Race for the ARAS 2025

[PadraicHenryPearse]

Better a useless President than a dangerous offensive one.

Hymphreys tried to force disabled people to go through degrading examinations to test their fitness for work. That's the sort of Thatherite policies that I find offensive, but each to their own.

So if a fella is playing the system, he's entitled to benefits for the rest of his life unchecked?

They are checked.

The issue was the same crowd who let big business go unregulated want to degrade and dehumanize people getting benefits.

That's a bit much. So when a doctor signs off on them going on the sick that's ok. But if they go in for a re-check and he says they're fit for work that's degrading and dehumanizing.

It wouldn't be like left wingers to have a hysterical over reaction to distract from a touchy subject.
How dare you!

it was a quote from disability activities... no one here knows their political leaning but Doghsite knows best!

[Dag Dog]

Better a useless President than a dangerous offensive one.

Hymphreys tried to force disabled people to go through degrading examinations to test their fitness for work. That's the sort of Thatherite policies that I find offensive, but each to their own.

So if a fella is playing the system, he's entitled to benefits for the rest of his life unchecked?

They are checked.

The issue was the same crowd who let big business go unregulated want to degrade and dehumanize people getting benefits.

That's a bit much. So when a doctor signs off on them going on the sick that's ok. But if they go in for a re-check and he says they're fit for work that's degrading and dehumanizing.

It wouldn't be like left wingers to have a hysterical over reaction to distract from a touchy subject.
How dare you!

it was a quote from disability activities... no one here knows their political leaning but Doghsite knows best!

I mean, it's a trait of fiscal conservatives to want to give unlimited benefits with no recourse...

[Snapchap]

It'a trait of Thatcherites to ONLY punch down. Becuase it's definitely the disabled who are the problem, eh?

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I find the NCT degrading and dehumanizing. I'd rather just sign it off myself especially as my car wouldn't make it to the garage.

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It'a trait of Thatcherites to ONLY punch down. Becuase it's definitely the disabled who are the problem, eh?

I don't think anyone here expressed a problem with disabled. It's those that are claiming disability but are perfectly able bodied  are the scourge.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

Some really nice guys on this thread... i wonder would they make those comments to disabled people...

[Dag Dog]

It'a trait of Thatcherites to ONLY punch down. Becuase it's definitely the disabled who are the problem, eh?

So fraud and theft can't be called out if the person is poorer than you?
Genius.

[armaghniac]

Disability activists said the plans were a "degrading and humiliating" value judgment that would give the impression that some people were falsifying the extent of their impairment or illness.

I'm not that familiar with this. However, it seems to be that some people are falsifying the extent of their impairment or illness. Some people, not most people.
So you need the power to investigate, but use that in  directed way so as to not investigate the really disabled, but do check others.

Anyone can be breathalysed at a checkpoint, because some people are drink driving. Anyone can have their taxes audited, because some people are not paying their taxes. But in reality, the Revenue have criteria to focus their efforts on actual offenders.

What the disabled advocates should concentrate on is designing proper criteria to identify the genuine from the chancers, then more money can be spent in those who actually are deserving because it has not been appropriated by those who are not.

It'a trait of Thatcherites to ONLY punch down. Becuase it's definitely the disabled who are the problem, eh?

The growth in payments to disabled people has to be extracted from those who work. People are happy to pay for people with genuine disabilities, but the growing number of people designated as such contains many who are less deserving.

[Snapchap]

It'a trait of Thatcherites to ONLY punch down. Becuase it's definitely the disabled who are the problem, eh?

The growth in payments to disabled people has to be extracted from those who work. People are happy to pay for people with genuine disabilities, but the growing number of people designated as such contains many who are less deserving.

Again, why when it comes to investigating the waste of public money, do Thatcherites always instinctively look down for a group to punch?

[PadraicHenryPearse]

Disability activists said the plans were a "degrading and humiliating" value judgment that would give the impression that some people were falsifying the extent of their impairment or illness.

I'm not that familiar with this. However, it seems to be that some people are falsifying the extent of their impairment or illness. Some people, not most people.
So you need the power to investigate, but use that in  directed way so as to not investigate the really disabled, but do check others.

Anyone can be breathalysed at a checkpoint, because some people are drink driving. Anyone can have their taxes audited, because some people are not paying their taxes. But in reality, the Revenue have criteria to focus their efforts on actual offenders.

What the disabled advocates should concentrate on is designing proper criteria to identify the genuine from the chancers, then more money can be spent in those who actually are deserving because it has not been appropriated by those who are not.

It'a trait of Thatcherites to ONLY punch down. Becuase it's definitely the disabled who are the problem, eh?

The growth in payments to disabled people has to be extracted from those who work. People are happy to pay for people with genuine disabilities, but the growing number of people designated as such contains many who are less deserving.

are the disabled activists falsifying the extent of their impairment or illness (or families members] do you think?  they made the comment, you mention you are not familiar... I would think they are..

Some really vile posts but not surprising. Ill take a leaf from those arguments by asking should people in wheelchairs because of disabilities but lifted out and dropped to see if they fall or walk.

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Disability activists said the plans were a "degrading and humiliating" value judgment that would give the impression that some people were falsifying the extent of their impairment or illness.

I'm not that familiar with this. However, it seems to be that some people are falsifying the extent of their impairment or illness. Some people, not most people.
So you need the power to investigate, but use that in  directed way so as to not investigate the really disabled, but do check others.

Anyone can be breathalysed at a checkpoint, because some people are drink driving. Anyone can have their taxes audited, because some people are not paying their taxes. But in reality, the Revenue have criteria to focus their efforts on actual offenders.

What the disabled advocates should concentrate on is designing proper criteria to identify the genuine from the chancers, then more money can be spent in those who actually are deserving because it has not been appropriated by those who are not.

It'a trait of Thatcherites to ONLY punch down. Becuase it's definitely the disabled who are the problem, eh?

The growth in payments to disabled people has to be extracted from those who work. People are happy to pay for people with genuine disabilities, but the growing number of people designated as such contains many who are less deserving.

are the disabled activists falsifying the extent of their impairment or illness (or families members] do you think?  they made the comment, you mention you are not familiar... I would think they are..

Some really vile posts but not surprising. Ill take a leaf from those arguments by asking should people in wheelchairs because of disabilities but lifted out and drop to see if they fall or walk.

Absolutely vile disgusting comment. Should be ashamed of yourself

[PadraicHenryPearse]

Disability activists said the plans were a "degrading and humiliating" value judgment that would give the impression that some people were falsifying the extent of their impairment or illness.

I'm not that familiar with this. However, it seems to be that some people are falsifying the extent of their impairment or illness. Some people, not most people.
So you need the power to investigate, but use that in  directed way so as to not investigate the really disabled, but do check others.

Anyone can be breathalysed at a checkpoint, because some people are drink driving. Anyone can have their taxes audited, because some people are not paying their taxes. But in reality, the Revenue have criteria to focus their efforts on actual offenders.

What the disabled advocates should concentrate on is designing proper criteria to identify the genuine from the chancers, then more money can be spent in those who actually are deserving because it has not been appropriated by those who are not.

It'a trait of Thatcherites to ONLY punch down. Becuase it's definitely the disabled who are the problem, eh?

The growth in payments to disabled people has to be extracted from those who work. People are happy to pay for people with genuine disabilities, but the growing number of people designated as such contains many who are less deserving.

are the disabled activists falsifying the extent of their impairment or illness (or families members] do you think?  they made the comment, you mention you are not familiar... I would think they are..

Some really vile posts but not surprising. Ill take a leaf from those arguments by asking should people in wheelchairs because of disabilities but lifted out and drop to see if they fall or walk.

Absolutely vile disgusting comment. Should be ashamed of yourself

just stooping to your level. degrading and dehumanising wouldn't it be. something you have spent the last few posts mocking!!!

[Armagh18]

It'a trait of Thatcherites to ONLY punch down. Becuase it's definitely the disabled who are the problem, eh?

I don't think anyone here expressed a problem with disabled. It's those that are claiming disability but are perfectly able bodied  are the scourge.

They are a scourge. But snapchap is right, be better to punch up rather than down. The rich are scrounging a whole lot more from society than the poor.

[Rossfan]

Now about today's election.....

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It'a trait of Thatcherites to ONLY punch down. Becuase it's definitely the disabled who are the problem, eh?

I don't think anyone here expressed a problem with disabled. It's those that are claiming disability but are perfectly able bodied  are the scourge.

They are a scourge. But snapchap is right, be better to punch up rather than down. The rich are scrounging a whole lot more from society than the poor.

Rich and off shore havens are a scourge. They own government and politicians. That's a whole other issue. It's pretty much always been the way since Moses was a boy. Only changes when people are pushed too far, revolt, tear the place up and break the wheel. We're not at that stage yet. This type of change most people don't want. They want stability. And anyway it doesn't take long for the new crowd in to show themselves up to be just as big of pricks. Gradual change without all that may be possible with strong politicians fighting for the people but that's a whole other discussion.

What the discussion was about, at least what I think it was about, was comments on HH wanting putting in checks on people claiming benefits. Reasonable enough. No need for all the hyperbolic shite came afterwards and people jumping on their high horses.