Tyrone County Football and Hurling

[NotedObserver]

Conor ONeill for the last 15 mins a level above and think could come into wing forward for the seniors straight away. McCullagh a massive miss for Tyrone

Really? I can't say I noticed him having much impact on the game until the 61st minute. His 2 big plays in injury time were impressive and the winning of the game but I think for his level of experience and ability he should have been doing more throughout the game. Thought his midfield partner Donaghy was quietly effective. Its hard to know what O'Neills best position will be. He done very well at 6 for QUB in the Sigerson and we are crying out for someone there.

. He has good feet and an eye for goal so as long as he can get forward from there as well. Was at the McKenna cup game v Armagh and his size and coolness on the ball was impressive for a debut 

[square_ball]

Conor ONeill for the last 15 mins a level above and think could come into wing forward for the seniors straight away. McCullagh a massive miss for Tyrone

Really? I can't say I noticed him having much impact on the game until the 61st minute. His 2 big plays in injury time were impressive and the winning of the game but I think for his level of experience and ability he should have been doing more throughout the game. Thought his midfield partner Donaghy was quietly effective. Its hard to know what O'Neills best position will be. He done very well at 6 for QUB in the Sigerson and we are crying out for someone there.

. He has good feet and an eye for goal so as long as he can get forward from there as well. Was at the McKenna cup game v Armagh and his size and coolness on the ball was impressive for a debut 

Yeah I like him he has a bit of class about him.

Conor Devlin too has a bit of toughness about him. He'd make a good corner back for seniors like his Da.

[Topoftheworld]

after winning the recent u20 all irelands we wanted Ruairi Canavan, Michael McGleenan, Michael Rafferty and Shea O'Hare to name a few starting for the seniors instantly. I dont think its as clear cut to say a brilliant u20 player at 19 or 20 years old is ready to start or even play for the senior team. It takes time. Even DC took a few years to get up to speed and show at that level. Our better players against Armagh - Conn & McKernan are both 28/29. They won the All Ireland when they were 23/24 so I do think it takes that 2-3 years of training, learning, and conditioning after u20. McElholm is absolutely unreal, unmarkable at u20 level last year, and even he is finding the going tough this year. But itll come

[NotedObserver]

after winning the recent u20 all irelands we wanted Ruairi Canavan, Michael McGleenan, Michael Rafferty and Shea O'Hare to name a few starting for the seniors instantly. I dont think its as clear cut to say a brilliant u20 player at 19 or 20 years old is ready to start or even play for the senior team. It takes time. Even DC took a few years to get up to speed and show at that level. Our better players against Armagh - Conn & McKernan are both 28/29. They won the All Ireland when they were 23/24 so I do think it takes that 2-3 years of training, learning, and conditioning after u20. McElholm is absolutely unreal, unmarkable at u20 level last year, and even he is finding the going tough this year. But itll come

Would agree. The only reason I would think Oneill could get game time in wing positions as we are struggling there a bit at the moment

[RedHand88]

If 2 division 3 teams reach their provincial finals, we won't even be in the Sam Maguire.

[TyroneTam]

If 2 division 3 teams reach their provincial finals, we won't even be in the Sam Maguire.

This might happen in Munster but won't be close to happening in the other 3 provences

[barelegs]

after winning the recent u20 all irelands we wanted Ruairi Canavan, Michael McGleenan, Michael Rafferty and Shea O'Hare to name a few starting for the seniors instantly. I dont think its as clear cut to say a brilliant u20 player at 19 or 20 years old is ready to start or even play for the senior team. It takes time. Even DC took a few years to get up to speed and show at that level. Our better players against Armagh - Conn & McKernan are both 28/29. They won the All Ireland when they were 23/24 so I do think it takes that 2-3 years of training, learning, and conditioning after u20. McElholm is absolutely unreal, unmarkable at u20 level last year, and even he is finding the going tough this year. But itll come

Would agree. The only reason I would think Oneill could get game time in wing positions as we are struggling there a bit at the moment

I don't necessarily agree. Physically O'Neill is more prepared that Ruairi, O'Hare or Rafferty where/ are. This is his third year at midfield for the U20s. He's the same age as Finnbarr Roarty who's established himself for Donegal. We aren't winning the All Ireland this year - we don't have much to lose.

He's played senior already earlier this year and looked more comfortable in the games he did get than most of the other young players thrown in. His performances for Queens in the Sigerson were exceptional. I'd have no hesitation in giving him an extended run.

I wouldn't say that for all the younger players but I think you can make exceptions

[O’neill Army]

after winning the recent u20 all irelands we wanted Ruairi Canavan, Michael McGleenan, Michael Rafferty and Shea O'Hare to name a few starting for the seniors instantly. I dont think its as clear cut to say a brilliant u20 player at 19 or 20 years old is ready to start or even play for the senior team. It takes time. Even DC took a few years to get up to speed and show at that level. Our better players against Armagh - Conn & McKernan are both 28/29. They won the All Ireland when they were 23/24 so I do think it takes that 2-3 years of training, learning, and conditioning after u20. McElholm is absolutely unreal, unmarkable at u20 level last year, and even he is finding the going tough this year. But itll come

There's multiple examples over the last couple of decades of brilliant underage footballers that didn't cut it at senior level. For example Kyle coney, Peter Donnelly, Ryan Pickering, Niall McKenna, David Mulgrew, Marc Cunningham etc. The likes of Kennedy, Hampsey, kilpatrick, Cormac Quinn, Niall devlin, O'Donnell etc weren't necessarily stand out underage players but are now important senior players.

[ClubScene13]

after winning the recent u20 all irelands we wanted Ruairi Canavan, Michael McGleenan, Michael Rafferty and Shea O'Hare to name a few starting for the seniors instantly. I dont think its as clear cut to say a brilliant u20 player at 19 or 20 years old is ready to start or even play for the senior team. It takes time. Even DC took a few years to get up to speed and show at that level. Our better players against Armagh - Conn & McKernan are both 28/29. They won the All Ireland when they were 23/24 so I do think it takes that 2-3 years of training, learning, and conditioning after u20. McElholm is absolutely unreal, unmarkable at u20 level last year, and even he is finding the going tough this year. But itll come

There's multiple examples over the last couple of decades of brilliant underage footballers that didn't cut it at senior level. For example Kyle coney, Peter Donnelly, Ryan Pickering, Niall McKenna, David Mulgrew, Marc Cunningham etc. The likes of Kennedy, Hampsey, kilpatrick, Cormac Quinn, Niall devlin, O'Donnell etc weren't necessarily stand out underage players but are now important senior players.

I think Kennedy, Kilpatrick and McKernan were all on the bench for Tyrone minors about 10/11 years ago in championship in a team that only really David Mulgrew played any senior football for Tyrone out of. It was the game when Declan Bonner alleged the really over the line sledging against a Tyrone minor which was complete unfounded, some boy

[cjx]

after winning the recent u20 all irelands we wanted Ruairi Canavan, Michael McGleenan, Michael Rafferty and Shea O'Hare to name a few starting for the seniors instantly. I dont think its as clear cut to say a brilliant u20 player at 19 or 20 years old is ready to start or even play for the senior team. It takes time. Even DC took a few years to get up to speed and show at that level. Our better players against Armagh - Conn & McKernan are both 28/29. They won the All Ireland when they were 23/24 so I do think it takes that 2-3 years of training, learning, and conditioning after u20. McElholm is absolutely unreal, unmarkable at u20 level last year, and even he is finding the going tough this year. But itll come

It takes a lot of care to bring on u20s to Senior properly/fairly to max. benefit for all.   l don't think McElholm has been well served by senior manangement. AI semi instead of 40 minutes of Harte to soften Kerry up McElholm starts.
Then he is held back to cameo sub. Then he starts against Armagh when he should have been a sub for McCurry who has clearly lost his edge after wonderful service. Of course nearly all u20 stars need 3-5 years to find their feet as Seniors so care needed not dumping them in. And bringing on those young fellas against Armagh in last quarter does not look thought out just hopeful desperation.

Need more care and more plans or Tyrone will waste/turn off loads of talent. Management seems unplanned and just reactive in so much and that is sure to put young talent off.

[In hiding]

after winning the recent u20 all irelands we wanted Ruairi Canavan, Michael McGleenan, Michael Rafferty and Shea O'Hare to name a few starting for the seniors instantly. I dont think its as clear cut to say a brilliant u20 player at 19 or 20 years old is ready to start or even play for the senior team. It takes time. Even DC took a few years to get up to speed and show at that level. Our better players against Armagh - Conn & McKernan are both 28/29. They won the All Ireland when they were 23/24 so I do think it takes that 2-3 years of training, learning, and conditioning after u20. McElholm is absolutely unreal, unmarkable at u20 level last year, and even he is finding the going tough this year. But itll come

It takes a lot of care to bring on u20s to Senior properly/fairly to max. benefit for all.   l don't think McElholm has been well served by senior manangement. AI semi instead of 40 minutes of Harte to soften Kerry up McElholm starts.
Then he is held back to cameo sub. Then he starts against Armagh when he should have been a sub for McCurry who has clearly lost his edge after wonderful service. Of course nearly all u20 stars need 3-5 years to find their feet as Seniors so care needed not dumping them in. And bringing on those young fellas against Armagh in last quarter does not look thought out just hopeful desperation.

Need more care and more plans or Tyrone will waste/turn off loads of talent. Management seems unplanned and just reactive in so much and that is sure to put young talent off.

I think you'd be a brilliant manager.
You seem to know exactly what to do and how to handle the young lads better than the current management.

[RedHand88]

If 2 division 3 teams reach their provincial finals, we won't even be in the Sam Maguire.

This might happen in Munster but won't be close to happening in the other 3 provences

Division 3 Westmeath are 1 game away from the Leinster final, after pulling off a big shock today against Meath.
Tyrone in the Tailteann is well and truly on.

[An Watcher]

By my reckoning, 3 teams from Div 3 or Div 4 have to make their provincial final to put tyrone into the Tailteann.  Kildare won the Tailteann last year so they qualify also.
It cant happen in Ulster and im going to stay that it wont happen in connacht unless leitrim beat galway.
In Munster, Westmeath have to beat Kildare which is s very real possibility.
There is the possibility of Clare and/or Tipp in Munster beating Cork n Kerry.  Ill say one provides a major shock.
I think we're safe enough yet unless Galway or Kerry slip up.