It Must be Marching Season

[GTP]

OK someone tell me the end game here, how does this play out?

At present the only end game is they clear the road and 35 people walk along it. That is the legal position whether we agree or disagree and there is no reason for the OO to move away from it.
A court or the Secretary of State may change that position, but the current legal challenge seems a bit hit and hope.
I can't understand how the Parades Commission concluded that a limited parade of 60 at 12:45 wasn't permitted but it would be OK at 08:00 as it would reduce the disruption to residents. I also can't understand how they all agreed to it and at least one didn't resign at the insanity of it all.

[johnnycool]

No good way out of this.

They march then I dunno what anarchy that will cause. I actually think it would cause less anarchy than not marching because I think loyalist paramilitaries fingerprints are all over this and they don't march then there probably will be "profound" consequences as per their new spokesperson Lockhart 

For now, but if the ABOD weren't able to march through Derry due to the residents kicking up then we're into a whole different ball game.

From a nationalist POV, it's better to nip this in the bud now, prevent the Drumcree march, take whatever BS that comes from the loyalist community now, hopefully a few burned out buses with no one killed etc, because if the PSNI do force this down the road then the can is kicked towards Derry, Newry, and whatever towns with Nationalist majorities who will now pull out of any agreements that may be in place.

[bennydorano]

Surely the only way out of this is the 'once and done' scenario being floated about. If the residents are agreeable and its legally airtight, sin é.

[imtommygunn]

Is it legally airtight though?

[gallsman]

Surely the only way out of this is the 'once and done' scenario being floated about. If the residents are agreeable and its legally airtight, sin é.

There is surely no way Garvaghy residents or nationalism would trust that whatsoever in the absence of legislation. As it stands and as we know, each individual application to the PC is new and independent of all previous determinations.

[p3427977]

Michelle O'Neill spoke very well with Enda McGinley. Gavin Robinson would put you to sleep.

[AustinPowers]

Michelle O'Neill spoke very well with Enda McGinley. Gavin Robinson would put you to sleep.

Er, are you sure about that?

[93-DY-SAM]

Michelle O'Neill spoke very well with Enda McGinley. Gavin Robinson would put you to sleep.

Er, are you sure about that?

Enda McClafferty?

[marty34]

Marty, do you have any actual understanding of southern politics? Or geography for that matter? Have you ever spent much time in Dublin? Do you even know what a D4 type is, or are you using it as a catch all for anyone remotely middle class from Dublin?

Very, very few influential Irish politicians over the last 50 odd years have been D4ers. Fitzgerald, McDowell? Ruairi Quinn if you really want to stretch the definition of "influential". You know Mary Lou is privately educated and from South Dublin, yeah?

It was all going so well Gallsman.

[AustinPowers]

Michelle O'Neill spoke very well with Enda McGinley. Gavin Robinson would put you to sleep.

Er, are you sure about that?

Enda McClafferty?

That's who  I was thinking.  Unless she was consulting Enda McGinley  on defensive formations

[marty34]

Michelle O'Neill spoke very well with Enda McGinley. Gavin Robinson would put you to sleep.

Er, are you sure about that?

Enda McClafferty?

That's who  I was thinking.  Unless she was consulting Enda McGinley  on defensive formations

Maybe tactics. 

[gallsman]

Marty, do you have any actual understanding of southern politics? Or geography for that matter? Have you ever spent much time in Dublin? Do you even know what a D4 type is, or are you using it as a catch all for anyone remotely middle class from Dublin?

Very, very few influential Irish politicians over the last 50 odd years have been D4ers. Fitzgerald, McDowell? Ruairi Quinn if you really want to stretch the definition of "influential". You know Mary Lou is privately educated and from South Dublin, yeah?

It was all going so well Gallsman.

So just to confirm, you were shiteing on about stuff you obviously don't have the slightest clue about, yes?

[p3427977]

Michelle O'Neill spoke very well with Enda McGinley. Gavin Robinson would put you to sleep.

Er, are you sure about that?

Enda McClafferty?

Cheers and sorry

[David McKeown]

OK someone tell me the end game here, how does this play out?

At present the only end game is they clear the road and 35 people walk along it. That is the legal position whether we agree or disagree and there is no reason for the OO to move away from it.
A court or the Secretary of State may change that position, but the current legal challenge seems a bit hit and hope.
I can't understand how the Parades Commission concluded that a limited parade of 60 at 12:45 wasn't permitted but it would be OK at 08:00 as it would reduce the disruption to residents. I also can't understand how they all agreed to it and at least one didn't resign at the insanity of it all.

I'm not sure that is the correct legal position. It's a lot more complex and nuanced than that.

The position is there was a determination for Sunday. PSNI are obligated to try as far as is lawful to give effect to that determination for a reasonable period of time.

That determination has been frustrated by a protest. That protest may or may not be lawful.

PSNI are under an overriding obligation not to give effect to any determination if to do so would result in significant public disturbance. Similarly PSNI are bound by Article 2 not to act in anyway that would endanger the life of anyone including PSNI officers, OO members and protestors. If they can not do that then the law is that the parade can not proceed regardless of the determination.

To be clear I am not saying that the law does not require the march to take place. I am simply saying it may not but it's a complicated matter

[Armagh18]

Lads they aren't marching down the road in any shape or form so scrap that position for starters.