A doesn't start at the very front but from where you walk in and turn up the ways
Is AA down the very front?
Why do Kildare play in green as their 2nd jerseys?
A lot of teams will use their provincial colours as their second jersey. Kildare - Green, Kerry - Blue etc.
out of curiosity have tyrone ever used the ulster provincial colours? in my time when there's been a clash tyrone have always worn all red.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 29, 2009, 02:46:27 PM
Why do Kildare play in green as their 2nd jerseys?
It's a tribute to Mexico.
Quote from: clarshack on July 29, 2009, 03:05:50 PM
out of curiosity have tyrone ever used the ulster provincial colours? in my time when there's been a clash tyrone have always worn all red.
Not to my memory anyway.
Quote from: clarshack on July 29, 2009, 03:05:50 PM
out of curiosity have tyrone ever used the ulster provincial colours? in my time when there's been a clash tyrone have always worn all red.
Dont think so, the only teams ive seen wearing the saffron are Down & Donegal.
Mikey Conway ruled out for up to eight months
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29 July 2009
By RUTH O'BRIEN
NURNEY'S Mikey Conway is likely to be out of action for up to eight months after picking up a knee injury during last Saturday's victory over Wicklow.
Following a scan yesterday (Tuesday), it has been confirmed that Conway suffered a ruptured cruciate ligament during the fourth round qualifier in Portlaoise.
The injury is likely to rule him out of competitive action for the next six to eight months.
The news comes as a huge blow to management ahead of this weekend's All Ireland quarter final meeting with Tyrone. Conway has been one of Kildare's leading lights this year having been moved from the forward ranks to wing back.
http://www.leinsterleader.ie/sport/Mikey-Conway-ruled-out-for.5505437.jp (http://www.leinsterleader.ie/sport/Mikey-Conway-ruled-out-for.5505437.jp)
Absolute disaster for Mikey. He took Laois apart on his own and has been superb all year. McGeeney's decision to convert the lad into a half back has been a masterstroke. Hope he has a speedy recovery and is back next year for another assault on the Leinster and possibly more.
Blanket Attack [/b]
By Colm Keys Irish Indo
Wednesday July 29 2009
Rightly or wrongly, Tyrone have been credited with being the genesis of a new way of playing Gaelic football, a terrible beauty born under the stewardship of Mickey Harte.
It is one of the general observations that has hung around for most of this decade and remains largely unchallenged in the public perception, refusing to go away. Getting sufficient bodies back behind the ball has led to the development of a tactical product known generally known as 'blanket defence'.
That simple, then? That's what has made them All-Ireland champions in three of the last six years, their willingness to pour into their own territory when they don't have the ball and strangle a game with numbers?
The legacy of that ravenous attack on Eoin Brosnan in the 2003 All-Ireland semi-final against Kerry will indeed be difficult to shake off. But if Tyrone are so negative, why is it then that, in 42 championship matches since Harte took over in late 2002, defenders have accounted for 4-58 of their cumulative total in that time?
In percentage terms it doesn't stack up to much, an average of less than two points per game from defenders in a team that scores so freely and racks up such considerable tallies.
But what other set of defenders have pressed forward with such precision and timing as Philip Jordan, Davy Harte, Conor Gormley and Ryan McMenamin?
Tomas and Marc O Se and Aidan O'Mahony have been prolific for Kerry, Dublin's Bryan Cullen may have lost his place earlier this season for his forays out of centre-back, Graham Canty and his sidekicks are always prone to bombing forward and Peadar Gardiner provided Mayo's coup de grace in the recent Connacht final.
But Tyrone have mastered the art of releasing their defenders, half-backs or corner-backs, into areas where many of their contemporaries suffer stage fright and panic attacks. The numbers on their backs give only a broad outline of where they might play. Their instinct guides them differently.
It's a reflection of the natural ability and intelligence that seeps through this team. They know when to go and they know they can because of the trust that exists in those around to cover the gaps they leave behind. It underlines a point Harte has consistently (does he even bother to try and explain it any more!) made in defending or explaining the way his team plays.
As much as forwards and midfielders like to get back and defend, the instinct and licence is there among his defenders to attack.
That point was emphasised clearly in the early stages of recent Ulster final, when McMenamin booted forward to score their opening point, minutes after a Paddy Cunningham free got Antrim off the mark.
McMenamin had been lurking with intent in Antrim's half from the throw-in, pushing up as Antrim dropped Terry O'Neill back as part of their regular ploy.
The licence to roam has been in place since Harte took command in the dressing-room. His first priority in any player he has chosen has been their football.
The freedom led to players like Declan McCrossan, Shane Sweeney and even Chris Lawn (on one occasion) regularly getting on the score sheets when they were picked in the 2003 and 2004 championships.
But the real attacking thrusts have come from a quartet of experienced defenders. Jordan has virtually been ever-present since 2003 and has accumulated an impressive tally, 2-14, in that time.
Last year was a productive one, with his three-point haul against Wexford in the All-Ireland semi-final providing 50pc of the 0-6 that half-backs contributed to a 0-23 winning tally. Their movement that day broke Wexford hearts.
If they broke Wexford hearts then they shattered Dublin's two weeks earlier, particularly Davy Harte, whose goal ended all remote hopes of a comeback in a one-sided All-Ireland quarter final.
Harte has been their most prolific defender going forward with 1-14 from right half-back in just over four seasons. He scored at least a point in five of their eight championship games in '08 and has been on target in two of their championship games so far this season. In '07 the only game in four that he drew a blank in was their All-Ireland quarter-final defeat to Meath.
McMenamin has re-written the rules for corner-back play since his emergence and gives oxygen to the policy that attack is the best form of defence for a corner-back.
Threat
In recent seasons he has been much more regular as an out-and-out half-back and that has re-ignited him as a scoring threat with three points in last year's eight-match sequence.
Gormley is restricted to higher-level security duties these days and generally picks up the most potent weapon in opposition. But the adventurous streak in him remains, a streak that brought him 1-9 in seven seasons now, including 0-4 in his first season under Harte.
So the next time the words 'Tyrone' and 'blanket defence' are mentioned in the same breath do them a favour and acknowledge their instinct for 'blanket attack' as well.
- Colm Keys
Anyone have any other articles from the Irish news etc
I see Paddy Heaney stuck his neck out again yesterday & said Monday will be the end of this Kerry team.
Francie Mooney, in today's Irish News:
Cavanagh up for Croke
Sean Cavanagh is having disturbing flashbacks as the days count down towards Sunday's All-Ireland quarter-final against Kildare.
On the last occasion Tyrone faced into the Championship's last eight as provincial champions, disaster struck a cruel blow. An unfancied Meath team staged a fearless Croke Park raid and stunned Ulster's finest.That 2007 defeat was the most painful Cavanagh has had to deal with in his eight seasons as a Tyrone senior star.
Mickey Harte's men have enjoyed more success when battling their way through the Qualifiers than by the direct route, winning two of their three All-Ireland titles this decade via the back door. Now they return to GAA Headquarters as Ulster champions, and once again face Leinster opponents. Cavanagh senses the danger. "The one thing that rings in our ears at the moment is 2007. We beat Monaghan to win the Ulster title, and it's a similar scenario," said Cavanagh."We went into the quarter-final maybe with our heads up in the skies, and Meath caught us that day, and deservedly so, and beat us well. That's the sort of complacency that we're going to have to be wary of."
Nevertheless, Cavanagh insists that Tyrone are on a chosen path, and in the very place they want to be. Harte and his men have made no secret of the fact that they are on a mission not only to retain the Sam Maguire Cup for the first time, but to do so on the back of an unbeaten run. "Things have gone to plan to date. We maybe haven't had a real cut-and-thrust Championship game to date, like we have had in previous years.
"You think back to the likes of 2003 and 2005, when we had real ding-dong games against the likes of Derry and Cavan and teams like that. From that point of view, we probably were a little bit complacent going into the Ulster final against Antrim, and whenever we got five or six points up, we really couldn't push on. And that's probably going to be the big factor that we're going to have to work on, because if it had been Galway or Kerry or Cork on that occasion, I'm not too sure whether we would still be in the Championship."
The Footballer of the Year produced the sort of performance that puts him in the frame to retain that personal accolade when he inspired Tyrone to a comfortable Ulster final win over Antrim. Restored to his favourite midfield role in the absence of injured Enda McGinley, he capped a breathtaking display with a 1-4 tally from play. With McGinley fit again following a hamstring strain, manager Harte must decide if he can afford to remove Cavanagh from his engine room. The Moy man will set aside his personal preference for the good of the team, and he's confident that the other players are ready to lift the overall output to a new level.
"There's massive improvement to be made, but things have gone well so far. We know we have the type of players who have level heads, who will put their heads down and work really hard, and hopefully when we get to Croke Park, we can really hit the ground running."
The All-Ireland champions have been able to cruise through the Ulster Championship with wins over Armagh, Derry and Antrim without playing to their full potential, but Cavanagh believes that the time has come when they need to move up to the next level. "The three games to date have been really strange in that the atmosphere at them has been flat. Things have been just ticking along, we haven't really been tested to our full extent. We've always had a three or four-point cushion in the games. Maybe that just hadn't brought the best out in us yet, but certainly we know now that the football is really going to start now, whenever we hit Croke Park. The types of performances that we have been putting up against Armagh, Derry and Antrim respectively just haven't been good enough to go on and win the All-Ireland.There's work to be done, but I suppose we have had the experience of it before and we know that ourselves, and we can certainly improve at this point."
One thing that Cavanagh is certain of is that Tyrone possess the quality to succeed once again in 2009. In the Ulster final, Mickey Harte was able to turn to his bench and call upon a galaxy of Allstars and All-Ireland winners. Substitutes he used on that occasion included Enda McGinley, Colm McCullagh, Brian McGuigan, Ciaran Gourley and Colm Cavanagh. And Sean Cavanagh believes that the strength in depth within the squad is keeping the pressure on everyone to strive for optimum performance.
"The guys on the bench really are pushing the first fifteen on. You look over your shoulder and looking at the likes of Enda McGinley on the bench, a fantastic player, one of Tyrone's greatest players over the past number of years. And whenever you have that strength in depth in the squad, you know that if something isn't going right on any give day, someone else can step in and do the business."
Croker last rites for the Kingdom
By Paddy Heaney
Wednesday, July 29, 2009
A FEW months ago, this column caused some civil unrest in the deep south when it dared to suggest that we, as a nation, are hopelessly deluded about Kerry football.
The column was written on the eve of the championship and it was largely in response to the overwhelming majority of pundits, journalists and ex-players who had selected Kerry as the team most likely to win this year's All-Ireland title.
We argued that these people were just plain wrong. It said these people were still living under the spell of the magical green and gold jersey. It said they were allowing tradition and nostalgia to cloud their judgement.
A few months later and the cognoscenti who were telling us why Kerry were going to win this year's All-Ireland title have dramatically changed their tune. At that time, we were told that Jack was back to conquer Tyrone. His team had just cruised to the National League title and, with his squad bolstered by Tadhg Kennelly and young David Moran, he was perfectly-positioned for glory.
Now, the same people are telling us that Kerry are in total disarray. It turns out Jack was wrong to go back. His book was a mistake. It rubbed the O Sé brothers up the wrong way. Apparently, Jack has now lost the changing room. We are also being told that the players have too many miles on the legs. They are weary and worn.
Ironically, much of the analysis outlining what is wrong with Kerry is as fundamentally flawed as the articles written to explain why they would win this year's championship.
For the benefit of those now suffering from selective amnesia, it's necessary to point out that Jack O'Connor was welcomed back with open arms. The players and the public applauded his appointment. Furthermore, there was no mention of tired legs or mental fatigue when Kerry collected the League title in cruise control.
The real problem facing this Kerry squad centres on its dependence on individuals. Last year, 'Team Tyrone' beat 15 Kerry players. The trouble with individuals is that they put themselves first, which is the long way of saying 'indiscipline'.
And indiscipline explains the red card that ruled Paul Galvin out of action for much of last summer. It explains the three yellow cards that Kerry picked up when they lost their composure before half-time in the All-Ireland final.
And if we delve deeper, there is further evidence to demonstrate why Tyrone's collective emerged triumphant.
Last year's final essentially turned at the start of the second half. Darragh O Sé, who was imperious in the first period, found himself standing beside a fresh-legged and determined Kevin Hughes for the second throw-in.
Darragh had just completed 35 minutes of hard graft. Kevin, a substitute, was pawing at the ground. Tyrone's goal came when Hughes came bounding through the centre of the pitch and took a pass from Stephen O'Neill. Darragh hadn't the legs to keep up with his younger, fitter rival.
Watch a replay of last year's All-Ireland final and witness the number of times Darragh is chasing back, valiantly trying to catch a player that is leaving him for dead.
Jack O'Connor will have watched last year's final on countless occasions. Darragh's performance was not lost on him. At the start of the year, he set out to establish a new midfield partnership. Anthony Maher, Mike Quirke and David Moran were all given ample game time in the League, but the midfield was exposed against Cork in the championship.
This meant O'Connor had to go back to Darragh. Of course, there is no doubt that Darragh O Sé can make a huge contribution, but last year's All-Ireland final provides clear evidence that his ageing limbs can be exposed over the course of 70 minutes.
The obvious solution is to keep Darragh in cold storage, then introduce him at half-time for the crucial phase of the game.
Now, consider the contrast with Tyrone, where everyone submits obediently to the gameplan. The collective comes first.
Both Kevin Hughes and Brian McGuigan wanted to start last year's final. But Mickey Harte believed they could make a more telling impact as substitutes.
A fit Hughes could run the legs off a tiring Darragh. McGuigan could provide composure and intelligence during a frenetic finish.
Like the rest of the Tyrone squad, Hughes and McGuigan learned a long time ago to accept the wisdom of the man who manages them.
A different dynamic exists in Kerry. The players hold more sway because they've won All-Ireland titles under three different managers. Kerry's success over the last decade has stemmed from brilliant individuals with big, powerful, resilient egos. But the cause of that strength is now their greatest weakness.
Jack O'Connor is now trying to wrest that control from the players. His decision to drop Tomás O Sé and Colm Cooper for drinking before a round four qualifier would appear unavoidable to anyone with the faintest knowledge of management. Yet, the reaction in Kerry to O'Connor's decision neatly demonstrates their current subservience to the talented individual rather than the team.
The real crisis for Kerry would be if two players could escape punishment for such a breach of discipline. The fact that Jack O'Connor could make that call, and Kerry's radically improved conduct on the pitch provides evidence that he has more authority over his changing room than is supposedly the case.
But, O'Connor is fighting an uphill battle. Whereas Mike Frank Russell and Eoin Brosnan recently quit his squad, the absolute unity and dedication that Jack needs can be found in the changing room of his next opponents. Dublin's Ciarán Whelan, Bryan Cullen and Shane Ryan have all been prepared to sit on the bench.
Nevertheless, Kerry's grip on the public imagination is still incredibly strong. For all their failings and fall-outs, it's amazing how few can identify the symptoms of a dying team.
There is a nationwide inability to dismiss Kerry. Despite the evidence presented in recent games, there are many who still insist that 'you write Kerry off at your peril'. What cautious drivel!
Against Longford, Sligo and Antrim, we witnessed a once fine team in the death throes. Proud, strong and noble, it's fitting that Kerry are gasping for every last lungful of air.
It's a relief they weren't beaten in the qualifiers.
These players deserved a better send-off than to be laid to rest in a remote outpost in the midlands.
Better for them to return to the capital, and Croke Park, the ground they consider home, and the place where this Kerry team will receive their last rites.
Read more: http://www.examiner.ie/sport/gaa/croker-last-rites-for-the-kingdom-97491.html#ixzz0MfCgxn4z
Does Heaney's against the breeze appear in the irish examiner on a regular basis then??
Looking at QF appearances to date, the trend suggests we're in bother come Sunday
01 v Derry Lost
03 v Fermanagh Won
04 v Mayo Lost
05 v Dublin Won
07 v Meath Lost
08 v Dublin Won
Does anyone know if BBC NI are covering the game on sunday?
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 29, 2009, 04:56:13 PM
Does anyone know if BBC NI are covering the game on sunday?
Both games live
Quote from: tyrone86 on July 29, 2009, 04:49:39 PM
Looking at QF appearances to date, the trend suggests we're in bother come Sunday
Exactly, and that's why the lads are so determined to buck the trend! ;)
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 29, 2009, 03:38:24 PM
Blanket Attack [/b]
By Colm Keys Irish Indo
Rightly or wrongly, Tyrone have been credited with being the genesis of a new way of playing Gaelic football, a terrible beauty born under the stewardship of Mickey Harte.
<SNIP>
So the next time the words 'Tyrone' and 'blanket defence' are mentioned in the same breath do them a favour and acknowledge their instinct for 'blanket attack' as well.
- Colm Keys
I wonder where Colm Keys got the idea for the phrase "blanket attack" (http://forum.football365.com/images/smiley_icons/icon_rolleyes.gif)
Interesting how Cavanagh talks about the subdued atmosphere. It has been very noticeable this year, especially in the SF v Derry when most of the crowd were yawning. We're crap at being winners. I can't see this happening on Sunday. We need a good rattle to get us going and we'll get it!!
Quote from: ONeill on July 29, 2009, 06:37:32 PM
Interesting how Cavanagh talks about the subdued atmosphere. It has been very noticeable this year, especially in the SF v Derry when most of the crowd were yawning. We're crap at being winners. I can't see this happening on Sunday. We need a good rattle to get us going and we'll get it!!
Probably a wee bit of complacency among the support with three AIs in the bag now, but there's also the fact that, apart for about 10 minutes against Armagh, it never looked like Tyrone were in any trouble in any of their three matches to date, particularly against the inbreds who were woeful, and the supporters knew that ... Kildare will be a different bottle of chips altogether alright
Gerry Ó Conamha of Gaillcommon confirmed as the ref. ???
I don't know lads, are ye all just being coy or playing wee mind games or are ye genuinely concerned.
I think its a very different Tyrone team to that in 07. I can't see Kildare penetrating our defence that often and from what I saw in Leinster final they have a poor defence themselves. I'd rate them on a par with Derry but if we score more than 12 points we'll be grand.
Please don't quote this back to me on Monday
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 29, 2009, 07:15:04 PM
Gerry Ó Conamha of Gaillcommon confirmed as the ref. ???
ah f**k he hasn't a clue
Thank God it is not P Hughes from Cross - his display in the Ulster Final was woeful.
Interesting stat from that game from the IN, Antrim were awarded double the numbers of frees awarded to Tyrone. I could be wrong but he appears to award 50/50 decisions against Tyrone in the couple of games he has taken charge of.
On a more general note but including Hughes - why can't referees spot where a player pulls down an opponent while in posession and wins a free - happens a couple of times in every game. Could not believe Bannon spotted it in a game he reffed last week. Is this not spotted by the assessors and pointed out to refs after games???
Rant over - expect a high scoring game on Sunday, 5/6 with PP for total points > 32.5
From Irish Indo
Tyrone test is right up Kildare's street - Earley
WHILE some would have groaned at the prospect of facing a Tyrone side that has been winning with boring efficiency, it's just the tie Kildare midfielder Dermot Earley relishes.
According to the Sarsfields stalwart, testing yourself against the best team in the country is the only way to go. For him, there is no point in waiting until later in the summer to find out if you're good enough.
"We have been watching Tyrone for the last six years on TV winning All-Irelands, winning Ulsters and contesting finals," he says. "Tyrone have set the benchmark over the last couple of years in terms of fitness and running non-stop and tackling.
"This is a challenge and it is good that we got Tyrone -- the top team -- to see how far away we are or are we there already. It is a big question, but we will find out on Sunday."
With five championship games under their collective belts, Kildare have been handed plenty of tests and last week saw them avenge last summer's shock defeat against Wicklow. Kieran McGeeney has started a project in Kildare and after a shaky start to his reign, the Lilywhites are suddenly hard-edged and mean.
Knuckled
"We were tested in a good few of the games, especially the Dublin game. The positive was that even after the bad start, when we gave them 1-3, we knuckled down and came right back and actually took the lead," reflects veteran Earley who made his SFC debut in 1997.
"Again, if it wasn't for a few little mistakes, like the one for the second goal, it could have been a different story. We look at all those things, try and learn from them and make sure you don't do the same things again. I think we have improved since the Dublin game and we will learn again from Wicklow. We let them in again for two soft goals and you can't really be doing that at this level."
At the start of the decade, McGeeney's Armagh side were Tyrone's deadliest rivals and with former Orchard County selector Paul Grimley also in the Lilies' backroom team, Earley is hoping their in-depth knowledge can help Kildare progress past the quarter-final stage, where they fell last year.
"They have that knowledge," the Army officer remarks. "They have played so many times up there. Every little bit helps and the two lads know a good bit about them. At the same time, hopefully, we will go out and play our own game as well.
"You can't get caught up in what Tyrone will do and all the great players they have. We have to concentrate on our own game."
Earley was yesterday assisting with the launch of the MBNA Kick Fada competition, which takes place in Bray Emmets in September and so far this season he has landed plenty of long kicks over the bar himself.
Contender
Three points from play against Wicklow last weekend cemented many observers' view that he is a leading contender for an All Star award, but for Earley, the only thing he wants from the season is to remain injury-free. Plagued with broken metatarsals in the past, he has been free of setbacks this year and that has helped him maintain his rich vein of form - something which has been so vital to the Leinster men.
However, the news is not so good for wing-back Mikey Conway who has been ruled out for the rest of the season after a scan confirmed he has sustained a cruciate knee ligament injury for the second time. The midfielder can empathise with his team-mate as he knows how hard it is to come back from such a blow.
"I'm enjoying the football and enjoying training," Earley says. "Staying injury-free, that's the main thing. When you do get injuries, people expect you to get back to where you were, but it doesn't work like that. You have to go through the whole process of getting the injury right and getting the confidence back in. Thankfully, I've had a run over the last couple of years where I haven't had any major injuries and I think that's probably paying off at the moment."
Kildare will be hoping that it all pays off against Tyrone on Sunday.
- Donnchadh Boyle
Quote from: redhandluke on July 30, 2009, 12:50:13 AM
Thank God it is not P Hughes from Cross - his display in the Ulster Final was woeful.
Interesting stat from that game from the IN, Antrim were awarded double the numbers of frees awarded to Tyrone. I could be wrong but he appears to award 50/50 decisions against Tyrone in the couple of games he has taken charge of.
On a more general note but including Hughes - why can't referees spot where a player pulls down an opponent while in posession and wins a free - happens a couple of times in every game. Could not believe Bannon spotted it in a game he reffed last week. Is this not spotted by the assessors and pointed out to refs after games???
Rant over - expect a high scoring game on Sunday, 5/6 with PP for total points > 32.5
I have to agree that Paudie's display was somewhat hmmmm...erratic, but Tyrone benefited from a few safties also and we actually had a fairly clean open game of football. The only cynical challenge was McGinley on the brother in law when there was a snifter of a goal on.
Lilies face toughest task but Tyrone are untested
Maybe it was the draw that nobody wanted but try telling Kildare manager Kieran McGeeney. Since when did playing Tyrone bother an Armagh man?
"The provincial winners this year are probably the four best teams in the country, right throughout the league and everything else so there will be no handy draws but they won't see us as a handy number either," said McGeeney.
McGeeney will relish the challenge and so will his trusted deputy, Paul Grimley, who was known to deal with Tyrone men like they were Lilliputians standing in Gulliver's way. Except in games of football on fields of battle Grimely was never one to ask questions first. There is no chance that Tyrone will be mute when Kildare begin to ask them questions about their All-Ireland credentials on Sunday but as much as every team in the country fears the reigning champions this contest is about Kildare as much as it is about the Ulster champions.
How far have they come and have they come much further since their Leinster final loss to Dublin?
Kildare have little to lose except their place in the All-Ireland championship and for the elder statesmen like Dermot Earley and John Doyle, that's a precious thing to have. Kildare can play with wild abandon and they will but this time the Lilies have to prove that they can keep the opposition at bay when they try to steal that All-Ireland semi-final place from them.
So far Tyrone have not been tested in the way that Kildare have been.
Up north recent results suggest it's not the fabled breeding ground it once was. Wicklow took care of three Ulster sides on their own and now only two remain after Donegal fluked their way through the qualifiers.
Tyrone never had to hit fifth gear en route to their provincial success but according to Gaelic Life's GAA writer and Tyrone man, Ciarán Woods, this time the Red Hand brigade want to do things the easy way.
"This time it's personal. The Kerry monkey is off their back, they want to win the All-Ireland in six games, no replays, no extra-time. They want the perfect season," says Woods.
Manager Mickey Harte has brought in Caroline Currid, a performance coach from Sligo, who has acted as a go-between for Harte with the players and it means there's even greater trust and as much control on-field as off-field.
Two years ago Meath managed to overturn Harte's side in similar circumstances and there is reason to believe Kildare are equipped to do something similar if they can tidy up at the back.
Kildare have never met Tyrone in championship before and it could be a game of firsts. You feel the first to settle, the first to get a goal and the first to dominate will weigh heavy on the outcome but most of all it'll be about the side that's first to every ball. Kildare can do it but maybe not just now.
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Full back problems need solving to beat Tyrone
For all the problems exposed in Saturday night's game, it is still a notable achievement to emerge with a victory.
So far, we are the only beaten provincial finalists into the quarter-finals, and that says something about the mental strength of the players.
Wicklow's qualifier run meant all the momentum was with them. Before the game, it was billed as the biggest football match in their county's history; and for once, the Kildare support was out-cheered by a fired-up opposition contingent.
On the surface, the game should not have meant as much to the Lilies. We are not strong All-Ireland contenders, and in previous years, defeat in Leinster has weakened our back door resolve. This was the type of game we definitely would have lost two or three or four years ago.
All through this column's life we have called for the determination and desire to underpin every Kildare championship performance; ever since victory over Cavan last year, the players have not disappointed us once.
Consecutive appearances in the last eight suggest we can now consider ourselves one of the better teams in the country. With that status comes higher standards, and some of them were not met in the Wicklow match.
Obviously, our defending close to goal is a massive problem.
A similar performance in this department against Tyrone will see us concede at least two goals and Mickey Harte's men are good enough already without making life easy for them.
Mick Foley is patently not equipped for life in the full-back line. He was switched onto Dean Odlum because he found Seanie Furlong too difficult an opponent; but thereafter, Odlum grew in prominence.
Foley was also far from watertight in the Leinster final. I still believe him to be one of our best footballers, and he is too good not to at least be in the first 20 that Kildare use this weekend. For all the good football Brian Flanagan has played this year, I think Foley would prosper at centre-back. With Mikey Conway looking to have little chance of recovering for the Tyrone match, a half-back line of O'Flaherty (excellent the last two games), Foley and Flanagan would be the best available to us.
Our management are unlikely to make such a structural change at this stage, though. They must act in some fashion, however, for this Kildare team, while not Tyrone's equal, has a chance of beating the All-Ireland champions - but not if we allow them early scoring bursts as we did for Dublin in the Leinster final.
The biggest mystery for supporters is the way Kevin O'Neill has slipped down the pecking order. Substitutions so far this year suggests he is not considered to be one of our best nine backs. We do not have the inside information that people in the camp have, but it is a shame that he is not in the shake-up.
Judging by the way the team has been picked this year, it will probably be either Foley or Aindriu MacLochlainn alongside Hugh McGrillen and Emmet Bolton against Tyrone.
Neither permutation fills me with confidence. Despite his excellence against Wicklow, McGrillen needs another solid show to complete his redemption, while Bolton, though generally sound, must make sure there are no more lapses like his poor defending for Jason Sherlock's goal in the Leinster final.
If our problem with forwards running at us is solved, we are capable of rattling this great Tyrone side. At times - such as in our scoring burst either side of half-time in Portlaoise - we play football to match anything in the country. True, sides like Tyrone do it more consistently, but the promise is still there.
Eamon Callaghan will hopefully start, for he was a key figure in Saturday's victory. His pass to Robert Kelly in the buildup to the goal showed his calm and his wit, for it came at a time when some Kildare players were hitting panicked, pressurised ball inside.
Of course, no-one did more to drag Kildare through than Dermot Earley. I was reminded on Saturday of a shout I heard years ago when Earley was shipping off-the-ball abuse while playing a stormer.
"Don't mind them, Dermot," shouted someone from the crowd. "They can't play with you."
When he is in this sort of form, there are few enough footballers in Ireland that can play with him. Which of us dared hope we would see him back at this level of performance in the middle part of the decade, when he was so beset by injury? For all the bullshit talk of McGeeney instilling negative tactics, Earley embodies and encourages all the good things about this Kildare side with his pure footballing ways.
Don't forget we have scored 1-34 in two games, 1-32 of it from play. Sort out our defensive weaknesses and we are good enough and determined enough to play with the three-time champions, to make them show their credentials one more time. I have a feeling that is what will happen, that we will not capitulate. However, we are playing one of the best teams the sport has seen.
Tyrone to win.
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Tyrone will define our season - Tadhg Fennin
I remember a number of years ago we played Mayo in a challenge game in Rathcoffey. It was one of those pre-season efforts in bad weather and both sides were trying out new players before the start of the league. At half-time Johnny Doyle said something that came to my mind this week.
"Mayo will be fighting it out in Croke Park at the business end of the year," he said. "But will we?"
We were out of the championship early that year but next Sunday it is the business end of the year. We expected to be here and we are here on merit.
Last Saturday we stumbled over Wicklow who were very much in the game until Alan Smith's 68th minute goal broke their hearts. Dermot had a colossal game in midfield and drove us forward at every opportunity as well as kicking three great points. He proved once again that he is one of the best if not the best midfielder in the country at the moment.
As a supporter on the terrace I felt that we were the better team and our options off the bench proved the winning of the game. Two of our subs (Eamon Callaghan and Robert Kelly) combined to open up the Wicklow defence for the Kildare goal and Chalky proved an able deputy for the injured Mikey Conway. The most important thing was the result and to come through a tough game like that will do the lads confidence the world of good heading into the Tyrone game next Sunday, where the biggest thing will be the mental preparation.
We were in the same position this time last year and while we acquitted ourselves well against Cork the lads will realise that they must believe that they can win, they must believe that they are good enough to compete and when the inevitable pressure comes from Tyrone, Kildare must believe in the game-plan.
As a player this preparation will consist of concentrating on the positive, thinking about playing in your position and running through great scores and tackles that you performed in a previous game. Each team left in the quest for Sam Maguire have all the physical preparation and training done and it is whoever has the greater will to win that can make the semi-final. On any given day any team could beat the other so every little detail becomes extra important. And while I know that the lads will respect Tyrone, they will not fear them.
As for the rest of us though the Tyrone strengths make for a tough examination. Tough, tenacious defenders; a great attacking halfback line; experienced midfielders who can score; and some of the most feared forwards in the game. I haven't had the pleasure of playing against Tyrone but to watch them dismantle the teams in Ulster while in full flight is a pleasure.
If you watch the Tyrone defenders they know all the tricks in the book. They slow down or speed up the game as they see fit and they know each other's game so well that they can cover for anyone. But I believe that they haven't played a team like Kildare so far this year and having watched the Leinster final they will expect a Kildare team high on confidence and full of running.
In Mickey Harte, Tyrone possess one of the most intelligent managers in the country. No doubt he will not underestimate Kildare and will recognise the danger of being unprepared for this game. Along with Kilkenny hurling manager Brian Cody, he is one of the most respected minds in the game. He is cool and calm on the sideline and while he is the boss I believe that the senior players on the Tyrone team can recognise any problems that may arise during a game and are not afraid to take measures to rectify them. By handing a measure of responsibility to his players Harte has concentrated on guiding them in the right direction.
When 4 o'clock comes around next Sunday it is 15 against 15 and I believe that Kildare can use the pain of last year's defeat to concentrate on winning the personal battle with their opposite number. This game will define our season and we have no reason not to believe in ourselves now.
http://www.kildare-nationalist.ie/tabId/423/itemId/4668/Tyrone-will-define-our-season.aspx (http://www.kildare-nationalist.ie/tabId/423/itemId/4668/Tyrone-will-define-our-season.aspx)
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 30, 2009, 02:20:55 PM
Up north recent results suggest it's not the fabled breeding ground it once was. Wicklow took care of three Ulster sides on their own and now only two remain after Donegal fluked their way through the qualifiers.
Pretty daft comment, Donegal earned their place with a couple of excellent wins.
Interesting positive articles and if Kildare can believe they can beat Tyrone its a massive step in the right direction.
They didn't look like they believed they could beat the Dubs and looked happy to try to stay close to them.
I think part of why Tyrone has managed to beat Kerry over the past 5 years is the lack of respect for them and believing they really were better than them.
Back to the county colours query...
Tyrone met Kildare in the 1973 AI Minor Final ... and both teams (as was the pattern then) changed to their Provincial colours. Tyrone wore saffron whilst Kildare wore green. And of course Tyrone won – despite Kildress' Martin Lennon giving away a penalty!!! Conor Gormley's father, Sean, played that day at right-half back.
As an aside, for the senior game that day Cork wore a brand new Tyrone (yes, Tyrone!) strip! Cork's red and Galway's maroon obviously clashed so Cork borrowed a fresh-from-the-factory Tyrone strip which hadn't yet had the red hand sewn on. Look at any pictures of that Final and you'll see Cork in all-white with a red trim and red tops to the socks – Tyrone's classic early 1970s strip.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 30, 2009, 03:35:12 PM
Interesting positive articles and if Kildare can believe they can beat Tyrone its a massive step in the right direction.
They didn't look like they believed they could beat the Dubs and looked happy to try to stay close to them.
I think part of why Tyrone has managed to beat Kerry over the past 5 years is the lack of respect for them and believing they really were better than them.
Nail on the head. Some players spent the first few minutes of the Dublin match admiring them and gawping at them as they ran past. Because of this we were 1-3 to 0-0 down before we knew it. When we finally got to the pitch of the game we showed we were more than a match for them but the damage had been done at that stage.
We've got to horse into Tyrone right from the start to have any chance.
Good info, Ziggy.
So, same team as the Ulster final if McGinley's out again?
I would think so but Harte is somtimes hard to guess and of course a change in nets. Pascal will get the nod before Curren.
From today's Irish Independent:
Football fans counting cost as Hill closed for double header
Expectation of a less than bumper crowd for this Sunday's All Ireland SFC quarter-finals means supporters are having to pay top dollar to attend them
No tickets for Hill 16 have been released for the double-header and the top tiers of the Hogan and Cusack stands have also been closed off as the GAA anticipate a smaller-than-capacity crowd
With no tickets made available for Croke Park's legendary terrace - which cost 20 euro for big games - supporters from Cork, Donegal, Tyrone and Kildare are having to shell out 35 euro each for stand-only tickets, unless they can avail of concessions for students, senior citizens or juveniles
It is understood that the GAA has informed county boards that the Hill will be opened only if the stands sell out first
But even if that happens, it will be no consolation to people who have already been forced to pay premium ticket prices in these cash-strapped times
There will be no standing room in GAA HQ on Bank Holiday Monday either but only because the Hill has already sold out for the classic pairing of Dublin versus Kerry which is expected to attract a maximum 82,300 crowd
Bit strange considering I've already bought two tickets for the top deck of the Cusack on Ticketmaster
I think this is an attempt to try and sell a few more tickets. It makes sense to sell tickets at 35 yoyos as opposed to tickets at 20.
Quote from: orangeman on July 30, 2009, 06:36:31 PM
I think this is an attempt to try and sell a few more tickets. It makes sense to sell tickets at 35 yoyos as opposed to tickets at 20.
Not in these recession times. If €20 tickets were available more people would buy them as opposed to €35 tickets.
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on July 30, 2009, 06:54:44 PM
Quote from: orangeman on July 30, 2009, 06:36:31 PM
I think this is an attempt to try and sell a few more tickets. It makes sense to sell tickets at 35 yoyos as opposed to tickets at 20.
Not in these recession times. If €20 tickets were available more people would buy them as opposed to €35 tickets.
Two games - people still like a seat plus students / OAPS get theirs for €15 with the discount.
Quote from: orangeman on July 30, 2009, 06:58:22 PM
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on July 30, 2009, 06:54:44 PM
Quote from: orangeman on July 30, 2009, 06:36:31 PM
I think this is an attempt to try and sell a few more tickets. It makes sense to sell tickets at 35 yoyos as opposed to tickets at 20.
Not in these recession times. If €20 tickets were available more people would buy them as opposed to €35 tickets.
Two games - people still like a seat plus students / OAPS get theirs for €15 with the discount.
Aren't the discounted tickets for the davin and cusack stands only?
It will still be €35 on the Monday, though its 2 games as well but a minor and senior instead of a senior quarter final double bill.
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 30, 2009, 07:14:40 PM
Quote from: orangeman on July 30, 2009, 06:58:22 PM
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on July 30, 2009, 06:54:44 PM
Quote from: orangeman on July 30, 2009, 06:36:31 PM
I think this is an attempt to try and sell a few more tickets. It makes sense to sell tickets at 35 yoyos as opposed to tickets at 20.
Not in these recession times. If €20 tickets were available more people would buy them as opposed to €35 tickets.
Two games - people still like a seat plus students / OAPS get theirs for €15 with the discount.
Aren't the discounted tickets for the davin and cusack stands only?
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Yep.
Tyrone Team Announced
30 Jul 2009
Comórtas: Craobh na hÉireann
Cluiche: Tír Eoghain v Cill Dara
Ionad: Pairc an Chrócaigh
Dáta: 02-08-09
1 Pascal McConnell An Baile Nua
2 P J Quinn Baile na Móna
3 Justin McMahon An Omaigh
4 Ryan McMenamin An Droim Mhór
5 Davy Harte Aireagal Chiaráin
6 Conor Gormley An Charraig Mhór
7 Philip Jordan An Mhaigh
8 Kevin Hughes Cill Íseal
9 Sean Cavanagh An Mhaigh
10 Brian Dooher (C) Clann na nGael
11 Tommy McGuigan Ard Bó
12 Joe McMahon An Omaigh
13 Martin Penrose Achadh Uí Arain
14 Stephen O'Neill Clann na nGael
15 Owen Mulligan An Chorra Chríochach
16 Jonathan Curran Oilean a'Ghuail
17 Dermot Carlin Coill an Chlochair
18 Aidan Cassidy Eochar
19 Colm Cavanagh An Mhaigh
20 Gareth Devlin An Chraobh
21 Niall Gormley Trí Leac
22 Ciarán Gourley An Charraig
23 Colin Holmes Na Clairsigh
24 Colm McCullagh An Droim Mhór
25 Michael McGee Loch Mhic Ruiairí
26 Enda McGinley Aireagal Chiaráin
27 Brian McGuigan Ard Bó
28 Raymond Mulgrew An Chorra Chríochach
29 Sean O'Neill An Droim Mhór
30 Martin Swift Coill an Chlochair
No surprises there.
that was quick FOSB.
No surprises is right.
Mickey has got into the habit of naming unchanged teams now for nearly 2 years bar the odd forced change.
I used to look forward to this time on Thurs nights.
Hope to see more of Brian Mac this time
Quick question... When driving to croker has anyone taken the port tunnel and then the east wall rd up to clonliffe rd? Just looking at google maps an it appears to be very direct. What's the parking like round that side of croke? I would usually come down the drumcondra rd but I doubt it'll be right an busy with Donegal and Tyrone traffic coming from the same direction.
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 30, 2009, 10:47:12 PM
Quick question... When driving to croker has anyone taken the port tunnel and then the east wall rd up to clonliffe rd? Just looking at google maps an it appears to be very direct. What's the parking like round that side of croke? I would usually come down the drumcondra rd but I doubt it'll be right an busy with Donegal and Tyrone traffic coming from the same direction.
You could have something there all right
og, if you're coming down the motorway you'll know how the volume of traffic is by the time you reach the tunnel entrance. But as you say, it's a straight run up the East Wall to Clonliffe Road if you do take the tunnel, and I believe it would be €4.00 on a Sunday.
FSB - any nerves?????????????
On footballing matters, same 15 named again (barring packie) is cause for comfort. Settled team has to be good news, plenty of great options on the bench if anyone having an off day. There must be serious pressure on the 1st 15 as once u lose your place it's dam near impossible to get it back! Hopefully we can see stevey produce the scoring goods on sunday, his performance back in January was sublime, will never forget that point he scored from the impossible angle down in the canal end, more of the same would be much appreciated SoN ;D
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 30, 2009, 10:53:36 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 30, 2009, 10:47:12 PM
Quick question... When driving to croker has anyone taken the port tunnel and then the east wall rd up to clonliffe rd? Just looking at google maps an it appears to be very direct. What's the parking like round that side of croke? I would usually come down the drumcondra rd bur I doubt it'll be right an busy with Donegal and Tyrone traffic coming from the same direction.
You could have something there all right og, if you're coming down the motorway you'll know how the volume of traffic is by the time you reach the tunnel entrance. But as you say, it's a straight run up the East Wall to Clonliffe Road if you do take the tunnel, and I believe it would be €4.00 on a Sunday.
Need to make a quick getaway après match so I think il get er a rattle an see what happens, will let you's know if it's a sucess
Quote from: Frank Casey on July 30, 2009, 10:56:06 PM
FSB - any nerves?????????????
A few Frank, this is a serious Kildare team, though I feel if we can pull out all the goodies, we'll prevail. We'll need to be right on the money though, anything less than max won't suffice.
Can't see ye losing - but can't see a cakewalk. I'd imagine biggest issue is focus............one day (game) at a time Sweet Jesus, that's all I'm asking from you.....................
Tyrone have made one change to the team that defeated Antrim in the final of the Ulster SFC for Sunday's All-Ireland quarter-final clash with Kildare.
Pascal McConnell replaces John Devine in the Red Hand goal after Devine was ruled out with a dislocated shoulder.
Devine sustained the injury in training and could miss the remainder of the Championship. Last year the goalkeeper heartbreakingly missed the All-Ireland final victory against Kerry after his father died on the eve of the big game.
Sean Cavanagh will again play at midfield as Enda McGinley remains sidelined with a hamstring injury.
Forwards Ryan Mellon and Niall Gormley have failed to recover from the same injury.
What's the score here ?
Nothing new really. Mellon has had a niggly injury for a few weeks now.
Quote from: ONeill on July 31, 2009, 12:13:16 AM
Nothing new really. Mellon has had a niggly injury for a few weeks now.
What about Mc Ginley ?
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=13130.msg605581#msg605581
Hopefully Mc Ginley is fit to come in at some stage.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 30, 2009, 10:53:36 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 30, 2009, 10:47:12 PM
Quick question... When driving to croker has anyone taken the port tunnel and then the east wall rd up to clonliffe rd? Just looking at google maps an it appears to be very direct. What's the parking like round that side of croke? I would usually come down the drumcondra rd but I doubt it'll be right an busy with Donegal and Tyrone traffic coming from the same direction.
You could have something there all right og, if you're coming down the motorway you'll know how the volume of traffic is by the time you reach the tunnel entrance. But as you say, it's a straight run up the East Wall to Clonliffe Road if you do take the tunnel, and I believe it would be €4.00 on a Sunday.
went that way for the first time going to U2 on monday night, would be easier to find somewere to park alright and if its really busy at the port tunnel end it prob is a bit quicker
Joe McMahon got engaged!
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 30, 2009, 11:02:41 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 30, 2009, 10:53:36 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 30, 2009, 10:47:12 PM
Quick question... When driving to croker has anyone taken the port tunnel and then the east wall rd up to clonliffe rd? Just looking at google maps an it appears to be very direct. What's the parking like round that side of croke? I would usually come down the drumcondra rd bur I doubt it'll be right an busy with Donegal and Tyrone traffic coming from the same direction.
You could have something there all right og, if you're coming down the motorway you'll know how the volume of traffic is by the time you reach the tunnel entrance. But as you say, it's a straight run up the East Wall to Clonliffe Road if you do take the tunnel, and I believe it would be €4.00 on a Sunday.
Need to make a quick getaway après match so I think il get er a rattle an see what happens, will let you's know if it's a sucess
I think with the new parking restrictions in around Drumcondra that the port tunnel & parking around Fairview would be a very wise idea
I think the tunnel is €3 at weekends but also you could cut across Collins Ave & come down the Malahide Rd & then park near Fairview if you know your way around.
The Kildare is supposed to be named after training tonight. Mikey Conway is definitely out and it is doubtful whether Éamonn Callaghan will be fit enough to start. It is hard to know how McGeeney will go about replacing Conway. The likeliest option is Chalky White coming in as a straight swap. Another possible scenario would be Mick Foley moving out of full-back to his natural position in the half-back line with either Aindriú MacLochlainn or Kevin O'Neill coming in at full-back. Kevin O'Neill is probably our best natural full-back but he broke his shoulder before the Offaly match and he has fallen down the pecking order since. I've been a critic of MacLochlainn in the past but I'm starting to think that he might just be effective against Tyrone. He's the type of sticky hoor who'll stick to his man like sh1t to a blanket. He might just be able to get under the skin of one of Tyrone's marquee forwards and put them off their game.
If Callaghan is fit to start at full-forward it would be a big boost. He showed his class when he came on against Wicklow - kicking two points, one with the right and one with the left, and setting up the goal for Alan Smith. If he's not fit to start either Ken Donnelly or Rob Kelly will come in.
Prediction time:
Tyrone V Kildare: draw
Donegal V Cork: Cork by 2
Kerry V Dublin: Kerry by 7
Quote from: rrhf on July 31, 2009, 02:16:47 PM
Prediction time:
Tyrone V Kildare: draw
Donegal V Cork: Cork by 2
Kerry V Dublin: Kerry by 7
Fair balls to ye but Jaysus I'd hate for those results to come true.
Prediction time:
Tyrone V Kildare: Tyr by 5
Donegal V Cork: Cork by 1
Kerry V Dublin: Jackeen heaven by 4
Tyrone
Donegal
Kerry
Tyrone v Kildare : Kildare - I just get that feeling
Donegal v Cork : Cork but after a hell of a battle
Kerry v Dublin : Dublin to finally come good and beat Kerry by 4 or 5
Tyrone by 4+
Cork by 1
Dublin by 10 ;D
Tyrone +4
Donegal +3
Dublin+4
Limerick Meath - Draw aet :o
Quote from: rrhf on July 31, 2009, 02:16:47 PM
Prediction time:
Tyrone V Kildare: draw
Donegal V Cork: Cork by 2
Kerry V Dublin: Kerry by 7
think it could be a draw as well
Tyrone v Kildare (Tyrone 2)
Donegal v Cork (Cork 4)
Dublin v Kerry (Dublin 32)
Are any of ye meeting in the pub before hand
Us Dublin based red handers are meeting in the Hill 16 pub at 1pm if you're about
Usually in the right hand side when you go in.
Not me Fuzzman. The last time only rrhf turned up. Anyway, off the drink for a while.
Zigathron how come ur off the drink for a wile lad :-\ ;)
Quote from: longball on July 31, 2009, 04:17:18 PM
Zigathron how come ur off the drink for a wile lad :-\ ;)
Scared....
Tyrone by 5+
Cork by 4+
Kerry by 2+
Quote from: ziggysego on July 31, 2009, 04:18:05 PM
Quote from: longball on July 31, 2009, 04:17:18 PM
Zigathron how come ur off the drink for a wile lad :-\ ;)
Scared....
Thought that was the reason. Stay off it for good now and only go on the lash when Greencastle seal promotion, or when Tyrone win the All ireland.
What subs do yous all think will be used on Sunday:
Sean ONeill
Brian McGuigan
Colly McCullagh
No doubt fecking Colly Cavanagh
Enda
Tyrone by 3
Cork by 8
Dublin by 4
Meath by 2 AET
Colm Cavanagh gets a run when big bro scores 5 points or more- it's in his contract
A video interview with Mickey Harte on the UTV website
http://u.tv/Sport/Harte-sets-out-Red-Hands-ambition/c9d2de12-aa06-40ae-a09b-1061e24a0b4f (http://u.tv/Sport/Harte-sets-out-Red-Hands-ambition/c9d2de12-aa06-40ae-a09b-1061e24a0b4f)
Quote from: longball on July 31, 2009, 04:24:54 PM
What subs do yous all think will be used on Sunday:
Sean ONeill
Brian McGuigan
Colly McCullagh
No doubt fecking Colly Cavanagh
Enda
I'd agree with those though maybe Gourley for Sean.
Quote from: ziggysego on July 31, 2009, 04:18:05 PM
Quote from: longball on July 31, 2009, 04:17:18 PM
Zigathron how come ur off the drink for a wile lad :-\ ;)
Scared....
Of who you'll wake up beside....??
Fancy O,neill 1st goalscorer??? :)
Quote from: Family guy on July 31, 2009, 10:19:38 PM
Fancy O,neill 1st goalscorer??? :)
[wonder whats the odds on him?/quote]
Paudie O'Neill 18/1 with PP ;)
Kildare team according to KFM - two changes with Chalky White in for Conway and Leper Callaghan in for Donnelly.
1. Tom Corley - Moorefield
2. Emmet Bolton - Eadestown
3. Hugh McGrillen - Celbridge
4. Mick Foley - Athy
5. Morgan O'Flaherty - Carbury
6. Brian Flanagan - Johnstownbridge
7. Gary White - Sarsfields
8. Daryl Flynn - Moorefield
9. Dermot Earley - Sarsfields
10. James Kavanagh - Ballymore
11. Pádraig O'Neill - St Laurences
12. Ronan Sweeney - Moorefield
13. Éamonn Callaghan - Naas
14. Alan Smith - Sarsfields
15. Johnny Doyle (c) - Allenwood
No real surprises there. Callaghan starting is a huge boost but there has to be doubts over whether he lasts the full 70 mins. Conway's distribution and playmaking ability will be missed but Chalky brings an aggresion and physicality that is needed to beat Tyrone. You could justify making further changes in the full-back line but if the management think that any of the other options aren't doing the business in training then you have to trust their judgement. I'd expect Bolton, Hughie and Mick to come out firing after the criticism they've received but if any of them are in trouble early on, we'll need to make changes fast. Tyrone will show no mercy in front of goal and we can't be as loose as we were in the last two matches. If we get a foothold in midfield, no reason to believe we can't with Dermot in such great form, our inside forwards can cause Mickey Harte a few headaches. Smith will put away any sniff of a goal chance and Johnny is due a big performance.
damian mccaul was in the squad the last day after a lengthy lay off but isnt in the subs for sunday. is he injured again? i recall he scored a great point against meath at the same stage 2 years ago.
Come on Kildare, give it everything, youve done us proud so far, if we are to go out lets go out in a blaze of glory..On The Lilywhites!
From today's Irish Times:
Too hot to be caught cold at this stage
ALL-IRELAND SFC QUARTER-FINAL TYRONE v KILDARE: KEITH DUGGAN talks to Derry manager Damian Cassidy who says even when you know what Tyrone are going to do, it is very difficult to prevent it
ALL IS calm, weirdly calm, in camp Tyrone. As the All-Ireland champions prepare for their first appearance in Croke Park since the novelty National League fixture against Dublin at the end of January, the most striking story about Tyrone is that there is no story.
Practically all of the hype has been directed at the high-octane exuberance with which Dublin reclaimed the Leinster title and the Big Fallout – or otherwise – in Kerry. All the while, Tyrone have been advancing stealthily with no alarms and no surprises.
Winning back-to-back All-Ireland titles is their stated objective. In 2004, their likelihood – and in truth, their interest – in achieving that ambition finished with the tragic death of Cormac McAnallen. After the 2005 success, a void was created by the retirement of Peter Canavan. His absence was always going to challenge the remaining Tyrone players but the following May, following Brian McGuigan's broken leg, they were pitched into an injury crisis that became so severe it seemed as though the Red Hand county was jinxed.
They bowed out of the All-Ireland playing in a gale-force wind against Mick O'Dwyer's Laois and by the looks on their faces, they were not all that sorry the season was over either. They knew there was no All-Ireland title beckoning that summer. The easy memory of that match – played on a Saturday evening in Portlaoise that felt and looked like a wild December – is that Tyrone fielded a badly-depleted team.
But despite the injuries – McGuigan, the key man in their All-Ireland run was obviously missing, so too were Brian Dooher, Stephen O'Neill and Conor Gormley – Tyrone were still able to select nine of the team who started last September's All-Ireland final. (That number would probably have been 10 but for the fact goalkeeper John Devine had to withdraw from the team on the eve of last year's final when his father passed away).
Since then, Tyrone have been successful in grooming Justin McMahon as a prototype modern full back, they have successfully remodelled Ryan McMenamin and/or Conor Gormley as centre backs, Enda McGinley has found his rightful place on the team as a rampaging midfielder and Tommy McGuigan has matured into a cutting-edge forward.
TYRONE WERE favourites to win this year's Ulster title and did so with the minimum of fuss. Their victories over Armagh, Derry and Antrim did not seem to exercise them unduly. But their passage to the quarter-finals has been so smooth it leaves them open to the risk of not being able to switch in to their unique brand, with a full-on defensive press switching automatically to total attacking football.
Last year, they improved incrementally through the qualifiers so that when presented with the glamour challenge of Dublin, they were primed to unleash a style of football no other team could live with. The big challenge for Tyrone this weekend is to raise their game as the occasion demands.
"If it was any other team apart from Tyrone, I would say that it left them at a disadvantage," says Damian Cassidy, the Derry manager. "But because it is Tyrone I find it difficult to imagine them being caught out in that manner. I suppose I have made no secret of the fact that I think they have been the best team in Ireland over the past five or six years.
"Obviously Kerry have claims in that regard as well but the bottom line is that when the teams have met in big games, Tyrone have been able to dismantle them.
"They have made it clear that they want to make their mark by winning consecutive All-Irelands. And if you look at their approach, they don't really bother with challenge games but they play in-house games and with the panel they have at their disposal, they can play full-on, intense, quality games.
"The strength in depth of their squad means that even the best players have to stay sharp and maintain their form to hold their place on the team. And this year, they have very few injury troubles. So when you put those things together, it is hard to see them being caught out. Maybe for the first 20 minutes against Kildare, they will have to adapt to the pace of the game but that will be it."
ALTHOUGH TYRONE ultimately beat Derry convincingly in the Ulster semi-final, it remains the key game of their summer to date. They held the Oak Leaf county to just seven points – a week later Derry went out and posted 3-16 against Monaghan.
The match was an eye-opener for Cassidy in his first year in charge, confirming what he already suspected to be the case: that in order to have a chance against Tyrone, you have to come into the match with all cylinders firing. Derry sabotaged their own chances, with Fergal Doherty missing with suspension and the impressive James Kielt absent after he was struck during a club match. Immediately, the percentage chance of a victory diminished.
But even when Cassidy ruminates on the way the game unfolded, he can see a few chinks in Tyrone's armour that his team were unable to exploit.
"There was a 15-minute spell after half-time when we dominated. We were down by 0-8 to 0-3 and we have six wides, four of which were definitely scoring chances. If we had taken those, I am not saying we would have won but we would have made it more difficult for Tyrone. Then Brian Dooher came on the field and immediately kicked a terrific point and that is when the opportunity was gone.
"The score was 0-10 to 0-6 with 12 minutes remaining and then Kevin McGuckin was sent off in ridiculous circumstances. And Tyrone pulled away from us.
"Of course, all of that is just me looking back at it with rose-tinted Derry glasses. The reality is that while other teams know what Tyrone are going to do, it is very difficult to prevent it and even more difficult to replicate it."
TYRONE ONLY have to look back as far as 2007, when they came into the All-Ireland series as quarter-finalists only to be beaten by Meath, to draw parallels with their current position, a comparison that Joe McMahon made during the week. Tyrone may have been caught cold on that occasion but Kildare have given plenty of advance warning of their potential and the presence of Kieran McGeeney in front of the Lilywhite dugout is bound to add a little spice to the pot.
Tyrone manager Mickey Harte has stated he cannot wait to get his team back into Croke Park – pointing out he had called for their first-round tie against Armagh to be played there. But more significant is the fact Tyrone have been playing well. The chief reason for their trouble-free season is they have not allowed any team to cause them trouble.
Only the training-ground injury that would appear to have ruled goalkeeper Devine out of the remainder of the championship has blighted their preparation for the All-Ireland series. Even without the services of the unlucky Devine, Harte has been able to call on the vastly experienced Pascal McConnel.
The expectation that Kildare will try to neutralise Tyrone using much the same tactics as the Armagh of McGeeney's era did may or may not hold true. The big problem, as Cassidy sees it, is that no matter how you set your stall out against Tyrone, they have ways to sidestep those traps.
As Kildare selector John Grimley put it, "One door shuts and another door opens".
"The success of any team is built on its half-back line and the strength of its midfield," says Cassidy. "Tyrone have, in Davy Harte and Philip Jordan, two attacking half backs who can take scores and midfielders who can score, as well as six free-scoring forwards. No other team can match that – they might have one scoring half back but not two.
"Against Antrim, Ryan McMenamin ended up following his man up the pitch and got a score himself and set up a few more. They have so many players now that are comfortable contributing to the attack that it makes it very difficult to stop them."
THE SUCCESS of the underage system in Tyrone would suggest they are set to dominate the landscape for several years to come, which is bad news for other Division One sides locked within the Ulster championship framework, let alone those counties with All-Ireland ambitions. They have replaced Kerry as the clear favourites for this year's title and so far, they have dealt with that expectation smoothly.
It could be that right now, at their best, Tyrone are all but unbeatable. The one chink of hope for other contenders is that sooner or later, the supreme vintage that came through in the 1997/'98 minor teams will reach the natural end of their time as peak intercounty footballers. Sooner or later, Tyrone will have to think about replacing those who have been central to their All-Ireland successes.
"It is only then we will see how it spins," says Cassidy. "And whether the coaching system extends the kind of form they have shown or whether it came down to a generation of great players emerging from the county at the same time."
Would worry about Kildare's half forward line. None of them are good defenders - probably facing the best attacking half back line of the modern era. While Sweeney and Co are all good going forward- wouldn't be so confident if the ball is turned over.
Dublin at the start of the year nearly beat Tyrone by dominating the middle third in the 2nd half. With Hughes back though Tyrone obviously havde a better midfield in that day. But for Kildare to beat Tyrone they must win 65% posession at midfield - anything less and Tyrone will win. But with Earley its the one area they could do well. Then again having watched Tyrone snuff out Mc keever- I'd even have reservations about that.
Maybe forgotten men like Dermot Carlin & Raymond Mulgrew will get a run-out.
Colm Cavanagh no way for this Sunday, he's had too many chances.
Quote from: clarshack on July 31, 2009, 11:51:31 PM
damian mccaul was in the squad the last day after a lengthy lay off but isnt in the subs for sunday. is he injured again? i recall he scored a great point against meath at the same stage 2 years ago.
I seem to recall Damian had seen little if any action that year and was sprung for the game against Meath. He was one of our better performers that day, scoring a good point and making some good forays forward.
Never heard about him being injured again.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 01, 2009, 01:25:36 PM
Maybe forgotten men like Dermot Carlin & Raymond Mulgrew will get a run-out.
Colm Cavanagh no way for this Sunday, he's had too many chances.
He must play very well for Moy, as he has never impressed me anytime he has appeared for the county team. Harte obviously sees something in him !
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 01, 2009, 01:25:36 PM
Maybe forgotten men like Dermot Carlin & Raymond Mulgrew will get a run-out.
Colm Cavanagh no way for this Sunday, he's had too many chances.
It's not really the time of year to be given forgotten men like the ones you mention a run out. It will be the tried and trusted subs that will be used but please God Colm Cavanagh will not be one of them. Has plenty of enthusiasm but don't think he offers as much as other subs.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 01, 2009, 12:00:31 PM
Would worry about Kildare's half forward line. None of them are good defenders - probably facing the best attacking half back line of the modern era. While Sweeney and Co are all good going forward- wouldn't be so confident if the ball is turned over.
Dublin at the start of the year nearly beat Tyrone by dominating the middle third in the 2nd half. With Hughes back though Tyrone obviously havde a better midfield in that day. But for Kildare to beat Tyrone they must win 65% posession at midfield - anything less and Tyrone will win. But with Earley its the one area they could do well. Then again having watched Tyrone snuff out Mc keever- I'd even have reservations about that.
Half-forward line is a concern alright Indy. If the Tyrone half-back line are allowed to bomb forward at will than they'll destroy us. I'd expect Kavanagh to switch with Éamonn Callaghan early on. Kavanagh played his best football against Wexford and Laois closer to goal and Callaghan has plenty of experience in defence so he'll be more effective tracking back. Paudie O'Neill has played very deep all year and he's hugely physical. He's excellent at dispossessing backs coming out with the ball but he lacks pace and that would be a worry up against someone like Philip Jordan. Roli Sweeney was caught out badly for Barry Cahill's goal in the LF and he has to be more alert to his defensive duties tomorrow. He will have a height advantage over whoever is marking him though so hopefully he will be effective under the kickouts.
In Spain at the moment and wondering where I might be able to see the games. Used to have RTE in the house here until last year but apparently the systen was completely cowboy and the whole thing collapsed. Local pubs, including Paddy pubs, did nt have tonights game and gettin anxious about tomorrow and Monday. I m close enough to Alicante or even Benidorm if anybody knows a pub that would have them. Name of the street would be great as I could throw it on the Garmin.
I think the one worry with kildare is their full back line as they were destroyed by alright full forwards agin Wicklow. As long as Dermot Earley can get the better of Cavanagh I think Kildare can sneak this. Kildare to win by 2 points
Quote from: Eastern_Pride on August 01, 2009, 09:51:55 PM
I think the one worry with kildare is their full back line as they were destroyed by alright full forwards agin Wicklow. As long as Dermot Earley can get the better of Cavanagh I think Kildare can sneak this. Kildare to win by 2 points
He'll out catch him maybe, but will he follow all his runs? Also I heard from a source that McGinley is ready to go, so we can expect to see him in action if needed!!
Good luck to Geezer and Big Paul!
Quote from: tyssam5 on August 02, 2009, 09:29:55 AM
Quote from: Eastern_Pride on August 01, 2009, 09:51:55 PM
I think the one worry with kildare is their full back line as they were destroyed by alright full forwards agin Wicklow. As long as Dermot Earley can get the better of Cavanagh I think Kildare can sneak this. Kildare to win by 2 points
He'll out catch him maybe, but will he follow all his runs? Also I heard from a source that McGinley is ready to go, so we can expect to see him in action if needed!!
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You can be sure that HUB will be on Dermot Early !
On the bus on the way in to town. Seems very quiet. Few Tyrone ones getting off the train now.
Dry warm day so I reckon Tyrone by 6 points as long as no Major injuries or sending offs
Quote from: moysider on August 01, 2009, 09:29:05 PM
In Spain at the moment and wondering where I might be able to see the games. Used to have RTE in the house here until last year but apparently the systen was completely cowboy and the whole thing collapsed. Local pubs, including Paddy pubs, did nt have tonights game and gettin anxious about tomorrow and Monday. I m close enough to Alicante or even Benidorm if anybody knows a pub that would have them. Name of the street would be great as I could throw it on the Garmin.
if you have internet access you can watch it here http://www.justin.tv/freeview/old
I think Kinneavey could fcuk this game up as he does with every other one he referees.
Was just going to say that
The only thing we'll hear all day is his f**king whistle
KIldare starting well. Not allowing Tyrone to settle.
Having to change a CB early won't help
Game on!
Tyrone totally opened up for that goal !
Peach of a move for the goal.
Go on Kildare, come on
Bang, bang, bang.
Tyrone are in big bother here, they look a good bit of the pace at the minute.
All Kildare so far even they are being put under a lot of pressure by Tyrone. Can they keep this up for the whole match? Tyrone wont panic but Kildare now 5 pts ahead!
I can see Kildare winning this one, and if not fighting all the way.... mad!
Cavanagh diving again to earn that free there >:(
Quote from: MadMayo on August 02, 2009, 04:29:28 PM
I can see Kildare winning this one, and if not fighting all the way.... mad!
You're right. I always thought Tyrone would be vulnerable at this stage as they haven't had a real hard game so far.
Cry-baby Cavanagh would make you sick with his rolling about.
One big problem is that a big part of Tyrone's game is pressure and turnovers. Kildare are too strong in the tackle to be beaten by that.
People like Cavanagh need to get the finger out.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on August 02, 2009, 04:30:41 PM
Cry-baby Cavanagh would make you sick with his rolling about.
aye I was thinking "get up ffs"
Still think tyrone will come good, but kildare are showing they're beatable!
Interesting game, both teams tackeling in 3's and 4's and tracking back, blanket defence all the way..... good stuff so far though
Too much experience in Tyrone to worry about a 4 point deficit at half-time.
All this stuff in the papers about Tyrone being near invincible and Kerry being on the wane is over the top in my opinion. This time last year things were the other way around and it didn't work out like everybody thought.
Yer man McGrillen is a bombscare again. I'd like Kildare to win but he's coughing up every ball that comes his way.
Cavanagh could get hurt throwing himself to ground like that.
They will get Whyte sent off.
good game so far, kildare are giving it a lash which after donegal is good to see. tyrone have way to much craft to get caught today tho
Cracking game. Whyte and the Kildare fullback are horses of men. Ref is giving Kildare sod all imo. Jeez Whyte really put McMenamin on his hole to make the goal.
Still think Tyrone will win this one...... Kildare cannot imo keep up this level of legtitimate aggression and intensity.
Fascinating contest here. Very significant that Tyrone are only four points down having been on the back foot throughout the first half. No doubt that Kildare are good enough to beat them, though, if they can hold the nerve in the last ten minutes. All that beat them against Dublin was lack of experience of how to win big games.
Quote from: bcarrier on August 02, 2009, 04:40:21 PM
Cavanagh could get hurt throwing himself to ground like that.
No danger, he must practice his technique with certain present and past colleagues.
Quote from: magickingdom on August 02, 2009, 04:41:57 PM
good game so far, kildare are giving it a lash which after donegal is good to see. tyrone have way to much craft to get caught today tho
brave call there MK, 4 down at ht and you think they're not in bother? We'll see, but I don't think kildare will sit back and allow tyrone to just up the gears and walk away with it.
Think this will be a very close one. Watching the replay of the goal - superb. Bound to be a comeback from Tyrone though. Think they need to get cavanagh into the game more - maybe move him into the forwards and bring on someone in midfield. Jordan seems to getting involved in niggly incident unnecessarily. Couple of fine points from Stephen O'Neill but the game seems to be passing by Mulligan.
Pitch not fit for hurling though. Looks a bit ropey in patches.
Tyrone by 2.
I'd say tyrone as well, I expect them to get on top in the second half, I dont think Kildare can keep up the intensity or have the confidence to see it out.
That said, I wont mind if I'm wrong.
Good game - Kildare showing that they have the forwards to hurt teams and maybe kicking 18 points against Dublin wasn't due to bad defending!!!! Cavanagh showing that while a great footballer he isn't a good midfielder as he struggles badly to win primary posession...
Should be a great 2nd half. Expect Tyrone to make a big impact now on the game!
How poor has Cavanagh been ?
Tell you what - Penrose is a very underrated player. May not score too much but he's always out in front.
Cavanagh down for treatment again there ::)
Is he made of glass or what?
Kildare need to build on that or Tyrone will ruin them in the next twenty mins.
Tyrone need to start scoring frees or Kildare could scrape this with less possession...
S O 'Neill pulling it out of the fire for Tyrone!
Waiting for Tyrone people to tell me Cavanagh has played well..
can someone post the score?
can't get justintv to work
16 pts to 1 -11 - Tyrone ahead. Why do Canning and Carney refer to the referee as gaeilge?
1 f**king min injury time ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Good game, too many wides for kildare in the end.
::)
over tyrone won 16 to 1.11
another timekeeping farce.
GAME OVER! good test for Tyrone - will do them the world of good. Great game - probably one of the best so far this year.
if Kildare had to keep the head in the last 5 minutes and knock over some of those chances....
Quote from: comethekingdom on August 02, 2009, 05:29:56 PM
16 pts to 1 -11 - Tyrone ahead. Why do Canning and Carney refer to the referee as gaeilge?
he changed his name there a year or so ago
kildare had plenty chances in the last few minutes but tyrone will come on from this game. cork on the other hand had a useless training session
Quote from: Bogball XV on August 02, 2009, 05:32:22 PM
1 f**king min injury time ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Sure about 1 minute was wasted by itself near the end there over the 45.
Quote from: Bogball XV on August 02, 2009, 05:34:18 PM
Quote from: comethekingdom on August 02, 2009, 05:29:56 PM
16 pts to 1 -11 - Tyrone ahead. Why do Canning and Carney refer to the referee as gaeilge?
he changed his name there a year or so ago
And his county...unfortunately, he's still an awful ref.
1 minute! What a joke
Quote from: DennistheMenace on August 02, 2009, 05:24:14 PM
Waiting for Tyrone people to tell me Cavanagh has played well..
Only saw second half but Cavanagh played well in that period. Directly set up at least 2 scores after winning the ball and driving forward with it.
Quote from: Bogball XV on August 02, 2009, 05:34:18 PM
Quote from: comethekingdom on August 02, 2009, 05:29:56 PM
16 pts to 1 -11 - Tyrone ahead. Why do Canning and Carney refer to the referee as gaeilge?
he changed his name there a year or so ago
Why? Was he being targeted or something?
Quote from: Rav67 on August 02, 2009, 05:37:15 PM
Quote from: DennistheMenace on August 02, 2009, 05:24:14 PM
Waiting for Tyrone people to tell me Cavanagh has played well..
Only saw second half but Cavanagh played well in that period. Directly set up at least 2 scores after winning the ball and driving forward with it.
:D :D
He was bloody woeful, throughout, again yet I'm waiting for his name to appear on the All-Star nominations due to one good game against Antrim.
What a shambolic performance. By the ref of course. There were frees for Kildare that he let play on, frees for Tyrone that weren't frees at all and that one minute at the end was an insult to timekeepers.
Hope Cork go on and demolish this dirty, fouling, unable-to-catch-clean-ball-but-are-lucky-at-every-break Tyrone team.
One minute injury time was scandalous. The sooner time keeping is taken away from those muppets the better.
Kildare must frustrate the hell out of their supporters, they had the winning of that game but for the amount of stupid fumbling and idiotic shot selection in the last 5 minutes. Their minors did the exact same yesterday.
Quote from: AFS on August 02, 2009, 05:39:51 PM
One minute injury time was scandalous. The sooner time keeping is taken away from those muppets the better.
Kildare must frustrate the hell out of their supporters, they had the winning of that game but for the amount of stupid fumbling and idiotic shot selection in the last 5 minutes. Their minors did the exact same yesterday.
Couldn't agree more. It's getting out of hand this summer.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on August 02, 2009, 04:49:39 PM
Tyrone by 2.
Good man Tony.
The ref could have played an extra ten minutes and Kildare still wouldn't have closed it out. They had shit in their shorts at that stage.
Quote from: comethekingdom on August 02, 2009, 05:39:10 PM
Quote from: Bogball XV on August 02, 2009, 05:34:18 PM
Quote from: comethekingdom on August 02, 2009, 05:29:56 PM
16 pts to 1 -11 - Tyrone ahead. Why do Canning and Carney refer to the referee as gaeilge?
he changed his name there a year or so ago
Why? Was he being targeted or something?
might have to go for another identity again after this, we should send him on a copy of Face Off or something.
Kildare kicked themselves out of it there at the end, the injury time was a joke as normal, especially the 45 that was given - it wasn't a 45 in the first place, it probably wasn't a line ball either, as Doyle kept the ball in, but went out himself.
Tyrone's discipline and composure is commendable. They never looked like losing. But some of the cynical off the ball fouls on Dermot Earley left a bad taste in my mouth. Especially by such a good footballer as Cavanagh.
Quote from: Bogball XV on August 02, 2009, 05:34:18 PM
Quote from: comethekingdom on August 02, 2009, 05:29:56 PM
16 pts to 1 -11 - Tyrone ahead. Why do Canning and Carney refer to the referee as gaeilge?
he changed his name there a year or so ago
He'd want to change another few things as well . . .
Quote from: DennistheMenace on August 02, 2009, 05:39:18 PM
Quote from: Rav67 on August 02, 2009, 05:37:15 PM
Quote from: DennistheMenace on August 02, 2009, 05:24:14 PM
Waiting for Tyrone people to tell me Cavanagh has played well..
Only saw second half but Cavanagh played well in that period. Directly set up at least 2 scores after winning the ball and driving forward with it.
:D :D
He was bloody woeful, throughout, again yet I'm waiting for his name to appear on the All-Star nominations due to one good game against Antrim.
Cavanagh was poor today in fairness but he's still a great footballer - he's probably best suited in the inside line . He'll probably move back out there if McGinley comes back.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 02, 2009, 05:39:27 PM
What a shambolic performance. By the ref of course. There were frees for Kildare that he let play on, frees for Tyrone that weren't frees at all and that one minute at the end was an insult to timekeepers.
Hope Cork go on and demolish this dirty, fouling, unable-to-catch-clean-ball-but-are-lucky-at-every-break Tyrone team.
Oh no, despite beating Kildare today I'd hope that Tyrone see off the spineless, we'll-go-on-strike-with-the-hurlers-when-we-finish-the-league-and-we-get-our-all-expenses-paid-holiday-from-the-CCB, and the unable-to-beat-Kerry-when-it-really-matters Cork team.
Good game it must be said, but it reminded me so much of our game against Kerry. Like ourselves, Kildare rattled Tyrone in the first half, but an early scoring burst in the second got Tyrone back into form and in front, and like ourselves Kildare didn't fall away and kept in contention, but just couldn't get level late on, and kicked away great chances and lost a game which could have been won. Only thing missing was a dire penalty. This will stand to Tyrone I'd say, much more than the turkey-shoot for Cork.
Coming from Sligo I'd have a bit of humility if I was you. ;) instead of running down players whose arses you're not fit to lick.
The off the ball pulling and accidently knocking Kildare lads down was scandalous. Kildare can be proud of their efforts this season but need to improve in a number of quarters before they can hope to go higher.
Cork will win the Semi ( the real Final ??) on today's evidence.
1 minute was madness,kildare made 4 subs second half for a start and tyrone 2,thats more than a min on its own
Quote from: ArmaghGAAforum on August 02, 2009, 02:06:21 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 01, 2009, 09:29:05 PM
In Spain at the moment and wondering where I might be able to see the games. Used to have RTE in the house here until last year but apparently the systen was completely cowboy and the whole thing collapsed. Local pubs, including Paddy pubs, did nt have tonights game and gettin anxious about tomorrow and Monday. I m close enough to Alicante or even Benidorm if anybody knows a pub that would have them. Name of the street would be great as I could throw it on the Garmin.
if you have internet access you can watch it here http://www.justin.tv/freeview/old
cheers. thanks for that ´Forum.
Rossfan there was no more pulling and dragging on one side than there was on the other.
I lost count of the number of times Tyrone lads accidently managed to get in the way/fall down on Kildare lads in the second half. Funnily enough it always seemed to be the kildare man wh o was about to run into space to get a pass ::)
Very interesting game. Ref favoured Tyrone by and large imo. We saw the spiteful Tyrone today..... goading, smirking, face slapping, diving,cynical fouling I'm afraid.The reason while I admire them I cannot warm to them.
Still they are the team to beat this year but Their game v Cork will be fascinating.
A pleasure always in watching John Doyle play....... imo the master at getting the hard scores.
Quote from: bigfrank on August 02, 2009, 05:52:43 PM
1 minute was madness,kildare made 4 subs second half for a start and tyrone 2,thats more than a min on its own
FFS it took that eejit Kinneavey more than a minute to figure out if he should award a 45 with three or four minutes to go. Should have been at least 3 minutes, and probably more considering all the substitutions and injuries - at least another minute was wasted while the Kildare #20 was being treated.
fogot bout the 45 debate,all this added up to at least 3 mins and im a tyrone fan!!! Still dont believe kildare had the belief of the players to draw that game but at least give them the chance
Quote from: Canalman on August 02, 2009, 06:01:06 PM
Very interesting game. Ref favoured Tyrone by and large imo. We saw the spiteful Tyrone today..... goading, smirking, face slapping, diving,cynical fouling I'm afraid.The reason while I admire them I cannot warm to them.
Still they are the team to beat this year but Their game v Cork will be fascinating.
A pleasure always in watching John Doyle play....... imo the master at getting the hard scores.
I agree with everything there. Conor Gormley was a particular master of the dark arts today. Not pleasant but I guess we'll be told nice guys finish last. Doyle was good and Earley tried everything possible to drive his team on but the way Earley was cynically stopped so many times in the second half is the main reason I find it hard to warm to Tyrone. They are a class act though in the sense that they show so much control and so many of their players are so accomplished. Conor Gormley and Justin McMahon made two huge contributions to attacking and they are not a team who you can stop by cutting off two or three players. They are so well rounded.
Quote from: Canalman on August 02, 2009, 06:01:06 PM
Very interesting game. Ref favoured Tyrone by and large imo. We saw the spiteful Tyrone today..... goading, smirking, face slapping, diving,cynical fouling I'm afraid.The reason while I admire them I cannot warm to them.
Still they are the team to beat this year but Their game v Cork will be fascinating.
A pleasure always in watching John Doyle play....... imo the master at getting the hard scores.
I.e. Conor Gormley
and all the commentators have to say is "...and Gormley is enjoying himself"
::)
Quote from: Canalman on August 02, 2009, 06:01:06 PM
Very interesting game. Ref favoured Tyrone by and large imo. We saw the spiteful Tyrone today..... goading, smirking, face slapping, diving,cynical fouling I'm afraid.The reason while I admire them I cannot warm to them.
Still they are the team to beat this year but Their game v Cork will be fascinating.
A pleasure always in watching John Doyle play....... imo the master at getting the hard scores.
Don't agree with that comment at all
Cuteness is the difference between the top teams and the rest. They play the ref and the situation push the boundaries of the rules a bit like KK.
Have to admire, its a skill in itself although I wouldnt mind gormley get that smile wiped off his face. In fairness to the ref thought he was fair enough bar the time keeping and a few dodgy tackles.
Have to say this Championship has been one the best in living memory, never seen so many top teams getting pushed to the pin of their collar. Yes there were a few exceptions.
Did anyone else hear Ger Canning praising Philip Jordan for the wonderful block against Armagh in the 2002 All Ireland Final :-\
Kildare needed Alan Smith to step up to the plate today.
His major weakness is his lack of a left peg.
He kept having to stop and try and turn on to his right foot.
Cost Kildare 2/3 points in the 1st half.
Does anyone remember Father Finton Fay from Father Ted? He was the really old priest that talked like a monkey but everyone could understand what he was saying anyway. He also wasn't ever allowed to look at his reflection because he didn't know he was a priest.
Well anyway...
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41061000/jpg/_41061670_pgdoohercooper.jpg)
You can see McGeeney instilling more of that in Kildare too though.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 02, 2009, 05:39:27 PM
What a shambolic performance. By the ref of course. There were frees for Kildare that he let play on, frees for Tyrone that weren't frees at all and that one minute at the end was an insult to timekeepers.
Hope Cork go on and demolish this dirty, fouling, unable-to-catch-clean-ball-but-are-lucky-at-every-break Tyrone team.
quit crying u baby >:( what a bitter , pathetic rant, referee was poor, but in general, clowns like u have no place on this forum >:(
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 02, 2009, 06:22:23 PM
Did anyone else hear Ger Canning praising Philip Jordan for the wonderful block against Armagh in the 2002 All Ireland Final :-\
He started that sentence by saying 'and its Ricey to Philip Jordan'. I hate that nickname shite.
Quote from: cadhlancian on August 02, 2009, 06:36:43 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 02, 2009, 05:39:27 PM
What a shambolic performance. By the ref of course. There were frees for Kildare that he let play on, frees for Tyrone that weren't frees at all and that one minute at the end was an insult to timekeepers.
Hope Cork go on and demolish this dirty, fouling, unable-to-catch-clean-ball-but-are-lucky-at-every-break Tyrone team.
quit crying u baby >:( what a bitter , pathetic rant, referee was poor, but in general, clowns like u have no place on this forum >:(
So says one of the most irrational and annoying posters on the board ::)
Quote from: slievegullion on August 02, 2009, 06:23:30 PM
Does anyone remember Father Finton Fay from Father Ted? He was the really old priest that talked like a monkey but everyone could understand what he was saying anyway. He also wasn't ever allowed to look at his reflection because he didn't know he was a priest.
Well anyway...
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41061000/jpg/_41061670_pgdoohercooper.jpg)
:D ;D
Fantastic spot SG!
At Jack's funeral - "a woo-hoo-ah-ah" Ted: "one in New Zealand and a sister in South Africa"
Ever so slighty pissed cause working today so i could not make match. All i can say we won
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on August 02, 2009, 06:38:05 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on August 02, 2009, 06:36:43 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 02, 2009, 05:39:27 PM
What a shambolic performance. By the ref of course. There were frees for Kildare that he let play on, frees for Tyrone that weren't frees at all and that one minute at the end was an insult to timekeepers.
Hope Cork go on and demolish this dirty, fouling, unable-to-catch-clean-ball-but-are-lucky-at-every-break Tyrone team.
quit crying u baby >:( what a bitter , pathetic rant, referee was poor, but in general, clowns like u have no place on this forum >:(
So says one of the most irrational and annoying posters on the board ::)
excuse me? I post very little actually, and most of them are just starting thread titles, but please enlighten me with whats annoying to you?
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on August 02, 2009, 06:37:15 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 02, 2009, 06:22:23 PM
Did anyone else hear Ger Canning praising Philip Jordan for the wonderful block against Armagh in the 2002 All Ireland Final :-\
He started that sentence by saying 'and its Ricey to Philip Jordan'. I hate that nickname shite.
aye, heard that, also heard twice over the past few days how tyrone struggle at the quarter-final stage, after all, Mayo should have beaten them in it last year ??? All the RTE commentators really grate me, the absolute tripe and shite they come out with, I don't mind the analysts or co-commentators so much.
Just had a quick flick through the comments so far, and think I watched the wrong game. I noticed very little of the 'dark arts' today to be honest. Definately can't phanthom the criticism of Gormley. Twice he was pushed, pulled or whatever by a Kildare man, and twice he turned around and smiled at his opponents.
I think that's the perfect response. Certainly better than mssrs Galvin and co who would turn round and strike, snarl or whatever else takes their fancy.
Agree re Gormley, can't see the issue.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on August 02, 2009, 06:38:05 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on August 02, 2009, 06:36:43 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 02, 2009, 05:39:27 PM
What a shambolic performance. By the ref of course. There were frees for Kildare that he let play on, frees for Tyrone that weren't frees at all and that one minute at the end was an insult to timekeepers.
Hope Cork go on and demolish this dirty, fouling, unable-to-catch-clean-ball-but-are-lucky-at-every-break Tyrone team.
quit crying u baby >:( what a bitter , pathetic rant, referee was poor, but in general, clowns like u have no place on this forum >:(
So says one of the most irrational and annoying posters on the board ::)
In fairness there aren't many, even in my native Derry, who hate Tyrone like I do.
But you have to hand it to them. They are living proof of the argument that top level sport is all about the top two inches. They are tough, resilient, and very, very smart. They never panic. They don't have to play well, they don't even have to be more talented than the team they are playing against (although it's rare that they aren't). They just refuse to lose, they carry the hallmarks of all of the great sports teams I've seen in my lifetime. Jordan's Bulls, The great Milan teams, the Munster Rugby team.
Normal service will resume after this post.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on August 02, 2009, 06:47:30 PM
Just had a quick flick through the comments so far, and think I watched the wrong game. I noticed very little of the 'dark arts' today to be honest. Definately can't phanthom the criticism of Gormley. Twice he was pushed, pulled or whatever by a Kildare man, and twice he turned around and smiled at his opponents.
I think that's the perfect response. Certainly better than mssrs Galvin and co who would turn round and strike, snarl or whatever else takes their fancy.
Change smile for taunt. He doesn't start smiling until Tyrone are ahead!
But it's another example of how Tyrone leave no stone unturned. Get in your mans head, make him doubt himself.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on August 02, 2009, 06:47:30 PM
Just had a quick flick through the comments so far, and think I watched the wrong game. I noticed very little of the 'dark arts' today to be honest. Definately can't phanthom the criticism of Gormley. Twice he was pushed, pulled or whatever by a Kildare man, and twice he turned around and smiled at his opponents.
I think that's the perfect response. Certainly better than mssrs Galvin and co who would turn round and strike, snarl or whatever else takes their fancy.
I think both times he won his free and put on that stupid grin of his which was simply to provoke and wind up his opponent. It's downright stupid and just reflects badly on him because it makes him look like a c**k.
ffs now we are lambasting players who smile at their opponent, catch a grip folks.
Quote from: DennistheMenace on August 02, 2009, 06:49:13 PM
Agree re Gormley, can't see the issue.
The issue is Tyrone are a successful team and most (but thankfully not all) non-Tyrone supporters just can't accept this and instead looks for reasons to criticise them and when the reasons are not there simply invent them.
Who was that bollocks in the yellow bib doing all running for kildare? Every break in play he was across the field like a rocket shouting at everyone he passed. Mickey moynagh wasn't just quite as active
Quote from: Rossfan on August 02, 2009, 06:00:52 PM
I lost count of the number of times Tyrone lads accidently managed to get in the way/fall down on Kildare lads in the second half. Funnily enough it always seemed to be the kildare man wh o was about to run into space to get a pass ::)
I only saw the game on TV, seemed to me like Tyrone runners were getting dragged down a lot in the middle of the 2nd half in the corner of my screen. It seemed to remind me of a certain team that play in orange that the coach of Kildare once played for! Ref wasn't interested in doing anything about it, so the players are going to do it.
In fairness to Geezer though he had Kildare really well prepared, the defensive work the like of Doyle put in was immense. Also Tyrone made Kildare go backwards a lot in the first half, but they didn't panic and then played the ball over their HB line and the Tyrone pressuring players into the space. Didn't work so well for the them in the 2nd half when Tyrone added the extra 10% to the work-rate.
Ref was inconsistent on a lot of stuff and would agree about the time at the end. But either team losing that game could have no complaints they both shot enough wides to make the difference.
Was great to see Justy getting that point at the end just after O'Neill (Sean) missed one that he would normally dispatch.
Very pleasing effort to turn it around and show the interest was there this year. Will take a better performance to beat Cork. Need to have a look at the Munster final as Limerick must have been doing something right.
Oh and some of the anti-Tyrone BS being posted is cringe-worthy stuff, get over your jealousy lads! If you didn't enjoy that game there's something wrong with you.
Quote from: DennistheMenace on August 02, 2009, 07:00:08 PM
ffs now we are lambasting players who smile at their opponent, catch a grip folks.
No, we're criticising players who goad their opponents.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 02, 2009, 07:13:05 PM
Quote from: DennistheMenace on August 02, 2009, 07:00:08 PM
ffs now we are lambasting players who smile at their opponent, catch a grip folks.
No, we're criticising players who goad their opponents.
More fool them if they take the 'goading' of a cheeky smile..
Can't believe I'm actually sticking up for a Tyrone player but honestly this is the ridiculous.
Quote from: DennistheMenace on August 02, 2009, 07:15:25 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 02, 2009, 07:13:05 PM
Quote from: DennistheMenace on August 02, 2009, 07:00:08 PM
ffs now we are lambasting players who smile at their opponent, catch a grip folks.
No, we're criticising players who goad their opponents.
More fool them if they take the 'goading' of a cheeky smile..
Can't believe I'm actually sticking up for a Tyrone player but honestly this is the ridiculous.
true, and I dont think it's a big deal really, just hateful to see.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 02, 2009, 07:13:05 PM
Quote from: DennistheMenace on August 02, 2009, 07:00:08 PM
ffs now we are lambasting players who smile at their opponent, catch a grip folks.
No, we're criticising players who goad their opponents.
It would seem then that you'll just about have to criticise every player that plays at county level.
Lads, anyone esle think that Philly Jordan was very poor today, they took off PJ quinn to make room for sean O'Neill , when Jordan should have walked, moved him off Kavanagh onto Doyle who was out in front of him by at least 5 yards
Quote from: north down on August 02, 2009, 07:18:16 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 02, 2009, 07:13:05 PM
Quote from: DennistheMenace on August 02, 2009, 07:00:08 PM
ffs now we are lambasting players who smile at their opponent, catch a grip folks.
No, we're criticising players who goad their opponents.
It would seem then that you'll just about have to criticise every player that plays at county level.
Well, no.
Quote from: cadhlancian on August 02, 2009, 07:18:28 PM
Lads, anyone esle think that Philly Jordan was very poor today, they took off PJ quinn to make room for sean O'Neill , when Jordan should have walked, moved him off Kavanagh onto Doyle who was out in front of him by at least 5 yards
You could have a point there, but we'll allow Jordan one quiet game? I thought it was a good move to bring Sean O'Neill on for the last ten. He offers more going forward than PJ, which is useful as the Kildare forwards tired. He should have got his point too, before Justy scored. Watching there today, one would think B McGuigan would be handy corner back!!
Quote from: tyssam5 on August 02, 2009, 07:22:31 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on August 02, 2009, 07:18:28 PM
Lads, anyone esle think that Philly Jordan was very poor today, they took off PJ quinn to make room for sean O'Neill , when Jordan should have walked, moved him off Kavanagh onto Doyle who was out in front of him by at least 5 yards
You could have a point there, but we'll allow Jordan one quiet game? I thought it was a good move to bring Sean O'Neill on for the last ten. He offers more going forward than PJ, which is useful as the Kildare forwards tired. He should have got his point too, before Justy scored. Watching there today, one would think B McGuigan would be handy corner back!!
Brian is going to be pushing for a semifinal place, possibly at the expense of his brother! :o would be checking the food for a few weeks now in the McGuigan house ;D
Quote from: cadhlancian on August 02, 2009, 07:18:28 PM
Lads, anyone esle think that Philly Jordan was very poor today, they took off PJ quinn to make room for sean O'Neill , when Jordan should have walked, moved him off Kavanagh onto Doyle who was out in front of him by at least 5 yards
I thought both Jordan and Davy Harte were poor today. Thought Conor Gormley was immense though
As a Down Man I cant believe the begrudgery towards Tyrone on this thread.in pure fotball terms they came out and won he game for themselves in the second half with their real leaders coming to the fore. This nonsense about them being cynical and peractising dark arts is a load of bollix. There was as much of the blocking, dragging etc form Kildare.
The only down side for me today is how that w****r Kinneavey gets such big games
Quote from: cadhlancian on August 02, 2009, 07:18:28 PM
Lads, anyone esle think that Philly Jordan was very poor today, they took off PJ quinn to make room for sean O'Neill , when Jordan should have walked, moved him off Kavanagh onto Doyle who was out in front of him by at least 5 yards
Yes I'd agree with the comment on Jordan, def not one of his better days, V. laboured looking, carrying an injury perhaps?
Was also quite surprised to see Davey isolated on Doyle for so much of that game today, obviously a tactic of McGeeney's but a tactic
I would have expected Mickey to counter a whole lot sooner.
All in all a good result but a serious amount of work to be done in the next 3 weeks, midfield were roasted for the better part of the 70 minutes
and only difference being unlike kildare, Cork will have the forwards to punish us on the scoreboard with so much possession, Donegal were atrocious today
in fairness and helped Cork to no end look as good as they were!
Besides the win, the only positive I can take from the game is that Tyrone will have taken an awful lot more away from their game than Cork did
And yes some of the shite out of the usual suspects above is nothing short of Face in palm type stuff...change the record and wise up FFS ::)
Quote from: norabeag on August 02, 2009, 07:35:54 PM
As a Down Man I cant believe the begrudgery towards Tyrone on this thread.in pure fotball terms they came out and won he game for themselves in the second half with their real leaders coming to the fore. This nonsense about them being cynical and peractising dark arts is a load of bollix. There was as much of the blocking, dragging etc form Kildare.
The only down side for me today is how that w****r Kinneavey gets such big games
Would totally agree ith all of this.
Quote from: norabeag on August 02, 2009, 07:35:54 PM
As a Down Man I cant believe the begrudgery towards Tyrone on this thread.in pure fotball terms they came out and won he game for themselves in the second half with their real leaders coming to the fore. This nonsense about them being cynical and peractising dark arts is a load of bollix. There was as much of the blocking, dragging etc form Kildare.
The only down side for me today is how that w****r Kinneavey gets such big games
Whatever ! at the end of the day the amount of Shots we missed on goal was a joke, fair dues to Tyrone the went for the points and got them...... if we done so an got the points we would have got it.
All in all Kildare played a hellava game, fair dues, C'mon the lilliewhites proud of yis lads !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: norabeag on August 02, 2009, 07:35:54 PM
As a Down Man I cant believe the begrudgery towards Tyrone on this thread.in pure fotball terms they came out and won he game for themselves in the second half with their real leaders coming to the fore. This nonsense about them being cynical and peractising dark arts is a load of bollix. There was as much of the blocking, dragging etc form Kildare.
The only down side for me today is how that w****r Kinneavey gets such big games
totally agree, the jealousy and begrudgery is something you would slap your child for, get over yourselves....
the game of the year in my book, ..... a joy to watch, two superb footballing sides.
Thought that was a great game today, didn't think ther was too much to complain about either team's behaviour though it may have been different if you have been at game as you can see much more of the off-the-ball stuff than you can on TV. You have to hand it to tyrone, when the chips were down at halftime they produced the goods, 6 points unanswered. It'll be a great game between them and Cork hopefully.
Gormley was good as was McMenamim and i thought Harte was good when attacking. Can't defend to save his life though. Same goes for Jordan, he was on the back foot today and was completely exposed. Kavanagh and Doyle were great for Kildare as was there midfield. Tyrone have serious problems here but the way they adapted in the 2nd half was impressive. O'Neill, Dooher, Penrose and Mulligan esp 2nd half were good also.
Kinneavy is a complete clown, in this and only in this is he consistent.
Quote from: norabeag on August 02, 2009, 07:35:54 PMThe only down side for me today is how that w****r Kinneavey gets such big games
It's part of the gaa's drive to promote the irish language, he may not be able to tell time, but he can certainly play the political game ;)
Quote from: kickingmule on August 02, 2009, 07:54:32 PM
Quote from: norabeag on August 02, 2009, 07:35:54 PM
As a Down Man I cant believe the begrudgery towards Tyrone on this thread.in pure fotball terms they came out and won he game for themselves in the second half with their real leaders coming to the fore. This nonsense about them being cynical and peractising dark arts is a load of bollix. There was as much of the blocking, dragging etc form Kildare.
The only down side for me today is how that w****r Kinneavey gets such big games
totally agree, the jealousy and begrudgery is something you would slap your child for, get over yourselves....
the game of the year in my book, ..... a joy to watch, two superb footballing sides.
Great game indeed.
I am absolutly stunned that people find minute issues in the game in order to gave a good scratch at their begrudgery scabs.
Can't say I noticed the ref much except he did his job quietly and both teams got on with it.
He calmly dealt with any likely bother and the game was all the better for his approach.
Both teams were superb, it was an absolute joy to watch a match played at this top competitive level.
Dooher again was magnificent, what a footballer.
Yeah Great game - hate to say it - but Tyrone played some second half. When the chips where down they responded. Great point by McMahon. Would loved to have heard what harte said at half time.
Quote from: cadhlancian on August 02, 2009, 07:18:28 PM
Lads, anyone esle think that Philly Jordan was very poor today, they took off PJ quinn to make room for sean O'Neill , when Jordan should have walked, moved him off Kavanagh onto Doyle who was out in front of him by at least 5 yards
Jordan is a fantastic player but thought he would have been subbed today. Usually is very relialble but was poor today and was surprised that PJ walked before Jordan.
What was Kinneavy doing patting sean cavanagh on the arse ?
Brian McGuigan and Dooher were both superb for Tyrone.
Gormley is guilty as charged.
Kildare supporters did themselves no credit with the booing and jeering to put off Tyrone players took a free... it was not like it was a few of them.. :-\
Why is this called face touching ?
Quote from: DennistheMenace on August 02, 2009, 09:12:17 PM
Why is this called face touching ?
Ah it's just an obsession thing...
QuoteWhatever ! at the end of the day the amount of Shots we missed on goal was a joke, fair dues to Tyrone the went for the points and got them...... if we done so an got the points we would have got it.
I would hardly say Tyrone got everything they went for, Mulligan, O'neil and Mcguigan x 3 all missed what seemed like handy enough free's and in the first half tyrone kicked at least 4 balls into the keepers hands. Only home from the game so i'm not sure what the stats showed but to me it seems like Tyrone kicked alot of wides??
Happy with the result, thought we had a great second half. O'neill point in the first half out near the end line up super, reminded me of the one against the dubs in the league.
Quote from: longrunsthefox on August 02, 2009, 09:12:05 PM
Kildare supporters did themselves no credit with the booing and jeering to put off Tyrone players took a free... it was not like it was a few of them.. :-\
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There was a lot of that going on today.
Definitely the most exciting game of the year. Quality was not the best but gripping stuff.
Brian Mc Guigan was immense today wheh he came on. I was delighted to see him finding top form again.
Tyrone will improve after today.
Quote from: orangeman on August 02, 2009, 09:16:38 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on August 02, 2009, 09:12:05 PM
Kildare supporters did themselves no credit with the booing and jeering to put off Tyrone players took a free... it was not like it was a few of them.. :-\
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There was a lot of that going on today.
Definitely the most exciting game of the year. Quality was not the best but gripping stuff.
Brian Mc Guigan was immense today wheh he came on. I was delighted to see him finding top form again.
Tyrone will improve after today.
aye... from Kildare folk
Eh!!!!! The Kildare frees were booed also.... clearly heard on the telly. A common occurence at games now...... unfairly imo pinned solely on the Dublin fans (who do boo loudly because of their sheeer force of numbers).
By the way I forgot to post earlier that today's game had to be the best game I have ever seen for the quality of catching the ball under pressure. No fumbling etc...... seemed like all the players had glue on their hands. Well done to all.
Quote from: Main Street on August 02, 2009, 08:40:51 PM
Quote from: kickingmule on August 02, 2009, 07:54:32 PM
Quote from: norabeag on August 02, 2009, 07:35:54 PM
As a Down Man I cant believe the begrudgery towards Tyrone on this thread.in pure fotball terms they came out and won he game for themselves in the second half with their real leaders coming to the fore. This nonsense about them being cynical and peractising dark arts is a load of bollix. There was as much of the blocking, dragging etc form Kildare.
The only down side for me today is how that w****r Kinneavey gets such big games
totally agree, the jealousy and begrudgery is something you would slap your child for, get over yourselves....
the game of the year in my book, ..... a joy to watch, two superb footballing sides.
Great game indeed.
I am absolutly stunned that people find minute issues in the game in order to gave a good scratch at their begrudgery scabs.
Can't say I noticed the ref much except he did his job quietly and both teams got on with it.
He calmly dealt with any likely bother and the game was all the better for his approach.
Both teams were superb, it was an absolute joy to watch a match played at this top competitive level.
Dooher again was magnificent, what a footballer.
Oh I'm sorry, it was the best game ever and tyrone are the best team ever, no other type of dicussion allowed.
Mods, please lock the thread.
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Brian McGuigan awesome when he came on, id say he touched the ball about 20 odd times.
thought Dooher was also brilliant, helped turn the ball over at real key moments in the game.
Just what we needed: a really tough game against a serious opposition.
Don't want to say too much about Ó Conamha, save that at times I think he occupies an alternative refereeing universe where three steps constitutes overcarrying and a nailed on rugby tackle doesn't warrant a yellow card. No prizes for guessing he has a brother who's closely involved with Kildare GAA.
Mc Geeney & Grimley have achieved great things with this Kildare team, and they will achieve greater, no doubt. We have work to do, and we've three weeks in which to do it. Cork didn't have a test today at all, Donegal capitulated after ten minutes, and thereafter it was nothing more than a training game for them.
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Oh I'm sorry, it was the best game ever and tyrone are the best team ever, no other type of dicussion allowed.
Mods, please lock the thread.
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Na not at all Pint's, bate away but also recognize how it makes you look and sound ::)
Kildare gave Tyrone a huge fright today. I knew Kildare would pose a serious test. Kildare worked very hard but lacked a bit of composure near the end.
Referee was poor enough. I thought there would have been 3/4 minutes injury time but I don't think that it would have mattered as Tyrone were in the ascendancy.
Dooher is a terrier. Penrose had a great game, along with Mulligan and O'Neill. Joe Mc Mahon was excellent throughout.
Still not getting all from Cavanagh. Only seeing glimpses of his brilliance.
Quote from: Tyrones own on August 02, 2009, 09:33:15 PM
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Oh I'm sorry, it was the best game ever and tyrone are the best team ever, no other type of dicussion allowed.
Mods, please lock the thread.
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Na not at all Pint's, bate away but also recognize how it makes you look and sound ::)
I havent said anything TO but the way people are crying about begrudgers I thought no comment or discussion is allowed on the game.
QuoteI havent said anything TO but the way people are crying about begrudgers I thought no comment or discussion is allowed on the game.
??? Should I go back and quote some of your recent remarks :-\
Quote from: Tyrones own on August 02, 2009, 09:42:51 PM
QuoteI havent said anything TO but the way people are crying about begrudgers I thought no comment or discussion is allowed on the game.
??? Should I go back and quote some of your recent remarks :-\
Oh am I one of the begrudgers too because I don't like gormley gloating? My apologies. Shouldnt have said anything, sure tyrone are the best team ever and obviously the only reason why I dont like a player goading another player is because I'm jealous. :-\ ::)
Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 02, 2009, 09:44:51 PM
Quote from: Tyrones own on August 02, 2009, 09:42:51 PM
QuoteI havent said anything TO but the way people are crying about begrudgers I thought no comment or discussion is allowed on the game.
??? Should I go back and quote some of your recent remarks :-\
Oh am I one of the begrudgers too because I don't like gormley gloating? My apologies. Shouldnt have said anything, sure tyrone are the best team ever and obviously the only reason why I dont like a player goading another player is because I'm jealous. :-\ ::)
Good man pints, just be honest. :D
Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 02, 2009, 09:44:51 PM
Quote from: Tyrones own on August 02, 2009, 09:42:51 PM
QuoteI havent said anything TO but the way people are crying about begrudgers I thought no comment or discussion is allowed on the game.
??? Should I go back and quote some of your recent remarks :-\
Oh am I one of the begrudgers too because I don't like gormley gloating? My apologies. Shouldnt have said anything, sure tyrone are the best team ever and obviously the only reason why I dont like a player goading another player is because I'm jealous. :-\ ::)
Gormley wasn't giving anything he wasn't getting.... just better at it :P
Stephen O'Neill is the spit of yer man in the Magners pear ad, the one that says "get up them stairs" and "keep her lit".
Oh, and Sean Cavanagh for 6 2" does go down very easily indeed :-*.
What a fetch by Brian Mc Guigan to set up Justin MC Mahon for the last point and what a score by Justin.
Quote from: Skiddybadoo on August 02, 2009, 09:51:35 PM
Stephen O'Neill is the spit of yer man in the Magners pear ad, the one that says "get up them stairs" and "keep her lit".
Oh, and Sean Cavanagh for 6 2" does go down very easily indeed :-*.
As does
his ..... a bottle of Coors Light.
Absolutely gutted we've left a match we should have won behind us but I'm immensely proud of the effort of the Kildare players this year. In truth, we should have been further ahead at half time and like the Dublin match, our failure to start the second half well cost us in the end. Also our lack of impact off the bench didn't help us. In fairness to MacLochlainn though I thought he'd one of his better games for Kildare. Rob Kelly let one ball drop when the goal was gaping and Ken Donnelly carried the ball down a cul de sac when there was a point on.
Mikey Conway was sorely missed as well. Flanagan got through a mountain of ball as a sweeper but his distribution isn't on the same planet as Conway's. Thought Dermot was immense and it would be a travesty if he doesn't win an all-star. He could have thrown a saddle up on his back for the second half given the amount of red shirts riding out of him. Johnny came good to when it mattered. The point from under the Hogan Stand was sublime. Chalky White had a big game in the backs for a lad that has pleyed little football all year. It was great to see him put McMenamin back on his arse before the goal. Playing Roli as an orthodox full-forward probably took Tyrone by surprise but apart from the goal, I don't think it really worked out.
I was disappointed with the antics of some of the Tyrone players and to be honest if they play like that against Cork they'll be blown out of the water. I won't comment on Gearóid Ó Whateverthefcukhescalledthisweek's performance also because I'd be getting a ban!
Plenty of positives to take from the year but it still doesn't ease the pain of such a defeat. Haven't felt as bad after a match since Galway in 2000. Feck it anyway, roll on next year. CILL DARA ABÚ
QuoteOh, and Sean Cavanagh for 6 2" does go down very easily indeed
Ah stop exaggerating he's only 6 1" :P
That was the first match I've ever supported a non-Ulster team against an Ulster team.
But fair play to Tyrone, they just about deserved their win.
Not too long home, very relieved, but my lasting memory of the match will be of the Tyrone gypsy who called me (I'm a twenty-something year old girl) a f**king c**t when I asked him if he'd try to stop shouting incredibly foul mouthed insults directed towards absolutely everyone on the pitch into my ear. I was then the victim of the abuse for the next 5 mins.
Embarrassed to inhabit the same planet as the man. Very annoyed by it.
To the rest of this Island (and a certain Mayoman) does this prove just how good wicklow are because
1.Kildare were good enough to beat Tyrone
2. Wicklow were good enough to beat kildare....ish
Quote from: Rois on August 02, 2009, 10:10:54 PM
Not too long home, very relieved, but my lasting memory of the match will be of the Tyrone gypsy who called me (I'm a twenty-something year old girl) a f**king c**t when I asked him if he'd try to stop shouting incredibly foul mouthed insults directed towards absolutely everyone on the pitch into my ear. I was then the victim of the abuse for the next 5 mins.
Embarrassed to inhabit the same planet as the man. Very annoyed by it.
That is awful. Sorry to hear about that. Not good enough. Where were you sitting ?
Quote from: Rois on August 02, 2009, 10:10:54 PM
Not too long home, very relieved, but my lasting memory of the match will be of the Tyrone gypsy who called me (I'm a twenty-something year old girl) a f**king c**t when I asked him if he'd try to stop shouting incredibly foul mouthed insults directed towards absolutely everyone on the pitch into my ear. I was then the victim of the abuse for the next 5 mins.
Embarrassed to inhabit the same planet as the man. Very annoyed by it.
That's too bad Rois, probably his one and only trip to Croke Park the year also >:(
Quote from: Eastern_Pride on August 02, 2009, 10:11:55 PM
To the rest of this Island (and a certain Mayoman) does this prove just how good wicklow are because
1.Kildare were good enough to beat Tyrone
2. Wicklow were good enough to beat kildare....ish
1. Kildare didn't beat Tyrone
2. In 2008, yes. In 2009, no.
I was Lower Hogan, section 330, he may have been drunk but was in his 40s, not a teenager. I have never had that language directed at me before. Jaysus I was nearly in tears!
Did anyone hear O'Neill in the post match interview saying he knew he had to go out and perform in order to delay Longball telling the 'Stevy O'Neill Story'
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 02, 2009, 10:15:37 PM
Quote from: Eastern_Pride on August 02, 2009, 10:11:55 PM
To the rest of this Island (and a certain Mayoman) does this prove just how good wicklow are because
1.Kildare were good enough to beat Tyrone
2. Wicklow were good enough to beat kildare....ish
1. Kildare didn't beat Tyrone
2. In 2008, yes. In 2009, no.
If it wasn't for a shocker of a second half by Marty Duffy Wicklow would have made a game out of it. Our forwards were better(!) but that was absmyal by our back three. I don't know if you saw this but there was a kick out where stafford caught the ball clean, yere no.8 jumped forward, ronaldo-like and got the free no contact. Ah now!
Quote from: Rois on August 02, 2009, 10:19:55 PM
I was Lower Hogan, section 330, he may have been drunk but was in his 40s, not a teenager. I have never had that language directed at me before. Jaysus I was nearly in tears!
That's terrible, were there no gentlemen around to offer him a lesson in manners?
Quote from: Rois on August 02, 2009, 10:19:55 PM
I was Lower Hogan, section 330, he may have been drunk but was in his 40s, not a teenager. I have never had that language directed at me before. Jaysus I was nearly in tears!
You should have called the stewards.
It wasn't the boyo who ran onto the field to remonstrate with the ref ?
Quote from: tyssam5 on August 02, 2009, 10:24:47 PM
Quote from: Rois on August 02, 2009, 10:19:55 PM
I was Lower Hogan, section 330, he may have been drunk but was in his 40s, not a teenager. I have never had that language directed at me before. Jaysus I was nearly in tears!
That's terrible, were there no gentlemen around to offer him a lesson in manners?
My thoughts exactly :o
I am, had the red and white on. Ach I sound like a whinger now. I wasn't in the company of any guys for the match. And no strangers volunteered to defend my honour.
As a football fan I was disgusted at the large section of Kildare (fans?) who cherred Tyrone's wide freekicks. Fair enough to applaud a wide if your defender has put the forward under pressure. But in my book there is not much sportsmanship in applauding a wide free kick. Not even the Dubs would do it.
Quote from: Eastern_Pride on August 02, 2009, 10:24:24 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 02, 2009, 10:15:37 PM
Quote from: Eastern_Pride on August 02, 2009, 10:11:55 PM
To the rest of this Island (and a certain Mayoman) does this prove just how good wicklow are because
1.Kildare were good enough to beat Tyrone
2. Wicklow were good enough to beat kildare....ish
1. Kildare didn't beat Tyrone
2. In 2008, yes. In 2009, no.
If it wasn't for a shocker of a second half by Marty Duffy Wicklow would have made a game out of it. Our forwards were better(!) but that was absmyal by our back three. I don't know if you saw this but there was a kick out where stafford caught the ball clean, yere no.8 jumped forward, ronaldo-like and got the free no contact. Ah now!
Jaysus, build a bridge and get over it. Did you miss Seánie Furlong's steps for the first goal and Leighton Glynn's throw for the second??
The 50/50 calls will go with you one day and against you the next. That's football, sure just look at the calls that went against Kildare today. There'll always be another day - Ní hé an té is fearr a thuileann is mó a fhaigheann.
Disgraceful Rois. You should ask the tryone county board which club they allocated that seat to and contact their chairman.
Croke park isnt fit for vermin like that.
Quote from: fred the red on August 02, 2009, 10:39:23 PM
Disgraceful Rois. You should ask the tryone county board which club they allocated that seat to and contact their chairman.
Croke park isnt fit for vermen like that.
Nor verwomen
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 02, 2009, 10:37:56 PM
Quote from: Eastern_Pride on August 02, 2009, 10:24:24 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 02, 2009, 10:15:37 PM
Quote from: Eastern_Pride on August 02, 2009, 10:11:55 PM
To the rest of this Island (and a certain Mayoman) does this prove just how good wicklow are because
1.Kildare were good enough to beat Tyrone
2. Wicklow were good enough to beat kildare....ish
1. Kildare didn't beat Tyrone
2. In 2008, yes. In 2009, no.
If it wasn't for a shocker of a second half by Marty Duffy Wicklow would have made a game out of it. Our forwards were better(!) but that was absmyal by our back three. I don't know if you saw this but there was a kick out where stafford caught the ball clean, yere no.8 jumped forward, ronaldo-like and got the free no contact. Ah now!
Jaysus, build a bridge and get over it. Did you miss Seánie Furlong's steps for the first goal and Leighton Glynn's throw for the second??
The 50/50 calls will go with you one day and against you the next. That's football, sure just look at the calls that went against Kildare today. There'll always be another day - Ní hé an té is fearr a thuileann is mó a fhaigheann.
I didn't want to moan about what could have been i just want to recognise this isn't the same wicklow side. Micko's built capable of being one of the top three(or even two-luck of the draw) sides in leinster
Quote from: DCR on August 02, 2009, 10:35:38 PM
As a football fan I was disgusted at the large section of Kildare (fans?) who cherred Tyrone's wide freekicks. Fair enough to applaud a wide if your defender has put the forward under pressure. But in my book there is not much sportsmanship in applauding a wide free kick. Not even the Dubs would do it.
I would agree that it is not nice to hear but every county seems to have a proportion of these clowns.
In fairness, I'd say a lot of the cheers would be when "questionable" frees are kicked wide - sense of justice being done. Still doesn't excuse it though. Some GAA supporters could learn a lot from the rugby crowd as far as respect for the place kicker is concerned.
The jeering of the free-kicks doesn't really annoy me that much tbh, there is always going to be those idiots in the minority and also those who complain about it on an annual basis, especially when they lose funny enough.
Watchin the highlites on the sunday game and still could hardly watch it :o
so nerve wrecking
Rois dont let it annoy ya, u get them sort everywhere, last year in the Final I was shoved on the ground and walked over on the hill when the final whistle was blown, the crowd behind us thought the gate had been open ed (which it was NOT) :'( swear to God thought my lites were out would never go back there again a child got shoved against the gate and had to be pulled up over it from the other side was scary crap
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 02, 2009, 10:47:23 PM
Quote from: DCR on August 02, 2009, 10:35:38 PM
As a football fan I was disgusted at the large section of Kildare (fans?) who cherred Tyrone's wide freekicks. Fair enough to applaud a wide if your defender has put the forward under pressure. But in my book there is not much sportsmanship in applauding a wide free kick. Not even the Dubs would do it.
I would agree that it is not nice to hear but every county seems to have a proportion of these clowns.
In fairness, I'd say a lot of the cheers would be when "questionable" frees are kicked wide - sense of justice being done. Still doesn't excuse it though. Some GAA supporters could learn a lot from the rugby crowd as far as respect for the place kicker is concerned.
The only rugby crowd who respects any kickers are in thomond park where you hear the grass being ripped from the ground.
I wouldn't get overly excited about some eejits booing the free-kicker. But I would like to think Tyrone will never have as bad an off day from free-kicks again. That was dire today and led to us not getting a comfortable lead at any stage.
Quote from: hardstation on August 02, 2009, 10:51:02 PM
If Antrim were leading Tyrone by a point in the last minute of the Ulster final and Stevie O'Neill hit a free wide - I'd have cheered. Simply cheering your team getting a bit of luck.
Any chance of coming up with a more realistic one HS :P
Quote from: Tyrones own on August 02, 2009, 10:52:27 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 02, 2009, 10:51:02 PM
If Antrim were leading Tyrone by a point in the last minute of the Ulster final and Stevie O'Neill hit a free wide - I'd have cheered. Simply cheering your team getting a bit of luck.
Any chance of coming up with a more realistic one HS :P
tyrone leading longford in the nicky rackard?
Relief!
First off i'm rather bemused at the comments about Tyrone obstructing frees and cynical tactics. Were you at the same game I was at? Kildare's persistant fouling was far more evident. Can't believe Early wasn't shown a yellow card for taking out Mulligan in the first half when he had him beat in front of the goals. Tyrone do this too but its at least punished with a yellow card.
Mc Geeney's tactics were far more evident in the Kildare players running (very close) in front to distract free takers and fouling players to break down attacks. I won't say Tyrone are entirely innocent, I didn't like Cavanagh knocking the ball out of the Kildare player's hands at the end, but jesus talk about pot calling the kettle black.
As for the boos, they were coming from the canal end (mostly) which was full of children, but I didn't like the cheering and flag waving at Tyrone's wides.
And if you want to start talking about missed chances, what about the 3 scoreable frees Tyrone missed in a row. Tyrone should have won by 5. Gormley was my MOTM, he was all over the forwards and as for "dark tactics" ffs Kildare gave as good as they got. What about Justy being dragged and held down before Ricey got blown for overcarrying. Not to sure about SON for MOTM, he had a poor first half, but you can't really argue with 7 points.
...And finally, no harm, lets hope that's Tommy McGuigan's starting place gone, too many bad performances, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who is full of dread everytime he steps up to take a free. Brian' has a great head, and never wastes possession. And what about that catch!
Have to admit I had a strong feeling beforehand that Tyrone would lose today and for a good spell there it looked that way. The team came through Ulster easy enough but never really flowed and at times against Antrim looked pretty disjointed. That and the fact that this is the kind of match Tyrone have at times slipped up with in recent years made me pretty concerned. Having come through a close enough match against a strong, physical well organised and motivated side should hopefully do Tyrone a power of good though, they certainly needed it. Ultimately Tyrone are at this stage where they were wanted to be back in May, in the All-Ireland semi with the minimum of fuss. A further big step up will be required for the next day.
Good effort by Kildare, should have a Leinster title inside them if they continue to improve.
QuoteJusty being dragged and held down before Ricey got blown for overcarrying.
I think you'll find it was "Justy" who pulled down and held the Kildare player, ref didnt give the free but give one when McMenamin had barely the ball in his hands because imo he realised he should have given the free 5 seconds earlier.
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on August 02, 2009, 11:00:00 PM
Relief!
First off i'm rather bemused at the comments about Tyrone obstructing frees and cynical tactics. Were you at the same game I was at? Kildare's persistant fouling was far more evident. Can't believe Early wasn't shown a yellow card for taking out Mulligan in the first half when he had him beat in front of the goals. Tyrone do this too but its at least punished with a yellow card.
Mc Geeney's tactics were far more evident in the Kildare players running (very close) in front to distract free takers and fouling players to break down attacks. I won't say Tyrone are entirely innocent, I didn't like Cavanagh knocking the ball out of the Kildare player's hands at the end, but jesus talk about pot calling the kettle black.
As for the boos, they were coming from the canal end (mostly) which was full of children, but I didn't like the cheering and flag waving at Tyrone's wides.
And if you want to start talking about missed chances, what about the 3 scoreable frees Tyrone missed in a row. Tyrone should have won by 5. Gormley was my MOTM, he was all over the forwards and as for "dark tactics" ffs Kildare gave as good as they got. What about Justy being dragged and held down before Ricey got blown for overcarrying. Not to sure about SON for MOTM, he had a poor first half, but you can't really argue with 7 points.
...And finally, no harm, lets hope that's Tommy McGuigan's starting place gone, too many bad performances, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who is full of dread everytime he steps up to take a free. Brian' has a great head, and never wastes possession. And what about that catch!
Don't think he will start Brian against Cork though, match-fitness will be at a premium against this mobile Cork side.
Quote from: tyssam5 on August 02, 2009, 11:05:01 PM
Don't think he will start Brian against Cork though, match-fitness will be at a premium against this mobile Cork side.
True. But although he's no doubt improved, Tommy shouldn't start against Cork, I'd hate to see Penrose make way for Cavanagh up front if (lets hope) Mc Ginleys fit.
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on August 02, 2009, 11:00:00 PM
...And finally, no harm, lets hope that's Tommy McGuigan's starting place gone, too many bad performances, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who is full of dread everytime he steps up to take a free. Brian' has a great head, and never wastes possession. And what about that catch!
Yes Tommy played poorly today and has not had a great few outings. The free taking issue is a strange one for me. Tommy is not first choice free taker for the club as Frank hits them. Mugsy or Sean could also hit them for Tyrone but dont seem to want the responsibility.
So glad to see Brian playing as well as he did, some going to get back to where he is now after what he endured.
this was the good tough game that tyrone needed. fair play to kildare. if they stick at it they'll be serious contenders next year - a much better team than armagh, derry or antrim.
poor perfomances today came from: t mcguigan, jordan & cavanagh
good performances: o'neill, mulligan, penrose, b mcguigan, c gormley, justin mcmahon.
also cant believe ger canning going on about philip jordans block in the 2002 ai final.
Quote from: orangeman on August 02, 2009, 10:27:39 PM
Quote from: Rois on August 02, 2009, 10:19:55 PM
I was Lower Hogan, section 330, he may have been drunk but was in his 40s, not a teenager. I have never had that language directed at me before. Jaysus I was nearly in tears!
You should have called the stewards.
It wasn't the boyo who ran onto the field to remonstrate with the ref ?
"And the language. Ya wouldn't hear it from a docker."
"Ah ya would now Ted. They use very bad language."
"I'm from Corless, Corless & Sweeney"
"We're fine for coal thanks"
Midfield completely pulverised yet again. How do we win these matches? Cork will have a field day in this sector. All Packy's short kickouts were excellent, though the normal ones were big floaters suiting the kildare lads to a tee. Jordan and Harte had a real tough day today. Tommy's head went down after missing those frees and I thought he'd be off earlier. It reminded me of the stinker he had against Mayo last year. He bounced back then and he'll do so again. Cracking game overall, looking forward to watching the tape. The blitzkrieg at the start of the second half was vintage stuff, both in attack and defense.
brilliant game, not long back still sore head and throat from shouting. Jaysus that was nervy stuff! Agree with a lot that's been posted already baring this nonsense of tyrones 'dark arts' crap, yes we are cynical and play on the edge but Kildare were at the same carry on all game also! Keneavy would drive u nuts with his inconsistency, although it wasn't the worst game iv seen him ref. Probably only played a minute injury time to make up for the seven he played against cavan 05! I was sitting in canal end and was disgusted with the Kildare support jumping, waving arms, booing etc at Tyrone frees and this was certainly not the minority. Fair enough if it was a contenscious decsion or the games got nasty but this was constant from the word go. On a lighter note...did anyone notice packie's sliced kick out during the warm up that clocked an artane band member on the skull, was quite amusing ;D
Quote from: Rois on August 02, 2009, 10:19:55 PM
I was Lower Hogan, section 330, he may have been drunk but was in his 40s, not a teenager. I have never had that language directed at me before. Jaysus I was nearly in tears!
That's a disgrace. I'm annoyed nobody stood up to the tr**p. At the Wexford game last year there was a so called Wexford supporter saying some while stuff I won't repeat. To their credit loads of real Wexford supporters told him to shut his f**king mouth. In particular one truly fearsome Wexford woman about 4 rows in front who put the absolute fear of god in him. Put it this way, he disappeared at half time and didn't come back.
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 02, 2009, 11:36:42 PM
On a lighter note...did anyone notice packie's sliced kick out during the warm up that clocked an artane band member on the skull, was quite amusing ;D
Poor girl, happened right in front of us. She never even broke her line, well trained band. There was a couple of close ones right after that one too!
Aye boys like that need confronted... I remember in 2002 when Sligo beat Tyrone and the Fox was half mad- this Meath boy was shouting awful stuff in the second game at Donegal players calling them 'scum' etc... I lost it (mostty because of the Sligo result) and told him I'd bust him if he said another word. He was in a state of shock and never spoke after that . You find boys like that are usually yellow when they are confronted.
I thought is was a great game. I would question only once Tyrone's cynicism and that was at the death knell and we'd all do the same it truth be told.
The best team won over the 70 mins and I look forward to the Langers v Tyrone semi.
Will be interesting!
Quote from: Mac Eoghain on August 02, 2009, 11:52:07 PM
QuoteI was Lower Hogan, section 330, he may have been drunk but was in his 40s, not a teenager. I have never had that language directed at me before. Jaysus I was nearly in tears!
That's a disgrace. I'm annoyed nobody stood up to the tr**p. At the Wexford game last year there was a so called Wexford supporter saying some while stuff I won't repeat. To their credit loads of real Wexford supporters told him to shut his f**king mouth. In particular one truly fearsome Wexford woman about 4 rows in front who put the absolute fear of god in him. Put it this way, he disappeared at half time and didn't come back.
Rois - I was sitting behind Mrs Daly so Im sure you were probably in the row in front of us! Although Mr Daly looks like a big enough lad that any misconstruance towards his missus or her cousins wouldnt go down too well! Im sure you noticed me giving off at the Donegal ones who were very proactive on Kildars's cause - I was behind them for their match and was ripping at them for supporting Kildare!
Was it you that rang up Newstalk?
Most of the Donegal people around me were giving Tyrone what ever bit of support they had left in them. Personally speaking I was so shellshocked that I was a very dispassionate observer of the 2nd game - although I was glad that Tyrone won it. The other thing to remember is that people can support whoever they want.
Not going to single any team out but the booing of freetakers and the cheering of wides is really sickening to see/hear. Supporters need to have a bit of class and it reflects badly on your county when you choose to engage in "negative supoprting". I wouldn't mind but both sets of supporters had enough brilliant play to cheer.
Great game and great result. Just the type of game that Tyrone needed after an easy Ulster Championship and they will learn more from that today than Cork did in their game.
Thought best for Tyrone were Justy, Ricey, Gormley, Dooher, Penrose, O'Neill, Mugsy and Brian McGuigan.
After reading through the comments, cant understand where everyone seen this cynical, masters of dark acts etc impression they got of Tyrone today. Fair enough there was some instances of it, by both teams, but some of use are going over the top. Especially picking out Conor Gormley for smiling at an opponent after he was fouled. That's the worst i've ever heard! Probably the most guilty man for this carry on was the Kildare no.8. He never left Cavanagh alone when the ball wasn't in play, constantly getting in his face, pushing him, blocking him off etc. When he followed Cavanagh on the ball I thought he did OK and his tactics worked, but no call for the behaviour when the ball wasn't in play.
The less said about the ref the better. Made some strange calls on both teams and the timekeeping was a joke, though I think it wouldn't have mattered as Tyrone would have still seen the game out.
I thought it was good tight game for Tyrone and fair play to Kildare for their worthy performance.
Rois, really annoyed for you and disgusted that these so called supporters go to matches and do nothing but shout obscenities, and to direct it a female is sickening.
Mc Geeney & Grimley have achieved great things with this Kildare team, and they will achieve greater, no doubt. We have work to do, and we've three weeks in which to do it. Cork didn't have a test today at all, Donegal capitulated after ten minutes, and thereafter it was nothing more than a training game for them.
Cork had a turkey shoot.
Kildare have bought into McGeeney & Grimley and are going to be about at this stage for next few years
Quote from: Armin Tamzarian on August 02, 2009, 07:02:55 PM
Who was that bollocks in the yellow bib doing all running for kildare? Every break in play he was across the field like a rocket shouting at everyone he passed. Mickey moynagh wasn't just quite as active
Do you know Niall Carew personally?? What gives you the right to call him a bollocks?? Grow up ffs
Quote from: fred the red on August 02, 2009, 10:39:23 PM
Disgraceful Rois. You should ask the tryone county board which club they allocated that seat to and contact their chairman.
Croke park isnt fit for vermin like that.
Given it was section 330, there's a fair chance it was the club chairman. Sorry to hear that Rois, whatever it is, Croke Park seems to draw larger numbers of the more knackerish element of the Tyrone support.
As for the game, I do believe I was watching a different game to most on here. I would be of the same opinion of Shamrock Shore in that Tyrone weren't particular cynical until the last couple of minutes and were trying to close the game out. Fair play to McGeeney, I thought he was tactically spot on - he almost had the perfect balance of trying to stop Tyrone from playing and playing to the obivious strengths of his own side. Tyrone's half forward line completely disappeared for long stages in the 1st half, there must have been half a dozen occasions when Tyrone tried to break out of defense and there was a 70 yard gap up the field to Stevie O'Neill. Ricey, Jordan, Cavanagh and Tommy had rare off days, and PJ's place could be under pressure for the Semi Final. Wee Brian may not be near the level as he was in 2005 in terms of picking out wonder passes, but by Jesus, if there's a better man at composing those around him when he's on the ball I haven't seen him yet. Kildare are a serious team and this time 12 months nobody will want to face them in a Quarter Final.
great game of football out there today, proper 1/4 final. fair play to kildare, they just made the one or two simple errors that are crucial in games.
tyrone deserved to win but could of lost
deromt early was just indescribeable......just unreal
white's discipline will stop him being a top footballer unless remedied
cavanagh was very quiet
if a dub had done what gourmely did he'd be hung. in my opinion and as i point out never met the man, he is a player whom i always see involved in incidents, he appears to me to be very sly and he does seem to get involved in the antics that are not favourable. i on viewing his performances i do not like the level that he operates at. before all of you jump down my throught, i dont know him and arent attacking him personally but to me as a neutral observer i feel that if mark vaughan acted like gourley today there would be a 87 page topic on those dirty dubs.
i'm not a dub but i really dont like the way gourley operated today.
ricey went down like a ton of bricks when early swung out
kildare did drag off the ball alot
kildare are missing a few crucial players
do tyrone have any alternatives in middle sector...none seemed tried today
dooher will be found out by the years end
well done tyrone, game versus rebels will be immense
Will post more When I'm next on computer. Superb second half from Tyrone, showing they did have an extra gear after all. Fair play to Kildare, really took the game to us. Especially enjoyed watching Doyle and Early. My MoTM was Gormley.
Got to say, laughable some of the anti-Tyrone stuff in here tonight.... from the usual quarters. Get over yourselves!
Quote from: Bomber2312 on August 03, 2009, 01:31:44 AM
ricey went down like a ton of bricks when early swung out
do tyrone have any alternatives in middle sector...none seemed tried today
dooher will be found out by the years end
I'll admit Ricey plays on the edge, but he didn't actually go down, he held his face, which I think he did get a skite, but nowhere as much as he madde out but play continued, so the point is immaterial.
Tyrone really miss Enda Mc Ginley, and they have alternatives, its just Harte doesn't rush into anything, he gives players the benefit of the doubt to redeem themselves.
What does that mean... Dooher will be found out? He was half limping a good deal of the game. He gets some abuse every game, gets hit hard and plays his heart out. He had a poor enough game today by his own standards, but he's better on one leg than most players ten years his junior. He doesn't take shite, and I don't blame him, if you have players tageting you for 75 mins, you're perfectly entitled to give back back a bit of guff.
Gourley, wasn't playing but Conor Gormley was the real MOTM.
Quote from: Bomber2312 on August 03, 2009, 01:31:44 AM
great game of football out there today, proper 1/4 final. fair play to kildare, they just made the one or two simple errors that are crucial in games.
tyrone deserved to win but could of lost
deromt early was just indescribeable......just unreal
white's discipline will stop him being a top footballer unless remedied
cavanagh was very quiet
if a dub had done what gourmely did he'd be hung. in my opinion and as i point out never met the man, he is a player whom i always see involved in incidents, he appears to me to be very sly and he does seem to get involved in the antics that are not favourable. i on viewing his performances i do not like the level that he operates at. before all of you jump down my throught, i dont know him and arent attacking him personally but to me as a neutral observer i feel that if mark vaughan acted like gourley today there would be a 87 page topic on those dirty dubs.
i'm not a dub but i really dont like the way gourley operated today.
ricey went down like a ton of bricks when early swung out
kildare did drag off the ball alot
kildare are missing a few crucial players
do tyrone have any alternatives in middle sector...none seemed tried today
dooher will be found out by the years end
well done tyrone, game versus rebels will be immense
I would be inclined to agree with that. Chalky showed last year for the 21s that he has all the attributes to be a top, top footballer but he needs to curb his tendency to fly off the handle. He had to carry a needless yellow card into the second half and as a result he couldn't be as tight on Mulligan. He has missed an awful lot of football this year though and if we can keep him injury free and get a good league campaign into him he should develop.
Presume you're talking about Gormley rather than Ciarán Gourley in the rest of your post. Gourley didn't even come on for Tyrone. Gormley plays the game on the edge and riles up the opposition players and supporters no end. I thought Roli Sweeney showed incredible restraint not to deck him, but to be honest we'd all love Gormley if he was one of our own. When Justin McMahon gallopped up the field for an insurance point, Brian Flanagan had the perfect opportunity to cut him off as he went for the return pass but he didn't. I've no doubt if it was the other way round and Mick Foley was running past Gormley he'd have been hauled down. Cynical - without doubt, but the point wouldn't have been conceded.
I'd say Pearse O'Neill might fancy his chances of putting manners on him!
Quote from: Bomber2312 on August 03, 2009, 01:31:44 AM
deromt early was just indescribeable......just unreal
Great footballer alright and he played against us in the 1998 AI final and this year is as good as I've ever seen him play.
Dermot has just been out of this world all year. For a guy who has been cursed with both injuries and illness his resilience has been incredible.
It's often said that Dermot Earley snr is one of the greatest players never to win an All-Ireland and I don't think it's overstating it to say that Dermot jnr is approaching that level. Even though he's been around for years he's only 31/32. Could still have a few years left in that Rolls Royce engine - maybe the elusive Earley celtic cross might come yet!
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 03, 2009, 02:04:23 AM
Dermot has just been out of this world all year. For a guy who has been cursed with both injuries and illness his resilience has been incredible.
It's often said that Dermot Earley snr is one of the greatest players never to win an All-Ireland and I don't think it's overstating it to say that Dermot jnr is approaching that level. Even though he's been around for years he's only 31/32. Could still have a few years left in that Rolls Royce engine - maybe the elusive Earley celtic cross might come yet!
I think his engine and desire should be commended at his age, and his fitness. But (I'll wait for the lashback) I feel there's a cynical side to him that Mc Geeney has brought out. I think he should have been yellow carded much earlier. I think he was kept quiet enough today. He maybe only caught 1/2 clean balls but went in more to knock the ball down, which worked 1st half but not in 2nd. Plus he was kept back a lot today, which may have lessened his impact.
sorry for them typo's lads. obviously i meant gormley.
what hat are u referring to?
didnt mean to make a big point of mcmenimen but it was and is always great to see the game move on when something like that happens and the pretender just has to get up
what i meant about dooher and he is one of my favourites is that i think he's feeling the pace abit....not sayin hes not a super footballer, bit like dara in kerry that the legs may be tiring abit. miskella will be a great contest. be happy to eat my words on that but i feel that he may be commin to the end is all
Quote from: Skiddybadoo on August 02, 2009, 09:51:35 PM
Oh, and Sean Cavanagh for 6 2" does go down very easily indeed :-*.
Know exactly what you mean
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re white seen him in all ireland under 21 final and was ver impressed but alwaya got the feeling he was gonna do something mental. he has all the attributes but he buys into the needless stuff way too easily.
Can I just point out that there is a world of difference between booing a klicker before he takes a free and cheering as a free kick goes wide.
It can be incredibly tense following your team in a game like that and when a ball goes wide which you had expected was going to go over, it is sheer elation that your team has somehow managed to not concede a further point and so you let out a cheer, it's not jeering of the opposition players.
Disappointed Kildare are out, there's no team left in the competition now that I would actually like to see lift Sam.
Tough hard game today which is just what Tyrone needed. The first fifteen minutes of the second half was as good a football that has been played in a while. People giving out about Gormley is a joke, smiling at someone deserves this slating? :D
For me motm should have been between Primrose ( this is what one of the papers here in New York called him a few years ago when he played out here ;D )
and Dooher, the possession this man won in the second half was unreal and when it was needed!
and Gormley :)
Fair play to Mc Geeney and Kildare, they had their tactics spot on today and it was no surprise to see Mc Geeney so gutted at the end for he knew they had done enough to win it. Early and Doyle imo were unreal!
By the way no one has mentioned Stephen O Neills point in the first half from the left corner, pure class!
This was the perfect preparation for Cork. Because of the level Tyrone had been playing at all Summer, Kildare's tenacity knocked Tyrone back for a while. However, when they needed to move through the gears they did, and in style. Those first 15 mins of the second half were majestic. Mugsy played his best football since 2005. Some crucial scores. O'Neill scored 0-7 despite having 2-3 men hanging out of him.
Very impressed with Kildare, especially after they went behind by 2. They didn't fold and only for a couple of wides late on we'd be looking at a replay. I thought Earley has hit and miss today and didn't like Hughes' presence! Still slightly concerned with Jordan since the Antrim game but have a feeling this side is peaking perfectly and can envisage a more complete performance next time.
Looks like Tommy, Mugsy and O'Neill are all best when close to goal but Mickey'll never do that. Tommy suffered today.
Ricey won a fantastic ball in midfield late on and as for McGuigan's catch....memories of '84.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 03, 2009, 01:56:21 AM
Presume you're talking about Gormley rather than Ciarán Gourley in the rest of your post. Gourley didn't even come on for Tyrone. Gormley plays the game on the edge and riles up the opposition players and supporters no end. I thought Roli Sweeney showed incredible restraint not to deck him, but to be honest we'd all love Gormley if he was one of our own. When Justin McMahon gallopped up the field for an insurance point, Brian Flanagan had the perfect opportunity to cut him off as he went for the return pass but he didn't. I've no doubt if it was the other way round and Mick Foley was running past Gormley he'd have been hauled down. Cynical - without doubt, but the point wouldn't have been conceded.
I'd say Pearse O'Neill might fancy his chances of putting manners on him!
Are you seriously calling Tyrone cynical for something that didn't happen? Fcuk me ::)
Quote from: ziggysego on August 03, 2009, 01:44:58 AM
Will post more When I'm next on computer. Superb second half from Tyrone, showing they did have an extra gear after all. Fair play to Kildare, really took the game to us. Especially enjoyed watching Doyle and Early. My MoTM was Gormley.
Got to say, laughable some of the anti-Tyrone stuff in here tonight.... from the usual quarters. Get over yourselves!
No dont worry, weve sorted it out, no one is allowed to say ANYTHING bad about tryone or any tyrone player because they're the best in the whole wide world, ever. ::) ::) ::)
Get over
YOURSELVES!
Talking shit as usual POG.
If you think that was Tyrone being cynical, you obvioulsy haven't seen alot of Tyrone games or you're just anti-Tyrone. I'd be the first to admit that Tyrone push it to the limit at times and do anything to win a match, but there wasn't much evidence to that yesterday compared to games in the past. And the fact that you singled out Conor Gormley for smiling at an opponent after he was fouled by him speaks volumes for your dislike of Tyrone.
Some of the comments about Tyrone cynacism are laughable and very blinkered. Anyone at the game will have clearly seen that Kildare are as well drilled to play as competitively, cutely and on the edge as anyone. They reminded me of armagh in their pomp, McGeeney and Grimleys fingerprints are all over Kildare and fair play to them as they are a serious outfit.
Also the comments on Gormely are way over the top. Every team in the country would love him on their side he is an absolutely brilliant player. He has lost a yard of pace but his reading of the game, footballing ability and physical presence more than compensate.
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on August 03, 2009, 08:39:51 AM
Talking shit as usual POG.
If you think that was Tyrone being cynical, you obvioulsy haven't seen alot of Tyrone games or you're just anti-Tyrone. I'd be the first to admit that Tyrone push it to the limit at times and do anything to win a match, but there wasn't much evidence to that yesterday compared to games in the past. And the fact that you singled out Conor Gormley for smiling at an opponent after he was fouled by him speaks volumes for your dislike of Tyrone.
I didnt say tyrone were being cynical. Maybe you should read the posts on the thread before playing the man (the wrong man)? ::) ::) ::) Several people have said they were cynical and you come in and play me who didnt even say it :D
Gormley wasnt smiling at his opponent, he was up in his face trying to goad him, after a free had been won (twice) - bit different than exchanging pleasantries with a smile. As I said above, it's not nice to see but hardly a big deal.
This is unbelievable, some tyrone supporters cannot accept any criticism of their team, cant even accept a discussion on the referees performance, it's just bizarre. Anyone who says anything negative must be "anti tyrone", and then you've got ziggy telling people to get over themselves!! The irony.
anyway, no point in letting the thread get bogged down, get over yourselves. :D
Quote from: Zapatista on August 03, 2009, 07:55:22 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 03, 2009, 01:56:21 AM
Presume you're talking about Gormley rather than Ciarán Gourley in the rest of your post. Gourley didn't even come on for Tyrone. Gormley plays the game on the edge and riles up the opposition players and supporters no end. I thought Roli Sweeney showed incredible restraint not to deck him, but to be honest we'd all love Gormley if he was one of our own. When Justin McMahon gallopped up the field for an insurance point, Brian Flanagan had the perfect opportunity to cut him off as he went for the return pass but he didn't. I've no doubt if it was the other way round and Mick Foley was running past Gormley he'd have been hauled down. Cynical - without doubt, but the point wouldn't have been conceded.
I'd say Pearse O'Neill might fancy his chances of putting manners on him!
Are you seriously calling Tyrone cynical for something that didn't happen? Fcuk me ::)
No, I was just pointing out that an element of cynicism is inherent in
all the better teams of the modern era. This cynicism or gamesmanship, whatever you want to call it, is something Kildare will probably have to develop as they gain more experience. I'm not under the impression that Kildare are whiter than white (excuse the pun!) but I thought we were very naive at times yesterday. If you're under the impression that Gormley is whiter than white though you're only deluding yourself. Maybe you missed him take down James Kavanagh during the second half when there was the sniff of a goal chance?
On reflection, Tyrone fully deserved their win. While we played well in the first half, four points in 35 minutes of championship football simply isn't good enough. We'd been putting up an average of eighteen and nineteen points over the whole of the league and championship and it is testament to Tyrone that they held us to twelve scores yesterday. Any Kildare fans whingeing about the ref should quieten down because there will be another day for this team and maybe that day we might be in receipt of a few 50/50 calls.
Well done to Tyrone and good luck for the rest of the season.
Through the chair - I'd like to propose that we change the subject. I'd like to add an amendment that we ban the use of the words "cynical" and "cynicism". Just for awhile, like, FFS.
Here's a whole lot of better words to play with - skill, courage, pace, resilience, resolution, commitment, power, determination.
Quote from: Hardy on August 03, 2009, 10:02:59 AM
Through the chair - I'd like to propose that we change the subject. I'd like to add an amendment that we ban the use of the words "cynical" and "cynicism". Just for awhile, like, FFS.
Here's a whole lot of better words to play with - skill, courage, pace, resilience, resolution, commitment, power, determination.
I thought those where the only words we were allowed to say about tyrone anyway?
I thought it was a hanging offence to say anything else?
I thought Kildare were class and It was a humdinger between 2 good teams, with nothing bar a bit of bad shooting between them. Mc Geeney will get silverware next year from this team, they are the real deal. Great fans too. Pints you are a total dick.
Quote from: rrhf on August 03, 2009, 10:10:32 AM
I thought Kildare were class and It was a humdinger between 2 good teams, with nothing bar a bit of bad shooting between them. Mc Geeney will get silverware next year from this team, they are the real deal. Great fans too. Pints you are a total dick.
Why's that? Because you disagree with what I'm saying and haven't the intelligence to counteract that but would rather just call names? ::)
Quote from: rrhf on August 03, 2009, 10:10:32 AM
I thought Kildare were class and It was a humdinger between 2 good teams, with nothing bar a bit of bad shooting between them. Mc Geeney will get silverware next year from this team, they are the real deal. Great fans too. Pints you are a total dick.
Fair play, I still think we're a bit off the top teams yet (Tyrone nowhere near their best yesterday) but as Iarnród Éireann say - we're getting there!
Great banter with the Tyronies around the big smoke yesterday. Good luck against
SIPTU the webils.
just watched the game again. Was an extremely enjoyable match with some great scores. Was looking for something similar from stevey a la Dublin game in January but never expected a near carbon copy of the point out on the cusack endline. Had the perfect view of both, exquisite! Justy's point was also spectacular following brians superb catch above kavanagh. Some great Kildare points too, my choice would be doyles 2nd half effort were he threw it out with one hand and hooked it up over his shoulder, brilliant!
Major headache from mickeys viewpoint, enda will definately be needed in the middle against cork (if he is fit) but who loses out, all forwards played well. Penrose in particular can't be dropped was out in front all the time, used the ball well at all times and took his score well. I suppose it's a better connundrum than having a shortage of options.
Excellent game, two teams who threw everything at each other. Tyrone's wee bit of craft and experience told in the end though.
Needed a test and we certainly got it, SON and Mugsy dovetailed superbly and kicked some great scores, the McMahons must be fed on spinach as they have some power!
Tommy McGuigan has to be dropped. I thought he was terrible. Mulligan should be entrusted with frees.
can anyone post the ratings from todays Irish News?
Gormley isn't whiter than white but I imagine that there was verbals exchanged between him and his man a few times and I remember him grabbing or pushing Gormley after frees were won and Gormley hardly committed the harshest crime in the world by smiling at him or tapping his face.
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 03, 2009, 10:37:32 AM
Tommy McGuigan has to be dropped. I thought he was terrible. Mulligan should be entrusted with frees.
I think you're right, tommy's performance slipped past my own analysis. Just hasn't been doing enough to keep someone else on the bench . Free kicks were quite poor but it's something Tyrone have never really had (apart from canavan), a 7/8 from 10 frees man. His place will be under serious pressure from Enda or big bro
Enjoyable game- Kildare played quite well. Tyrone probably look a bit more vunerable this year than previous years. Cork have a chance.
That smiling at someone is some tactic if you can be cool enough to do it! I'd have thumped him :D didnt see much wrong with it to be honest, better than slabbering at him.
All in all a very sporting game, little negativity, great football, great scores and 10/10 for entertainment value. One thing I admire about Tyrone ( :-\) is their ability to keep their cool at all times. Never did they go searching for a goal, which Kildare did towards the end, when only two kicks of the ball would have drawn it! Tyrone chipped away and eventually their game plan and style of football that would be practised night after night at training, came to the fore and they showed their class.
Still by no means the finished article, we could be in for a cracker of a semi final.
Player Ratings: Tyrone V Kildare
All-Ireland Senior Football Championship quarter-final: Tyrone 0-16 Kildare 1-11
By Brendan Crossan and Paddy Heaney
03/08/09
TYRONE RATINGS
Pascal McConnell: Forced to make 15 kick-outs in the first half. Let down by a lacklustre performance from his team-mates who only won seven of them. Used the short kick-out to good effect after the break. Made a good interception but escaped punishment when punching a high ball into danger. 7
PJ Quinn: Had spells on Eamonn Callaghan, Alan Smith and John Doyle. The latter posed him the most problems. Harshly penalised for a foul on Doyle in the first half. 6
Justin McMahon: Marked Alan Smith, Kildare's top scorer and restricted him to a single score. Was composed under a few testing high balls. Moved out the field for the last 15 minutes and kicked a majestic point. 7
Conor Gormley: Marked Ronan Sweeney, the Kildare goalscorer. Can't be faulted for the goal. Was dominant throughout and helped Tyrone turn the screw in the second half. 7.5
Davy Harte: Marked John Doyle before the Kildare man was pushed into the full-forward line. Kicked a superb point in the first half but wasn't as prominent as in other games. 6
Ryan McMenamin: Won his individual duels against Padraig O'Neill and Ken Donnelly. Only picked up one breaking ball and failed to initiate his usual quota of counter-attacks. 6.5
Philip Jordan: Not his best day in the Tyrone jersey. Struggled to contain James Kavanagh, who set up the goal, scored a point, and had a key role in another two. Did much better at
corner-back on John Doyle. 5.5
Kevin Hughes: While Dermot Earley had a great game, the Kildare man didn't have it all his own way against Hughes. Hughes won six kick-outs. And after kicking three points in his last outing, Earley failed to score. 7.5
Sean Cavanagh: Was tightly marked by Darryl Flynn. Failed to win a kick-out in the first half. Improved after the break. Won three kick-outs that led to three points from Owen Mulligan (two) and Brian Dooher. 6.5
Brian Dooher: Didn't win his usual share of possession but still kicked two points. Made a bad error when losing possession in the closing minutes. 7
Tommy McGuigan: Was Tyrone's best ball winner at midfield in the first half but didn't create much when in possession. Missed two frees and landed another shot into the keeper's hands. 6
Joe McMahon: Was well tracked by Michael Foley who landed a great point. Guilty of landing a poor shot into the keeper's hands. Needs to improve his communication with Sean Cavanagh at kick-outs. 6
Martin Penrose: Used his speed to win possession and had a hand in three points. 6.5
Stephen O'Neill (Starman)
For all the talk about Tyrone's stunning team play, they still depend on their match-winners.
Luckily for Mickey Harte, he has a few men on whom he can rely.
While Sean Cavanagh shone in the Ulster final, the Moy man moved into a supporting role yesterday as O'Neill took centre stage. He chalked up 0-7, a tally that included five points from play.
Most importantly of all, he landed the pressure scores, namely the point which drew Tyrone level at 0-14 to 1-11, then the effort which gave them the lead. 9
Owen Mulligan: Looking his sharpest since 2005.
Played alongside Stephen O'Neill and landed three smashing points and provided the assist for another three. 8
Substitutes
Brian McGuigan: His intelligent distribution and composure in possession improved Tyrone in the second half.
The move for Tyrone's last point followed his wonderful high catch at midfield. 7
Sean O'Neill: Made a dramatic impact when introduced at half-back. Marked well, and had the pace to drive forward.
Rushed a shot when he should have scored a point. 7.5
Kildare Ratings
Tom Corley: Aimed most of his kick-outs at Dermot Earley to good effect. Didn't have any saves to make. 6.5
Hugh McGrillen: Despite getting roasted in the Leinster final, 'Geezer' placed a lot of faith in McGrillen to shadow Tyrone's top man, Stephen O'Neill. The Celbridge player made a couple of unforced errors and conceded five points from play. 4.5
Michael Foley: The Athy defender did well against Joe McMahon around the middle and probably shaded their duel. Hit a brilliant equalising point in the 59th minute. 7
Emmet Bolton: Suffered injury early on. Not on long enough to be rated.
Morgan O'Flaherty: Brian Dooher picked up several breaking balls in the opening half, but O'Flaherty did quite well in possession and tried to get forward a lot of times. 6
Brian Flanagan: Kildare's centre-back saw a lot of ball, but some of his early passing was disappointing. Kept Tommy McGuigan quiet, won a few breaks, but found Brian McGuigan more difficult to police. 6.5
Gary White: Came out second best against Owen Mulligan, who nabbed three points off him. Felled Sean Cavanagh in the 32nd minute that led to a pointed free and picked up a yellow card. 5.5
Daryl Flynn: Held his own in midfield and stuck like glue to Sean Cavanagh. Won a couple of breaks around the middle before tiring in the final 10 minutes. 7
Dermot Earley: Must be in the shake-up for the Player-of-the-Year gong after another imperious display.
Shuttled between the two 45s to great effect and led the Kildare challenge. Won mountains of possession. 8.5
James Kavanagh: Dominated Philip Jordan on the wing, showed a good pair of hands on a number of occasions and assisted for Kildare's goal. A strong display. 7.5
Padraig O'Neill: Didn't chip in with his usual couple of scores and found Ryan McMenamin hard to shake off.
A quiet enough game before his 44th minute withdrawal. 6
Ronan Sweeney: Showed good composure to slide the ball into Tyrone's goal in the 15th minute. Seemed robust enough for Conor Gormley before being surprisingly substituted in the 52nd minute. 6
Alan Smith: Gave Justin McMahon the slip on a couple of occasions in the first half and linked brilliantly with Doyle to score a point, but less influential in the second half. 6
Eamonn Callaghan: Hit a first half point and moved out the field to occupy Davy Harte. A diligent display before being called ashore. 6
Johnny Doyle: May not have been Kildare's main scorer this summer, but has still been exceptional.
Gave Davy Harte and PJ Quinn plenty to think about, hit an outstanding sideline point and two from play. 7
Substitutes
Andrew McLoughlin: An obvious replacement for the injured Bolton. Added pace to Kildare's backline and involved in his side's first half goal. 6.5
Ken Donnelly: Had a good campaign. Worked hard and won hard-earned possession. 6
Robert Kelly: Entered the fray for Sweeney, but not as effective as the man he replaced. 6
Kevin O'Neill: Worked hard around the middle. 5
Willie Heffernan: Not on long enough to be rated.
Tactical Take...
Tyrone
Tyrone problem's stemmed from the fact they were forced to play the first half in their own defence.
Pascal McConnell took the first six kick-outs of the game while his counterpart Tom Corley spectated from the other end of the ground.
A poor work-rate, sloppy shooting and over ambitious passing also contributed to Kildare's dominance.
Tyrone's greater conviction helped them turn the game in the second half. They also made a few smart moves. McConnell enjoyed success with short kick-outs while Sean O'Neill's introduction to wing-back help to nullify the influential James Kavanagh.
Kildare
Kildare didn't make any major defensive departures for the All-Ireland champions yesterday, but they weren't as direct as in previous outings, probably because they weren't allowed to be.
Kieran McGeeney's side played more laterally, with Dermot Earley sitting deep, but they retained possession quite well, especially in the opening half against Tyrone's swarming tactics.
The Lilywhites were turned over on a couple of notable occasions that led to Tyrone getting crucial scores. Michael Foley's roving role and tactical duel with Joe McMahon was a classic example of how Kildare have tried to copy Tyrone's template insofar as putting less emphasis on specific positions on the field.
'Geezer' might have tried a different man on Stephen O'Neill or made a change in his full-back line, but with Michael Conway ruled out and Emmet Bolton's early withdrawal, his bench options were limited. Tactically, Kildare matched Tyrone in most departments, but Tyrone's greater experience was the critical difference between the sides.
Key battle...
Kevin Hughes (Tyrone) v Dermot Earley (Kildare)
Dermot Earley delivered a measured display throughout, with Hughes (centre) constantly biting at his ankles. If anything, the towering Kildare midfielder played a more conservative game than in recent outings, but won countless aerial battles. Earley (far left) definitely shaded this eagerly-awaited match-up, catching seven balls from kick-outs in the second half, while both men picked up late bookings in what was generally an honest battle from start to finish.
Ref Watch...
Gearoid O Conamha (Galway Someone in Croke Park must really like the Galway official. Following a very questionable display in Aughrim, O Conamha was a strange choice for this huge game. Again, he didn't impress. He ignored a blatant foul on Stephen O'Neill in the first half. Kildare then suffered a similar experience with Alan Smith in the second half. After refusing to award Smith a free-kick, O Conamha appeared to submit to the howls of disapproval by penalising Ryan McMenamin for over carrying.
Should have issued far more yellow cards. He also missed minor indiscretions such as when a goal-kick from Pascal McConnell failed to go beyond the 20-metre line. He should also have over-ruled the umpire, who was the only man in the ground who believed that Kildare won a 45 late in the second half.
O Conamha might impress the assessors, but they stand alone.
Top Score...
There were some top drawer scores during yesterday's pulsating encounter. Mick Foley's lovely second half point was up there, so too were a couple of Mugsy's scores, but the best of the lot was arguably Johnny Doyle's wonderful 54th minute point.
Under serious pressure and off balance, Kildare's talisman collected the ball, sold a dummy to a couple of Tyrone defenders before hitting an instinctive shot over his shoulder. Brilliant.
Credit to both sides for providing a great contest. Very physical with plenty of quality football thrown in. Heart goes out to Kildare but Tyrone deserved their victory. Their mental strength is incredible. They also have defenders who are so comfortable on the ball going forward and attackers that are so adept at tackling and defender. They were cleaned out in the middle of the field today. I hope to God Early gets an allstar. Kinneavy is utterly incompetent. Of course Tyrone were cynical in their closing out of the match. All winning sides are. But its the ref's job to pull them up for this and he didnt. Early was consistently fouled in posession.... Hughes holding is hand behind his back for the kick out... Ricey trying to get his sent off when diving for a harmless finger tip contact but Kinneavy never acted on any of it until he booked Dermot for finally lashing out himself in frustration. In the last 10 minutes a number of poor ref decisions went against Kildare (why was the kildare defender penailised for being on all fours on the ground yet executing a perfect pick up and rising to his feet despite being surrounded by 3 tyrone forwards? ) and there should have been more time added on.
That being said Tyrone missed very scoreable frees that would have put them out of sight. And if there was more time added on I think they were in the ascendancy and would have hung on. Their next match v Cork should be the game of the year. Cork were awesome yesterday but Donegal were poor and Kerry have been proven to be poor. It's also worth nothing Limerick only narrowly failed to beat Cork in the munster final. On top of this the Kildare match gave the Tyrone the massive contest they needed to get through to identify their own weaknesses and correct them. Impossble to call this result...
Quote from: INDIANA on August 03, 2009, 10:57:46 AM
Enjoyable game- Kildare played quite well. Tyrone probably look a bit more vunerable this year than previous years. Cork have a chance.
If anything Id say they looked alot more vulnerable last year. They only really performed in the Semi and the Final, having been poor up until that point.
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on August 02, 2009, 11:00:00 PM
Relief!
First off i'm rather bemused at the comments about Tyrone obstructing frees and cynical tactics. Were you at the same game I was at? Kildare's persistant fouling was far more evident. Can't believe Early wasn't shown a yellow card for taking out Mulligan in the first half when he had him beat in front of the goals. Tyrone do this too but its at least punished with a yellow card.
Mc Geeney's tactics were far more evident in the Kildare players running (very close) in front to distract free takers and fouling players to break down attacks. I won't say Tyrone are entirely innocent, I didn't like Cavanagh knocking the ball out of the Kildare player's hands at the end, but jesus talk about pot calling the kettle black.
As for the boos, they were coming from the canal end (mostly) which was full of children, but I didn't like the cheering and flag waving at Tyrone's wides.
And if you want to start talking about missed chances, what about the 3 scoreable frees Tyrone missed in a row. Tyrone should have won by 5. Gormley was my MOTM, he was all over the forwards and as for "dark tactics" ffs Kildare gave as good as they got. What about Justy being dragged and held down before Ricey got blown for overcarrying. Not to sure about SON for MOTM, he had a poor first half, but you can't really argue with 7 points.
...And finally, no harm, lets hope that's Tommy McGuigan's starting place gone, too many bad performances, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who is full of dread everytime he steps up to take a free. Brian' has a great head, and never wastes possession. And what about that catch!
you must have been at the same match as me - couldn't agree more. The booing was disgraceful in the canal end & not from a minority, and certainly not because of unjustified frees. I thought the old Armagh tactics came to haunt Kildare in the second half when mcGeeney instilled a circle the wagons mentality instead of allowing them to push on. I don't think Kildare will improve beyond this in the future with the fear of winning mentality they had in the 2nd half. As for an allstar for Earley , no chance.
Quote from: SidelineKick on August 03, 2009, 11:07:50 AM
That smiling at someone is some tactic if you can be cool enough to do it! I'd have thumped him :D didnt see much wrong with it to be honest, better than slabbering at him.
All in all a very sporting game, little negativity, great football, great scores and 10/10 for entertainment value. One thing I admire about Tyrone ( :-\) is their ability to keep their cool at all times. Never did they go searching for a goal, which Kildare did towards the end, when only two kicks of the ball would have drawn it! Tyrone chipped away and eventually their game plan and style of football that would be practised night after night at training, came to the fore and they showed their class.
Still by no means the finished article, we could be in for a cracker of a semi final.
without wanting to start on the timekeeping debacle once again (well i do really), if there had been more than 1 minute injury time, they wouldn't have been forced to go for goal in those last few attacks.
Quote from: DennistheMenace on August 02, 2009, 10:49:14 PM
The jeering of the free-kicks doesn't really annoy me that much tbh, there is always going to be those idiots in the minority and also those who complain about it on an annual basis, especially when they lose funny enough.
I think that we (Tyrone) won - and jeering wide free kicks still annoys me.
Quote from: DCR on August 03, 2009, 12:03:04 PM
Quote from: DennistheMenace on August 02, 2009, 10:49:14 PM
The jeering of the free-kicks doesn't really annoy me that much tbh, there is always going to be those idiots in the minority and also those who complain about it on an annual basis, especially when they lose funny enough.
I think that we (Tyrone) won - and jeering wide free kicks still annoys me.
The jeering of the wides was not the worst. It was the constant jeering of the free kick taker that annoyed me most.
Constantly there was an air horn blasted just as the Tyrone kicker was swinging his leg. Absolute disgrace and it's what made me happiest when we won.
Quote from: mc_grens on August 03, 2009, 11:22:36 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 03, 2009, 10:57:46 AM
Enjoyable game- Kildare played quite well. Tyrone probably look a bit more vunerable this year than previous years. Cork have a chance.
If anything Id say they looked alot more vulnerable last year. They only really performed in the Semi and the Final, having been poor up until that point.
Midfield could be a problem for them this year. anyway I'm off now- enjoy the game.
Jonny Curran has no interest in football. He wouldnt be fit to name star players in any other counties. Wasnt able to name any players in Kildare team. FACT!
Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 03, 2009, 10:06:36 AM
I thought those where the only words we were allowed to say about tyrone anyway?
I thought it was a hanging offence to say anything else?
The thing that grates Pints is thats its invariably the same posters making the same hackneyed comments immediately after every Tyrone game. Strangely they dont pick up on these traits when they are seen in the games of other sides not do they seem capable of saying anything positive about Tyrone. It makes these posters look rather petty, small minded and somewhat obsessed. But everybody is entitled to an opinion.
As for the criticism from some quarters for Jordan and Tommy thats pretty harsh. How many bad games has Jordan had over the past decade? Tommy's place on the starting team was well earned and well deserved. Even if he doesnt start the next day he will be back to make a contribution. Delighted to see the brother doing so well yesterday, many players would have called it quits after the injuries in the realisation they probably couldnt play the same role in the team again. Instead through sheer hard work he has returned and is still able to have a huge influence on games in a slightly different role. Inspirational.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on August 03, 2009, 12:53:50 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 03, 2009, 10:06:36 AM
I thought those where the only words we were allowed to say about tyrone anyway?
I thought it was a hanging offence to say anything else?
The thing that grates Pints is thats its invariably the same posters making the same hackneyed comments immediately after every Tyrone game. Strangely they dont pick up on these traits when they are seen in the games of other sides not do they seem capable of saying anything positive about Tyrone. It makes these posters look rather petty, small minded and somewhat obsessed. But everybody is entitled to an opinion.
As for the criticism from some quarters for Jordan and Tommy thats pretty harsh. How many bad games has Jordan had over the past decade? Tommy's place on the starting team was well earned and well deserved. Even if he doesnt start the next day he will be back to make a contribution. Delighted to see the brother doing so well yesterday, many players would have called it quits after the injuries in the realisation they probably couldnt play the same role in the team again. Instead through sheer hard work he has returned and is still able to have a huge influence on games in a slightly different role. Inspirational.
LDA, you're only wasting your time ;)
Just in from the game. Tyrone won it by a whisker. Good decisions by Tony Donnelly & M Harte on the sideline.
Mcgeeney had tongue firmly in cheek when he said kildare didnt have that streak of badness necessary to win. From the 08 meeting in healy it was quite clear he was building kildare in his own image. The comments about how kildare should have won save for missing those last 3-4 chances also dont add up. Tyrone missed 3 v easy frees and overall had 31 scoring chances to kildares 24
Quote from: ross matt on August 03, 2009, 11:13:36 AM
Credit to both sides for providing a great contest. Very physical with plenty of quality football thrown in. Heart goes out to Kildare but Tyrone deserved their victory. Their mental strength is incredible. They also have defenders who are so comfortable on the ball going forward and attackers that are so adept at tackling and defender. They were cleaned out in the middle of the field today. I hope to God Early gets an allstar. Kinneavy is utterly incompetent. Of course Tyrone were cynical in their closing out of the match. All winning sides are. But its the ref's job to pull them up for this and he didnt. Early was consistently fouled in posession.... Hughes holding is hand behind his back for the kick out... Ricey trying to get his sent off when diving for a harmless finger tip contact but Kinneavy never acted on any of it until he booked Dermot for finally lashing out himself in frustration. In the last 10 minutes a number of poor ref decisions went against Kildare (why was the kildare defender penailised for being on all fours on the ground yet executing a perfect pick up and rising to his feet despite being surrounded by 3 tyrone forwards? ) and there should have been more time added on.
That being said Tyrone missed very scoreable frees that would have put them out of sight. And if there was more time added on I think they were in the ascendancy and would have hung on. Their next match v Cork should be the game of the year. Cork were awesome yesterday but Donegal were poor and Kerry have been proven to be poor. It's also worth nothing Limerick only narrowly failed to beat Cork in the munster final. On top of this the Kildare match gave the Tyrone the massive contest they needed to get through to identify their own weaknesses and correct them. Impossble to call this result...
:D :D Oh dear you should have held off on that post for another 4 hours or so!!
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on August 03, 2009, 12:53:50 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 03, 2009, 10:06:36 AM
I thought those where the only words we were allowed to say about tyrone anyway?
I thought it was a hanging offence to say anything else?
The thing that grates Pints is thats its invariably the same posters making the same hackneyed comments immediately after every Tyrone game. Strangely they dont pick up on these traits when they are seen in the games of other sides not do they seem capable of saying anything positive about Tyrone. It makes these posters look rather petty, small minded and somewhat obsessed. But everybody is entitled to an opinion.
As for the criticism from some quarters for Jordan and Tommy thats pretty harsh. How many bad games has Jordan had over the past decade? Tommy's place on the starting team was well earned and well deserved. Even if he doesnt start the next day he will be back to make a contribution. Delighted to see the brother doing so well yesterday, many players would have called it quits after the injuries in the realisation they probably couldnt play the same role in the team again. Instead through sheer hard work he has returned and is still able to have a huge influence on games in a slightly different role. Inspirational.
I wasn't talking about him over the last decade, I was talking about YESTERDAY! ::) Him staying on U believe could have gotten us beaten
Quote from: Take Your Points on August 03, 2009, 11:52:43 AM
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Is he going for the privates there?
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Quote from: Take Your Points on August 03, 2009, 11:52:43 AM
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Is he going for the privates there?
absolutely, send him to san quentin for 135 years
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Back of the hand!
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 03, 2009, 01:56:21 AM
Quote from: Bomber2312 on August 03, 2009, 01:31:44 AM
great game of football out there today, proper 1/4 final. fair play to kildare, they just made the one or two simple errors that are crucial in games.
tyrone deserved to win but could of lost
deromt early was just indescribeable......just unreal
white's discipline will stop him being a top footballer unless remedied
cavanagh was very quiet
if a dub had done what gourmely did he'd be hung. in my opinion and as i point out never met the man, he is a player whom i always see involved in incidents, he appears to me to be very sly and he does seem to get involved in the antics that are not favourable. i on viewing his performances i do not like the level that he operates at. before all of you jump down my throught, i dont know him and arent attacking him personally but to me as a neutral observer i feel that if mark vaughan acted like gourley today there would be a 87 page topic on those dirty dubs.
i'm not a dub but i really dont like the way gourley operated today.
ricey went down like a ton of bricks when early swung out
kildare did drag off the ball alot
kildare are missing a few crucial players
do tyrone have any alternatives in middle sector...none seemed tried today
dooher will be found out by the years end
well done tyrone, game versus rebels will be immense
I would be inclined to agree with that. Chalky showed last year for the 21s that he has all the attributes to be a top, top footballer but he needs to curb his tendency to fly off the handle. He had to carry a needless yellow card into the second half and as a result he couldn't be as tight on Mulligan. He has missed an awful lot of football this year though and if we can keep him injury free and get a good league campaign into him he should develop.
Presume you're talking about Gormley rather than Ciarán Gourley in the rest of your post. Gourley didn't even come on for Tyrone. Gormley plays the game on the edge and riles up the opposition players and supporters no end. I thought Roli Sweeney showed incredible restraint not to deck him, but to be honest we'd all love Gormley if he was one of our own. When Justin McMahon gallopped up the field for an insurance point, Brian Flanagan had the perfect opportunity to cut him off as he went for the return pass but he didn't. I've no doubt if it was the other way round and Mick Foley was running past Gormley he'd have been hauled down. Cynical - without doubt, but the point wouldn't have been conceded.
I'd say Pearse O'Neill might fancy his chances of putting manners on him!
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I think every neutral in the country will be willing him on in this crusade. He epitimosises all that is nasty and sneaky in gaelic football. Thinks he is a hardman but its all an act.
I'd say Pearse O'Neill might fancy his chances of putting manners on him!
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Good actor though all the same
Quote from: yellowcard on August 03, 2009, 06:56:31 PM
I think every neutral in the country will be willing him on in this crusade. He epitimosises all that is nasty and sneaky in gaelic football. Thinks he is a hardman but its all an act.
Learn to use the quotes properly on this board:
red card - off with you!
That was a hell of a score over the sideline by Johnny Doyle. :o
Quote from: Take Your Points on August 03, 2009, 11:52:43 AM
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Don't mind him Dermot boy - he's not fit to lace your boots
Quote from: Puckoon on August 03, 2009, 11:10:28 PM
That was a hell of a score over the sideline by Johnny Doyle. :o
Johnny also stole about 5 yards, as he did with most of his frees. Was a great effort though.
Archie, in fairness Joe McMahon does the same thing, but just because hes not going for a score, no one notices?
Probably, as do most free takers. Probably more noticeable when going for a score. You would think as it was a sideline ball, the officials would be able to judge if he stole yards or not. Not our Gerry though.
Personally, this was my favourite picture
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The come dancing element aside, knowing McGeeney the S&C on tape probably stood for strength and conditioning
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on August 03, 2009, 11:26:48 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on August 03, 2009, 11:10:28 PM
That was a hell of a score over the sideline by Johnny Doyle. :o
Johnny also stole about 5 yards, as he did with most of his frees. Was a great effort though.
Being allowed to go over the line for a line ball is one thing kind of bugs me. There is a fecking line, you should be kicking from behind it presumabely, yet the interpretation is 'a well sure run on there lad, don't be going to far now'. I was debating ambiguity or lack thereof with Hardy in another thread, but this is one from a restart were there is frigging line drawn on the field.
Am I wrong does the rule book say 'side-line kick to be taken on the pitch but within 2 or 3 yards of the side-line'
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 03, 2009, 09:18:21 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 03, 2009, 06:56:31 PM
I think every neutral in the country will be willing him on in this crusade. He epitimosises all that is nasty and sneaky in gaelic football. Thinks he is a hardman but its all an act.
Learn to use the quotes properly on this board: red card - off with you!
I'm terribly sorry. I notice you didn't put up any defence of your number 4 though. I'm presuming you can't defend his antics so.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 04, 2009, 09:38:07 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 03, 2009, 09:18:21 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 03, 2009, 06:56:31 PM
I think every neutral in the country will be willing him on in this crusade. He epitimosises all that is nasty and sneaky in gaelic football. Thinks he is a hardman but its all an act.
Learn to use the quotes properly on this board: red card - off with you!
I'm terribly sorry. I notice you didn't put up any defence of your number 4 though. I'm presuming you can't defend his antics so.
why would he defend Tyrones number 4 when the original comment was made about Connor Gormley?
Quote from: longball on August 03, 2009, 12:25:41 PM
Jonny Curran has no interest in football.
I'm glad MH ignored your advice about Stevie longball ;)
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on August 04, 2009, 09:59:31 AM
why would he defend Tyrones number 4 when the original comment was made about Connor Gormley?
Good point!
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 04, 2009, 10:00:32 AM
Quote from: longball on August 03, 2009, 12:25:41 PM
Jonny Curran has no interest in football.
I'm glad MH ignored your advice about Stevie longball ;)
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on August 04, 2009, 09:59:31 AM
why would he defend Tyrones number 4 when the original comment was made about Connor Gormley?
Good point!
Well that should have read number 6, it was a typing error. As for the number 4 well the same things apply to him anyway. You still can't defend Gormley though.
Quote from: tyssam5 on August 04, 2009, 04:58:00 AM
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on August 03, 2009, 11:26:48 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on August 03, 2009, 11:10:28 PM
That was a hell of a score over the sideline by Johnny Doyle. :o
Johnny also stole about 5 yards, as he did with most of his frees. Was a great effort though.
Being allowed to go over the line for a line ball is one thing kind of bugs me. There is a fecking line, you should be kicking from behind it presumabely, yet the interpretation is 'a well sure run on there lad, don't be going to far now'. I was debating ambiguity or lack thereof with Hardy in another thread, but this is one from a restart were there is frigging line drawn on the field.
Am I wrong does the rule book say 'side-line kick to be taken on the pitch but within 2 or 3 yards of the side-line'
If you had to kick the ball from behind the line the ball would be out of play before you kicked it.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 04, 2009, 10:39:16 AM
Well that should have read number 6, it was a typing error. As for the number 4 well the same things apply to him anyway. You still can't defend Gormley though.
You've little enough to be getting worked up about. Do you defend the goading of his opposite number?
Quote from: yellowcard on August 04, 2009, 10:39:16 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 04, 2009, 10:00:32 AM
Quote from: longball on August 03, 2009, 12:25:41 PM
Jonny Curran has no interest in football.
I'm glad MH ignored your advice about Stevie longball ;)
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on August 04, 2009, 09:59:31 AM
why would he defend Tyrones number 4 when the original comment was made about Connor Gormley?
Good point!
Well that should have read number 6, it was a typing error. As for the number 4 well the same things apply to him anyway. You still can't defend Gormley though.
defend Gormley for what?smiling at an opponent?
what did ricey do this time?
I can understand people taking issue with these players when they actually do something wrong(eg. the ricey/galvin incident), but when you trawl through a game to find the slightest thing so you can get a dig in , its a bit sad
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on August 04, 2009, 10:59:20 AM
I can understand people taking issue with these players when they actually do something wrong(eg. the ricey/galvin incident), but when you trawl through a game to find the slightest thing so you can get a dig in , its a bit sad
I think that this particular poster may be trying to set a record for the highest ratio of whinges per posts, and sure who better to whinge about than Tyrone! ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 04, 2009, 10:51:12 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 04, 2009, 10:39:16 AM
Well that should have read number 6, it was a typing error. As for the number 4 well the same things apply to him anyway. You still can't defend Gormley though.
You've little enough to be getting worked up about. Do you defend the goading of his opposite number?
I don't defend any type of goading no matter who it's from. This isn't an isolated incident involving this player. His ability as a footballer will always be tarnished by the antics throughout his career which he obviously deems necessary to give him an edge over his opponents. A decent footballer, yes, but his antics prevent him from being one to be admired.
I admire him.
QuoteI don't defend any type of goading no matter who it's from. This isn't an isolated incident involving this player. His ability as a footballer will always be tarnished by the antics throughout his career which he obviously deems necessary to give him an edge over his opponents. A decent footballer, yes, but his antics prevent him from being one to be admired.
If something gives you an edge, are you telling me you would not utilise that to your advantage? That's potentially the difference between winning and loosing, and I would be near certain that it's the attitude of the like of Conor Gormley that has resulted in him walking off the pitch a winner alot more often than a loser. He does not do anything that lots of other players are involved in now or in the past. His ability of a footballer will stand up there with the best of them, what exactly has he done that is so terrible that his legacy will be tarnished - I would say that a player who was clearly witnessed swinging an elbow (Dermot Earley) at an opposition player would have a greater chance of being remembered for the wrong reasons, if remembered at all.
Quote from: Zapatista on August 04, 2009, 11:37:48 AM
I admire him.
You see, that's the problem, people like you who actually admire the man.
Don't you remember the good old days when no one criticised us for that type of thing? When we rained on no one's parade, so that Kerry, Meath, Dublin, Down, etc., could win without worrying about the white and red; when we were universally admired for the great sports we were; when we never tired of the fruitless pursuit; and when we never won a bloody thing.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 04, 2009, 11:56:00 AM
Quote from: Zapatista on August 04, 2009, 11:37:48 AM
I admire him.
You see, that's the problem, people like you who actually admire the man.
Don't you remember the good old days when no one criticised us for that type of thing? When we rained on no one's parade, so that Kerry, Meath, Dublin, Down, etc., could win without worrying about the white and red; when we were universally admired for the great sports we were; when we never tired of the fruitless pursuit; and when we never won a bloody thing.
A bit like us these days then :(
Quote from: SidelineKick on August 04, 2009, 11:58:48 AM
A bit like us these days then :(
Except that the admiration isn't quite universal in your case ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 04, 2009, 11:56:00 AM
Quote from: Zapatista on August 04, 2009, 11:37:48 AM
I admire him.
You see, that's the problem, people like you who actually admire the man.
Don't you remember the good old days when no one criticised us for that type of thing? When we rained on no one's parade, so that Kerry, Meath, Dublin, Down, etc., could win without worrying about the white and red; when we were universally admired for the great sports we were; when we never tired of the fruitless pursuit; and when we never won a bloody thing.
Who says you have to resort to these antics to win All-Irelands. Surely you can win All-Irelands AND play the game in the right manner?
Quote from: yellowcard on August 04, 2009, 12:15:40 PM
Who says you have to resort to these antics to win All-Irelands. Surely you can win All-Irelands AND play the game in the right manner?
There's the ideal, and then there's the reality. The simple truth is that you'll play to your maximum advantage, and more often than not that will involve pushing at the boundaries of the legalities of the game, but that's just the way it works. And there are no (successful) teams without their boundary pushers.
i have great admiration for someone like conor gormley
he's always developing as a player and willing to try new things even if they don't become popular - like bringing the headed clearance into gaelic football in 2004 i think... ;)
Quote from: yellowcard on August 04, 2009, 12:15:40 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 04, 2009, 11:56:00 AM
Quote from: Zapatista on August 04, 2009, 11:37:48 AM
I admire him.
You see, that's the problem, people like you who actually admire the man.
Don't you remember the good old days when no one criticised us for that type of thing? When we rained on no one's parade, so that Kerry, Meath, Dublin, Down, etc., could win without worrying about the white and red; when we were universally admired for the great sports we were; when we never tired of the fruitless pursuit; and when we never won a bloody thing.
Who says you have to resort to these antics to win All-Irelands. Surely you can win All-Irelands AND play the game in the right manner?
sorry, i'm still struggling to see the issue you have with tyrone on sunday.
the game wasnt played in a bad spirit, although it had that slight edge that all good games have.
No one commited a really bad tackle, struck or did anything else that i would deem particularly dirty.(closest thing to this was Earlys swing at ricey)
both teams were physical,but again nothing overly untoward.Is your main problem really Gormleys smirk at his opponent?
I'd be quite happy for Tyrone to continue playing in the manner they did on sunday and keep winning all irelands, just as i would have no issue with Kerry , cork mayo or meath winning the AI the same way
Its not nice yellowcard but its the way of the world.
It would be lovely if everyone played fair all the time and nobody stretches the rules but if you've watched Gaelic games in the last 100 years at all you'll not so many AI winners that have went through the whole season without a cynical foul. Even look at Kilkenny last year in the final
Speaking of this can anyone tell me when was Tyrone's last red card in a championship match.
Can anyone give me any stats on red cards for the past 5 or 6 years?
I'd say its very few.
Quote from: Rick O Shea on August 04, 2009, 12:23:19 PM
i have great admiration for someone like conor gormley
he's always developing as a player and willing to try new things even if they don't become popular - like bringing the headed clearance into gaelic football in 2004 i think... ;)
:D :D very good rick!
think he near knocked himself out that day!
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 04, 2009, 12:12:37 PM
Quote from: SidelineKick on August 04, 2009, 11:58:48 AM
A bit like us these days then :(
Except that the admiration isn't quite universal in your case ;)
Is it even in existence?
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 04, 2009, 12:28:18 PM
Its not nice yellowcard but its the way of the world.
It would be lovely if everyone played fair all the time and nobody stretches the rules but if you've watched Gaelic games in the last 100 years at all you'll not so many AI winners that have went through the whole season without a cynical foul. Even look at Kilkenny last year in the final
Speaking of this can anyone tell me when was Tyrone's last red card in a championship match.
Can anyone give me any stats on red cards for the past 5 or 6 years?
I'd say its very few.
Last ones i can think of are o'neill & canavan in 2005 ulster final (which were both rescinded)
before that canavan v derry (cant remember the year)
i'm going back to 95 v derry to remember another one
certainly wouldnt be a bad disciplinary record in the championship
Cant believe Colly Cavanagh never even got out. sort it out MH! :P
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on August 04, 2009, 12:45:09 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 04, 2009, 12:28:18 PM
Its not nice yellowcard but its the way of the world.
It would be lovely if everyone played fair all the time and nobody stretches the rules but if you've watched Gaelic games in the last 100 years at all you'll not so many AI winners that have went through the whole season without a cynical foul. Even look at Kilkenny last year in the final
Speaking of this can anyone tell me when was Tyrone's last red card in a championship match.
Can anyone give me any stats on red cards for the past 5 or 6 years?
I'd say its very few.
Last ones i can think of are o'neill & canavan in 2005 ulster final (which were both rescinded)
before that canavan v derry (cant remember the year)
i'm going back to 95 v derry to remember another one
certainly wouldnt be a bad disciplinary record in the championship
I'm assuming you mean straight red?
Kevin Hughes 2006 in Omagh.
I'm shocked C Cavanagh didnt get on either, I wonder why this was.
It was weird to see Brolly bumming up Kerry and Spillane bumming up Tyrone over the weekend
I'd say Spillane is praying for a Kerry v Tyrone final just to get a good days arguing out of Brolly
QuoteSpeaking of this can anyone tell me when was Tyrone's last red card in a championship match.
Can anyone give me any stats on red cards for the past 5 or 6 years?
I'd say its very few.
Gormley against Armagh this year. 2005 Ulster Final Replay when SON was wrongly sent off (later rescinded) and Canavan was dismissed just after coming onto the pitch when he was dragged about by McKeever who for some reason only got a yellow card when he was the aggressor.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 04, 2009, 01:35:38 PM
It was weird to see Brolly bumming up Kerry and Spillane bumming up Tyrone over the weekend
I'd say Spillane is praying for a Kerry v Tyrone final just to get a good days arguing out of Brolly
Kerry is hoping for another shot at Tyrone because they will never be considered the great team they think they are as long as Tyrone keeps beating them in the games that count.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 04, 2009, 12:28:18 PM
Speaking of this can anyone tell me when was Tyrone's last red card in a championship match.
Can anyone give me any stats on red cards for the past 5 or 6 years?
I'd say its very few.
Gormley got lined for a second yellow late on against against Armagh. But I'm struggling to remember the last straight red in the championship. Probably was Hughes against Derry in '06 as yer man mentioned above. But that was against Derry... count the reds shown to Derry v Tyrone.
Did Canavan not get a straight red v Derry in Clones in 2001?
Quote from: 020304 Tir Eoghain on August 04, 2009, 02:12:50 PM
Did Canavan not get a straight red v Derry in Clones in 2001?
i seem to recall PTG being sent off in the 1996 ulster championship. was it against derry as well?
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 04, 2009, 11:51:46 AM
QuoteI don't defend any type of goading no matter who it's from. This isn't an isolated incident involving this player. His ability as a footballer will always be tarnished by the antics throughout his career which he obviously deems necessary to give him an edge over his opponents. A decent footballer, yes, but his antics prevent him from being one to be admired.
If something gives you an edge, are you telling me you would not utilise that to your advantage? That's potentially the difference between winning and loosing, and I would be near certain that it's the attitude of the like of Conor Gormley that has resulted in him walking off the pitch a winner alot more often than a loser. He does not do anything that lots of other players are involved in now or in the past. His ability of a footballer will stand up there with the best of them, what exactly has he done that is so terrible that his legacy will be tarnished - I would say that a player who was clearly witnessed swinging an elbow (Dermot Earley) at an opposition player would have a greater chance of being remembered for the wrong reasons, if remembered at all.
??? ???
Jaysus lads can yee all move on and get over it. As a Kildare supporter, I have. Have yee not got a semi-final to be looking forward to??
Fair play to you Hollow you have shown some good common sense and analysis over the past week.
We know we're no angels and dont pretend we are but at least you took your defeat well and as Mickey Harte said its probably the best challenge that has been put up to this Tyrone team for some time.
Both teams had their fair share of spoiling and had we lost we'd have been whinging about how players take out big Sean with all sorts of tactics but that's the nature of the game. In the semi final last year I had to listen to this family behind me, especially the mother whinge the whole game at the Northern Ref. McEnaney about every tackle being too robust as she couldn't get over the intensity at that level.
Well done and try not to balls up Leinster next year as McGeeney is a winner, even if I don't particular like the man & his methods sometimes.
Colm Cavanagh didn't get on cos big bro didn't get the scores required to trigger the clause in his contract
Quote from: tyronefan on August 04, 2009, 01:43:28 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 04, 2009, 01:35:38 PM
It was weird to see Brolly bumming up Kerry and Spillane bumming up Tyrone over the weekend
I'd say Spillane is praying for a Kerry v Tyrone final just to get a good days arguing out of Brolly
Kerry is hoping for another shot at Tyrone because they will never be considered the great team they think they are as long as Tyrone keeps beating them in the games that count.
What a nonsensical comment. It is obvious, especially after yesterday, that Kerry aren't bothered by what everyone else thinks. They know what kind of team they are and being beaten 3 times by Tyrone will hardly make them feel sorry for themselves. If they can win an AI and beat Tyrone along the way then obviously they will get that particular monkey off their back and I have no doubt they'd get a little bit more satisfaction beating them rather than anyone else, but another AI would show the entire country just how good a team they are, regardless of who they beat in the final.
Some Tyrone people care alot more about the fact that they've won the games against Kerry than Kerry do about losing them. As I said I'm sure Kerry would like to end all the talk about them not being able to beat Tyrone but its hardly a necessity for having another successful year.
Quote from: Rocky Mc Guigan on August 04, 2009, 03:00:57 PM
Colm Cavanagh didn't get on cos big bro didn't get the scores required to trigger the clause in his contract
Ah yes thats right, completely forgot about that.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 04, 2009, 02:47:21 PM
Fair play to you Hollow you have shown some good common sense and analysis over the past week.
We know we're no angels and dont pretend we are but at least you took your defeat well and as Mickey Harte said its probably the best challenge that has been put up to this Tyrone team for some time.
Both teams had their fair share of spoiling and had we lost we'd have been whinging about how players take out big Sean with all sorts of tactics but that's the nature of the game. In the semi final last year I had to listen to this family behind me, especially the mother whinge the whole game at the Northern Ref. McEnaney about every tackle being too robust as she couldn't get over the intensity at that level.
Well done and try not to balls up Leinster next year as McGeeney is a winner, even if I don't particular like the man & his methods sometimes.
Thanks for that Fuzzman. I doubt Kieran is that bothered what the good folk of Tyrone think of him!!
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 04, 2009, 02:47:21 PM
Fair play to you Hollow you have shown some good common sense and analysis over the past week.
Why don't ye just pull the shorts off him fuzz :D :D
He might end up getting the belt of a swinging elbow into his smig!
If the Dubs took a leaf out of Kildare's book they wouldn't be getting hockeyed every August.
Ye have learnt ye get no where wearing white and playing like a little angel with all out attack and no leaders on the field.
wonder how Kildare would have done against one of the other 3 Provincial winners
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 04, 2009, 03:48:42 PM
If the Dubs took a leaf out of Kildare's book they wouldn't be getting hockeyed every August.
Ye have learnt ye get no where wearing white and playing like a little angel with all out attack and no leaders on the field.
wonder how Kildare would have done against one of the other 3 Provincial winners
With a fully fit Conway, they'd give anybody a damn good game of it.
They are good enough on their day to beat anyone....even without Conway...
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Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 03, 2009, 09:54:19 AM
This is unbelievable, some tyrone supporters cannot accept any criticism of their team, cant even accept a discussion on the referees performance, it's just bizarre. Anyone who says anything negative must be "anti tyrone", and then you've got ziggy telling people to get over themselves!! The irony.
anyway, no point in letting the thread get bogged down, get over yourselves. :D
The irony? What's the irony? Jesus Pints, always about the negatives with you. Never seen you got positively about anyone on the board before, unless it was an xbox game.
As to the game, I thought this was as a good a performance as you'll see. First half was full of errors, but IMHO that's just down to a gap between the Ulster Final and the Quarter Final, but the the fact that they haven't been fully tested in Ulster this year. Once they got to grips with the game, it was vintage stuff.
McGeeney has done wonders for Kildare and I'm delighted he is staying with the, rather than taking the poison shalace that is Armagh. I see vast improvements from last year and I reckon they will be real contenders for Sam next year. Won't get it, but definitely a semi-final spot.
Anyone know why the game isn't on BBC iPlayer. I set it to record over the weekend and all I got was Ladies Golf >:(
The game is blanked out on the iPlayer menu, saying it's unavailable.
The Milk Cup is available...
Quote from: SidelineKick on August 04, 2009, 03:03:19 PM
Quote from: tyronefan on August 04, 2009, 01:43:28 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 04, 2009, 01:35:38 PM
It was weird to see Brolly bumming up Kerry and Spillane bumming up Tyrone over the weekend
I'd say Spillane is praying for a Kerry v Tyrone final just to get a good days arguing out of Brolly
Kerry is hoping for another shot at Tyrone because they will never be considered the great team they think they are as long as Tyrone keeps beating them in the games that count.
What a nonsensical comment. It is obvious, especially after yesterday, that Kerry aren't bothered by what everyone else thinks. They know what kind of team they are and being beaten 3 times by Tyrone will hardly make them feel sorry for themselves. If they can win an AI and beat Tyrone along the way then obviously they will get that particular monkey off their back and I have no doubt they'd get a little bit more satisfaction beating them rather than anyone else, but another AI would show the entire country just how good a team they are, regardless of who they beat in the final.
Some Tyrone people care alot more about the fact that they've won the games against Kerry than Kerry do about losing them. As I said I'm sure Kerry would like to end all the talk about them not being able to beat Tyrone but its hardly a necessity for having another successful year.
Just Curious what you base your opinion on what the kingdom think of Tyrone...I honestly believe you
might be a tad naive here, try being around more of them or worse still work with a pile of them, I think then
you'd see there actually is a fair bit of hurt between them and ourselves with regards to the Monkey ;D
Perhaps being around them may change what I think, however my point is:
If Kerry win the All Ireland this year and beat Cork in the final, it would not bother them that they didnt beat Tyrone. Would they prefer to beat them once and for all? No doubt about it, but an AI is an AI and Kerry would be happy to add another one to the collection, regardless of who they beat along the way.
Thats just my thoughts on it anyway.
Kerry would be delighted to win an AI this year, with or without meeting Tyrone. However it does grate on them that they haven't beaten Tyrone under Mickey Harte, or with this current group of players. Whether it's right or not, they won't consider themselves to be amongst the greats of Kerry until they do.
I get this from talking to plenty of Kerrymen, including a relative (by marriage) of Pat Spillane's.
Quote from: ziggysego on August 05, 2009, 07:03:24 PM
Kerry would be delighted to win an AI this year, with or without meeting Tyrone. However it does grate on them that they haven't beaten Tyrone under Mickey Harte, or with this current group of players. Whether it's right or not, they won't consider themselves to be amongst the greats of Kerry until they do.
I get this from talking to plenty of Kerrymen, including a relative (by marriage) of Pat Spillane's.
This team could never be a great Kerry team based on this year on one game!
Quote from: Eastern_Pride on August 05, 2009, 07:11:19 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on August 05, 2009, 07:03:24 PM
Kerry would be delighted to win an AI this year, with or without meeting Tyrone. However it does grate on them that they haven't beaten Tyrone under Mickey Harte, or with this current group of players. Whether it's right or not, they won't consider themselves to be amongst the greats of Kerry until they do.
I get this from talking to plenty of Kerrymen, including a relative (by marriage) of Pat Spillane's.
This team could never be a great Kerry team based on this year on one game!
I'm basing it on the fact they've made the last 6 All-Ireland Finals, not the game against Dublin.
Quote from: ziggysego on August 05, 2009, 07:03:24 PM
Kerry would be delighted to win an AI this year, with or without meeting Tyrone. However it does grate on them that they haven't beaten Tyrone under Mickey Harte, or with this current group of players. Whether it's right or not, they won't consider themselves to be amongst the greats of Kerry until they do.
I get this from talking to plenty of Kerrymen, including a relative (by marriage) of Pat Spillane's.
lucky fellow :D
Quote from: ziggysego on August 05, 2009, 04:57:48 PM
Anyone know why the game isn't on BBC iPlayer. I set it to record over the weekend and all I got was Ladies Golf >:(
The game is blanked out on the iPlayer menu, saying it's unavailable.
The Milk Cup is available...
Dont suppose anybody has a link for highlights ??? Was hoping to see it the Sunday Game on the RTE site which is supposed to be available from half 9 tonight but the quality is so poor its unwatchable.
Quick note to say well done to Martin Penrose on Sunday.
We don't do 'assists' in GAA but he was tops of the tree then.
In the weekend's Sunday Times Dara Ó Cinnéide made a characteristically well-judged point. "We go romancing about the rivalry (with Dublin) when we're winning. You won't hear a lot of talk about the rivalry with Tyrone though."
That's the cloud on Kerry's horizon; Dublin must simply wish that they could see theirs.
Of course Kerry want to win another AI and prove all those wrong that they're not a spent force with this current team.
However, you must be in denial if you can't see that Kerry really want to beat Tyrone before this decade is out and put to bed this team of the decade crap.
O Connor says in his book that his one regret is that he didn't beat tyrone. I would assume that is one of his reasons for taking the Kerry job again
My Kerry contacts (OK, OK, so they don't realise they're my Kerry contacts... like my Donegal pal's father-in-law), make no secret about the fact that Tyrone are the big fat elephant in their room. They see it as a real blot on their Championship landscape, and a boil that they would like nothing better than to lance. That doesn't mean that given the choice, they wouldn't rather win a Championship without meeting and beating Tyrone, but it does mean that there's a question-mark hanging over this Kerry team (in their eyes).
Anyway been away getting married so only getting around to posting on the board even if I did get the odd look in here and there, some good comments and obviously some churlish comments on the game as well.
Congrats to Tyrone, their defensive display in the 2nd half was the best I have seen in a long time, probably since Kildare at their peak under Micko when we hunted in packs.
I have no doubt it was experience and belief that beat us, I'm sure Kildare management know that the most important periods in a game tend to be just before half-time and just after Kildare are bi-polar when it comes to this, great coming up to half-time (Laois, Dublin, Wicklow and Tyrone) terrible after it and it's that 3rd quarter we are losing games.
My ambition was a Leinster Final and quarter-final this year, target achieved, next year I expect to win Leinster and at a minimum an All-Ireland semi but we need a couple more forwards and I think we are really starting to produce them, I was very impressed with Conor Mellet from Naas and Daniel Egan from Clane in the SFC last weekend and that was just from the 2 games I saw.
Anyway congrats to Tyrone, it will interesting to see how they cope with the man-mountains from Cork, Tyrone are definitely my favourites for the All-Ireland and I hope they do it.
Congratulations Dinny, and the best of luck to yourselves too.
Congratulations Dinny
Commisarations I mean congratulation Dinny
Its grand til the weans come along so take yer time ;D