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#31
General discussion / Re: Come in if you Hate Christmas
December 22, 2023, 03:09:19 PM
Derry SFC final 1993 - The final was late because of Derry's run to Sam.  Lavey had been nominated for Ulster but after beating Kingscourt, they surrendered their title to eventual winners Errigal Ciaran. With Derry's team holiday looming, the final needed to be played on St Stephen's Day. (from Derrynow)
#32
Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
December 11, 2023, 11:03:51 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 11, 2023, 09:04:11 AM
Quote from: AntrimRealist on December 11, 2023, 08:44:36 AM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on December 11, 2023, 12:03:17 AMNo foul. Great tackle
MR2 would agree with you except he has to back whatever decision the referee gave :D

Trust me, I've no issues, there was a sending off recently and I was saying it wasn't (from what I seen) and the vast majority of ref's I spoke to said it was a red..

Goes both ways in fairness, I've had plenty of ref's question calls I've done, It's not a biggy or something to worry about.

There is only one whistle and one go at it. The players have plenty of chances to win or lose a game, this team coughed up 6 points in 2 minutes?
I don't think anyone has said the referee cost Magherafelt the match and 3 of those 6 points did come as a direct result of the decision to give the penalty.
In the video the referee can briefly be seen in a good position on the edge of the D with a clear view of the ball as the attacker gains possession. The attacker moves left as the referee is looking at it and based on the video this would put 2 or 3 Magherafelt players in the referee's line of sight. He would also have the attacker's body blocking his view of the goalkeeper and his actions. So the referee was in position but and I appreciate this is speculating the play quickly moved in a direction were perhaps he was unsighted and unable to get himself a clear view. He will have seen the attacker go to strike his shot then almost immediately go over the top of the keeper and down. I am guessing but it probably did look like a foul and penalty from behind the play where the referee was, getting his one and only view of the incident.
I still think it was an incorrect decision, but perhaps an understandable one for the referee to make rather than a very poor one as stated previously.
#33
Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
December 10, 2023, 08:19:34 PM
"brilliant piece of brave goalkeeping, perfectly executed"
"Huge call for the penalty. Looked like 'keeper Karl Campbell did everything right."
Quotes from two Derry based journalists  from twitter.
And good to see that the players didn't  question the decision it wouldn't have changed it and referees don't need it.
They get enough abuse online.
#34
Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
December 10, 2023, 06:57:38 PM
I think the keeper made a save and the collision was not a foul. Obviously you feel different as did the referee. The ref only gets one look at it from whatever angle and distance away he happens to be. I'm sure the decision to award the penalty was based on a genuine belief it was a foul but I happen to disagree.
Maybe innocentbystander will re-enter the discussion since they asked your opinion and stated the decision was "absolutely awful".
#35
Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
December 10, 2023, 06:15:55 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 10, 2023, 04:49:11 PM
Quote from: GTP on December 10, 2023, 12:43:40 PMVideo on Jerome Quinns and St Paul's twitter. It looks like a very poor decision to give a foul.

The foul where the goal keeper takes out the player?

Give your head a wobble

Is that tackle a free on any part of the pitch?
I have wobbled my head a little. And in my opinion the keeper makes a save and the attacker's momentum takes him over the opposition player. I appreciate you  would know the rules better than me but a block (or save) followed by a collision does not look like a free to me.
#36
Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
December 10, 2023, 12:43:40 PM
Video on Jerome Quinns and St Paul's twitter. It looks like a very poor decision to give a foul.
#37
Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
December 01, 2023, 10:36:56 AM
Quote from: Real Talk on November 30, 2023, 07:47:13 PMWhat age are the County Minor teams 17 or 18 ?

And who is in charge of the Minors in 2024 ?

County minor teams remain at under 17 and Damian McErlain remains in charge. I believe a panel was put in place a couple of weeks ago.

As well as any questions on the Senior League. What age groups are being used at underage in club games?
#38
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 28, 2023, 09:06:25 PMYeah it was me who asked. Cheers for that. Shame it's behind a paywall. I'd like to read that and see more details on the figures. It's a topic I have a genuine interest in


Irish TImes
Conor Gallagher
Tue Mar 21 2023 - 05:00

Less than 7 per cent of the more than 4,500 deportation orders issued in the last five years have been seen through by force, according to Department of Justice figures.
A further 9.2 per cent of failed asylum seekers left the country themselves after their applications were unsuccessful, leaving some 3,900 people, more than 80 per cent, with an unknown status. Security sources said a large proportion of these applicants would have left the State without telling the authorities, but the exact figure is impossible to determine.
In total, 4,631 deportation orders were issued by the Government to people whose asylum applications were rejected between 2018 and last year. Gardaí enforced 314 such orders, according to figures released under the Freedom of Information Act.
The Department of Justice assisted another 430 people to self-deport, according to separate figures released in response to a parliamentary question. This is done by referring failed asylum seekers to the International Office for Migration (IOM) which assists them with voluntarily returning to their country of origin.
Asked about the issue, the department said many other people leave the country "of their own accord". A spokeswoman said forced deportations were only carried out as a "last resort, where the person concerned has not removed themselves or engaged with the IOM to avail of assisted voluntary return measures".
Just 26 deportations were carried out by force last year, representing some 5 per cent of the deportation orders issued.
The highest number of forced deportations were carried out in 2019, when 155 people (some 6.7 per cent of total deportation orders issued) were escorted out of the State by gardaí.
"Deportation and removal processes are an essential part of any immigration system; it must be acknowledged that those who do not have a legal right to remain in this country must return to their own country, following fair procedure and having gone through all available avenues for appeal," the department spokeswoman said.
"A person subject to a deportation order has no legal basis to remain in the State. Their case to remain in the State has been considered in detail and all available appeals processes have been exhausted."
She said deportation orders were not enforced during the Covid-19 pandemic, "except in cases of individuals whose presence in Ireland would be contrary to the public interest". Just 33 such orders were issued in 2020, with five forced deportations and 33 self-deportations recorded.
Taoiseach Leo Varadkar told the Dáil earlier this month that "work is being done to increase the number of deportations to countries of transit and countries of origin". He said deportations were difficult to carry out "and you can only ever do a certain number".
However, he said the deportations carried out had "an important deterrent effect".
"If people believe that if they come to the country, claim international protection and have no prospect of being deported, this will increase the number of people who come here invalidly."
Separately, 24 people were removed from Ireland last year under the Dublin Convention, which states asylum seekers must seek refugee status in the first safe country they arrive in.
"While the numbers of transfers effected appear low, it should be noted that Dublin regulation transfers can be challenging to enforce due to a number of factors, including potential legal challenges and transfer arrangements which need to be made with the returning country," Minister for Justice Simon Harris said earlier this month.

#39
GAA Discussion / Re: Ulster Club SFC 2023
November 25, 2023, 09:57:13 PM
Forward and defensive mark should be banished from the sport.
Glen are in the top 2 in Ulster so cannot be bang average.
I don't think refs buy most of the rolling around so not sure why players keep at it. They must watch games back and be embarrassed.
#40
GAA Discussion / Re: Assaults at GAA games
November 14, 2023, 09:40:47 AM
I'm not sure the GAA could take disciplinary action against individuals recording individual segments of matches such as scores or brawls even if there is a rule against it. People will post these videos as others will comment on them as can be seen from the reaction on this message board. In the incident recorded at least the adults and mentors entering the field of play appear to be making a genuine attempt to break up the fighting and restore order rather than getting involved. Unsavoury, lots of pushing and shoving, but would there be any more than 4 players who could be said to have struck someone.
Conor McKenna was sent off as third man in against Fermanagh so rule is or was on place. As Sky Sports say - The Eglish clubman was the third man into a melee, and referee Joe McQuillan gave him his marching orders
Hard for any referee to take proper action in these cases as so much going on maybe went for the standard red card for each team (or maybe even yellow)
#41
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on November 05, 2023, 08:07:17 PMIt was closed by Antrim GAA and ripped apart by Antrim GAA.
My recollection is the initial delay in construction was caused by safety concerns raised late in the process. Can't find a reference but it may have been to do with being unable to evacuate if a bomb was left on the Andersonstown Road.
Someone may correct me but the old Casement was unlikely to get a safety certificate as the concrete terrace was crumbling. Therefore it was closed in anticipation of work starting much sooner than it will (if it does)
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/casement-park-whistleblower-settles-case-against-sport-ni/35058936.html
#42
GAA Discussion / Re: Standard of Refs
October 17, 2023, 01:03:30 PM
The linesmen seemed to be on the pitch a lot during any break or when a foul was awarded IMO it gave a perception they were advising the ref. Therefore taking his authority away and leaving him more open to criticism from the sidelines. It didn't look like proper teamwork.
Could be a simple explanation like their mics weren't working so they needed to go in and talk to referee.
#43
GAA Discussion / Re: Standard of Refs
October 16, 2023, 03:35:32 PM
Quote from: Estimator on October 16, 2023, 11:47:01 AMWas at a minor championship semi final yesterday and the ref issued a black card, the corner back made his way to the bench, only for the linesman to instruct the ref that the challenge wasn't actually a black card offence. Ref called the player back from the bench, cancelled the black card and given a yellow card instead.
The linesman had to intervene a few times throughout the match to assist the ref with his decisions.

The linesman coming on to the pitch a few times to consult with the referee certainly didn't help him establish authority in the match. In this incident it did result in the correct decision as no black card offence had occurred, I think yellow was for a foot block resulting in a penalty. A certain section of the losing team's supporters took against the ref from the start and seemed determined to blame him for the result. The change of card from black to yellow to their benefit didn't lessen the criticism. I'd say he got most of the calls right across the 60 minutes and nothing controversial missed or given that would affect the result. You could argue about his style of refereeing but don't think it would be justifiable to complain about the standard.
#44
Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
October 14, 2023, 12:02:49 AM
Swatragh
Loup
Glen
and Magherafelt to win.
Ballinderry intermediate Ulster champions 2024.
#45
Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
October 13, 2023, 09:35:29 AM
Quote from: toby47 on October 13, 2023, 09:09:50 AMWhat are Derry going to do to get the league structures in order? Teams refusing to play the relegation play off this weekend for the 2nd year in a row. Where do they go from here?
Which teams are refusing to play the relegation play off? It did seem this year that the structure of the senior championship was pretty clear with two teams relegated to Intermediate. You would think if a team doesn't turn up they would lose the game and be relegated. Better off playing, maybe winning and if you lose try and find a loophole.
Although the best solution would be the rules are set properly, clearly communicated by the county board and clubs adhere to them.