Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification

[thebigfullforward]

"Murphy to face no further punishment over Casey incident" from RTE. Did we see the same clip as the ones that make these decisions

[trueblue1234]

Instead of the 7 ( or 8?) bleating here

You deserve what the late Paudi O'Shea dished out to Joe McNally at the start of 1984 AI Final - a kick up rear end.

They really should bring back the like button!

[The Boy Wonder]

"The remit was that Gaelic football, one of the four codes within the association will be the most exciting amateur game in the world to play and watch"
1 v1 throw ins does nothing to achieve this and has the possibly unique aspect to any field sport of making a player start off the playing field. If it was a 1v1 they wished to achieve then the two other midfielders could be on the field together behind the throw at a distance and be unable to compete for the ball prior to it being touched.
2 pointer – creates an unnatural scoring zone which to my viewing affects the tactical approach of a lot of teams – they don't or won't push out for fear of conceding a 2 point free. Teams can then handpass aimlessly around the arc. Also punishes fouls occurring further from goals disproportionately e.g. 2 two point frees scored by Donegal U20s last night – one for over carrying the other maybe a high tackle on edge of arc. Neither foul was twice as bad for having been committed one foot the other side of a line.
Forward mark – remains in place but modified to make it harder to obtain therefore discouraging its use – As the original objective was, I believe, to encourage the high catch, one of the aims of the FRC, the change is contradictory to the objective. Also, with an advantage rule no one really has a grasp of making it more confusing for spectators.
Kick out rule – No pass back to goalkeeper allows for a fair contest from short kickouts and could provide for a better spectacle given the risk / reward of a variety of long and short kicking.
"𝗧𝗵𝗲 𝘁𝗼𝗽 𝟱 𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗴𝘀 𝗽𝗲𝗼𝗽𝗹𝗲 𝗹𝗶𝗸𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝘀𝗲𝗲, 𝗸𝗶𝗰𝗸-𝗽𝗮𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗻𝗴, 𝗹𝗼𝗻𝗴 𝗿𝗮𝗻𝗴𝗲 𝘀𝗰𝗼𝗿𝗲𝘀, 𝗴𝗼𝗮𝗹 𝘀𝗰𝗼𝗿𝗶𝗻𝗴, 𝗵𝗶𝗴𝗵 𝗳𝗶𝗲𝗹𝗱𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗰𝗿𝗲𝗮𝘁𝗶𝘃𝗶𝘁𝘆" Jim Gavin
Gaelic Football is better, but the rule changes were not properly tested, and too many came in at once for anyone to know what affect they have individually and collectively. I haven't noticed a considerable increase in kick passing but maybe the stats sow different. Long range scores, we have had an increase, from my viewing, but is it at expense of actual scores, bigger totals doesn't mean more entertainment, again maybe there are stats to show the number of times the ball goes in the net and over the bar have increased. Goal scoring may have increased are the stats being published to prove the point and if it has, do they know which rule change has had the desired effect? Breaking ball at kickouts seems more frequent than high fielding. Creativity probably can't be measure but I can't think of any teams that pundits are saying are more creative as a result of the rule changes.
So I remain unconvinced the objectives have been achieved or that the FRC ended up with the best rules possible.

Back to topic - very good post above.

[J70]

We tried the handpass limit rule before, it was brutal tbh

I remember us playing Derry in a league final one year in the mid-90s when they trialed a prohibition on consecutive hand passes.

Derry were just herding us into blind alleyways down the wing and repeatedly turning us over by blocking off footpass options for players that had spend their entire football lives handpassing.

[Milltown Row2]

What was Clifford's goal haul in a season before the rules compared to the rules?

[David McKeown]

"Murphy to face no further punishment over Casey incident" from RTE. Did we see the same clip as the ones that make these decisions

The only way further action could have been taken is if the referee confirmed that neither he nor his team saw the incident. Be pretty hard to claim that given Murphy was booked and Gough intimated it was for striking.

[AustinPowers]

More and more  people obviously seeing through these  stupid and needless new rules.

As EoinW says , was it the intention of the rules to drag Clifford out 60 yards from goal? Probably not , but that's  what teams have found to be  more advantageous . I'm sure Kerry fans are lapping it up, all these 2 pointers from Clifford.  I don't blame them I  suppose , as that's what will win Kerry games and that's all they're concerned with

I'm sure if a player  got 5 points for capturing the corner flag , their fans would lap that up too.

I've yet to meet a person in the real world who speaks ill of the new rules.

There's obviously a few disenchanted on here, plus there's the blue ticks wums on Twitter who will say anything to get a rise.

But in the real world, no.

Is there still confusion in the real world about the breach / 3 up rule? Yes. But they all know why we need it. Mostly people are just enjoying football. 

You need to speak  to more people then

I've spoke to many in "the real world"  who  can't abide many of the rules.

However, I haven't heard  any disliking the tap and go  . It's been a good success, most  see that.  But the others have been  very divisive in my experience

[Wildweasel74]

The hooter set up a balls, a 2pt free also not worth 2pts.

[gallsman]

If you accept the 2 pointer, you have to accept 2 point frees, otherwise teams will systematically foul outside the arc.

[Armagh18]

Any argument for scrapping the arc and letting 2 pointers be from beyond the 45 only?

[EoinW]

If you accept the 2 pointer, you have to accept 2 point frees, otherwise teams will systematically foul outside the arc.

They could do what basketball does on 3 pt fouls - one must be in the act of shooting when fouled for it to be a 2 pt free.

[Wildweasel74]

I rather 2pter be outside the 45 alright, might be rare enough scores, but big score like N Grimley point fews yrs bck.

[The Boy Wonder]

Any argument for scrapping the arc and letting 2 pointers be from beyond the 45 only?

That might be a decent compromise.

Defenders would have to push out further resulting in fewer 2 point attempts, less back & forth handpassing and more conventional attacking play.

[gallsman]

I rather 2pter be outside the 45 alright, might be rare enough scores, but big score like N Grimley point fews yrs bck.

In the final? Grimley was inside the 45. At most he'd have been a few yards beyond the new arc.

[shawshank]

Two points from kicking the ball over the bar outside the 40 metre arc, where you are under physical or potential physical contact or a block, yes I'm all for it. But not under no physical contact and getting time to execute your technique for a 2 pointer free. Think its just unfair. However I realise if frees were not two pointers team would foul alot more to reduce two pointer opportunities  so I settled what was best for the game and accept the two pointer free. But the two point free when the ball has been brought forward fifty metres, then you get to take the ball back outside the arc for a two pointer is just an abomination. I watched a number of club games last year in the cship where the breach was questionable or the ref decides you haven't given the ball quickly enough or the attacking player cons a ref on the tap and go, and the ball then moved 50m and then to put oil on the fire they get the two pointer option ffs, no way.