Things that make you go What the F**k?

[Armagh18]

This policy has nothing to do with big brother or tracking our every move. in essence it's a shakedown by the Inland Revenue disguised as a restriction on immigrant labour.

Basically the Labour government are broke and are looking to force  employees or services paid in cash into paying income tax and NI. There's loads of small businesses that operate with cash, avoiding most of the regulation and taxation that Whitehall are looking to control. I would imagine the end stage of this legislation is that tax inspectors can walk into businesses or building sites and demand to see the tax identity data for workers, fining or shutting businesses that are unable to provide them.

It's a pure con job in my opinion and another fatal error by this Labour government, more interested in shaking down businesses for a few more tax pennies than looking to increase growth or national productivity.

Or they could tax the 1% a bit more. You'd guarantee there'd be billions more to gain from squeezing the wealthiest than this shite.

Can just imagine this scheme costing billions, being half rolled out before they abandon it. 

[RedHand88]

Starmer was under relentless attack in recent times. He used to be against it, now hes for it all of a sudden.

I sense the strong pimp hand of one Anthony Blair, New Ruler of Gaza. Mixed up with Oracle and an evangelist of surveillance capital.

Control of migration is trivial , it is being done purely for political reasons. Recall this was going on even when they had their own citizens locked down.

Euan Blair , the spawn of Satan himself,   owns the company that will  benefit from the new digital ID. Making the software, Apps or something.

But sure , nothing  to see here.

Austin.

That is not true. It is a fake conspiracy theory with no basis in reality. That information does not appear anywhere except for melts posting it on Facebook. Nowhere anywhere have contracts been announced or discussed.
You, like many others, are being taken in by fake statements online and repeating them as fact.
Why do so many people possess zero critical analysis skills now?

[Munchie]

Digital ID proposal

All sounds very sinister, looks like they are keeping Tony's lad out of it for now.

[Munchie]

Starmer was under relentless attack in recent times. He used to be against it, now hes for it all of a sudden.

I sense the strong pimp hand of one Anthony Blair, New Ruler of Gaza. Mixed up with Oracle and an evangelist of surveillance capital.

Control of migration is trivial , it is being done purely for political reasons. Recall this was going on even when they had their own citizens locked down.

Did you throw lots of words in the air and just put them down as they landed, my head hurts trying to read that.

[Munchie]

I am definitely not a tin foil hat guy nor an arch-libertarian

But this digital ID makes me very uneasy also

I just see too many ways for governments to exploit it and I don't think the case for it is even close to being made

Imagine there was a digital ID in the 70's and 80's here - where the RUC could track your every move

Has anyone put forward a convincing argument for it yet?

Anyways back to imagining, Steve Jobs would have been in is teens getting the oul iPhone rolled out!

[Munchie]

This policy has nothing to do with big brother or tracking our every move. in essence it's a shakedown by the Inland Revenue disguised as a restriction on immigrant labour.

Basically the Labour government are broke and are looking to force  employees or services paid in cash into paying income tax and NI. There's loads of small businesses that operate with cash, avoiding most of the regulation and taxation that Whitehall are looking to control. I would imagine the end stage of this legislation is that tax inspectors can walk into businesses or building sites and demand to see the tax identity data for workers, fining or shutting businesses that are unable to provide them.

It's a pure con job in my opinion and another fatal error by this Labour government, more interested in shaking down businesses for a few more tax pennies than looking to increase growth or national productivity.

I would say there is a lot of truth in that, but the idea is being hijacked by the tin hat brigade unfortunately as you can see with nonsense like Jim Galvin's presidential bid or President Macron's wifes gender, the headcases shout and pollute the airwaves more than anyone.

[GTP]

If they wanted to track you it is very likely they could already do so. The mass tracking of data on the internet already happens and the only issue it causes me is the stupid adverts that the supercomputer thinks I will click on. Unless government gets more successful at implementing large scale projects particularly in IT, it won't see the light of day for a long time so wouldn't be too concerned about what it might do at this stage.
As for "Imagine there was a digital ID in the 70's and 80's here - where the RUC could track your every move" - In the past they had photo montages of 'suspects' which got passed into the hands of Loyalist killers, it doesn't take a digital ID for people to do something sinister with information.

[HiMucker]

I am definitely not a tin foil hat guy nor an arch-libertarian

But this digital ID makes me very uneasy also

I just see too many ways for governments to exploit it and I don't think the case for it is even close to being made

Imagine there was a digital ID in the 70's and 80's here - where the RUC could track your every move

Has anyone put forward a convincing argument for it yet?

This would be my exact thoughts on it also.

[Franko]

This policy has nothing to do with big brother or tracking our every move. in essence it's a shakedown by the Inland Revenue disguised as a restriction on immigrant labour.

Basically the Labour government are broke and are looking to force  employees or services paid in cash into paying income tax and NI. There's loads of small businesses that operate with cash, avoiding most of the regulation and taxation that Whitehall are looking to control. I would imagine the end stage of this legislation is that tax inspectors can walk into businesses or building sites and demand to see the tax identity data for workers, fining or shutting businesses that are unable to provide them.

It's a pure con job in my opinion and another fatal error by this Labour government, more interested in shaking down businesses for a few more tax pennies than looking to increase growth or national productivity.

Maybe only 25-30+ years ago ,  cash was  the vast  majority of all transactions. How did  any government ever manage to collect any tax at all , with  the whole country  seemingly  on the fiddle. I guess those  schools, hospitals and roads must  have built themselves.

But I'd imagine when they collect  those extra pennies  from  the last of those tax avoiders ,  the NHS can be fixed , and we'll all live in a land of  milk and honey.

Yeah that's reeves take on it anyway.

I ask again - what's stopping this approach being taken now?

From the BBC

"Employers will no longer be able to rely on a National Insurance number - which is currently used as part of proof of right to work - or paper-based checks.
At the moment, it is quite easy to borrow, steal or use someone else's National Insurance number and that is part of the problem in the shadow economy - people sharing National Insurance numbers for example. The idea is that having a picture attached would make it - in theory - harder to abuse that system."

So the entirety of the case in favour of this is to make it easier for the tax man to catch guys doing the double?

I agree with Kier Starmer on this - its a terrible idea

[Franko]

If they wanted to track you it is very likely they could already do so. The mass tracking of data on the internet already happens and the only issue it causes me is the stupid adverts that the supercomputer thinks I will click on. Unless government gets more successful at implementing large scale projects particularly in IT, it won't see the light of day for a long time so wouldn't be too concerned about what it might do at this stage.
As for "Imagine there was a digital ID in the 70's and 80's here - where the RUC could track your every move" - In the past they had photo montages of 'suspects' which got passed into the hands of Loyalist killers, it doesn't take a digital ID for people to do something sinister with information.

It definitely doesn't.  But then why would you willingly make it easier for them to get hold of that information?

[Milltown Row2]

I haven't enough fucks to care about this tbh... but

For those that don't want to have a physical digital ID what are the actual downsides to it to say no to it? But taking into account the current digital mapping that we currently have going on?

And for those that have no issues with it, what benefits will it bring to you, other than making sure those that are tax dodging or illegals are prevented or lessen?

[lurganblue]

I haven't enough fucks to care about this tbh... but

For those that don't want to have a physical digital ID what are the actual downsides to it to say no to it? But taking into account the current digital mapping that we currently have going on?

And for those that have no issues with it, what benefits will it bring to you, other than making sure those that are tax dodging or illegals are prevented or lessen?

I'm probably a bit like this.  I'm sure if I really dug into it there would be things that I dont like, but not enough to really care.

I'm not precious in terms of data etc.  I, like so many others, upload my face ID and finger prints on my phone.  I realise I am being tracked.  I realise devices are listening to me. Your biometric data is collected by countries as you enter on your hols already (USA for example).

I signed up for the covid pass so I could get a pint at an event.

What is the main concern here that I am missing?

[Munchie]

What is the main concern here that I am missing?

"They" are out to get you!

[GTP]

It definitely doesn't.  But then why would you willingly make it easier for them to get hold of that information?

If the British government get to the point where they are tracking me amongst the 69 million population of the UK I will accept we are in a police state and the digital ID is bad. Otherwise, it is as likely to have as much impact on my day-to-day life as my National Insurance number, my passport number, my driver licence number and my TV licence.
I accept there is a principled argument against big brother surveillance and the damage this could do but I have no influence on the policy decision and no influence on implementation so no point getting worked up about it.

[thebigfella]

Anyone that thinks they cannot be tracked now and these IDs will make a difference is f**king delusional.

Just to be clear, your data is being collected, governments can track/profile you or predict your behaviour; and are some are very good at it. The reason why certain governments are not crawling all over cyber security is because they exploit the same vulnerabilities the "bad actors" use.

The horse bolted a long time ago.