Things that make you go What the F**k?

[Armagh18]

I always thought Ms was when a lady was married now not,

Finally learnt something from this godforsaken place 😝😝

Could be used in that context too I think

[tonto1888]

Where do you stand  on the wife not taking the husbands  surname?

Or  the husband taking the wife's surname?

Woke nonsense

really? What does it actually matter?

[smort]

Where do you stand  on the wife not taking the husbands  surname?

Or  the husband taking the wife's surname?

Woke nonsense

really? What does it actually matter?

Come on now, you have to show society that this woman is your chattel

[Armagh18]

Where do you stand  on the wife not taking the husbands  surname?

Or  the husband taking the wife's surname?

Woke nonsense

really? What does it actually matter?

Sorry that was meant to be tongue in cheek.

 I wouldn't be taking another name but wouldnt be madly bothered if I was getting married and she didn't. 

[Baile Brigín 2]

I haven't a problem calling someone by their chosen name, but a pronoun such as 'them' when it is a singular person in front of me, no way.

Why? What difference does it make to you? I don't understand the reason someone would choose pronouns for themselves but who am I to say they shouldn't just because I am content with how I'm addressed? And if using a different word makes life easier for them and makes sh1te all difference to me, why would I choose to not do that?

We all call people things they want us to call them.

Every single one of us knows a Paddy, Marty, Jim, Des and so on.

When did Ms instead of Miss or Mrs start?

When you are talking about them, say them, not he or she.

It takes more effort to be outraged.

Miss is a young girl, Ms a single adult lady, Mrs a married lady. Learned that in English Language in school to address letters.

Not sure that is correct.

Miss is unmarried. Mrs is married. Ms is mind your own business.

But the point is. There has always been complexity around how people chose to be addressed. Ask your mate Jim. Or his wife Ms Murphy. Them is just another one. The difference is bigotry.

[Genocide Organ]

Think 'Ms.' is often used as a fudge between 'Miss' and 'Mrs.' so that a woman's marital status is unclear?

[Wildweasel74]

Ms was previously married

[Truthsayer]

I haven't a problem calling someone by their chosen name, but a pronoun such as 'them' when it is a singular person in front of me, no way.

Why? What difference does it make to you? I don't understand the reason someone would choose pronouns for themselves but who am I to say they shouldn't just because I am content with how I'm addressed? And if using a different word makes life easier for them and makes sh1te all difference to me, why would I choose to not do that?

We all call people things they want us to call them.

Every single one of us knows a Paddy, Marty, Jim, Des and so on.

When did Ms instead of Miss or Mrs start?

When you are talking about them, say them, not he or she.

It takes more effort to be outraged.

Miss is a young girl, Ms a single adult lady, Mrs a married lady. Learned that in English Language in school to address letters.

Not sure that is correct.

Miss is unmarried. Mrs is married. Ms is mind your own business.

But the point is. There has always been complexity around how people chose to be addressed. Ask your mate Jim. Or his wife Ms Murphy. Them is just another one. The difference is bigotry.

I haven't a problem calling someone by their chosen name, but a pronoun such as 'them' when it is a singular person in front of me, no way.

Why? What difference does it make to you? I don't understand the reason someone would choose pronouns for themselves but who am I to say they shouldn't just because I am content with how I'm addressed? And if using a different word makes life easier for them and makes sh1te all difference to me, why would I choose to not do that?

We all call people things they want us to call them.

Every single one of us knows a Paddy, Marty, Jim, Des and so on.

When did Ms instead of Miss or Mrs start?

When you are talking about them, say them, not he or she.

It takes more effort to be outraged.

Miss is a young girl, Ms a single adult lady, Mrs a married lady. Learned that in English Language in school to address letters.

Not sure that is correct.

Miss is unmarried. Mrs is married. Ms is mind your own business.

But the point is. There has always been complexity around how people chose to be addressed. Ask your mate Jim. Or his wife Ms Murphy. Them is just another one. The difference is bigotry.

Is it really? Them is plural. Believe it or not however open minded people try to be, it is a bit of a jump addressing one person in the plural.

[Baile Brigín 2]

I haven't a problem calling someone by their chosen name, but a pronoun such as 'them' when it is a singular person in front of me, no way.

Why? What difference does it make to you? I don't understand the reason someone would choose pronouns for themselves but who am I to say they shouldn't just because I am content with how I'm addressed? And if using a different word makes life easier for them and makes sh1te all difference to me, why would I choose to not do that?

We all call people things they want us to call them.

Every single one of us knows a Paddy, Marty, Jim, Des and so on.

When did Ms instead of Miss or Mrs start?

When you are talking about them, say them, not he or she.

It takes more effort to be outraged.

Miss is a young girl, Ms a single adult lady, Mrs a married lady. Learned that in English Language in school to address letters.

Not sure that is correct.

Miss is unmarried. Mrs is married. Ms is mind your own business.

But the point is. There has always been complexity around how people chose to be addressed. Ask your mate Jim. Or his wife Ms Murphy. Them is just another one. The difference is bigotry.

I haven't a problem calling someone by their chosen name, but a pronoun such as 'them' when it is a singular person in front of me, no way.

Why? What difference does it make to you? I don't understand the reason someone would choose pronouns for themselves but who am I to say they shouldn't just because I am content with how I'm addressed? And if using a different word makes life easier for them and makes sh1te all difference to me, why would I choose to not do that?

We all call people things they want us to call them.

Every single one of us knows a Paddy, Marty, Jim, Des and so on.

When did Ms instead of Miss or Mrs start?

When you are talking about them, say them, not he or she.

It takes more effort to be outraged.

Miss is a young girl, Ms a single adult lady, Mrs a married lady. Learned that in English Language in school to address letters.

Not sure that is correct.

Miss is unmarried. Mrs is married. Ms is mind your own business.

But the point is. There has always been complexity around how people chose to be addressed. Ask your mate Jim. Or his wife Ms Murphy. Them is just another one. The difference is bigotry.

Is it really? Them is plural. Believe it or not however open minded people try to be, it is a bit of a jump addressing one person in the plural.

It can be plural.

I was talking to Jim the other day. They asked about you.

[Baile Brigín 2]

Ms was previously married

Again. Not sure that is the only usage.

But regardless, we all call people something they ask to be called. Why is this one controversial?

[bennydorano]

I haven't a problem calling someone by their chosen name, but a pronoun such as 'them' when it is a singular person in front of me, no way.

Why? What difference does it make to you? I don't understand the reason someone would choose pronouns for themselves but who am I to say they shouldn't just because I am content with how I'm addressed? And if using a different word makes life easier for them and makes sh1te all difference to me, why would I choose to not do that?

We all call people things they want us to call them.

Every single one of us knows a Paddy, Marty, Jim, Des and so on.

When did Ms instead of Miss or Mrs start?

When you are talking about them, say them, not he or she.

It takes more effort to be outraged.

Miss is a young girl, Ms a single adult lady, Mrs a married lady. Learned that in English Language in school to address letters.

Not sure that is correct.

Miss is unmarried. Mrs is married. Ms is mind your own business.

But the point is. There has always been complexity around how people chose to be addressed. Ask your mate Jim. Or his wife Ms Murphy. Them is just another one. The difference is bigotry.

Miss is 100% for younger girls. Adults Ms/Mrs

[J70]

But again, when are you going to be directly addressing someone as "them"?

It will either be their name or "you".

And just there, in that previous sentence, I used "their' in a perfectly traditional manner to refer to a single third person.

[Truthsayer]

I haven't a problem calling someone by their chosen name, but a pronoun such as 'them' when it is a singular person in front of me, no way.

Why? What difference does it make to you? I don't understand the reason someone would choose pronouns for themselves but who am I to say they shouldn't just because I am content with how I'm addressed? And if using a different word makes life easier for them and makes sh1te all difference to me, why would I choose to not do that?

We all call people things they want us to call them.

Every single one of us knows a Paddy, Marty, Jim, Des and so on.

When did Ms instead of Miss or Mrs start?

When you are talking about them, say them, not he or she.

It takes more effort to be outraged.

Miss is a young girl, Ms a single adult lady, Mrs a married lady. Learned that in English Language in school to address letters.

Not sure that is correct.

Miss is unmarried. Mrs is married. Ms is mind your own business.

But the point is. There has always been complexity around how people chose to be addressed. Ask your mate Jim. Or his wife Ms Murphy. Them is just another one. The difference is bigotry.

I haven't a problem calling someone by their chosen name, but a pronoun such as 'them' when it is a singular person in front of me, no way.

Why? What difference does it make to you? I don't understand the reason someone would choose pronouns for themselves but who am I to say they shouldn't just because I am content with how I'm addressed? And if using a different word makes life easier for them and makes sh1te all difference to me, why would I choose to not do that?

We all call people things they want us to call them.

Every single one of us knows a Paddy, Marty, Jim, Des and so on.

When did Ms instead of Miss or Mrs start?

When you are talking about them, say them, not he or she.

It takes more effort to be outraged.

Miss is a young girl, Ms a single adult lady, Mrs a married lady. Learned that in English Language in school to address letters.

Not sure that is correct.

Miss is unmarried. Mrs is married. Ms is mind your own business.

But the point is. There has always been complexity around how people chose to be addressed. Ask your mate Jim. Or his wife Ms Murphy. Them is just another one. The difference is bigotry.

Is it really? Them is plural. Believe it or not however open minded people try to be, it is a bit of a jump addressing one person in the plural.

It can be plural.

I was talking to Jim the other day. They asked about you.

Ok 

[armaghniac]

Yer woman, Maria Corina Machado from Venezuela, giving her Nobel peace medal to Trump! There's two of them in it.

[bennydorano]

Now that is woke! Proper pronoun nonsense

Original article is in the Daily Telegraph

Staff at the Labour-run Wandsworth Borough Council have been instructed to state their pronouns when meetings begin, leaked documents reveal.

The south London authority is additionally urging employees to display gender-neutral pronoun options, including "ze/zir/zem", on their email signatures and social media accounts.

The council's memo argues that members of non-binary and transgender communities need to be "more seen and recognised" through workplace practices.

According to the document, most people were previously only familiar with "he/him/his" and "she/her/hers" as pronoun options.

 

"However, as the non-binary community has become more visible, more people are becoming aware of non-gendered pronouns such as they/them/theirs and ze/zir/zem," the memo states.

The guidance describes incorporating pronouns into email signatures, Microsoft 365 profiles and social media accounts as a "simple step cisgender people can take" in the workplace.

By announcing pronouns at the beginning of meetings, the authority believes staff can help colleagues from transgender and non-binary backgrounds feel acknowledged in the workplace, per The Telegraph.

However, the guidance has prompted sharp criticism from women's rights organisations, who argue it could amount to discrimination against workers who reject gender identity ideology.

 

They hit out at Wandsworth's directives in reference to last year's Supreme Court judgment, which established that the legal definition of woman under the Equality Act refers to biological sex.

Susan Smith, leader of For Women Scotland, questioned whether the council might lack more pressing concerns, though she suggested the policy "might help signal which members of staff should not be taken seriously".

"Will they be asking staff to declare star signs or belief in the tooth fairy?" she asked.

Ms Smith warned that compelling employees to make such declarations "could be a discriminatory act against those who do not subscribe to this ideology and who will be concerned that this will be used to root out heresy".