Power Rankings

[Armagh18]

Think that donegal game was 2 weeks after an ulster final that they won.  Plus it was in ballybofey.  Would have taken your point in board if tyrone had been at home, donegal had lost the ulster final or thr game had been a week later.

Was the tyrone armagh game a semi final last year or a quarter.  The one that armagh cantered to win with a last minute free.  Mightn't have been a semi though.

One last point.  Whoever drew meath between tyrone and donegal last year was going to make the final

So many ifs and buts though

Yeah I think that was a semi final, strange one in that we felt in control for most of the game but still only won it with a late free. Geezer had a row with a flag and Tyrone got a 2 pointer from it which left the game closer than it should have been. McCurry was brilliant that day.

[Mario]

When you say "they haven't even got near an Ulster final..."

Didn't they lose an Ulster semi-final last year by a point?

I think they're a bit off the maybe 4 or 5 teams that you'd look at right now as real AI contenders, but you don't need to make up complete horseshit about them.

The only teams they've beat in the last 4 years in the Ulster championship are Fermanagh and Cavan. A good chance that extends to 5 years this year too.

[trueblue1234]

When you say "they haven't even got near an Ulster final..."

Didn't they lose an Ulster semi-final last year by a point?

I think they're a bit off the maybe 4 or 5 teams that you'd look at right now as real AI contenders, but you don't need to make up complete horseshit about them.

The only teams they've beat in the last 4 years in the Ulster championship are Fermanagh and Cavan. A good chance that extends to 5 years this year too.

And yet they made a semi final last year. That would prob explain their position.
Not sure who's below them that could make an undisputed claim to be above them tbh.

[Armagh18]

When you say "they haven't even got near an Ulster final..."

Didn't they lose an Ulster semi-final last year by a point?

I think they're a bit off the maybe 4 or 5 teams that you'd look at right now as real AI contenders, but you don't need to make up complete horseshit about them.

The only teams they've beat in the last 4 years in the Ulster championship are Fermanagh and Cavan. A good chance that extends to 5 years this year too.

And yet they made a semi final last year. That would prob explain their position.
Not sure who's below them that could make an undisputed claim to be above them tbh.

For me currently come summer it's Kerry top, Donegal, Armagh, Tyrone, Galway all would be a kick of a ball between them, then Mayo, Dublin, Roscommon, Derry, Meath in the group  close behind, but all capable of beating a big team on their day, then probably Monaghan, Louth, Cork, Kildare, Down  etc the next bunch. Definitely scope for Roscommon, Mayo, Meath etc to move into that next group. 

[oakleaflad]

I find it hard to rank Tyrone over Derry at the minute. If comparing both teams side by side and taking bias out of it as much as I can I think I'd take just 4 players from Tyrone.
Just don't see it for them at the moment, maybe in a couple years time.

[Armagh18]

I find it hard to rank Tyrone over Derry at the minute. If comparing both teams side by side and taking bias out of it as much as I can I think I'd take just 4 players from Tyrone.
Just don't see it for them at the moment, maybe in a couple years time.

Just going off championship this last few years in my rankings tbh, probably should have included Derry in that list of teams that definitely could push into the next group up, but given they done little or nothing of note in championship since 2023 Tyrone would currently be ahead for me.

[oakleaflad]

I find it hard to rank Tyrone over Derry at the minute. If comparing both teams side by side and taking bias out of it as much as I can I think I'd take just 4 players from Tyrone.
Just don't see it for them at the moment, maybe in a couple years time.

Just going off championship this last few years in my rankings tbh, probably should have included Derry in that list of teams that definitely could push into the next group up, but given they done little or nothing of note in championship since 2023 Tyrone would currently be ahead for me.

Thats completely fair.

I'd see it as:

Kerry

Donegal

Armagh, Galway

Mayo, Dublin, Ros, Derry, Tyrone, Meath etc. 

[Armagh18]

I find it hard to rank Tyrone over Derry at the minute. If comparing both teams side by side and taking bias out of it as much as I can I think I'd take just 4 players from Tyrone.
Just don't see it for them at the moment, maybe in a couple years time.

Just going off championship this last few years in my rankings tbh, probably should have included Derry in that list of teams that definitely could push into the next group up, but given they done little or nothing of note in championship since 2023 Tyrone would currently be ahead for me.

Thats completely fair.

I'd see it as:

Kerry

Donegal

Armagh, Galway

Mayo, Dublin, Ros, Derry, Tyrone, Meath etc. 

Yeah fair ranking, although from an Armagh perspective we'd need to get a lot of bodies back and some other boys into form to push towards the Donegal/Kerry bracket or we could very easily slip back into the pack.

[twohands!!!]

When you say "they haven't even got near an Ulster final..."

Didn't they lose an Ulster semi-final last year by a point?

I think they're a bit off the maybe 4 or 5 teams that you'd look at right now as real AI contenders, but you don't need to make up complete horseshit about them.

The only teams they've beat in the last 4 years in the Ulster championship are Fermanagh and Cavan. A good chance that extends to 5 years this year too.

And yet they made a semi final last year. That would prob explain their position.
Not sure who's below them that could make an undisputed claim to be above them tbh.

They got to the semi-final by beating Donegal, Cavan and Dublin.
 
Cavan have played 1 championship game and 4 league games and won 1 game since while Dublin have played 4 league games and won 1 game since, so it's not as if they were beating teams who were in great form to get to that semi-final. Obviously Donegal's form since is more impressive but if anything that makes the result in that game look very much like the exception.

A lot of people seem to think that because of Tyrone's U20 recent successes that success will automatically follow through to senior success and if history has taught us anything that isn't always the case, and if that success comes it normally takes a bit of time (pretty much always longer than supporters would like). It takes time for lads to break through and became experienced senior intercounty championship players. In a way the fact that they were coming into a team that had won an All-Ireland relatively recently was probably a bit of a hindrance to those younger lads in getting game time initially. If Tyrone hadn't won that All-Ireland management would have had a much freer hand to drop older lads in the panel.

[trueblue1234]

When you say "they haven't even got near an Ulster final..."

Didn't they lose an Ulster semi-final last year by a point?

I think they're a bit off the maybe 4 or 5 teams that you'd look at right now as real AI contenders, but you don't need to make up complete horseshit about them.

The only teams they've beat in the last 4 years in the Ulster championship are Fermanagh and Cavan. A good chance that extends to 5 years this year too.

And yet they made a semi final last year. That would prob explain their position.
Not sure who's below them that could make an undisputed claim to be above them tbh.

They got to the semi-final by beating Donegal, Cavan and Dublin.
 
Cavan have played 1 championship game and 4 league games and won 1 game since while Dublin have played 4 league games and won 1 game since, so it's not as if they were beating teams who were in great form to get to that semi-final. Obviously Donegal's form since is more impressive but if anything that makes the result in that game look very much like the exception.

A lot of people seem to think that because of Tyrone's U20 recent successes that success will automatically follow through to senior success and if history has taught us anything that isn't always the case, and if that success comes it normally takes a bit of time (pretty much always longer than supporters would like). It takes time for lads to break through and became experienced senior intercounty championship players. In a way the fact that they were coming into a team that had won an All-Ireland relatively recently was probably a bit of a hindrance to those younger lads in getting game time initially. If Tyrone hadn't won that All-Ireland management would have had a much freer hand to drop older lads in the panel.

I'd say it's more to do with the fact Tyrone generally make quarters onwards most years. The fact they have youth coming through would also be a factor as, while it's no guarantee, it's a strong sign for the future of the team.
I don't particularly think they're going to win an AI anytime soon, but also don't think there's anyone on that list below them that would be more likely too.

[GTP]

Is this the mathematical one? Monaghan are too low imo

There is a mathematical model ranking at GAA Rankings
Same top 16 movement in positions 6 to 16

• Kerry
• Donegal
• Mayo
• Galway
• Armagh
• Dublin
• Tyrone
• Meath
• Derry
• Roscommon
• Cork
• Monaghan
• Down
• Louth
• Cavan
• Kildare

[Armagh18]

If I was going to have a stab at it-
Realistically to win an All Ireland.
1. kerry
2. Donegal
3. Armagh (injuries dependent)
4. Galway
5. Tyrone
6. Dublin
7. Mayo
8. Roscommon
9. Meath
10. Derry
11. Monaghan
12. Cork
13. Louth
14. Kildare
15. Down
16. Cavan.

With Dublin and Tyrone currently on a downward trend and Mayo, Derry, Meath and Roscommon on the up.

[Mario]

AI Odds from Paddy power wouldn't be far off my rankings. Id have Cork above Down though

Kerry

Donegal

Mayo

Galway

Armagh

Derry

Dublin

Tyrone

Meath

Down

Cork

Roscommon

Monaghan

Kildare

Louth

[gallsman]

Harsh on Roscommon based on their league form to date and a few big names to come back.

[Rossfan]

Shhhhhh🤫