Tyrone County Football and Hurling

[tiempo]

For the amount of deputy GK who never got a look in even in McKenna Cup as Niall started virtually every game, its a shame to see the toys thrown out when he's expected to take a reserve role for a game or 2

If there's issues with mgmt/method fair enough to some extent, but players the world over in all codes rarely look in the mirror to see what they can do to improve, possibly a systems failure on multiple fronts at this point, players mgmt. board

Paul Donnelly or Peter Canavan to follow on?

[Truthsayer]

For the amount of deputy GK who never got a look in even in McKenna Cup as Niall started virtually every game, its a shame to see the toys thrown out when he's expected to take a reserve role for a game or 2

If there's issues with mgmt/method fair enough to some extent, but players the world over in all codes rarely look in the mirror to see what they can do to improve, possibly a systems failure on multiple fronts at this point, players mgmt. board

Paul Donnelly or Peter Canavan to follow on?

Do you mean Paul Devlin?
Peter won't want that gig. May row in behind them now as management isn't going to be dumped before the championship

[93-DY-SAM]

Ive heard before that MOR is very hands off with regards training etc. Players don't have many conversations with him.
Don't know how true that is but maybe this is a gripe of the current players.

A few of the Tyrone boys spent the last few years throwing stones in the direction of Derry, esp. when Malachy snubbed the Derry job. Life comes at you fast.

Don't fool yourself that ciaran Meenagh wouldn't swap for Malachys job in the morning pal

Ha. I'm not the one under any illusions. If you listen to Ciaran and the way he talks about those lads he's going nowhere in the morning.

Looks like Malachy is back to being the Fermanagh man.

[CookieMonster]

Ive heard before that MOR is very hands off with regards training etc. Players don't have many conversations with him.
Don't know how true that is but maybe this is a gripe of the current players.

A few of the Tyrone boys spent the last few years throwing stones in the direction of Derry, esp. when Malachy snubbed the Derry job. Life comes at you fast.

Don't fool yourself that ciaran Meenagh wouldn't swap for Malachys job in the morning pal

Ha. I'm not the one under any illusions. If you listen to Ciaran and the way he talks about those lads he's going nowhere in the morning.

Looks like Malachy is back to being the Fermanagh man.

I'm from Derry but exiled in Tyrone the last 5 years. It's no secret Derry wanted MOR, Glass even said he approached him personally and the Tyronians were loving every minute of it when he took that job over Derry. Now he's the root of all their troubles apparently. MOR proved himself as a manager long before he took the Tyrone job and he's being written off by some.
Morgan's nose is obviously out of joint but he wasn't performing for whatever reason, MOR done what any good manager would do by leaving him out.

[tbrick18]

Ive heard before that MOR is very hands off with regards training etc. Players don't have many conversations with him.
Don't know how true that is but maybe this is a gripe of the current players.

A few of the Tyrone boys spent the last few years throwing stones in the direction of Derry, esp. when Malachy snubbed the Derry job. Life comes at you fast.

Don't fool yourself that ciaran Meenagh wouldn't swap for Malachys job in the morning pal

Ha. I'm not the one under any illusions. If you listen to Ciaran and the way he talks about those lads he's going nowhere in the morning.

Looks like Malachy is back to being the Fermanagh man.

I'm from Derry but exiled in Tyrone the last 5 years. It's no secret Derry wanted MOR, Glass even said he approached him personally and the Tyronians were loving every minute of it when he took that job over Derry. Now he's the root of all their troubles apparently. MOR proved himself as a manager long before he took the Tyrone job and he's being written off by some.
Morgan's nose is obviously out of joint but he wasn't performing for whatever reason, MOR done what any good manager would do by leaving him out.

All true.
MOR is a hands off manager - Porter I believe does the coaching side of things and MOR is the manager. At least that's what one of the Glen lads told me many moons ago.
Did Harte not work this way too?

The real issue, imo, is that the quality of the players currently in Tyrone is not as good as some think. They are being judged at the same levels of players past and with the expectation of quality coming through after a couple of u20 wins. Its rare that you get a full replacement team from u20 success, at best you'll get 4/5 players and it takes them time to mature, get conditioning right and embed into the 15. In tyrone's case, this phase of trying to introduce new players is coinciding with the demise of the majority of the mainstay players of the last 10 years - Peter Harte, Myler, Mattie Donnelly, and now Morgan. Making it more difficult to integrate and perform.
Also the new rules don't suit the profile of player in Tyrone - size and power in that middle 8 are essential now. Tyrone have about 6 of the same type of player in the forwards division, small, fast and accurate - but without the service needed from the middle 8, they wont get enough ball to trouble serious teams. Jordan is probably the only one of those new players who would cause any team issues I feel, but at the same time he didn't get a look-in against Derry. Darragh canavan on the ball can score, but he can also be marked out of a game I feel. McElhome I think is playing out of position. McCurry is probably getting leggy now too.

I said it at the start of the league that I thought Tyrone would struggle this season. It's a transition period - but it might go on for some time as, imo, the better players are edging closer to retirement and there's not enough quality coming through.

As for Meenagh to Tyrone....why would he? Derry has a fairly settled group of quality players with a good age profile who are eating out of his hand. We have quality coming through from our own u20s (who in my opinion should have beat Tyrone both years that they won the AI but for poor management decisions) and off the back of 2 AI minor wins. Meenagh works in Derry. Derry are probably still a bit short to really challenge for AI's right now, but who knows?
Why would Meenagh even entertain coming into a shambles of a Tyrone setup now, when he's in a strong position where he's at?

But maybe Tyrone will do us a favour this weekend and beat Cork.

[Ballygawleyftw]

Hearing there was a few hands thrown in Garvaghy during the week?
Niall Kerr taking boxing classes?

[NotedObserver]

Hearing there was a few hands thrown in Garvaghy during the week?
Niall Kerr taking boxing classes?

Who?

[Mikhailov]

Ive heard before that MOR is very hands off with regards training etc. Players don't have many conversations with him.
Don't know how true that is but maybe this is a gripe of the current players.

A few of the Tyrone boys spent the last few years throwing stones in the direction of Derry, esp. when Malachy snubbed the Derry job. Life comes at you fast.

Don't fool yourself that ciaran Meenagh wouldn't swap for Malachys job in the morning pal

Ha. I'm not the one under any illusions. If you listen to Ciaran and the way he talks about those lads he's going nowhere in the morning.

Looks like Malachy is back to being the Fermanagh man.

I'm from Derry but exiled in Tyrone the last 5 years. It's no secret Derry wanted MOR, Glass even said he approached him personally and the Tyronians were loving every minute of it when he took that job over Derry. Now he's the root of all their troubles apparently. MOR proved himself as a manager long before he took the Tyrone job and he's being written off by some.
Morgan's nose is obviously out of joint but he wasn't performing for whatever reason, MOR done what any good manager would do by leaving him out.

Are you sure about the fact MOR left Morgan out? Morgan had made several mistakes in earlier matches and wasn't left out. Then goes to Doha on a holiday, arrives back 24 hours before a game and still starts. I heard he then told MOR that he was going to the wedding (on the date of the Meath game) so MOR had no choice but to play O'Kane against Offaly to prepare him for the Meath game.

I think MOR hand was forced to change the keeper rather than him decide to drop Morgan....

Morgan on his day is the best in Ireland but has been below par recently

[square_ball]

Are you sure about the fact MOR left Morgan out? Morgan had made several mistakes in earlier matches and wasn't left out. Then goes to Doha on a holiday, arrives back 24 hours before a game and still starts. I heard he then told MOR that he was going to the wedding (on the date of the Meath game) so MOR had no choice but to play O'Kane against Offaly to prepare him for the Meath game.

I think MOR hand was forced to change the keeper rather than him decide to drop Morgan....

Morgan on his day is the best in Ireland but has been below par recently

I had heard a few senior members of the squad weren't happy with MOR with the handling of the holiday earlier in the year and going straight into the team. As you say the wedding situation probably forced MORs hand and maybe he was showing the squad who is boss by 'dropping' him for Offaly. It was strange that Kilpatrick and McCurry were both at the wedding but also played v Meath.

Morgan will 100% be starting v Armagh and would agree with you - on his day I would still take him over every keeper in Ireland. It will do no harm for O'Kane to get some experience in these last few games. Cahair O'Kane had a stat up at the start of the league where Morgan has started in 85 of the last 87 games since 2018. The two games he missed were dead rubbers.

[DaleCooper]

Yup its important given Morgans age others get some experience under their belt.

Whats the permutations now?

Doesnt matter as Tyrone will wallop Cork and the "drama" will be old news come 4.15pm 12th April at the Athletic Grounds

[tyrone08]

Yup its important given Morgans age others get some experience under their belt.

Whats the permutations now?

Doesnt matter as Tyrone will wallop Cork and the "drama" will be old news come 4.15pm 12th April at the Athletic Grounds

Thats when all the drama will become more apparent. Said earlier on that the first good division 1 team tyrone will face will hammer them unfortunately thats going to be armagh.

[Fuzzman]

Was looking through last year's championships results and it looks like most teams are conceding far more scores than before. Meath scored 8 two pointers last Saturday night and we didnt seem to try to counteract that. I suppose with more space for forwards now it's not surprising teams are scoring and conceding more.

I wonder are we struggling to defend as well with the new rules or just not scoring enough to counteract that like other teams are. Just worked out the average scored and conceded below compared to Donegal.

Tyrone 1.24    Cavan   0.20   
Tyrone 0.22   Armagh  0.23   
Tyrone 2.17   Donegal 0.20
Tyrone 1.13   Mayo    2.17
Tyrone 0.31   Cavan    0.18   
Tyrone 0.23   Dublin    0.16   
Tyrone 0.17   Kerry    1.20
Avg    0.227    Avg con 0.204

Donegal   0.20   Tyrone   0.23
Donegal   0.35   Cavan   0.16
Donegal   0.19   Mayo   0.18
Donegal   0.28   Louth   0.12
Donegal   0.29   Monaghn 0.23
Donegal   0.35   Meath   0.15
Donegal   0.19   Kerry   0.29
      Avg   0.264   avg   0.194

[DaleCooper]

McAneney another option in goals perhaps? Talk about timing

[Goals_Will_Come]

Another copy and paste from the previous week job. McCurry for the injured Ruairi. 3+ changes to come at 1:00 on Sunday between starting team and bench.
What is the point in the team announcements.

[NotedObserver]

Canavan, Mckernan certs. Mcelholm likely. Mcgeary and Cullen very possible