Tyrone County Football and Hurling

[Sean Og Patriots]

Okane
Devlin Hampsey Quinn
McKernan Donnelly McGeary
Conn Kennedy
Daly Harte Morgan
McElholm Canavan D McCurry

[Goals_Will_Come]

Goalkeeper: Niall Morgan
Full Back Line: Paudie Hampsey, Peter Teague, Cormac Quinn, Niall Devlin, Aidan Clarke
Half Back Line: Michael McKernan, Rory Brennan, Kieran McGeary, Shea O'Hare, Frank Burns
Midfield: Brian Kennedy, Conn Kilpatrick, Ben McDonnell, Joe Oguz
Half Forward Line: Mattie Donnelly, Peter Harte, Sean O'Donnell, Ciaran Daly, Conor Meyler
Full Forward Line: Darren McCurry, Darragh Canavan, Mark Bradley, Eoin McElholm, Ruairi Canavan

If anyone looks at that and doesn't see genuine All Ireland Contenders you clearly don't want to see Malachy or Tyrone to succeed. We lost one game against a rested Mayo side who had to respond after their first game, missing three key players in Hampsey, Kennedy and McElholm - in context we were vulnerable coming into the game and back to back performances have been hard to come by for all teams in the chase so far. So result not surprising, performance disappointing but no different than what has been seen across the other contenders this summer. Beat Cavan in two weeks, we more than likely top the group and are fresh for the Quarter final for a three game sprint at winning it. Very achievable.

Tyrone had no game from 26th April to 24th May before they played Donegal so don't think calling Mayo a "rested" team is fair.  Mayo's need to win the game was greater. 

McElholm has been an underage star, but bit early to be calling him a key player at this stage, more of an impact player at the moment?

Key players include impact players of the bench. When you consider the impact the bench has against Armagh and Donegal, losing them players contributed to not being able to turn the Mayo deficit around. O'Hare, Gray, Donaghy Ruairi and Harte had no impact of the bench. A full out Tyrone team would of had Harte, Teague/Hampsey, McDonnell and McElholm to bring in - second half becomes a very different story then.

[statto]

Goalkeeper: Niall Morgan
Full Back Line: Paudie Hampsey, Peter Teague, Cormac Quinn, Niall Devlin, Aidan Clarke
Half Back Line: Michael McKernan, Rory Brennan, Kieran McGeary, Shea O'Hare, Frank Burns
Midfield: Brian Kennedy, Conn Kilpatrick, Ben McDonnell, Joe Oguz
Half Forward Line: Mattie Donnelly, Peter Harte, Sean O'Donnell, Ciaran Daly, Conor Meyler
Full Forward Line: Darren McCurry, Darragh Canavan, Mark Bradley, Eoin McElholm, Ruairi Canavan

If anyone looks at that and doesn't see genuine All Ireland Contenders you clearly don't want to see Malachy or Tyrone to succeed. We lost one game against a rested Mayo side who had to respond after their first game, missing three key players in Hampsey, Kennedy and McElholm - in context we were vulnerable coming into the game and back to back performances have been hard to come by for all teams in the chase so far. So result not surprising, performance disappointing but no different than what has been seen across the other contenders this summer. Beat Cavan in two weeks, we more than likely top the group and are fresh for the Quarter final for a three game sprint at winning it. Very achievable.

Tyrone had no game from 26th April to 24th May before they played Donegal so don't think calling Mayo a "rested" team is fair.  Mayo's need to win the game was greater. 

McElholm has been an underage star, but bit early to be calling him a key player at this stage, more of an impact player at the moment?

Key players include impact players of the bench. When you consider the impact the bench has against Armagh and Donegal, losing them players contributed to not being able to turn the Mayo deficit around. O'Hare, Gray, Donaghy Ruairi and Harte had no impact of the bench. A full out Tyrone team would of had Harte, Teague/Hampsey, McDonnell and McElholm to bring in - second half becomes a very different story then.

Your being a bit disrespectful to Mayo here Tyrone were flat right across the board last weekend and deserved all they got. McElholm has not been setting the world alight at intercounty level similar to Ruairi Canavan to an extent, who has shown great club form and underage form, but hasn't been able to transition that to senior level as yet.

[Truthsayer]

I don't see All Ireland this year but def in top 5. Hard to see past Armagh and Donegal/Kerry in the mix. Definitely are improving albeit Saturday wasn't good and can see an All Ireland within next 3 years. Malachy be ok. Is ones just waiting for any defeat to get the boot in. You know who you are!

[tiempo]

A few pundits have said similar and how I feel also, Tyrone not looking like potential winners but could take anyone out, thats the challenge now, get over Cavan, maybe take a big gun out in a quarter final, at that stage with the tails up and a quality squad many of whom know how to get over the line and 2 games from glory you never know

Armagh look the irresistible force to me at the moment and I just can't hate a team that is so damn good given the journey they've been on, huge respect for what they've done in recent years, bounced back from gut-wrenching defeat and they way McGeeney has developed the squad and kept lads on board - they'd be the ideal team to derail 😉

[tyrone08]

A few pundits have said similar and how I feel also, Tyrone not looking like potential winners but could take anyone out, thats the challenge now, get over Cavan, maybe take a big gun out in a quarter final, at that stage with the tails up and a quality squad many of whom know how to get over the line and 2 games from glory you never know

Armagh look the irresistible force to me at the moment and I just can't hate a team that is so damn good given the journey they've been on, huge respect for what they've done in recent years, bounced back from gut-wrenching defeat and they way McGeeney has developed the squad and kept lads on board - they'd be the ideal team to derail 😉

Armagh do look very good however i dont think they are much ahead of the pack. Beat tyrone by 1 point, beaten by donegal and their 5 point win over dublin was flattering considering dublin gifted them 3 of the 5 points from breaches and the fact that dublin missed everything from scoreable positions.

[Truthsayer]

A few pundits have said similar and how I feel also, Tyrone not looking like potential winners but could take anyone out, thats the challenge now, get over Cavan, maybe take a big gun out in a quarter final, at that stage with the tails up and a quality squad many of whom know how to get over the line and 2 games from glory you never know

Armagh look the irresistible force to me at the moment and I just can't hate a team that is so damn good given the journey they've been on, huge respect for what they've done in recent years, bounced back from gut-wrenching defeat and they way McGeeney has developed the squad and kept lads on board - they'd be the ideal team to derail 😉

Armagh do look very good however i dont think they are much ahead of the pack. Beat tyrone by 1 point, beaten by donegal and their 5 point win over dublin was flattering considering dublin gifted them 3 of the 5 points from breaches and the fact that dublin missed everything from scoreable positions.

Rian is a huge factor. He wasn't playing against Tyrone or Donegal. They played Dublin off the field, never looked like losing. I can live with Armagh win All Ireland as long as they don't get up to 4.
Anyone but Derry!.. and Kerry..

[cjx]

Clear as day to win with new rules a team needs:
1. A kickout strategy that works
2. Big mobile men up the middle
3. Good strong shooters
   with brains.

You might say what is new but look at Tyrone in that context

Tyrone fail on 1 ( winning between 30% and (at best) 50%. 66% min. Required Armagh have hit near 90% in some matches this year.

Are dodgy on 2. Middle
Teague good but inexperienced
Brennan anonymous (not the cordinator he might be)
Kennedy injured
Kilpatrick flaky
Donnelly does his best but age and speed against him now
Canavan brilliant moments but overall weak,small and takes fancy options too often.

And Weak on 3. Apart from MCCurry shot selection weak (and he hasn't been fed the he needs often enough) Few 40m+ shots worked 20m in from side line. Shooting lines bad.

To make best of what's available this team?
Morgan
Teague ( move up 2nd half Quinn)
Hampsey
Devlin
Meyler
McKiernan
Harte (O'Donnell)
Kennedy
Kilpatrick
McGeary (?)  (R Canavan - last chance)
McDonnell (McElhom)
McCurry
Donnelly
D Canavan

[Mikhailov]

Clear as day to win with new rules a team needs:
1. A kickout strategy that works
2. Big mobile men up the middle
3. Good strong shooters
   with brains.

You might say what is new but look at Tyrone in that context

Tyrone fail on 1 ( winning between 30% and (at best) 50%. 66% min. Required Armagh have hit near 90% in some matches this year.

Are dodgy on 2. Middle
Teague good but inexperienced
Brennan anonymous (not the cordinator he might be)
Kennedy injured
Kilpatrick flaky
Donnelly does his best but age and speed against him now
Canavan brilliant moments but overall weak,small and takes fancy options too often.

And Weak on 3. Apart from MCCurry shot selection weak (and he hasn't been fed the he needs often enough) Few 40m+ shots worked 20m in from side line. Shooting lines bad.

To make best of what's available this team?
Morgan
Teague ( move up 2nd half Quinn)
Hampsey
Devlin
Meyler
McKiernan
Harte (O'Donnell)
Kennedy
Kilpatrick
McGeary (?)  (R Canavan - last chance)
McDonnell (McElhom)
McCurry
Donnelly
D Canavan

Tyrone finding it hard enough currently without trying to play and win with only 14 men !!!!

[Easttyrone23]

After the u20s all Ireland win Tyrone have won a total of 14 all Ireland titles at senior, u20/21 and minor level since the turn of the century which is the joint most (along with Dublin) in that time period.

Kerry are just behind on 13,
Galway 8,
Cork 6,
Derry 4 (all minor)
Armagh 3,
Mayo 2,
Kildare 2,
And a host of counties have won 1.

[Goals_Will_Come]

Clear as day to win with new rules a team needs:
1. A kickout strategy that works
2. Big mobile men up the middle
3. Good strong shooters
  with brains.

You might say what is new but look at Tyrone in that context

Tyrone fail on 1 ( winning between 30% and (at best) 50%. 66% min. Required Armagh have hit near 90% in some matches this year.

Are dodgy on 2. Middle
Teague good but inexperienced
Brennan anonymous (not the cordinator he might be)
Kennedy injured
Kilpatrick flaky
Donnelly does his best but age and speed against him now
Canavan brilliant moments but overall weak,small and takes fancy options too often.

And Weak on 3. Apart from MCCurry shot selection weak (and he hasn't been fed the he needs often enough) Few 40m+ shots worked 20m in from side line. Shooting lines bad.

To make best of what's available this team?
Morgan
Teague ( move up 2nd half Quinn)
Hampsey
Devlin
Meyler
McKiernan
Harte (O'Donnell)
Kennedy
Kilpatrick
McGeary (?)  (R Canavan - last chance)
McDonnell (McElhom)
McCurry
Donnelly
D Canavan

I would like to think after Mayo game that we don't bother trying to play Ruairi Canavan at wing forward again, simply didn't work. Moving McGeary who has been back in form and wing back and one of our best players? Crying out for a half forward line and you put Meyler wing back even though he has played all his football at wing forward.

If we can get this out on the field and these replacements coming in, we will be as close as anyone.
Morgan
Hampsey
Teague
Quinn
McKernan
Brennan
McGeary
Kennedy
Kilpatrick
Meyler
Mattie
Harte
McCurry
Bradley
DCanavan

O'Donnell
McElholm
McDonnell
Daly
RCanavan
Devlin
Oguz

[thebigfullforward]

Clear as day to win with new rules a team needs:
1. A kickout strategy that works
2. Big mobile men up the middle
3. Good strong shooters
   with brains.

You might say what is new but look at Tyrone in that context

Tyrone fail on 1 ( winning between 30% and (at best) 50%. 66% min. Required Armagh have hit near 90% in some matches this year.

Are dodgy on 2. Middle
Teague good but inexperienced
Brennan anonymous (not the cordinator he might be)
Kennedy injured
Kilpatrick flaky
Donnelly does his best but age and speed against him now
Canavan brilliant moments but overall weak,small and takes fancy options too often.

And Weak on 3. Apart from MCCurry shot selection weak (and he hasn't been fed the he needs often enough) Few 40m+ shots worked 20m in from side line. Shooting lines bad.

To make best of what's available this team?
Morgan
Teague ( move up 2nd half Quinn)
Hampsey
Devlin
Meyler
McKiernan
Harte (O'Donnell)
Kennedy
Kilpatrick
McGeary (?)  (R Canavan - last chance)
McDonnell (McElhom)
McCurry
Donnelly
D Canavan

People are far too quick to write off players. Ruairi Canavan last chance? What age is he? 21? How long did it take for Darragh to get to where he is? You'll be calling for someone else to come in and replace him and they'll do the exact same thing. Give younger lads a chance.

[NotedObserver]

Darragh getting a hard time being called weak and small. He's a class act. Quick ball into him and he's one of the best forwards in the country 

[tiempo]

Could Conor Owens offer something at 11 in the mould of John Maher. Good size, mobile, running power, good range of passing and scoring threat?

We need at least one out and out forward on the 40s, 3 generalists/grafters doesn't work

[qz]

We won 57% of our own kickouts v Armagh (Armagh won 95% of their K outs)
We won 65% of our own kickouts v Donegal (DGL won 63% of their K outs)
We won 62% of our own kickouts v Mayo (Mayo won 75% of their K outs)


The biggest issue is we need to win more of the opposition k outs. as well as improve on our own K out win rate to say 70s. (Armagh 95% could be considered an outlier with the new rules)
Our best sector is on short kick outs where we won 27/29 over the 3 games. Maybe focus on a short K out strategy initially v Cavan.

A couple of decent wing half forwards would help. Daly & Donaghy not showing what is needed for the role over multiple games.

Clear as day to win with new rules a team needs:
1. A kickout strategy that works
2. Big mobile men up the middle
3. Good strong shooters
  with brains.

You might say what is new but look at Tyrone in that context

Tyrone fail on 1 ( winning between 30% and (at best) 50%. 66% min. Required Armagh have hit near 90% in some matches this year.

Are dodgy on 2. Middle
Teague good but inexperienced
Brennan anonymous (not the cordinator he might be)
Kennedy injured
Kilpatrick flaky
Donnelly does his best but age and speed against him now
Canavan brilliant moments but overall weak,small and takes fancy options too often.

And Weak on 3. Apart from MCCurry shot selection weak (and he hasn't been fed the he needs often enough) Few 40m+ shots worked 20m in from side line. Shooting lines bad.

To make best of what's available this team?
Morgan
Teague ( move up 2nd half Quinn)
Hampsey
Devlin
Meyler
McKiernan
Harte (O'Donnell)
Kennedy
Kilpatrick
McGeary (?)  (R Canavan - last chance)
McDonnell (McElhom)
McCurry
Donnelly
D Canavan