So can Dublin the raging hot favourites reach there first All Ireland final since 1995 or will Donegal shock the Dubs like they did in 1992?
A truely mouthwatering encounter in prospect. Can't wait.
Two completly contrasting styles that are not likely to allow a repeat of yesterdays fantastic open honest game. btw I thought Dublin were sublime yesterday against Tyrone. But it was clear that the Tyrone 15 included many heavy legs that were unable to match Dublin's speed and fitness, Donegal don't suffer that problem. In the past I would have queried Donegal's fittness in crunch games but their display against the hyper-fit Kildare has removed any such concerns.
I see the game as being much less spectacular that yesterday's and a lot closer. Score will be at a premiem.
Too close for me to call but if someone were to give me £100 that I had to wager I would opt for the machine-like approach of the young Donegal boys.
I actually think this will be a hugely entertaining game for some reason.
Well we'll be going in as underdogs again, just like the Kildare and Tyrone matches. Looks a big step up, based on yesterday, however. There's no way in hell Dublin will knock over 20 points from play against us, but I would be worried about midfield, where Dublin totally outclassed Tyrone for most of the game and our attack, where we will find scores hard to come by against a good Dublin defence. Kildare cleaned us out at midfield for long stretches, although we dominated there for a couple of periods, enough to keep us in the game and ultimately win it. O'Carroll did very well on Murphy in the U-21 final last year and I'd expect Dublin to have two or three men around him again whenever the ball comes in. We will benefit from the hype which is sure to build up now around Dublin, especially if Mayo manage to surprise Kerry. And if Dublin can reproduce yesterday's form, we will be up against it. That said, we can all think of numerous occasions over the years when teams have gone on to struggle after spectacular performances. So I think we have a decent chance, as long as we defend with as much discipline as we have to date, compete well enough for the breaks and Murphy can win enough ball up front. Gilroy will no doubt have his B team packing their half of the field in their practice matches and will have his homework done, but I'm sure McGuinness will be hard at work too. Will definitely be an interesting tactical battle.
Really looking forward to this one. Something has to give, the question is what exactly?
It'll be like watching a dog try to figure out a hedgehog.
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It'll be like watching a dog try to figure out a hedgehog.
:D
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Well we'll be going in as underdogs again, just like the Kildare and Tyrone matches. Looks a big step up, based on yesterday, however. There's no way in hell Dublin will knock over 20 points from play against us, but I would be worried about midfield, where Dublin totally outclassed Tyrone for most of the game and our attack, where we will find scores hard to come by against a good Dublin defence. Kildare cleaned us out at midfield for long stretches, although we dominated there for a couple of periods, enough to keep us in the game and ultimately win it. O'Carroll did very well on Murphy in the U-21 final last year and I'd expect Dublin to have two or three men around him again whenever the ball comes in. We will benefit from the hype which is sure to build up now around Dublin, especially if Mayo manage to surprise Kerry. And if Dublin can reproduce yesterday's form, we will be up against it. That said, we can all think of numerous occasions over the years when teams have gone on to struggle after spectacular performances. So I think we have a decent chance, as long as we defend with as much discipline as we have to date, compete well enough for the breaks and Murphy can win enough ball up front. Gilroy will no doubt have his B team packing their half of the field in their practice matches and will have his homework done, but I'm sure McGuinness will be hard at work too. Will definitely be an interesting tactical battle.
Surely the reason Dublin will have all them extra players around Murphy will be because Donegal won't have enough players forward for them to mark??
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Quote from: J70 on August 07, 2011, 01:49:48 PM
Well we'll be going in as underdogs again, just like the Kildare and Tyrone matches. Looks a big step up, based on yesterday, however. There's no way in hell Dublin will knock over 20 points from play against us, but I would be worried about midfield, where Dublin totally outclassed Tyrone for most of the game and our attack, where we will find scores hard to come by against a good Dublin defence. Kildare cleaned us out at midfield for long stretches, although we dominated there for a couple of periods, enough to keep us in the game and ultimately win it. O'Carroll did very well on Murphy in the U-21 final last year and I'd expect Dublin to have two or three men around him again whenever the ball comes in. We will benefit from the hype which is sure to build up now around Dublin, especially if Mayo manage to surprise Kerry. And if Dublin can reproduce yesterday's form, we will be up against it. That said, we can all think of numerous occasions over the years when teams have gone on to struggle after spectacular performances. So I think we have a decent chance, as long as we defend with as much discipline as we have to date, compete well enough for the breaks and Murphy can win enough ball up front. Gilroy will no doubt have his B team packing their half of the field in their practice matches and will have his homework done, but I'm sure McGuinness will be hard at work too. Will definitely be an interesting tactical battle.
Surely the reason Dublin will have all them extra players around Murphy will be because Donegal won't have enough players forward for them to mark??
If Donegal just lump long ball up the field from a defensive position, that would certainly be the case. But are you saying that Dublin won't flood back when Donegal build by handpassing out of defense? They looked to have numerous men in there yesterday when Tyrone forwards got on the ball, especially in the first half.
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Quote from: J70 on August 07, 2011, 01:49:48 PM
Well we'll be going in as underdogs again, just like the Kildare and Tyrone matches. Looks a big step up, based on yesterday, however. There's no way in hell Dublin will knock over 20 points from play against us, but I would be worried about midfield, where Dublin totally outclassed Tyrone for most of the game and our attack, where we will find scores hard to come by against a good Dublin defence. Kildare cleaned us out at midfield for long stretches, although we dominated there for a couple of periods, enough to keep us in the game and ultimately win it. O'Carroll did very well on Murphy in the U-21 final last year and I'd expect Dublin to have two or three men around him again whenever the ball comes in. We will benefit from the hype which is sure to build up now around Dublin, especially if Mayo manage to surprise Kerry. And if Dublin can reproduce yesterday's form, we will be up against it. That said, we can all think of numerous occasions over the years when teams have gone on to struggle after spectacular performances. So I think we have a decent chance, as long as we defend with as much discipline as we have to date, compete well enough for the breaks and Murphy can win enough ball up front. Gilroy will no doubt have his B team packing their half of the field in their practice matches and will have his homework done, but I'm sure McGuinness will be hard at work too. Will definitely be an interesting tactical battle.
Surely the reason Dublin will have all them extra players around Murphy will be because Donegal won't have enough players forward for them to mark??
If Donegal just lump long ball up the field from a defensive position, that would certainly be the case. But are you saying that Dublin won't flood back when Donegal build by handpassing out of defense? They looked to have numerous men in there yesterday when Tyrone forwards got on the ball, especially in the first half.
They did have good numbers back when Tyrone attacked but you usually saw that it was the spare guys in the fullback line who were crowding around Mulligan etc when they came forward......Penrose spent very little time in the corner so Dub always had the spare guy usually Cian there at the back....The slower you build up the best for us as we would actually want you to move out of the defensive zone...
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Well we'll be going in as underdogs again, just like the Kildare and Tyrone matches. Looks a big step up, based on yesterday, however. There's no way in hell Dublin will knock over 20 points from play against us, but I would be worried about midfield, where Dublin totally outclassed Tyrone for most of the game and our attack, where we will find scores hard to come by against a good Dublin defence. Kildare cleaned us out at midfield for long stretches, although we dominated there for a couple of periods, enough to keep us in the game and ultimately win it. O'Carroll did very well on Murphy in the U-21 final last year and I'd expect Dublin to have two or three men around him again whenever the ball comes in. We will benefit from the hype which is sure to build up now around Dublin, especially if Mayo manage to surprise Kerry. And if Dublin can reproduce yesterday's form, we will be up against it. That said, we can all think of numerous occasions over the years when teams have gone on to struggle after spectacular performances. So I think we have a decent chance, as long as we defend with as much discipline as we have to date, compete well enough for the breaks and Murphy can win enough ball up front. Gilroy will no doubt have his B team packing their half of the field in their practice matches and will have his homework done, but I'm sure McGuinness will be hard at work too. Will definitely be an interesting tactical battle.
Surely the reason Dublin will have all them extra players around Murphy will be because Donegal won't have enough players forward for them to mark??
If Donegal just lump long ball up the field from a defensive position, that would certainly be the case. But are you saying that Dublin won't flood back when Donegal build by handpassing out of defense? They looked to have numerous men in there yesterday when Tyrone forwards got on the ball, especially in the first half.
Tyrone's gameplan was mindboggling. Short handpasses straight into contact. Tyrone's newer players yesterday simply werent up to it. Especially up front. SON on one leg is better then all their other forwards put togther.
I cant imagine Donegal tactically will make the same mistake. Only thing I would say the Dublin 21's completely dismantled Mc Guinness's system last year in the All-Ireland u21 Final. So the tactical battle will be interesting.
Donegal will be ravenously hungry. They havent won an all-ireland. They have some very good players but to win they have to win midfield.
I actually think they played their best football against Kildare when they came out and played.
The game itself is likely to be an awful spectacle for at least 40mins. Donegal's entire system is built on staying within 3-4 points of the opposition.
I think it will be Dublin toughest game of the year.
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Well we'll be going in as underdogs again, just like the Kildare and Tyrone matches. Looks a big step up, based on yesterday, however. There's no way in hell Dublin will knock over 20 points from play against us, but I would be worried about midfield, where Dublin totally outclassed Tyrone for most of the game and our attack, where we will find scores hard to come by against a good Dublin defence. Kildare cleaned us out at midfield for long stretches, although we dominated there for a couple of periods, enough to keep us in the game and ultimately win it. O'Carroll did very well on Murphy in the U-21 final last year and I'd expect Dublin to have two or three men around him again whenever the ball comes in. We will benefit from the hype which is sure to build up now around Dublin, especially if Mayo manage to surprise Kerry. And if Dublin can reproduce yesterday's form, we will be up against it. That said, we can all think of numerous occasions over the years when teams have gone on to struggle after spectacular performances. So I think we have a decent chance, as long as we defend with as much discipline as we have to date, compete well enough for the breaks and Murphy can win enough ball up front. Gilroy will no doubt have his B team packing their half of the field in their practice matches and will have his homework done, but I'm sure McGuinness will be hard at work too. Will definitely be an interesting tactical battle.
Surely the reason Dublin will have all them extra players around Murphy will be because Donegal won't have enough players forward for them to mark??
If Donegal just lump long ball up the field from a defensive position, that would certainly be the case. But are you saying that Dublin won't flood back when Donegal build by handpassing out of defense? They looked to have numerous men in there yesterday when Tyrone forwards got on the ball, especially in the first half.
They did have good numbers back when Tyrone attacked but you usually saw that it was the spare guys in the fullback line who were crowding around Mulligan etc when they came forward......Penrose spent very little time in the corner so Dub always had the spare guy usually Cian there at the back....The slower you build up the best for us as we would actually want you to move out of the defensive zone...
So Dublin DON'T pull their half-forwards and midfielders back when the opposition attacks? I know its easier to see how these systems work when you're actually at the game.
As for opening us up, I would think we'll keep an extra player or two back there at all times. You're probably not going to see Cassidy, Lacey, Thompson and McGlynn all charging forward at the same time, at least not if someone like McHugh or Hegarty hasn't slipped back to cover them.
Hoping the Dubs win this one! It'll be tight though, just think Dublin might have the edge in forward power and it might be the difference. Gonna be interesting though.
Donegal will be raging favourites, league champs, ulster champs and have serious momentum now...........................snuffed out serious all ireland contenders kildare with a half fit murphy and off form mcfadden..................
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Well we'll be going in as underdogs again, just like the Kildare and Tyrone matches. Looks a big step up, based on yesterday, however. There's no way in hell Dublin will knock over 20 points from play against us, but I would be worried about midfield, where Dublin totally outclassed Tyrone for most of the game and our attack, where we will find scores hard to come by against a good Dublin defence. Kildare cleaned us out at midfield for long stretches, although we dominated there for a couple of periods, enough to keep us in the game and ultimately win it. O'Carroll did very well on Murphy in the U-21 final last year and I'd expect Dublin to have two or three men around him again whenever the ball comes in. We will benefit from the hype which is sure to build up now around Dublin, especially if Mayo manage to surprise Kerry. And if Dublin can reproduce yesterday's form, we will be up against it. That said, we can all think of numerous occasions over the years when teams have gone on to struggle after spectacular performances. So I think we have a decent chance, as long as we defend with as much discipline as we have to date, compete well enough for the breaks and Murphy can win enough ball up front. Gilroy will no doubt have his B team packing their half of the field in their practice matches and will have his homework done, but I'm sure McGuinness will be hard at work too. Will definitely be an interesting tactical battle.
Surely the reason Dublin will have all them extra players around Murphy will be because Donegal won't have enough players forward for them to mark??
If Donegal just lump long ball up the field from a defensive position, that would certainly be the case. But are you saying that Dublin won't flood back when Donegal build by handpassing out of defense? They looked to have numerous men in there yesterday when Tyrone forwards got on the ball, especially in the first half.
Tyrone's gameplan was mindboggling. Short handpasses straight into contact. Tyrone's newer players yesterday simply werent up to it. Especially up front. SON on one leg is better then all their other forwards put togther.
I cant imagine Donegal tactically will make the same mistake. Only thing I would say the Dublin 21's completely dismantled Mc Guinness's system last year in the All-Ireland u21 Final. So the tactical battle will be interesting.
Donegal will be ravenously hungry. They havent won an all-ireland. They have some very good players but to win they have to win midfield.
I actually think they played their best football against Kildare when they came out and played.
The game itself is likely to be an awful spectacle for at least 40mins. Donegal's entire system is built on staying within 3-4 points of the opposition.
I think it will be Dublin toughest game of the year.
Murphy's missed penalty won the U21 title for Dublin last year what odds on him scoring a winning penalty this time?
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Well we'll be going in as underdogs again, just like the Kildare and Tyrone matches. Looks a big step up, based on yesterday, however. There's no way in hell Dublin will knock over 20 points from play against us, but I would be worried about midfield, where Dublin totally outclassed Tyrone for most of the game and our attack, where we will find scores hard to come by against a good Dublin defence. Kildare cleaned us out at midfield for long stretches, although we dominated there for a couple of periods, enough to keep us in the game and ultimately win it. O'Carroll did very well on Murphy in the U-21 final last year and I'd expect Dublin to have two or three men around him again whenever the ball comes in. We will benefit from the hype which is sure to build up now around Dublin, especially if Mayo manage to surprise Kerry. And if Dublin can reproduce yesterday's form, we will be up against it. That said, we can all think of numerous occasions over the years when teams have gone on to struggle after spectacular performances. So I think we have a decent chance, as long as we defend with as much discipline as we have to date, compete well enough for the breaks and Murphy can win enough ball up front. Gilroy will no doubt have his B team packing their half of the field in their practice matches and will have his homework done, but I'm sure McGuinness will be hard at work too. Will definitely be an interesting tactical battle.
Surely the reason Dublin will have all them extra players around Murphy will be because Donegal won't have enough players forward for them to mark??
If Donegal just lump long ball up the field from a defensive position, that would certainly be the case. But are you saying that Dublin won't flood back when Donegal build by handpassing out of defense? They looked to have numerous men in there yesterday when Tyrone forwards got on the ball, especially in the first half.
Tyrone's gameplan was mindboggling. Short handpasses straight into contact. Tyrone's newer players yesterday simply werent up to it. Especially up front. SON on one leg is better then all their other forwards put togther.
I cant imagine Donegal tactically will make the same mistake. Only thing I would say the Dublin 21's completely dismantled Mc Guinness's system last year in the All-Ireland u21 Final. So the tactical battle will be interesting.
Donegal will be ravenously hungry. They havent won an all-ireland. They have some very good players but to win they have to win midfield.
I actually think they played their best football against Kildare when they came out and played.
The game itself is likely to be an awful spectacle for at least 40mins. Donegal's entire system is built on staying within 3-4 points of the opposition.
I think it will be Dublin toughest game of the year.
Helped by half the Donegal team suffering from food poison.
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Quote from: J70 on August 07, 2011, 01:49:48 PM
Well we'll be going in as underdogs again, just like the Kildare and Tyrone matches. Looks a big step up, based on yesterday, however. There's no way in hell Dublin will knock over 20 points from play against us, but I would be worried about midfield, where Dublin totally outclassed Tyrone for most of the game and our attack, where we will find scores hard to come by against a good Dublin defence. Kildare cleaned us out at midfield for long stretches, although we dominated there for a couple of periods, enough to keep us in the game and ultimately win it. O'Carroll did very well on Murphy in the U-21 final last year and I'd expect Dublin to have two or three men around him again whenever the ball comes in. We will benefit from the hype which is sure to build up now around Dublin, especially if Mayo manage to surprise Kerry. And if Dublin can reproduce yesterday's form, we will be up against it. That said, we can all think of numerous occasions over the years when teams have gone on to struggle after spectacular performances. So I think we have a decent chance, as long as we defend with as much discipline as we have to date, compete well enough for the breaks and Murphy can win enough ball up front. Gilroy will no doubt have his B team packing their half of the field in their practice matches and will have his homework done, but I'm sure McGuinness will be hard at work too. Will definitely be an interesting tactical battle.
Surely the reason Dublin will have all them extra players around Murphy will be because Donegal won't have enough players forward for them to mark??
If Donegal just lump long ball up the field from a defensive position, that would certainly be the case. But are you saying that Dublin won't flood back when Donegal build by handpassing out of defense? They looked to have numerous men in there yesterday when Tyrone forwards got on the ball, especially in the first half.
Tyrone's gameplan was mindboggling. Short handpasses straight into contact. Tyrone's newer players yesterday simply werent up to it. Especially up front. SON on one leg is better then all their other forwards put togther.
I cant imagine Donegal tactically will make the same mistake. Only thing I would say the Dublin 21's completely dismantled Mc Guinness's system last year in the All-Ireland u21 Final. So the tactical battle will be interesting.
Donegal will be ravenously hungry. They havent won an all-ireland. They have some very good players but to win they have to win midfield.
I actually think they played their best football against Kildare when they came out and played.
The game itself is likely to be an awful spectacle for at least 40mins. Donegal's entire system is built on staying within 3-4 points of the opposition.
I think it will be Dublin toughest game of the year.
Helped by half the Donegal team suffering from food poison.
Absolutely nothing to do with Dublin being good I suppose. I forgot that appearances at all-ireland finals were handed out at the weekly club lotto.
Fancied Dublin to beat Tyrone and I think they'll beat Donegal too. This will be tighter but I think Dublin are AI champs in waiting and while Donegal have some great players they also have a good few 'standard' players, Dublin less so.
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Well we'll be going in as underdogs again, just like the Kildare and Tyrone matches. Looks a big step up, based on yesterday, however. There's no way in hell Dublin will knock over 20 points from play against us, but I would be worried about midfield, where Dublin totally outclassed Tyrone for most of the game and our attack, where we will find scores hard to come by against a good Dublin defence. Kildare cleaned us out at midfield for long stretches, although we dominated there for a couple of periods, enough to keep us in the game and ultimately win it. O'Carroll did very well on Murphy in the U-21 final last year and I'd expect Dublin to have two or three men around him again whenever the ball comes in. We will benefit from the hype which is sure to build up now around Dublin, especially if Mayo manage to surprise Kerry. And if Dublin can reproduce yesterday's form, we will be up against it. That said, we can all think of numerous occasions over the years when teams have gone on to struggle after spectacular performances. So I think we have a decent chance, as long as we defend with as much discipline as we have to date, compete well enough for the breaks and Murphy can win enough ball up front. Gilroy will no doubt have his B team packing their half of the field in their practice matches and will have his homework done, but I'm sure McGuinness will be hard at work too. Will definitely be an interesting tactical battle.
Surely the reason Dublin will have all them extra players around Murphy will be because Donegal won't have enough players forward for them to mark??
If Donegal just lump long ball up the field from a defensive position, that would certainly be the case. But are you saying that Dublin won't flood back when Donegal build by handpassing out of defense? They looked to have numerous men in there yesterday when Tyrone forwards got on the ball, especially in the first half.
Tyrone's gameplan was mindboggling. Short handpasses straight into contact. Tyrone's newer players yesterday simply werent up to it. Especially up front. SON on one leg is better then all their other forwards put togther.
I cant imagine Donegal tactically will make the same mistake. Only thing I would say the Dublin 21's completely dismantled Mc Guinness's system last year in the All-Ireland u21 Final. So the tactical battle will be interesting.
Donegal will be ravenously hungry. They havent won an all-ireland. They have some very good players but to win they have to win midfield.
I actually think they played their best football against Kildare when they came out and played.
The game itself is likely to be an awful spectacle for at least 40mins. Donegal's entire system is built on staying within 3-4 points of the opposition.
I think it will be Dublin toughest game of the year.
Helped by half the Donegal team suffering from food poison.
Absolutely nothing to do with Dublin being good I suppose. I forgot that appearances at all-ireland finals were handed out at the weekly club lotto.
There is always is and will be an asterix beside a Dublin win for some bitter people Indiana.
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Well we'll be going in as underdogs again, just like the Kildare and Tyrone matches. Looks a big step up, based on yesterday, however. There's no way in hell Dublin will knock over 20 points from play against us, but I would be worried about midfield, where Dublin totally outclassed Tyrone for most of the game and our attack, where we will find scores hard to come by against a good Dublin defence. Kildare cleaned us out at midfield for long stretches, although we dominated there for a couple of periods, enough to keep us in the game and ultimately win it. O'Carroll did very well on Murphy in the U-21 final last year and I'd expect Dublin to have two or three men around him again whenever the ball comes in. We will benefit from the hype which is sure to build up now around Dublin, especially if Mayo manage to surprise Kerry. And if Dublin can reproduce yesterday's form, we will be up against it. That said, we can all think of numerous occasions over the years when teams have gone on to struggle after spectacular performances. So I think we have a decent chance, as long as we defend with as much discipline as we have to date, compete well enough for the breaks and Murphy can win enough ball up front. Gilroy will no doubt have his B team packing their half of the field in their practice matches and will have his homework done, but I'm sure McGuinness will be hard at work too. Will definitely be an interesting tactical battle.
Surely the reason Dublin will have all them extra players around Murphy will be because Donegal won't have enough players forward for them to mark??
If Donegal just lump long ball up the field from a defensive position, that would certainly be the case. But are you saying that Dublin won't flood back when Donegal build by handpassing out of defense? They looked to have numerous men in there yesterday when Tyrone forwards got on the ball, especially in the first half.
Tyrone's gameplan was mindboggling. Short handpasses straight into contact. Tyrone's newer players yesterday simply werent up to it. Especially up front. SON on one leg is better then all their other forwards put togther.
I cant imagine Donegal tactically will make the same mistake. Only thing I would say the Dublin 21's completely dismantled Mc Guinness's system last year in the All-Ireland u21 Final. So the tactical battle will be interesting.
Donegal will be ravenously hungry. They havent won an all-ireland. They have some very good players but to win they have to win midfield.
I actually think they played their best football against Kildare when they came out and played.
The game itself is likely to be an awful spectacle for at least 40mins. Donegal's entire system is built on staying within 3-4 points of the opposition.
I think it will be Dublin toughest game of the year.
Helped by half the Donegal team suffering from food poison.
Absolutely nothing to do with Dublin being good I suppose. I forgot that appearances at all-ireland finals were handed out at the weekly club lotto.
There is always is and will be an asterix beside a Dublin win for some bitter people Indiana.
Very sensitive there chaps. I was only pointing out the truth where Dublin won the match fair and square but there has to be reference to the unusual illness that befell many of the Donegal players. Dublin won by 2 points.
While the media are salivating over the dream final of Kerry v Dublin I seem to remember the same garbage being spouted in 2002 and 2006.
Donegal will definitely provide sterner opposition than Tyrone but you cannot see Donegal holding Dublin to 10/11 points which is what their game plan is based around.
I remember hearing in 1992 that Dublin had a street map of where the trophy was being taken after the game but Gilroy has done a fantastic job there in a short space of time and don't think he will let them get carried away with themselves. He will remind them of the hurt of last year when they should have beat Cork.
Jim McGuinness will undoubtedly have a few plans for Connolly and the Brogans but regardless of the result he is in bonus territory. Unlike McCartan last year as a 1st year manager he has an Ulster title and there wouldn't be the same level of expectancy in Donegal as there was in Down.
Expect Dublin to win by 2/3 points and the Donegal boys to finally get to celebrate winning Ulster properly.
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While the media are salivating over the dream final of Kerry v Dublin I seem to remember the same garbage being spouted in 2002 and 2006.
Donegal will definitely provide sterner opposition than Tyrone but you cannot see Donegal holding Dublin to 10/11 points which is what their game plan is based around.
I remember hearing in 1992 that Dublin had a street map of where the trophy was being taken after the game but Gilroy has done a fantastic job there in a short space of time and don't think he will let them get carried away with themselves. He will remind them of the hurt of last year when they should have beat Cork.
Jim McGuinness will undoubtedly have a few plans for Connolly and the Brogans but regardless of the result he is in bonus territory. Unlike McCartan last year as a 1st year manager he has an Ulster title and there wouldn't be the same level of expectancy in Donegal as there was in Down.
Expect Dublin to win by 2/3 points and the Donegal boys to finally get to celebrate winning Ulster properly.
There's not even close to the talk of a dream final of Kerry v Dublin, as there has been about Tipp v KK in the hurling. While Kerry and Dublin are favourites, there's not many writing off Mayo and Donegal. In 2006 there was certainly plenty of talk of a Dublin-Kerry final. There was very little of that in 2002. Most thought Dublin v Armagh would be very close.
The proposed celebrations in 1992 was by politicians. Absolutely nothing to do with management team (although they did do plenty wrong in the build up). Was a damn good Donegal team too - shame so many people focus on Dublin losing the 92 All Ireland, rather than Donegal's excellent play in winning it.
Since I correctly called a Dublin victory on Sat night (to my wife and kids at least) I think the Dubs will win this one by 4 or 5.
Hopefully Nolan's injury for the Dubs is minor.
Our formation from 8 to 15 is definitely the best one and won't change now. Dunno if Pat has been keeping it under wraps until now, or just stumbled upon it!
I'd imagine we'll be unchanged from 1-7 also (injury permitting), though I'd be slightly tempted to bring in Philly McMahon ahead of McCarthy.
1992 was a day when 12/13 Donegal players played out of their skins............ never to be done again. No county would have beaten them that day.
Honestly think that the Dublin mgt will keep a very sharp on any complacency setting in. Read last week that Gilroy reckoned that he learnt alot from 1992 as a player and I think he also mentioned that it was a "life lesson" also.
Quote from: Hound on August 08, 2011, 12:35:38 PM
Hopefully Nolan's injury for the Dubs is minor.
Our formation from 8 to 15 is definitely the best one and won't change now. Dunno if Pat has been keeping it under wraps until now, or just stumbled upon it!
I'd imagine we'll be unchanged from 1-7 also (injury permitting), though I'd be slightly tempted to bring in Philly McMahon ahead of McCarthy.
:o Surely you mean Fitzsimons? McCarthy is playing great stuff in the back line imo.
Id leave McCarthy be, he dug us out of a hole against wexford, and drove right at tyrone, a little bit lax the odd time on the ball, but thats his style, barring no injuries or niggles Id roll with the same 15 ;)
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Quote from: Hound on August 08, 2011, 12:35:38 PM
Hopefully Nolan's injury for the Dubs is minor.
Our formation from 8 to 15 is definitely the best one and won't change now. Dunno if Pat has been keeping it under wraps until now, or just stumbled upon it!
I'd imagine we'll be unchanged from 1-7 also (injury permitting), though I'd be slightly tempted to bring in Philly McMahon ahead of McCarthy.
:o Surely you mean Fitzsimons? McCarthy is playing great stuff in the back line imo.
Fitz had a very good game the other evening on mugsy, put him on his butt a couple of times too
Must be a mistake......... am very impressed with McCarthy. Think Fitzsimoms is also underrated by alot of Dublin fans.
Not saying McCarthy has done anything wrong, he's doing reasonably well. Does make the odd mistake though, and I think McMahon might do better.
I like Fitzsimons, slow enough start to the year but going well enough at the moment.
I'll trust Gilroy to make the right decisions based on the opposition and the form in the inter squad games.......Quite happy for the same team to start with Philly, Conlon, Ross, Eamon, McMenamon, O'Gara etc all being fully fit and flying on the bench for the next day
Quote from: Hound on August 08, 2011, 01:03:00 PM
Not saying McCarthy has done anything wrong, he's doing reasonably well. Does make the odd mistake though, and I think McMahon might do better.
I like Fitzsimons, slow enough start to the year but going well enough at the moment.
Mc Mahon isnt really a half back. Plays his club football at 3. Big difference between the two positions in my view.
Don't think McMahon is as good a defender as the rest and would have Conlon there ahead of him for the FB line, and think there are a few ahead of him for the HB line. Lucky man to get an All Star GPA Team award ;) last year if you ask me.
Regarding the game, it will be some tactical battle, but I think that the Dubs have more firepower up front, with the 2 Brogans and Connolly. Donegal rely a bit more heavily on Michael Murphy for the scoring, and McFadden seems to have peaked earlier in the year.
Dubs by 2/3
Philly didn't get an Allstar last year .
Donegal are underdogs AGAIN?! Can no-one see what is happening here? The whole country is underestimating them, even the bookies. ..and they continue to "surprise" everyone when they win. I think the Dublin management team will analyse Donegal to the hilt and will adapt accordingly. If they play the same way as they did against Tyrone they will loose to Donegal.
So you think Donegal should be the favourites?
On what grounds?
Maurice Deegan will be the man in the middle for this game.
Good night Donegal so .. Deegan is a Big County can do no wrong ref. >:(
If Dublin can get a big lead built up early on (5 or 6 points) and force Donegal to chase the game then Dublin will pick Donegal off and win handy enough I think.
On the other hand if Donegal can stifle the Dubs and stay within reach with 15 minutes to go, who knows they might edge it.
Prediction Dublin by 6.
I just have this sneaky feeling Donegal will win this and I don't know why. I think Dublin are a better team but I just think that Dublin may get frustrated and not know how to break them down.
Don't mind either way but just have a sneaky feeling donegal will edge it.
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Quote from: Rossfan on August 09, 2011, 08:29:15 PM
Good night Donegal so .. Deegan is a Big County can do no wrong ref. >:(
Didn't Deegan award 'that' penalty to Murphy in the Ulster Final
Quote from: Rossfan on August 09, 2011, 08:29:15 PM
Good night Donegal so .. Deegan is a Big County can do no wrong ref. >:(
He gave cork everything on the line last year..............................gave donegal everything against derry this year, not so sure
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Quote from: Rossfan on August 09, 2011, 08:29:15 PM
Good night Donegal so .. Deegan is a Big County can do no wrong ref. >:(
Didn't Deegan award 'that' penalty to Murphy in the Ulster Final
Correctly so.
Bump!
Hope the respective teams' attacks aren't as seemingly reticent as the posters on this board! ;)
Nothing to see here Fear carry on!
Quote from: J70 on August 10, 2011, 12:18:23 AM
Quote from: heffo on August 09, 2011, 10:21:31 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 09, 2011, 08:29:15 PM
Good night Donegal so .. Deegan is a Big County can do no wrong ref. >:(
Didn't Deegan award 'that' penalty to Murphy in the Ulster Final
Correctly so.
Debatable to say the least! Very harsh penalty....he also didnt dish out the yellows for persistant fouling, but in saying that not too many of the refrees do. He also didnt award Derry a clearer cut penalty than the one he awarded Donegal.
I think Donegal will be happy with Deegan as ref.
I think Donegal have a real chance of winning this game. Dublin wont get anywhere near the same space they did against Tyrone and the forwards will have their work cut out to get any scores. It all depends on how Dublin react to this frustration. They wont be any fitter than Donegal that's for sure and the workrate of both teams are on a par. I just have a feeling Donegal will win this...they had a bit to improve on from their win over Kildare (particularly the full forward line which I felt played much better in the Ulster final than against Kildare) whereas Dublin will look at the Tyrone game and will realise they didnt really have any sort of test to build on.
I can see Donegal winning this by 3-4 points.
I wouldnt mind either of the 2 winning the AI in saying that.....
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Quote from: J70 on August 10, 2011, 12:18:23 AM
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Quote from: Rossfan on August 09, 2011, 08:29:15 PM
Good night Donegal so .. Deegan is a Big County can do no wrong ref. >:(
Didn't Deegan award 'that' penalty to Murphy in the Ulster Final
Correctly so.
Debatable to say the least! Very harsh penalty....he also didnt dish out the yellows for persistant fouling, but in saying that not too many of the refrees do. He also didnt award Derry a clearer cut penalty than the one he awarded Donegal.
I think Donegal will be happy with Deegan as ref.
I think Donegal have a real chance of winning this game. Dublin wont get anywhere near the same space they did against Tyrone and the forwards will have their work cut out to get any scores. It all depends on how Dublin react to this frustration. They wont be any fitter than Donegal that's for sure and the workrate of both teams are on a par. I just have a feeling Donegal will win this...they had a bit to improve on from their win over Kildare (particularly the full forward line which I felt played much better in the Ulster final than against Kildare) whereas Dublin will look at the Tyrone game and will realise they didnt really have any sort of test to build on.
I can see Donegal winning this by 3-4 points.
I wouldnt mind either of the 2 winning the AI in saying that.....
If you are going to talk about the ifs buts and maybes of the Ulster final then don't forget the Derry man who should have been sent off for elbowing McBrearty.
Dublin will choke the life out of our FF line and Murph can expect to have 2-3 defenders on him every time the ball comes his way. It will be up to our HF/HB lines to take our scores and unfortunately we do not have the men to do that. The defences will cancel each other out and Dublin's more potent attack will see them over the line by 4-5 points.
Quote from: tbrick18 on August 12, 2011, 09:27:42 AM
Quote from: J70 on August 10, 2011, 12:18:23 AM
Quote from: heffo on August 09, 2011, 10:21:31 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 09, 2011, 08:29:15 PM
Good night Donegal so .. Deegan is a Big County can do no wrong ref. >:(
Didn't Deegan award 'that' penalty to Murphy in the Ulster Final
Correctly so.
Debatable to say the least! Very harsh penalty....he also didnt dish out the yellows for persistant fouling, but in saying that not too many of the refrees do. He also didnt award Derry a clearer cut penalty than the one he awarded Donegal.
I think Donegal will be happy with Deegan as ref.
I think Donegal have a real chance of winning this game. Dublin wont get anywhere near the same space they did against Tyrone and the forwards will have their work cut out to get any scores. It all depends on how Dublin react to this frustration. They wont be any fitter than Donegal that's for sure and the workrate of both teams are on a par. I just have a feeling Donegal will win this...they had a bit to improve on from their win over Kildare (particularly the full forward line which I felt played much better in the Ulster final than against Kildare) whereas Dublin will look at the Tyrone game and will realise they didnt really have any sort of test to build on.
I can see Donegal winning this by 3-4 points.
I wouldnt mind either of the 2 winning the AI in saying that.....
Dublin and Donegal have both played Kildare and Tyrone and Dublin have done an awful lot better against Tyrone and also against Kildare even with 14 men....and now that the injured guys like O'Gara, McMahon, Fennell, McConnell, MDMA, O'Sullivan are back fit again you think we'll be weaker...
Quote from: RMDrive on August 12, 2011, 10:55:59 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on August 12, 2011, 09:27:42 AM
Quote from: J70 on August 10, 2011, 12:18:23 AM
Quote from: heffo on August 09, 2011, 10:21:31 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 09, 2011, 08:29:15 PM
Good night Donegal so .. Deegan is a Big County can do no wrong ref. >:(
Didn't Deegan award 'that' penalty to Murphy in the Ulster Final
Correctly so.
Debatable to say the least! Very harsh penalty....he also didnt dish out the yellows for persistant fouling, but in saying that not too many of the refrees do. He also didnt award Derry a clearer cut penalty than the one he awarded Donegal.
I think Donegal will be happy with Deegan as ref.
I think Donegal have a real chance of winning this game. Dublin wont get anywhere near the same space they did against Tyrone and the forwards will have their work cut out to get any scores. It all depends on how Dublin react to this frustration. They wont be any fitter than Donegal that's for sure and the workrate of both teams are on a par. I just have a feeling Donegal will win this...they had a bit to improve on from their win over Kildare (particularly the full forward line which I felt played much better in the Ulster final than against Kildare) whereas Dublin will look at the Tyrone game and will realise they didnt really have any sort of test to build on.
I can see Donegal winning this by 3-4 points.
I wouldnt mind either of the 2 winning the AI in saying that.....
If you are going to talk about the ifs buts and maybes of the Ulster final then don't forget the Derry man who should have been sent off for elbowing McBrearty.
Dublin will choke the life out of our FF line and Murph can expect to have 2-3 defenders on him every time the ball comes his way. It will be up to our HF/HB lines to take our scores and unfortunately we do not have the men to do that. The defences will cancel each other out and Dublin's more potent attack will see them over the line by 4-5 points.
i dont think dublin will put 2 or 3 men on murphy from the start rory ocaroll will mark him and after the job he did on him in last years u21 ai final i think gilroy might just him to mark murphy on his own and if this happens think it could be a mistake because i would think murphy will be out to prove a point after last years final and that penalty miss
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 07, 2011, 05:15:27 PM
Donegal will be raging favourites, league champs, ulster champs and have serious momentum now...........................snuffed out serious all ireland contenders kildare with a half fit murphy and off form mcfadden..................
Donegal were the league champions in 2007.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 12, 2011, 01:48:01 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 07, 2011, 05:15:27 PM
Donegal will be raging favourites, league champs, ulster champs and have serious momentum now...........................snuffed out serious all ireland contenders kildare with a half fit murphy and off form mcfadden..................
Donegal were the league champions in 2007.
They were also league champions in 2011.
Any news coming out of the donegal camp................ injuries etc
Spent an enjoyable weekend in Donegal and Stayed in the Redcastle Hotel. Donegal team were there also. Wanted to see Dublin win next weekend but my attitude has changed now. Real decent bunch of lads. Got chatting to a few of them in the pool area this morning and they were all very chatty (most of them tipped Mayo today!!). Expect to see Heagarty dropped as he was down late for breakfast!!
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 21, 2011, 09:25:49 PM
Any news coming out of the donegal camp................ injuries etc
Michael Hegarty has been carrying a knock since the Kildare match, but is expected to be fit. Think the only other concern is Murphy and his hamstring from before the Kildare game, but he's expected to be fit enough to line out too.
Quote from: RMDrive on August 12, 2011, 10:55:59 AM
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Quote from: heffo on August 09, 2011, 10:21:31 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 09, 2011, 08:29:15 PM
Good night Donegal so .. Deegan is a Big County can do no wrong ref. >:(
Didn't Deegan award 'that' penalty to Murphy in the Ulster Final
Correctly so.
Debatable to say the least! Very harsh penalty....he also didnt dish out the yellows for persistant fouling, but in saying that not too many of the refrees do. He also didnt award Derry a clearer cut penalty than the one he awarded Donegal.
I think Donegal will be happy with Deegan as ref.
I think Donegal have a real chance of winning this game. Dublin wont get anywhere near the same space they did against Tyrone and the forwards will have their work cut out to get any scores. It all depends on how Dublin react to this frustration. They wont be any fitter than Donegal that's for sure and the workrate of both teams are on a par. I just have a feeling Donegal will win this...they had a bit to improve on from their win over Kildare (particularly the full forward line which I felt played much better in the Ulster final than against Kildare) whereas Dublin will look at the Tyrone game and will realise they didnt really have any sort of test to build on.
I can see Donegal winning this by 3-4 points.
I wouldnt mind either of the 2 winning the AI in saying that.....
If you are going to talk about the ifs buts and maybes of the Ulster final then don't forget the Derry man who should have been sent off for elbowing McBrearty.
Dublin will choke the life out of our FF line and Murph can expect to have 2-3 defenders on him every time the ball comes his way. It will be up to our HF/HB lines to take our scores and unfortunately we do not have the men to do that. The defences will cancel each other out and Dublin's more potent attack will see them over the line by 4-5 points.
Bullshit! He didn't elbow McBrearty he lay down like a calf because he got roasted.
On the game this weekend I just have a feeling Donegal will win this one. Dublins performance against Tyrone is once in a lifetime stuff plus Tyrone were godawful. They also haven't been met with Donegals intensity yet and I have a sneaky suspicion they will revert to type and wilt when it matters.
Having said that there is a chance Dublin will click again and blow Donegal out of the water. Dublins forwards are better than Donegals but something is just telling me that Donegal will crawl over the line on this one.
fast forward to Sunday evening when Donegal have out fought and beaten Dublin to reach the AI Final in a fairly low scoring s/f...the amount of folk on here (the vast majority from outside Dublin it must be said) who think the Dubs are a shoe in for the final is incredible. Will ye's ever learn? DUBLIN SEMI-FINAL SPEED WOBBLE SENSATION, read all about it
Donegal will win by a point or 2.
Quote from: J OGorman on August 22, 2011, 10:35:38 AM
fast forward to Sunday evening when Donegal have out fought and beaten Dublin to reach the AI Final in a fairly low scoring s/f...the amount of folk on here (the vast majority from outside Dublin it must be said) who think the Dubs are a shoe in for the final is incredible. Will ye's ever learn? DUBLIN SEMI-FINAL SPEED WOBBLE SENSATION, read all about it
If you actually read the thread you'll find most posters have backed Donegal.
Quote from: heffo on August 22, 2011, 10:44:43 AM
Quote from: J OGorman on August 22, 2011, 10:35:38 AM
fast forward to Sunday evening when Donegal have out fought and beaten Dublin to reach the AI Final in a fairly low scoring s/f...the amount of folk on here (the vast majority from outside Dublin it must be said) who think the Dubs are a shoe in for the final is incredible. Will ye's ever learn? DUBLIN SEMI-FINAL SPEED WOBBLE SENSATION, read all about it
If you actually read the thread you'll find most posters have backed Donegal.
most Dubs are backing Donegal you mean
Quote from: heffo on August 22, 2011, 10:44:43 AM
Quote from: J OGorman on August 22, 2011, 10:35:38 AM
fast forward to Sunday evening when Donegal have out fought and beaten Dublin to reach the AI Final in a fairly low scoring s/f...the amount of folk on here (the vast majority from outside Dublin it must be said) who think the Dubs are a shoe in for the final is incredible. Will ye's ever learn? DUBLIN SEMI-FINAL SPEED WOBBLE SENSATION, read all about it
If you actually read the thread you'll find most posters have backed Donegal.
on this thread..(excluding Dublin / Donegal posters) 7 in favour of Dublin and 3 in favour of Donegal (one sitting on the fence).
I'll have to bow to the superior knowledge of the two Derry lads about choking in big games/semi-finals - no one would know better than ye in fairness.
Quote from: heffo on August 22, 2011, 11:06:32 AM
I'll have to bow to the superior knowledge of the two Derry lads about choking in big games/semi-finals - no one would know better than ye in fairness.
relax yourself sir..us Derry folk have enough open wounds to last us a lifetime. I'm simply stating how I will see things playing out. If Dublin did win on Sun, I'd love to see them win it outright..spent a good few years living in the capital, good times
Quote from: heffo on August 12, 2011, 02:02:24 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 12, 2011, 01:48:01 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 07, 2011, 05:15:27 PM
Donegal will be raging favourites, league champs, ulster champs and have serious momentum now...........................snuffed out serious all ireland contenders kildare with a half fit murphy and off form mcfadden..................
Donegal were the league champions in 2007.
They were also league champions in 2011.
Behave yerself now heffo. Ye can ramp them up better that that :)
Donegal have some class forwards. It would be great to see Kevin Cassidy win an all-Ireland.
The Dubs are like an own brand Kerry so they have a certain amount of consistency but in the final analysis they miss the quality and never win anything.
Donegal folk whats the buzz in the county ????? Are tickets being snapped up.........................has the bould brolly got a donegal headband yet ?
Is Jim McGuiness a threat to Galvins modelling career
Quote from: seafoid on August 22, 2011, 11:13:03 AM
Donegal have some class forwards. It would be great to see Kevin Cassidy win an all-Ireland.
The Dubs are like an own brand Kerry so they have a certain amount of consistency but in the final analysis they miss the quality and never win anything.
That's just lazy analysis in fairness.
They have plenty of quality.
Quote from: seafoid on August 22, 2011, 11:13:03 AM
Donegal have some one class forwards. It would be great to see Kevin Cassidy win an all-Ireland.
The Dubs are like an own brand Kerry so they have a certain amount of consistency but in the final analysis they miss the quality and never win anything.
Fixed that for you there.
Ah now Heffo, yez are worse than us at choking (mostly because we dont get that far each season ).
Dont be giving Dinny ammo for the next time !!
As for next Sundays game. Two very defensive teams that get 13 men behind the ball - as most witnessed live (including myself) at the Dubs v Tyrone and Dubs v Kildare games and the Donegal v Derry plus Donegal v Kildare games.
IMO Donegal and Dublin are similar teams playing a very similar style. Unless a bad day at the office, there wont be much in it. Mistakes and the ref will be the difference.
While I think Dublin have the better firepower, its not by much. On paper Dublins three ( 2 Brogans and Connolly) v Donegals two (Murphy and McFadden).
Murphy and McFadden have not played their best this championship yet. McBrearty a rookie who has great potential but not there yet either.
Another question, will Dublin play as well as they did last time out. IMO thats what they are capable of, but so far this season their form was way off that level of performance I didnt see it coming, not without another couple of games under their belt. So can they continue - will their confidence do that.
Donegal will look to exploit what I see are Dublins weak links in Fitzsimons - by putting the aggressive McFadden on him, and someone like Bradley or McHugh who will test the young McCarthy who is being played out of position on the wing.
Hard to call but unless Donegal get their first coice midfield back and finding form instantly, the posession Dublin most likely will wint could tip the scales in their favour.
Donegal have more scores in them from the half back line, but they will have to cut a bit looser to avail of that.
A tight game, might not be a nice one to watch, but should be enthralling. Maybe even a draw. Current form slightly favours the Dubs imo.
Game now sold out.
Heffo is just in the angry won't be appeased till Dublin claim their birth rite phase
Current Heffo
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Heffo after the third Sunday in Sept..
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Quote from: heffo on August 22, 2011, 04:32:20 PM
Game now sold out.
Crikey that is going to catch alot of people on the hop, esp. those who were going to ticketmaster source their tickets.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 22, 2011, 05:18:45 PM
Heffo is just in the angry won't be appeased till Dublin claim their birth rite phase
Current Heffo
(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110304032728/fallout/images/e/e6/Angry-man_on_computer.jpg)
Heffo after the third Sunday in Sept..
(http://watermarked.cutcaster.com/cutcaster-photo-100861455-Happy-Young-Man-Using-Laptop-Computer.jpg)
I like it Dinny, don't think I'll be celebrating on the third Sunday, but how and ever!
holy feck Heffo, yer doing yer best 'arseboxing' copying from all the cute Kerry and cork hoorisms from down the years.
If I see yet another one of your 'ah sure we wouldnt be great at all at all, Donegal are raging hot favourites so they are' posts again I think I'll also choke - with the laughing !!
:D
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 23, 2011, 09:07:48 AM
holy feck Heffo, yer doing yer best 'arseboxing' copying from all the cute Kerry and cork hoorisms from down the years.
If I see yet another one of your 'ah sure we wouldnt be great at all at all, Donegal are raging hot favourites so they are' posts again I think I'll also choke - with the laughing !!
:D
Not at all LB - I think it's a 50/50 game Sunday.
If both teams played completely open, I'd back Dublin in a shootout.
Won't be like that at all for either team so it'll be about who reacts better, shows more patience and composure.
If Dublin were to get an early goal it could change Donegals whole game plan, but goals for both sides will be at a premium.
Here is an outlook on Sunday's game - http://mal-sport.blogspot.com/2011/08/one-step-from-september.html
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 22, 2011, 11:21:50 AM
Donegal folk whats the buzz in the county ????? Are tickets being snapped up.........................has the bould brolly got a donegal headband yet ?
Is Jim McGuiness a threat to Galvins modelling career
Was down @ dog track in Lifford at the weekend, plenty of flags up and around Lifford, can only guess about the rest of the county, but going on Lifford's showing, I have a fair guess and say that the counties well decked out.
Seem to be taking it serious enough!! ;D
Wear your colours for Donegal! Wear your county colours with pride adn help the team training fund.
Published on Thursday 11 August 2011 15:15
The Donegal Democrat in conjunction with the Donegal GAA County Board are promoting a special Donegal Jersey Day on Friday, August 19th, ahead of the All-Ireland semi-final against Dublin.
Employers and employees throughout the county are being encouraged to show their colours while helping fund Donegal's bid for a place in the All-Ireland football final next month.
And the good news is that every workplace who lets us know will be in with a chance to win three sets of two tickets for the big semi-final game on August 28th.
Democrat Sports Editor Peter Campbell said: "We have always strongly supported the Donegal GAA over our long history, so we thought how could we bring some colour to the county while at the same time, help out the county team in a practical and simple way? Wearing your jersey to work is a perfect way for readers and supporters to show their support.
"We're asking all Donegal people to wear the Donegal jersey/colours to work on Friday 19th and to organise a collection at work for the Donegal Training Fund. All contributions will be voluntary and we're asking a volunteer to take up the collection. All you have to do then is email the Donegal Democrat (sport@donegaldemocrat.com) that you have made a collection and we will notify the Donegal Co. Board treasurer, who will organise to have funds collected."
All businesses, shops, factories and other work places who take part will be acknowledged in the Donegal Democrat and they can also email in their photos of their own event.
As part of the build up to the All-Ireland semi final, the Democrat is also running a separate competition to win a set of tickets for the game and overnight stay in Dublin. This is aimed at householders and families who are being encouraged to bedeck their house in the county colours and give Donegal the 'extra man' as they face the Dubs in Croker
I just hope the Dubs give Donegal the respect they deserve as Ulster champions, any potential talk of a "run out before the final" would be downright disrespectful. Donegal are there on merit as are the dubs of course but some could say that the heads have got big around the city streets. "The hype is huge..." "All they have to do is turn out..." I find views of that nature if given would represent a huge insult to Donegal football.
Quote from: snippets on August 23, 2011, 01:01:42 PM
some could say that the heads have got big around the city streets. "The hype is huge..." "All they have to do is turn out..." I find views of that nature if given would represent a huge insult to Donegal football.
Are you getting pre-empted insulted over imaginary insults in your head?. There is no such talk in Dublin.
It seems like there is plenty of hype in Donegal though:
http://www.donegaldemocrat.ie/news/local/croke_park_gaa_ticket_allocation_just_16_1_2988065
"Donegal GAA County Administrator, Noreen Doherty, said that she had not seen such
unbridled enthusiasm since the lead up to the final of 1992. She told the paper: "It's simply a sell-out. We have never dealt with such a high demand for tickets since 1992. It's incredible; the buzz and excitement is everywhere to be seen. It seems that everybody wants to go to the game, which is great."
as far as i can make out, dublin have been very low-key and restrained about it all, seemingly not wanting to give any fuel for the donegal motivational fires. it doesn't fool us donegal folk one bit though. we see it for what it is. it's that particular brand of smug dub silence that is more or less saying we're focussing on the game and not getting ahead of ourselves because that's the only way donegal can beat us, which is us beating ourselves. you might as well tell us that you think we're shite.
Quote from: cadence on August 23, 2011, 02:39:53 PM
as far as i can make out, dublin have been very low-key and restrained about it all, seemingly not wanting to give any fuel for the donegal motivational fires. it doesn't fool us donegal folk one bit though. we see it for what it is. it's that particular brand of smug dub silence that is more or less saying we're focussing on the game and not getting ahead of ourselves because that's the only way donegal can beat us, which is us beating ourselves. you might as well tell us that you think we're shite.
Brilliant!!!
Quote from: cadence on August 23, 2011, 02:39:53 PM
as far as i can make out, dublin have been very low-key and restrained about it all, seemingly not wanting to give any fuel for the donegal motivational fires. it doesn't fool us donegal folk one bit though. we see it for what it is. it's that particular brand of smug dub silence that is more or less saying we're focussing on the game and not getting ahead of ourselves because that's the only way donegal can beat us, which is us beating ourselves. you might as well tell us that you think we're shite.
You're a gas man!
Yes, thats it exactly, never be fooled that a low-key, heads down, business like approach to a game with soft goat featured country bumfluffs and romanticising seafaring yodas ie Donegal, - does not mask the sheer potential bigheadedness that arguably could be hidden within the Slick Dublin psychie. If I was a Donegal psychiatrist this week - Id be printing out these posts and any possible faux denials and pinning them to the dressing room door.
To paraphrase a great man -
"Our revenge will be the laughter of our supporters."
When is this game on by the way?? Can't find anyone in Dublin who knows anything about it!
Quote from: heffo on August 23, 2011, 02:48:11 PM
Quote from: cadence on August 23, 2011, 02:39:53 PM
as far as i can make out, dublin have been very low-key and restrained about it all, seemingly not wanting to give any fuel for the donegal motivational fires. it doesn't fool us donegal folk one bit though. we see it for what it is. it's that particular brand of smug dub silence that is more or less saying we're focussing on the game and not getting ahead of ourselves because that's the only way donegal can beat us, which is us beating ourselves. you might as well tell us that you think we're shite.
You're a gas man!
pfft!
Arrogance Heffo, an ai s final mightnt mean that much to the Dubs who have already the "burlo" booked for the week leading up to the final, but it means a hell of a lot to Donegal folk gombeen sheepfanciers.
Downright bizarre the most recent posts.
Lads here severely disappointed that the Dubs are keeping their heads down and saying nought. To the extent that they are now imagining hypothetical slights/arrogance.
Quote from: snippets on August 23, 2011, 03:40:12 PM
Arrogance Heffo, an ai s final mightnt mean that much to the Dubs who have already the "burlo" booked for the week leading up to the final
Is the 'Burlo' still open?? Thought it closed down years ago.
A Donegal fella told me today that Dublin have already been measured for their AI suits, he also said that a fella told a friend of his that Dublin think they only have to turn up to win!
Jinxy - what does your Dublin friend have to say?
Sure why wouldn't we be smug – didn't Martin McHugh himself tip Dublin on the Sunday Game. No more talk about cute Kerry men. :D
Paranoia is rife with the donegal brethren at the moment..........................im predicting a jim mcguiness meltdown before sunday
Theres feck all of a wiff of dubs versus kerry in the capital in the mo.....................its all about donegal this weekend dudes............................donegal thats all thats being mentioned by real dublin gaa fans, cant wait
Some stats i seen posted another forum.
Donegal average For: 1-12 average Against: 0-10
Dubin average For: 1-16 average Against: 0-14
Both have lost 4 out of there five last semi finals & the ones won they went on to win the All Ireland.
Quote from: donegal lad on August 23, 2011, 04:34:34 PM
Quote from: heffo on August 23, 2011, 01:57:21 PM
Quote from: snippets on August 23, 2011, 01:01:42 PM
some could say that the heads have got big around the city streets. "The hype is huge..." "All they have to do is turn out..." I find views of that nature if given would represent a huge insult to Donegal football.
Are you getting pre-empted insulted over imaginary insults in your head?. There is no such talk in Dublin.
It seems like there is plenty of hype in Donegal though:
http://www.donegaldemocrat.ie/news/local/croke_park_gaa_ticket_allocation_just_16_1_2988065
"Donegal GAA County Administrator, Noreen Doherty, said that she had not seen such unbridled enthusiasm since the lead up to the final of 1992. She told the paper: "It's simply a sell-out. We have never dealt with such a high demand for tickets since 1992. It's incredible; the buzz and excitement is everywhere to be seen. It seems that everybody wants to go to the game, which is great."
Of course there is going to be a demand for tickets in donegal its 8 years since our last semi final but i wouldn't class that as hype just people who want to attend a big game like this as we don't get to many of them
Hype/'Unbridled enthusiasm' quelle est la difference?
only a wee bit of switcheroo fun. fair play to you heffo you saw that one a mile away.
anyway, for what it's worth, i do think there's something in the fact that dublin and their support have been noticably quiet in the build up to this game. it's the weight of history and i suppose that's the difference between us and you. we're happy to be in this postion and can make no bones about it either. we can stick the chest out and say we believe in our team and that we believe that our team can win. dublin will only really be able to come out and say stuff like that if you reach the final. oppostion teams can and do use stuff like that to fire them up and it stands to reason that it's psychological unwise to think the battle's won before the fray has been entered in any endeavour. because of past implosions and up until the point when dublin get to a final again, it'll be we'll take each game as it comes and we're not thinking about a final, never mind kerry. dublin give oppositions more respect these days. it's been very quiet from both camps, but i wouldn't read much into it that as sides must realise how much media interest and internets chatter there about this and how anything that's said can be spun as grist for the mill.
besides, i like being able to have unbridled enthusiasm and to not give two hoots what the oppostion thinks.
Quote from: cadence on August 23, 2011, 07:19:56 PM
only a wee bit of switcheroo fun. fair play to you heffo you saw that one a mile away.
anyway, for what it's worth, i do think there's something in the fact that dublin and their support have been noticably quiet in the build up to this game. it's the weight of history and i suppose that's the difference between us and you. we're happy to be in this postion and can make no bones about it either. we can stick the chest out and say we believe in our team and that we believe that our team can win. dublin will only really be able to come out and say stuff like that if you reach the final. oppostion teams can and do use stuff like that to fire them up and it stands to reason that it's psychological unwise to think the battle's won before the fray has been entered in any endeavour. because of past implosions and up until the point when dublin get to a final again, it'll be we'll take each game as it comes and we're not thinking about a final, never mind kerry. dublin give oppositions more respect these days. it's been very quiet from both camps, but i wouldn't read much into it that as sides must realise how much media interest and internets chatter there about this and how anything that's said can be spun as grist for the mill.
besides, i like being able to have unbridled enthusiasm and to not give two hoots what the oppostion thinks.
You've hit the nail on the head there Cadence.
Irrespective of how Sunday's game goes though, Donegal are now a serious team.
They remind me somewhat of Tyrone in 2003 - Tyrone then played a horrible brand of football in 2003 (imo) and then evolved into a great team playing great football.
Quote from: heffo on August 23, 2011, 08:00:01 PM
Quote from: cadence on August 23, 2011, 07:19:56 PM
only a wee bit of switcheroo fun. fair play to you heffo you saw that one a mile away.
anyway, for what it's worth, i do think there's something in the fact that dublin and their support have been noticably quiet in the build up to this game. it's the weight of history and i suppose that's the difference between us and you. we're happy to be in this postion and can make no bones about it either. we can stick the chest out and say we believe in our team and that we believe that our team can win. dublin will only really be able to come out and say stuff like that if you reach the final. oppostion teams can and do use stuff like that to fire them up and it stands to reason that it's psychological unwise to think the battle's won before the fray has been entered in any endeavour. because of past implosions and up until the point when dublin get to a final again, it'll be we'll take each game as it comes and we're not thinking about a final, never mind kerry. dublin give oppositions more respect these days. it's been very quiet from both camps, but i wouldn't read much into it that as sides must realise how much media interest and internets chatter there about this and how anything that's said can be spun as grist for the mill.
besides, i like being able to have unbridled enthusiasm and to not give two hoots what the oppostion thinks.
You've hit the nail on the head there Cadence.
Irrespective of how Sunday's game goes though, Donegal are now a serious team.
They remind me somewhat of Tyrone in 2003 - Tyrone then played a horrible brand of football in 2003 (imo) and then evolved into a great team playing great football.
there's something in that tyrone analogy i think.
mcguinness is super astute and i love his philosophy. he deserves more credit than he's received and than he'd probably accept himself either from how he presents himself. it's very down to earth and mature way of approaching things. anyway, from what appears to be simple ingredients to begin with, it's all developing nicely into something else. i've been astonished at the transition of this donegal side. donegal have had a tradition of playing a certain style of football that has mainly been about good ball carriers and good movement breaking out and working the ball quickly up the field into scoring positions. it's slightly more complicated than that obviously, but as a basic rule, donegal players tend to be good with the ball on the move and at passing and moving. mcguinnes is the first in charge to devise a strategy to cope with the necessary evil in the modern era of having a defensive strategy whilst still allowing our traditional game to remain. donegal's game is not totally negative. going forward we are to my eyes still recognisably playing traditional donegal football with the same emphases on the skills and style we learned as youngsters. but i love more the fact that now we have that trojan never-say-die character. and it's not just in our defence, it's all over the field. there's no-one out there being carried because he's a wonderfully talented attacking footballer or whatever. it's awesome because the system itself is entirely worthless unless it's imbued with something that the players can anchor themselves to. and that's where mcguinness has done some job. the system is about the hours of hard graft in preparation, working together truly as a team, carrying on into the gloaming when things aren't looking too clever and doing it for donegal. never mind coming close, i honestly think that this donegal side will win an all ireland if they keep believing in what they do. and i have also started to believe that arguments about whether they have developed enough and have enough of an all round game are totally and utterly irrelevant, because the main factor intrinsic to them being successful is being together and pushing themselves collectively over the line.
love this donegal team. makes me proud to be a donegal man i'm telling you.
"Beyond the extreme of fatigue and distress, we may find amounts of ease and power we never dreamed ourselves to own; sources of strength never taxed at all because we never push through the obstruction."
William James
Quotehe deserves more credit than he's received
I don't know. Anyone who say Donegal play in Crossmaglen last summer can only marvel at the extent of the improvement.
Quote from: armaghniac on August 24, 2011, 12:19:31 AM
Quotehe deserves more credit than he's received
I don't know. Anyone who say Donegal play in Crossmaglen last summer can only marvel at the extent of the improvement.
that is always the game i refer to when talking about how much we have improved in less than a year that day was the 2nd lowest i have experienced following donegal we were at rock bottom and to now think we are only 70 minutes away from an all ireland final is unbelievable
Dubs by at least 5 points.
How about a song lads - together now, one, two, three .........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T7OaDDR7i8
:D
wee bit of underground resistance inspiration for all donegal folk.......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYAIJjZD1I0&playnext=1&list=PLD044CC76779EF1ED
make your transition!
interesting insight to the mentality of the Dublin players going into the AI final in 92
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/carr-i-knew-dubs-would-lose-92-final-a-month-beforehand-2856006.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/carr-i-knew-dubs-would-lose-92-final-a-month-beforehand-2856006.html)
It seems to me that Dublin's obsessive determination not to be seen as hyping themselves up is weighing heavily on them and eroding their self confidence. It could be a deciding factor on match day. Dublin teams traditionally need to feed off the razzmatazz that convinces them they're ten points better than the opposition. This self-effacing demeanour suggests a haunting fear of failure that could be paralysing.
Quote from: Hardy on August 24, 2011, 10:29:25 AM
It seems to me that Dublin's obsessive determination not to be seen as hyping themselves up is weighing heavily on them and eroding their self confidence. It could be a deciding factor on match day. Dublin teams traditionally need to feed off the razzmatazz that convinces them they're ten points better than the opposition. This self-effacing demeanour suggests a haunting fear of failure that could be paralysing.
That'll have to be filed under 'must try harder' Hardy. Dissapointing. 4/10.
I'm no Mike Sheehy, I'll give you that.
Quote from: Goldengreen on August 24, 2011, 09:59:43 AM
interesting insight to the mentality of the Dublin players going into the AI final in 92
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/carr-i-knew-dubs-would-lose-92-final-a-month-beforehand-2856006.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/carr-i-knew-dubs-would-lose-92-final-a-month-beforehand-2856006.html)
it was probably tommy himself that got up and left ;)
Quote from: Goldengreen on August 24, 2011, 09:59:43 AM
interesting insight to the mentality of the Dublin players going into the AI final in 92
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/carr-i-knew-dubs-would-lose-92-final-a-month-beforehand-2856006.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/carr-i-knew-dubs-would-lose-92-final-a-month-beforehand-2856006.html)
they've learned from mistakes like this in the past. you can see it in the way they've prepared by training in a way that tries to get as close to game day intensity as possible and taking nothing for granted. that's great psychological preparation and so they'll not be wanting on the mental side i think, they'll be well acclimatised to being in battle mode.
but i also think they'll have to play a different game against us and that there'll be a different set of problems to solve between us and players from the rest of dublin squad. good and all as those players are, our lads will just be different. i also think it's going to about whether we can sustain our efforts right the way through, and donegal know we can do this and play our football too when the opportunities arises. they must be wary of what dublin are capable of though. they are cracking footballers with real appetite and hunger for grafting too.
Quote from: Goldengreen on August 24, 2011, 09:59:43 AM
interesting insight to the mentality of the Dublin players going into the AI final in 92
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/carr-i-knew-dubs-would-lose-92-final-a-month-beforehand-2856006.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/carr-i-knew-dubs-would-lose-92-final-a-month-beforehand-2856006.html)
The Dubs didn't play their semi-final against Clare until the following Sunday so it was pretty bad that they thought so lowly of Clare that they went to see the other semi-final "with their place in the final already secured".
Most of the Dublin team were at the Kerry-Mayo semi last Sunday, presumably with the same mentality.
Quote from: Hardy on August 24, 2011, 10:29:25 AM
It seems to me that Dublin's obsessive determination not to be seen as hyping themselves up is weighing heavily on them and eroding their self confidence. It could be a deciding factor on match day. Dublin teams traditionally need to feed off the razzmatazz that convinces them they're ten points better than the opposition. This self-effacing demeanour suggests a haunting fear of failure that could be paralysing.
No hype is the new hype.
Quote from: heffo on August 23, 2011, 08:00:01 PM
Irrespective of how Sunday's game goes though, Donegal are now a serious team.
They remind me somewhat of Tyrone in 2003 - Tyrone then played a horrible brand of football in 2003 (imo) and then evolved into a great team playing great football.
I know this analogy has been made a fair bit over the summer but for me it's a very poor one. Tyrone in 2003 certainly did pull men back behind the ball at times but they also poured forward in numbers and played some very good football. Tyrone ran up some huge scores that summer. The difference in their tally compared to Donegal this summer is striking. Tyrone got 88 scores over 5 games to win Ulster compared to Donegal's 47 over 4 games this year. Add in the quarter finals and Tyrone reached the AI semi final having got 110 scores compared to Donegal having 60 at the same stage this year. Tyrone did certainly play a defensive game in the second half against Kerry in 2003 but other than that their style that summer was far more expansive than anything Donegal have shown this year. Ultimately I don't believe Donegal have the same attacking talent that Tyrone had in 2003 anyway, but the style they play is not the same.
Find it hard to understand that somebody could watch Tyrone's games in 2003 and say the brand of football was "horrid". Plenty of oustanding scores and one of the classic matches of the decade in the Ulster Final against Down. At the time Tyrone were given huge praise for their attacking style going into the All-Ireland semi final and the first half that day was again excellent with the Kerry defence being opened up at will. Tyrone scored 0-9 in that half but that flattered Kerry hugely. The whole "puke football" thing was based on one 35 minutes of football in the second half that day (and a fair bit of sour grapes). Fair play to Spillane though, he still has people buying into it 8 years on ;).
Still feel Dublin will win easily enough on Sunday by 5 or 6 points at least.
Lads Donegal GAA Golf Classic is on this Friday and the Harcourt Hotel is hosting the event afterwards.
There are Six Hogan Stand Tickets going in the raffle and a few men from the class of 92 are hopefully going to make an appearance.
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=278205975528936
As for the match the Dubs have been living with hype for a long time but I feel gilroy is doing a good job keeping their feet on the ground. if anything in Dublin the lads can walk down grafton St as any other schmo. In Donegal the lads are probably getting plagued.
Has anyone any spare tickets? The wife and her sister want to go but I can't as I'm getting my his replacement op tomorrow. They are from Donegal but their cousin is MD Macauley so they can't decide who they're supporting. I think Donegal.
It's very tight in Dublin. There were no extras at all available in the ticket office this morrning for clubs. If I come across any I'll pm you.
Regarding the Tyrone 2003 comparison, I was really referring to how they evolved as a team into playing brilliant football - leaving stats aside, I didn't think their football in 2003 was easy on the eye.
I agree with LDA, Tyrone played brilliant attacking football in 2003 but did employ a cynical and defensive style against Kerry and to a lesser degree Armagh in the final. Outside of those two games Tyrone were generally a joy to watch.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on August 24, 2011, 01:05:07 PM
Quote from: heffo on August 23, 2011, 08:00:01 PM
Irrespective of how Sunday's game goes though, Donegal are now a serious team.
They remind me somewhat of Tyrone in 2003 - Tyrone then played a horrible brand of football in 2003 (imo) and then evolved into a great team playing great football.
I know this analogy has been made a fair bit over the summer but for me it's a very poor one. Tyrone in 2003 certainly did pull men back behind the ball at times but they also poured forward in numbers and played some very good football. Tyrone ran up some huge scores that summer. The difference in their tally compared to Donegal this summer is striking. Tyrone got 88 scores over 5 games to win Ulster compared to Donegal's 47 over 4 games this year. Add in the quarter finals and Tyrone reached the AI semi final having got 110 scores compared to Donegal having 60 at the same stage this year. Tyrone did certainly play a defensive game in the second half against Kerry in 2003 but other than that their style that summer was far more expansive than anything Donegal have shown this year. Ultimately I don't believe Donegal have the same attacking talent that Tyrone had in 2003 anyway, but the style they play is not the same.
Find it hard to understand that somebody could watch Tyrone's games in 2003 and say the brand of football was "horrid".
3 points:
1. you're looking @ the past through rose tinted glasses...the introduction of the blanket defence was an abomination to the game, coupled with the constant diving and feigning of injury was very much 'horrid'
2. Tyrone introduced the blanket defence and in 2003, they were playing against opposition who played with 6 forwards, who actually played as forwards hence the chance of posting higher scores was higher
3. score wise, (the bit in bold) your stats are very distorted. Not to be overly pedantic, but Tyrone winning Ulster including 2 x replays, coupled with playing Fermanagh (no disrespect intended) in a q/f @ Croke Pk fairly ups the scoring to 106 plus you havent included Donegals score of 1-12 forenenst Kildare in the quater-final!
I think the hype surrounding this Dublin team is repairing the ozone layer
In the context of the 'moderrin game', do people that have a problem with attackers that defend also have a problem with defenders that attack?
I've never heard a pundit say "It's great to see defenders going up the field and confidently kicking scores".
Quote from: J OGorman on August 24, 2011, 02:51:15 PM
3 points:
1. you're looking @ the past through rose tinted glasses...the introduction of the blanket defence was an abomination to the game, coupled with the constant diving and feigning of injury was very much 'horrid'
2. Tyrone introduced the blanket defence and in 2003, they were playing against opposition who played with 6 forwards, who actually played as forwards hence the chance of posting higher scores was higher.
3. score wise, (the bit in bold) your stats are very distorted. Not to be overly pedantic, but Tyrone winning Ulster including 2 x replays, coupled with playing Fermanagh (no disrespect intended) in a q/f @ Croke Pk fairly ups the scoring to 106 plus you havent included Donegals score of 1-12 forenenst Kildare in the quater-final!
I think the hype surrounding this Dublin team is repairing the ozone layer
1 + 2. I don't think it's credible to suggest Tyrone "introduced" the blanket defence in 2003, other teams had operated similar enough systems previously. Armagh themselves had something like it the year before. It's an overly simplistic myth (albeit now generally accepted by some as the truth) that football changed in 2003. Did they invent the blanket attack that year as well? It's also a myth to say Tyrone ran up these totals against sides playing traditional systems, I can think of 3 matches at least against sides who lined up somewhat defensively. I don't agree that there was "constant diving and feigning of injury" either.
I can accept that the second half against Kerry was a defensive display and that the final was a poor match, but can't believe anybody can watch back over Tyrone's championship season in 2003 and not appreciate some of the great football and fantastic scores. Tyrone between 2003 and 2005 played in some brilliant matches in league and championship, absolute classics. I accept heffo's subsequent clarification of his post that he wasn't making a direct comparison between the style of Tyrone 2003 and Donegal 2011.
3. How are stats distorted? I made it clear that Tyrone's tally was over
5 games in Ulster compared to Donegal's 4. And the 1-12 Donegal scored against Kildare
is counted.
Your point about the percieved weakness of Fermanagh is debatable. They had beaten Donegal (who went on to play a close match against Armagh in the All-Ireland semi final) in Ulster and gone on to beat Mayo and Meath in the qualifiers. The following season they removed Armagh and came very close to beating Mayo to reach an All-Ireland final. Indeed you could make a decent argument for saying that the Fermanagh side of 2003/04 that you have written off achieved more than the current Kildare team have to date.
This is all irrelevant to Sunday's match anyway and heffo has clarified his initial post anyway. For what it's worth I don't think Dublin are over hyped, they seem to have their feet on the ground this time. They have been building for a while now and I think they are now coming along nicely. I would actually argue that Donegal are over hyped this summer, I don't believe they are up to competing with the very best teams in the country. Sunday will reveal all....
some good points there. For Dublin to beat Tyrone in the manner that they did and keep their feet on the ground is both down to Gilroy. Hes a class manager and will prove it this year with an all ireland win. Just imagine the celebrations, blue balloons rising to the sky in O Connell street, Pints of Guinness charged at 1995 prices, the hill singing Molly malone. magic
Will it be Dublin prices or Kerry prices?
Quote from: heffo on August 24, 2011, 10:31:58 AM
Quote from: Hardy on August 24, 2011, 10:29:25 AM
It seems to me that Dublin's obsessive determination not to be seen as hyping themselves up is weighing heavily on them and eroding their self confidence. It could be a deciding factor on match day. Dublin teams traditionally need to feed off the razzmatazz that convinces them they're ten points better than the opposition. This self-effacing demeanour suggests a haunting fear of failure that could be paralysing.
That'll have to be filed under 'must try harder' Hardy. Dissapointing. 4/10.
Ah come on now...the swagger and razzmatazz is part of who you are.... you know you want to, you dubs really want to
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oytBb-N_m2Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oytBb-N_m2Q)
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 24, 2011, 09:04:16 PM
Quote from: heffo on August 24, 2011, 10:31:58 AM
Quote from: Hardy on August 24, 2011, 10:29:25 AM
It seems to me that Dublin's obsessive determination not to be seen as hyping themselves up is weighing heavily on them and eroding their self confidence. It could be a deciding factor on match day. Dublin teams traditionally need to feed off the razzmatazz that convinces them they're ten points better than the opposition. This self-effacing demeanour suggests a haunting fear of failure that could be paralysing.
That'll have to be filed under 'must try harder' Hardy. Dissapointing. 4/10.
Ah come on now...the swagger and razzmatazz is part of who you are.... you know you want to, you dubs really want to
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oytBb-N_m2Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oytBb-N_m2Q)
FM104 - The voice of a city.
Was in Dublin over the weekend. The people of Dublin City are collectively holding their breath, but for how long. The town is like a pressure cooker. The whole population is bursting to go on a huge celebratory rip, I have a feeling if they open up a 3 point lead by half time on Donegal that the partying will start... The headline writers will create, the pundits will coo, the hill will sing, and the players will dream, and cry with adrenaline and joy its all finally going to happen..... and accross the corridor, deep in the bowels of Croke Park, the Donegal players will trudge in, Jimmy Mc Guinness will lay down a suitcase on the table in the centre of the dressing room floor, the players will gather round and observe. Jimmy clips opens the latches and pulls up the lid. A bright light bathes the room, and each player looks at the others and reassured laughter echoes down the corridor. How could we ever doubt? They calmly take their places for the second half. Donegal by 5...
When is this match on again lads? Is it this weekend or next??
:D
mcguinness on the task ahead...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/14638022.stm
Frank McGuigan tips Donegal against an 'overhyped'? Dublin
http://www.examiner.ie/sport/gaa/battered-tyrone-need-to-be-rebuilt-declares-mcguigan-165311.html
Quote from: heffo on August 25, 2011, 09:21:41 AM
Frank McGuigan tips Donegal against an 'overhyped'? Dublin
http://www.examiner.ie/sport/gaa/battered-tyrone-need-to-be-rebuilt-declares-mcguigan-165311.html
As does Brian McEniff.
Have to say Gilroy and Co have played a PR blinder here. Not a peep from them and most media is focused on Donegal.
In my estate only one house with flag outside and it is a Donegal flag.
A real gallows style funereal type of attitude prevailing in the city.............. having lost 4 AISFs in a row, Donegal and their magnificently honed defensive system must be licking their lips.
Keep focused lads..........
and remember, the goals will look after themselves.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcOkoTLQMDs&feature=related
Some amount of hot air coming out of the donegal camp this week..................yerra they must be taking tips
Come on lads – time for some choir practice .........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqvo6pdqpA0&NR=1
I think a dry day is forecast for Sunday.
That'll suit the Dubs.
Quote from: Canalman on August 25, 2011, 09:51:02 AM
Quote from: heffo on August 25, 2011, 09:21:41 AM
Frank McGuigan tips Donegal against an 'overhyped'? Dublin
http://www.examiner.ie/sport/gaa/battered-tyrone-need-to-be-rebuilt-declares-mcguigan-165311.html
As does Brian McEniff.
Have to say Gilroy and Co have played a PR blinder here. Not a peep from them and most media is focused on Donegal.
In my estate only one house with flag outside and it is a Donegal flag.
A real gallows style funereal type of attitude prevailing in the city.............. having lost 4 AISFs in a row, Donegal and their magnificently honed defensive system must be licking their lips.
feared of the flags fraying too much before the final :)
Quote from: Jinxy on August 25, 2011, 11:50:09 AM
I think a dry day is forecast for Sunday.
That'll suit the Dubs.
Yerra I heard it was to be a wet one..................... mcguinness hair will be blowing in the wind, his tight tracksuit bottoms pulled up around his waist
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 25, 2011, 01:42:40 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 25, 2011, 11:50:09 AM
I think a dry day is forecast for Sunday.
That'll suit the Dubs.
Yerra I heard it was to be a wet one..................... mcguinness hair will be blowing in the wind, his tight tracksuit bottoms pulled up around his waist
Whatever turns you on
:-[
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 25, 2011, 10:43:39 AM
Some amount of hot air coming out of the donegal camp this week..................yerra they must be taking tips
Have you been up?
We'll go into Sunday as underdogs, and it suits us perfectly.
for us donegal supporters, there's been very little from our team to whet the appetite. i wish there was more, but they're understandably trying to keep focussed. in that bbc vid i posted earlier on this page, mcguinness is realistic about the task ahead and on how good the dubs are and the dangers they poise. but he's nice and relaxed too and that's good for the players.
not much coming out of the dub camp either and there'll be nothing controversial from either camp. they're neither of them daft.
Some American friends flying into Dublin on Sunday morning. Obviously won't get a chance to get to the game - but where would be good to take in the match (may have a young child with them), and see some of the colour and excitement before the game?
Any advice appreciated.
Bring them down to the big tree dude in drumcondra.....................plenty of craic agus ceoil
I've just watched a report from Donegal on the six o'clock news on RTE television. The hype in the county seems to be at boiling point with flags and colours all over the place. There seems to be a terrible weight of expectation building up among the whole population up there – not at all like '92. There's no way that Donegal will be able to come in under the radar this time.
Quote from: Puckoon on August 25, 2011, 05:49:37 PM
Some American friends flying into Dublin on Sunday morning. Obviously won't get a chance to get to the game - but where would be good to take in the match (may have a young child with them), and see some of the colour and excitement before the game?
Any advice appreciated.
Jury's Hotel at Croke would be right in the middle of it all Puck (space out the back for fresh(ish) air). Failing that, anywhere along Dorset Street into the centre, or Jurys Inn on the Quays, etc.
Cheers boys.
H'up the Dubs.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 25, 2011, 06:50:49 PM
I've just watched a report from Donegal on the six o'clock news on RTE television. The hype in the county seems to be at boiling point with flags and colours all over the place. There seems to be a terrible weight of expectation building up among the whole population up there – not at all like '92. There's no way that Donegal will be able to come in under the radar this time.
:D interesting to see you forcing your own subjectivity onto donegal. stop worrying. it'll be alright.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 25, 2011, 06:59:24 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on August 25, 2011, 05:49:37 PM
Some American friends flying into Dublin on Sunday morning. Obviously won't get a chance to get to the game - but where would be good to take in the match (may have a young child with them), and see some of the colour and excitement before the game?
Any advice appreciated.
Jury's Hotel at Croke would be right in the middle of it all Puck (space out the back for fresh(ish) air). Failing that, anywhere along Dorset Street into the centre, or Jurys Inn on the Quays, etc.
Jurys Croke park would be the last place in Dublin I'd bring tourists on Sunday especially if they have kids.
Are the first four rows in the Cusack,Hogan & canal end going to blocked off again this Sunday?
Quote from: cadence on August 25, 2011, 08:06:47 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 25, 2011, 06:50:49 PM
I've just watched a report from Donegal on the six o'clock news on RTE television. The hype in the county seems to be at boiling point with flags and colours all over the place. There seems to be a terrible weight of expectation building up among the whole population up there – not at all like '92. There's no way that Donegal will be able to come in under the radar this time.
:D interesting to see you forcing your own subjectivity onto donegal. stop worrying. it'll be alright.
With Martin McHugh tipping us, what's there to worry about? ;)
Quote from: ross4life on August 25, 2011, 08:31:25 PM
Are the first four rows in the Cusack,Hogan & canal end going to blocked off again this Sunday?
No.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 25, 2011, 08:33:39 PM
Quote from: cadence on August 25, 2011, 08:06:47 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 25, 2011, 06:50:49 PM
I've just watched a report from Donegal on the six o'clock news on RTE television. The hype in the county seems to be at boiling point with flags and colours all over the place. There seems to be a terrible weight of expectation building up among the whole population up there – not at all like '92. There's no way that Donegal will be able to come in under the radar this time.
:D interesting to see you forcing your own subjectivity onto donegal. stop worrying. it'll be alright.
With Martin McHugh tipping us, what's there to worry about? ;)
i've a few shillings on you mesell.
Quote from: cadence on August 25, 2011, 05:28:52 PM
there's been very little from our team to whet the appetite. i wish there was more
Here's a few tidbits to keep you ticking over
Karl Lacey - http://www.herald.ie/sport/gaa/we-must-up-it-for-dublin-2856242.html
Cassidy - http://www.herald.ie/sport/gaa/gaelic-cassidy-vows-donegal-will-smother-dubsrsquo-star-attack-2855588.html
Jim McGuinness - http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2011/0824/donegal.html
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2011/0824/donegal.html
Yep indeed Heffo. Donegal are very sure of themselves. Me Eniff declaring we wont be able to cope with the blanket defence despite the fact our 21's coped comfortably with the exact same system last year in Brefni Park.
Can Donegal cope with the hype within their own county? Time will tell.
We'll try and turn up and give them a game anyway.
If we can.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 25, 2011, 09:10:58 PM
Yep indeed Heffo. Donegal are very sure of themselves. Me Eniff declaring we wont be able to cope with the blanket defence despite the fact our 21's coped comfortably with the exact same system last year in Brefni Park.
Can Donegal cope with the hype within their own county? Time will tell.
We'll try and turn up and give them a game anyway.
If we can.
It's going to very hard to overcome the Ulster champs Sunday Indiana.
Brian McEniff is right, we haven't had to face anything like the structured defensive system they employ and then have class like Murphy, McFadden & Hegarty up front to live off the scraps.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 25, 2011, 09:10:58 PM
Yep indeed Heffo. Donegal are very sure of themselves. Me Eniff declaring we wont be able to cope with the blanket defence despite the fact our 21's coped comfortably with the exact same system last year in Brefni Park.
Can Donegal cope with the hype within their own county? Time will tell.
We'll try and turn up and give them a game anyway.
If we can.
Don't know about comfortably, if it wasn't for Murphy missing a penalty Donegal would have won.
cheers heffo and @ indiana, please try to be nice to us poor donegal folk, we're only up for the day out.
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 25, 2011, 09:19:13 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 25, 2011, 09:10:58 PM
Yep indeed Heffo. Donegal are very sure of themselves. Me Eniff declaring we wont be able to cope with the blanket defence despite the fact our 21's coped comfortably with the exact same system last year in Brefni Park.
Can Donegal cope with the hype within their own county? Time will tell.
We'll try and turn up and give them a game anyway.
If we can.
Don't know about comfortably, if it wasn't for Murphy missing a penalty Donegal would have won.
If's, but's, should'ves & couldv'es are great. Dublin would have about sixty All-Ireland if it wasn't for them.
Quote from: cadence on August 25, 2011, 09:20:14 PM
cheers heffo and @ indiana, please try to be nice to us poor donegal folk, we're only up for the day out.
There is going to be about 30k of you people there Sunday Cadence, just be gracious in victory. We're fragile enough as it is.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 25, 2011, 09:10:58 PM
Yep indeed Heffo. Donegal are very sure of themselves. Me Eniff declaring we wont be able to cope with the blanket defence despite the fact our 21's coped comfortably with the exact same system last year in Brefni Park.
Can Donegal cope with the hype within their own county? Time will tell.
We'll try and turn up and give them a game anyway.
If we can.
Did Murphy not miss a last minute penalty that would have won the game for Donegal? Now I didn't see the game but 1-10 to 1-8 hardly sounds comfortable. Sounds to me like a war of attrition that could have gone either way.
These are 2 different teams though so who knows what will happen. I'm not a huge fan of either the Dubs or Donegal and it will hardly be a classic I should imagine although I do think it wil be intersting to see how it pans out. If Dublin play the way they did against Tyrone they will win but I can't see Connolly doing that again, strikes me as the sort of boy that when it's put up to him and he has someone in his face he will go missing. Donegal on the other hand don't have a lot of scoring power bar Murphy but if McFadden finds his form they could possibly sneak it.
I'm going to go for a draw and Pat Spillane to get the Wigan Warriors over to play the winners of the replay as Kerry shouldn't lower themselves to playing against gym monkeys given their far superior footballing ability!!
Quote from: heffo on August 25, 2011, 09:21:15 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 25, 2011, 09:19:13 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 25, 2011, 09:10:58 PM
Yep indeed Heffo. Donegal are very sure of themselves. Me Eniff declaring we wont be able to cope with the blanket defence despite the fact our 21's coped comfortably with the exact same system last year in Brefni Park.
Can Donegal cope with the hype within their own county? Time will tell.
We'll try and turn up and give them a game anyway.
If we can.
Don't know about comfortably, if it wasn't for Murphy missing a penalty Donegal would have won.
If's, but's, should'ves & couldv'es are great. Dublin would have about sixty All-Ireland if it wasn't for them.
It was the deciding factor & reading INDIANA post one would think Dublin won by 10 plus points.
Quote from: heffo on August 25, 2011, 09:23:09 PM
Quote from: cadence on August 25, 2011, 09:20:14 PM
cheers heffo and @ indiana, please try to be nice to us poor donegal folk, we're only up for the day out.
There is going to be about 30k of you people there Sunday Cadence, just be gracious in victory. We're fragile enough as it is.
aw now!
Quote from: screenexile on August 25, 2011, 09:25:19 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 25, 2011, 09:10:58 PM
Yep indeed Heffo. Donegal are very sure of themselves. Me Eniff declaring we wont be able to cope with the blanket defence despite the fact our 21's coped comfortably with the exact same system last year in Brefni Park.
Can Donegal cope with the hype within their own county? Time will tell.
We'll try and turn up and give them a game anyway.
If we can.
Did Murphy not miss a last minute penalty that would have won the game for Donegal? Now I didn't see the game but 1-10 to 1-8 hardly sounds comfortable. Sounds to me like a war of attrition that could have gone either way.
These are 2 different teams though so who knows what will happen. I'm not a huge fan of either the Dubs or Donegal and it will hardly be a classic I should imagine although I do think it wil be intersting to see how it pans out. If Dublin play the way they did against Tyrone they will win but I can't see Connolly doing that again, strikes me as the sort of boy that when it's put up to him and he has someone in his face he will go missing. Donegal on the other hand don't have a lot of scoring power bar Murphy but if McFadden finds his form they could possibly sneak it.
I'm going to go for a draw and Pat Spillane to get the Wigan Warriors over to play the winners of the replay as Kerry shouldn't lower themselves to playing against gym monkeys given their far superior footballing ability!!
Yeah but we got some specialised gym monkeys in from your neck of the woods at the weekend to help us penetrate the blanket defence.
We figured on your advice with your one all-ireland in 120 years there was obviously something we were missing. So this could be our secret weapon at the weekend.
But then again your chimps couldnt beat Donegal. Maybe they needed more bananas.
Quote from: heffo on August 25, 2011, 08:16:47 PM
Jurys Croke park would be the last place in Dublin I'd bring tourists on Sunday especially if they have kids.
Yeah, not the place necessarily for the single kid they might have, but for themselves it would be total immersion.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 25, 2011, 10:25:21 PM
Quote from: heffo on August 25, 2011, 08:16:47 PM
Jurys Croke park would be the last place in Dublin I'd bring tourists on Sunday especially if they have kids.
Yeah, not the place necessarily for the single kid they might have, but for themselves it would be total immersion.
U wont get down that far without a ticket dudes
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 25, 2011, 10:27:54 PM
U wont get down that far without a ticket dudes
A word in an Garda's ear would do the trick! ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 25, 2011, 10:38:35 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 25, 2011, 10:27:54 PM
U wont get down that far without a ticket dudes
A word in an Garda's ear would do the trick! ;)
Not so sure dude...they have a sterner face on when the super dubs are playing................ ;)
Please stop using the word Dude in every post....we're not in the states ;D
Paddy Power, Dubs way out in front:
Metropolitans 2/5
Draw 15/2
Tir Chonaill 5/2
The game will look after itself. But here s one of many great versions of a great song.
Tír Chonaill abú.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iKRpSn4wjg
Or better again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jZoPA1gPUU&feature=related
And one of my favourite performances of any song ever. God rest you Ronnie.
Up the Dubs!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LKk9op-RAA
Quote from: cadence on August 25, 2011, 09:34:28 PM
Quote from: heffo on August 25, 2011, 09:23:09 PM
Quote from: cadence on August 25, 2011, 09:20:14 PM
cheers heffo and @ indiana, please try to be nice to us poor donegal folk, we're only up for the day out.
There is going to be about 30k of you people there Sunday Cadence, just be gracious in victory. We're fragile enough as it is.
aw now!
you get that message heffo?
Quote from: moysider on August 25, 2011, 10:52:27 PM
The game will look after itself. But here s one of many great versions of a great song.
Tír Chonaill abú.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iKRpSn4wjg
Or better again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jZoPA1gPUU&feature=related
that reminds me.... muiread ni mhaonaigh's v from the transatlatic sessions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwHGgZ-H36I
Quote from: cadence on August 25, 2011, 11:08:59 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 25, 2011, 10:52:27 PM
The game will look after itself. But here s one of many great versions of a great song.
Tír Chonaill abú.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iKRpSn4wjg
Or better again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jZoPA1gPUU&feature=related
that reminds me.... muiread ni mhaonaigh's v from the transatlatic sessions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwHGgZ-H36I
She s a national treasure.
Quote from: moysider on August 25, 2011, 11:12:58 PM
Quote from: cadence on August 25, 2011, 11:08:59 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 25, 2011, 10:52:27 PM
The game will look after itself. But here s one of many great versions of a great song.
Tír Chonaill abú.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iKRpSn4wjg
Or better again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jZoPA1gPUU&feature=related
that reminds me.... muiread ni mhaonaigh's v from the transatlatic sessions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwHGgZ-H36I
She s a national treasure.
as the hipsters would say, next level shit.
Quote from: cadence on August 25, 2011, 11:01:10 PM
Quote from: cadence on August 25, 2011, 09:34:28 PM
Quote from: heffo on August 25, 2011, 09:23:09 PM
Quote from: cadence on August 25, 2011, 09:20:14 PM
cheers heffo and @ indiana, please try to be nice to us poor donegal folk, we're only up for the day out.
There is going to be about 30k of you people there Sunday Cadence, just be gracious in victory. We're fragile enough as it is.
aw now!
you get that message heffo?
Did indeed Cadence. Anyone else around Dublin this evening want freebies to the DubHub in Cassidys this evening??
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 25, 2011, 09:19:13 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 25, 2011, 09:10:58 PM
Yep indeed Heffo. Donegal are very sure of themselves. Me Eniff declaring we wont be able to cope with the blanket defence despite the fact our 21's coped comfortably with the exact same system last year in Brefni Park.
Can Donegal cope with the hype within their own county? Time will tell.
We'll try and turn up and give them a game anyway.
If we can.
Don't know about comfortably, if it wasn't for Murphy missing a penalty Donegal would have won.
The same could be said about Charlie Redmond's missed penalty seven minutes into the 1992 final. Dublin were rampant at the time and Donegal were hanging on by their finger nails. If Charlie had put the ball in the net, Donegal might still be waiting for their first AI senior football title.
How many from last years U-21 final are playing?
Quote from: thejuice on August 26, 2011, 10:17:51 AM
How many from last years U-21 final are playing?
Two from Dublin starting - McCarthy & O'Carroll - three more on panel - Murray, Devereaux & Nelson.
From Donegal - Murphy, Mcgrath & McHugh
Quote from: heffo on August 26, 2011, 08:42:03 AM
Did indeed Cadence. Anyone else around Dublin this evening want freebies to the DubHub in Cassidys this evening??
I'd say there'll be some craic in Cassidys - Dublin/donegal pub !
Heff- I nearly crashed the car yesterday morning - the pundits on Newstalk completely wrote off donegals chances. I was expecting to hear you phoning in to 'arsebox' !!
:D
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 26, 2011, 10:32:22 AM
Quote from: heffo on August 26, 2011, 08:42:03 AM
Did indeed Cadence. Anyone else around Dublin this evening want freebies to the DubHub in Cassidys this evening??
I'd say there'll be some craic in Cassidys - Dublin/donegal pub !
Heff- I nearly crashed the car yesterday morning - the pundits on Newstalk completely wrote off donegals chances. I was expecting to hear you phoning in to 'arsebox' !!
:D
Couldn't get through on the phone LB!
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 26, 2011, 09:42:00 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 25, 2011, 09:19:13 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 25, 2011, 09:10:58 PM
Yep indeed Heffo. Donegal are very sure of themselves. Me Eniff declaring we wont be able to cope with the blanket defence despite the fact our 21's coped comfortably with the exact same system last year in Brefni Park.
Can Donegal cope with the hype within their own county? Time will tell.
We'll try and turn up and give them a game anyway.
If we can.
Don't know about comfortably, if it wasn't for Murphy missing a penalty Donegal would have won.
The same could be said about Charlie Redmond's missed penalty seven minutes into the 1992 final. Dublin were rampant at the time and Donegal were hanging on by their finger nails. If Charlie had put the ball in the net, Donegal might still be waiting for their first AI senior football title.
Or if McHugh's shot in the first half had found the net instead of the crossbar. If you are going to consider the "if"s in a game, consider them all.
Quote from: RMDrive on August 26, 2011, 10:44:32 AM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 26, 2011, 09:42:00 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 25, 2011, 09:19:13 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 25, 2011, 09:10:58 PM
Yep indeed Heffo. Donegal are very sure of themselves. Me Eniff declaring we wont be able to cope with the blanket defence despite the fact our 21's coped comfortably with the exact same system last year in Brefni Park.
Can Donegal cope with the hype within their own county? Time will tell.
We'll try and turn up and give them a game anyway.
If we can.
Don't know about comfortably, if it wasn't for Murphy missing a penalty Donegal would have won.
The same could be said about Charlie Redmond's missed penalty seven minutes into the 1992 final. Dublin were rampant at the time and Donegal were hanging on by their finger nails. If Charlie had put the ball in the net, Donegal might still be waiting for their first AI senior football title.
Or if McHugh's shot in the first half had found the net instead of the crossbar. If you are going to consider the "if"s in a game, consider them all.
I didn't start the "ifs".
The Dubs stick with the same team for Sunday.
http://www.hill16.ie/index.php?/home/comments/no-changes-for-semi-final/
DONGL SF v Dub:
Durcan;
McGrath, McGee, McGlynn;
Thompsn, Lacey, Cassidy;
Kavangh, Gallaghr;
McHugh, Hegarty, Bradley;
McBrearty, Murphy, McFaddn.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 26, 2011, 10:50:28 AM
Quote from: RMDrive on August 26, 2011, 10:44:32 AM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 26, 2011, 09:42:00 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 25, 2011, 09:19:13 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 25, 2011, 09:10:58 PM
Yep indeed Heffo. Donegal are very sure of themselves. Me Eniff declaring we wont be able to cope with the blanket defence despite the fact our 21's coped comfortably with the exact same system last year in Brefni Park.
Can Donegal cope with the hype within their own county? Time will tell.
We'll try and turn up and give them a game anyway.
If we can.
Don't know about comfortably, if it wasn't for Murphy missing a penalty Donegal would have won.
The same could be said about Charlie Redmond's missed penalty seven minutes into the 1992 final. Dublin were rampant at the time and Donegal were hanging on by their finger nails. If Charlie had put the ball in the net, Donegal might still be waiting for their first AI senior football title.
Or if McHugh's shot in the first half had found the net instead of the crossbar. If you are going to consider the "if"s in a game, consider them all.
I didn't start the "ifs".
The Dubs stick with the same team for Sunday.
http://www.hill16.ie/index.php?/home/comments/no-changes-for-semi-final/
It's got nothing to do with the missed penalty or any ifs or buts... Indiana said that Dublin U21s were "comfortably" dealing with Donegal's blanket defence last year. That was not the case. Certainly nobody is saying Donegal were comfortable when they won the AIF in 1992.
Quote from: Goldengreen on August 26, 2011, 10:56:19 AM
DONGL SF v Dub:
Durcan;
McGrath, McGee, McGlynn;
Thompsn, Lacey, Cassidy;
Kavangh, Gallaghr;
McHugh, Hegarty, Bradley;
McBrearty, Murphy, McFaddn.
looking good!
I can't believe that I am defending Kentucky/Ohio here but last year's U21 final was a game that imo Dubln dominated but could never put Donegal away............... and nearly lost as a result. Can sort of see where he is coming from although "comfortably" isn't the choice word I would use.
Not knocking Donegal U21s at all, just my opinion on that particular game in Cavan.
should this not read:
Durcan
McGrath, McGee, McGlynn; Thompsn, Lacey, Cassidy; Kavangh, Gallaghr; McHugh, Hegarty, Bradley;
Murphy
McBrearty, McFaddn
?
Anthony Rainbow gives a good preview of the match here.
http://gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/2/2608111143-rainbows-verdict-football-column-aug-26/
Quote from: put-it-up-again on August 26, 2011, 12:29:08 PM
Anthony Rainbow gives a good preview of the match here.
http://gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/2/2608111143-rainbows-verdict-football-column-aug-26/
A pretty fair assessment
Looking forward to this one. Can't see more than a couple of points in it either way. Hopefully we can do it. Dubs by 2!!
Ive a feeling in my waters of a 1 point game.........or a draw perhaps
Hi guys,
Hate to hi-jack the thread, but just wanted to make those of you heading to the game this weekend aware of a fundraiser my Club, Drumragh Sarsfields, are doing
Basically, 150 of our club members are taking part in a Solo Run, in relay, all the way from our club grounds just outside Omagh, Co.Tyrone, to Croke Park in time for the All-Ireland Semi-Final
We start off on Saturday morning and keep going right through the night until we reach Croker. Our Club members have already raised alot of sponsorship to complete our developments, but in addition to this, we will be collecting along the route for the 'Michaela Foundation' set up in memory of Michaela McAreavey (nee Harte)
Our route will take us through some 14 towns and villages, along the A5 N2 road to Dublin and we would really appreciate it if you showed your support along the route, and even threw a euro or two into the collection buckets for the Michaela Foundation. There'll be lots of us also collecting outside Croker wearing green Great Solo Run jerseys.
1 Ball
30 Hours
115 Miles
150 People
36,000 Solos
For more info, check out www.greatsolorun.net
Enjoy the match guys! Lets hope whoever wins it, takes home SAM in September ;)
Quote from: Canalman on August 26, 2011, 11:44:44 AM
I can't believe that I am defending Kentucky/Ohio here but last year's U21 final was a game that imo Dubln dominated but could never put Donegal away............... and nearly lost as a result. Can sort of see where he is coming from although "comfortably" isn't the choice word I would use.
Not knocking Donegal U21s at all, just my opinion on that particular game in Cavan.
Nevertheless its exactly the same system. I watched Donegal from a height against Kildare and wrote it down on my programme and compared to my notes on the 21 final from last year.
And there are ways around it. I'd imagine Dublin have a few ideas about this. ;D
The key is to score a goal. If we do we'll have a great chance.
Dublin 1-1 Donegal 0-3.
Quote from: WeeDonns on August 26, 2011, 06:26:37 PM
Hi guys,
Hate to hi-jack the thread, but just wanted to make those of you heading to the game this weekend aware of a fundraiser my Club, Drumragh Sarsfields, are doing
Basically, 150 of our club members are taking part in a Solo Run, in relay, all the way from our club grounds just outside Omagh, Co.Tyrone, to Croke Park in time for the All-Ireland Semi-Final
We start off on Saturday morning and keep going right through the night until we reach Croker. Our Club members have already raised alot of sponsorship to complete our developments, but in addition to this, we will be collecting along the route for the 'Michaela Foundation' set up in memory of Michaela McAreavey (nee Harte)
Our route will take us through some 14 towns and villages, along the A5 N2 road to Dublin and we would really appreciate it if you showed your support along the route, and even threw a euro or two into the collection buckets for the Michaela Foundation. There'll be lots of us also collecting outside Croker wearing green Great Solo Run jerseys.
1 Ball
30 Hours
115 Miles
150 People
36,000 Solos
For more info, check out www.greatsolorun.net
Enjoy the match guys! Lets hope whoever wins it, takes home SAM in September ;)
If someone over carries do you have to go all the way back to the start?
Does the sell out this weekend indicate the hype is in full flow?
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 26, 2011, 09:12:47 PM
Does the sell out this weekend indicate the hype is in full flow?
In Donegal yes, there'll be more Hegartys, McGonigles, Cassidys & what not there Sunday than you can shake a stick at.
Quote from: heffo on August 26, 2011, 09:15:40 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 26, 2011, 09:12:47 PM
Does the sell out this weekend indicate the hype is in full flow?
In Donegal yes, there'll be more Hegartys, McGonigles, Cassidys & what not there Sunday than you can shake a stick at.
What's the ticket spread that should give us a better indicator.
Not much hype in Dublin but there is an expectation that they will win with a few points to spare. No one looking to Kerry yet though. If Dublin goal they will pull clear I feel, Donegal need to goal to win and if it's a point only game Dublin should come through. It won't be pretty but it will be intriguing and have a good seat to view it from even if it is in the upper tier. Donegal will shock the life out of Dublin and leave them in good shape for the final, Dublin by 2.
Kevin Cassidy's memory of the drawn game in 2002 must be blurred from the session afterwards:
"If you look back at that game, we had the game won and we threw it away"
http://examiner.ie/sport/gaa/cassidy-laments-bad-old-days-165621.html
My recollection is that Donegal scrambled a draw with Adrian Sweeney scoring an equaliser with the last kick of the game.
Quote from: blanketattack on August 24, 2011, 12:16:16 PM
Quote from: Goldengreen on August 24, 2011, 09:59:43 AM
interesting insight to the mentality of the Dublin players going into the AI final in 92
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/carr-i-knew-dubs-would-lose-92-final-a-month-beforehand-2856006.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/carr-i-knew-dubs-would-lose-92-final-a-month-beforehand-2856006.html)
Most of the Dublin team were at the Kerry-Mayo semi last Sunday, presumably with the same mentality.
No they weren't.
Quote from: heffo on August 27, 2011, 02:51:16 PM
Kevin Cassidy's memory of the drawn game in 2002 must be blurred from the session afterwards:
"If you look back at that game, we had the game won and we threw it away"
http://examiner.ie/sport/gaa/cassidy-laments-bad-old-days-165621.html
My recollection is that Donegal scrambled a draw with Adrian Sweeney scoring an equaliser with the last kick of the game.
liked the bit about the 4-5 years plan mcguinness is going to implement. it's great that he's so young, inspired and driven. the man's infectious. be very interesting to see where 5 years development under our belts would take us. we'd be killer i reckon.
Quote from: cadence on August 27, 2011, 03:22:16 PM
Quote from: heffo on August 27, 2011, 02:51:16 PM
Kevin Cassidy's memory of the drawn game in 2002 must be blurred from the session afterwards:
"If you look back at that game, we had the game won and we threw it away"
http://examiner.ie/sport/gaa/cassidy-laments-bad-old-days-165621.html
My recollection is that Donegal scrambled a draw with Adrian Sweeney scoring an equaliser with the last kick of the game.
liked the bit about the 4-5 years plan mcguinness is going to implement. it's great that he's so young, inspired and driven. the man's infectious. be very interesting to see where 5 years development under our belts would take us. we'd be killer i reckon.
It's great that he has this long term plan and obviously after the great year so far he'll hopefully get the space to continue that. Having said that, there is no reason they can't win the AI outright this year.
Quote from: heffo on August 27, 2011, 03:58:17 PM
Quote from: cadence on August 27, 2011, 03:22:16 PM
Quote from: heffo on August 27, 2011, 02:51:16 PM
Kevin Cassidy's memory of the drawn game in 2002 must be blurred from the session afterwards:
"If you look back at that game, we had the game won and we threw it away"
http://examiner.ie/sport/gaa/cassidy-laments-bad-old-days-165621.html
My recollection is that Donegal scrambled a draw with Adrian Sweeney scoring an equaliser with the last kick of the game.
liked the bit about the 4-5 years plan mcguinness is going to implement. it's great that he's so young, inspired and driven. the man's infectious. be very interesting to see where 5 years development under our belts would take us. we'd be killer i reckon.
It's great that he has this long term plan and obviously after the great year so far he'll hopefully get the space to continue that. Having said that, there is no reason they can't win the AI outright this year.
I think Kerry are a very good reason as to why they won't
Don't do the 5 year plan lads and Jim stop following Tyrone and Mickey Harte. Haha
Its a terrible place that we're in now where we can't go back or forward. A bit like me with these new crutches.
I haven't read the thread for a while so maybe this has already been mentioned but does anyone think that Michael Murphy has really to have a stormer game yet. Gooch showed glimpses last Sunday and I just feel Murphy has yet to show his true potential. Yes of course its much harder now for forwards to stand out the way they used to when it was 6 forwards v 6 or 7 backs. I'd just love to see them try to get the ball in earlier to him and maybe him shoot on sight.
I still can't decide who I want to win this game as have interests in both squads but I suppose living in Dublin I would be happy enough to see the buzz around the city for a month if they get to the AI final. I think Dublin have learnt a lot from their past 4 or 5 years and now they've finally got 3 or 4 class forwards who can take on their man and get scores.
I am really looking forward to it but if I am to be honest I think if Dublin can match how they played v Tyrone then Donegal won't be able to stay with them. They've both got similar hard work ethics and good defensive systems but think Dublin have that bit more style, panache and know how as they've been kicking on this door for a few years now. Donegal are in new territory and whilst they struggled to beat an overrated Kildare team in my opinion I think they'll find the Dubs a step too far.
I don't mind if I'm wrong though. I'm just GLAD we're outta it.
Instead I'm reading Jack O'Connor's Keys to the Kingdom and how he enjoyed saving all the sheep from thon cliffs.
Quote from: heffo on August 27, 2011, 03:58:17 PM
Quote from: cadence on August 27, 2011, 03:22:16 PM
Quote from: heffo on August 27, 2011, 02:51:16 PM
Kevin Cassidy's memory of the drawn game in 2002 must be blurred from the session afterwards:
"If you look back at that game, we had the game won and we threw it away"
http://examiner.ie/sport/gaa/cassidy-laments-bad-old-days-165621.html
My recollection is that Donegal scrambled a draw with Adrian Sweeney scoring an equaliser with the last kick of the game.
liked the bit about the 4-5 years plan mcguinness is going to implement. it's great that he's so young, inspired and driven. the man's infectious. be very interesting to see where 5 years development under our belts would take us. we'd be killer i reckon.
It's great that he has this long term plan and obviously after the great year so far he'll hopefully get the space to continue that. Having said that, there is no reason they can't win the AI outright this year.
it's def his for the keeping for a while that's for sure. he's got that something special about him that all really good managers have. he's bright, humble, good with people, passionate, good personality, principled... he'd succeed at almost anything he turned his hand to. really good managers all have something, that mysterious brew that's never quite the same each time, but when you see it, you can only marvel and admire it. i like like the cut of his jib.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 27, 2011, 06:17:17 PM
Don't do the 5 year plan lads and Jim stop following Tyrone and Mickey Harte. Haha
Its a terrible place that we're in now where we can't go back or forward. A bit like me with these new crutches.
I haven't read the thread for a while so maybe this has already been mentioned but does anyone think that Michael Murphy has really to have a stormer game yet. Gooch showed glimpses last Sunday and I just feel Murphy has yet to show his true potential. Yes of course its much harder now for forwards to stand out the way they used to when it was 6 forwards v 6 or 7 backs. I'd just love to see them try to get the ball in earlier to him and maybe him shoot on sight.
I still can't decide who I want to win this game as have interests in both squads but I suppose living in Dublin I would be happy enough to see the buzz around the city for a month if they get to the AI final. I think Dublin have learnt a lot from their past 4 or 5 years and now they've finally got 3 or 4 class forwards who can take on their man and get scores.
I am really looking forward to it but if I am to be honest I think if Dublin can match how they played v Tyrone then Donegal won't be able to stay with them. They've both got similar hard work ethics and good defensive systems but think Dublin have that bit more style, panache and know how as they've been kicking on this door for a few years now. Donegal are in new territory and whilst they struggled to beat an overrated Kildare team in my opinion I think they'll find the Dubs a step too far.
I don't mind if I'm wrong though. I'm just GLAD we're outta it.
Instead I'm reading Jack O'Connor's Keys to the Kingdom and how he enjoyed saving all the sheep from thon cliffs.
it's difficult to see how tyrone could have bedded in new players any quicker. you know for sure now that's it's a time for developing a new side and i don't expect it to take that long. but it's nice to get some reprieve from yourselves and armagh. i'd say you were undone by not having players that could compete with dublin over those all important first 5-10 yards. dublin are more explosive than anyone i've seen yet in this year's championship. you get there first most of the time, chances are you're going to win. that's the thing i'm worried about most tomorrow. it's the feckin' speed of 'em.
agree with you that murphy hasn't been on fire yet. but he's had to sacrifice his own individual gains for the team. our ffl are very isolated and they have to scrap for almost every thing, there's few gimmes. i'm more worried about mcfadden than murphy. a target man like murphy will be a handful regardless. we need mcfadden, and mcbrearty, showing us the form they had in ulster.
Just read those articles in pages 2 and 3 of the Irish Times Sport
Very interesting stories and it shows how much this game means to both managers as well as the fans. Ye forget how long it has been since Donegal have won anything before this year bar a Div 2 league title a few years back.
Hunger always adds a few inches to that first to the ball rule
Quote from: heffo on August 27, 2011, 03:58:17 PM
Quote from: cadence on August 27, 2011, 03:22:16 PM
Quote from: heffo on August 27, 2011, 02:51:16 PM
Kevin Cassidy's memory of the drawn game in 2002 must be blurred from the session afterwards:
"If you look back at that game, we had the game won and we threw it away"
http://examiner.ie/sport/gaa/cassidy-laments-bad-old-days-165621.html
My recollection is that Donegal scrambled a draw with Adrian Sweeney scoring an equaliser with the last kick of the game.
liked the bit about the 4-5 years plan mcguinness is going to implement. it's great that he's so young, inspired and driven. the man's infectious. be very interesting to see where 5 years development under our belts would take us. we'd be killer i reckon.
It's great that he has this long term plan and obviously after the great year so far he'll hopefully get the space to continue that. Having said that, there is no reason they can't win the AI outright this year.
Talking about 5 year plans is a big mistake. Strike while the iron is hot. Most managers do their best work nowadays in their 1st year. O'Rourke in Fermanagh, Walsh in Sligo, Ryan in Wexford, McCartan last year.
After getting Down within an inch of winning Sam last year, Down fans may have expected them to kick on this year but often with a new manager players are maybe more open to new ideas, there is genuine competiton for places etc.
This is Donegals chance, there are a number of players on the team/panel around the 30 mark and it is doubtful that Donegal will be stronger next year.
really looking forward to the game today.
I think Donegal can win it, I hope they do, even if they were lucky against us ;)
Nothing against the Dubs, but I hope Donegal win it outright! As Hector would say, Keep er lit!
Quote from: Orangemac on August 28, 2011, 09:40:27 AM
Talking about 5 year plans is a big mistake. Strike while the iron is hot. Most managers do their best work nowadays in their 1st year.
You're probably right.
Oh God!
Quote from: Orangemac on August 28, 2011, 09:40:27 AM
Quote from: heffo on August 27, 2011, 03:58:17 PM
Quote from: cadence on August 27, 2011, 03:22:16 PM
Quote from: heffo on August 27, 2011, 02:51:16 PM
Kevin Cassidy's memory of the drawn game in 2002 must be blurred from the session afterwards:
"If you look back at that game, we had the game won and we threw it away"
http://examiner.ie/sport/gaa/cassidy-laments-bad-old-days-165621.html
My recollection is that Donegal scrambled a draw with Adrian Sweeney scoring an equaliser with the last kick of the game.
liked the bit about the 4-5 years plan mcguinness is going to implement. it's great that he's so young, inspired and driven. the man's infectious. be very interesting to see where 5 years development under our belts would take us. we'd be killer i reckon.
It's great that he has this long term plan and obviously after the great year so far he'll hopefully get the space to continue that. Having said that, there is no reason they can't win the AI outright this year.
Talking about 5 year plans is a big mistake. Strike while the iron is hot. Most managers do their best work nowadays in their 1st year. O'Rourke in Fermanagh, Walsh in Sligo, Ryan in Wexford, McCartan last year.
After getting Down within an inch of winning Sam last year, Down fans may have expected them to kick on this year but often with a new manager players are maybe more open to new ideas, there is genuine competiton for places etc.
This is Donegals chance, there are a number of players on the team/panel around the 30 mark and it is doubtful that Donegal will be stronger next year.
Quote from: Orangemac on August 28, 2011, 09:40:27 AM
Quote from: heffo on August 27, 2011, 03:58:17 PM
Quote from: cadence on August 27, 2011, 03:22:16 PM
Quote from: heffo on August 27, 2011, 02:51:16 PM
Kevin Cassidy's memory of the drawn game in 2002 must be blurred from the session afterwards:
"If you look back at that game, we had the game won and we threw it away"
http://examiner.ie/sport/gaa/cassidy-laments-bad-old-days-165621.html
My recollection is that Donegal scrambled a draw with Adrian Sweeney scoring an equaliser with the last kick of the game.
liked the bit about the 4-5 years plan mcguinness is going to implement. it's great that he's so young, inspired and driven. the man's infectious. be very interesting to see where 5 years development under our belts would take us. we'd be killer i reckon.
It's great that he has this long term plan and obviously after the great year so far he'll hopefully get the space to continue that. Having said that, there is no reason they can't win the AI outright this year.
Talking about 5 year plans is a big mistake. Strike while the iron is hot. Most managers do their best work nowadays in their 1st year. O'Rourke in Fermanagh, Walsh in Sligo, Ryan in Wexford, McCartan last year.
After getting Down within an inch of winning Sam last year, Down fans may have expected them to kick on this year but often with a new manager players are maybe more open to new ideas, there is genuine competiton for places etc.
This is Donegals chance, there are a number of players on the team/panel around the 30 mark and it is doubtful that Donegal will be stronger next year.
mos def no time like the present and we should be making the most of this opportunity. but even at around the 30 mark, i think it all depends on how well you look after yourself. whilst you don't get much quicker, if at all, your stamina should be improving with fartleks/interval sessions and gym work.
aside from having a more concise game plan and new found tactical pragmatism, it's been really important that the squad culture around fitness has been changed. that's no mean feat. he and his team have managed it and with that future squads will reap the rewards. i'd like to see that whole management set-up have the opportunity to make us even leaner and meaner. i hope any new player breaking into the squad in the future will have to reach certain standards and keep then to stay in it and that can only be good. i'd also like to see how our game and tactics develop under him as we progress.
Quote from: Hardy on August 28, 2011, 09:57:58 AM
Quote from: Orangemac on August 28, 2011, 09:40:27 AM
Talking about 5 year plans is a big mistake. Strike while the iron is hot. Most managers do their best work nowadays in their 1st year.
You're probably right.
Oh God!
What's left if we can't hope that next year will be better? ;)
I would have felt Donegal will only be stronger next year and will continue to get stonger for the next number of years, so much of this year was getting the burden of previous years unachievement off their back i.e. winning that first round (or preliminary as it was this year) match, reaching the Ulster final, winning the Ulster final.
As for a number of players being around the 30 mark - who are they? because the impression i have is that overall they have quite a young team.
Who are all the players on the wrong side of 30 - Hegarty, Toye, Eamon McGee and Durcan - Is Anthony Thompson ?
Am i wrong in thinking that Cassidy, Kavanagh, McFadden and McGlynn are about 28.
For me the key players have a lot of years left playing football - Lacey, Murphy, Neil mcGee, McHugh and I also think Ryan Bradley and mcBreaty will go on to establish themselves as key players next year.
The only sector that Donegal are not particularly strong at for me is at midfield. Whil Rory Kavanagh is a very talented player I think he is more of a half forward, while Ryan Bradley has the physical presence to play at midfield. It's obviously something they are not going to tamper with now but i'd be interested to see how a switch would work out during the next national league campaign.
Really forward to the game - it is a tough one to call but in my opinion Donegal are a huge price at 3/1. Donegal are a very mentally tough team, the Kildare game should really galvanise the team, it was played at a frantic intensity (2nd half onwards) and Donegal will not be put away easily today. I said in the build up to the Ulster final that there forward unit still haven't clicked and they've beaten teams by frustrating them and wearing them down rather than through the exploits of any of their forward players.
If donegal are to win today then their forward unit, has to 'click'. They've had a four week break since the Kildare game and that will have given a lot of the lads some much needed rest. I don't think Donegal have had more than a two week break between games going back to january and the McKenna cup. This break will give Michael Murphy in particular time to get over the wee niggles and play to his full potential. I watched the U-21 Final last year and himself and Rory O'Carroll had a fascinating tussle, O'Carroll arguably shaded it that day but i think the roles will be reversed today.
It's a great morning in Dublin for the game. I hope everyone travelling from Donegal and elsewhere has a very enjoyable day.
Good luck.
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Haven't read any of today's papers yet but I'm amazed there's not more made of the fact that MD Macauley's dad is from Donegal (Lettermacaward near Glenties) and up until this year would have been a big Donegal fan.
MD always told us that he looked forward to meeting Donegal in the championship but little did he think how both their paths would clash so soon and in such a big game.
I was chatting to Jim McGuinness after the Tyrone v Dublin game and he was telling us that he will be trying to get MD a job up in Donegal after this year. He knows where his home is. Haha
I for one used to think he wouldn't make it into the Dublin midfield as they'd too many options there, but he has become one of their main players this year and could be on for an all star depending on how he does today. No pressure MD. ;D
As someone mentioned after the Tyrone game, that he's even kick passing much better now as he used to be mainly a converted basketball player but he's really bulked up and now brings a lot of strength and running to the team. I think he looks awkward or something but he can take a score when needs be. He tends to get the odd yellow card so he'd need to watch his discipline today as he could get targeted for some big hits.
I hope he does well today and makes his dad and family proud before he gets his transfer North.
Bandwagon firmly attached. Getting the supplies earlier and Mr. Stacker was asking Mr. Customer "Will we win it today?" to which he got "Hopefully we'll win the whole thing this year". Mr. Stacker then came back with the gem "But sure we've never won it before, have we?" Walked away shaking my head while your man explained they were 2nd to Kerry in the rankings of titles won.
Heading over shortly, looking forward to both games, hope it stays dry. Want to see Dublin sneak a tight game as it'll liven up the capital for the next month. They play better football too.
Just parked up here in Dublin. Unreal traffic coming up the road from Donegal. Never seen the likes of it before.
Come on Donegal
reverse of 92 where donegal were lying low dublin modelling suits etc the usual suspects cassidy mc gees in every paper instead of continuing the low profile have a bad feeling that focus of team has switched to be happy to have reached semi final hope im wrong
mcguinnes on highland radio...
http://www.highlandradio.com/2011/08/26/dublin-donegal-jum-mcguinness-views/
off now to get a good seat in the boozer. C'MON DONEGAL!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can anyone suggest best place to get late tickets?
Jurys if ye get past the barrier?
Dubs will win with a bit to spare more football in them.
A lot of changes on this Donegal side up to 4 i think?
Donegal at 11/1 for the AI
Will wear both the Dubs and Kerry down
nearly 5 minutes without a score...... sign of things to come?
Flood gates are sure to open after that score :P
Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 28, 2011, 02:49:17 PM
Dubs will win with a bit to spare more football in them.
And you're very niave to think Donegal will let them play the 'more football' you talk about
This game will end up with both teams under 10 points!!!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 28, 2011, 03:42:27 PM
This game will end up with both teams under 10 points!!!
Ten? I'd say 5. This is fuckin dire.
Dublin playing to Donegal's Terms at the moment.
Frees are coming soft!......for both sides!
Man City Spurs could be the highest scoring match of the day - including this one
Murphys free taking is poor so far.
Donegal kicking this away.
Quote from: hardstation on August 28, 2011, 03:49:50 PM
I must be the only one enjoying this. Bloody brilliant.
Ditto, good game!
I've seen more entertaining pre match warm-ups.
Loudest cheers so far are coming from the hill for Donegal putting frees wide.
Better scrums in this match than the Ireland game yesterday. Nice score finally.
Donegal beating themselves
Defending great as per usual, making an attack that looked fantastic against Tyrone, look total cack today, but they're giving the ball away far too easily
Btw, that free for Dublin from which they scored was a gift. Would NOT have been given at the other end.
Quote from: hardstation on August 28, 2011, 03:49:50 PM
I must be the only one enjoying this. Bloody brilliant.
Pat Spillane HT chat will be bloody brilliant.
It's good in a strange way but Donegal aren't good for football and the game can't be left develop into this type of game.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 28, 2011, 03:52:46 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 28, 2011, 03:49:50 PM
I must be the only one enjoying this. Bloody brilliant.
Ditto, good game!
what gamme are you watching? horray 2 all after 25 mins
Kerry are happy legs up today .
0-08 wins this game for sure
ref giving dubs every little 50/50 decision
not surprising but still very annoying
Quote from: WeePeteIsALegend on August 28, 2011, 04:01:34 PM
ref giving dubs every little 50/50 decision
not surprising but still very annoying
Definitely. He's keeping them in it.
Donegal much the better team correct score should be 0-1 to 0-7
Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 28, 2011, 03:58:12 PM
Kerry are happy legs up today .
Why? They're equally as fcuked as the Dubs when Donegal get a hold of them.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 28, 2011, 03:58:12 PM
Kerry are happy legs up today .
donegal will bring them down to their level if/when they get a hold of them
About time they clamped down on that blocking shite.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 28, 2011, 03:58:12 PM
Kerry are happy legs up today .
AIF being played today, superior tactics/fitness.
Quote from: Zulu on August 28, 2011, 03:57:39 PM
It's good in a strange way but Donegal aren't good for football and the game can't be left develop into this type of game.
True, I'll give up on it altogether if this continues.
Dublin playing without imagination and their shooting is dire!
I can't watch this shit any longer.
How can anyone of yee want Donegal to win watching this shite, negative rubbish, i hope Dublin wake up and beat them. Donegal are bad for football and any sort of entertainment value in the game.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 28, 2011, 04:04:47 PM
About time they clamped down on that blocking shite.
They would need to clamp down on an awful lot of stuff. This is terrible from a neutral point of view. McFadden had a nice outside of the boot point. Other than that, niggly dross.
When is the last time Dublin went 35mins without a score from play?
Yep, Donegal are disgusting for football. Had this conversation when they played Kildare. Came up with rule changes to stop this cynical and negative crap.
But don't kid yourselves. Dublin are hardly full of free flowing football either. They are quite a defensive and negative side. They've just run into an even more cunical and well organised team today.
Ive been banging on about the 11/1 available on Donegal for the AI since they beat Kildare. Couldnt believe the price. Regardless if they win or don't win the whole thing, 11/1 was tto big. Should have been 6/1.
"Ulster side plays negatively and doesn't give a shite about football" shocker :o.....jesus lads, its not like it should be news to ye
Anyone posting that they are enjoying this is surely just taking the piss
Fcuk me. This is dreadful.
Moronic to put this completely down to Ulster sides. Moronic.
Spillane: Look at that tribe in Iraq, the Shi-ite, we've watched Shi-ite football today.
Well sorry to disagree, but I find it absorbing, The only thing i don't like is the rugby league style handpassing. But the defending is brilliant. To me good defending is as interesting as good attacking. What are people saying? Teams shouldn't defend? Or do they want to prescribe how they should defend?
It's as simple as this - Donegal have put it up to Dublin to score from distance, and they haven't had the skill to do so. Yet, anyway.
As for the arseholes moaning in the studio, they are really getting on my wick. I'm not interested in what fuckin Spillane thinks is good gaelic football. These clowns are supposed to be analysing, not whinging.
Quote from: haze on August 28, 2011, 04:14:21 PM
Anyone posting that they are enjoying this is surely just taking the piss
if they are not taking the piss, they must be father stone type characters
Posted this at half time during Donegal/Kildare quarter final.
Spillane - "Don't know whether to laugh or cry"
This is all we need to do to make our sport better:
1 Reduce the number of players from 15 to 13.
2 Allow the hand pass to take any shape apart from a definite throw - open or closed hand, overhand striking action etc
3 Allow all free's to be taken by hand-pass if the team receiving the free wishes
4 Introduce immediate yellow cards for any pull of the jersey and immediate red cards for 'last man' tackle, or denying a clear goal scoring opportunity
This will get rid of an awful lot of the cynicism and disgusting displays of anti football we've seen in the past 15 years - I'm embarrassed watching this and comparing it to Aussie Rules and to a certain extent hurling
Quote from: WeePeteIsALegend on August 28, 2011, 04:21:44 PM
Posted this at half time during Donegal/Kildare quarter final.
Spillane - "Don't know whether to laugh or cry"
This is all we need to do to make our sport better:
1 Reduce the number of players from 15 to 13.
2 Allow the hand pass to take any shape apart from a definite throw - open or closed hand, overhand striking action etc
3 Allow all free's to be taken by hand-pass if the team receiving the free wishes
4 Introduce immediate yellow cards for any pull of the jersey and immediate red cards for 'last man' tackle, or denying a clear goal scoring opportunity
This will get rid of an awful lot of the cynicism and disgusting displays of anti football we've seen in the past 15 years - I'm embarrassed watching this and comparing it to Aussie Rules and to a certain extent hurling
hurling men will have tears running down their cheeks at this. Compare this to what this time next week's entertainment will be like
lol at father stone - classic
Yea, didnt have money on the kildare/donegal game so was cracking up, but as I stand to win a good few quid from Donegal today Ive been less scathing
However if I had no money riding on this, Id be cracking up. This is 10x worse than Tyrone/Armagh 5-10 years ago. Much much worse. This is horrific. It will turn people away from the game. As I said above, if you compare this to an AVERAGE Aussie rules game, and even a good hurling game, its an embarrassment to Gaels everywhere. There is no comparison.
In a way I think Id put up with it for a year or two if it would then lead to the GAA implementing rules like above. But then I wise up and realise that the mugs that run the game wouldnt change the rules.
0-4 0-2
We need to play 100 minute halves or even quarters to run the fcuk out of these 13 man defenses.
Quote from: WeePeteIsALegend on August 28, 2011, 04:26:59 PM
lol at father stone - classic
Yea, didnt have money on the kildare/donegal game so was cracking up, but as I stand to win a good few quid from Donegal today Ive been less scathing
However if I had no money riding on this, Id be cracking up. This is 10x worse than Tyrone/Armagh 5-10 years ago. Much much worse. This is horrific. It will turn people away from the game. As I said above, if you compare this to an AVERAGE Aussie rules game, and even a good hurling game, its an embarrassment to Gaels everywhere. There is no comparison.
In a way I think Id put up with it for a year or two if it would then lead to the GAA implementing rules like above. But then I wise up and realise that the mugs that run the game wouldnt change the rules.
Shut up ffs.
hoof hearted, I think you've misunderstood me
I love watching hurling mostly is the point Im making. Comparing a hurling game to a gaelic game of this nature is embarrassing as someone who loves gaelic football first and foremost.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 28, 2011, 04:28:33 PM
Quote from: WeePeteIsALegend on August 28, 2011, 04:26:59 PM
lol at father stone - classic
Yea, didnt have money on the kildare/donegal game so was cracking up, but as I stand to win a good few quid from Donegal today Ive been less scathing
However if I had no money riding on this, Id be cracking up. This is 10x worse than Tyrone/Armagh 5-10 years ago. Much much worse. This is horrific. It will turn people away from the game. As I said above, if you compare this to an AVERAGE Aussie rules game, and even a good hurling game, its an embarrassment to Gaels everywhere. There is no comparison.
In a way I think Id put up with it for a year or two if it would then lead to the GAA implementing rules like above. But then I wise up and realise that the mugs that run the game wouldnt change the rules.
Shut up ffs.
Go fcuk yourself - this is a forum where people express their opinions and debate points on games, it was not designed for moronic pricks to tell others to shut up without pointing out why they think they are wrong. Grow up.
Quote from: WeePeteIsALegend on August 28, 2011, 04:30:40 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 28, 2011, 04:28:33 PM
Quote from: WeePeteIsALegend on August 28, 2011, 04:26:59 PM
lol at father stone - classic
Yea, didnt have money on the kildare/donegal game so was cracking up, but as I stand to win a good few quid from Donegal today Ive been less scathing
However if I had no money riding on this, Id be cracking up. This is 10x worse than Tyrone/Armagh 5-10 years ago. Much much worse. This is horrific. It will turn people away from the game. As I said above, if you compare this to an AVERAGE Aussie rules game, and even a good hurling game, its an embarrassment to Gaels everywhere. There is no comparison.
In a way I think Id put up with it for a year or two if it would then lead to the GAA implementing rules like above. But then I wise up and realise that the mugs that run the game wouldnt change the rules.
Shut up ffs.
Go fcuk yourself - this is a forum where people express their opinions and debate points on games, it was not designed for moronic pricks to tell others to shut up without pointing out why they think they are wrong. Grow up.
I wouldn't know where to begin to start telling you why you're wrong. I was going to tell you to stop talking shit but I didn't want to be rude.
Go away and watch some basketball.
ref again giving everything to dublin
mcfadden and brogan do the exact same thing, hold onto the ball under pressure, mcfadden is deemed to hold on too long, brogan is deemed to have been fouled
3 dub points, all scored by the man wearing black
One thing you must remember here. Donegal aren't in the entertainment business, they are in the business of trying to win a football game. They don't care if they win in 0-1 to 0-0, just so long as they win it.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 28, 2011, 04:33:37 PM
Quote from: WeePeteIsALegend on August 28, 2011, 04:30:40 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 28, 2011, 04:28:33 PM
Quote from: WeePeteIsALegend on August 28, 2011, 04:26:59 PM
lol at father stone - classic
Yea, didnt have money on the kildare/donegal game so was cracking up, but as I stand to win a good few quid from Donegal today Ive been less scathing
However if I had no money riding on this, Id be cracking up. This is 10x worse than Tyrone/Armagh 5-10 years ago. Much much worse. This is horrific. It will turn people away from the game. As I said above, if you compare this to an AVERAGE Aussie rules game, and even a good hurling game, its an embarrassment to Gaels everywhere. There is no comparison.
In a way I think Id put up with it for a year or two if it would then lead to the GAA implementing rules like above. But then I wise up and realise that the mugs that run the game wouldnt change the rules.
Shut up ffs.
Go fcuk yourself - this is a forum where people express their opinions and debate points on games, it was not designed for moronic pricks to tell others to shut up without pointing out why they think they are wrong. Grow up.
I wouldn't know where to begin to start telling you why you're wrong. I was going to tell you to stop talking shit but I didn't want to be rude.
Go away and watch some basketball.
Another pathetic and childish response. Maybe I shouldnt be surprised by someone who clearly has no life considering the amount of time they spend on an anonymous internet forum. Over 13,000 posts? pmsl Get a f**king life you cretin.
Donegal foul before during and after the tackle. I am no longer neutral.
Free kick at midfield taken backwards! Jebus I hate this.
I'm off for some food.
Can't figure out if the crowd are cheering or booing. Seems a mixture of both.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 28, 2011, 04:33:37 PM
Quote from: WeePeteIsALegend on August 28, 2011, 04:30:40 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 28, 2011, 04:28:33 PM
Quote from: WeePeteIsALegend on August 28, 2011, 04:26:59 PM
lol at father stone - classic
Yea, didnt have money on the kildare/donegal game so was cracking up, but as I stand to win a good few quid from Donegal today Ive been less scathing
However if I had no money riding on this, Id be cracking up. This is 10x worse than Tyrone/Armagh 5-10 years ago. Much much worse. This is horrific. It will turn people away from the game. As I said above, if you compare this to an AVERAGE Aussie rules game, and even a good hurling game, its an embarrassment to Gaels everywhere. There is no comparison.
In a way I think Id put up with it for a year or two if it would then lead to the GAA implementing rules like above. But then I wise up and realise that the mugs that run the game wouldnt change the rules.
Shut up ffs.
Go fcuk yourself - this is a forum where people express their opinions and debate points on games, it was not designed for moronic pricks to tell others to shut up without pointing out why they think they are wrong. Grow up.
I wouldn't know where to begin to start telling you why you're wrong. I was going to tell you to stop talking shit but I didn't want to be rude.
Go away and watch some basketball.
f**k off you ignorant p***k.
how long will it be before dublin score from play?
this is ridiculous
they make tyrone 2003 look like vintage kerry
This is going to get very niggly before the end.
man u have now scored the same as dublin
Come on Dublin... For the sake of football.
Top scorer might be a goalkeeper ::)
If Donegal do hang on then Kerry may have the long range scorers to beat them. Bryan Sheehan may have to be man of the match mind you.
Quote from: EC Unique on August 28, 2011, 04:47:58 PM
Come on Dublin... For the sake of football.
You look to a team that can't score from play in 55 minutes as the epitome of what's good for football?
Donegal are horrible. There should be no reward in the game for this shite.
Dublin have gotten some very soft frees from Deegan today.
That's a disgraceful dive to buy the red card.
Quote from: Hardy on August 28, 2011, 04:49:44 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on August 28, 2011, 04:47:58 PM
Come on Dublin... For the sake of football.
You look to a team that can't score from play in 55 minutes as the epitome of what's good for football?
Will you cheer next year when someone genius invents the 14 man defense to play against Donegal and we have our first 0-0 0-0. Sorry absorbing 0-0 0-0.
Connolly off. Some Rivaldoesque playacting from the Donegal player.
Diving **** >:(
Stupid from Connolly but the Donegal player didn't cover himself in glory collapsing holding his face.
Disgrace. Donegal fella pushes him first, then goes down like a ton of bricks when he gets hit in the shoulder.
Connolly should know by now you cant raise your hands.
Not as if he was doing anything in the game.
Cmon the Dubs...
Should have been yellow card and why did Rory kavanagh not get the same for his action
Quote from: Hardy on August 28, 2011, 04:52:10 PM
That's a disgraceful dive to buy the red card.
Absolutely. Negativity doesn't just mean setting up defensively it seems. Come on Dublin or Kerry.
31 counties cheering Dublin now, donegal are a disgrace. My eyes hurt
finally Dublin have scored from play!
Quote from: muppet on August 28, 2011, 04:52:18 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 28, 2011, 04:49:44 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on August 28, 2011, 04:47:58 PM
Come on Dublin... For the sake of football.
You look to a team that can't score from play in 55 minutes as the epitome of what's good for football?
Will you cheers next year when someone genius invents the 14 man defense to play against Donegal and we have our first 0-0 0-0. Sorry absorbing 0-0 0-0.
What's cheering got to do with it? I'm more interested in observing and learning than cheering, especially when I'm neutral.
Come on to feck Dubs... Donegal are beginning to tire!
Go on the Dubs!
The curse of the extra man.
Down to 14 men and Dublin immediately score 0-2 from play. Go figure.
Now we have some craic!
A disgraceful dive yes but why does Connolly have to raise his hands. Stupidity on both sides. The Dubs would have taken Donegal if Connolly had stayed on.
c'mon the dubs.
Quote from: The Worker on August 28, 2011, 04:53:45 PM
Connolly should know by now you cant raise your hands.
Not as if he was doing anything in the game.
Are you watching sky sports by any chance?
Quote from: johnneycool on August 28, 2011, 04:57:26 PM
Quote from: The Worker on August 28, 2011, 04:53:45 PM
Connolly should know by now you cant raise your hands.
Not as if he was doing anything in the game.
Are you watching sky sports by any chance?
nope...rte...you should put it on if you want to watch the game.
Quote from: Hardy on August 28, 2011, 04:55:51 PM
The curse of the extra man.
Maybe the 14 man defense doesn't work then.
Will McBrearty be the saviour?
Donegal look a bit clueless now that they have to go out and actually attack again.
The ref has now decided Dublin must win.
That dirty cheating Donegal player should banned as well as that mentor for running on the pitch and claiming an elbow was thrown when no such thing happened.
Quote from: Hardy on August 28, 2011, 05:00:11 PM
The ref has now decided Dublin must win.
You think he really believes in the 14 man thing?
Quote from: WeePeteIsALegend on August 28, 2011, 04:37:04 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 28, 2011, 04:33:37 PM
Quote from: WeePeteIsALegend on August 28, 2011, 04:30:40 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 28, 2011, 04:28:33 PM
Quote from: WeePeteIsALegend on August 28, 2011, 04:26:59 PM
lol at father stone - classic
Yea, didnt have money on the kildare/donegal game so was cracking up, but as I stand to win a good few quid from Donegal today Ive been less scathing
However if I had no money riding on this, Id be cracking up. This is 10x worse than Tyrone/Armagh 5-10 years ago. Much much worse. This is horrific. It will turn people away from the game. As I said above, if you compare this to an AVERAGE Aussie rules game, and even a good hurling game, its an embarrassment to Gaels everywhere. There is no comparison.
In a way I think Id put up with it for a year or two if it would then lead to the GAA implementing rules like above. But then I wise up and realise that the mugs that run the game wouldnt change the rules.
Shut up ffs.
Go fcuk yourself - this is a forum where people express their opinions and debate points on games, it was not designed for moronic pricks to tell others to shut up without pointing out why they think they are wrong. Grow up.
I wouldn't know where to begin to start telling you why you're wrong. I was going to tell you to stop talking shit but I didn't want to be rude.
Go away and watch some basketball.
Another pathetic and childish response. Maybe I shouldnt be surprised by someone who clearly has no life considering the amount of time they spend on an anonymous internet forum. Over 13,000 posts? pmsl Get a f**king life you cretin.
:D The irony.
It's hard to believe the score line.
Some difference from the 1/4 final game for the Dubs
Quote from: The Worker on August 28, 2011, 04:58:38 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on August 28, 2011, 04:57:26 PM
Quote from: The Worker on August 28, 2011, 04:53:45 PM
Connolly should know by now you cant raise your hands.
Not as if he was doing anything in the game.
Are you watching sky sports by any chance?
nope...rte...you should put it on if you want to watch the game.
I am, its just that i've never heard of raising your hands being a red card offence in GAA.
Hitting someone a box or attempting to hit someone a box, certainly.
Looking like Dublin have it won? Donegal will be kicking themselves if they lose this.
Quote from: hardstation on August 28, 2011, 05:02:37 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 28, 2011, 05:00:25 PM
That dirty cheating Donegal player should banned as well as that mentor for running on the pitch and claiming an elbow was thrown when no such thing happened.
Dublin centre half back just went down holding his face when he wasn't hit on it. Banned too?
He was hit more than the Donegal diver was.
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 28, 2011, 05:03:08 PM
Looking like Dublin have it won? Donegal will be kicking themselves if they lose this.
Apparently Donegal aren't in the entertainment business, but I would pay to watch that.
Kerry will completely wipe the floor with the gym monkeys!!
Sending off has done no favours to Donegal at all. They seem completely befuddled ever since and can't change their defensive mindset to get back into it.
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 28, 2011, 05:03:08 PM
Looking like Dublin have it won? Donegal will be kicking themselves if they lose this.
They deserve a good kicking for the way they play football.
A victory for football. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Will support the dubs in the Final. :)
14 men breaks blanket defence.
Quote from: EC Unique on August 28, 2011, 05:07:10 PM
A victory for football. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Will support the dubs in the Final. :)
Thanks Jebus for that, otherwise I'd have had to cheer for Kerry in the Final.
C'mon the Dubs!
my 4 year old daughter had just asked me turn the rugby over :D :D no kidding
Donegal were out on their feet with15 minutes to go. They deserved nothing for that.
Kerry v Dublin final.
A new golden era beckons ;)
Dublin in the final with only two scores from play! Dublin sytle of play isn't much different than Donegal's TBH.
Quote from: hardstation on August 28, 2011, 05:09:16 PM
Dubs can thank the ref.
Yeah your right. He helped. But thank god Donegal are gone.
Well done Dublin, were gonna see a great All Ireland final now, thanks for saving football. :) :) :) :)
Quote from: hardstation on August 28, 2011, 05:09:16 PM
Dubs can thank the ref.
You will like this: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0828/breaking45.html (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0828/breaking45.html)
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 28, 2011, 05:10:49 PM
Dublin in the final with only two scores from play! Dublin sytle of play isn't much different than Donegal's TBH.
Spot on. It wasn't today anyway. But you're not allowed to say that.
Great tactics from Gilroy, keep men back til the last 10 mins then drive forward...Donegal were in a false lull and had shot the load by then with no game plan to finish the game off
Fantastic result for football! :)
One thing I noticed is that with a few minutes to go with Dublin two points up Dublin were still taking more risks and being more positive than Donegal. It was crazy.
'Fascinating, like car crash?'
Good man Michael. ;D
kerry will not fancy playing the dubs in the final anyway.
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 28, 2011, 05:10:49 PM
Dublin in the final with only two scores from play! Dublin sytle of play isn't much different than Donegal's TBH.
So Dublin brought all bar 1 player into their own half from opposition kickouts and when were down they only had 1 player in the opposition half when attacking???
Well done Dublin - it's going to be some final now with Dublin and Kerry.
Hard luck to Donegal who have enjoyed a massive season.
I wish Brolly would push his glasses up.
Quote from: The Worker on August 28, 2011, 05:14:57 PM
kerry will not fancy playing the dubs in the final anyway.
Maybe, but to quote Pat, at least it won't descend into gooch trying to get past Double decker buses parked on the goaline.
Thank God thats over.
Jasus Christ lads but that was some sh1te.
Donegal were painful and th'other shower werent much better but at least they understand somewhere in their minds that you have to attack to win games.
Mind you true to form Deegan( must ensure the big team wins) gave Dublin so many handy frees they couldnt but win.
I'd advise everyone to avoid RTE,TV3,Indorags,Times,Star and any other Dublin based media outlet foer at least 3 weeks as they'll be creaming themselves with bullsh1t about old firms and traditional finals etc etc.
Were there 8 Dublin v Kerry finalsout of the 120 or so played?
Don't know about you guys but i found that game intriguing, the main difference was the free taking & any team that doesn't score for the final 30mins doesn't deserve to win a game. I'd say Kerry are happy they have Dublin in the final instead of Donegal.
Fair play to Dublin first All Ireland final for 16 years progress made.
thank god dublin have put an end to that nonsense.
Some contrast from last years semi final game!
Quote from: ross4life on August 28, 2011, 05:18:45 PM
Don't know about you guys but i found that game intriguing, the main difference was the free taking & any team that doesn't score for the final 30mins doesn't deserve to win a game. I'd say Kerry are happy they have Dublin in the final instead of Donegal.
Fair play to Dublin first All Ireland final for 16 years progress made.
Based on what I saw today I would have been worried about Donegals ultra-defensive approach but I would have absolutely no fear of their attack. They were absolutely clueless when they actually had to go after the game.
After that I think this thread should be moved to the non-GAA section.
Donegal have had a good year and can build on this. Dublin have served their time and needed to move on a step.
Quote from: armaghniac on August 28, 2011, 05:25:01 PM
Donegal have had a good year and can build on this. Dublin have served their time and needed to move on a step.
Yes - I suppose we can now look forward to them losing four finals in a row..
THANK GOD!!!!!!!!!!! Dublin have saved football and I've never been happier at a result.
Quote from: LeoMc on August 28, 2011, 05:24:14 PM
After that I think this thread should be moved to the non-GAA section.
:D
Don't think I've ever cheered on Dublin so much. Something needs to be done about the handpass.
Great piece of drama! Which would you rather, what we saw or a re-run of the Mayo/Kerry finals 2004/06 where you have free flowing football, with the game over at half time. The name of the game for Donegal this year was staying in the game as long as possible, wearing down and frustrating the oppositon. It was about building up confidence, winning titles, getting Croke park experience. This was achieved. Rome was not built in a day, if out go out gung ho against experienced teams you go out!
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 28, 2011, 05:46:26 PM
Great piece of drama! Which would you rather, what we saw or a re-run of the Mayo/Kerry finals 2004/06 where you have free flowing football, with the game over at half time. The name of the game for Donegal this year was staying in the game as long as possible, wearing down and frustrating the oppositon. It was about building up confidence, winning titles, getting Croke park experience. This was achieved. Rome was not built in a day, if out go out gung ho against experienced teams you go out!
great if your playing. We have all the played the game, and winning is all that matters, but for neutrals watching the game today that was painful
gutted.
Very poor match but that was to be expected. Dublin's tactics were moronic for much of it and played into Donegal's hands but credit to them at least for raising their game in the closing stages. Perhaps playing so poorly today will help them to an extent and allow them to go into the final with less hype than had they hammered Donegal today. If Donegal are to continue to challenge at this level they would need to look at the tactics again and commit more in the forwards, but in doing so they wouldn't be so tight defensively. I don't agree with the theory that they are a coming team who will be back at this stage on a regular basis.
I have never seen a game like it. Rugby League. 2 lines of teams on the halfway line.
Donegal threw if away they should have won it.
Ref was awful--Dublin had to win. He gave the Dubs so many handy frees --a few of which were straight after stupid Donegal backs had dropped clean, unopposed catches.
McFadden couldve went in closer and slid the ball to the net early 2nd half. At the end he dropped a simple ball hopping into his chest that looked like it would've been a score to put one in it.
Murphy isnt as good as he's made out.
I said at the end--"Dublin's winnin, i bet there's only 2 minutes injury time to ensure Dublin win" This after the game stopped for the sending off, countless player going down, Cluxton taking a minute each time to get up and hit 3 frees in the 2nd half--countless subs. There should have been AT LEAST FIVE MINUTES INJURY TIME --thats a farce
Barry Cahill should've been sent off--when the Dubs are under pressure they shit themselves and lose their heads. Maurice Deegan stepped up for them and pulled them out of a hole
Donegal are awful to watch but intriging at the same time. Surprised Brick didnt come on. McFadden was their main and only forward but did nothing in last half hour.
Think Kerry will wipe Dublin off the park.
Still and all--
Quote from: muppet on August 28, 2011, 04:15:47 PM
Spillane: Look at that tribe in Iraq, the Shi-ite, we've watched Shi-ite football today.
Laughed my bollocks off--line of the year!
Hard luck Donegal fans. Ye did well this year and I'm not being patronising.
Just be prepared for a slating on here though cos the general feeling is that even though ye made good progress, a lot of people say ye have brought the game into disrepute.
Personally I think McGuinness has brought ye on leaps and bounds this year but I think he went OTT with the defensive stuff and I even heard the word poison mentioned. Strong words but as someone said usually words from neutrals that haven't had a long time in the wilderness.
Personally I enjoyed winning Sam in 2003 but the purist in me felt a wee bit sad that we had to abandon part of our attractive free flowing football in order to beat teams like Armagh and Kerry.
Quote from: Gold on August 28, 2011, 06:25:42 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 28, 2011, 04:15:47 PM
Spillane: Look at that tribe in Iraq, the Shi-ite, we've watched Shi-ite football today.
Laughed my bollocks off--line of the year!
Absolute clinker
Connacht Championship, all is forgiven.
BOth teams should hang their heads for diving and acting. Sending off was ridiculous.
Donegal's system of playing took them all the way to the semi-final and teams will have taken notice. I think we will see more of it. Fair play to DUblin I thought they had lost it after half time they seemed to have lost the head especially MD McCauly. Thought he'd be called ashore.
Whatever about DOnegals style it was a tough game, a few nice big hits and some which shouldn't have been penalised. I enjoyed the game somewhat though I was surprised when I got into the pub that the score was 4-2.
Dublin seemed to be set up to play into DOnegals hands, that long ball into an isolated Brogan wasn't going to yield much.
Should be an interesting final.
Quote from: Gold on August 28, 2011, 06:23:45 PM
I have never seen a game like it. Rugby League. 2 lines of teams on the halfway line.
Donegal threw if away they should have won it.
Ref was awful--Dublin had to win. He gave the Dubs so many handy frees --a few of which were straight after stupid Donegal backs had dropped clean, unopposed catches.
McFadden couldve went in closer and slid the ball to the net early 2nd half. At the end he dropped a simple ball hopping into his chest that looked like it would've been a score to put one in it.
Murphy isnt as good as he's made out.
I said at the end--"Dublin's winnin, i bet there's only 2 minutes injury time to ensure Dublin win" This after the game stopped for the sending off, countless player going down, Cluxton taking a minute each time to get up and hit 3 frees in the 2nd half--countless subs. There should have been AT LEAST FIVE MINUTES INJURY TIME --thats a farce
Barry Cahill should've been sent off--when the Dubs are under pressure they shit themselves and lose their heads. Maurice Deegan stepped up for them and pulled them out of a hole
Donegal are awful to watch but intriging at the same time. Surprised Brick didnt come on. McFadden was their main and only forward but did nothing in last half hour.
Think Kerry will wipe Dublin off the park.
Still and all--
Gold, I agree with everything you said.
I think it's the worst GAA game i've ever seen.
Maurice Deegan was a disgrace of a ref. He won the game for the Dubs.
I know Donegal were super defensive but getting only two points from play says it all really.
Dublin can't score from distance whereas Kerry can.
Kerry team and mangement will be happy out now. It's there AI to loose.
Feel sorry for anyone abroad who paid $20 or more to get into a pub to watch that today at maybe 7am or whenever.
Still, when yer away from home its exciting to be thinking, if only I was back home at the game.
I'd love to hear how the real honest Donegal fans think of their team and their system. Do they back them to the hilt and prefer that to the last 19 years in the wilderness.
I think maybe next year they'll balance it out a bit more but the sad thing for me is that I think this is the way football is moving
During that game today it reminded me at times of Ireland playing the Aussies in international rules in that players didn't want to get the ball in their hands in case they'd be chewed up by a three man tackle. Sad indeed.
Brutal game of football. Thank god Dublin won if Donegal had of won that and reached the final playing that type of game then it would of been a dark day for Gaelic football. Every mediocre club team in the country would of started trying to play that type of game. :( . Today was a victory for football lovers everywhere.
I disagree with those who think Kerry will win the final easily. I thought Dublin would break Donegal down more but Donegal were even more defensive than they had been in previous games. Every team would have found Donegal dificult to break down such was their set up.
If football is going to go down the Donegal route then rule changes will need to be made, today's game was nail bitting and fascinating but we can't leave the game turn into this type of sport in the longterm.
It was Tyrone in 03 that started this blanket defence stuff remember the semi final will they held Kerry to 6 scores & from what i seen today Dublin also displayed plenty of blanket defence cute fouling, as they say it takes two to tango so why are Donegal getting all the criticism for a poor game?
People can say what they want about the referee but from the start Donegal did everything to disrupt the game from holding the ball from the freetaker, not getting back for frees to be taken, diving, mouthing feigning injury etc. In similar circumstances if I had a been referee they would have got very little. I know people will say all successful teams do it but Donegal took it to another level. Their type of football was dire and Dublin's style was not much better today - they are better than that. People will say that Armagh and Tyrone developed this style but I know at their best Armagh wanted to score 14 or 15 times during a game to win it. Donegal just seem to want to defend. This will need to change if they are to win an All Ireland.
As an Ulster man I started the game supporting Donegal. Half way through I didn't care who won and thought about watching the soccer. However, after the antics that got Connolly sent off I wanted Dublin to win. Sadly this Donegal team is a long way short of the team I supported from the Cusack stand in the All Ireland Final of 1992.
Truly awful game of football. Feigning injuries, cynical fouling, managers and selectors encroaching onto the pitch trying to get men put off, starting rows then lying down to get a man put off, lying on the ball to break game up - we got it all.
Donegal were so conditioned to hand passing, any time they tried to kick the ball they made a balls of it. As I mentioned on Friday, would Jim evolve the system before being forced to? Now they are forced to. Had they shown just a tiny bit of attacking courage in the second half they'd be in an All-Ireland final.
Fair play to the dubs and they will take massive mental strength from that. Kerry will have noted how limited the Dubs were when the defensive screen went up, and how easily they panicked. I'd expect them to go similar although not as extreme in the final. It's there for the Dubs now and I actually fancy them to win it.
Pains me to say it as an Ulster man but I am glad the dubs won that. Just brutal awful football and if that catches on, god help us all. It's rugby with a round ball. When Man Utd score more than Donegal in an all-ireland semi, there's something badly wrong.
Anyone who in any way bases their analysis of the final, and Dublin's chances in the final, on that game needs their head examined. Dublin are going to be wondering are they even playing the same sport in the final, such was the Donegal set up.
Dublin did what Kildare did in the 1/4, they simply played their own defenders deep when Donegal retreated, so Donegal's counters were as doomed as Dublin's attacks for the most part. As someone said, it looke like rugby league at times with lines of lads facing each other half way out and trying to break through the line.
Dublin's long ball tactic may have had some chance if they had a target man, but that was just kicking the ball away without someone who could win those balls. It would have been interesting to see if Kerry could have handled Donegal better than they did Tyrone when Gormley played as a sweeper in front of the full back on Donaghy and Walsh.
The final should be a lot more open, but I'll just repeat, don't make Kerry favourites on the basis of that.
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 28, 2011, 07:10:02 PM
It was Tyrone in 03 that started this blanket defence stuff remember the semi final will they held Kerry to 6 scores & from what i seen today Dublin also displayed plenty of blanket defence cute fouling, as they say it takes two to tango so why are Donegal getting all the criticism for a poor game?
Simple. They have been doing it all year while Dublin did try to attack a bit.
The blanket defence may have been coined in 2003 but that Tyrone team developed into quite a football team. :( I doubt this Donegal team will.
As always i was supporting the team from my own province, but before the end i was desperate for a Dublin win. Jim Mc Guiness and Donegal have nothing to offer Gaelic football, apart from negativity and cynicism. Connellys red card should be overturned on appeal
Well done Dublin. Many have tried to beat that horrible system and failed but fair play to the dubs, they managed it.
First time in my life I was up for the non ulster team. I could not bring myself to cheer for a team that plays like that. Thank God they won't be able to destroy the AI final too.
Quote from: Pangurban on August 28, 2011, 07:19:35 PM
As always i was supporting the team from my own province, but before the end i was desperate for a Dublin win. Jim Mc Guiness and Donegal have nothing to offer Gaelic football, apart from negativity and cynicism. Connellys red card should be overturned on appeal
Agreed. Connolly did nothing to merit that. He was the one who was attacked. It was a push to the face as much as anything and an awful shame if that puts the lad out of an AI final.
Quote from: Throw ball on August 28, 2011, 07:16:54 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 28, 2011, 07:10:02 PM
It was Tyrone in 03 that started this blanket defence stuff remember the semi final will they held Kerry to 6 scores & from what i seen today Dublin also displayed plenty of blanket defence cute fouling, as they say it takes two to tango so why are Donegal getting all the criticism for a poor game?
Simple. They have been doing it all year while Dublin did try to attack a bit.
The blanket defence may have been coined in 2003 but that Tyrone team developed into quite a football team. :( I doubt this Donegal team will.
Well Donegal don't have the forwards that tyrone had back then.
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 28, 2011, 07:10:02 PM
It was Tyrone in 03 that started this blanket defence stuff remember the semi final will they held Kerry to 6 scores & from what i seen today Dublin also displayed plenty of blanket defence cute fouling, as they say it takes two to tango so why are Donegal getting all the criticism for a poor game?
Donegal have played that type of suffocating ultra defensive game all year. Dublin have at least tried to play decent football throughout the championship.
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 28, 2011, 07:10:02 PM
It was Tyrone in 03 that started this blanket defence stuff remember the semi final will they held Kerry to 6 scores & from what i seen today Dublin also displayed plenty of blanket defence cute fouling, as they say it takes two to tango so why are Donegal getting all the criticism for a poor game?
You are quite wrong.
Armagh developed this trend first, Tyrone took it to a new "professional" level.
I do wonder to what extent the "scientific analysis" of gaelic football at UUJ contributed to this defensive style .....?
Roll on Donegal, was McGuinness not a graduate of that school?
A simple game of football, flaws and all, has been analysed -and coached - mostly by paid coaches - into extinction.
It is the Ulster way and (as an Ulsterman) it is pathetic.
Now, broken record time:
Limit the handpass to 3
A free awarded must be kicked in a forward direction
Any more than two players going into tackle an opponent is a foul
Let me go back to my handpass argument (although why it's still called "foot" ball is now a moot point), it will be difficult to referee this restriction for a couple of years but eventually coaches will realise the folly of this possession type of game and, in training, will get back to a combination of ball movements including the foot pass.
Witness Donegal today, a succession of maybe 8 or 9 handpasses leaves a player with a final option of having to foot pass. Result? can't do it and it inevitably goes astray to a Dublin player, time and again.
All McGuinness has done is he has looked at our flawed rules, identified how best to use them to counter better footballers, and the better footballers get frustrated and can't function. Having said that, those who think that football won today are deluded. It's just that Dublin (a very negative team with a couple of very goos footballers) are not just as dire at the dark arts as our Ulster colleagues.
Where McGuinness did go wrong was that when Dublin went down to 14, it was surely time to plant Murphy on the square - but as Brolly said there was no plan B.
But all we saw today was the inevitable drift of gaelic football under the current playing rules - and who has the balls to say so?
If the game continues in the vain it did today I think we will see attendances plummet even further next year.....it was awful awful stuff
Glad to come out the right side in the end though, lads saying that the ref gave us everything must really really hate us, donegal tried to bate the living shite of us today, anyways fellow country lads thanks for some of the kind words and the begrudgers and haters ::)
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 28, 2011, 07:46:56 PM
If the game continues in the vain it did today I think we will see attendances plummet even further next year.....it was awful awful stuff
Glad to come out the right side in the end though, lads saying that the ref gave us everything must really really hate us, donegal tried to bate the living shite of us today, anyways fellow country lads thanks for some of the kind words and the begrudgers and haters ::)
From the culchie zone, I thought the referee did well - both teams ver physical - although the red card was harsh.
a victory for football. if donegal won today every club team in ireland would play that way. mc guinness would want to take a long cold shower and ask himself if he is happy with that shite. awful game terrible skills but i dont care.
tell screen the chimps were happy with the bananas from derry
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 28, 2011, 07:46:56 PM
If the game continues in the vain it did today I think we will see attendances plummet even further next year.....it was awful awful stuff
Glad to come out the right side in the end though, lads saying that the ref gave us everything must really really hate us, donegal tried to bate the living shite of us today, anyways fellow country lads thanks for some of the kind words and the begrudgers and haters ::)
Congratulations Sack!! ;)
Glad to see Dublin win, because at least it ensures that the final will be between two teams who want to win it by playing football.
There is no place in an All Ireland Final for the type of shite that masquerades as football in Donegal.
When you consider the thrills and excitement that the soccer in England provided today, would it be any surprise to see our kids turn their backs on the Gaa, when you see the trash that was on offer in Croke Park today.
For the wellbeing of the Gaa, football needed that Dublin win today, because the alternative would have been to see the life strangled out of the All Ireland Final as well.
Quote from: Gold on August 28, 2011, 06:23:45 PM
Ref was awful--Dublin had to win. He gave the Dubs so many handy frees --a few of which were straight after stupid Donegal backs had dropped clean, unopposed catches.
As John Patrick McEnroe used to say -
you cannot be serious.
Donegal are the most despicable shower ever to disgrace themselves at Croke Park. May they never be given the opportunity to sully the hallowed sward again.
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on August 28, 2011, 07:54:14 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on August 28, 2011, 07:46:56 PM
If the game continues in the vain it did today I think we will see attendances plummet even further next year.....it was awful awful stuff
Glad to come out the right side in the end though, lads saying that the ref gave us everything must really really hate us, donegal tried to bate the living shite of us today, anyways fellow country lads thanks for some of the kind words and the begrudgers and haters ::)
Congratulations Sack!! ;)
Ah rufus ya ledge.....thanks dude, appreciate it ;D
Very sorry for Diarmuid Connolly. No way did he deserve a red card.
It would be a gross injustice if he were to miss a chance to play in the Final.
If I was Kerry I'd beworried in that Dublin got the softest frees awarded tis year. Donegal forwards got savaged by 3-4 Dubs with nothing given yet every time Bernard Brogan and the Dub forwards grimaced they got a free. What a joke.
Headquarters has already decided Sam is coming to the capital.
I found it fascinating too but, at the same time, detested the way Donegal persistently and consistently passed backwards when they actually broke free over the half forward line. It was conservative football in the extreme and I suppose it's Donegal's prerogative to play that well. Ugly and frustrating to watch though and on a lesser stage than today (devoid of the prize at stake) it would be wretched.
Quote from: ONeill on August 28, 2011, 09:20:01 PM
I found it fascinating too but, at the same time, detested the way Donegal persistently and consistently passed backwards when they actually broke free over the half forward line. It was conservative football in the extreme and I suppose it's Donegal's prerogative to play that well. Ugly and frustrating to watch though and on a lesser stage than today (devoid of the prize at stake) it would be wretched.
I think that's spot on ONeill. The match was immensely interesting given the numerous sub-plots and the immensity of the occasion. I found today's game compelling in its own right but the reality is that if this was the prototype for how Gaelic football is to develop then our games are likely to become significantly less popular.
But at the end of the day Jim McGuinness deserves credit in my eyes. I saw Donegal deliver two gutless shameful displays against Armagh last year yet twelve months later they are a transformed team capable of giving severe difficulty to the best in the country. The players are generally the same individuals who performed so abysmally in 2010 and so the manager can take immense credit for their magnificent progress. And indeed but for some fairly fortunately awarded frees to "even up" the sending-off Donegal could have gone all the way.
That Donegal player who took a dive to have Connolly sent off was a disgrace. If a premier league footballer did that he would get dogs abuse.
That performance by Donegal was the most cynical display I have senn by any football/hurling team in 15 years going to matches. One forward for the whole game & constant dives to delay the game.
Would have been a disgrace if those tactics would have taken them to an all ireland final
i feel very sorry for the players. but they came up a wee bit short but gave it everything and you can't knock the huge effort they put in. i'm hopeful they'll be back tougher, stronger and a little bit fitter to finish games like that off next year. for the first 50mins we played with a level of intensity that even dublin were struggling to find answers to. i've never seen a donegal side strip ball like that, nor sweep up breaking ball as good. they were awesome. but for whatever reason, whether we felt it was in the bag and just took the foot off the gas, we didn't press home when we should have. from 50-60mins we had a couple of opportunities to get the ball to men in scoring positions and we didn't switch play and take those opportunities when they were there. the left wing was wide open in the second half and our runners who got there were ignored. it just kept going right. then a couple of dub scores and we started coughing up ball unnecessarily, lacking in concentration or maybe we were starting to get fatigued, but we should have shut that game out. it was there for the taking. it's kinda inexplicable really. i don't know why we didn't kill it off when we had the impetus and the legs for it. it's the first game we went full pelt from the off and perhaps it was unknown territory for us as far as whether we were fit enough for it. in the last 10mins the legs were going and then left and we lost our shape and were a spent force by then.
what i'm hoping for the future is that we stick to our guns and trust in it to take us further next year. at one point a stat for possession was shown and it was so lopsidedly in favour of donegal i had to look at it again. so the plan to move the ball through the hand was a good one, we just ran out of gas to do it for the full 70mins effectively. the type of game we play requires everyone being fit enough to go full 70mins and beyond and get enough players up there in support. too many players didn't have the legs at the finish to forward in support. i don't want to single any one player out, but in a general sense, our passing and vision wasn't what it should have been at times today.
An ongoing nonsense postulation from various analysts over the past few years has cited long early ball and long range shooting as the only ways to beat a blanket defence.
Today I'd think that Kevin McMenamon largely proved a theory of mine that the best way to beat the blanket is to stop it covering you.
In the 1st half, Dublin did little but kick pointless balls into the trap. Even if Brogan won a ball, he was swamped and isolated.
McMenamon single handedly changed Dublin's methods. His clever running, both off and on the ball, was a constant feature of the 2nd half. It meant that Dublin maintained possession, but more importantly, did so with enough momentum to ensure that the blanket had to keep moving and keep re-forming.
When teams learn to commit wholeheartedly to running diagonal, handpassing lines against Donegal's system, they will get in front, and Donegal will have no choice but to become more expansive.
I still say fair play to McGuinness this yer though. If this is the first year of a bigger plan - one in which Donegal use their defensive knowledge and base as the platform for better football - then I wouldn't be long firing the chequebook at him and dragging him to Down. If his football ethics are purely defensive, I'll even respect that too. But he needs at least one more marquee forward before he'll top this year's end position.
fascinating game . Every score had to be fought for . I am sure this will help Dublin big time . For me Dublins greater fitmess ,better subs and Donegals lack of a forward threat other than McFadden .
only a sado maschiost found thar fascinating. it was shite it was beyond puke football. and donegal have descreated gaelic football with thar shite today. it wad a disgrace.
Quote from: Shrewdness on August 28, 2011, 08:02:54 PM
Glad to see Dublin win, because at least it ensures that the final will be between two teams who want to win it by playing football.
There is no place in an All Ireland Final for the type of shite that masquerades as football in Donegal.
When you consider the thrills and excitement that the soccer in England provided today, would it be any surprise to see our kids turn their backs on the Gaa, when you see the trash that was on offer in Croke Park today.
For the wellbeing of the Gaa, football needed that Dublin win today, because the alternative would have been to see the life strangled out of the All Ireland Final as well.
Man Utd scored as many goals today as Dublin scored points.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 28, 2011, 10:03:03 PM
only a sado maschiost found thar fascinating. it was shite it was beyond puke football. and donegal have descreated gaelic football with thar shite today. it wad a disgrace.
If it was shite, there were two arses on the grunting-mug.
Depraved I know, but I was sorta fantasising about how Kerry would have coped against Donegal.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 28, 2011, 10:03:03 PM
only a sado maschiost found thar fascinating. it was shite it was beyond puke football. and donegal have descreated gaelic football with thar shite today. it wad a disgrace.
What was the faciniating was Dublins inability to counteract the well known system of donegal for most of the game .What were you expecting ?
donegal are a jokeshop. manus boyle should get 9.8 for feigning injury. hope he sleeps well tonite
Quote from: ONeill on August 28, 2011, 10:09:51 PM
Depraved I know, but I was sorta fantasising about how Kerry would have coped against Donegal.
Not sure I would have expected more ball ballooned in ontop of the full forward line .Not been at the game I am not sure how much work the Dublin forwards were doing off the ball
Is the Donegal system the most severe example of blanket defence ?
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on August 28, 2011, 10:05:15 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on August 28, 2011, 08:02:54 PM
Glad to see Dublin win, because at least it ensures that the final will be between two teams who want to win it by playing football.
There is no place in an All Ireland Final for the type of shite that masquerades as football in Donegal.
When you consider the thrills and excitement that the soccer in England provided today, would it be any surprise to see our kids turn their backs on the Gaa, when you see the trash that was on offer in Croke Park today.
For the wellbeing of the Gaa, football needed that Dublin win today, because the alternative would have been to see the life strangled out of the All Ireland Final as well.
Man Utd scored as many goals today as Dublin scored points.
Man Utd are c***ts..............
There were two of em innit . It was as Pat said shi-ite. Donegal are at best Kildare lite and with proper refereeing would have been gone in QF. Kildare- Dublin would have been such a superior spectacle. The strange thing about it all is that it has virtually no bearing on final as Kerry cant do the Nordie defence and B Brogan might score ten . Gooch might score 11 though.
Quote from: johnpower on August 28, 2011, 09:56:49 PM
fascinating game . Every score had to be fought for . I am sure this will help Dublin big time . For me Dublins greater fitmess ,better subs and Donegals lack of a forward threat other than McFadden .
i couldn't agree more john, it was jaw-dropping the intensity of it! i thought it was brilliant while we had the legs for it. it was an amazing spectacle where every blade of grass counted.
mcguinness's tactics were flawed only in the sense that our players weren't fit enough to see it through and we didn't play well enough. our passing let us down and we lacked a bit of vision too to pick the pass when the defence splitting pass was there. plenty to work on.
frank mcglynn was huge too. he was all over the shop.
Bernard Brogan got MOTM on the sunday game :o when a game ends 8-6 one of the defenders deserves that award.
Quote from: ross4life on August 28, 2011, 10:22:23 PM
Bernard Brogan got MOTM on the sunday game :o when a game ends 8-6 one of the defenders deserves that award.
On what basis did they give it to Brogan? I thought Ger Brennan was very good, which shows you how weird it was.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on August 28, 2011, 09:30:00 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 28, 2011, 09:20:01 PM
I found it fascinating too but, at the same time, detested the way Donegal persistently and consistently passed backwards when they actually broke free over the half forward line. It was conservative football in the extreme and I suppose it's Donegal's prerogative to play that well. Ugly and frustrating to watch though and on a lesser stage than today (devoid of the prize at stake) it would be wretched.
I think that's spot on ONeill. The match was immensely interesting given the numerous sub-plots and the immensity of the occasion. I found today's game compelling in its own right but the reality is that if this was the prototype for how Gaelic football is to develop then our games are likely to become significantly less popular.
But at the end of the day Jim McGuinness deserves credit in my eyes. I saw Donegal deliver two gutless shameful displays against Armagh last year yet twelve months later they are a transformed team capable of giving severe difficulty to the best in the country. The players are generally the same individuals who performed so abysmally in 2010 and so the manager can take immense credit for their magnificent progress. And indeed but for some fairly fortunately awarded frees to "even up" the sending-off Donegal could have gone all the way.
They got a lucky break against Kildare to get them to this match so as the cliche goes these things even themselves out ;)
Ulster teams have been hammered in the south over the past 10 years for the blanket defence, but by resorting to an ultra-defensive mode e.g. 14 men behind the ball, you have to attack fast and in numbers. Donegal didn't seem to have thought through the attacking part of the game.
Quote from: dublin7 on August 28, 2011, 09:35:08 PM
That Donegal player who took a dive to have Connolly sent off was a disgrace. If a premier league footballer did that he would get dogs abuse.
That performance by Donegal was the most cynical display I have senn by any football/hurling team in 15 years going to matches. One forward for the whole game & constant dives to delay the game.
Would have been a disgrace if those tactics would have taken them to an all ireland final
Did Connelly strike him or not? Regardless of whether he made a meal of it or not, the Dublin player struck him and it was still a red card even if the Donegal player had have kept his feet. A lot of stuff said about Donegals system but to hold a team scoreless from play for 60 mins takes some effort. From listening to Spillane and co you would think that Donegal would only have deserved to win if they had given Dublin a load of opportunities to score. And its not like Dublin didnt pack the defense as well. There was a stage of the match when Brogan was the only man they had to aim at in the full forward line. Where were the rest?
Quote from: ross4life on August 28, 2011, 10:22:23 PM
Bernard Brogan got MOTM on the sunday game :o when a game ends 8-6 one of the defenders deserves that award.
I'd have given it to one of the turnstile people or maybe a lockhard.
Quote from: ross4life on August 28, 2011, 10:22:23 PM
Bernard Brogan got MOTM on the sunday game :o when a game ends 8-6 one of the defenders deserves that award.
i barely noticed bb was playing. i thought connolly was the pick of the dub forwards. he's a horse of player, not let up in the man at all.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 28, 2011, 10:24:05 PM
Quote from: ross4life on August 28, 2011, 10:22:23 PM
Bernard Brogan got MOTM on the sunday game :o when a game ends 8-6 one of the defenders deserves that award.
On what basis did they give it to Brogan? I thought Ger Brennan was very good, which shows you how weird it was.
That he scored four frees & made another point.
Quote from: ross4life on August 28, 2011, 10:22:23 PM
Bernard Brogan got MOTM on the sunday game :o when a game ends 8-6 one of the defenders deserves that award.
When one team has 14 defenders you would expect low scoring game. Brogan played a part in nearly all dublin's scores, well deserved.
Academy award goes to Boyle for his dive :-[
If a cork player received a red card for that Davis would go mental, what a joke
Quote from: muppet on August 28, 2011, 10:28:04 PM
Quote from: ross4life on August 28, 2011, 10:22:23 PM
Bernard Brogan got MOTM on the sunday game :o when a game ends 8-6 one of the defenders deserves that award.
I'd have given it to one of the turnstile people or maybe a lockhard.
Surely should have gone to the face in the crowd.
Maybe Kevin McMenamin was the most effective player in hindsight.
connolly deserved to go. he got caught trying to disguise a two fisted punch as a two fisted shove by hiding his clenched fists inside the jersey of the player he struck. he has great aggression and will to win, just needs to have more control and not lose the plot in the heat of the moment. i think it was bradley who retaliated for us and he should have went too.
he deserved nothing. manus boyle feigned injury. like the fraud of a tean donegal are. that was a farce today. michael murphy must be sitting at home sating to himself saying to himsel how does one of the best florwards in the game enjoy playing in a system that makes me look shit.
If Connolly deserved to go, then so too did the Donegal man who came flying into him directly after his transgression.
In my opinion, neither of them deserved so much as a stern word.
By the sentiments on this thread, it appears any number of GAA followers want our game to become the cheating-infested, aggression free sport that is soccer.
Quotehe deserved nothing. manus boyle feigned injury.
Wise up you dickhead. Does it take a broken jaw to qualify as a punch for you and the thugs you represent? Its the likes of you and your comments that encourage the knuckle-draggers that left a young lad in a coma in New York.
Quote from: cadence on August 28, 2011, 10:28:30 PM
Quote from: ross4life on August 28, 2011, 10:22:23 PM
Bernard Brogan got MOTM on the sunday game :o when a game ends 8-6 one of the defenders deserves that award.
i barely noticed bb was playing. i thought connolly was the pick of the dub forwards. he's a horse of player, not let up in the man at all.
WTF?!
He did f all bar get blocked down
A lot of you boys are making defences for donegal against charges that were never made. No one said they were doing something outside the rules of football. What we are saying is that the rules must be changed to prevent ugly negative displays like that being a success. Soccer had a similar problem with the backpass years ago and the rule was changed. Like it if not the gaa is involved in a battle for the hearts and minds of the young. The amount of people who turned their tvs over to the united arsenal game today was unreal going by what I was seeing on Facebook. The rule makers need to waken up quick or we will have 3 or 4 donegal clones next year.
Quote from: under the bar on August 28, 2011, 10:54:54 PM
Quotehe deserved nothing. manus boyle feigned injury.
Wise up you d**khead. Does it take a broken jaw to qualify as a punch for you and the thugs you represent? Its the likes of you and your comments that encourage the knuckle-draggers that left a young lad in a coma in New York.
True--to the letter of the law its a red card. If you're gonna raise your hands you know the risk your running
Stupid
Quote from: Gold on August 28, 2011, 10:57:47 PM
Quote from: under the bar on August 28, 2011, 10:54:54 PM
Quotehe deserved nothing. manus boyle feigned injury.
Wise up you d**khead. Does it take a broken jaw to qualify as a punch for you and the thugs you represent? Its the likes of you and your comments that encourage the knuckle-draggers that left a young lad in a coma in New York.
True--to the letter of the law its a red card. If you're gonna raise your hands you know the risk your running
Stupid
You wouldn't get sent of for that in an u12 match and if the rules say a red card for raising your hands then most games would finish 5 a side. The ref and linesman were conned by a sneaky dive and if anyone should get a red card its tge donegal player for his dive.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 28, 2011, 10:44:08 PM
he deserved nothing. manus boyle feigned injury. like the fraud of a tean donegal are. that was a farce today. michael murphy must be sitting at home sating to himself saying to himsel how does one of the best florwards in the game enjoy playing in a system that makes me look shit.
I'll presume you've had a few to celebrate and that its the drink which is accounting for the nonsense you are spouting. Connolly struck a player in the face with his fist. Red card. There was little power and Boyle to his shame exaggerated the contact but there's no prospect of an appeal.
Now I don't know Michael Murphy personally but I'd place a wager at long odds on that in the cold light of day he'll have enjoyed lifting the Anglo-Celt and playing in his first All Ireland senior semi-final more than being humiliated in the first round of the qualifiers in Crossmaglen.
Under the bar, if you can't understand the difference between two players squaring up for handbags and a player callously suckerpunching another, then you really should refrain from commenting on our sport.
Can't believe anyone is defending Donegal!!!! Dublin didn't play a defensive game, Donegal brought 5 of their forwards back and Dublin simply maintained their positions so Donegal tactics meant that both forward lines were outmanned all day. Anyone who says Connolly deserved to get sent off has no feel for football, where in the rule book does it say you can't raise your hands? Boyle dived it was as simple as that and he should be ashamed.
Probably for the first time in history everyone watching that game, outside of Donegal folk, were shouting for Dublin.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on August 28, 2011, 11:08:32 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 28, 2011, 10:44:08 PM
he deserved nothing. manus boyle feigned injury. like the fraud of a tean donegal are. that was a farce today. michael murphy must be sitting at home sating to himself saying to himsel how does one of the best florwards in the game enjoy playing in a system that makes me look shit.
I'll presume you've had a few to celebrate and that its the drink which is accounting for the nonsense you are spouting. Connolly struck a player in the face with his fist. Red card. There was little power and Boyle to his shame exaggerated the contact but there's no prospect of an appeal.
Now I don't know Michael Murphy personally but I'd place a wager at long odds on that in the cold light of day he'll have enjoyed lifting the Anglo-Celt and playing in his first All Ireland senior semi-final more than being humiliated in the first round of the qualifiers in Crossmaglen.
No he didn't, Connolly 'hit' him on the shoulder and Boyle went down clutching his face, it's bullshit to say he struck him in the face. On top of that another Donegal player came in and did the same thing to Connolly but he stood up like a man.
i started this game cheering on donegal, the ulster connection and an outside chance of getting in the money places in the local fantasy football. wasn't long changing my allegiance, f**k the 30 quid on fantasty football.donegal were like a Sam alderdyce, moruinho soccer side, this was dire, the gamesmanship and diving etc was horrible to watch, connolly was stupid firing a punch to the shoulder but the reaction was pathetic, hittingthe ground like he had been hit by a high calibre bullet, then kavanagh does something similar to connolly and gets feck all. thank God it spurred the dubs on. anyway a victory for football and hopefully this current template is consigned to the dustbin of history.
Its possible that he was called for the first push into the Donegal players face rather than the second which was into the shoulder.
Either way, neither of the contacts to face or shoulder could in any way, shape or form be considered a strike and the fact that the Donegal player instigated the pushing and shoving in the first place made it worse. Granted Connelly did do a bit of shoving with another Donegal player immediately prior to that so looking at the sequence as a whole he deserves a kick up the hole for being such a hot head at that critical time.
Still, a red card was totally over the top.
Quote from: Gold on August 28, 2011, 10:55:36 PM
Quote from: cadence on August 28, 2011, 10:28:30 PM
Quote from: ross4life on August 28, 2011, 10:22:23 PM
Bernard Brogan got MOTM on the sunday game :o when a game ends 8-6 one of the defenders deserves that award.
i barely noticed bb was playing. i thought connolly was the pick of the dub forwards. he's a horse of player, not let up in the man at all.
WTF?!
He did f all bar get blocked down
it wasn't the type of game where players could score at will. today was a day for workrate and aggression, and alright, he went over the line by losing the head, but he never once went missing and was a total pain in the arse to defend against the whole day long. he can do the pretty stuff knocking the ball over the bar when he gets the space, and now we know he can dog it out trying to win the ball for his team, which is one thankless task (apparently).
Quote from: Zulu on August 28, 2011, 11:16:01 PM
Can't believe anyone is defending Donegal!!!! Dublin didn't play a defensive game, Donegal brought 5 of their forwards back and Dublin simply maintained their positions so Donegal tactics meant that both forward lines were outmanned all day. Anyone who says Connolly deserved to get sent off has no feel for football, where in the rule book does it say you can't raise your hands? Boyle dived it was as simple as that and he should be ashamed.
Probably for the first time in history everyone watching that game, outside of Donegal folk, were shouting for Dublin.
Dublin didn't play a defensive game as much, you only have to watch back the 1st half to see 5,6 Dublin defenders swarming around any Donegal forward that had the ball.
If Connolly didn't deserved to get sent off then he should get off when CCCC review it?
Boyle is a coward of a GAA player. let no-one say any different. A coward plain and simple. The linesman a complete disgrace.
Let no-one from the ulster defensive organisation tell you that was all about work-rate and aggression. It was disgrace to the game. that was good vs evil today. Thank God the game was saved today.
How Michael Murphy can go from being on the best forwards in the game to looking like a shit player is only something the donegal management can answer for.
We should enter the donegal team in the olympic handwall london 2012. Guaranteed gold medal.
They are the laughing stock of the GAA world after that today.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 28, 2011, 11:27:50 PM
Its possible that he was called for the first push into the Donegal players face rather than the second which was into the shoulder.
Either way, neither of the contacts to face or shoulder could in any way, shape or form be considered a strike and the fact that the Donegal player instigated the pushing and shoving in the first place made it worse. Granted Connelly did do a bit of shoving with another Donegal player immediately prior to that so looking at the sequence as a whole he deserves a kick up the hole for being such a hot head at that critical time.
Still, a red card was totally over the top.
Must say I'd presumed it was for the first "strike" which was to the face. I'd be surprised if he got off on appeal though you couldn't help but feel great sympathy towards him on a personal level.
Yes they had 5 or 6 defenders around the player because Donegal only had one up front!! I hope Connolly gets off and he certainly deserves to. Is there a rule that allows the CCC to ban Boyle?
boyle should also Definitely have got a red card as her was the originaltor of the the fisticuffs / llike the rest if Donegal today he should be told go home and dont came back to croke park for a long long time . its nearly enough to make you shout for Tyrone in the Ulster Championship
Quote from: INDIANA on August 28, 2011, 11:38:21 PM
Boyle is a coward of a GAA player. let no-one say any different. A coward plain and simple. The linesman a complete disgrace.
Let no-one from the ulster defensive organisation tell you that was all about work-rate and aggression. It was disgrace to the game. that was good vs evil today. Thank God the game was saved today.
How Michael Murphy can go from being on the best forwards in the game to looking like a shit player is only something the donegal management can answer for.
We should enter the donegal team in the olympic handwall london 2012. Guaranteed gold medal.
They are the laughing stock of the GAA world after that today.
take it easy on the pints ;D
Good riddance to Donegal! I always support Ulster teams and rarely support Dublin, but not today. I found myself detesting Donegal and cheering on the Dubs, who genuinely tried to play football.
I watched the game (through my fingers) in a pub in Sligo and so many people turned their back on the game and watched the Utd game.
Brolly said at half time that it could just as easily by 0-0. He was right. Colm O'Rourke summed it up for me...
"I'm glad Dublin won. It was a victory Gaelic Football. Donegal have degraded the game into a shambles and I am delighted they got what they deserved today - nothing!"
Quote from: INDIANA on August 28, 2011, 11:38:21 PM
Boyle is a coward of a GAA player. let no-one say any different. A coward plain and simple. The linesman a complete disgrace.
Let no-one from the ulster defensive organisation tell you that was all about work-rate and aggression. It was disgrace to the game. that was good vs evil today. Thank God the game was saved today.
How Michael Murphy can go from being on the best forwards in the game to looking like a shit player is only something the donegal management can answer for.
We should enter the donegal team in the olympic handwall london 2012. Guaranteed gold medal.
They are the laughing stock of the GAA world after that today.
Any chance Dublin could deal with the finanial crisis and the war in Libya as well?! :D
The Donegal management turned Michael Murphy into an Ulster championship winning captain. I'd say he'll settle for that for 2011.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 28, 2011, 11:38:21 PM
Boyle is a coward of a GAA player. let no-one say any different. A coward plain and simple. The linesman a complete disgrace.
Let no-one from the ulster defensive organisation tell you that was all about work-rate and aggression. It was disgrace to the game. that was good vs evil today. Thank God the game was saved today.
How Michael Murphy can go from being on the best forwards in the game to looking like a shit player is only something the donegal management can answer for.
We should enter the donegal team in the olympic handwall london 2012. Guaranteed gold medal.
They are the laughing stock of the GAA world after that today.
Copper face jacks is open shortly get in there & enjoy yourself first final for 16 years & all that...
Quote from: INDIANA on August 28, 2011, 11:38:21 PM
Boyle is a coward of a GAA player. let no-one say any different. A coward plain and simple. The linesman a complete disgrace.
Let no-one from the ulster defensive organisation tell you that was all about work-rate and aggression. It was disgrace to the game. that was good vs evil today. Thank God the game was saved today.
How Michael Murphy can go from being on the best forwards in the game to looking like a shit player is only something the donegal management can answer for.
We should enter the donegal team in the olympic handwall london 2012. Guaranteed gold medal.
They are the laughing stock of the GAA world after that today.
A few more posts like that and you can join them as a laughing stock.
Quote from: ross4life on August 28, 2011, 11:52:00 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 28, 2011, 11:38:21 PM
Boyle is a coward of a GAA player. let no-one say any different. A coward plain and simple. The linesman a complete disgrace.
Let no-one from the ulster defensive organisation tell you that was all about work-rate and aggression. It was disgrace to the game. that was good vs evil today. Thank God the game was saved today.
How Michael Murphy can go from being on the best forwards in the game to looking like a shit player is only something the donegal management can answer for.
We should enter the donegal team in the olympic handwall london 2012. Guaranteed gold medal.
They are the laughing stock of the GAA world after that today.
Copper face jacks is open shortly get in there & enjoy yourself first final for 16 years & all that...
Dont drink ross. Never have. Perfectly sober and happy as a pig in shit we're back in the big-time. And that the game was saved today from a bigger pox then refereeing. Long 4 hour drive home for Mc Guinness to think about how many differrent ways to hit 200 handpasses a game and how to make a potentially great player like murphy look Junior D.
Jesus there's some shite being talked on here today. . . On the game itself it was dire!! Donegal had ample opportunity to put Dublin away and didn't do it. My own personal opinion is that it all fell apart when Karl Lacey went off. The team looked tired after that point and the heart seemed to have gone out of them. He is pure class and the heartbeat of the team I would say.
Dublin were brutal at times and confirmed my opinion that they have too many average players on the team. Lads like Barry Cahill, Cullen, MD McAuley, Fennell, McConnell, Bastick, O'Gara wouldn't get on the panel in Kerry or Cork but the greatness of the Brogans means that having these fellas around to do donkey work makies them competitive. Without BB Dublin wouldn't get out of Leinster.
Boyle needs to take a long hard look at himself as does Connolly. He didn't deserve to go at all but if he kept his hands down he stays on the pitch and gets to play in an All Ireland final, brainless stuff really and as I suspected he couldn't handle it being put up to him today and got frustrated. He won't get to mark Justin McMahon every time he goes out on the field!
As for 'the state of our game' I have never been worried and nor should anyone else be about the state of our game. Had Donegal won today Kerry would have wiped the floor with them much like they will with Dublin and teams around the country will realise that creating better footballers is the way to win things rather than a team of athletes conditioned to be in a certain place at a certain time.
By and large Gaelic football is a fair game and the team with the best players will generally win. Kerry are the prime example of this. Kerry have more better footballers than probably Dublin and Donegal put together and the way they play the game is how it should be played. When they win the All Ireland hopefully all will return to normal and hopefully teams like Donegal and Dublin will try and get some more footballers in their teams rather than fella's who can hit hard and run for a long time.
I hope we win the AI but I have to say I wouldnt begrudge Dublin. Its good to finally have another side that is not willing to sacrifice every principle to win. We no longer stand alone.
Quote from: screenexile on August 28, 2011, 11:59:48 PM
Jesus there's some shite being talked on here today. . . On the game itself it was dire!! Donegal had ample opportunity to put Dublin away and didn't do it. My own personal opinion is that it all fell apart when Karl Lacey went off. The team looked tired after that point and the heart seemed to have gone out of them. He is pure class and the heartbeat of the team I would say.
Dublin were brutal at times and confirmed my opinion that they have too many average players on the team. Lads like Barry Cahill, Cullen, MD McAuley, Fennell, McConnell, Bastick, O'Gara wouldn't get on the panel in Kerry or Cork but the greatness of the Brogans means that having these fellas around to do donkey work makies them competitive. Without BB Dublin wouldn't get out of Leinster.
Boyle needs to take a long hard look at himself as does Connolly. He didn't deserve to go at all but if he kept his hands down he stays on the pitch and gets to play in an All Ireland final, brainless stuff really and as I suspected he couldn't handle it being put up to him today and got frustrated. He won't get to mark Justin McMahon every time he goes out on the field!
As for 'the state of our game' I have never been worried and nor should anyone else be about the state of our game. Had Donegal won today Kerry would have wiped the floor with them much like they will with Dublin and teams around the country will realise that creating better footballers is the way to win things rather than a team of athletes conditioned to be in a certain place at a certain time.
By and large Gaelic football is a fair game and the team with the best players will generally win. Kerry are the prime example of this. Kerry have more better footballers than probably Dublin and Donegal put together and the way they play the game is how it should be played. When they win the All Ireland hopefully all will return to normal and hopefully teams like Donegal and Dublin will try and get some more footballers in their teams rather than fella's who can hit hard and run for a long time.
Up your jaxe Damo. Your chimps couldnt beat donegal and ours could. You've been wrong every time very time about this dublin team and you only have to be wrong once more for me to consign you to the scrap heap on this website. Looking forward to it. You;re about as astute as Arsene Wenger's defensive coach.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 29, 2011, 12:04:48 AM
Quote from: screenexile on August 28, 2011, 11:59:48 PM
Jesus there's some shite being talked on here today. . . On the game itself it was dire!! Donegal had ample opportunity to put Dublin away and didn't do it. My own personal opinion is that it all fell apart when Karl Lacey went off. The team looked tired after that point and the heart seemed to have gone out of them. He is pure class and the heartbeat of the team I would say.
Dublin were brutal at times and confirmed my opinion that they have too many average players on the team. Lads like Barry Cahill, Cullen, MD McAuley, Fennell, McConnell, Bastick, O'Gara wouldn't get on the panel in Kerry or Cork but the greatness of the Brogans means that having these fellas around to do donkey work makies them competitive. Without BB Dublin wouldn't get out of Leinster.
Boyle needs to take a long hard look at himself as does Connolly. He didn't deserve to go at all but if he kept his hands down he stays on the pitch and gets to play in an All Ireland final, brainless stuff really and as I suspected he couldn't handle it being put up to him today and got frustrated. He won't get to mark Justin McMahon every time he goes out on the field!
As for 'the state of our game' I have never been worried and nor should anyone else be about the state of our game. Had Donegal won today Kerry would have wiped the floor with them much like they will with Dublin and teams around the country will realise that creating better footballers is the way to win things rather than a team of athletes conditioned to be in a certain place at a certain time.
By and large Gaelic football is a fair game and the team with the best players will generally win. Kerry are the prime example of this. Kerry have more better footballers than probably Dublin and Donegal put together and the way they play the game is how it should be played. When they win the All Ireland hopefully all will return to normal and hopefully teams like Donegal and Dublin will try and get some more footballers in their teams rather than fella's who can hit hard and run for a long time.
Up your jaxe Damo. Your chimps couldnt beat donegal and ours could. You've been wrong every time very time about this dublin team and you only have to be wrong once more for me to consign you to the scrap heap on this website. Looking forward to it. You;re about as astute as Arsene Wenger's defensive coach.
Take your 2 brothers out of the Dublin team and see if you would have beaten them today. In fairness Deegan did a fairly good job of winning it for you anyway!
PS. Damo?? wtf are you on about? A bad winner is worse than a bad loser Indie!!
Firstly delighted Dublin won but it's only fair to point out it was quite a cynical foul on Karl Lacey that was in fact game changing....
I disagree with your assessment of Dublin screen, I expect them to beat Kerry in the final and even if they don't they have better footballers than you give them credit for.
beg to differ about donegal being bad for the game. donegal have lit up this year's championship by coming from absolutely nowhere to upset the pecking order. in fact, they are showing the way forward for counties in the doldrums and are forcing other teams to play a certain way. it becomes a different type of game is all. and there is room for them to develop into something of a more complicated proposition next year.
i for one would hate to see us go backwards and lose that ferocious energy in defence. i wouldn't mind one bit if we became fitter and learned from our other failings today. it wasn't negativity that beat us, it was a lack of experience to close the game out when we had it in our grasp and we were that little bit too leggy in the end.
dublin's fitness was impressive today and i felt the exchange between both coaches at the end of the match when they shook hands spoke volumes for the respect they had for the show they put on. if i wanted to watch a game where there is no defence only attack i'd watch darts or something. that middle 3rd of the pitch was a gaelic football war zone. it was beautiful!
Quote from: screenexile on August 29, 2011, 12:07:06 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 29, 2011, 12:04:48 AM
Quote from: screenexile on August 28, 2011, 11:59:48 PM
Jesus there's some shite being talked on here today. . . On the game itself it was dire!! Donegal had ample opportunity to put Dublin away and didn't do it. My own personal opinion is that it all fell apart when Karl Lacey went off. The team looked tired after that point and the heart seemed to have gone out of them. He is pure class and the heartbeat of the team I would say.
Dublin were brutal at times and confirmed my opinion that they have too many average players on the team. Lads like Barry Cahill, Cullen, MD McAuley, Fennell, McConnell, Bastick, O'Gara wouldn't get on the panel in Kerry or Cork but the greatness of the Brogans means that having these fellas around to do donkey work makies them competitive. Without BB Dublin wouldn't get out of Leinster.
Boyle needs to take a long hard look at himself as does Connolly. He didn't deserve to go at all but if he kept his hands down he stays on the pitch and gets to play in an All Ireland final, brainless stuff really and as I suspected he couldn't handle it being put up to him today and got frustrated. He won't get to mark Justin McMahon every time he goes out on the field!
As for 'the state of our game' I have never been worried and nor should anyone else be about the state of our game. Had Donegal won today Kerry would have wiped the floor with them much like they will with Dublin and teams around the country will realise that creating better footballers is the way to win things rather than a team of athletes conditioned to be in a certain place at a certain time.
By and large Gaelic football is a fair game and the team with the best players will generally win. Kerry are the prime example of this. Kerry have more better footballers than probably Dublin and Donegal put together and the way they play the game is how it should be played. When they win the All Ireland hopefully all will return to normal and hopefully teams like Donegal and Dublin will try and get some more footballers in their teams rather than fella's who can hit hard and run for a long time.
Up your jaxe Damo. Your chimps couldnt beat donegal and ours could. You've been wrong every time very time about this dublin team and you only have to be wrong once more for me to consign you to the scrap heap on this website. Looking forward to it. You;re about as astute as Arsene Wenger's defensive coach.
Take your 2 brothers out of the Dublin team and see if you would have beaten them today. In fairness Deegan did a fairly good job of winning it for you anyway!
PS. Damo?? wtf are you on about? A bad winner is worse than a bad loser Indie!!
Not all Damo. We all know your the other priest from Father Ted.
You're a jokeshop of an analyst here Screen - you've been wrong every time this season on Dublin . I'm amazed you have the balls to even post here anymore.
I'm just praying you can be wrong once more to consign you and the rest of your resident chimps to the lab once and for all.
Still you might get a job on the donegal coaching staff by the looks of things.
Quote from: cadence on August 29, 2011, 12:10:22 AM
beg to differ about donegal being bad for the game. donegal have lit up this year's championship by coming from absolutely nowhere to upset the pecking order. in fact, they are showing the way forward for counties in the doldrums and are forcing other teams to play a certain way. it becomes a different type of game is all. and there is room for them to develop into something of a more complicated proposition next year.
i for one would hate to see us go backwards and lose that ferocious energy in defence. i wouldn't mind one bit if we became fitter and learned from our other failings today. it wasn't negativity that beat us, it was a lack of experience to close the game out when we had it in our grasp and we were that little bit too leggy in the end.
dublin's fitness was impressive today and i felt the exchange between both coaches at the end of the match when they shook hands spoke volumes for the respect they had for the show they put on. if i wanted to watch a game where there is no defence only attack i'd watch darts or something. that middle 3rd of the pitch was a gaelic football war zone. it was beautiful!
Sorry but Donegal haven't lit up the championship and I hope that nobody takes inspiration from the way you play. I can understand Donegal folk enjoying the whole experience but surely you can also understand that neutrals don't want to see football turn into a game where 6 or 7 points can win inter county games played in perfect conditions?
QuoteI thought it was pretty common knowledge around GAA circles that if a player makes an attempted strike at the head, wherever they connect or not, you run the risk of being sent off. Obviously not.
We do but I for one don't want to see lads get sent off for that type of thing. A bit of common sense wouldn't go astray.
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 29, 2011, 12:17:32 AM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 29, 2011, 12:01:32 AM
I hope we win the AI but I have to say I wouldnt begrudge Dublin. Its good to finally have another side that is not willing to sacrifice every principle to win. We no longer stand alone.
Aidan O'Mahoney just called, he wants to speak to you...
I know, it was strange....He told me Donegal were Tyrones b**tard child and then he hung up !
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 28, 2011, 11:27:50 PM
Its possible that he was called for the first push into the Donegal players face rather than the second which was into the shoulder.
Either way, neither of the contacts to face or shoulder could in any way, shape or form be considered a strike and the fact that the Donegal player instigated the pushing and shoving in the first place made it worse. Granted Connelly did do a bit of shoving with another Donegal player immediately prior to that so looking at the sequence as a whole he deserves a kick up the hole for being such a hot head at that critical time.
Still, a red card was totally over the top.
Good man Mike ;)
Quote from: cadence on August 29, 2011, 12:10:22 AM
beg to differ about donegal being bad for the game. donegal have lit up this year's championship by coming from absolutely nowhere to upset the pecking order. in fact, they are showing the way forward for counties in the doldrums and are forcing other teams to play a certain way. it becomes a different type of game is all. and there is room for them to develop into something of a more complicated proposition next year.
i for one would hate to see us go backwards and lose that ferocious energy in defence. i wouldn't mind one bit if we became fitter and learned from our other failings today. it wasn't negativity that beat us, it was a lack of experience to close the game out when we had it in our grasp and we were that little bit too leggy in the end.
dublin's fitness was impressive today and i felt the exchange between both coaches at the end of the match when they shook hands spoke volumes for the respect they had for the show they put on. if i wanted to watch a game where there is no defence only attack i'd watch darts or something. that middle 3rd of the pitch was a gaelic football war zone. it was beautiful!
Whats impressive about donegal. You have 4-5 brilliant players and you make them look like drains. I'd retire from coaching if I ever sent a team like that.
I'd prefer to lose by 20 points to kerry trying to play then play like that.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 29, 2011, 12:22:26 AM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 28, 2011, 11:27:50 PM
Its possible that he was called for the first push into the Donegal players face rather than the second which was into the shoulder.
Either way, neither of the contacts to face or shoulder could in any way, shape or form be considered a strike and the fact that the Donegal player instigated the pushing and shoving in the first place made it worse. Granted Connelly did do a bit of shoving with another Donegal player immediately prior to that so looking at the sequence as a whole he deserves a kick up the hole for being such a hot head at that critical time.
Still, a red card was totally over the top.
Good man Mike ;)
you are welcome, but I am a bit torn on this issue tbh.
I hope Connelly does not miss the final...but having said that the CCCC had better be careful how they justify it because we will be all over them. Nothing against Connelly but we still have a bone to pick with that shower.
Im amazed to hear fok compare Tyrone and Armaghs past style to donegals today. Donegal had no will to attack even with the extra man. The only comparion i can think of is Norway v italy 1994 world cup, italy a man off if i remember right and baresi not able to hop and what did Norway do, exactly what Donegal did.
Why did Des Cahill ask the panel why Donegal lost. We all know why they lost. It was because they could only score 6 points in 70 minutes football. That must have been the worst scoring return since teams were playing 21 or 17 a side.
Quote from: Onlooker on August 29, 2011, 12:42:37 AM
Why did Des Cahill ask the panel why Donegal lost. We all know why they lost. It was because they could only score 6 points in 70 minutes football. That must have been the worst scoring return since teams were playing 21 or 17 a side.
I remember seeing Roscommon defeat Armagh in a league game on a bog around 1980 in the depths of winter. It finished 0-6 to 0-5 if i recall. At least they had an excuse.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 28, 2011, 02:49:17 PM
Dubs will win with a bit to spare more football in them.
Hate to say I told ye so but..
Donegal got exactly what they deserved today. Their lady luck deserted them. They didn't deserve to beat Kildare and had a fair degree of fortune getting out of ulster. Lacey is a class footballer and was a loss but Donegal have too many boys who simply cant perform in the big games... mcfadden, hegarty, cassidy, gallagher etc - guys who dont count when the hits are coming thick and fast.
Dublin should be delighted to reach a final playing like that. I hope and expect them to beat kerry.
Today's game was a shocking advertisement for football. You cant blame people for deciding either - not going or not watching.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 29, 2011, 12:09:11 AM
Firstly delighted Dublin won but it's only fair to point out it was quite a cynical foul on Karl Lacey that was in fact game changing....
It may well have been Dinny but McGee stood on B Brogans ankle after the first free (approx 52 secs) after the ball was gone and it's like a balloon now and Rory O'Carroll got a kick in the face in the first five minutes, so if the ref is going to allow that sort of crap then you go with the flow.
How he let Donegal continually front up to Dublin players after every free (see Connolly's sending off) is beyond me especially with lads here saying he was kind to us.
I can handle Donegal putting 14 men behind the ball, but the continual diving and feigning injury was a disgrace, among many other examples Durkan getting up twice after a free out to block a shot on goal then hitting the deck for three minutes.
Don't have much more to say now. That was painful and anyone who found it fascinating needs their head read.
Mancini has finally seen the light and realised that SCORING is what wins games. Will McGuinness follow suit? Lets see but I think not
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 29, 2011, 12:53:38 AM
Quote from: Zulu on August 29, 2011, 12:21:38 AMWe do but I for one don't want to see lads get sent off for that type of thing. A bit of common sense wouldn't go astray.
The problem is that common sense isn't common and relies too much on emotion - if you apply such logic to refereeing games it breeds a lack of consistency in how fouls and cards are awarded.
Consistency is an impossibility IMO and therefofre I think common sense is far more important. Refs should judge each situation on its merits and react accordingly.
Quote from: Onlooker on August 29, 2011, 12:42:37 AM
Why did Des Cahill ask the panel why Donegal lost. We all know why they lost. It was because they could only score 6 points in 70 minutes football. That must have been the worst scoring return since teams were playing 21 or 17 a side.
Kerry had poor scoring returns in 01,03 semi finals.
Quote from: Zulu on August 29, 2011, 12:21:38 AM
Quote from: cadence on August 29, 2011, 12:10:22 AM
beg to differ about donegal being bad for the game. donegal have lit up this year's championship by coming from absolutely nowhere to upset the pecking order. in fact, they are showing the way forward for counties in the doldrums and are forcing other teams to play a certain way. it becomes a different type of game is all. and there is room for them to develop into something of a more complicated proposition next year.
i for one would hate to see us go backwards and lose that ferocious energy in defence. i wouldn't mind one bit if we became fitter and learned from our other failings today. it wasn't negativity that beat us, it was a lack of experience to close the game out when we had it in our grasp and we were that little bit too leggy in the end.
dublin's fitness was impressive today and i felt the exchange between both coaches at the end of the match when they shook hands spoke volumes for the respect they had for the show they put on. if i wanted to watch a game where there is no defence only attack i'd watch darts or something. that middle 3rd of the pitch was a gaelic football war zone. it was beautiful!
Sorry but Donegal haven't lit up the championship and I hope that nobody takes inspiration from the way you play. I can understand Donegal folk enjoying the whole experience but surely you can also understand that neutrals don't want to see football turn into a game where 6 or 7 points can win inter county games played in perfect conditions?
QuoteI thought it was pretty common knowledge around GAA circles that if a player makes an attempted strike at the head, wherever they connect or not, you run the risk of being sent off. Obviously not.
We do but I for one don't want to see lads get sent off for that type of thing. A bit of common sense wouldn't go astray.
well 9 pts would have won it for us, but take your point. i just think it's the type of game people are struggling to find the beauty in. all great sports allow space for dichotomy and duality and a good variety of human characteristics, like learned skill and innate grace and ability, and displaying bone chilling endeavour and exersion in launching an assault on what appears to be an insurmountable summit. truly great sport offers us lessons surely as it's a pretty good example of life. we have to admit that we don't have total control over everything, much and all as we'd like to. great sport is also about showing us how to cope when our world falls apart. how to become something else, painful inch by painful inch. more than anything sport is about believing in going off on a tangent to see what's there, because that's the only hope you have at some point. i'm very proud of this donegal team. it was an absolute pleasure watching them throw away the instructions and find their own way.
Quote from: heffo on August 29, 2011, 01:02:06 AMThat was painful and anyone who found it fascinating needs their head read.
Anyone who didn't find it fascinating has no concept of the essence of sport.
I couldn't agree more.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 29, 2011, 12:24:05 AM
Quote from: cadence on August 29, 2011, 12:10:22 AM
beg to differ about donegal being bad for the game. donegal have lit up this year's championship by coming from absolutely nowhere to upset the pecking order. in fact, they are showing the way forward for counties in the doldrums and are forcing other teams to play a certain way. it becomes a different type of game is all. and there is room for them to develop into something of a more complicated proposition next year.
i for one would hate to see us go backwards and lose that ferocious energy in defence. i wouldn't mind one bit if we became fitter and learned from our other failings today. it wasn't negativity that beat us, it was a lack of experience to close the game out when we had it in our grasp and we were that little bit too leggy in the end.
dublin's fitness was impressive today and i felt the exchange between both coaches at the end of the match when they shook hands spoke volumes for the respect they had for the show they put on. if i wanted to watch a game where there is no defence only attack i'd watch darts or something. that middle 3rd of the pitch was a gaelic football war zone. it was beautiful!
Whats impressive about donegal. You have 4-5 brilliant players and you make them look like drains. I'd retire from coaching if I ever sent a team like that.
I'd prefer to lose by 20 points to kerry trying to play then play like that.
where you see drains i see deep wells of humanity.
Quote from: Hardy on August 29, 2011, 01:21:58 AM
Quote from: heffo on August 29, 2011, 01:02:06 AMThat was painful and anyone who found it fascinating needs their head read.
Anyone who didn't find it fascinating has no concept of the essence of sport.
Fascinating it may have been but so is a fight outside a chipper. I wouldn't want to watch one of those every other weekend of the year either.
I hope Kerry stuff those scumbags. Their fans were a fecking disgrace...yet again. A disgrace to the GAA.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 29, 2011, 01:38:47 AM
Quote from: Hardy on August 29, 2011, 01:21:58 AM
Quote from: heffo on August 29, 2011, 01:02:06 AMThat was painful and anyone who found it fascinating needs their head read.
Anyone who didn't find it fascinating has no concept of the essence of sport.
Fascinating it may have been but so is a fight outside a chipper. I wouldn't want to watch one of those every other weekend of the year either.
Those chipper fights are overrated they end up throwing milk at each other.
Ref rode us completely. Shoulder tackles apparently not allowed, but we made it all the same! G'wan the Dubs!
Quote from: heffo on August 29, 2011, 01:02:06 AM
I can handle Donegal putting 14 men behind the ball, but the continual diving and feigning injury was a disgrace, among many other examples Durkan getting up twice after a free out to block a shot on goal then hitting the deck for three minutes.
This.
Though I'm in the minority camp here finding Donegal's tactics fascinating in general. Absorbing game.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 29, 2011, 12:09:11 AM
Firstly delighted Dublin won but it's only fair to point out it was quite a cynical foul on Karl Lacey that was in fact game changing....
Yes but can I also point out that if Donegal hadn't taken Johney Doyle out of the game in the first few minutes of the 1/4 final, they wouldn't have been contesting for a place in the final.
In other words, what goes around comes around!
Quote from: BennyCake on August 29, 2011, 01:57:11 AM
I hope Kerry stuff those scumbags. Their fans were a fecking disgrace...yet again. A disgrace to the GAA.
because............?
Quote from: Tyrones own on August 29, 2011, 02:45:05 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 29, 2011, 12:09:11 AM
Firstly delighted Dublin won but it's only fair to point out it was quite a cynical foul on Karl Lacey that was in fact game changing....
Yes but can I also point out that if Donegal hadn't taken Johney Doyle out of the game in the first few minutes of the 1/4 final, they wouldn't have been contesting for a place in the final.
In other words, what goes around comes around!
Utter fuckin' shite. Doyle was injured in an accidental collision... with Michael Hegarty, about the least dirty player around.
Very disappointed we didn't win the game, but Dublin were that bit fitter than us and took advantage in the last fifteen when we were out on our feet and starting to make a lot of mistakes. You have to admire the way Dublin kept at it and kept their composure when nothing was working for them earlier in the game and we were looking the much more likely winners (would like to see them win it now). Losing Lacey and McFadden's goal chance were the big turning points for us, but Dublin lost important players too. Their subs worked though and ours didn't. Once they got ahead, I knew it was over as we just didn't look to have the energy or leadership in Lacey's absence to create any openings. No complaints though. We've had a great year, given the depths we plummeted in Crossmaglen. Whether we can develop more of an attacking threat in the future remains to be seen. We certainly have one top class forward to build around, but we can't keep sacrificing him for our midfield weaknesses. Whatever happens, I hope McGuinness continues to have the courage of his convictions. If people are that worried about the 'future of our game' then change the fuckin' rules.
Quote from: J70 on August 29, 2011, 04:54:37 AM
Quote from: Tyrones own on August 29, 2011, 02:45:05 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 29, 2011, 12:09:11 AM
Firstly delighted Dublin won but it's only fair to point out it was quite a cynical foul on Karl Lacey that was in fact game changing....
Yes but can I also point out that if Donegal hadn't taken Johney Doyle out of the game in the first few minutes of the 1/4 final, they wouldn't have been contesting for a place in the final.
In other words, what goes around comes around!
Utter fuckin' shite. Doyle was injured in an accidental collision... with Michael Hegarty, about the least dirty player around.
So was Lacey whom might I add, I have a serious time for but I'll repeat it, what goes around comes around... a fit John Doyle for the full 70 mins
would have had ye out the gate!
Quote from: J70 on August 29, 2011, 05:14:34 AM
Very disappointed we didn't win the game, but Dublin were that bit fitter than us and took advantage in the last fifteen when we were out on our feet and starting to make a lot of mistakes. You have to admire the way Dublin kept at it and kept their composure when nothing was working for them earlier in the game and we were looking the much more likely winners (would like to see them win it now). Losing Lacey and McFadden's goal chance were the big turning points for us, but Dublin lost important players too. Their subs worked though and ours didn't. Once they got ahead, I knew it was over as we just didn't look to have the energy or leadership in Lacey's absence to create any openings. No complaints though. We've had a great year, given the depths we plummeted in Crossmaglen. Whether we can develop more of an attacking threat in the future remains to be seen. We certainly have one top class forward to build around, but we can't keep sacrificing him for our midfield weaknesses. Whatever happens, I hope McGuinness continues to have the courage of his convictions. If people are that worried about the 'future of our game' then change the fuckin' rules.
Face it J, and speaking for almost everyone outside of Donegal...Ye were utter shite and thon dismal display deserved that result !
Quote from: Hardy on August 29, 2011, 01:21:58 AM
Quote from: heffo on August 29, 2011, 01:02:06 AMThat was painful and anyone who found it fascinating needs their head read.
Anyone who didn't find it fascinating has no concept of the essence of sport.
Well I vote we give Donegal the essence of Sam Maguire and then tell them to fcuk off.
Quote from: cadence on August 29, 2011, 01:17:49 AM
Quote from: Zulu on August 29, 2011, 12:21:38 AM
Quote from: cadence on August 29, 2011, 12:10:22 AM
beg to differ about donegal being bad for the game. donegal have lit up this year's championship by coming from absolutely nowhere to upset the pecking order. in fact, they are showing the way forward for counties in the doldrums and are forcing other teams to play a certain way. it becomes a different type of game is all. and there is room for them to develop into something of a more complicated proposition next year.
i for one would hate to see us go backwards and lose that ferocious energy in defence. i wouldn't mind one bit if we became fitter and learned from our other failings today. it wasn't negativity that beat us, it was a lack of experience to close the game out when we had it in our grasp and we were that little bit too leggy in the end.
dublin's fitness was impressive today and i felt the exchange between both coaches at the end of the match when they shook hands spoke volumes for the respect they had for the show they put on. if i wanted to watch a game where there is no defence only attack i'd watch darts or something. that middle 3rd of the pitch was a gaelic football war zone. it was beautiful!
Sorry but Donegal haven't lit up the championship and I hope that nobody takes inspiration from the way you play. I can understand Donegal folk enjoying the whole experience but surely you can also understand that neutrals don't want to see football turn into a game where 6 or 7 points can win inter county games played in perfect conditions?
QuoteI thought it was pretty common knowledge around GAA circles that if a player makes an attempted strike at the head, wherever they connect or not, you run the risk of being sent off. Obviously not.
We do but I for one don't want to see lads get sent off for that type of thing. A bit of common sense wouldn't go astray.
well 9 pts would have won it for us, but take your point. i just think it's the type of game people are struggling to find the beauty in. all great sports allow space for dichotomy and duality and a good variety of human characteristics, like learned skill and innate grace and ability, and displaying bone chilling endeavour and exersion in launching an assault on what appears to be an insurmountable summit. truly great sport offers us lessons surely as it's a pretty good example of life. we have to admit that we don't have total control over everything, much and all as we'd like to. great sport is also about showing us how to cope when our world falls apart. how to become something else, painful inch by painful inch. more than anything sport is about believing in going off on a tangent to see what's there, because that's the only hope you have at some point. i'm very proud of this donegal team. it was an absolute pleasure watching them throw away the instructions and find their own way.
Was watching the Wigan Warriors playing Rugby League on Saturday. Thats always an option for Donegal next season.
Dublin team is like a casualty ward after the game. We'll be lucky to field against kerry. At least 6 players with injuries. Most of them taken out off the ball which more then balances out the Lacey incident!!
Delighted to be in the final.
Gutted for Connolly though. What a cheat and a coward that Boyle chap is
Just read this line from an article in the Irish times sports
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0829/1224303144532.html (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0829/1224303144532.html)
They gave Dublin all the possession they wanted from Cluxton's kick-outs and laid ne'er a finger on them until they reached halfway, whereupon they laid nothing short of great vengeance and furious anger.
I too have an element of sympathy for young Connolly. Apparently he's not yer usual flash harry full of ego Dub lad but he's very down to earth and goes out of his way to help the kids etc around his club according to a lad I know. Of course he was silly and did strike out with open hands more like a push off but it was quite hard and towards yer man's neck which is dangerous.
However, when you look at previous incidents like last year's Cork lads getting off its hard not to have some sympathy for him. Remember he might not get to another AI in his career. He should but ye never know and its not as if he swung with a closed fist to deck yer man.
I think the linesman reacted to the Boyle's dive and probably didn't see it as clearly as we did on tv so I think they should appeal it anyway and see can he get off.
Surely even McGuinness will admit he didnt connect with a punch and it should be rescinded
The CCCC won't revisit it themselves as the ref already dealt with it but an appeal could be successful I think.
Quote from: Hardy on August 29, 2011, 01:21:58 AM
Quote from: heffo on August 29, 2011, 01:02:06 AMThat was painful and anyone who found it fascinating needs their head read.
Anyone who didn't find it fascinating has no concept of the essence of sport.
I couldn't agree more - it might not have been pretty to watch, but from a tactical/technical viewpoint it was extraordinary, and almost unrecognisable as gaelic football, as we have previously known it.
Like a previous poster, as an ulsterman started out hoping for a donegal win, but by halftime hoped Dublin could beat them.
Maybe we should send them to New Zealand though as the Irish rugby team had more forward passes against England on Saturday.
Quote from: haveaharp on August 29, 2011, 12:45:50 AM
Quote from: Onlooker on August 29, 2011, 12:42:37 AM
Why did Des Cahill ask the panel why Donegal lost. We all know why they lost. It was because they could only score 6 points in 70 minutes football. That must have been the worst scoring return since teams were playing 21 or 17 a side.
I remember seeing Roscommon defeat Armagh in a league game on a bog around 1980 in the depths of winter. It finished 0-6 to 0-5 if i recall. At least they had an excuse.
There was a League semi-final played around 1999 / 2000 between Cork and Meath. It was on before Armagh v Dublin which ended a draw. I think the Cork Meath match finished something like 0-6 to 0-4.
Quote from: Billys Boots on August 29, 2011, 09:24:50 AM
Quote from: Hardy on August 29, 2011, 01:21:58 AM
Quote from: heffo on August 29, 2011, 01:02:06 AMThat was painful and anyone who found it fascinating needs their head read.
Anyone who didn't find it fascinating has no concept of the essence of sport.
I couldn't agree more - it might not have been pretty to watch, but from a tactical/technical viewpoint it was extraordinary, and almost unrecognisable as gaelic football, as we have previously known it.
It was, but do we want to progress towards that new vision of gaelic football. I'm firmly in the camp that it's up to each manager/coach to give his team the best chance of winning within the rules. If that's a defensive gameplan, then fair enough, it's up to the other team to beat them.
Now I'm happy Dublin did beat it, because I think that may have been the Rubicon and, had Donegal crossed it, we may well have had a spate of teams aping this. I don't want to see a plethora of games ending up 8-6, 7-4, 6-3 or whatever. We still may see that, and it's withing average team's gift to decide to be competitive that way, however the good teams will still be confident that they can overcome it, as Dublin did.
What disappointed me about Donegal was not that defensive set up, it was the way they went about their business. It was obvious they were operating outside the rules in terms of their behaviour after a stoppage. And that was under instruction, I'm sure of it. Colm McFadden held the ball for about 30 seconds there, with 3 or 4 Dubs trying to take it off him, until Deegan made him give the ball back for the free. Afterwards the camera panned on him and he actually looked sheepish about it.
So I did find it fascinating, but fascinating from a tactical context. I can see how people might be worried that the casual fan would be completely switched off.
Is that the first time that the winners in an AI semi-final couldn't score more times than the winners in a first division soccer match across the Irish Sea on the same weekend?
In the game that spawned the term 'puke football', Tyrone's score was just one point shy of the combined total of yesterday's scores (13-6 vs Kerry) - presumably puking Pat will have to coin a new term now, assuming he can interrupt his wretchings.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 29, 2011, 09:40:21 AM
Is that the first time that the winners in an AI semi-final couldn't score more times than the winners in a first division soccer match across the Irish Sea on the same weekend?
In the game that spawned the term 'puke football', Tyrone's score was just one point shy of the combined total of yesterday's scores (13-6 vs Kerry) - presumably puking Pat will have to coin a new term now, assuming he can interrupt his wretchings.
That was not the same football at all. This was Tyrone's approach elevated (or lowered) a couple of levels. Tyrone sat their half forwards back, and tried to turnover possession. They had McGuigan, Canavan, O'Neill and Mulligan waiting to do damage. Donegal literally had 14 men in their own half at times, with McFadden up on his ownio. They did try to attack by all breaking out together, which can be attractive to watch, but when they got tired they were completely toothless.
Agreed AZ, it was a different animal.
What happens next year?
Will McGuinness attempt more of the same or was that a failed experiment?
I suspect Donegal will attempt something similar next year again, but they may tweak it by leaving two or three up front instead of just one. You do need to score. I suspect he may continue with the physical conditioning, as I think Dublin wore them down yesterday a bit. In the first half Donegal were winning the physical battles, in the second Dublin were.
From Jimmy's perspective he'll be saying they were close, and they were. And if they had made the final Kerry would not relish facing them either.
So of I were him I'd be trying to up our scoring production just a little, and also trying to lift our physical fitness to the level of Dublin, Kildare etc. (I know they beat Kildare, but that was nick or nothing between them and Kildare were fairly banged up injury wise).
The one thing is that it should stop too many clones of Donegal, because it's not seen as the silver bullet. Tyrone's approach was seen in that light which is why we had Westmeath, Offaly (sadly) and a host of other teams doing the 'made in Taiwan' version.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 29, 2011, 09:55:42 AM
I suspect Donegal will attempt something similar next year again, but they may tweak it by leaving two or three up front instead of just one. You do need to score. I suspect he may continue with the physical conditioning, as I think Dublin wore them down yesterday a bit. In the first half Donegal were winning the physical battles, in the second Dublin were.
From Jimmy's perspective he'll be saying they were close, and they were. And if they had made the final Kerry would not relish facing them either.
So of I were him I'd be trying to up our scoring production just a little, and also trying to lift our physical fitness to the level of Dublin, Kildare etc. (I know they beat Kildare, but that was nick or nothing between them and Kildare were fairly banged up injury wise).
The one thing is that it should stop too many clones of Donegal, because it's not seen as the silver bullet. Tyrone's approach was seen in that light which is why we had Westmeath, Offaly (sadly) and a host of other teams doing the 'made in Taiwan' version.
I'm not sure I agree with that statement AZ but I do hope you're right. I just fear some sides (certainly club ones) will see Donegal making the last 4 as success and as a result plan a similar strategy. It did happen after Tyrone's breakthrough in 2003. But Tyrone broke forward quickly to counterattack once they had turned possession over and they had the class of Canavan, McGuigan, O'Neill etc to finish up front. Much more ability and ambition than Donegal. McGuinness talks about a much more offensive approach next season. I'm not sure he had the players to do that and continue this defence game he's devised. Nobody outside of Donegal could have enjoyed watching them this season and I wonder if even those Donegal supporters who watched the McHugh's and Tony and Manus Boyle etc play hard but tremendous football to win the '92 AI could genuinely admire this current set up. I'm glad the Dubs won for the sake of football and for the prospect of what should be a decent final.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 29, 2011, 09:55:42 AM
I suspect Donegal will attempt something similar next year again, but they may tweak it by leaving two or three up front instead of just one. You do need to score. I suspect he may continue with the physical conditioning, as I think Dublin wore them down yesterday a bit. In the first half Donegal were winning the physical battles, in the second Dublin were.
From Jimmy's perspective he'll be saying they were close, and they were. And if they had made the final Kerry would not relish facing them either.
So of I were him I'd be trying to up our scoring production just a little, and also trying to lift our physical fitness to the level of Dublin, Kildare etc. (I know they beat Kildare, but that was nick or nothing between them and Kildare were fairly banged up injury wise).
The one thing is that it should stop too many clones of Donegal, because it's not seen as the silver bullet. Tyrone's approach was seen in that light which is why we had Westmeath, Offaly (sadly) and a host of other teams doing the 'made in Taiwan' version.
My belief is that Donegal lost for three reasons only: (1) Dublin had better fitness/conditioning in the last ten-fifteen minutes, (2) Donegal had run out of energy in the middle third after 55-60 mins, and (3) Donegal were not far enough ahead at that watershed. The scary thing, for the hand-wringers, is that none of those three reasons has much to do with the footballing aspects of the game.
I think Donegal missed the boat with their approach this year. If they were going to win an AI using that approach it had to be this year. I think the players will find it hard to keep up the intensity required in training for another whole year. In addition everyone knows what they do and I'm sure every team they meet in ulster will be well up for the battle.
Congratulations to Dublin, must be great to be back in the final. I hope ye win it. Kerry being hot favourites will suit ye down to the ground.
Very tough on Connolly and I thought it was just a shove rather than a strike. I don't think it will be overturned on appeal though as technically he did strike the Donegal player.
I found yesterdays game enthralling and really enjoyed it. Defensive masterclass from both sides.
MOTM by miles was Frank McGlynn of donegal. Superb player and athlete. Unsung hero.
My pre game predictions more or less came true. Though Cluxton didnt end up top scorer.
I thought during the game that Dublns first three frees and points were not merited. the sunday game footage proved this to me. Some refs give them (obv) but I felt they were VERY fortuitous for Dublin.
This was championship football for what it really is folks. the championship football we all know from a young age. You are afraid to lose more than that you want to win. Donegal could have won it and threw it away. They didnt take the options they had to go forward that little bit more and possibly score. They faded and Dublin proved that they can live with the best and then take their chances when they present themselves. thats the mark of a great side.
Donegal did the cynical thing and the ref moved the ball up a few times for this. The feigning inj was done a few times too - young Boyle did what is becomming all too common in Gaelic football, Connolly should not have raised his paws at all and struck out at the Donegalman. Connolly after a few seasons of bad discipline had rectified this, but got caught out yesterday - prob due to frustration. While the letter of the law states it is a red card (and Rory Kavanagh deserved at least a yellow for his follow up) I reckon he may get this rescinded on appeal.
Karl Lacey going off turned the game against Donegal. But they had enough opportunities to drive on further for scores but kept turning back and retained posession instead.
The game they play, its all about choosing the right options at the right time. They declined a few too many. Seeing McFadden kick a pass outto the wing when 35-40 yards in front of goal an not too tightly marked baffled me. That was as clear a shoting chance as Iyou will see.
Fortune favours the brave they say.
Dublin were let off somewhat, but they had to be still there or thereabouts in order to take it in the end, and they did ! McMenamon the catalyst against the tiring donegal defence.
the amount of work that both managements have done to get their teams playing so well disciplined is unbelieveable.I'd not like to be starting out to try to implement that. Lets face it - both sides play a very defensive first game. Donegals is just more , way more, protracted and noticeable.
Donegal willcome back with this style again next year - maybe they will add a bit more attack to it, but this unfortunately could be the way forward for football. Other counties and clubs will be starting on this gameplan right now.
While I hope not, this is the reality. Ok to watch once in a while but not if it takes over in football. I think it may do. An antidote needs to be found asap !
you would hope that anyone who found donegal enthralling isnt coaching teams. otherwise we will never see the likes of colm cooper again. what we will have are cheats, divers and olympic handballers.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 29, 2011, 10:16:18 AM
I found yesterdays game enthralling and really enjoyed it. Defensive masterclass from both sides.
MOTM by miles was Frank McGlynn of donegal. Superb player and athlete. Unsung hero.
My pre game predictions more or less came true. Though Cluxton didnt end up top scorer.
I thought during the game that Dublns first three frees and points were not merited. the sunday game footage proved this to me. Some refs give them (obv) but I felt they were VERY fortuitous for Dublin.
This was championship football for what it really is folks. the championship football we all know from a young age. You are afraid to lose more than that you want to win. Donegal could have won it and threw it away. They didnt take the options they had to go forward that little bit more and possibly score. They faded and Dublin proved that they can live with the best and then take their chances when they present themselves. thats the mark of a great side.
Donegal did the cynical thing and the ref moved the ball up a few times for this. The feigning inj was done a few times too - young Boyle did what is becomming all too common in Gaelic football, Connolly should not have raised his paws at all and struck out at the Donegalman. Connolly after a few seasons of bad discipline had rectified this, but got caught out yesterday - prob due to frustration. While the letter of the law states it is a red card (and Rory Kavanagh deserved at least a yellow for his follow up) I reckon he may get this rescinded on appeal.
Karl Lacey going off turned the game against Donegal. But they had enough opportunities to drive on further for scores but kept turning back and retained posession instead.
The game they play, its all about choosing the right options at the right time. They declined a few too many. Seeing McFadden kick a pass outto the wing when 35-40 yards in front of goal an not too tightly marked baffled me. That was as clear a shoting chance as Iyou will see.
Fortune favours the brave they say.
Dublin were let off somewhat, but they had to be still there or thereabouts in order to take it in the end, and they did ! McMenamon the catalyst against the tiring donegal defence.
the amount of work that both managements have done to get their teams playing so well disciplined is unbelieveable.I'd not like to be starting out to try to implement that. Lets face it - both sides play a very defensive first game. Donegals is just more , way more, protracted and noticeable.
Donegal willcome back with this style again next year - maybe they will add a bit more attack to it, but this unfortunately could be the way forward for football. Other counties and clubs will be starting on this gameplan right now.
While I hope not, this is the reality. Ok to watch once in a while but not if it takes over in football. I think it may do. An antidote needs to be found asap !
Brilliant post LB, you are coming back to your best!
Quote from: INDIANA on August 29, 2011, 10:25:38 AM
you would hope that anyone who found donegal enthralling isnt coaching teams. otherwise we will never see the likes of colm cooper again. what we will have are cheats, divers and olympic handballers.
Exactly the point I was making.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 29, 2011, 10:25:38 AM
you would hope that anyone who found donegal enthralling isnt coaching teams. otherwise we will never see the likes of colm cooper again. what we will have are cheats, divers and olympic handballers.
well I have coached teams (just not this year). Have coached one to win the dublin minor championship and have a couple of lads on the Dublin senior panel now.
I've coached underage in Dublin and guest coached in Kildare and Derry.
In order to master your art (which I say I am a long way off from- by comparison to others on this thread let alone in the country) you need to know all aspects- good bad, what can be done and what not to do.
I found the defensive aspect very interesting , as in all (ball playing) sports, championship winning teams are built on solid defenses. Personally I prefer a balance and would not countenance a Donegal style system.
Just because I may have been rough and put a few in hospital in my own playing days doesnt mean I would ever coach that- I just wouldnt.
Its very naive Indy of you to suggest that just because someone finds something interesting , they dont have a clue.
In actual fact Irish society reflects this attitude. Sure if I pick up a paint brush or a trowel or a saw for 24 months - I'm a master painter/brickie/chippie - or where I have seen a lad with a couple of years supporting computers and a fw mcse's - well they think they are capable of becomming IT managers etc. You need to know as much as yer head can handle to know your art.
IMO.
What is wrong with the quest for knowlede and appreciation of this and understanding that you still know nothing in the greater scheme of things !
Quote from: tonesfirstandlast on August 29, 2011, 10:30:03 AM
Brilliant post LB, you are coming back to your best!
I havent gone away you know TFAL !!
Lynchbhoy is writin balax.
Quote from: ross matt on August 29, 2011, 10:10:48 AM
I just fear some sides (certainly club ones) will see Donegal making the last 4 as success and as a result plan a similar strategy.
They will if they're stupid and they'll soon find out it won't work unless you're extraordinarily fit - fitter than most club sides can achieve and fitter than Donegal were yesterday - and have fifteen good enough footballers to make VERY few mistakes in possession.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 29, 2011, 10:25:38 AM
you would hope that anyone who found donegal enthralling isnt coaching teams. otherwise we will never see the likes of colm cooper again.
Complete shite. The likes of Colm Cooper, who can operate in almost zero space, is exactly the type of player that's needed against a defence like Donegal's.
I must add that yesterday , wathing Donegal reminded me of AC milan in the 90's.
A system where they played the ball back and forward in their own 'backfield' and moved it from side to side to open up the opposition ,then when a bit of space or a chink of opportunity was spotted,they would go after this.
Donegal profited from doing this in the first half, but as the game wore on, they stopped going after these opportunities. Partially due to fatigue, but more so , I would say due to being 3 points ahead and 15 mins left and they went into retreat mode and the fear took over.
did McGuinness borrow his gameplan from soccer?
Well he had a lone striker up front !!
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 29, 2011, 10:38:58 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 29, 2011, 10:25:38 AM
you would hope that anyone who found donegal enthralling isnt coaching teams. otherwise we will never see the likes of colm cooper again. what we will have are cheats, divers and olympic handballers.
well I have coached teams (just not this year). Have coached one to win the dublin minor championship and have a couple of lads on the Dublin senior panel now.
I've coached underage in Dublin and guest coached in Kildare and Derry.
In order to master your art (which I say I am a long way off from- by comparison to others on this thread let alone in the country) you need to know all aspects- good bad, what can be done and what not to do.
I found the defensive aspect very interesting , as in all (ball playing) sports, championship winning teams are built on solid defenses. Personally I prefer a balance and would not countenance a Donegal style system.
Just because I may have been rough and put a few in hospital in my own playing days doesnt mean I would ever coach that- I just wouldnt.
Its very naive Indy of you to suggest that just because someone finds something interesting , they dont have a clue.
In actual fact Irish society reflects this attitude. Sure if I pick up a paint brush or a trowel or a saw for 24 months - I'm a master painter/brickie/chippie - or where I have seen a lad with a couple of years supporting computers and a fw mcse's - well they think they are capable of becomming IT managers etc. You need to know as much as yer head can handle to know your art.
IMO.
What is wrong with the quest for knowlede and appreciation of this and understanding that you still know nothing in the greater scheme of things !
there is no quest for knowledge for diving cheating and feigning injury. im a former defender and i found nothiing enthralling about yesterday. if i needed the help of 5 forwards to help me mark my man when i was playing i would have retired at 21.
the sheer skulduggery that when on yesterday is what i have a problem with.
Quote from: ONeill on August 29, 2011, 10:50:54 AM
Lynchbhoy is writin balax.
quite possibly. But its just my opinion.
Either way I enjoyed the game.
Just sorry to see the season is almost over again !
Very bizarre game.
1stly hard luck to Donegal and the Donegal posters here.
You couldn't have scripted a better way for us to win a semi final (bar sending off and injuries). Reckon the fillip the team will get in winning this way is huge.
Dublin fans I thought were immense and really got behind the team............helped alot by the chants of "Donegal Donegal" after the booing of the style of play in first half.
Roll on the 18th.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 29, 2011, 10:54:33 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 29, 2011, 10:50:54 AM
Lynchbhoy is writin balax.
quite possibly. But its just my opinion.
Either way I enjoyed the game.
Just sorry to see the season is almost over again !
Only codding, though I'd disagree that teams will start copying Donegal's style.
The season's only starting. The muck and stoor of November brings out the best in the likes of Loup, Crossmaglen and Carrickmore.
I had some harsh words to say about Donegals style of play after the Derry game, but that was probably more bitterness on my part. I think a lot of the criticism of Donegal and Jim McGuiness in the aftermath of yesterdays match is unwarranted. I do think it is dire to watch but agree with other posters that it is somewhat fascinating to see how teams go about tactically to play against "the system". Donegal management and players have obviously put in a hell of an amount of graft to get an ulster tittle and to an AI semi. If they devise a game plan that is within the rules of the game it is up to the opposition to counter it. It is the essence of all invasion sports. Fair play to Dublin they decided the best way to counter Donegals gameplan was to play them at their own game and it worked. I hope they go on and beat Kerry. Now I know that Donegal also conduct gamesmanship, or bending of the rules such as the cynical fouling etc, to implement their game plan but so to many other teams, albeit not to the same level. People are saying that the rules need to be looked at to stop Gaelic football turning into a bore fest, but I feel the rules are already there, that they are just not being applied properly or the punishments for breaches of the rules are not harsh enough. We all know that many teams commit cynical fouls to slow the game down or to stop an opposition attack. That forwards are told to share these fouls out, which can sometimes be one foul, another and you get a tick and then another and its a yellow card. That can be six forwards with 12 fouls and not even a card shown. I think if players were booked for any fouls were there was no attempt to tackle the ball, such as Jersey pulls from behind and pulling men down then these defensive systems would be harder to implement. Any breaches of the rules to slow the play down such as standing in front of free takers and throwing the ball away should always be a yellow card as well. Some players are still on the pitch after maybe committing half a dozen cynical fouls.
I actually think that these systems will bring the sport on as there will be alot more coaching of plays to break it down rather than just off the cuff football.
One of the only criticisms I would have of Jim on sunday is that he left M Murphy out the pitch the whole match. In other games he has done this and it has worked to some extent, but yesterday Murphy was stuck out the field where it was very congested just winning breakball and hand passing it off like any one of his other team mates could do. To get the best out of any team you use all the different individual attributes of your players, and Murphy has a few attributes that very few players possess and donegal didn't use them.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 29, 2011, 10:38:58 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 29, 2011, 10:25:38 AM
you would hope that anyone who found donegal enthralling isnt coaching teams. otherwise we will never see the likes of colm cooper again. what we will have are cheats, divers and olympic handballers.
Just because I may have been rough and put a few in hospital in my own playing days doesnt mean I would ever coach that- I just wouldnt.
Its very naive Indy of you to suggest that just because someone finds something interesting , they dont have a clue.
In actual fact Irish society reflects this attitude. Sure if I pick up a paint brush or a trowel or a saw for 24 months - I'm a master painter/brickie/chippie - or where I have seen a lad with a couple of years supporting computers and a fw mcse's - well they think they are capable of becomming IT managers etc. You need to know as much as yer head can handle to know your art.
IMO.
What is wrong with the quest for knowlede and appreciation of this and understanding that you still know nothing in the greater scheme of things !
Knowledge is power LB!
Quote from: INDIANA on August 29, 2011, 10:53:43 AM
there is no quest for knowledge for diving cheating and feigning injury. im a former defender and i found nothiing enthralling about yesterday. if i needed the help of 5 forwards to help me mark my man when i was playing i would have retired at 21.
the sheer skulduggery that when on yesterday is what i have a problem with.
I abhor diving and cheating, always did. In actual fact, if a ref didnt catch on to it when I was playing, I'd try to dish out my own brand of retribution. That was wrong also.
You say you were a former defender - as a former defender, did you ever pull a jersey, grab an arm, trip a lad up, block a mans run (third man tackle)?
If you didnt fair play to you -but you must have retired at u12 level.
To me (a former - rubbish- forward) all the above are aspects of cheating. They are fouls, but the refs usually dont give frees for them or dont see them as they are usually quite subtle or even off the ball.
These fouls have got worse with the trash talking, fingers up erses (take a bow mr walsh) , diving, stopping quick frees and the much maligned on here fouling 'cynicism'.
At what point do people object to 'skulduggery'.
Is it the pulling or dragging? Is it the diving or feigning inj? is it the cynical fouls? or is it the massed defence and soccer-eque formation that makes the game look dreadful but is actually more within the rules than the previous examples.
Dublin like most teams are adept at pulling, dragging and the occasional dive too.
Bernard Brogan I have to say is not a diver- was chatting to his oul lad after the last game and he told me that he was saying to BBjr that he could get more frees if he actually went to ground, but BBjr wouldnt do it.
Others in the dublin side are not as 'clean'.
If you think that Dublin are above fouling then yer stone mad. I would like a clean no fouls game myself, but thats cuckoo land. Its part of the game and every defender does it - though I'm waiting interestedly on your own response on whether you fouled as a defender or not !!
:D
Yes, yesterdays game intrigued me greatly and like all things ying and yang, you have to be able to take the bad games as much as you applaud the good games !
Quote from: ONeill on August 29, 2011, 10:59:06 AM
Only codding, though I'd disagree that teams will start copying Donegal's style.
The season's only starting. The muck and stoor of November brings out the best in the likes of Loup, Crossmaglen and Carrickmore.
Would worry that a lot of coaches would think - well we've sihte forwards but a great freetaker from distance - might give that oul donegal 1-13-1 formation a go....
Dromore- big tip for Tyrone again this season ! Apparantly flying again.
I could be as far out as Wicklow Head on this one but there seemed to be an abject demeanour to Martin McHugh in the pre game analysis on the BBC.
I know that he tipped Dublin to win which showed that his head did not rule his heart.
But there appeared to be more to this than simply using a judgement based on the gathering of facts and the rationale of probability.
He appeared very uncomfortable in even wanting to suggest that Donegal could win.
I am no psychologist but given his close connection to the Donegal team, it was as if he knew something that we didn't and it made him uneasy.
Maybe it will be left unsaid or maybe someone will break ranks, but reading between the lines I think Martin's message was that some or all the players would have liked the shackles to have been loosened a little so that they could play a bit of football.
As I said just a hunch.
With regard to Connolys dismissal, he was stupid to raise his hands and that will always leave you open to a red card. If you want to look at justice as opposed to law then Boyle deserved greater punishment than Connolly for his cheating behaviour. And if you want to apply rules rigidly then the reality is that most games would finish with only two goalkeepers on the field as almost all tackles are illegal if judged by the letter of the law.
As for Donegals style, if you wanted to develop the puke football analogy this was "bile football" bile being the disgusting acidic green/yellow liquid that comes up when you have nothing else left to puke. For me it was a horrible side effect of too much drink taken too quickly, something I havent seen for a fair few years and dont want to see again. That said, Jim McGuinness is ultimately charged with bringing success to Donegal football and an Ulster title in year one has to be considered success. I dont think he should be abused for it but I do hope he seeks to develop it with better attacking options rather than just repeat it.
Ultimately I think any system is only as good as the players implementing it. I dont think rule changes will be needed because there wont be mass cloning of an obviously flawed system (at the highest level)
It is interesting to see the comment about Donegals tactics being borrowed from soccer. Soccer has the offside rule and a ban on the back pass to the keeper as well as 3 point for a win to try and negate the impact of negative defensive tactics. What rules could be implemented in Gaelic football to do likewise if it was deemed necassary. Would 13 a side have reduced the effectiveness of Donegals style ? Limiting the number of consecutive handpasses anyone ? Putting electronic dog collars on forwards that administer a shock everytim ethey cross the half way line ?
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 29, 2011, 12:12:42 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 29, 2011, 10:53:43 AM
there is no quest for knowledge for diving cheating and feigning injury. im a former defender and i found nothiing enthralling about yesterday. if i needed the help of 5 forwards to help me mark my man when i was playing i would have retired at 21.
the sheer skulduggery that when on yesterday is what i have a problem with.
I abhor diving and cheating, always did. In actual fact, if a ref didnt catch on to it when I was playing, I'd try to dish out my own brand of retribution. That was wrong also.
You say you were a former defender - as a former defender, did you ever pull a jersey, grab an arm, trip a lad up, block a mans run (third man tackle)?
If you didnt fair play to you -but you must have retired at u12 level.
To me (a former - rubbish- forward) all the above are aspects of cheating. They are fouls, but the refs usually dont give frees for them or dont see them as they are usually quite subtle or even off the ball.
These fouls have got worse with the trash talking, fingers up erses (take a bow mr walsh) , diving, stopping quick frees and the much maligned on here fouling 'cynicism'.
At what point do people object to 'skulduggery'.
Is it the pulling or dragging? Is it the diving or feigning inj? is it the cynical fouls? or is it the massed defence and soccer-eque formation that makes the game look dreadful but is actually more within the rules than the previous examples.
Dublin like most teams are adept at pulling, dragging and the occasional dive too.
Bernard Brogan I have to say is not a diver- was chatting to his oul lad after the last game and he told me that he was saying to BBjr that he could get more frees if he actually went to ground, but BBjr wouldnt do it.
Others in the dublin side are not as 'clean'.
If you think that Dublin are above fouling then yer stone mad. I would like a clean no fouls game myself, but thats cuckoo land. Its part of the game and every defender does it - though I'm waiting interestedly on your own response on whether you fouled as a defender or not !!
:D
Yes, yesterdays game intrigued me greatly and like all things ying and yang, you have to be able to take the bad games as much as you applaud the good games !
Simple things like this need to be cleaned up -
1 - Deliberately staying within the 13 yards when frees are given should lead the ball being moved 35/40 yards forward rather than 13 and a yellow card.
2 - Refusing to give the ball back when frees are given should have the same result as above.
3 - Anyone diving like Boyle did feigning an injury when wasn't touched in the face should get a season's ban.
4 - Anyone claiming an elbow or shouting for people to be sent off and coming on the pitch from the sideline should get a 3 year ban.
5 - Deliberate tripping of people going through on goal should be a red card offence.
Some very interesting opinions on here today and whilst I hate to see the game move away from the fast attacking entertaining game that we still see occasionally, I can appreciate how some games can be an intriguing war of attrition and intense dour affairs.
However, I just feel every new "SYSTEM" seems to be moving away from the entertainment and freedom of expression style and moving more towards the "Stop them at ALL costs" styles.
One of the best memories of my life was Tyrone winning Sam in 2003. One of my worst was the NFL games that followed the years after. Teams with maybe not the same attacking options as we had would take the blanket defense, win at all costs attitude to another level.
Now of course its rich for us Tyronies, now sitting with our 3 Sams, to criticize teams like Donegal who want to devise their own system of play. Teams like the Kereys, Corks, Dublins etc with several AI titles find themselves on their high horses saying its better to lose with a bit of self respect and style than to win knowing that you've cheated or forced the other team to lose with terrible tactics. I tend to agree with them as I am now a fan of GAA and want to be entertained. I want Tyrone to win more Sams but to play great football doing so.
It greatly annoys me that players like Sean Cavanagh, Stephen O'Neill and even the Brogans and Gooch can't really apply their trade any more cos of what managers and their new systems are doing to stop them.
Benny Coulter mentioned it at the start of the year and no doubt a few others too.
Are we gonna see players like them, so capable of doing marvellous things on the pitch, lose interest in playing and so change sports to soccer, rugby or something else.
Whether or not we like to admit it, it seems to me that we are on a downward spiral where defense has become King. I'm sure we've saw extracts of it years ago where half forward drop back but it's gone now to a complete whole new level.
It reminds me of when I played in a very intense game of indoor soccer one time when I was very fit about 17. It was 4 a side and you could only score inside the semi circle. Every time we lost the ball, the 3 outfield players would retreat back into the semi circle and let them break us down in there. I hope to God GAA football will not be going in that direction.
To me one of the joys of being a GAA fan over other sports is the amount of scores in each game. The amount of one to one battles. How skill, speed and intelligence often does battle with strength, method and brute ignorance. Whilst guys like Spillane look through rose tinted glasses back to the 70's & 80's, you would have to be in denial if you don't admit that our game is changing a lot in the last few years and in my eyes changing for the worst.
Congrats Donegal on a huge turnaround in fortunes from last year to this, but I pray to God that ye don't follow this road and come back to playing something that resembles the beautiful game we love. In fairness Mickey Harte did move away from it after 2003 to some extent and the Dubs benefited greatly from that choice a few weeks ago.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 29, 2011, 12:12:42 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 29, 2011, 10:53:43 AM
there is no quest for knowledge for diving cheating and feigning injury. im a former defender and i found nothiing enthralling about yesterday. if i needed the help of 5 forwards to help me mark my man when i was playing i would have retired at 21.
the sheer skulduggery that when on yesterday is what i have a problem with.
I abhor diving and cheating, always did. In actual fact, if a ref didnt catch on to it when I was playing, I'd try to dish out my own brand of retribution. That was wrong also.
You say you were a former defender - as a former defender, did you ever pull a jersey, grab an arm, trip a lad up, block a mans run (third man tackle)?
If you didnt fair play to you -but you must have retired at u12 level.
To me (a former - rubbish- forward) all the above are aspects of cheating. They are fouls, but the refs usually dont give frees for them or dont see them as they are usually quite subtle or even off the ball.
These fouls have got worse with the trash talking, fingers up erses (take a bow mr walsh) , diving, stopping quick frees and the much maligned on here fouling 'cynicism'.
At what point do people object to 'skulduggery'.
Is it the pulling or dragging? Is it the diving or feigning inj? is it the cynical fouls? or is it the massed defence and soccer-eque formation that makes the game look dreadful but is actually more within the rules than the previous examples.
Dublin like most teams are adept at pulling, dragging and the occasional dive too.
Bernard Brogan I have to say is not a diver- was chatting to his oul lad after the last game and he told me that he was saying to BBjr that he could get more frees if he actually went to ground, but BBjr wouldnt do it.
Others in the dublin side are not as 'clean'.
If you think that Dublin are above fouling then yer stone mad. I would like a clean no fouls game myself, but thats cuckoo land. Its part of the game and every defender does it - though I'm waiting interestedly on your own response on whether you fouled as a defender or not !!
:D
Yes, yesterdays game intrigued me greatly and like all things ying and yang, you have to be able to take the bad games as much as you applaud the good games !
feigning injury to get a man sent off. the lowest of the low.
diving like many of the donegal players yesterday
a manager running onto the pitch to get another sent off
kicking a player in the head
another stamping on our best forward after 40sec to try to put him out of the game
do i have to go on?
if that qualifies as enthralling people need to get out more.
i played a hard game but i never indulged in that shite.its not being a hard ma either its pure cowardice.
factor in their rancid style of football and you have the complete package.
i think the donegal players will revolt eventually. dont anybody attempt to bracket tyrone as being donegal lite. tyrone played football donegal dont.
the bottom line is mc guinness never believed he could win that game yesterdayand set it accordingly. he was shown up to be an average coach with no plan b. the hilarious thing was watching donegal two points down and playing one man up front.
Quote from: winghalfun on August 29, 2011, 12:26:37 PM
I could be as far out as Wicklow Head on this one but there seemed to be an abject demeanour to Martin McHugh in the pre game analysis on the BBC.
I know that he tipped Dublin to win which showed that his head did not rule his heart.
But there appeared to be more to this than simply using a judgement based on the gathering of facts and the rationale of probability.
He appeared very uncomfortable in even wanting to suggest that Donegal could win.
I am no psychologist but given his close connection to the Donegal team, it was as if he knew something that we didn't and it made him uneasy.
Maybe it will be left unsaid or maybe someone will break ranks, but reading between the lines I think Martin's message was that some or all the players would have liked the shackles to have been loosened a little so that they could play a bit of football.
As I said just a hunch.
Mchugh tipped Donegal to lose all there games this season in the media, he isnt to be taken seriously in this regard as its clearly not his true view and a sad attempt at dampening expectation.
Can someone tell me how using 1-13-1 formation and attacking on the break is somehow tactically brilliant? Donegal play the running game again, nothing genuis there. They just compiled all the negative tactics of gaelic football and used it in abundance yday. The only thing thats unusual is that Donegal didnt use any of the positive aspects at all. Usually teams implement both. It nearly worked as Donegal did soak up alot stupid play form Dublin until it opened up.
Quote from: Tyrones own on August 29, 2011, 05:37:07 AM
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 29, 2011, 12:09:11 AM
Firstly delighted Dublin won but it's only fair to point out it was quite a cynical foul on Karl Lacey that was in fact game changing....
Yes but can I also point out that if Donegal hadn't taken Johney Doyle out of the game in the first few minutes of the 1/4 final, they wouldn't have been contesting for a place in the final.
In other words, what goes around comes around!
Utter fuckin' shite. Doyle was injured in an accidental collision... with Michael Hegarty, about the least dirty player around.
So was Lacey whom might I add, I have a serious time for but I'll repeat it, what goes around comes around... a fit John Doyle for the full 70 mins
would have had ye out the gate!
So now you're saying Doyle WASN'T intentionally injured???
Disregarding the fact that no forward has prospered against Donegal this year, the obvious reply is that if we'd a fit Murphy that day, we might have won in 70 mins! Ifs and buts.
Was on the Hill yesterday. First time I've ever heard a team boo'd in general play as Donegal were. That game was the worst game of football I've ever been at in 30 years of following Dublin.
Donegal's approach was a disgrace to football and a disgrace to themselves. The defensive system was negative enough but the cynical stuff that went on particularly in the second half as Donegal tried to slow the game down and wind up the Dublin players was utterly disgusting. As much as McGuinness is responsible for their style of play the players theemselves decided to carry on the way they did.
Was thrilled with getting to the final but game yesterday left very sour taste. If there's any justice at all Connolly will have his red card rescinded. Hope Flynn and O'Carroll ok too. Final will be proper game with best footballing team to win! Thank God Donegal are not there!
Hope to God I never have to witnes c*p like that gain on a football pitch!!!!
Indiana no Dublin player was kicked in the head (I'm presuming you're referring to O'Carroll).
He took a shin around his collarbone area as the Donegal lad ran in to tackle him.
There was no kicking action so you can cross that off your list of outrages.
Lads that are kicked in the head generally don't get up and play on for another few minutes.
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on August 29, 2011, 02:00:03 PM
Was on the Hill yesterday. First time I've ever heard a team boo'd in general play as Donegal were. That game was the worst game of football I've ever been at in 30 years of following Dublin.
Donegal's approach was a disgrace to football and a disgrace to themselves. The defensive system was negative enough but the cynical stuff that went on particularly in the second half as Donegal tried to slow the game down and wind up the Dublin players was utterly disgusting. As much as McGuinness is responsible for their style of play the players theemselves decided to carry on the way they did.
Was thrilled with getting to the final but game yesterday left very sour taste. If there's any justice at all Connolly will have his red card rescinded. Hope Flynn and O'Carroll ok too. Final will be proper game with best footballing team to win! Thank God Donegal are not there!
Hope to God I never have to witnes c*p like that gain on a football pitch!!!!
???
Do you even think it was a foul?
The ref was 100% right to put him off.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 29, 2011, 02:03:01 PM
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on August 29, 2011, 02:00:03 PM
Was on the Hill yesterday. First time I've ever heard a team boo'd in general play as Donegal were. That game was the worst game of football I've ever been at in 30 years of following Dublin.
Donegal's approach was a disgrace to football and a disgrace to themselves. The defensive system was negative enough but the cynical stuff that went on particularly in the second half as Donegal tried to slow the game down and wind up the Dublin players was utterly disgusting. As much as McGuinness is responsible for their style of play the players theemselves decided to carry on the way they did.
Was thrilled with getting to the final but game yesterday left very sour taste. If there's any justice at all Connolly will have his red card rescinded. Hope Flynn and O'Carroll ok too. Final will be proper game with best footballing team to win! Thank God Donegal are not there!
Hope to God I never have to witnes c*p like that gain on a football pitch!!!!
???
Do you even think it was a foul?
The ref was 100% right to put him off.
You're correct. He should miss the final.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 29, 2011, 02:01:41 PM
Indiana no Dublin player was kicked in the head (I'm presuming you're referring to O'Carroll).
He took a shin around his collarbone area as the Donegal lad ran in to tackle him.
There was no kicking action so you can cross that off your list of outrages.
Lads that are kicked in the head generally don't get up and play on for another few minutes.
peter canavan managed to play on in 1996 all ireland semi so you are completely wrong there. he was very nearly concussed jinxy and thats directly from the dublin medical staff. its like a casualty ward. flynn and o carroll are doubtful for the final. factor in connollys abscence and its looking like kerrys to lose.
He pushed Boyle in the neck having had 3 Donegal players come at him after he won the free. Boyle dives to the ground holding his face. Ref who was beside incident takes direction from linesan 20 yds away to send him off. Youd' be happy with that if it were M*ath player would you?
Connolly raised his hands so is in trouble going by letter of the law. If there's any 'justice' he will not miss an AIF for that.
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Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 29, 2011, 10:54:33 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 29, 2011, 10:50:54 AM
Lynchbhoy is writin balax.
quite possibly. But its just my opinion.
Either way I enjoyed the game.
Just sorry to see the season is almost over again !
Only codding, though I'd disagree that teams will start copying Donegal's style.
The season's only starting. The muck and stoor of November brings out the best in the likes of Loup, Crossmaglen and Carrickmore.
Jesus dont remind me--the antidote for all insomnia sufferers
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on August 29, 2011, 02:20:42 PM
He pushed Boyle in the neck having had 3 Donegal players come at him after he won the free. Boyle dives to the ground holding his face. Ref who was beside incident takes direction from linesan 20 yds away to send him off. Youd' be happy with that if it were M*ath player would you?
Connolly raised his hands so is in trouble going by letter of the law. If there's any 'justice' he will not miss an AIF for that.
Have you even looked at the incident? There is a clear "push / strike / punch" to the face.
Harmless admittedly but its a red card offence.
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 29, 2011, 12:34:14 PM
Simple things like this need to be cleaned up -
1 - Deliberately staying within the 13 yards when frees are given should lead the ball being moved 35/40 yards forward rather than 13 and a yellow card.
2 - Refusing to give the ball back when frees are given should have the same result as above.
3 - Anyone diving like Boyle did feigning an injury when wasn't touched in the face should get a season's ban.
4 - Anyone claiming an elbow or shouting for people to be sent off and coming on the pitch from the sideline should get a 3 year ban.
5 - Deliberate tripping of people going through on goal should be a red card offence.
the rules already cater for points 1 & 2 - and indeed the ref was incorrect when he brought the ball up a second time for Dublin when they didnt get out of the way quickly enough. The penalty there is a yellow card.
The points 3, 4 &5 are part of the debate we had this last few weeks on cynical fouling etc and the refs not applying the proper laws of the game in the actual match.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRaI1PDU2xw
Incident begins about 13 seconds in. Its a red card.
Don't know what game you were watching - he didn't touch his face. Pushed his hands into Boyle's neck.
Hurling will never be destroyed by smothering. The problem with fuball is that anyone can play it. You don't even need to be able to kick points these days.
Quote from: Tyrones own on August 29, 2011, 05:41:07 AM
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Very disappointed we didn't win the game, but Dublin were that bit fitter than us and took advantage in the last fifteen when we were out on our feet and starting to make a lot of mistakes. You have to admire the way Dublin kept at it and kept their composure when nothing was working for them earlier in the game and we were looking the much more likely winners (would like to see them win it now). Losing Lacey and McFadden's goal chance were the big turning points for us, but Dublin lost important players too. Their subs worked though and ours didn't. Once they got ahead, I knew it was over as we just didn't look to have the energy or leadership in Lacey's absence to create any openings. No complaints though. We've had a great year, given the depths we plummeted in Crossmaglen. Whether we can develop more of an attacking threat in the future remains to be seen. We certainly have one top class forward to build around, but we can't keep sacrificing him for our midfield weaknesses. Whatever happens, I hope McGuinness continues to have the courage of his convictions. If people are that worried about the 'future of our game' then change the fuckin' rules.
Face it J, and speaking for almost everyone outside of Donegal...Ye were utter shite and thon dismal display deserved that result !
Don't think we were dismal... just not good enough. I fully accept and understand your distaste for the defensive nature of Donegal's play but that's just aesthetics (although I do wonder where the line of acceptability lies amidst all the media hysteria... was Dublin's version ok? Tyrone's or Armagh's when they invented it? Would it have been ok if Donegal threw more men forward like they did against Derry?) Of course I would never try to defend something like Boyle apparently going to ground Rivaldo-style. Cheats should be punished, and severely, but rarely are as the tv cameras only pick up a tiny minority of transgressions.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 29, 2011, 02:19:12 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 29, 2011, 02:01:41 PM
Indiana no Dublin player was kicked in the head (I'm presuming you're referring to O'Carroll).
He took a shin around his collarbone area as the Donegal lad ran in to tackle him.
There was no kicking action so you can cross that off your list of outrages.
Lads that are kicked in the head generally don't get up and play on for another few minutes.
peter canavan managed to play on in 1996 all ireland semi so you are completely wrong there. he was very nearly concussed jinxy and thats directly from the dublin medical staff. its like a casualty ward. flynn and o carroll are doubtful for the final. factor in connollys abscence and its looking like kerrys to lose.
Peter Canavan wasn't kicked in the head either though.
In fact, he wasn't even fouled.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on August 29, 2011, 02:42:06 PM
Have you even looked at the incident? There is a clear "push / strike / punch" to the face.
Harmless admittedly but its a red card offence.
I have seen it & I can tell you he never touched his face. Shoulder yes, face no.
It can't be that clear if you can't decide beteween shove/strike/punch & admit it was harmless. Boyle's playacting far more disgraceful
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on August 29, 2011, 02:47:18 PM
Don't know what game you were watching - he didn't touch his face. Pushed his hands into Boyle's neck.
Is his fist open or closed?
Quote from: INDIANA on August 29, 2011, 01:21:35 PM
feigning injury to get a man sent off. the lowest of the low.
diving like many of the donegal players yesterday
a manager running onto the pitch to get another sent off
kicking a player in the head
another stamping on our best forward after 40sec to try to put him out of the game
do i have to go on?
if that qualifies as enthralling people need to get out more.
i played a hard game but i never indulged in that shite.its not being a hard ma either its pure cowardice.
factor in their rancid style of football and you have the complete package.
i think the donegal players will revolt eventually. dont anybody attempt to bracket tyrone as being donegal lite. tyrone played football donegal dont.
the bottom line is mc guinness never believed he could win that game yesterdayand set it accordingly. he was shown up to be an average coach with no plan b. the hilarious thing was watching donegal two points down and playing one man up front.
Indy - you didnt asnwer the question - did you foul (pull , push etc)?
Also what you have described above apart from maybe the Manager trying to get someone sent off- well Dublin have been as guilty in the past of the same thing.
I take it you were equally as disgusted when Dublin did it then?
Certainly I dont like when my own team do it and I dont condone that kind of play.
I think you are incorrect when you think McGuinness thought he couldnt win yesterday. They (Donegal) possibly should have even with the lack of attacks attempted, they had the best chances to score and as mentioned earlier, the first three of Dublins scored frees were in all honesty were more dubious than the last one awarded to beat kildare !!
The Donegal style is not lovely flowing football. It is effective. It is not 'ilegal' though.
Those without sin cast the first stone etc etc. Dublin and almost every other county in the country except Carlow perhaps, are guilty of some degree of persistent fouling or foul play/tactics.
Dublin should be happy they got out of this by the skin of their teeth. It was a fantastic victory and imo sets them up to win the AIF (barring severe berves fecking them up).
I'll make it quite simple.
If Connolly kicked Boyle in the stomach and Boyle went down holding his face, Connolly should still be sent off.
The dive happens after the offence.
The fact that Connolly struck close enough to Boyles head/neck that he could get away with going down holding his face tells you everything you need to know about his head for the big occasion.
He seriously let his team down.
15 seconds into the video Connolly strikes Boyle with a closed fist to his chin with relatively little force. He then delivers a similar blow to Boyle's shoulder. Boyle then falls down in a completely exaggerated manner to try to get Connolly sent off.
Proper sanctions - Red card to Connolly, Yellow card to Boyle.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on August 29, 2011, 02:46:46 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRaI1PDU2xw
Incident begins about 13 seconds in. Its a red card.
FFS he pushed him in the shoulder with his fists closed and the Donegal player paused and then hit the deck clutching his face. What a cheat. In a game that was foul ridden that was a yellow card at best and both of them should have got one.
Quote from: dublin7 on August 29, 2011, 02:50:56 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on August 29, 2011, 02:42:06 PM
Have you even looked at the incident? There is a clear "push / strike / punch" to the face.
Harmless admittedly but its a red card offence.
I have seen it & I can tell you he never touched his face. Shoulder yes, face no.
It can't be that clear if you can't decide beteween shove/strike/punch & admit it was harmless. Boyle's playacting far more disgraceful
He did you a favour.
Connolly is capable of doing something just as stupid in an All Ireland final.
He can't be trusted in a big game.
Quote from: ross matt on August 29, 2011, 03:01:19 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on August 29, 2011, 02:46:46 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRaI1PDU2xw
Incident begins about 13 seconds in. Its a red card.
FFS he pushed him in the shoulder with his fists closed and the Donegal player paused and then hit the deck clutching his face. What a cheat. In a game that was foul ridden that was a yellow card at best and both of them should have got one.
That's the second of two action from Connolly. The first one is a closed fist to the face. Red card.
QuoteFFS he pushed him in the shoulder with his fists closed and the Donegal player paused and then hit the deck clutching his face. What a cheat. In a game that was foul ridden that was a yellow card at best and both of them should have got one.
The only diving Boyle will do now is in a pub in Muff.
It is clear to see Connolly struck . . . the degree of force is debatable and Boyle's dive was scandallous but Connolly deserved to go just for being stupid enough to raise his hands.
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r63/loopyglock/ConnollyRed.jpg)
As for the holier than thou attitude of the Dubs and how they play beautifully and don't goad players or dive or do anything untoward all I have to say is . . . PAUL CASEY!!
Whatever about all those things being wrong and the fact they shouldn't happen every successful team has at least one player who is masterful in the dark arts and the Dubs are no different!!
Connolly and Dublin should appeal, defo dive, so slapstick I laughed at the time.
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Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on August 29, 2011, 02:46:46 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRaI1PDU2xw
Incident begins about 13 seconds in. Its a red card.
FFS he pushed him in the shoulder with his fists closed and the Donegal player paused and then hit the deck clutching his face. What a cheat. In a game that was foul ridden that was a yellow card at best and both of them should have got one.
That's the second of two action from Connolly. The first one is a closed fist to the face. Red card.
Boyle comes running in from out of play to shoulder charge Connolly after free was given (should be a yellow card), both players push each other in the neck face area, Connolly pushes back in the shoulder area and Boyle collapses as if punched in the face by Tyson, Donegal No8 comes in from outside of play to shove Connolly in face.......If Connolly was a red then both Boyle and the No8 should have gone also as well....
Quote from: screenexile on August 29, 2011, 03:08:30 PM
It is clear to see Connolly struck . . . the degree of force is debatable and Boyle's dive was scandallous but Connolly deserved to go just for being stupid enough to raise his hands.
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r63/loopyglock/ConnollyRed.jpg)
As for the holier than thou attitude of the Dubs and how they play beautifully and don't goad players or dive or do anything untoward all I have to say is . . . PAUL CASEY!!
Whatever about all those things being wrong and the fact they shouldn't happen every successful team has at least one player who is masterful in the dark arts and the Dubs are no different!!
Screen - A fraction of a 2nd earlier and you see Boyle make contact with Connollys face also so no doubt you think he should have gone??? 3 seconds later the Donegal No8 charges in and also shoves Connolly in the face so no doubt he should have got sent off then??
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Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on August 29, 2011, 02:46:46 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRaI1PDU2xw
Incident begins about 13 seconds in. Its a red card.
FFS he pushed him in the shoulder with his fists closed and the Donegal player paused and then hit the deck clutching his face. What a cheat. In a game that was foul ridden that was a yellow card at best and both of them should have got one.
That's the second of two action from Connolly. The first one is a closed fist to the face. Red card.
Boyle comes running in from out of play to shoulder charge Connolly after free was given (should be a yellow card), both players push each other in the neck face area, Connolly pushes back in the shoulder area and Boyle collapses as if punched in the face by Tyson, Donegal No8 comes in from outside of play to shove Connolly in face.......If Connolly was a red then both Boyle and the No8 should have gone also as well....
Forget about all the other surrounding incidents.
Just look at that still picture above and answer this question with one word.
Did Connolly commit a red card offence?
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Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on August 29, 2011, 02:46:46 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRaI1PDU2xw
Incident begins about 13 seconds in. Its a red card.
FFS he pushed him in the shoulder with his fists closed and the Donegal player paused and then hit the deck clutching his face. What a cheat. In a game that was foul ridden that was a yellow card at best and both of them should have got one.
That's the second of two action from Connolly. The first one is a closed fist to the face. Red card.
Boyle comes running in from out of play to shoulder charge Connolly after free was given (should be a yellow card), both players push each other in the neck face area, Connolly pushes back in the shoulder area and Boyle collapses as if punched in the face by Tyson, Donegal No8 comes in from outside of play to shove Connolly in face.......If Connolly was a red then both Boyle and the No8 should have gone also as well....
Just look at that still picture above and answer this question with one word.
Did Connolly commit a red card offence?
No. It's not a strike.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 29, 2011, 03:12:41 PM
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Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on August 29, 2011, 03:03:21 PM
Quote from: ross matt on August 29, 2011, 03:01:19 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on August 29, 2011, 02:46:46 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRaI1PDU2xw
Incident begins about 13 seconds in. Its a red card.
FFS he pushed him in the shoulder with his fists closed and the Donegal player paused and then hit the deck clutching his face. What a cheat. In a game that was foul ridden that was a yellow card at best and both of them should have got one.
That's the second of two action from Connolly. The first one is a closed fist to the face. Red card.
Boyle comes running in from out of play to shoulder charge Connolly after free was given (should be a yellow card), both players push each other in the neck face area, Connolly pushes back in the shoulder area and Boyle collapses as if punched in the face by Tyson, Donegal No8 comes in from outside of play to shove Connolly in face.......If Connolly was a red then both Boyle and the No8 should have gone also as well....
Forget about all the other surrounding incidents.
Just look at that still picture above and answer this question with one word.
Did Connolly commit a red card offence?
It was a push not a strike and if we give a red card for every contact with the head in the game it will be a 5 a side game.....
Do you think the other 2 Donegal players involved should have got red cards and if not why not?
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 29, 2011, 03:10:09 PM
Boyle comes running in from out of play to shoulder charge Connolly after free was given (should be a yellow card), both players push each other in the neck face area, Connolly pushes back in the shoulder area and Boyle collapses as if punched in the face by Tyson, Donegal No8 comes in from outside of play to shove Connolly in face.......If Connolly was a red then both Boyle and the No8 should have gone also as well....
I'd like to see the rules amended so that diving is a red card offence.
Connolly def was guilty of a 'striking action' - no matter how harmless (sorry Heff !!)
I think that the rules also cater for the 'third man in' to an incident - cant rem if it is a yellow or a red card award though.
Rory Kavanagh deserved to get at least a yellow.
I'd have sent boyle off if I was reffing and then got banned for life as a ref, but diving drives me nuts.
However Dublin and most other counties have been guilty of this in the past.
No point in us all being hypocrites.
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Quote from: ross matt on August 29, 2011, 03:01:19 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on August 29, 2011, 02:46:46 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRaI1PDU2xw
Incident begins about 13 seconds in. Its a red card.
FFS he pushed him in the shoulder with his fists closed and the Donegal player paused and then hit the deck clutching his face. What a cheat. In a game that was foul ridden that was a yellow card at best and both of them should have got one.
That's the second of two action from Connolly. The first one is a closed fist to the face. Red card.
Boyle comes running in from out of play to shoulder charge Connolly after free was given (should be a yellow card), both players push each other in the neck face area, Connolly pushes back in the shoulder area and Boyle collapses as if punched in the face by Tyson, Donegal No8 comes in from outside of play to shove Connolly in face.......If Connolly was a red then both Boyle and the No8 should have gone also as well....
Just look at that still picture above and answer this question with one word.
Did Connolly commit a red card offence?
No. It's not a strike.
So he's pushing yer mans face with his fist then?
Quote from: Jinxy on August 29, 2011, 03:22:25 PM
So he's pushing yer mans face with his fist then?
That's what I'd call it, Jinxy. But at what acceleration does a push become a strike, who defines that and who measures it? Grey area - down to interpretation. My interpretation is that it was about the harshest sending off I've seen this year. Compare it to Whelan on Crawford a few years ago, for instance. And yes, Connolly shouldn't have done it, but lads are pushing each other around the head/neck/shoulders all the time and never get done for it.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 29, 2011, 03:20:02 PM
I'd like to see the rules amended so that diving is a red card offence.
It's already a yellow card offence, but I don't think I've ever seen that applied, so what chance is there that refs would wave the red cad if that was the penalty? One of the biggest problems in the game, that remains unrecognised, never mind addressed, is the refusal of referees to apply the rules as written.
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Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on August 29, 2011, 02:46:46 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRaI1PDU2xw
Incident begins about 13 seconds in. Its a red card.
FFS he pushed him in the shoulder with his fists closed and the Donegal player paused and then hit the deck clutching his face. What a cheat. In a game that was foul ridden that was a yellow card at best and both of them should have got one.
That's the second of two action from Connolly. The first one is a closed fist to the face. Red card.
Boyle comes running in from out of play to shoulder charge Connolly after free was given (should be a yellow card), both players push each other in the neck face area, Connolly pushes back in the shoulder area and Boyle collapses as if punched in the face by Tyson, Donegal No8 comes in from outside of play to shove Connolly in face.......If Connolly was a red then both Boyle and the No8 should have gone also as well....
Just look at that still picture above and answer this question with one word.
Did Connolly commit a red card offence?
No. It's not a strike.
So he's pushing yer mans face with his fist then?
Yes.
If you're going to push someone, make sure your fingers are nicely splayed so everyone can see it's not a strike.
I have pushed, and occasionally punched, opposition players on a number of occasions.
I have never 'punshed' anyone however.
For all the dub posters complaining about the red card, I feel sympathy for connolly and dublin, him missing the final for a silly incident, mainly due to the donegal player winding him up first. But he has to take responsiblity for his actions and he was stupid to put his hands anywhere near the face. It was a red card, but the punishment of missing an AI final is harsh. Jinxy and screen exile are clearly holding up the colour black but you are swearing blind it is white! Please for the love of God except that the referee was correct in issuing the red card. If he didnt you would all be on here today saying he was lucky to stay on.
Quote from: Hardy on August 29, 2011, 03:28:41 PM
It's already a yellow card offence, but I don't think I've ever seen that applied, so what chance is there that refs would wave the red cad if that was the penalty? One of the biggest problems in the game, that remains unrecognised, never mind addressed, is the refusal of referees to apply the rules as written.
yep. Look at the furore above from 'disgruntled' 'consumers'.
A game that isnt hollywood sends them all crazy with anger.
I have writen on the board a few times that whenever a ref does adhere to the rules, the stop/start game has everyone giving out about the official killing the flow and momentum and killing it as a spectacle.
Its the only way to get rid of cynical fouling and eradicate diving etc - apply the rules fully and properly.
I reffed once and I didnt, I let the gme flwo and allowed lads to hit and hit hard.
However there was no cynical fouling (lucky to be able to run in Div 10) and it wasnt a problem.
But the proper interpretation is what is required.
Both Dublin and Donegal would have had multiple men possibly red carded yesterday if this was the case. But then it would have been that the ref 'ruined the game as a spectacle ' !!
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Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on August 29, 2011, 02:46:46 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRaI1PDU2xw
Incident begins about 13 seconds in. Its a red card.
FFS he pushed him in the shoulder with his fists closed and the Donegal player paused and then hit the deck clutching his face. What a cheat. In a game that was foul ridden that was a yellow card at best and both of them should have got one.
That's the second of two action from Connolly. The first one is a closed fist to the face. Red card.
Boyle comes running in from out of play to shoulder charge Connolly after free was given (should be a yellow card), both players push each other in the neck face area, Connolly pushes back in the shoulder area and Boyle collapses as if punched in the face by Tyson, Donegal No8 comes in from outside of play to shove Connolly in face.......If Connolly was a red then both Boyle and the No8 should have gone also as well....
Just look at that still picture above and answer this question with one word.
Did Connolly commit a red card offence?
No. It's not a strike.
So he's pushing yer mans face with his fist then?
Yes.
Ah I see.
Wrap it up lads, nothing to see here. :D
saw the Donegal team bus leaving croke park yesterday, 14 players sitting down the back and one up front.
I feel a certain amount of sympathy for Connolly but he was responsible for his own demise. The rules are very clear, once he raised a closed fist there was always the possibility of a red card. The hypocrisy of the Dublin fans is amusing though. One of their own was every bit as guilty of feigning injury to the face and I dont hear the calls for his head.
The rules are the major problem here.
If the rules treat every contact the same, and don't allow the referee to differentiate between the purpose, aggression, context (provocation involved) and outcome of the contact, then it's basically an open door for cheats to exploit.
Players getting involved in macho argy bargy after a debatable free, or pumping chests when play stops after highly charged piece of action, is as much a part of the game as full length blocks and square on shoulder charges. It's called passion. The rules (or the current intepretation of them) have though moved the advantage towards the snidey, calculating cheats who provoke a reaction, then turn it into an international incident.
I've an old school take on these minor encounters that happen in every game of football. If you decide to get involved in one of these acts of manliness, you must behave like a man, and you should have no recourse if you are violently removed from it.
I'm not advocating violence by the way. I'm advocating that referees shouldn't arbitrate on minor squabbles between willing combatants. This simple change of tack would encourage the cheats and lowlifes away from turning games into farces.
Don't come on here much lately lads but anyone that genuinely believes a lad should be sent off and miss an all ireland final for what connolly did either has never played football, watches too much soccer or has a severe dislike for the dubs. Bloody hand bags, which was very similarly perpetrated by the 2 Donegal players in the same incident. Imagine if the ref had to do the 'right thing' and sent all 3 off!! its a mans game for f sake. And obviously for fairness I hope every subsequent similar incident to this is dealt with in the same way!!! And and of course it would be great to see the lads so adamantly backing the referees decision here because he was right showing a bit of balance and maybe querying the decision not to send the 2 Donegal lads off.
Quote from: North Longford on August 29, 2011, 06:04:39 PM
Don't come on here much lately lads but anyone that genuinely believes a lad should be sent off and miss an all ireland final for what connolly did either has never played football, watches too much soccer or has a severe dislike for the dubs. Bloody hand bags, which was very similarly perpetrated by the 2 Donegal players in the same incident. Imagine if the ref had to do the 'right thing' and sent all 3 off!! its a mans game for f sake. And obviously for fairness I hope every subsequent similar incident to this is dealt with in the same way!!! And and of course it would be great to see the lads so adamantly backing the referees decision here because he was right showing a bit of balance and maybe querying the decision not to send the 2 Donegal lads off.
I've absolutely no problem with the Dubs and I've played the game and given and taken my fair share of belts.
The fact that he might miss an All Ireland final is neither here nor there to be honest.
It was a sending-off offense.
I wish the ref had sent off the entire Donegal team so I didn't have to look at them, but that doesn't change the fact that Connolly deservedly got the line.
It seems that people are so disgusted by Donegals gameplan and antics in general, that it is colouring their perspective.
If he did the exact same thing to one of the Kerry defenders I doubt there would be as much outrage on his behalf.
Why was it a sending off and the 2 Donegal lads not?
Quote from: North Longford on August 29, 2011, 06:18:55 PM
Why was it a sending off and the 2 Donegal lads not?
I don't think people are saying that though. The reality is the man lifted his hand and struck, with whatever force he used, the opposing player in the face. Given the context of the game, there was always going to be a red card at some stage. I figured it actually would have been for 2 yellows because it wasn't an overly nasty game, cynical yes, but not nasty. I would have had one of the Magees as prime candidates for 2 yellows sending off for dry riding one of the Brogans all day. Connolly was unlucky in many ways but by the letter of the law had to go, as should at least 1 of the Donegal lads.
I think he will win it on appeal and I hope he does but you have to have some degree of sympathy fo a ref having to deal with such a game, he was always going to make a few mistakes. The swarm defence has countless examples of "half fouls" that are very much touch and go. I actually think Donegal really missed the boat in this one. They had Dublin beatenand should have gone on a "full court press" for the first 10 minutes of the second half with Murphy and McFadden as a double tag team in the FF line. They could still have swarmed 12 men behind the ball when needed but of they had another body with McFadden they would have scored at least 2 mpre scores I reckon and that would have finished the Dubs. The crowd were turning, the first score of the half went Donegal's way, there was no real leadership being shown by the Dublin "stars". They could have gone into a 7-8 point lead and soaked up for the last 25 minutes but they didn't show enough ambition. The periods before and after half time and in the last 3-4 minutes are the best times to score but Donegal didn't avail enough of those times. I don't think they will be back next year at this level.
Quote from: North Longford on August 29, 2011, 06:18:55 PM
Why was it a sending off and the 2 Donegal lads not?
Is that a rhetorical question?
Jasus Jinxy you are some joker. If that was a red card the "great" meath teams would have finished every game with 10 men. I bet you any money if the ref had slow motion replay of the incident he never would have sent connolly off. I also agree 100% with Indiana. Donegals football was putrid (of course they can play putrid football if they want) and their repeat cynical fouling disgusting. The rules need changing to prevent this getting any worse or the popularity of football will diminish severely
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Quote from: North Longford on August 29, 2011, 06:18:55 PM
Why was it a sending off and the 2 Donegal lads not?
I don't think people are saying that though. The reality is the man lifted his hand and struck, with whatever force he used, the opposing player in the face. Given the context of the game, there was always going to be a red card at some stage. I figured it actually would have been for 2 yellows because it wasn't an overly nasty game, cynical yes, but not nasty. I would have had one of the Magees as prime candidates for 2 yellows sending off for dry riding one of the Brogans all day. Connolly was unlucky in many ways but by the letter of the law had to go, as should at least 1 of the Donegal lads.
I think he will win it on appeal and I hope he does but you have to have some degree of sympathy fo a ref having to deal with such a game, he was always going to make a few mistakes. The swarm defence has countless examples of "half fouls" that are very much touch and go. I actually think Donegal really missed the boat in this one. They had Dublin beatenand should have gone on a "full court press" for the first 10 minutes of the second half with Murphy and McFadden as a double tag team in the FF line. They could still have swarmed 12 men behind the ball when needed but of they had another body with McFadden they would have scored at least 2 mpre scores I reckon and that would have finished the Dubs. The crowd were turning, the first score of the half went Donegal's way, there was no real leadership being shown by the Dublin "stars". They could have gone into a 7-8 point lead and soaked up for the last 25 minutes but they didn't show enough ambition. The periods before and after half time and in the last 3-4 minutes are the best times to score but Donegal didn't avail enough of those times. I don't think they will be back next year at this level.
Good post. Agree totally with your analysis. They lacked even a little attacking courage which would have seen them home. I also don't think they'll be back at this stage next year. Gotta take your chances when you get them.
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Quote from: mylestheslasher on August 29, 2011, 07:56:08 PM
Jasus Jinxy you are some joker. If that was a red card the "great" meath teams would have finished every game with 10 men. I bet you any money if the ref had slow motion replay of the incident he never would have sent connolly off. I also agree 100% with Indiana. Donegals football was putrid (of course they can play putrid football if they want) and their repeat cynical fouling disgusting. The rules need changing to prevent this getting any worse or the popularity of football will diminish severely
It always comes back to this with you Myles. ;)
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 29, 2011, 06:58:55 PM
Quote from: North Longford on August 29, 2011, 06:18:55 PM
Why was it a sending off and the 2 Donegal lads not?
I don't think people are saying that though. The reality is the man lifted his hand and struck, with whatever force he used, the opposing player in the face. Given the context of the game, there was always going to be a red card at some stage. I figured it actually would have been for 2 yellows because it wasn't an overly nasty game, cynical yes, but not nasty. I would have had one of the Magees as prime candidates for 2 yellows sending off for dry riding one of the Brogans all day. Connolly was unlucky in many ways but by the letter of the law had to go, as should at least 1 of the Donegal lads.
I think he will win it on appeal and I hope he does but you have to have some degree of sympathy fo a ref having to deal with such a game, he was always going to make a few mistakes. The swarm defence has countless examples of "half fouls" that are very much touch and go. I actually think Donegal really missed the boat in this one. They had Dublin beatenand should have gone on a "full court press" for the first 10 minutes of the second half with Murphy and McFadden as a double tag team in the FF line. They could still have swarmed 12 men behind the ball when needed but of they had another body with McFadden they would have scored at least 2 mpre scores I reckon and that would have finished the Dubs. The crowd were turning, the first score of the half went Donegal's way, there was no real leadership being shown by the Dublin "stars". They could have gone into a 7-8 point lead and soaked up for the last 25 minutes but they didn't show enough ambition. The periods before and after half time and in the last 3-4 minutes are the best times to score but Donegal didn't avail enough of those times. I don't think they will be back next year at this level.
Donegal didnt lose anything. They had no conviction and no plan B. Mc Guinness never believed they could win the game and that was proven by leaving one man up front when they were behind.
I cant imagine there are no Donegal players today feeling had they pushed up in the last 5 minutes they could have nicked it. But they didnt because their coaching staff went for a damage limitation approach.
Mc Guinness is preaching a full court press today "Well donegal in the past would have played beautiful football and lost".
Newsflash Jim - you played rancid football and lost.
You'll notice the last word in the above 2 sentences is the same.
Cest la vie.
The bottom line is that Connolly was sent off as a direct result of cynical cheating by a Donegal player - and I'm disgusted. I'm sure everyone on this forum would feel the same if one of their county men were to miss out on the opportunity to play in an All Ireland Final in those circumstances
All the talk of whether it's a push, stike or kiss on the cheek will hopefully be redundant as I'm told the red card will be thrown out on a technicality.
I also hear that if the technicality doesn't hold up that he won't be available for the final as Croke Park are not for turning.
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 29, 2011, 08:37:55 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 29, 2011, 05:17:44 PM
The rules are the major problem here.
If the rules treat every contact the same, and don't allow the referee to differentiate between the purpose, aggression, context (provocation involved) and outcome of the contact, then it's basically an open door for cheats to exploit.
Players getting involved in macho argy bargy after a debatable free, or pumping chests when play stops after highly charged piece of action, is as much a part of the game as full length blocks and square on shoulder charges. It's called passion. The rules (or the current intepretation of them) have though moved the advantage towards the snidey, calculating cheats who provoke a reaction, then turn it into an international incident.
I've an old school take on these minor encounters that happen in every game of football. If you decide to get involved in one of these acts of manliness, you must behave like a man, and you should have no recourse if you are violently removed from it.
I'm not advocating violence by the way. I'm advocating that referees shouldn't arbitrate on minor squabbles between willing combatants. This simple change of tack would encourage the cheats and lowlifes away from turning games into farces.
You might see stuff like what went on in the said incident yesterday as stuff of macho, masculine passion - I would say it's quite the opposite actually, in that the players who start these "handbags" and those that then try to get involved once it's started are anything but manily. The problem is that such players are already looking for a cover to save face before they even get involved. The type of lad who likes to boast of "look at ME I've got BIG BALLS!!!" pretty much like the type of w**ker who's in a group of his mates for a night out, gets them to pick on one or two strangers minding their own business then tries to get a row started later in the night and just on the brink of it, goes into "hold me back boys" mode - because if he actually got into a real fight, one on one with someone that can take care of themselves, no backup around them of six other lads of his age wearing the same colour of shirts with the same w**ker attitudes, he would literally shit himself and start crying for his mammy. You see this type of handbags in hurling a lot less than you do in football, and even less in ladies football. In fact in the latter if something does flare up, it's normally one against one and those two women will show more testosterone in their scrap than over 99% of all the men involved in a "handbag" incident; and if it does turn into a multiple player scrap, it's pretty much game abandoned.
The thing that links ladies football and hurling here is that the players' aggressions are channelled much more into the actual playing of the game rather than wastefully getting involved in handbags. There isn't much scope for physical outlets within ladies football because of the rules though that doesn't stop players and teams being physically imposing, while in hurling they have more of the right attitude of using their physicality within the rules, mainly in good shoulder to shoulder charges with the intent of getting the better of their opponent in a way that actually looks masculine. The problem is that most footballers are reluctant to attempt a good hard shoulder challenge on an opponent with the ball not because they feel they will not win such a challenge, pick themselves up and go again, but rather that they fear that they'll end up on their arse and have people laughing at them. So they save face and instead put their aggression into something that isn't productive.
If in these "handbag" incidents some players were actually showing a bit of aggression, they would at least try and approach face to face and shove their opponent with enough force to put their arse on the ground, not try and feel what type of material the opposition's jerseys are made of or blind siding your opponent with a shoulder charge into the back. That's not a sign of manliness or passion, that's a sign of cowardice.
They won't try and shoulder an opponent because they will more than likely be penalised for it.
There is an unspoken understanding in hurling that the refs swallow their whistles for the greater good of the game.
Watched the recording there..............jesus deegan was squirming when the linesman approached him about the handbags, he really didnt want to make that call
Hopefully theres a quick answer to this red card fuss
Funny thing is when I saw Hickey approaching Deegan I said to the missus this fella is a dire ref he's liable to tell him anything and low and behold we get the outcome we did.
And the question was just being smart jinxy. point being surely the 2 wrongs are worse indeed then the one right?
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on August 29, 2011, 02:42:06 PM
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on August 29, 2011, 02:20:42 PM
He pushed Boyle in the neck having had 3 Donegal players come at him after he won the free. Boyle dives to the ground holding his face. Ref who was beside incident takes direction from linesan 20 yds away to send him off. Youd' be happy with that if it were M*ath player would you?
Connolly raised his hands so is in trouble going by letter of the law. If there's any 'justice' he will not miss an AIF for that.
Have you even looked at the incident? There is a clear "push / strike / punch" to the face.
Harmless admittedly but its a red card offence.
Good job they dont hand out reds around Cullyhanna for what Diarmaid done. Wouldnt be too many that would finish games.
If you time it even slightly wrong you'll get a yellow.
Time it badly wrong and you'll get a red.
So why would you do it?
This is the culmination of years of media hysteria.
The game was too violent and out of control we were told, so now it has been emasculated.
Hurling hasn't been yet, but that's largely because the refs are told to stand back and let the lads get stuck in.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 29, 2011, 08:25:13 PM
Donegal didnt lose anything. They had no conviction and no plan B. Mc Guinness never believed they could win the game and that was proven by leaving one man up front when they were behind.
I cant imagine there are no Donegal players today feeling had they pushed up in the last 5 minutes they could have nicked it. But they didnt because their coaching staff went for a damage limitation approach.
Mc Guinness is preaching a full court press today "Well donegal in the past would have played beautiful football and lost".
Newsflash Jim - you played rancid football and lost.
You'll notice the last word in the above 2 sentences is the same.
Cest la vie.
Donegal played 14 games this year and lost 2 ( 1 of which was meaningless) ,won 2 major trophies and came within a kick of reaching the AI final with practically the same players that lay down v Armagh last year so you can't argue his tactics aren't effective.
Game was there for the taking a few times for Donegal yesterday but didn't have enough belief or quality when they did go forward. 1 break just after the sending off when they had men over and couldn't get the ball out to them comes to mind.
Donegal on Sunday would remind you of Inter under Mourinho.Poor to watch but effective with Murphy being sacrificed the way Eto was.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 29, 2011, 10:47:53 PM
If you time it even slightly wrong you'll get a yellow.
Time it badly wrong and you'll get a red.
So why would you do it?
This is the culmination of years of media hysteria.
The game was too violent and out of control we were told, so now it has been emasculated.
Hurling hasn't been yet, but that's largely because the refs are told to stand back and let the lads get stuck in.
Players will always play a game in its own context. Some might step way out of that context and pay the price and they will deserve it. The context of this game was established long before this particular incident. By modern football standard this was already a hopelessly cynical contest.
Connolly's action was naive. Not for raising his hands though, his sin was matched immediately before and after his own without sanction. Nope, his naivety was in not diving in agony in the first instance. He may well be severely punished for that.
We never learn.
Muppet, do you think Sundays game was more cynical than the previous weeks match between Kerry and Mayo?
I dont - honestly. There was more blatent cynicism in that first 25 minutes than the entire Dublin and Donegal contingent could muster in 70 mins!
IMO of course, but from what I witnessed on Sunday, neither Dublin or Donegal resorted to the same level of holding or checking opponents runs that both Kerry and Mayo enacted...
the difference was that Donegal killed the game as a spectacle for the high scoring neutrals with their tactics. Its horrible to watch for most , but not illegal or 'cynical' in the current sense of the word with regard to football this season.
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 29, 2011, 08:37:55 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 29, 2011, 05:17:44 PM
I've an old school take on these minor encounters that happen in every game of football. If you decide to get involved in one of these acts of manliness, you must behave like a man, and you should have no recourse if you are violently removed from it.
The problem is that most footballers are reluctant to attempt a good hard shoulder challenge on an opponent with the ball not because they feel they will not win such a challenge, pick themselves up and go again, but rather that they fear that they'll end up on their arse and have people laughing at them. So they save face and instead put their aggression into something that isn't productive.
I dont think this is the reason players dont shoulder tackle as often now . Reason is if you dont put the man is arse it is waste of time and effort and the attcking team with the ball suddenly have man over as you are no where to be seen after you tried to empty some boy and he has bounced of you and accelerated towards goal. There is times for it and when it works it is very effective, but i have seen at least two examples in hurling and football this year were relatively small men have taken big hits and bounced of their men and scored a goal. It is frustrating when players in your own team take the lazy way out and go for the big hit instead of standing the man up in the tackle. Like everything else in footaball, it is about decision making and doing the right things at the right time.
Philly McMahon performed a perfect shoulder to a Donegal forward, knocking him over the line but the ref amazingly gave a free in. To make it worse the ball was put over the bar from the free.
Quote from: Drummerboy on August 30, 2011, 10:06:38 AM
Philly McMahon performed a perfect shoulder to a Donegal forward, knocking him over the line but the ref amazingly gave a free in. To make it worse the ball was put over the bar from the free.
Wasn't a perfect shoulder was more into his back than shoulder to shoulder but it wasn't too far off. The reality is that unless your timing is perfect the shoulder charge is not a great way to tackle as it is too easily avoided and the player making the shoulder is generally cut out of the game at a crucial time because if this. It may get a big roar from the crowd if it works but more often than not the player simply ends up looking silly.
Will any appeal by Connolly get support from the Donegal football team management? After all, Donegal were at the wrong end of a red-card decision against Murphy earlier in the summer.
In fairness, I saw only sympathy for Connolly from Donegal posters on this forum. Fair dues lads.
With regards to the red card, which i thought should have been a yellow. I can see why it was a red though as he does make, albeit very light contact, with the lads chin. Reminds me a bit of marsden's redcard in 03 final.
Quote from: Hardy on August 29, 2011, 03:28:41 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 29, 2011, 03:20:02 PM
I'd like to see the rules amended so that diving is a red card offence.
It's already a yellow card offence, but I don't think I've ever seen that applied, so what chance is there that refs would wave the red cad if that was the penalty? One of the biggest problems in the game, that remains unrecognised, never mind addressed, is the refusal of referees to apply the rules as written.
a la andy mallon against bradley this year
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 29, 2011, 02:44:24 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 29, 2011, 12:34:14 PM
Simple things like this need to be cleaned up -
1 - Deliberately staying within the 13 yards when frees are given should lead the ball being moved 35/40 yards forward rather than 13 and a yellow card.
2 - Refusing to give the ball back when frees are given should have the same result as above.
3 - Anyone diving like Boyle did feigning an injury when wasn't touched in the face should get a season's ban.
4 - Anyone claiming an elbow or shouting for people to be sent off and coming on the pitch from the sideline should get a 3 year ban.
5 - Deliberate tripping of people going through on goal should be a red card offence.
the rules already cater for points 1 & 2 - and indeed the ref was incorrect when he brought the ball up a second time for Dublin when they didnt get out of the way quickly enough. The penalty there is a yellow card.
The points 3, 4 &5 are part of the debate we had this last few weeks on cynical fouling etc and the refs not applying the proper laws of the game in the actual match.
I disagree Lynchboy. The penalty for not retreating 13m from a free kick (or preventing a free kick from being taken) is a "Free kick 13m more advantageous than place of original kick". If a further similar offense occurs before the kick is taken then the free kick should be moved forward a further 13m as the "place of original kick" refers to the place of the free kick when the offense occurs. And so on up to the opponents' 13m line. A yellow card could only be appropriate if the same player persistantly "fouled" the free kick.
Regarding the second part of point 4, I have heard rumours that a certain player/manager while unlikely to get 3 yrs, might have to miss St Gall's run in the Ulster Club Championship...
Boyle's provocation and dive were a disgrace and he is an embarassment to Donegal. Put me in mind of another Donegal man's antics (Paddy Campbell?) against Enda Muldoon (2006?).
But in case we get lost in all this Donegal bashing, Dublin weren't whiter-than-white. I can't bear to sit through that match again, but I seem to recall Michael Murphy getting his hand stood on - and it looked deliberate. The commentators talked through the replay and then went silent at the point where they usually spew "but of course it was totally unintentional".
Deliberately stamping on a player's hand is one of the lowest acts you can do on a football field IMO (just above feigning injury and sexual assault as above). Did I dream that? Who was the assailant?
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on August 30, 2011, 11:29:59 AM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 29, 2011, 02:44:24 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 29, 2011, 12:34:14 PM
Simple things like this need to be cleaned up -
1 - Deliberately staying within the 13 yards when frees are given should lead the ball being moved 35/40 yards forward rather than 13 and a yellow card.
2 - Refusing to give the ball back when frees are given should have the same result as above.
3 - Anyone diving like Boyle did feigning an injury when wasn't touched in the face should get a season's ban.
4 - Anyone claiming an elbow or shouting for people to be sent off and coming on the pitch from the sideline should get a 3 year ban.
5 - Deliberate tripping of people going through on goal should be a red card offence.
the rules already cater for points 1 & 2 - and indeed the ref was incorrect when he brought the ball up a second time for Dublin when they didnt get out of the way quickly enough. The penalty there is a yellow card.
The points 3, 4 &5 are part of the debate we had this last few weeks on cynical fouling etc and the refs not applying the proper laws of the game in the actual match.
I disagree Lynchboy. The penalty for not retreating 13m from a free kick (or preventing a free kick from being taken) is a "Free kick 13m more advantageous than place of original kick". If a further similar offense occurs before the kick is taken then the free kick should be moved forward a further 13m as the "place of original kick" refers to the place of the free kick when the offense occurs. And so on up to the opponents' 13m line. A yellow card could only be appropriate if the same player persistantly "fouled" the free kick.
Regarding the second part of point 4, I have heard rumours that a certain player/manager while unlikely to get 3 yrs, might have to miss St Gall's run in the Ulster Club Championship...
Good. He's a cowardly wee bollox anyway. He was already done for doing similar in the Ulster final and was in the stands for the Kildare game.
Only getting to post now and conversation has moved on a bit but I actually enjoyed the match on Sun. Ok it wasn't attractive football but it was still a contest. Met one of the lads from the club at halftime and when he asked me what did I make of that with a forlorn face on him I said it was intriguing. And it was. It took Dublin a worrying amount of time to work Donegal out. Couldn't believe they left three men back on McFadden when two would've done the job and they needed the extra pair of hands around the middle. McMenamin made some impact when he came on, delighted for him and should run Barry Cahill close for a starting spot in the final.
The turning point though was McFadden's missed goal opportunity at the start of the second half. If he had nailed that Donegal would have gone on to win as a goal was central to Donegal's game plan. You can see the realisation on McFadden's face after that that was the chance and he probably wouldn't get another one. Lacey going off injured was another big moment, didn't see the incident that caused that. Was too far away from the Connolly incident as well but was talking to some Dubs on the way out and they said he deserved to go for a punch. After seeing the incident in the pub later I was convinced it wasn't a sending off. Now I'm not so sure. By the letter of the law it was a strike but the referee wouldn't have had a decision to make if Boyle wasn't acting the maggot. Should be banned from all of Donegal's league games next year, absolute tool. Gallagher's carry on was out of order as well I felt, that's the kind of rubbish that'll end up with management not being allowed out of their dugout areas like the soccerfellas.
Feelings among the Dublin support after were very mixed. Some were delighted to reach the final and some were livid at Donegal's tactics. One ejiot beside us even walked out of the match in protest before getting to the back of the stand and performing an about turn. If I was a Dublin fan I would be delighted with that on Sunday. Okay it was horrible to play against and it was worrying how long it took them to figure Donegal out but they never panicked, they kept the heads and didn't let the rhythm of the crowd upset them. They got a serious test in the semi final with damn all space to play in, Croker will seem like an open field in the final. There is one major drawback though, to stand a chance in the final they have to get Connolly off, I can't see them winning it without him. I realised he's a hit or miss player, but he's had his miss on Sun and, like after being taken off in the Leinster Final, I believe he'll be hit the next day.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 30, 2011, 09:31:22 AM
Muppet, do you think Sundays game was more cynical than the previous weeks match between Kerry and Mayo?
I dont - honestly. There was more blatent cynicism in that first 25 minutes than the entire Dublin and Donegal contingent could muster in 70 mins!
IMO of course, but from what I witnessed on Sunday, neither Dublin or Donegal resorted to the same level of holding or checking opponents runs that both Kerry and Mayo enacted...
the difference was that Donegal killed the game as a spectacle for the high scoring neutrals with their tactics. Its horrible to watch for most , but not illegal or 'cynical' in the current sense of the word with regard to football this season.
Hang on we are talking about two separate things.
I thought Connolly was unlucky to get sent off in the context of that game. That doesn't mean it was any more violent than any other game, just simply that the way it was played imho he was unlucky. For example both Donegal players involved in the same incident should have walked if the ref was consistent, the first guy should have had a yellow for raising his hands and another yellow for diving. The second (Kavanagh?) did the same thing as Connolly.
The second issue is Donegal tactics. One man in the opposing half for their kick-out is pathetic in the extreme.
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on August 30, 2011, 11:29:59 AM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 29, 2011, 02:44:24 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 29, 2011, 12:34:14 PM
Simple things like this need to be cleaned up -
1 - Deliberately staying within the 13 yards when frees are given should lead the ball being moved 35/40 yards forward rather than 13 and a yellow card.
2 - Refusing to give the ball back when frees are given should have the same result as above.
3 - Anyone diving like Boyle did feigning an injury when wasn't touched in the face should get a season's ban.
4 - Anyone claiming an elbow or shouting for people to be sent off and coming on the pitch from the sideline should get a 3 year ban.
5 - Deliberate tripping of people going through on goal should be a red card offence.
the rules already cater for points 1 & 2 - and indeed the ref was incorrect when he brought the ball up a second time for Dublin when they didnt get out of the way quickly enough. The penalty there is a yellow card.
The points 3, 4 &5 are part of the debate we had this last few weeks on cynical fouling etc and the refs not applying the proper laws of the game in the actual match.
I disagree Lynchboy. The penalty for not retreating 13m from a free kick (or preventing a free kick from being taken) is a "Free kick 13m more advantageous than place of original kick". If a further similar offense occurs before the kick is taken then the free kick should be moved forward a further 13m as the "place of original kick" refers to the place of the free kick when the offense occurs. And so on up to the opponents' 13m line. A yellow card could only be appropriate if the same player persistantly "fouled" the free kick.
Regarding the second part of point 4, I have heard rumours that a certain player/manager while unlikely to get 3 yrs, might have to miss St Gall's run in the Ulster Club Championship...
must consult the rulebook, but was pretty sure that we were told earlier this year tha a ref cannot move the ball up twice. He can move it to a mor central location in front of the posts, but the example last sunday was near the Dublin 21 yard line
Quote from: muppet on August 30, 2011, 12:14:36 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 30, 2011, 09:31:22 AM
Muppet, do you think Sundays game was more cynical than the previous weeks match between Kerry and Mayo?
I dont - honestly. There was more blatent cynicism in that first 25 minutes than the entire Dublin and Donegal contingent could muster in 70 mins!
IMO of course, but from what I witnessed on Sunday, neither Dublin or Donegal resorted to the same level of holding or checking opponents runs that both Kerry and Mayo enacted...
the difference was that Donegal killed the game as a spectacle for the high scoring neutrals with their tactics. Its horrible to watch for most , but not illegal or 'cynical' in the current sense of the word with regard to football this season.
Hang on we are talking about two separate things.
I thought Connolly was unlucky to get sent off in the context of that game. That doesn't mean it was any more violent than any other game, just simply that the way it was played imho he was unlucky. For example both Donegal players involved in the same incident should have walked if the ref was consistent, the first guy should have had a yellow for raising his hands and another yellow for diving. The second (Kavanagh?) did the same thing as Connolly.
The second issue is Donegal tactics. One man in the opposing half for their kick-out is pathetic in the extreme.
sorry muppet, my response was nothing to do with that bit in bold - it was about Donegals tactics- which most teams seem to have adopted to a certain degree these days.
I have to say I think some people on here have been far too critical of donegals tactics. The donegal management set there team up that gave them the best chance to win. On the dublin team they probably have 3 or 4 players who are capable of scoring points from play under pressure, alan and bernard brogan, connolly and cullen is reliably accurate too.
None of the dublin backs or there midfielders are capable of taking a ball on the forty and kicking it over the bar under pressure, you could add cahill and flynn from the forwards into the category. It seems pretty sensible to me for donegal to drop all there men back and force the dublin half forward line and midfield to beat them.
Dublins first 3 points came from frees that very very soft, the first one i do feel that brogan was pulled and deserved a free but the other two he just dived. Dublins 4th point came from anthony thompson stupidly knocking a ball out of dublin players hands after free was awarded which brought the free into cluxtons range which he then scored. Neil mcgee got a poor fist on a high ball that went for 45 which cluxton kicked dublins 5th point, im sure mcgee would like that back because donegal would have worked on not conceding cheap 45s.
On another day donegal might have held dublin to 3 or 4 points. That leaves donegal only needing to score 5 or 6 points to win. While obviously this isnt everyones idea of how football should be played, this was donegals best chance of beating dublin.
With regards dublins kickouts, dublins main focus of there attacks is to move the ball fast up the field by kicking preferably to stop the blanket defence getting in place. Donegal just got into there defensive position straight away and let dublin have the ball because donegal felt once they had the brogans marked and space crowded out dublin wouldnt have the creativity to break them down.
The majority of dublins goals this year came from turnovers in the middle of the pitch and then quick direct ball into full forward line. Donegal just left extra men back at all times so if they turnovered the ball, dublins counter attack could quickly be snuffed out.
I felt the losing of the game for donegal was around same time lacey went off, players like walsh, kavanagh, murphy and bradley got tired and when donegal won the ball in defence they didnt have the legs to get forward and donegal struggled to get by halfway with there running game in last 25 minutes as a result. A few fresh legs needed to be introduced.
Having been at the tyrone donegal match in which donegal started with mcfadden and mcilhinney in full forward line and mcbearty just in front of them, they changed on sunday to just mcfadden inside the forty. I believe this was as mentioned above donegal felt they had to completely crowd out there own forty to nullify the two brogans and connolly and make the dublin midfielders and half backs try and score from outide the forty. I reckon if donegal had beaten dublin on sunday they would have changed back to the their formation from tyrone game against kerry.
There tactics simply wouldnt work against kerry as while dublin only have 3 or 4 players capable of scoring under pressure kerry have 9 or 10. The likes of sheehan, maher, brosnan, 2 o sheas would be well capable of kicking scores from outside the forty and gooch inside much more creative than any dublin player at being able to breakdown the donegal defence. Kerry would easily score 12 or 13 scores against donegal and donegal wouldnt be able to just leave one up front because they would never get the scores required.
No doubt donegal will continue with there defensive system, I just think people need to realise that the one used on sunday was an extreme version of the one they were using all this year and the extreme version was used because I feel donegal felt they could win the game with 6 or 7 points.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 30, 2011, 12:44:26 PM
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on August 30, 2011, 11:29:59 AM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 29, 2011, 02:44:24 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 29, 2011, 12:34:14 PM
Simple things like this need to be cleaned up -
1 - Deliberately staying within the 13 yards when frees are given should lead the ball being moved 35/40 yards forward rather than 13 and a yellow card.
2 - Refusing to give the ball back when frees are given should have the same result as above.
3 - Anyone diving like Boyle did feigning an injury when wasn't touched in the face should get a season's ban.
4 - Anyone claiming an elbow or shouting for people to be sent off and coming on the pitch from the sideline should get a 3 year ban.
5 - Deliberate tripping of people going through on goal should be a red card offence.
the rules already cater for points 1 & 2 - and indeed the ref was incorrect when he brought the ball up a second time for Dublin when they didnt get out of the way quickly enough. The penalty there is a yellow card.
The points 3, 4 &5 are part of the debate we had this last few weeks on cynical fouling etc and the refs not applying the proper laws of the game in the actual match.
I disagree Lynchboy. The penalty for not retreating 13m from a free kick (or preventing a free kick from being taken) is a "Free kick 13m more advantageous than place of original kick". If a further similar offense occurs before the kick is taken then the free kick should be moved forward a further 13m as the "place of original kick" refers to the place of the free kick when the offense occurs. And so on up to the opponents' 13m line. A yellow card could only be appropriate if the same player persistantly "fouled" the free kick.
Regarding the second part of point 4, I have heard rumours that a certain player/manager while unlikely to get 3 yrs, might have to miss St Gall's run in the Ulster Club Championship...
must consult the rulebook, but was pretty sure that we were told earlier this year tha a ref cannot move the ball up twice. He can move it to a mor central location in front of the posts, but the example last sunday was near the Dublin 21 yard line
Gotta love those rules in the GAA that don't actually exist ;)
"more advantageous" is just that - forwards, sidewards, backwards even.
Have a think what else this fella told you earlier in the year and then check it against the actual rulebook before you quote him again ;D
Good post adevvabr.
Anybody have Paddy Heaney's article from today?? Good job it doesn't circulate in Dublin or Indiana might have a coronary!!
The jist of it being "Why is everyone slagging off Donegal when Dublin played the exact same game only they have a couple of better footballers which meant they won the game. For what possible reason did they triple markColm McFadden?" and a few other chestnuts . . . Good stuff!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRaI1PDU2xw
The more I look at this clip, the more I think that Connolly was targetted in a premeditated and orchestrated way. Look at the body language of the 3 Donegal men involved.
Boyle provokes Connolly in the weediest "hit me, but don't hurt me" way. Connolly stupidly obliges.
Cassidy jumps around screaming like a fish wife even before Boyle hits the ground. C'mon, Cassidy, the fish wife? The one guy in the Donegal side that could do the most damage if he put his mind to it (and often does) doesn't even look at Connolly. No shoulder, no "interview".
Kavanagh comes in and pushes Connolly as a token gesture. He too is faux aggresive. No eye contact and backs off in retreat immediately. Job done.
Tyrone and Armagh were the masters of it in the noughties. Is that McGuiness's template? Right down to having Gallagher come on from the sideline to provoke the opposition a la John Toal?
All despicable and cynical stuff. That was the real anti-football element to Sunday's game, not the 14 men behind the ball.
Quote from: screenexile on August 30, 2011, 02:15:10 PM
Anybody have Paddy Heaney's article from today?? Good job it doesn't circulate in Dublin or Indiana might have a coronary!!
The jist of it being "Why is everyone slagging off Donegal when Dublin played the exact same game only they have a couple of better footballers which meant they won the game. For what possible reason did they triple markColm McFadden?" and a few other chestnuts . . . Good stuff!!
That means they had 3 defenders in their own half. How the hell is that on the same defensive planet as Donegal?
Quote from: screenexile on August 30, 2011, 02:15:10 PM
Anybody have Paddy Heaney's article from today?? Good job it doesn't circulate in Dublin or Indiana might have a coronary!!
The jist of it being "Why is everyone slagging off Donegal when Dublin played the exact same game only they have a couple of better footballers which meant they won the game. For what possible reason did they triple markColm McFadden?" and a few other chestnuts . . . Good stuff!!
Because there was no other Donegal men in that half?
He is correct (to a point) though.
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on August 30, 2011, 02:18:42 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRaI1PDU2xw
The more I look at this clip, the more I think that Connolly was targetted in a premeditated and orchestrated way. Look at the body language of the 3 Donegal men involved.
Boyle provokes Connolly in the weediest "hit me, but don't hurt me" way. Connolly stupidly obliges.
Cassidy jumps around screaming like a fish wife even before Boyle hits the ground. C'mon, Cassidy, the fish wife? The one guy in the Donegal side that could do the most damage if he put his mind to it (and often does) doesn't even look at Connolly. No shoulder, no "interview".
Kavanagh comes in and pushes Connolly as a token gesture. He too is faux aggresive. No eye contact and backs off in retreat immediately. Job done.
Tyrone and Armagh were the masters of it in the noughties. Is that McGuiness's template? Right down to having Gallagher come on from the sideline to provoke the opposition a la John Toal?
All despicable and cynical stuff. That was the real anti-football element to Sunday's game, not the 14 men behind the ball.
Ugly, cynical, cowardly and a gross miscarriage of justice ......... a disgrace to their county.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRaI1PDU2xw
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 30, 2011, 02:46:04 PM
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on August 30, 2011, 02:18:42 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRaI1PDU2xw
The more I look at this clip, the more I think that Connolly was targetted in a premeditated and orchestrated way. Look at the body language of the 3 Donegal men involved.
Boyle provokes Connolly in the weediest "hit me, but don't hurt me" way. Connolly stupidly obliges.
Cassidy jumps around screaming like a fish wife even before Boyle hits the ground. C'mon, Cassidy, the fish wife? The one guy in the Donegal side that could do the most damage if he put his mind to it (and often does) doesn't even look at Connolly. No shoulder, no "interview".
Kavanagh comes in and pushes Connolly as a token gesture. He too is faux aggresive. No eye contact and backs off in retreat immediately. Job done.
Tyrone and Armagh were the masters of it in the noughties. Is that McGuiness's template? Right down to having Gallagher come on from the sideline to provoke the opposition a la John Toal?
All despicable and cynical stuff. That was the real anti-football element to Sunday's game, not the 14 men behind the ball.
Ugly, cynical, cowardly and a gross miscarriage of justice ......... a disgrace to their county.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRaI1PDU2xw
...as were the Dublin fans.
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on August 30, 2011, 01:14:25 PM
Gotta love those rules in the GAA that don't actually exist ;)
"more advantageous" is just that - forwards, sidewards, backwards even.
Have a think what else this fella told you earlier in the year and then check it against the actual rulebook before you quote him again ;D
that 'fella' being the course leader in the Dublin referee's course in parnell park ...
please post up where your quote of the rules comes from, as I am always open to correction...
Quote from: adevvabr on August 30, 2011, 12:53:50 PM
I have to say I think some people on here have been far too critical of donegals tactics. The donegal management set there team up that gave them the best chance to win. On the dublin team they probably have 3 or 4 players who are capable of scoring points from play under pressure, alan and bernard brogan, connolly and cullen is reliably accurate too.
None of the dublin backs or there midfielders are capable of taking a ball on the forty and kicking it over the bar under pressure, you could add cahill and flynn from the forwards into the category. It seems pretty sensible to me for donegal to drop all there men back and force the dublin half forward line and midfield to beat them.
Dublins first 3 points came from frees that very very soft, the first one i do feel that brogan was pulled and deserved a free but the other two he just dived. Dublins 4th point came from anthony thompson stupidly knocking a ball out of dublin players hands after free was awarded which brought the free into cluxtons range which he then scored. Neil mcgee got a poor fist on a high ball that went for 45 which cluxton kicked dublins 5th point, im sure mcgee would like that back because donegal would have worked on not conceding cheap 45s.
On another day donegal might have held dublin to 3 or 4 points. That leaves donegal only needing to score 5 or 6 points to win. While obviously this isnt everyones idea of how football should be played, this was donegals best chance of beating dublin.
With regards dublins kickouts, dublins main focus of there attacks is to move the ball fast up the field by kicking preferably to stop the blanket defence getting in place. Donegal just got into there defensive position straight away and let dublin have the ball because donegal felt once they had the brogans marked and space crowded out dublin wouldnt have the creativity to break them down.
The majority of dublins goals this year came from turnovers in the middle of the pitch and then quick direct ball into full forward line. Donegal just left extra men back at all times so if they turnovered the ball, dublins counter attack could quickly be snuffed out.
I felt the losing of the game for donegal was around same time lacey went off, players like walsh, kavanagh, murphy and bradley got tired and when donegal won the ball in defence they didnt have the legs to get forward and donegal struggled to get by halfway with there running game in last 25 minutes as a result. A few fresh legs needed to be introduced.
Having been at the tyrone donegal match in which donegal started with mcfadden and mcilhinney in full forward line and mcbearty just in front of them, they changed on sunday to just mcfadden inside the forty. I believe this was as mentioned above donegal felt they had to completely crowd out there own forty to nullify the two brogans and connolly and make the dublin midfielders and half backs try and score from outide the forty. I reckon if donegal had beaten dublin on sunday they would have changed back to the their formation from tyrone game against kerry.
There tactics simply wouldnt work against kerry as while dublin only have 3 or 4 players capable of scoring under pressure kerry have 9 or 10. The likes of sheehan, maher, brosnan, 2 o sheas would be well capable of kicking scores from outside the forty and gooch inside much more creative than any dublin player at being able to breakdown the donegal defence. Kerry would easily score 12 or 13 scores against donegal and donegal wouldnt be able to just leave one up front because they would never get the scores required.
No doubt donegal will continue with there defensive system, I just think people need to realise that the one used on sunday was an extreme version of the one they were using all this year and the extreme version was used because I feel donegal felt they could win the game with 6 or 7 points.
Agreed. Good post.
In fairness I have to say that technically Donegal players were immense. Their handling/ skill levels were faultless and McGuinness will have to be credited for that.
As for their tactics , not for me to comment either way as I am not from Donegal. Presume it will be "tweaked" next season.
Quote from: adevvabr on August 30, 2011, 12:53:50 PM
I have to say I think some people on here have been far too critical of donegals tactics. The donegal management set there team up that gave them the best chance to win. On the dublin team they probably have 3 or 4 players who are capable of scoring points from play under pressure, alan and bernard brogan, connolly and cullen is reliably accurate too.
None of the dublin backs or there midfielders are capable of taking a ball on the forty and kicking it over the bar under pressure, you could add cahill and flynn from the forwards into the category. It seems pretty sensible to me for donegal to drop all there men back and force the dublin half forward line and midfield to beat them.
Dublins first 3 points came from frees that very very soft, the first one i do feel that brogan was pulled and deserved a free but the other two he just dived. Dublins 4th point came from anthony thompson stupidly knocking a ball out of dublin players hands after free was awarded which brought the free into cluxtons range which he then scored. Neil mcgee got a poor fist on a high ball that went for 45 which cluxton kicked dublins 5th point, im sure mcgee would like that back because donegal would have worked on not conceding cheap 45s.
On another day donegal might have held dublin to 3 or 4 points. That leaves donegal only needing to score 5 or 6 points to win. While obviously this isnt everyones idea of how football should be played, this was donegals best chance of beating dublin.
With regards dublins kickouts, dublins main focus of there attacks is to move the ball fast up the field by kicking preferably to stop the blanket defence getting in place. Donegal just got into there defensive position straight away and let dublin have the ball because donegal felt once they had the brogans marked and space crowded out dublin wouldnt have the creativity to break them down.
The majority of dublins goals this year came from turnovers in the middle of the pitch and then quick direct ball into full forward line. Donegal just left extra men back at all times so if they turnovered the ball, dublins counter attack could quickly be snuffed out.
I felt the losing of the game for donegal was around same time lacey went off, players like walsh, kavanagh, murphy and bradley got tired and when donegal won the ball in defence they didnt have the legs to get forward and donegal struggled to get by halfway with there running game in last 25 minutes as a result. A few fresh legs needed to be introduced.
Having been at the tyrone donegal match in which donegal started with mcfadden and mcilhinney in full forward line and mcbearty just in front of them, they changed on sunday to just mcfadden inside the forty. I believe this was as mentioned above donegal felt they had to completely crowd out there own forty to nullify the two brogans and connolly and make the dublin midfielders and half backs try and score from outide the forty. I reckon if donegal had beaten dublin on sunday they would have changed back to the their formation from tyrone game against kerry.
There tactics simply wouldnt work against kerry as while dublin only have 3 or 4 players capable of scoring under pressure kerry have 9 or 10. The likes of sheehan, maher, brosnan, 2 o sheas would be well capable of kicking scores from outside the forty and gooch inside much more creative than any dublin player at being able to breakdown the donegal defence. Kerry would easily score 12 or 13 scores against donegal and donegal wouldnt be able to just leave one up front because they would never get the scores required.
No doubt donegal will continue with there defensive system, I just think people need to realise that the one used on sunday was an extreme version of the one they were using all this year and the extreme version was used because I feel donegal felt they could win the game with 6 or 7 points.
^
this. cracking post.
oh, and as an aside, what were the donegal staff doing out on the field of play shouting and roaring! not impressed by that. keep it behind the line.
Quote from: Canalman on August 30, 2011, 03:23:15 PM
In fairness I have to say that technically Donegal players were immense. Their handling/ skill levels were faultless and McGuinness will have to be credited for that.
As for their tactics , not for me to comment either way as I am not from Donegal. Presume it will be "tweaked" next season.
in the defence yes, but I'd have a small crib about McFadden in the forwards - his handling wasnt what it could be and missed out on a few chances because of that. He is capable of way better. I put it down to the wet and slippy conditions.
Donegal would have to tweak it even a small bit and they'd take some stopping next year. imo Inj and fatigue wil lessen their effectiveness.
They have footpassing skills also, but this style doesnt allow them to use that!
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 30, 2011, 12:44:26 PM
must consult the rulebook, but was pretty sure that we were told earlier this year tha a ref cannot move the ball up twice. He can move it to a mor central location in front of the posts, but the example last sunday was near the Dublin 21 yard line
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 30, 2011, 02:58:41 PM
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on August 30, 2011, 01:14:25 PM
Gotta love those rules in the GAA that don't actually exist ;)
"more advantageous" is just that - forwards, sidewards, backwards even.
Have a think what else this fella told you earlier in the year and then check it against the actual rulebook before you quote him again ;D
that 'fella' being the course leader in the Dublin referee's course in parnell park ...
please post up where your quote of the rules comes from, as I am always open to correction...
"must consult the rulebook" was your pledge for next Lent then ???
I'll see your course leader and raise you the Rule Book:
RULE 4 - TECHNICAL FOULS
4.17 For an opposing player to be nearer than 13m
to the ball before a free kick or a sideline kick
is taken.
PENALTY - Free kick 13m more
advantageous than place of original kick -
up to opponents' 13m line.
4.18 To delay an opponent taking a free kick or
sideline kick by hitting or kicking the ball away,
not releasing the ball to the opposition, or
deliberately not moving back to allow a quick
free kick to be taken.
4.19 To interfere with a player taking a free kick
or sideline kick by jumping up and down,
waving hands, or any other physical or verbal
interference considered by the referee to be
aimed at distracting the player taking the kick.
Exception
A player holding his hands upright shall not
constitute an interference.
PENALTY - FOR THE ABOVE FOULS - Free
kick 13m more advantageous than the
place of original kick - up to opponents'
13m line.
New free kick each time and if a new offence is committed then the specified penalty should apply each time.
Please post up where it says this can be done only once?
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on August 30, 2011, 04:25:02 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 30, 2011, 12:44:26 PM
must consult the rulebook, but was pretty sure that we were told earlier this year tha a ref cannot move the ball up twice. He can move it to a mor central location in front of the posts, but the example last sunday was near the Dublin 21 yard line
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 30, 2011, 02:58:41 PM
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on August 30, 2011, 01:14:25 PM
Gotta love those rules in the GAA that don't actually exist ;)
"more advantageous" is just that - forwards, sidewards, backwards even.
Have a think what else this fella told you earlier in the year and then check it against the actual rulebook before you quote him again ;D
that 'fella' being the course leader in the Dublin referee's course in parnell park ...
please post up where your quote of the rules comes from, as I am always open to correction...
"must consult the rulebook" was your pledge for next Lent then ???
I'll see your course leader and raise you the Rule Book:
RULE 4 - TECHNICAL FOULS
4.17 For an opposing player to be nearer than 13m
to the ball before a free kick or a sideline kick
is taken.
PENALTY - Free kick 13m more
advantageous than place of original kick -
up to opponents' 13m line.
4.18 To delay an opponent taking a free kick or
sideline kick by hitting or kicking the ball away,
not releasing the ball to the opposition, or
deliberately not moving back to allow a quick
free kick to be taken.
4.19 To interfere with a player taking a free kick
or sideline kick by jumping up and down,
waving hands, or any other physical or verbal
interference considered by the referee to be
aimed at distracting the player taking the kick.
Exception
A player holding his hands upright shall not
constitute an interference.
PENALTY - FOR THE ABOVE FOULS - Free
kick 13m more advantageous than the
place of original kick - up to opponents'
13m line.
New free kick each time and if a new offence is committed then the specified penalty should apply each time.
Please post up where it says this can be done only once?
To re-quote the legendary ref that is Big Sam McLatchey, "you keep talking, I keep walking" ;D
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 30, 2011, 04:29:27 PM
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on August 30, 2011, 04:25:02 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 30, 2011, 12:44:26 PM
must consult the rulebook, but was pretty sure that we were told earlier this year tha a ref cannot move the ball up twice. He can move it to a mor central location in front of the posts, but the example last sunday was near the Dublin 21 yard line
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 30, 2011, 02:58:41 PM
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on August 30, 2011, 01:14:25 PM
Gotta love those rules in the GAA that don't actually exist ;)
"more advantageous" is just that - forwards, sidewards, backwards even.
Have a think what else this fella told you earlier in the year and then check it against the actual rulebook before you quote him again ;D
that 'fella' being the course leader in the Dublin referee's course in parnell park ...
please post up where your quote of the rules comes from, as I am always open to correction...
"must consult the rulebook" was your pledge for next Lent then ???
I'll see your course leader and raise you the Rule Book:
RULE 4 - TECHNICAL FOULS
4.17 For an opposing player to be nearer than 13m
to the ball before a free kick or a sideline kick
is taken.
PENALTY - Free kick 13m more
advantageous than place of original kick -
up to opponents' 13m line.
4.18 To delay an opponent taking a free kick or
sideline kick by hitting or kicking the ball away,
not releasing the ball to the opposition, or
deliberately not moving back to allow a quick
free kick to be taken.
4.19 To interfere with a player taking a free kick
or sideline kick by jumping up and down,
waving hands, or any other physical or verbal
interference considered by the referee to be
aimed at distracting the player taking the kick.
Exception
A player holding his hands upright shall not
constitute an interference.
PENALTY - FOR THE ABOVE FOULS - Free
kick 13m more advantageous than the
place of original kick - up to opponents'
13m line.
New free kick each time and if a new offence is committed then the specified penalty should apply each time.
Please post up where it says this can be done only once?
To re-quote the legendary ref that is Big Sam McLatchey, "you keep talking, I keep walking" ;D
But Big Sam was wrong ;D
The penny drops now. Was your course leader talking about bringing the ball forward for dissent Lynchboy by any chance? ::)
Yes, I believe that should only be done once - it is not a new free kick but the original free kick moved forward:
RULE 6 - DISSENT
6.3 To show dissent with the referee's decision to
award a free kick to the opposing team.
PENALTY - The free kick already awarded
shall be taken 13m more advantageous
than the place of original kick - up to
opponents' 13m line.
Further dissent on an occasion shall be
considered as a breach of Rule 6.1 and
shall be penalised accordingly.
But we weren't talking about bringing Dublin's free forward for dissent ;)
6 of Dublin's 8 scores came from frees how many would you say were actually fouls?
12
Quote from: Canalman on August 30, 2011, 03:23:15 PM
In fairness I have to say that technically Donegal players were immense. Their handling/ skill levels were faultless and McGuinness will have to be credited for that.
As for their tactics , not for me to comment either way as I am not from Donegal. Presume it will be "tweaked" next season.
242 handpasses. With 6 months and a group of monkeys I could train them to do that. Genius technically alright.
We know how to handpass up the field. That's the difference. Watching this again jaysus the kicking and shooting was dire by both teams even when players were not under pressure
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 30, 2011, 06:13:41 PM
6 of Dublin's 8 scores came from frees how many would you say were actually fouls?
None (couldn't see the last free decision though).
Barry Cahill should have got red for that challenge on Karl Lacey.
To be honest, the game wasn't as bad as people are making out. It wasn't the greatest AI semi, but it was intense and tough. Donegal's amount of hand-passing and their defensive game wasn't any worse than what alot of other teams do. It worked until the last few minutes, but it was their failure to get quick ball into their forward line that was their downfall in the end.
Tyrone v Kerry in 2003 was 10 times worse than this game.
Quote from: BennyCake on August 30, 2011, 10:19:13 PM
Tyrone v Kerry in 2003 was 10 times worse than this game.
:D Yeah, the final score would really back up that delusional assertion, wouldn't it?! :D
I would love to go to a Donegal training match. Any way TSG could send up a crew to record it.
Two 13 man defenses going at each other (or not) broadcast to the rest of us might open a few eyes.
Quote from: BennyCake on August 30, 2011, 10:19:13 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 30, 2011, 06:13:41 PM
6 of Dublin's 8 scores came from frees how many would you say were actually fouls?
None (couldn't see the last free decision though).
Barry Cahill should have got red for that challenge on Karl Lacey.
To be honest, the game wasn't as bad as people are making out. It wasn't the greatest AI semi, but it was intense and tough. Donegal's amount of hand-passing and their defensive game wasn't any worse than what alot of other teams do. It worked until the last few minutes, but it was their failure to get quick ball into their forward line that was their downfall in the end.
Tyrone v Kerry in 2003 was 10 times worse than this game.
Name 1 other team that plays with 14 men behind the ball for the entire match.
I have yet to read a single rational post from a Donegal fan on here. Your posts are nearly as defensive as your tactics!
I have Donegal friends, informed and experienced GAA people and they are first to express disgust with the Donegal style, but kept quiet whilst Donegal were winning.
As for Rory Gallagher spouting nonsence after the game about getting Donegal fitter next year? Rory, you'll be away to the next county who waves a few euros in front of you!
Quote from: BennyCake on August 30, 2011, 10:19:13 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 30, 2011, 06:13:41 PM
6 of Dublin's 8 scores came from frees how many would you say were actually fouls?
None (couldn't see the last free decision though).
Barry Cahill should have got red for that challenge on Karl Lacey.
To be honest, the game wasn't as bad as people are making out. It wasn't the greatest AI semi, but it was intense and tough. Donegal's amount of hand-passing and their defensive game wasn't any worse than what alot of other teams do. It worked until the last few minutes, but it was their failure to get quick ball into their forward line that was their downfall in the end.
Tyrone v Kerry in 2003 was 10 times worse than this game.
Jesus Christ Benny. You didnt get that "Cake" in amsterdam by any chance did ya?
Quote from: INDIANA on August 30, 2011, 06:56:18 PM
Quote from: Canalman on August 30, 2011, 03:23:15 PM
In fairness I have to say that technically Donegal players were immense. Their handling/ skill levels were faultless and McGuinness will have to be credited for that.
As for their tactics , not for me to comment either way as I am not from Donegal. Presume it will be "tweaked" next season.
242 handpasses. With 6 months and a group of monkeys I could train them to do that. Genius technically alright.
Exactly. If the "visionary" Jim put as much time and preparation in to playing decent football and combined it with the strength and conditioning campaign + discipline they had this season they would probably have progressed just as far and would have been alot easier on the eye. I find it hard to believe good footballers like Murphy and McFadden would have enjoyed playing that gruelling shite.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on August 30, 2011, 11:25:20 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 30, 2011, 10:19:13 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 30, 2011, 06:13:41 PM
6 of Dublin's 8 scores came from frees how many would you say were actually fouls?
None (couldn't see the last free decision though).
Barry Cahill should have got red for that challenge on Karl Lacey.
To be honest, the game wasn't as bad as people are making out. It wasn't the greatest AI semi, but it was intense and tough. Donegal's amount of hand-passing and their defensive game wasn't any worse than what alot of other teams do. It worked until the last few minutes, but it was their failure to get quick ball into their forward line that was their downfall in the end.
Tyrone v Kerry in 2003 was 10 times worse than this game.
Name 1 other team that plays with 14 men behind the ball for the entire match.
Most teams go ultra-defensive at times these days. Donegal didn't have enough forwards up, thats true, but it wasn't always 14 men behind the ball. Cork, Dublin, Kerry, Kildare, Mayo, Laois, Armagh, Tyrone, Down have all been known to get numbers behind the ball and hand-pass their way out of trouble.
Donegal will learn from this. They'll be a better side next year. Look at Tyrone. They were super-defensive in 2003 to win Sam, but became a better team afterwards (ouch, that hurt!).
Quote from: ross matt on August 30, 2011, 11:39:46 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 30, 2011, 10:19:13 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 30, 2011, 06:13:41 PM
6 of Dublin's 8 scores came from frees how many would you say were actually fouls?
None (couldn't see the last free decision though).
Barry Cahill should have got red for that challenge on Karl Lacey.
To be honest, the game wasn't as bad as people are making out. It wasn't the greatest AI semi, but it was intense and tough. Donegal's amount of hand-passing and their defensive game wasn't any worse than what alot of other teams do. It worked until the last few minutes, but it was their failure to get quick ball into their forward line that was their downfall in the end.
Tyrone v Kerry in 2003 was 10 times worse than this game.
Jesus Christ Benny. You didnt get that "Cake" in amsterdam by any chance did ya?
Nope, Vienna ;)
Quote from: BennyCake on August 30, 2011, 11:45:33 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on August 30, 2011, 11:25:20 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 30, 2011, 10:19:13 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 30, 2011, 06:13:41 PM
6 of Dublin's 8 scores came from frees how many would you say were actually fouls?
None (couldn't see the last free decision though).
Barry Cahill should have got red for that challenge on Karl Lacey.
To be honest, the game wasn't as bad as people are making out. It wasn't the greatest AI semi, but it was intense and tough. Donegal's amount of hand-passing and their defensive game wasn't any worse than what alot of other teams do. It worked until the last few minutes, but it was their failure to get quick ball into their forward line that was their downfall in the end.
Tyrone v Kerry in 2003 was 10 times worse than this game.
Name 1 other team that plays with 14 men behind the ball for the entire match.
Most teams go ultra-defensive at times these days. Donegal didn't have enough forwards up, thats true, but it wasn't always 14 men behind the ball. Cork, Dublin, Kerry, Kildare, Mayo, Laois, Armagh, Tyrone, Down have all been known to get numbers behind the ball and hand-pass their way out of trouble.
Donegal will learn from this. They'll be a better side next year. Look at Tyrone. They were super-defensive in 2003 to win Sam, but became a better team afterwards (ouch, that hurt!).
Exactly look at Tyrone. Cavanagh... McGuigan....Canavan... Dooher... Mugsy....O'Neill.....etc
Cynical ..... dour ... divers sometimes but absolutely class attacking footballers.
Where in the name of God has that abomination that was Donegal on Sunday got forwards to match the above?
Even when Tyrone were on the up and ultra defensive where did they ever score so little in a top end championship match in croker?
Where did they ever show such lack of ambition?
In 2003 they didnt just try to stop Kerry they also hammered them on the scoreboard.
NO COMPARISON.
Quote from: ross matt on August 30, 2011, 11:54:19 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 30, 2011, 11:45:33 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on August 30, 2011, 11:25:20 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 30, 2011, 10:19:13 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 30, 2011, 06:13:41 PM
6 of Dublin's 8 scores came from frees how many would you say were actually fouls?
None (couldn't see the last free decision though).
Barry Cahill should have got red for that challenge on Karl Lacey.
To be honest, the game wasn't as bad as people are making out. It wasn't the greatest AI semi, but it was intense and tough. Donegal's amount of hand-passing and their defensive game wasn't any worse than what alot of other teams do. It worked until the last few minutes, but it was their failure to get quick ball into their forward line that was their downfall in the end.
Tyrone v Kerry in 2003 was 10 times worse than this game.
Name 1 other team that plays with 14 men behind the ball for the entire match.
Most teams go ultra-defensive at times these days. Donegal didn't have enough forwards up, thats true, but it wasn't always 14 men behind the ball. Cork, Dublin, Kerry, Kildare, Mayo, Laois, Armagh, Tyrone, Down have all been known to get numbers behind the ball and hand-pass their way out of trouble.
Donegal will learn from this. They'll be a better side next year. Look at Tyrone. They were super-defensive in 2003 to win Sam, but became a better team afterwards (ouch, that hurt!).
Exactly look at Tyrone. Cavanagh... McGuigan....Canavan... Dooher... Mugsy....O'Neill.....etc
Cynical ..... dour ... divers sometimes but absolutely class attacking footballers.
Where in the name of God has that abomination that was Donegal on Sunday got forwards to match the above?
Even when Tyrone were on the up and ultra defensive where did they ever score so little in a top end championship match in croker?
Where did they ever show such lack of ambition?
In 2003 they didnt just try to stop Kerry they also hammered them on the scoreboard.
NO COMPARISON.
They also only conceded 0-6 v Kerry in 2003. Wasn't that ultra-defensive? Didn't you see that match? They also only scored 0-12 to win the All Ireland. When was the last time 0-12 won the AI final? You'd have to go back a long time.
Donegal do have fantastic forwards, such as McFadden, Murphy, McBrearty, Toye, Hegarty, Molloy, McHugh. They just didn't use them right.
Quote from: BennyCake on August 31, 2011, 12:04:36 AM
Quote from: ross matt on August 30, 2011, 11:54:19 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 30, 2011, 11:45:33 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on August 30, 2011, 11:25:20 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 30, 2011, 10:19:13 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 30, 2011, 06:13:41 PM
6 of Dublin's 8 scores came from frees how many would you say were actually fouls?
None (couldn't see the last free decision though).
Barry Cahill should have got red for that challenge on Karl Lacey.
To be honest, the game wasn't as bad as people are making out. It wasn't the greatest AI semi, but it was intense and tough. Donegal's amount of hand-passing and their defensive game wasn't any worse than what alot of other teams do. It worked until the last few minutes, but it was their failure to get quick ball into their forward line that was their downfall in the end.
Tyrone v Kerry in 2003 was 10 times worse than this game.
Name 1 other team that plays with 14 men behind the ball for the entire match.
Most teams go ultra-defensive at times these days. Donegal didn't have enough forwards up, thats true, but it wasn't always 14 men behind the ball. Cork, Dublin, Kerry, Kildare, Mayo, Laois, Armagh, Tyrone, Down have all been known to get numbers behind the ball and hand-pass their way out of trouble.
Donegal will learn from this. They'll be a better side next year. Look at Tyrone. They were super-defensive in 2003 to win Sam, but became a better team afterwards (ouch, that hurt!).
Exactly look at Tyrone. Cavanagh... McGuigan....Canavan... Dooher... Mugsy....O'Neill.....etc
Cynical ..... dour ... divers sometimes but absolutely class attacking footballers.
Where in the name of God has that abomination that was Donegal on Sunday got forwards to match the above?
Even when Tyrone were on the up and ultra defensive where did they ever score so little in a top end championship match in croker?
Where did they ever show such lack of ambition?
In 2003 they didnt just try to stop Kerry they also hammered them on the scoreboard.
NO COMPARISON.
They also only conceded 0-6 v Kerry in 2003. Wasn't that ultra-defensive? Didn't you see that match? They also only scored 0-12 to win the All Ireland. When was the last time 0-12 won the AI final? You'd have to go back a long time.
Donegal do have fantastic forwards, such as McFadden, Murphy, McBrearty, Toye, Hegarty, Molloy, McHugh. They just didn't use them right.
They only conceded 0-5 versus Fermanagh in the 2003 QF, that must have been hyper-defensive by your reckoning? They still managed to find the time to knock over 1-21 themselves.
Derry 1-5 Tyrone 0-17
Antrim 1-9 Tyrone 1-17
Down 4-8 Tyrone 1-17
Down 1-5 Tyrone 1-17
Ferm 0-05 Tyrone 1-21
Kerry 0-6 Tyrone 0-13
Armagh 0-9 Tyrone 0-12
Scoring average 18 points per game over 7 games.
If that team had attacked they'd have been dangerous!
Quote from: tyssam5 on August 31, 2011, 04:52:41 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 31, 2011, 12:04:36 AM
Quote from: ross matt on August 30, 2011, 11:54:19 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 30, 2011, 11:45:33 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on August 30, 2011, 11:25:20 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 30, 2011, 10:19:13 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 30, 2011, 06:13:41 PM
6 of Dublin's 8 scores came from frees how many would you say were actually fouls?
None (couldn't see the last free decision though).
Barry Cahill should have got red for that challenge on Karl Lacey.
To be honest, the game wasn't as bad as people are making out. It wasn't the greatest AI semi, but it was intense and tough. Donegal's amount of hand-passing and their defensive game wasn't any worse than what alot of other teams do. It worked until the last few minutes, but it was their failure to get quick ball into their forward line that was their downfall in the end.
Tyrone v Kerry in 2003 was 10 times worse than this game.
Name 1 other team that plays with 14 men behind the ball for the entire match.
Most teams go ultra-defensive at times these days. Donegal didn't have enough forwards up, thats true, but it wasn't always 14 men behind the ball. Cork, Dublin, Kerry, Kildare, Mayo, Laois, Armagh, Tyrone, Down have all been known to get numbers behind the ball and hand-pass their way out of trouble.
Donegal will learn from this. They'll be a better side next year. Look at Tyrone. They were super-defensive in 2003 to win Sam, but became a better team afterwards (ouch, that hurt!).
Exactly look at Tyrone. Cavanagh... McGuigan....Canavan... Dooher... Mugsy....O'Neill.....etc
Cynical ..... dour ... divers sometimes but absolutely class attacking footballers.
Where in the name of God has that abomination that was Donegal on Sunday got forwards to match the above?
Even when Tyrone were on the up and ultra defensive where did they ever score so little in a top end championship match in croker?
Where did they ever show such lack of ambition?
In 2003 they didnt just try to stop Kerry they also hammered them on the scoreboard.
NO COMPARISON.
They also only conceded 0-6 v Kerry in 2003. Wasn't that ultra-defensive? Didn't you see that match? They also only scored 0-12 to win the All Ireland. When was the last time 0-12 won the AI final? You'd have to go back a long time.
Donegal do have fantastic forwards, such as McFadden, Murphy, McBrearty, Toye, Hegarty, Molloy, McHugh. They just didn't use them right.
They only conceded 0-5 versus Fermanagh in the 2003 QF, that must have been hyper-defensive by your reckoning? They still managed to find the time to knock over 1-21 themselves.
Derry 1-5 Tyrone 0-17
Antrim 1-9 Tyrone 1-17
Down 4-8 Tyrone 1-17
Down 1-5 Tyrone 1-17
Ferm 0-05 Tyrone 1-21
Kerry 0-6 Tyrone 0-13
Armagh 0-9 Tyrone 0-12
Scoring average 18 points per game over 7 games.
If that team had attacked they'd have been dangerous!
Of course a pure attacking football team such as Kerry in 2009, even though their average was undoubtedly hampered by meeting such defence minded outfits as Sligo and Antrim could show how to rack up scores in relation to the famous puke football team.
0 12 Cork
0 14 Sligo
2 12 Antrim
1 24 Dublin
2 8 Meath
0 16 Cork
An average of 16.8 points/game. Hmmmmmm? My calculator must be broke.
Benny - I have seen donegal in the flesh 2 times in this yrs championship against Cavan and derry. In both those games they played 14 men behind the ball for the entire match whenever the opposition had the ball. No team has done this before and it will kill football if it is allowed to be copied by others.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 30, 2011, 06:56:18 PM
Quote from: Canalman on August 30, 2011, 03:23:15 PM
In fairness I have to say that technically Donegal players were immense. Their handling/ skill levels were faultless and McGuinness will have to be credited for that.
As for their tactics , not for me to comment either way as I am not from Donegal. Presume it will be "tweaked" next season.
242 handpasses. With 6 months and a group of monkeys I could train them to do that. Genius technically alright.
Sure that's what Gilroy and McGuinness have done ;)
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on August 30, 2011, 04:53:10 PM
The penny drops now. Was your course leader talking about bringing the ball forward for dissent Lynchboy by any chance? ::)
Yes, I believe that should only be done once - it is not a new free kick but the original free kick moved forward:
RULE 6 - DISSENT
6.3 To show dissent with the referee's decision to
award a free kick to the opposing team.
PENALTY - The free kick already awarded
shall be taken 13m more advantageous
than the place of original kick - up to
opponents' 13m line.
Further dissent on an occasion shall be
considered as a breach of Rule 6.1 and
shall be penalised accordingly.
But we weren't talking about bringing Dublin's free forward for dissent ;)
If this is correct then I stand corrected. I did say that I was open to correction earlier .
Is that rule book the latest version?
I presume it is, if so then it must be about dissent that I am remembering.
Are you sure that the second 'ball move' against Donegal wasnt dissent?
either way it wasnt in a scoring area. Deegan got plenty more wrong in the game and imo we need video technology, hawkeye to help the referees as it is now impossible to fully and correctly ref a game at senior level. I've been calling for video technology for a couple of years now. Must do a Fearon and write to croker!
(With apologies to Hanrahan)
"We'll all be ruined," said Muppet,
In accent most forlorn,
Outside the church, ere Mass began,
One frosty Sunday morn.
The congregation stood around,
Coat-collars to the ears,
And talked of games and players sound,
As it had done for years.
"It's looking rough," said Kerry Mike;
"Bedad, it's rough, me lad,
For never since the banks went broke
Has football been so bad."
"It's bad, all right," said Take Your Points,
With which astute remark
He squatted down upon his heel
And chewed a piece of bark.
And so around the chorus ran
"It's gettin' worse, no doubt."
"We'll all be ruined," said Muppet,
"Before the year is out."
"The sport is f***ed; ye'll have your work
To see one dacent game;
From here way out to Kiltimagh
They sing the same refrain.
"They sing the same refrain," he said,
And look around and cry."
The congregation scratched its head,
And gazed around the sky.
"Fourteen men behind the ball”,
Said the man from sweet Strabane
“The like was never seen before
By either God or man.”
"Something must be done to stop it”,
Cried Sheehy from the reek
"We'll all be ruined," said Muppet,
"If it isn’t done this week."
A heavy silence seemed to steal
On all at this remark;
And each man squatted on his heel,
And chewed a piece of bark.
"We want a change of rule, we do,"
Ross Matt observed at last;
But Myles maintained we wanted two
To put the danger past.
"If we don't get five changes, man,
Or ten to stamp this out,
We'll all be ruined," said Muppet,
"Before the year is out."
In God's good time the final came;
And all the afternoon
The points were scored, and Kerry roared
- A sweet and homely tune.
But Kerry wouldn’t stop the rout
They scored near thirty scores
Till Dublin’s boys were beaten out
Through windows, gates and doors.
And through the night they nattered still,
And fearful, dour-faced elves
On streets and stairs and barroom chairs
Kept talking to themselves.
Then every heart took up the song
Way out to Kiltimagh.
"We'll all be ruined," said Muppet,
"If Kerry aren’t stopped."
And still the year went by and by
As every other goes
And soon the spring came o’er the fields
And football talk arose.
And, oh, the smiles on every face,
As happy lad and lass
Through grass knee-deep in every place
Went riding down to Mass.
While round the church in clothes genteel
Discoursed the men of mark,
And each man squatted on his heel,
And chewed his piece of bark.
"There'll be something bad for sure, me man,
There will, without a doubt;
We'll all be ruined," said Muppet,
"Before the year is out."
Quote from: BennyCake on August 30, 2011, 10:19:13 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 30, 2011, 06:13:41 PM
6 of Dublin's 8 scores came from frees how many would you say were actually fouls?
None (couldn't see the last free decision though).
Barry Cahill should have got red for that challenge on Karl Lacey.
To be honest, the game wasn't as bad as people are making out. It wasn't the greatest AI semi, but it was intense and tough. Donegal's amount of hand-passing and their defensive game wasn't any worse than what alot of other teams do. It worked until the last few minutes, but it was their failure to get quick ball into their forward line that was their downfall in the end.
Tyrone v Kerry in 2003 was 10 times worse than this game.
what have you got against dublin? Every post has has been antidublin
I enjoyed the game.
We'll all be ruined, Hardy has invoked the curse of the verse.
Hardy's position is clear. Meath 87-91 and Meath 95-99 were perceived as negative teams so one can understand their sensitivity on this subject....... deja vue and all ::)...but nothing changes the fact that Donegals effort was a complete assault on the spirit of the game and the sooner we reject Meath('87-91), Tyrone (2003-2008), Donegal (2011) the better the game will be.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 31, 2011, 11:31:55 AM
Hardy's position is clear. Meath 87-91 and Meath 95-99 were perceived as negative teams so one can understand their sensitivity on this subject....... deja vue and all ::)...but nothing changes the fact that Donegals effort was a complete assault on the spirit of the game and the sooner we reject Meath('87-91), Tyrone (2003-2008), Donegal (2011) the better the game will be.
Can we also include Kerry 2004 - Present on that list as it includes Galvin's assault on the spirit of the game and sometimes Referee's and other players??!!!!
It would also include William Kirby's attack on Brian McGuigan in the 05 final which went unpunished.
Quote from: screenexile on August 31, 2011, 11:36:15 AM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 31, 2011, 11:31:55 AM
Hardy's position is clear. Meath 87-91 and Meath 95-99 were perceived as negative teams so one can understand their sensitivity on this subject....... deja vue and all ::)...but nothing changes the fact that Donegals effort was a complete assault on the spirit of the game and the sooner we reject Meath('87-91), Tyrone (2003-2008), Donegal (2011) the better the game will be.
Can we also include Kerry 2004 - Present on that list as it includes Galvin's assault on the spirit of the game and sometimes Referee's and other players??!!!!
But Galvin is so trendy, he is just so now
Quote from: tyssam5 on August 31, 2011, 04:52:41 AM
They only conceded 0-5 versus Fermanagh in the 2003 QF, that must have been hyper-defensive by your reckoning? They still managed to find the time to knock over 1-21 themselves.
Derry 1-5 Tyrone 0-17
Antrim 1-9 Tyrone 1-17
Down 4-8 Tyrone 1-17
Down 1-5 Tyrone 1-17
Ferm 0-05 Tyrone 1-21
Kerry 0-6 Tyrone 0-13
Armagh 0-9 Tyrone 0-12
Scoring average 18 points per game over 7 games.
If that team had attacked they'd have been dangerous!
Tyrone beat Down 0-23 to 1-5 in the 2003 Ulster Final replay.
They drew with Derry 0-12 to 1-9 in that year's first round. The 0-17 to 1-5 score quoted above was the score in the replay.
and lets not forget Tagh Kennelly assult on Murphy at the start of the All Ireland final which he confessed to as being pre planned
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 31, 2011, 11:31:55 AM
Hardy's position is clear. Meath 87-91 and Meath 95-99 were perceived as negative teams so one can understand their sensitivity on this subject....... deja vue and all ::)...but nothing changes the fact that Donegals effort was a complete assault on the spirit of the game and the sooner we reject Meath('87-91), Tyrone (2003-2008), Donegal (2011) the better the game will be.
What is the spirit of the game?
Good man Hardy, apocalyptic football forestalled! :D
Quote from: sheamy on August 31, 2011, 12:29:02 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 31, 2011, 11:31:55 AM
Hardy's position is clear. Meath 87-91 and Meath 95-99 were perceived as negative teams so one can understand their sensitivity on this subject....... deja vue and all ::)...but nothing changes the fact that Donegals effort was a complete assault on the spirit of the game and the sooner we reject Meath('87-91), Tyrone (2003-2008), Donegal (2011) the better the game will be.
What is the spirit of the game?
What he means Sheamy, is that teams even when they know the opposition have better attackers and better footballers they should still go out and play toe to toe, get a beating but atleast they put up a good display of football in the spirit of the game! Boxing should be done like this aswell, screw it if the boy has a massive punch get stuck in there go toe to toe in the spirit of the sport. In fact wars should all be fought like this in "the spirit of war" wee small rebel armies abandon their guerilla tactics and just go for it, it would make for great viewing, and sure no body really cares about the result.
has anyone recorded the game? i've a brother who was abroad and couldn't catch it.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 31, 2011, 11:31:55 AM
Hardy's position is clear. Meath 87-91 and Meath 95-99 were perceived as negative teams so one can understand their sensitivity on this subject....... deja vue and all ::)...but nothing changes the fact that Donegals effort was a complete assault on the spirit of the game and the sooner we reject Meath('87-91), Tyrone (2003-2008), Donegal (2011) the better the game will be.
Why Meath '87-91?
They weren't anymore negative than any other team of that era.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 31, 2011, 11:31:55 AM
Hardy's position is clear. Meath 87-91 and Meath 95-99 were perceived as negative teams
Aw shucks, sometimes you can't help being nice, ya big lug.
Quote from: cadence on August 31, 2011, 01:00:51 PM
has anyone recorded the game? i've a brother who was abroad and couldn't catch it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6SeR_0If-E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6SeR_0If-E)
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 31, 2011, 01:13:30 PM
Quote from: cadence on August 31, 2011, 01:00:51 PM
has anyone recorded the game? i've a brother who was abroad and couldn't catch it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6SeR_0If-E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6SeR_0If-E)
:D
behave yourself
Quote from: cadence on August 31, 2011, 02:39:43 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 31, 2011, 01:13:30 PM
Quote from: cadence on August 31, 2011, 01:00:51 PM
has anyone recorded the game? i've a brother who was abroad and couldn't catch it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6SeR_0If-E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6SeR_0If-E)
:D
behave yourself
I have it recorded, but think it should be available on the RTE player after Wednesday for the rest of the world, but will be gone from the RTE player by this Sunday as I think they only stay 7 days.
But if you want a DVD copy of it drop me a PM and I am sure we can sort something out.
Quote from: Goldengreen on August 31, 2011, 05:29:27 PM
Quote from: cadence on August 31, 2011, 02:39:43 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 31, 2011, 01:13:30 PM
Quote from: cadence on August 31, 2011, 01:00:51 PM
has anyone recorded the game? i've a brother who was abroad and couldn't catch it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6SeR_0If-E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6SeR_0If-E)
:D
behave yourself
I have it recorded, but think it should be available on the RTE player after Wednesday for the rest of the world, but will be gone from the RTE player by this Sunday as I think they only stay 7 days.
But if you want a DVD copy of it drop me a PM and I am sure we can sort something out.
thanks Goldengreen, you're a star. czech ur pms.
Quote from: Hardy on August 31, 2011, 10:07:51 AM
(With apologies to Hanrahan)
"We'll all be ruined," said Muppet,
In accent most forlorn,
Outside the church, ere Mass began,
One frosty Sunday morn.
The congregation stood around,
Coat-collars to the ears,
And talked of games and players sound,
As it had done for years.
"It's looking rough," said Kerry Mike;
"Bedad, it's rough, me lad,
For never since the banks went broke
Has football been so bad."
"It's bad, all right," said Take Your Points,
With which astute remark
He squatted down upon his heel
And chewed a piece of bark.
And so around the chorus ran
"It's gettin' worse, no doubt."
"We'll all be ruined," said Muppet,
"Before the year is out."
"The sport is f***ed; ye'll have your work
To see one dacent game;
From here way out to Kiltimagh
They sing the same refrain.
"They sing the same refrain," he said,
And look around and cry."
The congregation scratched its head,
And gazed around the sky.
"Fourteen men behind the ball",
Said the man from sweet Strabane
"The like was never seen before
By either God or man."
"Something must be done to stop it",
Cried Sheehy from the reek
"We'll all be ruined," said Muppet,
"If it isn't done this week."
A heavy silence seemed to steal
On all at this remark;
And each man squatted on his heel,
And chewed a piece of bark.
"We want a change of rule, we do,"
Ross Matt observed at last;
But Myles maintained we wanted two
To put the danger past.
"If we don't get five changes, man,
Or ten to stamp this out,
We'll all be ruined," said Muppet,
"Before the year is out."
In God's good time the final came;
And all the afternoon
The points were scored, and Kerry roared
- A sweet and homely tune.
But Kerry wouldn't stop the rout
They scored near thirty scores
Till Dublin's boys were beaten out
Through windows, gates and doors.
And through the night they nattered still,
And fearful, dour-faced elves
On streets and stairs and barroom chairs
Kept talking to themselves.
Then every heart took up the song
Way out to Kiltimagh.
"We'll all be ruined," said Muppet,
"If Kerry aren't stopped."
And still the year went by and by
As every other goes
And soon the spring came o'er the fields
And football talk arose.
And, oh, the smiles on every face,
As happy lad and lass
Through grass knee-deep in every place
Went riding down to Mass.
While round the church in clothes genteel
Discoursed the men of mark,
And each man squatted on his heel,
And chewed his piece of bark.
"There'll be something bad for sure, me man,
There will, without a doubt;
We'll all be ruined," said Muppet,
"Before the year is out."
Waaaaayyyyy too much time on your hands Hardy.. :D
Connolly has had his Red card rescinded!! He is free to play in the final!
Quote from: Cityslickr on September 05, 2011, 10:37:26 PM
Connolly has had his Red card rescinded!! He is free to play in the final!
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=20090.150
In other news man walks on moon.
Lol, spot the new guy eh! ;D
I wonder if Pat Spillane thought that the Irish team were playing ' Shi-ite ' football in Moscow !