NFL Division 1 2025

Started by Blowitupref, January 15, 2025, 04:10:17 PM

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Who will win the Div 1 final

Kerry
2 (40%)
Mayo
3 (60%)

Total Members Voted: 5

Voting closed: March 29, 2025, 01:26:17 PM

SouthOfThe Bann

Quote from: weareros on February 22, 2025, 09:15:04 PMDerry need to develop a kicking game. Their style of play will have a team gassed after 20 mins. That said they could have had 4 goals themselves. However Dublin are starting to look ominous. Con came back and was scoring effortsly. He's another 2 point option for them. Sean Bugler looked in a lot of stress however. He was having some game. The Hill needs an education on the new rules. Maybe an announcer on the tannoy could help in those situations.

Donegal play a running game and they're not gassed after 20 mins?

Both teams do need more kicking though

Mario

Quote from: weareros on February 22, 2025, 09:15:04 PMDerry need to develop a kicking game. Their style of play will have a team gassed after 20 mins. That said they could have had 4 goals themselves. However Dublin are starting to look ominous. Con came back and was scoring effortsly. He's another 2 point option for them. Sean Bugler looked in a lot of stress however. He was having some game. The Hill needs an education on the new rules. Maybe an announcer on the tannoy could help in those situations.
Derry kicked the ball twice as much as Dublin, who were playing basketball around the arc. Kicking it away was our second biggest issue after our goalkeeper

Ball Hopper

Quote from: Orior on February 22, 2025, 09:18:33 PMAccording to the programme, Paddy Burns played left back for both the Armagh senior men and Armagh senior ladies team this evening.

Don't tell Donald Trump!

Don't tell him there is no such position as "left back" on a GAA team either.

Mario

Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 22, 2025, 09:02:56 PMIs this Derrys level though?

Have they the players to be much better?

You might say yes... But that was 2 years ago different rules and exceptional manager.
Gallagher was an exceptional manager but all the top teams have top managers, that's a min requirement. We've had 6 all stars and a young player of the year in 22 and 23, don't agree with your narrative that we've no talent and it was all Gallagher.

SouthOfThe Bann

Quote from: Mario on February 22, 2025, 09:27:46 PM
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 22, 2025, 09:02:56 PMIs this Derrys level though?

Have they the players to be much better?

You might say yes... But that was 2 years ago different rules and exceptional manager.
Gallagher was an exceptional manager but all the top teams have top managers, that's a min requirement. We've had 6 all stars and a young player of the year in 22 and 23, don't agree with your narrative that we've no talent and it was all Gallagher.

I'm not so sure whether I agree with you that all the top teams have top managers.

I haven't seen a manager improve a team so much as Gallagher other than McGuinness and despite what way media portrayed his style of play they were exiting to watch.

weareros

Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 22, 2025, 09:19:41 PM
Quote from: weareros on February 22, 2025, 09:15:04 PMDerry need to develop a kicking game. Their style of play will have a team gassed after 20 mins. That said they could have had 4 goals themselves. However Dublin are starting to look ominous. Con came back and was scoring effortsly. He's another 2 point option for them. Sean Bugler looked in a lot of stress however. He was having some game. The Hill needs an education on the new rules. Maybe an announcer on the tannoy could help in those situations.

Donegal play a running game and they're not gassed after 20 mins?

Both teams do need more kicking though

It's fine in Ballybofey or a slow rural pitch this time of year while grounds are heavy but in fast open spaces of Croke Park you'll want to be extremely fit to play that type of game in the summer, assuming these new rules still apply.

SouthOfThe Bann

Quote from: weareros on February 22, 2025, 09:56:36 PM
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 22, 2025, 09:19:41 PM
Quote from: weareros on February 22, 2025, 09:15:04 PMDerry need to develop a kicking game. Their style of play will have a team gassed after 20 mins. That said they could have had 4 goals themselves. However Dublin are starting to look ominous. Con came back and was scoring effortsly. He's another 2 point option for them. Sean Bugler looked in a lot of stress however. He was having some game. The Hill needs an education on the new rules. Maybe an announcer on the tannoy could help in those situations.

Donegal play a running game and they're not gassed after 20 mins?

Both teams do need more kicking though

It's fine in Ballybofey or a slow rural pitch this time of year while grounds are heavy but in fast open spaces of Croke Park you'll want to be extremely fit to play that type of game in the summer, assuming these new rules still apply.

You could be right.

Donegal have the long range kickers to take advantage of the two pointers in the summer as do yourselves.

Can see them kicking the odd one into murphy too.

Bring back club football

#982
Finding the Rory Gallagher love in very interesting.

Look at the facts.

Derry did very well in his tenure during covid times but struggled a lot before hand even given the time he had to work with the squad.

Which is no surprise really as they were in full flight when the rest of the country was in lock down.

He is undoubtedly a good coach and a good manager but the pedestal some Derry people have put him on is quite puzzling.  There's any number of people who could do as good a job if let do their work. 

His regime is McGuinness like and leaves a large degree of carnage in its wake. 

He has caused havoc in the background following his necessary removal. 

Looking at Donegal in 2024 and 2025 given the players Gallagher had at his disposal in his time there you could reasonably argue he really underachieved in his term there. They had a serious squad of players in his tenure. We won't even discuss the carnage that Aidan O'Rourke and Paddy Bradley oversaw.

Long story short, decent coach/manager but not the messiah portrayed and the longer his shadow looms in the background the worse it is for Derry gaa.  In a way I've zero sympathy for Tally. He's another one of these careeer managers/coaches. In another way I do as it's a serious mess. 

Main Street

Quote from: Bring back club football on February 22, 2025, 10:52:06 PMFinding the Rory Gallagher love in very interesting.

Look at the facts.

Derry did very well in his tenure during covid times but struggled a lot before hand even given the time he had to work with the squad.

Which is no surprise really as they were in full flight when the rest of the country was in lock down.

He is undoubtedly a good coach and a good manager but the pedestal some Derry people have put him on is quite puzzling.  There's any number of people who could do as good a job of let do their work. 

His regime is McGuinness like and leaves a large degree of carnage in its wake. 

He has caused havoc in the background following his necessary removal. 

Looking at Donegal in 2024 and 2025 given the players Gallagher had at his disposal in his time there you could reasonably argue he really underachieved in his term there. They had a serious squad of players in his tenure. We won't even discuss the carnage that Aidan O'Rourke and Paddy Bradley oversaw.

Long story short, decent coach/manager but not the messiah portrayed and the longer his shadow looms in the background the worse it is for Derry gaa.  In a way I've zero sympathy for Tally. He's another one of these careeer managers/coaches. In another way I do as it's a serious mess. 



tbrick18

I think Derry haven't worked out how to play the new rules.
People saying they looked gassed after 2 mins, I think we look more like a team who doesn't know how to play this new game. That comes down to management.
Felt sorry of Mcnicholl in the end, not his fault but he's not a keeper and he's not good enough to compete out the field. Lynchy all day for me. Is scullion off the panel altogether? He did well least season when playing.

Only positives out of tonight was to see Paudie and Nial back on the field. Both still looked rusty but they need the match practice. Marty Bradley did himself no harm either.


quit yo jibbajabba

Quote from: Bring back club football on February 22, 2025, 10:52:06 PMFinding the Rory Gallagher love in very interesting.

Look at the facts.

Derry did very well in his tenure during covid times but struggled a lot before hand even given the time he had to work with the squad.

Which is no surprise really as they were in full flight when the rest of the country was in lock down.

He is undoubtedly a good coach and a good manager but the pedestal some Derry people have put him on is quite puzzling.  There's any number of people who could do as good a job if let do their work. 

His regime is McGuinness like and leaves a large degree of carnage in its wake. 

He has caused havoc in the background following his necessary removal. 

Looking at Donegal in 2024 and 2025 given the players Gallagher had at his disposal in his time there you could reasonably argue he really underachieved in his term there. They had a serious squad of players in his tenure. We won't even discuss the carnage that Aidan O'Rourke and Paddy Bradley oversaw.

Long story short, decent coach/manager but not the messiah portrayed and the longer his shadow looms in the background the worse it is for Derry gaa.  In a way I've zero sympathy for Tally. He's another one of these careeer managers/coaches. In another way I do as it's a serious mess. 


Could you list the any number of people who could've done a similar job as Gallagher with Derry please and thanks

DubsforSam

Quote from: Mario on February 22, 2025, 09:20:20 PM
Quote from: weareros on February 22, 2025, 09:15:04 PMDerry need to develop a kicking game. Their style of play will have a team gassed after 20 mins. That said they could have had 4 goals themselves. However Dublin are starting to look ominous. Con came back and was scoring effortsly. He's another 2 point option for them. Sean Bugler looked in a lot of stress however. He was having some game. The Hill needs an education on the new rules. Maybe an announcer on the tannoy could help in those situations.
Derry kicked the ball twice as much as Dublin, who were playing basketball around the arc. Kicking it away was our second biggest issue after our goalkeeper

You had to kick it more because Dublin put more pressure on up the field so you couldn't bandpass it around. The fact that you struggle kicking a ball is a sad indictment on coaching.

Dub played basketball as you say because Derry defence drop back into defence and don't put you under pressure

Dunneroyal

Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 22, 2025, 09:42:30 PM
Quote from: Mario on February 22, 2025, 09:27:46 PM
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on February 22, 2025, 09:02:56 PMIs this Derrys level though?

Have they the players to be much better?

You might say yes... But that was 2 years ago different rules and exceptional manager.
Gallagher was an exceptional manager but all the top teams have top managers, that's a min requirement. We've had 6 all stars and a young player of the year in 22 and 23, don't agree with your narrative that we've no talent and it was all Gallagher.

I'm not so sure whether I agree with you that all the top teams have top managers.

I haven't seen a manager improve a team so much as Gallagher other than McGuinness and despite what way media portrayed his style of play they were exiting to watch.
A manager can make or break a team. If there is talent there. A ideological manager ie one we had for last couple of years can stifle that talent. A good one can nurture it and let it flourish ie the manager we have now.
Hon the royal

cornetto

Michael Murphy not named in match day 26 for donegal and 5 changes from team that beat Armagh.I suppose they are safe so can experiment a bit more🤔Dublin fairly took Derry asunder last night who made us look very ordinary in second half last week.and mayo came good to draw against Armagh.If anything it shows you can't read too much into league results.Hoping for a Galway win today the wind is not too bad in salthill but the pitch could be a different story.

snoopdog

Quote from: cornetto on February 23, 2025, 08:39:09 AMMichael Murphy not named in match day 26 for donegal and 5 changes from team that beat Armagh.I suppose they are safe so can experiment a bit more🤔Dublin fairly took Derry asunder last night who made us look very ordinary in second half last week.and mayo came good to draw against Armagh.If anything it shows you can't read too much into league results.Hoping for a Galway win today the wind is not too bad in salthill but the pitch could be a different story.
I think the league final is the week before Donegal play Derry in championship. You couldn't make up how stupid the GAA are.
Donegal will want to avoid a league final for that reason.