Ulster Club IFC/JFC 2025

[Rossfan]

To clarify, championship status in Cavan is based on "the year before"?

Yes. Win a Championship, go up a level, lose a relegation playoff you drop down for the next year

Like 29 other Counties.

[nrico2006]

How do you get relegated from a championship? Are you telling me there is like a relegation knockout championship, where you nearly get more games in than the actual championship?

[gallsman]

Majority of counties I'd say have relegation playoffs in championship.

Imagine something being different from the way it's done in the great and mighty Tyrone. The arrogance!

[Look-Up!]

How do you get relegated from a championship? Are you telling me there is like a relegation knockout championship, where you nearly get more games in than the actual championship?

Don't know if you're taking the piss or not as this subject has been done to death on here over and over again but short answer is when you're completely out of your class.

We have our 4 round robins. Best 8 make the quarters. Rest play relegation semis. 2 losers play relegation final. Loser is relegated.

Not a perfect system and there are some gripes mainly that an unlucky draw can jeopardize your place in last 8. But realistically if you can't make last 8 you haven't a hope of winning it out to begin with.

And in the relegation playoffs most of the teams will be completely off senior class so if you can't pick up a win you're not a senior club, or if it's intermediate, same usually applies.

[Look-Up!]

So as simply put as possible. There are no senior clubs not playing senior. Same as other grades. It's literally the simplest format you can get.

[Look-Up!]

The same principle would be the Intercounty Hurling system. 5 League divisions, 5 Championships. Not a single League result affects your Championship rating or vice versa. You go up or down in each solely on each

It's exactly the same principle. You either agree Division 1 teams should be allowed to play in a lesser competition against Division 3/4 teams, or you don't.

Ahaha you got nothing. You know it's all over the place and you can't back it up

This All Ireland system lets Division 3 and 4 teams play the high grade buster...

I'm not arguing that it doesn't. I'm asking do you think Division 1 counties should be allowed to play the Tailteann Cup. You still can't give an answer lol

I said you can't compare it as it's not an equivalent. If I were to the obvious answer would clearly be no, but you'd run with that as if it is proof of your view. It's simply not an equivalent to compare and this is you trying to twist the argument. Telling you have ignored the actual ones that ARE an equivalent. Let's discuss those as a comparison firstly

Your idea is based entirely on "Cavan teams do not take the league seriously" therefore that's how everyone should do it

Why don't you scrap the league and play area mini leagues ?

You have to admit regardless that Arva playing Div 1 league and Cuchullians the same as been an advantage to let's say a junior team in Tyrone playing div 3 league teams

It's proven the better the opposition the more you improve

Because the problem you're trying to solve exists only in your own head.

[Dreadnought]

the obvious answer would clearly be no

I'm glad you've come to the acknowledgement that the obvious answer is in fact no; and that Division 1 teams shouldn't be allowed to enter competitions alongside Division 3/4 teams.

Now try and apply that logic for the next time a Division 1 Cavan club finds themselves entering the Ulster Junior or Intermediate championships.

You can't clip a quote with the rest of the context and call this a win you buffoon

So come on then, answer back on the hurling setup? Or will you ignore as it won't suit your agenda?

[Dreadnought]

To clarify, championship status in Cavan is based on "the year before"?

Yes. Win a Championship, go up a level, lose a relegation playoff you drop down for the next year

Like 29 other Counties.

Indeed. Yet everyone are the weird ones and not the outlier counties

[Dreadnought]

How do you get relegated from a championship? Are you telling me there is like a relegation knockout championship, where you nearly get more games in than the actual championship?

Relegation playoffs, yes. In Cavan anyway, you get minimum 5 games in Senior Championship. 4 group games, then top 8 to knockouts for quarters on, bottom 4 to relegation playoffs. Max games you play is 7 for finalists (excluding final replay), while relegation finalists play 6 games

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

Majority of counties I'd say have relegation playoffs in championship.

Imagine something being different from the way it's done in the great and mighty Tyrone. The arrogance!

However, most counties would never see their Division 1 league teams playing in the Junior football championship.

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

To clarify, championship status in Cavan is based on "the year before"?

Yes. Win a Championship, go up a level, lose a relegation playoff you drop down for the next year

Like 29 other Counties.

Indeed. Yet everyone are the weird ones and not the outlier counties

No, it was indeed Look-Up! who was suggesting it was wrong for Tyrone to use "the year before" to grade teams. Despite every other county (including Cavan) doing the same.

[Dreadnought]

The same principle would be the Intercounty Hurling system. 5 League divisions, 5 Championships. Not a single League result affects your Championship rating or vice versa. You go up or down in each solely on each

It's exactly the same principle. You either agree Division 1 teams should be allowed to play in a lesser competition against Division 3/4 teams, or you don't.

Ahaha you got nothing. You know it's all over the place and you can't back it up

This All Ireland system lets Division 3 and 4 teams play the high grade buster...

I'm not arguing that it doesn't. I'm asking do you think Division 1 counties should be allowed to play the Tailteann Cup. You still can't give an answer lol

I said you can't compare it as it's not an equivalent. If I were to the obvious answer would clearly be no, but you'd run with that as if it is proof of your view. It's simply not an equivalent to compare and this is you trying to twist the argument. Telling you have ignored the actual ones that ARE an equivalent. Let's discuss those as a comparison firstly

Your idea is based entirely on "Cavan teams do not take the league seriously" therefore that's how everyone should do it

Why don't you scrap the league and play area mini leagues ?

You have to admit regardless that Arva playing Div 1 league and Cuchullians the same as been an advantage to let's say a junior team in Tyrone playing div 3 league teams

It's proven the better the opposition the more you improve

I don't disagree that the League is an issue. I want this fixed. It wasn't a conscious decision, or it didn't happen immediately. It happened over time but got exacerbated with the split season. With the old system, and when you had April as club month, you could run the season with a lot of games played with county players. Only some League games missed overall. Indeed many League games were requested to be postponed of a club had more than one player away at Senior or U21 intercounty games

All changed over time. They tried to adjust, by doing a double League. Did a Spring one called the All County League that were played without County Players to have something for the club players. Then a smaller proper one with County Players pre Championship. Worked OK for a time, as League prior to this was taken very seriously, even if not coupled with Championship

Had the reverse effect though. Ended up being too many games, which diluted things. They then went back to old system of one League, but by then the games had lost some of its lustre. The split season at the same time meant we ended up with all games bar relegation or semis and final without county players (unless panel players released or lad getting back fit after injury).

So here we are. Not one decision, but a lot of different ones, and changing circumstances. Simply no way the League here could be coupled without massive changes to League, which we need. But just explaining the current setup and how we cannot look at the system here and yet and tell anyone with a straight face that League tells more than Championship in Cavan. It just doesn't, but needs change. Change though does not change the past and the way Championships were run 3 years ago with Arva etc. They were vastly different competitions

I would disagree with your final point to a degree. With county players out and the dropped standard, I don't think we can quantify it's higher quality opposition like that. In fact, the reason we see likes of Arva and Cuchulainns making progress in Leagues would argue against that. How were they beating supposed higher teams in Leagues in Spring but losing Intermediate and Junior games in Summer in the years prior to their win? As the standard is quite different. Again, I would like that standard to change

[Dreadnought]

Majority of counties I'd say have relegation playoffs in championship.

Imagine something being different from the way it's done in the great and mighty Tyrone. The arrogance!

However, most counties would never see their Division 1 league teams playing in the Junior football championship.

But can it happen?

[Dreadnought]

To clarify, championship status in Cavan is based on "the year before"?

Yes. Win a Championship, go up a level, lose a relegation playoff you drop down for the next year

Like 29 other Counties.

Indeed. Yet everyone are the weird ones and not the outlier counties

No, it was indeed Look-Up! who was suggesting it was wrong for Tyrone to use "the year before" to grade teams. Despite every other county (including Cavan) doing the same.

I get you, although I think the point that Championship from year before leads into Championship is standard enough really. But if League from year before is used (4 Competitions before) then that is odd. But that's incorrect, right?

[Rossfan]

Majority of counties I'd say have relegation playoffs in championship.

Imagine something being different from the way it's done in the great and mighty Tyrone. The arrogance!

However, most counties would never see their Division 1 league teams playing in the Junior football championship.

But can it happen?

Unlikely but it could.
A junior outfit having no one on a County Senior or u20 panel, strongest 15/20 available every game could hop up the League.