Students may be an easy target. And everyone slags the students, even though most have been there. At the risk of sounding a lot older than i am however, it really wasn't like this in my day!
I know it's long, but it's worth a read.
QuoteThe never ending frat parties that make life hell for the neighbours
Suzanne Breen Northern Editor
THEY showed him no respect in life but his wife hoped that, in death, it might be different. She was wrong.
A group of students in Belfast's university area drank, shouted and urinated in the street as Gerard Morgan's coffin was carried into the house.
"They'd been partying non-stop from the day before, " says Sheila Morgan. "The noise and antics as I waked my husband was horrendous. Neighbours told them Gerard had been killed in an accident at work and to be respectful. They paid no heed.
"It took two police visits to quieten them.
The morning of the funeral police had to sit outside my door to ensure the coffin could leave with dignity." Two months later, Sheila fights back tears recalling the scene. "Students here put us through hell, " she says.
"Gerard was secretary of the residents' group.
He was threatened with a hurling stick for complaining about noise.
"Other residents have been badly beaten.
The students are drunk every night of the week. Partying continues to 5am. It's impossible to sleep. I get out of bed and sit downstairs smoking. When we moved in as a young married couple in the 1980s, there'd be occasional student noise but you'd say 'lads keep the music down' and they'd oblige. Now, you get a brick through the window."
The extent of anti-social behaviour is unbelievable to all but those living in the area, says resident Mary McKillop. She points to dents in her front door which students have tried to kick in, either maliciously or drunkenly in search of a party.
"My garden furniture has been smashed and my plants destroyed. Beer bottles are hurled at my house. Two years ago, I was beaten up. My (then) neighbours were partying at 3am and I went to their door to ask them to stop. A female student came out. She pushed me to the ground and kicked me.
"I was knocked unconscious and taken to hospital. My nerves have never recovered. I'm on medication. My son has moved back home because I'm too frightened to live on my own.
I desperately want out."
Bohemian feel The 'Holyland' area as it's known (because most street names are biblical) runs from Queen's University to the banks of the Lagan.
It was once one of the city's loveliest districts. Its diverse social and religious mix had a bohemian feel even during the war. It was unique by Belfast standards - in one street, an ex-UDR member lived doors from a former republican prisoner.
Until the late 1990s, there was a healthy mix of long-term residents and students. But as Queen's and the University of Ulster expanded, so did the local student population. As student behaviour spiralled out of control, most residents sold up.
Now, 5,000 students are packed into a dozen streets; only around 100 residents remain. Had the paramilitaries driven so many out, there'd be outrage. Most remaining residents are too old or too stubborn to move. Others, like Mary McKillop, are trapped because they aren't owner occupiers who can sell up. Their houses are owned by a private housing association and they can't secure a transfer to an association property elsewhere.
Decent students now won't live in the Holyland, preferring quieter parts of Belfast. It's easy to see why. On Wednesday at 6pm, students have dragged sofas and stereos into their front gardens or the pavement. The music and noise is at night-club levels; hundreds of people are drunk on the streets.
In Carmel Street, 10 male students sit outside a house. Using a three-foot catapult, they fire a water bomb from 40 yards at myself and my six-week old daughter. It splashes the pram. The students cheer as the baby screams. Two passers-by witness the attack and are willing to make statements. I telephone police but, after an hour waiting for them to arrive, give up.
On Thursday night at 11pm, students hurl bricks across Agincourt Avenue. At 2am, four drunken male students drag an interior door from their Palestine Street home onto the pavement. They smash its glass panels.
At 3am, students 'bounce' a car into the middle of Rugby Avenue. A red car with five drunken students nearly collides into it. The police are called.
Student behaviour has deteriorated so much that community safety wardens now walk the streets until 4am. At 3.15am, wardens try to quieten a house party in Cairo Street.
At 3.30am, bins are blazing in the alleyway off Penrose Street. The fire brigade can be out three times a night to extinguish bin and skip fires started by students. At 3.30am, students are dancing on car bonnets in Fitzroy Avenue. This isn't extraordinary -- it's a typical night.
Johanna Kershaw moved to the Holyland from Cork five years ago. "I thought living beside the university would be lovely -- it's the worst slum in Northern Ireland. The students here are completely different from the ones in Cork, and the gardai wouldn't tolerate their behaviour like the PSNI do."
Kershaw's home has been attacked: "Once, students threw a bucket of excrement over the front of the house. Another night, they set plants in my garden on fire. I started screaming. Since September, I've had only 17 nights without partying from my neighbours. I do housework in the middle of the night because I can't sleep.
"Playing football or hurling on the street at 3am is the norm. It's so bad that a family of Zimbabwean asylum seekers moved out. I was walking my wee dogs two nights ago when a male student yelled: 'Get the f**k out of the Holyland you oul' whore and take your rats with you!'" Drunk on the roof Kershaw says the trouble is caused by rural students "going buck mad" at university:
"The area is just a big zoo. One student's father asked if I'd complained about his son.
I said his boy was crazy. 'My son's a pioneer', he said. 'He might be a pioneer when he's down on the farm with you but he's not a pioneer when he's drunk on the roof, shouting and urinating onto the street below at 4am, ' I said. I showed him photographs I'd taken."
The universities have established panels to investigate complaints against students and "discipline" those found guilty. This academic year, the University of Ulster has delivered 37 written and 152 verbal warnings. Queen's have fined 54 students and issued three written warnings.
"It's a PR exercise to ease pressure on the universities, " says resident Alan Murray, himself a mature student at Queen's. "Hundreds of students run riot every night. Only a tiny fraction face disciplinary hearings, and they rightly treat written and verbal warnings as a joke. The fines are minimal - no more than students spend on a night out.
"Expelling students is the only threat they'd take seriously and the universities won't do that. The sons and daughters of the rural rich can attack residents' homes, beat them up, and continue with their degree. If the vicechancellor was beaten up or his house covered in excrement, those responsible wouldn't be let into a lecture theatre again."
Murray is the latest resident leaving. As he packs his bags on a sunny afternoon, drunken students in Rugby Avenue drag a chest of drawers onto a first-floor bay and raise a Tennant's flag over it. Most residents are on tranquilisers or sleeping tablets. "I'm not ashamed to admit I'm one" says Murray.
"And I play a white noise CD to drown out the drunken shouting."
Mother of two, Joanne Fields, was driven out of the area three months ago: "Students smashed my windows and stole my pram. The worst incident was last summer when a drunk student forced his way past me into the house at 10pm. He walked up the stairs and climbed into my daughter's bed. I'd never seen him before in my life.
"I screamed at him to get out and dialled 999. The police came and drove him away.
They didn't arrange to take a written statement from me or a neighbour who witnessed it. When I phoned to see if the student had been charged, the police said, 'oh, usually this sort of thing doesn't happen again'. They don't take residents seriously. We're treated like dirt."
PSNI are 'spineless' The vast majority of students are nationalist and some residents attribute PSNI inaction to a desire not to alienate young middle-class Catholics. An officer who works elsewhere in the city has a different perspective: "My colleagues in south Belfast are spineless.
"They have certain stereotypes. Anti-social behaviour is associated with a chav in tracksuit bottoms. He'll be arrested. A student making people's lives hell is just a high-spirited guy who needs a light scolding."
Brian Gillen, who served 10 years in Long Kesh as a republican prisoner, lived in the Holyland after release. He says there was no trouble from Protestant students but Catholic students, post-peace process, became increasingly sectarian and contemptuous: "You'd try to sleep against a backdrop of shouts of 'Up the Ra'.
"Anyone challenging them was deemed a Protestant and got a mouthful of sectarian abuse. They weren't genuine republicansjust cowardly arseholes. One night, students in the house next door to me were partying at 5am.
"My child couldn't sleep. I asked them to turn it down. 'F**k off you Orange bastard!'
one told me as the 'Boys of the Old Brigade' blasted from their stereo. 'I'll give you the 'Boys of the Old Brigade'.' I said. I got laid into them." Gillen has also moved out: "I'm one of the lucky ones. My heart goes out to people still left there. It's only going to get worse."
http://www.tribune.ie/article.tvt?_scope=TribuneFTF&id=118933&SUBCAT=&SUBCATNAME=&DT=01/06/2008%2000:00:00&keywords=holyland&FC (http://www.tribune.ie/article.tvt?_scope=TribuneFTF&id=118933&SUBCAT=&SUBCATNAME=&DT=01/06/2008%2000:00:00&keywords=holyland&FC)
Glad i never had the misfortune to live in the Holylands. Funny thing is, some of these people likely post on here. Disgraceful.
I would say there are people like that post on here,the ones that love going to renshaws on the rip and getting a fry in some shit hole on the ormeau road
lived in the holylands 4 4 years was great craic
I lived just off the holy lands on university street. It was starting to go that way whenever I left university.
Some of the stories on there are disgusting.
Minder is there a problem with going on the drink in Renshaws and getting a fry. I done it and many more on here done it too. I never threw excretment, etc etc. To be honest I spent three years in the Holylands and the only thing I witnessed remotely related to that story was the Up da Ra chants.
I did see many local youths in the Holylands break car windows and target students in gangs. Not just students to blame.
Eviction and expulsion from University or college is what should be done. I think thats what most places would do anyway
I dont think the residents are entirely blameless apart from anything else some of the comments in that article make them look like right wankers.
The students imo are just a demonstartion of everything that's wrong in today's society with regards to alcholol. There's got to be more to life than sitting in Renshaws or the Bot in your GAA jersey drinking all day - or sitting in the house drinking three ltr bottles of cider. How much you can drink without puking over yourself or pissing the bed is not a demonstration of your manhood but it's not just the students that are at this - they just happen to have free time, mammy and daddy's money and all live together so their behaviour stands out.
btw, anyone that lives in any of dumps of houses in the Holylands deserve a medal!
Probably not implementable (is that a word) but the licensed premises in the surrounding area should be forced to take more responsibility for the results of their profit making.
They gladly fill these students full of drink (ok, some of them need no encouraging) and then its out on the street you go. Out to rampage and tear the shite out of the homes of innocent people (other students included as well as residents).
Talk about ripping the complete bag outta something, the way they talk about the holylands here you would think it was beirut or somewhere like that
What a pile of exaggerated balls
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 02, 2008, 07:56:19 PM
Talk about ripping the complete bag outta something, the way they talk about the holylands here you would think it was beirut or somewhere like that
What a pile of exaggerated balls
You have a fair point, however - what if it was your mother that had a drunk student pushing past her and crawling into her daughters bed?
If it was your garden being torched, or covered with shit - or if you had a 24 hour party next door to you with a young family?
It might certainly begin to feel like beruit.
Its very easy to pass this off as sensationalism - but the reality is that if even half this carry on is happening to residents - its not good..
It's a filthy noisy kip. The students don't care - they're only there for 5 days a week for 30 weeks of the year and leave the place in a dump. I know i wouldn't want to live anywhere close
ONL is 100pc correct - 'exaggerated balls.' Not much evidence is given in the article to corroborate any of the claims.
The social problems in the holylands work both ways, with 'spides' from the Ormeau contributing to the problem also. There doesnt seem to be any easy solution to the existing problem.
QuoteONL is 100pc correct - 'exaggerated balls.' Not much evidence is given in the article to corroborate any of the claims.
What evidence could the article provide?
I've no doubt some of the residents love playing the victims but there is no denying that students cause a big problem in the area.
Yes, but on the other hand, the residents cause the students a lot of problems. What about all the craic with the paint stripper being poured over cars on Agincourt at the beginning of the 06/07 term for example?
Cant be bothered to read through the article again but I would seriously doubt the gravity of some of these 'assaults.' Strange for the police not acting upon some of those claims ::)
Quote from: Stalin on June 02, 2008, 08:20:17 PM
Yes, but on the other hand, the residents cause the students a lot of problems. What about all the craic with the paint stripper being poured over cars on Agincourt at the beginning of the 06/07 term for example?
Cant be bothered to read through the article again but I would seriously doubt the gravity of some of these 'assaults.' Strange for the police not acting upon some of those claims ::)
Yeah I agree with that,
QuoteMy (then) neighbours were partying at 3am and I went to their door to ask them to stop. A female student came out. She pushed me to the ground and kicked me.
"I was knocked unconscious and taken to hospital.
That's a hairy story if ever there was one! and the "other residents have been badly beaten" claim is a bit ridiculous.
Reminds me a bit of the 'Give my head peace' (or whatever they call it now) sketch
Noone ever offers the flipside, when I was in my second year walking home (drunk) by myself I got mugged on university avenue, wouldn't think it was students that did this, lost my money and my phone.
Plus I think my house(s) have been robbed about ten times in four years, at the weekends mostly.
Also saw a student house getting threatened to be burnt out, a house of girls who barely went out
The residents in the holylands are the lowest of the low
Plus what about the landlords/house owners? Cramming as many cash cows into each house as they can, taking three storey houses and turning them into three separate flats with about three ppl sharing a kitchen and living room the size of your bathroom at home
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 02, 2008, 08:36:06 PM
Noone ever offers the flipside, when I was in my second year walking home (drunk) by myself I got mugged on university avenue, wouldn't think it was students that did this, lost my money and my phone.
Plus I think my house(s) have been robbed about ten times in four years, at the weekends mostly.
Also saw a student house getting threatened to be burnt out, a house of girls who barely went out
The residents in the holylands are the lowest of the low
Plus what about the landlords/house owners? Cramming as many cash cows into each house as they can, taking three storey houses and turning them into three separate flats with about three ppl sharing a kitchen and living room the size of your bathroom at home
Are they really the residents of the holylands NAIL, or are they the sc**bag elements from neighbouring areas who just know where to pick on vunerable students?
Ref Belfast Students... perhaps Blow-ins from the country?... the thing is that if you have six lads from the country and say three get into Queen's - well the other three will move up for the 'crack'.. get a shite job in a bar and party!!! .... Sad bestards!
Actually pints that assault you quoted might have some credence, just remembered all the lovely big heifers of wemen you would see in shaws and the likes with their packed out Tyrone/Armagh jersey on :D
My own experiences perhaps offer a microcosmic perspective of the troubles in the Holylands. Almost every week some w**ker was coming home blocked and kicking the wing mirror off my car, a temporary but ongoing problem. But once, my car was broken into by spides and proper damage was done!
New reply by ONL-the landlords in the Holylands are a joke, f**king over students as much as they can for an extra buck in the month.
New reply by HOTB- wtf lol (ps only the english spell it 'crack.')
Agree with yous on the Landlords and I don't understand why the student's unions don't speak up about this - do they do anything?
Why is it that the students of Queens and UUJ have to take on 12 month leases when the students of St Mary's refuse and get away with refusing to take on 12 month leases?
Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch on June 02, 2008, 08:39:18 PM
Ref Belfast Students... perhaps Blow-ins from the country?... the thing is that if you have six lads from the country and say three get into Queen's - well the other three will move up for the 'crack'.. get a shite job in a bar and party!!! .... Sad bestards!
Lived in belfast five years and have to say I have never seen this happen, have you any evidence to back this up hotb?
I lived in the holylands for 4 years, and aye, mostly it was great craic. Towards the end though, I definitely noticed it deteroriating, there was a spotlight programme which heightened tensions for a while. All the 'Up the Ra' shit is ridiculous, I remember shortly after the aforementioned programme, everyone gathered on the streets, for whatever reason. I was a latecomer, but Alex MAskey came out to disperse everyone. The jist of what he said was 'Yous are all pricks, away home and shut up', but cos it was alex maskey everyone cheered, instead of rasing whatever grievances they felt they had.
In my last year, I was trying to get work done, and fell out with a few student houses, forming an unlikely alliance with an oul bitch that lived beside us, so I know what its like from their point of view. There definitley does need to be something done, and its up to the students to wise up.
Having said that, the story above is sensationalist, and doesnt attempt perspective. For example: The only person I have honestly ever heard of getting attacked in the holylands was a student who was hit across the face with a baseball bat by a resident who was hiding in an alley - he was in intensive care for months, but thankfully made an almost full recovery.
Also,I'm amazed that some of the above stories havent popped up before, I still live in belfast, and am sure they would have been seen somewhere. Also, just for fun: Strong racist element 'It's so bad that a family of Zimbabwean asylum seekers moved out'
also, irresponsible parenting, taking her baby daughter to work, esp such a dangerous posting after hours...
Yeah I have never heard of any of these stories they have mentioned, if this went on then people would defiitely be talking about it for ages!
Plus I am with corn in that I have spent my fair share of time in the shaws and had many's a fry from helen's. Plus i dare you to call it some shitty place to helen and her army of workers they would have you for breakfast lunch and dinner son.
You could also fall out with charles stubbs for comments like that
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 02, 2008, 07:45:11 PM
I dont think the residents are entirely blameless apart from anything else some of the comments in that article make them look like right wankers.
Maybe they're not, but i'd find it hard to be rational if i lived in there permanently.
Quote from: Stalin on June 02, 2008, 08:20:17 PM
Yes, but on the other hand, the residents cause the students a lot of problems. What about all the craic with the paint stripper being poured over cars on Agincourt at the beginning of the 06/07 term for example?
Cant be bothered to read through the article again but I would seriously doubt the gravity of some of these 'assaults.' Strange for the police not acting upon some of those claims ::)
The paint-stripper on cars was mentioned in a side column of the article in the paper.
You doubt that assaults happen on the basis that the police didn't act on such claims? Such a possibility is really beyond comprehension?
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 02, 2008, 09:00:50 PM
Yeah I have never heard of any of these stories they have mentioned, if this went on then people would defiitely be talking about it for ages!
But you're hearing them now. Why would you necessarily have heard them all before?
Because i have lived in belfast for five years thats why. I am gonna stand by what I said until he gives me examples, plural, of this accusation he made. Complete anti-student bullshit. Why do youse all ball lick the spides? Do you resent the students getting to uni and having a good time while you were at home w**king off cows?
QuoteMaybe they're not, but i'd find it hard to be rational if i lived in there permanently.
Yeah maybe so but some of the comments about the country and the farms just show them up to be typical Belfast wankers!
Nail
QuoteBecause i have lived in belfast for five years thats why. I am gonna stand by what I said until he gives me examples, plural, of this accusation he made. Complete anti-student bullshit. Why do youse all ball lick the spides? Do you resent the students getting to uni and having a good time while you were at home w**king off cows?
So because you've lived in Belfast for five years you're aware of everything that has happened?
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 02, 2008, 09:08:46 PM
Because i have lived in belfast for five years thats why. I am gonna stand by what I said until he gives me examples, plural, of this accusation he made. Complete anti-student bullshit. Why do youse all ball lick the spides? Do you resent the students getting to uni and having a good time while you were at home w**king off cows?
Do you protest too much?
Who is 'ball licking' spides? I'm sure there have been plenty of 'spide' treads - this story is about students.
Oh, and i went to University - Queen's and UU - and still live in Belfast 11 years later. I had a great time at Uni, went out loads, got drunk plenty of time, like most students. However, i don't believe i ever did anything as shameful as in that article, or impacted negatiely on local residents.
I have also never wanked off a cow.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 02, 2008, 09:10:42 PM
QuoteMaybe they're not, but i'd find it hard to be rational if i lived in there permanently.
Yeah maybe so but some of the comments about the country and the farms just show them up to be typical Belfast wankers!
Nail
QuoteBecause i have lived in belfast for five years thats why. I am gonna stand by what I said until he gives me examples, plural, of this accusation he made. Complete anti-student bullshit. Why do youse all ball lick the spides? Do you resent the students getting to uni and having a good time while you were at home w**king off cows?
So because you've lived in Belfast for five years you're aware of everything that has happened?
Yes, many people call me the life and soul of the holylands
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 02, 2008, 09:08:46 PM
while you were at home w**king off cows?
Does this serve a purpose or is it purely recreational?
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 02, 2008, 09:14:04 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 02, 2008, 09:08:46 PM
Because i have lived in belfast for five years thats why. I am gonna stand by what I said until he gives me examples, plural, of this accusation he made. Complete anti-student bullshit. Why do youse all ball lick the spides? Do you resent the students getting to uni and having a good time while you were at home w**king off cows?
Do you protest too much?
Who is 'ball licking' spides? I'm sure there have been plenty of 'spide' treads - this story is about students.
Oh, and i went to University - Queen's and UU - and still live in Belfast 11 years later. I had a great time at Uni, went out loads, got drunk plenty of time, like most students. However, i don't believe i ever did anything as shameful as in that article, or impacted negatiely on local residents.
I have also never wanked off a cow.
I'm gonna need proof you haven't wanked off a cow
Quote from: Niall Quinn on June 02, 2008, 09:15:22 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 02, 2008, 09:08:46 PM
while you were at home w**king off cows?
Does this serve a purpose or is it purely recreational?
I think some people call it milking a cow!
Quote from: Puckoon on June 02, 2008, 08:38:27 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 02, 2008, 08:36:06 PM
Noone ever offers the flipside, when I was in my second year walking home (drunk) by myself I got mugged on university avenue, wouldn't think it was students that did this, lost my money and my phone.
Plus I think my house(s) have been robbed about ten times in four years, at the weekends mostly.
Also saw a student house getting threatened to be burnt out, a house of girls who barely went out
The residents in the holylands are the lowest of the low
Plus what about the landlords/house owners? Cramming as many cash cows into each house as they can, taking three storey houses and turning them into three separate flats with about three ppl sharing a kitchen and living room the size of your bathroom at home
Are they really the residents of the holylands NAIL, or are they the sc**bag elements from neighbouring areas who just know where to pick on vunerable students?
Do you have an answer for my question ONL?
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 02, 2008, 09:16:30 PM
Quote from: Niall Quinn on June 02, 2008, 09:15:22 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 02, 2008, 09:08:46 PM
while you were at home w**king off cows?
Does this serve a purpose or is it purely recreational?
I think some people call it milking a cow!
Having never milked a cow (or anything else), i can't be 100% sure, but i'm fairly confident you're not supposed to pull the same part of a cow's anatomy to milk it as to w**k it.
ill answer when i get home, leavin work now...
Do hurry as I don't think I can have milk with my tea until we get this resolved.
Could we have one thread that's not fucked up by immature shite?
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 02, 2008, 09:31:53 PM
Could we have one thread that's not fucked up by immature shite?
f**k off pints, what is your problem with people having a joke? Just cuz you and the owman don't get on don't take it out here, just go and have an angry w**k or something.
Anyway puckoon no i don;t think its people from teh surrounding areas, the ones that mugged me I don't think were. Then again I have nothing to back this up just like you have nothing to back up your statement.
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Quote from: tram on June 02, 2008, 09:41:25 PM
The old "IRA strong arm" route in discipline in such areas is now gone. I remember staying up one night in a friends house in the Ormeau Road with two boys who were thrown out by the bouncers in a local establishment that is a popular student haunt - two of the said bouncers were local IRA men who called around to the house the next night to "deal" with the problem. With no authority of any kind taking any real control to keep these problems in check, we now have a situation that is in the first stages of going out of control.
Very true Tram. The threat of the IRA over the catholic community is not one that can be over looked. In many ways it kept communties, towns and cities, to a lesser extent, in check. We lived in Fitzroy 11/12 years ago and had a gathering of such which got out of hand. Next door came out and threatened to get us all knee capped. Could have been complete lies, but you just never know. Anyway that was the end of the excess partying from then on.
Even Derry City, for example, got a real bad rep around 2000 for stabbings with screwdrivers. That stuff would never have been heard of in the 80's/early 90's.
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 02, 2008, 09:50:22 PM
So to reiterate pints is a w**ker.
I nearly certain that there is some sort of rule on this?
Ah lads sure the good oul honest, gaa supporting catholic folk would not be at nonsense like is mentioned in that report.........
This post is coming live from the Belfast holylands. I come from the county and had been up here living for 4 years at college. Had the craic like everyone else, went out drinking, late parties the usual student stuff. Now i work up here and have been living again in the holylands for about 9 months and i can safely say lads, what a shit-hole.. for someone who is trying to lead a normal life (working, raising a family etc). I dont think their would be about 5 nights i have gotten a unbroken sleep. You get woke out of your bed at about 3 oclock every morning by some drunken w**ker running up the street shouting for the sake of being heard or some wee bitch with a high pitched voice screming like a banshee. i had actually a conversation with a resident one saturday morning and she said she had put in a request for a move because after 8 years she could no longer take it, a lack of sleep does really take its toll on you. Sometimes if im woke out of my sleep late at night, when im going to work the next morning at 8 oclock i would horn down the horn on my car until i exited the holylands just as some sort of revenge :-\
My lease is up in a few months and i definately wont be living here thats for sure. I dont think any resident should live in the area and quite frankly it should be left for the students to wreck...if a lot of them want to live in shit-hole houses then so be it, let them at it. Dont get me wrong if you are a student then the craic is usually great, but if not the place is just a nightmare. the only saving grace i have until the end of the lease is that it is the summer months and it is beginning to get quiet.
On another topic which takes it toll on my patience would be the traffic, tight narrow streets and parking.....f**king disaster, would drive you mad in the mornings >:(
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 02, 2008, 09:50:22 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 02, 2008, 09:31:53 PM
Could we have one thread that's not fucked up by immature shite?
f**k off pints, what is your problem with people having a joke? Just cuz you and the owman don't get on don't take it out here, just go and have an angry w**k or something.
Anyway puckoon no i don;t think its people from teh surrounding areas, the ones that mugged me I don't think were. Then again I have nothing to back this up just like you have nothing to back up your statement.
So to reiterate pints is a w**ker.
Well I didnt have a statement, Id only posed a question - which ill try and answer myself from my own experience.
The residents of the Holy lands are generally not the perpetrators of crimes against students. Any time I saw any trouble there that wasnt instigated by students/among students - it was gangs of spides and ormeau road lovelies coming in and looking for a soft target. Either a vulnerable student or resident. Dont forget that the number of residents has been plumetting yearly - so by that particular FACT alone - what is left behind cannot be responsible for all the overwhelming incidents you've pointed out. Like your own mugging. Maybe it was a disgruntled resident - Id probably be prepared to wager it was some little c***ts out from down the street.
The residents for the most part want peace - if they didnt want peace there would be an interface/standoff every night. They havnt the time nor the energy to be out tearing it up with the late night revellers 7 days a week.
Are you sure pints isnt just a milker?
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 02, 2008, 09:50:22 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 02, 2008, 09:31:53 PM
Could we have one thread that's not fucked up by immature shite?
f**k off pints, what is your problem with people having a joke? Just cuz you and the owman don't get on don't take it out here, just go and have an angry w**k or something.
Anyway puckoon no i don;t think its people from teh surrounding areas, the ones that mugged me I don't think were. Then again I have nothing to back this up just like you have nothing to back up your statement.
So to reiterate pints is a w**ker.
I've no problem with people joking, it's childish immature "look at me" bullshit ruining every thread I have a problem with.
Speaking of immature shite....
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 02, 2008, 09:05:22 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 02, 2008, 07:45:11 PM
I dont think the residents are entirely blameless apart from anything else some of the comments in that article make them look like right wankers.
Maybe they're not, but i'd find it hard to be rational if i lived in there permanently.
Quote from: Stalin on June 02, 2008, 08:20:17 PM
Yes, but on the other hand, the residents cause the students a lot of problems. What about all the craic with the paint stripper being poured over cars on Agincourt at the beginning of the 06/07 term for example?
Cant be bothered to read through the article again but I would seriously doubt the gravity of some of these 'assaults.' Strange for the police not acting upon some of those claims ::)
The paint-stripper on cars was mentioned in a side column of the article in the paper.
You doubt that assaults happen on the basis that the police didn't act on such claims? Such a possibility is really beyond comprehension?
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 02, 2008, 09:00:50 PM
Yeah I have never heard of any of these stories they have mentioned, if this went on then people would defiitely be talking about it for ages!
But you're hearing them now. Why would you necessarily have heard them all before?
Asking hypothetical questions doesnt make you appear all knowing, quite the opposite in fact. You started this thread saying perhaps students were an easy target, then you lay into them. They are easy targets; they dont vote in south belfast. and that instantly means they are at a disadvantage. I can see both sides of the argument, and have already stated that the onus is on the students, but if its gonna be turned into a one sided attack on the students, then I'll go for their side.
Firstly, a lot of the residents who live in the holylands are scumbags, and live there because of its anonymous nature, anbd the fact they've being forced out of elsewhere. If you can generalise about students, then I can generalise about residents.
Secondly, yes I seriously doubt the assault claims. Whatever about police following it up, if there have being complaints, then these will have being logged. Its shoddy journalism of the highest degree not to go and ask about the number etc of these complaints, and the lack of this corroroborating evidence places the story in doubt.
Thirdly, I wopuld expect to have heard about these stories. If they are newsworthy 2 months later then they are newsworthy at the time, in particular the coffin story, andf yet the first mention is well after the event. Smells of bullshit.
You had a good student experience, and never did any of this. Grand. I'm putting it to you that neither do the vast majority of students, and you should get off your high horse. If it is true as has been claimed, that the writer is a resident of the holylands, then I would suggest that this is an amalgamation of events, and not the typical day as is suggested. It has been sensationalised, and thus lost the chance to put across a good piece highlighting the problems of the area, of which there are many.
The holylands is a disaster. There is the noise and general antisocial behaviour of some of the students (pissing everywhere, breaking wing mirrors of cars, fighting - and it is students at that), spides breaking into cars etc.
Some of the students revel in "having the craic" and cant seem to accept the rights of other people. That show on telly had a few claiming "its a student area if they dont want to put up with it they should move".
At least orpheus closed down.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 02, 2008, 10:08:53 PM
I've no problem with people joking, it's childish immature "look at me" bullshit ruining every thread I have a problem with.
Is that a self-fulfilling castigation?
Quote from: nifan on June 02, 2008, 10:10:49 PM
The holylands is a disaster. There is the noise and general antisocial behaviour of some of the students (pissing everywhere, breaking wing mirrors of cars, fighting - and it is students at that), spides breaking into cars etc.
Some of the students revel in "having the craic" and cant seem to accept the rights of other people. That show on telly had a few claiming "its a student area if they dont want to put up with it they should move".
At least orpheus closed down.
Got a good beatin outside there by a couple of bouncers one night. Was trying to pull a flatmate out of a row. Still wincing at a few of the slaps.
Quote from: nifan on June 02, 2008, 10:10:49 PM
At least orpheus closed down.
Now all the residents need is for Renshaws/Dukes to close and the problem would be sorted ;)
Lads/Lasses. i dont think anyone on this thread can defend the Holylands (as a place to live) nifan is right, it is a complete disaster. I spent 3 years living in and around the area, but had enough and travelled from the country for final year. I'm no angel, I drank as much as my mates and have been known til sing the odd song on the way home, and have certainly been in the company of fellow students thinking that it was funny to kick the wing mirrors of every car in the street, but this was 10 or 12 years ago. I can't imagine what its like for residents now. Burning wheelie bins, pissing on peoples front doors, verbal abuse, general wrecking - I dont care what you say - its not so nice!
Quote from: wherefromreferee? on June 02, 2008, 10:20:01 PM
. I'm no angel, I drank as much as my mates and have been known til sing the odd song on the way home, and have certainly been in the company of fellow students thinking that it was funny to kick the wing mirrors of every car in the street, but this was 10 or 12 years ago. I can't imagine what its like for residents now. Burning wheelie bins, pissing on peoples front doors, verbal abuse, general wrecking - I dont care what you say - its not so nice!
I have a feeling that most people here defending the students are those who either are students or recently were students. As you state, you would have been up their the same time as myself. Yes there was singing, boistrousness etc. I dont recall one act of crass rudeness like pissing on doors or verbal abuse. Especially were the residents were concerned.
The thing is Green Man, I do. Now, in fairness, we've all probably been caught short when 'bursting' on the way home, and it probably wasn't intentional, but I have been in the company of lads pissing in the wrong places. Clearly it might not be happening these days.
As for the verbal abuse, I'd say that common enough these days, sure you nearly get it coming out of Mass ;D ;D
Lived in the Holylands for 2 years, most students are decent people, get drunk, have a bitta craic, etc. but the generalisations made by the Residents is completely over the top. Sure there may be 1% of students who are giving the rest of them a bad name, but the residents arent angels also.
I know a group of lads that had a gas cylinder threw through their front window for having a party by the local 'hoods'.
A bit of perspective is needed.
Quote from: wherefromreferee? on June 02, 2008, 10:35:33 PM
The thing is Green Man, I do. Now, in fairness, we've all probably been caught short when 'bursting' on the way home, and it probably wasn't intentional, but I have been in the company of lads pissing in the wrong places. Clearly it might not be happening these days.
As for the verbal abuse, I'd say that common enough these days, sure you nearly get it coming out of Mass ;D ;D
What. 'I do' as in backing the students? From the reports coming out, it'd be hard for anyone to plead their cause. Manners is easy carried. That is what its all about. Manners. I don't think anyone is saying that the students have to angelic, be home by 8 and in bed by 10. But being civil and mannerly, surely is something that should be beat into everyone of us from an early age. Do you not think?
Quote from: the green man on June 02, 2008, 10:53:54 PM
Quote from: wherefromreferee? on June 02, 2008, 10:35:33 PM
The thing is Green Man, I do. Now, in fairness, we've all probably been caught short when 'bursting' on the way home, and it probably wasn't intentional, but I have been in the company of lads pissing in the wrong places. Clearly it might not be happening these days.
As for the verbal abuse, I'd say that common enough these days, sure you nearly get it coming out of Mass ;D ;D
What. 'I do' as in backing the students? From the reports coming out, it'd be hard for anyone to plead their cause. Manners is easy carried. That is what its all about. Manners. I don't think anyone is saying that the students have to angelic, be home by 8 and in bed by 10. But being civil and mannerly, surely is something that should be beat into everyone of us from an early age. Do you not think?
Finally - a bit of common sense. I sure hope all my beatins werent in vain.
Quote from: Puckoon on June 02, 2008, 10:54:57 PM
Quote from: the green man on June 02, 2008, 10:53:54 PM
Quote from: wherefromreferee? on June 02, 2008, 10:35:33 PM
The thing is Green Man, I do. Now, in fairness, we've all probably been caught short when 'bursting' on the way home, and it probably wasn't intentional, but I have been in the company of lads pissing in the wrong places. Clearly it might not be happening these days.
As for the verbal abuse, I'd say that common enough these days, sure you nearly get it coming out of Mass ;D ;D
What. 'I do' as in backing the students? From the reports coming out, it'd be hard for anyone to plead their cause. Manners is easy carried. That is what its all about. Manners. I don't think anyone is saying that the students have to angelic, be home by 8 and in bed by 10. But being civil and mannerly, surely is something that should be beat into everyone of us from an early age. Do you not think?
Finally - a bit of common sense. I sure hope all my beatins werent in vain.
Puck, from what I hear you should be bate every time you wake up :P :P :D
I am in absolutely no doubt that the article is completely fabricated lies.
In saying that, as someone who lived there for 3 years until last year, the holylands would be a horrible place for any resident to live. I think a bit of noise is to be expected with people coming home from going out but there are some culchie gulpins about with zero wit or sense but for some reason think that they are better than locals because they have a-levels and their parents aren't unemployed. I'd be loud on the way home too and at parties and sometimes drinking outside but i someone asks you to stop, its just about having a bit of manners. Too many people don't unfortunately.
The worst that happens (and admittedly this must be horrible for residents) is noise late at night, the mess around the place and when the weather is good- drinking outside withe extra mess and noise. I have never saw someone or heard of anyone wrecking a residents car or assaulting someone.
Quote from: the green man on June 02, 2008, 10:58:08 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on June 02, 2008, 10:54:57 PM
Quote from: the green man on June 02, 2008, 10:53:54 PM
Quote from: wherefromreferee? on June 02, 2008, 10:35:33 PM
The thing is Green Man, I do. Now, in fairness, we've all probably been caught short when 'bursting' on the way home, and it probably wasn't intentional, but I have been in the company of lads pissing in the wrong places. Clearly it might not be happening these days.
As for the verbal abuse, I'd say that common enough these days, sure you nearly get it coming out of Mass ;D ;D
What. 'I do' as in backing the students? From the reports coming out, it'd be hard for anyone to plead their cause. Manners is easy carried. That is what its all about. Manners. I don't think anyone is saying that the students have to angelic, be home by 8 and in bed by 10. But being civil and mannerly, surely is something that should be beat into everyone of us from an early age. Do you not think?
Finally - a bit of common sense. I sure hope all my beatins werent in vain.
Puck, from what I hear you should be bate every time you wake up :P :P :D
Bate everytime the old man passed me - his rationale:
"Yer either coming from doing something you shouldnt have - or you are on yer way to doing something you shouldnt"
Quote from: haranguerer on June 02, 2008, 10:09:33 PM
Speaking of immature shite....
I'm not sure where the 'immaturity' is, but let me reply - although i'm not sure why you're beng so abrasive - have i offended you in some way?
Quote from: haranguerer on June 02, 2008, 10:09:33 PM
Asking hypothetical questions doesnt make you appear all knowing, quite the opposite in fact. You started this thread saying perhaps students were an easy target, then you lay into them.
I'm not trying to appear 'all-knowing' - i'm asking genuine questions. And i am not laying into 'students' per se, but reserve the right to be critical of anyone acting as described in the article. I don't think i have stated that this relates to all students.
Quote from: haranguerer on June 02, 2008, 10:09:33 PM
They are easy targets; they dont vote in south belfast. and that instantly means they are at a disadvantage.
Why does that make them easy targets? And they can vote wherever they want - i voted in South Belfast when i was at University. Although i'm not sure how they would be disadvantaged for choosing otherwise. I'd imagine most doen't register to vote there because they don't really care what happens there - they don't intend on living there for too long, which is, i believe, the root of the problem.
Quote from: haranguerer on June 02, 2008, 10:09:33 PM
I can see both sides of the argument, and have already stated that the onus is on the students, but if its gonna be turned into a one sided attack on the students, then I'll go for their side.
Logic and total lack of logic in one sentence. You defend what is right, not necessarily the party under attack surely?
Quote from: haranguerer on June 02, 2008, 10:09:33 PM
You had a good student experience, and never did any of this. Grand. I'm putting it to you that neither do the vast majority of students, and you should get off your high horse. If it is true as has been claimed, that the writer is a resident of the holylands, then I would suggest that this is an amalgamation of events, and not the typical day as is suggested. It has been sensationalised, and thus lost the chance to put across a good piece highlighting the problems of the area, of which there are many.
I don't know the background of the writer nor do i know the details of the specific stories, but i have lived in Belfast long enough and seen enough of the Holylands to have my own opinion - one that has been echoed by other posters on this thread. There may be an agenda behind the article, i don't know. There may be some sensationalisation or fabrication even, again i don't know. What i do know is that there are issues in this area.
Also, i'm not on my 'high horse' - i don't think i'm great for not doing any of that stuff, just normal, like you would expect people to be. And yes, as you said, like the vast majority of students.
Quote from: Rav67 on June 02, 2008, 10:59:39 PM
I am in absolutely no doubt that the article is completely fabricated lies.
In saying that, as someone who lived there for 3 years until last year, the holylands would be a horrible place for any resident to live. I think a bit of noise is to be expected with people coming home from going out but there are some culchie gulpins about with zero wit or sense but for some reason think that they are better than locals because they have a-levels and their parents aren't unemployed. I'd be loud on the way home too and at parties and sometimes drinking outside but i someone asks you to stop, its just about having a bit of manners. Too many people don't unfortunately.
The worst that happens (and admittedly this must be horrible for residents) is noise late at night, the mess around the place and when the weather is good- drinking outside withe extra mess and noise. I have never saw someone or heard of anyone wrecking a residents car or assaulting someone.
But Rav, have you not just contradicted yourself?
Lived up in holylands for 3 years and it is not as bad as it has been made out to be. Aye there are the usual crowd of pricks who get the rest of the students a bad name, however most of the students are grand. The first two weeks of term were always a bit mad as was the last week of term. Not backin up students but know a house of girls who were threatened a couple of times by resident. Also the incident at the start of last year with the cars on our street bein sprayed with acid. But you do feel very sorry for the older people and families who live in the area but there were definetly alot of dodgey characters around the area. The situation in the area isnt helped by them idiots of wardens who wander round the holylands with a serious ego. They definetly do not antiganise the students. The cops also dont do any favours, as they are very agressive when dealing with students. Hard situation to sort out, but the way the University of Ulster have the set up in Portstewart would be a good idea but it aint fesible in bfast.
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 02, 2008, 11:05:56 PM
Quote from: Rav67 on June 02, 2008, 10:59:39 PM
I am in absolutely no doubt that the article is completely fabricated lies.
In saying that, as someone who lived there for 3 years until last year, the holylands would be a horrible place for any resident to live. I think a bit of noise is to be expected with people coming home from going out but there are some culchie gulpins about with zero wit or sense but for some reason think that they are better than locals because they have a-levels and their parents aren't unemployed. I'd be loud on the way home too and at parties and sometimes drinking outside but i someone asks you to stop, its just about having a bit of manners. Too many people don't unfortunately.
The worst that happens (and admittedly this must be horrible for residents) is noise late at night, the mess around the place and when the weather is good- drinking outside withe extra mess and noise. I have never saw someone or heard of anyone wrecking a residents car or assaulting someone.
But Rav, have you not just contradicted yourself?
No, what I was saying is that there is noise and mess and some twats........but those incidents recorded in the article of assaults and the like are utter bullshit, I'm sure of that.
I've lived in the Holylands area for 4 years (botanic for 1 year but we're not argue for the difference), 2 years as a student and 2 years working 9-5 and I have to see that the article bears absolutely no relation to the actual reality of living there. Yes, there's a lot of noise but its isolated incidents, maybe once a week you'd get woken up in the middle of the night by some clown. The way students are protrayed as aggresive thugs just doesn't fit the facts. Immature eejits would be closer. I do have a lot of sympathy for some of the residents and there's no way I want to live in the Holylands much into my mid 20s but articles like that are a complete distortion of the facts.
The worst trouble I ever had in the Holylands was when I lived above a drug dealer who wasn't a student but had his "mates" calling round looking money every so often and trying to get us to open the front door to let them in. There are non student anti-social elements within the Holylands who use the fact that it isn't a regular community to blend into the background.
As a student I'd have to say that I prefered my time in halls to living in the Holylands. More craic and a lot safer.
round the 210 mark nearlymad!
not all student go all like what this article says. to blame them for what a marginal group are at is just wrong and to say their all from the country is ridiclous. many students can go out and have good time, come home and not annoy anyone.
Coming to the end of my fourth year living in the area.
I would start by saying that I am utterly disgusted with the pathetic senationalism that oozes from this article. It is completely anecdotal, portraying an extremely limited if not completely false view of the situation and its problems.
Gerard Morgan, the lady's dead husband, is said by the lady to be 'secretary of the residents group'. Having followed all community relations matters closely within the last number of years, i can state categorically that there is no Gerard Morgan who is secretary of the residents association. This is a minor point but I feel it should be pointed out nonetheless.
Considering as this is an issue which I have first hand experience off and have had a keen interest in over the last few years, I don't feel I can just pass a couple of comments on it but rather I must consider this article fully and respond to what has been said here that I take issue with.
Quotethere'd be occasional student noise but you'd say 'lads keep the music down' and they'd oblige. Now, you get a brick through the window.
Implies it is the done and regular practice for every student to brick anyones window who has the tenacity to politely ask them to be quiet. Any journalist to take a comment like that seriously should be ashamed of themselves.
Quote"My garden furniture has been smashed and my plants destroyed. Beer bottles are hurled at my house. Two years ago, I was beaten up. My (then) neighbours were partying at 3am and I went to their door to ask them to stop. A female student came out. She pushed me to the ground and kicked me.
"I was knocked unconscious and taken to hospital. My nerves have never recovered. I'm on medication. My son has moved back home because I'm too frightened to live on my own.
Again, an anecdote that cannot be taken seriously to accurately illustrate the reality of the situation.
QuoteNow, 5,000 students are packed into a dozen streets; only around 100 residents remain. Had the paramilitaries driven so many out, there'd be outrage.
Implying that every resident has been "driven out" by students. Simply not true. More likely to be the simple result of home-owners freely and eagerly taking advantage of the booming housing market. Owners in the area selling for a great price and enabling themselves to move out of a condensed inner-city area and into something more comfortable.
QuoteOn Wednesday at 6pm, students have dragged sofas and stereos into their front gardens or the pavement. The music and noise is at night-club levels; hundreds of people are drunk on the streets.
Blatent lies and exagerations. I would like to see these stereos that manage to get noise at night-club levels.
QuoteTwo passers-by witness the attack and are willing to make statements. I telephone police but, after an hour waiting for them to arrive, give up.
She has been extremely unlucky here ::) as anyone living in the area will tell you there is a regular police presence around the streets.
As for the chronology of events that seem to have unfolded as the article says:
QuoteThis isn't extraordinary -- it's a typical night.
This would indeed be a very extraordinary night! It gets better, students are then implicated in the very serious offence of drink-driving:
QuoteA red car with five drunken students nearly collides into it.
QuotePlaying football or hurling on the street at 3am is the norm.
...its not.
QuoteOnce, students threw a bucket of excrement over the front of the house
... I simply don't believe this.
Quote"Expelling students is the only threat they'd take seriously and the universities won't do that. The sons and daughters of the rural rich can attack residents' homes, beat them up, and continue with their degree. If the vicechancellor was beaten up or his house covered in excrement, those responsible wouldn't be let into a lecture theatre again."
I take particular offence to this part. Many people from the country are not rich and it is a great struggle for them and their parents to ensure that they get a good education, especially in this day and age when it is even more expensive.
Throwing expulsions around like a student throwing bricks (they would have you believe) is not the answer! They are ascerting that an organisation should expel paying members for minor behavioural matters which in no way relate to the organisation. If you are giving a warning on a saturday night by the police for excessive noise, would you expect your job to be at risk on Monday morning? This would be unenforcable and the universiies disciplinary structures could not be trusted, resulting in many injunctions issued for their decisions to be overturned or resulting in some young peoples lives ruined over a minor mistake.
...Unfortunately, I can't defend the republican dimension to the article because I have witnessed this before and I do believe this culture to exist but it is not limited to students but is a wider disappointing post-war attitude that has developed among many young nationalists across Ulster.
Any implications, by posters (tram), that paramilitary style policing is sorely missed is reckless and dangerous.
This is a policing matter and arrests are made when needed. In speaking to a solicitor he told me that, whereas such minor offences would usually be thrown out of court for 'normal' residents of Belfast, anything coming from the Holylands is 'rubber-stamped' and there is no room to budge on it. So in fact it is students who are being treated more harshly than 'spides', contrary to what has been suggested.
However, the biggest point being overlooked here is the overpopulation of the area. This is the root of all the problems. It was never built to hold that many people and there are not only effects with regard to excess noise but also waste and other infrastructure. The universities have left it to the paresitic landlords to provide much-needed accomodation at extortionate prices. They have done this but at a huge cost to the area.
Apologises for the dissertation and I am aware it rambles from point to point but its late!
Resnshaws is closing in case anyone is interested, they are tossing it and rebuilding a proper hotel, not a hole full of students wearing GAA jerseys and stinking of BO. I also spent 4 years down the road, jasus it was some value for money, and yes i was on of those with GAA jersey and stinking of BO and chicken and Mushroom Pot noodles
Doire
Good points, all well made. Obviously its something that really grinds your gears.
Green Man
Agree totally, manners is easily carried, and I think thats what it boils down to. A titter of wit, and a bit of common sense. Clearly the lads who aimed the water balloon at a lady pushing her pram had none of these qualities.
have lived 2 years in the holylands and 2 years just off botanic
Doire has pretty much hit it spot on. The article is complete sensationalist bullshit at best and a pack of lies at worst.
The first year i lived on the corner of college park avenue and carmel street. Those who know the holylands will know this is right at the heart of the area for hallions returning from nights out. My room faced out on the street. Many times I was woken up by noise and i have witnessed a handful of fights in the street but the police presence was quite high to deal with anything particularly unruly.
Quote from: doire na raithe on June 03, 2008, 01:53:12 AM
QuoteOn Wednesday at 6pm, students have dragged sofas and stereos into their front gardens or the pavement. The music and noise is at night-club levels; hundreds of people are drunk on the streets
That is one ridiculous wednesday 6pm scenario. Utter shite.
As a user of this site, I fell a strong empathy with the residents of The Holylands.
Quote from: Hardy on June 03, 2008, 10:06:05 AM
As a user of this site, I fell a strong empathy with the residents of The Holylands.
Definitely feel very sorry for the residents, especially some of the more elderly ones. There are some buck eejit students about. They come and go. By the time they have wised up to see how much of an effect their combined behaviour has they are moving out and a new crowd moves in.
Policing should a fluid population is very hard.
I feel the landlords should be getting more of a bashing in all of this. Its as much a disgrace that they simultaneously get rich and wash their hands of the sitution
In what way is it a landlord's responsibility that a gang of unsocialised animals who happen to live in his property can't behave themselves? Is it his job to teach them manners, respect and even proper toilet habits? You might as well blame the hosts of this website for the juvenile donkey braying that some posters here indulge in.
Quote from: Hardy on June 03, 2008, 10:34:44 AM
In what way is it a landlord's responsibility that a gang of unsocialised animals who happen to live in his property can't behave themselves? Is it his job to teach them manners, respect and even proper toilet habits? You might as well blame the hosts of this website for the juvenile donkey braying that some posters here indulge in.
Behaviour no. Introducing high levels of overcrowding yes. You would be amazed at how many rooms a landlord can fit in a house
In my second year two old style houses were being "done-up" beside us. I'd say they would have been 5 bedroom houses at most. The landlord turned them into 6 separate apartments housing 5 tenents in each apartment! Got friendly with the girls the next year and they told us they were paying £220 each, so this landlord was taking in £6,600 a month for two houses! No doubt this was ample amount to cover his mortgages.
As whiskeysteve says they must take responsibilty for the overpopulation of the area, which is at the root of all the problems and has made these men their fortunes and allowed them to build their empires.
Landlord trying to make money shocker.........If there were not enough people in the houses people would be whining about lack of student housing
Quote from: doire na raithe on June 03, 2008, 11:00:04 AM
In my second year two old style houses were being "done-up" beside us. I'd say they would have been 5 bedroom houses at most. The landlord turned them into 6 separate apartments housing 5 tenents in each apartment! Got friendly with the girls the next year and they told us they were paying £220 each, so this landlord was taking in £6,600 a month for two houses! No doubt this was ample amount to cover his mortgages.
As whiskeysteve says they must take responsibilty for the overpopulation of the area, which is at the root of all the problems and his made these men their fortunes and allowed them to build their empires.
and empires is right. ive heard a couple of these boys own near 30 properties around the area. Thats about 180 or so students under their tenancy (if you average 6 to a house). These are the real figures of influence in the holylands.
As far as I can see they are held completely unaccountable and are there to stay
So it is the landlords wrecking and smashing at all hours????
Quote from: Minder on June 03, 2008, 11:06:30 AM
Landlord trying to make money shocker.........If there were not enough people in the houses people would be whining about lack of student housing
You are missing the point here completely. We are saying that these men should not have been allowed to make a clean fortune out of the area without taking responsibilty for the consequences of overpopulation. They bung in as many students as possible into a house without regard for the problems that such overcrowded houses in a tight space cause.
Quote from: Minder on June 03, 2008, 11:06:30 AM
Landlord trying to make money shocker.........If there were not enough people in the houses people would be whining about lack of student housing
have never found accomodation hard to find around uni. Its just so concentrated and cheap in the holylands its the first port of call for young country bucks who dont know their lisburn road from their stranmillis or botanic
I've never heard such shite. "Overcrowding" causes supposedly educated youngsters to behave like animals. That theory applies to colonies of rats. Third level students should have slightly higher levels of self control.
On second thoughts, rats don't foul their own living quarters.
No the responsibility rests with the Department of Social Development who have allowed the unrestricted redevelopment of housing in the area and permitted the conversions to flats and HMOs. It is well within the gift of the Minister (Margret Ritchie) to solve this problem by restricting the number of HMOs permitted in any given residential street, thereby dispersing the student population throughout the city.
Quote from: Minder on June 03, 2008, 11:06:30 AM
Landlord trying to make money shocker.........If there were not enough people in the houses people would be whining about lack of student housing
There's even county managers getting in on the act!! One charged me extortionate prices for a hit hole in my second year!! :D
So the landlords are responsible for the behaviour of grown men/women? It just seems to me that when it is some "of our own" that are out of order there are a multitude of reasons, extenuating circumstances.........
Quote from: Minder on June 03, 2008, 11:09:49 AM
So it is the landlords wrecking and smashing at all hours????
dont be silly.
you buy up a large area of terrace housing (80-90% say). you cram in as many rooms as possible into a house, damn the health and safety. you rent it out to thousands of 18/19 year olds who are living away from home for the first time and will probably only stay a couple of years before being replaced by similar boys and girls
What do you think will happen? they get drunk and make noise. wrong but equally inevitable
This argument could go on for pages upon pages....
Any of you wise souls have a solution then?
Quote from: Hardy on June 03, 2008, 11:12:50 AM
I've never heard such shite. "Overcrowding" causes supposedly educated youngsters to behave like animals. That theory applies to colonies of rats. Third level students should have slightly higher levels of self control.
On second thoughts, rats don't foul their own living quarters.
no hardy its not shite.
when an area is 90% students of course you will have a lot of young people together, a lot of parties and so on. If you are in a mixed area you will have less of this. it's fairly simple
do you really think a more intelligent young fella, drinks and shouts less than the young fella with the trade. A good set of a-levels does not necessarily mean common sense
also i never knew a student who fouled their own living quarters
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 03, 2008, 11:26:15 AM
This argument could go on for pages upon pages....
Any of you wise souls have a solution then?
the damage is done already with the landlords having been allowed to play monopoly with the area. Good luck to finding a solution now!
I gotta go work, my student days are on hold!!
Quotewhen an area is 90% students of course you will have a lot of young people together, a lot of parties and so on. If you are in a mixed area you will have less of this. it's fairly simple
That's the "why do you let me do it?" argument. Every mentally healthy adult on the planet is responsible for his/her own behaviour. Nodody else is. That's the starting point for civilisation. We're not talking about parties. We're talking about anti-social behaviour that ignores the rights of other people.
Quotealso i never knew a student who fouled their own living quarters
How would you describe behaving in such a manner as to make your environment impossible to live a civilised life in?
Quote from: Donagh on June 03, 2008, 11:13:26 AM
No the responsibility rests with the Department of Social Development who have allowed the unrestricted redevelopment of housing in the area and permitted the conversions to flats and HMOs. It is well within the gift of the Minister (Margret Ritchie) to solve this problem by restricting the number of HMOs permitted in any given residential street, thereby dispersing the student population throughout the city.
As whiskeysteve said, the damage has already been done, the permission was granted years ago and most of these developments are already complete or nearing completion.
Quote from: doire na raithe on June 03, 2008, 11:41:24 AM
Quote from: Donagh on June 03, 2008, 11:13:26 AM
No the responsibility rests with the Department of Social Development who have allowed the unrestricted redevelopment of housing in the area and permitted the conversions to flats and HMOs. It is well within the gift of the Minister (Margret Ritchie) to solve this problem by restricting the number of HMOs permitted in any given residential street, thereby dispersing the student population throughout the city.
As whiskeysteve said, the damage has already been done, the permission was granted years ago and most of these developments are already complete or nearing completion.
Not so. She could pass legislation to restrict the number of HMOs and force landlords to change back or sell up. However this might not go down well with some of the senior members of her party who rent houses in the area.
Fair play to Donagh for attempting to politicise the argument..........
Has he said anything wrong?
Quote from: Minder on June 03, 2008, 11:46:35 AM
Fair play to Donagh for attempting to politicise the argument..........
Erm I'm only pointing out the blindly obvious solution which you have so far managed to miss. Of course it's a political issue.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on June 02, 2008, 11:28:14 PM
As a student I'd have to say that I prefered my time in halls to living in the Holylands. More craic and a lot safer.
I'd have to say I agree with this, I was in Belfast for 3 years (01-03) and lived in the holylads for the last 2 years - towards the end it was definately going downhill
lads there def is a problem don't get me wrong
but it is over exaggerated in this article
i lived in the holy lands for 4 years and it was mad, but on our street the residents who showed us respect got respect back.
in final year when we weren't t going out as much we had 2 complaints of noise and both times we were not even in the house, this was very annoying indeed
i think the universities need to do more to involve the students in other activities
i believe queens and j-town are far behind other unis in terms of extra-curricular activates, if you don't play Gaelic things are limited(or badly promoted)
Lived in the holylands for just the one year before leaving the course i was doing and it is pretty mad. Always thought that the boys from the country like armagh an tyrone were buck eejits but never on the scale of the article. Some of the points in it are exagerated bollocks although the bit about the slingshot water balloon thing on carmel street is true because i know the lads who were at it!
Think that there is a lot of residential intimidation of the students and this seems to be mostly at the start of the year, e.g last year the acid and paint stripper poured over the cars and then this year 6 cars burnt out on jerusalem street by a sc**bag drug dealer who lived there.
There is always a heavy police patrol in the area and they are only interested in handing out fines to line their pockets.
Quote from: its me again on June 03, 2008, 12:29:37 PM
lads there def is a problem don't get me wrong
but it is over exaggerated in this article
i lived in the holy lands for 4 years and it was mad, but on our street the residents who showed us respect got respect back.
in final year when we weren't t going out as much we had 2 complaints of noise and both times we were not even in the house, this was very annoying indeed
i think the universities need to do more to involve the students in other activities
i believe queens and j-town are far behind other unis in terms of extra-curricular activates, if you don't play Gaelic things are limited(or badly promoted)
I have heard it all now......I thought that kind of talk only applied to "alienated" spides in West Belfast but now it seems there is nothing to do for wee Johnny in the Holylands either........Are you a "community worker" ?
I totally agree Minder. The idea that students have nothing to do is ridiculous! You're in the middle of a City! Botanic Gardens and Ormeau Park are on your doorstep, the PEC is 5 minutes away! There's also numerous clubs and societies in Queen's and UU, catering for all tastes, that any student can join!
Don't play the disadvantaged card - it won't be bought. Students are supposed to be adults - they shouldn't need someone to drop them off at afterschool activities to keep them out of trouble!
Was up in Queens from 2004-2007. Witnessed a hell of a lot of anti-social behaviour. Was no angel at times myself. However, the biggest problem I saw eminated from students who were born and reared in country areas. We termed them mucksavages. They showed no respect for property or people. They wrecked 4 nights a week and the vast majority of them would of been Jordanstown students.
A high percentage of these savages generally came from Tyrone. Awful people. Their women were as raw as ropes and even the half decent lookin ones turned you off after they opened their foul mouths. Their only form of clothing were GAA tops and orange fake tan. There seems to be a very high proportion of oompa loompa's up that part of the country.
The only way that the anti-social behaviour issue can be solved is to stop people from Tyrone going to University in Belfast. A great solution would be to establish educational centres for these people in principal towns like Omagh and Dungannon. Keeping them away from our capital is the only solution. :P
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 03, 2008, 01:27:44 PM
Was up in Queens from 2004-2007. Witnessed a hell of a lot of anti-social behaviour. Was no angel at times myself. However, the biggest problem I saw eminated from students who were born and reared in country areas. We termed them mucksavages. They showed no respect for property or people. They wrecked 4 nights a week and the vast majority of them would of been Jordanstown students.
A high percentage of these savages generally came from Tyrone. Awful people. Their women were as raw as ropes and even the half decent lookin ones turned you off after they opened their foul mouths. Their only form of clothing were GAA tops and orange fake tan. There seems to be a very high proportion of oompa loompa's up that part of the country.
The only way that the anti-social behaviour issue can be solved is to stop people from Tyrone going to University in Belfast. A great solution would be to establish educational centres for these people in principal towns like Omagh and Dungannon. Keeping them away from our capital is the only solution. :P
You have hit the nail on the head there DF!! Well said!
I live in the Holylands too at the moment, it aint too bad where I am, but I can see where things would kick off, as when Im coming home from work last month you would have seen fellas who were out drinking all day and having a bbq but there is nothing in that, their just having the craic..
To be honest its a minority that act the right edjits and its true something has to be done as it aint fair on the residents..
But looking back at other points, houses going up sale in the Holylands area go for big prices even in this market so permanant residents can move to a nicer area (although Im in no way saying they should be forced out)
Also to blame the landlords is unfair, are any of you telling me you wouldnt do your best to make a quick buck?!?!
Now apparently the HMO approval is not been given out so easily and their taken it street by street in the Holylands that most are up to spec.
Houses/Flats are and were getting alot of work done to them recently to bring them up to standard...
Also have to say Im 23 and when seeing my younger cousins that are 19, they go out on the rip but they keep the house immaculate and dont come down and wreck the place so it is a minority of dicks that just come down for a year to piss it up!!!
Quote from: Hardy on June 03, 2008, 11:41:05 AM
Quotewhen an area is 90% students of course you will have a lot of young people together, a lot of parties and so on. If you are in a mixed area you will have less of this. it's fairly simple
That's the "why do you let me do it?" argument. Every mentally healthy adult on the planet is responsible for his/her own behaviour. Nodody else is. That's the starting point for civilisation. We're not talking about parties. We're talking about anti-social behaviour that ignores the rights of other people.
Quotealso i never knew a student who fouled their own living quarters
How would you describe behaving in such a manner as to make your environment impossible to live a civilised life in?
We are talking to some degree about parties - there are a lot of them in the holylands and a few do generate anti-social behaviour (the result of people leaving them blind drunk, for example). Or nearly all them do if you class excessive noise as anti-social, which is fair enough. It depends were you draw the line - which is why it is so hard to police. And yes a lot of it does ignore the rights of other people i don't see us disagreeing on this point
We are all responsible as individuals and some of the deplorable behaviour, though heavily exagerated, must be condemned as such. But surely you are not so naive as to expect year long responsible behaviour from all of the large congregation of 18/19 year olds who are besieged with sources of alcohol. Newcomers to the Holylands are oblivious to its problems and don't comprehend the trouble they cause. If there weren't so many students crammed into one area there would be a hell of a lot less incidents, by law of averages. Vice versa, there are few residents to make their feelings known and they are so outnumbered by changing faces the source of the trouble is hard to pin down. For similar reasons the police/university authorities find it hard to follow up any incidents
So in my opinion overcrowding IS a contributing factor and not to be disregarded as 'shite'
Incidentally the starting point for civilisation is the rule of law, not self responsibility. Even rats are self-responsible ;)
look you are taking my point the wrong way
there are plenty of activites they just need promoted in a better way
i also believe that the universites should do more than they do in terms of controlling there student population
we also have a drink culture which is getting out of control
there are more students in the holylands than J-town halls, this behavior would not be tollerated in the halls anf therefore i believe it should not be tolerated in the HL, basically the uni's should be held more reponsible than there are at the minute.
i honestly believe the HL would alot more unsafe if the students move out, you only have to look at the state of some of the housing estates neighbouring the HL. students bring alot of money in the local economy around the HL and there voices should be listened to rather than being constantly lambasted for anti social behavior. not all students in the HL are like this and i feel they are being tarred with the same brush
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 03, 2008, 01:27:44 PM
Was up in Queens from 2004-2007. Witnessed a hell of a lot of anti-social behaviour. Was no angel at times myself. However, the biggest problem I saw eminated from students who were born and reared in country areas. We termed them mucksavages. They showed no respect for property or people. They wrecked 4 nights a week and the vast majority of them would of been Jordanstown students.
A high percentage of these savages generally came from Tyrone. Awful people. Their women were as raw as ropes and even the half decent lookin ones turned you off after they opened their foul mouths. Their only form of clothing were GAA tops and orange fake tan. There seems to be a very high proportion of oompa loompa's up that part of the country.
The only way that the anti-social behaviour issue can be solved is to stop people from Tyrone going to University in Belfast. A great solution would be to establish educational centres for these people in principal towns like Omagh and Dungannon. Keeping them away from our capital is the only solution. :P
:D
Quote from: Rav67 on June 03, 2008, 02:17:35 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 03, 2008, 01:27:44 PM
Was up in Queens from 2004-2007. Witnessed a hell of a lot of anti-social behaviour. Was no angel at times myself. However, the biggest problem I saw eminated from students who were born and reared in country areas. We termed them mucksavages. They showed no respect for property or people. They wrecked 4 nights a week and the vast majority of them would of been Jordanstown students.
A high percentage of these savages generally came from Tyrone. Awful people. Their women were as raw as ropes and even the half decent lookin ones turned you off after they opened their foul mouths. Their only form of clothing were GAA tops and orange fake tan. There seems to be a very high proportion of oompa loompa's up that part of the country.
The only way that the anti-social behaviour issue can be solved is to stop people from Tyrone going to University in Belfast. A great solution would be to establish educational centres for these people in principal towns like Omagh and Dungannon. Keeping them away from our capital is the only solution. :P
:D
post of the year there from down fanatic
Down Fanatic, id say there will be a good few people that will try to slate what you say, but when all is taken into account id say you arent far wrong. every other person you meet in the holylands is from tyrone.
id say the whole problem really lies with the drink culture that exists in our society today. over the years students have always tended to have a reputation of being a bit wild but with the drink culture really coming to the fore in recent years the behaviour has just spiralled out of control.
its a sad reflection on society. if the truth be told most students now spend more time drinking than studying or doing things which students would traditionally have done ie clubs and societies etc.
problem lies with wider society as a whole. this would happen anywhere where there are large numbers of drunken young people, students get slated for it because more is expected of them - and rightly so in my opinion.
in my opinion it is a reflection on the way society is going - less and less respect shown towards others all the time.
In all seriousness but, some of the anti social behaviour, vandalism etc aroudn the holylands is a disgrace. once i seen the UUJ bus-stop destroyed by graffitti. it said:
QuoteDONT FORGET YOUR CRAYONS
imagine the holylands residents having their locality damaged by shite like that. bet you the perpetrator is one of these boys who thinks the students are blameless for the problem too ::)
Quote from: Surreal Steve on June 03, 2008, 03:01:34 PM
In all seriousness but, some of the anti social behaviour, vandalism etc aroudn the holylands is a disgrace. once i seen the UUJ bus-stop destroyed by graffitti. it said:
QuoteDONT FORGET YOUR CRAYONS
imagine the holylands residents having their locality damaged by shite like that. bet you the perpetrator is one of these boys who thinks the students are blameless for the problem too ::)
edit-and people pissing through ex-landlords letter boxes ::)
Quote from: Surreal Steve on June 03, 2008, 03:01:34 PM
In all seriousness but, some of the anti social behaviour, vandalism etc aroudn the holylands is a disgrace. once i seen the UUJ bus-stop destroyed by graffitti. it said:
QuoteDONT FORGET YOUR CRAYONS
imagine the holylands residents having their locality damaged by shite like that. bet you the perpetrator is one of these boys who thinks the students are blameless for the problem too ::)
Seen on the toilet roll holder in Queens Students Union: 'JORDANSTOWN DEGREES - PLEASE TAKE ONE'
Clearly the education shows :D
these Jordanstown / Queens jokes weren't funny the first time around
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on June 03, 2008, 04:51:25 PM
these Jordanstown / Queens jokes weren't funny the first time around
Queens jokes?? I haven't seen any QUB jokes! Plus the UUJ ones are class
do u go to queens nail?
Used to Charles, used to, a long long time ago...
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 03, 2008, 05:01:06 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on June 03, 2008, 04:51:25 PM
these Jordanstown / Queens jokes weren't funny the first time around
Queens jokes?? I haven't seen any QUB jokes! Plus the UUJ ones are class
of course they are ::)
lived in the holylands for 4 years and can agree with the residents that its a complete shit hole but jesus had some craic in those 4 years...the spotlight era showed up what happens most nights but after that programme it was never the same!
the residents can blame the students (quite rightly) for the wreckin etc but i have witnessed myself wee fcukin spides putting in student house windows, girls getting hit with knuckle dusters by grown local hard-men because they made a bit of noise late at night and a fella and his woman getting jumped and mugged by about 10 wee fuckin shiney c***ts and these are never mentioned!
also have witnessed students turning cars upside down, completely demolishing stairways and bannisters all after coming out of shaws clean sideways! end of the day a bit of craic is ok but when it goes too far it is a joke!
p.s the crew of helens bakery would knock 7 colours of shite out of any man!
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on June 03, 2008, 05:20:41 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 03, 2008, 05:01:06 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on June 03, 2008, 04:51:25 PM
these Jordanstown / Queens jokes weren't funny the first time around
Queens jokes?? I haven't seen any QUB jokes! Plus the UUJ ones are class
of course they are ::)
Ok gabriel we get the picture, youre all mature now, and above these poly jokes :-\
Anyone remember the fella jumping up in the air on the spotlight programme? The one they did the freeze frame on?
Quote from: Surreal Steve on June 03, 2008, 05:36:52 PMOk gabriel we get the picture, youre all mature now, and above these poly jokes :-\
:D :D :D - me? mature? you don't know me too well
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Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch on June 02, 2008, 08:39:18 PM
Ref Belfast Students... perhaps Blow-ins from the country?... the thing is that if you have six lads from the country and say three get into Queen's - well the other three will move up for the 'crack'.. get a shite job in a bar and party!!! .... Sad bestards!
Lived in belfast five years and have to say I have never seen this happen, have you any evidence to back this up hotb?
Yes Paddy Rice - DOB 16.02.72 - Enniskillen, Co Fermanagh, National Insurance NS 81 72 76 B .. FAILED HIS A LEVELS .. moved to Belfast and lived with mates in 16 Agincourt Avenue from September 16 1990 till 14the June 1993 - worked in various bar jobs an partied. What a stoopid fokin question to which I supply an equally ridiculous answer!!
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 03, 2008, 05:39:40 PM
Anyone remember the fella jumping up in the air on the spotlight programme? The one they did the freeze frame on?
Aye i do nail. Current county player i think!!
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 03, 2008, 05:14:43 PM
Used to Charles, used to, a long long time ago...
well how did you get on Nail? get anything you could wipe yer hole with? ;)
Quote from: lurganblue on June 03, 2008, 05:52:07 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 03, 2008, 05:14:43 PM
Used to Charles, used to, a long long time ago...
well how did you get on Nail? get anything you could wipe yer hole with? ;)
What do you think?? :-\
Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch on June 03, 2008, 05:46:10 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 02, 2008, 08:52:14 PM
Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch on June 02, 2008, 08:39:18 PM
Ref Belfast Students... perhaps Blow-ins from the country?... the thing is that if you have six lads from the country and say three get into Queen's - well the other three will move up for the 'crack'.. get a shite job in a bar and party!!! .... Sad bestards!
Lived in belfast five years and have to say I have never seen this happen, have you any evidence to back this up hotb?
Yes Paddy Rice - DOB 16.02.72 - Enniskillen, Co Fermanagh, National Insurance NS 81 72 76 B .. FAILED HIS A LEVELS .. moved to Belfast and lived with mates in 16 Agincourt Avenue from September 16 1990 till 14the June 1993 - worked in various bar jobs an partied. What a stoopid fokin question to which I supply an equally ridiculous answer!!
Good lad, I was just looking to know how where this was happening and how common it was, because in five years I never saw anyone just coming up to work in a bar anyway.
QuoteI've never heard such shite. "Overcrowding" causes supposedly educated youngsters to behave like animals. That theory applies to colonies of rats. Third level students should have slightly higher levels of self control.
Hardy, as a number of us have tried to explain, very very few are behaving like "animals" as you put it. Basically the behaviour round the Holylands is something similar to what you'd see in the streets surrounding any pub or disco from 12am to 2am any Saturday. Generally no better or no worse. Most people have a few drinks, enjoy themselves and head home, occasionally making a bit too much noise. Others use drink as an excuse to behave like an idiot but that's an issue throughout society and is no more or less common amongst those who go to University in Belfast.
Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch on June 03, 2008, 05:46:10 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 02, 2008, 08:52:14 PM
Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch on June 02, 2008, 08:39:18 PM
Ref Belfast Students... perhaps Blow-ins from the country?... the thing is that if you have six lads from the country and say three get into Queen's - well the other three will move up for the 'crack'.. get a shite job in a bar and party!!! .... Sad bestards!
Lived in belfast five years and have to say I have never seen this happen, have you any evidence to back this up hotb?
Yes Paddy Rice - DOB 16.02.72 - Enniskillen, Co Fermanagh, National Insurance NS 81 72 76 B .. FAILED HIS A LEVELS .. moved to Belfast and lived with mates in 16 Agincourt Avenue from September 16 1990 till 14the June 1993 - worked in various bar jobs an partied. What a stoopid fokin question to which I supply an equally ridiculous answer!!
jesus lad why r u puttin that stuff up here. catch a grip.
QuoteSounds like someone saw a good looking Tyrone girl in the Bot one night
i stopped reading after this
Why don't you all get the pitch forks out and go down and teach those pesky drunken students a lesson?
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Quote from: behind the wire on June 03, 2008, 02:57:13 PM
Down Fanatic, id say there will be a good few people that will try to slate what you say, but when all is taken into account id say you arent far wrong. every other person you meet in the holylands is from tyrone.
id say the whole problem really lies with the drink culture that exists in our society today. over the years students have always tended to have a reputation of being a bit wild but with the drink culture really coming to the fore in recent years the behaviour has just spiralled out of control.
its a sad reflection on society. if the truth be told most students now spend more time drinking than studying or doing things which students would traditionally have done ie clubs and societies etc.
problem lies with wider society as a whole. this would happen anywhere where there are large numbers of drunken young people, students get slated for it because more is expected of them - and rightly so in my opinion.
in my opinion it is a reflection on the way society is going - less and less respect shown towards others all the time.
So its now turned from people crying about all students living in the Holyland with the same brush with the same people now trying to tar all Tyrone students with the same brush ::)
There is quite a large Tyrone contingent in the Holyland area - just as there's a significant Armagh, Down, Derry & Fermanagh contingent. The term "mucksavage" could apply to anyone in the north living outside of Belfast or Derry city.
OTOH I agree with what's being said above. The third-level student culture that exists among the typical Holyland student ghetto is a lot different to that you will find elsewhere in Ireland and in Britain. There seems to be little inclination to meet new people other than fellow GAA jersey wearing lads and lassies, little inclination to experience new activities that are not available or readily accessible at home (both Queens & UU SU's offer quite a lot of activities) and since 95% of them go home every weekend, they are transient in nature and leave no time to explore new avenues - they are students that semi-commuter and they end up not giving a damn about where they live and feel no attachment to it whatsoever. Of course this doesn't cover every one of them but it would apply I feel to the majority.
In my time at Jordanstown I stayed away from renting in the Holyland area as even then it started having a bad reputation. I reckon it was a wise move in hindsight.
what does that mean??if you see someone wears a gaa top you sould not try and make friends with them??
id say u where good craic in belfast tram..
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Quote from: charlie stubbs on June 03, 2008, 06:27:24 PM
what does that mean??if you see someone wears a gaa top you sould not try and make friends with them??
id say u where good craic in belfast tram..
Nope, what I mean is that many of the students in question will not make friends with someone unless they're a GAA top wearing person themselves. Prefer to keep themselves in a narrow cultural mindset instead of finding out about different people, traditions, cultures, activities etc. which universities will encourage their students to do.
And if you define craic as being getting pissed off your head every Tuesday and Thursday night, kicking in front doors, jumping on car bonnets chanting "Up the 'ra!" etc. then no I probably wasn't good craic but I did and occasionally still do enjoy going to the likes of the the Bot, Renshaws, Dukes, Globe, Egg, Beach Club etc. without trying to wake up half of Agincourt Avenue at 3am on Wednesday morning.
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Tuesday and Thursday?? What about the bot on a wednesday? and you tried to call yoursellll a student
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 03, 2008, 05:55:15 PM
Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch on June 03, 2008, 05:46:10 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 02, 2008, 08:52:14 PM
Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch on June 02, 2008, 08:39:18 PM
Ref Belfast Students... perhaps Blow-ins from the country?... the thing is that if you have six lads from the country and say three get into Queen's - well the other three will move up for the 'crack'.. get a shite job in a bar and party!!! .... Sad bestards!
Lived in belfast five years and have to say I have never seen this happen, have you any evidence to back this up hotb?
Yes Paddy Rice - DOB 16.02.72 - Enniskillen, Co Fermanagh, National Insurance NS 81 72 76 B .. FAILED HIS A LEVELS .. moved to Belfast and lived with mates in 16 Agincourt Avenue from September 16 1990 till 14the June 1993 - worked in various bar jobs an partied. What a stoopid fokin question to which I supply an equally ridiculous answer!!
Good lad, I was just looking to know how where this was happening and how common it was, because in five years I never saw anyone just coming up to work in a bar anyway.
Unfortunately, that is the only one I can name PERSONALLY as he was ridin' my sister.. there are more ...
Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch on June 03, 2008, 07:26:15 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 03, 2008, 05:55:15 PM
Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch on June 03, 2008, 05:46:10 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 02, 2008, 08:52:14 PM
Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch on June 02, 2008, 08:39:18 PM
Ref Belfast Students... perhaps Blow-ins from the country?... the thing is that if you have six lads from the country and say three get into Queen's - well the other three will move up for the 'crack'.. get a shite job in a bar and party!!! .... Sad bestards!
Lived in belfast five years and have to say I have never seen this happen, have you any evidence to back this up hotb?
Yes Paddy Rice - DOB 16.02.72 - Enniskillen, Co Fermanagh, National Insurance NS 81 72 76 B .. FAILED HIS A LEVELS .. moved to Belfast and lived with mates in 16 Agincourt Avenue from September 16 1990 till 14the June 1993 - worked in various bar jobs an partied. What a stoopid fokin question to which I supply an equally ridiculous answer!!
Good lad, I was just looking to know how where this was happening and how common it was, because in five years I never saw anyone just coming up to work in a bar anyway.
Unfortunately, that is the only one I can name PERSONALLY as he was ridin' my sister.. there are more ...
Ridin your sister? Yeah I heard!! ;D
"And if you define craic as being getting pissed off your head every Tuesday and Thursday night, kicking in front doors, jumping on car bonnets chanting "Up the 'ra!" etc. then no I probably wasn't good craic"
as someone who had a car in the holylands 4 3 years no i wouldnt particularly say that is good craic and wouldnt have dreamt of doing anything like that.
good student alright nail!!
i would say alot of the posters here are just jealous because either they werent at uni or has been better craic with more students in the area and the chance to make more friends ( only if they had a gaa top though eh tram)
Quote from: Hardy on June 03, 2008, 10:06:05 AM
As a user of this site, I fell a strong empathy with the residents of The Holylands.
:D
So we're blaming the residents, the spides, the landlords and the fact there's nothing to do.
Is there anything or anyone else?
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 03, 2008, 08:03:18 PM
Quote from: Hardy on June 03, 2008, 10:06:05 AM
As a user of this site, I fell a strong empathy with the residents of The Holylands.
:D
So we're blaming the residents, the spides, the landlords and the fact there's nothing to do.
Is there anything or anyone else?
The pressure our parents put on us when we go to uni drives us to drink, the weight of expectation from a whole family...
or in some cases nail the pressure of a whole area e.g. craigavon :D
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 03, 2008, 08:15:11 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 03, 2008, 08:03:18 PM
Quote from: Hardy on June 03, 2008, 10:06:05 AM
As a user of this site, I fell a strong empathy with the residents of The Holylands.
:D
So we're blaming the residents, the spides, the landlords and the fact there's nothing to do.
Is there anything or anyone else?
The pressure our parents put on us when we go to uni drives us to drink, the weight of expectation from a whole family...
They'd hardly expect much from some of you.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 03, 2008, 08:45:00 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 03, 2008, 08:15:11 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 03, 2008, 08:03:18 PM
Quote from: Hardy on June 03, 2008, 10:06:05 AM
As a user of this site, I fell a strong empathy with the residents of The Holylands.
:D
So we're blaming the residents, the spides, the landlords and the fact there's nothing to do.
Is there anything or anyone else?
You're right there pints mucker
The pressure our parents put on us when we go to uni drives us to drink, the weight of expectation from a whole family...
They'd hardly expect much from some of you.
You're right there pints me old mucker
Quote from: tram on June 03, 2008, 09:01:21 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 03, 2008, 06:58:26 PM
Quote from: tram on June 03, 2008, 06:49:07 PM
Quote from: charlie stubbs on June 03, 2008, 06:27:24 PM
what does that mean??if you see someone wears a gaa top you sould not try and make friends with them??
id say u where good craic in belfast tram..
Nope, what I mean is that many of the students in question will not make friends with someone unless they're a GAA top wearing person themselves. Prefer to keep themselves in a narrow cultural mindset instead of finding out about different people, traditions, cultures, activities etc. which universities will encourage their students to do.
And if you define craic as being getting pissed off your head every Tuesday and Thursday night, kicking in front doors, jumping on car bonnets chanting "Up the 'ra!" etc. then no I probably wasn't good craic but I did and occasionally still do enjoy going to the likes of the the Bot, Renshaws, Dukes, Globe, Egg, Beach Club etc. without trying to wake up half of Agincourt Avenue at 3am on Wednesday morning.
Tuesday and Thursday?? What about the bot on a wednesday? and you tried to call yoursellll a student
Yep, a student. Not an alcoholic.
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That makes no sense, so everyone in the bot on a wednesday night is an alcoholic? :-[ :-\
wednesday night in the bot norm biggest might of week tram. u would probably have been engaged in a good novel or a game of tiddlewinks in your penthouse appartment up the malone road while the alcoholics were in the bot ::)
my mate from portadown owns near 30 houses there he says the same about the extra cirricular activities
Tram please continue with your rants, I am really enoying them
Quote from: tram on June 03, 2008, 09:28:01 PM
Quote from: charlie stubbs on June 03, 2008, 09:19:10 PM
wednesday night in the bot norm biggest might of week tram. u would probably have been engaged in a good novel or a game of tiddlewinks in your penthouse appartment up the malone road while the alcoholics were in the bot ::)
Never stayed on the Malone Road...
Bot on Wednesday might now be the big one but my time at the start of the decade saw Tuesday and Thursday nights be the busiest. The bus to Kellys of Portrush on Wednesday night was popular though, especially after exams were finished.
I know a lad who went up to that kellys spot on a wednesday nite and spent the whole nite in the carpark!
i know a few boys who went on st marys mystery tours all over the province and still dont know where they ended up :D
Quote from: hitzelsperger on June 03, 2008, 10:39:38 PM
i know a few boys who went on st marys mystery tours all over the province and still dont know where they ended up :D
some got lost in a woman from bangor's garden. the lad went in for a piss, couldnt find the way out.
Quote from: tram on June 03, 2008, 09:28:01 PM
Quote from: charlie stubbs on June 03, 2008, 09:19:10 PM
wednesday night in the bot norm biggest might of week tram. u would probably have been engaged in a good novel or a game of tiddlewinks in your penthouse appartment up the malone road while the alcoholics were in the bot ::)
Never stayed on the Malone Road...
Bot on Wednesday might now be the big one but my time at the start of the decade saw Tuesday and Thursday nights be the busiest. The bus to Kellys of Portrush on Wednesday night was popular though, especially after exams were finished.
now you've got karma on a monday, and also if your too much of a mess to get into the bot on a wed. its a pity the shaws got rid of fat jim on a tuesday, it all went down from there.
On a similar note... about the barman that was mentioned earlier (on another thread i think) that gave free drink away after a dubious referring decision against Dromintee a few years ago. A well know harpsman who went to st marys was walkin home one nite through the holylands..... heard noises coming from a big pile of rubbish bags so went over to look!!
He kept hearing these mumbles and groans from beneath the rubbish so he moved them outta the way to investigate!! Low and behold there was the said barman in a complete state causeing all sorts of scenes and didnt know who he was never mind anything else!!!!
But he's a quiet lad and its a quiet area....... ;)
Quote from: Candyman on June 03, 2008, 11:09:11 PM
On a similar note... about the barman that was mentioned earlier (on another thread i think) that gave free drink away after a dubious referring decision against Dromintee a few years ago. A well know harpsman who went to st marys was walkin home one nite through the holylands..... heard noises coming from a big pile of rubbish bags so went over to look!!
He kept hearing these mumbles and groans from beneath the rubbish so he moved them outta the way to investigate!! Low and behold there was the said barman in a complete state causeing all sorts of scenes and didnt know who he was never mind anything else!!!!
But he's a quiet lad and its a quiet area....... ;)
the bear must have been feeling hungry.
how anyone allowed the said former ranch man to teach children i do not know.
Quote from: qub la la la on June 03, 2008, 11:12:03 PM
Quote from: Candyman on June 03, 2008, 11:09:11 PM
On a similar note... about the barman that was mentioned earlier (on another thread i think) that gave free drink away after a dubious referring decision against Dromintee a few years ago. A well know harpsman who went to st marys was walkin home one nite through the holylands..... heard noises coming from a big pile of rubbish bags so went over to look!!
He kept hearing these mumbles and groans from beneath the rubbish so he moved them outta the way to investigate!! Low and behold there was the said barman in a complete state causeing all sorts of scenes and didnt know who he was never mind anything else!!!!
But he's a quiet lad and its a quiet area....... ;)
the bear must have been feeling hungry.
how anyone allowed the said former ranch man to teach children i do not know.
Or his cousin for that matter... ;)
i have to agree with tram on this issue, these louts from lurgan, antrim and tyrone drink and cause countless scenes in this area, they also take thier antics to other places of interest such as sigerson games, they are a disgrace!!!!
ps helens is a great spot!! leave them out of it!!!
After reading all the comments about students in Belfast this last few years im just glad in my day there wasnt any of this madness at all
In my day it was get the head down, no drinking at all and finished the degree and head of into the big world
Cant believe the stories about the wrecking that went on, them tyrone ones are mad!!!!!
;D
You are so full of shite umgola! You had many messy nights,
Quote from: umgolaarmagh on June 04, 2008, 12:17:56 AM
After reading all the comments about students in Belfast this last few years im just glad in my day there wasnt any of this madness at all
In my day it was get the head down, no drinking at all and finished the degree and head of into the big world
Cant believe the stories about the wrecking that went on, them tyrone ones are mad!!!!!
;D
Wellesley avanue has no memories for u then Umgola? you were the biggest mess about the place.
you've also been known to run through the odd door from what i recall
Quote from: umgolaarmagh on June 04, 2008, 12:17:56 AM
After reading all the comments about students in Belfast this last few years im just glad in my day there wasnt any of this madness at all
In my day it was get the head down, no drinking at all and finished the degree and head of into the big world
Cant believe the stories about the wrecking that went on, them tyrone ones are mad!!!!!
;D
I recall Laverys having an offer on where you pay £10 at the door and drink as much as you want fro free, and Umgola went and got a big f**k off carry out to get blocked before he went down, think he lasted 1/2 hour in the place, until the bouncers kindly escorted him from the premises ;)
Quote from: Onion Bag on June 04, 2008, 09:09:11 AM
Quote from: umgolaarmagh on June 04, 2008, 12:17:56 AM
After reading all the comments about students in Belfast this last few years im just glad in my day there wasnt any of this madness at all
In my day it was get the head down, no drinking at all and finished the degree and head of into the big world
Cant believe the stories about the wrecking that went on, them tyrone ones are mad!!!!!
;D
I recall Laverys having an offer on where you pay £10 at the door and drink as much as you want fro free, and Umgola went and got a big f**k off carry out to get blocked before he went down, think he lasted 1/2 hour in the place, until the bouncers kindly escorted him from the premises ;)
That's correct. I remember the statement was "It must be a fix, we'll need a carryout first".
I wouldn't have been the first time Umgola was thrown out of laverys either. Frank the bouncer just used to shake his head when he seen him walk in through the doors, with someone in a head lock. :D
This thread started of with a very serious issue but has been hijacked with posters posting comments which just confirm how bad the holylands and students general disrespect for the area has got.
It saddens me to see that Belfast has descended into such a state over recent times. In my day we still enjoyed ourselves but were able to show residents the respect they deserved.
In second year I moved up to Stranmillis which I found to be far more enjoyable and relaxing and enabled me to get the required work done to complete my degree!
Quote from: Mickey Linden on June 04, 2008, 09:25:54 AM
This thread started of with a very serious issue but has been hijacked with posters posting comments which just confirm how bad the holylands and students general disrespect for the area has got.
It saddens me to see that Belfast has descended into such a state over recent times. In my day we still enjoyed ourselves but were able to show residents the respect they deserved.
In second year I moved up to Stranmillis which I found to be far more enjoyable and relaxing and enabled me to get the required work done to complete my degree!
We are only remebering the good old days, so dont be knocking us for it,
A wee bit of nostalgia can help lighten up the day
f**k being a student is some craic!! All the rest of use are just f**king ripping, I lived in stranmillis in my fourth year, was shite. Always having to go to arry outs down in holylands then going back up to get changed an all was the worst.
Quote from: Mickey Linden on June 04, 2008, 09:25:54 AM
This thread started of with a very serious issue but has been hijacked with posters posting comments which just confirm how bad the holylands and students general disrespect for the area has got.
It saddens me to see that Belfast has descended into such a state over recent times. In my day we still enjoyed ourselves but were able to show residents the respect they deserved.
In second year I moved up to Stranmillis which I found to be far more enjoyable and relaxing and enabled me to get the required work done to complete my degree!
Spot on.
I did halls in first year, then stayed up the Lisburn Road end. Much more civilised. And clean.
I think one of the wost things about the antics in the Holylands is that it has given the 'GAA crowd' a terrible reputation (and by association, the GAA). I know it's a generalisation, but the actions of a few have left everyone tarred with the same brush - to non-GAA people i must add (i obviously know enough to recognise where there's a small minority to blame).
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 04, 2008, 01:50:26 PM
f**k being a student is some craic!! All the rest of use are just f**king ripping, I lived in stranmillis in my fourth year, was shite. Always having to go to arry outs down in holylands then going back up to get changed an all was the worst.
There's no way you went to university with spelling and grammar like that! :P
But seriously, i think most people who have commented either way are likely to have been students in the past, if not now - making all comment equally relevant.
Quote from: Mickey Linden on June 04, 2008, 09:25:54 AM
This thread started of with a very serious issue but has been hijacked with posters posting comments which just confirm how bad the holylands and students general disrespect for the area has got.
It saddens me to see that Belfast has descended into such a state over recent times. In my day we still enjoyed ourselves but were able to show residents the respect they deserved.
In second year I moved up to Stranmillis which I found to be far more enjoyable and relaxing and enabled me to get the required work done to complete my degree!
::) ;D
I lived in Belfast for 4 years and was in the Holylands for 3 and lived beside Queen's for a year. I also did a year as a PGCE student in Manchester so I think I'm pretty well qualified to comment on this.
The Holylands is a dump inhabited by quite a large amout of hallions (and Tyrone and Armagh birds wearing obscure gaelic jerseys... they don't do you any favours!) which does absolutely nothing to assist a student with what they are supposed to do... LEARN!
Also I think the Holylands ruins the student experience. Lads who are best friends from home come up and live with eachother and go out with eachother and have very little interaction with the vast array of people and cultures that actually inhabit a University. I would also imagine that Queen's and Jordanstown have the highest instances of failure and dropouts than most Uni's as well.
As for the antics on the street well the majority of it is caused by dickheads and in most places the dickheads are spread out so incidents are much less common but when you put a load of dickheads on a collection of a few streets it's just a recipe for trouble.
The sooner Belfast becomes like any other city and has it's student population spread out over the length of the city the better but unfortunately there is no mechanism or will for this to happen and as a result behaviour in the Holylands will only further deteriorate!
Quote from: screenexile on June 04, 2008, 02:53:07 PM
I lived in Belfast for 4 years and was in the Holylands for 3 and lived beside Queen's for a year. I also did a year as a PGCE student in Manchester so I think I'm pretty well qualified to comment on this.
The Holylands is a dump inhabited by quite a large amout of hallions (and Tyrone and Armagh birds wearing obscure gaelic jerseys... they don't do you any favours!) which does absolutely nothing to assist a student with what they are supposed to do... LEARN!
Also I think the Holylands ruins the student experience. Lads who are best friends from home come up and live with eachother and go out with eachother and have very little interaction with the vast array of people and cultures that actually inhabit a University. I would also imagine that Queen's and Jordanstown have the highest instances of failure and dropouts than most Uni's as well.
As for the antics on the street well the majority of it is caused by dickheads and in most places the dickheads are spread out so incidents are much less common but when you put a load of dickheads on a collection of a few streets it's just a recipe for trouble.
The sooner Belfast becomes like any other city and has it's student population spread out over the length of the city the better but unfortunately there is no mechanism or will for this to happen and as a result behaviour in the Holylands will only further deteriorate!
be careful - you'll be called a sad ba$tard
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on June 04, 2008, 02:57:16 PM
Quote from: screenexile on June 04, 2008, 02:53:07 PM
I lived in Belfast for 4 years and was in the Holylands for 3 and lived beside Queen's for a year. I also did a year as a PGCE student in Manchester so I think I'm pretty well qualified to comment on this.
The Holylands is a dump inhabited by quite a large amout of hallions (and Tyrone and Armagh birds wearing obscure gaelic jerseys... they don't do you any favours!) which does absolutely nothing to assist a student with what they are supposed to do... LEARN!
Also I think the Holylands ruins the student experience. Lads who are best friends from home come up and live with eachother and go out with eachother and have very little interaction with the vast array of people and cultures that actually inhabit a University. I would also imagine that Queen's and Jordanstown have the highest instances of failure and dropouts than most Uni's as well.
As for the antics on the street well the majority of it is caused by dickheads and in most places the dickheads are spread out so incidents are much less common but when you put a load of dickheads on a collection of a few streets it's just a recipe for trouble.
The sooner Belfast becomes like any other city and has it's student population spread out over the length of the city the better but unfortunately there is no mechanism or will for this to happen and as a result behaviour in the Holylands will only further deteriorate!
be careful - you'll be called a sad ba$tard
He already is Gabriel!
But in fairness I think he has a point about the Holylands - the students would disagree though
Quote from: screenexile on June 04, 2008, 02:53:07 PM
Also I think the Holylands ruins the student experience. Lads who are best friends from home come up and live with eachother and go out with eachother and have very little interaction with the vast array of people and cultures that actually inhabit a University.
i lived with lads i went to school with the whole time i was in uni and thats just balls. you meet loads of other people no matter who you live with or go out with.
check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgEfc0mE3fE thats the type of antics that has went on outside the bot.
Quote from: qub la la la on June 04, 2008, 04:42:09 PM
Quote from: screenexile on June 04, 2008, 02:53:07 PM
Also I think the Holylands ruins the student experience. Lads who are best friends from home come up and live with eachother and go out with eachother and have very little interaction with the vast array of people and cultures that actually inhabit a University.
i lived with lads i went to school with the whole time i was in uni and thats just balls. you meet loads of other people no matter who you live with or go out with.
check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgEfc0mE3fE thats the type of antics that has went on outside the bot.
I'm not saying you don't meet new people because of course you do, in your class or people you would have played football against and decide to chat to when you're out on the rip. My point is that having gone away for University I have met such a varying cross section of people that I would have had no chance of meeting when I lived in Belfast with my mates. Having lived in the Holylands I could safely say that anyone I met at Uni who I would have made friends with was someone who lived in the Holylands also and who I happened to meet out in the Bot/Renshaws... there's a lot more to heading away somewhere than living in the Holylands!
Quote from: qub la la la on June 04, 2008, 04:42:09 PMcheck out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgEfc0mE3fE thats the type of antics that has went on outside the bot.
looks like might craic
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on June 04, 2008, 04:50:22 PM
Quote from: qub la la la on June 04, 2008, 04:42:09 PMcheck out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgEfc0mE3fE thats the type of antics that has went on outside the bot.
looks like might craic
looks a bit gay
I had thought about goin away somewhere for university but in end to be honest i didnt have the guts at the time. Its true belfast is like no other city for university life in britain or ireland. The drinkin culture is alot more extreme, clearly healthwise it is worrying but i couldnt bring myself to condemn the whole experience. I met loads of new friends and really enjoyed every moment of university life in belfast. It might not have been as diverse as other cities but there is alot to be said for the student community spirit which exists in the holylands.
QuoteThis thread started of with a very serious issue but has been hijacked with posters posting comments which just confirm how bad the holylands and students general disrespect for the area has got.
Well said.
Idiots thinking they're big men. Ha!
I've grown tired of being rational.
Pints, would you ever go and f**k off!
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 04, 2008, 07:17:38 PM
QuoteThis thread started of with a very serious issue but has been hijacked with posters posting comments which just confirm how bad the holylands and students general disrespect for the area has got.
Well said.
Idiots thinking they're big men. Ha!
Well said Pints, doire would you ever grow up, maybe you should use pints as a role model, thats what im doing now.
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 04, 2008, 07:57:15 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 04, 2008, 07:17:38 PM
QuoteThis thread started of with a very serious issue but has been hijacked with posters posting comments which just confirm how bad the holylands and students general disrespect for the area has got.
Well said.
Idiots thinking they're big men. Ha!
Well said Pints, doire would you ever grow up, maybe you should use pints as a role model, thats what im doing now.
What do you mean by that ONL, are you going to have a 'post-off' with POG, Ziggy et al?
Quote from: Surreal Steve on June 04, 2008, 08:15:48 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 04, 2008, 07:57:15 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 04, 2008, 07:17:38 PM
QuoteThis thread started of with a very serious issue but has been hijacked with posters posting comments which just confirm how bad the holylands and students general disrespect for the area has got.
Well said.
Idiots thinking they're big men. Ha!
Well said Pints, doire would you ever grow up, maybe you should use pints as a role model, thats what im doing now.
What do you mean by that ONL, are you going to have a 'post-off' with POG, Ziggy et al?
Well I have been told off by the bigger boys for slagging pints so now im gonna be BFF with him. Sorry lads but I am going to the dark side.
Im sitting on the fence on this one...while i had 4 years great craic, with the odd wreckin session included, i can also see why people look in from the outside and see that students are a share of tramps!
Quote from: hitzelsperger on June 04, 2008, 09:09:57 PM
Im sitting on the fence on this one...while i had 4 years great craic, with the odd wreckin session included, i can also see why people look in from the outside and see that students are a share of tr**ps!
Spot on.
It's a few years now but I lived in most of the usual haunts around the student area, Wellsley Ave, Wolsely Street, Palestine, Jerusalem, then up around Stranmillis when I grew up :P We went out and got drunk, ran around like eejits, Tyrone lads set their house on fire beside Goldenyears house, we chased hoods with brush handles(or rather the Horse McNally did) we rowed with the peelers. We didn't annoy locals though and didn't do any damage willfully or unintentionally. The only time there was any hassle was when I had my car broken into by local hoods and the cops did nothing and the neighbours(locals) kept having their drug dealing friends landing at our house by mistake at all hours. It is shit what is going on now and now what I would see as "great craic". We got drunk in Renshaws like everyone else and bought dodgy out of date beer from the Hatfield like everyone else but we knew where the line was and didn't cross it.
But shure we were great weren't we ;)
Would those posters of Pearse Ogs orientation speaking of Wellesley Avenue be referring to the so called legendary number 6 across from the Samaritians. If so then from what I have heard, that place was the centre of lunacy. Throwing dishes through the window...tut tut.
I am a student at the minute I do all the things that most students do. Get drunk, shout, get put off of clubs for lying on the floor, party for 3 days straight, do a bit of wrecking, play music deafeningly loud, even the odd spot of nakedness on the street occurs.
However unlike most 'GAA students', I live on the Lisburn Road and I can tell you that this year it was the same as the Holy Lands. Yes we has noise pollution calling at our door for making too much noise, the police for fighting and last month there was a car set on fire on a Friday Night, 50 yards away from our front door.
It must be noted that I live a stones throw away from Windsor Park and 95% of my neighbours are Protestant and they are just as wild as the 'Catholic Country Lads'.
So to tar all Nationalist Students with the same brush is wrong. In a lot of cases the residents bring it on themselves, such as the resident who went along a street last year and filled all off the keyholes with glue so that the students couldn't open their front doors with their keys.
Fair lads keep her lit, ye are making a great case for yourselves
Rolloutking
I can definitely state that there were no dishes threw out the window of no 6
El Cuevo and Onion Bag theres a few embellished stories a few pages back and a few cases of mistaken identity
Sure it's only a bit of craic... ::)
You're only a student so long and then it's into the depressing day job and clearing the debt. You have to make the most of it while your there and spread a few seeds in the girls from tyrone with the
QuoteGAA tops and orange fake tan
cos by god they like a good hard one on a wednesday after the bot
cos by god they like a good hard one on a wednesday after the bot
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I'd say they give you a miss then...
Quote from: rolloutking on June 05, 2008, 03:10:36 AM
Would those posters of Pearse Ogs orientation speaking of Wellesley Avenue be referring to the so called legendary number 6 across from the Samaritians. If so then from what I have heard, that place was the centre of lunacy. Throwing dishes through the window...tut tut.
I'll have you know that number 6 wellesley was a house full of highly reputable individuals. We even had a few Tyrone people living there for good measure, bridging the gap and all that ;D ;)
Quote from: umgolaarmagh on June 05, 2008, 09:18:51 AM
Rolloutking
I can definitely state that there were no dishes threw out the window of no 6
El Cuevo and Onion Bag theres a few embellished stories a few pages back and a few cases of mistaken identity
I don't know who you are trying to kid Umgola, possibly just yourself. everyone else knows the real craic >:( :-X
Im just saying i never seen a dish been thrown out the window,
now
if he had of mention a tv or fridge....well thats another story
;D ;D
Quote from: umgolaarmagh on June 06, 2008, 09:39:36 AM
Im just saying i never seen a dish been thrown out the window,
now
if he had of mention a tv or fridge....well thats another story
;D ;D
Was throwing dishes out the window not your way of getting rid of the dirty ones??? ;D
Fridges?? How obscure ;)
lived in the holylands myself! i was there the night that the first documentary was shown on spotlight about noisy students misbehaving in and around the holylands. half an hour after the documentary about 300-400 students gathered on agincourt avenue along with one resident(drunk) who featured in the documentary. he was surrounded by all students and picked ppl out from the crowd he wanted to fight. eggs and flour were thrown at him. police, camera men, residents, sinn fein and 'friends' gathered. 1 resident had a bull terrior type mut and let it loose on a student infront of police and not a thing was done. alex where's your maskey ended up on top of a car roof trying to plead with students to go home and consider residents feelings. he didnt get the respect he was after. was some craic and i was there from start to finish and the residents brought it all on themselves!!
I'm sure your mummy was proud.
Quote from: buglebhoy on June 06, 2008, 02:09:24 PM
lived in the holylands myself! i was there the night that the first documentary was shown on spotlight about noisy students misbehaving in and around the holylands. half an hour after the documentary about 300-400 students gathered on agincourt avenue along with one resident(drunk) who featured in the documentary. he was surrounded by all students and picked ppl out from the crowd he wanted to fight. eggs and flour were thrown at him. police, camera men, residents, sinn fein and 'friends' gathered. 1 resident had a bull terrior type mut and let it loose on a student infront of police and not a thing was done. alex where's your maskey ended up on top of a car roof trying to plead with students to go home and consider residents feelings. he didnt get the respect he was after. was some craic and i was there from start to finish and the residents brought it all on themselves!!
rumour has it there was calls for Jerry instead
From the hit cartoon show "Tom & Jerry"? I take it you didnt do politics at university.........
Quote from: Minder on June 06, 2008, 02:55:35 PM
From the hit cartoon show "Tom & Jerry"? I take it you didnt do politics at university.........
Do you mean didn't? Take it you give English a miss ...... ::)
Ah Jaysus, it's a hard aul station.
I wonder did Alex pay for the damage he did to the car he jumped on.
Quote from: hardstation on June 06, 2008, 03:11:47 PM
You seem to have missed a few English classes.
Quote from: Apple Top on June 06, 2008, 02:41:37 PM
For f**k sake catch a grip, I was talking about us as a spieces not you personally and didn't mean to offend you if your gay. In simplest terms if Adam and Eve had of been gay we wouldn't of been about, it's an unnatural act, fact.
I was making a point you numpty.
Quote from: buglebhoy on June 06, 2008, 02:09:24 PM
lived in the holylands myself! i was there the night that the first documentary was shown on spotlight about noisy students misbehaving in and around the holylands. half an hour after the documentary about 300-400 students gathered on agincourt avenue along with one resident(drunk) who featured in the documentary. he was surrounded by all students and picked ppl out from the crowd he wanted to fight. eggs and flour were thrown at him. police, camera men, residents, sinn fein and 'friends' gathered. 1 resident had a bull terrior type mut and let it loose on a student infront of police and not a thing was done. alex where's your maskey ended up on top of a car roof trying to plead with students to go home and consider residents feelings. he didnt get the respect he was after. was some craic and i was there from start to finish and the residents brought it all on themselves!!
Remember that night well. The most random assembly of people ever. Everone just stood out in Agincourt as if something was going to happen!
Alex maskey thought he was back in the civil rights era and thought an inspiring speech was what needed to sort the crowd out. Big success that was ;)
To be fair the stuff in the original story is completely exaggerated. But i'll add my belief that the sweeping generalisation that its all Tyrone and Armagh wans who have been dazzled by the bright lights and their mammy's aren't there to tell them off, so just go off the rails!
In saying that our house became the first house ever in the Holylands to be dragged up in front to the Vice chancellor. (case of bad timing, with QUB needing to do something after spotlight and we were first in line!)
Made BBC News online and everything!
(everything was in safe hands with the infamous VP of Club and societies representing us in that meeting ;)
That was in f**king Cadogan Steet too! Hardly the epicentre of craic in the Holylands!
QuoteIm just saying i never seen a dish been thrown out the window,
now
if he had of mention a tv or fridge....well thats another story
Well just as you mentioned it I did hear rumors of a large object, possibly a fire extinguisher being put through a television to 'liven the party up'
Also a fridge being dropped out the window and when it didn't break, it was carted up to the top floor and thrown out again.
...Then again, maybe i imagined it all. As you said
Quotenumber 6 wellesley was a house full of highly reputable individuals
It doesn't beat 33 Ashley Avenue though. Some crazy shit has went down there
Quote from: bailestil on June 06, 2008, 06:05:35 PM
Remember that night well. The most random assembly of people ever. Everone just stood out in Agincourt as if something was going to happen!
Alex maskey thought he was back in the civil rights era and thought an inspiring speech was what needed to sort the crowd out. Big success that was ;)
To be fair the stuff in the original story is completely exaggerated. But i'll add my belief that the sweeping generalisation that its all Tyrone and Armagh wans who have been dazzled by the bright lights and their mammy's aren't there to tell them off, so just go off the rails!
In saying that our house became the first house ever in the Holylands to be dragged up in front to the Vice chancellor. (case of bad timing, with QUB needing to do something after spotlight and we were first in line!)
Made BBC News online and everything!
(everything was in safe hands with the infamous VP of Club and societies representing us in that meeting ;)
That was in f**king Cadogan Steet too! Hardly the epicentre of craic in the Holylands!
Was there too, but way I rem it was Maskey basically telling the students to fcuk off to bed, and everyone cheering him as though he'd said something great. Said VP should have put the students side across; doesnt he have some ridiculous tagline like 'the man they couldnt silence' for a column? Was quiet enough that night. Was in cadogan for a while too, but had mnanners when I was there. And aye, I reckon its all tyrone and armagh ones too.
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Was there too, but way I rem it was Maskey basically telling the students to fcuk off to bed, and everyone cheering him as though he'd said something great. Said VP should have put the students side across; doesnt he have some ridiculous tagline like 'the man they couldnt silence' for a column? Was quiet enough that night.
In fairness to the VP, he done a right bit of work behind the scenes . Maskey spoke reasonably well that night. Didn't take sides but done his best to defuse the situation while the likes of Alaisdair McDonnell were sound asleep in their beds. Some clown even threw an egg at Maskey so no one should say that the students are all Republicans!
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on June 07, 2008, 12:14:02 AM
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Was there too, but way I rem it was Maskey basically telling the students to fcuk off to bed, and everyone cheering him as though he'd said something great. Said VP should have put the students side across; doesnt he have some ridiculous tagline like 'the man they couldnt silence' for a column? Was quiet enough that night.
In fairness to the VP, he done a right bit of work behind the scenes . Maskey spoke reasonably well that night. Didn't take sides but done his best to defuse the situation while the likes of Alaisdair McDonnell were sound asleep in their beds. Some clown even threw an egg at Maskey so no one should say that the students are all Republicans!
How do you know the rest of the politicians were sound asleep in their beds? Is that not a bit of an assumption? Take AMcD for example (As you have), he's an MP - i.e. he covers more than this one small corner of South Belfast and has other constituents and commitments.
I'm not taking anything away from A.M.'s contribution - just not sure why the need for the assumpion on what others are at.
As for the egg throwing, i wouldn't necessarily conclude that means that the student was not a republican. As you've said, 'some clown' threw the egg. Despite being University students, they're not all the sharpest tools in the box.
QuoteDespite being University students, they're not all the sharpest tools in the box.
Very true, as many university students on this board demonstrate.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 07, 2008, 12:21:24 PM
QuoteDespite being University students, they're not all the sharpest tools in the box.
Very true, as many university students on this board demonstrate.
VERY TRUE
I've just came across this thread there now and read the article at the beginning, couldnt be bothered reading through everyones comments.
I would just like to point out that it is infact a pile of "exaggerated balls" as ONL stated.. I'm going into my 3rd year of living in the Holylands and have not witnessed any of that behaviour at all. The worst thing i've seen to date, is 3 resident's breaking down our front door to threaten me and my housemates and screaming "if you dont turn down the f**king music im gonna burn your house down with you inside it wee girl" he could of at least friggin asked nicely instead of breakin our door an scaring the absolute shit out of me an my friends (our nail loney was also a witness to this incident!!)
The next week, one of the same resident's was accused, and taken away by the police for burning the cars in Jerusalem street.
The students can't get the blame all the time! Fair enough, the students act the rag at night on their way home from clubs an whatever, but it doesnt last an its never woke me up!! Holylands has calmed down A LOT since previous years.
Quote from: achadh gallain on June 10, 2008, 03:26:14 PM
I've just came across this thread there now and read the article at the beginning, couldnt be bothered reading through everyones comments.
I would just like to point out that it is infact a pile of "exaggerated balls" as ONL stated.. I'm going into my 3rd year of living in the Holylands and have not witnessed any of that behaviour at all. The worst thing i've seen to date, is 3 resident's breaking down our front door to threaten me and my housemates and screaming "if you dont turn down the f**king music im gonna burn your house down with you inside it wee girl" he could of at least friggin asked nicely instead of breakin our door an scaring the absolute shit out of me an my friends (our nail loney was also a witness to this incident!!)
The next week, one of the same resident's was accused, and taken away by the police for burning the cars in Jerusalem street.
The students can't get the blame all the time! Fair enough, the students act the rag at night on their way home from clubs an whatever, but it doesnt last an its never woke me up!! Holylands has calmed down A LOT since previous years.
Came across this resident myself... asshole! He landed into the front room of my wee bro's house on Paddy's day and made sure they didn't make any noise "til upset my wee girl". Talked about people having known what he's done around the Holylands and he's feared of "nobody nat even the peelers or naffin". I believe he's dead now... sad that.
I did come on here and slag the holylands and the students but of course there are plenty of resident's who need locked up. On balance though my opinion having lived there and having been back on a few occasions since then would be that the students are responsible for a lot more anti social behaviour than the residents!
Here here. Just because you (achadh gallain) are a heavy sleeper, doesn't mean that its all peaceful outside. 93% of students living in the holylands are mental. 91% of these are from Tyrone/Armagh. Fact.
WUM
Partly true, but did you ever live in the Holylands Umgola?
Quote from: wherefromreferee? on June 10, 2008, 03:46:29 PM
Here here. Just because you (achadh gallain) are a heavy sleeper, doesn't mean that its all peaceful outside. 93% of students living in the holylands are mental. 91% of these are from Tyrone/Armagh. Fact.
where'd these figures come from?? The Portadown times? I haven't seen them posted before
Quote from: wherefromreferee? on June 10, 2008, 03:53:31 PM
Partly true, but did you ever live in the Holylands Umgola?
Umgola and Ted Hazard (RIP) were the legends of the Holyland region I will have you know wherefromreferee, just out of curiosity where are you from?
Quote from: Onion Bag on June 10, 2008, 04:05:15 PM
Quote from: wherefromreferee? on June 10, 2008, 03:53:31 PM
Partly true, but did you ever live in the Holylands Umgola?
Umgola and Ted Hazard (RIP) were the legends of the Holyland region I will have you know wherefromreferee, just out of curiosity where are you from?
I seem to recall you weren't that quiet yourself Onion Bag
Quote from: Onion Bag on June 10, 2008, 04:05:15 PM
Quote from: wherefromreferee? on June 10, 2008, 03:53:31 PM
Partly true, but did you ever live in the Holylands Umgola?
Umgola and Ted Hazard (RIP) were the legends of the Holyland region I will have you know wherefromreferee, just out of curiosity where are you from?
Define Legends? Did they study hard, revise like crazy and pass all their exams? :D ;)
Looks like I've ruffled a few feathers - no harm intended. Maybe I should have just stuck to insulting Tyrone.
Does it matter where I'm from? I lived in the Holylands years ago and the place scared me then. It could easily have improved.
Quote from: el_cuervo_fc on June 10, 2008, 04:10:52 PM
Quote from: Onion Bag on June 10, 2008, 04:05:15 PM
Quote from: wherefromreferee? on June 10, 2008, 03:53:31 PM
Partly true, but did you ever live in the Holylands Umgola?
Umgola and Ted Hazard (RIP) were the legends of the Holyland region I will have you know wherefromreferee, just out of curiosity where are you from?
I seem to recall you weren't that quiet yourself Onion Bag
I am very easily led and fell in with a bad bunch! :D
Quote from: wherefromreferee? on June 10, 2008, 03:46:29 PM
Here here. Just because you (achadh gallain) are a heavy sleeper, doesn't mean that its all peaceful outside. 93% of students living in the holylands are mental. 91% of these are from Tyrone/Armagh. Fact.
I am not a heavy sleeper, an I will admit i have been woken up once or twice in the past 2 and half years if im not already awake. It still does not suffice this oul shite burning cars and threatening a house full of girls who are doing no wrong. As for your figures.. any way of proving this at all?? im not from either of these counties but its still not right to single out where these people are from unless you have proof.
Quote from: screenexile on June 10, 2008, 03:41:48 PM
Quote from: achadh gallain on June 10, 2008, 03:26:14 PM
I've just came across this thread there now and read the article at the beginning, couldnt be bothered reading through everyones comments.
I would just like to point out that it is infact a pile of "exaggerated balls" as ONL stated.. I'm going into my 3rd year of living in the Holylands and have not witnessed any of that behaviour at all. The worst thing i've seen to date, is 3 resident's breaking down our front door to threaten me and my housemates and screaming "if you dont turn down the f**king music im gonna burn your house down with you inside it wee girl" he could of at least friggin asked nicely instead of breakin our door an scaring the absolute shit out of me an my friends (our nail loney was also a witness to this incident!!)
The next week, one of the same resident's was accused, and taken away by the police for burning the cars in Jerusalem street.
The students can't get the blame all the time! Fair enough, the students act the rag at night on their way home from clubs an whatever, but it doesnt last an its never woke me up!! Holylands has calmed down A LOT since previous years.
Came across this resident myself... asshole! He landed into the front room of my wee bro's house on Paddy's day and made sure they didn't make any noise "til upset my wee girl". Talked about people having known what he's done around the Holylands and he's feared of "nobody nat even the peelers or naffin". I believe he's dead now... sad that.
I did come on here and slag the holylands and the students but of course there are plenty of resident's who need locked up. On balance though my opinion having lived there and having been back on a few occasions since then would be that the students are responsible for a lot more anti social behaviour than the residents!
she's a wee brat an all... I seen his wee fella smashing a budweiser bottle at a door while walking home from an exam last saturday. I thought he was for throwing it at my feet, only he hit the door. Its nice how he's bringin up his children in Jerusalem st. I can safely say i hate that man.. >:(
witnessed a few dirty actions from residents in my time too...worst being a gas cylinder being put through a window at 5am and landing on the bed that a friend was lying in. residents see students as an easy touch...
best revenge mission i heard of was a fella who got hit by a resident for making noise one night, the fella waited until the end of term then covered the residents windscreen in oil and filled car exhaust with expandable foam...
Quote from: wherefromreferee? on June 10, 2008, 04:19:28 PM
Quote from: Onion Bag on June 10, 2008, 04:05:15 PM
Quote from: wherefromreferee? on June 10, 2008, 03:53:31 PM
Partly true, but did you ever live in the Holylands Umgola?
Umgola and Ted Hazard (RIP) were the legends of the Holyland region I will have you know wherefromreferee, just out of curiosity where are you from?
Define Legends? Did they study hard, revise like crazy and pass all their exams? :D ;)
Looks like I've ruffled a few feathers - no harm intended. Maybe I should have just stuck to insulting Tyrone.
Does it matter where I'm from? I lived in the Holylands years ago and the place scared me then. It could easily have improved.
Work hard and play hard that was my motto when residing in the Holylands
A degree and postgrad in 3.5 years not bad going
Visited the Chateau and Hatfield a few times though but you cant be studying all the time
Was listening to the wireless on the way to work this morning, and it seems that things have not changed, the students are back and up to badness again, some resident was on live and didnt get to sleep until 04:00 this morning, is this ever going to get resolved
Now that the students are back Im looking forward to seeing plenty of female muck savages resplendent in Gaa tops now around Belfast
Quote from: Minder on September 25, 2008, 11:05:31 AM
Now that the students are back Im looking forward to seeing plenty of female muck savages resplendent in Gaa tops now around Belfast
Is that all young women from Tyrone and Armagh wear when they are going out? I see them all the time on the Ormeau Rd. Mind you it is better than the over- weight mothers in pyjamas standing at the bus stop with kids waiting on the school bus.
Quote from: Onion Bag on September 25, 2008, 10:57:25 AM
Was listening to the wireless on the way to work this morning, and it seems that things have not changed, the students are back and up to badness again, some resident was on live and didnt get to sleep until 04:00 this morning, is this ever going to get resolved
When I was at College a house beside us full of locals would reguarly keep us up tp four/ Will this ever be resolved?
the tyrone gals all love the gaa tops - and the gaa players ;) ;) ;)
im heading down for a comeback tour tonight, il let everyone know if it has got any worse!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOdevNC0Lec
thats the stuff tommy.
great tune!
Cork students seem to be pretty bad...it seems to be blonde arts bimbos causing all the noise as they have like 2 hours a week compared to my 30hours a week!!!!
you can just imagine it being played in the hatfield tonight and the Carrickmore girls are going mad, still wearing their Rockwell jersey which is now stuck onto them from Sunday........ YYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D
im a 4th year med student so be in hospital a good few hours a day
wasnt out this week but never got to sleep til bout 3/4 on mon and tues so i just had to go on the rip to get a good kip
if u cant beat them join them
Used to do the same myself, the house was f**king freezin and the noise was mad, so i would just go out, slept like a log every night
Quote from: corn02 on September 25, 2008, 11:18:05 AM
Quote from: Onion Bag on September 25, 2008, 10:57:25 AM
Was listening to the wireless on the way to work this morning, and it seems that things have not changed, the students are back and up to badness again, some resident was on live and didnt get to sleep until 04:00 this morning, is this ever going to get resolved
When I was at College a house beside us full of locals would reguarly keep us up tp four/ Will this ever be resolved?
I lived down there when I was a student and for some time after finishing my studies and some of the worst things I experienced were from local yobs/druggies/alchos/dole seekers. Yes there's a fair bit of "boisterous" behaviour from the students but there's an awful lot worse behaviour for the locals. Example, 3 of us on the way home one night walking down cromwell were set upon by 3 locals with hammers (we found this out as the police arrested them later that night). I know 2 girls who were attacked also by locals. I know one lad who was almost abducted by 2 men in a car with belfast accets.
So its not all as one sided as we would be led to believe. I'd hazard a guess that anything and everything gets blamed on students, and it is not always the case.
Here here, im on the students side, The locals round the ormeau, holylands, lisburn rd areas are scummy bastards.
Quote from: Onion Bag on September 25, 2008, 03:17:12 PM
The locals round the ormeau, holylands, lisburn rd areas are scummy b**tards.
What a lot of shite, there are some scumbags but there are plenty of people trying to get on with their lives ffs.
Ok ok oK, maybe i tarred everyone with the one brush, but there is a a hell of a lot of them
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8LdlngCA4I&feature=related
:-X
Quote from: nifan on September 25, 2008, 03:20:55 PM
Quote from: Onion Bag on September 25, 2008, 03:17:12 PM
The locals round the ormeau, holylands, lisburn rd areas are scummy b**tards.
What a lot of shite, there are some scumbags but there are plenty of people trying to get on with their lives ffs.
Just as bad as people saying ll students in the Holylands are drunken louts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlsswnoAHuo&feature=related
Those were the days Tommy lad! Wouldnt mind going down on a comeback tour myself!
when we took Tommy hamill ,simon crozier, cueball, etc into Renshaws on that hot september day, Belfast changed forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Renshaws is demolished they are building a "proper Budget hotel" trying to steer away from the students no doubt, The Hatfield has taken over the studen market, packed Sun-Thur Nights,
Jasus that renshaws place is steeped in history, some rips in there, spent all my student loans, grants, and hardship loans in the place. some craic! ;)
Quote from: Mickey Linden on September 25, 2008, 05:02:11 PM
Those were the days Tommy lad! Wouldnt mind going down on a comeback tour myself!
Maybe even give it a rattle myself......Show them how its done.....
Quote from: corn02 on September 25, 2008, 04:08:28 PM
Just as bad as people saying ll students in the Holylands are drunken louts.
Yep it is. But the holylands has a problem and students are a major part of it.
Quote from: T O Hare on September 25, 2008, 12:48:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOdevNC0Lec
Great tune O hare, would make ya think frick this 9-5 shit, ya need to get back down to the thick of it.
Anyone know what age you have to be, to be a mature student? ;)
For all those defending the students, fair enough. But imagine the following scenario - The locals are your parents and younger siblings. What would they put up with? Would they be happy with a 'bit of fun' at all hours of the night? Would you recommend your parents move to the Holylands?
imagine this scenario - your parents or siblings just purchased a crappy old house in the holy lands and want to make as much money as possible from renting it out. Do they:
A: Rent it to a local family and get minimum rent from the DHS, have to fix it up to a decent standard and barely if at all cover their mortgage.
B: Rent to a group of students, let it continue to be a shit hole, cover their mortgage and make a few quid on top of that.
Quote from: The Iceman on September 25, 2008, 06:41:37 PM
imagine this scenario - your parents or siblings just purchased a crappy old house in the holy lands and want to make as much money as possible from renting it out. Do they:
A: Rent it to a local family and get minimum rent from the DHS, have to fix it up to a decent standard and barely if at all cover their mortgage.
B: Rent to a group of students, let it continue to be a shit hole, cover their mortgage and make a few quid on top of that.
Eh? B is the general scenario. I think you're missing the point.
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on September 25, 2008, 05:35:28 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on September 25, 2008, 05:02:11 PM
Those were the days Tommy lad! Wouldnt mind going down on a comeback tour myself!
Maybe even give it a rattle myself......Show them how its done.....
You made the guiness book of records did nt you Pat.. 10 fresher weeks in a row!!!!!
Quote from: Maguire01 on September 25, 2008, 08:39:14 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on September 25, 2008, 06:41:37 PM
imagine this scenario - your parents or siblings just purchased a crappy old house in the holy lands and want to make as much money as possible from renting it out. Do they:
A: Rent it to a local family and get minimum rent from the DHS, have to fix it up to a decent standard and barely if at all cover their mortgage.
B: Rent to a group of students, let it continue to be a shit hole, cover their mortgage and make a few quid on top of that.
Eh? B is the general scenario. I think you're missing the point.
what point am I missing? You are trying to make people see this from the residents perspective
I disagree
Quote from: The Iceman on September 25, 2008, 08:42:50 PM
what point am I missing? You are trying to make people see this from the residents perspective
I disagree
What do you disagree with? The idea of seeing things from the other side?
I'd agree slightly with the students, the houses are shit around there and most of them could be doing with being knocked down. I'm surprised anyone can get "locals" to live in them and not just because of the noise problems. The student's pay ridiculous rent for shit accommodation yet continue to do so? Why? Are there no student unions? - I forgot, they're all out getting pissed.
Why do St Mary's students only pay rent for what? 8 months of the year when around the Holylands students have to pay for 12 months? What's the story with that?
Anyway, all that said Iceman, if there was never a "local" living in the Holylands it doesn't makes student's behaviour acceptable.
I'd guess that very few of the locals who live there own their own houses, therefore selling up and moving out is not an option. Many live in housing association stock. If they leave, they will be classed as voluntarily homeless and will not qualify for the NIHE waiting list.
I heard one local resident on the news and he made the good point about the Universitys' responsibility to provide accommodation. A couple of thousand students live in the Elms and there isn't anywhere near as much trouble there. Maybe if Queen's and UU provided enough accommodation, in designated villages with proper facilities, security and policing, the problems wouldn't be as bad. I'm sure such a venture could be self-financing in the long run. As a result, students would get better housing, demand for rented accommodation would drop and so landlords would have to 'up' their game in terms of standards and cost, and maybe the Holylands could become more like any other normal residential part of the city.
Just back there now, was down showing the freshers how its done for the last two nights!
The hatfield is cleaning up, bunged yesterday by about one o clock
Was there from elevn masel, didnt make it out! Good time though
Nail, any hurling played at 2 a.m. using apples for sliotairs?
There wouldn't have been much ear-licking going on either, what with the Hurricane not being there.......
Quote from: The Gs Man on September 26, 2008, 02:08:49 PM
Nail, any hurling played at 2 a.m. using apples for sliotairs?
There wouldn't have been much ear-licking going on either, what with the Hurricane not being there.......
Was surely sure the residents have an awful time of it, least they get the odd robbery at the weekend to keep them going!!
Stomach is in bits here, like tommy hamill!
Quote from: Maguire01 on September 25, 2008, 08:47:18 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on September 25, 2008, 08:42:50 PM
what point am I missing? You are trying to make people see this from the residents perspective
I disagree
What do you disagree with? The idea of seeing things from the other side?
I just wanted to make you take what you were saying about the residents and imagine if it was your parents blah blah blah and see it from the students side and imagine it was your parents blah blah blah
I was driving past the Hatfield on Tuesday at 3pm and there were about 20 fellas & girls sitting outside in Tyrone jersies. Oh for the student life again! lol
It isnt just "locals" there are plenty of students who get pissed off with other students wrecking the joint.
You here some boys having a great laugh about the "craic" when someone pissed through a letterbox, or broke off a wing mirror and all that oul shite
So all the muck savages hang out in the Hatfield? Best avoided then........
Quote from: Over the Bar on September 26, 2008, 03:44:06 PM
I was driving past the Hatfield on Tuesday at 3pm and there were about 20 fellas & girls sitting outside in Tyrone jersies. Oh for the student life again! lol
It's them Tyrone b****s all the time... you can take them nowhere. It's a pity the good folk from the other 8 Counties have their reputations damaged by the actions of that Tyrone shower.... they shouldn't be allowed to go to University. SUre isn't Loughry offering HNDs in farming now? They should stay there away from the big smoke anyway because they obviously can't handle the freedom. Like letting monkeys out of their cage!
Quote from: screenexile on September 26, 2008, 03:58:33 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on September 26, 2008, 03:44:06 PM
I was driving past the Hatfield on Tuesday at 3pm and there were about 20 fellas & girls sitting outside in Tyrone jersies. Oh for the student life again! lol
It's them Tyrone b****s all the time... you can take them nowhere. It's a pity the good folk from the other 8 Counties have their reputations damaged by the actions of that Tyrone shower.... they shouldn't be allowed to go to University. SUre isn't Loughry offering HNDs in farming now? They should stay there away from the big smoke anyway because they obviously can't handle the freedom. Like letting monkeys out of their cage!
And thats just the fella's
The women are far worse....
nail u never make it out anyway ;)
1st week back in the smoke myself. Living on Fitzroy. The Holylands were well patrolled by the cops and wardens all week. Didnt get much kip though as a group of culchy ballickses used my window sill as a beer garden. I had to revert to drinking a bottle of Buckfast every night to help me sleep ;D
Quote from: T O Hare on September 25, 2008, 08:40:55 PM
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on September 25, 2008, 05:35:28 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on September 25, 2008, 05:02:11 PM
Those were the days Tommy lad! Wouldnt mind going down on a comeback tour myself!
Maybe even give it a rattle myself......Show them how its done.....
You made the guiness book of records did nt you Pat.. 10 fresher weeks in a row!!!!!
Oh yes any excuse for a week off work on the rip!
Lived in holylands myself, some of the residents were the biggest assholes ever..one once chased us with he dog! due to one south armagh slabber
Mad a comeback myself this week, would do anything to be back there :)
a good mate of mine and his friend and their two girlfriends were in belfast for new years eve walking from one party to another
in the holylands some local young lads (about 15/16 yrs old) fired some stones at them. At first they let it go. Then a couple of the stones broke a car window close by and got a bit close for comfort - so leaving their girlfriends my mate and his mate gave chase. They got to Carmel street and a squad of lads (all in their mid teens) came out of a garden and ambushed them. Both were beaten badly and the other lad had a breeze block dropped on his head and lost an eye.
I am not saying all the locals are scumbags - they are a lot of good people living in the holylands - there are also a lot of unsavory characters living in the holylands and they are not all from tyrone.
My final point on it is that the locals choose to be locals
Quote from: The Iceman on September 26, 2008, 07:29:08 PM
a good mate of mine and his friend and their two girlfriends were in belfast for new years eve walking from one party to another
in the holylands some local young lads (about 15/16 yrs old) fired some stones at them. At first they let it go. Then a couple of the stones broke a car window close by and got a bit close for comfort - so leaving their girlfriends my mate and his mate gave chase. They got to Carmel street and a squad of lads (all in their mid teens) came out of a garden and ambushed them. Both were beaten badly and the other lad had a breeze block dropped on his head and lost an eye.
I am not saying all the locals are scumbags - they are a lot of good people living in the holylands - there are also a lot of unsavory characters living in the holylands and they are not all from tyrone.
My final point on it is that the locals choose to be locals
Holy f**k :o
sc**bag f**kers...
Quote from: The Iceman on September 26, 2008, 07:29:08 PM
a good mate of mine and his friend and their two girlfriends were in belfast for new years eve walking from one party to another
in the holylands some local young lads (about 15/16 yrs old) fired some stones at them. At first they let it go. Then a couple of the stones broke a car window close by and got a bit close for comfort - so leaving their girlfriends my mate and his mate gave chase. They got to Carmel street and a squad of lads (all in their mid teens) came out of a garden and ambushed them. Both were beaten badly and the other lad had a breeze block dropped on his head and lost an eye.
I am not saying all the locals are scumbags - they are a lot of good people living in the holylands - there are also a lot of unsavory characters living in the holylands and they are not all from tyrone.
My final point on it is that the locals choose to be locals
You could tell that story about any town or city in ireland. Teenage thugs live in the Holylands - I must say that is a shocker! Maybe you should have an all night party, pish in their letterbox, run over the top of their cars, rip their wipers and wing mirrors off, leave rubbish strewn about the place, play hurling at 2am (how original! I didn't think anyone in Tyrone knew what a caman was) and then run back to your mammy at the weekend. That'll fix the locals. Who are called locals because they have lived there for generations. The students were inflicted on them not the other way about.
Back in the Holylands for 2nd year and already I can see that most of residents are still a bunch o spides
Theres 3 residents in my street and I have the misfortune of having 2 on either side of me.
The other one lives up the street. We get on grand with the two on either side of us and if we ever make too much noise the wee woman beside us just asks us to quieten down. Give her a wee vodka and shes happy as larry. One of the boys even got her messages for her from Spar the other day. The ones on the other side are 'foreign nationals' and they just say hello every once in a while.
The boy up the street is a complete w ank tho. Last weekend he smashed the front window and let down the car tyre of the girls across the street from us. Then on Monday he was walking past and says 'Here girls do you like your party's?' They replied 'aye sometimes' to which he says 'Well if theres any more I'll smash all your fukcn windies aaight'
Then when you tell the wardens aka the plastic police all they can say is wheres your proof. Like is the whole in the window not a big hint.
Then just last night there was a guy up from home for the night out and he was staying in our house. He was going about shouting with a megaphone and to be fair it was far too loud and we told him to turn it off cos we wanted some sleep as well.
Anyway me and my house mate were sitting on the wall outside and 2 cops came walking down the street. The lad with the megaphone ran inside but we stayed there because we weren't doing anything wrong. One of the cops comes over and starts trying to act the hard man and thinking he's above us saying things like 'What's your name, I'm asking you a question, Answer me'
We were sitting there saying 'Sure we just talking here, The boy with the megaphone doesn't even live here' to which he puts his finger on his lip like a mini-Hitler school teacher and says 'Quiet, I'm talking.'
He then forced us to show out students ID's and is reporting us to our University's and we never even done anything. To be honest I wanted to go after him with a Hurl and batter his skull in.
However the real sickener of the story is that it was the resident who broke the girls window and let down there tyres that reported us for the megaphone
Anyone know who the undesirables in Jerusalem Street are? They're at the bottom on the junction with Agincourt. Was there mthis eveing and there was about 5 fellas sitting out the front with their kids f*cking off girls walking past muhc to the adults amusement. Pure tramps look like they've been run out of somewhere
You shoulda battered your idoit mates head in with the hurl instead.
What the fk was he doing with a megaphone anyway?
Quote from: rolloutking on September 26, 2008, 11:17:00 PM
Back in the Holylands for 2nd year and already I can see that most of residents are still a bunch o spides
Theres 3 residents in my street and I have the misfortune of having 2 on either side of me.
The other one lives up the street. We get on grand with the two on either side of us and if we ever make too much noise the wee woman beside us just asks us to quieten down. Give her a wee vodka and shes happy as larry. One of the boys even got her messages for her from Spar the other day. The ones on the other side are 'foreign nationals' and they just say hello every once in a while.
The boy up the street is a complete w ank tho. Last weekend he smashed the front window and let down the car tyre of the girls across the street from us. Then on Monday he was walking past and says 'Here girls do you like your party's?' They replied 'aye sometimes' to which he says 'Well if theres any more I'll smash all your fukcn windies aaight'
Then when you tell the wardens aka the plastic police all they can say is wheres your proof. Like is the whole in the window not a big hint.
Then just last night there was a guy up from home for the night out and he was staying in our house. He was going about shouting with a megaphone and to be fair it was far too loud and we told him to turn it off cos we wanted some sleep as well.
Anyway me and my house mate were sitting on the wall outside and 2 cops came walking down the street. The lad with the megaphone ran inside but we stayed there because we weren't doing anything wrong. One of the cops comes over and starts trying to act the hard man and thinking he's above us saying things like 'What's your name, I'm asking you a question, Answer me'
We were sitting there saying 'Sure we just talking here, The boy with the megaphone doesn't even live here' to which he puts his finger on his lip like a mini-Hitler school teacher and says 'Quiet, I'm talking.'
He then forced us to show out students ID's and is reporting us to our University's and we never even done anything. To be honest I wanted to go after him with a Hurl and batter his skull in.
However the real sickener of the story is that it was the resident who broke the girls window and let down there tyres that reported us for the megaphone
You have our total sympathy... ::)
Quote from: under the bar on September 26, 2008, 11:19:29 PM
Anyone know who the undesirables in Jerusalem Street are? They're at the bottom on the junction with Agincourt. Was there mthis eveing and there was about 5 fellas sitting out the front with their kids f*cking off girls walking past muhc to the adults amusement. Pure tramps look like they've been run out of somewhere
Carrickmore possibly?
QuoteYou shoulda battered your idoit mates head in with the hurl instead.
What the fk was he doing with a megaphone anyway?
We acquired it for freshers week. It was good craic during the day shouting at people but last night all we wanted to do was sleep. We didn't even go out because we were dying from the previous 9 days of intoxication and had class today
I no it was out of order but my point was that the policeman didnt even see the guy shouting through it and still takes my name and reports
me to my Uni. I was just sitting on the wall because there was no point sitting in bed with the noise. Anyway it's not like shouting through a megaphone is a crime?
However the resident who caused criminal damage on more than one occasion, which he admitted and then made further intimidating threats, gets away scot free. We ask for something to be done and the reply from the police is that there is no proof.
I said there's no proof my mate was shouting through the megaphone and there's definitely none that I was shouting through it because my throat was red raw from the cheap vodka the day before, so even if i wanted to shout i couldn't
It seems there's one rule for the residents and one rule for the students.
PSNI....aye right
Why were you sitting outside on a wall?
Would you sit outside on your ma's wall on a saturday night talking to your mates while one of them runs round causing as much disturbance as possible?
As much I sympathise with you over the reporting thing, I doubt you'll find much sympathy here. FFS a megaphone for crying out loud. What did you think would happen to it at night, sit in the corner?
The uni will do f**k all anyway. Fee payers are more important to them. If youse behaved yourselves you wouldn't have the peelers on your case. It's not like it hasn't been well publicised that students needed to behave themselves. None of you would get on like that at home so why should anyone put up with it when your at university.
Right I know it was out of order and I'll take whatever punishment comes my way, thats if I did anything but i was just sitting on the wall talking to my mate. Is that a crime now as well. Then I get my name took by the police.
Whereas the resident doesn't even get a verbal warning.
Look at it this way. Say you and your mates where out on Saturday night at home. One of your pals is drunk and starts shouting roaring which keeps some people up. The police are called and you are the one who gets in sh it with the cops even though you didn't do anything.
Then the person who your mate kept awake goes and smashes your window and lets down your car tyre, admits it and then threatens to do more gets away scot free. Totally innocent because nobody seen it. He is then able to walk past you winking and laughing knowing that he is as safe from prosecution as a super grass.
Who is the one that needs to behave themselves there seeing some of you are condemn violent and disrupting behavior?
The megaphone was only a toy one. Its no louder than a cd player.
QuoteThen the person who your mate kept awake goes and smashes your window and lets down your car tyre, admits it and then threatens to do more gets away scot free. Totally innocent because nobody seen it. He is then able to walk past you winking and laughing knowing that he is as safe from prosecution as a super grass.
He might sound like a sc**bag but if someone was keeping me up every night acting the dick outside on the street I'd be tempted to do the same.
Why the need to sit on a wall talking at that time in the morning?
Quote
One of your pals is drunk and starts shouting roaring which keeps some people up. The police are called and you are the one who gets in sh it with the cops even though you didn't do anything.
I'd shut my mate up long before the police got there.
QuoteHe might sound like a sc**bag but if someone was keeping me up every night acting the dick outside on the street I'd be tempted to do the same.
Did I say it was every night?
QuoteWhy the need to sit on a wall talking at that time in the morning?
Making sure that nothing was going to happen my car which was parked near a crowd of people squaring up to each other.
Yeh I suppose i shouldn't have been doing that either ::)
Quote from: rolloutking on September 26, 2008, 11:44:19 PM
QuoteYou shoulda battered your idoit mates head in with the hurl instead.
What the fk was he doing with a megaphone anyway?
We acquired it for freshers week. It was good craic during the day shouting at people but last night all we wanted to do was sleep. We didn't even go out because we were dying from the previous 9 days of intoxication and had class today
I no it was out of order but my point was that the policeman didnt even see the guy shouting through it and still takes my name and reports me to my Uni. I was just sitting on the wall because there was no point sitting in bed with the noise. Anyway it's not like shouting through a megaphone is a crime?
However the resident who caused criminal damage on more than one occasion, which he admitted and then made further intimidating threats, gets away scot free. We ask for something to be done and the reply from the police is that there is no proof.
I said there's no proof my mate was shouting through the megaphone and there's definitely none that I was shouting through it because my throat was red raw from the cheap vodka the day before, so even if i wanted to shout i couldn't
It seems there's one rule for the residents and one rule for the students.
PSNI....aye right
i agree whats the deal with gettin on all the students backs like its not as if everyone who lives in the holylands is an absolute tr**p like. i have a feelin there are people here posting who are making rash generalisations not having even been near the place. they are just goin on hearsay. yes a lot of students do make noise and are disruptive, but if there are 5,000 living there, of which i am one, i can guarantee that there are well less than a quarter who would be anywhere near abusive. so just lay off the generalisations because not everyone living in the holylands is a disgrace or whatever you's want to call us/them!
Quote from: supersub on September 27, 2008, 01:25:56 AM
Quote from: rolloutking on September 26, 2008, 11:44:19 PM
QuoteYou shoulda battered your idoit mates head in with the hurl instead.
What the fk was he doing with a megaphone anyway?
We acquired it for freshers week. It was good craic during the day shouting at people but last night all we wanted to do was sleep. We didn't even go out because we were dying from the previous 9 days of intoxication and had class today
I no it was out of order but my point was that the policeman didnt even see the guy shouting through it and still takes my name and reports me to my Uni. I was just sitting on the wall because there was no point sitting in bed with the noise. Anyway it's not like shouting through a megaphone is a crime?
However the resident who caused criminal damage on more than one occasion, which he admitted and then made further intimidating threats, gets away scot free. We ask for something to be done and the reply from the police is that there is no proof.
I said there's no proof my mate was shouting through the megaphone and there's definitely none that I was shouting through it because my throat was red raw from the cheap vodka the day before, so even if i wanted to shout i couldn't
It seems there's one rule for the residents and one rule for the students.
PSNI....aye right
i agree whats the deal with gettin on all the students backs like its not as if everyone who lives in the holylands is an absolute tr**p like. i have a feelin there are people here posting who are making rash generalisations not having even been near the place. they are just goin on hearsay. yes a lot of students do make noise and are disruptive, but if there are 5,000 living there, of which i am one, i can guarantee that there are well less than a quarter who would be anywhere near abusive. so just lay off the generalisations because not everyone living in the holylands is a disgrace or whatever you's want to call us/them!
So no more than 1250 people are disruptive in your estimation? Sure that's nothing, why didn't you say earlier?! I do believe that is another case closed.
And Jesus wept.
Quote from: The Iceman on September 26, 2008, 02:12:54 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on September 25, 2008, 08:47:18 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on September 25, 2008, 08:42:50 PM
what point am I missing? You are trying to make people see this from the residents perspective
I disagree
What do you disagree with? The idea of seeing things from the other side?
I just wanted to make you take what you were saying about the residents and imagine if it was your parents blah blah blah and see it from the students side and imagine it was your parents blah blah blah
Very mature. Well done.
Of course your perspective is the only valid one.
Quote from: The Iceman on September 26, 2008, 07:29:08 PM
My final point on it is that the locals choose to be locals
There is no excuse for violence - that's black and white. But you obviously don't understand that locals can just 'up sticks and leave'. I'll copy and paste again:
QuoteI'd guess that very few of the locals who live there own their own houses, therefore selling up and moving out is not an option. Many live in housing association stock. If they leave, they will be classed as voluntarily homeless and will not qualify for the NIHE waiting list.
Students on the other hand use the area as a base for 30 weeks of the year and generally don't care what happens there. On the other hand, if they choose to 'live' there, knowing how things are, they can't complain that they don't like the residents!
Quote from: Tony Baloney on September 27, 2008, 10:09:16 AM
Quote from: supersub on September 27, 2008, 01:25:56 AM
Quote from: rolloutking on September 26, 2008, 11:44:19 PM
QuoteYou shoulda battered your idoit mates head in with the hurl instead.
What the fk was he doing with a megaphone anyway?
We acquired it for freshers week. It was good craic during the day shouting at people but last night all we wanted to do was sleep. We didn't even go out because we were dying from the previous 9 days of intoxication and had class today
I no it was out of order but my point was that the policeman didnt even see the guy shouting through it and still takes my name and reports me to my Uni. I was just sitting on the wall because there was no point sitting in bed with the noise. Anyway it's not like shouting through a megaphone is a crime?
However the resident who caused criminal damage on more than one occasion, which he admitted and then made further intimidating threats, gets away scot free. We ask for something to be done and the reply from the police is that there is no proof.
I said there's no proof my mate was shouting through the megaphone and there's definitely none that I was shouting through it because my throat was red raw from the cheap vodka the day before, so even if i wanted to shout i couldn't
It seems there's one rule for the residents and one rule for the students.
PSNI....aye right
i agree whats the deal with gettin on all the students backs like its not as if everyone who lives in the holylands is an absolute tr**p like. i have a feelin there are people here posting who are making rash generalisations not having even been near the place. they are just goin on hearsay. yes a lot of students do make noise and are disruptive, but if there are 5,000 living there, of which i am one, i can guarantee that there are well less than a quarter who would be anywhere near abusive. so just lay off the generalisations because not everyone living in the holylands is a disgrace or whatever you's want to call us/them!
So no more than 1250 people are disruptive in your estimation? Sure that's nothing, why didn't you say earlier?! I do believe that is another case closed.
And Jesus wept.
Still doesnt mean you tar everyone with the same brush....There are wankers on both sides i;m sure....
Quote from: rolloutking on September 26, 2008, 11:17:00 PM
Then just last night there was a guy up from home for the night out and he was staying in our house. He was going about shouting with a megaphone and to be fair it was far too loud and we told him to turn it off cos we wanted some sleep as well.
Speaks volumes. No pun intended.
Quote from: rolloutking on September 27, 2008, 12:34:53 AM
QuoteHe might sound like a sc**bag but if someone was keeping me up every night acting the dick outside on the street I'd be tempted to do the same.
Did I say it was every night?
QuoteWhy the need to sit on a wall talking at that time in the morning?
Making sure that nothing was going to happen my car which was parked near a crowd of people squaring up to each other.
Yeh I suppose i shouldn't have been doing that either ::)
Strange you didn't mention that in the first post.
Look I'm not having a go and I don't think all the students are tramps but you wouldn't sit on your wall at home talking on a saturday night and I'm sure you wouldn't let your mate run around wakening all the neighbours so why do it in Belfast?
At least you have the sense to see he was being a tit - it's the people who think breaking windows, kicking doors in or wrecking the house you're staying in is great craic that are the pricks.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on September 27, 2008, 10:09:16 AM
Quote from: supersub on September 27, 2008, 01:25:56 AM
Quote from: rolloutking on September 26, 2008, 11:44:19 PM
QuoteYou shoulda battered your idoit mates head in with the hurl instead.
What the fk was he doing with a megaphone anyway?
We acquired it for freshers week. It was good craic during the day shouting at people but last night all we wanted to do was sleep. We didn't even go out because we were dying from the previous 9 days of intoxication and had class today
I no it was out of order but my point was that the policeman didnt even see the guy shouting through it and still takes my name and reports me to my Uni. I was just sitting on the wall because there was no point sitting in bed with the noise. Anyway it's not like shouting through a megaphone is a crime?
However the resident who caused criminal damage on more than one occasion, which he admitted and then made further intimidating threats, gets away scot free. We ask for something to be done and the reply from the police is that there is no proof.
I said there's no proof my mate was shouting through the megaphone and there's definitely none that I was shouting through it because my throat was red raw from the cheap vodka the day before, so even if i wanted to shout i couldn't
It seems there's one rule for the residents and one rule for the students.
PSNI....aye right
i agree whats the deal with gettin on all the students backs like its not as if everyone who lives in the holylands is an absolute tr**p like. i have a feelin there are people here posting who are making rash generalisations not having even been near the place. they are just goin on hearsay. yes a lot of students do make noise and are disruptive, but if there are 5,000 living there, of which i am one, i can guarantee that there are well less than a quarter who would be anywhere near abusive. so just lay off the generalisations because not everyone living in the holylands is a disgrace or whatever you's want to call us/them!
So no more than 1250 people are disruptive in your estimation? Sure that's nothing, why didn't you say earlier?! I do believe that is another case closed.
And Jesus wept.
Alright bigshot, lets not get carried away with yourself here. 'another case closed' wud u ever catch a grip, who do u think u are. And i never said it wasnt a big amount did i. My point was that nowhere near everyone who lives there cause trouble. Because thats what a lot of posters were sayin!
Look I don't think anyone believes all the students are at it. However some people on here think it is acceptable behaviour because a few locals are dodgy. There are dodgy people everywhere.
People need to ask themselves how they would react if a few thousand travellers descended on their town or village in armagh, tyrone or wherever and behaved the same way a large proportion of the students in the Holylands behave. I'll tell you it wouldn't last too many nights before "the locals" were taking matters into their own hands. Why should the locals of the Holylands accept it if you or your family wouldn't accept it if the shoe was on the other foot?
Quote from: Tony Baloney on September 27, 2008, 12:39:12 PM
Look I don't think anyone believes all the students are at it. However some people on here think it is acceptable behaviour because a few locals are dodgy. There are dodgy people everywhere.
People need to ask themselves how they would react if a few thousand travellers descended on their town or village in armagh, tyrone or wherever and behaved the same way a large proportion of the students in the Holylands behave. I'll tell you it wouldn't last too many nights before "the locals" were taking matters into their own hands. Why should the locals of the Holylands accept it if you or your family wouldn't accept it if the shoe was on the other foot?
Quite a decnet post there Tony. A herd of travellers have decided to land on my doorstep in recent weeks and they are up to no good.
QuoteStrange you didn't mention that in the first post.
Look I'm not having a go and I don't think all the students are tramps but you wouldn't sit on your wall at home talking on a saturday night and I'm sure you wouldn't let your mate run around wakening all the neighbours so why do it in Belfast?
Because I wanted to see if you would all jump to conclusions and assume that I was wrecking about and up to no good because I was sitting on my wall outside without any specific purpose and you lot sure did add 2+2 and get a big whopping 5
QuoteWhy should the locals of the Holylands accept it if you or your family wouldn't accept it if the shoe was on the other foot?
Jesus you ones are full of craic. I bet on a night out ye are the ones sitting quietly in the corner watching everything and then telling stories the next day.
Quote from: rolloutking on September 27, 2008, 07:10:06 PM
QuoteWhy should the locals of the Holylands accept it if you or your family wouldn't accept it if the shoe was on the other foot?
Jesus you ones are full of craic. I bet on a night out ye are the ones sitting quietly in the corner watching everything and then telling stories the next day.
Yes, you clearly know how to have a good time. Has third level education really been dumbed down this much?
No it hasn't
C'mon then tell us how you have a good time as your such the wise old man
QuoteWhy should the locals of the Holylands accept it if you or your family wouldn't accept it if the shoe was on the other foot?
Why don't you answer the question rolloutking?
There's nothing wrong with enjoying yourself at any time but a problem arises when your enjoyment causes others misery.
I live on a main street opposite one pub and beside another. Theres a taxi office beside one of the pubs and a chinesse which stays open til 3 round the corner. Its the central gathering point at the weekend
My parents do have to put up with it
Do that answer your question?
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 27, 2008, 07:23:25 PM
QuoteWhy should the locals of the Holylands accept it if you or your family wouldn't accept it if the shoe was on the other foot?
Why don't you answer the question rolloutking?
There's nothing wrong with enjoying yourself at any time but a problem arises when your enjoyment causes others misery.
Why's everyone picking on rolloutking? She said already she didnt make any noise.....F**k me lads can you all say in all honesty you have never made noise or been questioned by the police??
Quote from: rolloutking on September 27, 2008, 07:27:48 PM
I live on a main street opposite one pub and beside another. Theres a taxi office beside one of the pubs and a chinesse which stays open til 3 round the corner. Its the central gathering point at the weekend
My parents do have to put up with it
Do that answer your question?
I would have thought you'd be more considerate then.
Quote.F**k me lads can you all say in all honesty you have never made noise or been questioned by the police??
I might have made noise, but I don't make a habit of keeping the neighbours up every night.
QuoteWhy's everyone picking on rolloutking?
Because their just jealous that they never got to go to university or have been and are missing the good life ;D
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 27, 2008, 07:32:17 PM
Quote from: rolloutking on September 27, 2008, 07:27:48 PM
I live on a main street opposite one pub and beside another. Theres a taxi office beside one of the pubs and a chinesse which stays open til 3 round the corner. Its the central gathering point at the weekend
My parents do have to put up with it
Do that answer your question?
I would have thought you'd be more considerate then.
Quote.F**k me lads can you all say in all honesty you have never made noise or been questioned by the police??
I might have made noise, but I don't make a habit of keeping the neighbours up every night.
I try not to make noise myself but its not easy when ure drunk....even when ure in the house and try to be quiet it makes even more noise!!
Quote from: Maguire01 on September 27, 2008, 07:13:26 PM
Has third level education really been dumbed down this much?
Quote from: rolloutking on September 27, 2008, 07:20:59 PM
No it hasn't
C'mon then tell us how you have a good time as your such the wise old man
Quote from: rolloutking on September 27, 2008, 07:32:30 PM
Because their just jealous that they never got to go to university or have been and are missing the good life ;D
Really?
Quote from: rolloutking on September 27, 2008, 07:20:59 PM
C'mon then tell us how you have a good time as your such the wise old man
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on September 27, 2008, 07:28:26 PM
Why's everyone picking on rolloutking? She said already she didnt make any noise.....F**k me lads can you all say in all honesty you have never made noise or been questioned by the police??
In a word, No.
As for having a good time - if you want to make noise, do it in the pub or the club. Some people having a good time shouldn't mean others have to suffer. I had a great time going out when at University by the way (and still have on a night out). But there's nowhere else you'd get away with such behaviour.
Rolloutking admitted to having to tell his/her mate to shut up with the megaphone when
they wanted to go to sleep as well. It just illustrates a total lack of consideration for anyone else.
And your point being?
Did she or did she tell her mate to be quiet.....? Me thinks that she did.....Dont really care about why she was sitting on the wall........Irellevant!! doesnt matter who had the microphone,She didnt! ure not guilty of a crime for looking at some one....or are u? f**k me if i watch a murder on tv am i a accomplice??
Oh my neighbours dogs barking at the minute.....and he's looking out the window at it.......Arrest him!!
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on September 28, 2008, 10:22:56 AM
And your point being?
Did she or did she tell her mate to be quiet.....? Me thinks that she did.....Dont really care about why she was sitting on the wall........Irellevant!! doesnt matter who had the microphone,She didnt! ure not guilty of a crime for looking at some one....or are u? f**k me if i watch a murder on tv am i a accomplice??
My point being that the mate was only told to shut up when
she wanted to go to sleep. If
she was up for a party or a bit of 'craic', it wouldn't have mattered, and damn
anyone else who might have wanted some sleep. Was that not really obvious? Maybe that's the problem.
As for sitting on a wall or looking at someone... did i mention either of these things as being a problem?
I blame jordanstown students for this problem.
Why do they choose to live a few hundred metres from QUB and about 10miles from their own instituition?
If it was limited to queens students in the holylands the problems would be halved.
Although essentially you have to blame the landlords for allowing anyone into their houses, and cramming them in like sardines.
Quote from: Maguire01 on September 28, 2008, 10:28:01 AM
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on September 28, 2008, 10:22:56 AM
And your point being?
Did she or did she tell her mate to be quiet.....? Me thinks that she did.....Dont really care about why she was sitting on the wall........Irellevant!! doesnt matter who had the microphone,She didnt! ure not guilty of a crime for looking at some one....or are u? f**k me if i watch a murder on tv am i a accomplice??
My point being that the mate was only told to shut up when she wanted to go to sleep. If she was up for a party or a bit of 'craic', it wouldn't have mattered, and damn anyone else who might have wanted some sleep. Was that not really obvious? Maybe that's the problem.
As for sitting on a wall or looking at someone... did i mention either of these things as being a problem?
Maybe???
Dont know......I just tend to trust people....when she said she did nothing wrong...Who am I to argue...?
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on September 28, 2008, 10:38:53 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on September 28, 2008, 10:28:01 AM
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on September 28, 2008, 10:22:56 AM
And your point being?
Did she or did she tell her mate to be quiet.....? Me thinks that she did.....Dont really care about why she was sitting on the wall........Irellevant!! doesnt matter who had the microphone,She didnt! ure not guilty of a crime for looking at some one....or are u? f**k me if i watch a murder on tv am i a accomplice??
My point being that the mate was only told to shut up when she wanted to go to sleep. If she was up for a party or a bit of 'craic', it wouldn't have mattered, and damn anyone else who might have wanted some sleep. Was that not really obvious? Maybe that's the problem.
As for sitting on a wall or looking at someone... did i mention either of these things as being a problem?
Maybe???
Dont know......I just tend to trust people....when she said she did nothing wrong...Who am I to argue...?
You've lost me now. You've possibly lost yourself as well.
Just to be as clear as possible: I never had any issue with someone sitting on a wall, or someone looking at something or someone. I merely raised the point that someone only told their friend to shut up when
they had had enough of their antics.
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on September 28, 2008, 10:22:56 AM
And your point being?
Did she or did she tell her mate to be quiet.....? Me thinks that she did.....Dont really care about why she was sitting on the wall........Irellevant!! doesnt matter who had the microphone,She didnt! ure not guilty of a crime for looking at some one....or are u? f**k me if i watch a murder on tv am i a accomplice??
I don't know about being an accomplice but if you watch someone being killed without doing anything when you may have been able to it's not acceptable.
I've an issue with the sitting on the wall yacking at that time at night - there's no call forit when you can go and sit in the house!
Quote from: fred the red on September 28, 2008, 10:38:37 AM
I blame jordanstown students for this problem.
Why do they choose to live a few hundred metres from QUB and about 10miles from their own instituition?
If it was limited to queens students in the holylands the problems would be halved.
Although essentially you have to blame the landlords for allowing anyone into their houses, and cramming them in like sardines.
Probably because there isn't enough accommodation beside their own institution?
How do you suggest it can be imposed that only Queen's student's live in the Holylands?
No, the people to blame are the idiots (from both universities) who think they're being smart by acting the dick the first time they get away from home. No one else!
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 28, 2008, 11:15:28 AM
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on September 28, 2008, 10:22:56 AM
And your point being?
Did she or did she tell her mate to be quiet.....? Me thinks that she did.....Dont really care about why she was sitting on the wall........Irellevant!! doesnt matter who had the microphone,She didnt! ure not guilty of a crime for looking at some one....or are u? f**k me if i watch a murder on tv am i a accomplice??
I don't know about being an accomplice but if you watch someone being killed without doing anything when you may have been able to it's not acceptable.
I've an issue with the sitting on the wall yacking at that time at night - there's no call forit when you can go and sit in the house!
Why? If i wanna sit on the wall outside my house...whats the problem?? The only person i'd be harming is myself if i fall off it!!!
If you're sitting on a wall in silence I've no problem but if you're sitting yacking you're possibily disturbing other people and that's when the problem arises.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 28, 2008, 11:41:26 AM
If you're sitting on a wall in silence I've no problem but if you're sitting yacking you're possibily disturbing other people and that's when the problem arises.
Depends how hard your yacking then doesnt it! The only person who really knows is rolloutking!! And she probably hasn't had much sleep this week so probably wont be outta bed yet!
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on September 28, 2008, 11:54:57 AM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 28, 2008, 11:41:26 AM
If you're sitting on a wall in silence I've no problem but if you're sitting yacking you're possibily disturbing other people and that's when the problem arises.
Depends how hard your yacking then doesnt it! The only person who really knows is rolloutking!! And she probably hasn't had much sleep this week so probably wont be outta bed yet!
Yup.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 28, 2008, 11:57:56 AM
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on September 28, 2008, 11:54:57 AM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 28, 2008, 11:41:26 AM
If you're sitting on a wall in silence I've no problem but if you're sitting yacking you're possibily disturbing other people and that's when the problem arises.
Depends how hard your yacking then doesnt it! The only person who really knows is rolloutking!! And she probably hasn't had much sleep this week so probably wont be outta bed yet!
Yup.
Im going out here now for a few PINTS OF GUINNESS.......this hangover is killing me....Tc
Have to laugh at suggestions that those who think a portion of the students are to blame havent been to uni or havent lived in the srea. Id say people who have lived in the area are even more certain about what way some students go on.
Quote from: Maguire01 on September 27, 2008, 10:32:28 AM
Quote from: The Iceman on September 26, 2008, 02:12:54 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on September 25, 2008, 08:47:18 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on September 25, 2008, 08:42:50 PM
what point am I missing? You are trying to make people see this from the residents perspective
I disagree
What do you disagree with? The idea of seeing things from the other side?
I just wanted to make you take what you were saying about the residents and imagine if it was your parents blah blah blah and see it from the students side and imagine it was your parents blah blah blah
Very mature. Well done. Of course your perspective is the only valid one.
No my perspective is not the only valid one - but it is a perspective and i threw it in there to provoke some conversation, some debate and to show a different side.
I lived on Campus at Jordanstown and I lived in the Holy Lands in my university days. All students are tired of listening to this as I am sure a lot of the locals are tired of dealing with students.
Just because everyone else on the board doesn't write with perfect grammar and spelling Maguire doesn't mean you can talk down to them. And get over our last little disagreement and stop throwing your dummy out of the pram
Dont worry folks I'll be down next Monday to "Police" the area.... Normal Service shall be resumed!!!! :D ;)
Stop acting the candyman.
Quote from: The Iceman on September 29, 2008, 05:21:38 PM
No my perspective is not the only valid one - but it is a perspective and i threw it in there to provoke some conversation, some debate and to show a different side.
Yes, and your perspective is valid and welcome. But you 'blah blah blah'ed mine.
Quote from: The Iceman on September 29, 2008, 05:21:38 PM
I lived on Campus at Jordanstown and I lived in the Holy Lands in my university days. All students are tired of listening to this as I am sure a lot of the locals are tired of dealing with students.
Just because students are tired of listening to it doesn't mean it ceases to be an issue. The fact that it is discussed here and in the wider media is evidence that it is still an issue.
Quote from: The Iceman on September 29, 2008, 05:21:38 PM
Just because everyone else on the board doesn't write with perfect grammar and spelling Maguire doesn't mean you can talk down to them. And get over our last little disagreement and stop throwing your dummy out of the pram
When people stick their head above the parapet they can expect to be 'shot down'. I didn't correct rolloutking's spelling for the sake of it. He/She was making frankly ridiculous and immature comments which made me question the intelligence of someone who is supposed to be educated to a high standard. I pulled them up on it because it was relevant.
And i don't know what our last disagreement was - i was responding to your 'blah, blah, blah' post - did i upset you previously?
Quote from: Candyman on September 29, 2008, 05:26:14 PM
Dont worry folks I'll be down next Monday to "Police" the area.... Normal Service shall be resumed!!!! :D ;)
I would have thought you's would have been on a drinks ban for the final ;)
And where in that statement did I say different??
Do you have to drink whenever you enter the city limits or am I missing something... ;)
Quote from: Candyman on September 30, 2008, 09:24:07 AM
And where in that statement did I say different??
Do you have to drink whenever you enter the city limits or am I missing something... ;)
Dont be silly now, we both know what you meant
T.W.T ;)
Is it true the holylands is the area were the majority of paedophiles and sex offenders are relocated once they are released?
no wonder there is so many shady characters in the area.
QuoteIs it true the holylands is the area were the majority of paedophiles and sex offenders are relocated once they are released?
no wonder there is so many shady characters in the area.
One things for sure it's where the lowest of the low are relocated when run out of west belfast and the likes!
Quote from: fred the red on September 30, 2008, 09:32:46 AM
Is it true the holylands is the area were the majority of paedophiles and sex offenders are relocated once they are released?
no wonder there is so many shady characters in the area.
YES!! Cromwell Road.... >:(
Quote from: Maguire01 on September 29, 2008, 10:43:02 PM
Yes, and your perspective is valid and welcome. But you 'blah blah blah'ed mine.
I wasn't blah blah blahing your post - I was saving myself from having to regurgitate all the waffle that goes with both sides of the argument.
Quote from: Maguire01 on September 29, 2008, 10:43:02 PM
Just because students are tired of listening to it doesn't mean it ceases to be an issue. The fact that it is discussed here and in the wider media is evidence that it is still an issue.
I wasn't saying we shouldn't continue to talk about it - but its going nowhere - the conversation goes where it has gone for the past 10 years or more - students don't give a shit about the residents and the residents are justified in their complaints but have little options.
Quote from: Maguire01 on September 29, 2008, 10:43:02 PM
When people stick their head above the parapet they can expect to be 'shot down'.
Therein lies your problem Maguire. You are not on this world to "shoot" people down. Do you remember your mother telling you "if you have nothing nice to say then say nothing"? You should try it sometime - maybe more people will have time for you.
Only one solution for it-kill the residents and let the students run riot. Shit students like maguire should be moved up to stranmillis.
Simple.
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on September 30, 2008, 06:08:10 PM
Only one solution for it-kill the residents and let the students run riot. Shit students like maguire should be moved up to stranmillis.
Simple.
+1
Quote from: The Iceman on September 30, 2008, 02:13:45 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on September 29, 2008, 10:43:02 PM
When people stick their head above the parapet they can expect to be 'shot down'.
Therein lies your problem Maguire. You are not on this world to "shoot" people down. Do you remember your mother telling you "if you have nothing nice to say then say nothing"? You should try it sometime - maybe more people will have time for you.
You misunderstand. When i say 'shoot down', i mean that if you voice an opinion on a
discussion board and people do not agree with it, you can expect to be
challenged (i.e. 'shot down').
As for your opinion of me Iceman - well i don't know you, so I'm not going to worry too much over it. Are there other people who 'don't have time for me' - is there a list? I have no problem with people in the real world.
Maybe i don't always agree with the popular opinion, but that doesn't mean i can't express mine - and if disagreeing with someone else is not a 'nice thing to say', i don't see why that should preclude me, or anyone else, from the debate. This board would be dead a long time ago if differing opinions were not allowed.
I'll keep my 'arguments' measured and balanced
and within the rules of this board - I'll not throw any personal insults at anyone. But I'm not going to agree with the general opinion as a matter of course because you, or others, may have a different opinion. Nor should i (or anyone else) feel obliged to hold my tongue if my opinion isn't 'nice' (by someone else's definition).
If your problem with me
is personal, please feel free to PM me.
Quote from: Maguire01 on September 30, 2008, 06:21:14 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on September 30, 2008, 02:13:45 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on September 29, 2008, 10:43:02 PM
When people stick their head above the parapet they can expect to be 'shot down'.
Therein lies your problem Maguire. You are not on this world to "shoot" people down. Do you remember your mother telling you "if you have nothing nice to say then say nothing"? You should try it sometime - maybe more people will have time for you.
You misunderstand. When i say 'shoot down', i mean that if you voice an opinion on a discussion board and people do not agree with it, you can expect to be challenged (i.e. 'shot down').
As for your opinion of me Iceman - well i don't know you, so I'm not going to worry too much over it. Are there other people who 'don't have time for me' - is there a list? I have no problem with people in the real world.
Maybe i don't always agree with the popular opinion, but that doesn't mean i can't express mine - and if disagreeing with someone else is not a 'nice thing to say', i don't see why that should preclude me, or anyone else, from the debate. This board would be dead a long time ago if differing opinions were not allowed.
I'll keep my 'arguments' measured and balanced and within the rules of this board - I'll not throw any personal insults at anyone. But I'm not going to agree with the general opinion as a matter of course because you, or others, may have a different opinion. Nor should i (or anyone else) feel obliged to hold my tongue if my opinion isn't 'nice' (by someone else's definition).
If your problem with me is personal, please feel free to PM me.
jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesus
Quote from: Maguire01 on September 30, 2008, 06:21:14 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on September 30, 2008, 02:13:45 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on September 29, 2008, 10:43:02 PM
When people stick their head above the parapet they can expect to be 'shot down'.
Therein lies your problem Maguire. You are not on this world to "shoot" people down. Do you remember your mother telling you "if you have nothing nice to say then say nothing"? You should try it sometime - maybe more people will have time for you.
You misunderstand. When i say 'shoot down', i mean that if you voice an opinion on a discussion board and people do not agree with it, you can expect to be challenged (i.e. 'shot down').
As for your opinion of me Iceman - well i don't know you, so I'm not going to worry too much over it. Are there other people who 'don't have time for me' - is there a list? I have no problem with people in the real world.
Maybe i don't always agree with the popular opinion, but that doesn't mean i can't express mine - and if disagreeing with someone else is not a 'nice thing to say', i don't see why that should preclude me, or anyone else, from the debate. This board would be dead a long time ago if differing opinions were not allowed.
I'll keep my 'arguments' measured and balanced and within the rules of this board - I'll not throw any personal insults at anyone. But I'm not going to agree with the general opinion as a matter of course because you, or others, may have a different opinion. Nor should i (or anyone else) feel obliged to hold my tongue if my opinion isn't 'nice' (by someone else's definition).
If your problem with me is personal, please feel free to PM me.
I might read this post later before I go to bed, cheers maguire!
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on September 30, 2008, 06:08:10 PM
Only one solution for it-kill the residents and let the students run riot. Shit students like maguire should be moved up to stranmillis.
Simple.
I thought the point was that the students already run riot? :P
Anyway, whatever a 'shit' student might be, i actually lived in the Elms for first year and then on the Lisburn Road - but more because of the general standard of accommodation than anything else.
Quote from: Stalin on September 30, 2008, 06:22:12 PM
jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesus
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on September 30, 2008, 06:36:50 PM
I might read this post later before I go to bed, cheers maguire!
Yes, apologies for the long-winded reply - it was for Iceman's benefit and maybe could have been by PM, but i didn't want my 'shooting down' comment misrepresented.
I got kicked out of the Elms in first year for being too cool
8)
Are you boys (and I'm not talking about maguire) suppose to be the highly educated or is mammy and daddy and the tax payers paying for you to waste a couple years?
Maguire
QuoteIf your problem with me is personal, please feel free to PM me.
Same old problem on this board, people don't agree with you and haven't the sense or intelligence to counter your argument so they go personal. They haven't the maturity to accept that yous don't agree on a topic and leave it, they take it on to other threads (see fred the red on the hero thread).
I think I have already stated my points on the above topic - and I have nothing against anyone personally - well apart from Candyman he owes me about 10 pints.
I think Maguire (intentionally or not) comes across very condescending and belittles other posters with his long-winded replies and over-use of the English language.
I thought we left the lectures at University. I'm only on here for a bit of fun and you can disagree with people's opinions Maguire without trying to make the other person appear stupid and/or inferior to you.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 30, 2008, 07:57:31 PM
Are you boys (and I'm not talking about maguire) suppose to be the highly educated or is mammy and daddy and the tax payers paying for you to waste a couple years?
Maguire
QuoteIf your problem with me is personal, please feel free to PM me.
Same old problem on this board, people don't agree with you and haven't the sense or intelligence to counter your argument so they go personal. They haven't the maturity to accept that yous don't agree on a topic and leave it, they take it on to other threads (see fred the red on the hero thread).
What you on about?
if you have a problem with me please pm, dont be back stabbing me in other threads.
Quote from: The Iceman on September 30, 2008, 09:19:22 PM
I think I have already stated my points on the above topic - and I have nothing against anyone personally - well apart from Candyman he owes me about 10 pints.
I think Maguire (intentionally or not) comes across very condescending and belittles other posters with his long-winded replies and over-use of the English language.
I thought we left the lectures at University. I'm only on here for a bit of fun and you can disagree with people's opinions Maguire without trying to make the other person appear stupid and/or inferior to you.
I would gladly buy ye the 10 pints Iceman only we both know after about 3 you would be out for the count!!! :D
And the Candyman would be left to pick up the pieces... ;D
Where's everyone for tonight then lads? :D
Is Wednesday night not Bot night, it was in my day! :D
I was a Derry student, not a Belfast student.
Was up the odd night in Belfast visiting friends who were at University there. Don't know how anyone survives up there! :D
Quote from: wherefromreferee? on October 01, 2008, 12:05:23 PM
Is Wednesday night not Bot night, it was in my day! :D
And mine, i never missed it
Sunday- Hatfield
Monday- Union
Tuesday- Beach club/Karma
Wednesday- Bot
Thursday- Bot/Beach club
When do you study?
Sunday- Hatfield
Monday - Renshaws all day
Tuesday - Renshaws for a while then Hatfield
Wednesday - Bot
Thursday - Bot
Friday -Died
Saturday - Died
Sunday- Back at it
The was no Karma or Beach club in my days ;)
Quote from: ziggysego on October 01, 2008, 12:14:37 PM
When do you study?
You study the form in Ladbrokes for a while in between pints in the Hat!
Sunday- Arena
Monday - Renshaws all day union that nite
Tuesday - Renshaws or dukes
Wednesday - Bot
Thursday - hatfield
Friday - Died
Saturday - slept
Quote from: ziggysego on October 01, 2008, 12:14:37 PM
When do you study?
Study only really commences in the 2 weeks before exams when the Seamus heaney is filled to capacity with poly students using queens cards.
Sunday - Renshaws
Monday - Dukes
Tuesday - Hunters
Wednesday - Bot
Thursday - Laverys/M Club :o
Friday - Pink Pussy Cat in Cookstown
Saturday - Depression
And dont forget about finishing the night off with a temps, with Mr T rapping in the corner!
Is it true a certain member of this board was once carried INTO renshaws, or just an urban legend?
last week i had to go on the rip to get a good nites sleep in the holylands.
i have since invested in a pair of ear plugs and i must say they are the mission, great nites sleep last nite.
so to whom it may concern, you can party all night outside my house, i no longer give a f*ck!
The local council should buy a load of them for the local residents
Quote from: el Chino on October 01, 2008, 12:52:47 PM
last week i had to go on the rip to get a good nites sleep in the holylands.
i have since invested in a pair of ear plugs and i must say they are the mission, great nites sleep last nite.
so to whom it may concern, you can party all night outside my house, i no longer give a f*ck!
What's the Address?
Quote from: fred the red on October 01, 2008, 12:48:19 PM
And dont forget about finishing the night off with a temps, with Mr T rapping in the corner!
Is it true a certain member of this board was once carried INTO renshaws, or just an urban legend?
mr t what a legend!!used go temps never got a bite coz was worst but it was some craic!
that rumour is not a rumour!! :D
Orpheus on a Tuesday night was some spot for a couple of years then it died a death after we all stopped going haha
Jordanstown Union was a good spot in '99 and 2000 - kinda died a death after we left there too
coz i was still in belfast - we all stopped going to the orpheus and the union - nobody else was going there either
like dukes was good for a year in 2001 then everyone stopped going
Quote from: hardstation on October 01, 2008, 08:58:31 PM
My primary school got shite after I left. I was still in Belfast and a lot of people I know stopped going around the same time as me.
I wasn't implying that the Orpheus or Dukes or the Union stopped being good after we left. The crowds stopped going - crowds follow crowds that's how it works HS and there's no need to be such a sarcastic wind up merchant.
For some reason when I was at Jordanstown in '99/'00 everyone went to the Union. Tommy the bar manager would tell you himself that it was an exceptional couple of years and they haven't had the crowds since.
Orpheus was the place to go on a Tuesday night - then after '01/'02 people stopped going there. The same with Dukes. People walked past Renshaws in '02 and Dukes was always packed. The following year it was empty.
So what exactly is it about my post you feel the need to ridicule??
Quote from: hardstation on October 01, 2008, 08:58:31 PM
My primary school got shite after I left. I was still in Belfast and a lot of people I know stopped going around the same time as me.
Time of the month HS?
I think Orpheus even closed up for a while so what's with the catty arguments?
Youse are all very touchy. I think the station was probably implying the iceman was getting on like a p***k saying people stopped going to places cos him and his mates stopped going. Anyway there was hardly a sinner went to Orpheus after 98 unless it picked up again.
Renshaws was a shithole full of tractor driving munchies and the women were mingers.
Oi Tony, I enjoyed Renshaws anytime I was up in Belfast!!!
Quote from: ziggysego on October 02, 2008, 02:14:03 AM
Oi Tony, I enjoyed Renshaws anytime I was up in Belfast!!!
Massey or John Deere? ;D
Massey Ferguson
One of the problems with Orpheus around '99 was that the bouncers started getting a bit punch happy. We ended up in a few scrapes with them on different occassions, one of the boys ended up in hospital one night after it.
Renshaws was always good for a full day rip, then home for a carryout and land sideroads up to the Bot. Ah the good ol days :)
Quote from: el_cuervo_fc on October 02, 2008, 08:51:03 AM
One of the problems with Orpheus around '99 was that the bouncers started getting a bit punch happy. We ended up in a few scrapes with them on different occassions, one of the boys ended up in hospital one night after it.
Renshaws was always good for a full day rip, then home for a carryout and land sideroads up to the Bot. Ah the good ol days :)
Back to the house after a rip and thinking up excuses of why you cant go home for football training, Assignments used to be the best excuse!
Quote from: Onion Bag on October 02, 2008, 12:09:29 PM
Quote from: el_cuervo_fc on October 02, 2008, 08:51:03 AM
One of the problems with Orpheus around '99 was that the bouncers started getting a bit punch happy. We ended up in a few scrapes with them on different occassions, one of the boys ended up in hospital one night after it.
Renshaws was always good for a full day rip, then home for a carryout and land sideroads up to the Bot. Ah the good ol days :)
Back to the house after a rip and thinking up excuses of why you cant go home for football training, Assignments used to be the best excuse!
there was a bus strike on at one stage. We told the manager we'd do a session in the PEC instead of goin down the road. Straight to the offy we went. :D
Bad accidents on the motorway and the motorway was closed a couple times, god forgive us
A certain (EX) Harps player once said he missed the bus home because he was a little late and would have had to run a little to make the bus and there was no way he was doing that.... You can imagine the response he got!!! :D
Quote from: Onion Bag on October 02, 2008, 12:41:46 PM
Bad accidents on the motorway and the motorway was closed a couple times, god forgive us
I used that one as well. Exams was another good reason, 4 weeks off training and only available at weekends during that time. some great sessions had in that spell :D
late nite classes in jordanstown always clashed with training!
Quote from: charlie stubbs on October 01, 2008, 07:08:03 PM
Quote from: fred the red on October 01, 2008, 12:48:19 PM
And dont forget about finishing the night off with a temps, with Mr T rapping in the corner!
Is it true a certain member of this board was once carried INTO renshaws, or just an urban legend?
mr t what a legend!!used go temps never got a bite coz was worst but it was some craic!
that rumour is not a rumour!! :D
Carried in with one shoe on too!!!! Brian the bouncer did nt have a clue what was going on!!!!! :) :)
the best excuse i ever came across was when one of the fellas who was on the rip with us text his football manager (who was also his da) and told him he cudnt go home to train. i think what he sent was missing a word or two but it was along the lines of:
"I cant go to trainin tonight. I have a hamstring."
:D
Quote from: hardstation on October 01, 2008, 10:13:41 PM
Tony Baloney hit the nail on the head.
If you stopped going to a place, you can't really say that it got shite after that.
And yes, it's my time of the month.
I think I cleared up any notions that I was being a p***k about things.
Why can you not say a place got shite after you stopped going? Because if you are not there how do you know if it is shite or not?
Because other people said so, because on occasion we would drop in for nostalgia purposes and the place was dead, because anyone who went would tell you the same.
Get off your high horse HS - you took the same tone in the Armagh vrs Ulster thread too and if there is anyone being a p***k its you.
The excuse of the car breaking down weared a bit thin after 3 years, as did traffic jams going out of Belfast, or im getting eveicted out of the house and wont be able to make it
nothing worse than coming back up the road after training during the week and the boys all wrote off in the house
There should be a seperate thread about the craic in belfast and keep all the grumpy hoors out!
Pity the new batch will never experience the shaws like it should be...
:'(
I never went to Hunters on the Lisburn Rd - don't know too many Catholics who did - would be too wary of that place to enjoy a night.
Got into a bit of bother one night in this place called the Venue near Great Victoria - Saturday night heading to Mcdonalds after the Bot and heard the music went in and quickly found out it was a protestant paramilitary stronghold - we were not long leaving and then followed home - mad auld night
Had some good nights in the M Club - got thrown out a load of times and eventually barred from Laverys for fighting
I didn't really enjoy Queens Union until after University and I started heading there on Friday nights
The Bot was always some spot
The union used to be the spot for monday nights hands down... Then karma came along and was unreal the last two years, still get the itch the odd monday night for a big bottle of symonds or frosty jacks depending on the budget!
Never really got into the m club so didnt really like it... Queus were too long as well f**k that scrap.
f**k I would love to go back...
Bot tonight...
Quote from: The Iceman on October 02, 2008, 03:11:08 PM
I never went to Hunters on the Lisburn Rd - don't know too many Catholics who did - would be too wary of that place to enjoy a night.
Got into a bit of bother one night in this place called the Venue near Great Victoria - Saturday night heading to Mcdonalds after the Bot and heard the music went in and quickly found out it was a protestant paramilitary stronghold - we were not long leaving and then followed home - mad auld night
Had some good nights in the M Club - got thrown out a load of times and eventually barred from Laverys for fighting
I didn't really enjoy Queens Union until after University and I started heading there on Friday nights
The Bot was always some spot
Sure it was staffed by half of South Derry! Never had a problem in it
Would never have drank on the lisburn road myself... It was mainly for eating out, Vaughans was a good spot...
Where abouts is this scrath place?? Might have to frequent it monday nite with a few Clients.... ;)
The main pub is called Deez. The night club wasn't open when I was finishing up last year. They have loads of drinks promotions during champions league matches but there never seemed to be many in it.
Scratch is the new name for the Fly. It's taken over from the Karma as it's closed for renovations. £2 a drink. 3 floors of music. Amazing sound system. Deadly beats all night. Plenty of freshers ;)
Good stuff... Might bring me aul mate Joey the Lips up with me and the Grim-Reaper!!!
If they are allowed of course... :D
I havent been myself but I heard Scratch is crap, couldnt hold a candle to karma, not surprising, I loved karma...
Quote from: The Iceman on October 02, 2008, 03:11:08 PM
I never went to Hunters on the Lisburn Rd - don't know too many Catholics who did - would be too wary of that place to enjoy a night.
Got into a bit of bother one night in this place called the Venue near Great Victoria - Saturday night heading to Mcdonalds after the Bot and heard the music went in and quickly found out it was a protestant paramilitary stronghold - we were not long leaving and then followed home - mad auld night
Had some good nights in the M Club - got thrown out a load of times and eventually barred from Laverys for fighting
I didn't really enjoy Queens Union until after University and I started heading there on Friday nights
The Bot was always some spot
Somehow ended up in the venue one night myself. Scary spot, wasn't aware it had any paramilitary links.
no matter what it was (and probably still is) hard to beat the bot.
downstairs on a wed, upstairs on a thurs. what a place! dont think il get back in the near future :(
nail, there mustn't be too many big players left now for the rip?? used to be all it took was a "send to many" msg and the shaws was stuffed!
Not too many Limelight fans here, really took off during my time. Only place I miss going to.
nah i liked to stick to a triangle of safety. hat, bot, shaws. anywhere within that triangle u knew wot u were gettin. i havent much time for this dance crap. a good voice and a guitar, throw in the odd banko or fiddle and what more could u want!
think im gettin depressed talkin about this.
Quote from: ExiledGael on October 02, 2008, 05:46:40 PM
Not too many Limelight fans here, really took off during my time. Only place I miss going to.
Limelight usually got the "other" crowd and I don't mean the prods lol
QuoteI havent been myself but I heard Scratch is crap, couldnt hold a candle to karma, not surprising, I loved karma...
Have to say I never liked karma. Didn't think it was near as good as the Union on Monday nights or even the Parlour. Tend to just stick to the bot these days or head downtown.
The Venue was an absolute grip as was The Crescent. The young uns on here won't have had the pleasure as it was demolished a few years back to build apartments. The old Fly circa 1996 was some spot. Ruined it when they refurbished it.
Used to be some craic getting into the old Bot too. One of the older lads used to go in and open the side door for us and everyone piled up the stairs. I feel old thinking about it as the old Bot was probably done up about 96 too! The Limelight was hit and miss. Was good craic on a Tuesday for a lot of cheap drink and a bit of wrecking on the dance floor to House of Pain or stuff like that!
Quote from: The Iceman on October 02, 2008, 05:56:46 PM
Quote from: ExiledGael on October 02, 2008, 05:46:40 PM
Not too many Limelight fans here, really took off during my time. Only place I miss going to.
Limelight usually got the "other" crowd and I don't mean the prods lol
Yes, i was the 'other crowd' then. Limelight was a great spot if you were into your music. Laid back place and never any trouble back in the day.
Aye but sure you weren't kerazy like these other fellas unless you fulfilled your stereotype and went to Renshaws. Mad men ::)
Limelight was a good ould spot and wil cheap vodka but always only went 3/4 Tuesdays a year when I was there, usually just ventured to the hatfield that night the last couple of years I was there anyway. Union the first few years on a Monday was hard to beat and karma never let you down either when it started. Bot wed and thurs night of course with the exception being the odd venture down the Odyssey. Was never a big fan of shaws at night but excellent spot for day rips.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 02, 2008, 07:23:28 PM
Aye but sure you weren't kerazy like these other fellas unless you fulfilled your stereotype and went to Renshaws. Mad men ::)
I've was perfectly happy avoiding the Bot, Renshaws, Orpheus, M Club and such places! The Limelight and the Union any day.
My Fresher routine was
Sunday - Eg for the pub quiz or else the Union for pints
Monday - Union
Tuesday - Limelight or Crescent
Wednesday - The Bot or The Fly
Thursday - Union
Friday - afternoon pints in the Speakeasy before getting the bus home.
Options were limited back then! What/where is Karma?
Dukes and Renshaws are closed-wtf?
I mind the days when r'shaws opened upstairs and there was a bar that just did shots- it was usualy filled with ranchers.
Off your face as we used to affectionately refer to it was a cattle mart.
Then there was the bot-where you usually went for the breaking ball..
Those were the days-going out 5 nites in a row and the only thing that stopped you drinking was if your loan hadnt cleared.
Bob Dylan wrote, the times they are a changing.
Our Nail? Whats the craic, this thread brings a tera to my eye sometimes.
Ah the best days of our life are behind us and in no way is that depressing.
Quote from: maggie on October 02, 2008, 09:35:02 PM
Dukes and Renshaws are closed-wtf?
I mind the days when r'shaws opened upstairs and there was a bar that just did shots- it was usualy filled with ranchers.
Off your face as we used to affectionately refer to it was a cattle mart.
Then there was the bot-where you usually went for the breaking ball..
Those were the days-going out 5 nites in a row and the only thing that stopped you drinking was if your loan hadnt cleared.
shaws gone
dukes gone
karma gone
all these redevlopments!! just started back in 2nd year! scratch seems to be the spot to go this year......hat bunged 24/7! bottle of bow 8quid in their offie!!lol
just thinkin about this make me wish i had of stayed up tonight!!lol
Bik in the Hat sunday......cant wait!
This is some tune!
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=dOdevNC0Lec
I see the Bot are going to £2 a pint from 3pm to 7pm in an attempt to snare the daytime drinkers.
Not a bad idea it's never really been very busy during the day on weekdays. They'd need to keep folk there after 7 though to make it worth their while.
Quote from: Rav67 on October 11, 2008, 02:57:19 PM
This is some tune!
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=dOdevNC0Lec
Is this Mickey coleman of ardboe and tyrone fame?
thats him!!
ragin karma was closed!
general week for most people would be mon - scratch, tues - mclub/l'lite, wed - bot, thurs bot/box.
and of course as armagh leg-end said the hat is now bunged all day most days!
See the cops where sitting outside the Hat on Thursday waiting to pounce on anyone with a carryout and giving them a caution if they had one.
Nice to see they are keeping the streets free of joyriders, robbers and murderers.
Also see the Hat has gone to £3 a pint.....looks like its a carryout on Sunday night then
Quote from: rolloutking on October 11, 2008, 11:08:30 PM
See the cops where sitting outside the Hat on Thursday waiting to pounce on anyone with a carryout and giving them a caution if they had one.
Nice to see they are keeping the streets free of joyriders, robbers and murderers.
Also see the Hat has gone to £3 a pint.....looks like its a carryout on Sunday night then
Many murderers about this weather on Ormeau Rd?
Yea
In Penrose Street
You might have seen the court trial on the news
Quote from: rolloutking on October 11, 2008, 11:13:03 PM
Yea
In Penrose Street
You might have seen the court trial on the news
It must be assumed if this person was charged with murder that the police have indeed kept a murderer off the streets. No? Provided they have sufficient, untarnished evidence.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 12, 2008, 11:14:01 AM
Quote from: rolloutking on October 11, 2008, 11:13:03 PM
Yea
In Penrose Street
You might have seen the court trial on the news
It must be assumed if this person was charged with murder that the police have indeed kept a murderer off the streets. No? Provided they have sufficient, untarnished evidence.
THe PSNI-good one ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on October 11, 2008, 03:06:09 PM
I see the Bot are going to £2 a pint from 3pm to 7pm in an attempt to snare the daytime drinkers.
A proper daytime drinker would be half cut by 3pm... Get the finger out bot, half eleven?
I miss super sundays :'( :'( :'(
yeh but most of the diehards wake up in their/someone elses house at about 11 and have a nice bottle of bucky sittin beside the bed/sofa for them to drink/finish before they head down to the pub!! :D
Quote from: supersub on October 12, 2008, 05:16:56 PM
yeh but most of the diehards wake up in their/someone elses house at about 11 and have a nice bottle of bucky sittin beside the bed/sofa for them to drink/finish before they head down to the pub!! :D
Too true, especially now with the credit crunch, students just being prudent. Fair play to them.
Quote from: hardstation on October 12, 2008, 08:33:53 PM
Quote from: supersub on October 11, 2008, 06:11:05 PM
ragin karma was closed!
general week for most people would be mon - scratch, tues - mclub/l'lite, wed - bot, thurs bot/box.
and of course as armagh leg-end said the hat is now bunged all day most days!
Any student that goes to Scratch or the Box needs one hell of a f**king kicking.
gonna be a lot of kicking goin on then, always packed. did those spots do something to u?
Where the hell are scratch and the box?!
scratch is on lower cresent, just off botanic, newly refurbished this year. and the box is in the odyssey!
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 13, 2008, 12:02:40 AM
Where the hell are scratch and the box?!
Scratch used to be the Fly
Student living in Belfast
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/gregjames/2008/10/through_the_student_keyhole_da_2.html (http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/gregjames/2008/10/through_the_student_keyhole_da_2.html)
lol whats up with that Gwen Stefani shrine?
Them girls must be Prodestants, not a gaa jersey in site. Must be lesbians too, with the Kremlin lighter and the dyke hairstyles
Quote from: Stalin on October 18, 2008, 05:27:07 PM
Them girls must be Prodestants, not a gaa jersey in site. Must be lesbians too, with the Kremlin lighter and the dyke hairstyles
The fact that he met them in the Kremlin the night before might be an indicator of their preferences. Just call me Sherlock Holmes. However the fact that they look like men may possibly indicate that they are ladies footballers despite the lack of gaa jerseys!
Definitely minge munchers. The size of that girl in the black tshirt. Holy god
They don't look like holylands students
Thats probably Stranmillis or Lisburn Road
I see a girl was raped in university ave there during the week... not in a million years would i walk home round the holylands at them hours!! girls just arent safe!! dirty oul sleazy men!! yuk!!!
as for them men/women/beasts wi the gwen stefani shrine.. definitely not holylands students, u would definitely see them knockin about the spar/wineflair!!
jeez, they were the best belfast had to offer!!
thats cuz everyone else was in the hatfield :D
Two rapes within a week of each other :( sad state of affairs. Holyand is great craic but young females really need to be vigilant
Quote from: achadh gallain on October 19, 2008, 12:48:12 AM
girls just arent safe!! dirty oul sleazy men!! yuk!!!
It was a guy in his early 20's did the last one.
Too many girls think itll never happen to them, and unfortunatley it does to some of them.
Strange - it now appears that no rape took place on Tuesay ???
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7683805.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7683805.stm)
In other news "Belfast District Policing Partnership Chairman, Councillor Christopher Stalford"
God help us all.
Quote from: nifan on October 22, 2008, 04:59:13 PM
In other news "Belfast District Policing Partnership Chairman, Councillor Christopher Stalford"
God help us all.
::)
I don't know if I'd allow Tory boy to stack the chairs, never mind chair a meeting of any description
Quote from: tyrone86 on October 22, 2008, 05:01:13 PM
Quote from: nifan on October 22, 2008, 04:59:13 PM
In other news "Belfast District Policing Partnership Chairman, Councillor Christopher Stalford"
God help us all.
::)
I don't know if I'd allow Tory boy to stack the chairs, never mind chair a meeting of any description
Is that eejit still doing the rounds? Is Cahoon still about as well?
I see our friends from the bogs are at it again. The police should send in raiding parties and knock the dung out of these f**kers.
Whats happening?
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 17, 2009, 06:07:28 PM
I see our friends from the bogs are at it again. The police should send in raiding parties and knock the dung out of these f**kers.
Typical. Culchies who cant handle their drink in the Big Smoke.
Quote from: Puckoon on March 17, 2009, 06:11:22 PM
Whats happening?
Students rioting. One female arrested.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 17, 2009, 06:07:28 PM
I see our friends from the bogs are at it again. The police should send in raiding parties and knock the dung out of these f**kers.
I concur.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7949145.stm
Can't get the video to work at the minute. Nice to see there's a GAA top prominant. ::)
Wonderful scenes on BBC.
What a bunch of wankers.
Quote from: Puckoon on March 17, 2009, 06:15:19 PM
Wonderful scenes on BBC.
What a bunch of w**kers.
BBC or the students?
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45576000/jpg/_45576283_riot.jpg)
Police should get in and kick some sense into them. When they get home, so should their family. Disgraceful behaviour! Not something the St. Patrick's Day celebrations should be associated with. >:(
Just watched it on the news - disgraceful and embarrassing. The papers should cover their front pages in mugshots tomorrow, so that Mammy and Daddy back home can see exactly what their children are at.
dirty wee scumbags, they should be expelled... great celebrations of St Patrick's day, you should all be ashamed of yourselves, I wonder what mummy and daddy will say to see their we children who can do no wrong rioting in Belfast
Surely they realise they're being caught on camera,half them will be killed when they land home for the weekend. From the footage I've seen most of them are just standing around though and not doing a lot. One resident said the police were heavy handed. Why did the riot police move into the area in the 1st place? Had there been trouble? At what point was the car with the Dublin reg burned out?
Maybe if charges are pressed they'll start to wise up. The papers should have a rogues gallery tomorrow to see exactly what is going on.
To think these idiots are educated.
Quote from: TheDoc on March 17, 2009, 06:45:03 PM
To think these idiots are educated.
and our future FFS
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on March 17, 2009, 06:42:47 PM
Surely they realise they're being caught on camera,half them will be killed when they land home for the weekend.
I'm sure they're all hammered and couldn't care less about the cameras. That might change tomorrow.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 17, 2009, 06:44:13 PM
Maybe if charges are pressed they'll start to wise up. The papers should have a rogues gallery tomorrow to see exactly what is going on.
Hopefully charged and kicked out of Queen's or UU.
silly silly waines, we live on the edge of the hollylands, and all came home today cos the place is a nightmare on Paddys day. but people are forgetting bout all the spides from ormeau road- plenty off them, hard to see them not getting involved. but no excuss for them stupid bollocks, makes everyone look like real tits.
Without condoning the behaviour it should be noted that there is a sizeable non-student contingent present every St Paddy's day in the holylands. Glad I didn't go down today as I had planned on doing, the house I would have been at was on tv. Here's hoping the main perpetrators get hefty fines and are expelled.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on March 17, 2009, 06:42:47 PM
Surely they realise they're being caught on camera,half them will be killed when they land home for the weekend. From the footage I've seen most of them are just standing around though and not doing a lot. One resident said the police were heavy handed. Why did the riot police move into the area in the 1st place? Had there been trouble? At what point was the car with the Dublin reg burned out?
I wondered when this one would be rolled out.
Let's not divert the blame to residents or local spides. It's clear that this was students (or their mates).
Just seen that southern registered car getting towed away. Peelers are just standing around laughing at them - along with the Lower Ormeau residents it must be said. Should run a few baton charges down that street.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 17, 2009, 06:48:20 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on March 17, 2009, 06:42:47 PM
Surely they realise they're being caught on camera,half them will be killed when they land home for the weekend. From the footage I've seen most of them are just standing around though and not doing a lot. One resident said the police were heavy handed. Why did the riot police move into the area in the 1st place? Had there been trouble? At what point was the car with the Dublin reg burned out?
I wondered when this one would be rolled out.
Sure did you not know, it's all down to the Brits.
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on March 17, 2009, 06:59:07 PM
Don't think any of the ones in the photos will worry too much about facing their parents as their mammies and daddies are always the first ones defending their offspring - "Sheez a wee angel, she would nat do nuthin'!"
That's rubbish. Most of the parents say that because they genuinely believe that their children would not be in the middle of it all - call it naivety. Realising what they are up to might just be a reality check.
Excuse my ignorance but whats a spide? ??? ??? ???
Create your own Gaffer:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/no31online/spidegenerator.htm (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/no31online/spidegenerator.htm)
Glad I didnt head down to Belfast now myself, I prob would have went round for a nosey and ended up on the news, then got an awful bollocking from my da!!
Silly f**kers though all the same, I am guessing there are plenty of cameras about and they are only doing themselves harm.
Wouldn't take the universities to get the tapes and start identifying people on them... Should though, I got in plenty of shit when I was at uni for lesser misdemeanours.
1 female arrested.classy.lol
i stayed in bel lastnight to go out. as soon as went park my car on jersusalem street, saw 2 pricks out playimng hurling.seemed inocuous enough at the time but it was obv i was looking to park my car there looked at me as if to say "who you think you are asking us move" parked there anyway they moved 2 feet and played behind my car so ended up moving onto rugby av
was there most of 2 day. crazy is wat it can be described as. people having a singsong and a bit of craic is ok but some stuff i saw was a joke. saw 1 got getting arrested. jumped into the back of a pickup and started f**king bottles about??idiot.
was a bit worse4 wear so decided not gamble driving home to later enjoy bit craic and take in the cross/mccrory game. there was rugby balls and footballsout on the street being kicked across. people showing no regard 4 the cars parked. decided move my car to adjacent the spar right beside carmel st.
got reports of serious misbeaviour so few of the boys went up to have a nosey. i heard that there was union jackets put on fire and when i reached carmel st true enough there was a fire in the middle of the road. wankers where throwing bottles narrowly missing people and hitting a few cars.
2 idiots thought that they would try and dismantle a psni landrover trying pull wingmirrors off 1 boy jumped up on the landrover and headbutted window splitting self in process.brainiac!the lad i think was caught later. stupid c***ts doing this to landrovers with cameras on top of them.
heard then of people throwing beer cans in cops faces joke. was delighted my own car was in one piece.
agree that students where there but a number of workers would have been down 4 the day. hard determine who was doing what but no doubt guilty culprits on both. i imagine any student arrested today will be made example of and expelled from respective uni. i expect the trouble to continue during night. feel sorry 4 cops. on going to get my car i walked past 1 boy who asked"what the f**k you looking at?"
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on March 17, 2009, 07:29:31 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on March 17, 2009, 07:27:23 PM
Excuse my ignorance but whats a spide? ??? ??? ???
Belfast version of a Skanger, Ned or Chav.
http://fastfude.org/topic.php?id=24761&start=60 (http://fastfude.org/topic.php?id=24761&start=60)
Quote from: Maguire01 on March 17, 2009, 07:00:37 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 17, 2009, 06:48:20 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on March 17, 2009, 06:42:47 PM
Surely they realise they're being caught on camera,half them will be killed when they land home for the weekend. From the footage I've seen most of them are just standing around though and not doing a lot. One resident said the police were heavy handed. Why did the riot police move into the area in the 1st place? Had there been trouble? At what point was the car with the Dublin reg burned out?
I wondered when this one would be rolled out.
Sure did you not know, it's all down to the Brits.
I took from what they said that the quote came from a non student resident which suprised me. Could have picked it up wrong.
Do the universities actually atke any action or do they just talk about it for appearances sake to the media? There are some gypsies in the Holylands by the looks of it. Its good to see our learning institutions are swelled by so many fine young men...........Who said any arsehole can get into a university these days???
Quote from: Minder on March 17, 2009, 08:55:24 PM
Do the universities actually atke any action or do they just talk about it for appearances sake to the media? There are some gypsies in the Holylands by the looks of it. Its good to see our learning institutions are swelled by so many fine young men...........Who said any arsehole can get into a university these days???
No they often try to take action and on many occasions go to far, attempting to suspend students on unsubstantiated reports by single residents for example, I have represented a number of students over the last few years who didnt deserve to be called up by the universities and a few who did. Im all for suspensions for those responsible for bringing the universities into disrepute but some form of due process has to take place.
The best punishment is a conviction for criminal damage etc. Will look lovely for any would be solicitor, accountant or doctor.
Saw a Black white and orange flag.... in Carmel St.. is that CIRA?
Quote from: ziggysego on March 17, 2009, 06:35:33 PM
Police should get in and kick some sense into them. When they get home, so should their family. Disgraceful behaviour! Not something the St. Patrick's Day celebrations should be associated with. >:(
>:(
I dont know how anyone in this country could condone this sort of action from the police.
1. Install CCTV in that area.
2. Go through it with a fine tooth comb after such incidents.
3. Anyone caught commiting any offence should be fined and suspended from Uni with a guaranteed bad reference
THAT 'LL SORT THR FU@@@@S OUT !!
19 arrests and more to follow when the cameras are examined. This carry on every year has to be stopped.
Thought something like thsi might happen. Was through Agincourt Avenue at about half 1 yesterday dropping something off at my sister's house and the place was madness - far worse than I'd seen it before and that was early in the afternoon. Now obviously students are the major factor int he rpoblem but one issue on St Patrick's Day is always the amount of ones that come up for the day from home and really don't give a damn about anything (including often their mate's house that they're staying in).
As David pointed out, the problem with the Universities is that after instances like this, they'll hammer whoever they can just to be seen to be doing something, no matter how trival some of the incidents reported are. The people involved in any violence yesterday should definetely be punished though.
The holylands was an even bigger tip than usual this morning. The rubbish - glasses left on the street etc is shocking, even though some attempt at cleanup has been made.
Saw a few wingmirrorless cars.
Not surprising - i lost plenty when i lived there
its a tip this morning, went up it this morning at about 07:15 and there were a few twats running about with tins of beer and draped in a tri-colour still pissed by the looks of things.
wonder will any of them be waking up shortly and thinking what did I do yesterday, and having flashbacks, or will them not give a f**k and look at it as normal behaviour?
Quote from: Square Ball on March 18, 2009, 12:17:52 PM
its a tip this morning, went up it this morning at about 07:15
On your way home from a party SB?
Quote from: stiffler on March 17, 2009, 09:59:04 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on March 17, 2009, 06:35:33 PM
Police should get in and kick some sense into them. When they get home, so should their family. Disgraceful behaviour! Not something the St. Patrick's Day celebrations should be associated with. >:(
>:(
I dont know how anyone in this country could condone this sort of action from the police.
what should be done about a bunch of pissheads then? causing this shit every year?
it'd knock a bit of sense into them ( although i'd doubt it)
Despite a previous post about heavy-handed policing I couldn't help thinking that police would have been a lot tougher if these were working class teenagers in West or East Belfast.
The Cops have a tough job here because if they did wade in (which they should have done) there would be a load of people on complaining about police brutality etc.
Symptomatic of the way society is going nowadays, younger people have less and less respect for authority. We need to see real action from Queens & UU this time though, suspensions or warnings will not cut it, if a few got chucked out it might send a warning to them.
Absoultely mental !!
Quote from: Square Ball on March 18, 2009, 12:17:52 PM
wonder will any of them be waking up shortly and thinking what did I do yesterday, and having flashbacks, or will them not give a f**k and look at it as normal behaviour?
Just through it again there at lunchtime.
Them boys are waking up and are on the booze again by the looks of it.The sun seems to be giving them a second wind already.
I saw a few of them public order wardens dandering around - dont fancy their chances.
Quote from: Doogie Browser on March 18, 2009, 01:16:23 PM
The Cops have a tough job here because if they did wade in (which they should have done) there would be a load of people on complaining about police brutality etc.
Symptomatic of the way society is going nowadays, younger people have less and less respect for authority. We need to see real action from Queens & UU this time though, suspensions or warnings will not cut it, if a few got chucked out it might send a warning to them.
The unis will expel no-one. They are running scared of legal challenges to the expulsions. They pay lip service to disciplinary action. Load of auld bollox and we'll be having the same conversation next year.
saw a bit of it on TV yesterday - disgusting behaviour.
The Irish soccer jerseys, the Irish rugby jjerseys, the GAA county tops/tracksuits, the Irish flag - all defiled by a bunch of idiot drunken kids who need strict lesson in discipline.
That said, the whole St Patricks day drink thing is beyond a joke and has been for a long time now - north and south of the border.
Dublin is horrendous. Cop friends of mine are telling me the stories of the past couple of nights work they have had to go through with.
While not as high profile as the holylands, its the same craic on lesser scale all around dublin.
Disgusting.
FFS lads, its Paddy's Day
Cut them a bit of slack..................
The video (as we don;t know what happened the car) shows them doing nothing wrong. The crowds gather every st patrick's day, but they don;t seem to be doing anything. Very heavy police prescence in the area on Monday night.
But it is when we hear Charlie's story that we understand what tools they are. Forget expelling them, the majority are only up for the day.
Quote from: nifan on March 18, 2009, 01:21:13 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on March 18, 2009, 12:17:52 PM
wonder will any of them be waking up shortly and thinking what did I do yesterday, and having flashbacks, or will them not give a f**k and look at it as normal behaviour?
Just through it again there at lunchtime.
Them boys are waking up and are on the booze again by the looks of it.The sun seems to be giving them a second wind already.
I saw a few of them public order wardens dandering around - dont fancy their chances.
Ahhhh.......those were the days.....getting up and having nothing to do but crack open another beer...
Why dont the few residents left in the holylands just move out on 16th and back in in the 18th? Leave the brothers and sisters to enjoy the day without annoying anyone!
Quote from: StGallsGAA on March 18, 2009, 01:53:00 PM
Why dont the few residents left in the holylands junt move out on 16th and back in in the 18th? Leave the brothers and sisters to enjoy the day without annoying anyone!
Good solution for the lower Ormeau area generally on other days too?
See a mate of mine in irish news 2day!! God help him when he gets home 2day :P:D
Quote from: full back on March 18, 2009, 01:34:51 PM
FFS lads, its Paddy's Day
Cut them a bit of slack..................
Why?
who burnt the southern car & why? not the usual student drinking antic.....
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 18, 2009, 02:26:12 PM
Quote from: full back on March 18, 2009, 01:34:51 PM
FFS lads, its Paddy's Day
Cut them a bit of slack..................
Why?
Lets just wait & see how many students are convicted before going on a witch-hunt
You wouldn't be a student by any chance would you, FB? ::)
Quote from: full back on March 18, 2009, 02:39:50 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 18, 2009, 02:26:12 PM
Quote from: full back on March 18, 2009, 01:34:51 PM
FFS lads, its Paddy's Day
Cut them a bit of slack..................
Why?
Lets just wait & see how many students are convicted before going on a witch-hunt
Agree with FB, the students may have been there, but as far as i know they wern't the main culprits, at least not the throwing anyway, and it wasnt the students kicking off about 15 wingmirrors in a row down one side of the street later that night.
Too many boys too quick to condone on here without knowing anything about what happened.
I would say very little students were invovled too heavily.
Quote from: mrsandman on March 18, 2009, 02:50:27 PM
Quote from: full back on March 18, 2009, 02:39:50 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 18, 2009, 02:26:12 PM
Quote from: full back on March 18, 2009, 01:34:51 PM
FFS lads, its Paddy's Day
Cut them a bit of slack..................
Why?
Lets just wait & see how many students are convicted before going on a witch-hunt
Agree with FB, the students may have been there, but as far as i know they wern't the main culprits, at least not the throwing anyway, and it wasnt the students kicking off about 15 wingmirrors in a row down one side of the street later that night.
Too many boys too quick to condone on here without knowing anything about what happened.
I would say very little students were invovled too heavily.
This is a well known student tactic in the holylands though, apparently it is great craic.
Was talking to a mate on who lives on Carmel, said that everyone was out on the front porches with their sofas out, drinking obv and singing etc. Everytime the police patrol went past everyone went quiet, then they'd start singing again. For some reason the police brought in the riot squad, was also told the damage caused to the car wasn't until after the police came. The police said prior to yesterday they were going to clamp down on the anti-social element and rightfully so, but I can't help feeling they were a bit ott with the riot gear. A fella threw an empty beer box at a cop and got arrested - just saw his name on bbc ni news for riotous behaviour and assault of police officer ??? The sooner CCTV is installed the better, can't for the world of me think that an area containing the two most crime-riddled streets in the north hasn't got basic surveillance.
Quote from: mrsandman on March 18, 2009, 02:50:27 PMAgree with FB, the students may have been there, but as far as i know they wern't the main culprits, at least not the throwing anyway, and it wasnt the students kicking off about 15 wingmirrors in a row down one side of the street later that night.
Too many boys too quick to condone on here without knowing anything about what happened.
I would say very little students were invovled too heavily.
(http://www.khanya.co.za/blogs/images/head_in_sand.jpg)
Students in court after trouble
Four students have appeared in court over disturbances in the Holyland area of south Belfast on St Patrick's Day.
Accused of riotous behaviour were Alan McCrory, 21, Charlestown Rd, Craigavon, Augustine Francis McAleer, 19, Loughmacrory Pk, Omagh, and Gary Martin Keenan, 20, Carrickbawn Pk, Rostrevor.
Mr McAleer and McCrory along with Enda Ward, 26, Loughmacrory Pk, Omagh, were also charged with assaulting police.
A fifth man is due to appear on Wednesday afternoon.
Each of the accused appeared separately in the dock at Belfast Magistrates Court to hear the charges put to them.
All were released on their own bail of £500 and will appear in court again on 1 April.
BBC NI
Quote from: fitzroyalty on March 18, 2009, 02:57:14 PM
Was talking to a mate on who lives on Carmel, said that everyone was out on the front porches with their sofas out, drinking obv and singing etc. Everytime the police patrol went past everyone went quiet, then they'd start singing again. For some reason the police brought in the riot squad, was also told the damage caused to the car wasn't until after the police came. The police said prior to yesterday they were going to clamp down on the anti-social element and rightfully so, but I can't help feeling they were a bit ott with the riot gear. A fella threw an empty beer box at a cop and got arrested - just saw his name on bbc ni news for riotous behaviour and assault of police officer ??? The sooner CCTV is installed the better, can't for the world of me think that an area containing the two most crime-riddled streets in the north hasn't got basic surveillance.
So the riot squad were called in because they were singing too loud?
Quote from: Lecale2 on March 18, 2009, 02:58:05 PM
Students in court after trouble
Four students have appeared in court over disturbances in the Holyland area of south Belfast on St Patrick's Day.
Accused of riotous behaviour were Alan McCrory, 21, Charlestown Rd, Craigavon, Augustine Francis McAleer, 19, Loughmacrory Pk, Omagh, and Gary Martin Keenan, 20, Carrickbawn Pk, Rostrevor.
Mr McAleer and McCrory along with Enda Ward, 26, Loughmacrory Pk, Omagh, were also charged with assaulting police.
A fifth man is due to appear on Wednesday afternoon.
Each of the accused appeared separately in the dock at Belfast Magistrates Court to hear the charges put to them.
All were released on their own bail of £500 and will appear in court again on 1 April.
BBC NI
I'll bet that was some hangover those boys woke up to :D :D :D :D
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 18, 2009, 02:57:41 PM
Quote from: mrsandman on March 18, 2009, 02:50:27 PMAgree with FB, the students may have been there, but as far as i know they wern't the main culprits, at least not the throwing anyway, and it wasnt the students kicking off about 15 wingmirrors in a row down one side of the street later that night.
Too many boys too quick to condone on here without knowing anything about what happened.
I would say very little students were invovled too heavily.
(http://www.khanya.co.za/blogs/images/head_in_sand.jpg)
Gabriel Hurl you havn't got a clue...
or maybe your a resident in disguise??
I've plenty of a clue - I only lived in the Holylands for 4 years ::)
but hey - these things are never the student's fault
Quote from: Minder on March 18, 2009, 02:59:55 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on March 18, 2009, 02:57:14 PM
Was talking to a mate on who lives on Carmel, said that everyone was out on the front porches with their sofas out, drinking obv and singing etc. Everytime the police patrol went past everyone went quiet, then they'd start singing again. For some reason the police brought in the riot squad, was also told the damage caused to the car wasn't until after the police came. The police said prior to yesterday they were going to clamp down on the anti-social element and rightfully so, but I can't help feeling they were a bit ott with the riot gear. A fella threw an empty beer box at a cop and got arrested - just saw his name on bbc ni news for riotous behaviour and assault of police officer ??? The sooner CCTV is installed the better, can't for the world of me think that an area containing the two most crime-riddled streets in the north hasn't got basic surveillance.
So the riot squad were called in because they were singing too loud?
well they sure as hell weren't rioting ::)
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 18, 2009, 02:48:01 PM
You wouldn't be a student by any chance would you, FB? ::)
No, not a student
Imagine Gab being wrong ::)
so who caused all the bother yesterday then if it wasn't the students?
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 18, 2009, 03:16:00 PM
so who caused all the bother yesterday then if it wasn't the students?
I would say some would have you believe it was a lethal cocktail of PSNI heavy handedness/brutality & locals and the good ol' Gaa supporting students were having a quiet pint of plain...........
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 18, 2009, 03:16:00 PM
so who caused all the bother yesterday then if it wasn't the students?
You must know, sure you lived there for 4 years ::)
Quote from: Minder on March 18, 2009, 03:20:36 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 18, 2009, 03:16:00 PM
so who caused all the bother yesterday then if it wasn't the students?
I would say some would have you believe it was a lethal cocktail of PSNI heavy handedness/brutality & locals and the good 'ol Gaa supporting students were having a quiet pint of plain...........
This has been going on long enough for the cops to know by now how best to deal with it. Landing round in landrovers and riot gear and sealing off streets is not the solution. The police lived up to their word on clamping down and rightfully so, but not in this manner. Students are by no means innocent but it all kicked off once the riot police arrived, by all accounts this made the situation worse, and has unfortunately given the PSNI grounds to justify similar action in the future
Quote[Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on Today at 03:16:00 PM
so who caused all the bother yesterday then if it wasn't the students?
You must know, sure you lived there for 4 years /quote]
Aye you have to know, saying as you know what happened already, the students did it all...there wasnt a local within 100 miles of the place and the police did nothing to warrant retaliation. Aw yes and of course there was no non-students up in the area celebrating the day.
Did you live in the holylands with your eyes closed and ears plugged?
Quote from: full back on March 18, 2009, 03:20:52 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 18, 2009, 03:16:00 PM
so who caused all the bother yesterday then if it wasn't the students?
You must know, sure you lived there for 4 years ::)
Stick to trying to wind Liverpool fans up, sarcasm isn't your thing
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 18, 2009, 03:29:00 PM
Quote from: full back on March 18, 2009, 03:20:52 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 18, 2009, 03:16:00 PM
so who caused all the bother yesterday then if it wasn't the students?
You must know, sure you lived there for 4 years ::)
Stick to trying to wind Liverpool fans up, sarcasm isn't your thing
I thought it was pretty good, did u leave your sense of humour in the holylands?
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 18, 2009, 03:29:00 PM
Quote from: full back on March 18, 2009, 03:20:52 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 18, 2009, 03:16:00 PM
so who caused all the bother yesterday then if it wasn't the students?
You must know, sure you lived there for 4 years ::)
Stick to trying to wind Liverpool fans up, sarcasm isn't your thing
So its sarcasm because I dont agree with you? ::)
You seem to think you have the definitive answer on this because you lived in the area for 4 years ???
As someone says, how can you point the finger at one particular group?
whether it was students/non students (i believe it to be a mixture) they are litlle T""ts who can't handle their drink... who have to go and spoil it for everyone else and embarrass us once again... i'd imagine their was a lot of mothers on the phone to their children wondering where they were...
videos starting to emerge on you tube.....
It's a load of balls... where are these lads staying when they land up? That's right in Student houses! If someone came to stay in my place and caused wrecks with the police I'd soon be telling him to sling his hook.
At the end of the day yes it was a mixture of all 3 groups mentioned causing the damage along with an over reaction by the cops too but don't be giving the students an easy time of it as there's plenty of crap goes on during the week when the other 3 groups have nothing to do with it. As someone stated earlier, have CCTV erected and when there's an incident people can really see what's going on.
Police need to calm the fook down too as I remember my first Paddys in the Holylands there was no trouble all day yet there were 4 land rovers in gear waiting outside Renshaws and Dukes. Sure when you have 1,000 odd drunken nationalists celebrating their Country's day and they're faced with that at 1.30 in the morning what are they gonna do but chuck stuff over at them. The next year there were no police present and there was no problem.
I think the fact the Holyland has deteriorated this last few years has culminated in what happened yesterday. I've been staying there an odd night this last few weeks and the next morning the place is like a bomb site and there are ones bringing sofas out to drink at 10 in the morning... I really do not see the point in it and it will only lead to anti socail behaviour later in the day!
Any links leenie?
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=holylands+belfast+2009
this is one..... i can't find the other one
Not the best video but great to hear a few mucksavages.... "this is meant til be a free country" and "What harm am I gonna cause lak... I done f**k all"
Worst example of PSNI/RUC brutality yday in the Holylands the scum wouldnt move in against students on the lisburn road like that. Why couldnt they just let the students wreck the place in peace for one day of the year they work hard and deserve a day or two wrecking.
:D :D :D
This boy has a few videos but not a whole lot to see in any of them.
http://www.youtube.com/user/aran31562 (http://www.youtube.com/user/aran31562)
Tar and feather them. Christ my old man would knock the shite out of me if the beak was on the evening news f**king around causing trouble.
Quote from: Puckoon on March 18, 2009, 04:40:28 PM
Tar and feather them. Christ my old man would knock the shite out of me if the beak was on the evening news f**king around causing trouble.
Tarring and feathering would be too good for them scumbags.
the majority of students were doing nothing wrong. batons were used on people for being outside the houses. a few bottles were thrown by spides and a handful of students
Quote from: dodgy umpire on March 18, 2009, 05:04:33 PM
the majority of students were doing nothing wrong. batons were used on people for being outside the houses. a few bottles were thrown by spides and a handful of students
The clamour to associate in a large gang each St Patricks day is the problem, I have no doubt the 'majority' did little wrong, but the siege mentality is only going to cause trouble. You are being a wee bit naive blaming the peelers and spides, we have all seen the mayhem students cause at this time of the year many times before.
It is usually a culmination of all parties & not any particular group
The thing is that when it starts & a lot of people are floating about it is very difficult/impossible to stop
Are there any reports of what the students/residents/day trippers/MS's done in order for the riot squad to be brought onto the scene?
Apparently an inter county footballer walked into a house on Carmel St. Hearing this a large contingent of Mucksavii swarmed the area. It was all downhill from there.
Quote from: stiffler on March 18, 2009, 05:35:57 PM
Are there any reports of what the students/residents/day trippers/MS's done in order for the riot squad to be brought onto the scene?
Apparently a firework was thrown at an officer and it was then decided to deploy the riot squad and helicopter.
Funny the more I hear about it the more stupid the actions of the PSNI appear. Instead of allowing the crowd to disperse, they sealed off Carmel St and told everyone to go indoors or else face being arrested, regardless of whether they lived on the street or not. People trying to leave the area weren't allowed to do so and instead had to bail into the closest doorway. Suffice to say this isn't the best way to go about an operation involving a hundred or so drunken students.
I used to live on Carmel Street -it was quiet enough in comparison to a lot of the other streets in the Holy Lands with a lot of local residents.
I remember a lad from Armagh town got jumped in Carmel Street on New Years Eve - probably 10 years ago now and had a breeze block dropped on his head by a group of local teens - he lost an eye because of it. There are plenty of Armagh boys on here who know the lad but may not remember the story.
Students are going mad down in Belfast and it is getting worse - but the locals are not all innocent victims either.
Having saw this on the news a few times I've yet to see any sign of the serious riots that they kept talking about. The only thing they showed was 1 or 2 bottles being thrown by a few in the crowd. There was the damaged car as well but it wasnt even clear if that was the students. When you consider some of the riots in this country over the last 40 years to describe that as a serious one is a bit of a joke. Most of the crowd seemed to be standing about having a bit of craic although I suppose its very unfair on the non student residents but you cant complain too much about noise during the day on St Paddys day.
"There was people runnin about with no clothes on so there was".
That is a comedy line if ever I heard one.
Anyone see the eejit with the cape on running in behind the residents who were gettin interviewed?
My mother said if she had ever seen any of us at it she would've driven up from fermanagh and got us by the scruff of the neck and knocked pur blocks off
Took a drive through the holylands yesterday upon hearing of all the commotion. Why there were riot police there I have no idea, complete overreaction that made the situation worse. The vast majority of students were standing outside watching this spectacle and it mostly served to bring hundreds of people into the streets. I have to stress there was no 'riot' and some of the posters on here calling for the police to lay into the mass of students need to wise their head. I didnt see any students throwing bottles myself but others i talked to said a few eejits were throwing objects. If these were students or not I dont know, if so they should face criminal charges. The majority of the bottle throwing was being done by wee spides from the alley ways particularly round Carmel/Agincourt.
I lived in the Holylands for two years, on St Paddys day if you take a look down the alley ways you see wee groups of spide hanging about and these are the crowd responsible for the vast majority of bad shit like throwing bottles, damaging cars etc. Being the rats that they are they generally stick to the cover of the alleys and are lot less visual to the cameras. But they are drawn in in big numbers (as are many other outsiders) by the atmosphere/controversy of the place on big days. Naturally there is a handful of gobshite students who get up to criminal acts but the vast majority of the students you see on the videos are at worst guilty of being very drunk and maybe very loud, as we have nearly all been at parties. This will be reflected in the handful of students (of the several thousand) who will be taken to court despite the massive camera presence yesterday. Most dont warrant some of the flippant crap proposed by the holier than thou crowd on here most of whom weren't there and get their info from hyped up reports which invariably multiply and exaggerate every serious incident.
In case I get a pints style sarcastic response complete with rolling eyes, no i do not believe that the bad behaviour yesterday was acceptable and the Holylands is a troubled area. For one thing drinking outside the houses should be banned and cameras should go up. I do feel very sorry for the residents in all this
From the few clips on the news there the bottle throwers appeared to be your archetypal spides complete with hoodies, tracksuit bottoms, and scarfs around their faces. Not saying they definitely weren't students but they weren't dressed like the rest of the people on the street (no GAA/ Ireland/ green t-shirts, etc.) so I'd have my suspicions.
Quote from: gawa316 on March 18, 2009, 06:46:09 PM
Anyone see the eejit with the cape on running in behind the residents who were gettin interviewed?
My mother said if she had ever seen any of us at it she would've driven up from fermanagh and got us by the scruff of the neck and knocked pur blocks off
it was Batman
so the students are at it again? completely bonkers. it may be all three groups mentioned who caused the "riot" but it was one area. all the spides on the Falls road were out drinking walking about going from pub to pub, police cars about and not one riot.
at the end of the day the "riot" happened in a student area and 4 students were arrested. not 4 "Muckers" from the Markets area
it was 4 students in court today but there was more than 4 arrested according to reports so as for the others it is unknown whether they were also students or not.
Quote from: screenexile on March 18, 2009, 03:42:02 PM
Police need to calm the fook down too as I remember my first Paddys in the Holylands there was no trouble all day yet there were 4 land rovers in gear waiting outside Renshaws and Dukes. Sure when you have 1,000 odd drunken nationalists celebrating their Country's day and they're faced with that at 1.30 in the morning what are they gonna do but chuck stuff over at them.
That doesn't give a very good impression of Nationalists. What are they gonna do? Go home to bed, like anyone else does on a night out?
Don't throw stuff at the cops?
Quote from: SidelineKick on March 18, 2009, 05:42:19 PM
Apparently an inter county footballer walked into a house on Carmel St. Hearing this a large contingent of Mucksavii swarmed the area. It was all downhill from there.
;D ;D
Quote from: leenie on March 18, 2009, 07:34:12 PM
Quote from: SidelineKick on March 18, 2009, 05:42:19 PM
Apparently an inter county footballer walked into a house on Carmel St. Hearing this a large contingent of Mucksavii swarmed the area. It was all downhill from there.
;D ;D
several inter county footballers were to be seen enjoying the day on carmel street. there was no trouble untill police men with automatic weapens and riot gear sealed off the street
Quote from: dodgy umpire on March 18, 2009, 07:43:52 PM
Quote from: leenie on March 18, 2009, 07:34:12 PM
Quote from: SidelineKick on March 18, 2009, 05:42:19 PM
Apparently an inter county footballer walked into a house on Carmel St. Hearing this a large contingent of Mucksavii swarmed the area. It was all downhill from there.
;D ;D
several inter county footballers were to be seen enjoying the day on carmel street. there was no trouble untill police men with automatic weapens and riot gear sealed off the street
You weren't one of the students then ;)
could be a spide ;)
Quote from: Take Your Points on March 18, 2009, 09:55:45 PM
The PSNI didn't show the same level of enthusiasm for tackling the roiters in Lurgan last week when masked rioters with petrol bombs were allowed to take charge of the area. Contrast this to a crowd of students and their mates fuelled by too much alcohol, not hiding their identities and mucking about.
I thought it was significant that the Superintendent interviewed on TV about the Holyland was quite belligerent in his attitude and not much older than some of the young people in the Holyland. A lack of experience of crowd control mixed with a high level of aggression became enough to have riot police in a situation where some level of negotiation with university authorities at an earlier stage might have been enough to get through the evening. A bit of forward planning by restricting the flow of natives from the Ormeau Road into the area would have helped. Generally aggression is met with aggression and the police in riot gear was overkill. Work with young people to modify behaviour and gain their respect. Authority comes from showing respect for others.
We have a serious drinking culture among young people and the reputation of the carry on in the Holyland is known far and wide. There are young people who already have located and paid a deposit on a house in the Holyland before they have completed their A levels. The ambition is to get to Belfast and to join in the culture that they have learned about from their older mates or by visiting the Holyland for the craic.
My greatest worry is that the behaviour in the Holyland shown repeatedly on TV and the Internet will simply encourage the next crop of students to head in that direction and join in the carry on as soon as possible. Too many A level students have already visited the area to stay with their mates and can't wait to get back.
People are notoriously hard to "work" with when they have consumed three gallons of Buckfast.
Quote from: Take Your Points on March 18, 2009, 09:55:45 PM
The PSNI didn't show the same level of enthusiasm for tackling the roiters in Lurgan last week when masked rioters with petrol bombs were allowed to take charge of the area. Contrast this to a crowd of students and their mates fuelled by too much alcohol, not hiding their identities and mucking about.
I thought it was significant that the Superintendent interviewed on TV about the Holyland was quite belligerent in his attitude and not much older than some of the young people in the Holyland. A lack of experience of crowd control mixed with a high level of aggression became enough to have riot police in a situation where some level of negotiation with university authorities at an earlier stage might have been enough to get through the evening. A bit of forward planning by restricting the flow of natives from the Ormeau Road into the area would have helped. Generally aggression is met with aggression and the police in riot gear was overkill. Work with young people to modify behaviour and gain their respect. Authority comes from showing respect for others.
We have a serious drinking culture among young people and the reputation of the carry on in the Holyland is known far and wide. There are young people who already have located and paid a deposit on a house in the Holyland before they have completed their A levels. The ambition is to get to Belfast and to join in the culture that they have learned about from their older mates or by visiting the Holyland for the craic.
My greatest worry is that the behaviour in the Holyland shown repeatedly on TV and the Internet will simply encourage the next crop of students to head in that direction and join in the carry on as soon as possible. Too many A level students have already visited the area to stay with their mates and can't wait to get back.
Best post on this thread to date.
Quote from: Take Your Points on March 18, 2009, 09:55:45 PM
Work with young people to modify behaviour and gain their respect. Authority comes from showing respect for others.
Seriously, come on. These people are third level students, not a disadvantaged underclass.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 18, 2009, 07:48:24 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on March 18, 2009, 07:43:52 PM
Quote from: leenie on March 18, 2009, 07:34:12 PM
Quote from: SidelineKick on March 18, 2009, 05:42:19 PM
Apparently an inter county footballer walked into a house on Carmel St. Hearing this a large contingent of Mucksavii swarmed the area. It was all downhill from there.
;D ;D
several inter county footballers were to be seen enjoying the day on carmel street. there was no trouble untill police men with automatic weapens and riot gear sealed off the street
You weren't one of the students then ;)
i was one of the peelers ;D
Quote from: Take Your Points on March 18, 2009, 09:55:45 PM
The PSNI didn't show the same level of enthusiasm for tackling the roiters in Lurgan last week when masked rioters with petrol bombs were allowed to take charge of the area. Contrast this to a crowd of students and their mates fuelled by too much alcohol, not hiding their identities and mucking about.
I thought it was significant that the Superintendent interviewed on TV about the Holyland was quite belligerent in his attitude and not much older than some of the young people in the Holyland. A lack of experience of crowd control mixed with a high level of aggression became enough to have riot police in a situation where some level of negotiation with university authorities at an earlier stage might have been enough to get through the evening. A bit of forward planning by restricting the flow of natives from the Ormeau Road into the area would have helped. Generally aggression is met with aggression and the police in riot gear was overkill. Work with young people to modify behaviour and gain their respect. Authority comes from showing respect for others.
We have a serious drinking culture among young people and the reputation of the carry on in the Holyland is known far and wide. There are young people who already have located and paid a deposit on a house in the Holyland before they have completed their A levels. The ambition is to get to Belfast and to join in the culture that they have learned about from their older mates or by visiting the Holyland for the craic.
My greatest worry is that the behaviour in the Holyland shown repeatedly on TV and the Internet will simply encourage the next crop of students to head in that direction and join in the carry on as soon as possible. Too many A level students have already visited the area to stay with their mates and can't wait to get back.
TYP, I know where you are coming from but I think you are way off on this one. My wife and I have friends in the area with a young baby - the scumbags (whether students or locals, I don't care which) have been at this carry-on on St Paddy's Day for a number of years till all hours of the night. If the PSNI had dealt with them properly, I would have applauded them. Coppers in riot gear doing nothing but standing there letting people throw stuff at them is bullshit though.
QuoteMy greatest worry is that the behaviour in the Holyland shown repeatedly on TV and the Internet will simply encourage the next crop of students to head in that direction and join in the carry on as soon as possible.
That horse has bolted long ago I am afraid. That was the attitude amongst many 10 years ago when i started.
What happened this year to my eye looked less bad than years ago when there was worse outside renshaws/Dukes at the end of the night - was there any problems later on at night this year.
The Irish News have named the 5 that were up in court yesterday, along with photos.
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on March 18, 2009, 10:30:39 PM
TYP, I know where you are coming from but I think you are way off on this one. My wife and I have friends in the area with a young baby - the scumbags (whether students or locals, I don't care which) have been at this carry-on on St Paddy's Day for a number of years till all hours of the night. If the PSNI had dealt with them properly, I would have applauded them. Coppers in riot gear doing nothing but standing there letting people throw stuff at them is bullshit though.
Not defending anyone but what's has having a young baby got to do with this whole thing? Are these scumbags, as you call them, going around and sacrificing the first born of everyone.
Quote from: thebigfella on March 19, 2009, 09:02:22 AM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on March 18, 2009, 10:30:39 PM
TYP, I know where you are coming from but I think you are way off on this one. My wife and I have friends in the area with a young baby - the scumbags (whether students or locals, I don't care which) have been at this carry-on on St Paddy's Day for a number of years till all hours of the night. If the PSNI had dealt with them properly, I would have applauded them. Coppers in riot gear doing nothing but standing there letting people throw stuff at them is bullshit though.
Not defending anyone but what's has having a young baby got to do with this whole thing? Are these scumbags, as you call them, going around and sacrificing the first born of everyone.
I take it he is alluding to the fact that if you have a young baby the last thing you want is a pile of go*shites wrecking and smashing at all hours.
Did anyone see the student interviewed on BBC Newsline last night? The lad was obviously still half cut and came out with a comment blaming the cops and saying "sure its only one day a year"! :o All this time his mates were saying stuff out the window to him. Then they were interviewing a fella from the residents association and a fella in a cape was running around behind them! :D
Quote from: Minder on March 19, 2009, 09:11:03 AM
Quote from: thebigfella on March 19, 2009, 09:02:22 AM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on March 18, 2009, 10:30:39 PM
TYP, I know where you are coming from but I think you are way off on this one. My wife and I have friends in the area with a young baby - the scumbags (whether students or locals, I don't care which) have been at this carry-on on St Paddy's Day for a number of years till all hours of the night. If the PSNI had dealt with them properly, I would have applauded them. Coppers in riot gear doing nothing but standing there letting people throw stuff at them is bullshit though.
Not defending anyone but what's has having a young baby got to do with this whole thing? Are these scumbags, as you call them, going around and sacrificing the first born of everyone.
I take it he is alluding to the fact that if you have a young baby the last thing you want is a pile of go*shites wrecking and smashing at all hours.
That is true but then again whether you have a young baby or not, you still would want a pile of gob*hites wrecking and smashing at all hours.
saw them, the one boy had a loup jersey on him and made a real p***k of himself, with his friends givin him greif from above, the other 2 boys they interview actually looked like spides!!!! They really aint doin themselves any favours cos ever time they interiew a residents some buck idiot would start runnin by the camera actin the idiot cheered on by his friends. As for a few years ago outside renshaws that was usual started by idiots from a certain mountain area of south derry, who had a long running fued's with the bouncers coming into the city.
Quote from: amallon on March 19, 2009, 09:15:58 AM
Did anyone see the student interviewed on BBC Newsline last night? The lad was obviously still half cut and came out with a comment blaming the cops and saying "sure its only one day a year"! :o All this time his mates were saying stuff out the window to him. Then they were interviewing a fella from the residents association and a fella in a cape was running around behind them! :D
and was wearing a loup jumper
Quote from: Owenbeg on March 19, 2009, 09:37:28 AM
saw them, the one boy had a loup jersey on him and made a real p***k of himself
Quote from: Drumanee 1 on March 19, 2009, 09:38:25 AM
and was wearing a loup jumper
Great. Any idea who this tool was?
Quote from: SidelineKick on March 19, 2009, 09:43:15 AM
Quote from: Owenbeg on March 19, 2009, 09:37:28 AM
saw them, the one boy had a loup jersey on him and made a real p***k of himself
Quote from: Drumanee 1 on March 19, 2009, 09:38:25 AM
and was wearing a loup jumper
Great. Any idea who this tool was?
who are you trying to kid sideline ?? :D
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7919106.stm bout 2 minutes in
f**k just watched it again there he really is an idiot!!!!
is he not a Ballymaquiqan man
dont know could be, its definetly a loup jersey thou!! that man should be let out alone let alone on camera after a performance like that!!! see the woman gettin trailed into the portable cell's, the police brought out. classy lady!!!!
Quote from: Owenbeg on March 19, 2009, 09:53:58 AM
dont know could be, its definetly a loup jersey thou!! that man should be let out alone let alone on camera after a performance like that!!! see the woman gettin trailed into the portable cell's, the police brought out. classy lady!!!!
I know both of them. The company I keep eh?!
How embarrassing. Its definitely a Loup jersey but he's definiteyl from the Quigan. C*nt.
Didn't see the one with the jumper on, but I'd hazard a guess that its another Quigan man trying to tarnish the name :D
Complete idiots!
whats the craic with the police bringing out the portable cell things thou????? ??? ???
Quote from: Take Your Points on March 18, 2009, 09:55:45 PM
The PSNI didn't show the same level of enthusiasm for tackling the roiters in Lurgan last week when masked rioters with petrol bombs were allowed to take charge of the area. Contrast this to a crowd of students and their mates fuelled by too much alcohol, not hiding their identities and mucking about.
I thought it was significant that the Superintendent interviewed on TV about the Holyland was quite belligerent in his attitude and not much older than some of the young people in the Holyland. A lack of experience of crowd control mixed with a high level of aggression became enough to have riot police in a situation where some level of negotiation with university authorities at an earlier stage might have been enough to get through the evening. A bit of forward planning by restricting the flow of natives from the Ormeau Road into the area would have helped. Generally aggression is met with aggression and the police in riot gear was overkill. Work with young people to modify behaviour and gain their respect. Authority comes from showing respect for others.
We have a serious drinking culture among young people and the reputation of the carry on in the Holyland is known far and wide. There are young people who already have located and paid a deposit on a house in the Holyland before they have completed their A levels. The ambition is to get to Belfast and to join in the culture that they have learned about from their older mates or by visiting the Holyland for the craic.
My greatest worry is that the behaviour in the Holyland shown repeatedly on TV and the Internet will simply encourage the next crop of students to head in that direction and join in the carry on as soon as possible. Too many A level students have already visited the area to stay with their mates and can't wait to get back.
This post is out of touch with what goes happens on so many levels.
Firstly to compare this incident with what happened in Lurgan is simply ridiculous. On the one hand you had a few children playing a being bigshots and in the Holyland you had young adults who should have know a lot better behaving like children. Both may have been fuelled by too much alcohol. In both incidents the PSNI acted in a proportionate way so as to ensure the situations were contained and didn't escalate.
To assume that the PSNI officer lacked experience because of his age is unfair and says more about the arrogance of the poster than the ability of the PSNI officer. This is probably a man who has to deal with this type of behaviour every weekday for 24 weeks per year, not when the little darlings are behaving themselves when sober and actually make an effort to go to class. There were no university authorities on the ground of Tuesday afternoon for the PSNI to negotiate with and as for restricting the flow of "natives" into the area – again more assumptions. I was down in the area for a look around and all of the "natives" were up on the Ormeau Rd and looking on with bewilderment at the animals in Carmel Street. The vast vast majority of those in Carmel St were students and there was no involvement of any "natives". It's all very well saying that authority comes from showing respect, but it is very difficult to respect someone who is blind drunk, impossible to reason with, giving abuse, pissing all over the place or otherwise behaving like an animal. Again, fine sentiments, but spoken like someone who has no idea of what goes on amongst student culture.
You also say people are paying deposits on houses before they complete their A-Levels. That may be so but they are a tiny minority because the vast majority of 1st year students stay in the Halls of Residence. To say that it is the ambition of young people to join in with the drinking culture of the Holyland again shows your arrogance that you think you know the mind of every 18 year old. Their ambition isn't to join in with the drinking culture, that comes later after they have been introduced to it in Halls when they discover that culture is tacitly approved of by the university authorities, who know fcuk all about what happens after 5pm in Halls. Both university authorities are content to allow the night staff to react to situations instead of working with the staff there to create and foster any other kind of environment.
Quote from: Donagh on March 19, 2009, 10:07:53 AM
You also say people are paying deposits on houses before they complete their A-Levels. That may be so but they are a tiny minority because the vast majority of 1st year students stay in the Halls of Residence.
Pretty out of touch yourself Donagh. Where you getting this info from?
Donagh, some very good points, though I would say you underestimate the numbers of 1st year students who move up and straight into the holylands- usually when either they have a few mates a year older, or there are a lot coming from the same schools.
I lived with a number of fellas later on who had been to St Pats, Maghera, and a good few from that area that I know of moved straight up and into the holylands. Renshaws was like a class reunion for them feckers, and the one lad made us go far too often for my liking. When he was able to pull girls talking about gaelic football i knew i was out of my depth.
Quote from: SidelineKick on March 19, 2009, 10:19:29 AM
Quote from: Donagh on March 19, 2009, 10:07:53 AM
You also say people are paying deposits on houses before they complete their A-Levels. That may be so but they are a tiny minority because the vast majority of 1st year students stay in the Halls of Residence.
Pretty out of touch yourself Donagh. Where you getting this info from?
Queen's University Accommodation Office.
Quote from: Donagh on March 19, 2009, 10:07:53 AM
Firstly to compare this incident with what happened in Lurgan is simply ridiculous. On the one hand you had a few children playing a being bigshots and in the Holyland you had young adults who should have know a lot better behaving like children. Both may have been fuelled by too much alcohol. In both incidents the PSNI acted in a proportionate way so as to ensure the situations were contained and didn't escalate.
Yeah, a few children with petrol bombs & a few young adults with bottles
I know which is worse ::)
The second part of your statement seems like you are a spokesman for the cops?
Are you?
Quote from: Donagh on March 19, 2009, 10:20:53 AM
Quote from: SidelineKick on March 19, 2009, 10:19:29 AM
Quote from: Donagh on March 19, 2009, 10:07:53 AM
You also say people are paying deposits on houses before they complete their A-Levels. That may be so but they are a tiny minority because the vast majority of 1st year students stay in the Halls of Residence.
Pretty out of touch yourself Donagh. Where you getting this info from?
Queen's University Accommodation Office.
What about Jordanstown and BMC?
Quote from: full back on March 19, 2009, 10:25:54 AM
Quote from: Donagh on March 19, 2009, 10:07:53 AM
Firstly to compare this incident with what happened in Lurgan is simply ridiculous. On the one hand you had a few children playing a being bigshots and in the Holyland you had young adults who should have know a lot better behaving like children. Both may have been fuelled by too much alcohol. In both incidents the PSNI acted in a proportionate way so as to ensure the situations were contained and didn't escalate.
Yeah, a few children with petrol bombs & a few young adults with bottles
I know which is worse ::)
The second part of your statement seems like you are a spokesman for the cops?
Are you?
Well there were more people injured by the young adults with bottles in three hours than were injured by the children in Lurgan over three days.
What because I refuse to defend the behaviour of drunken students, I'm accused of being a spokesman for the PSNI? No I'm not a spokesman for the PSNI but will I not defend the actions of students who are a disgrace to themselves and their families nor will I defend the university authorities who are happy to take the money from these students and then abandon them to the Holylands ghetto.
Quote from: SidelineKick on March 19, 2009, 10:26:00 AM
What about Jordanstown and BMC?
Sorry SK, should have said, I know nothing of them.
Quote from: Drumanee 1 on March 19, 2009, 10:30:06 AM
Quote from: SidelineKick on March 19, 2009, 10:21:20 AM
Quote from: Drumanee 1 on March 19, 2009, 10:18:42 AM
Quote from: SidelineKick on March 19, 2009, 09:51:07 AM
Quote from: the green man on March 19, 2009, 09:49:46 AM
is he not a Ballymaquiqan man
YES!
i'm waiting for the c**k to crow :D
or do i have to wait for the 3rd time :D
I'm not with ya?
denial of your fellow club mate :D
:D T Brady is no club mate of mine. (Actually T Brady is too obvious people will figure that out) Lets call him Tomás B :D
Quote from: Donagh on March 19, 2009, 10:07:53 AM
Quote from: Take Your Points on March 18, 2009, 09:55:45 PM
The PSNI didn't show the same level of enthusiasm for tackling the roiters in Lurgan last week when masked rioters with petrol bombs were allowed to take charge of the area. Contrast this to a crowd of students and their mates fuelled by too much alcohol, not hiding their identities and mucking about.
I thought it was significant that the Superintendent interviewed on TV about the Holyland was quite belligerent in his attitude and not much older than some of the young people in the Holyland. A lack of experience of crowd control mixed with a high level of aggression became enough to have riot police in a situation where some level of negotiation with university authorities at an earlier stage might have been enough to get through the evening. A bit of forward planning by restricting the flow of natives from the Ormeau Road into the area would have helped. Generally aggression is met with aggression and the police in riot gear was overkill. Work with young people to modify behaviour and gain their respect. Authority comes from showing respect for others.
We have a serious drinking culture among young people and the reputation of the carry on in the Holyland is known far and wide. There are young people who already have located and paid a deposit on a house in the Holyland before they have completed their A levels. The ambition is to get to Belfast and to join in the culture that they have learned about from their older mates or by visiting the Holyland for the craic.
My greatest worry is that the behaviour in the Holyland shown repeatedly on TV and the Internet will simply encourage the next crop of students to head in that direction and join in the carry on as soon as possible. Too many A level students have already visited the area to stay with their mates and can't wait to get back.
This post is out of touch with what goes happens on so many levels.
Firstly to compare this incident with what happened in Lurgan is simply ridiculous. On the one hand you had a few children playing a being bigshots and in the Holyland you had young adults who should have know a lot better behaving like children. Both may have been fuelled by too much alcohol. In both incidents the PSNI acted in a proportionate way so as to ensure the situations were contained and didn't escalate.
To assume that the PSNI officer lacked experience because of his age is unfair and says more about the arrogance of the poster than the ability of the PSNI officer. This is probably a man who has to deal with this type of behaviour every weekday for 24 weeks per year, not when the little darlings are behaving themselves when sober and actually make an effort to go to class. There were no university authorities on the ground of Tuesday afternoon for the PSNI to negotiate with and as for restricting the flow of "natives" into the area – again more assumptions. I was down in the area for a look around and all of the "natives" were up on the Ormeau Rd and looking on with bewilderment at the animals in Carmel Street. The vast vast majority of those in Carmel St were students and there was no involvement of any "natives". It's all very well saying that authority comes from showing respect, but it is very difficult to respect someone who is blind drunk, impossible to reason with, giving abuse, pissing all over the place or otherwise behaving like an animal. Again, fine sentiments, but spoken like someone who has no idea of what goes on amongst student culture.
You also say people are paying deposits on houses before they complete their A-Levels. That may be so but they are a tiny minority because the vast majority of 1st year students stay in the Halls of Residence. To say that it is the ambition of young people to join in with the drinking culture of the Holyland again shows your arrogance that you think you know the mind of every 18 year old. Their ambition isn't to join in with the drinking culture, that comes later after they have been introduced to it in Halls when they discover that culture is tacitly approved of by the university authorities, who know fcuk all about what happens after 5pm in Halls. Both university authorities are content to allow the night staff to react to situations instead of working with the staff there to create and foster any other kind of environment.
When did you get moved to cloud 9 donagh or is it opposite land your in? I think the 'natives' being referred to are not people above the age of 40, it would be teenagers, and im fairly sure i seen a few of them a wee tiny bit closer to the action, like maybe right in the middle of it.
And i would nearly say that the majority of students live in student housing, if not its definitely not a minority.
But hopefully your not being serious... ???
Quote from: mrsandman on March 19, 2009, 10:34:18 AM
When did you get moved to cloud 9 donagh or is it opposite land your in? I think the 'natives' being referred to are not people above the age of 40, it would be teenagers, and im fairly sure i seen a few of them a wee tiny bit closer to the action, like maybe right in the middle of it.
And i would nearly say that the majority of students live in student housing, if not its definitely not a minority.
But hopefully your not being serious... ???
Read my post again, I was referring to 1st year students.
Quote from: Donagh on March 19, 2009, 10:36:46 AM
Quote from: mrsandman on March 19, 2009, 10:34:18 AM
When did you get moved to cloud 9 donagh or is it opposite land your in? I think the 'natives' being referred to are not people above the age of 40, it would be teenagers, and im fairly sure i seen a few of them a wee tiny bit closer to the action, like maybe right in the middle of it.
And i would nearly say that the majority of students live in student housing, if not its definitely not a minority.
But hopefully your not being serious... ???
Read my post again, I was referring to 1st year students.
Ok...still no change, its definitely not a minority.
Quote from: mrsandman on March 19, 2009, 10:46:10 AM
Ok...still no change, its definitely not a minority.
I have a piece of paper in front of me from the QUB accommodation office that says the majority of first year students that live away from home choose to live in the Elms Village.
What do you have to back up your assertion?
Quote from: Donagh on March 19, 2009, 10:55:17 AM
Quote from: mrsandman on March 19, 2009, 10:46:10 AM
Ok...still no change, its definitely not a minority.
I have a piece of paper in front of me from the QUB accommodation office that says the majority of first year students that live away from home choose to live in the Elms Village.
What do you have to back up your assertion?
Only 1st year students can live in the Elms as far as I am aware. There is a sizeable number of UUJ 1st years who go straight to the Holyland
Quote from: Donagh on March 19, 2009, 10:07:53 AM
I was down in the area for a look around and all of the "natives" were up on the Ormeau Rd and looking on with bewilderment at the animals in Carmel Street. The vast vast majority of those in Carmel St were students and there was no involvement of any "natives".
You obviously missed the natives on Agincourt Ave soaking up festivities.
Quote from: Donagh on March 19, 2009, 10:07:53 AM
In both incidents the PSNI acted in a proportionate way so as to ensure the situations were contained and didn't escalate.
The PSNI overreaction (riot squad & PSNI helicopter) in Carmel was by all accounts counterproductive and this is when the trouble escalated.
Irish News-What an idiot putting his finger up at the camera after coming out of court yesterday... foolish move
Quote from: longrunsthefox on March 19, 2009, 11:28:33 AM
Irish News-What an idiot putting his finger up at the camera after coming out of court yesterday... foolish move
Student?
Quote from: fitzroyalty on March 19, 2009, 11:25:41 AM
You obviously missed the natives on Agincourt Ave soaking up festivities.
The PSNI overreaction (riot squad & PSNI helicopter) in Carmel was by all accounts counterproductive and this is when the trouble escalated.
I didn't, but the trouble was on Carmel. From what I could see, when a few local youths tried to get involved (from outside the Carmel enclosure) a few baton charges had them easily dispersed. Could be argued that the baton charge was directed in the wrong direction.
Quote from: SidelineKick on March 19, 2009, 11:30:19 AM
Student?
I know the parents of the one from Lurgan. I'd confidently say he'll not be in the good books for a while after he get's home.
Quote from: SidelineKick on March 19, 2009, 11:30:19 AM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on March 19, 2009, 11:28:33 AM
Irish News-What an idiot putting his finger up at the camera after coming out of court yesterday... foolish move
Student?
Not sure but reports say all but one charged are students but the gesture reflects badly on him
Quote from: Donagh on March 19, 2009, 10:55:17 AM
Quote from: mrsandman on March 19, 2009, 10:46:10 AM
Ok...still no change, its definitely not a minority.
I have a piece of paper in front of me from the QUB accommodation office that says the majority of first year students that live away from home choose to live in the Elms Village.
What do you have to back up your assertion?
Knowing from experience, Majority of jtown freshers live in holylands, about 30 - 40% of queens first years do also.
Quote from: Donagh on March 19, 2009, 11:32:30 AM
Quote from: SidelineKick on March 19, 2009, 11:30:19 AM
Student?
I know the parents of the one from Lurgan. I'd confidently say he'll not be in the good books for a while after he get's home.
Threw an empty beer box towards police. Goes down as assault and riotous behaviour ???
Quote from: longrunsthefox on March 19, 2009, 11:33:24 AM
Quote from: SidelineKick on March 19, 2009, 11:30:19 AM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on March 19, 2009, 11:28:33 AM
Irish News-What an idiot putting his finger up at the camera after coming out of court yesterday... foolish move
Student?
Not sure but reports say all but one charged are students but the gesture reflects badly on him
Irish News says today only one of the five are students.
Quote from: Donagh on March 19, 2009, 11:30:37 AM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on March 19, 2009, 11:25:41 AM
You obviously missed the natives on Agincourt Ave soaking up festivities.
The PSNI overreaction (riot squad & PSNI helicopter) in Carmel was by all accounts counterproductive and this is when the trouble escalated.
I didn't, but the trouble was on Carmel. From what I could see, when a few local youths tried to get involved (from outside the Carmel enclosure) a few baton charges had them easily dispersed. Could be argued that the baton charge was directed in the wrong direction.
True. Though I still think batons could have been avoided in the first place. Media as usual have jumped on this and blew it way out of proportion. Not at all shocked they interviewed that Derry clown, probably one of the drunkest people they could find.
Quote from: Minder on March 19, 2009, 11:37:45 AM
Irish News says today only one of the five are students.
Yesterday all but one of them
were students. ::)
Quote from: Minder on March 19, 2009, 11:37:45 AM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on March 19, 2009, 11:33:24 AM
Quote from: SidelineKick on March 19, 2009, 11:30:19 AM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on March 19, 2009, 11:28:33 AM
Irish News-What an idiot putting his finger up at the camera after coming out of court yesterday... foolish move
Student?
Not sure but reports say all but one charged are students but the gesture reflects badly on him
Irish News says today only one of the five are students.
ok - I thought I read yesterday all were students except one-I stand corrected
Quoteabout 30 - 40% of queens first years do also
you think 30-40% of all queens 1st year students live in the holylands????
On second thoughts this was on BBC website yesterday...
Five in court after city trouble
laganside court complex
Five men have appeared in court over disturbances in the Holyland area of south Belfast on St Patrick's Day.
Accused of riotous behaviour were ... 5 males...
"Each of the accused appeared separately in the dock at Belfast Magistrates Court to hear the charges put to them. Four of them are students and one is an electrician.
A solicitor for some of the accused said they would be contesting the case.
All were released on their own bail of £500 and will appear in court again on 1 April....
I daresay the police went ahead and announced they had pressed charges against 'students' without actually knowing.
Quote from: fitzroyalty on March 19, 2009, 11:36:33 AM
Threw an empty beer box towards police. Goes down as assault and riotous behaviour ???
Technically that would be assault. Unfortunately many students in their know-all drunken states have no understanding of what constitutes an "assault" i.e. it is when the 'victim' believes physical violence is imminent, the physical violence doesn't actually have to have happened, for example, when a drunken students stands slabbering at one of those community safety wardens in the middle of the night, in a aggressive manner, they could be said to be committing assault. Similarly riotous behaviour can mean anything from singing loudly in a drunken state in the street at night to chucking bricks at the peelers. Students are allowed to get away with such behaviours from day one at university and as such, God love them, they can't understand what's happening when someone decides to make an example out of them as in this case.
Quote from: fitzroyalty on March 19, 2009, 11:40:02 AM
Though I still think batons could have been avoided in the first place. Media as usual have jumped on this and blew it way out of proportion. Not at all shocked they interviewed that Derry clown, probably one of the drunkest people they could find.
Quote from: Minder on March 19, 2009, 11:37:45 AM
Irish News says today only one of the five are students.
I agree, but in some ways it might help as the universities have been shamed into realising that they have a part to play in reforming this type of behaviour instead of trying to contain it with fire-fighting the incidents as they happen every night.
Quote from: Donagh on March 19, 2009, 10:07:53 AM
This post is out of touch with what goes happens on so many levels.
In both incidents the PSNI acted in a proportionate way so as to ensure the situations were contained and didn't escalate.
I was down in the area for a look around and all of the "natives" were up on the Ormeau Rd and looking on with bewilderment at the animals in Carmel Street. The vast vast majority of those in Carmel St were students and there was no involvement of any "natives".
You also say people are paying deposits on houses before they complete their A-Levels. That may be so but they are a tiny minority because the vast majority of 1st year students stay in the Halls of Residence.
Well you're out of touch on 3 levels yourself Donagh.
1. PSNI deploying riot police was an overreaction that drew hundreds more people into the streets for the 'spectacle'. It achieved nothing else. Blocking off Carmel street served only to escalate frustrations and a target for a few buck eejits to start throwing things
2. Thats totally false. There were dozens of the wee spides in and around the alleyways. Also throwing bottles.
3. Vast majority your hole. Queens Elms holds about 1500, Jtown halls hold about 700. Bearing in mind that not all are first years thats around 2000 students. Contrast this with 10000 people in the Holylands, roughly 9000 of which are students - how many of the 9000 wouldnt be first years?
Quote from: nifan on March 19, 2009, 11:43:32 AM
Quoteabout 30 - 40% of queens first years do also
you think 30-40% of all queens 1st year students live in the holylands????
No not all first years, of the ones who live in belfast. I don't know the exact figures, total guess.
Quote from: fitzroyalty on March 19, 2009, 11:40:02 AM
Though I still think batons could have been avoided in the first place. Media as usual have jumped on this and blew it way out of proportion. Not at all shocked they interviewed that Derry clown, probably one of the drunkest people they could find.
Quote from: Minder on March 19, 2009, 11:37:45 AM
Irish News says today only one of the five are students.
I agree, but in some ways it might help as the universities have been shamed into realising that they have a part to play in reforming this type of behaviour instead of trying to contain it with fire-fighting the incidents as they happen every night.
The universities will probably make an example of a few people, then go back to paying lip service. In anycase I think its unfair the amount of pressure on the universities, they didn't create the student ghetto.
As for the assault charge I know that technically
it is assault, but I was a bit shocked that out of the 20 or so arrested and of the 5 that had charges pressed this was what it was for, compared to what else went on
Quote from: whiskeysteve on March 19, 2009, 11:54:35 AM
Well you're out of touch on 3 levels yourself Donagh.
1. PSNI deploying riot police was an overreaction that drew hundreds more people into the streets for the 'spectacle'. It achieved nothing else. Blocking off Carmel street served only to escalate frustrations and a target for a few buck eejits to start throwing things
2. Thats totally false. There were dozens of the wee spides in and around the alleyways. Also throwing bottles.
3. Vast majority your hole. Queens Elms holds about 1500, Jtown halls hold about 700. Bearing in mind that not all are first years thats around 2000 students. Contrast this with 10000 people in the Holylands, roughly 9000 of which are students - how many of the 9000 wouldnt be first years?
1. The PSNI were able to contain the rowdy element so that they weren't able to cause trouble and bother anywhere else. So what if they got frustrated, the locals have been frustrated with them for years.
2. May have been, but it would have been sporadic and they didn't cause a fraction of the amount of bother as the students did. From what I witnessed the Ormeau Rd was packed with people having a good time around the pubs and takeaways in the area. No bother with any of them, no tension and no trouble.
3. Queen's Elms has closer to 2000 places with about 80% of those being 1st year students.
Enda Ward stuck in the middle of them!!! :o :o :o
Quote from: fitzroyalty on March 19, 2009, 12:00:28 PM
The universities will probably make an example of a few people, then go back to paying lip service. In anycase I think its unfair the amount of pressure on the universities, they didn't create the student ghetto.
As for the assault charge I know that technically it is assault, but I was a bit shocked that out of the 20 or so arrested and of the 5 that had charges pressed this was what it was for, compared to what else went on
I'll be very surprised if the universities 'make an example' of them by expelling anyone as at the end of the day they have a pastoral responsibility for these students and will realise that it's not fair to chuck them out for behaviour that goes on every night of the week by hundreds of other students. As I mentioned earlier, for too long the university authorities have ignored what students get up to after 5pm and as such are responsible for allowing students to think this kind of behaviour is acceptable.
Quote from: Donagh on March 19, 2009, 12:03:29 PM
Quote from: whiskeysteve on March 19, 2009, 11:54:35 AM
1. The PSNI were able to contain the rowdy element so that they weren't able to cause trouble and bother anywhere else. So what if they got frustrated, the locals have been frustrated with them for years.
Nonsense. Trouble escalated after they sealed the street off. Totally avoidable and unnecessary. Revellers were told to get into the nearest house or face being arrested. Dispersing the crowd would make much more sense, and many students drawn to Carmel by what went on wanted to the leave the area anyway. I can't help thinking the PSNI got what they wanted on Tuesday, they said beforehand they were going to be 'robust' and with their actions got they got the conditions in which they could act in such a way. It doesn't take a genius to figure how several hundred students are going to react when locked up on a street.
In 2005 the number of QUB students living independently, in Belfast only, was 7,314 (inc part time).
There where 2052, primarily 1st year student, in university maintained accomodation.
I cant see 30-40% of first years living in the holylands specifically, given the spread of those 7314 students over the lisburn road and stranmillis as well as smaller pockets elsewhere.
Quote from: fitzroyalty on March 19, 2009, 12:19:49 PM
Quote from: Donagh on March 19, 2009, 12:03:29 PM
Quote from: whiskeysteve on March 19, 2009, 11:54:35 AM
1. The PSNI were able to contain the rowdy element so that they weren't able to cause trouble and bother anywhere else. So what if they got frustrated, the locals have been frustrated with them for years.
Nonsense. Trouble escalated after they sealed the street off. Totally avoidable and unnecessary. Revellers were told to get into the nearest house or face being arrested. Dispersing the crowd would make much more sense, and many students drawn to Carmel by what went on wanted to the leave the area anyway. I can't help thinking the PSNI got what they wanted on Tuesday, they said beforehand they were going to be 'robust' and with their actions got they got the conditions in which they could act in such a way. It doesn't take a genius to figure how several hundred students are going to react when locked up on a street.
I'd have to agree with Fitzroyalty, the trouble only escalated when the street was sealed off which lead to messages being sent through the Holylands for everyone to get up to Carmel street as the police had closed it off. Also on the issue of putting people into the nearest house this tactic resulted in ipods and other valuables stolen from a house by 'randoms'.
Quote from: Donagh on March 19, 2009, 12:09:59 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on March 19, 2009, 12:00:28 PM
The universities will probably make an example of a few people, then go back to paying lip service. In anycase I think its unfair the amount of pressure on the universities, they didn't create the student ghetto.
As for the assault charge I know that technically it is assault, but I was a bit shocked that out of the 20 or so arrested and of the 5 that had charges pressed this was what it was for, compared to what else went on
I'll be very surprised if the universities 'make an example' of them by expelling anyone as at the end of the day they have a pastoral responsibility for these students and will realise that it's not fair to chuck them out for behaviour that goes on every night of the week by hundreds of other students. As I mentioned earlier, for too long the university authorities have ignored what students get up to after 5pm and as such are responsible for allowing students to think this kind of behaviour is acceptable.
That seemed to be the impression they were giving last night on BBC/UTV. Queens & UUJ obviously have to shoulder some blame but what other universities can you think of that are in a similar situation? From my experience they are doing all they can to eradicate anti-social behaviour, in my first year we got one complaint after a party one night and straight away were summoned for a disciplinary meeting by both QUB & UUJ. I think the police and City Council have as much responsibility if not more. The threat of sanctions from the unis isn't enough to stop students; more hi-vis police patrols, CCTV and more of these wardens I've been hearing so much about (haven't seen any so far this year) would be a start.
Quote from: fitzroyalty on March 19, 2009, 12:19:49 PM
Nonsense. Trouble escalated after they sealed the street off. Totally avoidable and unnecessary. Revellers were told to get into the nearest house or face being arrested. Dispersing the crowd would make much more sense, and many students drawn to Carmel by what went on wanted to the leave the area anyway. I can't help thinking the PSNI got what they wanted on Tuesday, they said beforehand they were going to be 'robust' and with their actions got they got the conditions in which they could act in such a way. It doesn't take a genius to figure how several hundred students are going to react when locked up on a street.
Better to have them locked up there than allowing them to wreck University St as they've done in previous years.
Quote from: Donagh on March 19, 2009, 12:03:29 PM
Quote from: whiskeysteve on March 19, 2009, 11:54:35 AM
Well you're out of touch on 3 levels yourself Donagh.
1. PSNI deploying riot police was an overreaction that drew hundreds more people into the streets for the 'spectacle'. It achieved nothing else. Blocking off Carmel street served only to escalate frustrations and a target for a few buck eejits to start throwing things
2. Thats totally false. There were dozens of the wee spides in and around the alleyways. Also throwing bottles.
3. Vast majority your hole. Queens Elms holds about 1500, Jtown halls hold about 700. Bearing in mind that not all are first years thats around 2000 students. Contrast this with 10000 people in the Holylands, roughly 9000 of which are students - how many of the 9000 wouldnt be first years?
1. The PSNI were able to contain the rowdy element so that they weren't able to cause trouble and bother anywhere else. So what if they got frustrated, the locals have been frustrated with them for years.
2. May have been, but it would have been sporadic and they didn't cause a fraction of the amount of bother as the students did. From what I witnessed the Ormeau Rd was packed with people having a good time around the pubs and takeaways in the area. No bother with any of them, no tension and no trouble.
3. Queen's Elms has closer to 2000 places with about 80% of those being 1st year students.
1. see fitzroyaltys response
2. They threw MORE bottles than the students but had the wit to do it from the alley and get away unlike the drunken states in the street. What you witnessed on the Ormeau road is irrelevant.
3. Had a look at a prospectus and I was a bit short - 'over 1600 students'. But anyway if you take nifan's figure of total uni accommodation and assuming 80% are 1st year thats 1600 contrasting with 9000 students in the holylands. So this idea that 'vast majority of 1st year students stay in the Halls of Residence' is utterly wrong.
Quote from: Donagh on March 19, 2009, 12:36:01 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on March 19, 2009, 12:19:49 PM
Nonsense. Trouble escalated after they sealed the street off. Totally avoidable and unnecessary. Revellers were told to get into the nearest house or face being arrested. Dispersing the crowd would make much more sense, and many students drawn to Carmel by what went on wanted to the leave the area anyway. I can't help thinking the PSNI got what they wanted on Tuesday, they said beforehand they were going to be 'robust' and with their actions got they got the conditions in which they could act in such a way. It doesn't take a genius to figure how several hundred students are going to react when locked up on a street.
Better to have them locked up there than allowing them to wreck University St as they've done in previous years.
For the sake of a handful of perpetrators? ???
Quotecontrasting with 9000 students in the holylands
As per my earlier comment, there where 7,314 qub students of all levels living privately in belfast - across all areas.
Furthermore 2,925 UU students lived independently in Belfast.
9000 students in the holylands would be optimistic if you ask me.
Quote from: fitzroyalty on March 19, 2009, 12:30:38 PM
That seemed to be the impression they were giving last night on BBC/UTV. Queens & UUJ obviously have to shoulder some blame but what other universities can you think of that are in a similar situation? From my experience they are doing all they can to eradicate anti-social behaviour, in my first year we got one complaint after a party one night and straight away were summoned for a disciplinary meeting by both QUB & UUJ. I think the police and City Council have as much responsibility if not more. The threat of sanctions from the unis isn't enough to stop students; more hi-vis police patrols, CCTV and more of these wardens I've been hearing so much about (haven't seen any so far this year) would be a start.
The threat of sanctions doesn't work, but what the universities have to do is enable an environment which fosters a sense of respect among the students. Some suggestions I would have:
1. Open up Halls to a greater number of returning students and international students and mix them in with the 1st years. The older more mature influence would help the 1st years settle in and an older student is more likely to tell them to wise the f**k up.
2. Scrap the fines and have student offenders do 'community service' in Halls or the Holyland. Fines are paid for by parents anyway and only serve to heighten animosity between students and authority figures.
3. Students Union needs to take a more active role organising entertainment in Halls for first years (especially at weekends) that doesn't involve attacting students down for a piss-up to get the money off them. Live music, sports competitions, outings etc... and make sure everyone gets involved. Currently the SU does next to f**k all but feather their own nest.
4. the University should make attendance 100% compulsory, prioritise 9am lectures for 1st years and roll out a system of personal tutors where academics have a personal mentoring role with 1st year students
5. Bring back an expanded version of the the old warden system (talking 20+ years ago) where university academics oversaw blocks or groups of students living in Halls and support this with lots of deputy wardens and Phd students. Allow the academics to use this role as their community service part of their annual appraisals so they're not run ragged between that role and Faculty administration work. Similarly make benefits available to entice good quality academics and their families into the warden and deputy warden roles.
I could go on, but you probably get the idea.
Quote from: whiskeysteve on March 19, 2009, 12:43:04 PM
3. Had a look at a prospectus and I was a bit short - 'over 1600 students'. But anyway if you take nifan's figure of total uni accommodation and assuming 80% are 1st year thats 1600 contrasting with 9000 students in the holylands. So this idea that 'vast majority of 1st year students stay in the Halls of Residence' is utterly wrong.
Sorry, I don't know what you are trying to say here. What has the amount of students living in the Holylands got to do with the figure of first years who live in Halls?
QuoteBring back an expanded version of the the old warden system
Do they not still have that.
10 years ago we had a warden and deputy.
Right bitch she was.
Quote from: nifan on March 19, 2009, 01:02:53 PM
QuoteBring back an expanded version of the the old warden system
Do they not still have that.
10 years ago we had a warden and deputy.
Right bitch she was.
Mostly done away with but even ten years ago, it wasn't fully backed by the university i.e. wardens and deputy wardens didn't have the time to take an active role with the students and were merely engaged in "fire-fighting". After a year or two most would get pissed-off and just dish out fines to set an example. The university done nothing to make it an attractive role so only those motivated by saving money went for it. Remember from the student population increased by about 25% and the university did nothing to increase facilities or resources.
I don't believe the universities should even come into this, for example you can't balme a workplace if their staff get drunk and go a bit party mad outside office hours.
The students are all adults and should be treated as such, the fact that they are students should be ignored, they should be dealt with as individuals
For the record - I do think the police overreacted to the situation - riot police to deal with people drinking and carrying on outside - thats not a riot so no call for the riot police.
Bringing the riot police in was obviously going to increase the tension in the area
Quote from: fitzroyalty on March 19, 2009, 11:36:33 AM
Quote from: Donagh on March 19, 2009, 11:32:30 AM
Quote from: SidelineKick on March 19, 2009, 11:30:19 AM
Student?
I know the parents of the one from Lurgan. I'd confidently say he'll not be in the good books for a while after he get's home.
Threw an empty beer box towards police. Goes down as assault and riotous behaviour ???
Does the terminology matter? It's hardly acceptable behaviour - you can't expect to throw something at the Police and get away with it, whether you call it assault or something else.
Quote from: longrunsthefox on March 19, 2009, 11:33:24 AM
Quote from: SidelineKick on March 19, 2009, 11:30:19 AM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on March 19, 2009, 11:28:33 AM
Irish News-What an idiot putting his finger up at the camera after coming out of court yesterday... foolish move
Student?
Not sure but reports say all but one charged are students but the gesture reflects badly on him
Photo here:
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/five-charged-over-street-violence-in-university-area-14232706.html
What a stupid thing to do.
Also, do people not get 'dressed up' for a court appearance anymore? A GAA top and a St.Patrick's day T-Shirt? Hardly the way to impress a judge!
Quote from: Maguire01 on March 19, 2009, 01:38:17 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on March 19, 2009, 11:36:33 AM
Quote from: Donagh on March 19, 2009, 11:32:30 AM
Quote from: SidelineKick on March 19, 2009, 11:30:19 AM
Student?
I know the parents of the one from Lurgan. I'd confidently say he'll not be in the good books for a while after he get's home.
Threw an empty beer box towards police. Goes down as assault and riotous behaviour ???
Does the terminology matter? It's hardly acceptable behaviour - you can't expect to throw something at the Police and get away with it, whether you call it assault or something else.
Bear in mind Maguire bottles were being thrown, cars vandalised, fires started in the middle of the road. Not confused by the terminology just that they couldn't arrest those responsible for the more serious offences.
Quote from: Donagh on March 19, 2009, 12:57:37 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on March 19, 2009, 12:30:38 PM
That seemed to be the impression they were giving last night on BBC/UTV. Queens & UUJ obviously have to shoulder some blame but what other universities can you think of that are in a similar situation? From my experience they are doing all they can to eradicate anti-social behaviour, in my first year we got one complaint after a party one night and straight away were summoned for a disciplinary meeting by both QUB & UUJ. I think the police and City Council have as much responsibility if not more. The threat of sanctions from the unis isn't enough to stop students; more hi-vis police patrols, CCTV and more of these wardens I've been hearing so much about (haven't seen any so far this year) would be a start.
The threat of sanctions doesn't work, but what the universities have to do is enable an environment which fosters a sense of respect among the students. Some suggestions I would have:
1. Open up Halls to a greater number of returning students and international students and mix them in with the 1st years. The older more mature influence would help the 1st years settle in and an older student is more likely to tell them to wise the f**k up.
2. Scrap the fines and have student offenders do 'community service' in Halls or the Holyland. Fines are paid for by parents anyway and only serve to heighten animosity between students and authority figures.
3. Students Union needs to take a more active role organising entertainment in Halls for first years (especially at weekends) that doesn't involve attacting students down for a piss-up to get the money off them. Live music, sports competitions, outings etc... and make sure everyone gets involved. Currently the SU does next to f**k all but feather their own nest.
4. the University should make attendance 100% compulsory, prioritise 9am lectures for 1st years and roll out a system of personal tutors where academics have a personal mentoring role with 1st year students
5. Bring back an expanded version of the the old warden system (talking 20+ years ago) where university academics oversaw blocks or groups of students living in Halls and support this with lots of deputy wardens and Phd students. Allow the academics to use this role as their community service part of their annual appraisals so they're not run ragged between that role and Faculty administration work. Similarly make benefits available to entice good quality academics and their families into the warden and deputy warden roles.
I could go on, but you probably get the idea.
All sensible points Donagh but there is NO persuading the hundreds of Armagh, Tyrone, Derry & Fermanagh school leavers with their heart set on a 'wee house in the Holylands', no matter how many measures are taken. I've always got the impression that those most likely to live in halls are medicine, pharmacy, law etc as well as the more mature 1st year students; whereas those doing so-called 'lesser' courses would be more inclined to live in the Holyland.
Quote from: Maguire01 on March 19, 2009, 01:45:12 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on March 19, 2009, 11:33:24 AM
Quote from: SidelineKick on March 19, 2009, 11:30:19 AM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on March 19, 2009, 11:28:33 AM
Irish News-What an idiot putting his finger up at the camera after coming out of court yesterday... foolish move
Student?
Not sure but reports say all but one charged are students but the gesture reflects badly on him
Photo here:
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/five-charged-over-street-violence-in-university-area-14232706.html
What a stupid thing to do.
Also, do people not get 'dressed up' for a court appearance anymore? A GAA top and a St.Patrick's day T-Shirt? Hardly the way to impress a judge!
some of the pictures would support the claims that 'spide's were involved in the bottle throwing as some look too young to be university age.
Quote from: Maguire01 on March 19, 2009, 01:45:12 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on March 19, 2009, 11:33:24 AM
Quote from: SidelineKick on March 19, 2009, 11:30:19 AM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on March 19, 2009, 11:28:33 AM
Irish News-What an idiot putting his finger up at the camera after coming out of court yesterday... foolish move
Student?
Not sure but reports say all but one charged are students but the gesture reflects badly on him
Photo here:
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/five-charged-over-street-violence-in-university-area-14232706.html
What a stupid thing to do.
Also, do people not get 'dressed up' for a court appearance anymore? A GAA top and a St.Patrick's day T-Shirt? Hardly the way to impress a judge!
Very much doubt he was afforded the chance to go home and change ::)
"A special police team has been set up to investigate the disturbances in the Holyland area of south Belfast on St Patrick's Day.
The team will gather CCTV footage and liaise with the universities to identify those responsible. It will begin its work on Monday.
Detective Inspector Chris Millar said drunken, disorderly and destructive behaviour would not be tolerated."
Quite a contrast to the efforts made to bring the Holy Cross perpetrators to justice.
We should restore the ancient Irish tradition of fostering. Youngsters should be given a manners test at the age of six and those who fail should be taken from their parents, large numbers of whom don't seem to have the haziest idea of how to bring up their kids with a sense of respect and duty and fostered out to families in continental Europe who seem to have it cracked for the most part. Judging by the normal behaviour I observe in continental youngsters (you know - basics like good manners, respect, interest in society, willingness to participate and contribute) that would greatly diminish the likelihood of raising a cohort of unsocialised bowsies (of both sexes) who seem comfortable with behaving like animals.
When did you last see or hear of third level students in France, Spain or Italy having to be corralled by police because they haven't yet learned the basics of civilised behaviour or the minimal skills of living in and contributing to a community?
Oh - and raise the legal drinking age to 25, at least until the incidence of anti-social and feral behaviour among 18-25 year-olds begins to approach the levels that are normal in the rest of the civilised world.
Quote from: Hardy on March 19, 2009, 03:04:28 PM
We should restore the ancient Irish tradition of fostering. Youngsters should be given a manners test at the age of six and those who fail should be taken from their parents, large numbers of whom don't seem to have the haziest idea of how to bring up their kids with a sense of respect and duty and fostered out to families in continental Europe who seem to have it cracked for the most part. Judging by the normal behaviour I observe in continental youngsters (you know - basics like good manners, respect, interest in society, willingness to participate and contribute) that would greatly diminish the likelihood of raising a cohort of unsocialised bowsies (of both sexes) who seem comfortable with behaving like animals.
When did you last see or hear of third level students in France, Spain or Italy having to be corralled by police because they haven't yet learned the basics of civilised behaviour or the minimal skills of living in and contributing to a community?
Oh - and raise the legal drinking age to 25, at least until the incidence of anti-social and feral behaviour among 18-25 year-olds begins to approach the levels that are normal in the rest of the civilised world.
agree with most of that, I'd go further and have the parents do a manners test too
if the kids misbehave - then fine them and the parents !
Quote from: Hardy on March 19, 2009, 03:04:28 PM
We should restore the ancient Irish tradition of fostering. Youngsters should be given a manners test at the age of six and those who fail should be taken from their parents, large numbers of whom don't seem to have the haziest idea of how to bring up their kids with a sense of respect and duty and fostered out to families in continental Europe who seem to have it cracked for the most part. Judging by the normal behaviour I observe in continental youngsters (you know - basics like good manners, respect, interest in society, willingness to participate and contribute) that would greatly diminish the likelihood of raising a cohort of unsocialised bowsies (of both sexes) who seem comfortable with behaving like animals.
When did you last see or hear of third level students in France, Spain or Italy having to be corralled by police because they haven't yet learned the basics of civilised behaviour or the minimal skills of living in and contributing to a community?
Oh - and raise the legal drinking age to 25, at least until the incidence of anti-social and feral behaviour among 18-25 year-olds begins to approach the levels that are normal in the rest of the civilised world.
It is highly unlikely an incident like this would be reported in papers we read here. With the racism and trouble at Italian soccer games and riots and looting in France a few years ago it is reassuring that you know all the third level students stayed indoors out of trouble ::)
Fox - I have travelled a good bit in France, Spain and Italy. The contrast, in general terms, between the behaviour of youngsters there, on the one hand and here and in the UK on the other is remarkable. The one consistent factor I can pinpoint is the fact that alcohol abuse is seen as the opposite of cool amongst continental youngsters, whereas we all know the contrasting attitude in this part of the world. Another noticeable fact is that people on the continent tend to socialise in family and multi-age groups, rather than congregating based on their age cohort. However, even where youngsters do congregate in large numbers (inside and outside of late night clubs, for instance, in large and often very noisy gatherings), I have never experienced a threatening atmosphere or a fear of being hit with a bottle. In fact there is rarely even drunkeness.
That's my experience.
That's not how you put it the first time!! but yeah while there is terrible agression here but we don't have the monopoly on it.
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on March 19, 2009, 03:39:46 PM
Main problem as I see it is that the Holyland is now an effective student ghetto, mostly made up of students from within N.I. outside of Greater Belfast. This isn't so bad in itself but its the atmosphere that drives it into what is very much an "anything goes" type atmosphere. And it pretty much is anything goes without the consequences being thought about. It's hard to put the finger exactly on what it is about it but I can clearly see an outsider being rather intimidated about it. The local spide population also does not help these matter, neither side is exclusively to blame, or be blameless. The place has now had a reputation for years and it is this reputation that drives people up to places like it for St. Patrick's festivities - this isn't the first time there's been reports of clashes between students and the police on St. Patrick's day this decade. I also remember five years ago a BBC Spotlight programme focused on alleged anti-social behaviour amongst students living in the area. Some students, who had been watching the show at special "parties" organised responded by, well, being anti-social! You can't blame that on people invited up from the bushes for a piss up. Nothing has been learned in that regard. Looking at the front page of the Irish News yesterday there was a lad from Fintona who was wearing a local GAA club jersey whom I know definitely isn't a student.
Still, once again the next time, water cannons.
This happened directly outside my house on Agin court Ave. and like most of these things it starts from nothing. A few people were roaring out their doors, so we opened our door to see what the roaring was about. Palestine St ones then started shouting and roaring. A local resident (who was completely airlocked) then went to confront some of them, this in turn led to more encouragement to take the piss out of him. The more this went on the more people came to watch. It ended up coming to a head at the corner of Palestine St and Agincourt. Crowds gathered, then the cops came to see what was going on, a few bottles were thrown at them so more came. Completely escalated from a few roars to what was portrayed as some kind of protest! I will never forget Alex Maskey standing on top of somebody's car to address the crowd :D
Anyone know this keenan clown who's on the front of the IN today?
No don't know him. Looks like a real jack the lad, he's cool as f**k. What would seriously have been going through his head to do that? Twit.
Does he think the resident magistrate doesn't read the papers? They'll throw the book at him.
Quote from: fitzroyalty on March 19, 2009, 02:00:52 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on March 19, 2009, 01:45:12 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on March 19, 2009, 11:33:24 AM
Quote from: SidelineKick on March 19, 2009, 11:30:19 AM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on March 19, 2009, 11:28:33 AM
Irish News-What an idiot putting his finger up at the camera after coming out of court yesterday... foolish move
Student?
Not sure but reports say all but one charged are students but the gesture reflects badly on him
Photo here:
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/five-charged-over-street-violence-in-university-area-14232706.html
What a stupid thing to do.
Also, do people not get 'dressed up' for a court appearance anymore? A GAA top and a St.Patrick's day T-Shirt? Hardly the way to impress a judge!
Very much doubt he was afforded the chance to go home and change ::)
Yep, you're probably right. Didn't think of that.
I see the St. Patricks Day T-Shirt says 'I spent St.Patrick's Day 2009 at the Hatfield'! Well half of it anway.
Quote from: Maguire01 on March 19, 2009, 06:05:47 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on March 19, 2009, 02:00:52 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on March 19, 2009, 01:45:12 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on March 19, 2009, 11:33:24 AM
Quote from: SidelineKick on March 19, 2009, 11:30:19 AM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on March 19, 2009, 11:28:33 AM
Irish News-What an idiot putting his finger up at the camera after coming out of court yesterday... foolish move
Student?
Not sure but reports say all but one charged are students but the gesture reflects badly on him
Photo here:
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/five-charged-over-street-violence-in-university-area-14232706.html
What a stupid thing to do.
Also, do people not get 'dressed up' for a court appearance anymore? A GAA top and a St.Patrick's day T-Shirt? Hardly the way to impress a judge!
Very much doubt he was afforded the chance to go home and change ::)
Yep, you're probably right. Didn't think of that.
I see the St. Patricks Day T-Shirt says 'I spent St.Patrick's Day 2009 at the Hatfield'! Well half of it anway.
It says on the back I spent st patricks night 2009 in the slammer!
Quote from: Minder on March 19, 2009, 09:11:03 AM
Quote from: thebigfella on March 19, 2009, 09:02:22 AM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on March 18, 2009, 10:30:39 PM
TYP, I know where you are coming from but I think you are way off on this one. My wife and I have friends in the area with a young baby - the scumbags (whether students or locals, I don't care which) have been at this carry-on on St Paddy's Day for a number of years till all hours of the night. If the PSNI had dealt with them properly, I would have applauded them. Coppers in riot gear doing nothing but standing there letting people throw stuff at them is bullshit though.
Not defending anyone but what's has having a young baby got to do with this whole thing? Are these scumbags, as you call them, going around and sacrificing the first born of everyone.
I take it he is alluding to the fact that if you have a young baby the last thing you want is a pile of go*shites wrecking and smashing at all hours.
You got it in one Minder.
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on March 19, 2009, 06:35:35 PM
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TYP, I know where you are coming from but I think you are way off on this one. My wife and I have friends in the area with a young baby - the scumbags (whether students or locals, I don't care which) have been at this carry-on on St Paddy's Day for a number of years till all hours of the night. If the PSNI had dealt with them properly, I would have applauded them. Coppers in riot gear doing nothing but standing there letting people throw stuff at them is bullshit though.
Not defending anyone but what's has having a young baby got to do with this whole thing? Are these scumbags, as you call them, going around and sacrificing the first born of everyone.
I take it he is alluding to the fact that if you have a young baby the last thing you want is a pile of go*shites wrecking and smashing at all hours.
You got it in one Minder.
anyone moving into the holylands with a young family need their heads examined. no excuse for all that wrecking about all the same, i'd say the courts will produce heavy fines and i'd say any students caught involved in serious anti-social behaviour will be made an example of and kicked out.
Quote from: Donagh on March 19, 2009, 10:31:19 AM
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Quote from: Donagh on March 19, 2009, 10:07:53 AM
Firstly to compare this incident with what happened in Lurgan is simply ridiculous. On the one hand you had a few children playing a being bigshots and in the Holyland you had young adults who should have know a lot better behaving like children. Both may have been fuelled by too much alcohol. In both incidents the PSNI acted in a proportionate way so as to ensure the situations were contained and didn't escalate.
Yeah, a few children with petrol bombs & a few young adults with bottles
I know which is worse ::)
The second part of your statement seems like you are a spokesman for the cops?
Are you?
Well there were more people injured by the young adults with bottles in three hours than were injured by the children in Lurgan over three days.
What because I refuse to defend the behaviour of drunken students, I'm accused of being a spokesman for the PSNI? No I'm not a spokesman for the PSNI but will I not defend the actions of students who are a disgrace to themselves and their families nor will I defend the university authorities who are happy to take the money from these students and then abandon them to the Holylands ghetto.
when did the universities start deciding where students live??
Quote from: charlie stubbs on March 19, 2009, 07:04:28 PM
when did the universities start deciding where students live??
I suppose by having inadequate provision of on-campus accommodation, they've helped create the current situation. They're not solely to blame by a long shot, but they're not blameless either.
Quote from: Donagh on March 19, 2009, 12:09:59 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on March 19, 2009, 12:00:28 PM
The universities will probably make an example of a few people, then go back to paying lip service. In anycase I think its unfair the amount of pressure on the universities, they didn't create the student ghetto.
As for the assault charge I know that technically it is assault, but I was a bit shocked that out of the 20 or so arrested and of the 5 that had charges pressed this was what it was for, compared to what else went on
I'll be very surprised if the universities 'make an example' of them by expelling anyone as at the end of the day they have a pastoral responsibility for these students and will realise that it's not fair to chuck them out for behaviour that goes on every night of the week by hundreds of other students. As I mentioned earlier, for too long the university authorities have ignored what students get up to after 5pm and as such are responsible for allowing students to think this kind of behaviour is acceptable.
you would be half shot by that time donagh causing an "assault" singing a stupid aul song!
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Quote from: whiskeysteve on March 19, 2009, 11:54:35 AM
1. The PSNI were able to contain the rowdy element so that they weren't able to cause trouble and bother anywhere else. So what if they got frustrated, the locals have been frustrated with them for years.
Nonsense. Trouble escalated after they sealed the street off. Totally avoidable and unnecessary. Revellers were told to get into the nearest house or face being arrested. Dispersing the crowd would make much more sense, and many students drawn to Carmel by what went on wanted to the leave the area anyway. I can't help thinking the PSNI got what they wanted on Tuesday, they said beforehand they were going to be 'robust' and with their actions got they got the conditions in which they could act in such a way. It doesn't take a genius to figure how several hundred students are going to react when locked up on a street.
disagree i walked down carmel 4 a nosey sober and there was sum right wee wankers down it. i like the drink and craic as much as anyone else but u would need catch yourself on if u think the cops where to blame. of what i saw they where quiet lenient there was a fire in the middle of the road peope where coming in and adding to it stayed back and did nothing. saw the two boys in the irish news that where trying wreck the landrover they not so chirpy now i would bet. another ladthat was of the "carmel 4" was few years younger than me at school. got my bus havent ever heard him speak. proves when the drink in the wits out
Quote from: qub la la la on March 19, 2009, 06:53:43 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on March 19, 2009, 06:35:35 PM
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Quote from: ardmhachaabu on March 18, 2009, 10:30:39 PM
TYP, I know where you are coming from but I think you are way off on this one. My wife and I have friends in the area with a young baby - the scumbags (whether students or locals, I don't care which) have been at this carry-on on St Paddy's Day for a number of years till all hours of the night. If the PSNI had dealt with them properly, I would have applauded them. Coppers in riot gear doing nothing but standing there letting people throw stuff at them is bullshit though.
Not defending anyone but what's has having a young baby got to do with this whole thing? Are these scumbags, as you call them, going around and sacrificing the first born of everyone.
I take it he is alluding to the fact that if you have a young baby the last thing you want is a pile of go*shites wrecking and smashing at all hours.
You got it in one Minder.
anyone moving into the holylands with a young family need their heads examined. no excuse for all that wrecking about all the same, i'd say the courts will produce heavy fines and i'd say any students caught involved in serious anti-social behaviour will be made an example of and kicked out.
Oh right, well they have only lived there for 20 years ::)
I hope those arrested get lengthy sentences. I only wish the PSNI had knocked seven shades of shit out of them and their mates when it was going on though
Quote from: fitzroyalty on March 19, 2009, 12:30:38 PM
Quote from: Donagh on March 19, 2009, 12:09:59 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on March 19, 2009, 12:00:28 PM
The universities will probably make an example of a few people, then go back to paying lip service. In anycase I think its unfair the amount of pressure on the universities, they didn't create the student ghetto.
As for the assault charge I know that technically it is assault, but I was a bit shocked that out of the 20 or so arrested and of the 5 that had charges pressed this was what it was for, compared to what else went on
I'll be very surprised if the universities 'make an example' of them by expelling anyone as at the end of the day they have a pastoral responsibility for these students and will realise that it's not fair to chuck them out for behaviour that goes on every night of the week by hundreds of other students. As I mentioned earlier, for too long the university authorities have ignored what students get up to after 5pm and as such are responsible for allowing students to think this kind of behaviour is acceptable.
That seemed to be the impression they were giving last night on BBC/UTV. Queens & UUJ obviously have to shoulder some blame but what other universities can you think of that are in a similar situation? From my experience they are doing all they can to eradicate anti-social behaviour, in my first year we got one complaint after a party one night and straight away were summoned for a disciplinary meeting by both QUB & UUJ. I think the police and City Council have as much responsibility if not more. The threat of sanctions from the unis isn't enough to stop students; more hi-vis police patrols, CCTV and more of these wardens I've been hearing so much about (haven't seen any so far this year) would be a start.
would agree cctv would help stop some of the trouble. im not just talking about the big days eg freshers week paddys day im talking about wankers kicking and wrecking cars/houses on your average wed night.
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on March 19, 2009, 07:22:12 PM
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Quote from: ardmhachaabu on March 18, 2009, 10:30:39 PM
TYP, I know where you are coming from but I think you are way off on this one. My wife and I have friends in the area with a young baby - the scumbags (whether students or locals, I don't care which) have been at this carry-on on St Paddy's Day for a number of years till all hours of the night. If the PSNI had dealt with them properly, I would have applauded them. Coppers in riot gear doing nothing but standing there letting people throw stuff at them is bullshit though.
Not defending anyone but what's has having a young baby got to do with this whole thing? Are these scumbags, as you call them, going around and sacrificing the first born of everyone.
I take it he is alluding to the fact that if you have a young baby the last thing you want is a pile of go*shites wrecking and smashing at all hours.
You got it in one Minder.
anyone moving into the holylands with a young family need their heads examined. no excuse for all that wrecking about all the same, i'd say the courts will produce heavy fines and i'd say any students caught involved in serious anti-social behaviour will be made an example of and kicked out.
Oh right, well they have only lived there for 20 years ::)
I hope those arrested get lengthy sentences. I only wish the PSNI had knocked seven shades of shit out of them and their mates when it was going on though
if they have lived there 20 years and only now hav a young baby, i imagine they've been students and got together and for the love of the holylands decided to stay on. if the PSNI has knocked 7 shades of shite outta them there would some crying and yapping about police brutality. wise up.
Quote from: qub la la la on March 19, 2009, 07:25:15 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on March 19, 2009, 07:22:12 PM
Quote from: qub la la la on March 19, 2009, 06:53:43 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on March 19, 2009, 06:35:35 PM
Quote from: Minder on March 19, 2009, 09:11:03 AM
Quote from: thebigfella on March 19, 2009, 09:02:22 AM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on March 18, 2009, 10:30:39 PM
TYP, I know where you are coming from but I think you are way off on this one. My wife and I have friends in the area with a young baby - the scumbags (whether students or locals, I don't care which) have been at this carry-on on St Paddy's Day for a number of years till all hours of the night. If the PSNI had dealt with them properly, I would have applauded them. Coppers in riot gear doing nothing but standing there letting people throw stuff at them is bullshit though.
Not defending anyone but what's has having a young baby got to do with this whole thing? Are these scumbags, as you call them, going around and sacrificing the first born of everyone.
I take it he is alluding to the fact that if you have a young baby the last thing you want is a pile of go*shites wrecking and smashing at all hours.
You got it in one Minder.
anyone moving into the holylands with a young family need their heads examined. no excuse for all that wrecking about all the same, i'd say the courts will produce heavy fines and i'd say any students caught involved in serious anti-social behaviour will be made an example of and kicked out.
Oh right, well they have only lived there for 20 years ::)
I hope those arrested get lengthy sentences. I only wish the PSNI had knocked seven shades of shit out of them and their mates when it was going on though
if they have lived there 20 years and only now hav a young baby, i imagine they've been students and got together and for the love of the holylands decided to stay on. if the PSNI has knocked 7 shades of shite outta them there would some crying and yapping about police brutality. wise up.
Quite frankly, it's none of your business why they are there or anything else. The fact of the matter is that they are regularly disturbed by the sort of scumbags we saw on the TV on Paddy's night.
Oh and I wouldn't have been crying or yapping about police brutality, I would applaud it.
Quote from: Hardy on March 19, 2009, 03:04:28 PM
We should restore the ancient Irish tradition of fostering. Youngsters should be given a manners test at the age of six and those who fail should be taken from their parents, large numbers of whom don't seem to have the haziest idea of how to bring up their kids with a sense of respect and duty and fostered out to families in continental Europe who seem to have it cracked for the most part. Judging by the normal behaviour I observe in continental youngsters (you know - basics like good manners, respect, interest in society, willingness to participate and contribute) that would greatly diminish the likelihood of raising a cohort of unsocialised bowsies (of both sexes) who seem comfortable with behaving like animals.
When did you last see or hear of third level students in France, Spain or Italy having to be corralled by police because they haven't yet learned the basics of civilised behaviour or the minimal skills of living in and contributing to a community?
Oh - and raise the legal drinking age to 25, at least until the incidence of anti-social and feral behaviour among 18-25 year-olds begins to approach the levels that are normal in the rest of the civilised world.
Great idea.
I dont see how universities can be blamed, I dont see why they are responsible. Universities should not have to babysit young (supposedly educated) men and women at 18+ years of age.
Maybe queens should take the inititative and organise open air concert on st paddys day ?(with security provided)
better the devil you know.
Quote from: stiffler on March 19, 2009, 08:57:19 PM
Maybe queens should take the inititative and organise open air concert on st paddys day ?(with security provided)
better the devil you know.
I like your thinking Stiffler. Carrot and stick. Ban drinking in the Holy Land and herd them all into Batonic Gardens. It might work lad.
Didn't Queen's organise something for this St. Patrick's?
I used to enjoy the ceilis. Used to be a man that toured the ceilis in Tyrone. Sweaty Dessie was his name. Man, he loved to dance.
Quote from: ziggysego on March 19, 2009, 10:13:04 PM
I used to enjoy the ceilis. Used to be a man that toured the ceilis in Tyrone. Sweaty Dessie was his name. Man, he loved to dance.
You sure it wasn't Davey?
I think he was from Castlederg. Not sure.
Nearly sure it was Dessie.
Quote from: Guillem2 on March 19, 2009, 09:57:43 PM
I like your thinking Stiffler. Carrot and stick. Ban drinking in the Holy Land and herd them all into Batonic Gardens. It might work lad.
Batonic gardens - riot police - very droll.
I was in oneills over in liverpool, the place starting serving at 9 in the morning. by 10 when I arrived there was a queue to get in! not one bit of trouble all day or night!
The presence of the riot police looked to be overkill and as lads have said drew in crowd. A uniformed police presence may have worked better.
However if that was my car smashed up I'd be absolutely ripping, what a bollock of an insurance form that'll be to fill in.
The fella giving the finger to the camera should be made example off and placed in stocks and flogged, as the eejit throwing stuff at the cops.
But the trouble at paddys day is a results of our binge drinking culture, fellas getting drunk for getting drunksake. Getting drunk to forget
I see in the Gaelic Life this morning the main headline is that the GAA should take action against holyland thugs WTF. Are they now looking to suspend people from GAA for shouting at RUC/PSNI in holylands absolute bullshit sure while we are at it we should be getting Celtic football club to take action as well. Actually liked getting Gaelic Life on a Friday will seriously consider buying it again carrying headlines like that its supposed to be a sports paper bullshit
Quote from: YogiBear on March 20, 2009, 09:41:22 AM
I see in the Gaelic Life this morning the main headline is that the GAA should take action against holyland thugs WTF. Are they now looking to suspend people from GAA for shouting at RUC/PSNI in holylands absolute bullshit sure while we are at it we should be getting Celtic football club to take action as well. Actually liked getting Gaelic Life on a Friday will seriously consider buying it again carrying headlines like that its supposed to be a sports paper bullshit
i thought it was a wee bit stupid for the GL to have it on their front page??????? :o
T O'Hare were you up in the Holylands on Paddy's day?
No i wasn't,and i wouldn't partke is any loutish behaviour as you well know ;)
Quote from: YogiBear on March 20, 2009, 09:41:22 AM
I see in the Gaelic Life this morning the main headline is that the GAA should take action against holyland thugs WTF. Are they now looking to suspend people from GAA for shouting at RUC/PSNI in holylands absolute bullshit sure while we are at it we should be getting Celtic football club to take action as well. Actually liked getting Gaelic Life on a Friday will seriously consider buying it again carrying headlines like that its supposed to be a sports paper bullshit
Whilst it's not the GAA's responsibility, there were numerous GAA tops evident in the pictures broadcast and published. This doesn't do the GAA any favours (and is used as a stick to beat the GAA in certain sections of the media).
It might just be in the interest of clubs to have a quiet word with some of the offending people and make them aware of the consequences of their actions and the impact of this on the GAA. Scroll up this thread and see reference to a club jersey - no club wants that publicity. I don't think it should be about suspending people from the GAA, but maybe a few words from their club back home may make them think twice - indeed their club may have more influence over them than anything the University might do.
Quote from: Maguire01 on March 20, 2009, 12:40:18 PM
It might just be in the interest of clubs to have a quiet word with some of the offending people and make them aware of the consequences of their actions and the impact of this on the GAA. Scroll up this thread and see reference to a club jersey - no club wants that publicity. I don't think it should be about suspending people from the GAA, but maybe a few words from their club back home may make them think twice - indeed their club may have more influence over them than anything the University might do.
You're right there, it was my club and the fella wearing it is certainly not from there. Fuckin tool he is anyway. Looked awful bad because alot of people have said to me "did you see the Loup jersey on the news?" and to make matters worse alot of these people didn't know he wasn't from there. Wee w**ker.
Anyone wearing a club jersey should wear it as an ambassador for the club and told that. County jerseys are often fashion symbols now like Man U and all that crap worn by people who may have no affinity to that county.
Quote from: YogiBear on March 20, 2009, 09:41:22 AM
I see in the Gaelic Life this morning the main headline is that the GAA should take action against holyland thugs WTF. Are they now looking to suspend people from GAA for shouting at RUC/PSNI in holylands absolute bullshit sure while we are at it we should be getting Celtic football club to take action as well. Actually liked getting Gaelic Life on a Friday will seriously consider buying it again carrying headlines like that its supposed to be a sports paper bullshit
I'd take anything coming from the mouth of Alastair McDonnell with a pinch of salt. I'd suggest he'd be better off commenting on the overcrowding in the holylands, and the way that many, many landlords treat the student population as a cash cow
Quote from: YogiBear on March 20, 2009, 09:41:22 AM
I see in the Gaelic Life this morning the main headline is that the GAA should take action against holyland thugs WTF. Are they now looking to suspend people from GAA for shouting at RUC/PSNI in holylands absolute bullshit sure while we are at it we should be getting Celtic football club to take action as well. Actually liked getting Gaelic Life on a Friday will seriously consider buying it again carrying headlines like that its supposed to be a sports paper bullshit
Complete nonsense. Who came out with this? We have enough problems of our own to deal with inside the Association without trying to take on the law and order of drunken idiots as well.
Quote from: YogiBear on March 20, 2009, 09:41:22 AM
Actually liked getting Gaelic Life on a Friday will seriously consider buying it again carrying headlines like that its supposed to be a sports paper bullshit
Actually it set itself up as a paper to talk about all aspects of Gaelic Life, not just the sports themselves, so whether you agree with their opinion or not, it's arguably well within their remit.
Quote from: tyrone86 on March 20, 2009, 01:20:55 PM
I'd take anything coming from the mouth of Alastair McDonnell with a pinch of salt. I'd suggest he'd be better off commenting on the overcrowding in the holylands, and the way that many, many landlords treat the student population as a cash cow
Sure that would be a conflict of interest i.e. Alastair McDonnell is a landlord.
Quote from: Donagh on March 20, 2009, 02:12:19 PM
Quote from: tyrone86 on March 20, 2009, 01:20:55 PM
I'd take anything coming from the mouth of Alastair McDonnell with a pinch of salt. I'd suggest he'd be better off commenting on the overcrowding in the holylands, and the way that many, many landlords treat the student population as a cash cow
Sure that would be a conflict of interest i.e. Alastair McDonnell is a landlord.
There may have been an element of tongue in cheek in the latter part of my previous comment.
Quote from: Donagh on March 20, 2009, 02:12:19 PM
Quote from: tyrone86 on March 20, 2009, 01:20:55 PM
I'd take anything coming from the mouth of Alastair McDonnell with a pinch of salt. I'd suggest he'd be better off commenting on the overcrowding in the holylands, and the way that many, many landlords treat the student population as a cash cow
Sure that would be a conflict of interest i.e. Alastair McDonnell is a landlord.
I paid £225 of my trainee accountant wages to him back in 2002/3. When we left, he had the agent round to arrange putting up a stud wall to make half of a through lounge into a bedroom.
Quote from: youngfella on March 20, 2009, 01:07:10 AM
I was in oneills over in liverpool, the place starting serving at 9 in the morning. by 10 when I arrived there was a queue to get in! not one bit of trouble all day or night!
you sure it wasnt a line to get out?
Quote from: YogiBear on March 20, 2009, 09:41:22 AM
I see in the Gaelic Life this morning the main headline is that the GAA should take action against holyland thugs WTF. Are they now looking to suspend people from GAA for shouting at RUC/PSNI in holylands absolute bullshit sure while we are at it we should be getting Celtic football club to take action as well. Actually liked getting Gaelic Life on a Friday will seriously consider buying it again carrying headlines like that its supposed to be a sports paper bullshit
Who comes up with this nonsense? its more akin to a daily star headline.
Il for one wont be buying it again after coming out with this dross to fill a front page!
Quote from: T O Hare on March 20, 2009, 11:23:25 AM
No i wasn't,and i wouldn't partke is any loutish behaviour as you well know ;)
tom you would partake in the old sing song though ;)
Quote from: charlie stubbs on March 20, 2009, 05:55:32 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on March 20, 2009, 11:23:25 AM
No i wasn't,and i wouldn't partke is any loutish behaviour as you well know ;)
tom you would partake in the old sing song though ;)
As would you Charles, I seem to remember you doing a great version of a certain song one day ;) :D
Quote from: SidelineKick on March 20, 2009, 05:59:17 PM
Quote from: charlie stubbs on March 20, 2009, 05:55:32 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on March 20, 2009, 11:23:25 AM
No i wasn't,and i wouldn't partke is any loutish behaviour as you well know ;)
tom you would partake in the old sing song though ;)
As would you Charles, I seem to remember you doing a great version of a certain song one day ;) :D
what song would this be? Mika?
Quote from: Maguire01 on March 20, 2009, 12:40:18 PM
Quote from: YogiBear on March 20, 2009, 09:41:22 AM
I see in the Gaelic Life this morning the main headline is that the GAA should take action against holyland thugs WTF. Are they now looking to suspend people from GAA for shouting at RUC/PSNI in holylands absolute bullshit sure while we are at it we should be getting Celtic football club to take action as well. Actually liked getting Gaelic Life on a Friday will seriously consider buying it again carrying headlines like that its supposed to be a sports paper bullshit
Whilst it's not the GAA's responsibility, there were numerous GAA tops evident in the pictures broadcast and published. This doesn't do the GAA any favours (and is used as a stick to beat the GAA in certain sections of the media).
It might just be in the interest of clubs to have a quiet word with some of the offending people and make them aware of the consequences of their actions and the impact of this on the GAA. Scroll up this thread and see reference to a club jersey - no club wants that publicity. I don't think it should be about suspending people from the GAA, but maybe a few words from their club back home may make them think twice - indeed their club may have more influence over them than anything the University might do.
in my experience students wud wake up in a house and throw the 1st top they see on them. e.g. might be an armagh boy living with a derry boy and they might be wearing the others hoddy. or mates from different counties buying their mates/being given/stealing(t o hare :D) their club jersey. what exactly they going to say to the student anyway? you where drunk 6 months before the championship you wont be starting?
Quote from: stiffler on March 20, 2009, 06:01:58 PM
Quote from: SidelineKick on March 20, 2009, 05:59:17 PM
Quote from: charlie stubbs on March 20, 2009, 05:55:32 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on March 20, 2009, 11:23:25 AM
No i wasn't,and i wouldn't partke is any loutish behaviour as you well know ;)
tom you would partake in the old sing song though ;)
As would you Charles, I seem to remember you doing a great version of a certain song one day ;) :D
what song would this be? Mika?
:D correct!
Quote from: SidelineKick on March 20, 2009, 05:59:17 PM
Quote from: charlie stubbs on March 20, 2009, 05:55:32 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on March 20, 2009, 11:23:25 AM
No i wasn't,and i wouldn't partke is any loutish behaviour as you well know ;)
tom you would partake in the old sing song though ;)
As would you Charles, I seem to remember you doing a great version of a certain song one day ;) :D
fell in with the wrong crowd.lol
Seven students in trouble arrests
Trouble broke out in the area on Sat Patrick's Day
Seven of the 19 people arrested during St Patrick's Day trouble in south Belfast's Holyland area were students at the University of Ulster.
The university has said of those, one has been charged and police inquiries into the other six are continuing.
It added that its own disciplinary procedures would not be limited to those arrested or charged.
House parties in the area spilled onto the streets before the trouble, and a minority threw missiles at police.
A car was also burnt-out.
Vice-Chancellor Professor Richard Barnett said any of students found to have brought the university into disrepute would face disciplinary action.
"Whilst recognising that the vast majority of our students are socially responsible and hard working, a handful of students has brought disgrace to their fellow students and to the university, and misery to local residents," he said.
"They must be under no illusion that this type of behaviour will be tolerated or excused.
"We will be working closely with Belfast City Council and other agencies to address the complex situation that has given rise to this problem."
Queen's University has said one of their students was amongst the 19 people arrested.
saw this on the bbc website, only 8 out of the 19 students
Charlie, the holylands have went down hill since you left, Mickey Linden passed down his knowledge to you, I dont think that you spread the gospel!!!!!!! :D :D
Quote from: youngfella on March 20, 2009, 01:07:10 AM
I was in oneills over in liverpool, the place starting serving at 9 in the morning. by 10 when I arrived there was a queue to get in! not one bit of trouble all day or night!
The presence of the riot police looked to be overkill and as lads have said drew in crowd. A uniformed police presence may have worked better.
However if that was my car smashed up I'd be absolutely ripping, what a bollock of an insurance form that'll be to fill in.
The fella giving the finger to the camera should be made example off and placed in stocks and flogged, as the eejit throwing stuff at the cops.
But the trouble at paddys day is a results of our binge drinking culture, fellas getting drunk for getting drunksake. Getting drunk to forget
I was there 2 years ago....Was bunged by 8.30 in the morning and not a bit of trouble all day long!!
Think i was drunk then sober then drunk again about 3 times that day!!
where was the car burnt out?
on carmel street
There was no car burnt out.
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on March 20, 2009, 06:44:47 PM
Quote from: youngfella on March 20, 2009, 01:07:10 AM
I was in oneills over in liverpool, the place starting serving at 9 in the morning. by 10 when I arrived there was a queue to get in! not one bit of trouble all day or night!
The presence of the riot police looked to be overkill and as lads have said drew in crowd. A uniformed police presence may have worked better.
However if that was my car smashed up I'd be absolutely ripping, what a bollock of an insurance form that'll be to fill in.
The fella giving the finger to the camera should be made example off and placed in stocks and flogged, as the eejit throwing stuff at the cops.
But the trouble at paddys day is a results of our binge drinking culture, fellas getting drunk for getting drunksake. Getting drunk to forget
I was there 2 years ago....Was bunged by 8.30 in the morning and not a bit of trouble all day long!!
Think i was drunk then sober then drunk again about 3 times that day!!
Prob ran into ya there then. Unreal craic, savage spot :D
http://holylandswarzone.blogspot.com/2009/03/aftermath-part-one.html
This blog is good craic. Its by some head the ball resident.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on March 21, 2009, 12:34:02 AM
There was no car burnt out.
there was surely a car set in fire after it had been smashed
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7955644.stm
I passed that Clio as it was getting toed away - definitely wasn't burnt out, though there could have been another burnt.
Quote from: Donagh on March 21, 2009, 03:14:29 PM
I passed that Clio as it was getting toed away - definitely wasn't burnt out, though there could have been another burnt.
was thinking that because i was in carmel street and the clio wasnt burnt out! never even seen any burnt out cars or fire brigade around the holylands all day!
Quote from: armagh leg-end on March 21, 2009, 05:26:54 PM
Quote from: Donagh on March 21, 2009, 03:14:29 PM
I passed that Clio as it was getting toed away - definitely wasn't burnt out, though there could have been another burnt.
was thinking that because i was in carmel street and the clio wasnt burnt out! never even seen any burnt out cars or fire brigade around the holylands all day!
Heard reports that the seats where on fire, but was put out before the whole thing was burnt out
Quote from: AFS on March 21, 2009, 02:07:54 AM
http://holylandswarzone.blogspot.com/2009/03/aftermath-part-one.html
That man has serious issues. After lamenting the loss of the non sectarian, pro working class holyland area, he goes on to blame the taigs. Good man yourself.
Was talking to a relation of one of those charged and he said that the young lad was denied access to the toilet all night while he was being interviewed with inevitable results. Standard operating procedure when dealing with suspected subsersives, and I'm sure the 17 year old in Antrim is going through a lot worse, but surely a bit over the top dealing with such minor offences.
While reading the posts of the "Tyrone to Gaza" thread over the past few weeks I have come to believe that the board has become more mature in its non gaa opinions. But having read this thread it is obvious that if you give a laptop to a student they will use this medium to try and justify their disguting behaviour in the holylands. I think that most of the people who took part in the obscene events on st patricks day would be ashamed to have their parents watch them participating. (Presuming they know who their parents are)
Quote from: Donagh on March 21, 2009, 10:39:49 PM
Was talking to a relation of one of those charged and he said that the young lad was denied access to the toilet all night while he was being interviewed with inevitable results. Standard operating procedure when dealing with suspected subsersives, and I'm sure the 17 year old in Antrim is going through a lot worse, but surely a bit over the top dealing with such minor offences.
The peelers have already set out their stall that they are going to make examples of anyone involved. Fair play I say. A few boys ruining their future career prospects might start ringing alarm bells for the other morons at this behaviour every week of the year.
Why have we not heard a response from the relatives of those identified in the press who are charged with public disorder offences on st patricks day?
Are they proud of their poor parenting skills or are they too ashamed of their progeny to be identified as "Mammy & Daddy of the animals" As long as they get a degree who cares that they have made other peoples lives a misery for 4 or more years.
Quote from: Windmill abu on March 22, 2009, 01:19:10 AM
Why have we not heard a response from the relatives of those identified in the press who are charged with public disorder offences on st patricks day?
Are they proud of their poor parenting skills or are they too ashamed of their progeny to be identified as "Mammy & Daddy of the animals" As long as they get a degree who cares that they have made other peoples lives a misery for 4 or more years.
Are the parents of adults accused of criminal offences generally expected to make public statements? The amount of shite talked on this issue by self-important clowns on their high horses is unbelieveable.
Quote from: Windmill abu on March 22, 2009, 12:35:41 AM
While reading the posts of the "Tyrone to Gaza" thread over the past few weeks I have come to believe that the board has become more mature in its non gaa opinions. But having read this thread it is obvious that if you give a laptop to a student they will use this medium to try and justify their disguting behaviour in the holylands. I think that most of the people who took part in the obscene events on st patricks day would be ashamed to have their parents watch them participating. (Presuming they know who their parents are)
Who exactly is this post aimed at saandora? I don't think I've seen anyone try and justify events on Tuesday on the board, do you just hate students?
Quote from: Windmill abu on March 22, 2009, 01:19:10 AM
Why have we not heard a response from the relatives of those identified in the press who are charged with public disorder offences on st patricks day?
Are they proud of their poor parenting skills or are they too ashamed of their progeny to be identified as "Mammy & Daddy of the animals" As long as they get a degree who cares that they have made other peoples lives a misery for 4 or more years.
Should all the parents of those arrested come to you and publically denounce the actions of their offspring? (considering only one was a f**king student) And likewise apologise for poor parenting skills? Maybe you could direct them to a good parenting course? Or would it not be a tad too late considering they're now grown adults?
F**kin ganch
Quote from: Windmill abu on March 22, 2009, 01:19:10 AM
Why have we not heard a response from the relatives of those identified in the press who are charged with public disorder offences on st patricks day?
Are they proud of their poor parenting skills or are they too ashamed of their progeny to be identified as "Mammy & Daddy of the animals" As long as they get a degree who cares that they have made other peoples lives a misery for 4 or more years.
:D What a ridiculous post. What do you want them to do, call the Irish News and tell them their wee 24-year old lad is gonna be grounded with no pocket money for a month.
Quote from: Rav67 on March 22, 2009, 10:45:27 AM
Quote from: Windmill abu on March 22, 2009, 01:19:10 AM
Why have we not heard a response from the relatives of those identified in the press who are charged with public disorder offences on st patricks day?
Are they proud of their poor parenting skills or are they too ashamed of their progeny to be identified as "Mammy & Daddy of the animals" As long as they get a degree who cares that they have made other peoples lives a misery for 4 or more years.
:D What a ridiculous post. What do you want them to do, call the Irish News and tell them their wee 24-year old lad is gonna be grounded with no pocket money for a month.
wouldnt do much use grounding you ravioli
Quote from: qub la la la on March 23, 2009, 07:17:59 PM
Quote from: Rav67 on March 22, 2009, 10:45:27 AM
Quote from: Windmill abu on March 22, 2009, 01:19:10 AM
Why have we not heard a response from the relatives of those identified in the press who are charged with public disorder offences on st patricks day?
Are they proud of their poor parenting skills or are they too ashamed of their progeny to be identified as "Mammy & Daddy of the animals" As long as they get a degree who cares that they have made other peoples lives a misery for 4 or more years.
:D What a ridiculous post. What do you want them to do, call the Irish News and tell them their wee 24-year old lad is gonna be grounded with no pocket money for a month.
wouldnt do much use grounding you ravioli
you still in the holylands la la? I trust you weren't involved in any of the recent misbehaviour.
Its strange the reaction of the media and on here to some minor trouble on st patricks day involving drunk students blowing it out of proportion. On the 11th of July there'll be masked gunmen out hiding under the cover of darkness firing shots and shouting uda/uvf chants and burning tricolours etc - this wont be reported in as bad a light, in fact it will hardly be reported at all. Going off topic completely its also disgusting at that time of year that loyalist paramilitary flags can fly openly from lamposts in main mixed towns including Armagh.
Also interesting to note the difference in the attitude of the police. Riot police dont show up at these show of strengths which surely classify as anti social behaviour.
Quote from: Rav67 on March 23, 2009, 08:17:26 PM
Quote from: qub la la la on March 23, 2009, 07:17:59 PM
Quote from: Rav67 on March 22, 2009, 10:45:27 AM
Quote from: Windmill abu on March 22, 2009, 01:19:10 AM
Why have we not heard a response from the relatives of those identified in the press who are charged with public disorder offences on st patricks day?
Are they proud of their poor parenting skills or are they too ashamed of their progeny to be identified as "Mammy & Daddy of the animals" As long as they get a degree who cares that they have made other peoples lives a misery for 4 or more years.
:D What a ridiculous post. What do you want them to do, call the Irish News and tell them their wee 24-year old lad is gonna be grounded with no pocket money for a month.
wouldnt do much use grounding you ravioli
you still in the holylands la la? I trust you weren't involved in any of the recent misbehaviour.
no ive since moved on, you have to grow up and be a real person some day. Was not involved in the recent misbehaviour, I was in Dublin watchin the club finals.
Very valid point TD. I'm sure the peelers are happy getting called out for a lock of standing about doing feck all in the holylands, they knew they were never in any danger and some of them likely getting overtime I'm sure.
Much-maligned former poster 'doire na raithe' texted me to voice his objection to many of the over-the-top comments on this thread and wished his views to be noted on the board. Poor doire is suffering withdrawl symptoms and even missed all the craic on paddys day as he was slugging on frosty jacks in his room trying to use foreign IP addresses to register a new username. He's determined to get back though and redeem himself after his last unfortunate episode, and said "the mods have to get lucky every time but I only need to get lucky once."
Quote from: Windmill abu on March 22, 2009, 12:35:41 AM
I think that most of the people who took part in the obscene events on st patricks day would be ashamed to have their parents watch them participating. (Presuming they know who their parents are)
Quote from: Windmill abu on March 22, 2009, 01:19:10 AM
Why have we not heard a response from the relatives of those identified in the press who are charged with public disorder offences on st patricks day?
Are you serious?
I can only assume you are a WUM spouting sh1te like this
What would you like parents to come out & say? (if they are the parents) ::)
Once someone hits 18 they are an adult
BBC reporting that 10 people turned up at a student protest rally regarding police heavy handedness on the 17th. The rest must still be stuck in the hatfield
Quote from: the green man on March 26, 2009, 10:35:54 PM
BBC reporting that 10 people turned up at a student protest rally regarding police heavy handedness on the 17th. The rest must still be stuck in the hatfield
Like the 1960s all over again! :D
Looked on the BBC website. Can't find that report.
Quote from: ziggysego on March 26, 2009, 11:35:27 PM
Looked on the BBC website. Can't find that report.
It was so pathetic it probably is no longer newsworthy!
Quote from: Rav67 on March 23, 2009, 10:45:51 PM
Very valid point TD. I'm sure the peelers are happy getting called out for a lock of standing about doing feck all in the holylands, they knew they were never in any danger and some of them likely getting overtime I'm sure.
Much-maligned former poster 'doire na raithe' texted me to voice his objection to many of the over-the-top comments on this thread and wished his views to be noted on the board. Poor doire is suffering withdrawl symptoms and even missed all the craic on paddys day as he was slugging on frosty jacks in his room trying to use foreign IP addresses to register a new username. He's determined to get back though and redeem himself after his last unfortunate episode, and said "the mods have to get lucky every time but I only need to get lucky once."
poor fella. getting stocious on that bottle of chemicals has horrific repercussions the next day. horrible horrible pain
Quote from: the green man on March 26, 2009, 10:35:54 PM
BBC reporting that 10 people turned up at a student protest rally regarding police heavy handedness on the 17th. The rest must still be stuck in the hatfield
It was the Socialist Workers Party protesting. Wouldn't say anybody there protesting actually lives in the Holylands. Just a typical lunatic left protest against any form of organised law & order.
Think one of them protesting was vice-president of UUJ students union could be wrong but thought I seen him
Quote
Boy on Paddy's Day trouble charge
Holylands trouble
Trouble broke out in the area on St Patrick's Day
A 16-year-old boy is to face charges connected with St Patrick's Day disturbances in the Holyland area of south Belfast.
Riot police were called to the area after house parties spilled out onto the streets. A minority threw missiles and a car was badly damaged.
Nineteen people were arrested following the disturbances.
The teenager is due to appear before Belfast Youth Court on 30 April, charged with disorderly behaviour.
A special inquiries team set up following the disturbances have issued a fresh appeal for information.
Taken form http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7980444.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7980444.stm)
Just announced on the 10.30 news there now.
Now would this mean that the young lad is a local and not a student??
Just wondering.
Probably a brother of a student, up for the rip.
Or he could be a smick from the ormeau...
There is no way of determining if this boy was a local or someone staying with students because his details will not be released to the press as it would be against the child protection laws. However from all the arrests that were made we can determine that students were involved but it also contained a large proportion of non students, of which a proportion of local youths may have been involved.
Quote from: Deal_Me_In on April 03, 2009, 08:40:00 AM
There is no way of determining if this boy was a local or someone staying with students because his details will not be released to the press as it would be against the child protection laws. However from all the arrests that were made we can determine that students were involved but it also contained a large proportion of non students, of which a proportion of local youths may have been involved.
The place was littered with hoods, it was evident on the videos shown on the news, unless of course fellas not from the city have started to wear air maxes and trackie bottoms with a pair of white socks hangin out the bottom...cant see it though.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7987857.stm
:D :D
£350 for swearing at a cop is a bit much.
Awful excuse though - he was confused!
QuoteHis solicitor said that he was unfamiliar with the Holyland area of Belfast and that, combined with the alcohol he had consumed, caused him to become confused and to behave out of character.
Quote from: nifan on April 07, 2009, 02:52:09 PM
£350 for swearing at a cop is a bit much.
Awful excuse though - he was confused!
QuoteHis solicitor said that he was unfamiliar with the Holyland area of Belfast and that, combined with the alcohol he had consumed, caused him to become confused and to behave out of character.
CLassic :D :D :D :D :D
If you knew him you would be laughing a lot louder!
Im sure a few of the other Aghagallon lads will be on in a minute.
Quote from: The Gs Man on April 07, 2009, 03:12:39 PM
If you knew him you would be laughing a lot louder!
Im sure a few of the other Aghagallon lads will be on in a minute.
thats not former Antrim Minor footballer Dee Dee by any chance?!
Nail on the head.....
that same boy would know the Holylands back to front and inside out!
can't take them g's anywhere..near everyother photo taken that day had one of them in it!! :D
Quote from: Gold on April 07, 2009, 03:42:13 PM
that same boy would know the Holylands back to front and inside out!
haha DD was never actually a student. I believe his story ;)
In all my time in the holylands i never once seen Dee Dee... totally innocent ;D ;D
Thats a rough hit!!!
Look at the most popular story on the right of the page..... coincidence??? :D :D
Quote from: stiffler on April 07, 2009, 05:38:36 PM
Thats a rough hit!!!
Blame the BBC Stiffler!!!!
He must have been down the Holylands fixing a few pipes.
Quote from: The Gs Man on April 07, 2009, 06:15:57 PM
Quote from: stiffler on April 07, 2009, 05:38:36 PM
Thats a rough hit!!!
Blame the BBC Stiffler!!!!
He must have been down the Holylands fixing a few pipes.
Rough hit to get a £350 fine !! everyone knows that man has tourettes!
Quote from: The Gs Man on April 07, 2009, 03:12:39 PM
If you knew him you would be laughing a lot louder!
Im sure a few of the other Aghagallon lads will be on in a minute.
Completely out of character!
While some of that may be true, alot of it is exaggerated, and not all students are involved. You talk about tarring an entire community of people with one brush and that is what you have up yonder.no one said the students are 100% inncoent but the above is only one side of the story.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8013227.stm
St Patrick's trouble cost £35,000
Holyland Riots
The rioting cost thousands of pounds to police
The cost of policing St Patrick's Day violence in south Belfast was more than £35,000, it has been revealed.
Police were sent into the Holyland area after reports of vandalism as house parties spilled onto the street.
Riot police confronted troublemakers and were pelted with bottles and stones. A total of 19 people were arrested and two officers were injured.
Residents' spokesman Ray Farley said: "The money would be better spent on other things."
He added that it was an "area where there's not a lot of respect for the environment and people there do what they want".
Disgraceful
The cost of policing the trouble was released to Ulster Unionist peer, Lord Laird, after a Parliamentary question.
Democratic Unionist Party Policing Board member Jimmy Spratt said people would be appalled to learn how much money had been spent.
He said: "At a time when the police budget is extremely pressed it is disgraceful that this amount of resources should be consumed trying to prevent a drunken mob from destroying this part of south Belfast."
Overall, £49,242 was spent on policing St Patrick's Day in Belfast, including a city centre parade and concert.
where does the police spend this money?
Quote from: armagh leg-end on April 22, 2009, 10:33:20 PM
where does the police spend this money?
Wages mostly, i'd assume. 50 odd police officers (or how ever many there were) on the day, for X hours at time and a half, or double time (with it being a bank holiday). Then the hours to 'process' those who were arrested (19 people), prepare for and attend court etc. Maybe sick pay for the 2 officers who were injured - as per the news story.
It would probably add up quicker than you'd think.
I was actually surprised it was so low.
The attitutde from some people towards the actions of students - or whoever they were - is a disgrace to be Frank. How anybody would try and justify that behaviour is a beyond me. Them young girls and ladies are letting themselves down and from the amount of GAA tops letting the nationalist people down also. Saying the PSNI/RUC were heavy handed is also a joke and beyond me. They are the last shower I would ever support but at the end of the day thuggish behaviour will be treated in a thuggish way by the PSNI/RUC always has always will.
The way people of Belfast are refered to by some country ones is a joke on this and the problem arises by moving to that city with the attitude that all belfast people are 'wankers'. They clearly are not. I studied in Liverpool and new many a good Belfast man but granted maybe we got on because we were on equal footing. I doubt many boys who complain or abuse 'holyland' residents would would move to the West or the North of the city and start slabbering matches.
There is a load of tramps in Belfast but the majority of them would appear to be a lot more similar to yourselfs than you would believe and going about your day to day bussiness in their home town would be a better way to get to know them.
Quote from: Hoopeddefender on April 23, 2009, 12:03:43 AM
The attitutde from some people towards the actions of students - or whoever they were - is a disgrace to be Frank.
Who's Frank?
Frank!the lad u ring about drugs advice..lives in carmel st... :)
to be fair hoopeddefender you havent lived in the holyands , like u said theres a lot of tramps in belfast and obviously they tend to gather in the north's biggest crime hotspot. the fact it is full of students is often used to deflect blame from the real scumbags
The point is I have seen the terms 'Belfast wankers' and 'Belfast spides' used on this. In my opinion Dungannon has a lot of wankers and spides same as Cookstown, Strabane and Omagh but you would never get people generalising those from that town as wankers or spides. One of my best mates in Uni was a Belfast lad top bloke, true gael and anyone I ever met through him was a gent and nothing compared to some of the pond life you get running amoke in our towns. I just think the place and people from it gets a bad press. Spent mays a night away from the local student spots in 'local' bars in the north of the city in what would be classed as a 'spide' area and it was anything but.
Quote from: Hoopeddefender on April 23, 2009, 12:39:54 AM
The point is I have seen the terms 'Belfast w**kers' and 'Belfast spides' used on this. In my opinion Dungannon has a lot of w**kers and spides same as Cookstown, Strabane and Omagh but you would never get people generalising those from that town as w**kers or spides. One of my best mates in Uni was a Belfast lad top bloke, true gael and anyone I ever met through him was a gent and nothing compared to some of the pond life you get running amoke in our towns. I just think the place and people from it gets a bad press. Spent mays a night away from the local student spots in 'local' bars in the north of the city in what would be classed as a 'spide' area and it was anything but.
Cry me a f**king river........ ::)
Some of these boyos will be getting a slap tonight when they get home!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8097911.stm
I think I recognise the first one :o
Poor quality pics tho!
Quote from: SidelineKick on June 12, 2009, 05:29:51 PM
I think I recognise the first one :o
Poor quality pics tho!
Very fuzzy alright, if you look close enough you could proabably see their names written on the inside of their jackets!
A few familiar faces there alright! :D
Quote from: SidelineKick on June 12, 2009, 05:29:51 PM
I think I recognise the first one :o
Poor quality pics tho!
PM me, it looks a bit like a fella I think too, but I can't place his name!
The Holylands problem is not helped by the fact renshaws is closed.
Now instead of spreading the population between the upper and lower areas of the H Lands, the entire student population congregate around the Hatfield in the lower area.
Queens should consider some sort of enertainment/club around the top area of the holylands to restore balance in this regard.
The students union isnt far from the top of the holylands.
Theres also the empire, taphouse etc handy as well
Quote from: nifan on June 12, 2009, 06:07:59 PM
The students union isnt far from the top of the holylands.
Theres also the empire, taphouse etc handy as well
Come on now, I don't think I have drank in any of those... Sure why not just head down to the NI Supporters Club at Shaftesbury Square wearing your local club top! It was just Renshaws, maybe Dukes at a push, now there's nowhere...
lazy fecker
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 12, 2009, 06:13:02 PM
Quote from: nifan on June 12, 2009, 06:07:59 PM
The students union isnt far from the top of the holylands.
Theres also the empire, taphouse etc handy as well
Come on now, I don't think I have drank in any of those... Sure why not just head down to the NI Supporters Club at Shaftesbury Square wearing your local club top! It was just Renshaws, maybe Dukes at a push, now there's nowhere...
taphouse a good spot now! below scratch!
Quote from: Doogie Browser on June 12, 2009, 05:27:49 PM
Some of these boyos will be getting a slap tonight when they get home!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8097911.stm
I'd say most of them boys will be from Armagh or Tyrone. Most of them would be non students too.
Quote from: the green man on June 12, 2009, 10:28:11 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on June 12, 2009, 05:27:49 PM
Some of these boyos will be getting a slap tonight when they get home!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8097911.stm
I'd say most of them boys will be from Armagh or Tyrone. Most of them would be non students too.
I'd say you are correct
QuoteMost of them would be non students too.
Don't assume so much ;)
What are the article and pics about? My internet explorer stalls every time I try to get onto to bbc.co.uk.
Quote from: Rav67 on June 13, 2009, 08:02:09 AM
What are the article and pics about? My internet explorer stalls every time I try to get onto to bbc.co.uk.
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45915000/jpg/_45915590_students.jpg)
Police have appealed for help in identifying 11 men in connection with disturbances in the Holylands area of Belfast on St Patrick's Day this year.
Riot police were called to the area after a car was vandalised when hundreds of people spilled out on to the streets from house parties.
A number of officers were hurt in the disturbance after they were attacked with missiles, including fireworks.
So far, 13 people have been charged in connection with the incident.
The disturbances were mainly concentrated in Carmel Street and Agincourt Avenue although the surrounding area was also affected.
The Public Order Enquiries Team, which is investigating this incident, released CCTV images of individuals which were taken on the day.
A police spokesman said anyone with information could either call detectives on 0845 600 8000 and ask for Musgrave Street CID, or alternatively they could call the Crimestoppers charity anonymously on 0800 555 111.
Them boys have been fairly caught out
I'd say there was a few thick ears give out back at home with their picture all over the news!!
Quote from: laceer on June 13, 2009, 12:21:54 PM
Them boys have been fairly caught out
I'd say there was a few thick ears give out back at home with their picture all over the news!!
That would depend on whether their parents are scumbags or not
well i know one of those boyos....
I'd say the majority aren't from poor backgrounds - they're boys who are down for the rip in belfast on st paddy's day and think they can go 'buck mad'
I was in Belfast about 5 years ago for Paddy's day and it was like beirut round the Holylands. Won't spend another one there!
Camera's to be installed in the Holylands for start of next term
Camera plan for 'crime hotspots'
Closed circuit television could be used in the university area of south Belfast to deter anti-social behaviour.
A £108,000 pilot scheme by the council and the police could see mobile cameras at "crime hotspots" from the autumn.
The move comes after violence erupted in the Holylands area on St Patrick's Day. It cost more than £35,000 to police the situation.
Ray Farley of the Holylands Regeneration Group welcomed the plan, but students have been less than happy.
The plans are at an early stage, but would will involve introducing six cameras in the area for a number of months.
It is planned to have a live stream fed back to the city council offices and to the police.
Richard McLernon, community safety co-ordinator for the city council, said the cameras would be highly visible.
"This is a city wide scheme, not just something that we are looking for the Holylands," he said.
"But we are proposing to start it here and test it to try to alleviate some of the problems that local people have been facing."
He said the footage would be admissible in court but the primary aim was to prevent trouble.
"There is a graduated response.... If we can get people to go back into their house.... we would prefer that.
"But if somebody is committing a crime, I think it is appropriate that they are held to task."
There has been a history of tensions between students and residents in the Holylands area - where up to 80% of homes are multiple occupancy.
However, this year hundreds of St Patrick's Day party-goers spilled out onto the streets and violence ensued. Two officers were injured and at least 19 people arrested.
Those behind the CCTV scheme - which involves attaching cameras to poles in the area - hope it will prevent a repeat of the trouble.
Some students, however, are not keen.
Speaking to BBC Radio Ulster, one said people would get "wound up" by the cameras.
Another said: "I don't know if it's really necessary, given that most of the commotion round here is caused by overly exuberant students having a bit of harmless fun."
Another said it was like being "spied on" 24 hours a day.
But another student thought it was a good scheme, adding: "I have seen kids running smashing cars, just causing a lot of trouble."
The Holylands Regeneration Group said discouraging anti-social behaviour and on-street drinking "by any means possible" was positive.
Ray Farley said: "Something has to be done. You cannot behave in this way, year on year on year.
"If people know they are going to be filmed, it'll stop them."
Consultations are to take place within the community and with political representatives before any plan is approved.
The scheme will be evaluated after a year.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8130041.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8130041.stm)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8131652.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8131652.stm)
Glad I am not living down there now.
:D I know one of those clowns the peelers are looking for, can;t believe he would have done anything that bad though other than maybe drunk and disorderly
I know of four of them.
I know one of the fellas handed himself into the police. He has just started his placement and is considering quitting before he gets the sack for the sake of his CV.
Quote from: Rav67 on July 03, 2009, 01:43:01 AM
:D I know one of those clowns the peelers are looking for, can;t believe he would have done anything that bad though other than maybe drunk and disorderly
Stalin??
:o
Has anyone heard the song by Mickey Coleman (I think) called Holylands?
Heard it on the radio this morning.....................holy fcuk :D :D
The Tyrone wemen dont get much praise in it :o
Can someone post a link to it as I cant access it
Quote from: full back on November 11, 2009, 11:02:03 AM
Has anyone heard the song by Mickey Coleman (I think) called Holylands?
Heard it on the radio this morning.....................holy fcuk :D :D
The Tyrone wemen dont get much praise in it :o
Can someone post a link to it as I cant access it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOdevNC0Lec
Ai, heard this a couple of years ago now. Quite funny.
What radio station was playing it?
I guess the Holylands students were in France this St. Patrick's
http://skimontblanc.forumactif.com/h5-des-etudiants-bourres-defoncent-une-voiture (http://skimontblanc.forumactif.com/h5-des-etudiants-bourres-defoncent-une-voiture)
Quote from: ziggysego on March 24, 2011, 05:28:19 PM
I guess the Holylands students were in France this St. Patrick's
http://skimontblanc.forumactif.com/h5-des-etudiants-bourres-defoncent-une-voiture (http://skimontblanc.forumactif.com/h5-des-etudiants-bourres-defoncent-une-voiture)
Or Albany.
"The annual cost of providing policing and other services in Belfast's Holyland area has risen to more than £3m a year"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-17297046
Holylands is a wash already with Police and University volunteers. Police at both off licenses.
The sun is out and the sofas are on the street.
More police than students. A lot of fuss over nothing.
It's not just the students in Belfast who get up to mischief on March 17th
http://edmonton.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20120318/london-ontario-st-patricks-day-party-turned-into-riot-120318/20120318/?hub=EdmontonHome
(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/486357_3517694110837_1526539907_33183247_722389249_n.jpg)
You still would
:poundit: