Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification

[EoinW]

David if you've rewatched the game multiple times then you can't have missed the commentators talking about the pigeons.

Yes. During an AI final they were talking about pigeons. Because nothing else was happening.

See how good the 2024 Final was.  The pigeons didn't want to miss it!

[EoinW]

I wandered in 2011 and I was comfortable with the game from 2011-24.  Last year was a shock to my system.  it was like someone overturned the table and sent all the game pieces flying.

Point being, we all have different backgrounds and different reasons for what we like and don't like.  I'm a traditionalist and have seen it abandoned in practically every sport I grew up watching.  Therefore so many massive changes all at once will set my alarm bell ringing.  Bottomline: I liked the game - if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

My other concern is this 21st century habit of equating high scores with more excitement, meaning more fans and more money for those running the game.  In golf it's the reverse, striving for record low scores to sell the game.  Seeing how the new rules have increased scoring makes me suspicious of an ulterior motive.

Maybe it's just me but I thought the problem was defined as being too mush possession(too many hand passes).  I don't see how the new rules addressed that issue.  In fact, wouldn't it have been easier to go back to a STRICT enforcement of overcarrying.  I've watched games from the 1970s/1980s.  They don't look anything like the modern game.

To be honest, abandoning the backdoor system, replacing it with what was basically a 16 team Champions League, offended me more than the rule changes.  Like I mentioned, I'm a traditionalist.

[J70]

David if you've rewatched the game multiple times then you can't have missed the commentators talking about the pigeons.

Yes. During an AI final they were talking about pigeons. Because nothing else was happening.

They make one reference to the pigeon after the game restarts from the stoppage for clearing the pigeon.  Its not reflective of the game as a whole. Fitzmaurice at one stage called in the best final in recent memory.  Certainly it was far superior to last years affair

Was it not a seagull?

Fact of the matter is 1 out of 7 knockout games from the qf on last year were good games.

What was the good game?

Personally, I thoroughly enjoyed Meath-Galway, Donegal-Monaghan and Kerry-Armagh.

I enjoyed our semi against Meath for personal reasons, although that was obviously very one-sided.

But the two Tyrone games were not very competitive, neither was the final.

I don't see any of that down being to the rules though.

The job Kerry did on Armagh in that second half was one of the most fascinating periods of football I've seen in a long time. I expect, for neutrals, that their similar demo job on us in the first 20 minutes of the final was similar.

[Armagh18]

David if you've rewatched the game multiple times then you can't have missed the commentators talking about the pigeons.

Yes. During an AI final they were talking about pigeons. Because nothing else was happening.

They make one reference to the pigeon after the game restarts from the stoppage for clearing the pigeon.  Its not reflective of the game as a whole. Fitzmaurice at one stage called in the best final in recent memory.  Certainly it was far superior to last years affair

Was it not a seagull?

Fact of the matter is 1 out of 7 knockout games from the qf on last year were good games.

What was the good game?

Personally, I thoroughly enjoyed Meath-Galway, Donegal-Monaghan and Kerry-Armagh.

I enjoyed our semi against Meath for personal reasons, although that was obviously very one-sided.

But the two Tyrone games were not very competitive, neither was the final.

I don't see any of that down being to the rules though.

The job Kerry did on Armagh in that second half was one of the most fascinating periods of football I've seen in a long time. I expect, for neutrals, that their similar demo job on us in the first 20 minutes of the final was similar.

Meath Galway was a good game.

I personally don't want to see hammerings and games that are over with 10 minutes to go. Under the old rules, in last years quarter final/final against Kerry, Armagh/Donegal could have got a kick out away and would have  left the game interesting rather than kicking out a 50/50 ball to a team with their tails up and momentum behind them, similar applies to the league final at the weekend.

I'd rather a game that goes down to the wire like the semi finals/final in 2024 than those 3 examples mentioned. Kerry/Donegal/Armagh are all teams on a similar level and games should be coming down to a score or 2 either way and right down to the wire, rather than 3 tankings where the game was over long before the final whistle.

I'd happily go back to the old rules, keep the solo and go, strictly enforce the steps rule and properly define the tackle allowing for more contact, would go a long way to improving the game. 

[Milltown Row2]

Say we dropped the steps to 3 only.. and be real strict with it, would mean releasing the ball quicker?

[J70]

Say we dropped the steps to 3 only.. and be real strict with it, would mean releasing the ball quicker?

You're one of the people who'd have to police changing a basic skill of the game that is muscle memory for every player at every level.

[Armagh18]

Say we dropped the steps to 3 only.. and be real strict with it, would mean releasing the ball quicker?

You're one of the people who'd have to police changing a basic skill of the game that is muscle memory for every player at every level.

Is it? Most players take 5 or 6 if not more.

[Milltown Row2]

Say we dropped the steps to 3 only.. and be real strict with it, would mean releasing the ball quicker?

You're one of the people who'd have to police changing a basic skill of the game that is muscle memory for every player at every level.

Yeah but if we are looking to reduce time players have on the ball and get them to release it quick, that one change would quicken up play, not saying that would benefit what people are looking, as it would have to be put into practice

[JoG2]

I wandered in 2011 and I was comfortable with the game from 2011-24.  Last year was a shock to my system.  it was like someone overturned the table and sent all the game pieces flying.

Point being, we all have different backgrounds and different reasons for what we like and don't like.  I'm a traditionalist and have seen it abandoned in practically every sport I grew up watching.  Therefore so many massive changes all at once will set my alarm bell ringing.  Bottomline: I liked the game - if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

My other concern is this 21st century habit of equating high scores with more excitement, meaning more fans and more money for those running the game.  In golf it's the reverse, striving for record low scores to sell the game.  Seeing how the new rules have increased scoring makes me suspicious of an ulterior motive.

Maybe it's just me but I thought the problem was defined as being too mush possession(too many hand passes).  I don't see how the new rules addressed that issue.  In fact, wouldn't it have been easier to go back to a STRICT enforcement of overcarrying.  I've watched games from the 1970s/1980s.  They don't look anything like the modern game.

To be honest, abandoning the backdoor system, replacing it with what was basically a 16 team Champions League, offended me more than the rule changes.  Like I mentioned, I'm a traditionalist.

Rugby league might be worth pursuing?

[David McKeown]

David if you've rewatched the game multiple times then you can't have missed the commentators talking about the pigeons.

Yes. During an AI final they were talking about pigeons. Because nothing else was happening.

They make one reference to the pigeon after the game restarts from the stoppage for clearing the pigeon.  Its not reflective of the game as a whole. Fitzmaurice at one stage called in the best final in recent memory.  Certainly it was far superior to last years affair

Was it not a seagull?

Fact of the matter is 1 out of 7 knockout games from the qf on last year were good games.

What was the good game?

Personally, I thoroughly enjoyed Meath-Galway, Donegal-Monaghan and Kerry-Armagh.

I enjoyed our semi against Meath for personal reasons, although that was obviously very one-sided.

But the two Tyrone games were not very competitive, neither was the final.

I don't see any of that down being to the rules though.

The job Kerry did on Armagh in that second half was one of the most fascinating periods of football I've seen in a long time. I expect, for neutrals, that their similar demo job on us in the first 20 minutes of the final was similar.

I think this is my point and I'm speaking generally and not about you specifically but there seems to be an almost cult like zeal that when games are good at the minute it's because of the new rules but when they aren't it's nothing to do with rules.

Apart from the solo and go I see very little positive and plenty of negatives. That said I can understand that may not be the majority opinion.

[J70]

Say we dropped the steps to 3 only.. and be real strict with it, would mean releasing  the ball quicker?

You're one of the people who'd have to police changing a basic skill of the game that is muscle memory for every player at every level.

Is it? Most players take 5 or 6 if not more.

So you're saying I'm understating the difficulties of enforcing three steps when we can't even enforce the four steps players grew up learning and practicing?

[Milltown Row2]

Say we dropped the steps to 3 only.. and be real strict with it, would mean releasing  the ball quicker?

You're one of the people who'd have to police changing a basic skill of the game that is muscle memory for every player at every level.

Is it? Most players take 5 or 6 if not more.

So you're saying I'm understating the difficulties of enforcing three steps when we can't even enforce the four steps players grew up learning and practicing?

But you'd agree that less time on the ball might, might just speed up the game?

[Armagh18]

Say we dropped the steps to 3 only.. and be real strict with it, would mean releasing  the ball quicker?

You're one of the people who'd have to police changing a basic skill of the game that is muscle memory for every player at every level.

Is it? Most players take 5 or 6 if not more.

So you're saying I'm understating the difficulties of enforcing three steps when we can't even enforce the four steps players grew up learning and practicing?

All I said was the 4 steps doesn't seem to be muscle memory given that most players take more!