Roscommon v Mayo Connacht final 2011

[Farrandeelin]

Drawing with and then beating Wexford after the disaster at Castlebar were 2 very significant games .
Showed we had character and perseverance and no fear of failure.
We are preparing quietly and hope to give a good account of ourselves in the CF. Let's see where that brings us.... but I won't be surprised if we have a Plan B up the sleeve for coping with the 6 day turnaround if we lose.

I won't be surprised at all if it's Mayo that have to face the 6 day turnaround.

[Beard]

The difference IMO between the sides is Mayo could play as poorly as they did v London & still win while Roscommon could play their best championship game for 10 years but still lose.

Maybe I'm just a bit slow but I don't understand what the above statement is trying to prove/say.........

At the moment Mayo are a level ahead of Roscommon & sometimes better teams can play poorly but still win & it's rare that happens with the underdog.

I hope I'm wrong as i would always follow the underdog & a win for Roscommon here would be their most significant victory for over a decade.

Okay, I think I'm fairly clear about what you are getting at which is a relief.

First point - Mayo could play as poorly as they did v London & still win.

Correct, if Roscommon play really badly.

Second point -  Roscommon could play their best championship game for 10 years but still lose.

Correct again...but only if Mayo play well.

Third point - Mayo are a level ahead of Roscommon -

Once again correct. Mayo are in Division 1, Roscommon inhabit(ed) Division 4. I wasn't previously aware of this fact.

Fourth point - sometimes better teams can play poorly but still win & it's rare that happens with the underdog.

Yet again you are correct.  Underdogs are not as good as favorites. Usually because they are in a lower division or don't beat many other teams.

Fifth point - a win for Roscommon here would be their most significant victory for over a decade.

Preamble over, into the meat of it now. Key point here is we are going back over a decade, so back to 2000. We have won 2 Connacht titles during this time. Both wins ended 9 and 10 year waits for Connacht titles. I don't know about you but for me as a life long Roscommon supporter I would describe both of these wins as significant.  I'd love to know why winning the Connacht Final this year would be anymore significant than winning the Connacht Final, say.... I don't know...last year.  Obviously given the ground breaking analysis in points 1 to 4 above I will have accept your findings and concur that this will indeed be Roscommon's most significant win since .....(why stop at 2000).......1944.

[Blowitupref]

The difference IMO between the sides is Mayo could play as poorly as they did v London & still win while Roscommon could play their best championship game for 10 years but still lose.

Maybe I'm just a bit slow but I don't understand what the above statement is trying to prove/say.........

At the moment Mayo are a level ahead of Roscommon & sometimes better teams can play poorly but still win & it's rare that happens with the underdog.

I hope I'm wrong as i would always follow the underdog & a win for Roscommon here would be their most significant victory for over a decade.

Okay, I think I'm fairly clear about what you are getting at which is a relief.

First point - Mayo could play as poorly as they did v London & still win.

Correct, if Roscommon play really badly.

Second point -  Roscommon could play their best championship game for 10 years but still lose.

Correct again...but only if Mayo play well.

Third point - Mayo are a level ahead of Roscommon -

Once again correct. Mayo are in Division 1, Roscommon inhabit(ed) Division 4. I wasn't previously aware of this fact.

Fourth point - sometimes better teams can play poorly but still win & it's rare that happens with the underdog.

Yet again you are correct.  Underdogs are not as good as favorites. Usually because they are in a lower division or don't beat many other teams.

Fifth point - a win for Roscommon here would be their most significant victory for over a decade.

Preamble over, into the meat of it now. Key point here is we are going back over a decade, so back to 2000. We have won 2 Connacht titles during this time. Both wins ended 9 and 10 year waits for Connacht titles. I don't know about you but for me as a life long Roscommon supporter I would describe both of these wins as significant.  I'd love to know why winning the Connacht Final this year would be anymore significant than winning the Connacht Final, say.... I don't know...last year.  Obviously given the ground breaking analysis in points 1 to 4 above I will have accept your findings and concur that this will indeed be Roscommon's most significant win since .....(why stop at 2000).......1944.

Maybe i should have said just a decade (10 years) instead of over a decade then? however looking back 2001 was nothing more than a false dawn, indiscipline behind the scenes & choice of poor Managers cost you the chance to progress from that significant victory.

Yes last year was significant getting the 9 year monkey off your back however this year would be more noticeably & likely to have more of a influence if you can beat Mayo & the next step after that would be to win a game in Croke park.

Finally ease off on the sarcasm like a good chap.

[Lar Naparka]

This is what i said back in October.

As Rossie the target for us in the next 12 month's would be St Brigid's winning Connacht, Roscommon Senior's getting promotion & making a Connacht final & Connacht title for one of our under-aged team's! anything else will be a bonus

Just one Minor win away from achieving that target & of course winning a Connacht senior title would be added bonus but not the end of the world if we don't.

That's a pretty reasonable statement, IMO but I think you may be downplaying the significance of a senior win.
When, if ever, did Roscommon win back-to-back Connacht titles?
Given the years of turmoil and unrest that preceded his appointment, Fergie managed to steer Roscommon to a Connacht title win. This was a fine achievement by any standards but it was all the more remarkable because of Roscommon's dismal League performance.
By comparison, Mayo topped Division One and had their worst Championship campaign in living memory. This year ye operated in an even lower division than last year and are back within sight of the Connacht title once again. Last year's win mightn't mean that much to you hard-to-please lot because: A) you got to the final via the easiest possible and B) you didn't meet either of your Big Bad Neighbours in it. (Absolutely no offence meant, Sligonian!  )
Surely a win this year against either Galway or Mayo means something to ye all?
Rollox to your minors; don't tell me ye aren't bothered about a senior win!
Listen; ye shower could out beal bocht us any day!
We had good reason to feel worried coming up to the Galway match: an indifferent league run that followed on from last year's championship debacle and a cat performance against London gave us no reason to feel upbeat about our chances in McHale Park. But the win against Galway certainly marked progress for our side and ye can forget about white feathers when we meet.
I'm not all that hard to please; a great game followed by a win of any calibre will make me one happy bunny.

[ross4life]

That's a pretty reasonable statement, IMO but I think you may be downplaying the significance of a senior win.
When, if ever, did Roscommon win back-to-back Connacht titles?

We have a fine history of winning back-to-back Connacht Senior titles (check it out it might worry you)

Given the years of turmoil and unrest that preceded his appointment, Fergie managed to steer Roscommon to a Connacht title win. This was a fine achievement by any standards but it was all the more remarkable because of Roscommon's dismal League performance.
By comparison, Mayo topped Division One and had their worst Championship campaign in living memory.

Indeed it was a fine achievement by fergie last year. i have seen worse Mayo campaigns & have also seen Mayo win Connacht titles from the platform of lower divisions.

Surely a win this year against either Galway or Mayo means something to ye all?
Rollox to your minors; don't tell me ye aren't bothered about a senior win!

Yes it with mean alot..it will mean significant progress but i'm looking at the wider picture where we need to getting to Connacht finals on a regular basis & obviously winning or fare share.

Listen; ye shower could out beal bocht us any day!

And likewise we have good reason to feel worried coming up to the this final the performances v Longford,Fermanagh,Clare,Wicklow are still fresh in the memory & yes since then we got a fine win in Carrick or best for years but come July 17th that will be 6 weeks ago & Leitrim will have shipped equalling heavy defeat.

[ballinaman]

Drawing with and then beating Wexford after the disaster at Castlebar were 2 very significant games .
Showed we had character and perseverance and no fear of failure.
We are preparing quietly and hope to give a good account of ourselves in the CF. Let's see where that brings us.... but I won't be surprised if we have a Plan B up the sleeve for coping with the 6 day turnaround if we lose.

I won't be surprised at all if it's Mayo that have to face the 6 day turnaround.

I'll be surprised when the day comes that you'll fancy Mayo going into a game 

[muppet]

That's a pretty reasonable statement, IMO but I think you may be downplaying the significance of a senior win.
When, if ever, did Roscommon win back-to-back Connacht titles?

We have a fine history of winning back-to-back Connacht Senior titles (check it out it might worry you)

Given the years of turmoil and unrest that preceded his appointment, Fergie managed to steer Roscommon to a Connacht title win. This was a fine achievement by any standards but it was all the more remarkable because of Roscommon's dismal League performance.
By comparison, Mayo topped Division One and had their worst Championship campaign in living memory.

Indeed it was a fine achievement by fergie last year. i have seen worse Mayo campaigns & have also seen Mayo win Connacht titles from the platform of lower divisions.

Surely a win this year against either Galway or Mayo means something to ye all?
Rollox to your minors; don't tell me ye aren't bothered about a senior win!

Yes it with mean alot..it will mean significant progress but i'm looking at the wider picture where we need to getting to Connacht finals on a regular basis & obviously winning or fare share.

Listen; ye shower could out beal bocht us any day!

And likewise we have good reason to feel worried coming up to the this final the performances v Longford,Fermanagh,Clare,Wicklow are still fresh in the memory & yes since then we got a fine win in Carrick or best for years but come July 17th that will be 6 weeks ago & Leitrim will have shipped equalling heavy defeat.

Mayo were in Division 3 in 1996.

[Rossfan]

When, if ever, did Roscommon win back-to-back Connacht titles?

In case you haven't taken Ross4life's advice and checked it out :-
43/44 , 46/47 , 52/53 , 61/62 , 77/78/79/80 , 91/92 ...........

[Tubberman]

When, if ever, did Roscommon win back-to-back Connacht titles?

In case you haven't taken Ross4life's advice and checked it out :-
43/44 , 46/47 , 52/53 , 61/62 , 77/78/79/80 , 91/92 ...........

It was 90/91 
Book-ended by Mayo wins in 89 where we got to the final against Cork, and 92 where we lost a terrible semi v Donegal.

[Rossfan]

Good to see ya chaecked.
We should have done the 4 in a row again to save ye the embarassment 

[Tubberman]

Good to see ya chaecked.
We should have done the 4 in a row again to save ye the embarassment 

There was no embarrassment in 89! Well, bar the song that was released maybe 

[Rossfan]

no embarrassment in 89! Well, bar the song that was released maybe 

Was that the wailin " Maaaayo , Maaayo , Sam Maguire is going home(sic sic sic) to Maaaaaayo " 

[Tubberman]

no embarrassment in 89! Well, bar the song that was released maybe 

Was that the wailin " Maaaayo , Maaayo , Sam Maguire is going home(sic sic sic) to Maaaaaayo " 

No, that was our 96 offering to the charts. An old teacher of mine was involved in that actually.

In 89 it was something about Willie Joe lepping out of the cot and onto his mother's lap or something... I can't remember, I was only 9 myself.

[stephenite]

1989 was 'Doc Carroll'

'Right boys fight boys, steady as a rock, we'll win the Sam Maguire and we'll fly him home to knock'

Diddley eye die diddley etc.

[the Deel Rover]

1989 was 'Doc Carroll'

'Right boys fight boys, steady as a rock, we'll win the Sam Maguire and we'll fly him home to knock'

Diddley eye die diddley etc.

they just don't write them like that no more