Only two days before the big two collide head on it's time to remind Mayo/Galway fans no silverware will be given out on Sunday & the real Connacht final is on July 17th.
So Mayo it is.
Quote from: ross4life on June 24, 2011, 07:23:17 PM
Only two days before the big two collide head on it's time to remind Mayo/Galway fans no silverware will be given out on Sunday & the real Connacht final is on July 17th.
Yeah, the arrogance of the Mayo fans these last few weeks has been incredible.
All that stuff about the freetakers and all.
Yeah I too cant believe how cocky Mayo are this week. Today especially.
The likes of PJ,Bergin,Moran,Dillion etc have played in loads of Senior All Ireland finals & the young players on both sides have won multiple Connacht Minor,U21 & All Ireland titles. I don't buy the poor mouth from the Galway/Mayo fans here for one second!
Nor do I.
They believe that if they win tomorrow the 17th will be just a formality.
All I can say is - keep thinking that way buckeens ;D ;D
Does your name have to start with Ross if you are from Roscommon ?
Honestly you make me laugh talking up Galway and Mayo. Mayo are like Hugh Hefner at this stage.
Have some respect ! The man/team are a pale shadow of their former selves.
Quote from: seafoid on June 25, 2011, 03:56:35 PM
Does your name have to start with Ross if you are from Roscommon ?
Honestly you make me laugh talking up Galway and Mayo. Mayo are like Hugh Hefner at this stage.
Have some respect ! The man/team are a pale shadow of their former selves.
Have you just suddenly realised alot of Roscommon fans here have Ross in their usernames? short answer no. & do you remember Mayo from 1996?
Jesus ye Rossies really are giddy with excitement :D
Can't even wait until the other semi is played before ye start a thread on the final.
Ye took over the Mayo v Galway thread as well for a while :D
Don't worry, ye will get the attention ye so badly crave once tomorrow's match is out of the way.
Quote from: Tubberman on June 25, 2011, 04:40:48 PM
Jesus ye Rossies really are giddy with excitement :D
Can't even wait until the other semi is played before ye start a thread on the final.
Ye took over the Mayo v Galway thread as well for a while :D
Don't worry, ye will get the attention ye so badly crave once tomorrow's match is out of the way.
If Mayo were in the final already this thread would have been started 3 weeks ago & no doubt if Mayo win tomorrow this thread will be taken over by ye ;)
Quote from: ross matt on June 24, 2011, 08:40:49 PM
Yeah I too cant believe how cocky Mayo are this week. Today especially.
So you think we are cocky on this board, do you?
You might go pay a visit to hoganstand then if you want to know what the Mayo heads over there have to say about the game. It was a case of firsts all the way when I checked the Mayo forum today.
It was my first time to do this and this is what I found in the first post in the first topic I clicked on:
"Mayo will bring the shooting boots for this game but ya can't score unless ya don't have the ball."
How's that for a spot of insightful analysis? ;D
A Íosa Críost na bhFlaitheas! Here was me in me innocence, thinking our bucks found it hard enough to score when they had the ball and this genius figures we'll be better off without a ball at all.
That was bad enough but not one of the twenty or so who followed him picked up on it. Maybe they know something over there that we don't.
All knowledgeable Gaa people in Roscommon are certainly not getting carried away about this final. Maybe a lot of the younger supporters are getting a bit giddy with hope and excitement, but where's the harm in it.
My main concern for Ros is that Mayo are going to be a step up in standard compared to every team we've faced since Cork last year.
How far we have really progressed during the past 12 months will be revealed on July 17.
With Ros, they're either impressive or poor. There never seems to be a middle ground. Impressive wins v New York and Leitrim were proceeded by a very poor display against Longford in Croke Park.
I still believe that the bookies won't take any chances, and will price Mayo up as favourites, which is understandable given that they are consistently playing a higher level of opposition than Ros.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 25, 2011, 11:56:21 PM
Quote from: ross matt on June 24, 2011, 08:40:49 PM
Yeah I too cant believe how cocky Mayo are this week. Today especially.
So you think we are cocky on this board, do you?You might go pay a visit to hoganstand then if you want to know what the Mayo heads over there have to say about the game. It was a case of firsts all the way when I checked the Mayo forum today.
It was my first time to do this and this is what I found in the first post in the first topic I clicked on:
"Mayo will bring the shooting boots for this game but ya can't score unless ya don't have the ball."
How's that for a spot of insightful analysis? ;D
A Íosa Críost na bhFlaitheas! Here was me in me innocence, thinking our bucks found it hard enough to score when they had the ball and this genius figures we'll be better off without a ball at all.
That was bad enough but not one of the twenty or so who followed him picked up on it. Maybe they know something over there that we don't.
No Lar. I was being sarcastic. Never heard such beal bocht from ye in all my life. However that'll all cease now with the chance to rub the Rossie noses in it again in the Hyde. ;)
Now its a Mayo/Rossie Connacht final. The concern for Ross is that Mayo will continue to improve. As Seafoid mentioned in his post the London match now needs to be put in perspective in light of them beating Fermanagh. In other words Mayo have been playing badly but winning plus crucially improving with each win. Sign of mental toughness. Not something normally associated with Mayo football so Horan must be doing something right. I'm bothered by how good their midfield looked today and also how fresh Mcgarrity looked. I've always rated Ronan highly. Midfield in an area that Ross have done very well in over the last 2 seasons but Mayo will be a big test here. Dillon will never waste so much ball again and Moran is invaluable. Their full forwardline looked like they could score goals if given early ball.
The plus for us is that our midfield will be better than Galway and as has been ruthlessly demonstrated in the Leitrim match Fergie has the Ross defenders hassling opponents without giving away soft frees. This again in contrast to Galway. Inside Shine and Kilbride are big enough to win their own ball and its unlikely they will both be stopped. Cregg then brings a different dimension to the attack in terms of hard driving runs so there will be variety. Finally O'gara will be available and he is on form as good as shine or kilbride.
Its a nice run in for Mayo. I think they will go in as even stevens or even with Ross being favourites. Despite all the underage success this will be a new aspect to deal with mentally for us. We will have to bring our A game because Mayo will definitely be up for this and will fancy themselves quietly to nail us in the manner we did Sligo in last years final. It promises to be a great match. We definitely CAN win but just now I'm unsure as to be able to say we Will win
No disrespect to the Mayo fans but it would be better to see the underdog Roscommon win this, the joyful scene in front of the Hyde park crowd would be something else however TBH i really can't see Mayo beaten.
Ros haven't had a decent team that could win Connacht consistently since the Dermot Earley /McManus crowd that got to the all-Ireland in 1980 . Yes there was a flash in 91 but nothing else. So this is a once in a generation chance for Ros to get their shit together. Mayo and Galway are not on top form and there is nothing surer but that they will rise again. It is a lot easier to win Connacht when things are in such a state of flux. So for Ros this is the match to lose.
QuoteSo for Ros this is the match to lose
Seafoid gan dabht!!
Quote from: seafoid on June 26, 2011, 08:53:35 PM
Ros haven't had a decent team that could win Connacht consistently since the Dermot Earley /McManus crowd that got to the all-Ireland in 1980 . Yes there was a flash in 91 but nothing else. So this is a once in a generation chance for Ros to get their shit together. Mayo and Galway are not on top form and there is nothing surer but that they will rise again. It is a lot easier to win Connacht when things are in such a state of flux. So for Ros this is the match to lose.
Won it '90 also Seafoid so lightning must have struck twice in the one county. Then of course there was '01. Think the last time you pontificated on Ross football history here some of the Mayo posters and myself tore you a new arse for yourself but you're still talkin out of the old one I see. First law of piss taking other counties is getting your facts right unless you're deliverately trying to live up to your name. Maybe not really the most appropriate day for Galway supporters to be lecturing other counties about "getting their shit together" huh?
Quote from: ross matt on June 26, 2011, 09:03:48 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 26, 2011, 08:53:35 PM
Ros haven't had a decent team that could win Connacht consistently since the Dermot Earley /McManus crowd that got to the all-Ireland in 1980 . Yes there was a flash in 91 but nothing else. So this is a once in a generation chance for Ros to get their shit together. Mayo and Galway are not on top form and there is nothing surer but that they will rise again. It is a lot easier to win Connacht when things are in such a state of flux. So for Ros this is the match to lose.
Won it '90 also Seafoid so lightning must have struck twice in the one county. Then of course there was '01. Think the last time you pontificated on Ross football history here some of the Mayo posters and myself tore you a new arse for yourself but you're still talkin out of the old one I see. First law of piss taking other counties is getting your facts right unless you're deliverately trying to live up to your name. Maybe not really the most appropriate day for Galway supporters to be lecturing other counties about "getting their shit together" huh?
And eh now that you got found out (again) dont forget to post the obligatory "wum" excuse to explain the lack of knowledge on the subject.
Quote from: ross matt on June 26, 2011, 09:03:48 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 26, 2011, 08:53:35 PM
Ros haven't had a decent team that could win Connacht consistently since the Dermot Earley /McManus crowd that got to the all-Ireland in 1980 . Yes there was a flash in 91 but nothing else. So this is a once in a generation chance for Ros to get their shit together. Mayo and Galway are not on top form and there is nothing surer but that they will rise again. It is a lot easier to win Connacht when things are in such a state of flux. So for Ros this is the match to lose.
Won it '90 also Seafoid so lightning must have struck twice in the one county. Then of course there was '01. Think the last time you pontificated on Ross football history here some of the Mayo posters and myself tore you a new arse for yourself but you're still talkin out of the old one I see. First law of piss taking other counties is getting your facts right unless you're deliverately trying to live up to your name. Maybe not really the most appropriate day for Galway supporters to be lecturing other counties about "getting their shit together" huh?
To be honest , Ross Matt, if Ros beat Mayo and lose another QF, 2011 won't be remembered for anything in Connacht football.
I hope whoever wins the final does Connacht proud and will be shouting for them .
Is Seafoid the neutral voice of this thread? i'm undecided :-\
Hard work is done. I don't see how a team who were in Division 4 this spring should be any problem for us.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on June 26, 2011, 10:14:03 PM
Hard work is done. I don't see how a team who were in Division 4 this spring should be any problem for us.
If i were in your position i would say/type the same thing! i respect your honesty.
As long as we are competitive its progress
Quote from: ross4life on June 26, 2011, 10:21:03 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on June 26, 2011, 10:14:03 PM
Hard work is done. I don't see how a team who were in Division 4 this spring should be any problem for us.
If i were in your position i would say/type the same thing! i respect your honesty.
I was actually on the wind-up! Wanted to see if the first Rossie response would be of agreement or fury. I don't think it will be easy but I think we can win. The Mayo poor-mouthing of how Roscommon are favourites is ridiculous when you bear the facts of my first comment in mind. We should expect to go up there and win. With the greatest of respect to Roscommon, I don't remember there even been a game against ye where we were fecked before a ball was thrown-in. This year is no different. But let the beal bocht resume. On both sides!
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on June 26, 2011, 10:25:48 PM
Quote from: ross4life on June 26, 2011, 10:21:03 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on June 26, 2011, 10:14:03 PM
Hard work is done. I don't see how a team who were in Division 4 this spring should be any problem for us.
If i were in your position i would say/type the same thing! i respect your honesty.
I was actually on the wind-up! Wanted to see if the first Rossie response would be of agreement or fury. I don't think it will be easy but I think we can win. The Mayo poor-mouthing of how Roscommon are favourites is ridiculous when you bear the facts of my first comment in mind. We should expect to go up there and win. With the greatest of respect to Roscommon, I don't remember there even been a game against ye where we were fecked before a ball was thrown-in. This year is no different. But let the beal bocht resume. On both sides!
Good post. You're correct. Reality is a team just out of div 4 v an established div 1 side.
Quote from: seafoid on June 26, 2011, 09:51:27 PM
Quote from: ross matt on June 26, 2011, 09:03:48 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 26, 2011, 08:53:35 PM
Ros haven't had a decent team that could win Connacht consistently since the Dermot Earley /McManus crowd that got to the all-Ireland in 1980 . Yes there was a flash in 91 but nothing else. So this is a once in a generation chance for Ros to get their shit together. Mayo and Galway are not on top form and there is nothing surer but that they will rise again. It is a lot easier to win Connacht when things are in such a state of flux. So for Ros this is the match to lose.
Won it '90 also Seafoid so lightning must have struck twice in the one county. Then of course there was '01. Think the last time you pontificated on Ross football history here some of the Mayo posters and myself tore you a new arse for yourself but you're still talkin out of the old one I see. First law of piss taking other counties is getting your facts right unless you're deliverately trying to live up to your name. Maybe not really the most appropriate day for Galway supporters to be lecturing other counties about "getting their shit together" huh?
To be honest , Ross Matt, if Ros beat Mayo and lose another QF, 2011 won't be remembered for anything in Connacht football.
I hope whoever wins the final does Connacht proud and will be shouting for them .
Hmmmm.... I bet you will. Think you have an unhealthy interest in all things Ross. Were you not posting about us on a hurling thread of all things a few days ago? Chillax about us. Today should have showed you we're not your problem.
The Mayo/Ros rivalry has really been revived at underage level the last few years. Anybody who has been to any of the under 21 games between the two counties will realise that there is nothing between them, and that the games are often exciting with good flowing football and go to the death.
If it's anything like the game in Charlestown in 2009 I think the whole country will enjoy it - probably the greatest game of football played in Connacht in the last 10 years:
http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6191&Itemid=39 (http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6191&Itemid=39)
That was some game alright but we blew it at the death.
Still 2 wins since and the minoreens yesterday have pushed it well back in th'oul memory.
As for Senior CF -- seeing as Mayowestros should have won by 15 if not 20 points yesterday, they have been operating in Div 1 playing the top teams for years , we are only out of Div 4 and trying to recover from a terrible few years -- the best we can realistically hope for is to be competitive, be still in the game into the last quarter and sure then you'd never know.
It will be a good measure of where we are really at .
Those hard headed money making men the bookies have it Mwr 4/7 and Ros 5/4.
Mind you they had us 4/1 in 2010 ;D
Roscommon deserve to be favourites with the game being in the Hyde swinging it for them,just. Mayo shouldn't fear Roscommon and no doubt its vice versa. Roscommon were well beaten by Longford in the league final and have beaten New York and Leitrim since. The way Galway played yesterday, you'd have to think Leitrim would have given them a decent game so not a whole lot between the teams in terms of the form line.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 27, 2011, 09:12:51 AM
As for Senior CF -- seeing as Mayowestros should have won by 15 if not 20 points yesterday, they have been operating in Div 1 playing the top teams for years , we are only out of Div 4 and trying to recover from a terrible few years -- the best we can realistically hope for is to be competitive, be still in the game into the last quarter and sure then you'd never know.
It will be a good measure of where we are really at .
+1
Quote from: ross matt on June 26, 2011, 07:49:42 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 25, 2011, 11:56:21 PM
Quote from: ross matt on June 24, 2011, 08:40:49 PM
Yeah I too cant believe how cocky Mayo are this week. Today especially.
So you think we are cocky on this board, do you?You might go pay a visit to hoganstand then if you want to know what the Mayo heads over there have to say about the game. It was a case of firsts all the way when I checked the Mayo forum today.
It was my first time to do this and this is what I found in the first post in the first topic I clicked on:
"Mayo will bring the shooting boots for this game but ya can't score unless ya don't have the ball."
How's that for a spot of insightful analysis? ;D
A Íosa Críost na bhFlaitheas! Here was me in me innocence, thinking our bucks found it hard enough to score when they had the ball and this genius figures we'll be better off without a ball at all.
That was bad enough but not one of the twenty or so who followed him picked up on it. Maybe they know something over there that we don't.
No Lar. I was being sarcastic. Never heard such beal bocht from ye in all my life. However that'll all cease now with the chance to rub the Rossie noses in it again in the Hyde. ;)
Arrah, sure I knew you were. (Maybe I do an odd biteen of winding up from time to time.)
I just wanted you to see what a true Mayo fan in full flight can come up with. ;D
Going by what I read on my first visit to hogandstand's Mayo forum, I'd venture that those of us who post here are the essence of objective analysis and insightful observation.
(Memo to myself: Ah, ffs Lar, shut up!)
Beal bocht-ery is alive and well in Ireland and will continue to be as long as there is a microphone stuck in front of a bainisteoir's gob in the lead-in to any game. Have you ever heard a manager yet who doesn't play down his own side's chances or build up the opposition's for all it's worth?
Do you think Fergie will come out before the CF and tell the world that Roscommon will knock the stuffing outa Mayo? James H is equally unlikely to say in public what he may be privately thinking. It's an established and venerable game of cat and mousery –an enhancement of beal bochtery. (Howzat??)
Fans inevitably follow their manager's led and in this instance Mayo is no different to any other county. There are over 60 regular Mayo posters here and it's reasonable to expect a wide divergence of opinion where postings are concerned but I'd say most of the pessimistic predictions were genuine concerns.
How could it be otherwise?
Mayo hadn't come up with a positive championship display in years and, given the vagaries of the championship fixtures, Galway were playing their first game and so their form couldn't be assessed.
That game could have gone either way. If Galway had the wit to feed Pee Joyce or if Keith Higgins had been sent off, the result could well have been very different. Long-suffering Mayo fans know full well that you can't take your eye of them Galway hoors until the final whistle has blown.
Mayo fans had more cause to feel apprehensive about game than they had to be cocky about anything. Some may indeed have been but with the number of Mayo posters on here it would be unreasonable to think otherwise.
But one aspect of your post puzzles me and I'm not being confrontational here:
I had responded to a post where you said:
Yeah I too cant believe how cocky Mayo are this week. Today especially.Here you say:
Never heard such beal bocht from ye in all my life.Like any good Mayo fan I seldom let logic get in my way where football is concerned but I'm stumped on this one. How can we be both at the same time?
Maybe you would enlighten me?
Regarding your last observation:
However that'll all cease now with the chance to rub the Rossie noses in it again in the Hyde. Hah?
Why should you think this way? Your side are the defending Connacht champions and I'm damn sure they feel they have a point to prove—in the last two seasons Roscommon have not met or beat Mayo or Galway.
Mayo will look on this game as a tough challenge against an improving side that are roughly at the same stage of development as themselves. The needle you find in Mayo v Galway encounters won't be there. The Hyde will hold no significance for present-day Mayo players; why should it?
Right now, I wouldn't bet a bob on the outcome and I don't think any sensible Mayo fan will do so either. I'll wait until the last possible minute before I'll make a stab at a prediction as injuries on either side could be a big factor on the day.
I'll be quite surprised if most Mayo fans don't think the same way.
I don't any Ross fan looking at the game y'day can say Mayo fans were overdoing the beal bocht. First half was atrocious but we improved and deserved to win. If we continue the improvement and the team beds in we're most certainly in with a shot on CF day.
As for this Div 1 v Div 4 thing, it can be slightly misleading. The Rossies are coming out of a bad few years as last years Connacht Champ win and this years promotion prove. Where there actual level is now is open for debate but personally on form I'd have them as a Div 2 team at least. In other words not much between the two teams and the Hyde isn't exactly a happy hunting ground for Mayo.
I reckon this is a 50-50 game, there is definitely room for improvement in Mayo but confidence is fragile. If the improvement comes and we knock over a couple of these frees we've been missing stupidly early on then I'd be fairly confident. If we stagnate or miss the chances like we did against London, that confidence could drain away fairly quickly.
Also our defence is still relatively untested at this level so it isn't known if the likes of Donie Vaughan and Alan Feeney can handle Shine, Kilbride and co.
It'd be nice to get revenge for 01.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 27, 2011, 03:17:12 PM
Quote from: ross matt on June 26, 2011, 07:49:42 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 25, 2011, 11:56:21 PM
Quote from: ross matt on June 24, 2011, 08:40:49 PM
Yeah I too cant believe how cocky Mayo are this week. Today especially.
So you think we are cocky on this board, do you?You might go pay a visit to hoganstand then if you want to know what the Mayo heads over there have to say about the game. It was a case of firsts all the way when I checked the Mayo forum today.
It was my first time to do this and this is what I found in the first post in the first topic I clicked on:
"Mayo will bring the shooting boots for this game but ya can't score unless ya don't have the ball."
How's that for a spot of insightful analysis? ;D
A Íosa Críost na bhFlaitheas! Here was me in me innocence, thinking our bucks found it hard enough to score when they had the ball and this genius figures we'll be better off without a ball at all.
That was bad enough but not one of the twenty or so who followed him picked up on it. Maybe they know something over there that we don't.
No Lar. I was being sarcastic. Never heard such beal bocht from ye in all my life. However that'll all cease now with the chance to rub the Rossie noses in it again in the Hyde. ;)
Arrah, sure I knew you were. (Maybe I do an odd biteen of winding up from time to time.)
I just wanted you to see what a true Mayo fan in full flight can come up with. ;D
Going by what I read on my first visit to hogandstand's Mayo forum, I'd venture that those of us who post here are the essence of objective analysis and insightful observation.
(Memo to myself: Ah, ffs Lar, shut up!)
Beal bocht-ery is alive and well in Ireland and will continue to be as long as there is a microphone stuck in front of a bainisteoir's gob in the lead-in to any game. Have you ever heard a manager yet who doesn't play down his own side's chances or build up the opposition's for all it's worth?
Do you think Fergie will come out before the CF and tell the world that Roscommon will knock the stuffing outa Mayo? James H is equally unlikely to say in public what he may be privately thinking. It's an established and venerable game of cat and mousery –an enhancement of beal bochtery. (Howzat??)
Fans inevitably follow their manager's led and in this instance Mayo is no different to any other county. There are over 60 regular Mayo posters here and it's reasonable to expect a wide divergence of opinion where postings are concerned but I'd say most of the pessimistic predictions were genuine concerns.
How could it be otherwise?
Mayo hadn't come up with a positive championship display in years and, given the vagaries of the championship fixtures, Galway were playing their first game and so their form couldn't be assessed.
That game could have gone either way. If Galway had the wit to feed Pee Joyce or if Keith Higgins had been sent off, the result could well have been very different. Long-suffering Mayo fans know full well that you can't take your eye of them Galway hoors until the final whistle has blown.
Mayo fans had more cause to feel apprehensive about game than they had to be cocky about anything. Some may indeed have been but with the number of Mayo posters on here it would be unreasonable to think otherwise.
But one aspect of your post puzzles me and I'm not being confrontational here:
I had responded to a post where you said:
[i]Yeah I too cant believe how cocky Mayo are this week. Today especially.[/i]
Here you say:
Never heard such beal bocht from ye in all my life.
Like any good Mayo fan I seldom let logic get in my way where football is concerned but I'm stumped on this one. How can we be both at the same time?
Maybe you would enlighten me?
Regarding your last observation:
However that'll all cease now with the chance to rub the Rossie noses in it again in the Hyde.
Hah?
Why should you think this way? Your side are the defending Connacht champions and I'm damn sure they feel they have a point to prove—in the last two seasons Roscommon have not met or beat Mayo or Galway.
Mayo will look on this game as a tough challenge against an improving side that are roughly at the same stage of development as themselves. The needle you find in Mayo v Galway encounters won't be there. The Hyde will hold no significance for present-day Mayo players; why should it?
Right now, I wouldn't bet a bob on the outcome and I don't think any sensible Mayo fan will do so either. I'll wait until the last possible minute before I'll make a stab at a prediction as injuries on either side could be a big factor on the day.
I'll be quite surprised if most Mayo fans don't think the same way.
Hi Lar. Twas like I said I was being sarcastic when I referred to ye'er cockiness and being genuine re the beal bocht. Mayo seemed very despondent leading up to the match. I'm a bit like yourself re leaving it to the last minute to predict the result of the final. Injuries etc in the lead up can be a factor. I do think Ross can win it but Mayo won ugly yesterday and in days gone by that was a match they could have thrown away. I genuinely do feel Horan has brought mental toughness to them and that they're improving with every match.
Ye have taken yere revenge many times what we need now is for ye to show us some mercy
Quote from: mjg on June 27, 2011, 03:49:05 PM
Ye have taken yere revenge many times what we need now is for ye to show us some mercy
100% true, have to laugh when Mayo fans say they are seeking revenge.
Quote from: Barney on June 27, 2011, 08:32:26 AM
The Mayo/Ros rivalry has really been revived at underage level the last few years. Anybody who has been to any of the under 21 games between the two counties will realise that there is nothing between them, and that the games are often exciting with good flowing football and go to the death.
If it's anything like the game in Charlestown in 2009 I think the whole country will enjoy it - probably the greatest game of football played in Connacht in the last 10 years:
http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6191&Itemid=39 (http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6191&Itemid=39)
Jaysus barney could you not at least have posted one of our wins instead of one of Roscommon's biggest under aged heartbreaks :(
QuoteRoscommon deserve to be favourites with the game being in the Hyde swinging it for them
Current odds to lift the Nestor Cup with betfair
Mayo 1/2 Ross 6/4
Mayo are worthy hot favourites. They were 20pts the better team 2 years ago.
Ross might have closed the gap but its still huge.
Whoever loses this game & the Ulster final will have to play a round 4 game six days later while the losers in the Munster final have a two week break to prepare.
I see on another forum mayo lads talking about cork or kerry in the a1 semi now thats where ye should be looking for revwenge :-X
QuoteWhoever loses this game & the Ulster final will have to play a round 4 game six days later while the losers in the Munster final have a two week break to prepare.
I know its crazy.
Galway Mayo should have been on last week when there was only 1 other football game on.
Who ever loses will more than likely suffer same fate as Sligo last year
Quote from: Rossie11 on June 27, 2011, 05:22:58 PM
QuoteWhoever loses this game & the Ulster final will have to play a round 4 game six days later while the losers in the Munster final have a two week break to prepare.
I know its crazy.
Galway Mayo should have been on last week when there was only 1 other football game on.
Who ever loses will more than likely suffer same fate as Sligo last year
Agreed can't see the loser picking themselves up for a game 6 days later v someone like Kildare,Down or Armagh. Apparently the Connacht final will be on first next year.
why is it when longfor hockey the sheepsteelers no one bats an eylid but whe they beat mayo its a gign of the end of the world yet mayo people are seriously debating a roscommon connaught final win.
some one is having some one on here.
After all in the last 2 years roscommon have been in division 4 and managed to beat sligo and leitrim in the championship
who's fooling who?
TBH Galway were so bad yesterday we wouldn't have found out anything about ourselves (if we played them in the final) but now v Mayo win lose or draw we'll know how far we have come in 2yrs.
10 years since we beat Mayo in Championship football! thats alot of cows milked in that time & if we win their won't be a cow milked in Roscommon for weeks after.
QuoteIt'd be nice to get revenge for 01
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2002, 2004, 2005, 2009.......
Exactly how much revenge does a man need?
Quote from: ross4life on June 27, 2011, 06:06:45 PM
Quote from: Rossie11 on June 27, 2011, 05:22:58 PM
QuoteWhoever loses this game & the Ulster final will have to play a round 4 game six days later while the losers in the Munster final have a two week break to prepare.
I know its crazy.
Galway Mayo should have been on last week when there was only 1 other football game on.
Who ever loses will more than likely suffer same fate as Sligo last year
Agreed can't see the loser picking themselves up for a game 6 days later v someone like Kildare,Down or Armagh. Apparently the Connacht final will be on first next year.
Fellas, you're cutting your own throats if that's the way you feel.
Whoever wins the Connacht Final has a disadvantage, obviously. But the season isn't over. Bounce back in six days and you're in exactly the same position that the Connacht Champions are in.
Being a provincial champion isn't an advantage in the quarter final draw because while you avoid whoever wins the Munster final you can still get whoever loses it and they can tear you a new one. But to run up a white flag before you've even got to that stage is mentally weak.
You've spent the summer listening to people sneer at Connacht football. Man up, show some pride and don't go getting excuses in first.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on June 26, 2011, 10:25:48 PM
The Mayo poor-mouthing of how Roscommon are favourites is ridiculous when you bear the facts of my first comment in mind. We should expect to go up there and win.
I can't say I was all that surprised to hear James Horan talking up Roscommon after Mayo's win over Galway. Sure isn't it practically a GAA tradition!
He was the fan's favourite for the job. It's his first season in charge at inter-county level.
He's a young manager trying to build a new team, in a county which demands and expects success.
Why wouldn't he talk up The Rossies when you think about it. A manager couldn't go wrong doing that, could he?
Except ... I dunno ...this is Mayo we're talking about here after all.
More experienced heads than Horan have previously tried to change Mayo's approach, withour success.
I was surprised at how deferential his comments towards The Rossies were though - and worse still they didn't even really stand up to scrutiny.
I suppose the world is always turning though - but the spectacle of Mayoites beal-bochting their chances against Galway the last day, followed by yeer manager now talking up The Ros as a superpower of the last few years ... well, I don't mind admitting I find it all downright disconcerting somehow or other.
And then again, could it be that some of Johnno's ideas regarding the downplaying and evening out of expectations have belatedly started to take root?
Surely not Mayoites, surely not? Say it ain't so lads, say it ain't so ...
PS Just saw your post there R&GS. Phew! Good to see some consistency in a world gone mad after all ;)
If it was anywhere else apart from Hyde Park with all the Rossies baying for the Mayo blood I'd be confident. But it is in Hyde Park so I'm not that confident at all. I'm less confident about this game after winning against Galway than I was of the Galway game coming through against London. Especially as ye are the reigning champions and ye tend to win 2 at the start of decades after ye have won one.
I don't know why I am nervous, despite Rossies trying to fool us all by saying that they've only done this, that and the other. The simple fact is, Mayo haven't done anything for quite a while either. :-\
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 29, 2011, 01:38:45 PM
I don't know why I am nervous, despite Rossies trying to fool us all by saying that they've only done this, that and the other. The simple fact is, Mayo haven't done anything for quite a while either. :-\
But ye've been doing nothin at a much higher level than we've been. ;)
Hopefully Geoffrey will be able to keep the ball kicked out t'ye on the 17th :-[
By the way I hope for his own sake that Enda won't be attending.
If anything happens to him it will be a long way to Galway in an ambulance >:(
Quote from: Rossfan on June 29, 2011, 02:06:54 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 29, 2011, 01:38:45 PM
I don't know why I am nervous, despite Rossies trying to fool us all by saying that they've only done this, that and the other. The simple fact is, Mayo haven't done anything for quite a while either. :-\
But ye've been doing nothin at a much higher level than we've been. ;)
Hopefully Geoffrey will be able to keep the ball kicked out t'ye on the 17th :-[
By the way I hope for his own sake that Enda won't be attending.
If anything happens to him it will be a long way to Galway in an ambulance >:(
::) Good man, drag politics into the mix.
And implied threats to the Taoiseach as well while you're at it - lovely folk....
Aye indeed . We love batin rhubarbs . ;D
Jaysus I thought this thread had disappeared in the midst of the analysis of Castlebar's feast of football. Very little Mayo activity on it. They're so casual about Connacht titles at this stage.... ;)
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Thare are a lot of smilies accompanying the poor mouth from the Rossies on here and I don't believe a word of it.
Roscommon are certainly on the rise and you sense that the county is quietly confident that the 2009 drubbing will be avenged on 17th and you would also have to think that they would want it badly as that was a bleak day out.
I think it will be a battle of heart more than football the next day and we have not shone in that department but there were encouraging signs against Galway that we might be finding our pride again. I have a feeling that we will need to look deep into the well to come away from Hyde park with the Nestor cup.
I don't believe the rossies are poor mouthing at all, they have endured many bleak years & only now they are finding their feet, when you consider the age of the team they are still very much work in progress & you won't see them at their best for another 2/3 years.
The difference IMO between the sides is Mayo could play as poorly as they did v London & still win while Roscommon could play their best championship game for 10 years but still lose.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 30, 2011, 04:39:21 PM
The difference IMO between the sides is Mayo could play as poorly as they did v London & still win while Roscommon could play their best championship game for 10 years but still lose.
Maybe I'm just a bit slow but I don't understand what the above statement is trying to prove/say.........
Quote from: Beard on June 30, 2011, 06:12:17 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 30, 2011, 04:39:21 PM
The difference IMO between the sides is Mayo could play as poorly as they did v London & still win while Roscommon could play their best championship game for 10 years but still lose.
Maybe I'm just a bit slow but I don't understand what the above statement is trying to prove/say.........
At the moment Mayo are a level ahead of Roscommon & sometimes better teams can play poorly but still win & it's rare that happens with the underdog.
I hope I'm wrong as i would always follow the underdog & a win for Roscommon here would be their most significant victory for over a decade.
Drawing with and then beating Wexford after the disaster at Castlebar were 2 very significant games .
Showed we had character and perseverance and no fear of failure.
We are preparing quietly and hope to give a good account of ourselves in the CF. Let's see where that brings us.... but I won't be surprised if we have a Plan B up the sleeve for coping with the 6 day turnaround if we lose.
This is what i said back in October.
Quote from: ross4life on October 18, 2010, 07:28:05 PM
As Rossie the target for us in the next 12 month's would be St Brigid's winning Connacht, Roscommon Senior's getting promotion & making a Connacht final & Connacht title for one of our under-aged team's! anything else will be a bonus
Just one Minor win away from achieving that target & of course winning a Connacht senior title would be added bonus but not the end of the world if we don't.
Quote from: ross4life on June 30, 2011, 06:46:59 PM
This is what i said back in October.
Quote from: ross4life on October 18, 2010, 07:28:05 PM
As Rossie the target for us in the next 12 month's would be St Brigid's winning Connacht, Roscommon Senior's getting promotion & making a Connacht final & Connacht title for one of our under-aged team's! anything else will be a bonus
Just one Minor win away from achieving that target & of course winning a Connacht senior title would be added bonus but not the end of the world if we don't.
Winning the Connacht Senior last year has taken off the pressure to win silverware this year.
However winning the minor would be a significant one and would at this stage mean more to me anyway than retaining the Senior.
Mind you I want to see us winning the 2 ;) of course.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 30, 2011, 06:30:43 PM
Drawing with and then beating Wexford after the disaster at Castlebar were 2 very significant games .
Showed we had character and perseverance and no fear of failure.
We are preparing quietly and hope to give a good account of ourselves in the CF. Let's see where that brings us.... but I won't be surprised if we have a Plan B up the sleeve for coping with the 6 day turnaround if we lose.
I won't be surprised at all if it's Mayo that have to face the 6 day turnaround. :-\
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 30, 2011, 06:23:58 PM
Quote from: Beard on June 30, 2011, 06:12:17 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 30, 2011, 04:39:21 PM
The difference IMO between the sides is Mayo could play as poorly as they did v London & still win while Roscommon could play their best championship game for 10 years but still lose.
Maybe I'm just a bit slow but I don't understand what the above statement is trying to prove/say.........
At the moment Mayo are a level ahead of Roscommon & sometimes better teams can play poorly but still win & it's rare that happens with the underdog.
I hope I'm wrong as i would always follow the underdog & a win for Roscommon here would be their most significant victory for over a decade.
Okay, I think I'm fairly clear about what you are getting at which is a relief.
First point -
Mayo could play as poorly as they did v London & still win. Correct, if Roscommon play really badly.
Second point -
Roscommon could play their best championship game for 10 years but still lose.
Correct again...but only if Mayo play well.
Third point -
Mayo are a level ahead of Roscommon -
Once again correct. Mayo are in Division 1, Roscommon inhabit(ed) Division 4. I wasn't previously aware of this fact.
Fourth point -
sometimes better teams can play poorly but still win & it's rare that happens with the underdog.
Yet again you are correct. Underdogs are not as good as favorites. Usually because they are in a lower division or don't beat many other teams.
Fifth point -
a win for Roscommon here would be their most significant victory for over a decade.Preamble over, into the meat of it now. Key point here is we are going back over a decade, so back to 2000. We have won 2 Connacht titles during this time. Both wins ended 9 and 10 year waits for Connacht titles. I don't know about you but for me as a life long Roscommon supporter I would describe both of these wins as
significant. I'd love to know why winning the Connacht Final this year would be anymore
significant than winning the Connacht Final, say.... I don't know...last year. ??? Obviously given the ground breaking analysis in points 1 to 4 above I will have accept your findings and concur that this will indeed be Roscommon's most
significant win since .....(why stop at 2000).......1944.
Quote from: Beard on June 30, 2011, 11:02:42 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 30, 2011, 06:23:58 PM
Quote from: Beard on June 30, 2011, 06:12:17 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 30, 2011, 04:39:21 PM
The difference IMO between the sides is Mayo could play as poorly as they did v London & still win while Roscommon could play their best championship game for 10 years but still lose.
Maybe I'm just a bit slow but I don't understand what the above statement is trying to prove/say.........
At the moment Mayo are a level ahead of Roscommon & sometimes better teams can play poorly but still win & it's rare that happens with the underdog.
I hope I'm wrong as i would always follow the underdog & a win for Roscommon here would be their most significant victory for over a decade.
Okay, I think I'm fairly clear about what you are getting at which is a relief.
First point - Mayo could play as poorly as they did v London & still win.
Correct, if Roscommon play really badly.
Second point - Roscommon could play their best championship game for 10 years but still lose.
Correct again...but only if Mayo play well.
Third point - Mayo are a level ahead of Roscommon -
Once again correct. Mayo are in Division 1, Roscommon inhabit(ed) Division 4. I wasn't previously aware of this fact.
Fourth point - sometimes better teams can play poorly but still win & it's rare that happens with the underdog.
Yet again you are correct. Underdogs are not as good as favorites. Usually because they are in a lower division or don't beat many other teams.
Fifth point - a win for Roscommon here would be their most significant victory for over a decade.
Preamble over, into the meat of it now. Key point here is we are going back over a decade, so back to 2000. We have won 2 Connacht titles during this time. Both wins ended 9 and 10 year waits for Connacht titles. I don't know about you but for me as a life long Roscommon supporter I would describe both of these wins as significant. I'd love to know why winning the Connacht Final this year would be anymore significant than winning the Connacht Final, say.... I don't know...last year. ??? Obviously given the ground breaking analysis in points 1 to 4 above I will have accept your findings and concur that this will indeed be Roscommon's most significant win since .....(why stop at 2000).......1944.
Maybe i should have said just a decade (10 years) instead of over a decade then? however looking back 2001 was nothing more than a false dawn, indiscipline behind the scenes & choice of poor Managers cost you the chance to progress from that significant victory.
Yes last year was significant getting the 9 year monkey off your back however this year would be more noticeably & likely to have more of a influence if you can beat Mayo & the next step after that would be to win a game in Croke park.
Finally ease off on the sarcasm like a good chap.
Quote from: ross4life on June 30, 2011, 06:46:59 PM
This is what i said back in October.
Quote from: ross4life on October 18, 2010, 07:28:05 PM
As Rossie the target for us in the next 12 month's would be St Brigid's winning Connacht, Roscommon Senior's getting promotion & making a Connacht final & Connacht title for one of our under-aged team's! anything else will be a bonus
Just one Minor win away from achieving that target & of course winning a Connacht senior title would be added bonus but not the end of the world if we don't.
That's a pretty reasonable statement, IMO but I think you may be downplaying the significance of a senior win.
When, if ever, did Roscommon win back-to-back Connacht titles?
Given the years of turmoil and unrest that preceded his appointment, Fergie managed to steer Roscommon to a Connacht title win. This was a fine achievement by any standards but it was all the more remarkable because of Roscommon's dismal League performance.
By comparison, Mayo topped Division One and had their worst Championship campaign in living memory. This year ye operated in an even lower division than last year and are back within sight of the Connacht title once again. Last year's win mightn't mean that much to you hard-to-please lot because: A) you got to the final via the easiest possible and B) you didn't meet either of your Big Bad Neighbours in it. (Absolutely no offence meant, Sligonian! ;D )
Surely a win this year against either Galway or Mayo means something to ye all?
Rollox to your minors; don't tell me ye aren't bothered about a senior win!
Listen; ye shower could out beal bocht us any day!
We had good reason to feel worried coming up to the Galway match: an indifferent league run that followed on from last year's championship debacle and a cat performance against London gave us no reason to feel upbeat about our chances in McHale Park. But the win against Galway certainly marked progress for our side and ye can forget about white feathers when we meet.
I'm not all that hard to please; a great game followed by a win of any calibre will make me one happy bunny.
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That's a pretty reasonable statement, IMO but I think you may be downplaying the significance of a senior win.
When, if ever, did Roscommon win back-to-back Connacht titles?
We have a fine history of winning back-to-back Connacht Senior titles (check it out it might worry you)
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Given the years of turmoil and unrest that preceded his appointment, Fergie managed to steer Roscommon to a Connacht title win. This was a fine achievement by any standards but it was all the more remarkable because of Roscommon's dismal League performance.
By comparison, Mayo topped Division One and had their worst Championship campaign in living memory.
Indeed it was a fine achievement by fergie last year. i have seen worse Mayo campaigns & have also seen Mayo win Connacht titles from the platform of lower divisions.
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Surely a win this year against either Galway or Mayo means something to ye all?
Rollox to your minors; don't tell me ye aren't bothered about a senior win!
Yes it with mean alot..it will mean significant progress but i'm looking at the wider picture where we need to getting to Connacht finals on a regular basis & obviously winning or fare share.
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Listen; ye shower could out beal bocht us any day!
And likewise we have good reason to feel worried coming up to the this final the performances v Longford,Fermanagh,Clare,Wicklow are still fresh in the memory & yes since then we got a fine win in Carrick or best for years but come July 17th that will be 6 weeks ago & Leitrim will have shipped equalling heavy defeat.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 30, 2011, 08:50:14 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 30, 2011, 06:30:43 PM
Drawing with and then beating Wexford after the disaster at Castlebar were 2 very significant games .
Showed we had character and perseverance and no fear of failure.
We are preparing quietly and hope to give a good account of ourselves in the CF. Let's see where that brings us.... but I won't be surprised if we have a Plan B up the sleeve for coping with the 6 day turnaround if we lose.
I won't be surprised at all if it's Mayo that have to face the 6 day turnaround. :-\
I'll be surprised when the day comes that you'll fancy Mayo going into a game :D
Quote from: ross4life on July 01, 2011, 03:27:49 AM
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That's a pretty reasonable statement, IMO but I think you may be downplaying the significance of a senior win.
When, if ever, did Roscommon win back-to-back Connacht titles?
We have a fine history of winning back-to-back Connacht Senior titles (check it out it might worry you)
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Given the years of turmoil and unrest that preceded his appointment, Fergie managed to steer Roscommon to a Connacht title win. This was a fine achievement by any standards but it was all the more remarkable because of Roscommon's dismal League performance.
By comparison, Mayo topped Division One and had their worst Championship campaign in living memory.
Indeed it was a fine achievement by fergie last year. i have seen worse Mayo campaigns & have also seen Mayo win Connacht titles from the platform of lower divisions.
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Surely a win this year against either Galway or Mayo means something to ye all?
Rollox to your minors; don't tell me ye aren't bothered about a senior win!
Yes it with mean alot..it will mean significant progress but i'm looking at the wider picture where we need to getting to Connacht finals on a regular basis & obviously winning or fare share.
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Listen; ye shower could out beal bocht us any day!
And likewise we have good reason to feel worried coming up to the this final the performances v Longford,Fermanagh,Clare,Wicklow are still fresh in the memory & yes since then we got a fine win in Carrick or best for years but come July 17th that will be 6 weeks ago & Leitrim will have shipped equalling heavy defeat.
Mayo were in Division 3 in 1996.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 01, 2011, 02:16:29 AM
When, if ever, did Roscommon win back-to-back Connacht titles?
In case you haven't taken Ross4life's advice and checked it out :-
43/44 , 46/47 , 52/53 , 61/62 , 77/78/79/80 , 91/92 ...........
Quote from: Rossfan on July 01, 2011, 11:43:24 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 01, 2011, 02:16:29 AM
When, if ever, did Roscommon win back-to-back Connacht titles?
In case you haven't taken Ross4life's advice and checked it out :-
43/44 , 46/47 , 52/53 , 61/62 , 77/78/79/80 , 91/92 ...........
It was 90/91 ;)
Book-ended by Mayo wins in 89 where we got to the final against Cork, and 92 where we lost a terrible semi v Donegal.
Good to see ya chaecked.
We should have done the 4 in a row again to save ye the embarassment :D
Quote from: Rossfan on July 01, 2011, 12:37:36 PM
Good to see ya chaecked.
We should have done the 4 in a row again to save ye the embarassment :D
There was no embarrassment in 89! Well, bar the song that was released maybe :D
Quote from: Tubberman on July 01, 2011, 12:48:40 PM
no embarrassment in 89! Well, bar the song that was released maybe :D
Was that the wailin " Maaaayo , Maaayo , Sam Maguire is going home(sic sic sic) to Maaaaaayo " :-[
Quote from: Rossfan on July 01, 2011, 12:50:32 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on July 01, 2011, 12:48:40 PM
no embarrassment in 89! Well, bar the song that was released maybe :D
Was that the wailin " Maaaayo , Maaayo , Sam Maguire is going home(sic sic sic) to Maaaaaayo " :-[
:D No, that was our 96 offering to the charts. An old teacher of mine was involved in that actually.
In 89 it was something about Willie Joe lepping out of the cot and onto his mother's lap or something... I can't remember, I was only 9 myself.
1989 was 'Doc Carroll'
'Right boys fight boys, steady as a rock, we'll win the Sam Maguire and we'll fly him home to knock'
Diddley eye die diddley etc.
Quote from: stephenite on July 01, 2011, 01:33:48 PM
1989 was 'Doc Carroll'
'Right boys fight boys, steady as a rock, we'll win the Sam Maguire and we'll fly him home to knock'
Diddley eye die diddley etc.
they just don't write them like that no more
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 01, 2011, 02:16:29 AM
Quote from: ross4life on June 30, 2011, 06:46:59 PM
This is what i said back in October.
Quote from: ross4life on October 18, 2010, 07:28:05 PM
As Rossie the target for us in the next 12 month's would be St Brigid's winning Connacht, Roscommon Senior's getting promotion & making a Connacht final & Connacht title for one of our under-aged team's! anything else will be a bonus
Just one Minor win away from achieving that target & of course winning a Connacht senior title would be added bonus but not the end of the world if we don't.
That's a pretty reasonable statement, IMO but I think you may be downplaying the significance of a senior win.
When, if ever, did Roscommon win back-to-back Connacht titles?
Given the years of turmoil and unrest that preceded his appointment, Fergie managed to steer Roscommon to a Connacht title win. This was a fine achievement by any standards but it was all the more remarkable because of Roscommon's dismal League performance.
By comparison, Mayo topped Division One and had their worst Championship campaign in living memory. This year ye operated in an even lower division than last year and are back within sight of the Connacht title once again. Last year's win mightn't mean that much to you hard-to-please lot because: A) you got to the final via the easiest possible and B) you didn't meet either of your Big Bad Neighbours in it. (Absolutely no offence meant, Sligonian! ;D )
Surely a win this year against either Galway or Mayo means something to ye all?
Rollox to your minors; don't tell me ye aren't bothered about a senior win!
Listen; ye shower could out beal bocht us any day!
We had good reason to feel worried coming up to the Galway match: an indifferent league run that followed on from last year's championship debacle and a cat performance against London gave us no reason to feel upbeat about our chances in McHale Park. But the win against Galway certainly marked progress for our side and ye can forget about white feathers when we meet.
I'm not all that hard to please; a great game followed by a win of any calibre will make me one happy bunny.
Winning the minor would great in terms of continued underage success but the senior match is hugely important for us. We havent beaten Mayo or Galway at this level for a decade and despite having done it at minor/u-21 until its achieved at senior this present Roscommon side be fully "there" yet.
We have a fine history of winning back-to-back Connacht Senior titles (check it out it might worry you)
Arrah, I don't need to check anything; didn't Rossfan give me the answer? ;D
I had expected him to do so alright but I thought a few more of ye would have waded in by now and give me the info I was looking for.
If you read what I wrote again, you will see that I was asking a perfectly straight question. I already knew about the All Ireland years and the four in a row titles but I didn't feel the need to do any grunt work to look up the full list when I knew that some of ye would be only too ready to come up with the answer.
But the last double was 91/92 ( thanks Rossfan) and not one of the present squad was old enough to know anything about it. I'm sure Fergie and his lads know that it's the here and now that matters most and they won't be rubbishing their chances—like some of their supporters are doing.
Indeed it was a fine achievement by fergie last year. i have seen worse Mayo campaigns & have also seen Mayo win Connacht titles from the platform of lower divisions.
Yeah, as muppet says, Mayo were in Div 3 in '96. League status is never a reliable guide to Championship form. Like I said, Mayo topped Div 1 and their exploits in the Championship will long live on in our folk memory—unfortunately. Ross nosedived into Div 4 and are defending their Connacht title now.
And likewise we have good reason to feel worried coming up to the this final the performances v Longford,Fermanagh,Clare,Wicklow are still fresh in the memory & yes since then we got a fine win in Carrick or best for years but come July 17th that will be 6 weeks ago & Leitrim will have shipped equalling heavy defeat.
Of course you have legitimate grounds for concern; same as Mayo. But both counties have grounds for optimism also. I genuinely expect a cracker of a game that will show that Connacht football is alive and well.
Quote from: ross matt on July 01, 2011, 02:11:00 PM
Winning the minor would great in terms of continued underage success but the senior match is hugely important for us. We havent beaten Mayo or Galway at this level for a decade and despite having done it at minor/u-21 until its achieved at senior this present Roscommon side be fully "there" yet.
Spot on; that's the very point I was trying to make.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 01, 2011, 02:13:52 PM
We have a fine history of winning back-to-back Connacht Senior titles (check it out it might worry you)
Arrah, I don't need to check anything; didn't Rossfan give me the answer? ;D
I had expected him to do so alright but I thought a few more of ye would have waded in by now and give me the info I was looking for.
If you read what I wrote again, you will see that I was asking a perfectly straight question. I already knew about the All Ireland years and the four in a row titles but I didn't feel the need to do any grunt work to look up the full list when I knew that some of ye would be only too ready to come up with the answer.
But the last double was 91/92 ( thanks Rossfan) and not one of the present squad was old enough to know anything about it. I'm sure Fergie and his lads know that it's the here and now that matters most and they won't be rubbishing their chances—like some of their supporters are doing.
Indeed it was a fine achievement by fergie last year. i have seen worse Mayo campaigns & have also seen Mayo win Connacht titles from the platform of lower divisions.
Yeah, as muppet says, Mayo were in Div 3 in '96. League status is never a reliable guide to Championship form. Like I said, Mayo topped Div 1 and their exploits in the Championship will long live on in our folk memory—unfortunately. Ross nosedived into Div 4 and are defending their Connacht title now.
And likewise we have good reason to feel worried coming up to the this final the performances v Longford,Fermanagh,Clare,Wicklow are still fresh in the memory & yes since then we got a fine win in Carrick or best for years but come July 17th that will be 6 weeks ago & Leitrim will have shipped equalling heavy defeat.
Of course you have legitimate grounds for concern; same as Mayo. But both counties have grounds for optimism also. I genuinely expect a cracker of a game that will show that Connacht football is alive and well.
+1 Lar. I think (certainly hope) it will be a great game.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 01, 2011, 02:13:52 PM
We have a fine history of winning back-to-back Connacht Senior titles (check it out it might worry you)
Arrah, I don't need to check anything; didn't Rossfan give me the answer? ;D
I had expected him to do so alright but I thought a few more of ye would have waded in by now and give me the info I was looking for.
If you read what I wrote again, you will see that I was asking a perfectly straight question. I already knew about the All Ireland years and the four in a row titles but I didn't feel the need to do any grunt work to look up the full list when I knew that some of ye would be only too ready to come up with the answer.
But the last double was 91/92 ( thanks Rossfan) and not one of the present squad was old enough to know anything about it. I'm sure Fergie and his lads know that it's the here and now that matters most and they won't be rubbishing their chances—like some of their supporters are doing.
Indeed it was a fine achievement by fergie last year. i have seen worse Mayo campaigns & have also seen Mayo win Connacht titles from the platform of lower divisions.
Yeah, as muppet says, Mayo were in Div 3 in '96. League status is never a reliable guide to Championship form. Like I said, Mayo topped Div 1 and their exploits in the Championship will long live on in our folk memory—unfortunately. Ross nosedived into Div 4 and are defending their Connacht title now.
And likewise we have good reason to feel worried coming up to the this final the performances v Longford,Fermanagh,Clare,Wicklow are still fresh in the memory & yes since then we got a fine win in Carrick or best for years but come July 17th that will be 6 weeks ago & Leitrim will have shipped equalling heavy defeat.
Of course you have legitimate grounds for concern; same as Mayo. But both counties have grounds for optimism also. I genuinely expect a cracker of a game that will show that Connacht football is alive and well.
I thought that original comment was tongue in cheek? afterall where not like Leitrim,Sligo with few Connacht titles.
Obviously your not going for it this year however Mayo haven't won back to back Connacht titles since the mid 90s & none of the current panel are old enough to know anything about it though would it make it any more important?
When we won our last back to backs in 90/91 it was with ageing squad the current squad are youthful that hopefully will have many opportunities.
Same here i hope for a cracker of a game! last five Connacht finals where all won by one point & if it's a repeat of that it will mean we have made significant progress from our last few meetings v Mayo.
6 pages into this thread and it seems to me that there's a lot of shadow boxing going on amongst us so far.
How long can it be before the real fireworks start here :D
It's worth noting that the Mayo people on here had a lot more written about the London game 2 weeks beforehand than they have about the Connacht Final, with 2 weeks to go.
This mutual appreciation and beal bocht crap won't last much longer, and what's the betting that a Mayoman will throw the first low blow of a post ::)
Quote from: Shrewdness on July 01, 2011, 07:03:51 PM
what's the betting that a Mayoman will throw the first low blow of a post ::)
Sure it's the only way they know. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Rossfan on July 01, 2011, 07:21:38 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on July 01, 2011, 07:03:51 PM
what's the betting that a Mayoman will throw the first low blow of a post ::)
Sure it's the only way they know. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
They don't have much of an effect though.... ;)
After saying mayo would clobber London and nearly having a seizure listening on the radio to it, I will be happy if we beat them by a point. Still, at least mayo will not be confident about winning it and that's a good thing.
How sad to see Galway back to being a non event team again.
Quote from: mannix on July 02, 2011, 12:23:20 AM
How sad to see Galway back to being a non event team again.
Can't deny that we are down at the moment. But we will be back with bells on at some stage.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 01, 2011, 07:21:38 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on July 01, 2011, 07:03:51 PM
what's the betting that a Mayoman will throw the first low blow of a post ::)
Sure it's the only way they know. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Let's sit around and figure out the stupidity of this.
Quote from: Shrewdness on July 01, 2011, 07:03:51 PM
It's worth noting that the Mayo people on here had a lot more written about the London game 2 weeks beforehand than they have about the Connacht Final, with 2 weeks to go.
This thread might be longer if the discussion on the Mayo v Galway weren't still ongoing as issues remain to be settled. Plenty of time yet.
Quote from: muppet on July 02, 2011, 04:15:28 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 01, 2011, 07:21:38 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on July 01, 2011, 07:03:51 PM
what's the betting that a Mayoman will throw the first low blow of a post ::)
Sure it's the only way they know. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Let's sit around and figure out the stupidity of this.
Musha, there's no need to sit down at all.
I'd take it as a compliment given its source!! ;D
It's a case of praise from the master or an example of "Primus inter Pares" or whatever ye're having yerselves.
The thing that concerns me about Ros is the facile nature of their two wins against poor opposition...They have yet to be tested seriously against a higher standard of opposition, and how will they react when they are.
Mayo got their fright in London, and at half time against Galway seemed to be heading for the Qualifiers, but they buckled down in the second half and came through easily, albeit against a very poor team with a big name.
I think Mayo will come on a good bit from that win, especially in the confidence stakes. They would have gone into the Galway game with their confidence shaken after what happened in London..The Galway win will see a different Mayo in the final, and it's how Roscommon can react to that which concerns me.....Time will tell.
I'm kinda stuck on this one, not on my prediction but whether or not I can go! :-[ I've a wedding the day/night before the game, and I really want to go to it but I don't think I will make it plus my gf wouldn't be too happy if I snuck away from her so I'll have to go against my wishes and miss it. As for my prediction I'll make it the morning of the match. ;)
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 03, 2011, 09:33:29 AM
I'm kinda stuck on this one, not on my prediction but whether or not I can go! :-[ I've a wedding the day/night before the game, and I really want to go to it but I don't think I will make it plus my gf wouldn't be too happy if I snuck away from her so I'll have to go against my wishes and miss it. As for my prediction I'll make it the morning of the match. ;)
That's how it starts, you need to nip it in the bud and go to the game. After you are married it will be all about how the back room or hallway needs painting and you are off to see stupid football? Either that or you will not even be with this one and it would not have mattered if you went or not.
Mayo by one or two points is my prediction.
And another thing, football matches are no place for women, it's either "oh, who's the number 13 in the blue jersey ? Or else " I thought Andy Moran was from Roscommon". And not to mention the danger of getting hit by an errant ball or getting the new hairdo ruined if it rains.
Quote from: mannix on July 03, 2011, 12:31:09 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 03, 2011, 09:33:29 AM
I'm kinda stuck on this one, not on my prediction but whether or not I can go! :-[ I've a wedding the day/night before the game, and I really want to go to it but I don't think I will make it plus my gf wouldn't be too happy if I snuck away from her so I'll have to go against my wishes and miss it. As for my prediction I'll make it the morning of the match. ;)
That's how it starts, you need to nip it in the bud and go to the game. After you are married it will be all about how the back room or hallway needs painting and you are off to see stupid football? Either that or you will not even be with this one and it would not have mattered if you went or not.
Mayo by one or two points is my prediction.
And another thing, football matches are no place for women, it's either "oh, who's the number 13 in the blue jersey ? Or else " I thought Andy Moran was from Roscommon". And not to mention the danger of getting hit by an errant ball or getting the new hairdo ruined if it rains.
Or this one, very loudly, at an All-Ireland Football Final when tickets are scarce: "Where are their sticks?"
Quote from: muppet on July 03, 2011, 12:42:27 PM
Quote from: mannix on July 03, 2011, 12:31:09 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 03, 2011, 09:33:29 AM
I'm kinda stuck on this one, not on my prediction but whether or not I can go! :-[ I've a wedding the day/night before the game, and I really want to go to it but I don't think I will make it plus my gf wouldn't be too happy if I snuck away from her so I'll have to go against my wishes and miss it. As for my prediction I'll make it the morning of the match. ;)
That's how it starts, you need to nip it in the bud and go to the game. After you are married it will be all about how the back room or hallway needs painting and you are off to see stupid football? Either that or you will not even be with this one and it would not have mattered if you went or not.
Mayo by one or two points is my prediction.
And another thing, football matches are no place for women, it's either "oh, who's the number 13 in the blue jersey ? Or else " I thought Andy Moran was from Roscommon". And not to mention the danger of getting hit by an errant ball or getting the new hairdo ruined if it rains.
Or this one, very loudly, at an All-Ireland Football Final when tickets are scarce: "Where are their sticks?"
I nearly cried in 06 when i heard a fat yank ask how many halves were there going to be?....
Quote from: mannix on July 03, 2011, 12:31:09 PM
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" I thought Andy Moran was from Roscommon".
Andy not alone WAS from roscommon .. he still IS FROM ROSCOMMON ;)and supports all his County teams even though he isnt qualified to play fro them.
I think it was the week leading up to the 1997 All Ireland Final, Mid West Radio were doing an outside broadcast somewhere in Mayo.
Paul Claffey was out on the street talking to people about the match etc...Then he spoke to this woman who informed him that she couldn't wait for the match, and yes, she had her ticket and was going to Croke Park.
As with everyone else he interviewed, he asked her to predict the final score.
I will never forget her reply......am, am ONE NIL to MAYO!!!!!!.......Even Claffey sounded stunned.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 03, 2011, 06:07:36 PM
Quote from: mannix on July 03, 2011, 12:31:09 PM
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" I thought Andy Moran was from Roscommon".
Andy not alone WAS from roscommon .. he still IS FROM ROSCOMMON ;)and supports all his County teams even though he isnt qualified to play fro them.
Why do ya insist on peddlin that BS? Was chatting to a current Ballagh player recently and he said there are 3 lads in the squad who are Rossies and Andy ain't one of them.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 03, 2011, 06:07:36 PM
Quote from: mannix on July 03, 2011, 12:31:09 PM
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" I thought Andy Moran was from Roscommon".
Andy not alone WAS from roscommon .. he still IS FROM ROSCOMMON ;)and supports all his County teams even though he isnt qualified to play fro them.
If Andy Moran is that fond of the Rossies he should play for them . He never spared them anytime he played against them .
We had a discussion today, she reckons I should go if I want to go that badly... ;D
Any new injury worries after the weekend??
Presume Harte & McG played for Ballina?
How's Howley getting on??
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 03, 2011, 10:34:39 PM
We had a discussion today, she reckons I should go if I want to go that badly... ;D
That's a start, but please, no more discussing it. Tell her you are going and that's it. Tell her you are doing it for your county and if you make it home alive you will make it up to her before going out for pints to celebrate a great mayo win.
Quote from: mannix on July 04, 2011, 12:37:26 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 03, 2011, 10:34:39 PM
We had a discussion today, she reckons I should go if I want to go that badly... ;D
That's a start, but please, no more discussing it. Tell her you are going and that's it. Tell her you are doing it for your county and if you make it home alive you will make it up to her before going out for pints to celebrate a great mayo win.
Farra tipped a Roscommon win so the question is should he go if he believes his team will lose? :P
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 03, 2011, 10:34:39 PM
We had a discussion today, she reckons I should go if I want to go that badly... ;D
You wouldn't catch a Kerryman asking for permission to go to a game.
Mind you most of them only go to one game a year and the missus gets a shopping trip out of it so it's probably not a big issue.
Quote from: rocco on July 03, 2011, 10:00:38 PM
If Andy Moran is that fond of the Rossies he should play for them . He never spared them anytime he played against them .
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He can't play for Ros under GAA rules ... unless he moved address to another town in the County and joined the club there.
He is an honourable man ( as is natural for a Roscommon man ;)) and obviously gives his all for the team he plays for.
If all the natives of Co Mayo itself who played for Mwr over the years could say the same ..... :-[
Quote from: Rossfan on July 04, 2011, 09:27:43 AM
Quote from: rocco on July 03, 2011, 10:00:38 PM
If Andy Moran is that fond of the Rossies he should play for them . He never spared them anytime he played against them .
He can't play for Ros under GAA rules ... unless he moved address to another town in the County and joined the club there.
He is an honourable man ( as is natural for a Roscommon man ;)) and obviously gives his all for the team he plays for.
If all the natives of Co Mayo itself who played for Mwr over the years could say the same ..... :-[
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True, most of the other lads eased up in 2009 when "ahead"
20.06.2009 Connacht SFC SF Mayo 3-18 Roscommon 0-7
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 03, 2011, 11:59:58 PM
Any new injury worries after the weekend??
Presume Harte & McG played for Ballina?
How's Howley getting on??
Harte,Caff and McG all started for Ballina. All did well, Harte defo not moving 100% yet. McG got a knock on his ankle again towards the end, tried to play on but was taken off because game was well over. Haven't heard how bad it is yet.
C Mort got about 10 mins on Sunday as well I hear.
Looked ok apparently and scored a couple of frees after coming on.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 03, 2011, 10:34:39 PM
We had a discussion today, she reckons I should go if I want to go that badly... ;D
Janey Mac, you didn't fall for that one, diid you?
Now, if you had stood up, straightened the shoulders and looked her in the eye, saying at the same time, "My dear, I simply must go. I shall do my duty, come what may. I must keep the faith at all costs," she would have to believe you.
Especially if you added in your best John Wayne accent; "A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do."
Okay, all she might believe is that you are truly off your rocker- but surely she knows that by now. ;D
Quote from: kevmy on July 04, 2011, 10:53:08 AM
C Mort got about 10 mins on Sunday as well I hear.
Looked ok apparently and scored a couple of frees after coming on.
Ominous. :'(
Quote from: kevmy on July 04, 2011, 10:53:08 AM
C Mort got about 10 mins on Sunday as well I hear.
Looked ok apparently and scored a couple of frees after coming on.
Ya I heard he was back in training, as only he can!
I work with two lads from Shrule and they were laughing about how they had seen he was back training. Apparently there are three different possible pitches that can be used for training in the town. But of the three Goldilocks choose the one right beside the local church. An unusual choice if you know the town and the three pitches as this particular one is probably the poorest of them. But the reason he chose this one was because it was a Sunday morning and it just so happened that half the town were leaving Mass as he jogged by, giving him an instant audience. Looks like he is missing being in the limelight!
Quote from: Ryano on July 04, 2011, 07:16:04 PM
Quote from: kevmy on July 04, 2011, 10:53:08 AM
C Mort got about 10 mins on Sunday as well I hear.
Looked ok apparently and scored a couple of frees after coming on.
Ya I heard he was back in training, as only he can!
I work with two lads from Shrule and they were laughing about how they had seen he was back training. Apparently there are three different possible pitches that can be used for training in the town. But of the three Goldilocks choose the one right beside the local church. An unusual choice if you know the town and the three pitches as this particular one is probably the poorest of them. But the reason he chose this one was because it was a Sunday morning and it just so happened that half the town were leaving Mass as he jogged by, giving him an instant audience. Looks like he is missing being in the limelight!
Agreed he's an attention seeker alright Ryano but he would trouble us from frees if he is fit for the final. That and the possibility of McGarrity back midfield would free up Aidan O'Se for full forward. They then could rain down high ball on our vertically challenged full back line. One way or the other it would make Mayo a much improved version of the side that beat Galway.
Conor Mortimer hasn't started a competitive game in the best part of a year it would be rather silly picking him for a Connacht final in 13 days. Alan Freeman seems to have made full forward his own why move him out?
Less then two weeks to go. I think its time to throw my tuppence worth in.
I for one am delighted with the Galway game. The London hangover is well and truly behind us. Any day we beat Galway by 6 points is a good day in my book. I couldn't give to hoots about the performance. The conditions were terrible and we scored 1-8 in the second half and only conceeded 1 point. Ok Galway were shite but we can only beat whats put in front of us.
This is a young inexperienced team and so far they are showing a vast improvement on last year. The Galway midfield was cleaned out. The two O'Shea's played mighty stuff but the half backs and half forwards won an awful amount of dirty ball, something I havent seen in a Mayo team in a long while. I heard Hennelly interviewed after the match and he said it was something the team was working on.
No doubt the freetaking is still a problem, but again the conditions the last day didn't help. You can see heads dropping all over the place when a handy free is missed. Things then start to get a bit disorganised when lads are trying to decide who's going to take the next one. There is also a fierce amount of extra pressure on the freetaker now as a result of the problems in London and Castlebar. Ive no doubt the management are trying to come up with a solution and I have no doubt they will.
What I would like to see the next day thou is a bit more movement from the forwards to give the free taker a few options. Against Galway a few times as Hennelly was making his long trek up the field, Andy Moran was standing over the ball and every single forward moved in towards the square. Nobody was looking for a fast kick, just waiting for Henelley.
The forward line is developing into a tidy unit with some great prospects. Andy Moran is currently playing out of his skin and is a real leader for the younger men in front of him. Dillons general play is very good but he seems to be currently lacking a bit of confidence when shooting. If any man can sort this out himself, its Dillon. As for McLoughlin. a right little tiger and a great man to take a point as well.
The O'Shea's in midfield were outstanding against Galway. I wouldnt like to be picking midfield the next day but one thing for sure I wouldnt be tempted at all to put either of the O'Sheas into the forward line. Far better I think having a midfielder coming of the bench if things are tight.
The back line is still a bit dodgy mainly the full back line. One or two men the last day would have been really punished against better competition. This may sort itself out but I think Cafferkey should be seriously considered as a corner back against Roscommon.
The Feenys are a great addition to the back line and add a real bit of steel to the defensive unit.
So all in all a work in progress but its great to see lads trying. As regards the Roscommon match, enough of this shadow boxing. Why wouldnt we bate them. Like every time we play Roscommon I like all Mayo supporters fully believe we are going to beat them and this time is no different. Lads get of the fence and start supporting your county and stop trying to build up the opposition because you are afraid of a bit of slagging if we lose.
As for the Mort. Im delighted to see him back training. I couldnt give two shits if he was running up and down the aisle at Sunday mass in Shrule as part of his training. One thing you will get from the Mort is effort. I can guarantee you he is already trying to figure out how he will get back into this team and will be looking at the problems with the frees. The boys in shrule better get used to looking at him practising frees for the next few weeks. Maybe they should go out and kick it back to him instead of standing idly by looking and begrudging a man thats trying to get back after a serious injury.
Quote from: ross matt on July 04, 2011, 08:03:29 PMAgreed he's an attention seeker alright Ryano but he would trouble us from frees if he is fit for the final. That and the possibility of McGarrity back midfield would free up Aidan O'Se for full forward. They then could rain down high ball on our vertically challenged full back line. One way or the other it would make Mayo a much improved version of the side that beat Galway.
Oh no doubt. He is a nacky little player, very hard mark and he would have done a hell of a lot better then some of his team mates against Galway with the free kicks. I remember him giving Seanie Mac a torrid time of it in The Hyde a few years back. Can't see him starting at all but if he makes the bench we could see him playing the last 15/20 minutes if things are not going well for them.
Mayo will be a very different beast to the one that fell over the line against London and eventually beat Galway out the gate. They are improving steadily with each game and I am having the same nightmares about McGarrity coming back into the middle and the Kerryman going to FF. In that case we would really need to be on top in the middle to stop high ball going in and doing damage.
Quote from: criostlinn on July 04, 2011, 09:09:27 PMAs for the Mort...
(http://r20.imgfast.net/users/2012/19/06/83/avatars/218-28.jpg)
The Mort!?! The M-O-R-T! Jesus wept as if there are not enough things to pull the piss out of him over already.... Has he got "The Mort" tattoo'd on himself?
Quote from: criostlinn on July 04, 2011, 09:09:27 PMThe boys in shrule better get used to looking at him practising frees for the next few weeks. Maybe they should go out and kick it back to him instead of standing idly by looking and begrudging a man thats trying to get back after a serious injury.
The boys in Shrule think he is a gobshite. Trevor is far more popular then his peroxide blond rat featured brother with his neighbours and fellow clubmen. And all "The Mort" was doing was running laps of the field and posing. No balls involved apart from his own two and I get the feeling the mass goers would have happily kicked those ones for him ;)
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 04, 2011, 08:14:07 PM
Conor Mortimer hasn't started a competitive game in the best part of a year it would be rather silly picking him for a Connacht final in 13 days. Alan Freeman seems to have made full forward his own why move him out?
Horses for courses.
Quote from: ross matt on July 04, 2011, 09:58:05 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 04, 2011, 08:14:07 PM
Conor Mortimer hasn't started a competitive game in the best part of a year it would be rather silly picking him for a Connacht final in 13 days. Alan Freeman seems to have made full forward his own why move him out?
Horses for courses.
If it were that simple we would just play Andy Moran against ye.
I don't understand the Roscommon sense of fear of putting AOS in full-forward. He plays much better in midfield imo. As far as fears go, I'm petrified that Shine, et all will get sufficient ball if Finneran and Mannion do the business around mid-field.
Disgraceful personal attack on Conor Mort Ryano, not quoting you as think they should be removed. Banter is all good and well but that sort of shit is uncalled for. Play the game not the man.
Doubt Mortimer is worried about lads with a fraction of his skill.if the same fellas were able to kick a point like him they would be out there with him. It's just old fashioned begrudgery.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 04, 2011, 10:10:46 PM
I don't understand the Roscommon sense of fear of putting AOS in full-forward. He plays much better in midfield imo. As far as fears go, I'm petrified that Shine, et all will get sufficient ball if Finneran and Mannion do the business around mid-field.
Agreed. If Ross win midfield Shine, Kilbride and Cregg will get the scores needed to edge past Mayo. My point was (if fit) McGarritty is better than the two O'Se's and the current Ross midfield. The younger brother played full forward before to great effect so with Roscommon having a small full back line its an obvious option to move him in there and pump the ball in. Mortimer is a far better free taker than the Mayo keeper so he too would be an addittion. Overall what I'm saying is Mayo could turn up a far different outfit in the Connacht final than they were against Galway thanks to the return from injury of a few key players. That being said Roscommon should have O'Gara available.
Quote from: ross matt on July 05, 2011, 01:03:15 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 04, 2011, 10:10:46 PM
I don't understand the Roscommon sense of fear of putting AOS in full-forward. He plays much better in midfield imo. As far as fears go, I'm petrified that Shine, et all will get sufficient ball if Finneran and Mannion do the business around mid-field.
Agreed. If Ross win midfield Shine, Kilbride and Cregg will get the scores needed to edge past Mayo. My point was (if fit) McGarritty is better than the two O'Se's and the current Ross midfield. The younger brother played full forward before to great effect so with Roscommon having a small full back line its an obvious option to move him in there and pump the ball in. Mortimer is a far better free taker than the Mayo keeper so he too would be an addittion. Overall what I'm saying is Mayo could turn up a far different outfit in the Connacht final than they were against Galway thanks to the return from injury of a few key players. That being said Roscommon should have O'Gara available.
Having seen Aidan O'Shea play in midfield,full forward at Minor,U21 & Senior level it's no doubt in my mind midfield is his best position. In McGarrity/A O'Shea Mayo will form a formidable partnership for the Connacht final & worth pointing out Finneran played in 09 & had to be subbed off on 40mins. Another two players i expect Horan to start (if fit) will be Howley,Gafferkey. on the subject of O'Gara he only played 30mins for ros gaels so the best we can hope for is a 20 minute cameo appearance & I'll be suprised if moonwalker is part of 26 man panel.
Quote from: ross4life on July 05, 2011, 01:40:54 AM
Quote from: ross matt on July 05, 2011, 01:03:15 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 04, 2011, 10:10:46 PM
I don't understand the Roscommon sense of fear of putting AOS in full-forward. He plays much better in midfield imo. As far as fears go, I'm petrified that Shine, et all will get sufficient ball if Finneran and Mannion do the business around mid-field.
Agreed. If Ross win midfield Shine, Kilbride and Cregg will get the scores needed to edge past Mayo. My point was (if fit) McGarritty is better than the two O'Se's and the current Ross midfield. The younger brother played full forward before to great effect so with Roscommon having a small full back line its an obvious option to move him in there and pump the ball in. Mortimer is a far better free taker than the Mayo keeper so he too would be an addittion. Overall what I'm saying is Mayo could turn up a far different outfit in the Connacht final than they were against Galway thanks to the return from injury of a few key players. That being said Roscommon should have O'Gara available.
Having seen Aidan O'Shea play in midfield,full forward at Minor,U21 & Senior level it's no doubt in my mind midfield is his best position. In McGarrity/A O'Shea Mayo will form a formidable partnership for the Connacht final & worth pointing out Finneran played in 09 & had to be subbed off on 40mins. Another two players i expect Horan to start (if fit) will be Howley,Gafferkey. on the subject of O'Gara he only played 30mins for ros gaels so the best we can hope for is a 20 minute cameo appearance & I'll be suprised if moonwalker is part of 26 man panel.
Is O'Gara still that far off Ross? Didnt realise that.
I thought o'se played full forward againt Galway a few years back and caused hell?
In fairness to Finneran he has consistenly improved over the last year or two so hopefully he'll mantain that form for the final.
Quote from: ross matt on July 05, 2011, 08:51:00 AM
Quote from: ross4life on July 05, 2011, 01:40:54 AM
Quote from: ross matt on July 05, 2011, 01:03:15 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 04, 2011, 10:10:46 PM
I don't understand the Roscommon sense of fear of putting AOS in full-forward. He plays much better in midfield imo. As far as fears go, I'm petrified that Shine, et all will get sufficient ball if Finneran and Mannion do the business around mid-field.
Agreed. If Ross win midfield Shine, Kilbride and Cregg will get the scores needed to edge past Mayo. My point was (if fit) McGarritty is better than the two O'Se's and the current Ross midfield. The younger brother played full forward before to great effect so with Roscommon having a small full back line its an obvious option to move him in there and pump the ball in. Mortimer is a far better free taker than the Mayo keeper so he too would be an addittion. Overall what I'm saying is Mayo could turn up a far different outfit in the Connacht final than they were against Galway thanks to the return from injury of a few key players. That being said Roscommon should have O'Gara available.
Having seen Aidan O'Shea play in midfield,full forward at Minor,U21 & Senior level it's no doubt in my mind midfield is his best position. In McGarrity/A O'Shea Mayo will form a formidable partnership for the Connacht final & worth pointing out Finneran played in 09 & had to be subbed off on 40mins. Another two players i expect Horan to start (if fit) will be Howley,Gafferkey. on the subject of O'Gara he only played 30mins for ros gaels so the best we can hope for is a 20 minute cameo appearance & I'll be suprised if moonwalker is part of 26 man panel.
Is O'Gara still that far off Ross? Didnt realise that.
I thought o'se played full forward againt Galway a few years back and caused hell?
In fairness to Finneran he has consistenly improved over the last year or two so hopefully he'll mantain that form for the final.
O'Shea played full forward in 09 - his first year out of minor. He had a very good year, caused a lot of trouble for Galway and Meath defences.
But since then, he struggled at FF whenever he was played there. He didn't have the pace from a standing start to make a burst away from his marker. The confidence seemed to drain from him - he couldn't hold on to any ball that came his way and he looked very frustrated. Since he was moved out to midfield he's had a bit of a rebirth.
He could still do a job in FF on a horses for courses basis, but it's definitely not the place for him long-term.
Edit to say he was in the full-forward
line in 09, I think he was usually one of the corners - Barry Moran was FF and Kilcoyne I think in the other corner.
Then after C Mort's goal-scoring antics, I think we had Kilkoyne, O'Shea and C Mort also known as The Killer, The Pillar and The Thriller :D :D
I think it was Muppet who came up with that classic.
Yeah I agree with spuds the attack on C Mort is a bit ott. Fair enough if you say you don't have time for him personally but speaking for other people and some of the other comments aren't on.
I would extremely doubt that he would be anywhere near starting on Connacht Final day but he'll have another county Championship game under the belt next wkend so he could be available for the panel. It would be handy to have his ability and confidence ready to kick a couple of crucial frees near the end.
As for the rest of the team I reckon there is only one or two other spots up for contention. In midfield we have 3 guys looking for 2 spots. If McG's not fully fit then don't start him, he can come on for one of the O'Shea's when they tire in the second half. If he is fully fit I think he should start - don't know which of the two lads should drop out though. The other spot which is in question for me would be corner forward. Cillian O'Connor didn't impose himself the last day and a case could be made for Varley to come in.
Apart from that I think we are playing the best lads we have, even if we are a bit shaky in defence I think they done alright the last day and deserve another shot.
i'm beginning to get a bad feeling about this game :( .
The Mwr bucks are getting more confident as the days pass, our inadequacies are beginning to become more obvious, their quality is being highlighted daily so I'm cancelling all appointments for 23rd as I expect to be heading off to Breffni/Portlaoise/Croker for a 4th round game.
If the Rhus dominate possession as they did against Galway I fear they will have their feet straightened unlike the last day and can see the hoors raining over points from all angles ( as they always seem to do against us -- 99/02/09 e.g).
A chastening may await .... but even if it does I think we will have the mental strength to arise a better team from it... but in 2012/13/14.
Same here on another web site mayo fans see this game as a distraction
Quote from: Rossfan on July 05, 2011, 11:06:58 AM
i'm beginning to get a bad feeling about this game :( .
The Mwr bucks are getting more confident as the days pass, our inadequacies are beginning to become more obvious, their quality is being highlighted daily so I'm cancelling all appointments for 23rd as I expect to be heading off to Breffni/Portlaoise/Croker for a 4th round game.
If the Rhus dominate possession as they did against Galway I fear they will have their feet straightened unlike the last day and can see the hoors raining over points from all angles ( as they always seem to do against us -- 99/02/09 e.g).
A chastening may await .... but even if it does I think we will have the mental strength to arise a better team from it... but in 2012/13/14.
Surely ye don't believe this will be another '09? The Rossies are much stronger now. 3 years extra experience for a team which was extremely callow that day, along with a good young manager and a Connacht title. We
may win, but I simply cannot see a repeat of '09.
I expect whoever wins midfield will win this as neither back line will handle an on-from set of forwards.
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I don't understand the Roscommon sense of fear of putting AOS in full-forward. He plays much better in midfield imo. As far as fears go, I'm petrified that Shine, et all will get sufficient ball if Finneran and Mannion do the business around mid-field.
Agreed. If Ross win midfield Shine, Kilbride and Cregg will get the scores needed to edge past Mayo. My point was (if fit) McGarritty is better than the two O'Se's and the current Ross midfield. The younger brother played full forward before to great effect so with Roscommon having a small full back line its an obvious option to move him in there and pump the ball in. Mortimer is a far better free taker than the Mayo keeper so he too would be an addittion. Overall what I'm saying is Mayo could turn up a far different outfit in the Connacht final than they were against Galway thanks to the return from injury of a few key players. That being said Roscommon should have O'Gara available.
Having seen Aidan O'Shea play in midfield,full forward at Minor,U21 & Senior level it's no doubt in my mind midfield is his best position. In McGarrity/A O'Shea Mayo will form a formidable partnership for the Connacht final & worth pointing out Finneran played in 09 & had to be subbed off on 40mins. Another two players i expect Horan to start (if fit) will be Howley,Gafferkey. on the subject of O'Gara he only played 30mins for ros gaels so the best we can hope for is a 20 minute cameo appearance & I'll be suprised if moonwalker is part of 26 man panel.
Is O'Gara still that far off Ross? Didnt realise that.
I thought o'se played full forward againt Galway a few years back and caused hell?
In fairness to Finneran he has consistenly improved over the last year or two so hopefully he'll mantain that form for the final.
O'Shea played full forward in 09 - his first year out of minor. He had a very good year, caused a lot of trouble for Galway and Meath defences.But since then, he struggled at FF whenever he was played there. He didn't have the pace from a standing start to make a burst away from his marker. The confidence seemed to drain from him - he couldn't hold on to any ball that came his way and he looked very frustrated. Since he was moved out to midfield he's had a bit of a rebirth.
He could still do a job in FF on a horses for courses basis, but it's definitely not the place for him long-term.
Edit to say he was in the full-forward line in 09, I think he was usually one of the corners - Barry Moran was FF and Kilcoyne I think in the other corner.
Then after C Mort's goal-scoring antics, I think we had Kilkoyne, O'Shea and C Mort also known as The Killer, The Pillar and The Thriller :D :D
I think it was Muppet who came up with that classic.
Yeah Tubberman that must be the game I was thinking of. He looked a serious prospect after the Galway match.
Quote from: spuds on July 05, 2011, 12:20:28 AM
Disgraceful personal attack on Conor Mort Ryano, not quoting you as think they should be removed. Banter is all good and well but that sort of shit is uncalled for. Play the game not the man.
Eh? I don't post here that often but I have seen a hell of a lot worse things put up about players then my comments. A hell of a lot worse. I'm at a bit of a loss why you would get your knickers in a twist over that. "The Mort" I'm sure has laughed off worse comments and was not lying awake last night fretting over me.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 04, 2011, 10:10:46 PM
I don't understand the Roscommon sense of fear of putting AOS in full-forward. He plays much better in midfield imo. As far as fears go, I'm petrified that Shine, et all will get sufficient ball if Finneran and Mannion do the business around mid-field.
Its the height issue ala Kerry and Mayo in the AI final (not a dig btw). Our FB are all under or barely 6' where as AOS is what 6'4" or 5"?? All Mayo would need to do is drop the ball in high and he would do serious damage I think. I think a fit McGarrity would make a bigger impact in the middle to be honest.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 05, 2011, 11:06:58 AM
i'm beginning to get a bad feeling about this game :( . The Mwr bucks are getting more confident as the days pass, our inadequacies are beginning to become more obvious, their quality is being highlighted daily so I'm cancelling all appointments for 23rd as I expect to be heading off to Breffni/Portlaoise/Croker for a 4th round game. If the Rhus dominate possession as they did against Galway I fear they will have their feet straightened unlike the last day and can see the hoors raining over points from all angles ( as they always seem to do against us -- 99/02/09 e.g). A chastening may await .... but even if it does I think we will have the mental strength to arise a better team from it... but in 2012/13/14.
I'm not
getting a bad feeling, I always have one when we face Mayo to be honest... It's just a small bit diluted this time by a hint of optimism based on current forms. Too many bad memories of getting pasted by them in both McHale and Hyde park over the past decade to be thinking of this being a walk in the park for us. A lot of issues for both teams, i think it will come down to which team can over come theirs best that will decide the winner.
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Is O'Gara still that far off Ross? Didnt realise that.
At the end of the day it's down to fitness levels compared to his other teams mates. last year we had a similar situation with Senan Kilbride but he didn't make the 26 man panel for the Connacht final, i would be hopefull O'Gara can make it.
In reply to the height issues in our back line Niall Carty (current full back) is 6ft 1 & he played in midfield for our minors & U21s.
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I thought o'se played full forward againt Galway a few years back and caused hell?
He did but from what i have seen he's a more natural midfielder, as example v us in the U21 game in March he got MOTM when he dominated midfield.
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In fairness to Finneran he has consistenly improved over the last year or two so hopefully he'll mantain that form for the final.
Agreed he's perhaps our most improved player but a huge test awaits in the final.
P.S one of the worst refs in Ireland will be in charge of this match..Michael Collins
Result of challenge game at the weekend Ros Comáin 0-12 An Dún 1-13
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Result of challenge game at the weekend Ros Comáin 0-12 An Dún 1-13
Are you sure that's correct? from what i hear only two points between the sides.
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[P.S one of the worst refs in Ireland will be in charge of this match..Michael Collins
What is it with Provincial Councils ( need I ask ::)) picking bad Refs for their finals >:(
Last year the Munster Final was farcical while the Leinster final saw one of the worst injustices ever on a football field.
There are only 4 Provincial Finals which are showpieces in their own right and deserve the best refs.
At least Munster learned from last year and got Coldrick in this year.
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Result of challenge game at the weekend Ros Comáin 0-12 An Dún 1-13
Are you sure that's correct? from what i hear only two points between the sides.
If you know some detail about this match, what secrets are you keeping from the Mayo posters? ;) :D
R4L isn't generally wrong. And running last year's runners-up to just 2 points isn't bad going at all.
But clare ran them to one point :'(
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Result of challenge game at the weekend Ros Comáin 0-12 An Dún 1-13
Are you sure that's correct? from what i hear only two points between the sides.
If you know some detail about this match, what secrets are you keeping from the Mayo posters? ;) :D
Like i said i heard we lost by 2pts if i had further details i would post them like i normally do. Where did you get the result from?
Anyways challenge games mean feck all, sure in 09 before ye hammered us you were well beaten by Louth.
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Quote from: spuds on July 05, 2011, 12:20:28 AM
Disgraceful personal attack on Conor Mort Ryano, not quoting you as think they should be removed. Banter is all good and well but that sort of shit is uncalled for. Play the game not the man.
Eh? I don't post here that often but I have seen a hell of a lot worse things put up about players then my comments. A hell of a lot worse. I'm at a bit of a loss why you would get your knickers in a twist over that. "The Mort" I'm sure has laughed off worse comments and was not lying awake last night fretting over me.
When you compared your comments to the lowest ones on this board you did well. "The Mort" is not everyones cuppa tae but is often kids favourite player and signs away autographs to beat the band. He is much in demand by media and gets the exposure he loves, good luck to him. That you take pop shots at his character from second hand pub gossip says it all, he is not one of the herd you so admire and love.......the herd of sheep !!
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Quote from: spuds on July 05, 2011, 12:20:28 AM
Disgraceful personal attack on Conor Mort Ryano, not quoting you as think they should be removed. Banter is all good and well but that sort of shit is uncalled for. Play the game not the man.
Eh? I don't post here that often but I have seen a hell of a lot worse things put up about players then my comments. A hell of a lot worse. I'm at a bit of a loss why you would get your knickers in a twist over that. "The Mort" I'm sure has laughed off worse comments and was not lying awake last night fretting over me.
When you compared your comments to the lowest ones on this board you did well. "The Mort" is not everyones cuppa tae but is often kids favourite player and signs away autographs to beat the band. He is much in demand by media and gets the exposure he loves, good luck to him. That you take pop shots at his character from second hand pub gossip says it all, he is not one of the herd you so admire and love.......the herd of sheep !!
I'm nearly sure it's a herd of cattle/cows & a flock of sheep.
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Quote from: spuds on July 05, 2011, 12:20:28 AM
Disgraceful personal attack on Conor Mort Ryano, not quoting you as think they should be removed. Banter is all good and well but that sort of shit is uncalled for. Play the game not the man.
Eh? I don't post here that often but I have seen a hell of a lot worse things put up about players then my comments. A hell of a lot worse. I'm at a bit of a loss why you would get your knickers in a twist over that. "The Mort" I'm sure has laughed off worse comments and was not lying awake last night fretting over me.
When you compared your comments to the lowest ones on this board you did well. "The Mort" is not everyones cuppa tae but is often kids favourite player and signs away autographs to beat the band. He is much in demand by media and gets the exposure he loves, good luck to him. That you take pop shots at his character from second hand pub gossip says it all, he is not one of the herd you so admire and love.......the herd of sheep !!
I'm nearly sure it's a herd of cattle/cows & a flock of sheep.
Well spotted.
Lol mayos even make a balls of there insults
QuoteLol mayos even make a balls of there insults
There do indid :o
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QuoteLol mayos even make a balls of there insults
There do indid :o
How their they!
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QuoteLol mayos even make a balls of there insults
There do indid :o
How their they!
How dare they.
Just fixed that one for you.
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QuoteLol mayos even make a balls of there insults
There do indid :o
How their they!
How dare they.
Just fixed that one for you.
How they're they. Refixed.
Chr!st there seems to be alot of arguing on this board about damn all....Back to the impending match. Whilst there was alot wrong with mayo against galway the one thing that struck me about this group was the workrate in that match. It started with Alan feeney robbing a ball under the stand and everyone else seemed to take the lead from there. Marker set down early. If this group is going to continually work as hard under JH then we should get the max out of the players we have. The starting point for any team should be a strong work ethic. and boy will we need one in the hyde.
Like most am expecting a really close game. I think Ronan McGarrity has a huge role to play at some stage, would like to see him starting if fit. Would fear that the rossies have 2\3 on form forwards wholl be difficult to hold, particularly with some question marks over a couple of our backline. With that said we'll need our freetaker(s) on form this time to keep the scoreboard ticking over. Im confident enough that we have the leaders in moran and dillon to sort the freetaking out. Twas very noticable the last day how much of a leader andy has become in this team, particularly in the first half when things weren't going right - he was the one cajoling, encouraging.
Anyway cant wait for the throw in and tis good to add to the mayo invasion here ;)
If it is fighting you're looking for, Newstalk's Off The Ball Roadshow is live in Ballaghaderreen this Monday evening. It could be a good time for us Mayos to liberate the town from the Rossie strain!
David Brady and Shane Curran are the special guests. Not withstanding Curran's madness, I know who I'd rather have in my corner if things get hairy!
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If it is fighting you're looking for, Newstalk's Off The Ball Roadshow is live in Ballaghaderreen this Monday evening. It could be a good time for us Mayos to liberate the town from the Rossie strain!
David Brady and Shane Curran are the special guests. Not withstanding Curran's madness, I know who I'd rather have in my corner if things get hairy!
Curran caused a stir the last time he was on newstalk. 2006 before the Mayo v Dublin semi final.. he was on the show with Charlie Redmond & Redmond was being interviewed by Ger Gilroy, Gilroy trying to pin Charles down on exactly what level of luminescence would be achieved by those brilliant boys in blue on Sunday. Charles reached deep into the cliché box, and started firing them out. They'll need to be up for this one Ger. Take nothing for granted. If they don't play for the full seventy minutes they'll lose. Make no mistake about it, this is a good Mayo team.
"That's funny," says Curran. "Charlie was telling me in the green room that Mayo would be doing well to score eight points on Sunday."
Quote from: mjg on July 05, 2011, 11:55:58 PM
Lol mayos even make a balls of there insults
Not a nice thing to say but for sure the hard core Mayoman/woman would
distance themselves from below the belt comments such as that. anyway
this time next week the big day will be upon us and depending on which
Mayo turn up Im looking foreward to a mighty tussle for the nestor cup.
no doubt Ros will be tough and if Mayo can play for 70mins like the 2nd half
against Galway in the semi then they could be near the Rossies. hope the game
is a good one for the representation of connaught point of view
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Quote from: Ryano on July 05, 2011, 05:21:57 PM
Quote from: spuds on July 05, 2011, 12:20:28 AM
Disgraceful personal attack on Conor Mort Ryano, not quoting you as think they should be removed. Banter is all good and well but that sort of shit is uncalled for. Play the game not the man.
Eh? I don't post here that often but I have seen a hell of a lot worse things put up about players then my comments. A hell of a lot worse. I'm at a bit of a loss why you would get your knickers in a twist over that. "The Mort" I'm sure has laughed off worse comments and was not lying awake last night fretting over me.
When you compared your comments to the lowest ones on this board you did well. "The Mort" is not everyones cuppa tae but is often kids favourite player and signs away autographs to beat the band. He is much in demand by media and gets the exposure he loves, good luck to him. That you take pop shots at his character from second hand pub gossip says it all, he is not one of the herd you so admire and love.......the herd of sheep !!
how ja get yar wan ta do tha
I see the game is being played at Dr Hyde park - how much of an advantage would that be to Roscommon do you think ?
The reason i ask is because I backed Roscommon for Connaught at 10/1 before the start of the championship on the basis that they had an easy enough path to the final.
Stuck £25 on it. Now they are there i'm almost tempted to completely hedge it and stick potential winnings on Mayo.
I'd be looking at the outright market (i.e. to lift the cup) if i do hedge it, as i'd wanna take the danger of a draw out of the equation !
So I guess the Rossies are all flat out making flags this week .... 'You may have taken our A&E, but you'll never take our Nestor Cup.'
Breaking ball ... Mayo devoured Galway on it in a manner I haven't seen since v Offaly in '97. A repeat dose of that will see Mayo win regardless of what the Rossies do.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on July 10, 2011, 12:22:00 PM
I see the game is being played at Dr Hyde park - how much of an advantage would that be to Roscommon do you think ?
The reason i ask is because I backed Roscommon for Connaught at 10/1 before the start of the championship on the basis that they had an easy enough path to the final.
Stuck £25 on it. Now they are there i'm almost tempted to completely hedge it and stick potential winnings on Mayo.
I'd be looking at the outright market (i.e. to lift the cup) if i do hedge it, as i'd wanna take the danger of a draw out of the equation !
Hi Atticus Finch, I for one am really afraid of facing Roscommon in Hyde Park. That's why, with the huge home support behind them they may play out of their skins and end up winning the game. Hopefully it will be a good game and only a point or two in it at the end...however the losers will be left with the 6 day turn around then. Hard to know really.
Quote from: blast05 on July 10, 2011, 01:21:52 PM
So I guess the Rossies are all flat out making flags this week .... 'You may have taken our A&E, but you'll never take our Nestor Cup.'
Breaking ball ... Mayo devoured Galway on it in a manner I haven't seen since v Offaly in '97. A repeat dose of that will see Mayo win regardless of what the Rossies do.Yep that performance sent shockwaves through roscommon....... may god help us
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on July 10, 2011, 12:22:00 PM
I see the game is being played at Dr Hyde park - how much of an advantage would that be to Roscommon do you think ?
I'm sure the rossies can confirm this? but i think Mayo have a good record in Hyde park.
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Quote from: Atticus_Finch on July 10, 2011, 12:22:00 PM
I see the game is being played at Dr Hyde park - how much of an advantage would that be to Roscommon do you think ?
I'm sure the rossies can confirm this? but i think Mayo have a good record in Hyde park.
2001 was the last time ros beat mayo in the hyde. But ros haven't really had a team capable of beating mayo since then. Different story this year.
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Quote from: Atticus_Finch on July 10, 2011, 12:22:00 PM
I see the game is being played at Dr Hyde park - how much of an advantage would that be to Roscommon do you think ?
I'm sure the rossies can confirm this? but i think Mayo have a good record in Hyde park.
2001 was the last time ros beat mayo in the hyde. But ros haven't really had a team capable of beating mayo since then. Different story this year.
mayogaablog.com/?page_id=387
2005 was more recent. I was at this one.
Only 2 years ago we lost by 20pts so to turn around a defeat like that is alot to expect so soon but the Rossies should draw inspiration from Wexford... they where blown away by Dublin in 08 & since then they have pushed them all the way.
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I see the game is being played at Dr Hyde park - how much of an advantage would that be to Roscommon do you think ?
I'm sure the rossies can confirm this? but i think Mayo have a good record in Hyde park.
2001 was the last time ros beat mayo in the hyde. But ros haven't really had a team capable of beating mayo since then. Different story this year.
mayogaablog.com/?page_id=387
2005 was more recent. I was at this one.
Yeah, but Mayo won that one handy enough in the end - I was talking about last time Ros beat Mayo in the Hyde.
I think that was the day Maughan started Austy, who was the fans favourite at the time. Huge cheer went up when he was named in the starting line-up. He did well against Kerry that year as well, but never lived up to the expectations the supporters had. Showed that league form doesn't really count for much come summer.
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I see the game is being played at Dr Hyde park - how much of an advantage would that be to Roscommon do you think ?
I'm sure the rossies can confirm this? but i think Mayo have a good record in Hyde park.
2001 was the last time ros beat mayo in the hyde. But ros haven't really had a team capable of beating mayo since then. Different story this year.
mayogaablog.com/?page_id=387
2005 was more recent. I was at this one.
Yeah, but Mayo won that one handy enough in the end - I was talking about last time Ros beat Mayo in the Hyde.
I think that was the day Maughan started Austy, who was the fans favourite at the time. Huge cheer went up when he was named in the starting line-up. He did well against Kerry that year as well, but never lived up to the expectations the supporters had. Showed that league form doesn't really count for much come summer
sorry, misread your post, I was up most of the night looking after the local degenerates ....and not a Rossie in sight ;)
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Quote from: Atticus_Finch on July 10, 2011, 12:22:00 PM
I see the game is being played at Dr Hyde park - how much of an advantage would that be to Roscommon do you think ?
I'm sure the rossies can confirm this? but i think Mayo have a good record in Hyde park.
2001 was the last time ros beat mayo in the hyde. But ros haven't really had a team capable of beating mayo since then. Different story this year.
mayogaablog.com/?page_id=387
2005 was more recent. I was at this one.
Yeah, but Mayo won that one handy enough in the end - I was talking about last time Ros beat Mayo in the Hyde.
I think that was the day Maughan started Austy, who was the fans favourite at the time. Huge cheer went up when he was named in the starting line-up. He did well against Kerry that year as well, but never lived up to the expectations the supporters had. Showed that league form doesn't really count for much come summer
sorry, misread your post, I was up most of the night looking after the local degenerates ....and not a Rossie in sight ;)
I thought Tyrone's Own was further west.
Connacht final loser won't have a 6 day turn around now v Wicklow,Armagh or Tyrone. likely to be played in Cavan.
Quote from: ross4life on July 10, 2011, 06:54:37 PM
Connacht final loser won't have a 6 day turn around now v Wicklow,Armagh or Tyrone. likely to be played in Cavan.
Yeah. Would say clones would suit all possible matchups best.
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Connacht final loser won't have a 6 day turn around now v Wicklow,Armagh or Tyrone. likely to be played in Cavan.
Yeah, should be an advantage over the last few years. Still will be an awful tough task to go and beat what is likely to be a battle-hardened Tyrone or Armagh.
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Connacht final loser won't have a 6 day turn around now v Wicklow,Armagh or Tyrone. likely to be played in Cavan.
Yeah. Would say clones would suit all possible matchups best.
If it is Wicklow it will hardly be played in Cavan or Clones.
If it is Mayo/Ros v Tyrone it will hardly be Cavan either. More likely Longford or Sligo.
Of course in the past these games have often become part of a Croker double header.
Dare i suggest that Armagh and Tyrone are now 2 teams trading on past glories.
Sure, neither will be easy. Never thought i'd see the day that Armagh would fail to win at home to Wicklow, and who is to say that Wicklow won't win the replay.
As for Tyrone, they are not the team they were. They only scored 0-9 against Donegal, and whilst they improved in the scoring stakes against Longford, they made heavy enough weather of winning it.
But that's all for another day. Hopefully Ros will be in a position by this time next week to let Mayo do the worrying about how good Tyrone/Armagh/Wicklow are.
Lucky break to get the extra weeks prep. Tough on the ulster losers to have to go out on the following sat against kildare\meath. Alot will depend on the nature of the defeat as to whether the loser can recover. Id be thinking more along the lines of longford if its one of the northern teams.
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Quote from: Doohicky on July 10, 2011, 06:59:18 PM
Quote from: ross4life on July 10, 2011, 06:54:37 PM
Connacht final loser won't have a 6 day turn around now v Wicklow,Armagh or Tyrone. likely to be played in Cavan.
Yeah. Would say clones would suit all possible matchups best.
If it is Wicklow it will hardly be played in Cavan or Clones.
If it is Mayo/Ros v Tyrone it will hardly be Cavan either. More likely Longford or Sligo.
Of course in the past these games have often become part of a Croker double header.
No disrespect to Wicklow they won't beat both Armagh,Tyrone & Sligo,Longford venues wouldn't be big enough to stage a round 4 tie. i agree with Ross4life Breffni park or maybe Clones.
The extra week will be a help for the Connacht loser & If Tyrone beat Armagh/Wicklow like i expect them to do so i feel Mayo would better suited to play them.
Any news on free taking responsibilities for the green and red?
Quote from: mannix on July 10, 2011, 08:29:52 PM
Any news on free taking responsibilities for the green and red?
Tell the rossies nathin'! ;-)
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If Tyrone beat Armagh/Wicklow like i expect them to do so i feel Mayo would better suited to play them.
Would agree but we need to set up a pre-arranged agreement with our neighbours before the final.
Give us the Connacht title & in return we'll give Hyde park as a neutral venue v Tyrone,Armagh or Wicklow. ;)
QuoteSligo,Longford venues wouldn't be big enough to stage a round 4 tie.
Just how many are you expecting? certainly if Mayo lose next week we won't be troubling the Traffic Corps with the volumes that will travel to a Round 4 game. Sadly Mayo just don't do the back door - an immature and stupid attitude given that only 4 teams don't have to go that route and we are one of only 8 teams in the country not to have lost in the championship so far.
Anyhow it is going to be an interesting team selection from a Mayo view point. 1 - 7 will stay the same. What will James' be thinking on the midfield front though - go conservative and leave Ronan on the bench given the performance of the last day? Possible bring him in for Cillian O'Connor and shuffle the forwards? That is the only change I can see being made.
Expect that this one will be nip and tuck. However the Rossie inside forward line could cause havoc if we do not stop them kicking ball in - how we manage doing this will probably be the winning and losing of the game.
Quote from: mannix on July 10, 2011, 08:29:52 PM
Any news on free taking responsibilities for the green and red?
I believe it has been outsourced to a call centre in Hyderabad.
Quote from: seafoid on July 10, 2011, 09:39:53 PM
Quote from: mannix on July 10, 2011, 08:29:52 PM
Any news on free taking responsibilities for the green and red?
I believe it has been outsourced to a call centre in Hyderabad.
Hope they can drive the ball the distance. If mayo do win who do they play next?
Quote from: mannix on July 10, 2011, 09:53:36 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 10, 2011, 09:39:53 PM
Quote from: mannix on July 10, 2011, 08:29:52 PM
Any news on free taking responsibilities for the green and red?
I believe it has been outsourced to a call centre in Hyderabad.
Hope they can drive the ball the distance. If mayo do win who do they play next?
Another draw next week for that. in reply to Barney, sure for a round 4 tie Tyrone on their own would fill Markievicz,Pearse parks.
Quote from: Barney on July 10, 2011, 09:14:01 PM
QuoteSligo,Longford venues wouldn't be big enough to stage a round 4 tie.
Just how many are you expecting? certainly if Mayo lose next week we won't be troubling the Traffic Corps with the volumes that will travel to a Round 4 game. Sadly Mayo just don't do the back door - an immature and stupid attitude given that only 4 teams don't have to go that route and we are one of only 8 teams in the country not to have lost in the championship so far.
Anyhow it is going to be an interesting team selection from a Mayo view point. 1 - 7 will stay the same. What will James' be thinking on the midfield front though - go conservative and leave Ronan on the bench given the performance of the last day? Possible bring him in for Cillian O'Connor and shuffle the forwards? That is the only change I can see being made.
Expect that this one will be nip and tuck. However the Rossie inside forward line could cause havoc if we do not stop them kicking ball in - how we manage doing this will probably be the winning and losing of the game.
I d agree mostly with you Barney. I ve been saying for years that our attitude when we lose in the Connacht championship has been cruel. Irresponsible even and a real let down to the loyal support. I d expect that to change and I m sure that the current management will have prepared for the long haul.
I wouldn t expect any change to the team unless there s injuries. One possibility is Caff being used to do a job. I m not too familiar with this Roscommon team but the key to curtailing Shine and Kilbride is extremely tight marking. They don t have killer pace but are great kickers of the the ball. So it s a no brainer. You re in their face and on their toe to stop them getting shots off - not planning your next foray up the field. Our two corner backs were not tight enough last day.
I think the twins will and should play midfield again. Ronan is hardly 100% and his impact coming in could make the difference. While we have players on the bench there is a sameness about them and the players they ll be replacing. A freshning up but little imact. Ronan the only impact really unless The Mort or Harte available. We don t have a lot of something different and that s a worry. I could get a chastening rebuke for this but I think we have the winning of midfield. I realise that Finneran is getting good mentions in reports, and he was always going to take time to develop but I dunno. I ve seen similar long men in Mayo sent back to their clubs after a couple FBD appearances, but we ll see next Sunday. Mannion is a top player but I m not convinced he is a top midfielder. If I was the Mayo manager I would be very disappointed with the fella matching up if Mannion was running the show.
I would go with the forwards as they were. I d persist with O Connor because he is already better than the other contenders and is going to be a lot better in the future. There could be a temptation to throw in Aidan in ff and see but I would expect that will be plan B and whether and when it is used depending on how plan A is progressing. If we do struggle in midfield and have to chase the game you could have Ronan in sooner than later and the younger twin sent in as target with one of the corner men sacrificed - even though they may be doing damn all wrong.
Of course we want to win. But it will be a pyrrhic victory if the winner draws Cork in the qf. While the loser will have a chance against Wicklow/Tyrone/Armagh.
I recall one our stars saying that mayo were no a qualifier type team. What kind of thinking was that? He would be some man to be counting on to bust his gut to take or give a pass when the game was being decided.
sorry, misread your post, I was up most of the night looking after the local degenerates ....and not a Rossie in sight ;)
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I thought Tyrone's Own was further west.
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No sign of him either, the local degenerates wouldn't be a patch on T.O ;)
Apologies for butting in on the pre-match chat. Any Mayos and Rossies in Dublin might be interested in an event Club Mayo (www.clubmayo.ie (http://www.clubmayo.ie)) are running with our Roscommon friends on Wednesday night.
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Quote from: moysider on July 10, 2011, 11:26:38 PM
Quote from: Barney on July 10, 2011, 09:14:01 PM
QuoteSligo,Longford venues wouldn't be big enough to stage a round 4 tie.
Just how many are you expecting? certainly if Mayo lose next week we won't be troubling the Traffic Corps with the volumes that will travel to a Round 4 game. Sadly Mayo just don't do the back door - an immature and stupid attitude given that only 4 teams don't have to go that route and we are one of only 8 teams in the country not to have lost in the championship so far.
Anyhow it is going to be an interesting team selection from a Mayo view point. 1 - 7 will stay the same. What will James' be thinking on the midfield front though - go conservative and leave Ronan on the bench given the performance of the last day? Possible bring him in for Cillian O'Connor and shuffle the forwards? That is the only change I can see being made.
Expect that this one will be nip and tuck. However the Rossie inside forward line could cause havoc if we do not stop them kicking ball in - how we manage doing this will probably be the winning and losing of the game.
I d agree mostly with you Barney. I ve been saying for years that our attitude when we lose in the Connacht championship has been cruel. Irresponsible even and a real let down to the loyal support. I d expect that to change and I m sure that the current management will have prepared for the long haul.
I wouldn t expect any change to the team unless there s injuries. One possibility is Caff being used to do a job. I m not too familiar with this Roscommon team but the key to curtailing Shine and Kilbride is extremely tight marking. They don t have killer pace but are great kickers of the the ball. So it s a no brainer. You re in their face and on their toe to stop them getting shots off - not planning your next foray up the field. Our two corner backs were not tight enough last day.
I think the twins will and should play midfield again. Ronan is hardly 100% and his impact coming in could make the difference. While we have players on the bench there is a sameness about them and the players they ll be replacing. A freshning up but little imact. Ronan the only impact really unless The Mort or Harte available. We don t have a lot of something different and that s a worry. I could get a chastening rebuke for this but I think we have the winning of midfield. I realise that Finneran is getting good mentions in reports, and he was always going to take time to develop but I dunno. I ve seen similar long men in Mayo sent back to their clubs after a couple FBD appearances, but we ll see next Sunday. Mannion is a top player but I m not convinced he is a top midfielder. If I was the Mayo manager I would be very disappointed with the fella matching up if Mannion was running the show.
I would go with the forwards as they were. I d persist with O Connor because he is already better than the other contenders and is going to be a lot better in the future. There could be a temptation to throw in Aidan in ff and see but I would expect that will be plan B and whether and when it is used depending on how plan A is progressing. If we do struggle in midfield and have to chase the game you could have Ronan in sooner than later and the younger twin sent in as target with one of the corner men sacrificed - even though they may be doing damn all wrong.
Of course we want to win. But it will be a pyrrhic victory if the winner draws Cork in the qf. While the loser will have a chance against Wicklow/Tyrone/Armagh.
Spot on in every regard Moysider.
Quote from: moysider on July 10, 2011, 11:26:38 PM
I d agree mostly with you Barney. I ve been saying for years that our attitude when we lose in the Connacht championship has been cruel. Irresponsible even and a real let down to the loyal support. I d expect that to change and I m sure that the current management will have prepared for the long haul.
I wouldn t expect any change to the team unless there s injuries. One possibility is Caff being used to do a job. I m not too familiar with this Roscommon team but the key to curtailing Shine and Kilbride is extremely tight marking. They don t have killer pace but are great kickers of the the ball. So it s a no brainer. You re in their face and on their toe to stop them getting shots off - not planning your next foray up the field. Our two corner backs were not tight enough last day.
I think the twins will and should play midfield again. Ronan is hardly 100% and his impact coming in could make the difference. While we have players on the bench there is a sameness about them and the players they ll be replacing. A freshning up but little imact. Ronan the only impact really unless The Mort or Harte available. We don t have a lot of something different and that s a worry. I could get a chastening rebuke for this but I think we have the winning of midfield. I realise that Finneran is getting good mentions in reports, and he was always going to take time to develop but I dunno. I ve seen similar long men in Mayo sent back to their clubs after a couple FBD appearances, but we ll see next Sunday. Mannion is a top player but I m not convinced he is a top midfielder. If I was the Mayo manager I would be very disappointed with the fella matching up if Mannion was running the show.
I would go with the forwards as they were. I d persist with O Connor because he is already better than the other contenders and is going to be a lot better in the future. There could be a temptation to throw in Aidan in ff and see but I would expect that will be plan B and whether and when it is used depending on how plan A is progressing. If we do struggle in midfield and have to chase the game you could have Ronan in sooner than later and the younger twin sent in as target with one of the corner men sacrificed - even though they may be doing damn all wrong.
Of course we want to win. But it will be a pyrrhic victory if the winner draws Cork in the qf. While the loser will have a chance against Wicklow/Tyrone/Armagh.
Relieved to see you are back in action, moysider. I missed your input in recent times.
As usual, I think your analysis is spot on here.
I think the memory of our performance during the JOM era is best consigned to history. In the championship or the qualifiers there was precious little to enthuse about. Sweet damn all as a matter of fact.
I don't think Johnno was the sole culprit here but he was the gaffer and players took their cues from him. It struck me many times that all concerned were just going through the motions and were waiting for the full time whistle so they could get the hell out of the grounds.
That's why I was delighted by the Mayo display against Galway. Okay, it was pretty but it was effective. It's been years since I saw an entire team prepared to biff, bang and bullock their way through an entire game. I saw no evidence of players being unwilling to show for a pass or, when in possession letting it off to the nearest green and red jersey, regardless of the consequences.
James seems to have won the confidence of his players and they responded with a gutsy display. I think we have turned this particular corner at last.
Right now, I don't fear Roscommon but I do respect them. I don't see them giving up the fight at any stage but I can't see Mayo doing it either. Game on!
The bloody ticket prices are disgraceful but I reckon it will be money well spent.
Apart from the players' appetite for the game, I wouldn't read too much into the result in McHale Park. Conditions were lousy all through and I expect the ground will be firmer and the pace of the game much faster in the final.
I also though the corner backs were loose last day. 'Twas lucky for us that Pee Joyce didn't have a colleague or two that were capable of linking up with him and that he ran out of steam in the second half. I went along to Navan on Saturday just to see him in action, probably for the last time in a Galway jersey.
Thank God there is no Peerless Pee amongst the Roscommon forwards but whoever shows up will need tight marking. Our entire full back line could experience problems on Sunday. Keith Higgins will need to watch his step and also his fists as the ref may be keeping a close eye on him.
Both of the O'Sheas had great games against Galway but on a hotter day and on a firmer pitch, I doubt if either could last the pace for the entire match. The going suited both in McHale Park but this may not be the case in the Hyde. I expect both will man centrefield the next day but I imagine Ronan will be brought in again.
On of the most positive aspects of James Horan's leadership is that he is not slow to make changes when he sees problems arising. Then, I suppose, the same can be said of Fergie. Sideline tactics may well have a decisive bearing on the outcome.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 11, 2011, 01:38:38 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 10, 2011, 11:26:38 PM
I d agree mostly with you Barney. I ve been saying for years that our attitude when we lose in the Connacht championship has been cruel. Irresponsible even and a real let down to the loyal support. I d expect that to change and I m sure that the current management will have prepared for the long haul.
I wouldn t expect any change to the team unless there s injuries. One possibility is Caff being used to do a job. I m not too familiar with this Roscommon team but the key to curtailing Shine and Kilbride is extremely tight marking. They don t have killer pace but are great kickers of the the ball. So it s a no brainer. You re in their face and on their toe to stop them getting shots off - not planning your next foray up the field. Our two corner backs were not tight enough last day.
I think the twins will and should play midfield again. Ronan is hardly 100% and his impact coming in could make the difference. While we have players on the bench there is a sameness about them and the players they ll be replacing. A freshning up but little imact. Ronan the only impact really unless The Mort or Harte available. We don t have a lot of something different and that s a worry. I could get a chastening rebuke for this but I think we have the winning of midfield. I realise that Finneran is getting good mentions in reports, and he was always going to take time to develop but I dunno. I ve seen similar long men in Mayo sent back to their clubs after a couple FBD appearances, but we ll see next Sunday. Mannion is a top player but I m not convinced he is a top midfielder. If I was the Mayo manager I would be very disappointed with the fella matching up if Mannion was running the show.
I would go with the forwards as they were. I d persist with O Connor because he is already better than the other contenders and is going to be a lot better in the future. There could be a temptation to throw in Aidan in ff and see but I would expect that will be plan B and whether and when it is used depending on how plan A is progressing. If we do struggle in midfield and have to chase the game you could have Ronan in sooner than later and the younger twin sent in as target with one of the corner men sacrificed - even though they may be doing damn all wrong.
Of course we want to win. But it will be a pyrrhic victory if the winner draws Cork in the qf. While the loser will have a chance against Wicklow/Tyrone/Armagh.
Relieved to see you are back in action, moysider. I missed your input in recent times.
As usual, I think your analysis is spot on here.
I think the memory of our performance during the JOM era is best consigned to history. In the championship or the qualifiers there was precious little to enthuse about. Sweet damn all as a matter of fact.
I don't think Johnno was the sole culprit here but he was the gaffer and players took their cues from him. It struck me many times that all concerned were just going through the motions and were waiting for the full time whistle so they could get the hell out of the grounds.
That's why I was delighted by the Mayo display against Galway. Okay, it was pretty but it was effective. It's been years since I saw an entire team prepared to biff, bang and bullock their way through an entire game. I saw no evidence of players being unwilling to show for a pass or, when in possession letting it off to the nearest green and red jersey, regardless of the consequences.
James seems to have won the confidence of his players and they responded with a gutsy display. I think we have turned this particular corner at last.
Right now, I don't fear Roscommon but I do respect them. I don't see them giving up the fight at any stage but I can't see Mayo doing it either. Game on!
The bloody ticket prices are disgraceful but I reckon it will be money well spent.
Apart from the players' appetite for the game, I wouldn't read too much into the result in McHale Park. Conditions were lousy all through and I expect the ground will be firmer and the pace of the game much faster in the final.
I also though the corner backs were loose last day. 'Twas lucky for us that Pee Joyce didn't have a colleague or two that were capable of linking up with him and that he ran out of steam in the second half. I went along to Navan on Saturday just to see him in action, probably for the last time in a Galway jersey.
Thank God there is no Peerless Pee amongst the Roscommon forwards but whoever shows up will need tight marking. Our entire full back line could experience problems on Sunday. Keith Higgins will need to watch his step and also his fists as the ref may be keeping a close eye on him.
Both of the O'Sheas had great games against Galway but on a hotter day and on a firmer pitch, I doubt if either could last the pace for the entire match. The going suited both in McHale Park but this may not be the case in the Hyde. I expect both will man centrefield the next day but I imagine Ronan will be brought in again.
On of the most positive aspects of James Horan's leadership is that he is not slow to make changes when he sees problems arising. Then, I suppose, the same can be said of Fergie. Sideline tactics may well have a decisive bearing on the outcome.
Lar na,id like to put the spectre of joms era not behind me(i tried that and their he turned up at ruislip as part of the train,jesus wept)but launch him and it to the dark recesses of outer space.i agree with ya on joycee,(can somebody knock him over da head ,give him amnesia,wake him up and tell him it was all a mistake and that he was actualy born n bred in foxford and give him a jersey} had meehan and armstong been fit they would have destroyed that mayo team,theres no backbone in that team,sligo last year and jesus what can only be called the miracle of london,andy will run his heart out for the county always has and always will but hes no chief,i dont agrree with horans appointment either but he,ll grow in confidence if the team can solidify,not wantin to divide the county buts its the northmayomen who handle the dog day afternoons,moysider,lar na do this for your county,cut a path through the windygap cross the deel river, knock,call him out and put a crown on his head and tell him hes just been annointed the first king of the hy fiachrach muaidh in a thousand years go back into the recesses of the county find o mahoney and most of that county board youll find them around tourmakeaddy and partry and such well famed powerhouses of football sucess, drag to shannonn let them use the bridge or not (up ta yee}go back crossmolina and hand the king his jersey apologise,tell em theres irish /foreigners knocking on our borders and say mac d go get em.seriously though i meet men of the 33 counties daily and they just laugh at the situ,they think my heather countyas full of headers,would argentina av inflicted this on maradonna and thus themselves,would joyce be left outta any team in ireland at the behest of a failed blueshirt who used the county job {anassisine job he did} for more bull in da dail as a springboard ,it was a tyrone man windin me up about dis yesterday till i reminded him of steve o neil pot kettle etc but at least he could retort the mistake was rectified,ask any defender in da country do they fear oconnor moran,doherty,tell them mc is back and hes togging out just now theres da difference between a grin and a whimper.sorry about this rant but i seen my goalie take a 45 at ruislip,and men unable to put a ball dead or alive over the bar from 20yard in mchale park.sermon over sorry
balderdashbal·der·dash [bawl-der-dash]
nounDefinitions (3)
1. senseless, stupid, or exaggerated talk or writing; nonsense.
2. Obsolete . a muddled mixture of liquors.
3.
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Lar na,id like to put the spectre of joms era not behind me(i tried that and their he turned up at ruislip as part of the train,jesus wept)but launch him and it to the dark recesses of outer space.i agree with ya on joycee,(can somebody knock him over da head ,give him amnesia,wake him up and tell him it was all a mistake and that he was actualy born n bred in foxford and give him a jersey} had meehan and armstong been fit they would have destroyed that mayo team,theres no backbone in that team,sligo last year and jesus what can only be called the miracle of london,andy will run his heart out for the county always has and always will but hes no chief,i dont agrree with horans appointment either but he,ll grow in confidence if the team can solidify,not wantin to divide the county buts its the northmayomen who handle the dog day afternoons,moysider,lar na do this for your county,cut a path through the windygap cross the deel river, knock,call him out and put a crown on his head and tell him hes just been annointed the first king of the hy fiachrach muaidh in a thousand years go back into the recesses of the county find o mahoney and most of that county board youll find them around tourmakeaddy and partry and such well famed powerhouses of football sucess, drag to shannonn let them use the bridge or not (up ta yee}go back crossmolina and hand the king his jersey apologise,tell em theres irish /foreigners knocking on our borders and say mac d go get em.seriously though i meet men of the 33 counties daily and they just laugh at the situ,they think my heather countyas full of headers,would argentina av inflicted this on maradonna and thus themselves,would joyce be left outta any team in ireland at the behest of a failed blueshirt who used the county job {anassisine job he did} for more bull in da dail as a springboard ,it was a tyrone man windin me up about dis yesterday till i reminded him of steve o neil pot kettle etc but at least he could retort the mistake was rectified,ask any defender in da country do they fear oconnor moran,doherty,tell them mc is back and hes togging out just now theres da difference between a grin and a whimper.sorry about this rant but i seen my goalie take a 45 at ruislip,and men unable to put a ball dead or alive over the bar from 20yard in mchale park.sermon over sorry
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Quote from: AbbeySider on July 11, 2011, 04:28:47 PM
balderdash
bal·der·dash [bawl-der-dash]
noun
Definitions (3)
1. senseless, stupid, or exaggerated talk or writing; nonsense.
2. Obsolete . a muddled mixture of liquors.
3. Quote
Lar na,id like to put the spectre of joms era not behind me(i tried that and their he turned up at ruislip as part of the train,jesus wept)but launch him and it to the dark recesses of outer space.i agree with ya on joycee,(can somebody knock him over da head ,give him amnesia,wake him up and tell him it was all a mistake and that he was actualy born n bred in foxford and give him a jersey} had meehan and armstong been fit they would have destroyed that mayo team,theres no backbone in that team,sligo last year and jesus what can only be called the miracle of london,andy will run his heart out for the county always has and always will but hes no chief,i dont agrree with horans appointment either but he,ll grow in confidence if the team can solidify,not wantin to divide the county buts its the northmayomen who handle the dog day afternoons,moysider,lar na do this for your county,cut a path through the windygap cross the deel river, knock,call him out and put a crown on his head and tell him hes just been annointed the first king of the hy fiachrach muaidh in a thousand years go back into the recesses of the county find o mahoney and most of that county board youll find them around tourmakeaddy and partry and such well famed powerhouses of football sucess, drag to shannonn let them use the bridge or not (up ta yee}go back crossmolina and hand the king his jersey apologise,tell em theres irish /foreigners knocking on our borders and say mac d go get em.seriously though i meet men of the 33 counties daily and they just laugh at the situ,they think my heather countyas full of headers,would argentina av inflicted this on maradonna and thus themselves,would joyce be left outta any team in ireland at the behest of a failed blueshirt who used the county job {anassisine job he did} for more bull in da dail as a springboard ,it was a tyrone man windin me up about dis yesterday till i reminded him of steve o neil pot kettle etc but at least he could retort the mistake was rectified,ask any defender in da country do they fear oconnor moran,doherty,tell them mc is back and hes togging out just now theres da difference between a grin and a whimper.sorry about this rant but i seen my goalie take a 45 at ruislip,and men unable to put a ball dead or alive over the bar from 20yard in mchale park.sermon over sorry
why so abbeysider which part of it or all of it but why so ??? ???
Quote from: cuconnacht on July 11, 2011, 04:36:48 PM
why so abbeysider which part of it or all of it but why so ??? ???
Its like something a three year old would write.
Impossible to read, worse than anything I have ever seen posted.
4 fullstops in 428 words, half of which are not spelt properly.
There is bad grammer, and I am often guilty of the same but I honestly have no clue what you are on about. Is it a rambling attempt at humour?
Hence my suggestion that your last comment is in the dictionary under "balderdash". No offence mind ;)
i thought i was missing the point too, keep it simple next time. ;)
Quote from: cuconnacht on July 11, 2011, 06:34:45 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on July 11, 2011, 04:45:41 PM
Quote from: cuconnacht on July 11, 2011, 04:36:48 PM
why so abbeysider which part of it or all of it but why so ??? ???
Its like something a three year old would write.
Impossible to read, worse than anything I have ever seen posted.
4 fullstops in 428 words, half of which are not spelt properly.
There is bad grammer, and I am often guilty of the same but I honestly have no clue what you are on about. Is it a rambling attempt at humour?
Hence my suggestion that your last comment is in the dictionary under "balderdash". No offence mind ;)
None taken.It was an attempt at humour,the youngfella has just shown me how to enlarge the text.I could barely read what i was writing.Slowly but surely being dragged into modern era. ;)
Fair play! Genuinely couldn't make head nor tail :D
Re Off The Ball on Newstalk.
That's the second time I heard McHale mention on radio himself and Horans chance in front of goal in '96 hitting the post. He can't seem to let that one go. It's amazing what one dwells on. I never really recalled either chance being the winning and losing of it ???
( someone had to mention '96 ;) )
Mayowestros lads dominating this thread I see :D
Ye are obviously very confident so. ;)
Quote from: Rossfan on July 11, 2011, 08:50:45 PM
Mayowestros lads dominating this thread I see :D
Ye are obviously very confident so. ;)
Nah we'll be back to the post mortem soon enough. We have to enjoy this.
There's something oddly reassuring and calming reading the neuroses in this thread. It's like the changing of the seasons, or night following day.
After Saturday in the Gaelic Grounds it's like 'rescue remedy' for my GAA soul.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 11, 2011, 09:05:19 PM
There's something oddly reassuring and calming reading the neuroses in this thread. It's like the changing of the seasons, or night following day.
Reassuring and calming? Maybe... but aren't we also ignoring the big white elephants in the room?
There is another battle taking place off the pitch between Kenny and the Rossies and tensions are mounting. I'd wager the headlines may not all be about the football aspect of Sunday
Quote from: cuconnacht on July 11, 2011, 04:01:19 PM
Lar na,id like to put the spectre of joms era not behind me(i tried that and their he turned up at ruislip as part of the train,jesus wept)but launch him and it to the dark recesses of outer space.i agree with ya on joycee,(can somebody knock him over da head ,give him amnesia,wake him up and tell him it was all a mistake and that he was actualy born n bred in foxford and give him a jersey} had meehan and armstong been fit they would have destroyed that mayo team,theres no backbone in that team,sligo last year and jesus what can only be called the miracle of london,andy will run his heart out for the county always has and always will but hes no chief,i dont agrree with horans appointment either but he,ll grow in confidence if the team can solidify,not wantin to divide the county buts its the northmayomen who handle the dog day afternoons,moysider,lar na do this for your county,cut a path through the windygap cross the deel river, knock,call him out and put a crown on his head and tell him hes just been annointed the first king of the hy fiachrach muaidh in a thousand years go back into the recesses of the county find o mahoney and most of that county board youll find them around tourmakeaddy and partry and such well famed powerhouses of football sucess, drag to shannonn let them use the bridge or not (up ta yee}go back crossmolina and hand the king his jersey apologise,tell em theres irish /foreigners knocking on our borders and say mac d go get em.seriously though i meet men of the 33 counties daily and they just laugh at the situ,they think my heather countyas full of headers,would argentina av inflicted this on maradonna and thus themselves,would joyce be left outta any team in ireland at the behest of a failed blueshirt who used the county job {anassisine job he did} for more bull in da dail as a springboard ,it was a tyrone man windin me up about dis yesterday till i reminded him of steve o neil pot kettle etc but at least he could retort the mistake was rectified,ask any defender in da country do they fear oconnor moran,doherty,tell them mc is back and hes togging out just now theres da difference between a grin and a whimper.sorry about this rant but i seen my goalie take a 45 at ruislip,and men unable to put a ball dead or alive over the bar from 20yard in mchale park.sermon over sorry
A Íosa Críost na bhFlaitheas but that was some blasht! ;D
I'd only need to take one look at ya, even with me eyes shut, to see that you're a genuine Mayo football supporter.
I can tell you straight off that I don't disagree with a single word you wrote.
(Come to think of it, I can't agree with a single one either since I haven't a clue what you're on about.)
I kinda got stuck in the Windy Gap and I'll need someone with an oul' Massey Ferguson to get me back on track again.)
Anyway, I agree with your style of delivery; keep them cocky sheepophiles on their hind legs all the way. Bet they haven't a clue of what we're on about. They'll not pull the wool over our eyes!
Leave the hoors guessing. ;)
Quote from: AbbeySider on July 11, 2011, 10:46:10 PM
There is another battle taking place off the pitch between Kenny and the Rossies and tensions are mounting.
;)
Picture it: A short scene from the Connacht Final 2011 in The Hyde. Late in the game, Ros ahead by one.
Inda 'n Frankie sitting in the best seats in the stand surrounded by battalions of baying Rossies.
Inda: They're not happy bunnies Frankie are they?
Frankie: Bunnies Inda?? *Scans the vicinity again* I still can't see poor aul Cosmo and Baoithe ... are ya sure ya saw them?
Inda: Ho Ho Ho *After a few seconds though Emphatically shakes his head*
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Only having ya on Frankie. Though I heard they steered well clear o' the convent mass in Knock this morming ... can't be too careful like.
Frankie: *Glumly* Tell me about it Inda. I couldn't even chance thou'll confessions in Knock meself yesterday with the blasted Boyle ICA on their annual safari there.
Inda: *Excitedly* Some stout defending by The Rossies there Frankie!
Frankie: *Swallows hard, then shouts loudly* The Mort has it Inda, The Mort has it ... an he's shapin to shoot ... *worriedly sucks in his breath*
The Mort shoots.
Inda: *Disgustedly* Ah sh*te Mort, you've skied the ball wide and out into the graveyard, ya useless so and so.
Frankie: *Gleefully, Forgetting himself for a minute* Yes!!! Come on The Ros!!! That wan fairly screwed off th'aul boot Inda!
Inda: *Sourly* Less of your lip Frankie boy, that mad lookin space cadet with the smig is lookin over this way again ...
Frankie: *Beside himself * Harvey ... Harvey ... where are ya Harvey ...
Battalions of baying Rossies continue to roar on their team as Frankie rocks gently to and fro in his seat.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 11, 2011, 11:16:04 PM
Quote from: cuconnacht on July 11, 2011, 04:01:19 PM
Lar na,id like to put the spectre of joms era not behind me(i tried that and their he turned up at ruislip as part of the train,jesus wept)but launch him and it to the dark recesses of outer space.i agree with ya on joycee,(can somebody knock him over da head ,give him amnesia,wake him up and tell him it was all a mistake and that he was actualy born n bred in foxford and give him a jersey} had meehan and armstong been fit they would have destroyed that mayo team,theres no backbone in that team,sligo last year and jesus what can only be called the miracle of london,andy will run his heart out for the county always has and always will but hes no chief,i dont agrree with horans appointment either but he,ll grow in confidence if the team can solidify,not wantin to divide the county buts its the northmayomen who handle the dog day afternoons,moysider,lar na do this for your county,cut a path through the windygap cross the deel river, knock,call him out and put a crown on his head and tell him hes just been annointed the first king of the hy fiachrach muaidh in a thousand years go back into the recesses of the county find o mahoney and most of that county board youll find them around tourmakeaddy and partry and such well famed powerhouses of football sucess, drag to shannonn let them use the bridge or not (up ta yee}go back crossmolina and hand the king his jersey apologise,tell em theres irish /foreigners knocking on our borders and say mac d go get em.seriously though i meet men of the 33 counties daily and they just laugh at the situ,they think my heather countyas full of headers,would argentina av inflicted this on maradonna and thus themselves,would joyce be left outta any team in ireland at the behest of a failed blueshirt who used the county job {anassisine job he did} for more bull in da dail as a springboard ,it was a tyrone man windin me up about dis yesterday till i reminded him of steve o neil pot kettle etc but at least he could retort the mistake was rectified,ask any defender in da country do they fear oconnor moran,doherty,tell them mc is back and hes togging out just now theres da difference between a grin and a whimper.sorry about this rant but i seen my goalie take a 45 at ruislip,and men unable to put a ball dead or alive over the bar from 20yard in mchale park.sermon over sorry
A Íosa Críost na bhFlaitheas but that was some blasht! ;D
I'd only need to take one look at ya, even with me eyes shut, to see that you're a genuine Mayo football supporter.
I can tell you straight off that I don't disagree with a single word you wrote.
(Come to think of it, I can't agree with a single one either since I haven't a clue what you're on about.)
I kinda got stuck in the Windy Gap and I'll need someone with an oul' Massey Ferguson to get me back on track again.)
Anyway, I agree with your style of delivery; keep them cocky sheepophiles on their hind legs all the way. Bet they haven't a clue of what we're on about. They'll not pull the wool over our eyes!
Leave the hoors guessing. ;)
I understood every word and I know you did too. If you think that s bad Lar imagine what shite the correctors of the JC and LC are facing into right now as they try to decipher the texting Xbox generation hyriglifics. Cuconnacht is Milton in comparison to the average illiterate nowadays. And I m not talking about the grey horse that would have leapt over the stand in Dr Hyde Park.
Not that I m suggesting that you re illiterate Cuconnacht - you re just struggling with a new technology, as I still am myself. I reckon your heart is in the right place. Not sure I agree with you about the lack of backbone in the team. It may develop into a team with lots of backbone. We ll see. But the team v Galway was not the team that played London and they certainly cannot be held to account for what happened 07/08/09/10 and before. Horan and his team can only win their own battles. They can not undo the mistakes of the past. Those stains are there to stay - like the blood of martyrs that refuses to be scrubbed away.
Woah! :o
Welcome aboard Sir.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 11, 2011, 08:50:45 PM
Mayowestros lads dominating this thread I see :D
Ye are obviously very confident so. ;)
The which? We re dominating the thread because there are more of us I would speculate?. I dunno how you make the leap to your conclusion ?
Question. Why do you need the opposition favourites and their fans very confident? What is happening there?
I couldn t care less if we re favourites or not and win or lose on Sunday we ll move on and I ll wish any Ros fan I meet after, all the best, win or lose. I certainly wont dwell on his elation or misery, whatever the case may be. Your not a Na,Na,Na,Na,Na man are you Rossfan? I wouldn t think so.
A Connacht final is still one of the joys of my life and I ve been there since the seventies when the grass on the terraces were cut the day before with a scythe and empty icecream tubs and shattered dreams littered the slopes after. Back then when you lost you were miserable but nobody took a delight in rubbing it in and certainly not trying to set you up for it in advance.
Quote from: moysider on July 12, 2011, 12:46:36 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 11, 2011, 08:50:45 PM
Mayowestros lads dominating this thread I see :D
Ye are obviously very confident so. ;)
The which? We re dominating the thread because there are more of us I would speculate?. I dunno how you make the leap to your conclusion ?
Question. Why do you need the opposition favourites and their fans very confident? What is happening there?
I couldn t care less if we re favourites or not and win or lose on Sunday we ll move on and I ll wish any Ros fan I meet after, all the best, win or lose. I certainly wont dwell on his elation or misery, whatever the case may be. Your not a Na,Na,Na,Na,Na man are you Rossfan? I wouldn t think so.
A Connacht final is still one of the joys of my life and I ve been there since the seventies when the grass on the terraces were cut the day before with a scythe and empty icecream tubs and shattered dreams littered the slopes after. Back then when you lost you were miserable but nobody took a delight in rubbing it in and certainly not trying to set you up for it in advance.
Ah the memories Moysider. Twas good to be a Rossie back then.
Quote from: AbbeySider on July 11, 2011, 10:46:10 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 11, 2011, 09:05:19 PM
There's something oddly reassuring and calming reading the neuroses in this thread. It's like the changing of the seasons, or night following day.
Reassuring and calming? Maybe... but aren't we also ignoring the big white elephants in the room?
There is another battle taking place off the pitch between Kenny and the Rossies and tensions are mounting. I'd wager the headlines may not all be about the football aspect of Sunday
You're right there. I see in the Indo today Ming is saying "Enda Kenny will get the welcome he deserves. I wonder how he will react to 10,000 crosses being held above people's heads while the national anthem is going on"
It could be a nasty enough atmosphere. Anyway, this thread is about the football, so I'll leave it at that.
Newstalk was good last night - both the Rossies (Seamus Hayden and Cake Curran) and the Mayo gang (Brady, McHale, WJP and JOM) thought their own sides would probably come out on top. Could be a great match yet.
Anyone else here going to the Mayo & Ros supporters joint table quiz in Dublin tomorrow night - think I might head along for the craic.
Quote from: moysider on July 12, 2011, 12:23:30 AM
I understood every word and I know you did too. If you think that s bad Lar imagine what shite the correctors of the JC and LC are facing into right now as they try to decipher the texting Xbox generation hyriglifics. Cuconnacht is Milton in comparison to the average illiterate nowadays. And I m not talking about the grey horse that would have leapt over the stand in Dr Hyde Park.
Not that I m suggesting that you re illiterate Cuconnacht - you re just struggling with a new technology, as I still am myself. I reckon your heart is in the right place. Not sure I agree with you about the lack of backbone in the team. It may develop into a team with lots of backbone. We ll see. But the team v Galway was not the team that played London and they certainly cannot be held to account for what happened 07/08/09/10 and before. Horan and his team can only win their own battles. They can not undo the mistakes of the past. Those stains are there to stay - like the blood of martyrs that refuses to be scrubbed away.
Woah! :o
Welcome aboard Sir.
Of course I did understand every word of it. I could see he was being totally honest but maybe a little bit OTT.
I was just laughing at the impression it was going to make on the politically correct gents who butt in on our discussions from time to time. I admire cuconnacht's honesty and his direct approach and I do happen to agree with him most of the way.
Like you, I think this team has backbone. That's something Mayo teams in recent years didn't have. They won't show the white feather to anyone and I can live with poor freeetaking or lads being caught out of position.
Those problems can be addressed—lack of gumption can't.
Whatever happens on Sunday, I don't expect to see lads failing to show for a pass or hoofing the ball away from them as far as possible as soon as they get it. I can accept anything but that.
I hope cuconnacht will stay with us here. To hell with those with who think grammar and syntax is worth more than honest opinion—substance will come always come before style as far as I'm concerned.
I think cuconnacht has plenty of the former and the latter will come in time. There are lots of fine posters on this board who wouldn't know a full stop fro a bus stop but they can still make perfect sense to me.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 11, 2011, 11:16:04 PM
(Come to think of it, I can't agree with a single one either since I haven't a clue what you're on about.)
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 12, 2011, 08:46:38 AM
Of course I did understand every word of it.
How about I wear my politically correct grammar and syntax cap and stand in this corner, and you put on the walking contradiction lickarseeeeen cap and stand in the other? ;)
As for you Moy, I think your backing up your new found pal as you like the fact he seems to think that its the "its the northmayomen who handle the dog day afternoons"... Dont forget its players from the other cardinal directions that are currently propping up the Mayo team your both describing as having backbone! :P
BTW I wasnt getting personal with the chap, and he admitted and corrected his mistakes and put it down to the technology so I have no problem with that. ;D
Welcome aboard Cuconnacht !
David Brady via Newstalk and Twitter:
This game will be in the mental pot.
;D
Quote from: muppet on July 12, 2011, 11:30:17 AM
David Brady via Newstalk and Twitter:
This game will be in the mental pot.
;D
:D Not too far wrong either I'd say....
Quote from: AbbeySider on July 12, 2011, 09:42:21 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 11, 2011, 11:16:04 PM
(Come to think of it, I can't agree with a single one either since I haven't a clue what you're on about.)
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 12, 2011, 08:46:38 AM
Of course I did understand every word of it.
How about I wear my politically correct grammar and syntax cap and stand in this corner, and you put on the walking contradiction lickarseeeeen cap and stand in the other? ;)
As for you Moy, I think your backing up your new found pal as you like the fact he seems to think that its the "its the northmayomen who handle the dog day afternoons"... Dont forget its players from the other cardinal directions that are currently propping up the Mayo team your both describing as having backbone! :P
BTW I wasnt getting personal with the chap, and he admitted and corrected his mistakes and put it down to the technology so I have no problem with that. ;D
Welcome aboard Cuconnacht !
Jaysus Abbey you re givin everybody a slap today. I d sooner face the missus after a late night on the batter.
My newfound friend may well be a northmayo man himself? It was an old wisdom that good Mayo teams were backboned by men from the North. Men like Courell, Ormsbys, Grier from the early days. The fifties had the Mulderrigs, Gilvarry, Wynne, Forde, Quinn and Langan off the top of my head. The North man can either be a townie or a more mountainy type. Check out what happened the journalist John Healy when Langan took exception to something he wrote.
There was also a thing about every successful Mayo team having an Erris man in the side.
The lack of men from the heartland is a bit of a concern, and the alpha clubs around the lakes seem to be going through a bit of a dip at the moment. The county team will have to do its best without us for a while. I ve no doubt that they ll be up for the challenge ;)
Quote from: AbbeySider on July 12, 2011, 09:42:21 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 11, 2011, 11:16:04 PM
(Come to think of it, I can't agree with a single one either since I haven't a clue what you're on about.)
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 12, 2011, 08:46:38 AM
Of course I did understand every word of it.
How about I wear my politically correct grammar and syntax cap and stand in this corner, and you put on the walking contradiction lickarseeeeen cap and stand in the other? ;)
As for you Moy, I think your backing up your new found pal as you like the fact he seems to think that its the "its the northmayomen who handle the dog day afternoons"... Dont forget its players from the other cardinal directions that are currently propping up the Mayo team your both describing as having backbone! :P
BTW I wasnt getting personal with the chap, and he admitted and corrected his mistakes and put it down to the technology so I have no problem with that. ;D
Welcome aboard Cuconnacht !
Geez, Abbey, of course I don't need to have a clue 'bout what the poor man was saying to know what he meant!
He's from Mayo, isn't he, and so am I!
I never needed a fact yet to let fly at anything that moves and I think I never will.
Now, I could see that cuconnacht was worked up about something and since this is a GAA board and Mayo are heading into a big game; it had to be about the state of football in the county. That gives him a pretty wide canvas to paint on so he doesn't need to be too specific with the details to get me on his side.
Elementary logic I would imagine.
Anyway, go back and check your own effin' grammar and syntax. After all, you've admitted that you are often guilty of guilty of making the same mistakes as poor cuconnacht.did.
(Anyway, ye were always a cranky shower of hoors in South Mayo.) ;D
Interesting comments from Prenty in the Mayo News. Do I detect a little threat to future Connacht finals at Hyde Park there?
From Mayo News
http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=13205:no-hyde-ing-place-for-enda&catid=23:news&Itemid=46
Connacht GAA Council Secretary John Prenty said that the council had not been informed about any protest planned for the game. "We haven't been informed about a protest. Hopefully it will take place outside the ground and not inside, because there are games to organise. We're trying to bring events into Roscommon, not take them out of it," he said.
Quote from: moysider on July 12, 2011, 12:50:38 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on July 12, 2011, 09:42:21 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 11, 2011, 11:16:04 PM
(Come to think of it, I can't agree with a single one either since I haven't a clue what you're on about.)
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 12, 2011, 08:46:38 AM
Of course I did understand every word of it.
How about I wear my politically correct grammar and syntax cap and stand in this corner, and you put on the walking contradiction lickarseeeeen cap and stand in the other? ;)
As for you Moy, I think your backing up your new found pal as you like the fact he seems to think that its the "its the northmayomen who handle the dog day afternoons"... Dont forget its players from the other cardinal directions that are currently propping up the Mayo team your both describing as having backbone! :P
BTW I wasnt getting personal with the chap, and he admitted and corrected his mistakes and put it down to the technology so I have no problem with that. ;D
Welcome aboard Cuconnacht !
Jaysus Abbey you re givin everybody a slap today. I d sooner face the missus after a late night on the batter.
My newfound friend may well be a northmayo man himself? It was an old wisdom that good Mayo teams were backboned by men from the North. Men like Courell, Ormsbys, Grier from the early days. The fifties had the Mulderrigs, Gilvarry, Wynne, Forde, Quinn and Langan off the top of my head. The North man can either be a townie or a more mountainy type. Check out what happened the journalist John Healy when Langan took exception to something he wrote.
There was also a thing about every successful Mayo team having an Erris man in the side.
The lack of men from the heartland is a bit of a concern, and the alpha clubs around the lakes seem to be going through a bit of a dip at the moment. The county team will have to do its best without us for a while. I ve no doubt that they ll be up for the challenge ;)
Ballina and London i'd say moysider ;)
Quote from: Turlough O Carolan on July 12, 2011, 01:50:53 PM
Interesting comments from Prenty in the Mayo News. Do I detect a little threat to future Connacht finals at Hyde Park there?
From Mayo News
http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=13205:no-hyde-ing-place-for-enda&catid=23:news&Itemid=46
Connacht GAA Council Secretary John Prenty said that the council had not been informed about any protest planned for the game. "We haven't been informed about a protest. Hopefully it will take place outside the ground and not inside, because there are games to organise. We're trying to bring events into Roscommon, not take them out of it," he said.
i'm sure the
Pren Connacht Council would only love to confine Finals to Castlebar or the wind tunnel .
Personally I hope any protests or demos are outside the grounds as our 2 teams are likely to be the losers if there are invasions, marches around the pitch etc.
Mind you if our
May revered Taoiseach is coat trailed into the Hyde it may be too much for a lot of Ros people.
Quote from: Turlough O Carolan on July 12, 2011, 01:50:53 PM
Interesting comments from Prenty in the Mayo News. Do I detect a little threat to future Connacht finals at Hyde Park there?From Mayo News
http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=13205:no-hyde-ing-place-for-enda&catid=23:news&Itemid=46
Connacht GAA Council Secretary John Prenty said that the council had not been informed about any protest planned for the game. "We haven't been informed about a protest. Hopefully it will take place outside the ground and not inside, because there are games to organise. We're trying to bring events into Roscommon, not take them out of it," he said.
I wouldn t think there s a threat there. How could there be. Events have been taken out of Roscommon by HSE, not by the GAA. Why should a great event for the town be marred by a protest about something entirely unrelated?
Quote from: moysider on July 12, 2011, 02:08:33 PM
Quote from: Turlough O Carolan on July 12, 2011, 01:50:53 PM
Interesting comments from Prenty in the Mayo News. Do I detect a little threat to future Connacht finals at Hyde Park there?From Mayo News
http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=13205:no-hyde-ing-place-for-enda&catid=23:news&Itemid=46
Connacht GAA Council Secretary John Prenty said that the council had not been informed about any protest planned for the game. "We haven't been informed about a protest. Hopefully it will take place outside the ground and not inside, because there are games to organise. We're trying to bring events into Roscommon, not take them out of it," he said.
I wouldn t think there s a threat there. How could there be. Events have been taken out of Roscommon by HSE, not by the GAA. Why should a great event for the town be marred by a protest about something entirely unrelated?
because a lot of people care far more about their health and lives than a GAA match.
Quote from: neilthemac on July 12, 2011, 02:13:14 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 12, 2011, 02:08:33 PM
Quote from: Turlough O Carolan on July 12, 2011, 01:50:53 PM
Interesting comments from Prenty in the Mayo News. Do I detect a little threat to future Connacht finals at Hyde Park there?From Mayo News
http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=13205:no-hyde-ing-place-for-enda&catid=23:news&Itemid=46
Connacht GAA Council Secretary John Prenty said that the council had not been informed about any protest planned for the game. "We haven't been informed about a protest. Hopefully it will take place outside the ground and not inside, because there are games to organise. We're trying to bring events into Roscommon, not take them out of it," he said.
I wouldn t think there s a threat there. How could there be. Events have been taken out of Roscommon by HSE, not by the GAA. Why should a great event for the town be marred by a protest about something entirely unrelated?
because a lot of people care far more about their health and lives than a GAA match.
Not the point. This GAA match is bringing something positive to the town not taking something away. Why link the 2 events? I ve no problem with Roscommon people being annoyed by what has happened and not accepting it but I m not sure a protest at a game of football is the right thing to do? If Kenny stays away will a protest take place anyway now?
Quote from: moysider on July 12, 2011, 12:50:38 PM
Jaysus Abbey you re givin everybody a slap today. I d sooner face the missus after a late night on the batter.
:D :D :D
Quote from: moysider on July 12, 2011, 12:50:38 PM
My newfound friend may well be a northmayo man himself? It was an old wisdom that good Mayo teams were backboned by men from the North. Men like Courell, Ormsbys, Grier from the early days. The fifties had the Mulderrigs, Gilvarry, Wynne, Forde, Quinn and Langan off the top of my head. The North man can either be a townie or a more mountainy type. Check out what happened the journalist John Healy when Langan took exception to something he wrote.
There was also a thing about every successful Mayo team having an Erris man in the side.
The lack of men from the heartland is a bit of a concern, and the alpha clubs around the lakes seem to be going through a bit of a dip at the moment. The county team will have to do its best without us for a while. I ve no doubt that they ll be up for the challenge ;)
North Mayo the backbone of the
good Mayo teams is it? And your going back to the 30's to prove that point while failing to mention that the 1951 team, was where (arguably) some of the best of players were from the other points of the compass! :P
You see Moy, I think ye North Mayo boys are actually in dreamland and are looking at things the wrong way around (arseways we call it down here). Rather than saying that North Mayo players were the backbone of the
good Mayo teams; maybe the fact that we have not won an All Ireland in 60 years is actually down to so many North Mayo men (ye all hold so dear) being on the team?
Now that West Mayo is the stronghold of club football at all Senior levels in Mayo, and a significant shift has swung the pendulum away from the North; maybe now we can see Mayo break loose of those shackles and actually win an All Ireland in the next few years. ;) :D :P
As for you Lar, either you are gone soft in your old age, or you guys have some sort of physic powers that kinetically link yourselves to cuconnacht enabling you to coherently understand those crazy ramblings and often come out with some of your own (dont we all says Lar). In either case I am not at your level yet but I am striving for it. ;)
Talking seriously about the game, for my tuppence worth I think we will beat the Rossies on Sunday.
I am kind of confident as I think Leitrim were terrible and could have been one of the worst county championship sides I had seen in a while so any big scoreline against them could have been a false promise.
While Galway were bad they were still sticky in spots and we were able to out play them all over the park. I also think that Mayo coming to the Hyde on Sunday will be a big step up from playing division 4 league football that Roscommon are used to.
My tip on Paddypower for the Galway game was Mayo by 4-6 points @ 9/2
This time I am going to be just as bold and go with the same bet, Mayo by 4-6 points @ 4-1
Quote from: AbbeySider on July 12, 2011, 03:00:01 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 12, 2011, 12:50:38 PM
Jaysus Abbey you re givin everybody a slap today. I d sooner face the missus after a late night on the batter.
:D :D :D
Quote from: moysider on July 12, 2011, 12:50:38 PM
My newfound friend may well be a northmayo man himself? It was an old wisdom that good Mayo teams were backboned by men from the North. Men like Courell, Ormsbys, Grier from the early days. The fifties had the Mulderrigs, Gilvarry, Wynne, Forde, Quinn and Langan off the top of my head. The North man can either be a townie or a more mountainy type. Check out what happened the journalist John Healy when Langan took exception to something he wrote.
There was also a thing about every successful Mayo team having an Erris man in the side.
The lack of men from the heartland is a bit of a concern, and the alpha clubs around the lakes seem to be going through a bit of a dip at the moment. The county team will have to do its best without us for a while. I ve no doubt that they ll be up for the challenge ;)
North Mayo the backbone of the good Mayo teams is it? And your going back to the 30's to prove that point while failing to mention that the 1951 team, was where (arguably) some of the best of players were from the other points of the compass! :P
You see Moy, I think ye North Mayo boys are actually in dreamland and are looking at things the wrong way around (arseways we call it down here). Rather than saying that North Mayo players were the backbone of the good Mayo teams; maybe the fact that we have not won an All Ireland in 60 years is actually down to so many North Mayo men (ye all hold so dear) being on the team?
Now that West Mayo is the stronghold of club football at all Senior levels in Mayo, and a significant shift has swung the pendulum away from the North; maybe now we can see Mayo break loose of those shackles and actually win an All Ireland in the next few years. ;) :D :PAs for you Lar, either you are gone soft in your old age, or you guys have some sort of physic powers that kinetically link yourselves to cuconnacht enabling you to coherently understand those crazy ramblings and often come out with some of your own (dont we all says Lar). In either case I am not at your level yet but I am striving for it. ;)
Jesus tis a good job ye boys only won the county . There would be no talking to ye if ye brought Andy Home ;)
Where did your post go to Abbeysider ? 8)
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Where did your post go to Abbeysider ? 8)
Sorry Deel, here you go:
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Quote from: the Deel Rover on July 12, 2011, 03:08:56 PM
Jesus tis a good job ye boys only won the county . There would be no talking to ye if ye brought Andy Home ;)
Only in our dreams Deel!
8) 8)
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Quote from: the Deel Rover on July 12, 2011, 03:28:28 PM
Where did your post go to Abbeysider ? 8)
Sorry Deel, here you go:
Quote from: AbbeySider on July 12, 2011, 03:25:04 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on July 12, 2011, 03:08:56 PM
Jesus tis a good job ye boys only won the county . There would be no talking to ye if ye brought Andy Home ;)
Only in our dreams Deel!
8) 8)
don't recall seeing that statment ;) :D
Not really sure how this one is going to go on Sunday. I sense the Mayo lads are putting a bit too much stock in having beaten Galway. A Galway side without many of it's best forwards available and hindered by an off the wall team selection that had near half the team playing out of position. Galway were so bad on the day I honestly believe the vast majority of teams in the country would have beaten us by something similiar. Some would have flayed us altogether. Even something as basic as picking players in the right positions meant we were much improved against Meath. Horse had bolted by then though.
Then again while Roscommon are obviously improving they haven't really beaten anyone of note yet (and I include Sligo from last year in that). They were fairly impressive though in disposing of Leitrim although Leitrim were dreadful and completely physically outgunned by the Rossies.
I have a very small inkling that home advantage ramped up by the Roscommon hospital controversy might sneak Roscommon over the line but not with any great confidence. Mayo might just have a bit more experience in key positions that could negate that and turn the tables on the day.
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Quote from: AbbeySider on July 12, 2011, 03:36:11 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on July 12, 2011, 03:28:28 PM
Where did your post go to Abbeysider ? 8)
Sorry Deel, here you go:
Quote from: AbbeySider on July 12, 2011, 03:25:04 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on July 12, 2011, 03:08:56 PM
Jesus tis a good job ye boys only won the county . There would be no talking to ye if ye brought Andy Home ;)
Only in our dreams Deel!
8) 8)
don't recall seeing that statment ;) :D
As I said, ye North Mayo lads are in dreamland half the time, ye only see what ye want to see! :P :D :D :D 8) 8) 8)
Quote from: muppet on July 12, 2011, 11:30:17 AM
David Brady via Newstalk and Twitter:
This game will be in the mental pot.
;D
He really should get his own show.
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Quote from: Turlough O Carolan on July 12, 2011, 01:50:53 PM
Interesting comments from Prenty in the Mayo News. Do I detect a little threat to future Connacht finals at Hyde Park there?From Mayo News
http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=13205:no-hyde-ing-place-for-enda&catid=23:news&Itemid=46
Connacht GAA Council Secretary John Prenty said that the council had not been informed about any protest planned for the game. "We haven't been informed about a protest. Hopefully it will take place outside the ground and not inside, because there are games to organise. We're trying to bring events into Roscommon, not take them out of it," he said.
I wouldn t think there s a threat there. How could there be. Events have been taken out of Roscommon by HSE, not by the GAA. Why should a great event for the town be marred by a protest about something entirely unrelated?
because a lot of people care far more about their health and lives than a GAA match.
Not the point. This GAA match is bringing something positive to the town not taking something away. Why link the 2 events? I ve no problem with Roscommon people being annoyed by what has happened and not accepting it but I m not sure a protest at a game of football is the right thing to do? If Kenny stays away will a protest take place anyway now?
It would be better if he stayed away. No doubt if he's there protests will take place inside the ground & the majority would carry it off in civilised manner however some thugs (every county has them) out there might turn up to the game just because Enda attends & do something stupid.
Anyways back to football talk.
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Quote from: Turlough O Carolan on July 12, 2011, 01:50:53 PM
Interesting comments from Prenty in the Mayo News. Do I detect a little threat to future Connacht finals at Hyde Park there?From Mayo News
http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=13205:no-hyde-ing-place-for-enda&catid=23:news&Itemid=46
Connacht GAA Council Secretary John Prenty said that the council had not been informed about any protest planned for the game. "We haven't been informed about a protest. Hopefully it will take place outside the ground and not inside, because there are games to organise. We're trying to bring events into Roscommon, not take them out of it," he said.
I wouldn t think there s a threat there. How could there be. Events have been taken out of Roscommon by HSE, not by the GAA. Why should a great event for the town be marred by a protest about something entirely unrelated?
I think a protest in the town to highlight the issue to the large crowd and the Taoiseach is justified. But anything that would disrupt the match or attendance is'nt. The Roscommon and Mayo senior players, the Galway minors and all 3 sets of supporters are'nt the cause of the closure. The HSE are and the Taoiseach has'nt exactly covered himself in glory in the way he handled it. If he has any cop he should make it known he wont be attending. Might relieve some of the tension instead of angry Roscommon residents being subjected to the sight of Enda in a Mayo leprachaun suit considering the weeks thats in it.
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Jaysus Abbey you re givin everybody a slap today. I d sooner face the missus after a late night on the batter.
:D :D :D
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My newfound friend may well be a northmayo man himself? It was an old wisdom that good Mayo teams were backboned by men from the North. Men like Courell, Ormsbys, Grier from the early days. The fifties had the Mulderrigs, Gilvarry, Wynne, Forde, Quinn and Langan off the top of my head. The North man can either be a townie or a more mountainy type. Check out what happened the journalist John Healy when Langan took exception to something he wrote.
There was also a thing about every successful Mayo team having an Erris man in the side.
The lack of men from the heartland is a bit of a concern, and the alpha clubs around the lakes seem to be going through a bit of a dip at the moment. The county team will have to do its best without us for a while. I ve no doubt that they ll be up for the challenge ;)
North Mayo the backbone of the good Mayo teams is it? And your going back to the 30's to prove that point while failing to mention that the 1951 team, was where (arguably) some of the best of players were from the other points of the compass! :P
You see Moy, I think ye North Mayo boys are actually in dreamland and are looking at things the wrong way around (arseways we call it down here). Rather than saying that North Mayo players were the backbone of the good Mayo teams; maybe the fact that we have not won an All Ireland in 60 years is actually down to so many North Mayo men (ye all hold so dear) being on the team?
Now that West Mayo is the stronghold of club football at all Senior levels in Mayo, and a significant shift has swung the pendulum away from the North; maybe now we can see Mayo break loose of those shackles and actually win an All Ireland in the next few years. ;) :D :P
As for you Lar, either you are gone soft in your old age, or you guys have some sort of physic powers that kinetically link yourselves to cuconnacht enabling you to coherently understand those crazy ramblings and often come out with some of your own (dont we all says Lar). In either case I am not at your level yet but I am striving for it. ;)
You re a mighty man to take the bait Abbey. If you were a salmon you wouldn t get past the first bridge in Ballina.
But while we re at it I could make a case for North players being under used by the county. I ll mention a few examples.
Brady, Harte and McGarrity were ignored as minors even though they were clearly good enough and the last two key men in successful underage club teams. For years there has been a plethora of minors from a South Mayo town. Yet they haven t managed to produce a senior championship player since Kevin Beirne if memory serves me correctly. What s happening there I wonder?
Players like Jimmy Browne and Michael Collins were ignored in their prime. Collins played as a teenager and not again til his 30s. Mayo s best defender in 89 final but only got to play when Frank Noone was injured. Browne overlooked for years when he was one of the top club players in the county year in year out. Then there was the strange case of Kevin O Neill and Peter Butler. Somebody was convinced that David Nestor and Castlebar banker Pat Holmes were better!!! Kevin Stanton was the dominant midfielder in the county for over a decade with the Ballina pair but it was easier to leave him out. It was also easier I supposed not be arsed trying with Padraig Brogan. Funny last night on newstalk when Johnno was talking about players missing in 89 nobody mentioned The Bomber. Probably too embarrassing for everybody. There were others. Anthony Egan was underused. Jim Timoney. Joe Keane one of the cleverest forwards I ve seen play in this county and size should not have been an issue. Fred Molloy. PJ McGarry. Eugene Walsh. All top players. There is still some bitterness about how Joe Corcoran was treated by the board and left behind on a team trip to America. It s not easy being from the North :'(
All academic now anyway. The swing in fortune may only be temporary. Knockmore will never be far away and if Ballina get their act together there are some serious teams coming through. The North will rise again ;D
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Quote from: AbbeySider on July 12, 2011, 03:00:01 PM
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Jaysus Abbey you re givin everybody a slap today. I d sooner face the missus after a late night on the batter.
:D :D :D
Quote from: moysider on July 12, 2011, 12:50:38 PM
My newfound friend may well be a northmayo man himself? It was an old wisdom that good Mayo teams were backboned by men from the North. Men like Courell, Ormsbys, Grier from the early days. The fifties had the Mulderrigs, Gilvarry, Wynne, Forde, Quinn and Langan off the top of my head. The North man can either be a townie or a more mountainy type. Check out what happened the journalist John Healy when Langan took exception to something he wrote.
There was also a thing about every successful Mayo team having an Erris man in the side.
The lack of men from the heartland is a bit of a concern, and the alpha clubs around the lakes seem to be going through a bit of a dip at the moment. The county team will have to do its best without us for a while. I ve no doubt that they ll be up for the challenge ;)
North Mayo the backbone of the good Mayo teams is it? And your going back to the 30's to prove that point while failing to mention that the 1951 team, was where (arguably) some of the best of players were from the other points of the compass! :P
You see Moy, I think ye North Mayo boys are actually in dreamland and are looking at things the wrong way around (arseways we call it down here). Rather than saying that North Mayo players were the backbone of the good Mayo teams; maybe the fact that we have not won an All Ireland in 60 years is actually down to so many North Mayo men (ye all hold so dear) being on the team?
Now that West Mayo is the stronghold of club football at all Senior levels in Mayo, and a significant shift has swung the pendulum away from the North; maybe now we can see Mayo break loose of those shackles and actually win an All Ireland in the next few years. ;) :D :P
As for you Lar, either you are gone soft in your old age, or you guys have some sort of physic powers that kinetically link yourselves to cuconnacht enabling you to coherently understand those crazy ramblings and often come out with some of your own (dont we all says Lar). In either case I am not at your level yet but I am striving for it. ;)
You re a mighty man to take the bait Abbey. If you were a salmon you wouldn t get past the first bridge in Ballina.
But while we re at it I could make a case for North players being under used by the county. I ll mention a few examples.
Brady, Harte and McGarrity were ignored as minors even though they were clearly good enough and the last two key men in successful underage club teams. For years there has been a plethora of minors from a South Mayo town. Yet they haven t managed to produce a senior championship player since Kevin Beirne if memory serves me correctly. What s happening there I wonder?
Players like Jimmy Browne and Michael Collins were ignored in their prime. Collins played as a teenager and not again til his 30s. Mayo s best defender in 89 final but only got to play when Frank Noone was injured. Browne overlooked for years when he was one of the top club players in the county year in year out. Then there was the strange case of Kevin O Neill and Peter Butler. Somebody was convinced that David Nestor and Castlebar banker Pat Holmes were better!!! Kevin Stanton was the dominant midfielder in the county for over a decade with the Ballina pair but it was easier to leave him out. It was also easier I supposed not be arsed trying with Padraig Brogan. Funny last night on newstalk when Johnno was talking about players missing in 89 nobody mentioned The Bomber. Probably too embarrassing for everybody. There were others. Anthony Egan was underused. Jim Timoney. Joe Keane one of the cleverest forwards I ve seen play in this county and size should not have been an issue. Fred Molloy. PJ McGarry. Eugene Walsh. All top players. There is still some bitterness about how Joe Corcoran was treated by the board and left behind on a team trip to America. It s not easy being from the North :'(
All academic now anyway. The swing in fortune may only be temporary. Knockmore will never be far away and if Ballina get their act together there are some serious teams coming through. The North will rise again ;D
You tell em Moysider. While you are getting that out of your system, I could mention tough defenders like Pat Warde and Michael Molloy and Dessie R from my own beloved parish who should have been given a good run, but as farmers and builders they might not have been fashioanble enough. Butlers ommission above all still gets up my goat, what we could do with a player of his ability and will to win in Knockmore now :( :( :(
On the current squad, I still think Kilcoyne is worth his place in the squad. Our subs bench is hopelessly light and small up front and I cannot believe that we have forward subs who are better.........I would never be his greatest fan at club level, but he seems to be able to do it on the big stage when others go missing.
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Quote from: Turlough O Carolan on July 12, 2011, 01:50:53 PM
Interesting comments from Prenty in the Mayo News. Do I detect a little threat to future Connacht finals at Hyde Park there?From Mayo News
http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=13205:no-hyde-ing-place-for-enda&catid=23:news&Itemid=46
Connacht GAA Council Secretary John Prenty said that the council had not been informed about any protest planned for the game. "We haven't been informed about a protest. Hopefully it will take place outside the ground and not inside, because there are games to organise. We're trying to bring events into Roscommon, not take them out of it," he said.
I wouldn t think there s a threat there. How could there be. Events have been taken out of Roscommon by HSE, not by the GAA. Why should a great event for the town be marred by a protest about something entirely unrelated?
because a lot of people care far more about their health and lives than a GAA match.
Not the point. This GAA match is bringing something positive to the town not taking something away. Why link the 2 events? I ve no problem with Roscommon people being annoyed by what has happened and not accepting it but I m not sure a protest at a game of football is the right thing to do? If Kenny stays away will a protest take place anyway now?
It would be better if he stayed away. No doubt if he's there protests will take place inside the ground & the majority would carry it off in civilised manner however some thugs (every county has them) out there might turn up to the game just because Enda attends & do something stupid.
Anyways back to football talk.
I think it would be best for all concerned if Enda stayed well away from the Hyde on Sunday. He's landed himself in trouble and it's up to him to deal with this problem of his own making. I'm certain most Galway and Mayo supporters are in sympathy with the good people of Roscommon on this issue and nobody wants trouble from any quarter.
I hope to bring a couple of grandkids along with me and I'd say there are many people from all counties involved who also want to make this a family day out. I accept that Roscommon people will use the occasion to stage a demonstration and make their feelings known and I've no problem with that. If Kenny does show up a few hotheads might overreact and there could be trouble.
If he has any sense he'll bugger off somewhere else.
I don't know what to do about the kids; disappointing them is bad enough but having the wits scared out of them is infinitely worse. I think I'll wait until Sunday morning before I decide whether to bring them or leave them behind.
I d say you ll be safe enough bringing them. And you re right about him staying away now. He d be a football man and would want to be there but tough. You can t make promises to people and as head of state go back on them based on a report of very watery integrity if latest reports are correct. The good name of top professionals in Roscommon hospital has been tarnished by the spin surrounding it all as the cabinet heavy hitters circle the wagons around the leader. Let him stay away to hell and let the games go ahead with as little bad feeling as possible. I would have no problem with some kind of protest outside and even if the Ros teams wore armbands or something that wouldn t bother me either. Though it would probably pick up a heavy fine and mightn t do heads any good either.
Anyway maybe we shouldn t bother playing the Rossies. We could have a North Mayo team against the rest of Mayo in McHale Park and Enda could throw in the ball like the auld Archbishops used to do. And Michael Collins loved that job too.
If there is a protest planned, it won't be played in Roscommon.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 12, 2011, 09:18:44 PM
If there is a protest planned, it won't be played in Roscommon.
Wha? Where s this coming from? Protest or not the match has to go ahead in Dr. Hyde Park. Taking the game elsewhere would be a complete overreaction and not sure I would attend if it were to happen.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 12, 2011, 09:18:44 PM
If there is a protest planned, it won't be played in Roscommon.
There is a protest planned & it will be played in Roscommon no matter what.
And I expect that Enda Kenny will be there even if I said earlier that he should stay away. But he cant can he? If he wusses out he ll completely lack credibility, dodging a crisis. He s no choice but to face the music. I d wear an old suit if I were him as there could be eggs and paint flying. A few big thick guards might have to take a few belts for the leader as well.
I just sparked up the machine here to comment on what an old-fashioned provincial final build-up this is, with two counties down on their luck looking forward to seventy minutes in the sun.
What do I get instead? An Taoiseach in an old suit preparatory to be doused with eggs, paint and maybe even animal refuse, and some miserable guards, much happier inside in the barracks drinking tay and playing cards, having to vaseline up their jaws to take one for the leader from the wild men of Tulsk, Tarmonbarry and environs. Well I don't know. I don't know at all.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 12, 2011, 09:18:44 PM
If there is a protest planned, it won't be played in Roscommon.
Of course it will be played in Roscommon. If there is a protest planned in the town, it has nothing to do with the gaa. and the connacht council can't dictate whether 30000 people decide to applaud or boo the taoiseach (if they even get the opportunity).
Like moysider, I think enda will be there - he has to face up to it, he would do a lot more damage to his credibility by staying away. Anyway, this is taking over from the football talk now.
Hopefully we get a team named tomorrow to discuss.
I'm only telling ye what I heard from a Connacht council official this evening. I'll keep my mouth :-X anymore.
I see Noel Connelly is going for a Roscommon win - better forwards and proven free-taker. He could be right but as a former manager of a lot of these guys it doesn t say a lot about his faith in them. As a former player and captain I would expect a more bullish attitude.
On a different note it is good to see that he is still bitter about the contemptible decision to send off his brother in 01, a decision that cost us that particular final. So we re due a break in this one but my experience of Collins as a referee I wouldn t be surprised by another shafting. It s a wonder they didn t send down that Monaghan ***** to show us what a great referree he is again before he goes. That way both counties would have something to protest about.
Now, now Moysider, how did that cost ye the final? Ros were down to 14 men for all the second half, Mayo for the last 10 mins. Lohan was surrounded by Mayo men when he struck the winning goal. It was a self inflicted error by Mayo that led to it. John Newton was wrongly sent off thanks to Gabriel Irwins playacting in 93 and there wasn't a word about it. The order of the GAA cosmos has already balanced itself out.
Cost ye the game good god almighty! Wrong man was sent off as it was Peter Burke that threw the punch. Noel Connelly is a first man in the Mayo media to tip Roscommon, all the others went for a easy Mayo win.
our own Willie Hegarty tipped Mayo.
Sure he's a Mayo man & will want to see his county play in the Connacht final however does Enda Kenny have to be there? If they want someone high profile at the game why not Mary McAleese. Your always going to get some nut job that will be frothing at mouth at the sight of Enda Kenny & with emotions running high anything is possible.
Forget the credibility in the interest of safety & common sense it's best he stays away.
Quote from: moysider on July 12, 2011, 10:45:54 PM
I see Noel Connelly is going for a Roscommon win - better forwards and proven free-taker. He could be right but as a former manager of a lot of these guys it doesn t say a lot about his faith in them. As a former player and captain I would expect a more bullish attitude.
On a different note it is good to see that he is still bitter about the contemptible decision to send off his brother in 01, a decision that cost us that particular final. So we re due a break in this one but my experience of Collins as a referee I wouldn t be surprised by another shafting. It s a wonder they didn t send down that Monaghan ***** to show us what a great referree he is again before he goes. That way both counties would have something to protest about.
Think youre mixing that up with David Nestors brain freeze moysider ;)
Quote from: moysider on July 12, 2011, 05:39:58 PM
You re a mighty man to take the bait Abbey. If you were a salmon you wouldn t get past the first bridge in Ballina.
But while we re at it I could make a case for North players being under used by the county. I ll mention a few examples.
Brady, Harte and McGarrity were ignored as minors even though they were clearly good enough and the last two key men in successful underage club teams. For years there has been a plethora of minors from a South Mayo town. Yet they haven t managed to produce a senior championship player since Kevin Beirne if memory serves me correctly. What s happening there I wonder?
Players like Jimmy Browne and Michael Collins were ignored in their prime. Collins played as a teenager and not again til his 30s. Mayo s best defender in 89 final but only got to play when Frank Noone was injured. Browne overlooked for years when he was one of the top club players in the county year in year out. Then there was the strange case of Kevin O Neill and Peter Butler. Somebody was convinced that David Nestor and Castlebar banker Pat Holmes were better!!! Kevin Stanton was the dominant midfielder in the county for over a decade with the Ballina pair but it was easier to leave him out. It was also easier I supposed not be arsed trying with Padraig Brogan. Funny last night on newstalk when Johnno was talking about players missing in 89 nobody mentioned The Bomber. Probably too embarrassing for everybody. There were others. Anthony Egan was underused. Jim Timoney. Joe Keane one of the cleverest forwards I ve seen play in this county and size should not have been an issue. Fred Molloy. PJ McGarry. Eugene Walsh. All top players. There is still some bitterness about how Joe Corcoran was treated by the board and left behind on a team trip to America. It s not easy being from the North :'(
All academic now anyway. The swing in fortune may only be temporary. Knockmore will never be far away and if Ballina get their act together there are some serious teams coming through. The North will rise again ;D
Ironically Moy, I think your a mighty man to take the bait, I was only winding with all that stuff about the North! ;)
But you raise some good points, and I would only add that genuinely good enough lads were still being over looked even in the last few years.
Ballintubber won division 1 minor league and A championship titles in the same year in 2004 and I think only one player was playing county minor from that crop which was a travesty. Also when we won two county U21 titles back to back we had a very, very poor showing on county panels so it was obvious there was some biased against us.
In years gone by the West was always overlooked as I suppose it wouldnt have been the strongest. Off the top of my head, I can only think of James Horan being overlooked as a county minor and U21 but that could be because he was a late bloomer. In the past the likes of the current Ballintubber captain, Tom Early should have gotten a chance as should Micheal Hoban and John Feeney when they were in their prime.
I think a few of the Tourmakeady lads were good enough for county panels and may have been overlooked too. John Henerghan put the fear of God in many a midfield pairing travelling to Tourmak for years. I always thought that Brian Naughton was good enough in the past as well.
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 13, 2011, 12:04:41 AM
Sure he's a Mayo man & will want to see his county play in the Connacht final however does Enda Kenny have to be there? If they want someone high profile at the game why not Mary McAleese. Your always going to get some nut job that will be frothing at mouth at the sight of Enda Kenny & with emotions running high anything is possible.
Forget the credibility in the interest of safety & common sense it's best he stays away.
I totally agree. I dont see Enda losing much credibility that he hasnt already lost in Roscommon so there is nothing to be gained by an appearance. For the safety of everyone its better that he stays away as any showing would only be seen as an act of defiance to those who are daring him to go to the match.
And I hope they keep their protests away from the match and the ground. The GAA has nothing to do with it and its very cheeky and saddening to hijack the game for their own cause. The GAA is apolitical and that should be respected.
When are the teams due to be announced?
Quote from: moysider on July 12, 2011, 10:45:54 PM
the contemptible decision to send off his brother in 01, a decision that cost us that particular final.
Was talking to a disappointed MWR man after that glorious day who said it was all McMenamon's fault .." If he had only kicked the ****in' ball bloody wide like he always does...."
;D :D
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Quote from: moysider on July 12, 2011, 10:45:54 PM
the contemptible decision to send off his brother in 01, a decision that cost us that particular final.
Was talking to a disappointed MWR man after that glorious day who said it was all McMenamon's fault .." If he had only kicked the ****in' ball bloody wide like he always does...."
;D :D
Or Nestor trying some dodgy flick hand pass over his head on the stand side of the pitch!Christ!
Quote from: ross4life on July 12, 2011, 11:23:36 PM
Cost ye the game good god almighty! Wrong man was sent off as it was Peter Burke that threw the punch. Noel Connelly is a first man in the Mayo media to tip Roscommon, all the others went for a easy Mayo win.
our own Willie Hegarty tipped Mayo.
I didn't think ye were soft enough to consider this a punch in Ros??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y86U8s-95Ik&feature=player_detailpage#t=297s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y86U8s-95Ik&feature=player_detailpage#t=297s)
Quote from: moysider on July 12, 2011, 10:45:54 PM
I see Noel Connelly is going for a Roscommon win - better forwards and proven free-taker. He could be right but as a former manager of a lot of these guys it doesn t say a lot about his faith in them. As a former player and captain I would expect a more bullish attitude.
On a different note it is good to see that he is still bitter about the contemptible decision to send off his brother in 01, a decision that cost us that particular final. So we re due a break in this one but my experience of Collins as a referee I wouldn t be surprised by another shafting. It s a wonder they didn t send down that Monaghan ***** to show us what a great referree he is again before he goes. That way both counties would have something to protest about.
You're not having a good day Moysider. Connelly should never have been sent off and what Dolan did was disgraceful. But cost ye the game??????
You've taken Mayo's sense of self pity to a whole new level. David Nestor's "back flick" cost ye the game. Ross were down to 14 men themselves along time before that.
And dont blame the ref considering he missed Colm "the body" trying to take Conor Connelly out of it off the ball and not to mention current sports journalist of the year David Brady repeatedly punching an 18 year old seamie o'neill in the head.
Mayo have more than dished it out to Ross since if vengeance was a motive. On Sunday ye have the players and the experience to win by a few points provided mort and Mcgarrity are back. Ye hardly need perceived grievances to motivate ye.
Quote from: ross matt on July 13, 2011, 11:42:53 AM
Quote from: moysider on July 12, 2011, 10:45:54 PM
I see Noel Connelly is going for a Roscommon win - better forwards and proven free-taker. He could be right but as a former manager of a lot of these guys it doesn t say a lot about his faith in them. As a former player and captain I would expect a more bullish attitude.
On a different note it is good to see that he is still bitter about the contemptible decision to send off his brother in 01, a decision that cost us that particular final. So we re due a break in this one but my experience of Collins as a referee I wouldn t be surprised by another shafting. It s a wonder they didn t send down that Monaghan ***** to show us what a great referree he is again before he goes. That way both counties would have something to protest about.
You're not having a good day Moysider. Connelly should never have been sent off and what Dolan did was disgraceful. But cost ye the game??????
You've taken Mayo's sense of self pity to a whole new level. David Nestor's "back flick" cost ye the game. Ross were down to 14 men themselves along time before that.
And dont blame the ref considering he missed Colm "the body" trying to take Conor Connelly out of it off the ball and not to mention current sports journalist of the year David Brady repeatedly punching an 18 year old seamie o'neill in the head.
Mayo have more than dished it out to Ross since if vengeance was a motive. On Sunday ye have the players and the experience to win by a few points provided mort and Mcgarrity are back. Ye hardly need perceived grievances to motivate ye.
:D :D He's a good laugh on Newstalk in fairness - that's the role he should be targetting, I don't think the majority will ever take him seriously as a tactical analyst!
And by the way, I'd be pretty certain Mort won't be togging on Sunday (assuming you're referring to Conor).
Quote from: Tubberman on July 13, 2011, 11:32:08 AM
Quote from: ross4life on July 12, 2011, 11:23:36 PM
Cost ye the game good god almighty! Wrong man was sent off as it was Peter Burke that threw the punch. Noel Connelly is a first man in the Mayo media to tip Roscommon, all the others went for a easy Mayo win.
our own Willie Hegarty tipped Mayo.
I didn't think ye were soft enough to consider this a punch in Ros??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y86U8s-95Ik&feature=player_detailpage#t=297s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y86U8s-95Ik&feature=player_detailpage#t=297s)
great goal at the end there.... good man Gerry!!
Quote from: ballinaman on July 13, 2011, 11:23:30 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 13, 2011, 10:59:34 AM
Quote from: moysider on July 12, 2011, 10:45:54 PM
the contemptible decision to send off his brother in 01, a decision that cost us that particular final.
Was talking to a disappointed MWR man after that glorious day who said it was all McMenamon's fault .." If he had only kicked the ****in' ball bloody wide like he always does...."
;D :D
Or Nestor trying some dodgy flick hand pass over his head on the stand side of the pitch!Christ!
f**king hell I can remember that so frigging clearly. Why the hell didn't the hoor just kick it wide!!! :-\
Yeah Tubberman. Listeners (and colleagues) laughing at him rather than with him though.
I'm referring to Conor yeah. I thought he was definitely togging. He played club last week did he not?
Surely able to come on if needed and hit frees?
Genuinely beleive this match will be that tight that something as basic as this could be the difference although like I said before McGarrity on form would definitely swing midfield Mayo's way against any opposition.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 13, 2011, 11:56:27 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on July 13, 2011, 11:23:30 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 13, 2011, 10:59:34 AM
Quote from: moysider on July 12, 2011, 10:45:54 PM
the contemptible decision to send off his brother in 01, a decision that cost us that particular final.
Was talking to a disappointed MWR man after that glorious day who said it was all McMenamon's fault .." If he had only kicked the ****in' ball bloody wide like he always does...."
;D :D
Or Nestor trying some dodgy flick hand pass over his head on the stand side of the pitch!Christ!
f**king hell I can remember that so frigging clearly. Why the hell didn't the hoor just kick it wide!!! :-\
Because he was playing for the Brazil of gaelic football Farrendeelin.
Quote from: Tubberman on July 13, 2011, 11:32:08 AM
I didn't think ye were soft enough to consider this a punch in Ros??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y86U8s-95Ik&feature=player_detailpage#t=297s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y86U8s-95Ik&feature=player_detailpage#t=297s)
Christ, will ya look at the crowds at them games!!
If we get a game as entertaining as either of them to games, then we're in for a treat!
I have a feeling it will be a draw on Sunday and it will put the whole championship schedule upside down.
Starting to get in the mood for it now surely. Jesus lads isn't it great to be back in a Connacht final again. Come on Mayo!
Hope to make my first Mayo game in 2 years on the bank holiday weekend. The blood is boiling already.
Quote from: ross matt on July 13, 2011, 11:59:58 AM
Yeah Tubberman. Listeners (and colleagues) laughing at him rather than with him though.
I'm referring to Conor yeah. I thought he was definitely togging. He played club last week did he not?
Surely able to come on if needed and hit frees?
Genuinely beleive this match will be that tight that something as basic as this could be the difference although like I said before McGarrity on form would definitely swing midfield Mayo's way against any opposition.
Well if you place any trust in what managers say these days, Horan has more or less ruled him out for now:
"Conor has made great progress and it was good to see him coming on against Claremorris but he knows himself that he has a bit to go yet. He needs to be playing consistently at club level before he can expect to make the step-up to inter-county fare after an injury like that," Horan told The Western People newspaper.
I think he's right too - Conor only came on as a sub in the club game, he's not near fit enough for a Connacht Final I'd say.
McGarrity will be playing at some stage, but most people expect him to be held in reserve and brought on.
Seamie O'Shea will work himself into the ground and will probably need to be replaced, so McG could come on then, or earlier if we're being cleaned.
On Brady, he was definitely trying too hard on TV3 at the start, and he ended up looking a bit of an eejit - people were definitely laughing at him rather than with him then. But he's a bit more comfortable now (on Newstalk anyway, is he still on TV3?), and doesn't take himself too seriously - you will probably say that's because nobody else does either :D
A few things. Enda Kenny will go to the match. He can't not. He'll be seen to be running scared if he doesn't go.
Can't see any changes in the Mayo team.
If any Mayo player needs motivation, they only need to look at the YouTube clip of that 2001 Final. Still galls me how we left that one behind. Ray Connelly sending off was wrong and probably was crucial. 15 men playing against 14 wouldn't have conceded that goal at the end. People blame Nestor for the stupid flick but the ball still had to be worked 100 yards up the field before it hit the net.
With the Enda Kenny issue added to the typical 'fierce' rivalry between the counties, Sunday's game could be poisonous in terms of atmosphere. Could be the same on the field too. I hope I'm wrong, I hope we get a cracker because I'm really looking forward to Sunday, just worried that things could be a bit hateful.
And as for the North Mayo argument - the cheek of you moysider trying to pass Pat Holmes off as a west Mayo man. A son of Moygownagh, right in the heart of north Mayo. I know you know that but your effort at rebranding him was deadly!
Maybe Enda can take the frees.
Ros first out of the blocks to name an unchanged team:
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2011/0713/roscommon.html (http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2011/0713/roscommon.html)
QuoteRoscommon manager Fergal O'Donnell has kept faith with the same starting 15 who defeated Leitrim for Sunday's Connacht SFC final against Mayo.
Cathal Cregg meanwhile is determined to prove that Roscommon are worthy Connacht champions by reclaiming the title this year, while he also wants to avenge the heavy defeat of June of 2009.
He said: 'You'd still hear a lot of people saying that we got the easy route to the final last year and that Sligo took their eye off the ball.
'Sligo brought us back to level, we went ahead and they brought us level again and we still kicked on and won that game.
And as for the 20-point drubbing in 2009: 'I was just a sub that day but it was pretty humiliating and it'd be great to put that right this weekend.
'To beat one of the Big Two in this Connacht final would definitely be massive, and especially to retain back-to-back titles.'
Roscommon XV v Mayo in the Connacth SFC final at Dr Hyde Park, Sunday, 2pm:
1 Geoffrey Claffey, 2 Seán McDermott, 3 Niall Carty, 4 Stephen Ormsby, 5 David Keenan, 6 Peter Domican (Capt.), 7 Donal Ward, 8 Michael Finneran, 9 Karol Mannion, 10 Senan O'Grady, 11 Kevin Higgins, 12 Cathal Cregg, 13 Conor Devaney, 14 Senan Kilbride, 15 Donal Shine.
It's some set of forwards in fairness. The Mayo defence will need another strong performance to convince people of their worth, and they'll really have their work cut out on Sunday.
Quote from: Bod Mor on July 13, 2011, 12:12:59 PM
Jesus lads isn't it great to be back in a Connacht final again.
For fcuk sake it's only 2 years ago since ye're last one ::)
We had gone 6 years last year.
We've named the same 15 as started v Leitrim......... :D
Connacht Final Ros v Mayo .... like turning the clock back to 89 to 93 when we met 6 times in the Final incl replays.
Little did we see the famine we were to experience afterwards.
As for sunday it's a step up for us and the question is can we take that step or have we bit to go yet?
Sunday will tell the tale .... and I don't really want to be going to McHale Park for a replay... unless we're one score behind with time almost up of course :D
Quote from: Tubberman on July 13, 2011, 12:15:50 PM
Quote from: ross matt on July 13, 2011, 11:59:58 AM
Yeah Tubberman. Listeners (and colleagues) laughing at him rather than with him though.
I'm referring to Conor yeah. I thought he was definitely togging. He played club last week did he not?
Surely able to come on if needed and hit frees?
Genuinely beleive this match will be that tight that something as basic as this could be the difference although like I said before McGarrity on form would definitely swing midfield Mayo's way against any opposition.
Well if you place any trust in what managers say these days, Horan has more or less ruled him out for now:
"Conor has made great progress and it was good to see him coming on against Claremorris but he knows himself that he has a bit to go yet. He needs to be playing consistently at club level before he can expect to make the step-up to inter-county fare after an injury like that," Horan told The Western People newspaper.
I think he's right too - Conor only came on as a sub in the club game, he's not near fit enough for a Connacht Final I'd say.
McGarrity will be playing at some stage, but most people expect him to be held in reserve and brought on.
Seamie O'Shea will work himself into the ground and will probably need to be replaced, so McG could come on then, or earlier if we're being cleaned.
On Brady, he was definitely trying too hard on TV3 at the start, and he ended up looking a bit of an eejit - people were definitely laughing at him rather than with him then. But he's a bit more comfortable now (on Newstalk anyway, is he still on TV3?), and doesn't take himself too seriously - you will probably say that's because nobody else does either :D
Newstalk is where I hear him Tubberman. He is GAA equivalent to Roddy Collins who seems to be their FAI correspondent.
Yeah you're right Horan seems to be writing Conor off for this one unless he's spoofing but I guess half an hour of club football is'nt enough prep for an intercounty provincial final in fairness.
If Mcgarrity is fit he will come on early enough I think. Finneran has improved out of all recognition these last 2 seasons but Karol Mannion (whilst a big man and skillful footballer) is not a natural midfielder. Mayo could win midfield and this might be enough to swing the result unless Cregg and Keenan can win alot of the breaking ball.
Quote from: ross matt on July 13, 2011, 11:42:53 AM
not to mention current sports journalist of the year David Brady repeatedly punching an 18 year old seamie o'neill in the head.
Poor auld Seamie, only out of nappies so he couldn't have deserved it - if he kept his mouth shut and his fists away from Brady's ribs that day he might have been left alone
Serious question: Can anyone tell me where, in the past, was a Provincial Final hi-jacked by a local interest non-Gaa protest?
QuoteSerious question: Can anyone tell me where, in the past, was a Provincial Final hi-jacked by a local interest non-Gaa protest?
H-Block type stuff.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2011/0713/roscommon.html (http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2011/0713/roscommon.html)
QuoteRoscommon manager Fergal O'Donnell has kept faith with the same starting 15 who defeated Leitrim for Sunday's Connacht SFC final against Mayo.
Cathal Cregg meanwhile is determined to prove that Roscommon are worthy Connacht champions by reclaiming the title this year, while he also wants to avenge the heavy defeat of June of 2009.
He said: 'You'd still hear a lot of people saying that we got the easy route to the final last year and that Sligo took their eye off the ball.
'Sligo brought us back to level, we went ahead and they brought us level again and we still kicked on and won that game.
And as for the 20-point drubbing in 2009: 'I was just a sub that day but it was pretty humiliating and it'd be great to put that right this weekend.
'To beat one of the Big Two in this Connacht final would definitely be massive, and especially to retain back-to-back titles.'
Roscommon XV v Mayo in the Connacth SFC final at Dr Hyde Park, Sunday, 2pm:
1 Geoffrey Claffey, 2 Seán McDermott, 3 Niall Carty, 4 Stephen Ormsby, 5 David Keenan, 6 Peter Domican (Capt.), 7 Donal Ward, 8 Michael Finneran, 9 Karol Mannion, 10 Senan O'Grady, 11 Kevin Higgins, 12 Cathal Cregg, 13 Conor Devaney, 14 Senan Kilbride, 15 Donal Shine.
Its good he knows his place in the food chain of connacht football ;)
Mayo team for Sunday,
) Robert Hennelly - Breaffy
2) Keith Higgins - Ballyhaunis
3) Alan Feeney - Castlebar Mitchels
4) Tom Cunniffe - Castlebar Mitchels
5) Richie Feeney - Castlebar Mitchels
6) Donal Vaughan - Ballinrobe
7) Trevor Mortimer - Shrule-Glencorrib
8) Aidan O'Shea - Breaffy
9) Seamus O'Shea - Breaffy
10) Kevin McLoughlin - Knockmore
11) Alan Dillon - Ballintubber (Captain)
12) Andy Moran - Ballaghaderreen
13) Cillian O'Connor - Ballintubber
14) Alan Freeman - Aghamore
15) Jason Doherty - Burrishoole
16) David Clarke - Ballina Stephenites
17) Ger Cafferkey - Ballina Stephenites
18) Dermot Geraghty - Shrule-Glencorrib
19) Chris Barrett - Belmullet
20) Lee Keegan - Westport
21) James Kilcullen - Ballaghaderreen
22) Ronan McGarrity - Ballina Stephenites
23) Peadar Gardiner - Crossmolina
24) Aidan Campbell - Swinford
25) Enda Varley - Garrymore
26) Mark Ronaldson - Shrule-Glencorrib
Quote from: stephenite on July 13, 2011, 01:14:24 PM
Poor auld Seamie, only out of nappies so he couldn't have deserved it - if he kept his mouth shut and his fists away from Brady's ribs that day he might have been left alone
Come off it! You are trying to infer a green 18 year kid in his first season was punching David Brady!!! And thus deserved the off the ball box he got in the face? Thats your justification? Bollox, O'Neill had been playing really well up to that and Brady had to do something to quieten him. It had feck all to do with Brady's ribs or hurt feelings.
Brady had a well earned reputation (and I mean that in a good way) as a teak tough physical player. I remember him coming on against Dublin and putting manners on Ciaran Whelan who had been lording it up to that in the middle in the AI semi final I think? He did not achieve that by simply out playing him or whispering in his lug.
Quote from: Ryano on July 13, 2011, 02:14:21 PM
Quote from: stephenite on July 13, 2011, 01:14:24 PM
Poor auld Seamie, only out of nappies so he couldn't have deserved it - if he kept his mouth shut and his fists away from Brady's ribs that day he might have been left alone
Come off it! You are trying to infer a green 18 year kid in his first season was punching David Brady!!! And thus deserved the off the ball box he got in the face? Thats your justification? Bollox, O'Neill had been playing really well up to that and Brady had to do something to quieten him. It had feck all to do with Brady's ribs or hurt feelings.
Brady had a well earned reputation (and I mean that in a good way) as a teak tough physical player. I remember him coming on against Dublin and putting manners on Ciaran Whelan who had been lording it up to that in the middle in the AI semi final I think? He did not achieve that by simply out playing him or whispering in his lug.
He put Whelan on his arse that day alright, and it was well deserved. Whelan had nearly taken the head off McGarrity in a dangerous and cowardly 'tackle'.
Anyway, same teams named by both Ros and Mayo. Will have to start looking at the match-ups now :)
Quote from: stephenite on July 13, 2011, 01:14:24 PM
Quote from: ross matt on July 13, 2011, 11:42:53 AM
not to mention current sports journalist of the year David Brady repeatedly punching an 18 year old seamie o'neill in the head.
Poor auld Seamie, only out of nappies so he couldn't have deserved it - if he kept his mouth shut and his fists away from Brady's ribs that day he might have been left alone
And true to form here comes David Brady's no 1 fan!!!!!!!!!!
Brady was never an angel but to portray Seamus O'Neill as a shy, callow eighteen-year-old is a laughable spin on things. Both of them lived by the sword.
Quote from: Tubberman on July 13, 2011, 11:32:08 AM
Quote from: ross4life on July 12, 2011, 11:23:36 PM
Cost ye the game good god almighty! Wrong man was sent off as it was Peter Burke that threw the punch. Noel Connelly is a first man in the Mayo media to tip Roscommon, all the others went for a easy Mayo win.
our own Willie Hegarty tipped Mayo.
I didn't think ye were soft enough to consider this a punch in Ros??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y86U8s-95Ik&feature=player_detailpage#t=297s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y86U8s-95Ik&feature=player_detailpage#t=297s)
Any punch thrown regardless of how hard or in Burke's case weak is a sending off & i'm sure when Keith Higgins lines up in match parade he'll be thinking to himself "how the fcuk did i escape a red v Galway"
As for the "unchanged teams" Horan has never picked the same team so i expect 1 or 2 changes before throw in & we have 2 or 3 doubts so i expect a few changes as well.
This game came to soon for David O'Gara which is a bad blow for us.
Quotei'm sure when Keith Higgins lines up in match parade he'll be thinking to himself "how the fcuk did i escape a red v Galway"
I'm sure he won't.
Quote from: ross4life on July 13, 2011, 03:09:12 PM
Any punch thrown regardless of how hard or in Burke's case weak is a sending off
You clearly haven't been at many GAA matches or have paid little attention if you were at them. Most players don't get sent off for soft punches or any punch to the body. A serious box to the face is another matter. Not saying this is right or wrong but that's how most GAA refs play it.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on July 13, 2011, 03:15:58 PM
Quote from: ross4life on July 13, 2011, 03:09:12 PM
Any punch thrown regardless of how hard or in Burke's case weak is a sending off
You clearly haven't been at many GAA matches or have paid little attention if you were at them. Most players don't get sent off for soft punches or any punch to the body. A serious box to the face is another matter. Not saying this is right or wrong but that's how most GAA refs play it.
All depends if the ref sees it & in 2001 he saw a punch thrown but sent off the wrong man, yes it was a weak shot & Frankie went down like a tons of bricks however rules are rules at the end of the day.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 13, 2011, 03:11:22 PM
Quotei'm sure when Keith Higgins lines up in match parade he'll be thinking to himself "how the fcuk did i escape a red v Galway"
I'm sure he won't.
In hindsight your probably right he'll have a clear conscience.
Any word on David OGara, is he fit enough for the bench? If he were starting it would be a better balanced team as
he a natural creater of chances
When you have the likes of Shine and Kilbride inside you need a playmaker to ensure they get quality ball.
The quality of ball to them in Carrick was woeful at times. The assist for Shines goal was a miskick at best.
Its something they need to get right on Sunday as been the underdog a high percentage of possession needs to be converted into scores
Prediction time:
I probably won't get a chance to post so here is my guess at the score and how the match will go. The forecast is for showery weather. Hopefully there won't be any wind.
With both sets of inside forwards doing well and both mid-fields doing well this game will come down to who has the best defense. I think Mayo will win this area. It's going to be a high scoring game with plenty of goals.
Mayo to sneak it 4 - 12 to 3 - 8.
Poor weather would suggest a low scoring game with plenty of mistakes. i think Mayo 1-11 Roscommon 0-9
Mayowestros 4 -15 rest of Ros 0-5 .
Mwr to beat Wexford in Qtr final by 12 or 13 points and.................................................. will meet Kerry in all Ireland Semi Final and no further comment necessary. ;D ;D
Quote from: Rossfan on July 13, 2011, 04:00:52 PM
Mayowestros 4 -15 rest of Ros 0-5 .
Mwr to beat Wexford in Qtr final by 12 or 13 points and.................................................. will meet Kerry in all Ireland Semi Final and no further comment necessary. ;D ;D
1996 repeated I guess with all your winkyfaces. ::)
Quote from: ross matt on July 13, 2011, 02:27:48 PM
Quote from: stephenite on July 13, 2011, 01:14:24 PM
Quote from: ross matt on July 13, 2011, 11:42:53 AM
not to mention current sports journalist of the year David Brady repeatedly punching an 18 year old seamie o'neill in the head.
Poor auld Seamie, only out of nappies so he couldn't have deserved it - if he kept his mouth shut and his fists away from Brady's ribs that day he might have been left alone
And true to form here comes David Brady's no 1 fan!!!!!!!!!!
Not quite, the original post was an attempt to portray one as the aggressor, when in fact the both of them have well documented history's of being tramps on the field when necessary, nothing wrong with that I might add.
Just trying to add a bit of balance
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 13, 2011, 04:32:59 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 13, 2011, 04:00:52 PM
Mayowestros 4 -15 rest of Ros 0-5 .
Mwr to beat Wexford in Qtr final by 12 or 13 points and.................................................. will meet Kerry in all Ireland Semi Final and no further comment necessary. ;D ;D
1996 repeated I guess with all your winkyfaces. ::)
Them is his sheep's faces, my friend.
They'll have pusses like these on them when we go home. >:( >:( >:( >:(
Quote from: stephenite on July 13, 2011, 11:00:33 PM
Quote from: ross matt on July 13, 2011, 02:27:48 PM
Quote from: stephenite on July 13, 2011, 01:14:24 PM
Quote from: ross matt on July 13, 2011, 11:42:53 AM
not to mention current sports journalist of the year David Brady repeatedly punching an 18 year old seamie o'neill in the head.
Poor auld Seamie, only out of nappies so he couldn't have deserved it - if he kept his mouth shut and his fists away from Brady's ribs that day he might have been left alone
And true to form here comes David Brady's no 1 fan!!!!!!!!!!
Not quite, the original post was an attempt to portray one as the aggressor, when in fact the both of them have well documented history's of being tramps on the field when necessary, nothing wrong with that I might add.
Just trying to add a bit of balance
Quite right Stephenite. A lesser man than DB could have gone down clutching his face and gotten Seamie wrongly sent off, after receiving a dig in the ribs.
Gone a bit quiet on here. Time to rattle a few more cages.
Seriously though a couple of things.
Barry Moran back in panel - but not listed in subs. No matter, he may still feature. If his form is good he could be the joker in the pack. He would be some handful to throw in against a smallish enough fb line and could dig out in midfield too. I for one welcome his return.
Over on stealers you get the impression that the Rossie think they may be on the cusp of something very good. Reminds me a bit of the herring chokers attitude coming into Castlebar in 98 and we all know what happened then. I hope I m bloody wrong but they might sense something. Uncanny sometimes how these things happen. Galway couldn t rent a crowd for 20 years and then in 98, 20,000 of them turn up like some sort of telepathy - a kind of Field Of Dreams thing. 'Build it and they will come'. I hope I m bloody wrong.
Somebody mentioned matchups earlier. My greatest concern would be how to deal with their ff line. To be honest I don t know if Ros play the 3 inside or not? While all the talk will be about Senan Kilbride and Donie Shine I believe Devaney could be a handful. A few years ago in U21 in Charlestown we had to put Kevin Mcloughlin back on him to quieten him. We don t have as good a man marker in the fb line as Mcl. Feeney should do ok with Kilbride and taking size into consideration you would expect Cunniffe on Shine but I suspect Higgins will pick up Shine and be in his face. That would leave Devaney v Cunniffe. While Tom has pace he can play fast and loose and Devaney runs into great positions. It s a worry.
It would be unforgivable if we lost this game on freetaking. Everybody knows that we cannot score our own but equally concerning we give them away - literally - without a thought. A few conceded to Galway in first half ( and kicked by Bane) were so lazy and unnecessary it was maddening. There we were dominating the game and Galway stay in it with frees from one attack to our 3/4. Crazy stuff.
Midnight, not a sound from the pavement
Has the moon lost her memory, she is smiling alone
In the lamplight, the withered leaves, collected my fee
And the wind begins to moan
Memory, all alone in the moonlight
I can smile at the old days, it was beautiful then
I remember the time I knew what happiness was
Let the memory live again
Daylight, I must wait for the sunrise
I must think of a new life, and I mustn't give in
When the dawn comes, tonight will be a memory, too
And a new day will begin
Burnt out ends of smoky days, the stale cold smell of morning
The street lamp dies, another night is over, another day is dawning
Touch me, it's so easy to leave me, all alone with the memory of my day in the sun
If you touch me, you'll understand what happiness is
Look a new day, has begun
Memory, all alone in the moonlight
I can smile at the old days, it was beautiful then
I remember the time I knew what happiness was
Let the memory live again
Let The Memory Live Again - WE ARE ROS.
Quote from: ross4life on July 14, 2011, 12:27:36 AM
Midnight, not a sound from the pavement
Has the moon lost her memory, she is smiling alone
In the lamplight, the withered leaves, collected my fee
And the wind begins to moan
Memory, all alone in the moonlight
I can smile at the old days, it was beautiful then
I remember the time I knew what happiness was
Let the memory live again
Daylight, I must wait for the sunrise
I must think of a new life, and I mustn't give in
When the dawn comes, tonight will be a memory, too
And a new day will begin
Burnt out ends of smoky days, the stale cold smell of morning
The street lamp dies, another night is over, another day is dawning
Touch me, it's so easy to leave me, all alone with the memory of my day in the sun
If you touch me, you'll understand what happiness is
Look a new day, has begun
Memory, all alone in the moonlight
I can smile at the old days, it was beautiful then
I remember the time I knew what happiness was
Let the memory live again
Let The Memory Live Again - WE ARE ROS.
Ah ffs, that s just cat altogether.
You know your musicals moysider ;) We don't play 3 inside Devaney plays a roaming role, speaking of that U21 game Conor didn't come on until the 2nd half & caused your back line all types of problems but ultimately it was his mistake at the end that led to the lucky goal ye got to level the game.
Will the Athlone road by the Hyde be open to traffic coming from the circular road on Sunday lads? Hitting for Dublin after the match. Arriving about 1pm-ish...depending on the level of ale consumed on Saturday night :D
Quote from: moysider on July 14, 2011, 12:27:12 AM
Gone a bit quiet on here. Time to rattle a few more cages.
Seriously though a couple of things.
Barry Moran back in panel - but not listed in subs. No matter, he may still feature. If his form is good he could be the joker in the pack. He would be some handful to throw in against a smallish enough fb line and could dig out in midfield too. I for one welcome his return.
Joker in the pack? I dont know Moy. When I heard Barry Moran was back at training I thought it could have been to get our full back line ready for big men like they will be facing against Roscommon in the form of Shine and Kilbride. A shrewd move I thought.
But long term, I cant imagine Moran being much of an improvement on anything we have seen from him in the years that he has being involved at senior level. Whatever his recent club form is like, what sticks out in my mind is that he failed to score in the county final last year playing at full forward which is not a nice stat. Best of luck to him and I hope he proves me wrong.
But, does this mean that now there is 6 Castlebar Mitchels players on the county panel at the minute? The same team Ballintubber walloped in the league by 11 or 12 points? I cant really fathom that, if true. 3 of that 6 would be good enough and are starting the next day, I wouldnt be convinced about the rest at all, but 6 seems a lot from Mitchels.
Quote from: moysider on July 14, 2011, 12:27:12 AM
Somebody mentioned matchups earlier. My greatest concern would be how to deal with their ff line. To be honest I don t know if Ros play the 3 inside or not? While all the talk will be about Senan Kilbride and Donie Shine I believe Devaney could be a handful. A few years ago in U21 in Charlestown we had to put Kevin Mcloughlin back on him to quieten him. We don t have as good a man marker in the fb line as Mcl. Feeney should do ok with Kilbride and taking size into consideration you would expect Cunniffe on Shine but I suspect Higgins will pick up Shine and be in his face. That would leave Devaney v Cunniffe. While Tom has pace he can play fast and loose and Devaney runs into great positions. It s a worry.
It would be unforgivable if we lost this game on freetaking. Everybody knows that we cannot score our own but equally concerning we give them away - literally - without a thought. A few conceded to Galway in first half ( and kicked by Bane) were so lazy and unnecessary it was maddening. There we were dominating the game and Galway stay in it with frees from one attack to our 3/4. Crazy stuff.
Not to mention Cathal Cregg Moy who is very highly rated. Our defence will have its work cut out in keeping Kilbride, Shine, Devaney and Cregg quiet. A lot will depend on the day.
I wouldnt be as worried about the frees as thats something that should have been worked on and worked on since the Galway game. It could have been down to confidence since the London game that things went so bad but hopefully we will see an improvement the next day.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 13, 2011, 11:37:28 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 13, 2011, 04:32:59 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 13, 2011, 04:00:52 PM
Mayowestros 4 -15 rest of Ros 0-5 .
Mwr to beat Wexford in Qtr final by 12 or 13 points and.................................................. will meet Kerry in all Ireland Semi Final and no further comment necessary. ;D ;D
1996 repeated I guess with all your winkyfaces. ::)
Not even I would dare to remind ye of 1996 the year of the absolute double fcuk up ye made against Meath. ;D ;D ;D ;D
It's one thing slaggin ye about 04 and 06 but 96 .... now there's a step too far :'( :'( :'( :-*
Quote from: Rossfan on July 14, 2011, 10:38:25 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 13, 2011, 11:37:28 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 13, 2011, 04:32:59 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 13, 2011, 04:00:52 PM
Mayowestros 4 -15 rest of Ros 0-5 .
Mwr to beat Wexford in Qtr final by 12 or 13 points and.................................................. will meet Kerry in all Ireland Semi Final and no further comment necessary. ;D ;D
1996 repeated I guess with all your winkyfaces. ::)
Not even I would dare to remind ye of 1996 the year of the absolute double fcuk up ye made against Meath. ;D ;D ;D ;D
It's one thing slaggin ye about 04 and 06 but 96 .... now there's a step too far :'( :'( :'( :-*
You're hardly speaking from a position of authority there, are you? Remind me, when was the last time a Ros senior team won a Championship match in Croke Park? :)
Quote from: ballinaman on July 14, 2011, 09:30:12 AM
Will the Athlone road by the Hyde be open to traffic coming from the circular road on Sunday lads? Hitting for Dublin after the match. Arriving about 1pm-ish...depending on the level of ale consumed on Saturday night :D
The Athlone road will be very busy before and after the game. Usually closed to traffic for 30 mins and then traffic jams (though nothing compared to a bad day in castlebar).
my advice would be to make your way around the town (not that hard to do - want a map?) and park out the Athlone road. also, remember with Ros in the minor final the Ros crowd will arrive early on sunday.
Quote from: neilthemac on July 14, 2011, 11:16:35 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on July 14, 2011, 09:30:12 AM
Will the Athlone road by the Hyde be open to traffic coming from the circular road on Sunday lads? Hitting for Dublin after the match. Arriving about 1pm-ish...depending on the level of ale consumed on Saturday night :D
The Athlone road will be very busy before and after the game. Usually closed to traffic for 30 mins and then traffic jams (though nothing compared to a bad day in castlebar).
my advice would be to make your way around the town (not that hard to do - want a map?) and park out the Athlone road. also, remember with Ros in the minor final the Ros crowd will arrive early on sunday.
Sound for the heads up. So head out through Acres and Creevyquin,Carrowmore before hitting the Athlone road ya?
Quote from: neilthemac on July 14, 2011, 11:16:35 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on July 14, 2011, 09:30:12 AM
Will the Athlone road by the Hyde be open to traffic coming from the circular road on Sunday lads? Hitting for Dublin after the match. Arriving about 1pm-ish...depending on the level of ale consumed on Saturday night :D
The Athlone road will be very busy before and after the game. Usually closed to traffic for 30 mins and then traffic jams (though nothing compared to a bad day in castlebar).
my advice would be to make your way around the town (not that hard to do - want a map?) and park out the Athlone road. also, remember with Ros in the minor final the Ros crowd will arrive early on sunday.
I'll be heading down from Dublin on Sunday morning - I wonder would I be better off going via Lanesborough? Might be less traffic than the Athlone Rd, what you reckon?
Good night last night with the two Dublin based supporters clubs getting together. Well organised, well attended despite the recession and good craic.
Some of the questions were head wreckers.
A few notables from here won prizes for Mayo. Any of the Ros lads there?
Quote from: muppet on July 14, 2011, 11:49:00 AM
Good night last night with the two Dublin based supporters clubs getting together. Well organised, well attended despite the recession and good craic.
Some of the questions were head wreckers.
A few notables from here won prizes for Mayo. Any of the Ros lads there?
Monasterevin lost it for our team!
Was a good night, much bigger crowd that I was expecting. JOM showed his face as well and said a few words. Unsurprisingly,he sait on the fence until pushed off it - he reluctantly went for a narrow Mayo win.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 14, 2011, 10:38:25 AM
Not even I would dare to remind ye of 1996 the year of the absolute double fcuk up ye made against Meath. ;D ;D ;D ;D
It's one thing slaggin ye about 04 and 06 but 96 .... now there's a step too far :'( :'( :'( :-*
Someone's pulled the wool over yer eyes there, horse! (or should that be sheep??)
That was Frrandeelin you replied to and, like yerself, he is living testimony to the fact that democracy is alive and well on this board. ;D
If that's yer standard of observation, ye might be better off headin' for Castlerea and not Roscommon on Sunday!
PS. Hope yer forwards are more accurate on Sunday or they won't give us a game at all, at all.
Some craic with the auction of signed county jerseys.
The Ros jersey went for €70.
The plot was lost on the Mayo jersey auction and it went for €220 in the end I think.
Well done to all involved.
Quote from: muppet on July 14, 2011, 11:49:00 AM
Some of the questions were head wreckers.
Any good GAA trivia?
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on July 14, 2011, 12:04:04 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 14, 2011, 11:49:00 AM
Some of the questions were head wreckers.
Any good GAA trivia?
Was a general knowledge quiz really, I was expecting more GAA questions but there was a good mix of questions.
The only GAA question I remember being asked was easy enough:
Which current Roscommon player's father played for both Mayo and Roscommon?
Then there were a few more for spot prizes:
How many Connacht titles did Mayo win in the 70s?
How many Connacht titles did Ros win in the 80s?
What years were the last AI wins for Mayo and Ros?
Quote of the night came from some Ros supporter on the other side of the room to me. Some Mayo fella got one of the questions right, and he said something like "Sure why wouldn't I, Enda Kenny was my teacher".
Ros fella shouts out "He should have f*cking stuck at the teaching!". Laughter all round. It's the worst the worst that's said about him on Sunday, he'll be happy enough :D
Quote from: Tubberman on July 14, 2011, 11:29:07 AM
Quote from: neilthemac on July 14, 2011, 11:16:35 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on July 14, 2011, 09:30:12 AM
Will the Athlone road by the Hyde be open to traffic coming from the circular road on Sunday lads? Hitting for Dublin after the match. Arriving about 1pm-ish...depending on the level of ale consumed on Saturday night :D
The Athlone road will be very busy before and after the game. Usually closed to traffic for 30 mins and then traffic jams (though nothing compared to a bad day in castlebar).
my advice would be to make your way around the town (not that hard to do - want a map?) and park out the Athlone road. also, remember with Ros in the minor final the Ros crowd will arrive early on sunday.
I'll be heading down from Dublin on Sunday morning - I wonder would I be better off going via Lanesborough? Might be less traffic than the Athlone Rd, what you reckon?
yes. though a lot of traffic will be turning onto the road in ballyleague from Tamonbarry direction.
Ballinaman - if I wanted to get around the town/hyde I would try to get out onto the Galway road (by turning off the N60) cut across on the Ballinagard road, the golf links road and across to the Athlone Road.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 14, 2011, 11:58:09 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 14, 2011, 10:38:25 AM
Not even I would dare to remind ye of 1996 the year of the absolute double fcuk up ye made against Meath. ;D ;D ;D ;D
It's one thing slaggin ye about 04 and 06 but 96 .... now there's a step too far :'( :'( :'( :-*
Someone's pulled the wool over yer eyes there, horse! (or should that be sheep??)
That was Frrandeelin you replied to and, like yerself, he is living testimony to the fact that democracy is alive and well on this board. ;D
If that's yer standard of observation, ye might be better off headin' for Castlerea and not Roscommon on Sunday!
PS. Hope yer forwards are more accurate on Sunday or they won't give us a game at all, at all.
Sure everyone knows we won't give ye a game.
How could we - up against such as ye ?
After all ye get to All Ireland Senior finals ( Minor ones too ... but ye seem to have a bit of trouble then unlike ye're neighbours ;D) more often than we do and sure that's what's important .
I see The Mayo News have their podcast up, but they've linked the wrong URL.
For those who are interested, you can access it here: http://audio.mayonews.ie/2011/sport/07_jul/footballpodcast2011_4.mp3 (http://audio.mayonews.ie/2011/sport/07_jul/footballpodcast2011_4.mp3)
And maybe if someone from The Mayo News is snooping, they might update the link :P
Horan on freetaking. Very interesting.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/horan-content-to-place-free-duties-at-goalkeepers-feet-2821103.html
Independent.ie
Horan content to place free duties at goalkeeper's feet
By Cian Murphy
Thursday July 14 2011
JAMES Horan has denied there is a free-taking crisis in Mayo, and says goalkeepers taking shots from placed kicks is destined to become the norm in Gaelic football.
The Mayo senior team manager has revealed that they have used up to five different players in free-taking practice in advance of Sunday's Connacht final with Roscommon at Hyde Park.
They had four different free-takers in their close shave with London in the first round and in the semi-final win against Galway, Horan brought up his goalkeeper Robert Hennelly to convert a long-distance free and a '45' on another day when Mayo's free-taking form could be described as patchy.
With Conor Mortimer absent, the revolving door of placed kickers has focused attention on Mayo's dead-ball options, but the unflappable Horan insists there is no issue and is happy to see the burden shared.
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"We'd a lot of free-takers and there's been a lot made about that, but there's a reason and a cause for everything," he said.
"Against London, Alan Dillon, our first-choice free-taker, was concussed; our second free-taker, Alan Freeman, had an injection in his foot at half-time; and our third, Aidan Campbell, was taken off; so it was just one of those games.
"Against Galway we weren't great, but players are working hard and we have four or five guys kicking frees every day, and kicking a certain amount of balls every day trying to get the routine and technique right," he explained.
One of the novel features of the football championship so far has been the sight of goalkeepers coming forward to kick '45s'.
Dublin were the first high-profile team to start the experiment last year with Stephen Cluxton coming upfield to strike them and it became standard practice in their march to this year's Leinster crown -- the Parnells clubman scored six points in three games.
In the Connacht semi-final, Galway's Adrian Faherty and Mayo's Robert Hennelly were brought upfield to make scoring attempts, with Faherty again heavily involved in Galway's free-taking against Meath last weekend.
Though the sight of hurling 'keepers coming up to strike penalties is a regular occurrence, the policy of football goalies coming out to hit '45s' and long-distance frees has not gone down well with the purists. But for Horan (below), it is merely part of football's evolutionary process and a direct result of the fact that modern players are encouraged to speed up the game by kicking frees from their hands rather than off the ground. This has led to a decrease in accuracy among outfield players taking placed kicks off the deck.
"You don't have as many guys kicking off the ground as you used to since the rule was changed and I think that's just an evolutionary thing about where the game is. Your goalkeeper is still the only guy who has to kick it off the ground," explained Horan, who in his own Mayo days was a free-taker along with Maurice Sheridan.
"It doesn't matter who scores. What you are looking at doing is getting your best long-distance free-taker taking your long-distance frees and if that's the goalie then so be it."
The free-taking is destined to remain a talking point for Mayo, especially with Roscommon boasting a dead-ball king in Donie Shine, who kicked an injury-time free to win the Connacht final against Sligo last summer.
Mayo have made life difficult for themselves against London and Galway and Horan isn't expecting anything easy on Sunday.
He has built a new team and tried to address confidence levels that were left fragile after last year -- but he is confident Mayo are progressing.
"Bit by bit, we are getting there and when we get things right we'll be very competitive," he added.
- Cian Murphy
Quote from: neilthemac on July 14, 2011, 11:16:35 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on July 14, 2011, 09:30:12 AM
Will the Athlone road by the Hyde be open to traffic coming from the circular road on Sunday lads? Hitting for Dublin after the match. Arriving about 1pm-ish...depending on the level of ale consumed on Saturday night :D
The Athlone road will be very busy before and after the game. Usually closed to traffic for 30 mins and then traffic jams (though nothing compared to a bad day in castlebar).
my advice would be to make your way around the town (not that hard to do - want a map?) and park out the Athlone road. also, remember with Ros in the minor final the Ros crowd will arrive early on sunday.
Coming from Ballina on the Tulsk to Roscommon road, take a left turn about 4 miles from Roscommon just at the start of a section where the road improves dramatically. After about 2/3 miles on this you'll come to the Longford/Ros road - go straight through it and continue on for another about 3 miles where you will come out on to Athlone/Ros road about 4 miles from the pitch. Even if you arived 10 minutes before throw-in you'd still get the car within a mile of the pitch.... Athlone road is always the easiest to access the pitch (having travelled to full houses in the Hyde from all major access routes)
Quote from: Tubberman on July 14, 2011, 11:53:58 AM
Quote from: muppet on July 14, 2011, 11:49:00 AM
Good night last night with the two Dublin based supporters clubs getting together. Well organised, well attended despite the recession and good craic.
Some of the questions were head wreckers.
A few notables from here won prizes for Mayo. Any of the Ros lads there?
Monasterevin lost it for our team!
Was a good night, much bigger crowd that I was expecting. JOM showed his face as well and said a few words. Unsurprisingly,he sait on the fence until pushed off it - he reluctantly went for a narrow Mayo win.
Ah yes the one and only great JOM. >:(
Anyway, what time would I need to be up at leaving Sligo on Sunday morning? I googled it but it said 1 hr and 11 minutes, but with the large volumes of traffic from Boyle onwards, I suppose I'll be damn lucky to make it in 2 hrs and 11 minutes...
I heard from a fella with garda friends that enda will definitely be at the match.
He will be leading the teams around in the parade and singing the national anthem.
ok, the second sentence is made up, but he will be at the match.
He'd love singing 'Sinne Fianna Fáil alright'.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 14, 2011, 07:51:05 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on July 14, 2011, 11:53:58 AM
Quote from: muppet on July 14, 2011, 11:49:00 AM
Good night last night with the two Dublin based supporters clubs getting together. Well organised, well attended despite the recession and good craic.
Some of the questions were head wreckers.
A few notables from here won prizes for Mayo. Any of the Ros lads there?
Monasterevin lost it for our team!
Was a good night, much bigger crowd that I was expecting. JOM showed his face as well and said a few words. Unsurprisingly,he sait on the fence until pushed off it - he reluctantly went for a narrow Mayo win.
Ah yes the one and only great JOM. >:(
Anyway, what time would I need to be up at leaving Sligo on Sunday morning? I googled it but it said 1 hr and 11 minutes, but with the large volumes of traffic from Boyle onwards, I suppose I'll be damn lucky to make it in 2 hrs and 11 minutes...
Boyle town centre and Tulsk are the real problems there
lets hope the Gardai have the brains to be in Tulsk on point duty (though they've neglected to do this in the past for games)
Quote from: Tubberman on July 14, 2011, 07:56:52 PM
I heard from a fella with garda friends that enda will definitely be at the match.
He will be leading the teams around in the parade and singing the national anthem.
ok, the second sentence is made up, but he will be at the match.
Well you Mayo folks sure are thick-skinned but i suppose he had little choice after what Ming said about him.
SportsNewsIRELAND podcast 15/07/11
On today's show, Colm Daly talks British open golf with ryder cup hero, christy o connor jr and provincial football finals with all ireland winners John O Mahony from Mayo and Declan Bonner from Donegal.
http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/video/sportsnewsireland-podcast-150711/
Quote from: ross4life on July 15, 2011, 12:46:38 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on July 14, 2011, 07:56:52 PM
I heard from a fella with garda friends that enda will definitely be at the match.
He will be leading the teams around in the parade and singing the national anthem.
ok, the second sentence is made up, but he will be at the match.
Well you Mayo folks sure are thick-skinned but i suppose he had little choice after what Ming said about him.
I think you overestimate the relevance of Ming and his Miss Piggy loving colleagues.
In a hung Dáil he would be relevent but right now he is as powerful as Michael Healy-Rae.
Things must be looking up for Mayo - Liam Hayes has forecast a 'relatively easy win for Roscommon' (last night's 'Off The Ball' on Newstalk). Not only that, but Mayo's record over the last 25 years makes them a 'failed entity' according to Liameen. In fact, he doesn't see any evidence as to why Mayo should be considered one of the big two in Connaught!!!
Fortunately Eugene McGee was on hand to talk some sense. Although he went for a Ros win too.
Ros may win, but I don't see it being 'relatively easy'...
Quote from: ross4life on July 15, 2011, 12:46:38 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on July 14, 2011, 07:56:52 PM
I heard from a fella with garda friends that enda will definitely be at the match.
He will be leading the teams around in the parade and singing the national anthem.
ok, the second sentence is made up, but he will be at the match.
Well you Mayo folks sure are thick-skinned but i suppose he had little choice after what Ming said about him.
I wouldn't be Enda's biggest fan but I seriously doubt if he decides where he goes or doesn't go on what Luke has to say about him.
Quote from: HowAreYeGettinOn on July 15, 2011, 11:59:10 AM
Things must be looking up for Mayo - Liam Hayes has forecast a 'relatively easy win for Roscommon' (last night's 'Off The Ball' on Newstalk). Not only that, but Mayo's record over the last 25 years makes them a 'failed entity' according to Liameen. In fact, he doesn't see any evidence as to why Mayo should be considered one of the big two in Connaught!!!
Fortunately Eugene McGee was on hand to talk some sense. Although he went for a Ros win too.
Ros may win, but I don't see it being 'relatively easy'...
God I can't stand that bollix. He dedicates his summer to having a swipe at Mayo football every year.
Here's my own tuppence worth as I may not get near the keyboard till Monday again. (Hurray says ye! ;D)
I do think that the forwards of both teams will have too much firepower for the defenders. I'm not comfortable with 3 of the 6 Mayo defenders, Vaughan, Cunniffe and T. Mortimer. We need a huge performance around the middle section of the field and we will need our forwards tracking back a good bit I feel. The sweeper system may be used if McLoughlin is told to do so. Shine and Kilbride (and Cregg and Casey too) will need some stopping.
However Mayo's forwards may take some stopping if good ball is given into them as well. Dillon when he is on song can be brilliant, let's hope he can produce the goods on Sunday. Andy Moran and himself will need to get a lot of the so called dirty ball around midfield. I have a slight hunch that our midfield is slightly better than Roscommon's. Afterall, Finneran cannot improve to the extent that he has gone from an extremely poor - in my view let it be said - midfielder to a great one in a year. I think the two O'Sheas will test him out, so will McGarrity if he enters the fray.
It's a very hard one to call as Leitri didn't push Ros at all the last day they played and that was 5 weeks ago now at this stage. Whereas Galway 'did a Leitrim' in the second half and didn't bother turning up at all. Frig it, I'll be slated if I go for any other way except my own, so I'll give a hesitant vote to Mayo. It could be another 1 point margin. At least the loser will have a 13 day turn around.
Maigh Eo abú.
Quote from: ballinaman on July 15, 2011, 12:35:50 PM
Quote from: HowAreYeGettinOn on July 15, 2011, 11:59:10 AM
Things must be looking up for Mayo - Liam Hayes has forecast a 'relatively easy win for Roscommon' (last night's 'Off The Ball' on Newstalk). Not only that, but Mayo's record over the last 25 years makes them a 'failed entity' according to Liameen. In fact, he doesn't see any evidence as to why Mayo should be considered one of the big two in Connaught!!!
Fortunately Eugene McGee was on hand to talk some sense. Although he went for a Ros win too.
Ros may win, but I don't see it being 'relatively easy'...
God I can't stand that bollix. He dedicates his summer to having a swipe at Mayo football every year.
Maybe. And I m wondering was our record over previous 25 any better. True Hayes has had a problem with Mayo since his playing days and was outplayed by TJ any time they met and Denis K straightened his jib in a challenge match once. McGee has never rated us either and that s fine by me. On the other hand in 04 he had Roscommon the 'pin-up boys' of football.
The reality is these boys pretty much reflect the general attitude out there to Mayo football ie. chokers, failures and losers. Time we started earning some respect and we could start on Sunday by winning this one. Only thing to do is ram their predictions down their throats. Of course they would have no problem explaining it all away by saying the opposition were disappointingly poor and blah blah and blah. The get out clause of all these journeymen hacks - and yeah I m including McGee in that.
Interesting preview from former Roscommon manager John Maughan in the Mayo Advertiser:
http://www.advertiser.ie/mayo/article/41865/confidence-in-roscommon-but-its-mayo-for-me
Confidence in Roscommon, but it's Mayo for me
MAYO ADVERTISER, JULY 15, 2011.
I have been chatting to a few of my Roscommon friends over recent days and they appear very confident about their team's chances this Sunday. I can understand why they might feel that way. Former midfielder and current team manager Fergal O' Donnell has his team putting in good performances these days. I have heard stories of training camps and twice daily sessions being conducted, so it would appear that no stone is being left unturned as he pushes and strives for success. They are extremely fit and well drilled and are a formidable side. In their two games played in this year's championship they played superbly. OK, the quality of the opposition i.e. New York and Leitrim wouldn't be ranked very highly in the current ratings of championship contenders, but other teams have struggled in New York and Leitrim have always proved to be formidable opposition in Carrick on Shannon.
I was there to witness the latter performance and was impressed with the confidence and the cohesiveness of the current Connacht champions. They are a much better side than last year. Their game plan is simple. Get the ball as quickly as possible into their big men in the full forward line. Senan Kilbride is the more talented in my opinion despite the fact that Donie Shine commands most of the headlines. Kilbride, you might recall, was brilliant for his club side in this year's All Ireland Club final and also for his county team in their opening game of the championship. This guy can play, folks and if he is allowed to dominate then a Mayo success will prove difficult. A lot depends on the quality of ball coming in to him. I would be inclined to get an extra defender into his zone any time he is in possession. Shine on the other hand needs a little more room in which to manufacture a score but, as he proved against Leitrim, he has an eye for goal. On his day he is also lethal from frees, so discipline, also, will be paramount in this sector. Cathal Cregg on the half forward line is a player I have huge regard for. He is exceptionally talented, very quick and always looks to take on his man. When Roscommon looked a beaten side in the Division Four final a few months ago, Cregg was moved into the full forward line and he almost single handily dragged his team back into contention with a few terrific scores. Mayo must be aware that he might not play the entire seventy minutes in the half forward line where he is currently selected. He cannot be allowed to run at Mayo's defence and suck frees as this could also prove fatal from a Mayo point of view. Karl Mannion who lines out at midfield was a huge Mayo fan as a young fella as his dad is a Mayo man. That fact will be far from his mind on Sunday. Both he and the towering Michael Finneran are having a superb championship so far this season. However I expect that the Mayo pairing will be better than these two when push comes to shove on Sunday.
Seamus O' Shea was excellent against Galway and I see no reason why he cannot reproduce a similar performance come Sunday. Not wanting to be outshone by his older sibling I suspect the younger brother will put in a big shift. Up front Mayo needs a more consistent performance from all six to win a Connacht final. There is undoubtedly big pressure on those playing in their first Connacht senior final and with four in the forward line up; seasoned campaigners Andy Moran and Alan Dillon will once again carry the burden of providing the leadership and guile up front. I am quite surprised that the towering Barry Moran isn't to be carried as a sub for Sunday's game. I believe he was recalled for the trial match last weekend and, from reports, did well. The Roscommon full back line are fairly small and he would have provided an ideal option as a big target man on the edge of the square if things weren't going according to plan.
All the pressure of this final is on Roscommon and it will be interesting to see if they crack under it. I think Mayo are an improving side and will have garnered huge confidence from beating their old rivals Galway. It's Mayo for me by a couple of points.
The Windy City
I was in Chicago last weekend. I was tuned to RTE Radio 1 for most of Saturday afternoon listening to the matches from Ireland. However I was anxious to see the Leinster final on TV on Sunday. I was up at the crack of dawn and made my way to Gaelic Park for the 8am throw in. I recall my last visit to the venue about twenty years ago to see a 'live' match when there was barely standing room. Not so last Sunday. At 8am there were approximately twenty enthusiastic GAA heads sitting in front of the big screen. I met George Gannon who is 95 years of age. He proudly informed me that he had played against the "Mortimer's grandfather" years ago. George drives to Gaelic Park to see most games throughout the summer and was full of questions regarding Mayo's potential. He was well pleased when I suggested we would beat the Rossies this Sunday. We sat impatiently for the live feed but by 8.15am realised there was a problem. Most decided to stick it out but I scampered off down the road looking for an Irish pub showing the match. I arrived at Cullen's pub minutes before half time. There was a bigger crowd here but still far from a full house. I didn't get too excited watching the match as it was a poor game. The Dubs are slipping out of form at the wrong time of the year. It seems to me that several players are looking over their shoulder waiting for the signal to be hauled ashore. Consequently many of the Dublin players are playing without confidence and it now seems that manager Pat Gilroy doesn't know what his best fifteen is. In fact he has too many players at his disposal. Wicklow by contrast have about sixteen or seventeen players and are playing out of their skins. With all due respect Wicklow will not win this years' All-Ireland but they have brightened up the lives of Wicklow fans with yet another year of high drama. The back door has been kind to them and I think their luck might just continue for another few weeks.
I returned to Gaelic Park in the afternoon to watch a few more live matches. The guys in the bar there were able to tell me that a telecommunications crew working in the area had inadvertently snipped the line carrying the signal for the match! I don't think those guys were invited in for a cold one! I stayed for a few hours and chatted to a few of the lads who were playing matches throughout the afternoon. Most of the young fellas that I spoke to were finding it difficult to find work. Some were considering moving on to pastures new in the hope of finding employment before returning home in a few weeks time. Tough times in Chicago too.
Well, Enda won't be attending - that's the end of that sideshow.
It's probably best all round, now all the attention can be on the match itself.
http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/kenny-to-swerve-connacht-final-512950.html (http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/kenny-to-swerve-connacht-final-512950.html)
Taoiseach Enda Kenny will not be attending the Connacht SFC final between his native Mayo and Roscommon this weekend.
It had been suggested that Mr Kenny may not receive a warm welcome if he attended the game in light of the closure of the A&E department at Roscommon County Hospital this week.
However Mr. Kenny will instead be visiting his children in the Gaeltacht for a "family event".
He told Galway Bay FM that he only attends games to "enjoy them".
"Family first and sport second," Mr Kenny said.
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Quote from: Tubberman on July 14, 2011, 07:56:52 PM
I heard from a fella with garda friends that enda will definitely be at the match.
He will be leading the teams around in the parade and singing the national anthem.
ok, the second sentence is made up, but he will be at the match.
Well you Mayo folks sure are thick-skinned but i suppose he had little choice after what Ming said about him.
Roscommon TD laid down the gauntlet to Enda Kenny, arguing that he should not stay away. "It would say a lot about his feelings on the issue if he doesn't come to the match," Luke 'Ming' Flanagan told The Mayo News last night (Monday). "What would that say about his stance? It would tell me that he is 100 per cent aware of the betrayal he has perpetrated on the people of Roscommon. What would it say about the Taoiseach of this country if felt he could not attend a GAA game?"
If Mr Kenny does go, he will not only face demonstrators, but also a strong symbol of their grievance, said Deputy Flanigan. "All that is between Hyde Park and the hospital is the graveyard and people can draw any amount of conclusions from that. Will it be his political graveyard?
TBH well said by Ming.
Quote from: HowAreYeGettinOn on July 15, 2011, 11:59:10 AM
Things must be looking up for Mayo - Liam Hayes has forecast a 'relatively easy win for Roscommon' (last night's 'Off The Ball' on Newstalk). Not only that, but Mayo's record over the last 25 years makes them a 'failed entity' according to Liameen. In fact, he doesn't see any evidence as to why Mayo should be considered one of the big two in Connaught!!!
Fortunately Eugene McGee was on hand to talk some sense. Although he went for a Ros win too.
Ros may win, but I don't see it being 'relatively easy'...
Liam is a bit of a "failed entity" himself when it comes to match analysis. Mayo should feel honoured... Kerry are the other side he frequently targets.
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Quote from: ross4life on July 15, 2011, 12:46:38 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on July 14, 2011, 07:56:52 PM
I heard from a fella with garda friends that enda will definitely be at the match.
He will be leading the teams around in the parade and singing the national anthem.
ok, the second sentence is made up, but he will be at the match.
Well you Mayo folks sure are thick-skinned but i suppose he had little choice after what Ming said about him.
Roscommon TD laid down the gauntlet to Enda Kenny, arguing that he should not stay away. "It would say a lot about his feelings on the issue if he doesn't come to the match," Luke 'Ming' Flanagan told The Mayo News last night (Monday). "What would that say about his stance? It would tell me that he is 100 per cent aware of the betrayal he has perpetrated on the people of Roscommon. What would it say about the Taoiseach of this country if felt he could not attend a GAA game?"
If Mr Kenny does go, he will not only face demonstrators, but also a strong symbol of their grievance, said Deputy Flanigan. "All that is between Hyde Park and the hospital is the graveyard and people can draw any amount of conclusions from that. Will it be his political graveyard?
TBH well said by Ming.
I dont agree. We cant have it both ways. Most Roscommon people who are incensed over his handling of the hospital situation would be further provoked to see him in the Hyde supporting Mayo on Sunday. As Tubberman says all the atttention will be on tha match now and thats as it should be.
Quote from: ballinaman on July 15, 2011, 12:35:50 PM
Quote from: HowAreYeGettinOn on July 15, 2011, 11:59:10 AM
Things must be looking up for Mayo - Liam Hayes has forecast a 'relatively easy win for Roscommon' (last night's 'Off The Ball' on Newstalk). Not only that, but Mayo's record over the last 25 years makes them a 'failed entity' according to Liameen. In fact, he doesn't see any evidence as to why Mayo should be considered one of the big two in Connaught!!!
Fortunately Eugene McGee was on hand to talk some sense. Although he went for a Ros win too.
Ros may win, but I don't see it being 'relatively easy'...
God I can't stand that bollix. He dedicates his summer to having a swipe at Mayo football every year.
i used to feel the same way but then i just stopped reading the shite he wrote and stopped listening to him and guess what it worked, He hasn't a clue and comes across as a very bitter person
Yes for all concerned it's best Enda Kenny is not attending but i wonder who will get the honours of painting a yellow stripe down his back ;)
Quote from: ross matt on July 15, 2011, 02:26:01 PM
Quote from: HowAreYeGettinOn on July 15, 2011, 11:59:10 AM
Things must be looking up for Mayo - Liam Hayes has forecast a 'relatively easy win for Roscommon' (last night's 'Off The Ball' on Newstalk). Not only that, but Mayo's record over the last 25 years makes them a 'failed entity' according to Liameen. In fact, he doesn't see any evidence as to why Mayo should be considered one of the big two in Connaught!!!
Fortunately Eugene McGee was on hand to talk some sense. Although he went for a Ros win too.
Ros may win, but I don't see it being 'relatively easy'...
Liam is a bit of a "failed entity" himself when it comes to match analysis. Mayo should feel honoured... Kerry are the other side he frequently targets.
yes, heard liam on the radio with liam mchale a few weeks back. Liam h was saying that football should be about having 15 lads on the pitch being big enough to stand up and see a game home and none of this crack of bringing on subs or needing a panel. this is the same hayes who castigated Micko on TV3 when his wicklow side went 5 or 6 games unchanged and without using a sub. I think he call him a stubborn old goat who has alienated half his panel. i know he is suffering from illness but by god he's full of the brown. Entertaining when he's talking about other teams though!
My best guess.
http://shane-sportsramblings.blogspot.com/2011/07/all-football-all-time.html (http://shane-sportsramblings.blogspot.com/2011/07/all-football-all-time.html)
Hmmmm. At this stage it looks like only Paddy Power fancies us.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on July 15, 2011, 01:46:31 PM
Interesting preview from former Roscommon manager John Maughan in the Mayo Advertiser:
I have been chatting to a few of my Roscommon friends All the pressure of this final is on Roscommon and it will be interesting to see if they crack under it.
That must have been a short conversation :D :D
How is there ANY pressure on Ros? We already won a Connacht 12 months ago , a year ahead of our usual 10 year schedule . Most genuine Ros fans see it as a test as to where we are and what progress we've made ( if any) and let's see how it goes.
Quote from: moysider on July 15, 2011, 06:14:54 PM
Hmmmm. At this stage it looks like only Paddy Power fancies us.
He's the lad you want fancying ye!
Quote from: moysider on July 15, 2011, 06:14:54 PM
Hmmmm. At this stage it looks like only Paddy Power fancies us.
Plenty of the Mayo men in the media have tipped you, Last year Roscommon were 5/1 with some bookies even though they were both Div 3 teams in the final. I wonder what the odds would be if Roscommon were a Div 1 team hadn't lost to Mayo for 10 years & beat them by 20pts the last time they played them?
I hear the Liam Hayes interview was pretty tough listening for a Mayo supporter - anybody know where you'd find it online.
Very hard to know what is going to happen on Sunday. The Rossies here are trying to play the poor relation and talk about seeing how far they have come - they don't believe that. They know that this is a Mayo team that is beatable and deep down expect to win and have full confidence in their young players.
It is very hard to know where Mayo are. We were uncertain before the Galway game. Galway were atrocious. This team has only played one match together. Did Galway fail to find us out or are we on the right track?
I have a feeling it could be another tough day at the office and home advantage might swing it for the Ros. They will want to avenge the pain of two years ago.
Bhuel níl ach tamallín beag fágtha anois go dtabharfaidh an dá fhoireann seo aghaidh ar a chéile i bPáirc de hÍde agus an teannas is an teaspaí ag eirí.
Is iad Maigh Eo rogha na cotianta agus ní haon hionadh sin. Cé go raibh droch bhliain acu anuraidh sa craobh bhí siad cuíosach maith sa sraith. Ag an am cheap a lán daoine go raibh dul chun chinn déanta ag Horan agus iad rogha na coitianta don Chraobh Chonnachta leis na geallghlacadóirí. Ansin tháinig an tromluí i gcoinne Londain agus géarchéim de mhuinín arís. Bhí an easpa muiníne soiléir sa chéad leath i gcoinne Gaillimh i gcluiche chomh measa is a bhí le feiceáil le fada an lá. Ach bhí Maigh Eo i bhfad níos fearr sa dara leath nuair a d'aimsigh siad cúl is ocht gcúilín. Cé go raibh Gaillimh go dona tabharfaidh an taispeántas sa dara leath muinín dóibh agus tabharfaidh siad aghaidh ar an cluiche ceannais lán de féin mhuinín agus dóchais. Ní bheidh aon faitíos orthu roimh Ros Comáin mar le blianta fada anois tá an lámh in uachtar acu i gcoinne "rógairí na gcaorach"
Cad faoi fhoireann Ros Comáin? Tá siad ag ag tógáil fhoireann céim le céim le cúpla bliain anuas bunaithe ar fhoireann a bhuaigh cluiche ceannais chraobh peile na mionúir i 2006. Bhí bua acu gan coinne anuraidh i gcraobh Chonnachta ach níor ghlac a lán daoine gurbh iad an fhoireann is fearr sa cúige agus go raibh an t-ádh acu. Beidh triail i bhfad níos deacra rompu sa cluiche seo. An bhfuil siad níos fearr ná anuraidh? De réir na torthaí sa sraith agus an cluiche i gcoinne Liatroim tá roinnt fheabhais san fhoireann. Tá Senan Kilbride agus Conor Devanney ar ais ach tá David O'Gara ar iarraidh. Ta cúpla cosantóirí nua an bhliain seo ach fós níl cosaint socraithe láidir acu agus tá easpa airde is nirt sa líne lán chúil. Sílim nach bhfuil na cúlaithe maith go leor fós mar aonad chun smacht a choimeád ar tosaithe Mhaigh Eo ar feadh an seachtó nóiméad. Is "work in progress " an fhoireann seo agus is é mo bharúil nach bhfuil siad fós réidh chun dul in iomaíocht leis na bocanna móra maidir le Mhaigh Eo!!
Tá idir taithí agus imreoirí nua ag Mhaigh Eo agus an féith is tréine acu ná an seilbh a bhuacaint – san aer nó ar an dtalamh. Is minic nach mbaineann siad mórán tairbhe as an seilbh seo ach i gcoinne Ros Comáin is malairt an gcás agus tá siad in ann scóranna a aimsiú gan stró. D'imir na deartháireacha O' Sé go maith i lár na páirce i gcoinne Gaillimh agus McGarrity le fáil freisin ceapaim go mbeidh an lámh in uachtar acu i lár na páirce. Tá Andy Moran ag imirt go sár mhaith faoi láthair agus tá sé in ann rith go díreach i dtreo an chúil. Imríonn Alan Dillon go maith i gcónaí i gcoinne Ros Chomáin agus tá se ar cumas an beirt seo scrios a dhéanamh. Sa líne lán tosaithe tá Freeman agus Doherty ábalta cúil a aimsiú agus gan dabht beidh seansanna acu. B'fhéidir nach bhfuil cosaint Mhaigh Eo gan locht ach ceapaim nach dtiocfaidh siad faoi an bhrú chéanna is a mbeidh ar chosaint an fhoireann baile
Táim ag súil ar taispeántas bríomhar, díograiseach, macánta ó Ros Comáin. Ach an leor é sin? Tá níos mó taithí ag Mhaigh Eo, iad níos fearr ag buachaint seilbh agus leis an muinín ar ais ceapaim go mbeidh an bua acu le farrasbarr ceithre nó cúig cúilín Ach nílimid gan dóchas!!!!
Quote from: Rossfan on July 15, 2011, 06:17:33 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on July 15, 2011, 01:46:31 PM
Interesting preview from former Roscommon manager John Maughan in the Mayo Advertiser:
I have been chatting to a few of my Roscommon friends All the pressure of this final is on Roscommon and it will be interesting to see if they crack under it.
That must have been a short conversation :D :D
How is there ANY pressure on Ros? We already won a Connacht 12 months ago , a year ahead of our usual 10 year schedule . Most genuine Ros fans see it as a test as to where we are and what progress we've made ( if any) and let's see how it goes.
Don t be coddin yourself Rossfan :D If you think that, I suspect you are in a small minority. But I doubt you either are going to settle for a good showing against a Div one side. You don t go from winning the bloody thing last year to putting on a good show against what would be percieved in Roscommon as a county anybody can take in the championship. And with Ros being by all accounts better than last year.
Most Roscommon fans would have less respect for Mayo football than likes of Liam Hayes. That they see us as a yardstick to measure their progress is having a laugh. I don t have to wait until 1 o clock on Sunday, when I ll see and hear that confidence in the Hyde, to know that they ll be bubbling with confidence like they always have been with only a couple of exceptions down the years.
Quote from: moysider on July 15, 2011, 09:15:15 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 15, 2011, 06:17:33 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on July 15, 2011, 01:46:31 PM
Interesting preview from former Roscommon manager John Maughan in the Mayo Advertiser:
I have been chatting to a few of my Roscommon friends All the pressure of this final is on Roscommon and it will be interesting to see if they crack under it.
That must have been a short conversation :D :D
How is there ANY pressure on Ros? We already won a Connacht 12 months ago , a year ahead of our usual 10 year schedule . Most genuine Ros fans see it as a test as to where we are and what progress we've made ( if any) and let's see how it goes.
Don t be coddin yourself Rossfan :D If you think that I suspect you are in a small minority. But I doubt you are going to settle for a good showing against a Div one side. You don t go from winning the bloody thing last year to putting on a good show against what would be percieved in Roscommon as a county anybody can take in the championship. And with Ros being by all accounts better than last year.
Most Roscommon fans would have less respect for Mayo football than likes of Liam Hayes. That they see us as a yardstick to measure their progress is having a laugh. I don t have to wait until 1 o clock on Sunday, when I ll see and hear that confidence in the Hyde, to know that they ll be bubbling like they always have been with only a couple of exceptions.
Jasus Moysider I don't know who or where they are all these Rossies who have no respect for ye're abilities or who have great confidence in our lads.
We really don't know how good (or bad ) we are and Sunday will give us some answers.
As for winning it last year... only 9 of that team line out Sunday.
Mar a dúirt an Tatler " Nílimid gan dóchas" ach .....
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I wonder what the odds would be if Roscommon were a Div 1 team hadn't lost to Mayo for 10 years & beat them by 20pts the last time they played them?
I don't think it's possible for a Mayo head to put the boot on the other foot. Even when they comfortably beat Galway they where trying to pin the favourite tag on us, how we would love any type over Galway never mind a win pulling up.
The truth is we got the monkey off our back by winning Connacht last July for the first time in nine long hard years however we are still work in progress a lot of the team is made up of 22/23 year olds & Kevin Higgins,Niall Carty,Donal Ward,Senan O'Grady & Senan Kilbride will be starting in their first ever Senior Connacht final. What Mayo have over us is vast experience in the like's of Keith Higgins,Alan Dillon,Andy Moran,Ronan McGarrity etc.. those guys could lead a sinking ship to safety.
For me home advantage will only come into effect if happen to be still in the game with 10mins to go so here's hoping.
P.S i wouldn't pay much attention to Liam Hayes he clearly hate's Mayo & anyways he went for a easy Sligo win last year.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 15, 2011, 09:39:20 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 15, 2011, 09:15:15 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 15, 2011, 06:17:33 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on July 15, 2011, 01:46:31 PM
Interesting preview from former Roscommon manager John Maughan in the Mayo Advertiser:
I have been chatting to a few of my Roscommon friends All the pressure of this final is on Roscommon and it will be interesting to see if they crack under it.
That must have been a short conversation :D :D
How is there ANY pressure on Ros? We already won a Connacht 12 months ago , a year ahead of our usual 10 year schedule . Most genuine Ros fans see it as a test as to where we are and what progress we've made ( if any) and let's see how it goes.
Don t be coddin yourself Rossfan :D If you think that I suspect you are in a small minority. But I doubt you are going to settle for a good showing against a Div one side. You don t go from winning the bloody thing last year to putting on a good show against what would be percieved in Roscommon as a county anybody can take in the championship. And with Ros being by all accounts better than last year.
Most Roscommon fans would have less respect for Mayo football than likes of Liam Hayes. That they see us as a yardstick to measure their progress is having a laugh. I don t have to wait until 1 o clock on Sunday, when I ll see and hear that confidence in the Hyde, to know that they ll be bubbling like they always have been with only a couple of exceptions.
Jasus Moysider I don't know who or where they are all these Rossies who have no respect for ye're abilities or who have great confidence in our lads.
We really don't know how good (or bad ) we are and Sunday will give us some answers.As for winning it last year... only 9 of that team line out Sunday.
Mar a dúirt an Tatler " Nílimid gan dóchas" ach .....
Abilities? What abilities? The ability to lose back to back v Sligo and Lonford. The ability to scrape home agoinst London? The ability to tank ye by 20 points 2 years ago and then manage to lose to a Meath team that were not much better than ye were, a few weeks later? I wouldn t expect anybody to respect that. I doubt we got much respect either for losing All Irelands and those teams are well gone. I d love to get a chance to lose an AI now.
I doubt the winning team will know how good they are on Sunday evening or fans will have many answers. And anybody that has learned anything won t be saying much out loud. Unlikely we ll get two good performances and a worthy winner on Sunday. The weather might play a part and a dry calm day could produce a cracker but a windy showry day could produce fare similar to 1993 ( terrible game but one of my favourite finals), but I won t be surprised if the medie boys are grinding their teeth well before ht like in the Mayo/Galway game. So Mayo s decent 2 nd half performance in poor conditions was dismissed with the focus being on how brutal Galway were supposed to have been. And in fairness they were at least made look very ordinary It ll be the same on Sunday I suspect with the losers presented as a dead loss and the winners by association not being a pile better because the opposition were such much muck. That s just the way football is portrayed in the province. Even when Mayo/Galway were producing classics in the 90s the games drew very little favourable reviews in the national media at the time.
On Sunday we ll have the after match winners interview where mom says that Mayo/Ros much better than they showed today and that it just didn t happen for them on the day and that we can take too much from our performance because the next match will be a big step up blah, blah, blah. Just the way it is.
Quote from: ross4life on July 15, 2011, 09:42:26 PM
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I wonder what the odds would be if Roscommon were a Div 1 team hadn't lost to Mayo for 10 years & beat them by 20pts the last time they played them?
I don't think it's possible for a Mayo head to put the boot on the other foot. Even when they comfortably beat Galway they where trying to pin the favourite tag on us, how we would love any type over Galway never mind a win pulling up.The truth is we got the monkey off our back by winning Connacht last July for the first time in nine long hard years however we are still work in progress a lot of the team is made up of 22/23 year olds & Kevin Higgins,Niall Carty,Donal Ward,Senan O'Grady & Senan Kilbride will be starting in their first ever Senior Connacht final. What Mayo have over us is vast experience in the like's of Keith Higgins,Alan Dillon,Andy Moran,Ronan McGarrity etc.. those guys could lead a sinking ship to safety.For me home advantage will only come into effect if happen to be still in the game with 10mins to go so here's hoping.
P.S i wouldn't pay much attention to Liam Hayes he clearly hate's Mayo & anyways he went for a easy Sligo win last year.
As for pinning favouritism on Ros, the boys were hardly off the pitch v Galway when Colm O Rourke was pinning his coulours firmly to the Ros mast. Now last time I looked O Rourke was not a Mayoman and most people would respect his judgement whatever about the others mention. So it is not only Mayomen pinning favouritism on Ros.
The experience tag doesn t stand up either. Yeah they have experience but it s mostly bad experience . Like losing AIs by cricket scores. Losing to Sligo, Derry and Longford in embarrassing circumstances. I ve time for those boys you mentioned but they have to lead a sinking ship to safety yet. That s the reason I fear that none of the neutral pundits trust us. I suspect that rather than being admirers of Ros a lot of them just dont trust Mayo.
O'Rourke is leitrim man he probably was influenced by our performance v them? Down showed leitrim's worth by beating them by without getting out of 2nd gear (a Down team that struggled to beat Clare the week before) TBH to see Horan come out after the Galway game & use our minor win as reason why we should be favourites was pathetic.
Fair point about these players having mostly bad experience but this is the Connacht championship & they have mostly good experience.
There was some crazy stuff posted before the Leitrim game with fellas saying that it would be a draw or that Leitrim would win in fortress Carrick etc etc. Leitrim are rubbish and Roscommon go into this game without a clue as to how good they are. Hence Mayo have to assume the mantel of favourites after out scoring Galway by 1-8 to 0-1 in the second half of their semi. It has been well documented how poor Galway were but it's the most concrete evidence of form that we have to hand in my view. If the game were in Castlebar there wouldn't be many going for a Roscommon win.
I recall a post from a Mayo poster here a few years ago where Mayo were described as being in "permanent transition". I get a sense that this may still be the case and Roscommon, while younger, are a bit further along in terms of building a team. Some of Mayo's result in the league were a bit all over the place. I'd imagine the management were really upset after the Dublin game - to concede 4 goals in a half of football is extremely careless. Roscommon are used to winning games this year and if we are still in touch with 10 minutes to go I'll be reasonably confident that we will pull through.
First and foremost I hope that this is a good game of football although high winds seem to be forecast which won't help. It will be interesting to see how good both teams are. I think it's vital for a Connacht team to make it past the quarter final stage and if either team can achieve this they will have made progress this season regardless of the outcome on Sunday.
Anyway hopefully home advantage will swing it for us and we will hold on to the Nestor Cup for another year!
Quote from: the Deel Rover on July 15, 2011, 02:35:51 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on July 15, 2011, 12:35:50 PM
Quote from: HowAreYeGettinOn on July 15, 2011, 11:59:10 AM
Things must be looking up for Mayo - Liam Hayes has forecast a 'relatively easy win for Roscommon' (last night's 'Off The Ball' on Newstalk). Not only that, but Mayo's record over the last 25 years makes them a 'failed entity' according to Liameen. In fact, he doesn't see any evidence as to why Mayo should be considered one of the big two in Connaught!!!
Fortunately Eugene McGee was on hand to talk some sense. Although he went for a Ros win too.
Ros may win, but I don't see it being 'relatively easy'...
God I can't stand that bollix. He dedicates his summer to having a swipe at Mayo football every year.
i used to feel the same way but then i just stopped reading the shite he wrote and stopped listening to him and guess what it worked, He hasn't a clue and comes across as a very bitter person
He wrote an article in The Mail last Thursday (14'Th) also ,same old rubbish ,belittling Mayo over the last 25 years,no real analysis,lazy journalism,written by a bitter person,best ignored.
Quote from: Halfquarter on July 15, 2011, 11:46:50 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on July 15, 2011, 02:35:51 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on July 15, 2011, 12:35:50 PM
Quote from: HowAreYeGettinOn on July 15, 2011, 11:59:10 AM
Things must be looking up for Mayo - Liam Hayes has forecast a 'relatively easy win for Roscommon' (last night's 'Off The Ball' on Newstalk). Not only that, but Mayo's record over the last 25 years makes them a 'failed entity' according to Liameen. In fact, he doesn't see any evidence as to why Mayo should be considered one of the big two in Connaught!!!
Fortunately Eugene McGee was on hand to talk some sense. Although he went for a Ros win too.
Ros may win, but I don't see it being 'relatively easy'...
God I can't stand that bollix. He dedicates his summer to having a swipe at Mayo football every year.
i used to feel the same way but then i just stopped reading the shite he wrote and stopped listening to him and guess what it worked, He hasn't a clue and comes across as a very bitter person
He wrote an article in The Mail last Thursday (14'Th) also ,same old rubbish ,belittling Mayo over the last 25 years,no real analysis,lazy journalism,written by a bitter person,best ignored.
Still, he is a card holding, multiple AI winning journalist. His opinions are widely respected and are as creditable as McGee, Brolly or Spillane. He, like them, influence people s opinion. Especially people that cannot inform themselves and need these 'expert' views.
Anagrams of Liam Hayes - for scientific purposes of course.
A yah Slime
I Lay Shame
Aha my lies
Ay lie sham
Quote from: Beard on July 15, 2011, 11:25:44 PM
There was some crazy stuff posted before the Leitrim game with fellas saying that it would be a draw or that Leitrim would win in fortress Carrick etc etc. Leitrim are rubbish and Roscommon go into this game without a clue as to how good they are. Hence Mayo have to assume the mantel of favourites after out scoring Galway by 1-8 to 0-1 in the second half of their semi. It has been well documented how poor Galway were but it's the most concrete evidence of form that we have to hand in my view. If the game were in Castlebar there wouldn't be many going for a Roscommon win.
I recall a post from a Mayo poster here a few years ago where Mayo were described as being in "permanent transition". I get a sense that this may still be the case and Roscommon, while younger, are a bit further along in terms of building a team. Some of Mayo's result in the league were a bit all over the place. I'd imagine the management were really upset after the Dublin game - to concede 4 goals in a half of football is extremely careless. Roscommon are used to winning games this year and if we are still in touch with 10 minutes to go I'll be reasonably confident that we will pull through.
First and foremost I hope that this is a good game of football although high winds seem to be forecast which won't help. It will be interesting to see how good both teams are. I think it's vital for a Connacht team to make it past the quarter final stage and if either team can achieve this they will have made progress this season regardless of the outcome on Sunday.
Anyway hopefully home advantage will swing it for us and we will hold on to the Nestor Cup for another year!
I ll put it this way. I m going to be very disappointed if we lose on Sunday. Now that I ve got that out of the way I ll tell you why. As you point out our league performances were all over the place - sometimes in the same game. However when Horan had his 'preferred' team on the field we did well. At least what I thought was his preferred team. As a result when push came to shove we got good second halves v Galway, Dublin and Cork but finished poorly v Kerry and Armagh. Also in championship v Galway we were a different team v Galway in second half when we got stuck in. Contrary to some opinion on here I think Ros will need to win this game early as we re a second half team. Horan is pretty much picking the shape of a team I was talking about in Feburary with the exception of the non inclusion of James Burke. Ronan (whom I suspect he was looking to anchor the team) is out but SOS is a big addition from the league. Harte continued absense is a big minus and I still think he would have preferred Caff at 6 but still the shape looks close to our best league bits. And those league bits like the 15 mins blitz v Galway were very impressive - or maybe that was just myself.
I'm not going to call it for the sake of calling it as I really dont know how its going to go. A draw would not be a surprise. I think (hope) the days of us being hammered by Mayo are gone for the immediate future anyway plus I think this Roscommon side are too good to let that happen. So it will be a close game.
That being said this is still a team in progress for the Rossies. Underage structures have improved dramatically over the last decade and they're beginning to bear fruit. Fergie is an excellent and well organised manager who just doesnt do hype. They will be a serious outfit inside the next 2-3 years.
Mayo are difficult to figure under Horan. They've mixed the good with the bad but maybe thats expected when a new manager overhauls playing personnel and styles etc. What was evident versus Galway was they've become much more mentally tough and work ethics have increased. On another day in the past they would have lost a match like that after playing so poorly and wasting so much possession in the first half.
I think in Shine and Kilbride Roscommon have more clinical finishers than Mayo. But in the likes of Moran, Dillon and Mcgarrity waiting in the wings Mayo have more experience and maturity. Midfield as it always is will be hugely important.
This is a genuine test of progress for Roscommon but if they compete well and lose narrowly they will do well in the qualifiers I feel as they will learn and regroup. Mayo will be bitterly disappointed if they dont win this and may not feature in the back door.
Best of luck to the Rossies plus the minor side also. I hope for all sides tomorrow that the weather doesnt ruin the quality of the matches because Connacht football could do with decent showpieces.
Quote from: ross matt on July 16, 2011, 10:11:46 AM
I'm not going to call it for the sake of calling it as I really dont know how its going to go. A draw would not be a surprise. I think (hope) the days of us being hammered by Mayo are gone for the immediate future anyway plus I think this Roscommon side are too good to let that happen. So it will be a close game.
That being said this is still a team in progress for the Rossies. Underage structures have improved dramatically over the last decade and they're beginning to bear fruit. Fergie is an excellent and well organised manager who just doesnt do hype. They will be a serious outfit inside the next 2-3 years.
Mayo are difficult to figure under Horan. They've mixed the good with the bad but maybe thats expected when a new manager overhauls playing personnel and styles etc. What was evident versus Galway was they've become much more mentally tough and work ethics have increased. On another day in the past they would have lost a match like that after playing so poorly and wasting so much possession in the first half.
I think in Shine and Kilbride Roscommon have more clinical finishers than Mayo. But in the likes of Moran, Dillon and Mcgarrity waiting in the wings Mayo have more experience and maturity. Midfield as it always is will be hugely important.
This is a genuine test of progress for Roscommon but if they compete well and lose narrowly they will do well in the qualifiers I feel as they will learn and regroup. Mayo will be bitterly disappointed if they dont win this and may not feature in the back door.
Best of luck to the Rossies plus the minor side also. I hope for all sides tomorrow that the weather doesnt ruin the quality of the matches because Connacht football could do with decent showpieces.
I hope the weather is good too but I don't think a showpiece is as important as one or both of these teams winning a quarter final. Connacht football will never be respected and we have to stop hoping it will be. Down were underdogs against Kildare after beating Kerry, as I recall, and Down aren't even from Connacht.
But at least they had the consolation of ending someone's summer. That might have been sweeter than having Liam Hayes say they were great.
45 mph winds & frequent showers forecasted for tomorrow i think we'll get a error ridden low scoring game in those conditions. Reading between the lines winning another Connacht title for Mayo will mean little as they will judge themselves after this game while we'll be satisfied to win our first back to back titles for 20 years.
The long 5 week Connacht final build up for us is almost done so best of luck to fergal & all the players Cmon de Ros.
Good pieces on the Ballagh' situation today in The Irish Times and The Daily Mail. It really is intriguing and worthy of a deeper investigation. There's a really good TV documentary to be done on it if tackled properly. I don't see any links for The Daily Mail. Here's the link for Malachy Clerkin's piece - http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0716/1224300821435.html
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on July 16, 2011, 03:44:36 PM
Good pieces on the Ballagh' situation today in The Irish Times and The Daily Mail. It really is intriguing and worthy of a deeper investigation. There's a really good TV documentary to be done on it if tackled properly. I don't see any links for The Daily Mail. Here's the link for Malachy Clerkin's piece - http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0716/1224300821435.html
Always thought Ballaghaderreen was right on the border. Didn't realise it was four and half miles inside Roscommon.
Mayo are a established Div 1 team that played in the league final last year & have beaten the likes of Cork,Kerry,Dublin the last few years.
Roscommon no doubt have improved though the level they have been playing at is a lot lower than Mayo's
In terms of individual talent there is little difference between the two however Mayo as a team have better know how & are athletically,technically better.
Bookies are spot on naming Mayo favourites but Roscommon odds should be a longer, i hope i'm wrong as i would love to see the underdog win & see the scenes of colour & excitement displayed by the home side however i feel Mayo to win by 5pts.
It was good piece but would have benefited from a bit more research. Sean Flanagan was from Aughamore in Mayo. Johno is from Kilmovee in Mayo. John's house in Ballaghaderreen is about 5 miles inside the Roscommon border, not the last house inside the Mayo part of the parish. Such rubbish. And the new Roscommon club did not just get off the ground. Certain people were instrumental in making sure it never got off the ground by having Mayo, Leitrim (Johno was manager at the time) and Galway vote against it when it went to a Connacht Council vote.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on July 16, 2011, 03:44:36 PM
Good pieces on the Ballagh' situation today in The Irish Times and The Daily Mail. It really is intriguing and worthy of a deeper investigation. There's a really good TV documentary to be done on it if tackled properly. I don't see any links for The Daily Mail. Here's the link for Malachy Clerkin's piece - http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0716/1224300821435.html
So basically Senan Kilbride should actually be playing for Mayo?? Those thieving feckin Rossies....... ;)
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 14, 2011, 11:58:09 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 14, 2011, 10:38:25 AM
Not even I would dare to remind ye of 1996 the year of the absolute double fcuk up ye made against Meath. ;D ;D ;D ;D
It's one thing slaggin ye about 04 and 06 but 96 .... now there's a step too far :'( :'( :'( :-*
Someone's pulled the wool over yer eyes there, horse! (or should that be sheep??)
That was Frrandeelin you replied to and, like yerself, he is living testimony to the fact that democracy is alive and well on this board. ;D
If that's yer standard of observation, ye might be better off headin' for Castlerea and not Roscommon on Sunday!
PS. Hope yer forwards are more accurate on Sunday or they won't give us a game at all, at all.
Lar Naparka, you seem to have a worrying obsession about sheep...Is there anything you'd like to tell us ::)
Lar na parka was just getting a dig in at the sheep shaggers name that Roscommon have earned. I reckon mayo will win this game but not sure by how much other than less than 5 points.
Roscommon seem to think they will win, which is exactly what mayo would want.
Mayo. 1 12
Roscommon. 1. 10
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on July 16, 2011, 01:11:34 PM
Quote from: ross matt on July 16, 2011, 10:11:46 AM
I'm not going to call it for the sake of calling it as I really dont know how its going to go. A draw would not be a surprise. I think (hope) the days of us being hammered by Mayo are gone for the immediate future anyway plus I think this Roscommon side are too good to let that happen. So it will be a close game.
That being said this is still a team in progress for the Rossies. Underage structures have improved dramatically over the last decade and they're beginning to bear fruit. Fergie is an excellent and well organised manager who just doesnt do hype. They will be a serious outfit inside the next 2-3 years.
Mayo are difficult to figure under Horan. They've mixed the good with the bad but maybe thats expected when a new manager overhauls playing personnel and styles etc. What was evident versus Galway was they've become much more mentally tough and work ethics have increased. On another day in the past they would have lost a match like that after playing so poorly and wasting so much possession in the first half.
I think in Shine and Kilbride Roscommon have more clinical finishers than Mayo. But in the likes of Moran, Dillon and Mcgarrity waiting in the wings Mayo have more experience and maturity. Midfield as it always is will be hugely important.
This is a genuine test of progress for Roscommon but if they compete well and lose narrowly they will do well in the qualifiers I feel as they will learn and regroup. Mayo will be bitterly disappointed if they dont win this and may not feature in the back door.
Best of luck to the Rossies plus the minor side also. I hope for all sides tomorrow that the weather doesnt ruin the quality of the matches because Connacht football could do with decent showpieces.
I hope the weather is good too but I don't think a showpiece is as important as one or both of these teams winning a quarter final. Connacht football will never be respected and we have to stop hoping it will be. Down were underdogs against Kildare after beating Kerry, as I recall, and Down aren't even from Connacht.
But at least they had the consolation of ending someone's summer. That might have been sweeter than having Liam Hayes say they were great.
Beidh la eile ag foireann na Gaillimhe, Iolar, agus beidh meas ann aris ;)
Real Connacht final was v Galway.We should win this by 10+. There is a big difference between Div 1 and 4 as Ros will find out.
Quote from: Mayo Mick on July 16, 2011, 08:50:00 PM
Real Connacht final was v Galway.We should win this by 10+. There is a big difference between Div 1 and 4 as Ros will find out.
Mayo Mick saying/typing what all the other Mayo fans are thinking?
Well spent some time among some kiltoom men today up there in Rossie. Genuine football men I would say and the general feeling was Ros by 5 - 6 points. Was hoping for a dry day myself, think we would be faster, good day would day suit us. If the day was good in Mchale Park I felt we could have won by more against Galway.
I have a feeling that the occassion will put a bit of pressure on ross, the politics thing & all that. A rush of blood to the head could happen & might be costly, but we'll know by 3:30. ::)
Anyway good luck to all & I hope for Connaught's sake we get a good game like Meath V kildare this evening.
P.S. Hayes cant seem hide his contempt for Mayo but thats his problem. Must have got his eye wiped by a mayoman ;D
Gotta admit tomorrow is a hard one to figure. I was impressed with Roscommon's performance v Leitrim physically dominated the midfield sector while moving the ball calmly and clinically on a fairly damp day. Ourselves, well the second half performance v Galway was very good and if the shooting boots were on in the first half the margin at the end could have been 10-12 points. However, in both cases the quality of the opposition has to be factored in. Leitrim naively played a running, handpassing game on a wet day, taking the ball into contact against a physically bigger team and repeatedly turned over possession while the Galway performance was the worst I've ever seen. The windy, showery day forecast for tommorrow is going to mitigate against good football. There will be a fair bit of breaking ball around the middle and the 2 O'Sheas, McLoughlin, Dillon and Moran are going to have to be quick onto it, because if Ros get a decent supply of ball into Kilbride and Shine I could see us struggling to contain them. We will have to get well on top in midfield to win because a) the conditions will suit Ros more and b) we will probably need more possession to get scores than Roscommon will. I really hope the free taking doesn't continue to bite us in the ass and we are clinical with the scoring chances we get, if we are I think we can pull off a 2-3 point win.
Can t believe that I m typying at this hour of a Saturday night but nobody wants to go for a few pints and talk about football anymore. Changed times. Sad, never remember less interest in the old game around the place.
As for the game itself we ll just have to wait and see what happens. The weather will be shite but that may suit us to be honest. We played some of our better stuff on windy wet days in spring. The Ros forwards may be more difficult to find. Anyway it will be a pain in the hole and destroy any chance of a spectacle. Somebody mentioned the Kildare/Meath match earlier a good game. Maybe I m just cranky but it looked as much muck as Mayo/Galway but was competitive for longer.
It will be unbelievable if Roscommon can do a 2 in a row after being on their knees 2 years ago. And from a Mayo point of view it will be unforgivable if we let it happen. I only remember Mayo doing 2 in a row a few times, 88/89, 92/93, 96/97, and that was with really strong teams and we never managed 3 in a row. To let Ros do it with a rookie team would be a poor reflection on the side that has been playing division 1 and should really be churning out the local titles. I expect Mayo to eat the grass tomorrow to get the job done. Time to stop messing around and making heroes of others.
Fightin' talk Moysider, God bless you. Henry V on the eve of Agincourt couldn't have put it better.
Your post earlier this week about 1998 gave me the willies, and now we have this report from Nephinman about how good they're feeling in Kiltoom, one of the great football parishes. But here's a thing: Aiden Kilcoyne butchered Roscommon in ten minutes two years ago. Now he can't even make the panel.
Johnno told his adoring faithful at the Club Mayo table quiz the last day about how much Finneran had improved and how well he knew Karol Mannion, one of Roscommon's great servants. There'll be huge pressure on those lads today, and Mayo did well in the muck against Galway. Feck the weather. This will be worth watching. Best of luck to the Ross. Up Mayo.
C'mon the Rossies.Thought they would win Connaught at start of year (were they 8/1?)
Back to back Connaught titles would be a great feat but it would be hard to see them going beyond QFs.
Just parking up in Rosscommon, saffron and blue flags everywhere on way up from the Galway side. Today I swapped my jersey for oilskins but I don't think a wetsuit would save me today.
I expect an open game which would be against the trend of opinion here. Both defences are fairly weak and neither have an outstanding midfield.
The battle for me us who has the best forwards, which I think we have the upper hand. Sticking to my guns, Mayo by 4-6, with a workman like performance wearing Rossies down with fitness which will especially show later in the game.
Any links to watch this online?
Quote from: hsthompson on July 17, 2011, 01:33:12 PM
Any links to watch this online?
Try this link,it seems to work.
http://tykestv.eu/channel1.php
hsthompson
http://tykestv.eu/channel1.php
cheers bai
Before the game would have fancied Roscommon but don't think a 4 point lead at half time will be sufficient with that wind. Shine 2 missed frees could be crucial. Mayo defence is giving very little room to Kilbride and Shine, Horan has tactics right in placing a man in front of those pair (unlike our manager last year).
Having said that Ross won't make it easy for the Mayo forwards in the second half-they will probably have 12/13 players behind the ball and have to keep their discipline as Mayo will have to shoot from long range and as we know Mayo forwards are not great at scoring under pressure.
Think Mayo will win by a few points
does conor mortimer not play for mayo anymore or whats the story?
That Cathal Dinnen is killing Roscommon. He's given away three brainless fress.
A few very soft frees going Mayos way. Mayo having trouble scoring from play
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 17, 2011, 03:17:31 PM
That Cathal Dinnen is killing Roscommon. He's given away three brainless fress.
Some of the frees he's giving to Mayo are scandalous the one for the equalizer was shocking! It's an awful game
Roscommon have two big men in the full-forward line and they've barely kicked any ball into them. Madness. Has been all slow build up with handpasses. Mayo surviving on frees really.
Mayo getting some very handy frees from Collins it must be said. Don't think the last two were frees at all.
Brillant by the keeper saving a point to keep his side in front
Mayo keeper saves the equaliser at one end and then they score immediately at the other to go 2 up.
Should be game over. Feels like Roscommon played most of the football in the game but looks like they are going to lose all the same.
That was a great catch by the Mayo keeper and looks like being the difference.
Roscommon were far too laboured in their build-up. Two huge men in their full-forward line and they refused to kick the ball into them. Persisting with a slow handpassing crawl up the field. At the other end they conceded some very silly frees. Did Cathal Dinnen get taken off twice? All he did was give away frees. Turning point might have been Shine's goal chance that he blasted over the bar.
1/4 final against mayo...............................most qualifier teams will be licking their lips at the prospect of that
Has anyone told the Roscommon half backs/midfielders etc that kicking the ball is allowed in the sport of Gaelic Football???
Mayo played with the correct tactics of playing a sweeper in front of Shine and Kilbride which worked well especially in first half. Still there should have been more ball kicked into them.
Now let's see if either of the teams is any use.
Will either win an all-ireland before Galway are back?
Quote from: seafoid on July 17, 2011, 04:21:33 PM
Now let's see if either of the teams is any use.
Will either win an all-ireland before Galway are back?
Enda Kenny will be worshipped in Roscommon before Galway are back.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on July 17, 2011, 03:51:14 PM
1/4 final against mayo...............................most qualifier teams will be licking their lips at the prospect of that
Last time you dubs licked your lips for mayo it ended in tears. Mayo are poor , I will give you that but they are due a good game and a quarter final against anyone other than cork or Kerry would be seen by mayo as one they could win.
Don't be too sure of yourself, you are neither cork nor Kerry.
Quote from: mannix on July 17, 2011, 04:55:19 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on July 17, 2011, 03:51:14 PM
1/4 final against mayo...............................most qualifier teams will be licking their lips at the prospect of that
Last time you dubs licked your lips for mayo it ended in tears. Mayo are poor , I will give you that but they are due a good game and a quarter final against anyone other than cork or Kerry would be seen by mayo as one they could win.
Don't be too sure of yourself, you are neither cork nor Kerry.
Another one lined and baited ;)..................................... thank god we are not mayo, phewwwwwwwwwwwwww
We won the first three games playing shite, if we win the next three playing shite I'll be happy ;)
Mayo playing badly and winning is a nice change. Feeny #5 had a great game and o'connor in the forwards...what free taking problems?
So I'm just in from the game, great to get the win up there.
Conditions were as bad as I have ever witnessed for a Connacht Final, worse than Tuam in 99. There was a gale blowing into the graveyard end from the first minute to the last, and I have no doubt it is still blowing now. It will certainly have made the game look terrible as a TV specticle but I would defy any team in the country to play entertaining football in those conditions. Today was a day to grind it out, and what is most pleasing is the way we did just that.
On first look Roscommon's unwillingness to launch in the high balls in the first half seems bizarre, but they were harried and hassled by the O'Shea's in midfield to the point that their task was almost made impossible. The Roscommon 7 must have been told to take out SOS at the start of the second half but all he managed to do was injure himself. The two boys are made of really tough stuff. Ther difference was noticable when Kilcullen got a run for a few minutes in the second half, he just wasn't of the same standard.
Keith Higgins played the free man to perfection in the first half and came out with a serious amount of ball. Trevor Mortimer looks like a new man this year in the backs and, but for his customary one major error per game (which almost cost us a goal), was excellent.
But it was our overall physicality and willingness to battle it out as a team that impressed me the most. They just had more fight in them than the Rossies and that was great to see. And young O'Connor is developing as a player quicker than I could have imagined. Only a year out of minor he would have been the last of our full forward line I would have expected to win us the game today. But that is exactly what he did and although it is early days, his potential in a Mayo jersey seems massive.
For Roscommon this seems like another game against Mayo where they were hyped up a bit too much both locally and nationally and couldn't live up to their billing. Cathal Cregg said in the match programme that last year's win meant nothing if they couldn't prove themselves by beating one of the 'big two' today. This will certainly take some of the gloss off that win. They had home advantage, all their key players available, half a dozen All Ireland minor winners that they are building the team around and a top manager in FOD, but it wasn't enough and when next they play us they will have to trek to Castlebar to seek revenge. That combined with the complete embarrassment that is Galway football these days would give you a lot of hope for the future as a Mayo supporter in terms of the Connacht Championship.
The quarters will be a whole different story of course but, in terms of Horan's first year, staying in Division 1 while experimenting and unearthing the new players that have won us the Connacht title represents mission pretty much accomplished for 2011. We know we are not good enough to beat the very best at this stage of our development, but we have a very young team, a manager who has shown he can make the right calls on the big day and a whole lot of potential for the future. I just hope, in terms of the remainder of this year, that we do ourselves justice in Croke Park and leave with our heads held high, regardless of the outcome of the next game.
Up Mayo!
Quote1/4 final against mayo...............................most qualifier teams will be licking their lips at the prospect of that
Typical Dub comment and sums up perfectly why they've come up short for most a generation.
Not only have the team fallen inot the trap of 'licking their lips' at potential quarter final opponents they view as inferior but have spent most of the year licking one anothers ring-peices and signing autographs for the fans from diaries with the heading "All Ireland Champions 2008".
I'd say "Oh how the mighty fall but unfortunately the mights has not applied to Dublin footballers for most of half a century!
Just back from the November like conditions in Hyde park the worst weather i have experienced for a Championship game
First off congrats to Mayo on regaining Nestor.
Disappointing but not overly disappointed we have improved a lot from 09 we got the competitive performance we where looking for unfortunately we just came up short however TBH that's was the worst Mayo side i've seen winning Connacht since 1993 so on today's evidence we'll have to improve a hell of a lot ourselves in the next few years.
We won midfield i felt but Mayo won more breaks & our full back line held Mayo's full forward line scoreless from play. losing Ward to injury early in the 2nd half was a bad blow & his replacement Dineen well....the less said about him the better.
Poor wides in the 1st half probably cost us the game but your not going to win many games only scoring 2pts in 35mins & only one of your forwards turning up. Kilbride took a bang to the leg early on & didn't look fit after that i was surprised he stayed on so long & for some reason Cregg played the sweeper role in the 2nd half when he needed him in the forwards.
Anyway the lads needs to keep their chins up as there is another Connacht title or maybe two in this team.
P.S Collins the ref as expected was awful i really don't know why he was given provincial final when everyone knows he's shite.
First of all heartiest congratulations to Mayo. The best team won. Yes we could have won but had we done we would have stolen it. The condistions were horrendous. Driving wind... constant rain..... pitch like an ice rink and little or no light. That weather has to be a factor when judging the quality of the match on TV. You simply had to be there to appreciate how difficult it was for both sets of players. The ref didnt help in the sense he was completely inconsisten in awarding frees leaving players not knowing how much or how little they could get away with when tackling.
Mayo adapted best to the conditions I felt. Like I feared they improved from the Galway match in the sense they were much more economical with possession. They showed once again a great willingness to win dirty ball and they were definitely physically stronger than us in most positions. James Horan will be a happy man tonight and they will improve again before the quarterfinals where they may surprise alot of people. Midfield is possibly their weak area in terms of winning primary possession. Finneran cleanly caught or knocked down alot of kickouts today.
For us it was a really bad day at the office. We had more than enough possession to win the match but bizarrely in the first half our half backs and midfield refused to kick long and constantly carried ball in to the tackle. Totally disagree with Cosmo that it was down to Mayo pressure. There was pllenty opportunity to let the ball do the work with that wind. Devenney was a liability in the manner in which he swept back and constanstly went on solo runs that were not suited to the conditions. Shine missed 2 easy frees but hit some really long difficult ones and in general won his share of ball in play. Kilbride was either carrying a knock or just didnt want to know on the day. I felt O'Grady was in trouble on his marker and he and devenney could have been subsitiuted earlier. Dineen was a bizarre move by Fergie and co. He was always going to give away frees and lucky to stay on the field. O'Connor, Domnican and Ward + the backs in general did well as regards their basic duties.
That being said we were still in contention until the very end. Had Donie kept the ball down we could have had a goal not a point and the mayo keeper made a superb save of what looked a definite point. But in general our shot selection and general decision making let us down. Mayo were just more mature and experienced. We measured ourselves against them and are just not there yet. No excuses.
However I think we can regroup for the qualifiers. This management and young side are too dedicacted to throw the towel in now and a run in the back door would be very beneficial in terms of playing top opposition. It was heartening for the future to see the minors hammer a well regarded Galway side today. Better times ahead.
As expected the favourites Mayo came out on top, Roscommon had Mayo on the ropes in the 1st half & if they where leading by 6-8pts at the break they probably would have won it. Mayo's experience was a telling factor in the 2nd half & all this talk of no free taker?? turned out a free taker won the game just like last year.
I like many said pre-match it was Div 1 v Div 4 but on today's evidence it looked more like two Div 3 teams. Roscommon have improved but still need someone to support Shine while i don't really know where this Mayo team are going & judging by the lack of celebrations today i don't think that provincial title will satisfied their expectations.
Just home from the game, great to win today, congrats to Horan and the lads. Retaining div 1 status and winning Connacht makes this year a success for his first year.
The weather was unreal, probably didn't look as bad on TV as it actually was. The wind was so strong that on a few occasions the kickouts held up and started moving backwards!!!
Overall, I thought we at least broke even in midfield in the first half but lost it it for large parts of the second half when it looked like we might pull away at the start of the half. As it was, some of the frees we got to win it were soft enough (although I don't know what the ref was at pulling O'Connor for time-wasting when we were 4 points down!!!).
My player ratings would be:
Hennelley - 8, unreal catch at the end when it would have been easier to pop it over the bar and two Rossies waiting for it if he dropped it.
Higgins - 8, Excellent in the first half when playing as the extra man and rarely lost the ball
A Feeney - 7, decent game without being outstanding, not sure why he was taken off
Cunniffe - 7.5, played well and other than losing the ball in a bad position in the first half by the sideline, I thought he did well
R Feeney - 7.5, caught out a couple of times in the 2nd half when he should have gone down on the ball but he hoovered up some very important balls towards the end
Vaughan - 5, struggled badly in the first half and was responsible for two scores where he gave away the ball. Settled down well in the 2nd half.
Mort - 8.5, showed great willingness to get on the ball and drove through to create a point in the first half
S O'Se - 7, worked hard but probably not on the ball enough
A O'Se - 7.5, excellent in the first half but I think the challenge from the wing back left him very shook
McLoughlin - 6.5, great point in the first half but didn't win as many breaks as he should have
Dillon - 5.5, perhaps a bit harsh on him but as captain and our best player the bar is set high and he didn't reach it. Might have went for goal instead of cutting back and taking his point.
Moran - 6.5, got a v good point in the 1st half (although I was sure it was CO'C at the time!) and showed well for the ball but seemed to continuously cut back inside when the conditions didn't suit
O'Connor - 8.5, excellent Connacht final debut for a 19 year old, the handy early frees really settled him down. Showed a lot of cuteness to win some soft frees in the 2nd half.
Freeman - 6, showed well but couldn't seem to hold the ball at all. Came very far out the pitch when he might have been better closer to goal. Should have held the ball and buried it instead instead of flicking it on to Mort
Doherty - 5.5, very quiet but will have better days when the ball in drier and the open spaces of Croker will suit him and Freeman.
Varley - 7.5, great point at the end and won a good free as well. Could be in contention to start instead of Doc
Gardiner - 6.5, his effort for a point looked doomed until the wind caught it and just sneaked it over but they all count. Also ballooned a pass at the very end when you might have expected a cooler head from him.
McGarrity - 5.5, never got into it at all but crucially robbed the ball in the middle of the pitch in the lead up to the last point. Will be better with a few more training sessions
Caff - 5.5, like McG, never got into it. Would have put him on intsead of Vaughan rather than Feeney.
Kilcullen - not really on long enough to be rated. Thought it strange that he was brought on as blood sub and McG as the proper sub.
In general the forwards were poor (CO'C excepted) but they will surely be better on a drier day. JH kept his best form for Croker and hopefully it will be the same with this team.
I wouldn't fear meeting any of the teams left in the qualifiers except Cork who could do serious damage to us.
Ross will be disappointed tonight as they could easily have won this one with a little luck and more composure. They should travel to play Tyrone / Armagh (Tyrone IMO) with confidence though and hopefully we'll see ye in Croker later this year.
One last thing - the behaviour of the Rossie supporters behind the goal was disgraceful - booing and jeering O'Connor as he took frees at that end. That kind of sh*te has no place in the GAA, let them head away up to watch Sligo Rovers or something if that's what they want.
Quote from: ross matt on July 17, 2011, 07:41:33 PM
First of all heartiest congratulations to Mayo. The best team won. Yes we could have won but had we done we would have stolen it. The condistions were horrendous. Driving wind... constant rain..... pitch like an ice rink and little or no light. That weather has to be a factor when judging the quality of the match on TV. You simply had to be there to appreciate how difficult it was for both sets of players. The ref didnt help in the sense he was completely inconsisten in awarding frees leaving players not knowing how much or how little they could get away with when tackling.
Mayo adapted best to the conditions I felt. Like I feared they improved from the Galway match in the sense they were much more economical with possession. They showed once again a great willingness to win dirty ball and they were definitely physically stronger than us in most positions. James Horan will be a happy man tonight and they will improve again before the quarterfinals where they may surprise alot of people. Midfield is possibly their weak area in terms of winning primary possession. Finneran cleanly caught or knocked down alot of kickouts today.
For us it was a really bad day at the office. We had more than enough possession to win the match but bizarrely in the first half our half backs and midfield refused to kick long and constantly carried ball in to the tackle. Totally disagree with Cosmo that it was down to Mayo pressure. There was pllenty opportunity to let the ball do the work with that wind. Devenney was a liability in the manner in which he swept back and constanstly went on solo runs that were not suited to the conditions. Shine missed 2 easy frees but hit some really long difficult ones and in general won his share of ball in play. Kilbride was either carrying a knock or just didnt want to know on the day. I felt O'Grady was in trouble on his marker and he and devenney could have been subsitiuted earlier. Dineen was a bizarre move by Fergie and co. He was always going to give away frees and lucky to stay on the field. O'Connor, Domnican and Ward + the backs in general did well as regards their basic duties.
That being said we were still in contention until the very end. Had Donie kept the ball down we could have had a goal not a point and the mayo keeper made a superb save of what looked a definite point. But in general our shot selection and general decision making let us down. Mayo were just more mature and experienced. We measured ourselves against them and are just not there yet. No excuses.
However I think we can regroup for the qualifiers. This management and young side are too dedicacted to throw the towel in now and a run in the back door would be very beneficial in terms of playing top opposition. It was heartening for the future to see the minors hammer a well regarded Galway side today. Better times ahead.
That's as fine an analysis of the game as we'll read in any paper tomorrow, and better than you'll read in most of them. Hard luck Matt. No Rossie will cheer for you as hard as I shall in a fortnight (with the greatest of respect to Ard M(h)aca and Tír Eoghain, of course).
Quote from: under the bar on July 17, 2011, 06:51:31 PM
Quote1/4 final against mayo...............................most qualifier teams will be licking their lips at the prospect of that
Typical Dub comment and sums up perfectly why they've come up short for most a generation.
Not only have the team fallen inot the trap of 'licking their lips' at potential quarter final opponents they view as inferior but have spent most of the year licking one anothers ring-peices and signing autographs for the fans from diaries with the heading "All Ireland Champions 2008".
I'd say "Oh how the mighty fall but unfortunately the mights has not applied to Dublin footballers for most of half a century!
Don't we all remember that was Tyrone's reaction back a few years ago and we know what happened there!! I would love to get the Dubs, but enough of this nonsence. After getting out of a bath of WD40 (i was that damp coming home, i thought i was getting rusty!). Well done to this team and the management, without saying all that has been said before, this team has put the pride back in the jersey and the old guard seem to be back with the hunger again. To go to Roscommon on a shitty wet windy sunday. go behind and stay behind for most of the game, no panic, no headlessness and the team ethic still there. To kick on and win it as a team says a lot about this mix of players. Credit to James Horan on all of the above. Targets for 2011 achieved. Hopefully Croke park wil be enjoyed by the players and the when the shackles and pressure off, who knows??????? UP MAYO!
As expected the weather made a mess of the match. The worst conditions I ve ever seen at a Connacht championship match. A win is a win I suppose is the best way to look at it. If we had lost an error ridden game like that then it would have been very difficult to take any positives from it.
Roscommon I thought probably left it behind. While Mayo worked hard to keep the score down Roscommon should have been further ahead at half time. I never imagined that Finneran could have improved so much and Mannion won a sight of ball in the second half. There can t be many better ball winning midfields around but at the same time we ll have to get Mcgarrity on the field for the whole game in a few weeks.
No point being too critical of either team under the circumstances. From a Mayo point of view we ve got to the 1/4s without looking good. Judging by some of the misinformed ramblings by the usual pundits on tv etc nobody knows what we re about and anytime we ve played it has been in a monsoon. How good we could be if we fire on a good day is difficult to say. Certainly there is no pressure or expectation - and neither will there be any until we win in Croke Park. Today was the most poorly attended final from a Mayo point of view. Mayo will be the lowest ranked of the last eight and will have nothing to lose. I would expect Caff to start ( not going to say instead of whom), and McGarrity. That will mean a reshuffle because I think we ll need the two lads in there as well. Even in shitty conditions today I would have expected Doc and Freeman to win more ball so we will have to hope they ll be better on a drier day. They should improve. Hopefully Howley, Mort and even Harte will be able to take some part in the next match.
If Roscommon can win that type of possession again on a drier day the ll have a great chance against either Armagh or Tyrone. Crucially neither the players or fans looked too devestated after the match.
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 17, 2011, 08:18:44 PM
Just home from the game, great to win today, congrats to Horan and the lads. Retaining div 1 status and winning Connacht makes this year a success for his first year.
The weather was unreal, probably didn't look as bad on TV as it actually was. The wind was so strong that on a few occasions the kickouts held up and started moving backwards!!!
Overall, I thought we at least broke even in midfield in the first half but lost it it for large parts of the second half when it looked like we might pull away at the start of the half. As it was, some of the frees we got to win it were soft enough (although I don't know what the ref was at pulling O'Connor for time-wasting when we were 4 points down!!!).
My player ratings would be:
Hennelley - 8, unreal catch at the end when it would have been easier to pop it over the bar and two Rossies waiting for it if he dropped it.
Higgins - 8, Excellent in the first half when playing as the extra man and rarely lost the ball
A Feeney - 7, decent game without being outstanding, not sure why he was taken off
Cunniffe - 7.5, played well and other than losing the ball in a bad position in the first half by the sideline, I thought he did well
R Feeney - 7.5, caught out a couple of times in the 2nd half when he should have gone down on the ball but he hoovered up some very important balls towards the end
Vaughan - 5, struggled badly in the first half and was responsible for two scores where he gave away the ball. Settled down well in the 2nd half.
Mort - 8.5, showed great willingness to get on the ball and drove through to create a point in the first half
S O'Se - 7, worked hard but probably not on the ball enough
A O'Se - 7.5, excellent in the first half but I think the challenge from the wing back left him very shook
McLoughlin - 6.5, great point in the first half but didn't win as many breaks as he should have
Dillon - 5.5, perhaps a bit harsh on him but as captain and our best player the bar is set high and he didn't reach it. Might have went for goal instead of cutting back and taking his point.
Moran - 6.5, got a v good point in the 1st half (although I was sure it was CO'C at the time!) and showed well for the ball but seemed to continuously cut back inside when the conditions didn't suit
O'Connor - 8.5, excellent Connacht final debut for a 19 year old, the handy early frees really settled him down. Showed a lot of cuteness to win some soft frees in the 2nd half.
Freeman - 6, showed well but couldn't seem to hold the ball at all. Came very far out the pitch when he might have been better closer to goal. Should have held the ball and buried it instead instead of flicking it on to Mort
Doherty - 5.5, very quiet but will have better days when the ball in drier and the open spaces of Croker will suit him and Freeman.
Varley - 7.5, great point at the end and won a good free as well. Could be in contention to start instead of Doc
Gardiner - 6.5, his effort for a point looked doomed until the wind caught it and just sneaked it over but they all count. Also ballooned a pass at the very end when you might have expected a cooler head from him.
McGarrity - 5.5, never got into it at all but crucially robbed the ball in the middle of the pitch in the lead up to the last point. Will be better with a few more training sessions
Caff - 5.5, like McG, never got into it. Would have put him on intsead of Vaughan rather than Feeney.
Kilcullen - not really on long enough to be rated. Thought it strange that he was brought on as blood sub and McG as the proper sub.
In general the forwards were poor (CO'C excepted) but they will surely be better on a drier day. JH kept his best form for Croker and hopefully it will be the same with this team.
I wouldn't fear meeting any of the teams left in the qualifiers except Cork who could do serious damage to us.
Ross will be disappointed tonight as they could easily have won this one with a little luck and more composure. They should travel to play Tyrone / Armagh (Tyrone IMO) with confidence though and hopefully we'll see ye in Croker later this year.
One last thing - the behaviour of the Rossie supporters behind the goal was disgraceful - booing and jeering O'Connor as he took frees at that end. That kind of sh*te has no place in the GAA, let them head away up to watch Sligo Rovers or something if that's what they want.
Plenty of mayomen support sligo rovers too so kindly leave us out of it, Congrats to Mayo on a deserved victory although prematch i did think roscommon would win.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on July 17, 2011, 10:00:15 PM
Plenty of mayomen support sligo rovers too so kindly leave us out of it, Congrats to Mayo on a deserved victory although prematch i did think roscommon would win.
I actually follow Sligo Rovers a bit myself but you know what I mean......
Good foul to give away by Gardiner for the last Roscommon point
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 17, 2011, 10:10:30 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on July 17, 2011, 10:00:15 PM
Plenty of mayomen support sligo rovers too so kindly leave us out of it, Congrats to Mayo on a deserved victory although prematch i did think roscommon would win.
I actually follow Sligo Rovers a bit myself but you know what I mean......
Every county has idiot supporters, im sure 99% of roscommon fans bahaved well. Anyway enjoy tonight and comiserations to ros although the minors should lift the gloom somewhat.
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Indeed you did Sligonian & knowing your track record of predicting results i feared that was the final nail in our coffin ;)
I was behind the hospital end goal and the weather was like something out of the rapture.Shocking.
A win is a win is a win as they say, would have gladly taken a Connacht title prior to the championship. I leave the in depth analysis to our more seasoned posters.
Both Feeneys upped their games in the second half, both were very loose in the first half and if Roscommon drove the ball in earlier, would have done some damage. Thought Caff should have been in earlier that being said. Roscommon midfield is serious, Mannion is a quality player.
Cillian O'Connor showed great bottle with the frees, and didn't let getting pulled up by Collins disrupt his routine, could have easily rattled him and it didn't. Doherty, who was a goal machine in the league hasn't had a sniff of one in the 3 championship games now, need to sort that.
Quote from: ross4life on July 17, 2011, 10:22:21 PM
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Congrats to Mayo on a deserved victory although prematch i did think roscommon would win.
Indeed you did Sligonian & knowing your track record of predicting results i feared that was the final nail in our coffin ;)
[/quote] I finished second in the NFL predictions league i'll have you know :D AND i won money on a harps, coolera, smg treble, and armagh, donegal, kildare, limerick accumaleter and roscommoin minors, 3 bets 100 euro profit,$$$ 8)
Very few would of predicted kilbrides lack of influence and the lack of directness and speed of supply into either front 2..that game imo was there for ros today.. credit to mayo they did bottle up space in front but ros didnt help there own cause.
Just watching the Sunday Game here.....Spillane would really annoy youu...as every poster has said here, the conditions were absolutely terrible...and he still has to have a dig about it being a bad match....
Did Hayes say much on TV3 after the match after his Newstalk comments during the week?!
Quote from: m@yoman on July 17, 2011, 10:32:03 PM
Just watching the Sunday Game here.....Spillane would really annoy youu...as every poster has said here, the conditions were absolutely terrible...and he still has to have a dig about it being a bad match....
Did Hayes say much on TV3 after the match after his Newstalk comments during the week?!
Hayes sent a few digs mayos way before the game with brady sitting beside him, he seems to have a chip on his shoulder tbh, dunno why. I didnt see after match analysis, Its easy for spillane in his nice studio to slag the football in those conditions, 24 scores in those conditions is no mean feat imo, i was playing myself in championship and it was horrendus. Very few outside the province rate Connacht, i personnally think its premature and we should be judged on how connacht teams do outside. Galway werent far off meath so no disgrace there, leitrim werent bad against down but we were poor against wicklow but were still on a different galaxy after last yr, so itll be interesting to see how roscommon and mayo do now, im glad ros have 13 days to recover.
anyone any stats on wides/frees/kickouts won etc.???
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on July 17, 2011, 10:30:38 PM
Quote from: ross4life on July 17, 2011, 10:22:21 PM
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Congrats to Mayo on a deserved victory although prematch i did think roscommon would win.
Indeed you did Sligonian & knowing your track record of predicting results i feared that was the final nail in our coffin ;)
I finished second in the NFL predictions league i'll have you know :D AND i won money on a harps, coolera, smg treble, and armagh, donegal, kildare, limerick accumaleter and roscommoin minors, 3 bets 100 euro profit,$$$ 8)
Very few would of predicted kilbrides lack of influence and the lack of directness and speed of supply into either front 2..that game imo was there for ros today.. credit to mayo they did bottle up space in front but ros didnt help there own cause.
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Was pulling your leg Sligonian in fairness you did tip our Minors to win but TBH i had no doubts myself with them. It seemed Kilbride was carrying a knock from early on & from then on he didn't contest 50/50 balls. He's our most injury prone player & i feel if today was a league,club game he would have been taken off at half time, Shame we didn't get to see Kilbride at his best today as if Shine had some help in the forward line we would have won that game.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on July 17, 2011, 08:38:41 PM
Quote from: ross matt on July 17, 2011, 07:41:33 PM
First of all heartiest congratulations to Mayo. The best team won. Yes we could have won but had we done we would have stolen it. The condistions were horrendous. Driving wind... constant rain..... pitch like an ice rink and little or no light. That weather has to be a factor when judging the quality of the match on TV. You simply had to be there to appreciate how difficult it was for both sets of players. The ref didnt help in the sense he was completely inconsisten in awarding frees leaving players not knowing how much or how little they could get away with when tackling.
Mayo adapted best to the conditions I felt. Like I feared they improved from the Galway match in the sense they were much more economical with possession. They showed once again a great willingness to win dirty ball and they were definitely physically stronger than us in most positions. James Horan will be a happy man tonight and they will improve again before the quarterfinals where they may surprise alot of people. Midfield is possibly their weak area in terms of winning primary possession. Finneran cleanly caught or knocked down alot of kickouts today.
For us it was a really bad day at the office. We had more than enough possession to win the match but bizarrely in the first half our half backs and midfield refused to kick long and constantly carried ball in to the tackle. Totally disagree with Cosmo that it was down to Mayo pressure. There was pllenty opportunity to let the ball do the work with that wind. Devenney was a liability in the manner in which he swept back and constanstly went on solo runs that were not suited to the conditions. Shine missed 2 easy frees but hit some really long difficult ones and in general won his share of ball in play. Kilbride was either carrying a knock or just didnt want to know on the day. I felt O'Grady was in trouble on his marker and he and devenney could have been subsitiuted earlier. Dineen was a bizarre move by Fergie and co. He was always going to give away frees and lucky to stay on the field. O'Connor, Domnican and Ward + the backs in general did well as regards their basic duties.
That being said we were still in contention until the very end. Had Donie kept the ball down we could have had a goal not a point and the mayo keeper made a superb save of what looked a definite point. But in general our shot selection and general decision making let us down. Mayo were just more mature and experienced. We measured ourselves against them and are just not there yet. No excuses.
However I think we can regroup for the qualifiers. This management and young side are too dedicacted to throw the towel in now and a run in the back door would be very beneficial in terms of playing top opposition. It was heartening for the future to see the minors hammer a well regarded Galway side today. Better times ahead.
That's as fine an analysis of the game as we'll read in any paper tomorrow, and better than you'll read in most of them. Hard luck Matt. No Rossie will cheer for you as hard as I shall in a fortnight (with the greatest of respect to Ard M(h)aca and Tír Eoghain, of course).
Cheers Iolar. Hope both Connacht sides do well in their next matches. Missed the Sunday game but heard Spillane was dissing the match without allowing for the conditions so Connacht football is the poor relation again.
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 17, 2011, 08:18:44 PM
Just home from the game, great to win today, congrats to Horan and the lads. Retaining div 1 status and winning Connacht makes this year a success for his first year.
The weather was unreal, probably didn't look as bad on TV as it actually was. The wind was so strong that on a few occasions the kickouts held up and started moving backwards!!!
Overall, I thought we at least broke even in midfield in the first half but lost it it for large parts of the second half when it looked like we might pull away at the start of the half. As it was, some of the frees we got to win it were soft enough (although I don't know what the ref was at pulling O'Connor for time-wasting when we were 4 points down!!!).
My player ratings would be:
Hennelley - 8, unreal catch at the end when it would have been easier to pop it over the bar and two Rossies waiting for it if he dropped it.
Higgins - 8, Excellent in the first half when playing as the extra man and rarely lost the ball
A Feeney - 7, decent game without being outstanding, not sure why he was taken off
Cunniffe - 7.5, played well and other than losing the ball in a bad position in the first half by the sideline, I thought he did well
R Feeney - 7.5, caught out a couple of times in the 2nd half when he should have gone down on the ball but he hoovered up some very important balls towards the end
Vaughan - 5, struggled badly in the first half and was responsible for two scores where he gave away the ball. Settled down well in the 2nd half.
Mort - 8.5, showed great willingness to get on the ball and drove through to create a point in the first half
S O'Se - 7, worked hard but probably not on the ball enough
A O'Se - 7.5, excellent in the first half but I think the challenge from the wing back left him very shook
McLoughlin - 6.5, great point in the first half but didn't win as many breaks as he should have
Dillon - 5.5, perhaps a bit harsh on him but as captain and our best player the bar is set high and he didn't reach it. Might have went for goal instead of cutting back and taking his point.
Moran - 6.5, got a v good point in the 1st half (although I was sure it was CO'C at the time!) and showed well for the ball but seemed to continuously cut back inside when the conditions didn't suit
O'Connor - 8.5, excellent Connacht final debut for a 19 year old, the handy early frees really settled him down. Showed a lot of cuteness to win some soft frees in the 2nd half.
Freeman - 6, showed well but couldn't seem to hold the ball at all. Came very far out the pitch when he might have been better closer to goal. Should have held the ball and buried it instead instead of flicking it on to Mort
Doherty - 5.5, very quiet but will have better days when the ball in drier and the open spaces of Croker will suit him and Freeman.
Varley - 7.5, great point at the end and won a good free as well. Could be in contention to start instead of Doc
Gardiner - 6.5, his effort for a point looked doomed until the wind caught it and just sneaked it over but they all count. Also ballooned a pass at the very end when you might have expected a cooler head from him.
McGarrity - 5.5, never got into it at all but crucially robbed the ball in the middle of the pitch in the lead up to the last point. Will be better with a few more training sessions
Caff - 5.5, like McG, never got into it. Would have put him on intsead of Vaughan rather than Feeney.
Kilcullen - not really on long enough to be rated. Thought it strange that he was brought on as blood sub and McG as the proper sub.
In general the forwards were poor (CO'C excepted) but they will surely be better on a drier day. JH kept his best form for Croker and hopefully it will be the same with this team.
I wouldn't fear meeting any of the teams left in the qualifiers except Cork who could do serious damage to us.
Ross will be disappointed tonight as they could easily have won this one with a little luck and more composure. They should travel to play Tyrone / Armagh (Tyrone IMO) with confidence though and hopefully we'll see ye in Croker later this year.
One last thing - the behaviour of the Rossie supporters behind the goal was disgraceful - booing and jeering O'Connor as he took frees at that end. That kind of sh*te has no place in the GAA, let them head away up to watch Sligo Rovers or something if that's what they want.
Was embarrassed by it. They did it to the Galway minors also. Hateful shite that should be left to soccer matches.
Quote from: ross matt on July 17, 2011, 11:45:18 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 17, 2011, 08:18:44 PM
Just home from the game, great to win today, congrats to Horan and the lads. Retaining div 1 status and winning Connacht makes this year a success for his first year.
The weather was unreal, probably didn't look as bad on TV as it actually was. The wind was so strong that on a few occasions the kickouts held up and started moving backwards!!!
Overall, I thought we at least broke even in midfield in the first half but lost it it for large parts of the second half when it looked like we might pull away at the start of the half. As it was, some of the frees we got to win it were soft enough (although I don't know what the ref was at pulling O'Connor for time-wasting when we were 4 points down!!!).
My player ratings would be:
Hennelley - 8, unreal catch at the end when it would have been easier to pop it over the bar and two Rossies waiting for it if he dropped it.
Higgins - 8, Excellent in the first half when playing as the extra man and rarely lost the ball
A Feeney - 7, decent game without being outstanding, not sure why he was taken off
Cunniffe - 7.5, played well and other than losing the ball in a bad position in the first half by the sideline, I thought he did well
R Feeney - 7.5, caught out a couple of times in the 2nd half when he should have gone down on the ball but he hoovered up some very important balls towards the end
Vaughan - 5, struggled badly in the first half and was responsible for two scores where he gave away the ball. Settled down well in the 2nd half.
Mort - 8.5, showed great willingness to get on the ball and drove through to create a point in the first half
S O'Se - 7, worked hard but probably not on the ball enough
A O'Se - 7.5, excellent in the first half but I think the challenge from the wing back left him very shook
McLoughlin - 6.5, great point in the first half but didn't win as many breaks as he should have
Dillon - 5.5, perhaps a bit harsh on him but as captain and our best player the bar is set high and he didn't reach it. Might have went for goal instead of cutting back and taking his point.
Moran - 6.5, got a v good point in the 1st half (although I was sure it was CO'C at the time!) and showed well for the ball but seemed to continuously cut back inside when the conditions didn't suit
O'Connor - 8.5, excellent Connacht final debut for a 19 year old, the handy early frees really settled him down. Showed a lot of cuteness to win some soft frees in the 2nd half.
Freeman - 6, showed well but couldn't seem to hold the ball at all. Came very far out the pitch when he might have been better closer to goal. Should have held the ball and buried it instead instead of flicking it on to Mort
Doherty - 5.5, very quiet but will have better days when the ball in drier and the open spaces of Croker will suit him and Freeman.
Varley - 7.5, great point at the end and won a good free as well. Could be in contention to start instead of Doc
Gardiner - 6.5, his effort for a point looked doomed until the wind caught it and just sneaked it over but they all count. Also ballooned a pass at the very end when you might have expected a cooler head from him.
McGarrity - 5.5, never got into it at all but crucially robbed the ball in the middle of the pitch in the lead up to the last point. Will be better with a few more training sessions
Caff - 5.5, like McG, never got into it. Would have put him on intsead of Vaughan rather than Feeney.
Kilcullen - not really on long enough to be rated. Thought it strange that he was brought on as blood sub and McG as the proper sub.
In general the forwards were poor (CO'C excepted) but they will surely be better on a drier day. JH kept his best form for Croker and hopefully it will be the same with this team.
I wouldn't fear meeting any of the teams left in the qualifiers except Cork who could do serious damage to us.
Ross will be disappointed tonight as they could easily have won this one with a little luck and more composure. They should travel to play Tyrone / Armagh (Tyrone IMO) with confidence though and hopefully we'll see ye in Croker later this year.
One last thing - the behaviour of the Rossie supporters behind the goal was disgraceful - booing and jeering O'Connor as he took frees at that end. That kind of sh*te has no place in the GAA, let them head away up to watch Sligo Rovers or something if that's what they want.
Was embarrassed by it. They did it to the Galway minors also. Hateful shite that should be left to soccer matches.
Fair play Matt for admitting it. I didn't so much mind it for the senior game, because it has become sadly common, but doing it to 17 year olds in the minor game was awful IMHO.
There was a crowd of young mayo lads at it 2-3 years back, used to congregate behind the goals at matches. Since they finished the junior cert though, they seem to have given it up!!
Quote from: m@yoman on July 17, 2011, 10:32:03 PM
Just watching the Sunday Game here.....Spillane would really annoy youu...as every poster has said here, the conditions were absolutely terrible...and he still has to have a dig about it being a bad match....
Did Hayes say much on TV3 after the match after his Newstalk comments during the week?!
wouldnt take much notice of spillane he reminds me of the cartoon woody woodpecker.I had
predicted on the way home from the matsh he would use the word junior football but insted he
was ranting on about moodeys or something.
Well who'd of thunk it. We had a free taker after all and a mighty fine one at that. The poor free taking shows in London and Castlebar were just to fool the rossies and by god they fell for it hook line and sinker. They didnt seem bothered about fouling Mayo, obviously thinking they had no freetaker. By the time they copped on to scam that was after been pulled on them O Connor was pinging them over from everywhere. I met a lot of lads after the match who cleaned up on O Connor scoring more then one point witrh the bookies. Odds were 6/4 and they knew all week he was taking the frees.
Seriously though, I really enjoyed the game. The conditions were atrocious yet both teams gave it their all. I was totally confused with the rossie tactics in the first half. Despite the strong breeze they were very slow to get it inside and lot of messing around with the ball. Mayo stayed calmer when it mattered and I never really was worried about them winning it. This, along with the ball winning mentality around the middle are the two biggest improvements on last year. The backs on boths side were excellent but in fairness to the forwards it was really a defenders day. Cunnife had a mighty game and really stepped up after the galway game. Higgins likewise. Im delighted Trevor Mortimer came back. Another mighty performance. The half back position suits him to a tee. Aiden O Shea had a good solid performance in midfield. I taught Mayo won the midfield battle. Aiden took some hit at the start of the second half, but the poor rossie that hit him looked really shook after the experience. The few minutes Aiden went of for, he was really missed.
I hate to be giving out about refs, but f..k me where do they get some of them from. He was just so inconsistent. I dont think he favoured either side, just lots of bad decisions. Cillian O'Connor was hardly wasting time when his team were 4 points down. Denying Roscommon a 45 when the whole ground could see it came of a Mayo man. Booking Dineen for feck all after he came on. Then not having the balls to follow it up with another yellow when he should be booked. It was just totally inconsistent reffing all day long. At some stages he was willing to let things go and maybe allow for the conditions, next thing he is pulling a lad up for frig all. The GAA are going to have to take a serious look at reffing. Its gone beyond a joke now.
Great to win a Connacht title, I think that would have been the minimum target at the start of the year so from now on we could be in bonus territory.
The pressure is well and truly off now as we are entering the qualifiers under the radar and are probably not rated based on the performances against Galway and Roscommon, which suits us grand.
I was happy enough with the overall performance yesterday, but I think there was some poor individual performances for Mayo that need to be addressed.
For me Alan Feeney, Higgins and Vaughan were well below par yesterday. Feeney was miles away from Donie Shine at times especially when Shine was taking his scores from play.
Both Higgins and Vaughan were giving away stupid frees to Roscommon when they were playing with the wind in the first half. They should have had more discipline than that, and should have known not to give away scoreable frees, it was elementary stuff. Higgins especially did some needless fouling like that trip off the ball when one of the Feeneys was running onto a loose ball. That kind of stuff could have been the losing of the game if Shine converted a couple more frees in the first half.
Cunniffe did fine on Kilbride although sometimes he would stand off and shadow instead of getting in the tackle.
I was not exactly happy with Seamus O Shea either. He didnt work hard enough or get on enough ball. I am not sure was the pace catching him but at times it seemed like Aidan was carrying him.
Upfront Freeman and Doherty were very poor considering all the ball that was kicked in.
It seemed like they felt sorry for themselves and let the conditions beat them.
I know wet and slippery conditions favour the defender, but they were not bursting onto possession and winning it. Varley came off the bench and seemed to get on as much ball in 10 minutes that Doherty had in the while game, and he chipped in with an unreal score. He will be pushing him the next day.
I was thrilled for Cillian O Connor to announce his arrival on the big stage. He is a very smart player and we are only seeing the beginning of what he has to offer. The free taking argument is now over thankfully.
I think the management got the calls right yesterday too and got the best performance out of Mayo. Roll on the quarters...
Quote from: criostlinn on July 18, 2011, 10:05:34 AM
Well who'd of thunk it. We had a free taker after all and a mighty fine one at that. The poor free taking shows in London and Castlebar were just to fool the rossies and by god they fell for it hook line and sinker. They didnt seem bothered about fouling Mayo, obviously thinking they had no freetaker. By the time they copped on to scam that was after been pulled on them O Connor was pinging them over from everywhere. I met a lot of lads after the match who cleaned up on O Connor scoring more then one point witrh the bookies. Odds were 6/4 and they knew all week he was taking the frees.
Seriously though, I really enjoyed the game. The conditions were atrocious yet both teams gave it their all. I was totally confused with the rossie tactics in the first half. Despite the strong breeze they were very slow to get it inside and lot of messing around with the ball. Mayo stayed calmer when it mattered and I never really was worried about them winning it. This, along with the ball winning mentality around the middle are the two biggest improvements on last year. The backs on boths side were excellent but in fairness to the forwards it was really a defenders day. Cunnife had a mighty game and really stepped up after the galway game. Higgins likewise. Im delighted Trevor Mortimer came back. Another mighty performance. The half back position suits him to a tee. Aiden O Shea had a good solid performance in midfield. I taught Mayo won the midfield battle. Aiden took some hit at the start of the second half, but the poor rossie that hit him looked really shook after the experience. The few minutes Aiden went of for, he was really missed.
I hate to be giving out about refs, but f..k me where do they get some of them from. He was just so inconsistent. I dont think he favoured either side, just lots of bad decisions. Cillian O'Connor was hardly wasting time when his team were 4 points down. Denying Roscommon a 45 when the whole ground could see it came of a Mayo man. Booking Dineen for feck all after he came on. Then not having the balls to follow it up with another yellow when he should be booked. It was just totally inconsistent reffing all day long. At some stages he was willing to let things go and maybe allow for the conditions, next thing he is pulling a lad up for frig all. The GAA are going to have to take a serious look at reffing. Its gone beyond a joke now.
You abssolutely hit it on the nail there Criostlinn.
Lads lots of positives but to be truthful I thought the rossies were terrible in the 2nd half, they kicked away a site of ball, where they should have been hand passing and the forwards seemed afraid to shoot and relied too much on Shine, who had a good game but not a great one, too much expected from him with no help.
I thought the ref, umpires and linesmen robbed the rossies blind, a stone wall 45, a couple of sideline balls that looked dodgy to me, awful soft frees, varley did a Ronaldo on the wing, I think the one free COC missed. However Dineen should have gone for the second yellow but as someone said the first one was v soft so justice served there.
Having said all that I think Mayo had enough to win, even if the goal went in I think it would have been the same result, however my heart was in my mouth with Hennelly but absolutely savage take.
The conditions made it hard, nearly impossible to play football but what I'd be worried about for both teams was the lack of intensity, no big hits, no real desire from either side with the exception of Mort and COC, and mcgarritys steal. Other teams will bring that intensity and I'm afraid both teams will be lacking. The open spaces and dry day though should suit mayo better.
I think Cork or Kildare and we're out, Tyrone or Wexford and we've a great shot at a semi final. Kildare and corks fitness levels seem to be way out in front of any other team, I think the o'sheas are lacking there and that could be the difference between us and them
Horrendous conditions throughout the match but we pulled through and showed enough grit, determination and calmness when required to win it.
Hennelly had a good game today. Kickouts were as good as you could expect. And that take over the crossbar could have been the winning of it.
I thought Higgins, Cunniffe, Mort and to a lesser extent Richie Feeney all had very good games. T Mort especially relished it and was delighted when his man dropped deep in the 2nd half, he powered us on in the 2nd half and gave his old all-action style a runout. A Feeney struggled a bit with Shine and Vaughan was fairly anonymous but is a better player than he showed yesterday. I loved the hunger in the last couple of minutes when they blocked down one shot and put unreal pressure one the follow up.
AOS done very well in midfield but thought SOS wasn't near as good as he was against Galway. McGarrity fully fit alongside side AOS should improve us there.
None of the half-forwards had great games but all dug deep. All of them scored from play - and Andy done well in the second part of the 1st half when he swapped with Freeman against the wind and scored one and won a free which was scored.
At FF O'Connor had a great game, both on the frees and in general play. Freeman mixed the good with the bad. Doherty is still feeling his way into it at this level. Varley will challenge him for that spot - so will C Mort when he's back. I think Doherty carries more of a goal threat than either of the two but can be out of a game for long periods - even when playing decent.
All in all bonus territory from here in. We should be able to give a good game to anyone bar Cork in the QF. It's hard to say how good we are after two games in terrible conditions. If we continue to improve a semi final is not out of the question.
Great to get the win in the Hyde. As others have said, it was a calm, confident performance from Mayo - something that hasn't always been seen from Mayo teams.
They don't panic when they go a few points behind, they have the belief in themselves that they can get themselves back in front - of course, the conditions in the last two games has played a huge part in that.
Having played the last two games in February-like conditions has us in a strange position. It's developed a hard-working, no-nonsense team ethic, but it means nobody really knows where we stand against the other teams left in the Championship. That's probably a good thing - we were written off by most pundits before the Connacht Final, and we'll be written off again for the 1/4 final. I'd be confident the team can put in a big performance, and depending on the draw, we have a decent chance of making a semi-final, which would be a great year for us IMO.
I just watched the highlights on The Sunday Game, and given the conditions, I thought there were excellent scores from both sides. It's very easy to rubbish it and say it was two poor teams, but it was impossible to have a high-quality game in those conditions - at least Kevin McStay made that point rather than letting Spillane away with his cheap Moody's jibe.
Finally, commiserations to Ros, but they have made huge progress over the last couple of years and their summer isn't over yet (not that there's been much of a summer). I would give them a very good chance of turning over Armagh or Tyrone - they are not the sides they were in the mid-noughties.
It was mentioned to me at the weekend that London might be the only Connacht team to beat a team from outside Connacht! Scary
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 18, 2011, 11:14:46 AM
I think Cork or Kildare and we're out, Tyrone or Wexford and we've a great shot at a semi final. Kildare and corks fitness levels seem to be way out in front of any other team, I think the o'sheas are lacking there and that could be the difference between us and them
Can Mayo actually get Tyrone? Assuming the Tyrone v Armagh game is next weekend along with the 3 final round qualifier games and the quarter final draw is made afterwards, surely we cannot be drawn against them as there would be a chance we'd end up playing Roscommon again in the quarter final...?
Little things mean a lot or so I'm told.
One little thing in particular that Aidan O'Shea did last year in Markievicz Park came to mind as I watched him yesterday. Late on in the game in Sligo as it began to slip away from the visitors, OShea was dispossessed rather easily.
Nothing noteworthy about that as colleagues all around him were allowing the same thing to happen to them. But what he did next perfectly summed up the Mayo attitude that day.
After the defender passed him by and passed the ball to a better placed colleague, young O'Shea made a token attempt to chase after him. After four or five strides he gave up the chase. Next, he turned his back on the action and stood facing the Sligo goal with his hands on his hips and began to dig each boot in turn into the ground. Maybe his ankles needed flexing but so did his brain.
We shared one thing I n common at that moment; both of us were hell bent on making an exit from the place ASAP.
I didn't blame him as there was not spirit whatever in any of the Mayo team or management that day.
Yesterday, he was a different man. He was putting his heft to good use and fought for every ball as if his life depended on getting it and on passing it on with purpose. He and his fellow players used the long kick inside in the first half and used the diagonal ground pass where possible when facing into the gale. Mayo were making every effort to adapt to the conditions; Roscommon were not.
IMO, this is where the battle was won and lost.
Throughout the game, the Rossies has enough possession around the middle third to win it if they used it effectively. Mayo probably have that little bit of extra coolness that only comes with experience.
I wouldn't dismiss the chances of either side in their games to come. Neither gave up the fight right up to the final whistle. I'd say that any side that faces either of them in gamers to come will have a fight on their hands. Both teams will have learned a lot from the encounter and if the weather conditions are anything like they were at the Hyde yesterday, anything is possible.
I'm not sure how it's going to work, if Tyrone win that will mean they or rossies can only get Kerry or Dublin and we're down to a 1 in 3 of avoiding cork & kildare
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 18, 2011, 01:31:31 PM
Little things mean a lot or so I'm told.
One little thing in particular that Aidan O'Shea did last year in Markievicz Park came to mind as I watched him yesterday. Late on in the game in Sligo as it began to slip away from the visitors, OShea was dispossessed rather easily.
Nothing noteworthy about that as colleagues all around him were allowing the same thing to happen to them. But what he did next perfectly summed up the Mayo attitude that day.
After the defender passed him by and passed the ball to a better placed colleague, young O'Shea made a token attempt to chase after him. After four or five strides he gave up the chase. Next, he turned his back on the action and stood facing the Sligo goal with his hands on his hips and began to dig each boot in turn into the ground. Maybe his ankles needed flexing but so did his brain.
We shared one thing I n common at that moment; both of us were hell bent on making an exit from the place ASAP.
I didn't blame him as there was not spirit whatever in any of the Mayo team or management that day.
Yesterday, he was a different man. He was putting his heft to good use and fought for every ball as if his life depended on getting it and on passing it on with purpose. He and his fellow players used the long kick inside in the first half and used the diagonal ground pass where possible when facing into the gale. Mayo were making every effort to adapt to the conditions; Roscommon were not.
IMO, this is where the battle was won and lost.
Throughout the game, the Rossies has enough possession around the middle third to win it if they used it effectively. Mayo probably have that little bit of extra coolness that only comes with experience.
I wouldn't dismiss the chances of either side in their games to come. Neither gave up the fight right up to the final whistle. I'd say that any side that faces either of them in gamers to come will have a fight on their hands. Both teams will have learned a lot from the encounter and if the weather conditions are anything like they were at the Hyde yesterday, anything is possible.
In fairness to Aiden he really looks like he wants to play with Mayo. His attitude is all different to last year. He came back after the winter a lot fitter and this really signified his intentions for the summer. After the collision yesterday the pysio was calling for a change straight away but Aiden insisted on staying on. Thank good he did because he would have been a huge lose
That was a good win in those dreadful conditiions. However a lot of players didn't play well and they will have to improve considerably for the next game. Saying that the conditions probably didn't help either. Just happy to have gotten the win. Hennelly will keep Clarke out of the goal spot for another while it seems. My own men of the match would be Richie Feeney and Tom Cunniffe. Honestly, he did a mighty job on Senan Kilbride (who I thought couldn't be kept quiet). Cillian O'Connor probably deserved it however as he scored 0-8 from frees and he is so young.
As others have said its great to win a connacht title...Conditions were as poor as ive ever witnessed for a connacht championship match. Again the workrate from mayo was very impressive. JH has them fighting for every ball and when that happens from 1-15 youll never be far away. Solid performances from hennelly, cunniffe, richie, mort, aos, andy and coc. Theres more to come from the other 8 as well. Doherty and Freeman can offer much more and open spaces with a dry pitch will suit these two. Jez i can see doherty exploding into life some day soon if he gets the right ball. In the first half yday both doherty and coc were constantly having their shirts held and couldnt get that half yard of space that they crave.
Both caff and mcgarrity will be pushing hard for inclusion the next day as will enda varley - a good position for the management to be in. For me theres still question marks over the CHB spot - Not sure if vaughan has the awareness or vision to play there, though he certainly has the fitness and the physique. In fairness its probably the most pivotal postion on the field and alot of counties have trouble filling it. You had both Donegal and Meath playing corner backs there at the weekend, kerry still experimenting with brosnan there.
Think im right in saying we're at a slight disadvantage with the QF draw as we've a 1 in 3 chance of getting cork (presuming they win) as opposed to a 1 in 4 chance if the result of armagh\tyrone v roscommon game was known pre the QF draw. But anyway we cant change who we get, only put our own house in order. We'll more than likely be underdogs (unless we draw the limerick\wexford tie), a position that suits most teams.
Back in 1991 a 19 year old Derek Duggan nerves of steel on frees was a enough to beat Mayo & win a Connacht title, strange 20 years on it was roles reversed.
Quote from: ross4life on July 18, 2011, 03:55:37 PM
Back in 1991 a 19 year old Derek Duggan nerves of steel on frees was a enough to beat Mayo & win a Connacht title, strange 20 years on it was roles reversed.
If my memory is right, he struck the winner from a placed ball out close to the halfway line in the dying seconds.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 18, 2011, 05:48:31 PM
Quote from: ross4life on July 18, 2011, 03:55:37 PM
Back in 1991 a 19 year old Derek Duggan nerves of steel on frees was a enough to beat Mayo & win a Connacht title, strange 20 years on it was roles reversed.
If my memory is right, he struck the winner from a placed ball out close to the halfway line in the dying seconds.
The half way line, not at all. It was least back on his own 45. And still rising as it left the ground
Quote from: criostlinn on July 18, 2011, 05:57:36 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 18, 2011, 05:48:31 PM
Quote from: ross4life on July 18, 2011, 03:55:37 PM
Back in 1991 a 19 year old Derek Duggan nerves of steel on frees was a enough to beat Mayo & win a Connacht title, strange 20 years on it was roles reversed.
If my memory is right, he struck the winner from a placed ball out close to the halfway line in the dying seconds.
The half way line, not at all. It was least back on his own 45. And still rising as it left the ground
Are you guys on about the first game in Mchale park? in the Hyde park replay Duggan kicked 7 frees & one 45/50.
Quote from: ross4life on July 18, 2011, 06:02:56 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on July 18, 2011, 05:57:36 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 18, 2011, 05:48:31 PM
Quote from: ross4life on July 18, 2011, 03:55:37 PM
Back in 1991 a 19 year old Derek Duggan nerves of steel on frees was a enough to beat Mayo & win a Connacht title, strange 20 years on it was roles reversed.
If my memory is right, he struck the winner from a placed ball out close to the halfway line in the dying seconds.
The half way line, not at all. It was least back on his own 45. And still rising as it left the ground
Are you guys on about the first game in Mchale park? in the Hyde park replay Duggan kicked 7 frees & one 45/50.
Equalising point in castlebar
Quote from: muscles magoo on July 18, 2011, 12:27:01 PM
Can Mayo actually get Tyrone? Assuming the Tyrone v Armagh game is next weekend along with the 3 final round qualifier games and the quarter final draw is made afterwards, surely we cannot be drawn against them as there would be a chance we'd end up playing Roscommon again in the quarter final...?
if they make the draw next weekend we can not get the teams involved in the roscommon tie, but if it supposed to be an opendraw,then the draw would have to be put back a week. but this will not happen
Congrats to Mayo and the Mayo posters here. Nothing in really but our inexperience showed. O'Gara was a huge loss - would have made a big difference. Who got MoM - I fellt Richie Feeney deserved it - exactly the kind of player you need on a day like that.
Not too disappointed - we are improving, the players battled hard and we made mistakes that you get away with in Div 4. If players and management learn from the mistakes then it might serve us better in the long run than sneaking a win.
Horan has Mayo well organised and playing with spirit. However conditions were too bad yesterday to assess their potential.
Well done Mayo. Wouldn't it be nice if we both won our quarter finals. Tis years since we played a bit of caid up in Jones road
Quote from: Kerry Mike on July 18, 2011, 08:52:42 PM
Well done Mayo. Wouldn't it be nice if we both won our quarter finals. Tis years since we played a bit of caid up in Jones road
Looking for another handy one KM!!
As others have said you can't really blame the two teams for it not being a good game given the dreadful conditions. You are just not going to get open football on a day like that.
I felt Ros were the architects of their own downfall with their tactics in the first half.Time and again they kept soloing and handpassing out of defence and then losing it before it got anywhere near the danger area.In conditions like that and playing with a gale force wind behind them surely they should have been letting the ball into the full forward line early and often.
Mayo used the elements far better. Several times they just launched the ball into the ff line and ended up getting frees that won them the game. Ros should have been more direct. They seemed to be very reliant on Donie Shine - even more so given that Kilbride had an off day.
Quote from: galwayman on July 18, 2011, 09:18:49 PM
I felt Ros were the architects of their own downfall with their tactics in the first half.Time and again they kept soloing and handpassing out of defence and then losing it before it got anywhere near the danger area.In conditions like that and playing with a gale force wind behind them surely they should have been letting the ball into the full forward line early and often.
Mayo used the elements far better. Several times they just launched the ball into the ff line and ended up getting frees that won them the game. Ros should have been more direct. They seemed to be very reliant on Donie Shine - even more so given that Kilbride had an off day.
We were obsessed with flutin around hand passing and soloing when it sould have been long and direct with a gale behind us in the first half. Also we should have gone with 6 forwards lined out in the traditional manner so that there was always bodies to aim long clearances at.
Overall defence and midfield was sound enough but it was back to 2010 as far as forwards were concerned i.e Donie on his own.
We were very very poor going forward in the second half.
Yet bad and all as we played and despite all the silly errors we could still have sneaked it.... but maybe it will be more beneficial in the long run. Mind you it was hard to think of that coming out of the Hyde yesterday .
Why did the Connachtn Council have to send all the way to Cork for that Collins. They could have found a ref every bit as bloody bad nearer home. Talk about decisions favouring the "big" teams .... >:(
Quote from: Rossfan on July 18, 2011, 09:33:37 PM
Quote from: galwayman on July 18, 2011, 09:18:49 PM
I felt Ros were the architects of their own downfall with their tactics in the first half.Time and again they kept soloing and handpassing out of defence and then losing it before it got anywhere near the danger area.In conditions like that and playing with a gale force wind behind them surely they should have been letting the ball into the full forward line early and often.
Mayo used the elements far better. Several times they just launched the ball into the ff line and ended up getting frees that won them the game. Ros should have been more direct. They seemed to be very reliant on Donie Shine - even more so given that Kilbride had an off day.
We were obsessed with flutin around hand passing and soloing when it sould have been long and direct with a gale behind us in the first half. Also we should have gone with 6 forwards lined out in the traditional manner so that there was always bodies to aim long clearances at.
Overall defence and midfield was sound enough but it was back to 2010 as far as forwards were concerned i.e Donie on his own.
We were very very poor going forward in the second half.
Yet bad and all as we played and despite all the silly errors we could still have sneaked it.... but maybe it will be more beneficial in the long run. Mind you it was hard to think of that coming out of the Hyde yesterday .
Why did the Connachtn Council have to send all the way to Cork for that Collins. They could have found a ref every bit as bloody bad nearer home. Talk about decisions favouring the "big" teams .... >:(
What big team did Collins favour yesterday???
I m still trying to get my head around yesterdays match and around the whole Connacht championship to be honest. I can t remember Mayo beating both Galway and Ros in the one summer and being not much the wiser. If you did that back in the day you could look forward to the next game with some degree of optimism but this year ..... well there s an unreal feel about it. Probably due to the conditions the games were played in and the subdued atmosphere at the games. They weren t a bit like a summer championship.
As regards the Roscommon tactics yesterday I think people are being a bit simplistic about what Ros was supposed to do with the gale. Typically Spillane will say that they should have hoofed the ball long and often but most people know better. With that gale most of that ball would be uncontrollable and skid out of play and just kill time. More 'measured' attempts to find the inside forwards with shorter kicks were cut out by the covering defender - usually Higgins. Where I would have been critical of Ros is that a few guys could have got shots off earlier when they had the wind but seemed to be reluctant to have a cut themselves even when well within range. There was also a lack of urgency I thought and Shine just strolled out to take frees and 45s. As it turned out 4 points was not going to be enough unless at least 1 goal flew in in the second half. As it was Mayo never had to chase the lead and could be patient reeling it back. Apart from once or twice Mayo always kept their back covered in the second half. Both teams would have trained in mostly dry conditions and the ball would have been buzzing about. Mayo especially yesterday were trying to fling the ball about and naturally a lot of it was spilled. But you just have to accept that. Wet or not the game still will be played with much more intensity than in the spring and with players losing their feet and the ball like a bar of soap it was going to be messy. I would be less forgiving with some of the attempted pick-ups though
Going forward it is hard to know. Like the last 2 games we ll have to wait and see on the day but there are some concerns. I think most would agree that 3 and 6 are far from nailed down, notwithstanding how bad the conditions were. Another thing that puzzled me was how late McGarrity was introduced. If he was fit to take any part I would have expected him with 15 to go but maybe Horan was confident we could get the job done without him. I dunno. Maybe he s still badly crocked. While SOS was not as effective as against Galway it should be remember that he was injured going into that and may not be fully right. As well as that I doubt thre are many better midfield pairings than Ros left - especially on a day like that where very little could be done to split the two of them. But I dont think we can afford to have Doc, Freeman and CoC on the field if we re struggling in midfield. Hopefully Ronan will be fit to start the next day. With the likes of Darragh and McGrane gone Mcgarrity s time may well have come. He s the right age now and could be one of the dominant midfielders about.
I also regret that our games were not played in better conditions where Freeman and Doherty especially could have got a few more scores and played themselves into a bit of confidence. We could also do with a Brian McGuigan type at 11. Yesterday O Connor played a few lovely cushioned passes off the laces and he will be our 11 before long I think. The quick free to Kevin McLoughlin that resulted in the point before half time was excellent from both. An invaluable score and coming from 2 of the younger lads.
QuoteLooking for another handy one KM!!
If they were all so handy to win why have Cork only got 7 :D :D
Quote from: Tatler Jack on July 18, 2011, 08:32:39 PM
Not too disappointed - we are improving, the players battled hard and we made mistakes that you get away with in Div 4. If players and management learn from the mistakes then it might serve us better in the long run than sneaking a win.
Interestingly, I came to the same conclusion yesterday evening also, Tatler.
Well done to Mayo who I thought deserved their win, with a performance where they dug in, battled well and worked hard for each other throughout.
While the game saw some bizarre reffing decisions, Ros made too many errors throughout and lacked the experience to change their approach on the hoof as the game unfolded. The worrying signs during the Leitrim game that our delivery into the forwards was lacking became more evident yesterday, albeit in much worse weather conditions. Our bench was nowhere near strong enough to be effective, unfortunately, unlike Mayo's. It's a steep learning curve for us at this stage, but i'm hopeful we'll have the wherewithal to bounce back and play a more direct game, with Cregger & Wardie's etc attacking qualities being used to mix things up a bit more the next day out.
As for Mayo, they seem to have developed a battling, tenacious quality to their game this year which is always a good sign in a team. If they can get their FF line more involved and contributing from play, and also sort out the FB difficulties evident yesterday, they could well surprise the naysayers and give a good account of themselves in the quarters yet.
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on July 17, 2011, 10:45:47 PM
anyone any stats on wides/frees/kickouts won etc.???
Wides Roscommon 9 Mayo 7
Frees awarded Roscommon 20 Mayo 23
Midfield clean/breaks won Roscommon 21 Mayo 14
Scoring chances Roscommon 11/24 Mayo 13/23
Quote from: Kerry Mike on July 18, 2011, 10:23:16 PM
QuoteLooking for another handy one KM!!
If they were all so handy to win why have Cork only got 7 :D :D
Don't know KM - you should ask a Cork man. Maybe for the same reason that ye have only one hurling AI!!!
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 19, 2011, 03:58:09 AM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on July 17, 2011, 10:45:47 PM
anyone any stats on wides/frees/kickouts won etc.???
Wides Roscommon 9 Mayo 7
Frees awarded Roscommon 20 Mayo 23
Midfield clean/breaks won Roscommon 21 Mayo 14
Scoring chances Roscommon 11/24 Mayo 13/23
Where did you get those Stats?
Quote from: AbbeySider on July 19, 2011, 10:08:32 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 19, 2011, 03:58:09 AM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on July 17, 2011, 10:45:47 PM
anyone any stats on wides/frees/kickouts won etc.???
Wides Roscommon 9 Mayo 7
Frees awarded Roscommon 20 Mayo 23
Midfield clean/breaks won Roscommon 21 Mayo 14
Scoring chances Roscommon 11/24 Mayo 13/23
Where did you get those Stats?
Them stats are what TV3 had at end of match
Quote from: spuds on July 19, 2011, 10:22:59 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on July 19, 2011, 10:08:32 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 19, 2011, 03:58:09 AM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on July 17, 2011, 10:45:47 PM
anyone any stats on wides/frees/kickouts won etc.???
Wides Roscommon 9 Mayo 7
Frees awarded Roscommon 20 Mayo 23
Midfield clean/breaks won Roscommon 21 Mayo 14
Scoring chances Roscommon 11/24 Mayo 13/23
Where did you get those Stats?
Them stats are what TV3 had at end of match
Bit surprised at the midfield stat - I didn't think it was 60/40 in favour of Ros. I thought they won more clean ball than we did, but that we more than held our own on breaks.
They didn't give a stat for turnovers did they?
Quote from: Tubberman on July 19, 2011, 10:30:00 AM
Quote from: spuds on July 19, 2011, 10:22:59 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on July 19, 2011, 10:08:32 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 19, 2011, 03:58:09 AM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on July 17, 2011, 10:45:47 PM
anyone any stats on wides/frees/kickouts won etc.???
Wides Roscommon 9 Mayo 7
Frees awarded Roscommon 20 Mayo 23
Midfield clean/breaks won Roscommon 21 Mayo 14
Scoring chances Roscommon 11/24 Mayo 13/23
Where did you get those Stats?
Them stats are what TV3 had at end of match
Bit surprised at the midfield stat - I didn't think it was 60/40 in favour of Ros. I thought they won more clean ball than we did, but that we more than held our own on breaks.
They didn't give a stat for turnovers did they?
I'm not surprised by that midfield stat at all. We didn't do nearly as well at midfield as we did against Galway. But we did harry and hassle around there and I think you could be right about turnovers - we picked off a good few of them
I find those stats very interesting indeed.
For starters, I was struck by the low number of wides.
Given the conditions, it was remarkable that both teams had so few of them.
The number of frees awarded were more or less the same for each side. A total of 43 wasn't remarkable either. With players slipping and sliding all over the place, Collins could have awarded a lot more. I didn't notice particular bias in his decisions—I felt he should have made more allowances for the conditions and let the game flow a bit more. Maybe he was right to blow up early at times to stop a free for all developing; he was a lot closer to the action than I was. Under the circumstances, I think he did an adequate job.
I also think the midfield stats are fairly accurate. Roscommon won more possession in this sector but Mayo made better use of the it when they won it.
Changed times indeed. Maybe I m reading too much into it but those stats might be an indication that things are changing for the better. Not too long a ago Mayo used to have to dominate midfield to have any chance of winning. In fact on occasion back in the pomp of Willie Joe, The Big Man, TJ and Maher we d sometimes lose after lording it 70/30ish such was our recklessness with the ball. Days like 93 we could hold our own in midfield but get punished by 20 points like we did v Cork due to complete clueness as regards selection and tactics and bad preparation.
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 19, 2011, 03:58:09 AM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on July 17, 2011, 10:45:47 PM
anyone any stats on wides/frees/kickouts won etc.???
Wides Roscommon 9 Mayo 7
Frees awarded Roscommon 20 Mayo 23
Midfield clean/breaks won Roscommon 21 Mayo 14
Scoring chances Roscommon 11/24 Mayo 13/23
Depressing stats from a Rossie point of view in terms of poor use of possession but on a positive it does show we were competitive and with more intelligent play the next day (and hopefully better weather) we could score alot more. I think if there was a stat for midfield turnovers Mayo would score highly as they surrounded Finneran effectively many times when we won clean ball without fouling him resulting in him having to cough up possession.
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 19, 2011, 03:58:09 AM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on July 17, 2011, 10:45:47 PM
anyone any stats on wides/frees/kickouts won etc.???
Wides Roscommon 9 Mayo 7
Frees awarded Roscommon 20 Mayo 23
Midfield clean/breaks won Roscommon 21 Mayo 14
Scoring chances Roscommon 11/24 Mayo 13/23
Disappointing when you see stats like those, i'd say of all the midfielders Finneran won the most clean ball, far cry from 2009 when he couldn't cope with the Mayo midfield & was taken off on 50mins. In the end lack of discipline (especially from a certain sub) cost us the game.
Can anyone fill in the missing Mayo Connacht final winning captains?
1981 - Martin Carney
1985 - Henry Gavin
1988 - ???
1989 - Jimmy Browne
1992 - Kevin Beirne
1993 - ???
1996 - Noel Connelly
1997 - Noel Connelly
1999 - Kenneth Mortimer
2004 - Fergal Costello/Gary Ruane
2006 - David Heaney
2009 - Trevor Mortimer
2011 - Alan Dillon
TJ Kilgallon one of the years?
Quote from: StoneWall on July 19, 2011, 03:09:51 PM
Can anyone fill in the missing Mayo Connacht final winning captains?
1981 - Martin Carney
1985 - Henry Gavin
1988 - ???
1989 - Jimmy Browne
1992 - Kevin Beirne
1993 - ???
1996 - Noel Connelly
1997 - Noel Connelly
1999 - Kenneth Mortimer
2004 - Fergal Costello/Gary Ruane
2006 - David Heaney
2009 - Trevor Mortimer
2011 - Alan Dillon
I think 1993 might have been Peter Butler (Knockmore won the county championship in '92) but he was injured, not sure who deputised.
I think Ballina won the championship in '87 so I presume it was a townie who was captain in '88 - McStay? Browne? McHale?
Quote from: ross4life on July 19, 2011, 03:23:59 PM
TJ Kilgallon one of the years?
I can't recall if he did or not. Dermot Flanagan also crossed my mind as being a winning captain. I'll have to go to the attic for the old programmes!
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 19, 2011, 03:26:26 PM
I think 1993 might have been Peter Butler (Knockmore won the county championship in '92) but he was injured, not sure who deputised.
I think Ballina won the championship in '87 so I presume it was a townie who was captain in '88 - McStay? Browne? McHale?
I thought it may have been Peter Butler in 1993 but not sure. I didn't think Mayo ever used the county champions captaincy rule?
The following were the teams if it triggers anyone's memory...
FINAL: Roscommon 0-8 Mayo 1-12 (Hyde Park, 24/7/1988). MAYO: E Lavin; J Browne, M Collins, D Kearney; F Noone, D Flanagan (0-2 from frees), J Finn; TJ Kilgallon (0-1), S Maher; M Butler (0-1, a free), L McHale (0-1), N Durcan (0-1); T Reilly (1-1), T Morgan, M Carney (0-4). Subs: J Burke (0-1) for Morgan, WJ Padden for Carney.
Was it Frank Noone or Denis Kearney?
FINAL: Roscommon 0-7 Mayo 1-5 (Hyde Park, 25/7/1993). MAYO: G Irwin; K Beirne, K Cahill, D Flanagan; A McGarry, P Holmes, J Finn; L McHale, S Maher; K O'Neill (0-3, one a free), K Staunton (0-1), T Morley; N Durcan, R Dempsey (1-1), PJ Loftus. Subs: TJ Kilgallon for Finn, A Finnerty for Loftus, T Tierney for Morley.
Looks like Peter Butler played no part in 1993.
PB broke his leg in '93 I think but as far as I know, he was captain.
no presentation pic, but some action shots from that final. http://www.inpho.ie/assignment/xA39zZ0IHyVzMT7V88BTLw..a (http://www.inpho.ie/assignment/xA39zZ0IHyVzMT7V88BTLw..a)
One of them has a load of boys sitting on the roof of the small terrace roof on the roadside of the Hyde, they wouldn't have last a minute the last day up there
An Spailpín has a picture from the match that gives an idea how strong the wind was: http://spailpin.blogspot.com/ (http://spailpin.blogspot.com/)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-uJzAftZ0Y3o/TiM3RHSkvhI/AAAAAAAACIY/ZpmLXzV-ioc/s1600/HydePark20110717.jpg)
Quote from: spuds on July 19, 2011, 10:22:59 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on July 19, 2011, 10:08:32 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 19, 2011, 03:58:09 AM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on July 17, 2011, 10:45:47 PM
anyone any stats on wides/frees/kickouts won etc.???
Wides Roscommon 9 Mayo 7
Frees awarded Roscommon 20 Mayo 23
Midfield clean/breaks won Roscommon 21 Mayo 14
Scoring chances Roscommon 11/24 Mayo 13/23
Where did you get those Stats?
Them stats are what TV3 had at end of match
Yes TV3. A few more & they concern the Ref Michael Collins, Yellow cards Roscommon 6 Mayo 6 can you remember a bad foul? common sense was needed in conditions like that. 38mins was played in the 1st half the ball was only in play for 17mins goes to show Collins never let the game flow, don't have the 2nd half stats but i guess it's more or less the same.
I see two Duffy's from Sligo are refs this weekend why wasn't one of them the ref in Connacht final?
Peter was captain alright in '93, maybe Frank noone in '88 and John Finn in '93
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 19, 2011, 08:54:45 PM
Peter was captain alright in '93, maybe Frank noone in '88 and John Finn in '93
Nearly certain it was Flanagan in 1988. Went off injured in the semi final as I recall.
Quote from: muscles magoo on July 19, 2011, 09:07:20 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 19, 2011, 08:54:45 PM
Peter was captain alright in '93, maybe Frank noone in '88 and John Finn in '93
Nearly certain it was Flanagan in 1988. Went off injured in the semi final as I recall.
I m sure it was Flanagan in 88 also. Yeah he took a blow to the head v Meath. But I thought Peter Forde was captain in 92 and led the heave against Brian McDonald? I have no memory of Kevin Beirne ever captaining the side. He was hardly ever a nailed down certainty to start championship.
Peter Forde was the players' spokesman in the revolt against Brian McDonald. He was the captain at that time alright. I'm nearly sure Flanagan was captain in '88 but I'll need to check it out with a friend who's a mad Mayo follower and collector of memorabilia before I'd put money on it. I'm sure he will have an old programme or two lying about the place.
Kevin Beirne defo captained mayo, and I think lifted the nestor
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 19, 2011, 10:35:02 PM
Kevin Beirne defo captained mayo, and I think lifted the nestor
I'm fairly sure Kevin Beirne was captain in 1993. But if anyone read Martan Ó Ciardha's piece in the program last Sunday, record keeping isn't always given the attention it deserves.
Dermot Flanagan captained ye in '88 against Ros all right.
There was a fair Ballagh contingent on board that year including Durks, and the probably lesser remembered Tom Morgan, who had a short enough ic career and started at FF that day.
And of course ye were managed on the day by the Ballagh resident Johnno also.
So the correct captains and years are Dermot Flanagan 88, Peter Forde 92 and Kevin Beirne 93. Strange one Beirne being captain.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Ford_(Gaelic_footballer)
Not sure who updates these pages so havent a clue if its accurate.
Peter Forde was captain in 1992 and followed by Kevin Beirne in 1993 according to wikipedia!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Ford_(Gaelic_footballer)
So the correct list is:
1981 - Martin Carney
1985 - Henry Gavin
1988 - Dermot Flanagan
1989 - Jimmy Browne
1992 - Peter Forde
1993 - Kevin Beirne
1996 - Noel Connelly
1997 - Noel Connelly
1999 - Kenneth Mortimer
2004 - Fergal Costello/Gary Ruane
2006 - David Heaney
2009 - Trevor Mortimer
2011 - Alan Dillon
Quote from: StoneWall on July 20, 2011, 09:03:55 AM
So the correct list is:
1981 - Martin Carney
1985 - Henry Gavin
1988 - Dermot Flanagan
1989 - Jimmy Browne
1992 - Peter Forde
1993 - Peter Butler/Kevin Beirne
1996 - Noel Connelly
1997 - Noel Connelly
1999 - Kenneth Mortimer
2004 - Fergal Costello/Gary Ruane
2006 - David Heaney
2009 - Trevor Mortimer
2011 - Alan Dillon
Is it only me or have Mayo got 43 Connacht titles instead of 42?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 20, 2011, 01:32:48 PM
Is it only me or have Mayo got 43 Connacht titles instead of 42?
Hard to tell? they count 1904,1939 even though these titles weren't won.
Yes, Mayo are up to 43 now, the program on Sunday incorrectly said we only had 41 before this year.
Anyone know where (if anywhere) the match is available to view online? Usually one of the stations have it up but all I can find are highlights packages.
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 19, 2011, 06:50:57 PM
Quote from: spuds on July 19, 2011, 10:22:59 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on July 19, 2011, 10:08:32 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 19, 2011, 03:58:09 AM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on July 17, 2011, 10:45:47 PM
anyone any stats on wides/frees/kickouts won etc.???
Wides Roscommon 9 Mayo 7
Frees awarded Roscommon 20 Mayo 23
Midfield clean/breaks won Roscommon 21 Mayo 14
Scoring chances Roscommon 11/24 Mayo 13/23
Where did you get those Stats?
Them stats are what TV3 had at end of match
Yes TV3. A few more & they concern the Ref Michael Collins, Yellow cards Roscommon 6 Mayo 6 can you remember a bad foul? common sense was needed in conditions like that. 38mins was played in the 1st half the ball was only in play for 17mins goes to show Collins never let the game flow, don't have the 2nd half stats but i guess it's more or less the same.
I see two Duffy's from Sligo are refs this weekend why wasn't one of them the ref in Connacht final?
Indeed , why send to Cork for a dodgy ref when we have 2 homegrown ones next door :-\
12 yellows was a disgrace in that game >:( The one that totally appalled me was the one given to Kilbride for tackling a Mwr defender .... doubtful if it was a free at all but a fcukin card offence ...NEVER
Was Kilbride injured in first half ? He was very quiet after getting his early point, seemed to pull out a few times which is criminal for a big buck like him.
Quote from: spuds on July 20, 2011, 11:00:41 PM
Was Kilbride injured in first half ? He was very quiet after getting his early point, seemed to pull out a few times which is criminal for a big buck like him.
Shoulder injury & he's doubtful for the next game.
Quote from: ross4life on July 20, 2011, 11:18:57 PM
Quote from: spuds on July 20, 2011, 11:00:41 PM
Was Kilbride injured in first half ? He was very quiet after getting his early point, seemed to pull out a few times which is criminal for a big buck like him.
Shoulder injury & he's doubtful for the next game.
A real shame as would like to see him and Shine together injury free, he is a serious talent but so unlucky with injuries.
Quote from: ross4life on July 20, 2011, 11:18:57 PM
Quote from: spuds on July 20, 2011, 11:00:41 PM
Was Kilbride injured in first half ? He was very quiet after getting his early point, seemed to pull out a few times which is criminal for a big buck like him.
Shoulder injury & he's doubtful for the next game.
He was being treated for it at one stage in the first half.
I believe he was pretty bad after tha game.
Should KM have been moved forward to replace Senan early in the second with Kenny or Shaq coming in to midfield?
Quote from: Rossfan on July 21, 2011, 11:04:56 AM
Quote from: ross4life on July 20, 2011, 11:18:57 PM
Quote from: spuds on July 20, 2011, 11:00:41 PM
Was Kilbride injured in first half ? He was very quiet after getting his early point, seemed to pull out a few times which is criminal for a big buck like him.
Shoulder injury & he's doubtful for the next game.
He was being treated for it at one stage in the first half.
I believe he was pretty bad after tha game.
Should KM have been moved forward to replace Senan early in the second with Kenny or Shaq coming in to midfield?
Moving Mannion to full-forward would have hurt us and it was a day for O'Neill at midfield too. Surprised those changes weren't made.