Does anyone have a link to a website that shows the match attendances of the current National League Campaign?
obiviously no takers here oakleaf, i was hoping someone could post them. then again how could they when the gaa dont have a clue. there were 3 of us going to the kerry v westmeath game a few weeks ago the price was 13 pp but the guy on the turnstile said e35 for the 3 was fine. and we didnt even ask for a reduction! some system that.... :o
Uusally in the Irish News with the match report they show the attendance figures butcan find any other league attendances other than the one in Croke Park.
There was an article in the Indo about it last week, Dublin & Mayo where far ahead of everyone else on home game attendances. That wasn't bad for Mayo as we played only one game in McHale Park & we are a bit less inflated than we used to be. Mayo & Dublin where significantly ahead of everyone else. With Cavan in third a good bit above the next county. Thats just football though. I think Galway had good hurling support.
With the pops. as > 1'st Dublin 1,187,176, > 17'th Mayo 123,839 & > 25'th Cavan 64,003, it's worth noting the Dubs have alot better hardcore support than people give them credit for & that the Mayo & Cavan supported base punchs far above their weights, but then again everyone knows Mayo & Cavan got a great support base.
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on April 17, 2009, 08:49:57 PM
Does anyone have a link to a website that shows the match attendances of the current National League Campaign?
Because I'm such a super guy Oak, I've contacted the GAA HQ for you and they will hopefully email me some figures before the weekend. Once I get them, I'll post them here for you to see.
BTW, still wouldn't go near you with a barge pole, so don't be getting your hopes up!
According to local paper
NHL
LAST WEEK
Tyronev louth
Approx attendence 85
The Indo article referred to last years attendances, so the home and away games were different.
kerry games very well attended this league, the 7 games they played average at least 8k, doubt any other team pulled in that many (if we exclude dubs v ty)
Quote from: Son_of_Sam on April 22, 2009, 10:17:15 PM
There was an article in the Indo about it last week, Dublin & Mayo where far ahead of everyone else on home game attendances. That wasn't bad for Mayo as we played only one game in McHale Park & we are a bit less inflated than we used to be. Mayo & Dublin where significantly ahead of everyone else. With Cavan in third a good bit above the next county. Thats just football though. I think Galway had good hurling support.
With the pops. as > 1'st Dublin 1,187,176, > 17'th Mayo 123,839 & > 25'th Cavan 64,003, it's worth noting the Dubs have alot better hardcore support than people give them credit for & that the Mayo & Cavan supported base punchs far above their weights, but then again everyone knows Mayo & Cavan got a great support base.
Quick rewind there - where's Monaghan? Monaghan has a population of 55,997, significantly lower than Cavan (and obviously Mayo and Dublin), yet were
ahead of Cavan in home attendences. Relative to population, Monaghan fared better to any of the three you mention surely?
Anyway, i assume the article below if the one you were referring to - i just found it strange that you mentioned 3 of the counties and not the 4.
And what's with Mayo only playing one game in McHale Park? Did they not play their 3 homes games there - Kerry, Galway and Donegal?
QuoteFans' devotion to boys in blue confirmed by loyalty trends
By Martin Breheny
Thursday April 16 2009
DUBLIN, Mayo, Monaghan and Cavan have the highest number of loyal football supporters in the country while Kilkenny, Tipperary, Limerick and Galway head the devotion list in hurling, according to receipts from league games.
The figures are based on average gates for home games in the 2008 competitions.
The returns for the 2008 Leagues also show that Division 2 yielded only €7,500 less than Division 1 in football and that between them they yielded a total of €1.52m. Divisions 3 and 4 combined brought in €387,000.
Division 1 of the NHL returned €1.1m while the three lower divisions grossed just €42,000 between them. Hurling finals out-performed football by €51,000 across the four divisions.
The highest-earning divisional games in football were Dublin v Meath (€80,545) and Dublin v Monaghan (€80,382). Both were Division 2 games but comfortably out-stripped the top two in Division 1 (Donegal v Derry, €58,610 and Galway v Mayo, €41,229). Mayo were well ahead of the rest in Division 1 but were lucky that two of their three games features clashed with 2007 All-Ireland champions, Kerry and Galway.
On the basis that supporters who attend league games are more loyal than the summer brigade who turn out for the championships only, the average home gate is a reasonable indicator of loyalty trends.
The huge population imbalances between various counties also has to be taken into account when assessing loyalty figures.
Monaghan had a solid campaign in Division 2, eventually losing out on promotion on the final day while Cavan were relegated. However, Monaghan averaged almost €34,000 in home gate receipts while Cavan reached €31,647.
That's considerably more than all of the Division 1 teams with the exception of Mayo who averaged €41,229. Cavan and Monaghan beat Tyrone, Kerry, Galway, Kildare, Donegal and Derry.
Dublin led the way nationally from Division 2, averaging €49,000 while Wexford, who were promoted, topped Division 3 on €15,498. Wicklow were the biggest home draw in Division 4, averaging €4,136 per game.
Kilkenny and Tipperary led the way in hurling, followed by Limerick, Galway and Wexford. The highest receipts at a Division 1 NHL group game was recorded at Nowlan Park where patrons paid €75,647 for the Kilkenny v Waterford clash while the lowest was €5,100 at Offaly-Clare.
The full house in Croke Park for the Dublin-Tyrone NFL game last January will give this year's figures a major boost but it now remains to be seen how much the Division 1 (Kerry v Derry) and Division 2 (Cork v Monaghan) finals will yield at Croke Park on Sunday week. It's unlikely that the crowd will exceed 25,000. However, that would be a major improvement on last year where less than 10,000 attended.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/fans-devotion-to-boys-in-blue-confirmed-by-loyalty-trends-1710085.html
QuoteMonaghan has a population of 55,997, significantly lower than Cavan (and obviously Mayo and Dublin), yet were ahead of Cavan in home attendences.
Yes, but the attendances were inflated by travelling supporters, e.g. Armagh people going to the game in Clones.. while Cavan played in Cross'. The structure of home and away game is important, the attendance at Cork v Monaghan this year would be good guide as there were few from Cork.
Quote from: armaghniac on April 22, 2009, 11:50:38 PM
QuoteMonaghan has a population of 55,997, significantly lower than Cavan (and obviously Mayo and Dublin), yet were ahead of Cavan in home attendences.
Yes, but the attendances were inflated by travelling supporters, e.g. Armagh people going to the game in Clones.. while Cavan played in Cross'. The structure of home and away game is important, the attendance at Cork v Monaghan this year would be good guide as there were few from Cork.
Of course it's no exact science. Mayo had Galway in Castlebar, Cavan had Monaghan in Cavan, - there's always going to be some influence with respect to distance of travelling fans. Monaghan also had Roscommon and Westmeath at home last year, both of whom had very little travelling support.
Incidently, Monaghan v Cork this year was a pretty big crowd and when Monaghan played Cork last year
in Cork, they significantly outnumbered the home support (not that that's a major achievement in itself).
Anyone know what Derry v Tyrone was, I'm sure it has to be in the region of 5,000?
It's a great feeling to see the Dublin cash cow being flogged for all it's worth.
Quote from: Main Street on April 23, 2009, 09:56:45 AM
It's a great feeling to see the Dublin cash cow being flogged for all it's worth.
Sure that is what the Dubs are there for. Too generate revenue and get called scum bags .
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 23, 2009, 12:09:05 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on April 22, 2009, 11:50:38 PM
QuoteMonaghan has a population of 55,997, significantly lower than Cavan (and obviously Mayo and Dublin), yet were ahead of Cavan in home attendences.
Yes, but the attendances were inflated by travelling supporters, e.g. Armagh people going to the game in Clones.. while Cavan played in Cross'. The structure of home and away game is important, the attendance at Cork v Monaghan this year would be good guide as there were few from Cork.
Of course it's no exact science. Mayo had Galway in Castlebar, Cavan had Monaghan in Cavan, - there's always going to be some influence with respect to distance of travelling fans. Monaghan also had Roscommon and Westmeath at home last year, both of whom had very little travelling support.
Incidently, Monaghan v Cork this year was a pretty big crowd and when Monaghan played Cork last year in Cork, they significantly outnumbered the home support (not that that's a major achievement in itself).
In 2009 Mayo played Galway in Tuam,
MAYO DID NOT PLAY GALWAY IN CASTLEBAR OR ANY OTHER MAYO VENUE, the fact that we bet them in
Tuam, COUNTY GALWAY made it even sweeter. Mayo played Donegal in Ballina <Tiny Ground>, played Westmeath (What a crowd drawer) in Charlestown <Even Smaller than Ballina>, played Dublin in Ballina <Tiny Ground>. Donegal, Westmeath & Dubllin are not that close to Mayo & all have terrible transport connections to Mayo. Tyrone is the only game Mayo had in McHale park in 2009
(this current league as per the origional post)
Quote from: Son_of_Sam on April 23, 2009, 02:33:25 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 23, 2009, 12:09:05 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on April 22, 2009, 11:50:38 PM
QuoteMonaghan has a population of 55,997, significantly lower than Cavan (and obviously Mayo and Dublin), yet were ahead of Cavan in home attendences.
Yes, but the attendances were inflated by travelling supporters, e.g. Armagh people going to the game in Clones.. while Cavan played in Cross'. The structure of home and away game is important, the attendance at Cork v Monaghan this year would be good guide as there were few from Cork.
Of course it's no exact science. Mayo had Galway in Castlebar, Cavan had Monaghan in Cavan, - there's always going to be some influence with respect to distance of travelling fans. Monaghan also had Roscommon and Westmeath at home last year, both of whom had very little travelling support.
Incidently, Monaghan v Cork this year was a pretty big crowd and when Monaghan played Cork last year in Cork, they significantly outnumbered the home support (not that that's a major achievement in itself).
In 2009 Mayo played Galway in Tuam, MAYO DID NOT PLAY GALWAY IN CASTLEBAR OR ANY OTHER MAYO VENUE, the fact that we bet them in Tuam, COUNTY GALWAY made it even sweeter. Mayo played Donegal in Ballina <Tiny Ground>, played Westmeath (What a crowd drawer) in Charlestown <Even Smaller than Ballina>, played Dublin in Ballina <Tiny Ground>. Donegal, Westmeath & Dubllin are not that close to Mayo & all have terrible transport connections to Mayo. Tyrone is the only game Mayo had in McHale park in 2009 (this current league as per the origional post)
I'm talking about 2008 as the article and stats
you referred to related to
2008.
2009 figures have not been published, so we can hardly credibly comment on what Mayo's (or any other county's) attendances were like for this year in comparison to other counties.
Quote from: Son_of_Sam on April 23, 2009, 02:33:25 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 23, 2009, 12:09:05 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on April 22, 2009, 11:50:38 PM
QuoteMonaghan has a population of 55,997, significantly lower than Cavan (and obviously Mayo and Dublin), yet were ahead of Cavan in home attendences.
Yes, but the attendances were inflated by travelling supporters, e.g. Armagh people going to the game in Clones.. while Cavan played in Cross'. The structure of home and away game is important, the attendance at Cork v Monaghan this year would be good guide as there were few from Cork.
Of course it's no exact science. Mayo had Galway in Castlebar, Cavan had Monaghan in Cavan, - there's always going to be some influence with respect to distance of travelling fans. Monaghan also had Roscommon and Westmeath at home last year, both of whom had very little travelling support.
Incidently, Monaghan v Cork this year was a pretty big crowd and when Monaghan played Cork last year in Cork, they significantly outnumbered the home support (not that that's a major achievement in itself).
In 2009 Mayo played Galway in Tuam, MAYO DID NOT PLAY GALWAY IN CASTLEBAR OR ANY OTHER MAYO VENUE, the fact that we bet them in Tuam, COUNTY GALWAY made it even sweeter. Mayo played Donegal in Ballina <Tiny Ground>, played Westmeath (What a crowd drawer) in Charlestown <Even Smaller than Ballina>, played Dublin in Ballina <Tiny Ground>. Donegal, Westmeath & Dubllin are not that close to Mayo & all have terrible transport connections to Mayo. Tyrone is the only game Mayo had in McHale park in 2009 (this current league as per the origional post)
Mayo played and drew with Donegal in Letterkenny, Derry we played in Ballina and lost in the opening fixture.
Maguire - Listen, Monaghan will never be Cavan. They'll never have the fan base, the history, the Ulsters the all irelands. We have nicer fields, bigger lakes - ye just can't compete. Ye should just give up now and not be so bitter :D
Quote from: mylestheslasher on April 23, 2009, 09:32:36 PM
Maguire - Listen, Monaghan will never be Cavan.
Thank F00k for that, end of story.
Quote from: dodo on April 23, 2009, 04:46:26 PM
Quote from: Son_of_Sam on April 23, 2009, 02:33:25 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 23, 2009, 12:09:05 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on April 22, 2009, 11:50:38 PM
QuoteMonaghan has a population of 55,997, significantly lower than Cavan (and obviously Mayo and Dublin), yet were ahead of Cavan in home attendences.
Yes, but the attendances were inflated by travelling supporters, e.g. Armagh people going to the game in Clones.. while Cavan played in Cross'. The structure of home and away game is important, the attendance at Cork v Monaghan this year would be good guide as there were few from Cork.
Of course it's no exact science. Mayo had Galway in Castlebar, Cavan had Monaghan in Cavan, - there's always going to be some influence with respect to distance of travelling fans. Monaghan also had Roscommon and Westmeath at home last year, both of whom had very little travelling support.
Incidently, Monaghan v Cork this year was a pretty big crowd and when Monaghan played Cork last year in Cork, they significantly outnumbered the home support (not that that's a major achievement in itself).
In 2009 Mayo played Galway in Tuam, MAYO DID NOT PLAY GALWAY IN CASTLEBAR OR ANY OTHER MAYO VENUE, the fact that we bet them in Tuam, COUNTY GALWAY made it even sweeter. Mayo played Donegal in Ballina <Tiny Ground>, played Westmeath (What a crowd drawer) in Charlestown <Even Smaller than Ballina>, played Dublin in Ballina <Tiny Ground>. Donegal, Westmeath & Dubllin are not that close to Mayo & all have terrible transport connections to Mayo. Tyrone is the only game Mayo had in McHale park in 2009 (this current league as per the origional post)
Mayo played and drew with Donegal in Letterkenny, Derry we played in Ballina and lost in the opening fixture.
Your right, a sure they are all from up thataways anyways ;D
Quote from: mylestheslasher on April 23, 2009, 09:32:36 PM
We have nicer fields, bigger lakes - ye just can't compete.
That hurts soooo much myles. :P
So, 20,545 at today's game, at a guess, made up as follows:
Monaghan - 10,000
Derry - 6,000
Kerry - 3,000
Cork - 1,545
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 26, 2009, 10:10:18 PM
So, 20,545 at today's game, at a guess, made up as follows:
Monaghan - 10,000
Derry - 6,000
Kerry - 3,000
Cork - 1,545
Was there many Kerry ones there for the presentation? We left after the game so didn't see it. Seen very few Kerry ones about, most support came from Ulster.
Very worrying downward trend in attendances generally this season, underlined by the meagre turnouts this weekend. If the powers that be do not wake up and smell the coffee, we could be facing serious problems in the near future, particularly giving the loss of revenue which will result when our Rugby and Soccer brethren stop using Croker. The competition formats and admission prices to our games, require serious examination.
Quote from: ziggysego on April 22, 2009, 10:33:51 PM
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on April 17, 2009, 08:49:57 PM
Does anyone have a link to a website that shows the match attendances of the current National League Campaign?
Because I'm such a super guy Oak, I've contacted the GAA HQ for you and they will hopefully email me some figures before the weekend. Once I get them, I'll post them here for you to see.
BTW, still wouldn't go near you with a barge pole, so don't be getting your hopes up!
My darling Oak, I'm a man of my word. The GAA got back to me and the attendances is on the following link:
http://www.gaa.ie/page/official_reports.html (http://www.gaa.ie/page/official_reports.html)
Quote from: ziggysego on April 27, 2009, 09:51:41 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on April 22, 2009, 10:33:51 PM
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on April 17, 2009, 08:49:57 PM
Does anyone have a link to a website that shows the match attendances of the current National League Campaign?
Because I'm such a super guy Oak, I've contacted the GAA HQ for you and they will hopefully email me some figures before the weekend. Once I get them, I'll post them here for you to see.
BTW, still wouldn't go near you with a barge pole, so don't be getting your hopes up!
My darling Oak, I'm a man of my word. The GAA got back to me and the attendances is on the following link:
http://www.gaa.ie/page/official_reports.html (http://www.gaa.ie/page/official_reports.html)
Where abouts ziggy, that only seems to up to 2008?
Quote from: Pangurban on April 27, 2009, 02:33:26 AM
Very worrying downward trend in attendances generally this season, underlined by the meagre turnouts this weekend. If the powers that be do not wake up and smell the coffee, we could be facing serious problems in the near future, particularly giving the loss of revenue which will result when our Rugby and Soccer brethren stop using Croker. The competition formats and admission prices to our games, require serious examination.
In what way is a increase on last years pathetic attendances a downward trend?
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on April 27, 2009, 11:28:46 AM
Where abouts ziggy, that only seems to up to 2008?
Good God, you're never satisfied woman!
You'll have to wait for the next annual report for the 2009 figures. Unfortunately that is all the GAA have online.
Ha, thanks ziggy.. :)
great point pangurban I concur totally. I also believe that there has been over emphasis on intercounty football over the last 10 years as being the GAA "product" with mere lipservice paid to club activity - ie the marginalisation by county boards intercounty fixture schedules of the club players seasons in regards to the intercounty standard bearers. The numbers in each club that became addicts to all things gaa are lowering all the time because they have been placed at the bottom of the GAA food chain by short term thinking among the leadership and therefore our greatest asset becomes disillusioned and disinterested enough to notice the high entrance prices and choose to miss that one or other. Take the example of Liam O Neills new rules - he deserves to be associated with them. They were simply not implementable at club level in league football, but did Liam consider that. Take TV sanctioning - is this implementable at club level or is not? We are trying to introduce sets of rules that could split gaelic football into 2 different games at the expense of club football. Liam showed he has no sense with his campaign and we need to remember that when the next series of votes are cast. To get back on to your point the GAA supporter brims with loyalty verging on madness for the club, county and simply the games and culture and would travel anywhere to see a good game regardless of who is involved. When I was growing up I went to as many Ulster championship games and club championship games no matter who was involved. That is a financial impossibility now, and for what - accumulating gate receipts for what and for whom? That type of person has issues the same as anyone in these troubled times and I believe their goodwill and committment has been abused by price fixers, fixture makers and a lack of reward for their loyalty etc. My advice to top level GAA and theres still 8 months of the years left is to use the GAA 125th year to sign up as many season ticket people for low priced high value tickets which would give a purchaser the ability to travel to games anywhere and to nurture their obsession and those coming behind them. The crowds arent there its obvious and without that mad loyalty that always existed to the GAA they will wane further.
Quote from: aroundincircles on April 22, 2009, 10:44:27 PM
According to local paper
NHL
LAST WEEK
Tyronev louth
Approx attendence 85
Shocking...
totally agree rrhf,as a man with two kids involved in club football with clubs getting it harder to generate funds find myself suppoerting more club fundraisers,have no problemwith this as without our clubs we have no gaa,butkids looking to go to championship games along with the missus,getting costly day out and although always been a good county supporter as well and with work and money alot tighter at the minute seriously thinking off missing county games this year,gaa seriously need to look at ticket prices,because the club will get my money before the county and id say this is the case with alot of families this year.
The problem with ticket prices are that the people who determine the prices never pay into a gaa match, be it club or county level.
The county board and ulster gaa administrators always get free passes into the games. They also have free tickets for their families at the county games.
Even down to club level they dont (actually refuse) to pay in.
i have been on the gate at our club for league games, where county board heads produce a card that allows them free entry to the league games. Cant say thats right. even when i'm doing the gate, i pay in!! it is only a €5.
If these lads had to pay for their family in, the true cost of the tickets would only then hit home.
No family tickets for this sunday's monaghan derry championship game is a disgrace.
Never seen as much disinterest in travelling to a championship game before, although Blayney was never a hotbed of Monaghan support really.
Probably to do with the cost and more so the negative publicity about it. When the County came out and said the prices where dear and unfair, they signed their own death knell on that one.
Also, as its on telly I'm sure alot will do with that.
Not travelling myself, first time in years I'll miss a match. Just not interested to be honest, hope they win and that but just don't feel excited about it to make the effort when I can watch it on Telly.
Will you be the first to complain if you can't get a ticket for the Ulster or All Irel final? ;)
Quote from: bingobus on May 22, 2009, 10:38:06 AM
Never seen as much disinterest in travelling to a championship game before, although Blayney was never a hotbed of Monaghan support really.
Probably to do with the cost and more so the negative publicity about it. When the County came out and said the prices where dear and unfair, they signed their own death knell on that one.
Also, as its on telly I'm sure alot will do with that.
Not travelling myself, first time in years I'll miss a match. Just not interested to be honest, hope they win and that but just don't feel excited about it to make the effort when I can watch it on Telly.
Indeed.
Jesus, I'd love to save some of the posts made in the last week or two and reproduce them when I hear some of these posters go on about how special the GAA is and how we follow the jersey and not the players (the next time professionalism is raised). Your county plays (maybe) a half a dozen championship games in a year and of those only two or three might be against a top team, yet we have lads saying they couldn't be bothered about going to Dublin/Meath and Monaghan/Derry. Ye should be ashamed of yerselves IMO, the same lads demand serious effort from their players yet they couldn't be bothered their holes going to the game.
P.S. Can people stop complaining about the shaggin price of a ticket, €25 is very reasonable for top class live sport, I didn't hear anyone complain about the price of a ticket to the Mun/Lein rugby game. It's not like the money isn't going back into teh GAA, some of which has gone or will go to your club.
Quote from: Zulu on May 22, 2009, 01:22:38 PM
Jesus, I'd love to save some of the posts made in the last week or two and reproduce them when I hear some of these posters go on about how special the GAA is and how we follow the jersey and not the players (the next time professionalism is raised). Your county plays (maybe) a half a dozen championship games in a year and of those only two or three might be against a top team, yet we have lads saying they couldn't be bothered about going to Dublin/Meath and Monaghan/Derry. Ye should be ashamed of yerselves IMO, the same lads demand serious effort from their players yet they couldn't be bothered their holes going to the game.
P.S. Can people stop complaining about the shaggin price of a ticket, €25 is very reasonable for top class live sport, I didn't hear anyone complain about the price of a ticket to the Mun/Lein rugby game. It's not like the money isn't going back into teh GAA, some of which has gone or will go to your club.
As if!!!
If I don't want to go and see my County play, its my decision. I've barely missed matches over the years but this year I haven't attended cause I have a young family and all my spare time goes to the club. Club first and second for me. I'll be at our Junior B game this evening, U14 game tomorrow and Junior C match on Monday evening (having to arrange a babysitter to do so).
I'll not have some Internet warrior say I should be ashamed of themself cause I'm not bothered to go to a county match. They can f**k off for all I care.
And yes, if monaghan reach the All-Ireland I'll get a ticket. If the club treasurer can't get one who can ;) ;D
Quote from: Zulu on May 22, 2009, 01:22:38 PM
Jesus, I'd love to save some of the posts made in the last week or two and reproduce them when I hear some of these posters go on about how special the GAA is and how we follow the jersey and not the players (the next time professionalism is raised). Your county plays (maybe) a half a dozen championship games in a year and of those only two or three might be against a top team, yet we have lads saying they couldn't be bothered about going to Dublin/Meath and Monaghan/Derry. Ye should be ashamed of yerselves IMO, the same lads demand serious effort from their players yet they couldn't be bothered their holes going to the game.
P.S. Can people stop complaining about the shaggin price of a ticket, €25 is very reasonable for top class live sport, I didn't hear anyone complain about the price of a ticket to the Mun/Lein rugby game. It's not like the money isn't going back into teh GAA, some of which has gone or will go to your club.
I'm going Sunday!! i have only missed 2 championship games in the last 25 years, so i'd follow monaghan all over.
€25 isnt that bad for me. But i do have a job and i am going on my own. I can see it being a strain if you have to bring the partner and kids though. no family tickets were offered for this which is a huge mistake.
Quote from: bingobus on May 22, 2009, 02:12:32 PM
Quote from: Zulu on May 22, 2009, 01:22:38 PM
Jesus, I'd love to save some of the posts made in the last week or two and reproduce them when I hear some of these posters go on about how special the GAA is and how we follow the jersey and not the players (the next time professionalism is raised). Your county plays (maybe) a half a dozen championship games in a year and of those only two or three might be against a top team, yet we have lads saying they couldn't be bothered about going to Dublin/Meath and Monaghan/Derry. Ye should be ashamed of yerselves IMO, the same lads demand serious effort from their players yet they couldn't be bothered their holes going to the game.
P.S. Can people stop complaining about the shaggin price of a ticket, €25 is very reasonable for top class live sport, I didn't hear anyone complain about the price of a ticket to the Mun/Lein rugby game. It's not like the money isn't going back into teh GAA, some of which has gone or will go to your club.
As if!!!
If I don't want to go and see my County play, its my decision. I've barely missed matches over the years but this year I haven't attended cause I have a young family and all my spare time goes to the club. Club first and second for me. I'll be at our Junior B game this evening, U14 game tomorrow and Junior C match on Monday evening (having to arrange a babysitter to do so).
I'll not have some Internet warrior say I should be ashamed of themself cause I'm not bothered to go to a county match. They can f**k off for all I care.
And yes, if monaghan reach the All-Ireland I'll get a ticket. If the club treasurer can't get one who can ;) ;D
So what if you go to club games and are you telling me your club has never got funding from the GAA? You also said your not interested and the game was on TV, fair enough, but you didn't mention family etc. so don't pull it now, it's your decision but internet warriors like yourself who complain about your county team and management on forums like this but can't be bothered going to their games annoy the hell out of me. Fair enough you've gone to most games in the past but I can't understand how any Monaghan GAa man wouldn't get behind his team, especially when you have a competitive team. Jesus, like I say there's only a few games every year, so I can't understand why anyone would miss those games except for the best of reasons.
QuoteI'm going Sunday!! i have only missed 2 championship games in the last 25 years, so i'd follow monaghan all over.
€25 isnt that bad for me. But i do have a job and i am going on my own. I can see it being a strain if you have to bring the partner and kids though. no family tickets were offered for this which is a huge mistake.
I can see your point but the GAA have offered far better deals for supporters than either soccer or rugby and they have increased the number of family tickets for this years championship. It's just getting a bit tiring hearing fellas bitch and moan about the GAA, when they are doing a reasonable job, to listen to some fellas it is clear they wouldn't be happy unless the game was played in their back garden while Christ Cooney provided a constant supply of tea and fig rolls to them.
Zulu don't f**king well start giving it the big one "I'm the real GAA man, you're not". You know f**k all about the GAA and my club and the dealings we've had with them in past and more recent past. I could write a book on the GAA and money and thats only from the last 3 years i've been involved.
In a year a club will get nothing from the GAA, other thing close is player injury accident scheme. The club actually pay up to the county board in fee's, insurance etc. Any money we'd get is from games help in our grounds.
Maybe the reason I complain about the county board, team management has resulted in my lack of interest? The lack of interest can stem from many reasons. I don't agree with many of the policies and treatment of the county board/senior team management. I'll still watch the game and hope they win, the players deserve it and my support.
I'd consider myself a GAA man but that doesn't mean I am obliged to watch my county in person. If every GAA person in Derry and Monaghan where to attend on Sunday, the ground wouldn't hold them all and you could take this for any county in Ireland.
If I, or anyone, put 30 hours a week in with their club and then watches the county team on the telly does that make them less of a GAA than some young buck who never misses a county match but couldn't tell you a club player in his town. There is plenty like this and if you can't see that you are fooling yourself. I know ex-county players who barely go to county matches after they have finished playing.
There is no checklist that makes you a GAA man or not. To me the GAA is about the club and the county is a bonus.
Quote from: bingobus on May 22, 2009, 03:24:06 PM
If every GAA person in Derry and Monaghan where to attend on Sunday, the ground wouldn't hold them all and you could take this for any county in Ireland.
Say 40 clubs in each County and say 250 "GAA persons" in each = 10,000.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 22, 2009, 03:30:00 PM
Quote from: bingobus on May 22, 2009, 03:24:06 PM
If every GAA person in Derry and Monaghan where to attend on Sunday, the ground wouldn't hold them all and you could take this for any county in Ireland.
Say 40 clubs in each County and say 250 "GAA persons" in each = 10,000.
My point is what classes you as a GAA person. From an U8 up to senior committee and everyone else in between? Even at 40 clubs and an average of 250 (which is modest) thats 20,000 without the "non-Gaa persons". I think you'll be lucky to get 15,000 on sunday. The opening of celtic park may help rise it to this figure.
Quote from: bingobus on May 22, 2009, 03:24:06 PM
Zulu don't f**king well start giving it the big one "I'm the real GAA man, you're not". You know f**k all about the GAA and my club and the dealings we've had with them in past and more recent past. I could write a book on the GAA and money and thats only from the last 3 years i've been involved.
In a year a club will get nothing from the GAA, other thing close is player injury accident scheme. The club actually pay up to the county board in fee's, insurance etc. Any money we'd get is from games help in our grounds.
Maybe the reason I complain about the county board, team management has resulted in my lack of interest? The lack of interest can stem from many reasons. I don't agree with many of the policies and treatment of the county board/senior team management. I'll still watch the game and hope they win, the players deserve it and my support.
I'd consider myself a GAA man but that doesn't mean I am obliged to watch my county in person. If every GAA person in Derry and Monaghan where to attend on Sunday, the ground wouldn't hold them all and you could take this for any county in Ireland.
If I, or anyone, put 30 hours a week in with their club and then watches the county team on the telly does that make them less of a GAA than some young buck who never misses a county match but couldn't tell you a club player in his town. There is plenty like this and if you can't see that you are fooling yourself. I know ex-county players who barely go to county matches after they have finished playing.
There is no checklist that makes you a GAA man or not. To me the GAA is about the club and the county is a bonus.
First off easy up on the language there, if you can't post without doing so then you're not worth engaging with. Secondly I didn't give the "I'm the real GAA man, you're not" routine, I questioned why you and others aren't supporting your county team by going to this very big game. Thirdly every club in Ireland would have some complaints, it is espensive running clubs in this day and age so your club isn't unique in that respect. But that doesn't mean that the GAA doesn't give back a huge amount of the money it earns from championship games. You're right, I don't know much about your club but if yours is the exception to the ones that I do that about, well that's tough but it doesn't change the fact that the GAA gives a huge amount of financial assistance to it's clubs.
Nobody is obliged to watch their county team and yes, many who'll go to this game don't give much to the GAA on a day to day basis but how is that relevant? IMO every Monaghan and Derry GAA man should be at this game because it is important for the GAA in those counties and for the GAA nationally. I'll be at Tipp/Limerick in Thurles this Sunday along with maybe 5 - 6K others, that is a disgrace IMO and every GAA man from Limerick or Tipp that couldn't be bothered their ass to make the short trip to Thurles should be ashamed of themselves. We can all miss games for good reasons but the fact it is on TV, isn't one of them, if it is for you then fine. I didn't say it made you less of a GAA man, by the way, but I do think you are wrong to not make your way to Derry this Sunday.
Quote from: Zulu on May 22, 2009, 03:56:14 PM
Quote from: bingobus on May 22, 2009, 03:24:06 PM
Zulu don't f**king well start giving it the big one "I'm the real GAA man, you're not". You know f**k all about the GAA and my club and the dealings we've had with them in past and more recent past. I could write a book on the GAA and money and thats only from the last 3 years i've been involved.
In a year a club will get nothing from the GAA, other thing close is player injury accident scheme. The club actually pay up to the county board in fee's, insurance etc. Any money we'd get is from games help in our grounds.
Maybe the reason I complain about the county board, team management has resulted in my lack of interest? The lack of interest can stem from many reasons. I don't agree with many of the policies and treatment of the county board/senior team management. I'll still watch the game and hope they win, the players deserve it and my support.
I'd consider myself a GAA man but that doesn't mean I am obliged to watch my county in person. If every GAA person in Derry and Monaghan where to attend on Sunday, the ground wouldn't hold them all and you could take this for any county in Ireland.
If I, or anyone, put 30 hours a week in with their club and then watches the county team on the telly does that make them less of a GAA than some young buck who never misses a county match but couldn't tell you a club player in his town. There is plenty like this and if you can't see that you are fooling yourself. I know ex-county players who barely go to county matches after they have finished playing.
There is no checklist that makes you a GAA man or not. To me the GAA is about the club and the county is a bonus.
First off easy up on the language there, if you can't post without doing so then you're not worth engaging with. Secondly I didn't give the "I'm the real GAA man, you're not" routine, I questioned why you and others aren't supporting your county team by going to this very big game. Thirdly every club in Ireland would have some complaints, it is espensive running clubs in this day and age so your club isn't unique in that respect. But that doesn't mean that the GAA doesn't give back a huge amount of the money it earns from championship games. You're right, I don't know much about your club but if yours is the exception to the ones that I do that about, well that's tough but it doesn't change the fact that the GAA gives a huge amount of financial assistance to it's clubs.
Nobody is obliged to watch their county team and yes, many who'll go to this game don't give much to the GAA on a day to day basis but how is that relevant? IMO every Monaghan and Derry GAA man should be at this game because it is important for the GAA in those counties and for the GAA nationally. I'll be at Tipp/Limerick in Thurles this Sunday along with maybe 5 - 6K others, that is a disgrace IMO and every GAA man from Limerick or Tipp that couldn't be bothered their ass to make the short trip to Thurles should be ashamed of themselves. We can all miss games for good reasons but the fact it is on TV, isn't one of them, if it is for you then fine. I didn't say it made you less of a GAA man, by the way, but I do think you are wrong to not make your way to Derry this Sunday.
£13 for a child aged between 2 and 16 to stand in Celtic Park for a first round championship match is an absolute disgrace, end of.
€25 euro for an adult is a little more justifiable, but not much - the gaa are shooting themselves in the feet with this, it's bad publicity and attracts ill feeling towards the organisation. I know of several people who (like Bingo) are heavily involved with their clubs, who are not going on sunday purely in protest at the prices - you might well argue that it's a futile protest, but that is their right, and eventually the ulster council will get the message.
I can only use my club as an example and will not comment on other clubs as I'm sure that they are those that have received GAA money eg Breffini, Omagh, Clones etc etc. You said clubs benefit from the €25 paid into the game, I totally disagree. The county board will benefit, no club in Monaghan will. Absoulute fact. I know of very little evidence of GAA putting money into clubs.
In Louth for example the County Board have requested clubs to refrain from promoting their own club lotto's or fundraising until they launch the Louth County Board Lotto to pay for the grounds in Darver which they totally misread the running costs of.
In the 9 Ulster counties, 6 county boards retained the €250k that was allocated to each county from Croke Park from the Soccer and Rugby money. This was heralded as money for the Grass roots of the game by croke park. In Monaghan it was used for Cloghan (training grounds for county). This was to light a third pitch and put up spectator facilities (so far lights have went up). For 5 years the clubs had paid a levy towards cloghan and its costs, then this money was denied to them. Then the supporters where asked to pay a €2 levy on all county board tickets last year.
I still don;t see why a GAA man should be ashamed for not attending their county teams game. Alot of people are desenchanted with county's setup at present and the money that is spent. Its alot more common that you may appreciate. The difference it is taking to run say Monaghan, Carlow and Kerry may not be that far apart and once you set standards now it is very difficult to row back on them and its filtering down to clubs.
Apologies for using foul language, was purely intended to make me look hard ;)
But bogball you'd pay 60 sterling to watch a live premiership game and 80 quid to watch the rish rugby team live. 25 quid is pretty good for an adult for the so called elite level of the games.
The childrens prices are a seperate issue- they are a joke in my view. But they are a joke in all codes. Soccer and rugby don't distinguish either. But the Gaa could show a bit of lateral thinking on the subject. We all face the same problem in the coming weeks. But I don't have an issue over adult prices- they are very reasonable in my view.
The prices won't be my gripe at all bar the children prices. Its a free choice and isn't bad value if you get down for the minor match. The facilities you pay into is a bigger issue and service you get in them but thats another issue.
In relation to soccer, I pay about stg£35 when I watch liverpool, so its not stg60 unless you go to chelsea. For that I can buy hot food, drinks of a wide choice, have a bet, take a shit in comfort and will be guaranteed to be dry coming out after it unless I'm very front rows. Plus the game itself will be 20 minutes longer ;)
Quote from: bingobus on May 22, 2009, 04:30:45 PM
In relation to soccer, I pay about stg£35 when I watch liverpool, . For that I can buy hot food, drinks of a wide choice, have a bet, take a shit in comfort and will be guaranteed to be dry coming out after it unless I'm very front rows. Plus the game itself will be 20 minutes longer ;)
Dont forget 90 minutes of total boredom from 22 lads earning 2 years pay every week compared to 70 minutes of entertainment from ordinary lads giving their all for their parish/village/town/district/county or whatever.
When I go to a game I go to see the game. If I want to bet I can go to a bookies.If I want to ate or have a hot drink I'll go to a restaurant and will always try and ensure I've moved my bowels before the game. If I want a wide choice of drinks I'll go the thoul' pub when I get home.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 22, 2009, 05:03:26 PM
Quote from: bingobus on May 22, 2009, 04:30:45 PM
In relation to soccer, I pay about stg£35 when I watch liverpool, . For that I can buy hot food, drinks of a wide choice, have a bet, take a shit in comfort and will be guaranteed to be dry coming out after it unless I'm very front rows. Plus the game itself will be 20 minutes longer ;)
Dont forget 90 minutes of total boredom from 22 lads earning 2 years pay every week compared to 70 minutes of entertainment from ordinary lads giving their all for their parish/village/town/district/county or whatever.
When I go to a game I go to see the game. If I want to bet I can go to a bookies.If I want to ate or have a hot drink I'll go to a restaurant and will always try and ensure I've moved my bowels before the game. If I want a wide choice of drinks I'll go the thoul' pub when I get home.
What if Cork are playing ;D Plus entertainment is never guaranteed in any sport. I sat through Kildare and Fermanagh last year after spending two days at the Galway races, if scotty had beamed up back to galway there and then, I'd have chewed his arm off. And then some. Boredom is the eye of the beholder and thats only your opinion.
Yeah, lets live in the 20th century and leave the games in the dark ages. Its about spectator comfort now and providing a day out with basic facilities. Its about more than the 70 championship minutes, Croke Park is a perfect example of this and it is the way forward. We are trying to attract people to the game not create a elite band of diehard supporters.
But sure I've got pissed on in croker several times since it was redone . At the end of the day you're comparing a billion euro industry in premiership soccer to an indigenous amateur sport of a small country. You're not going to get royalty services. I've been to sports grounds in some parts of the world and I've been snowed on in the States at american football games, pissed on at super 14 rugby games and burnt to a crisp at aussie rules matches. Most GAA grounds compare reasonably favourably to them. Granted that shitholes like Pairc Ui Chaoimh and Clones don't. But I think most counties have one good ground now. Can't put all our resources into bricks and mortar- you'll have no players to play in them.
Well it was you that brought up the comparison and its one thing using a stick to beat one argument and then dismissing it when a comparison is thrown back within that boundary.
Its a great GAA trick to say that we are ameteur this and that and then and then talk in other instances of how professional we are and now it is run like better than the FAI or IRFU.
Why can't we have proper stadiums to gather for crowds in a comfortable manner? Just cause the americans/Aussies/ however have facilities that let you wet than that doesn;t mean we do? Plus realistically our grounds require less capacity (unless you are the Limierick County board) and therefore the emphasis should be on comfort. But this bypasses alot of County boards.
Also if the games in the rain and snow where in Ireland the game be called off. Unplayable pitch. ;)
QuoteWhy can't we have proper stadiums to gather for crowds in a comfortable manner?
While I completely agree that we should have at least one mini CP in the other 3 provinces and a few more grounds that have better facilities only we can change that, if more people went to the games then we could better afford to build better facilities. Like I said I'm going to a game which will only have 5 or 6K and you aren't going to support your team, so you can't have it both ways. GAA people can't on the one hand complain about facilities and on the other say I'm staying at home cause the game's on the box, the weather is bad, it's too far away etc. The GAA is the only sports organization in this country that has provided decent facilities the length and breath of this country, and places like Thomond Park were absolute kips with hardly any cover yet it sold out for HC games. The IC championship is a celebration of the GAA and IMO people should make an effort to physically support their county players who put such effort into representing your county.
Its not as simple as that. There is only a certain amount of money that can be put into bricks and mortar, we don't have the ancilliary revenue streams that professional sport has. Some of the stadiums are rarely full and never in some cases. The Gaelci Grounds is a prime example- a complete white elephant.
You can't expect 32, 25,000 seater stadiums -its not economically viable. I see what you're saying but its not realistic.
QuoteWhy can't we have proper stadiums to gather for crowds in a comfortable manner?
We should have. But there is not much point if GAA people don't want to go to games. And it you can't disagree with county boards retaining money if you also want them to invest in stadia.
QuoteYou can't expect 32, 25,000 seater stadiums -its not economically viable. I see what you're saying but its not realistic.
Ah well I know that Indiana and I agree we shouldn't have 32 Thomond Parks but we have what we have now so we should look to improve some of them to a higher a standard. In saying that the stadiums that I have been to aren't bad and like Rossfan says you're there to watch a match and I've never been to a stadium anywhere in the world that had anymore than sufficient facilities. I just can't understand how anyone wouldn't want to attend their county's championship game, there are so few, they are reasonably priced and few matches are a serious distance from home.
I agree but one 50,000 stadium per province would be enough supplemented by another 30,000 one for each province. The rest should be 10-15k with decent facilities. Anything beyond that is wasting money in my view.
There should be onus on county boards to have one 15,000 stadium per county with good facilities but not a stadium bigger than that. Down and Fermanagh couldn't fill it last week and I doubt any of these weekends games will be full either.
Quote from: Zulu on May 22, 2009, 06:05:57 PM
QuoteWhy can't we have proper stadiums to gather for crowds in a comfortable manner?
While I completely agree that we should have at least one mini CP in the other 3 provinces and a few more grounds that have better facilities only we can change that, if more people went to the games then we could better afford to build better facilities. Like I said I'm going to a game which will only have 5 or 6K and you aren't going to support your team, so you can't have it both ways. GAA people can't on the one hand complain about facilities and on the other say I'm staying at home cause the game's on the box, the weather is bad, it's too far away etc. The GAA is the only sports organization in this country that has provided decent facilities the length and breath of this country, and places like Thomond Park were absolute kips with hardly any cover yet it sold out for HC games. The IC championship is a celebration of the GAA and IMO people should make an effort to physically support their county players who put such effort into representing your county.
I would agree 3 mini CP per province and a few other quality stadia - 10-15k at the very max. Once in place these would form an excellent portfolio and will far surpass the IRFU or FAI could ever dream of. It'll not happen over night but it should be happening within next 10 years.
The GAA are light years ahead of the other sports in ireland but its not time to pat each other back but time to really drive home the advantage. I still think the coaching network is poor and most of primary schools I know don't have any GAA coaching from the GAA. We have put our own coach in out local scholl one day a week. He's a current county player and very supportive of the club.
I may not attend this week but to be honest of they win, no doubt I'll end up at semi. Call me a glory hunter or whatever. They are my county not my team. Club players are also putting in massive efforts and county players don't have a monopoly in the gAA of putting in huge effort.
There is a lot to be said for 3 mini CP class stadia and smaller venues in each county with plenty of cover and seats. The provincial stadia would be big enough to cater for games and have family tickets etc, while the county ones would be ideal for the league. However for this to work teams have to be willing to play games in these venues and not insist on home advantage, just as Armagh and Tyrone are playing in Clones.
Quote from: bingobus on May 22, 2009, 04:30:45 PM
The prices won't be my gripe at all bar the children prices. Its a free choice and isn't bad value if you get down for the minor match. The facilities you pay into is a bigger issue and service you get in them but thats another issue.
In relation to soccer, I pay about stg£35 when I watch liverpool, so its not stg60 unless you go to chelsea. For that I can buy hot food, drinks of a wide choice, have a bet, take a shit in comfort and will be guaranteed to be dry coming out after it unless I'm very front rows. Plus the game itself will be 20 minutes longer ;)
So you can pay £35 to watch Liverpool and are happy for the money to go back to millionaire soccer players. But £13 to go to Derry (with no flight costs) is too expensive and your not happy with the ticket prices even though the money goes back into the gaa. Also the fact that your county on average will play around 3-4 championship games a year compared to Liverpools 50 still doesnt make it worthwhile. What do you want from the gaa? Some people wouldnt be happy if they were getting lifted from their front door and into the game for free, they'd still find something to complain about.
Quote from: Zulu on May 22, 2009, 06:46:21 PM
QuoteYou can't expect 32, 25,000 seater stadiums -its not economically viable. I see what you're saying but its not realistic.
Ah well I know that Indiana and I agree we shouldn't have 32 Thomond Parks but we have what we have now so we should look to improve some of them to a higher a standard. In saying that the stadiums that I have been to aren't bad and like Rossfan says you're there to watch a match and I've never been to a stadium anywhere in the world that had anymore than sufficient facilities. I just can't understand how anyone wouldn't want to attend their county's championship game, there are so few, they are reasonably priced and few matches are a serious distance from home.
What about McHale Park, Castlebar, Irelands biggest All-Seater stadium ;)
Lads, if you won't go to watch your county in championship action on a day like this, when will you go?
I'm off out to the back garden to kick a ball against the garage wall for a while!
The summer starts here. ;D
Tipperary, recently crowned Division 3 champions and only 4,673 people could be bothered to turn up at Semple stadium today.
Anyone know attendance of Derry Monaghan game?
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on May 24, 2009, 08:01:03 PM
Anyone know attendance of Derry Monaghan game?
Around 10,500 I think I heard today
Quote from: FermPundit on May 24, 2009, 07:56:57 PM
Tipperary, recently crowned Division 3 champions and only 4,673 people could be bothered to turn up at Semple stadium today.
All Under 16's were admitted free, so there was certainly more people than the official figure in the attendance.
Quote from: Onlooker on May 24, 2009, 09:33:27 PM
Quote from: FermPundit on May 24, 2009, 07:56:57 PM
Tipperary, recently crowned Division 3 champions and only 4,673 people could be bothered to turn up at Semple stadium today.
All Under 16's were admitted free, so there was certainly more people than the official figure in the attendance.
Was impressed at the crowd in Celtic Park today. Jammed where I was on terraces, certainly thought it was nearer 15,000.
Quote from: ExiledGael on May 24, 2009, 10:27:24 PM
Quote from: Onlooker on May 24, 2009, 09:33:27 PM
Quote from: FermPundit on May 24, 2009, 07:56:57 PM
Tipperary, recently crowned Division 3 champions and only 4,673 people could be bothered to turn up at Semple stadium today.
All Under 16's were admitted free, so there was certainly more people than the official figure in the attendance.
Was impressed at the crowd in Celtic Park today. Jammed where I was on terraces, certainly thought it was nearer 15,000.
Aye but only 10,000 paid in.
12,356 in O'Moore Park, Portlaoise for Wicklow-Longford and Kildare-Offaly
Quote from: laoisgaa on May 24, 2009, 10:31:07 PM
12,356 in O'Moore Park, Portlaoise for Wicklow-Longford and Kildare-Offaly
3,000 per county is really poor especially when you consider that Kildare would be regarded as one of the better supported teams in the country.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on May 22, 2009, 11:49:59 PM
Quote from: bingobus on May 22, 2009, 04:30:45 PM
The prices won't be my gripe at all bar the children prices. Its a free choice and isn't bad value if you get down for the minor match. The facilities you pay into is a bigger issue and service you get in them but thats another issue.
In relation to soccer, I pay about stg£35 when I watch liverpool, so its not stg60 unless you go to chelsea. For that I can buy hot food, drinks of a wide choice, have a bet, take a shit in comfort and will be guaranteed to be dry coming out after it unless I'm very front rows. Plus the game itself will be 20 minutes longer ;)
So you can pay £35 to watch Liverpool and are happy for the money to go back to millionaire soccer players. But £13 to go to Derry (with no flight costs) is too expensive and your not happy with the ticket prices even though the money goes back into the gaa. Also the fact that your county on average will play around 3-4 championship games a year compared to Liverpools 50 still doesnt make it worthwhile. What do you want from the gaa? Some people wouldnt be happy if they were getting lifted from their front door and into the game for free, they'd still find something to complain about.
Can you read? I have highlighted the bit where I said I have no gripe with the prices ???
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on May 25, 2009, 12:27:01 AM
Quote from: laoisgaa on May 24, 2009, 10:31:07 PM
12,356 in O'Moore Park, Portlaoise for Wicklow-Longford and Kildare-Offaly
3,000 per county is really poor especially when you consider that Kildare would be regarded as one of the better supported teams in the country.
It seemed like there was more than that there yesterday. Portlaoise can hold nearly 35,000. There was a good crowd outside before the games, and I'd have guessed more like 18,000, but it's hard to judge sometimes when you are in the crowd yourself.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on May 25, 2009, 12:27:01 AM
Quote from: laoisgaa on May 24, 2009, 10:31:07 PM
12,356 in O'Moore Park, Portlaoise for Wicklow-Longford and Kildare-Offaly
3,000 per county is really poor especially when you consider that Kildare would be regarded as one of the better supported teams in the country.
I would have said that was a fairly decent crowd for 3 out of the 4 counties wouldn't have huge support as all are at a low ebb. I thought the Derry V Monaghan was a very small crowd considering the pedigree of the counties involved -ie both top 8 teams.
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 25, 2009, 10:11:27 AMIt seemed like there was more than that there yesterday. Portlaoise can hold nearly 35,000. There was a good crowd outside before the games, and I'd have guessed more like 18,000, but it's hard to judge sometimes when you are in the crowd yourself.
Definitely seemed like there was more than 12,000 there alright. The stand was only 3/4s full maybe but it was fairly tightly packed where I was on the terrace.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on May 25, 2009, 12:27:01 AM
3,000 per county is really poor especially when you consider that Kildare would be regarded as one of the better supported teams in the country.
We haven't really had a massive support since the late 90s and early 00s, most of Micko's bandwagon brigade have dropped away. In fairness though, I'd say the Kildare crowd there yesterday outnumbered the other three counties combined. The terrace was at least 2/3s Kildare but the stand was more evenly distributed. Still though, I suppose only maybe 7 or 8 thousand Kildare fans is poor enough considering Maryborough is easily accessible within an hour from most parts of the county.
The Offaly turnout was very poor. All I'd been hearing all week from Biffos I know was how they were quietly confident of an upset and that the team had really been flying in training. It was surprising that so few of them bothered to travel if that was the case.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 22, 2009, 05:03:26 PM
Quote from: bingobus on May 22, 2009, 04:30:45 PM
In relation to soccer, I pay about stg£35 when I watch liverpool, . For that I can buy hot food, drinks of a wide choice, have a bet, take a shit in comfort and will be guaranteed to be dry coming out after it unless I'm very front rows. Plus the game itself will be 20 minutes longer ;)
Dont forget 90 minutes of total boredom from 22 lads earning 2 years pay every week compared to 70 minutes of entertainment from ordinary lads giving their all for their parish/village/town/district/county or whatever.
When I go to a game I go to see the game. If I want to bet I can go to a bookies.If I want to ate or have a hot drink I'll go to a restaurant and will always try and ensure I've moved my bowels before the game. If I want a wide choice of drinks I'll go the thoul' pub when I get home.
Agree and I've been up and down the country and I've never been to ground where I couldn't get these in the Ground apart from the pint . Now they mightn't be 5 star but the option is there and you'd have more on here moaning if we all had too spend 40 into Ground just so some people could avail of prawn sandwiches
like i said a few times on other threads gaa oficial attendances for a lot of games are a joke. they need to get systems in place whereby everyone going in a turnstile is counted and pays - thats certainly not the case in most county grounds
Quote from: INDIANA on May 25, 2009, 10:13:45 AM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on May 25, 2009, 12:27:01 AM
Quote from: laoisgaa on May 24, 2009, 10:31:07 PM
12,356 in O'Moore Park, Portlaoise for Wicklow-Longford and Kildare-Offaly
3,000 per county is really poor especially when you consider that Kildare would be regarded as one of the better supported teams in the country.
I would have said that was a fairly decent crowd for 3 out of the 4 counties wouldn't have huge support as all are at a low ebb. I thought the Derry V Monaghan was a very small crowd considering the pedigree of the counties involved -ie both top 8 teams.
Considering no tickets were put on general release (i.e. internet sales) and no family tickets were available... the GAA really are shooting themselves in the foot.
What's the story with next week's game? All ticket or not? I don't think it needs to be.
Quote from: Maguire01 on May 25, 2009, 07:47:33 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 25, 2009, 10:13:45 AM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on May 25, 2009, 12:27:01 AM
Quote from: laoisgaa on May 24, 2009, 10:31:07 PM
12,356 in O'Moore Park, Portlaoise for Wicklow-Longford and Kildare-Offaly
3,000 per county is really poor especially when you consider that Kildare would be regarded as one of the better supported teams in the country.
I would have said that was a fairly decent crowd for 3 out of the 4 counties wouldn't have huge support as all are at a low ebb. I thought the Derry V Monaghan was a very small crowd considering the pedigree of the counties involved -ie both top 8 teams.
Considering no tickets were put on general release (i.e. internet sales) and no family tickets were available... the GAA really are shooting themselves in the foot.
What's the story with next week's game? All ticket or not? I don't think it needs to be.
You talking about Tyrone Armagh? It is all ticket but there is supposed to be plenty of family tickets and tickets are available on ticketmaster. Should be a good crowd. You'd be worried if there wasnt with 2 big rivals meeting and a clash of ulster and all ireland champions.
Quote3,000 per county is really poor especially when you consider that Kildare would be regarded as one of the better supported teams in the country.
The bulk of the support was Kildare - to me it seemed they had more than the other three counties combined
Are the gaa doing enough to promote its games? Surely at the very least they could make ticket information and packages available to the public. This Sundays clash of the Ulster and All Ireland Champions shouldnt be that hard to promote and attract over 30,000 to. Yet there has hardly been a word from the gaa. When the fixture was announced they said 10,000 family tickets would be available in decent parts of the ground. If this is the case surely they should be making more of a deal of it, as the savings involved could attract a lot of families to the game. The gaa is very poor at getting ticketing information available to the public. For the 1st 2 ulster games it was difficult to know if you werent from a club from a competing county were tickets were available.
We have to really question what is going on here . If the Gaa said there were would be 10000 family tickets available where are they. our club got five which is 2 adults £20 2 children at £4. Translated this means that only 10 juveniles in our club got tickets . Yes other tickets were available but all £20 except the hill whcih is £13. I put my name down for a family ticket as I have two children didnt get one as it was drawn out of a hat as there were 20 names in for them whcih is fair enough. I had to buy 4 tickets seating as the children wouldn't see on the hill at the cost of £80. Others in the club were forking out £150. I have never missed an Armagh match in 20 years and for us its a way of life like I'm sure so many others. It is no wonder the attendances are down. There is not 10000 family tickets on sale. that is a lie. There are 120 clubs approx between the two counties and judging by our allocation, the numberof family tickets is closer to a thousand than 10000. And to crown it all Tyrone dreamer pointed out that The gaa stated the tickets would be in decent parts of the ground . Well The family tickets we got are in the Eastern Stand Section C right behind the goals . The children are directly in the line of the footballs that reign in pre-match. I do know that the Pat McGrane stand is also being used but these are Section AA and BB which is effectively behind the goals on the corner of the Eastern Stand. Decent seat.???? I am not looking for centre seats Arthur Stand or Paul mC grane Middle section . I want something that can encourage our children to go to the matches. Why is there no juvenile tickets ( apart from the family ones) for the O duffy or hill . It may not suit all u-16s but it would alleviate some of the problem. If the uptake in tickets in our club is anything to go by the crowd will be nearer 25000 than 35000
While of course it is important to get the kids into see the big games people have to remember that every cheap kids ticket is a full priced adult ticket less. So if there were 10K family tickets produced that would mean that there are already 10K tickets unavailable to single adults. And considering that there will also be plenty of 15-18 year olds who'll go to the game on their own, or adults who'll pay full price for their kids that is a lot of tickets for kids. The GAA can't please everyone all the time but it is about time some GAA folk just shut up and paid into see their county play, we give out about the recession and what not, well you know when your county are playing, if money is a bit tight don't go out for pints the previous week or set aside a few pound during the year so you have money for the games. Too many lads bitching about what the GAA should be doing for them and not enough lads making a few sacrifices to do something for the GAA.
Quote from: rionach 4 on May 26, 2009, 11:07:32 AM
We have to really question what is going on here . If the Gaa said there were would be 10000 family tickets available where are they. our club got five which is 2 adults £20 2 children at £4. Translated this means that only 10 juveniles in our club got tickets . Yes other tickets were available but all £20 except the hill whcih is £13. I put my name down for a family ticket as I have two children didnt get one as it was drawn out of a hat as there were 20 names in for them whcih is fair enough. I had to buy 4 tickets seating as the children wouldn't see on the hill at the cost of £80. Others in the club were forking out £150. I have never missed an Armagh match in 20 years and for us its a way of life like I'm sure so many others. It is no wonder the attendances are down. There is not 10000 family tickets on sale. that is a lie. There are 120 clubs approx between the two counties and judging by our allocation, the numberof family tickets is closer to a thousand than 10000. And to crown it all Tyrone dreamer pointed out that The gaa stated the tickets would be in decent parts of the ground . Well The family tickets we got are in the Eastern Stand Section C right behind the goals . The children are directly in the line of the footballs that reign in pre-match. I do know that the Pat McGrane stand is also being used but these are Section AA and BB which is effectively behind the goals on the corner of the Eastern Stand. Decent seat.???? I am not looking for centre seats Arthur Stand or Paul mC grane Middle section . I want something that can encourage our children to go to the matches. Why is there no juvenile tickets ( apart from the family ones) for the O duffy or hill . It may not suit all u-16s but it would alleviate some of the problem. If the uptake in tickets in our club is anything to go by the crowd will be nearer 25000 than 35000
I totally disagree. Any Juvenile tickets should be family tickets - I know there has been a tradition in Clones of young ones running around loaded (all counties not just Armagh) but surely the fact that the discounted tickets come as part of a family package should alleviate this problem. If they're big enough to act the maggot half cut on the Hill then they're big enough to pay full price.
time to put games on a Saturday and Friday evening
Rugby matches are staggered to get the maximum possible exposure for each game.
Too many GAA matches together on a Sunday.
Point taken Zulu but It was the gaa who said there would be that number available when the decided to take the match to clones . I do pay into every match despite the price and following Armagh over this past years in particular has cost me a lot Last year alone in the region of a thousand pound and . i dont regret one penny of it . But attendances are dropping . People at my club last night opted to stay at home when there were no family tickets left. They just couldn't afford the price . Other years they went but now with the uncertainty of work they have decided not to bother. They are sticking with the cheaper option not because they are bad gaels ,its just they cant afford £100 for their kids tickets. There are only about 1500 family tickets The truth is that of the 200 tickets that arrived at our club 5 were family whcih meant 10 kids whch is 5% of the total. In my mind if this is called looking after families and children I totally disagree.
I wasn't having a go at you rionach 4, the point I was making is that all you hear is lads giving out about this that or the other, yet the Heineken cup semi sold out no problem and lads still head to England for Man U games. I'd like to see a greater reduction in prices for kids and more promotion of the games but there is also a responsibility on ourselves to make that extra effort. Our games aren't that expensive so it's time we make a few sacrifices to get there, the money goes back into our games after all.
This talk of 3 mini CP 's is hilarious . Highlighting the Gealic Grounds in Limk as basicly being a joke (white elephant ) is also hilarious . Too big , is it ? ??? Limerick is known as the traditional hotbed venue for Munster Hurling Finals (not so much since the 60's) and it holds the record high attendance of over 67,000 people ( is this the truth or not ?) for the 1963 clash of Cork v Tipp . Reality is all GAA grounds around the country are white elephants . It seems to me that the Gealic Grounds in Limerick is the envy of the GAA world outside of Dublin . J P McManus contributed the larger % of the refurbishment cost a few years back and LCB are very much indepted to him for that .
The truth will never be told as regards proper attendances at GAA matches . If you believe that the ordinary punter is given truthful attendance figures , then you are nieve indeed . Everybody loses out when the truth is told , you see .
I think that the bottom line is that people are beginning to catch on to the who farcical situation. What's the point of paying good money to see your team in a 'knock-out' competition where the sudden death aspect of the game has been taken from it? There is no REAL 'do or die' aspect to the provincial championship as, WITH THE BACK DOOR, I can tell you that every Armagh player would gladly swap last year's Ulster medal for the All-Ireland one.. :(
Quote from: cville on May 26, 2009, 09:59:12 PM
I think that the bottom line is that people are beginning to catch on to the who farcical situation. What's the point of paying good money to see your team in a 'knock-out' competition where the sudden death aspect of the game has been taken from it? There is no REAL 'do or die' aspect to the provincial championship as, WITH THE BACK DOOR, I can tell you that every Armagh player would gladly swap last year's Ulster medal for the All-Ireland one.. :(
You'd wonder how soccer survives then or the Heinken Cup? Some soccer supporters will attend up to 40 games a season that arent knockout and the majority arent really important. If Tyrone win on Sunday they will be 5 games away from winning the All Ireland and 2 from winning Ulster. If they lose they will be 7 games away from winning the All Ireland and no chance in Ulster. I know which situation I would rather be in.
Quote from: Bing Crosby . on May 26, 2009, 08:47:14 PM
This talk of 3 mini CP 's is hilarious . Highlighting the Gealic Grounds in Limk as basicly being a joke (white elephant ) is also hilarious . Too big , is it ? ??? Limerick is known as the traditional hotbed venue for Munster Hurling Finals (not so much since the 60's) and it holds the record high attendance of over 67,000 people ( is this the truth or not ?) for the 1963 clash of Cork v Tipp . Reality is all GAA grounds around the country are white elephants . It seems to me that the Gealic Grounds in Limerick is the envy of the GAA world outside of Dublin . J P McManus contributed the larger % of the refurbishment cost a few years back and LCB are very much indepted to him for that .
The truth will never be told as regards proper attendances at GAA matches . If you believe that the ordinary punter is given truthful attendance figures , then you are nieve indeed . Everybody loses out when the truth is told , you see .
You're obviously from Limerick and talked as much nonsense when you predicted Limerick for the AI, the GG the envy of the country, well you go away FFS.
Quote from: Zulu on May 26, 2009, 10:38:08 PM
Quote from: Bing Crosby . on May 26, 2009, 08:47:14 PM
This talk of 3 mini CP 's is hilarious . Highlighting the Gealic Grounds in Limk as basicly being a joke (white elephant ) is also hilarious . Too big , is it ? ??? Limerick is known as the traditional hotbed venue for Munster Hurling Finals (not so much since the 60's) and it holds the record high attendance of over 67,000 people ( is this the truth or not ?) for the 1963 clash of Cork v Tipp . Reality is all GAA grounds around the country are white elephants . It seems to me that the Gealic Grounds in Limerick is the envy of the GAA world outside of Dublin . J P McManus contributed the larger % of the refurbishment cost a few years back and LCB are very much indepted to him for that .
The truth will never be told as regards proper attendances at GAA matches . If you believe that the ordinary punter is given truthful attendance figures , then you are nieve indeed . Everybody loses out when the truth is told , you see .
You're obviously from Limerick and talked as much nonsense when you predicted Limerick for the AI, the GG the envy of the country, well you go away FFS.
Well I go away ? Do you mean , will I go away ? Where do you want me to go ? What I've said is correct to many excluding my fellow Limerick people , so I don't where the nonsense in my previous post is . Cold you highlight it for me please Zulu ?
Ehhh the Gaelic Grounds being the envy of the country bit, I don't know of anyone outside of Limerick that has much time for that ground let alone envy.
The bit about the GG being the hotbed of Munster hurling is also laughable.
The bit about the 3 mini CP's as being hilarious is also nonsense, I passed Thomond Park and the Gaelic grounds tonight and the GG looks very shabby in comparison despite it being twice the size of TP. We need to bring 3 grounds up to the standard of CP where all provincial finals should be played.
Quote from: Zulu on May 26, 2009, 11:25:23 PM
Ehhh the Gaelic Grounds being the envy of the country bit, I don't know of anyone outside of Limerick that has much time for that ground let alone envy.
The bit about the GG being the hotbed of Munster hurling is also laughable.
The bit about the 3 mini CP's as being hilarious is also nonsense, I passed Thomond Park and the Gaelic grounds tonight and the GG looks very shabby in comparison despite it being twice the size of TP. We need to bring 3 grounds up to the standard of CP where all provincial finals should be played.
First of all I did not say on any thread in this forum that I thought Limk would win this years AI , so that's cleared up before I start .
Granted , GG may not be the envy of ALL others but it is completely under-utilised and very few people from counties outside of the hurling top 10 have ever been there . League football matches draw minimal crowds from outside the county also . Make no mistake Zulu , GG is the 3rd finest stadium in the country , live in denial if you like .
You appear to have a poor knowledge base when it comes to Munster hurling . If you look carefully at my previous post again you will notice that I said that the GG was the traditional hotbed of Munster FINALS F F F F FINALS , did you get that Zulu ? I also stated that this trend has changed since the end of the 60's .
On your last point Zulu , what is it that you actually want ?
We have what we have and now you want more . There is nothing wrong with our GAA pitches only that they are under -utilised . BTW Thomond park is a rugby pitch which is 30m or 40m shorter than the GG pitch . This means that the stands are shorter in length but greater in height which certainly shoots it up on the impressive scale . Thomond Park certainly looks more impressive than GG because an awful lot more money was spent on it's redevelopement , plus Mayorstone residents impeded a larger more grandiose redevelopement of the uncovered stand at the GG when it was being done .
The Gealic Grounds do not look shabby Zulu , will you come off it ?
QuoteFirst of all I did not say on any thread in this forum that I thought Limk would win this years AI , so that's cleared up before I start .
You said they'd get to the final if they avoided Kilkenny and win Munster, there is no logical basis for that so you are prone to wild statements.
QuoteGranted , GG may not be the envy of ALL others but it is completely under-utilised and very few people from counties outside of the hurling top 10 have ever been there . League football matches draw minimal crowds from outside the county also . Make no mistake Zulu , GG is the 3rd finest stadium in the country , live in denial if you like
I never said it wasn't a decent ground but the envy of the rest of the country? Definitely not. There is nothing paricularly impressive about it but none of our grounds are particularly impressive which was my original point.
QuoteYou appear to have a poor knowledge base when it comes to Munster hurling . If you look carefully at my previous post again you will notice that I said that the GG was the traditional hotbed of Munster FINALS F F F F FINALS , did you get that Zulu ? I also stated that this trend has changed since the end of the 60's .
'Hotbed of Munster finals' WTF does that mean or indeed what relevance does it have to anything, I know plenty about Munster hurling and now every county in Munster wants to play the Munster final in Thurles. The GG is a terrible location for Cork, Tipp and Waterford fans and is an awful place to get out of for everyone, it has no pubs close to it and no real GAA pubs in the city to provide atmosphere.
QuoteOn your last point Zulu , what is it that you actually want ?
We have what we have and now you want more . There is nothing wrong with our GAA pitches only that they are under -utilised
I told you what I want, which by the way isn't more but is in fact less. I want 3 top class stadiums with 35 - 55K capacity which would have similar facilities as those in CP, i.e. corportae boxes, bars, restaurants, etc. Both CP and TP help sellout the games that are played there and bring in a lot of money to their respective organisations outside of hosting games. The other grounds should be reduced in size or in some cases levelled. The grounds are under utilized partly becasue we don't have enough games and partly becasue some of our grounds e.g. the GG are too big for a lot of them.
Quote from: Zulu on May 27, 2009, 12:37:23 AM
QuoteFirst of all I did not say on any thread in this forum that I thought Limk would win this years AI , so that's cleared up before I start .
You said they'd get to the final if they avoided Kilkenny and win Munster, there is no logical basis for that so you are prone to wild statements.
QuoteGranted , GG may not be the envy of ALL others but it is completely under-utilised and very few people from counties outside of the hurling top 10 have ever been there . League football matches draw minimal crowds from outside the county also . Make no mistake Zulu , GG is the 3rd finest stadium in the country , live in denial if you like
I never said it wasn't a decent ground but the envy of the rest of the country? Definitely not. There is nothing paricularly impressive about it but none of our grounds are particularly impressive which was my original point.
QuoteYou appear to have a poor knowledge base when it comes to Munster hurling . If you look carefully at my previous post again you will notice that I said that the GG was the traditional hotbed of Munster FINALS F F F F FINALS , did you get that Zulu ? I also stated that this trend has changed since the end of the 60's .
'Hotbed of Munster finals' WTF does that mean or indeed what relevance does it have to anything, I know plenty about Munster hurling and now every county in Munster wants to play the Munster final in Thurles. The GG is a terrible location for Cork, Tipp and Waterford fans and is an awful place to get out of for everyone, it has no pubs close to it and no real GAA pubs in the city to provide atmosphere.
QuoteOn your last point Zulu , what is it that you actually want ?
We have what we have and now you want more . There is nothing wrong with our GAA pitches only that they are under -utilised
I told you what I want, which by the way isn't more but is in fact less. I want 3 top class stadiums with 35 - 55K capacity which would have similar facilities as those in CP, i.e. corportae boxes, bars, restaurants, etc. Both CP and TP help sellout the games that are played there and bring in a lot of money to their respective organisations outside of hosting games. The other grounds should be reduced in size or in some cases levelled. The grounds are under utilized partly becasue we don't have enough games and partly becasue some of our grounds e.g. the GG are too big for a lot of them.
I cannot multiquote so please understand .
Oh right I see there is no logical basis that Limk could get to the AI this year , I see , I see . How foolish of me to think that ::) Therefore everything that comes out of my mouth is purely wreckless and wild . ::)
The hotbed point was made simply to remind people of the pre-eminance of the GG in previous generations , that is all . It was not you who had the origonal pop at the GG . Believe me when I say that I much prefer Thurlas as a venue for all the reasons you have listed . Particularly as I have been going there with my da since I was 9 years old , many moons ago .
Lastly , this is absolute bolderdash . If we had what you are suggesting we would in essence have a lot less than what we presently have . You appear to me to be a little taken by restaurants , bars and hot dog stands for my liking Zulu . What we have here in Munster is fine . Leinster and Ulster certainly need another venue outside of CP and Clones , of that I have no doubt .
Leinster Finals on front of a paltry 38k in CP looks very bad indeed . Similarily so with Ulster Finals in Clones , but for the opposite reason . As we know Casement Park is to be properly redeveloped , so good for them up there . There is no doubt though that Leinster needs a venue which can hold 50k such as Limk or Thurlas 60k . That is something HQ should certainly be taking a serious look into .
QuoteOh right I see there is no logical basis that Limk could get to the AI this year , I see , I see . How foolish of me to think that Therefore everything that comes out of my mouth is purely wreckless and wild .
I see you've no problem using those daft face things, anyway if there is a logical basis for your opinion maybe you could tells us, i don't see one and I'd say most hurling folk would agree with me.
QuoteLastly , this is absolute bolderdash . If we had what you are suggesting we would in essence have a lot less than what we presently have . You appear to me to be a little taken by restaurants , bars and hot dog stands for my liking Zulu . What we have here in Munster is fine .
What a crock, I personally couldn't care less what the stadiums have by way of facilities, as long as there is a decent seat and toilet facilities I'm not bothered about the rest. By the way Munster have the most white elephants in Ireland, Limerick, Cork, Tipp and Kerry all have grounds that can hold 35K or more and outside of Thurlas they rarely get used. Like I said, if we had one mini CP it would attract bigger crowds and make money for the GAA outside of matches, what is wrong with that? We have what we have and for political reasons we'll hold on to them all but we should still make one (in Munster that should be Thurlas) a top quality stadium that offers everything that punters expect of a modern sports stadium.
Quote from: Zulu on May 27, 2009, 01:38:17 AM
QuoteOh right I see there is no logical basis that Limk could get to the AI this year , I see , I see . How foolish of me to think that Therefore everything that comes out of my mouth is purely wreckless and wild .
I see you've no problem using those daft face things, anyway if there is a logical basis for your opinion maybe you could tells us, i don't see one and I'd say most hurling folk would agree with me.
QuoteLastly , this is absolute bolderdash . If we had what you are suggesting we would in essence have a lot less than what we presently have . You appear to me to be a little taken by restaurants , bars and hot dog stands for my liking Zulu . What we have here in Munster is fine .
What a crock, I personally couldn't care less what the stadiums have by way of facilities, as long as there is a decent seat and toilet facilities I'm not bothered about the rest. By the way Munster have the most white elephants in Ireland, Limerick, Cork, Tipp and Kerry all have grounds that can hold 35K or more and outside of Thurlas they rarely get used. Like I said, if we had one mini CP it would attract bigger crowds and make money for the GAA outside of matches, what is wrong with that? We have what we have and for political reasons we'll hold on to them all but we should still make one (in Munster that should be Thurlas) a top quality stadium that offers everything that punters expect of a modern sports stadium.
Never mind Munster , forget about it , there is no way these things will ever change here . Leinster is where the problem lies . I 've outlined my reasons on my previous post . Here's another smiley face for you ;) , I hope that cheers you up a bit .
P. S .
I believe Limerick will wallop all round them this summer because I must believe it , I hope you can understand that . That is what belief and passion are about to me . That is why hurling is my life .
QuoteLeinster is where the problem lies
What's the problem with Leinster?
QuoteI 've outlined my reasons on my previous post
Can you not do so again, just a few quick points will do?
QuoteI believe Limerick will wallop all round them this summer because I must believe it , I hope you can understand that . That is what belief and passion are about to me . That is why hurling is my life .
A bit melodramtic for me but sure best of luck to you, I don't think ye'll beat Waterford and if ye do I don't think ye have any chance against Tipp (should they get there).
By the way if you think I have a problem with Limerick, I don't and in fact I was in Thurlas last Sunday and will be in Ennis in two weeks time for the semi against Clare, I'll also be in Thurlas for the hurling match against Waterford. I just think you are wearing thick rimmed green and white glasses.
Quote from: Zulu on May 27, 2009, 02:15:56 AM
QuoteLeinster is where the problem lies
What's the problem with Leinster?
QuoteI 've outlined my reasons on my previous post
Can you not do so again, just a few quick points will do?
QuoteI believe Limerick will wallop all round them this summer because I must believe it , I hope you can understand that . That is what belief and passion are about to me . That is why hurling is my life .
A bit melodramtic for me but sure best of luck to you, I don't think ye'll beat Waterford and if ye do I don't think ye have any chance against Tipp (should they get there).
By the way if you think I have a problem with Limerick, I don't and in fact I was in Thurlas last Sunday and will be in Ennis in two weeks time for the semi against Clare, I'll also be in Thurlas for the hurling match against Waterford. I just think you are wearing thick rimmed green and white glasses.
Glad to here it . You're a Tipp suppoerter . I'll be there this Sunday shouting for ye . I genuinely wish ye luck , but I reckon ye have the beating of them .
Problem in Leinster :
No grounds outside of the capital capable of holding a Leinster Final .
Tullamore and Nolan Park are the largest venues there and their max is roughly 30 k , simply not good enough . Leinster people should be kicking up about this .
A suitable ground developement in any of the various proud county ground needs to fastracked to solve this issue .
Another more selfish reason would be that KK would not be playing most of their Championship games at C. P . I believe KK have an unfair advantage on every other team in this respect in that they know nearly every blade of grass in the place .
There is no harm in any man looking through tinted glasses of the colours of his home county .
great crowds today. 35,100 at tipp v cork, 13,500 at leitrim v ros.... anyone know other games?
1,800 in O'Moore Park at Laois v Galway
26000 in Clones
Quote from: tyronefan on May 31, 2009, 09:49:13 PM
26000 in Clones
Looked like a lot more. Hard to see where you'd squeeze in the other 10,000!
I think we can all assume at this stage that the official attendance will *ahem* slightly underestimate the crowd. ;)
Quote1,800 in O'Moore Park at Laois v Galway
Typical Galway, sunshine supporters.
Quote from: highorlow on May 31, 2009, 10:32:00 PM
Quote1,800 in O'Moore Park at Laois v Galway
Typical Galway, sunshine supporters.
;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: tyronefan on May 31, 2009, 09:49:13 PM
26000 in Clones
Bet Mickey's glad it didn't go to Croker then or he'd have ended up with egg on his face!
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on May 31, 2009, 10:52:56 PM
Quote from: tyronefan on May 31, 2009, 09:49:13 PM
26000 in Clones
Bet Mickey's glad it didn't go to Croker then or he'd have ended up with egg on his face!
Why
Surely Mickey only concern is that Tyrone win and with their recent record in Croke Park it makes sense that they would like to play there
Quote from: tyronefan on May 31, 2009, 10:59:26 PM
Quote from: Oakleafer93 on May 31, 2009, 10:52:56 PM
Quote from: tyronefan on May 31, 2009, 09:49:13 PM
26000 in Clones
Bet Mickey's glad it didn't go to Croker then or he'd have ended up with egg on his face!
Why
Surely Mickey only concern is that Tyrone win and with their recent record in Croke Park it makes sense that they would like to play there
His claim was that that Clones wouldn't hold the crowd.
Probably not going to get those sort of crowds this year according to what we have seen so far
Would have liked to have seen a double header in Croke Park with Derry v Monaghan and Tyrone v Armagh
Quote from: tyronefan on May 31, 2009, 11:10:11 PM
Probably not going to get those sort of crowds this year according to what we have seen so far
Would have liked to have seen a double header in Croke Park with Derry v Monaghan and Tyrone v Armagh
Not until q/f stage where we have double header at least.
The crowd in Thurles was down 7k from last year's attendance.
32,200 in killarney, what about dublin v meath, cavan v ferm and clare v limerick
According to the Sunday Times there was 12,000 at the cavan fermanagh match.
Superb crowds at the games today, over 100,000 at the two big games.
Cavan Fermanagh seemed half empty but Breffni is a pretty big ground. This replay will knock the averages up too for the GAA so I think theie figures will be pretty impressive given the circumstances.
GAA have also confirmed they will cut the cost for the Cork Kerry replay by 5 euro a ticket.
200,000 or so at matches over the last 2 weedends. Not bad considering all the negative talk about the recession etc and rugby taking over. Pity the 75,000 at Dublin Meath hadnt witnessed a better game.
Quote from: ExiledGael on June 07, 2009, 11:06:10 PM
GAA have also confirmed they will cut the cost for the Cork Kerry replay by 5 euro a ticket.
Maurice Deegan special ! ;) ;)
Would a 5 euro reduction really entice any fans to the game who weren't considering going ?
Quote from: DennistheMenace on June 08, 2009, 01:12:17 AM
Would a 5 euro reduction really entice any fans to the game who weren't considering going ?
nope, but it will mean that one can have a 'free' pint after the game! It's a gesture of solidarity, as this is a replay, i'd prefer to see a bigger cut.
4,383 at Clare/Limerick Munster SFC semi-final
It was more like 6K IMO, the stand I was in was packed and the opposite stand was fairly full also, there was definitely more than 4,300 anyway.
I saw 12,831 mentioned in one paper today for the Breffni game.
A bumper weekend for crowds alright.
But no marks to the RTE sports presenter on last night's news who breathlessly informed us that the crowd in Croke Park was 3,000 less than when the same Counties met 2 years ago.
124,000 at 4 games. I doubt if that many went to the first 9 rounds of the Lge of Ireland put together(99 games.
It seems it always has to be find a negative when it's the GAA with the Dublin 4 arseholes RTE.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 08, 2009, 05:49:31 PM
I saw 12,831 mntioned in one paper today for the Breffni game.
A bumper weekend for crowds alright.
But no marks to the RET sports presenter on last night's news who breathlessly informed us that the crowd in Croke Park was 3,000 less than when the same Counties met 2 years ago.
124,00 at 4 games. I doubt if that many went to the first 9 rounds of the Lge of Ireland put together(99 games.
It seems it always has to be find a negative when it's the GAA with the Dublin 4 arseholes RTE.
In fairness the so called GAA people after the Dublin game did us no favours. They made it seem like they would rather have their teeth pulled than watch the match. I know its a shocking game but it wasn't that bad
Quote from: Gnevin on June 08, 2009, 05:56:47 PM
In fairness the so called GAA after the Dublin game did us no favours. They made it seem like they would rather have their teeth pulled than watch the match.
What the ???????? are you on about? ??? ??? ???
Quote from: Rossfan on June 08, 2009, 06:13:27 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on June 08, 2009, 05:56:47 PM
In fairness the so called GAA after the Dublin game did us no favours. They made it seem like they would rather have their teeth pulled than watch the match.
What the ???????? are you on about? ??? ??? ???
Pat Spillane and the other guy (name escapes me) made it seem like they'd of rather spent 2 hours trying to keep a secret while in the company of Jack Bauer than watch the match.
Yeah I'm getting a bit sick of their negativity as well, I was at Limerick/Clare so I didn't get to hear their 'analysis' but they don't need to go on about games being poor. They don't need to act like sky either but they should analyse the games rather than simply bitching about the quality. We can see for ourselves whether the game is good or not so we don't need them talking down the game even further.
How many times have you watched match of the day, the premiership highlights on RTE, a game of rugby etc. and the first thing out of the analysts mouth was "This was a poor game", "basic skills were bad" etc.
And it's not about being honest.
I don't need an analyst to tell me if a game was good or not, and neither does anyone else.
It seems like if every game isn't like Meath-Dublin 2007, Dublin-Mayo 2006, Armagh-Tyrone 2005, Tyrone-Kerry 2008 then we've somehow been let down.
GAA analysts are obsessed with the concept of "errors".
When did this become such a big part of talking about gaelic games?
"It was an entertaining game but there were a lot of errors" for example.
We are setting the bar way too high and that results in this constant air of negativity we now have.
Without fail, the first words out of Spillanes gob after nearly every game last year was "Was this a good game?"
What other sport is covered in this way?
I'm 100% against Sky Sports style cheerleading but FFS there has to be some sort of a happy medium.
Quote from: Jinxy on June 08, 2009, 08:04:40 PM
How many times have you watched match of the day, the premiership highlights on RTE, a game of rugby etc. and the first thing out of the analysts mouth was "This was a poor game", "basic skills were bad" etc.
And it's not about being honest.
I don't need an analyst to tell me if a game was good or not, and neither does anyone else.
It seems like if every game isn't like Meath-Dublin 2007, Dublin-Mayo 2006, Armagh-Tyrone 2005, Tyrone-Kerry 2008 then we've somehow been let down.
GAA analysts are obsessed with the concept of "errors".
When did this become such a big part of talking about gaelic games?
"It was an entertaining game but there were a lot of errors" for example.
We are setting the bar way too high and that results in this constant air of negativity we now have.
Without fail, the first words out of Spillanes gob after nearly every game last year was "Was this a good game?"
What other sport is covered in this way?
I'm 100% against Sky Sports style cheerleading but FFS there has to be some sort of a happy medium.
Spot on, and then they go on to talk about selling our games to the audience and competing with rugby.
Quote from: Jinxy on June 08, 2009, 08:04:40 PM
How many times have you watched match of the day, the premiership highlights on RTE, a game of rugby etc. and the first thing out of the analysts mouth was "This was a poor game", "basic skills were bad" etc.
And it's not about being honest.
I don't need an analyst to tell me if a game was good or not, and neither does anyone else.
It seems like if every game isn't like Meath-Dublin 2007, Dublin-Mayo 2006, Armagh-Tyrone 2005, Tyrone-Kerry 2008 then we've somehow been let down.
GAA analysts are obsessed with the concept of "errors".
When did this become such a big part of talking about gaelic games?
"It was an entertaining game but there were a lot of errors" for example.
We are setting the bar way too high and that results in this constant air of negativity we now have.
Without fail, the first words out of Spillanes gob after nearly every game last year was "Was this a good game?"
What other sport is covered in this way?
I'm 100% against Sky Sports style cheerleading but FFS there has to be some sort of a happy medium.
well said, i couldnt agree more. andy gray mostly sickens me but at least he's pushing his product, the gaa need to do the same thing. i'm not for a minute saying they should have editorial control but at least get presenters enthusiastic about the game (but not to the extent of andy gray
Agree totally here. These guys have their own agendas and are happy to make money out of the gaa but certainly are doing nothing to promote it. I've saw a lot worse and more boring soccer and rugby matches this year without the over the top reaction from the pundits. I wasnt impressed with the Dublin Meath game but some people seem to expect every match to be a classic and even at that will still go out of their way to find faults in it. You've got to remember at this stage teams are playing there first big game of the year and our finding their feet.
Sky show the most mundane things in slow motion and glam them up, all we get highlighted is a collection of the most nasty incidents in a game and if your lucky a few scores in the analysis.
The Cavan Fermanagh game was admittedly poor but there were a few moments of real quality. Martin Reilly's free taking off the deck, each one with the outside of his left foot, was unreal. Suppose camera angles and quality, and mostly money, come into it all.
30,000 at cork v kerry, 7,000 at kildare v wexford, 25,000 at limerick v waterford
Quote from: magickingdom on June 14, 2009, 08:52:05 PM
30,000 at cork v kerry, 7,000 at kildare v wexford, 25,000 at limerick v waterford
The Cork Kerry game is an excellent attendance - given that it doesn't matter a flying feck when August comes...
Quote from: magickingdom on June 14, 2009, 08:52:05 PM
30,000 at cork v kerry, 7,000 at kildare v wexford, 25,000 at limerick v waterford
30,000 me eye.
They must have let a load of people in for nothing due to the delay because there's no way there was only 30,000 at that game.
Quote from: Jinxy on June 14, 2009, 11:10:14 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on June 14, 2009, 08:52:05 PM
30,000 at cork v kerry, 7,000 at kildare v wexford, 25,000 at limerick v waterford
30,000 me eye.
They must have let a load of people in for nothing due to the delay because there's no way there was only 30,000 at that game.
Frank's a very generous man. ;)
waterford v limerick 15,000 tyrone v derry 24,000 mayo v ros 16,000 anyone know tip v clare, gal v kill and dub v wex
20,000 , 15,000 and 9,000.
I cannot see McHale Park ever holding 41000. I hope I'm wrong though.
I wouldn't like to see another 8,000 trying to squeeze into Casement either!
thanks ross
From RTE:
Despite the economic downturn, the average turnout at GAA championship venues so far this year is up over 11 percent on 2008.
It's a remarkable statistic seeing that the Association was bracing itself for a fall-off as the country struggles to deal with the current fiscal crisis.
In a survey carried out by the Irish Independent, all four provinces have showed an increase in those going through the turnstiles, with Munster the big winner, as evidenced by a 22.7 percent increase.
The Cork v Kerry and Limerick v Waterford replays in football and hurling respectively have no doubt contributed to this, yet leaving these matches aside, the increase is 15.9 percent.
With the football and hurling finals to come, Munster council officials can look forward to easily surpassing 2008 figures, as are the Connacht council, where the average attendance going to games this summer is already up 11 percent on last summer.
Leinster has reported an increase of 1.6 percent and with the Dublin hurlers in the provincial final, and the footballers fancied to book their place in a fifth consecutive decider, that figure should improve dramatically. In Ulster, attendances are up by 1.23 precent.
Much has been said about the standard of football on view so far in this year's championship, yet that negative perception has not lessened the public's enthusiasm for the early season battles and with the qualifiers around the corner in both hurling and football, followed by the All Ireland series, the GAA can look forward to bucking the recession trend.
Whether the Association will garner extra revenue remains to be seen as various initiatives, such as cheaper family tickets, were put in place this year.
i was just about to post that in a thread of its own..... some good news
Will many Dubs attend the Leinster Hurling Final?
Could be 1974 all over again...maybe.
i have no doubt the crowd will be bigger then last years final (19k). much bigger imo, even tho killkenny will win its a game that i'd love to go to..
11,441 at Markievicz, 14,4... at Tullamore and didnt hear how many were in Croke Park which seemed to have an awful lot of gaps.
( Memo to John Costello and Tommy Lyons ...how many times have ye haughtily informed us over the years that the "Dubs can fill Croke Park on their own" ;))
Quote from: Rossfan on June 28, 2009, 06:56:05 PM
11,441 at Markievicz, 14,4... at Tullamore and didnt hear how many were in Croke Park which seemed to have an awful lot of gaps.
( Memo to John Costello and Tommy Lyons ...how many times have ye haughtily informed us over the years that the "Dubs can fill Croke Park on their own" ;))
Just over 50,000 at Croke Park I think.
anyone know how many at clones yesterday?
16,000
29,000 at dubs v killkenny, 5,000 at meath v waterford, 2,000 at louth v tip. anyone got the cork v lim and the rest of last nights qualifers?
Quote from: ExiledGael on June 28, 2009, 09:32:43 PM
16,000
In Clones yesterday? No way - is that official? I thought it looked more like about 9,000.
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 05, 2009, 06:03:12 PM
Quote from: ExiledGael on June 28, 2009, 09:32:43 PM
16,000
In Clones yesterday? No way - is that official? I thought it looked more like about 9,000.
that was posted june 28, dont know what was there yesterday
Quote from: magickingdom on July 05, 2009, 06:10:12 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 05, 2009, 06:03:12 PM
Quote from: ExiledGael on June 28, 2009, 09:32:43 PM
16,000
In Clones yesterday? No way - is that official? I thought it looked more like about 9,000.
that was posted june 28, dont know what was there yesterday
Ah right - missed that!
Yeah - i think about 9-10,000 yesterday, max.
clare galway 14,000 mon v derry 8,000k meath v w meath 8,000 dub v kil 74,500 tip v waterford 50,000 anyone know the rest?
They reckoned there were about 9500 in Wexford Park by the time the hurling started. I'd say about 6000 during the football with a great crowd from Ros 1500 or more.
I'm sure I heard somewhere about 4000 in Pearse Pk but not sure if I heard right.
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 05, 2009, 06:03:12 PM
Quote from: ExiledGael on June 28, 2009, 09:32:43 PM
16,000
In Clones yesterday? No way - is that official? I thought it looked more like about 9,000.
just saw it on the sunday game, awful attendance you would have though after the last meeting they would have being a bigger crowd
Quote from: magickingdom on July 05, 2009, 06:10:12 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 05, 2009, 06:03:12 PM
Quote from: ExiledGael on June 28, 2009, 09:32:43 PM
16,000
In Clones yesterday? No way - is that official? I thought it looked more like about 9,000.
that was posted june 28, dont know what was there yesterday
Just noticed this - the Armagh and Monaghan game had just over 12,500.
the attendance at clones was 8,200, as predicted on here last week. Probably 7k monaghan, 1k Derry.
Think there was 13k at the ulster championship game in may.
the Saturday games at 3pm are normally poor attendances. i know a good few who couldnt go because of work.If playing these games on a Saturday, they should be later in the day.
QuoteIf playing these games on a Saturday, they should be later in the day.
But there are also people who wouldnt go to a later match as they wont get home until late that night
Quote from: donelli on July 13, 2009, 10:50:31 AM
the attendance at clones was 8,200, as predicted on here last week. Probably 7k monaghan, 1k Derry.
Think there was 13k at the ulster championship game in may.
the Saturday games at 3pm are normally poor attendances. i know a good few who couldnt go because of work.If playing these games on a Saturday, they should be later in the day.
The problem is that for the Armagh match, once it went to extra time, it was very dark in Clones without floodlights. Saturday evening past was even darker.
Quote from: magickingdom on July 12, 2009, 08:44:20 PM
clare galway 14,000 mon v derry 8,000k meath v w meath 8,000 dub v kil 74,500 tip v waterford 50,000 anyone know the rest?
The attendance in Thurles was 40,330. Not great for a Munster Hurling Final at that venue.
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 13, 2009, 02:28:53 PM
Quote from: donelli on July 13, 2009, 10:50:31 AM
the attendance at clones was 8,200, as predicted on here last week. Probably 7k monaghan, 1k Derry.
Think there was 13k at the ulster championship game in may.
the Saturday games at 3pm are normally poor attendances. i know a good few who couldnt go because of work.If playing these games on a Saturday, they should be later in the day.
The problem is that for the Armagh match, once it went to extra time, it was very dark in Clones without floodlights. Saturday evening past was even darker.
the matches should then be played on a sunday, if saturday evening games cant be accomadated.
anyone got figures for this w/e? donegal v derry 11,500 but dont have anymore
25K plus in Galway
32k in Clones, capacity about 34k
6k at the Wicklow Down game
24,163 at the double header in Semple Stadium, Thurles on Saturday - All-Ire SHC Phase 3 Qual: Laois/Limerick; Cork/Galway
32,632 at the double header in St Tiernach's Park, Clones on Sunday - Ulster SFC - Antrim/Tyrone; Ulster MFC - Armagh/Down
Quote from: Rois on July 19, 2009, 09:59:37 PM
32k in Clones, capacity about 34k
how many antrim? How come their hurlers get feck all support, I'd always assumed that since the county board prioritise hurling they'd get similar numbers at their hurling that the football counties would at football, but I've seen a fair few of their all ireland quarters etc and there's never been much more than a handful of them there.
Quote from: laoisgaa on July 19, 2009, 11:10:40 PM
24,163 at the double header in Semple Stadium, Thurles on Saturday - All-Ire SHC Phase 3 Qual: Laois/Limerick; Cork/Galway
32,632 at the double header in St Tiernach's Park, Clones on Sunday - Ulster SFC - Antrim/Tyrone; Ulster MFC - Armagh/Down
Good numbers considering.
Quote from: Bogball XV on July 20, 2009, 01:37:24 AM
Quote from: Rois on July 19, 2009, 09:59:37 PM
32k in Clones, capacity about 34k
how many antrim? How come their hurlers get feck all support, I'd always assumed that since the county board prioritise hurling they'd get similar numbers at their hurling that the football counties would at football, but I've seen a fair few of their all ireland quarters etc and there's never been much more than a handful of them there.
Bogball, I'd guess about 12k at least were Antrim.
In relation to the hurling v football support question, while by and large the games are played in different areas - North Antrim hurling, South West Antrim football, South Antrim (i.e. Belfast) both - the potential support for both is the same. What you saw yesterday was either a county starved off success having its day in the sun or bandwaggonering at its best, depending on your opinion. A big crowd followed the hurlers in the late 80s and early 90s when they had a good team, at a time when the footballers were getting beat in the first round each year in front of a small support.
Any run of success in either hurling or football would see the crowds increasing - the problem with the hurlers at the minute is that it seems to be two steps forward, three steps back and people are not prepared to travel to Croker or whereever when there is no real prospect of a result.
That sort of attitude can be criticised, but on the other hand, why would people travel (in large numbers) year after year when no visible progress is being made.
Quote from: Bogball XV on July 20, 2009, 01:37:24 AM
Quote from: Rois on July 19, 2009, 09:59:37 PM
32k in Clones, capacity about 34k
how many antrim? How come their hurlers get feck all support, I'd always assumed that since the county board prioritise hurling they'd get similar numbers at their hurling that the football counties would at football, but I've seen a fair few of their all ireland quarters etc and there's never been much more than a handful of them there.
How to get the crowds when you know the odds are your going to have you ass handed to you.
Quote from: Gnevin on July 20, 2009, 02:20:13 PM
Quote from: Bogball XV on July 20, 2009, 01:37:24 AM
Quote from: Rois on July 19, 2009, 09:59:37 PM
32k in Clones, capacity about 34k
how many antrim? How come their hurlers get feck all support, I'd always assumed that since the county board prioritise hurling they'd get similar numbers at their hurling that the football counties would at football, but I've seen a fair few of their all ireland quarters etc and there's never been much more than a handful of them there.
How to get the crowds when you know the odds are your going to have you ass handed to you.
I thought the travelling support to croker last month was very poor, especially given the significance of the game, whilst the dubs ended up half convincing winners they were out hurled in the first half and had antrim taken some of their goal chances the dubs would have been up against it.
4,864 official attendance at the Hyde. It looked like about 7,000 but u 16s werent being charged so both figures could well be accurate.
Probably 64 from Wexford.
Any word on the attendances over the weekend ???
8,514 at SFC Qualifier Round 4 - Antrim v Kerry at O'Connor Park, Tullamore
17,700 at SFC Qual Rnd 4 Kildare/Wicklow; SHC Relg Clare/Wexford and MHC qtr-final Wexford/Tipp @ O'Moore Park, Portlaoise
12,000 in Navan.
(It was actually a good bit more but keep it under your hat).
49,761 in Croker today.
Sellout tomorrow.
about 8,000 last night at meath v limerick
34000 in Croke Park on Sturday for a triple header -
How many are they expecting at the weekend ?
Nice wee bonus here for the GAA -
Four counties have been handed fines of €5,000 each over incidents in the recent All-Ireland Football qualifiers.
Longford and Wexford received the punishment after unsavoury scenes in their clash on 13 July.
Cavan and Fermanagh have also been sanctioned for similar scenes in their encounter on the same day.
The Breffni County did seek to have their fine commuted, but were unsuccessful. However, selector Anthony Forde did have his eight-week ban overturned.
Fermanagh are set to appeal the suspension of player Sean Quigley, with Wexford also to contest the one-match ban handed to David Murphy. Along with Longford, both counties will be appealing the €5,000 fine.
Quote from: orangeman on July 30, 2013, 03:05:38 PM
How many are they expecting at the weekend ?
I'd be surprised if Saturday isn't close to capacity. Cork aside, the three other teams will bring good support - the Dubs obviously bringing the bulk.
Quote from: orangeman on July 30, 2013, 03:05:38 PM
34000 in Croke Park on Sturday for a triple header -
How many are they expecting at the weekend ?
Nice wee bonus here for the GAA -
Four counties have been handed fines of €5,000 each over incidents in the recent All-Ireland Football qualifiers.
Longford and Wexford received the punishment after unsavoury scenes in their clash on 13 July.
Cavan and Fermanagh have also been sanctioned for similar scenes in their encounter on the same day.
The Breffni County did seek to have their fine commuted, but were unsuccessful. However, selector Anthony Forde did have his eight-week ban overturned.
Fermanagh are set to appeal the suspension of player Sean Quigley, with Wexford also to contest the one-match ban handed to David Murphy. Along with Longford, both counties will be appealing the €5,000 fine.
Thought 34,000 was decent enough for the games considering the numbers coming from London, Galway and Cork. Judging by the fact that the full ground is now open on Saturday including the nally terrace you'd have to imagine they're expecting well over 70,000. On Sunday they've also took the decision to open the hill and upper hogan so must be expecting 50-60,000.
The gaa announced a few weeks ago that attendances were up 12% this year to date. Given the way the draws have worked out in both hurling and football for the rest of the year it looks like being a bumper year for the gaa. This weeks quarter finals must be one of the best set of fixtures since they began.
I bet the Linfield boys would love to pull in crowds like the GAA do!
Quote from: Sandy Hill on July 30, 2013, 08:45:44 PM
I bet the Linfield boys would love to pull in crowds like the GAA do!
Linfield probably couldn't give a shite either way saying as they're subsidised by the IFA.
If they're going to close sections of Croke Park when expecting low attendances then I'd close the Nally terrace, upper Hogan and upper canal end, although I'm not sure how feasible that is with the open layout.
My reasoning is there's nothing as bad looking on TV as empty seats or terraces behind the goals where the camera spends a fair bit of time pointing. Better to pack the people in instead of spreading them out. Makes a better atmosphere at the match too.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on July 30, 2013, 09:32:59 PM
If they're going to close sections of Croke Park when expecting low attendances then I'd close the Nally terrace, upper Hogan and upper canal end, although I'm not sure how feasible that is with the open layout.
My reasoning is there's nothing as bad looking on TV as empty seats or terraces behind the goals where the camera spends a fair bit of time pointing. Better to pack the people in instead of spreading them out. Makes a better atmosphere at the match too.
thats exactly what the do!
Loais brought a thousand or so last Sunday to Nowlan park for LSFC match with Dublin. Anyone want to guess what the attendance will be in Portlaoise Saturday against Armagh in qualifier considering it clashes with Ireland's Euro opener and other live TV on the day, plus the game itself is being televised?
2,000 being ambitious?
2500 Armaghs and 500 Laoishites.
Scary how quickly attendances are falling, how bad will they have to be before the GAA takes action.
Was there a hurling semi-final in the 80s with only around 8000 at it? I'm sure I heard that somewhere.
Probably, hurling attendances really picked up in the 90's.
Edit: 1984 semi between Cork and Antrim had an attendance of 2343 in Croke Park.
1985 Semi finals were a double header, Offaly and Antrim, Galway and Cork, attendance 8205.
Real stupid timing for game. Surely if done at pressure from TV contract it is easy to have a "terms and conditions" added that final decision rests with GAA. This is a battle the GAA cannot win and leaves it looking very foolish as the media will be very quick to follow the Euros report on the sports news with footage of an empty lacklustre O'Moore park.
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on June 08, 2016, 09:13:32 PM
1985 Semi finals were a double header, Offaly and Antrim, Galway and Cork, attendance 8205.
Feck sake, one county's backroom team would fill more seats than that. :D
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on June 08, 2016, 08:48:20 PM
Scary how quickly attendances are falling, how bad will they have to be before the GAA takes action.
every year about this time we get some chicken licken shouting about how the sky is falling in . its as predictable as one of Brolly Rants and responses
of xourse the crowds are small so far . were still sorting the Wheat from the Chaff
To be honest given the amount of turkey shoots and flagged "negative tactics" I for one am amazed attendances are so high tbh .
Also with the good weather many hit the beaches etc ...
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on June 08, 2016, 09:13:32 PM
1985 Semi finals were a double header, Offaly and Antrim, Galway and Cork, attendance 8205.
The Offaly-Antrim game in 1985 was in played in Armagh in front of approx 3,000 people.
The Cork-Galway game in Croke Park had the 8,205 attendance.
Admittedly a trip north of the border in the mid 80s wasn't a vote winner and the Cork-Galway game was played in monsoon conditions, but the figures are revealing all the same.
1982 AI semi Kerry/ Armagh 17,000.
1985 AI semi Kerry v Monaghan 19,000.
Replay had around 55k as people saw competitiveness.
Has anyone got attendance figures for the games over the weekend just past?
Quote from: Rossfan on June 09, 2016, 05:15:29 PM
1982 AI semi Kerry/ Armagh 17,000.
1985 AI semi Kerry v Monaghan 19,000.
Replay had around 55k as people saw competitiveness.
I'd imagine that is a key factor for people in deciding to attend a match.
The first round of the qualifiers has thrown up a fair number of games that should be competitive so attendances shouldn't be too bad I'd imagine.
There will hardly be 500 at Westmeath and Kildare now with the soccer on. Some drunkards might stumble in for the second game but if the soccer goes to extra time there will need to be a delayed throw in.
Throw in times moved to 4.30 and 6, good call under the circumstances.
Couldn't do it for laois v Armagh last week though. Everyone treated the same as usual by the gaa
Mayo v Galway Att: 21,783 Match live on Sky sports 3 as well
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on June 08, 2016, 09:13:32 PM
1985 Semi finals were a double header, Offaly and Antrim, Galway and Cork, attendance 8205.
Are you sure KS? I'm nearly sure the Offaly v Antrim game was a stand-alone match. The reason I question it is that I'm sure it was played in Armagh!
Quote from: maccer on June 22, 2016, 11:19:58 PM
Couldn't do it for laois v Armagh last week though. Everyone treated the same as usual by the gaa
I wouldn't be surprised if the low attendance at this, convinced the GAA powers that be that a change was necessary.
I expect there will less than 40k in Croke Park on Sunday - recent trends would normally put the attendance at 45-50K although when Kildare were going well in 2011 it was nearly 60k at the game. Dublin will bring the majority but it might be as low as 20-25K, Kildare maybe 2K and East and Westmeath 10K. Zero promotion, a lot of apathy and €30 a ticket.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 24, 2016, 04:30:19 PM
I expect there will less than 40k in Croke Park on Sunday - recent trends would normally put the attendance at 45-50K although when Kildare were going well in 2011 it was nearly 60k at the game. Dublin will bring the majority but it might be as low as 20-25K, Kildare maybe 2K and East and Westmeath 10K. Zero promotion, a lot of apathy and €30 a ticket.
Suits above in Croke Park
Quote from: heffo on June 24, 2016, 04:37:49 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 24, 2016, 04:30:19 PM
I expect there will less than 40k in Croke Park on Sunday - recent trends would normally put the attendance at 45-50K although when Kildare were going well in 2011 it was nearly 60k at the game. Dublin will bring the majority but it might be as low as 20-25K, Kildare maybe 2K and East and Westmeath 10K. Zero promotion, a lot of apathy and €30 a ticket.
Suits above in Croke Park
As in they would be happy with the attendance? Would the trend not worry them?
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 24, 2016, 04:41:40 PM
Quote from: heffo on June 24, 2016, 04:37:49 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 24, 2016, 04:30:19 PM
I expect there will less than 40k in Croke Park on Sunday - recent trends would normally put the attendance at 45-50K although when Kildare were going well in 2011 it was nearly 60k at the game. Dublin will bring the majority but it might be as low as 20-25K, Kildare maybe 2K and East and Westmeath 10K. Zero promotion, a lot of apathy and €30 a ticket.
Suits above in Croke Park
As in they would be happy with the attendance? Would the trend not worry them?
They should be worried - games Sunday should be in Mullingar & Navan - another soulless Sunday in prospect
Quote from: heffo on June 24, 2016, 04:53:05 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 24, 2016, 04:41:40 PM
Quote from: heffo on June 24, 2016, 04:37:49 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 24, 2016, 04:30:19 PM
I expect there will less than 40k in Croke Park on Sunday - recent trends would normally put the attendance at 45-50K although when Kildare were going well in 2011 it was nearly 60k at the game. Dublin will bring the majority but it might be as low as 20-25K, Kildare maybe 2K and East and Westmeath 10K. Zero promotion, a lot of apathy and €30 a ticket.
Suits above in Croke Park
As in they would be happy with the attendance? Would the trend not worry them?
They should be worried - games Sunday should be in Mullingar & Navan - another soulless Sunday in prospect
Yea I think everyone in Leinster would agree on that.
No Corporate Boxes or Premium Seats in Mullingar or Navan.
Have to have a load of events for them well heeled folks.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 24, 2016, 05:08:25 PM
No Corporate Boxes or Premium Seats in Mullingar or Navan.
Have to have a load of events for them well heeled folks.
+ 1
People get hung up on the attendance figures, but that is not where the big bucks are. Add in the beer and over priced hot dogs sales and, that is why Croker is ka-ching central for the Leinster Council. The place will have all the atmosphere of a morgue though....
€20 or £16 adult price and £8 for juveniles a disgrace today at St Johns on Whiterock Road. Same at the Marshes etc I assume. Catch a fcukin grip GAA.
Quote from: hardstation on June 25, 2016, 09:57:53 PM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on June 25, 2016, 09:48:16 PM
€20 or £16 adult price and £8 for juveniles a disgrace today at St Johns on Whiterock Road. Same at the Marshes etc I assume. Catch a fcukin grip GAA.
Mental. To stand on a grass bank.
£16 for a seat and a thoroughly entertaining 90 minutes in the Marshes. Decent value.
I felel your pain though.
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on June 25, 2016, 10:01:00 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 25, 2016, 09:57:53 PM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on June 25, 2016, 09:48:16 PM
€20 or £16 adult price and £8 for juveniles a disgrace today at St Johns on Whiterock Road. Same at the Marshes etc I assume. Catch a fcukin grip GAA.
Mental. To stand on a grass bank.
£16 for a seat and a thoroughly entertaining 90 minutes in the Marshes. Decent value.
I felel your pain though.
Agree about the entertainment but £16 is still too dear.
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 25, 2016, 10:12:32 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on June 25, 2016, 10:01:00 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 25, 2016, 09:57:53 PM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on June 25, 2016, 09:48:16 PM
€20 or £16 adult price and £8 for juveniles a disgrace today at St Johns on Whiterock Road. Same at the Marshes etc I assume. Catch a fcukin grip GAA.
Mental. To stand on a grass bank.
£16 for a seat and a thoroughly entertaining 90 minutes in the Marshes. Decent value.
I felel your pain though.
Agree about the entertainment but £16 is still too dear.
It is. As a neutral I struck lucky. I had thought about going to Corrigan to watch the Antrim Limerick game.
As an irrelevant comparison, I paid €15 into a bundesliga match in the Olympic stadium in Berlin six weeks ago.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 24, 2016, 04:30:19 PM
I expect there will less than 40k in Croke Park on Sunday - recent trends would normally put the attendance at 45-50K although when Kildare were going well in 2011 it was nearly 60k at the game. Dublin will bring the majority but it might be as low as 20-25K, Kildare maybe 2K and East and Westmeath 10K. Zero promotion, a lot of apathy and €30 a ticket.
Nearly 43K in the end, I have no idea where they were all hiding, was the Upper Hogan open or something?
I was lower Hogan but I would have estimated the crowd to be in the low forty thousands alright.
Haven't seen any official figures except for 1,623 at Derry v Louth but I suspect the 8 Qualifier games hardly attracted 10,000 between them.
€20 to see Sligo Leitrim in the qualifiers tomorrow evening, while you can get into terrace in breffni for Donegal Monaghan for €15. Where is the sense in this?