Ulster Club IFC/JFC 2025

[Milltown Row2]

You keep coming back so all good, shite Ulster campaign as usual 

Did I see you slagging state of Omagh pitch?         move it to Casement 

Casement in its current form would still be better than that bog lol

Omagh is a bog no doubt but has hosted load games this year... Casement a reflection of the state of Antrim club and county standard.. tumbleweed.

Again, would have still done a better job, in its current state, to your county ground

[Ethan Tremblay]

Had this conversation last year (or the year before, whatever year Avra won the AI).  From an Armagh point of view, a senior league team playing in a lower level championship in the same year seems a bit mad.   

As pointed out, a team finishing 4th in the division 1 league moving into the intermediate championship would clean up, that's the reality of it here. 

But, in Armagh there is a gulf in difference between senior/intermediate/junior (teams hovering around relegation/promotion are exceptions of course and at a similar level) which is why this baffles a few on here.

[Truthsayer]

You keep coming back so all good, shite Ulster campaign as usual 

Did I see you slagging state of Omagh pitch?         move it to Casement 

Casement in its current form would still be better than that bog lol

Omagh is a bog no doubt but has hosted load games this year... Casement a reflection of the state of Antrim club and county standard.. tumbleweed.

Again, would have still done a better job, in its current state, to your county ground

😁

[Look-Up!]

Ah yes, more "genuine" posters with the same shite year on year. Of course, teams that cannot win an intermediate this year would miraculously "clean up" in intermediate the year after. Reality? Cool story Fr. Dougal.

[general_lee]

Arva playing Division 1 and winning Junior All Ireland, (then reaching the Ulster IFC final the following year) Glenullin playing Intermediate and winning 3 out of the last 4, including back to back.

I don't care if individual counties let clubs continue to play in lower championship grades relevant to their league status, if it works in that county then fair enough... but there should be some basic prerequisites at provincial level to stop teams that are clearly decent senior sides within their own county getting easy runs at junior/intermediate provincial level

Blah blah blah blah

You still won't listen. IT'S BASED ON CHAMPIONSHIP RESULTS. WHAT CAN'T YOU UNDERSTAND?

Cavan man gets annoyed because they have sandbaggers playing in lower divisions. Relax

Imagine the team that finished fourth in Division 1 in Tyrone (Loughmacrory) Armagh (Crossmaglen) Monaghan (Scotstown) or Down (Clonduff) were allowed to play intermediate. At least these counties have some integrity.

Why the League obsession? That seems to be your only comeback. League. That's all you have?

Do you think Division 1 counties should be allowed to play in the Tailteann Cup?

Is that the only option? It's 2 Championships, and 4 League Divisions. It's nothing comparing like for like with county structures for theirs. You can't come talking about 3 Divisions and 3 Championships in Counties and then try and compare 4 Leagues and 2 Championships to try make a point. Also very telling you avoided my question and point about the Cavan Championship being so transparent

Also, are Division 1 counties playing games without a set number of players?

Furthermore, if you are making this point, you need to look at it backwards too. Why are some Senior Championship level teams dropping a level only due to League placings? Again, you cannot have this both ways

It is the exact same principle.

You either agree stronger teams (ie Division 1 counties) should be allowed to play against weaker opposition in a lesser competition (ie the Tailteann Cup), or you don't. 

[Dreadnought]

Had this conversation last year (or the year before, whatever year Avra won the AI).  From an Armagh point of view, a senior league team playing in a lower level championship in the same year seems a bit mad.   

As pointed out, a team finishing 4th in the division 1 league moving into the intermediate championship would clean up, that's the reality of it here. 

But, in Armagh there is a gulf in difference between senior/intermediate/junior (teams hovering around relegation/promotion are exceptions of course and at a similar level) which is why this baffles a few on here.

Would it though, or is it incapability of seeing anything outside of the system your county has?

Consequently, if a team plays a devalued League without County players, should that trump their Championship results with their full squad which showed they are indeed a lower level championship club? Genuinely, explain this to me like I'm 5. Why so much weight on one, but none on the other which is actually a better indicator of their true level?

And like I'd get you if they were linked, but simply they are not. I'd like a stronger League, it has been devalued. I'm simply pointing out how this is right now. And I'm not sure how this is solved. It's not a split season if we're all honest with ourselves. Club players still play games during intercounty season which no matter what you do have reduced impact because you're missing players and all such.

All I can say is that here it's up and down simply based on Championship results - it's as transparent as that

[Dreadnought]

Arva playing Division 1 and winning Junior All Ireland, (then reaching the Ulster IFC final the following year) Glenullin playing Intermediate and winning 3 out of the last 4, including back to back.

I don't care if individual counties let clubs continue to play in lower championship grades relevant to their league status, if it works in that county then fair enough... but there should be some basic prerequisites at provincial level to stop teams that are clearly decent senior sides within their own county getting easy runs at junior/intermediate provincial level

Blah blah blah blah

You still won't listen. IT'S BASED ON CHAMPIONSHIP RESULTS. WHAT CAN'T YOU UNDERSTAND?

Cavan man gets annoyed because they have sandbaggers playing in lower divisions. Relax

Imagine the team that finished fourth in Division 1 in Tyrone (Loughmacrory) Armagh (Crossmaglen) Monaghan (Scotstown) or Down (Clonduff) were allowed to play intermediate. At least these counties have some integrity.

Why the League obsession? That seems to be your only comeback. League. That's all you have?

Do you think Division 1 counties should be allowed to play in the Tailteann Cup?

Is that the only option? It's 2 Championships, and 4 League Divisions. It's nothing comparing like for like with county structures for theirs. You can't come talking about 3 Divisions and 3 Championships in Counties and then try and compare 4 Leagues and 2 Championships to try make a point. Also very telling you avoided my question and point about the Cavan Championship being so transparent

Also, are Division 1 counties playing games without a set number of players?

Furthermore, if you are making this point, you need to look at it backwards too. Why are some Senior Championship level teams dropping a level only due to League placings? Again, you cannot have this both ways

It is the exact same principle.

You either agree stronger teams (ie Division 1 counties) should be allowed to play against weaker opposition in a lesser competition (ie the Tailteann Cup), or you don't. 

It is nowhere near the same principle due to different numbers

The same principle would be the Intercounty Hurling system. 5 League divisions, 5 Championships. Not a single League result affects your Championship rating or vice versa. You go up or down in each solely on each

[Look-Up!]

Maybe Armagh posters can explain exactly how their seeding works. Like the Tyrone boys ye have lots to say about Cavan's but when they were pressed on how exactly their seeding works they got very defensive and insulting.

From what I can gather they play league in 2024. Then they play 2024 championship. Then they play 2025 league. Then they play 2025 championship seeded on 2024 league. That's about as much as I could make out of them. Is Armagh the same? If it is keep it thanks.

[general_lee]

Arva playing Division 1 and winning Junior All Ireland, (then reaching the Ulster IFC final the following year) Glenullin playing Intermediate and winning 3 out of the last 4, including back to back.

I don't care if individual counties let clubs continue to play in lower championship grades relevant to their league status, if it works in that county then fair enough... but there should be some basic prerequisites at provincial level to stop teams that are clearly decent senior sides within their own county getting easy runs at junior/intermediate provincial level

Blah blah blah blah

You still won't listen. IT'S BASED ON CHAMPIONSHIP RESULTS. WHAT CAN'T YOU UNDERSTAND?

Cavan man gets annoyed because they have sandbaggers playing in lower divisions. Relax

Imagine the team that finished fourth in Division 1 in Tyrone (Loughmacrory) Armagh (Crossmaglen) Monaghan (Scotstown) or Down (Clonduff) were allowed to play intermediate. At least these counties have some integrity.

Why the League obsession? That seems to be your only comeback. League. That's all you have?

Do you think Division 1 counties should be allowed to play in the Tailteann Cup?

Is that the only option? It's 2 Championships, and 4 League Divisions. It's nothing comparing like for like with county structures for theirs. You can't come talking about 3 Divisions and 3 Championships in Counties and then try and compare 4 Leagues and 2 Championships to try make a point. Also very telling you avoided my question and point about the Cavan Championship being so transparent

Also, are Division 1 counties playing games without a set number of players?

Furthermore, if you are making this point, you need to look at it backwards too. Why are some Senior Championship level teams dropping a level only due to League placings? Again, you cannot have this both ways

It is the exact same principle.

You either agree stronger teams (ie Division 1 counties) should be allowed to play against weaker opposition in a lesser competition (ie the Tailteann Cup), or you don't. 

It is nowhere near the same principle due to different numbers

The same principle would be the Intercounty Hurling system. 5 League divisions, 5 Championships. Not a single League result affects your Championship rating or vice versa. You go up or down in each solely on each

It's exactly the same principle. You either agree Division 1 teams should be allowed to play in a lesser competition against Division 3/4 teams, or you don't.

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

You refuse to acknowledge information you are given though.
Again, Clonoe played a promotion/relegation playoff against a Division 2 Intermediate team AFTER they both exited their respective 2024 championships. Clonoe lost.

[Dreadnought]

You either agree stronger teams (ie Division 1 counties) should be allowed to play against weaker opposition in a lesser competition (ie the Tailteann Cup), or you don't. 

Furthermore, I wouldn't be holding up the All Ireland Championship as the be all and end all here. It is a joke really. 16 teams, 1 qualified from Tailteann, and 8 from Provincial finals. The same provincials that are beyond lopsided in one if not more, meaning we nearly guarantee that a Division 3 or lower team gets into Sam. And we only then look at League. So less than 50% of the 16 qualifiers are on League. And also, counties do not have 2 Championships (a provincial style and an All Ireland style) feeding in to make it look like this. As I mention above, the Hurling one is what you should look at to see how the GAA have actually set it out properly. Sam Maguire is all over the place

[ClubScene13]

Maybe Armagh posters can explain exactly how their seeding works. Like the Tyrone boys ye have lots to say about Cavan's but when they were pressed on how exactly their seeding works they got very defensive and insulting.

From what I can gather they play league in 2024. Then they play 2024 championship. Then they play 2025 league. Then they play 2025 championship seeded on 2024 league. That's about as much as I could make out of them. Is Armagh the same? If it is keep it thanks.

Look up - do ye maybe want to "look up" at where I explained to ye 10 league matches of 15 are played with county men and the thing is treated extremely seriously? Wouldn't just be the friendlies you're used to, you can debit the merits or drawbacks of any system you want, your attitude is stinking, the neck on you to talk about insulting

[Dreadnought]

The same principle would be the Intercounty Hurling system. 5 League divisions, 5 Championships. Not a single League result affects your Championship rating or vice versa. You go up or down in each solely on each

It's exactly the same principle. You either agree Division 1 teams should be allowed to play in a lesser competition against Division 3/4 teams, or you don't.

Ahaha you got nothing. You know it's all over the place and you can't back it up

This All Ireland system lets Division 3 and 4 teams play the high grade buster...

[Look-Up!]

Sounds like a piss take. For all your talk about league weighting it boils down to one random playoff game. That was played the year before no less if I'm understanding correctly. So you can keep it and we'll keep ours thanks.

[general_lee]

The same principle would be the Intercounty Hurling system. 5 League divisions, 5 Championships. Not a single League result affects your Championship rating or vice versa. You go up or down in each solely on each

It's exactly the same principle. You either agree Division 1 teams should be allowed to play in a lesser competition against Division 3/4 teams, or you don't.

Ahaha you got nothing. You know it's all over the place and you can't back it up

This All Ireland system lets Division 3 and 4 teams play the high grade buster...

I'm not arguing that it doesn't. I'm asking do you think Division 1 counties should be allowed to play the Tailteann Cup. You still can't give an answer lol