Its the clash of All Ireland champions against the team of the decade ;) in Omagh the next weekend, after next weekend :P and both will be intent on getting a second win under their belts.
Should be a cracker
Kerry and tyrone always a cracker..... If mickey mcgee plays kerry even could win ;)
QuoteIts the clash of All Ireland champions against the team of the decade
Is that a Tyrone training session you are referring to KM. ;)
Quote from: Kerry Mike on February 01, 2009, 04:11:25 PM
Its the clash of All Ireland champions against the team of the decade ;) in Omagh next weekend and both will be intent on getting a second win under their belts.
Should be a cracker
Er... you'll be in Healy Park on your own if you turn up.
Are the Tyrone boys not even bothered to go Ziggy?
Quote from: comethekingdom on February 01, 2009, 10:00:27 PM
Are the Tyrone boys not even bothered to go Ziggy?
Yeah, but like everyone else, we'll be there on the 15th.
Yip - Sunday 14:30 throw in
Apparantly Galvin is deadly romantic and didn't want to be playing on Valentines.
Regardless of when its on I'd say tyrone are certs! They seemed to be very well organised against the Dubs last night and with SON flying the way he is now he'll be in some shape by the autumn! The 2 in a row is Tyrones to lose.
Quote from: comethekingdom on February 01, 2009, 10:32:19 PM
Regardless of when its on I'd say tyrone are certs! They seemed to be very well organised against the Dubs last night and with SON flying the way he is now he'll be in some shape by the autumn! The 2 in a row is Tyrones to lose.
;D
The first yerra of 2009. ;D
I hear it's going to be tickets for the stand ??? Anybody confirm this ?
Quote from: orangeman on February 01, 2009, 10:53:00 PM
I hear it's going to be tickets for the stand ??? Anybody confirm this ?
Never heard that but wouldnt rule it out. Not sure if its neccesary especially if its on tv (Im guessing it is). Would expect a good crowd maybe 10-12,000 if its a good day.
What's the story with big Dara (Kingdom) lads? Is he taking a break or is he still traumatised by Pat the Plank shoving that glorious image of Captain Fantastic lifting SAM in September last in his mush?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 02, 2009, 09:15:58 PM
What's the story with big Dara (Kingdom) lads? Is he taking a break or is he still traumatised by Pat the Plank shoving that glorious image of Captain Fantastic lifting SAM in September last in his mush?
I have not heard Fear .Tell us what is the story with tickets ? . I am planning the trip and would appreciate if any one could give me directions to where Healy Park is located .
Quote from: hardstation on February 02, 2009, 09:31:49 PM
Dig someone on the Saturday night. You'll be brought to Omagh Peeler station for questioning. When they let you out on Sunday morning, turn right and keep dandering up that road. You'll see Healy Park, on your right.
I am a pacifist so I will skip on that but thanks anyway
Quote from: johnpower on February 02, 2009, 09:27:30 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 02, 2009, 09:15:58 PM
What's the story with big Dara (Kingdom) lads? Is he taking a break or is he still traumatised by Pat the Plank shoving that glorious image of Captain Fantastic lifting SAM in September last in his mush?
I have not heard Fear .Tell us what is the story with tickets ? . I am planning the trip and would appreciate if any one could give me directions to where Healy Park is located .
http://www.squareball.com/club-county/pitch-finder/ (http://www.squareball.com/club-county/pitch-finder/)
I think Darragh has not committed to the cause for 2009 yet, but with David Moran throwing good shapes and Horse Kennelly on the plane home as we speak it will make for a competive midfield this summer, Seamus Scanlon too will be under pressure as Anthony Maher is shaping up as well, while Mike Quirke and Kieran Donaghy are to return to the fold soon as well as Tomas O'Se in the half back line.
Will be an interesting few weeks ahead in training but a bit early in the year for too much skelping.
Quote from: johnpower on February 02, 2009, 09:27:30 PM
I am planning the trip and would appreciate if any one could give me directions to where Healy Park is located .
Couple of maps John (Healy Park is Omagh St Enda's home ground, and it's on the Gortin Road):
Healy Park (http://www.omaghstendas.com/ocms/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=116)
Map of Omagh (http://www.multimap.com/maps/?qs=omagh&countryCode=GB#map=54.60952,-7.30004%7C16%7C4&bd=useful_information&loc=GB:54.60028:-7.29908:14%7Comagh%7COmagh,%20County%20Tyrone,%20Northern%20Ireland,%20BT78%201)
It'll be interesting to see if Mickey steps down a few of the probables in order to get a good look at the possibles now that the big TV game has passed off without a hitch. You feel like wrapping Stephen O'Neill up in cotton wool until late Spring. Those who came on against Dublin - Quinn, Hughes, Penrose and Cavanagh may see more time.
Cooper and Walsh looked lively enough yesterday.
From Gaelic Life Blog:
You don't have to be mad to work here...
Posted by
John Hughes
on 02 Feb 09
Jack O'Connor reported for duty with Kerry yesterday. No doubt he was delighted to get his second stint at the reins off to a good start with a win over Donegal. Particularly given that they are nordies.
After O'Connor's bilious account of his first stretch with Kerry, 'Keys to the Kingdom', we all know that he has a special place in his heart for the northern brethren. His obsession with Armagh and more particularly Tyrone bordered on the paranoia. It's arguable that the only reason he's back at all is to bury the ghost of Tyrone, having already accounted for Armagh.
He will have seen the endless column inches lauding Mickey Harte as one of the greatest ever and he won't have been smiling approvingly as he read it.
Last year's All-Ireland final was gruesome viewing for Kerry folk, but in a certain corner of Dromid it would have screened like a real video nasty. Jack O'Connor must have been horrified as Mickey Harte went about dismantling the Kerry challenge, beating them by five points. No ambiguity about that result. Tyrone's third victory of the noughties left a big fat question mark over O'Connor's legacy and his stature in the Kerry pantheon of great managers.
No wonder he signed up for a second tour with the Kingdom.
The return of Tadhg Kennelly has O'Connor's paw prints all over it. It is the action of a man desperate to do anything he can to get that winning edge. There is no stone this man will leave unturned in his mission to beat Tyrone, to show the world that he was the best all along. And if he doesn't beat them this year on the way to the All-Ireland, the victory would be as hollow as the Sam Maguire.
O'Connor has a fixation with Tyrone now, a touch of madness about the whole thing. He is like a modern day Captain Ahab, pitting himself against a force that he is determined to best, but which may end up overwhelming him.
A touch of madness isn't a bad thing. It is driven, focused, people that get anything of any worth done in this world. The question is whether a tormented O'Connor can channel his madness for the good of Kerry, or whether his obsession will end up ultimately destroying his legacy and the team.
Quote from: ONeill on February 02, 2009, 10:26:36 PM
It'll be interesting to see if Mickey steps down a few of the probables in order to get a good look at the possibles now that the big TV game has passed off without a hitch. You feel like wrapping Stephen O'Neill up in cotton wool until late Spring. Those who came on against Dublin - Quinn, Hughes, Penrose and Cavanagh may see more time.
Cooper and Walsh looked lively enough yesterday.
agree with this statement think the likes of penrose, Keving Hughes, Pj Quinn will be started anyone fancy naming what they think wil be line up? Justin McMahon looks like he needs a lot of game time to get back to the heights of last year but it early days yet
Quote from: longball on February 02, 2009, 10:40:50 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 02, 2009, 10:26:36 PM
It'll be interesting to see if Mickey steps down a few of the probables in order to get a good look at the possibles now that the big TV game has passed off without a hitch. You feel like wrapping Stephen O'Neill up in cotton wool until late Spring. Those who came on against Dublin - Quinn, Hughes, Penrose and Cavanagh may see more time.
Cooper and Walsh looked lively enough yesterday.
agree with this statement think the likes of penrose, Keving Hughes, Pj Quinn will be started anyone fancy naming what they think wil be line up? Justin McMahon looks like he needs a lot of game time to get back to the heights of last year but it early days yet
Justy's in the midst of the Sigerson campaign (captaining St Mary's) and should actually be in good shape. Perhaps last Wednesday's game v Carlow had some impact.
Quote from: ONeill on February 02, 2009, 10:26:36 PM
It'll be interesting to see if Mickey steps down a few of the probables in order to get a good look at the possibles now that the big TV game has passed off without a hitch. You feel like wrapping Stephen O'Neill up in cotton wool until late Spring. Those who came on against Dublin - Quinn, Hughes, Penrose and Cavanagh may see more time.
Cooper and Walsh looked lively enough yesterday.
I was just thinking that. Looks like it will be fairly non-physical league, but would still like to see him given a bit of rest and a few new faces tried out as well.
Quote from: ONeill on February 02, 2009, 10:26:36 PM
It'll be interesting to see if Mickey steps down
couldnt believe you wrote that until i read on :D
I can forsee Cassidy + AN Other playing in Midfield against Kerry. Give Mickey a chance to see what kind of Midfield he can put together if anything were to cause Enda to miss a game/ be yellow carded.
Can also see the back line being changed around with McMenemin being pushed out to wing back and Joe McMahon going to centre Half back to help with the kickouts down the middle.
It'll be interesting to see if Mickey steps down - ONeill
Again I would urge Tyrone supporters not to panic and at least let him see out the league.
I cant see Joe McMahon going to centre back. I think Mickey will be keen to give the block some game time on his return from honeymoon so he is not left behind. His form dipped in the early championship rounds because he opted out for a while for a break at the start of last year.
Otherwise Penrose may come in for Tommy, PJ Quinn may start in place of Magee with Ricey dropping to the bench as well after what I would call a poor defensive performanceo no saturday
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 02, 2009, 10:20:43 PM
Quote from: johnpower on February 02, 2009, 09:27:30 PM
I am planning the trip and would appreciate if any one could give me directions to where Healy Park is located .
Couple of maps John (Healy Park is Omagh St Enda's home ground, and it's on the Gortin Road):
Healy Park (http://www.omaghstendas.com/ocms/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=116)
Map of Omagh (http://www.multimap.com/maps/?qs=omagh&countryCode=GB#map=54.60952,-7.30004%7C16%7C4&bd=useful_information&loc=GB:54.60028:-7.29908:14%7Comagh%7COmagh,%20County%20Tyrone,%20Northern%20Ireland,%20BT78%201)
Thanks Fear
No problem John, regarding tickets, there's a rumour that the Stand (only) will be all-ticket but I'd imagine that you'll be able to get those on the day itself at the ground, otherwise it's non-ticketed.
Will Star be back for this one do you think? If he is, I can see the two Mc Mahons being detailed to do the job on himself and Walsh again.
Tyrone to win easy
Quote from: longball on February 02, 2009, 10:40:50 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 02, 2009, 10:26:36 PM
It'll be interesting to see if Mickey steps down a few of the probables in order to get a good look at the possibles now that the big TV game has passed off without a hitch. You feel like wrapping Stephen O'Neill up in cotton wool until late Spring. Those who came on against Dublin - Quinn, Hughes, Penrose and Cavanagh may see more time.
Cooper and Walsh looked lively enough yesterday.
agree with this statement think the likes of penrose, Keving Hughes, Pj Quinn will be started anyone fancy naming what they think wil be line up? Justin McMahon looks like he needs a lot of game time to get back to the heights of last year but it early days yet
He played a sigerson cup cup game 2 days before the dublin game. It was probably more competive than the Dublin game in terms of intensity, tough to play 2 games like that in January! ::)
Quote from: tieroan on February 03, 2009, 11:59:46 AM
I cant see Joe McMahon going to centre back. I think Mickey will be keen to give the block some game time on his return from honeymoon so he is not left behind. His form dipped in the early championship rounds because he opted out for a while for a break at the start of last year.
Otherwise Penrose may come in for Tommy, PJ Quinn may start in place of Magee with Ricey dropping to the bench as well after what I would call a poor defensive performanceo no saturday
Why would Penrose come in for Tommy? He was brilliant on saturday night,looked tired at the end ,, probably needs more games, so why drop him?
QuoteJack O'Connor reported for duty with Kerry yesterday. No doubt he was delighted to get his second stint at the reins off to a good start with a win over Donegal. Particularly given that they are nordies.
After O'Connor's bilious account of his first stretch with Kerry, 'Keys to the Kingdom', we all know that he has a special place in his heart for the northern brethren. His obsession with Armagh and more particularly Tyrone bordered on the paranoia. It's arguable that the only reason he's back at all is to bury the ghost of Tyrone, having already accounted for Armagh.
He will have seen the endless column inches lauding Mickey Harte as one of the greatest ever and he won't have been smiling approvingly as he read it.
Last year's All-Ireland final was gruesome viewing for Kerry folk, but in a certain corner of Dromid it would have screened like a real video nasty. Jack O'Connor must have been horrified as Mickey Harte went about dismantling the Kerry challenge, beating them by five points. No ambiguity about that result. Tyrone's third victory of the noughties left a big fat question mark over O'Connor's legacy and his stature in the Kerry pantheon of great managers.
No wonder he signed up for a second tour with the Kingdom.
The return of Tadhg Kennelly has O'Connor's paw prints all over it. It is the action of a man desperate to do anything he can to get that winning edge. There is no stone this man will leave unturned in his mission to beat Tyrone, to show the world that he was the best all along. And if he doesn't beat them this year on the way to the All-Ireland, the victory would be as hollow as the Sam Maguire.
O'Connor has a fixation with Tyrone now, a touch of madness about the whole thing. He is like a modern day Captain Ahab, pitting himself against a force that he is determined to best, but which may end up overwhelming him.
A touch of madness isn't a bad thing. It is driven, focused, people that get anything of any worth done in this world. The question is whether a tormented O'Connor can channel his madness for the good of Kerry, or whether his obsession will end up ultimately destroying his legacy and the team.
Lots of bait there but I'm not for bitiing....
Would imagine Harte will name another strong team. Think he will want to experiment a bit in each match during the league both in terms of players and positions but still keep a core of experienced players on. Would like to see something like this:
Devine
Swift
Joe McMahon
PJ
Ricey
Justy
Phily
Cassidy
Hub
McGinley
Tommy
Sean
Gareth Devlin
Stevie
Mugsy
Its always nice to beat Kerry so would imagine Harte wont experiment to much.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on February 03, 2009, 07:39:23 PM
QuoteJack O'Connor reported for duty with Kerry yesterday. No doubt he was delighted to get his second stint at the reins off to a good start with a win over Donegal. Particularly given that they are nordies.
After O'Connor's bilious account of his first stretch with Kerry, 'Keys to the Kingdom', we all know that he has a special place in his heart for the northern brethren. His obsession with Armagh and more particularly Tyrone bordered on the paranoia. It's arguable that the only reason he's back at all is to bury the ghost of Tyrone, having already accounted for Armagh.
He will have seen the endless column inches lauding Mickey Harte as one of the greatest ever and he won't have been smiling approvingly as he read it.
Last year's All-Ireland final was gruesome viewing for Kerry folk, but in a certain corner of Dromid it would have screened like a real video nasty. Jack O'Connor must have been horrified as Mickey Harte went about dismantling the Kerry challenge, beating them by five points. No ambiguity about that result. Tyrone's third victory of the noughties left a big fat question mark over O'Connor's legacy and his stature in the Kerry pantheon of great managers.
No wonder he signed up for a second tour with the Kingdom.
The return of Tadhg Kennelly has O'Connor's paw prints all over it. It is the action of a man desperate to do anything he can to get that winning edge. There is no stone this man will leave unturned in his mission to beat Tyrone, to show the world that he was the best all along. And if he doesn't beat them this year on the way to the All-Ireland, the victory would be as hollow as the Sam Maguire.
O'Connor has a fixation with Tyrone now, a touch of madness about the whole thing. He is like a modern day Captain Ahab, pitting himself against a force that he is determined to best, but which may end up overwhelming him.
A touch of madness isn't a bad thing. It is driven, focused, people that get anything of any worth done in this world. The question is whether a tormented O'Connor can channel his madness for the good of Kerry, or whether his obsession will end up ultimately destroying his legacy and the team.
Lots of bait there but I'm not for bitiing....
Bait??? Pure dung more like!! To credit shite like that with an informed comment - you'd only be letting yourself down!
Yes, got one! Mike was too cute but there's always one....
who is this kevin Hughes from Tyrone that writes for that Gaelic Life Blog....apparently he lives in Killarney.He writes some drivel about Kerry thats for sure. I think we have grounds for expelling him from the county along with any other Tymoan spies.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on February 04, 2009, 12:22:30 AM
who is this kevin Hughes from Tyrone that writes for that Gaelic Life Blog....apparently he lives in Killarney.He writes some drivel about Kerry thats for sure. I think we have grounds for expelling him from the county along with any other Tymoan spies.
Ah sure all Harte has to do is take a look into his back pocket to see what the kingdom is up to. ;D
has he any room in his pockets ? ..what, with all the money he is earning from "consulting" for boxers and "writing" columns....and him preaching at everybody ...bloody hypocrite !
If any of you Kerry bog-dwellers intend coming to the home of the team of the decade next weekend, please wipe your feet before crossing into the county at Aughnacloy.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on February 04, 2009, 04:25:05 AM
has he any room in his pockets ? ..what, with all the money he is earning from "consulting" for boxers and "writing" columns....and him preaching at everybody ...bloody hypocrite !
At least Harte stands over his work and his writing, not like a certain fellow manager who, in the immortal words of Liam Hayes "disowned his own autobiography after 15 minutes" :)
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on February 04, 2009, 12:22:30 AM
who is this kevin Hughes from Tyrone that writes for that Gaelic Life Blog....apparently he lives in Killarney.He writes some drivel about Kerry thats for sure. I think we have grounds for expelling him from the county along with any other Tymoan spies.
Are you going to expell his fellow Tyrone man Kieran Donaghy? Im sure we could find a place for him on the panel.
Where would we play him Alba?
Nah leave him where he is.
He's made his bed.
im heading up to this game, should be good match and hopefully a good wend in omagh.
ive slight fancy for a kerry win but result not that crucial anyway.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on February 04, 2009, 04:25:05 AM
has he any room in his pockets ? ..what, with all the money he is earning from "consulting" for boxers and "writing" columns....and him preaching at everybody ...bloody hypocrite !
Imagine doing all that and still able to find the time to beat Kerry any time he wants
QuoteIf any of you Kerry bog-dwellers intend coming to the home of the team of the decade next weekend, please wipe your feet before crossing into the county at Aughnacloy
Tyrone is a complete dump sure why would anyone want to set foot in the place ? full of vertically challenged monobrows running around saying "ach" and "youse" all the time slabbering about saint Mickey and a few lucky AI.
Still, I suppose It'll be nice for the locals to have the glamour of a Kerry visit to cheer things up amongst the dreary steeples.
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 04, 2009, 11:15:54 AM
Where would we play him Alba?
In the stand Fuzz, who needs a loser like that?
We will hopefully see a Kerry team line out some day soon with Jacko's son Aidan, Ogie's son David, Sean Walsh's son Tommy, Paidi's 3 nephews and maybe even Tim Kennelly son Tadgheen. Their fathers were all Kerry legends in the 70's and 80's, now its time for the young lads to stand up and be counted.
No sign of any Spillanes yet !!!
Ambrose O'Donavan's son is a fine footballer with Dr Crokes while John Kennedy's son has been a Kerry minor for the last few years.
BTW John Egan's young lad, John, is a fine soccer player and footballer also but it look like he will be signing accross channel shortly, watch this space, he's one that got away
Who says breeding does not count for anything.
Youll never beat our so'n
Never heard of him.
he's the one without the monobrow.
Looking forward to this. Always nice to get a guard of honour from the kingdom. We open our arms out to welcome Kerry to Omagh and bestow on them all the trappings of our newly richness.
The stand is officially all ticket, £12/€15 - available from all good clubs County wide.
Quote from: tyrone86 on February 05, 2009, 11:23:47 AM
The stand is officially all ticket, £12/€15 - available from all good clubs County wide.
Concession for sterling ??? Tickets cost £20 for Dublin match and no concession for sterling.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on February 04, 2009, 08:05:57 PM
QuoteIf any of you Kerry bog-dwellers intend coming to the home of the team of the decade next weekend, please wipe your feet before crossing into the county at Aughnacloy
Tyrone is a complete dump sure why would anyone want to set foot in the place ? full of vertically challenged monobrows running around saying "ach" and "youse" all the time slabbering about saint Mickey and a few lucky AI.
Still, I suppose It'll be nice for the locals to have the glamour of a Kerry visit to cheer things up amongst the dreary steeples.
What is it with youse southerners that you love quoting churchill so much? Just make sure youse stand in two even, straight lines outside the tunnel and bang your two hands together to make a clapping noise (I know, along with breathing that's three things youse have to do at the same time, but if youse concentrate I'm sure youse can manage it) when the All Ireland champions emerge from the dressing rooms...
Quote from: Kerry Mike on February 04, 2009, 09:43:50 PM
We will hopefully see a Kerry team line out some day soon with Jacko's son Aidan, Ogie's son David, Sean Walsh's son Tommy, Paidi's 3 nephews and maybe even Tim Kennelly son Tadgheen. Their fathers were all Kerry legends in the 70's and 80's, now its time for the young lads to stand up and be counted.
No sign of any Spillanes yet !!!
Ambrose O'Donavan's son is a fine footballer with Dr Crokes while John Kennedy's son has been a Kerry minor for the last few years.
BTW John Egan's young lad, John, is a fine soccer player and footballer also but it look like he will be signing accross channel shortly, watch this space, he's one that got away
Who says breeding does not count for anything.
I agree KM. You can't beat a bit of breeding. Even the Derry wans are at it.
It certainly would be an interesting team with all those sons of legends but as we know its often tough for a player to follow in his father's footsteps.
I suppose in Tyrone we're currently looking at the McGuigan Brothers
What's the attitude down in Kerry this year at this stage.
Is it just a coincidence that Kennelly is coming back or is there a big effort this year to win back the title and beat Tyrone?
I fear the weather will spoil the match on Sunday week if it goes ahead at all.
If Omagh is waterlogged lads what would be the alternative?
Quote from: Mickeys beard on February 04, 2009, 09:50:09 PM
Youll never beat our so'n
Quote from: Kerry Mike on February 04, 2009, 10:34:23 PM
Never heard of him.
This might help KM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xASFPcAQiEQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xASFPcAQiEQ)
QuoteLooking forward to this. Always nice to get a guard of honour from the kingdom. We open our arms out to welcome Kerry to Omagh and bestow on them all the trappings of our newly richness.
yes, there is nothing quite as vulgar as the nouveau riche.
QuoteWhat's the attitude down in Kerry this year at this stage.
Is it just a coincidence that Kennelly is coming back or is there a big effort this year to win back the title and beat Tyrone?
As you well know, Kenelly has been talking about coming home for years.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on February 05, 2009, 07:38:38 PM
QuoteLooking forward to this. Always nice to get a guard of honour from the kingdom. We open our arms out to welcome Kerry to Omagh and bestow on them all the trappings of our newly richness.
yes, there is nothing quite as vulgar as the nouveau riche.
Aye the landed aristocracy has always been so much more popular in Ireland. :)
Any fresh news over the weekend? Will Gormley line out?
Not sure about ourselves, but it looks like this buachaill could make a run out for the Kingdom...
Kennelly quickly into Kerry fold
KERRY FOOTBALL: IT APPEARS that former Sydney Swan Tadgh Kennelly may make an appearance for Kerry sooner than most people expected as he joined the Kerry squad for training in Killarney yesterday just five days after returning home.
Kerry welcomed Kennelly back and he is now expected to join the squad for rest of the NFL.
Kerry face a difficult trip to Omagh for a repeat of their All-Ireland final meeting with Tyrone and there is now an possibility that Kennelly might make the squad.
While Kerry appear to be well served for midfielders, there is a theory that Kennelly could well be tried out at full back where Kerry have struggled in recent years.
Donnacha Walsh, who picked up a hamstring strain last Sunday in Kerry's win over Donegal, is expected to be fit for the Omagh trip, but it will come too early for injured duo Kieran Donaghy and Mike Quirke.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 09, 2009, 01:27:52 PM
Not sure about ourselves, but it looks like this buachaill could make a run out for the Kingdom...
Kennelly quickly into Kerry fold
KERRY FOOTBALL: IT APPEARS that former Sydney Swan Tadgh Kennelly may make an appearance for Kerry sooner than most people expected as he joined the Kerry squad for training in Killarney yesterday just five days after returning home.
Really? Have we not been expecting it for years now?
Quote from: Zapatista on February 09, 2009, 01:29:25 PM
Really? Have we not been expecting it for years now?
As you and I well know Zap, he was a nailed on certainty, though obviously
some people have been fooled!
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on February 04, 2009, 08:05:57 PM
Tyrone is a complete dump sure why would anyone want to set foot in the place ? full of vertically challenged monobrows running around saying "ach" and "youse" all the time slabbering about saint Mickey and a few lucky AI.
Still, I suppose It'll be nice for the locals to have the glamour of a Kerry visit to cheer things up amongst the dreary steeples.
That's one dumb post. And seriously, are you a Kerry man mocking other people's accents?
Do Kerry usually come up the night before or fly up to Derry?
I'd say Tahg could help improve that half forward line.
Have Kerry any great new lads in the squad coming thru?
What state is the pitch in Omagh lads?
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on February 04, 2009, 08:05:57 PM
Tyrone is a complete dump sure why would anyone want to set foot in the place ? full of vertically challenged monobrows running around saying "ach" and "youse" all the time slabbering about saint Mickey and a few lucky AI.
Still, I suppose It'll be nice for the locals to have the glamour of a Kerry visit to cheer things up amongst the dreary steeples.
You really are a first class p***k MS. >:(
And here are two lads who think that Tyrone's just swell, even in the snow:
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45454000/jpg/_45454625_newimage.jpg)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 09, 2009, 03:30:43 PM
And here are two lads who think that Tyrone's just swell, even in the snow:
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45454000/jpg/_45454625_newimage.jpg)
Hell has frozen over according to some of the comments from Kerry wans before September :D
What's the long term weather forecast?
Lovely photo FoSB by the way.
Only got up as far as Saturday ONeill. Very wet and cold. No snow though.
http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?action=uk7dayx7;page=7;type=free;ct=21889~Omagh;sess=#forecast (http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?action=uk7dayx7;page=7;type=free;ct=21889~Omagh;sess=#forecast)
Outlook: Brass Monkeys
Quote from: ONeill on February 09, 2009, 04:59:27 PM
Lovely photo FoSB by the way.
Thanks ONeill, courtesy of one Jason Mc Cartan from Drumquin.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 09, 2009, 03:30:43 PM
And here are two lads who think that Tyrone's just swell, even in the snow:
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45454000/jpg/_45454625_newimage.jpg)
fear, would you not put a stand under them and keep them dry...
Nah mk, they said that it didn't matter what they were in just so long as it was Tyrone. As for being in Kerry... well that's a whole different story ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 09, 2009, 07:13:44 PM
Nah mk, they said that it didn't matter what they were in just so long as it was Tyrone. As for being in Kerry... well that's a whole different story ;)
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The fecking weather may mess up my trip . It should be an interesting game .Kerry will hope that the new lads can step on the Donegal performance .I will be more interested in the performance rather than the result .I doubt Tadhg K will make any appearance so it will be left to the others to prove themselves . It will be a good experience for some of the younger lads .Given the latest announcement by the Cork footballers the league could be a very important exercise for kerry .Will Tyrone make many changes from the Dublin match ?.
Hard to know. There is one theory that he stuck out his strongest available side v Dublin for the occasion that it was and that he'll perhaps try out a few possibles now. The other theory is that it's Kerry, and you always play your best side possible against the animals.
Quote from: ONeill on February 09, 2009, 08:55:19 PM
Hard to know. There is one theory that he stuck out his strongest available side v Dublin for the occasion that it was and that he'll perhaps try out a few possibles now. The other theory is that it's Kerry, and you always play your best side possible against the animals.
I am looking forward to it . Whats the pitch in Omagh like in terms of surface and size ? I suppose Tyrone will have lads on Siegersan duty ? Is there many u21 featuring for Tyrone ?
Weather permitting this should be another good game. You'd imagine Harte will make another 3 or so changes for it. Players like PJ Quinn, Gormley (if back), Hub, McGuigan (if back), Mulgrew, Colm Cavanagh, Mellon, Penrose, Gareth Devlin will all be pushing for some game time.
The pitch is crap at the best of times. Always seems heavy. Think the plan is to get a new surface some time this year.
Quote from: johnpower on February 09, 2009, 09:16:04 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 09, 2009, 08:55:19 PM
Hard to know. There is one theory that he stuck out his strongest available side v Dublin for the occasion that it was and that he'll perhaps try out a few possibles now. The other theory is that it's Kerry, and you always play your best side possible against the animals.
I am looking forward to it . Whats the pitch in Omagh like in terms of surface and size ? I suppose Tyrone will have lads on Siegersan duty ? Is there many u21 featuring for Tyrone ?
One of the worst in the country. If its wet at all on Sunday it'll ruin this game.
QuoteDo Kerry usually come up the night before or fly up to Derry?
I'd say Tahg could help improve that half forward line.
Have Kerry any great new lads in the squad coming thru?
I'd say a good few of the Kerry lads will be in Croke Park on Sat for the Junior and Inter games, Jack O'Connor's son Cian is playing for Ballinskelligs/Folimore while Skelligs Rangers play in the other game, most of the players would have come under Jack's teaching and coaching wing in Colaiste na Sceilge over the years too. The will probably travel up and stay in Monaghan or Tyrone on Sat night
A bit early for Horse Óg yet but he played a trial for Kerry over the weekend but was very rusty from the stories I have heard, will take him a few months to get anywhere near a full call up I'd say, if he does get back I'd expect to see him centre back or Midfield , but a wing back or wing forward role is also a possibility.
Should be a good cracking game in the new rules and we are in for a stern test, the Tyrone Full forward line looked very good agin the jackeens and we will have our hands full.
Cant really see too many changes in the Kerry team from the Donegal gamew but the extra 2 weeks of training will be a help. Big games needed from David Moran, Tommy Walsh and Padraig Reidy amounst others
QuoteYou really are a first class p***k MS
thanks. Its nice to be appreciated.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on February 09, 2009, 09:27:43 PM
QuoteDo Kerry usually come up the night before or fly up to Derry?
I'd say Tahg could help improve that half forward line.
Have Kerry any great new lads in the squad coming thru?
I'd say a good few of the Kerry lads will be in Croke Park on Sat for the Junior and Inter games, Jack O'Connor's son Cian is playing for Ballinskelligs/Folimore while Skelligs Rangers play in the other game, most of the players would have come under Jack's teaching and coaching wing in Colaiste na Sceilge over the years too. The will probably travel up and stay in Monaghan or Tyrone on Sat night
A bit early for Horse Óg yet but he played a trial for Kerry over the weekend but was very rusty from the stories I have heard, will take him a few months to get anywhere near a full call up I'd say, if he does get back I'd expect to see him centre back or Midfield , but a wing back or wing forward role is also a possibility.
Should be a good cracking game in the new rules and we are in for a stern test, the Tyrone Full forward line looked very good agin the jackeens and we will have our hands full.
Cant really see too many changes in the Kerry team from the Donegal gamew but the extra 2 weeks of training will be a help. Big games needed from David Moran, Tommy Walsh and Padraig Reidy amounst others
Straight out of the cute hewers handbook! ;)
watched the dvd of the last time kerry came to omagh in 2006. tyrone won by 2 that day with SON scoring a great individual goal.
some interesting notes were:
horse devlin was centre half back
kevin hughes played well at midfield
kieran donaghy played at midfield but wasnt great and ended up being sent off
it was probably one of brian mcguigan's last games for tyrone before all his injury problems.
the two best players on the field were gooch and SON
the crowd was poor enough considering tyrone were all-ireland champions - the stand wasnt even 100% full
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Who says breeding does not count for anything.
If you're not careful you'll inter-breed the 4-in-a-row team so much that there'll be kids with 3 hands running about.
I've a feeling Mickey will ring a few changes for this one alright
I'd expect Block to come back in & maybe PJ for McGee
I can see him use Mulgrew & Mellon and leave out Mugsy
Has there been much rain in Omagh the last few days or what condition is the pitch in?
If it is waterlogged will there be a plan B or just postponed?
Fuzz there hasn't been much rain anywhere up north in the last while - definately no water lying round the streets of Omagh last night and I was up Healy Park direction.
Weather forecast is for a dry Saturday so should be OK.
The Kerry Supporters club have two bus loads travelling to Omagh next weekend. Be nice to them ;) And be nice to the buses too , we need them in good nick for the trip to Dublin in Sept......
Quote from: Kerry Mike on February 10, 2009, 09:41:31 PM
The Kerry Supporters club have two bus loads travelling to Omagh next weekend. Be nice to them ;) And be nice to the buses too , we need them in good nick for the trip to Dublin in Sept......
Only two buses needed for September?
You ruling out Kerry's chances so soon KM? ;)
Thats all the support they can get even if it is an All Ireland!
Thanks for the heads up KM
Lads have the Red and white paint ready.
Forgot to ask Kerry Mike, did you have a good time at Healy Park on your own last Sunday?
Since the stand is reserved seating this time around - anyone with a season ticket know how its working for this Sunday? Are we going to be able to pick our seat or is it going to be like croker where section is reserved for season ticket holders and they give you a ticket on the day?
Seems a bit daft I think as in essence there would have to be 500 seats reserved for Season ticket holders yet I would assume not all 250 Kerry supporters will make the journey. Should Season Ticket holders not been given a deadline that they must have ordered a ticket by then the remaining could be sold on the day or issued to clubs?
Quote from: Muzz on February 11, 2009, 01:23:44 PM
Since the stand is reserved seating this time around - anyone with a season ticket know how its working for this Sunday? Are we going to be able to pick our seat or is it going to be like croker where section is reserved for season ticket holders and they give you a ticket on the day?
Seems a bit daft I think as in essence there would have to be 500 seats reserved for Season ticket holders yet I would assume not all 250 Kerry supporters will make the journey. Should Season Ticket holders not been given a deadline that they must have ordered a ticket by then the remaining could be sold on the day or issued to clubs?
Just got this from someone else who emailed the gaa about this...
As a Tyrone fan you will know that the stand in Healy Park is ticketed regularly. You will not need to pre-order tickets at all – as a Season Ticket holder you will have a seat when you get there. There is a 'sales' hatch for stand tickets in Healy Park at the main entrance. Season Ticket holders should go to the sale hatch / booth and present the Season Ticket, your Season Ticket will be scanned and you will be given your seat number.
So hopefully clears up this for a few others.
Quote from: Muzz on February 11, 2009, 01:38:47 PM
Quote from: Muzz on February 11, 2009, 01:23:44 PM
Since the stand is reserved seating this time around - anyone with a season ticket know how its working for this Sunday? Are we going to be able to pick our seat or is it going to be like croker where section is reserved for season ticket holders and they give you a ticket on the day?
Seems a bit daft I think as in essence there would have to be 500 seats reserved for Season ticket holders yet I would assume not all 250 Kerry supporters will make the journey. Should Season Ticket holders not been given a deadline that they must have ordered a ticket by then the remaining could be sold on the day or issued to clubs?
Just got this from someone else who emailed the gaa about this...
As a Tyrone fan you will know that the stand in Healy Park is ticketed regularly. You will not need to pre-order tickets at all – as a Season Ticket holder you will have a seat when you get there. There is a 'sales' hatch for stand tickets in Healy Park at the main entrance. Season Ticket holders should go to the sale hatch / booth and present the Season Ticket, your Season Ticket will be scanned and you will be given your seat number.
So hopefully clears up this for a few others.
Nice to know, but how difficult would it have been for them to just send that out to everyone anyway?
Not that difficult surely. Each county has a distribution list.
But my question still remains - does this mean they have set aside 500 stand tickets for season ticket holders - assuming they all turn up? If only 100 people show - 400 empty seats that could have been sold to others?
Has to be a better way of doing it...
Quote from: Muzz on February 11, 2009, 01:50:33 PM
But my question still remains - does this mean they have set aside 500 stand tickets for season ticket holders - assuming they all turn up? If only 100 people show - 400 empty seats that could have been sold to others?
Seems like it Muzz, but that would have been the risk that the TCB were taking when they made the Stand itself all-ticket.
According to the Hoganstand I see Gormley wont be walking back into the team this Sunday.
No it doesn't mention running either lads. ;D ;D
Quote from: Muzz on February 11, 2009, 01:50:33 PM
Not that difficult surely. Each county has a distribution list.
But my question still remains - does this mean they have set aside 500 stand tickets for season ticket holders - assuming they all turn up? If only 100 people show - 400 empty seats that could have been sold to others?
Has to be a better way of doing it...
According to the FAQs if you turn up and there are no stand tickets left then you have to go to another section of the ground. So it advises people to get there early to ensure they get a stand seat.
Tyrone team named tonight
Quote from: Kerry Mike on February 10, 2009, 09:41:31 PM
The Kerry Supporters club have two bus loads travelling to Omagh next weekend. Be nice to them ;) And be nice to the buses too , we need them in good nick for the trip to Dublin in Sept......
You really want to have your cake and eat it don't you.
Not much banter over team news this time lads
Is it just me or does this game seem quite low key now after the Dublin game
Lots of teams this year seem more interested in experimenting with new players
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 12, 2009, 11:20:48 AM
Not much banter over team news this time lads
Is it just me or does this game seem quite low key now after the Dublin game
Lots of teams this year seem more interested in experimenting with new players
I'm up for lads trying to get into the team alright, but lets not forget we're the best team in the country. Come out play the league strong and go for back-to-back Sams!
to-back ;)
tyrone team V Kerry
1 Jonathan Curran Oilean a'Ghuail
2 Martin Swift Coill an Chlochair
3 Justin McMahon An Omaigh
4 Michael McGee Loch Mhic Ruairí
5 Davy Harte Aireagal Chiaráin
6 Ryan McMenamin An Droim Mhór
7 Philip Jordan An Mhaigh
8 Enda McGinley Aireagal Chiaráin
9 Aidan Cassidy Eochar
10 Tommy McGuigan Ard Bó
11 Colm McCullagh An Droim Mhór
12 Joe McMahon An Omaigh
13 Sephen O'Neill Clann na nGael
14 Sean Cavanagh An Mhaigh
15 Owen Mulligan An Chorra Chriochach
Same as the Dublin game except Johney Curran is in goals
MH taking no chances with this one.
be nice to start with 2 wins ;D
The Kerry team to play Tyrone named at 10.00pm on Friday night 13th February.
handy looking Tyrone team. But no surprises after seeing them again the Jackeens.
Quote from: tyronefan on February 12, 2009, 09:24:20 PM
tyrone team V Kerry
1 Jonathan Curran Oilean a'Ghuail
2 Martin Swift Coill an Chlochair
3 Justin McMahon An Omaigh
4 Michael McGee Loch Mhic Ruairí
5 Davy Harte Aireagal Chiaráin
6 Ryan McMenamin An Droim Mhór
7 Philip Jordan An Mhaigh
8 Enda McGinley Aireagal Chiaráin
9 Aidan Cassidy Eochar
10 Tommy McGuigan Ard Bó
11 Colm McCullagh An Droim Mhór
12 Joe McMahon An Omaigh
13 Sephen O'Neill Clann na nGael
14 Sean Cavanagh An Mhaigh
15 Owen Mulligan An Chorra Chriochach
Same as the Dublin game except Johney Curran is in goals
Good sources...
No sign of this anywhere else yet.
Quote from: LeoMc on February 12, 2009, 10:27:06 PM
Good sources...
No sign of this anywhere else yet.
Here: Tyrone Team for Kerry game (http://www.tyronegaa.ie/county/football/news/story.jsp?newsid=753)
Bit suprised at the fact that there are no changes apart from goalkeeper. We've a strong enough panel at minute and thought Harte would have made a few changes each game. Look forward to seeing the forward line in action again and in particular the full forward line. Probably would have preferred PJ to McGee but Harte is probably rewarding McGee for effort this last few years with little games.
would rather see mc gee in febuary than september no harm to him past his best.
Quote from: aroundincircles on February 12, 2009, 10:42:58 PM
would rather see mc gee in febuary than september no harm to him past his best.
Really helpful comment at this stage of the season...
Also recall many people saying the exact same thing about "Dooher" at this stage last year...
Aroundincircles the last time Mc Gee played for Tyrone in September was V Kerry 2005. If you can recall it he wasnt too bad either to say the least.
Quote from: Muzz on February 13, 2009, 08:44:30 AM
Quote from: aroundincircles on February 12, 2009, 10:42:58 PM
would rather see mc gee in febuary than september no harm to him past his best.
Really helpful comment at this stage of the season...
Also recall many people saying the exact same thing about "Dooher" at this stage last year...
surely everyone is entitled to their opinion - whether it is right or wrong?
Strong team would expect a good few substantial second-half runouts for some of the key subs.
I do worry though when I see Curran in goals against any strong fielding team, I think his kick-outs are a real weakness at this stage and will never forget his nightmare performance (in terms of kicking) at Celtic Park last year when I think he hit 3 or 4 woefully short kickouts that Derry converted for scores.
I understand the need to give him game time not that Big Packie is out but I wouldn't have chosen Kerry.
Quote from: uselessfootballer on February 13, 2009, 09:30:44 AM
Strong team would expect a good few substantial second-half runouts for some of the key subs.
I do worry though when I see Curran in goals against any strong fielding team, I think his kick-outs are a real weakness at this stage and will never forget his nightmare performance (in terms of kicking) at Celtic Park last year when I think he hit 3 or 4 woefully short kickouts that Derry converted for scores.
I understand the need to give him game time not that Big Packie is out but I wouldn't have chosen Kerry.
Devines kickouts against the Dubs were very poor too.
Quote from: clarshack on February 13, 2009, 09:05:53 AM
surely everyone is entitled to their opinion - whether it is right or wrong?
Absolutely, since it was the
totally wrong opinion that spurred the lads on last year, and thence to glory! ;)
Zaptista, you're some of Devines weren't great the last day but I think Curran's kicking is a level below that again and if there is any sort of a wind on Sunday it could be scary biscuits time.
Quote from: clarshack on February 13, 2009, 09:05:53 AM
Quote from: Muzz on February 13, 2009, 08:44:30 AM
Quote from: aroundincircles on February 12, 2009, 10:42:58 PM
would rather see mc gee in febuary than september no harm to him past his best.
Really helpful comment at this stage of the season...
Also recall many people saying the exact same thing about "Dooher" at this stage last year...
surely everyone is entitled to their opinion - whether it is right or wrong?
Offcourse everyone is entitled to their opinion - thing is where is "I believe McGee is past his best" Aroundincircles comments sound fact based - and all i was doing was pointing out that a lot of people were saying the same thing about dooher last year. He went on to prove everyone wrong. McGee has had one game back and hes past it...
I might be proved wrong but at this stage I wouldn't be ruling anyone out of contention for a place come championship time.
Quote from: Muzz on February 13, 2009, 10:29:12 AM
Quote from: clarshack on February 13, 2009, 09:05:53 AM
Quote from: Muzz on February 13, 2009, 08:44:30 AM
Quote from: aroundincircles on February 12, 2009, 10:42:58 PM
would rather see mc gee in febuary than september no harm to him past his best.
Really helpful comment at this stage of the season...
Also recall many people saying the exact same thing about "Dooher" at this stage last year...
surely everyone is entitled to their opinion - whether it is right or wrong?
Offcourse everyone is entitled to their opinion - thing is where is "I believe McGee is past his best" Aroundincircles comments sound fact based - and all i was doing was pointing out that a lot of people were saying the same thing about dooher last year. He went on to prove everyone wrong. McGee has had one game back and hes past it...
I might be proved wrong but at this stage I wouldn't be ruling anyone out of contention for a place come championship time.
I have no opinion. I am entilted to an opinion too and demand that I am given one!!
Is it just me or is this game very very low key this time around
Most years the games against Galway and Kerry tend to be the biggies that determine who make it through to the semi finals.
Bit surprised no changes to the team but maybe will make changes before throw in.
Must say I'm not a huge fan of McGee either. He's a tenacious tackler but I think he's easily outwitted by a smart corner forward
He tends to dive into tackles imho (its only an opinion Muzz) and I keep thinking of the goal that O'Cinneide got in 2005 where McGee was watching the player & not the ball.
Still, with it being a very much a 20 man game these days or is it 21 now, then we need several defenders to be ready to come in at any time, as there will be more replacements needed this year I suspect than other years with these yellow cards.
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 13, 2009, 11:26:23 AM
Is it just me or is this game very very low key this time around
Most years the games against Galway and Kerry tend to be the biggies that determine who make it through to the semi finals.
Bit surprised no changes to the team but maybe will make changes before throw in.
Must say I'm not a huge fan of McGee either. He's a tenacious tackler but I think he's easily outwitted by a smart corner forward
He tends to dive into tackles imho (its only an opinion Muzz) and I keep thinking of the goal that O'Cinneide got in 2005 where McGee was watching the player & not the ball.
Still, with it being a very much a 20 man game these days or is it 21 now, then we need several defenders to be ready to come in at any time, as there will be more replacements needed this year I suspect than other years with these yellow cards.
Referring to the bold above - Thats what I like to hear ;D
Though I would tend to agree with your opinion that he does dive in :o
Anyone believeing Kerry are travelling up the road with Valentines Cards this Sunday need to think again. Kerry want 2 points, bitter revenge, and self assurance so after they clap Tyrone out on to the field they will want to measure themselves against the team of the decade. The Kerry animal has been caged from September, expect to see it on Sunday. Twould be interesting to note that in the incident during the AIF at half time Kerry would have lost the services of Dara o Se and was it star?, under the new rules asnd ultimately the game would have been over earlier. Last year they were an undisciplined rabble under a poor enough manager, if anything JOC who I believe is an excellent if slightly bitchy manager will promote a higher degree of discipline within the camp - I thin k it will work if things go right but my fear for Kerry football is if things go wrong he shouldnt bitch at the O ses and the county board and the Northern teams. All the old ugly faces will be back over the course of 09 for both camps. This game is another teaser for the rest of the season. Both counties will give it all in August... and they are that feckin ignorant they will go again on Sunday.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on February 12, 2009, 10:35:19 PM
Bit suprised at the fact that there are no changes apart from goalkeeper. We've a strong enough panel at minute and thought Harte would have made a few changes each game. Look forward to seeing the forward line in action again and in particular the full forward line. Probably would have preferred PJ to McGee but Harte is probably rewarding McGee for effort this last few years with little games.
suppose he wants another good look at some of the boys that did well against dublin, cause when
dooher/gormley/b.mcguigan come back theres gonna be serious competition for places
Interesting to read that as Mickey is playing down this weekend's clash, Brolly is writing about its importance in the grand scheme of things. I can see Walsh and Star wanting to make a point about last year's collapse in Croker but from what I saw against Donegal, Cooper will be mighty mighty dangerous.
Is Donaghy not injured? So far they're forecasting a decent day for Sunday and if thats the case we could be in for a real top class game. Shouldnt have a major bearing later in the year but its always nice to beat Kerry. Have heard at least 3 Tyrone players saying in interviews this week that they'd like to win the league, looks like something that has been talked about in training.
Sorry, yes Donaghy has been ruled out.
QuoteAnyone believeing Kerry are travelling up the road with Valentines Cards this Sunday need to think again. Kerry want 2 points, bitter revenge, and self assurance so after they clap Tyrone out on to the field they will want to measure themselves against the team of the decade. The Kerry animal has been caged from September, expect to see it on Sunday. Twould be interesting to note that in the incident during the AIF at half time Kerry would have lost the services of Dara o Se and was it star?, under the new rules asnd ultimately the game would have been over earlier. Last year they were an undisciplined rabble under a poor enough manager, if anything JOC who I believe is an excellent if slightly bitchy manager will promote a higher degree of discipline within the camp - I thin k it will work if things go right but my fear for Kerry football is if things go wrong he shouldnt bitch at the O ses and the county board and the Northern teams. All the old ugly faces will be back over the course of 09 for both camps. This game is another teaser for the rest of the season. Both counties will give it all in August... and they are that feckin ignorant they will go again on Sunday
It is unfortunate that the standard bearers of Gaelic football have to clap fellas like Gormley and "w**ker sign" Mulligan onto the field. It demeans the whole custom really.
I was gonna bring my autograph book. What's the best way to approach Galvin?
You're probably right ;)
ONeill, don't be writing in your autograph book, he might slap it out of your hands ;)
TEN MARATHONS IN 10 DAYS FOR CANCER
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Later this year, a group of young people from Carrickmore – all of them young but some of them younger - will embark on a challenging fund raising venture when they take on what amounts to 10 marathons in 10 days. On 10th July they will leave Cork City centre on foot, with ten days to complete their trek to Carrickmore.
The trip is a repeat of one completed two decades ago and three of that group Sean Kerr, Dan Hughes and Kieran Hurson are among the twenty that will undertake this year's "long march".
The purpose of the endeavour is to raise funds for local cancer charities which include Marie Curie Cancer Care and Macmillan Cancer Support.
Each one of the group are well into their personal fitness regimes and despite the inclement weather hi viz jackets are much in evidence on the highways and byways of mid Tyrone. Follow their preparation and the progress of the fundraising on the group's website which will be launched this weekend - www.c2c4c.ie – (Cork 2Carrickmore4Cancer)
Next Sunday the walkers will be outside the turnstiles at Healy Park collecting donations and will also be introduced at half time on the field at the National League fixture between Tyrone and Kerry. Please give generously.Fund raising started on the 1st January and already in excess of £10,000 has been pledged. All expenses of the walk will be covered by sponsors, so every penny or cent collected will go to the nominated charities.
Three changes to Kerry team to play Tyrone on Sunday
Friday, 13 February 2009
The Kerry team to play Tyrone in Sunday's Round 2 Allianz National league game in Omagh shows three changes from the team that defeated Donegal two weeks ago. Diarmuid Murphy is back in the number one jersey, Daniel Bohan comes in at left half back and Sean O'Sullivan comes in at right half forward. Injuries to Tommy Griffin and Donnacha Walsh have ruled them out for selection. Ronán O'Flaherta is also injured and Kieran Quirke is on the panel for Sunday's game. (1) Diarmuid Murphy Dingle (2) Padraig Reidy Scartaglin (3) Aidan O'Mahony (Rathmore) (4) Killian Young (Renard)
(5) Aidan O'Shea Glenbeigh /Gleancar (6) Marc Ó Sé (An Ghaeltacht) (7) Daniel Bohan Austin Stacks (8) Seamus Scanlon Currow (9) David Moran Kerins O'Rahilly's (10) Paul Galvin Finuge (11) Declan O'Sullivan Piarsaigh Na Dromada (12) Sean O'Sullivan Cromane
(13) Colm Cooper Dr. Crokes (14) Tommy Walsh Kerins O'Rahilly's (15) Darran O'Sullivan Glenbeigh/Glencar (Captain)
Fir Ionad: (16) Ger Reidy (Castleisland Desmonds) (17) Brian Sheehan (St Mary's) (19) Paul O'Connor (Kenmare) (20) Anthony Maher (Duagh) (21) Kieran O'Leary (Dr. Crokes) (22) Brian Moran Kerins O'Rahillys (23) Ronan O'Connor Ballyduff (24) Maurice Corridan (Finuge) (25) Kieran Quirke (Duagh)
Different complexion on that Kerry FF line from last time. Couple of speedy lads at least one of whom can kick points. Don't think we'll be being Joey back to the corner this time! Will McGee pick up Cooper? How swift is Swift? (I'll get me coat)
So, from the 08 final, O'Mahony and Young move to the FB line from HB to cope with our supposed strongest line. Strong rumours O'Neill is injured. That's a speedy FF line for Kerry.
Its on BBC news that O'Neill is doubtful. Doesnt sound to serious so hopefully he'll be ok. Not sure if I trust either of our corner backs on Cooper. Pace of Darren O'Sullivan could also be a major threat. Could become a shoot out between the 2 full forward lines.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on February 13, 2009, 08:11:36 PM
QuoteAnyone believeing Kerry are travelling up the road with Valentines Cards this Sunday need to think again. Kerry want 2 points, bitter revenge, and self assurance so after they clap Tyrone out on to the field they will want to measure themselves against the team of the decade. The Kerry animal has been caged from September, expect to see it on Sunday. Twould be interesting to note that in the incident during the AIF at half time Kerry would have lost the services of Dara o Se and was it star?, under the new rules asnd ultimately the game would have been over earlier. Last year they were an undisciplined rabble under a poor enough manager, if anything JOC who I believe is an excellent if slightly bitchy manager will promote a higher degree of discipline within the camp - I thin k it will work if things go right but my fear for Kerry football is if things go wrong he shouldnt bitch at the O ses and the county board and the Northern teams. All the old ugly faces will be back over the course of 09 for both camps. This game is another teaser for the rest of the season. Both counties will give it all in August... and they are that feckin ignorant they will go again on Sunday
It is unfortunate that the standard bearers of Gaelic football have to clap fellas like Gormley and "w**ker sign" Mulligan onto the field. It demeans the whole custom really.
Yeah obviously Kerry should be exempt from having to do this ::) ::)
As strong as we can be at this time of the year I suppose given the injuries and the lads who have still not returned to training yet but good to get another look at Bohane, not much experience on the bench though which gives lots of panel members a chance for some game time and T. Kennelly was on the Late Late and will be a few weeks before we see any type of appearance from him but he is back and training and that can only be a good thing for us long term.
Would have liked to see Ger Reidy get another shot between the sticks did well against Donegal and I have felt Murphy seems to have gone backwards last year a bit. Our full back line will have their hands full against that trio, but thats what they need and good for them if we are to be around come Sept , hope O'Neill plays he was on fire against the dubs and is exactly the kind of in form player you would want to play against to push yourself on. Aidan O'Mahony on Sean will be a great battle but I feel Big Sean will have the upper hand here, and Marc O'Se on McCullagh in the centre should be a good clash too. Young Jacko will see a big step up in class and it will be a great test of him.
David Moran did very well against Donegal, but was impressed with Cassidy against the jackeens and McGinley is always a threat when he goes forward. Seamus Scanlon needs to up his workrate from the first game.
Our half forward line looks exciting and hopefully they will see plenty of actions, all 3 can score but the Tyrone half backs as ever is one of their strongest lines, some good match ups here. And the new rules will make for hopefully some interesting refereeing...
Our full forward line too has good attacking potential if given the right ball with a bit of speed and flair too, and though the corner backs for tyrone may not be first choices they have been around the Tyrone panels for years and will know the drill well from Harte.
Dont be getting carried away with revenge and such things, its a league game in February and both teams will be pushing for the 2 points, and recent league games have been close.
As for the guard of honour I suppose ye deserve one but dont be keeping us too long waiting in the cold....
Ciarrai abu...
Quote from: Kerry Mike on February 14, 2009, 12:48:27 AM
As strong as we can be at this time of the year I suppose given the injuries and the lads who have still not returned to training yet but good to get another look at Bohane, not much experience on the bench though which gives lots of panel members a chance for some game time and T. Kennelly was on the Late Late and will be a few weeks before we see any type of appearance from him but he is back and training and that can only be a good thing for us long term.
Would have liked to see Ger Reidy get another shot between the sticks did well against Donegal and I have felt Murphy seems to have gone backwards last year a bit. Our full back line will have their hands full against that trio, but thats what they need and good for them if we are to be around come Sept , hope O'Neill plays he was on fire against the dubs and is exactly the kind of in form player you would want to play against to push yourself on. Aidan O'Mahony on Sean will be a great battle but I feel Big Sean will have the upper hand here, and Marc O'Se on McCullagh in the centre should be a good clash too. Young Jacko will see a big step up in class and it will be a great test of him.
David Moran did very well against Donegal, but was impressed with Cassidy against the jackeens and McGinley is always a threat when he goes forward. Seamus Scanlon needs to up his workrate from the first game.
Our half forward line looks exciting and hopefully they will see plenty of actions, all 3 can score but the Tyrone half backs as ever is one of their strongest lines, some good match ups here. And the new rules will make for hopefully some interesting refereeing...
Our full forward line too has good attacking potential if given the right ball with a bit of speed and flair too, and though the corner backs for tyrone may not be first choices they have been around the Tyrone panels for years and will know the drill well from Harte.
Dont be getting carried away with revenge and such things, its a league game in February and both teams will be pushing for the 2 points, and recent league games have been close.
As for the guard of honour I suppose ye deserve one but dont be keeping us too long waiting in the cold....
Ciarrai abu...
Good balanced post as usual KM. We'll take a guard of honour from the Kingdom any day (begrudging or not) ::)
May the best team won & safe journey to all from Ciarrai.
Begruding........ me . No I just hate the sight of ye. Ye have fecked up the decade for us ;) yerra we will be getting over it...
Tyrone manager Mickey Harte will undergo a fitness test prior to the throw-in of Sunday's mouth-watering National Football League clash with Kerry.
O'Neill sustained a leg injury during training this week and is seen as a real fitness concern for the Omagh encounter.
The former Footballer of the Year returned to action with a bang in the first round of the NFL two weeks ago, registering eight points in Tyrone's dramatic victory over Dublin at Croke Park.
You got to love hoganstand
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on February 13, 2009, 10:33:15 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on February 13, 2009, 08:11:36 PM
QuoteAnyone believeing Kerry are travelling up the road with Valentines Cards this Sunday need to think again. Kerry want 2 points, bitter revenge, and self assurance so after they clap Tyrone out on to the field they will want to measure themselves against the team of the decade. The Kerry animal has been caged from September, expect to see it on Sunday. Twould be interesting to note that in the incident during the AIF at half time Kerry would have lost the services of Dara o Se and was it star?, under the new rules asnd ultimately the game would have been over earlier. Last year they were an undisciplined rabble under a poor enough manager, if anything JOC who I believe is an excellent if slightly bitchy manager will promote a higher degree of discipline within the camp - I thin k it will work if things go right but my fear for Kerry football is if things go wrong he shouldnt bitch at the O ses and the county board and the Northern teams. All the old ugly faces will be back over the course of 09 for both camps. This game is another teaser for the rest of the season. Both counties will give it all in August... and they are that feckin ignorant they will go again on Sunday
It is unfortunate that the standard bearers of Gaelic football have to clap fellas like Gormley and "w**ker sign" Mulligan onto the field. It demeans the whole custom really.
Yeah obviously Kerry should be exempt from having to do this ::) ::)
Surely Tyrone won't be expecting a guard of honour?
Direct Quote From Hoganstand.com
QuoteTyrone manager Mickey Harte will undergo a fitness test prior to the throw-in of Sunday's mouth-watering National Football League clash with Kerry.
The injury situation must be getting bad if Mickey is contemplating putting himself on.
Quote from: thejuice on February 14, 2009, 12:15:35 PM
Direct Quote From Hoganstand.com
QuoteTyrone manager Mickey Harte will undergo a fitness test prior to the throw-in of Sunday's mouth-watering National Football League clash with Kerry.
The injury situation must be getting bad if Mickey is contemplating putting himself on.
Who would argue with him ;)
I was out training in Cherryvale this morning and Enda McGinley arrived to do a bit of personal training on the pitch beside us. Dedication indeed, half nine the day before a match.
15 euros at the gate in the paper. Is it £12 sterling then? If so a bit steep. £7 would be plenty in February.
£12 for stand, I'd guess £10 for terrace. Not bad for this particular match,would be dear for the lower divisions. You can charge 90 euro + into rugby in February!
e15 to see tyrone v kerry, thats great entertainment for small money imo
I know games can be dear at times but on some occasions I think for some reason when it comes to gaa that people feel they should get into games for next to nothing because the players dont get paid. When you look at the facilities in place around the country you can see that the money raised by the gaa is going to good use and not into a few peoples pockets like can happen in other sports.
Quote from: StGallsGAA on February 14, 2009, 07:33:38 PM
15 euros at the gate in the paper. Is it £12 sterling then? If so a bit steep. £7 would be plenty in February.
It's a bargain! It's the same price as a couple of pints.
And if you have a season ticket, it works out even cheaper.
Quote from: thejuice on February 14, 2009, 12:15:35 PM
Direct Quote From Hoganstand.com
QuoteTyrone manager Mickey Harte will undergo a fitness test prior to the throw-in of Sunday's mouth-watering National Football League clash with Kerry.
The injury situation must be getting bad if Mickey is contemplating putting himself on.
Useful free taker, I'd say he'd still point anything within 55 yards off the ground.
Quote from: INDIANA on February 14, 2009, 11:32:38 AM
Tyrone manager Mickey Harte will undergo a fitness test prior to the throw-in of Sunday's mouth-watering National Football League clash with Kerry.
O'Neill sustained a leg injury during training this week and is seen as a real fitness concern for the Omagh encounter.
The former Footballer of the Year returned to action with a bang in the first round of the NFL two weeks ago, registering eight points in Tyrone's dramatic victory over Dublin at Croke Park.
You got to love hoganstand
They've fixed it!
Quote from: Rois on February 14, 2009, 07:04:36 PM
I was out training in Cherryvale this morning and Enda McGinley arrived to do a bit of personal training on the pitch beside us. Dedication indeed, half nine the day before a match.
Fair enough Rois, but it's bad manners to blow your own trumpet. Sure Enda was out training as well.
Excellent article in today's Sunday Times (UK) on the Kerry/Tyrone saga. Will get your blood pumping before today's game.
is this on tinternet anywhere?
I see a few supporters making their way to the ground with small children, they will have there hands full keeping them happy until throw in
Quote from: Square Ball on February 15, 2009, 01:02:03 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on February 15, 2009, 12:14:25 PM
is this on tinternet anywhere?
anyone?
Checked the times website and no sign of it, good crowd building up in omagh now should be good!
its supposed to be on the TG4 live player, but i cant get the fecking thing to open, just keeps redirecting back to the default listings page
Search gaalive on justintv as they are showing it. I watched the hurling on it last night. I am not at home so i cannot post link
Quote from: An Fear Rua on February 15, 2009, 01:36:51 PM
its supposed to be on the TG4 live player, but i cant get the fecking thing to open, just keeps redirecting back to the default listings page
its working for me AFR
Working fine for me!
Looking forward to it! Whats the weather like for it?
I hear there's 1,500 up from Kerry.
Any of ye here in the US able to get it online?
Weather perfect some change from the snow last sunday. Seems to be a good crowd to.
Quote from: Tyrones own on February 15, 2009, 02:05:28 PM
Any of ye here in the US able to get it online?
Working fine TO!
try 450k in options
Yeah gerry. crowd building up nicely here. I'd say there's alot of neurals at it too.
working ok at my end now, hope its a good one!!
Some fella from Glentoran has just being interviewed by Paddy Hunter down on the pitch, as part of the Respect programme set up by Tyrone GAA. Big round of clapping from the crowd.
Any word if Stephen O'Neill is fit to play?
Looking at the stand its nearly full
Don't see SoN warming up down below. Still that means nothing ;)
Just had an interview with Mickey Harte said he will be out for up to 4 weeks with a knee injury.
Colm Cavanagh replacing SoN.
Anybody having a problem watching on tg4? I have sound but no picture, I am in the uk, but have never had a problem before with tg4, I have rebooted and changed the settings to no avail.
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on February 15, 2009, 02:10:55 PM
Quote from: Tyrones own on February 15, 2009, 02:05:28 PM
Any of ye here in the US able to get it online?
Working fine TO!
try 450k in options
Post me a link to see if that works :(
Quote from: glens73 on February 15, 2009, 02:27:34 PM
Anybody having a problem watching on tg4? I have sound but no picture, I am in the uk, but have never had a problem before with tg4, I have rebooted and changed the settings to no avail.
Yeah that's what i'm getting also
http://www.tg4.tv/ (http://www.tg4.tv/)
still ok for me(england) 450k, setting 2, god bless that wee girl, but surely there is better in the county,bring back the band....
Cheers lads, it's not working..never had this problem before either :'(
Radio it is
clear down your internet cache, tools > internet options
start a new browser and make sure popups are allowed
Your better not seeing it!!
Tyrones Full back line having big problems!
I couldn't get it to work on Firefox so tried internet explorer and it's fine now
Sounds like it alright..jaysus another one :o
holy feck another goal
2-4 to 0-1 13min. Kerry are on top all over the field and the Tyrone FB line are being wiped out.
this could be a heavy one!
Quote from: glens73 on February 15, 2009, 02:43:55 PM
I couldn't get it to work on Firefox so tried internet explorer and it's fine now
Thanks Glens..windows is working alright :)
Ricey :D
Galvins pain, Riceys mouth, no need for either
surely that was a yellow card offence by ricey or as it's the new rules.......
Kerry are well-up for this game
Need a big second half.
hope Kerry have been playing with an 90mph breeze!! ::)
p.s does anyone else think that tyrone always play shite in omagh! >:(
If you add Darragh, Tomás and Kennelly into that team it's looking quite ominous for the rest of the country.
Kerry by far the hungrier team, Tyrone getting cleaned out in the middle which is putting the defence under serious pressure!
No need for Tyrone to panic yet - its only February. However they are all over the shop at full back. I dont think they have grasped the new ruls yet. They need to realize that you cant pull & drag anymore.
Painful to watch, Kerry winning all the battles. Gormley's only one who seems to be playing for Tyrone.
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on February 15, 2009, 03:11:46 PM
Kerry by far the hungrier team, Tyrone getting cleaned out in the middle which is putting the defence under serious pressure!
That's the difference really, I wouldn't be reading too much into it, Tyrone won the one that mattered and it'll be a lot closer if they meet agian in September
couple of bad wides near the end, and Harte should have put that away. The newer lads at the back are learning a few lessons today
Oh Ricey you sneaky b*stard.
He's lucky he still has a tooth in his head after grabbing Galvin by the balls.
Even the kids playing footie at half time in front of me cannot score
Quote from: Jinxy on February 15, 2009, 03:16:46 PM
Oh Ricey you sneaky b*stard.
He's lucky he still has a tooth in his head after grabbing Galvin by the balls.
get your glasses sorted lad, he patted them, and Galvin went down like a cheap whore.
No need for any of it.
Quote from: An Fear Rua on February 15, 2009, 03:18:35 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 15, 2009, 03:16:46 PM
Oh Ricey you sneaky b*stard.
He's lucky he still has a tooth in his head after grabbing Galvin by the balls.
get your glasses sorted lad, he patted them, and Galvin went down like a cheap whore.
No need for any of it.
There was definite cupping :P
things are looking up 4 mins gone in 2nd half and we havent conceded!! ;)
Kingdom time wasting now ::) :P
Quote from: An Fear Rua on February 15, 2009, 03:18:35 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 15, 2009, 03:16:46 PM
Oh Ricey you sneaky b*stard.
He's lucky he still has a tooth in his head after grabbing Galvin by the balls.
get your glasses sorted lad, he patted them, and Galvin went down like a cheap whore.
No need for any of it.
"He patted them", you couldn't make it up. :D
Just three goals in it now
Hughes still trying to kick points ???
lads in all fairness,,Is Keven Hughes the answer?
We dont have better than that to bring on 10 points behind?
This is very embarrassing for Kerry. They haven't scored in ages. Hang your heads animals.
Better stuff now!! keep her lit!
Philip Jordan has been outstanding in the second half!
only 5 in it now!!! :o
this is unreal, terrific start to the half
good to meet ya lads btw
Mark O'Se has been reading McCullaghs dummy all day long.
I thought Kerry were going to go an entire half without scoring in Omagh, but no team could do that ;)
The Kingdom are tiring now.
how many kerry men have been sent off now
3 i think
these new rules have the potential to drastically change a game.
How long do you reckon it will take before we see two complete teams playing for one side - 15 yellows?
Doe Ricey have some kind of magic amulet which prevents him getting yellow cards?
Quote from: Jinxy on February 15, 2009, 03:56:07 PM
Doe Ricey have some kind of magic amulet which prevents him getting yellow cards?
its called cuteness ;D
Quote from: cadhlancian on February 15, 2009, 03:57:23 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 15, 2009, 03:56:07 PM
Doe Ricey have some kind of magic amulet which prevents him getting yellow cards?
its called cuteness ;D
He gets with an awful amount!
you can see it now The Ricey & Gooch show - coming to dinner dance near you in about 20 years time.
McMenamin is such a hateful wee p***k.
Jack O'Connor seemed a bit angry there!
McMenamin is one annoying little f**ker - Jaysus he even manages to annoy JAck O'Connor
Sorry lads...I have a lot of admiration for this Tyrone team but to call Ricey a kn**ker would be unfair to knackers......f**king despicable hoor of the highest order.
You'd be afeared of what would happen if these teams met in the summer. I think Jack is nicely building up a bit of animosity in his troops towards Tyrone.
Ricey seemed a bit hyped today.
Quote from: ONeill on February 15, 2009, 04:11:33 PM
You'd be afeared of what would happen if these teams met in the summer. I think Jack is nicely building up a bit of animosity in his troops towards Tyrone.
Ricey seemed a bit hyped today.
both teams should be more worried about why they only managed a half each, Kerry forwards can take goals, can Tyrones?
Great second half by Tyrone, despite Riceys antics!
Jordon, Mc Cullagh and Mc Ginley were immense in the second half.
Kerry at full strength is a scarey thought this early in the year.
Quote from: Jinxy on February 15, 2009, 03:09:06 PM
If you add Darragh, Tomás and Kennelly into that team it's looking quite ominous for the rest of the country.
What about big Donaghy??
Quote from: ONeill on February 15, 2009, 04:11:33 PM
You'd be afeared of what would happen if these teams met in the summer. I think Jack is nicely building up a bit of animosity in his troops towards Tyrone.
Ricey seemed a bit hyped today.
He tried that before, I think he knows he doesn't have the answer going off losing the run of himself there at the end 8)
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on February 15, 2009, 04:14:26 PM
Great second half by Tyrone, despite Riceys antics!
Jordon, Mc Cullagh and Mc Ginley were immense in the second half.
Kerry at full strength is a scarey thought this early in the year.
Really? Big fan of McCullagh's but thought he was very poor today. Excellent player but not one of his better days.
Lads, Jack O'Connor put his hands on the ref, is this acceptable behaviour, and also running on the field and getting involved with an opposition player is bang out of order also, regardless of how big pricccck Ricey was being :o
Twas a great second half performance. Cooper dropping deep didn't pose much as much of a threat and left Walsh isolated. Gormley was excellent in the second as was Jordan, McMahon, Sean, McCullagh and Tommy. Bodes well with match practice.
If O'Neill had been there in that second have we might well have won it such was Kerry's collapse/Tyrone's improvement.
nice to see the Kerry backroom staff waving goodbye to everyone at the end.
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on February 15, 2009, 04:15:16 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 15, 2009, 03:09:06 PM
If you add Darragh, Tomás and Kennelly into that team it's looking quite ominous for the rest of the country.
What about big Donaghy??
How did I forget him?
There'll be some schkelps at training!
Is it any wonder Ricey was first name down when people name the most hateful gaa players with that sort of carrying on??
Some cheek on him, giving Gooch shit in the first half after he had bagged two goals!!
McCullagh did give a lot of ball away..but then he wasn't the only one...Jordan or Curran for me
whats wrong with Raymond Mulgrew......from potential next big thing, to never getting on ? Seems like everyones getting a game or a chance except him
Only seen a wee bit of it online. I am a big Ricey fan but he needs to wind down sometimes.
McMenamin was unusually hyper for February. He usually tones it down at this time of the year. I think Kerry's serious intent and application unnerved him into thinking it was September!!
Quote from: ONeill on February 15, 2009, 04:28:51 PM
McMenamin was unusually hyper for February. He usually tones it down at this time of the year. I think Kerry's serious intent and application unnerved him into thinking it was September!!
O'Neill was just wondering, whats your club? I,m an O"Neill myself ;D, living in California now though!
Quote from: cadhlancian on February 15, 2009, 04:31:39 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 15, 2009, 04:28:51 PM
McMenamin was unusually hyper for February. He usually tones it down at this time of the year. I think Kerry's serious intent and application unnerved him into thinking it was September!!
O'Neill was just wondering, whats your club? I,m an O"Neill myself ;D, living in California now though!
East Tyrone Eels and Embroidery association I believe
on another note,,,,,fairly new on here, after using hogan stand( didn't know about GAABOARD) but since I've changed over :-[ its been great.........great site , great posters , ( intelligence does matter) and some great links and photos. Thank you fellow gaels and posters ;)
Quote from: cadhlancian on February 15, 2009, 04:40:47 PM
on another note,,,,,fairly new on here, after using hogan stand( didn't know about GAABOARD) but since I've changed over :-[ its been great.........great site , great posters , ( intelligence does matter) and some great links and photos. Thank you fellow gaels and posters ;)
Where are ye in California?
I hear it's mating season in Dromore. Kerry always seem to do a job on McCullough-they see the danger in giving him too much space. Good enough performance-always believed that Kerry would win this one well-the fact that Tyrone got so close to them comforts me. Fair play to Ricey for exploiting the weakness in the psyche of the Kerry management and backroom staff. Remember Dublin under Caffrey? I didn't see anything criminal about his behaviour-foolish in that he might have picked up a yellow but certainly not dangerous. Kerry very hungry lookin but a team can get too hungry, y'know.
Think it was Mc Cullagh that O Conner was after!
Jordan is a diving cheat. The Kerry lads rode their tackles (ooh, matron!) today, while the Moy man cheated his way to numerous frees; a horribe feature to his game.
I admire this Tyrone team but several individuals engage in really unsporting behaviour.
Anyway, I think Kerry have the more gifted and natural fotballers but Harte has created a relentess machine out of a none to shabby squad. Will be surprised if any team is able to compete with them come the Summer.
QuoteThink it was Mc Cullagh that O Conner was after!
It looked that way alright, Jaysus what might he have been capable of had they lost :o
memories of 2005 are alive and well with him ;D....poor bastard
<template>I admire this Tyrone team BUT ........</template>
great match, Kerry were very good Tyrone had an outstanding second half but shite first. Ricey is a balloon of the highest order. is the guy ever embarrassed when he sees himself on tv?
McMenamin is nothing but a t**ker - should have been red carded for his carry on with the Gooch long before the end. Jack should't have stooped to his level either but I guess he just wanted to teach them a lesson in football. It will be very interesting this summer should Kerry and Tyrone meet again. Hopefully they will. Wouldnt read much into the result - only the league and its all about trying out 21 or 22 players to see what will work for the championship.
Quote from: comethekingdom on February 15, 2009, 05:16:27 PM
McMenamin is nothing but a t**ker
talker? bit harsh, he can play a bit too :P
The idea of those two teams meeting in high summer in the wide open spaces of Croke Park is fairly mouth-watering from a neutrals perspective.
Thought McGinley was outstanding again for Tyrone today.
No badness in him either.
Quote from: An Fear Rua on February 15, 2009, 05:11:53 PM
<template>I admire this Tyrone team BUT ........</template>
... your point being....
Quote from: ONeill on February 15, 2009, 04:28:51 PM
McMenamin was unusually hyper for February. He usually tones it down at this time of the year. I think Kerry's serious intent and application unnerved him into thinking it was September!!
hyper? by that you mean a wee gypsy mannerless classless hoor? a poison in the game, thank christ he doesnt wear my county colours.
that aside..enjoyable game on a heavy pitch, both teams will be in the mix come September, a level above the other contenders. McCullough is growing in stature, he'll be hard to contain in the open firm field of Croke Pk..taking on McGuigan snr's role admirably. And watching Cavanagh take long range points is a joy
PQ
how do some of the tyrone posters still find it in them to condone ryan mcmenamins behaviour? at least half a dozen examples today. cannot be excused, brings shame to the game.
McGinley has deveoped from being 'the lad in the corner' in 2003 to the invaluable lynchpin he is now.
Tyrone were rough enough around the edges in the first half when it came to footpassing/tackling but when they turned the screw the better habits returned. I think they outscored Kerry 0-11 to 0-2 in the second half.
Did O'Connor purposely pull Cooper back in order to protect the lead? Kerry had a one-man forward line for most of the second half and stopped doing what was workinf for them well.
Quote from: peterquaife on February 15, 2009, 05:27:58 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 15, 2009, 04:28:51 PM
McMenamin was unusually hyper for February. He usually tones it down at this time of the year. I think Kerry's serious intent and application unnerved him into thinking it was September!!
hyper? by that you mean a wee gypsy mannerless classless hoor? a poison in the game, thank christ he doesnt wear my county colours.
that aside..enjoyable game on a heavy pitch, both teams will be in the mix come September, a level above the other contenders. McCullough is growing in stature, he'll be hard to contain in the open firm field of Croke Pk..taking on McGuigan snr's role admirably. And watching Cavanagh take long range points is a joy
PQ
Some player all the same!!
Quote from: tyroneboi on February 15, 2009, 05:30:46 PM
Quote from: peterquaife on February 15, 2009, 05:27:58 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 15, 2009, 04:28:51 PM
McMenamin was unusually hyper for February. He usually tones it down at this time of the year. I think Kerry's serious intent and application unnerved him into thinking it was September!!
hyper? by that you mean a wee gypsy mannerless classless hoor? a poison in the game, thank christ he doesnt wear my county colours.
that aside..enjoyable game on a heavy pitch, both teams will be in the mix come September, a level above the other contenders. McCullough is growing in stature, he'll be hard to contain in the open firm field of Croke Pk..taking on McGuigan snr's role admirably. And watching Cavanagh take long range points is a joy
PQ
Some player all the same!!
fine player, but an awful biscuit
Quote from: An Fear Rua on February 15, 2009, 05:19:37 PM
Quote from: comethekingdom on February 15, 2009, 05:16:27 PM
McMenamin is nothing but a t**ker
talker? bit harsh, he can play a bit too :P
How come 'talker' wasn't censored when you typed it? ;)
Really was a game of two halves today. I honestly didn't know Tyrone were doing in the first half, none of them showed up for the game. Conor Gormley was the only playing when he came on. Could be wrong here, but did Walsh score after he came on? The two Cavanaghs were disappointing today, but Sean's allowed a bad day at the office. Surprised Colm stayed on for as long as he did.
Jordan and McGinley were something special in the 2nd half and really took the game to Kerry and we could have it at the stole, only for our poor passing and handy misses. But stole it we would have. I would say Mickey has learned a lot from this game and losing to Kerry in League hasn't done us too much harm in the recent pass ;)
As for Ricey... I missed the row at the end. Was just getting into the disabled lift when I heard the noise and came racing back out. Knew Ricey would be in the middle of it and I was unfortunately proved right. He's brilliant on the pitch and it a player I would rate very highly. However this carry on is uncalled for and is unwanted. I really wish he would catch himself on and cut it out. He doesn't need to be at.
End of the game.... not too disheartened. Tyrone showed lots of guts and determination to come back into contention again and I'm still hopefully we will have a good run come the summer months.
QuoteAnd what would Mc Cullagh have to do with 2005?
And where did I say he had anything to do with 2005....
O'Connor losing the run of himself under pressure was the point
I was making but then you knew that.
Nice to see you've retained a stiffy for the AI champions going on a few years
now yourself.. persistent, I'll give you that ;D
What would we do without McGinley? He gives it 100% every time, every ball.
Thought he and Philip Jordan were outstanding like most Tyronies on here.
Young Cassidy was doing well in the second half up in the forward line - seemed to pull up injured?
Yeah Rois, I thought Cassidy had a good game too and don't know why he wasn't taken off. C. Cavanagh should have been instead.
Quote from: Rois on February 15, 2009, 06:05:10 PM
What would we do without McGinley? He gives it 100% every time, every ball.
Thought he and Philip Jordan were outstanding like most Tyronies on here.
Young Cassidy was doing well in the second half up in the forward line - seemed to pull up injured?
jordan was immense today, thought mcginnley had a poor first half by his standards, but much better after the break like everyone else.
cassidy was taken off with a injury to his quad, was doing rightly up to that
Quote from: ziggysego on February 15, 2009, 06:08:06 PM
Yeah Rois, I thought Cassidy had a good game too and don't know why he wasn't taken off. C. Cavanagh should have been instead.
He picked up a knock thats why he was taken of
Quote from: gerry on February 15, 2009, 06:17:33 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on February 15, 2009, 06:08:06 PM
Yeah Rois, I thought Cassidy had a good game too and don't know why he wasn't taken off. C. Cavanagh should have been instead.
He picked up a knock thats why he was taken of
Aah, I missed that.
Galvins discipline to be admired.
Quote from: bcarrier on February 15, 2009, 06:23:09 PM
Galvins discipline to be admired.
No wasps this time of year....
Quote from: An Fear Rua on February 15, 2009, 03:18:35 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 15, 2009, 03:16:46 PM
Oh Ricey you sneaky b*stard.
He's lucky he still has a tooth in his head after grabbing Galvin by the balls.
get your glasses sorted lad, he patted them, and Galvin went down like a cheap whore.
No need for any of it.
what a hateful little c**t.
If he "patted" my balls he'd be looking for his teeth, I'm no fan of Galvin but it's a pity he didnt deck the little c**t.
Quote from: bcarrier on February 15, 2009, 06:23:09 PM
Galvins discipline to be admired.
agreed, if I was going to pretend that I had a life threatening injury Id have at least rolled over a few times ;D
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 15, 2009, 06:27:14 PM
what a hateful little c**t.
If he "patted" my balls he'd be looking for his teeth, I'm no fan of Galvin but it's a pity he didnt deck the little c**t.
if he patted your balls, you might smile for once Pints
Those "stewards" in HP are by far the most proactive in the GAA.Every else in the country the "stewards" must be the dopiest/sleepiest/lethargic fellas around. Up in Omagh they are in the thick of it always.
Don't really know if this is a good or bad thing.
Just back in from the game, after a dreadful 1st half where we couldn't string two passes together compounded by kerrys blistering start! Was really pleased to see a bit more fluency and bite that led to an encouraging recovery, I think we could have completed the turn around if Son was playing and if we hadn't fluffed a number of attacks around 15mins from the end.
I must echo ziggys sentiments regarding ricey, I hate seeing all the verbals an cheap shots, I really think it offers the team nothing and just let's us down, he needs to rein it in big time!
Overall, quite encouraging despite defeat
I thought the stewards could potentially have made things worse to be honest.
They arrived on the scene like a SWAT team.
Nearly sure a couple of them abseiled down off the top of the stand.
Disappointing first half, our passing was very wayward but some good individual performancs, thought Davy H was pretty solid also and Cassidy until he went off made a positive contribution.
Wonder what the Glentoran man made of the 'ruckus' :-\
Jack O'Connor's frustration a the end was probably down to his realisation that in the championship a 12 point half-time lead over a full-strength Tyrone might not be enough! ;)
Quotehyper? by that you mean a wee gypsy mannerless classless hoor? a poison in the game, thank christ he doesnt wear my county colours.
I thank christ for that as well otherwise you might have a half decent team!
Not defending McMenamins actions but don't particularly like the over the top personal attacks carried out over the internet.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on February 15, 2009, 07:20:59 PM
Not defending McMenamins actions but don't particularly like the over the top personal attacks carried out over the internet.
Too right.
Where's the sense in giving out about abusive language.... with abusive language?
Quote from: maggie on February 15, 2009, 06:45:20 PM
Disappointing first half, our passing was very wayward but some good individual performancs, thought Davy H was pretty solid also and Cassidy until he went off made a positive contribution.
Wonder what the Glentoran man made of the 'ruckus' :-\
Sure they spent the first twenty minutes shouting hand ball
Who was the Kerry man in the middle of the players with his arms in the air celebrating? Is he a member of the management team? Looked a clear case of him trying to provoke the people around him just when things had started to calm down.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on February 15, 2009, 07:20:59 PM
Not defending McMenamins actions but don't particularly like the over the top personal attacks carried out over the internet.
Ha! When he behaves like he does what do you think people will say about him?
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 15, 2009, 07:25:21 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on February 15, 2009, 07:20:59 PM
Not defending McMenamins actions but don't particularly like the over the top personal attacks carried out over the internet.
Ha! When he behaves like he does what do you think people will say about him?
With criticism. However, annonymously calling someone a c*nt etc from behind a screen and keyboard says more about the poster than it does about McMenamin.
God its hard to watch Jordan's diving and play acting. i actually turn over for a few minutes every time he does it then inquisitivieness eventually takes me back.
Quote from: The GAA on February 15, 2009, 07:29:40 PM
God its hard to watch Jordan's diving and play acting. i actually turn over for a few minutes every time he does it then inquisitivieness eventually takes me back.
You're from Armagh. You're still hurting from '03. I understand.
Quote from: ONeill on February 15, 2009, 07:29:30 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 15, 2009, 07:25:21 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on February 15, 2009, 07:20:59 PM
Not defending McMenamins actions but don't particularly like the over the top personal attacks carried out over the internet.
Ha! When he behaves like he does what do you think people will say about him?
With criticism. However, annonymously calling someone a c*nt etc from behind a screen and keyboard says more about the poster than it does about McMenamin.
C*nt and a w**ker are only two of the names you've called me on here so maybe you should keep out of this.
You're hiding behind a pseudynm calling Ryan McMenamin a c*nt twice in one post, as well as boasting what you'd do to him
Big, big man.
seen the clip on the news.
did Marc o Se and Ricey go at it aswell??? looking forward to the highlights on Sunday Sport.
Glad to see here that Tyrone men were dissapointed by McMenamins antics.
I would like the ref to show yellow when a player shouts like that in the face of an opponent - its pure provocation. Was he checking Galvin for a hernia or something? "Here Paul can you cough while I hold these?"
Btw, McMenamin isnt the only culprit, Jordan can be a mouthy cnut too.
Quote from: Tyrones own on February 15, 2009, 04:46:57 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on February 15, 2009, 04:40:47 PM
on another note,,,,,fairly new on here, after using hogan stand( didn't know about GAABOARD) but since I've changed over :-[ its been great.........great site , great posters , ( intelligence does matter) and some great links and photos. Thank you fellow gaels and posters ;)
Where are ye in California?
americas finest city........san diego ;D
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on February 15, 2009, 07:37:50 PM
seen the clip on the news.
did Marc o Se and Ricey go at it aswell??? looking forward to the highlights on Sunday Sport.
McMenamin did a knee job on the Gooch near the end of the match, which is why O'Se was angry.
Quote from: Orior on February 15, 2009, 07:37:55 PM
Glad to see here that Tyrone men were dissapointed by McMenamins antics.
He was definitely irritable today!!
thought swift and cassidy played well and if curran can get the kickouts sorted is a good option for keeper. thought mccullough had a shocker - missed 2 easy frees, also kicked a bad wide near the end, he continually gave the ball away and even messed up the last attack and then he had verbals with O'Connor.
When this turn into a ricey bashing tread. Atleast he gives 100% each game.
Layof him
Quote from: clarshack on February 15, 2009, 07:40:25 PM
thought swift and cassidy played well and if curran can get the kickouts sorted is a good option for keeper. thought mccullough had a shocker - missed 2 easy frees, also kicked a bad wide near the end, he continually gave the ball away and even messed up the last attack and then he had verbals with O'Connor.
I think it was the good and the bad with McCullagh - almost everything was going through him and he was involved in many scores as well as scoring a cliinker from play at the end of the first half. Kerry appeared to have identified him as chief playmaker and was surrounded by green and gold. I still think he had a decent game, far from a shocker. Colm Cav was much more ineffective.
Quote from: gerry on February 15, 2009, 07:41:27 PM
When this turn into a ricey bashing tread. Atleast he gives 100% each game.
Layof him
I think it's right to identify his behaviour when he's acting the lig. However, those who claim they'd knock his teeth out and labelling him in the basest of terms (as pog did in both instances) are closer to the gutter and incapable of distinguishing between the footballer and the man.
Quote from: ONeill on February 15, 2009, 07:34:38 PM
Where and when? Don't make things up.
You're hiding behind a pseudynm calling Ryan McMenamin a c*nt twice in one post, as well as boasting what you'd do to him
Big, big man.
Quote from: ONeill on July 18, 2008, 11:06:29 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on July 18, 2008, 10:57:23 PM
No regrets as such though a lot of things I can think "what if" about.
Not always happy with my choices in life but the led to expereinces that I learned from and led me to where I am now.
What? Being a cnut?
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=8569.15 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=8569.15)
Big, big man? Right back at you son.
(You called me a w**ker on the grinds my gears thread some time ago)
Oh here it is:
Quote from: ONeill on September 29, 2007, 11:30:53 AM
QuoteI bet not one of you know why there are mother toddler spaces at the doors!
Long time since I've called anyone names, but you're a complete and utter w**ker pog. Vile human in more ways than one. If you cannot understand the dangers in parents and toddlers, maybe a single mum with 2 or 3, getting out of a car in the middle of a car park full of motors edging in and out, then you're the lowest of the low. (though your attitude to most thing have already confirmed that)
If Ricey is upset by being called a **** I suggest he doesnt act like one.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on February 15, 2009, 07:20:59 PM
Not defending McMenamins actions but don't particularly like the over the top personal attacks carried out over the internet.
reaping and and sewing
no comparison with the way the likes of Cavanagh (when he stays on his feet of course) conducts himself, with a bit of class
i've no problem with ricey. he gets stuck in and annoys the sh*t out of the opposition - that's what he does and he does it well. it would be worse if he lay down and hid.
No, I'm sure Ricey couldn't give a damn what someone calls him on a discussion board behind a username. But it says a lot about you if you go about claiming you'd knock his teeth out and labelling him a c*nt venomously twice. Big, big man.
(As for your example you'll see the manner of that post if you progress throughout that thread but that's a side issue for another time and I won't allow it to deflect the gutter-like nature of your post on this thread. )
This isnt the 1st time Curran's kick outs have been a massive problem. He's obviously a good enough keeper but I don't think at county level you can afford to be giving away so many points directly from poor/short kickouts. Thought McCullagh was wasteful at times today, he does seem to get badly caught for pace at times. In a lot of cases he uses his brain to make up for it but he can get caught in possession.
Every time there's a thread about a Tyrone game Armagh posters seem to come into talk about Jordans diving. I'll have to watch it again on tv but didnt notice it at match. You'd think 6 years after Marsden got sent off for a clear strike to Jordans face that they would have got over it especially after a number of cases involving their own players including Francie who got knocked over by air a year later to get a Cavan man sent off.
The first half from a Tyrone point of view made for painful viewing. All the talk about the new rules suiting Kerry maybe is true. As today showed they are now able to consistently foul and replace the players in question to do it.
Quote from: clarshack on February 15, 2009, 07:50:18 PM
i've no problem with ricey. he gets stuck in and annoys the sh*t out of the opposition - that's what he does and he does it well. it would be worse if he lay down and hid.
Ive a prob with the snidelyness of it all, he more than good enough not to need to do it.
The fact that it annoys rent a mouths on here is its only redeeming feature, if thats all they have to complain about , happy days, but Id prefer they had nothing to complain about.
QuoteNo, I'm sure Ricey couldn't give a damn what someone calls him on a discussion board behind a username. But it says a lot about you if you go about claiming you'd knock his teeth out and labelling him a c*nt venomosly twice. Big, big man.
:D As I said lad, right back at you.
Quote from: The GAA on February 15, 2009, 07:29:40 PM
God its hard to watch Jordan's diving and play acting. i actually turn over for a few minutes every time he does it then inquisitivieness eventually takes me back.
I have to agree with you there, it a shame he goes on like this, cause he's a good player & a nice guy to boot, but his actions are making him look like a right tosser and something the game could do without.
Quote from: clarshack on February 15, 2009, 07:50:18 PM
i've no problem with ricey. he gets stuck in and annoys the sh*t out of the opposition - that's what he does and he does it well. it would be worse if he lay down and hid.
and you've zero class also condoning that type of garbage in gaelic games
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 15, 2009, 07:55:12 PM
QuoteNo, I'm sure Ricey couldn't give a damn what someone calls him on a discussion board behind a username. But it says a lot about you if you go about claiming you'd knock his teeth out and labelling him a c*nt venomosly twice. Big, big man.
:D As I said lad, right back at you.
You'd be best laughing the embarrassment off. The difference is that I'm open about who I am on here and anyone on here long enough knows where I live, work, who I am. I stand over everything I say and don't hide behind a name. I don't go about boasting I'd knock someone's teeth out and poisonly abusing footballers.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on February 15, 2009, 07:53:32 PM
This isnt the 1st time Curran's kick outs have been a massive problem. He's obviously a good enough keeper but I don't think at county level you can afford to be giving away so many points directly from poor/short kickouts. Thought McCullagh was wasteful at times today, he does seem to get badly caught for pace at times. In a lot of cases he uses his brain to make up for it but he can get caught in possession.
Agree with the Curran analysis - even his quick kick outs were landing us in trouble.
Still think McCullagh is close to indispensable right now. Even is scoretaking from distance is improving.
Quote from: peterquaife on February 15, 2009, 07:56:33 PM
Quote from: clarshack on February 15, 2009, 07:50:18 PM
i've no problem with ricey. he gets stuck in and annoys the sh*t out of the opposition - that's what he does and he does it well. it would be worse if he lay down and hid.
and you've zero class also condoning that type of garbage in gaelic games
ricey isnt there to be best mates with the opposing players. he gets stuck in and gives 100%.
Don't think MH will be too downhearted about today's performance. Plenty of stuff to work on though.
- Kickouts are a big problem, both Devine against Dublin and especially Curren today were woeful. There were times through that you almost felt Curren was kicking to a predefined pattern and expecting a run to be made into the space he was aiming for; at least 5 times he floated a ball straigh to galvin / AN Other Kerry player with no Tyrone jersey near them.
- McGee was poor, new rules don't suit him
- Justin finshed on TW as soon as the black book produced. Today also showed that the 2008 AIF was won by the half forwards putting enough pressure on Kerry to ensure they didn't get decent ball into Walsh and Star. Too many times in the 1st half you could see a Kerry MF / HB look up staeady himself and flaot a perfect ball into the big lad, who, fair play to him caught everything that came his way (until Block arrived)
- MF won nothing clean today. Problem area. Again.
- Up fornt we looked a bit toothless when Sean went to MF. Mugsy is fit and playing decent football but is most def a support forward, not the main man.
- Ricey played very well most of the game although I still feel he leaves the middle channel unprpotected too often
- ON the plus side getting brought back down to earth now is no bad thing
Curran made two superb saves today lads, top drawer saves
Quote from: clarshack on February 15, 2009, 08:01:15 PM
Quote from: peterquaife on February 15, 2009, 07:56:33 PM
Quote from: clarshack on February 15, 2009, 07:50:18 PM
i've no problem with ricey. he gets stuck in and annoys the sh*t out of the opposition - that's what he does and he does it well. it would be worse if he lay down and hid.
and you've zero class also condoning that type of garbage in gaelic games
ricey isnt there to be best mates with the opposing players. he gets stuck in and gives 100%.
nobody is questioning his stuckinness or 100%ness...your missing the point. but he has everything a top footballer needs and has proved it time and time again without having to resort to whatever it is that he does so well that you appreciate
Just after watching the match on the sunday game. Much about nothing. Glad so see a few more pro ricey posts
Oneill
Quote
You'd be best laughing the embarrassment off. The difference is that I'm open about who I am on here and anyone on here long enough knows where I live, work, who I am. I stand over everything I say and don't hide behind a name. I don't go about boasting I'd knock someone's teeth out and poisonly abusing footballers.
I wouldnt think there's many give a shite who you or I am, you're full of your own self importance, it's embarrassing.
Now, run along.
Feck off pints, leave the thread to the match, smile more, be nice..
ps : I have loads of new recipies for you that will help change your life, see you on chat ;D
Surely he's not spitting at O'Se in this pic from today ?
http://www.hoganstand.com/Common/ImageGallery/1kerrytyrone%20(2).jpg
Quote from: An Fear Rua on February 15, 2009, 08:21:11 PM
Feck off pints, leave the thread to the match, smile more, be nice..
You know I'm always nice.
As regards the "Ricey bashing" does anyone remember the Aidan O Mahony thread from the summer? Lets not get too precious. Mc Menamin is a top class player but is an absolute gypsy on the pitch. And none of this oul "it makes him the player he is" shite to justify his behaviour. When you have the ability he does is it necessary? I could be wrong but he strikes me as the kind of fella that is happy to give it out knowing he has 14 other fellas to back him up.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on February 15, 2009, 07:53:32 PM
This isnt the 1st time Curran's kick outs have been a massive problem. He's obviously a good enough keeper but I don't think at county level you can afford to be giving away so many points directly from poor/short kickouts. Thought McCullagh was wasteful at times today, he does seem to get badly caught for pace at times. In a lot of cases he uses his brain to make up for it but he can get caught in possession.
He made two brilliant saves today, which kept Tyrone in the game until the very end. However, as you said, he gifted the Kerry boys a lot of possession with his poor kick outs.
With Devine during the Dublin game and Curran today, will McConnell be starting against Galway on the 7th?
Quote from: hardstation on February 15, 2009, 08:28:28 PM
Quote from: Minder on February 15, 2009, 08:25:23 PM
I could be wrong but he strikes me as the kind of fella that is happy to give it out knowing he has 14 other fellas to back him up.
I had that thought today.
nah, Ricey manages to start it /respond to it all on his own, doesnt even wait for the pack. Volatile is prob what the record books will record + his medals.
Quote from: hardstation on February 15, 2009, 07:59:16 PM
What do yous make of Justy at full back? That's two games where he has looked dodgy as feck. He seems to put a hand up and hope for the best. Not convinced.
A valid point. Against Dublin Sherlock had his number and today was ropey too. Sort-of reopens the FB debate again although early, early days.
Good to see marriage hasn't diminished the Block's powers...
Quote from: tyroneman on February 15, 2009, 08:10:37 PM
Don't think MH will be too downhearted about today's performance. Plenty of stuff to work on though.
- Kickouts are a big problem, both Devine against Dublin and especially Curren today were woeful. There were times through that you almost felt Curren was kicking to a predefined pattern and expecting a run to be made into the space he was aiming for; at least 5 times he floated a ball straigh to galvin / AN Other Kerry player with no Tyrone jersey near them.
- McGee was poor, new rules don't suit him
- Justin finshed on TW as soon as the black book produced. Today also showed that the 2008 AIF was won by the half forwards putting enough pressure on Kerry to ensure they didn't get decent ball into Walsh and Star. Too many times in the 1st half you could see a Kerry MF / HB look up staeady himself and flaot a perfect ball into the big lad, who, fair play to him caught everything that came his way (until Block arrived)
- MF won nothing clean today. Problem area. Again.
- Up fornt we looked a bit toothless when Sean went to MF. Mugsy is fit and playing decent football but is most def a support forward, not the main man.
- Ricey played very well most of the game although I still feel he leaves the middle channel unprpotected too often
- ON the plus side getting brought back down to earth now is no bad thing
When he got the right ball into him Gormley made no difference. Outmuscled in the 2nd half and only for a good save by Curran it would have been another goal for Kerry.
It's this simple, one on one under a dropping ball Walsh is unmarkable.
QuoteHe made two brilliant saves today, which kept Tyrone in the game until the very end
Will have to look back at the tape but I think he cost us at least 1 goal and his kickouts resulted in 4-5 kerry points. His 2 saves were good, but very close range, don't know if he knew much about them.
How long before Harney matures enough to get a chance? 2-3 years? Is he getting the starting spot with the u-21s this year?
Quote from: Jinxy on February 15, 2009, 08:45:41 PM
It's this simple, one on one under a dropping ball Walsh is unmarkable.
I think Walsh is a superb player, as is Dec O'sullivan. Gooch will get the plaudits, but these two are two of the most adept/adaptable players Ive seen in recent years.
Its a real bonus to have a robust and tencious player who also has a great eye for a score.
Only after the 5 minute highlights on RTE, Mc menamin should be looking at 3 months for grabbing Galvan by the balls, the TV camera has a clear picture on it....what an absolute and utter disgrace from a gaa man. O'Connor could be in bother also, it clearly shows him pushing off the ref...in other words man hnadling the ref....but Ricey takes the biscuit, deserves to have the book thrown at him for such disgusting behaviour.
QuoteWhen he got the right ball into him Gormley made no difference. Outmuscled in the 2nd half and only for a good save by Curran it would have been another goal for Kerry.
It's this simple, one on one under a dropping ball Walsh is unmarkable.
Maybe you saw a different game - I thought Block had the better of the exchanges with TW. Fair enough he got away once or twice but more often than not Block had his number.
There's no doubt good ball into him will hurt any team though (and what a good decision it was to sub him in sep ;) ).
Justy I think tries to play football every time , rather than accept there are times you need just be ignorant and clear the ball away, he'll learn though and is still our best FB option.
Thanks for all the hospitality today in Omagh from all Tyrone folks I met . It was a better game from a Kerry point of view than I had expected . I thought Dan Bohane ,Aiden O Shea ,David Moran and Anthony Maher all did well of the new lads in
Kerry looked much the fitter team today but are probably a number of weeks ahead in their schedule . I don't think any kerry supporter will be getting carried away as its only the league .
I wonder how many of the Tyrone players on view today will feature in July \August
The new rules do mean players have to be more carefull in tackling I thought the ref was OK today .
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on February 15, 2009, 08:53:05 PM
Only after the 5 minute highlights on RTE, Mc menamin should be looking at 3 months for grabbing Galvan by the balls, the TV camera has a clear picture on it....what an absolute and utter disgrace from a gaa man. O'Connor could be in bother also, it clearly shows him pushing off the ref...in other words man hnadling the ref....but Ricey takes the biscuit, deserves to have the book thrown at him for such disgusting behaviour.
Twas just a grope! The ref saw it clearly and black-booked Galvin for playacting.
Having just seen the highlights, turning over every time jordan dives has caused me to miss quite a bit. what justification can there be for grabbing an opponent by the balls and particularly when play is stopped? what the feck was the linesman at?
the act of an absolute sc**bag.
Quote from: The GAA on February 15, 2009, 08:57:24 PM
Having just seen the highlights, turning over every time jordan dives has caused me to miss quite a bit. what justification can there be for grabbing an opponent by the balls and particularly when play is stopped? what the feck was the linesman at?
the act of an absolute sc**bag.
blah blah blah
Quote from: tyroneman on February 15, 2009, 08:48:14 PM
QuoteHe made two brilliant saves today, which kept Tyrone in the game until the very end
Will have to look back at the tape but I think he cost us at least 1 goal and his kickouts resulted in 4-5 kerry points. His 2 saves were good, but very close range, don't know if he knew much about them.
How long before Harney matures enough to get a chance? 2-3 years? Is he getting the starting spot with the u-21s this year?
the uuj sigerson keeper greg kelly will likely be the u-21 keeper this year.
Ricey's 'trampish' imbarrasing antics should not be defended by any true GAA fan. I hope he is pulled on it and gets suspended. He needs to be taught some manners. :-\
Quote from: An Fear Rua on February 15, 2009, 09:00:15 PM
Quote from: The GAA on February 15, 2009, 08:57:24 PM
Having just seen the highlights, turning over every time jordan dives has caused me to miss quite a bit. what justification can there be for grabbing an opponent by the balls and particularly when play is stopped? what the feck was the linesman at?
the act of an absolute sc**bag.
blah blah blah
You obviously disagree?
after seeing Sunday sport I still can't condone riceys behaviour although he was pushed in the back by marc o se and then the melée began with o Connor et al! Again not condoning the act but Paul galvin certainly has a v delicate set of family jewels ;) full back line was slightly exposed during the 1st half and after seeing Galway put three past the dubs it's certainly something that would need to be looked at
Quote from: The GAA on February 15, 2009, 09:04:30 PM
Quote from: An Fear Rua on February 15, 2009, 09:00:15 PM
Quote from: The GAA on February 15, 2009, 08:57:24 PM
Having just seen the highlights, turning over every time jordan dives has caused me to miss quite a bit. what justification can there be for grabbing an opponent by the balls and particularly when play is stopped? what the feck was the linesman at?
the act of an absolute sc**bag.
blah blah blah
You obviously disagree?
yeah I do , and more so, I have the maturity to not label someone I dont know personally as a absolute sc**bag based on some TV highlights.
More so , I also hate the modern phenomenon thats infesting the support of concentrating on the high and mighty catigatinging of players when there is so many positives to be discussed from the day.
this thread is full of people who have managed to comment on certain aspects of the game with a modicum of decorum (its latin, ask your da), try it.
Quote from: The GAA on February 15, 2009, 08:57:24 PM
Having just seen the highlights, turning over every time jordan dives has caused me to miss quite a bit. what justification can there be for grabbing an opponent by the balls and particularly when play is stopped? what the feck was the linesman at?
the act of an absolute sc**bag.
How many times exactly did Jordan dive that you missed so much? I saw him winning a few free's and from were I was standing far away looked like fouls. Did anyone who watched it on tv and are not from Armagh see him doing much diving that could have resulted in the gaa missing so much?
i stayed away from posting here all evening so i'd calm down and give the old blood pressure a break, todays result means absolutely nothing and jack o connor couldn't care less if kerry lost by 3 points. but mcmenamin really took the biscuit this time, does he always go around grabbing opponents by the balls? i bet hes probably never done that before but did it today to galvin solely to get him to react and get the line. what a p***k. i was sickened by his antics and non stop mouthing (bit late mouthing to cooper AFTER hes scored 2 goals). no doubt someone this year will get sick of listening to tyrones no 6 and shut him up. wont be a minute too soon imo
Quote from: hardstation on February 15, 2009, 08:57:32 PM
Darren O'Sullivan is a handful, especially with the new rules. Remember him in the '04 minor final when he nearly beat Tyrone on his own, only they dragged him down every time he went on a run. When he ran at Tyrone today, he caused problems. You saw the Tyrone players ready to haul at him and at the last second, they pulled their arm away. A flying machine and can shrug off a hit no problem.
Been waiting for this whippet to hit the headlines since 04. He didn't seem cute (cynical) enough at the top table. As you say, maybe these new rules will be the making of him, and any other speed merchants. Jaysus Mickey Linden would've seen a whole defence yellow carded in 2009!
MK
Quotedoes he always go around grabbing opponents by the balls?
No, he sometimes goes down with his knees on an opponents neck.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 15, 2009, 09:20:18 PM
MK
Quotedoes he always go around grabbing opponents by the balls?
No, he sometimes goes down with his knees on an opponents neck.
go away,put your shovel in the shed, have a kebab and smile
while it didn't look good, it wasn't that bad either. its not like he kneed him or punched him in the groin and galvin made the most of it. it was only a wee feel
Ricey is not the first to grab an opponents balls and he wont be the last either
Quote from: An Fear Rua on February 15, 2009, 09:22:03 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 15, 2009, 09:20:18 PM
MK
Quotedoes he always go around grabbing opponents by the balls?
No, he sometimes goes down with his knees on an opponents neck.
go away,put your shovel in the shed, have a kebab and smile
Dont like Kebabs.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 15, 2009, 09:27:53 PM
Quote from: An Fear Rua on February 15, 2009, 09:22:03 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 15, 2009, 09:20:18 PM
MK
Quotedoes he always go around grabbing opponents by the balls?
No, he sometimes goes down with his knees on an opponents neck.
go away,put your shovel in the shed, have a kebab and smile
Dont like Kebabs.
There isnt much you like fella
Are they handing out free *'s in Kerry today? Starting to read like a yobbish soccer website, the amount of vitriol flying around about Ricey. He gets in players faces, there have always been those types of players, Galvin being one. That's part of the game. Get over it.
Can someone from tyrone please say riceys behaviour is not acceptable. 6 months at least...and dont pick him after that.
Quote from: Mickeys beard on February 15, 2009, 09:37:46 PM
Are they handing out free *'s in Kerry today? Starting to read like a yobbish soccer website, the amount of vitriol flying around about Ricey. He gets in players faces, there have always been those types of players, Galvin being one. That's part of the game. Get over it.
you would think reading this thread that every other county team had 15 saints playing for them. teams are successful in sport because they have the right mix. a ricey/galvin type player is part of the mix.
Ive been a great admirer of Tyrone in the last ten years but today my opinion changed big style. McMenimin showed what a tr**p he really is. good player but that behaviour is a disgrace and he should recieve a suspension. Coly Cav showed he has a bit to do to be a top inter county player. Raymond Mulgrew is not getting a fair chance anymore, what a waste of talent. How does Hub Hughes continue to get on?? he is rubbish. McGinley and Jordan where tyrones best in my view. Gooch, Tommy Walsh, Darren and Declan Osullivan gave the tyrone defence some exibition of foward play in the first half especially.
Blah blah blah! Unbelievable that Tyrone supporters won't condemn Ricey for what he did. "Get's in players faces". What kind of a statement is that. What's that got to do with a game of football? Nothing. His constant mouthing and willingness to step over the line is appalling and if he did half the things he does during a match out on the street he'd either be arrested or get a kicking.
What he did today was sexual assault and Galvin would be well within his rights to go to the police about it with the video evidence there for all to see. Disgusting!
As for the game well MH will hardly be too worried about it at this time of the year as he's all about peaking at the right time. Kerry will feel they have a psychological victoy but really both will be safe in the league and everything will be judged on Championship. As said on Sunday Sport, there wouldn't be the same space available during a cship game.
Quote from: bcarrier on February 15, 2009, 09:39:26 PM
Can someone from tyrone please say riceys behaviour is not acceptable. 6 months at least...and dont pick him after that.
Read back and u will see that the vast majority of Tyrone posters do not condone his actions but ban him for 6 months and never pick him
is ludicrous, he needs to rein in the winding and cheap shots but it's always been apart of his and a lot of other peoples game
Quote from: clarshack on February 15, 2009, 09:46:57 PM
Quote from: Mickeys beard on February 15, 2009, 09:37:46 PM
Are they handing out free *'s in Kerry today? Starting to read like a yobbish soccer website, the amount of vitriol flying around about Ricey. He gets in players faces, there have always been those types of players, Galvin being one. That's part of the game. Get over it.
you would think reading this thread that every other county team had 15 saints playing for them. teams are successful in sport because they have the right mix. a ricey/galvin type player is part of the mix.
Dont think so, there's armagh players I'd call tramps too.
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on February 15, 2009, 09:47:16 PM
How does Hub Hughes continue to get on?? he is rubbish.
Give me rubbish players all day long, especially if he catches the throw in after half time, sprints the half of the field, plays a one-two and sets up the only goal in the All-Ireland final and follows that up with a point. That happened 5 months ago. Mickey Knows.
Im not going to call Ryan McMennamen any names or spill any vitriol. But I think his actions are not acceptable, very unsportsman-like and I would expect him to get a suspension.
Am a tyrone man but do we have to win at all costs does it matter who we insult mentally or physically how bad it looks too our children and children the length and breadth of ireland obviously is does not matter win at all cost is the attitude. Sickens me to be honest really does, how do club coaches in tyrone tell an under 10 player that you cannot do what mc meniman does he would think you are mad unless there is a punishment internally!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: screenexile on February 15, 2009, 09:48:01 PM
What he did today was sexual assault and Galvin would be well within his rights to go to the police about it with the video evidence there for all to see. Disgusting!
and I thought valentines day was for women.
thats one of the most embarrassing things Ive ver read on this forum, the Irish Star would be emabarrassed to print it, and an insult to anyone who has ever had to misfortune to be assaulted in that way.
catch a grip.
Quote from: hardstation on February 15, 2009, 10:00:14 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 15, 2009, 09:55:31 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on February 15, 2009, 09:47:16 PM
How does Hub Hughes continue to get on?? he is rubbish.
Give me rubbish players all day long, especially if he catches the throw in after half time, sprints the half of the field, plays a one-two and sets up the only goal in the All-Ireland final and follows that up with a point. That happened 5 months ago. Mickey Knows.
Aye, but anytime he goes to shoot, my ma shouts, "Oh fcuk, ma windies, and them only washed".
"Match is in Omagh, ma".
Have to say a few years ago he was a decent player but in recent years he has been very poor and Harte continues to use him. He rarely wins kick outs and his distribution as you said is terrible. Mulgrew is better than Coly Cav, Mellon and Hub. Not saying he is he is amazing but he should be getting more game time.
Some pretty sweeping statements on this thread with people getting way too excited over a league match in February. The idea somebody floated earlier about Tyrone "panicing" is as ludicrous as those posts after the Dublin match which suggested Tyrone had Sam won already. There's an awful lot can happen between now and the championship (eg who would have said at this stage last year that Tyrone would win the AI in 2008?). If these two sides keep their key men fit they will be contenders in the summer. There are a few other contenders too and neither Kerry or Tyrone are miles ahead of the rest as some people suggest.
Few other observations...although the reaction on here is way OTT the fact is Ricey let himself down. If he gets a ban he cant complain. The attacks on Kevin Hughes are very unfair, people are blinded by the fact he tends to hit bad wides every game. His overall game is strong though (and was key to Tyrone beating Kerry last September). Mulgrew's time will come I think, he will get a chance over the next few months and I can see him stepping up. Its only Justy McMahon's second season at FB as well so lets cut him some slack, he didnt have any bad games when it mattered last summer. Overall a decent start to the league for Tyrone with a couple of fairly high intensity games for this time of year and a few new lads showing up well. With the likes of Dooher and McGuigan still to come back and SON to add to todays team it bodes pretty well. The key is avoiding injuries to key men.
how long for spitting in a players face then guys ?
Quote from: bcarrier on February 15, 2009, 10:12:59 PM
how long for spitting in a players face then guys ?
disgusting , who did it?
Quote from: hardstation on February 15, 2009, 10:00:14 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 15, 2009, 09:55:31 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on February 15, 2009, 09:47:16 PM
How does Hub Hughes continue to get on?? he is rubbish.
Give me rubbish players all day long, especially if he catches the throw in after half time, sprints the half of the field, plays a one-two and sets up the only goal in the All-Ireland final and follows that up with a point. That happened 5 months ago. Mickey Knows.
Aye, but anytime he goes to shoot, my ma shouts, "Oh fcuk, ma windies, and them only washed".
"Match is in Omagh, ma".
I concede his score-to-shot ratio may be dubious.
Hi oneill is Hughes married to s Derrytresk woman???
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2009/0215/tyrone_kerry.html
Quote from: aroundincircles on February 15, 2009, 10:03:44 PM
Am a tyrone man but do we have to win at all costs does it matter who we insult mentally or physically how bad it looks too our children and children the length and breadth of ireland obviously is does not matter win at all cost is the attitude. Sickens me to be honest really does, how do club coaches in tyrone tell an under 10 player that you cannot do what mc meniman does he would think you are mad unless there is a punishment internally!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Exactly!
He's a disgrace - MH who is a gentleman and never participates in controversy only to quell it, should sort him out or else let the authorities do it for him. Young cubs in Tyrone will think its accecptable to yap and carry on like McMenamin and the result will be that we will have a heap of soccer player like arseholes playing our games in no time!
McMenamins actions towards Galvin was unacceptable, there is no doubt about that. He cant complain if gets suspended from it. Still don't think there was any need for the personal attacks and language used towards him on a gaa forum. Not too bothered about his mouthing on the pitch, doesnt do anyone any harm and in some cases you can actually see the opposition laughing. Guys like Cooper are well able to mouth back at him. He always gives a 100% on the pitch and off the pitch puts a lot back into the gaa. He does need to look at some of his actions though and realise when he's crossing the line.
Watched the 2nd half. Some off the stuff posted by Armagh supporters earlier in the thread about Jordan is nonsenes and laughable unless the "dives" took place in the 1st half. Jordan was excellent in the 2nd half. He likes to run the ball and this can result in him being pulled down. Today he won 4 free's in the 2nd half and there is no evidence from the tv footage that in any one of these occasions he dived. All four looked like clear fouls.
McGinley is a machine and hugely important to Tyrone. Hub still has something to offer to Tyrone but shouldnt be allowed to shoot. There was a period in the 2nd half when Tyrone still could have got something from the game. At a crucial time though McCullagh missed an easy free and gave away possesion on Kerry's 21 cheaply. The ref also missed a clear foul on Harte which resulted in a Kerry point. We missed O'Neill today and hopefully for his and Tyrone's sake his knee injury isnt bad. Tyrone got a great backing from the crowd in the 2nd half today and after the game.
Quote from: bcarrier on February 15, 2009, 10:18:53 PM
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2009/0215/tyrone_kerry.html
That's pretty damning. Was that during the incident at the end?
Interesting game today, Tyrone will have absorbed a lot of lessons for later in the summer.
Kerry totally anihalated Tyrones middle third in the breaking ball stakes, the stats would be very interesting. When Walsh and Cooper get good ball coming in they are very, very hard to handle. It definitely seemed to be a deliberate ploy for Kerry today to isolate them and send in quality diagonal ball.
Swift struggled on Cooper but played very well after being switched and he looks a real option to me. He is very comfortable on the ball and even looks like he could be an option in the half back line in certain circumstances. Think McGee's days could be numbered. The new rules dont suit his style and he is very poor on the ball for this level.
Gormley faired better than McMahon on Walsh, good to see him back.
Jordan was immense driving forward in the second half but have to say I often find his theatrics when he is pulled down over the top at times. Cant condone Ricey's behaviour today at all, pity he lets himself down like this at times because he is one hell of a player.
McCullagh was on the ball plenty but his decision making was poor too often, the firmer sod will help him though. Colm Cavanagh fails to impress at this level, in my mind dont think he has the attributes required to really kick on.
yes
This is the same county board who defended mc meniman when he STOOD on mc entees kneck in croke park. I cannot justify these decisions is this what we want from our teams as far as i am concerned i would rather my two sons stay at home than witness this behaviour on a constant and regular basis 6 months would not be enough. I feel so strong about this.
PS i grounded my son on thursday for spitting at our dog.
100 page thread coming up. look at the picture.
Emotions running high here, people need to calm down.
His actions were unacceptable, no Tyrone fan, with the exception of one clown, has defended it. Fair enough, not much more can be added. Again, football fields do strange things to people. Personal insults should result in bans on here, leave it out of it.
Tyrone fans should worry because it may come back to bite him and he may get the lline in an important match. How the linesman did not say something is beyond belief.
McGinley is a legend, simple as!
Perhaps the (alleged) spit is what O'Connor was so worked up about.
Quote from: bcarrier on February 15, 2009, 10:28:17 PM
100 page thread coming up. look at the picture.
bring it on. and let everyman declare his loyalties and prepare to defend themselves, lest they be declared hypocrits.
Good game of football considering the conditions and lets face it no silverware handed out in February! Saying that I think both managers will be happy and will have learned from the individual performances and how certain players react in the heat of the action even though the tempo will be greater come the summer if the 2 powers meet again. On that note I hope we all get to see them face each other in the late summer because it will be a feast for all GAA followers throughout the country. As its only February I'm not getting hung up on individual performances but I would like to say Ryan Mc Menamin is a fine footballer and has proved on his day he is one of the best in his position that said, I cringe everytime he resorts to his cheap tactics and would love if he stuck to what he does best. It hasn't been mentioned on here but Compliments to Marc O Shea as he didn't react to the slap in the face or the resulting shove but just walked away down the tunnel. Must say it displayed a positive professional mindset that showed who really was in control of the situation and it certainly wasn't Ricie that was focused on the task in hand this year! If we see that same steely focused look on the Tyrone teams faces this year, I've no doubt we will be up there as one of the main contenders when the honours are handed out.
You'd have thought the O'Se would have reacted in some way if McMenamin deliberately spat in his face. I really dont think he did as I cant remember any indident at game that suggested it happened. A still picture can be deceiving.
Who spat at who?
Do not believe all you see
its on the rte website FFS.
Quote from: AFS on February 15, 2009, 10:29:37 PM
Perhaps the (alleged) spit is what O'Connor was so worked up about.
O'Connor reacted to whatever was happening with McCullagh. I find it impossible to believe that Marc O'Se reacted in no way to being spat at in the face. I really think the picture is giving a false impression of what happened. I'll hold my hands up if proved wrong by video footage.
Quote from: bcarrier on February 15, 2009, 10:28:17 PM
100 page thread coming up.
pictures tell 1000 stories
no mention of spitting until a still was produced in an after match report.
no mention of spitting inthe thread from those of us who watched it live.
Get the Kerry man to confirm if ricey spat at him. clear it all up
There are plenty on her spitting on their monitor already , vitriol stinks
spitting stinks, shithawk thing to do.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on February 15, 2009, 10:23:48 PM
McMenamins actions towards Galvin was unacceptable, there is no doubt about that. He cant complain if gets suspended from it. Still don't think there was any need for the personal attacks and language used towards him on a gaa forum. Not too bothered about his mouthing on the pitch, doesnt do anyone any harm and in some cases you can actually see the opposition laughing. Guys like Cooper are well able to mouth back at him. He always gives a 100% on the pitch and off the pitch puts a lot back into the gaa. He does need to look at some of his actions though and realise when he's crossing the line.
Watched the 2nd half. Some off the stuff posted by Armagh supporters earlier in the thread about Jordan is nonsenes and laughable unless the "dives" took place in the 1st half. Jordan was excellent in the 2nd half. He likes to run the ball and this can result in him being pulled down. Today he won 4 free's in the 2nd half and there is no evidence from the tv footage that in any one of these occasions he dived. All four looked like clear fouls.
McGinley is a machine and hugely important to Tyrone. Hub still has something to offer to Tyrone but shouldnt be allowed to shoot. There was a period in the 2nd half when Tyrone still could have got something from the game. At a crucial time though McCullagh missed an easy free and gave away possesion on Kerry's 21 cheaply. The ref also missed a clear foul on Harte which resulted in a Kerry point. We missed O'Neill today and hopefully for his and Tyrone's sake his knee injury isnt bad. Tyrone got a great backing from the crowd in the 2nd half today and after the game.
at last someone with a balanced view of todays game instead getting up on their high horse abou certain players/incidents
Quoteat last someone with a balanced view of todays game instead getting up on their high horse abou certain players/incidents
How do you expect people to react to a player grabbing/patting/slapping another player in the balls?
Quote from: An Fear Rua on February 15, 2009, 10:36:01 PM
Quote from: bcarrier on February 15, 2009, 10:28:17 PM
100 page thread coming up.
pictures tell 1000 stories
no mention of spitting until a still was produced in an after match report.
no mention of spitting inthe thread from those of us who watched it live.
Get the Kerry man to confirm if ricey spat at him. clear it all up
There are plenty on her spitting on their monitor already , vitriol stinks
spitting stinks, shithawk thing to do.
The match is only over a few hours, give it a bit of time (if it is as it seems).
I'm sure there were plenty of things missed by those in attendance during the melee at the end.
Hi blue are you happy enough with the behaviour of mc menaman then, surely we cannot ignore this i know for one i feel that angry about that type of thing i cannot ignore it sorry to tell you.
Ross and Brand written allover it.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on February 15, 2009, 10:36:26 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on February 15, 2009, 10:23:48 PM
McMenamins actions towards Galvin was unacceptable, there is no doubt about that. He cant complain if gets suspended from it. Still don't think there was any need for the personal attacks and language used towards him on a gaa forum. Not too bothered about his mouthing on the pitch, doesnt do anyone any harm and in some cases you can actually see the opposition laughing. Guys like Cooper are well able to mouth back at him. He always gives a 100% on the pitch and off the pitch puts a lot back into the gaa. He does need to look at some of his actions though and realise when he's crossing the line.
Watched the 2nd half. Some off the stuff posted by Armagh supporters earlier in the thread about Jordan is nonsenes and laughable unless the "dives" took place in the 1st half. Jordan was excellent in the 2nd half. He likes to run the ball and this can result in him being pulled down. Today he won 4 free's in the 2nd half and there is no evidence from the tv footage that in any one of these occasions he dived. All four looked like clear fouls.
McGinley is a machine and hugely important to Tyrone. Hub still has something to offer to Tyrone but shouldnt be allowed to shoot. There was a period in the 2nd half when Tyrone still could have got something from the game. At a crucial time though McCullagh missed an easy free and gave away possesion on Kerry's 21 cheaply. The ref also missed a clear foul on Harte which resulted in a Kerry point. We missed O'Neill today and hopefully for his and Tyrone's sake his knee injury isnt bad. Tyrone got a great backing from the crowd in the 2nd half today and after the game.
at last someone with a balanced view of todays game instead getting up on their high horse abou certain players/incidents
thats how i expect people to react
I genuinely don't think Ricey spat at O'Sé if this is the picture everyone else is going by.
(http://www.hoganstand.com/Common/ImageGallery/1kerrytyrone%20(2).jpg)
Looks like he's just slobbering if you ask me and given the way he ran around all day frothing at the mouth it's hardly surprising.
Also, Bryan Sheehan should never be let near a game against Tyrone again.
He's just not aggressive enough in his play.
Thought that Bohane lad played well.
Looked to drive forward in the 2nd half when Kerry were on the back foot.
So is it coopers fault then????
Quote from: An Fear Rua on February 15, 2009, 10:05:07 PM
Quote from: screenexile on February 15, 2009, 09:48:01 PM
What he did today was sexual assault and Galvin would be well within his rights to go to the police about it with the video evidence there for all to see. Disgusting!
and I thought valentines day was for women.
thats one of the most embarrassing things Ive ver read on this forum, the Irish Star would be emabarrassed to print it, and an insult to anyone who has ever had to misfortune to be assaulted in that way.
catch a grip.
There are many different forms of sexual assault and groping someone in the balls would most definitely be a form of it.
I can tell you I am in no way embarrassed but McMenamin should be. He should also thank his lucky stars if he hasn't been charged and if he does escape suspension it will be a complete travesty and mke a mockery of our new disciplinary rules. The worst possible thing you can do on a football field!!!
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on February 15, 2009, 10:31:49 PM
You'd have thought the O'Se would have reacted in some way if McMenamin deliberately spat in his face. I really dont think he did as I cant remember any indident at game that suggested it happened. A still picture can be deceiving.
Get off the fence you joker. If a Kerry player did that you'd be the type of poster who'd start a seperate thread. Spitting and grabbing somone by the balls are not acceptable at any level on a Gaa pitch. I'd be ashamed if a Dublin player did that today and I wouldn't be shy about condeming it either. Thats not acceptable. I can never understand why a player of his quality has to indulge in that crap.
Quote from: screenexile on February 15, 2009, 10:46:11 PM
There are many different forms of sexual assault and groping someone in the balls would most definitely be a form of it.
I can tell you I am in no way embarrassed but McMenamin should be. He should also thank his lucky stars if he hasn't been charged and if he does escape suspension it will be a complete travesty and mke a mockery of our new disciplinary rules. The worst possible thing you can do on a football field!!!
we look forward to your campaign against it in the future, you might even get funding, i belive comic relief is just around the corner
Strange that if was a spit that it was not cover on both tv shows today.
I do not believe that it was and if it was, it has no place on or of the pitch
Quote from: INDIANA on February 15, 2009, 10:47:07 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on February 15, 2009, 10:31:49 PM
You'd have thought the O'Se would have reacted in some way if McMenamin deliberately spat in his face. I really dont think he did as I cant remember any indident at game that suggested it happened. A still picture can be deceiving.
Get off the fence you joker. If a Kerry player did that you'd be the type of poster who'd start a seperate thread. Spitting and grabbing somone by the balls are not acceptable at any level on a Gaa pitch. I'd be ashamed if a Dublin player did that today and I wouldn't be shy about condeming it either. Thats not acceptable. I can never understand why a player of his quality has to indulge in that crap.
What the hell is that comment about. Go and find one thread that I started about the behaviour of a Kerry or any other player for that matter. I've already said grabbing another player by the balls is unacceptable and wouldn't complain if there was a suspension. I do not believe McMenamin spat in O'Se's face. The row at the end was as a result of Ricey pushing into O'Se and certainly appeared nothing to do with a spit. My guess is as someone else has said that the spit was more likely to have come from McMenamin slabbering as he was shouting at O'Se.
Lads if all ye are going on is that picture I think the spitting accusation is pretty tenuous.
An Fear if you were standing in a pub and a man came up and "patted" you on the balls what would your reaction be?
Quote from: gerry on February 15, 2009, 10:52:38 PM
Strange that if was a spit that it was not cover on both tv shows today.
I do not believe that it was and if it was, it has no place on or of the pitch
It happened to me once, my first reaction was to break his nose, which is exactly what I did(not proud of it), would the average county player stop, think, worry about the pictures and lie down? I very much doubt it
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 15, 2009, 10:56:29 PM
An Fear if you were standing in a pub and a man came up and "patted" you on the balls what would your reaction be?
Id pinch his ass and ask for his phone number, if I wasnt sure ,I would text it to you.
Quote from: INDIANA on February 15, 2009, 10:47:07 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on February 15, 2009, 10:31:49 PM
You'd have thought the O'Se would have reacted in some way if McMenamin deliberately spat in his face. I really dont think he did as I cant remember any indident at game that suggested it happened. A still picture can be deceiving.
Get off the fence you joker. If a Kerry player did that you'd be the type of poster who'd start a seperate thread. Spitting and grabbing somone by the balls are not acceptable at any level on a Gaa pitch. I'd be ashamed if a Dublin player did that today and I wouldn't be shy about condeming it either. Thats not acceptable. I can never understand why a player of his quality has to indulge in that crap.
I just checked and since I've been on here I've started 6 threads. I'm pretty sure none of them have been about the behaviour of any player. I know one of the threads was about utv/bbc, another was about viewing figures last year and one was about the railway cup. Not sure about the other 3 but pretty confident they woulnt back up your comment.
Quote from: An Fear Rua on February 15, 2009, 10:57:35 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 15, 2009, 10:56:29 PM
An Fear if you were standing in a pub and a man came up and "patted" you on the balls what would your reaction be?
Id pinch his ass and ask for his phone number, if I wasnt sure ,I would text it to you.
Interesting, but I think you're telling porkies.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 15, 2009, 10:56:29 PM
An Fear if you were standing in a pub and a man came up and "patted" you on the balls what would your reaction be?
Depends on the pub I suppose! :o
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 15, 2009, 10:59:28 PM
Quote from: An Fear Rua on February 15, 2009, 10:57:35 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 15, 2009, 10:56:29 PM
An Fear if you were standing in a pub and a man came up and "patted" you on the balls what would your reaction be?
Id pinch his ass and ask for his phone number, if I wasnt sure ,I would text it to you.
Interesting, but I think you're telling porkies.
your are quite correct, I wouldnt be that cruel
I didnt see the game on TV, so I'm reading this thread to get a hang on the game. If ricey did what has been mentioned here, I find it hard that anyone can defend it. Fondoling scrotums has to be the lowest of the low.
There is not one person defending it here. What many Tyronnies are reacting to are the vulgar obscenities directed his way, and in one case a threat of violence. I've already put pog in his place about that and feel bad about that as at least he's trying to converse in a gaa related thread.
Where's RHF to cast a cold eye on proceedings.
Mickey Hartes column in the Irish News should be interesting this Friday.
What Mc Menamin did was pathetic. Completely out of order.
Quote from: hardstation on February 15, 2009, 11:14:39 PM
Feigning injury is pretty bad too.
It is but in this case it's over shadowed.
Quote from: hardstation on February 15, 2009, 11:24:37 PM
Galvin dropped like a stone after the 'pat'.
Did he grab his balls or no? Some say yea, some say nay.
The slightest flick to the beans usually result in the sorest response
He put his hand over his balls and gave them a squeeze...
What should Galvi's reaction have been? A cheeky Wink?
He did't feign injury!
Quote from: Jinxy on February 15, 2009, 08:45:41 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on February 15, 2009, 08:10:37 PM
Don't think MH will be too downhearted about today's performance. Plenty of stuff to work on though.
- Kickouts are a big problem, both Devine against Dublin and especially Curren today were woeful. There were times through that you almost felt Curren was kicking to a predefined pattern and expecting a run to be made into the space he was aiming for; at least 5 times he floated a ball straigh to galvin / AN Other Kerry player with no Tyrone jersey near them.
- McGee was poor, new rules don't suit him
- Justin finshed on TW as soon as the black book produced. Today also showed that the 2008 AIF was won by the half forwards putting enough pressure on Kerry to ensure they didn't get decent ball into Walsh and Star. Too many times in the 1st half you could see a Kerry MF / HB look up staeady himself and flaot a perfect ball into the big lad, who, fair play to him caught everything that came his way (until Block arrived)
- MF won nothing clean today. Problem area. Again.
- Up fornt we looked a bit toothless when Sean went to MF. Mugsy is fit and playing decent football but is most def a support forward, not the main man.
- Ricey played very well most of the game although I still feel he leaves the middle channel unprpotected too often
- ON the plus side getting brought back down to earth now is no bad thing
When he got the right ball into him Gormley made no difference. Outmuscled in the 2nd half and only for a good save by Curran it would have been another goal for Kerry.
It's this simple, one on one under a dropping ball Walsh is unmarkable.
the same dropping balls they were firing in to him last september?
THAT picture is of O'Shea spitting at McMenamin. Let's hear the condemnations from the Ricey bashers now!
Quote from: hardstation on February 15, 2009, 11:33:25 PM
Grab? No. Flick? No. Just a soft 'pat'.
Screen..... stop lying, he didn't squeeze them.
Patin', grabbing, pinching, feeling or even sucking testicles is not on. It may be common practice in OD Rossa and St Dympnas, but most players will react unfavourably to that carry on
I was talking to a family member on the phone straight after the match. She told me that it was MO'S who spat on Ricey. Looking at the photo, I think this is the more likely scenario.
Quote from: hardstation on February 15, 2009, 11:41:54 PM
Quote from: the green man on February 15, 2009, 11:40:08 PM
Quote from: hardstation on February 15, 2009, 11:33:25 PM
Grab? No. Flick? No. Just a soft 'pat'.
Screen..... stop lying, he didn't squeeze them.
Patin', grabbing, pinching, feeling or even sucking testicles is not on. It may be common practice in OD Rossa and St Dympnas, but most players will react unfavourably to that carry on
By falling on the ground like he had one ripped out? Ref was right to tell him to wise up, I think.
I'm for our hurling training on tuesday to have a slight feel of Rogie's balls. I'll tell him to wise up if he over reacts.
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Quote from: tyroneman on February 15, 2009, 08:10:37 PM
Don't think MH will be too downhearted about today's performance. Plenty of stuff to work on though.
- Kickouts are a big problem, both Devine against Dublin and especially Curren today were woeful. There were times through that you almost felt Curren was kicking to a predefined pattern and expecting a run to be made into the space he was aiming for; at least 5 times he floated a ball straigh to galvin / AN Other Kerry player with no Tyrone jersey near them.
- McGee was poor, new rules don't suit him
- Justin finshed on TW as soon as the black book produced. Today also showed that the 2008 AIF was won by the half forwards putting enough pressure on Kerry to ensure they didn't get decent ball into Walsh and Star. Too many times in the 1st half you could see a Kerry MF / HB look up staeady himself and flaot a perfect ball into the big lad, who, fair play to him caught everything that came his way (until Block arrived)
- MF won nothing clean today. Problem area. Again.
- Up fornt we looked a bit toothless when Sean went to MF. Mugsy is fit and playing decent football but is most def a support forward, not the main man.
- Ricey played very well most of the game although I still feel he leaves the middle channel unprpotected too often
- ON the plus side getting brought back down to earth now is no bad thing
When he got the right ball into him Gormley made no difference. Outmuscled in the 2nd half and only for a good save by Curran it would have been another goal for Kerry.
It's this simple, one on one under a dropping ball Walsh is unmarkable.
the same dropping balls they were firing in to him last september?
That's the whole point. Walsh caught the first 2 balls that went into him in the All-Ireland final.
After that he was never left isolated on a defender.
He was getting better ball today as well though than went into him for most of the final.
Quote from: hardstation on February 15, 2009, 11:46:42 PM
If he falls in a heap, I'll be surprised.
What could he do, that wouldn't result in court action?
What could the Kerry man do, that wouldn't result in a sending off?
Is anyone going to discuss the game itself?
Ricey was stupid, foolish and diotic. He should have been punished by the ref who was standing straight in front of the incident. Galvin must have wanted to dig him but it wouldn't have got him anywhere. Look at the Muldoon/Campbell case of a few years ago. Regardless whether it was grabbing, patting or whatever its a dirty action that should not be condoned or tolerated.
On to the game, Kerry looked superb in the first half, very rocky in the second - with Tyrone being the other way around. Gormley got black carded after the first ball into Walsh, and if Kerry got more decent ball into him, Gormley might not have seen to much action. Walsh showed some very poor composure in front of goal, in the second half - Gooch would have scored both those chances. If Tyrone got a 3pointer in the second half, they would have won it.
As for the spitting - it just looks like Ricey is mouthin at MOS and some slabber flew out.
O'Connor should not have lost the run of himself.
Is grabbing the balls a red card offence?
thought he should have switched joe and justin early on as walsh was clearly getting the better of justin. there might not been as much free ball for the gooch then. sean was wasted in the full forward line in the first half as he was getting no ball in. imo sean would have been better employed in the middle of the field, collie mc cullagh into the full forward line and cassidy at h/f as he was winning plenty of ball when he was pushed forward
Quote from: tyronefan on February 16, 2009, 12:03:29 AM
thought he should have switched joe and justin early on as walsh was clearly getting the better of justin. there might not been as much free ball for the gooch then. sean was wasted in the full forward line in the first half as he was getting no ball in. imo sean would have been better employed in the middle of the field, collie mc cullagh into the full forward line and cassidy at h/f as he was winning plenty of ball when he was pushed forward
Would love to see Justin getting a rattle outfield a bit. He's a footballer foremost and shows enough to suggest he could do damage around the middle.
i thought he done well when he was switched out to the h/f and was running down the wing
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seem like the best of freinds
Looks like the honeymoons over :D
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Hardstation.
You are by far, the best and funniest poster on this board. Don't compromise yourself by even remotely trying to defend Ryan McMenamin's behaviour today. It ranks with the worst I have ever witnessed on any sportsfield.
Very impressed with David Moran for Kerry looks a really good find. O Connor has put the devil back into Kerry. Easily the 2 best teams in the country. Its quite extraordinary how far the rest of the teams are behind these two.
Quote from: redcard on February 16, 2009, 12:23:23 AM
Looks like the honeymoons over :D
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Walsh should pick on someone his own size. :o
Quote from: hardstation on February 16, 2009, 12:27:34 AM
Quote from: seamusthebard on February 16, 2009, 12:23:41 AM
Hardstation.
You are by far, the best and funniest poster on this board. Don't compromise yourself by even remotely trying to defend Ryan McMenamin's behaviour today. It ranks with the worst I have ever witnessed on any sportsfield.
I am not defending his behaviour, I do think it was out of order and probably scummy (depending on definitions of scummy). I just think that Galvin fell like a bag of shite, unnecessarily.
Fair Enough! His options were limited though and for a man who works on such a short fuse, I thought he restrained himself quite well.
Just saw the incident there, and to be honest, there isnt much can be said in the way of defence of Ricey. Its an incredibly stupid thing to do at best and its a dirty low blow at worst.
Id be more incensed as a team mate if he did that sort of shite and got sent off. Down to 14 men because of something stupid like that is ridiculous.
That said - Galvin does make a bit of a meal of it. We've all had our nuts grabbed, and it doesnt make you fall over.
Quote from: seamusthebard on February 16, 2009, 12:23:41 AM
Hardstation.
You are by far, the best and funniest poster on this board. Don't compromise yourself by even remotely trying to defend Ryan McMenamin's behaviour today. It ranks with the worst I have ever witnessed on any sportsfield.
Aw Jaysus, what a load of bullocks. Have you only recently started watching sport? Broken jaws, headbutts, assaults - your average Derry Div 1 game. 'The worst I have ever witnessed'....give me strength. Stick to yer feckin tabletennis.
Quote from: Puckoon on February 16, 2009, 12:36:28 AM
Just saw the incident there, and to be honest, there isnt much can be said in the way of defence of Ricey. Its an incredibly stupid thing to do at best and its a dirty low blow at worst.
Id be more incensed as a team mate if he did that sort of shite and got sent off. Down to 14 men because of something stupid like that is ridiculous.
That said - Galvin does make a bit of a meal of it. We've all had our nuts grabbed, and it doesnt make you fall over.
Seriously lads, what the f*ck do ye be doing to each other up there? ???
Quote from: An Fear Rua on February 15, 2009, 09:10:09 PM
Quote from: The GAA on February 15, 2009, 09:04:30 PM
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Quote from: The GAA on February 15, 2009, 08:57:24 PM
Having just seen the highlights, turning over every time jordan dives has caused me to miss quite a bit. what justification can there be for grabbing an opponent by the balls and particularly when play is stopped? what the feck was the linesman at?
the act of an absolute sc**bag.
blah blah blah
You obviously disagree?
yeah I do , and more so, I have the maturity to not label someone I dont know personally as a absolute sc**bag based on some TV highlights.
ok, what McMenamin did was the action of a complete sc**bag - not for the first time.
i don't know the fella so can't say conclusively that he's a sc**bag but he certainly acts like one on a regular basis.
Quote from: ONeill on February 16, 2009, 12:37:05 AM
Quote from: seamusthebard on February 16, 2009, 12:23:41 AM
Hardstation.
You are by far, the best and funniest poster on this board. Don't compromise yourself by even remotely trying to defend Ryan McMenamin's behaviour today. It ranks with the worst I have ever witnessed on any sportsfield.
Aw Jaysus, what a load of bullocks. Have you only recently started watching sport? Broken jaws, headbutts, assaults - your average Derry Div 1 game. 'The worst I have ever witnessed'....give me strength. Stick to yer feckin tabletennis.
Yes, I must admit I have seen some of those things, not in derry games however but a number in tyrone games. However, they were done in brawls, retaliation etc. what i have against Mmenamin is that he does without provocation, without shame and then comes on with his "it's all forgotten about at te final whistle, we shook hands after it"- I'm really a fine lad, it just that you don't know me!
But Jaysus you don't do yourself any favours coming out with 'worst ever' material, especially after the Ballinderry/Slaughtneil thugfest or the likes of that in recent years (think Ballinderry/Loup comes to mind). Even yerself reckoned, 'Hence, my surprise, at how acceptable was the violence of Francie Bellew in today's game. He intended to cause physical damage to Brian McGuickian and indeed if it had happened in public, he would have been arrested. Strange how the public view these things.' after the Cross/Ballinderry game. So you're either prone to the exaggeration or you have serious lapses in memory. Anyways, sorry for the personal attack but as yer priest sais in the West ' that sort of shite sickens my hole.'
Quote from: seamusthebard on February 16, 2009, 12:23:41 AM
Hardstation.
You are by far, the best and funniest poster on this board. Don't compromise yourself by even remotely trying to defend Ryan McMenamin's behaviour today. It ranks with the worst I have ever witnessed on any sportsfield.
My god - the worst you've ever seen???? We are fantastic on this board at exaggerating everything way out of proportion! Ricey plays football on the edge and sometimes steps over that edge - and can look silly like he did today!
Quote from: hardstation on February 16, 2009, 12:02:20 AM
Quote from: the green man on February 15, 2009, 11:59:04 PM
Is grabbing the balls a red card offence?
Don't know.
Would you not be better going and having a look at it before you start posting about it?
Dunno either, but Campbell got a retrospective 4 weeks for it from the cdc in the incident that estimator was reffering to with Muldoon.
Hardstation, for an Antrim man, you're a wil tyrone apologist. Why is that?
Quote from: The GAA on February 16, 2009, 12:42:50 AM
Quote from: An Fear Rua on February 15, 2009, 09:10:09 PM
Quote from: The GAA on February 15, 2009, 09:04:30 PM
Quote from: An Fear Rua on February 15, 2009, 09:00:15 PM
Quote from: The GAA on February 15, 2009, 08:57:24 PM
Having just seen the highlights, turning over every time jordan dives has caused me to miss quite a bit. what justification can there be for grabbing an opponent by the balls and particularly when play is stopped? what the feck was the linesman at?
the act of an absolute sc**bag.
blah blah blah
You obviously disagree?
yeah I do , and more so, I have the maturity to not label someone I dont know personally as a absolute sc**bag based on some TV highlights.
ok, what McMenamin did was the action of a complete sc**bag - not for the first time.
i don't know the fella so can't say conclusively that he's a sc**bag but he certainly acts like one on a regular basis.
Shut up!
What he did was hilarious. I was in convulsions :D :D. It was harmless and if someone did it to you in the street you would laugh at them.
Good game for this time of year
Hopefully the 2 will meet at the business end of the championship
Ricey is not a particularly likeable chap on the field
I didnt think he spat at O Se but the photos may suggest otherwise
It was nice of Gormley to advise the referee on who to book/tick :-\
Mc Cullough is involved in everything Tyrone do
Adding Dooher & SON to this team & Armagh have a very very stiff challenge in the Summer
McMenamin's goolie grabbing was funny. But the bawling in someone's face isnt. It's pure incitment and he should be yellow carded for it.
Quote from: Orior on February 16, 2009, 08:26:58 AM
McMenamin's goolie grabbing was funny. But the bawling in someone's face isnt. It's pure incitment and he should be yellow carded for it.
How is that funny?
Quote from: SidelineKick on February 16, 2009, 08:54:11 AM
Quote from: Orior on February 16, 2009, 08:26:58 AM
McMenamin's goolie grabbing was funny. But the bawling in someone's face isnt. It's pure incitment and he should be yellow carded for it.
How is that funny?
It wasn't!! The church frowns on that sort of thing.
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Im not interested in this character asassination nor have I any intention of sticking up or criticising for anyone who dived or who pushed the referee in the chest etc., theres plenty of assholes on here looking to hang men anonymously with their own keyboards, but I think you have shown again Pints you are exactly what you call the footballers, I would have you barred from this site years ago with some of your incitement. Im just going to comment on the game. Tyrone were abysmal in the first half and pieced it together in the second whilst the kerry men went from beautiful in the first to puke football in the second, I can understand why some of the frustration boiled over. Im a little worried that from memory this is the 5th time these sideline incidents have followed Kerry in the last number of years. Who can forget 1) Paidi and the fan 2) the armagh waterboy and Galvin, 3) Galvin, the ref, the linesman and O Se 4) The big fella in the bad suit looking to stop the players getting their tea at half time in last years all ireland final. 5) O Connor shoving the ref yesterday.
The new rules showed yesterday that they will be abused by cute managers. If we want Gaelic football to turn into a game of solo running going nowhere then stick with these rules. It now seems an acceptable thing to solo run in all angles all over the field and then go down handy when a lad puts the hand in to tackle to try to get him sent off. These new rules will not bring in extra kick passing the game will be overrun with solorunning and thats worse than puke. Today Kerry are in the dock on their style of football but again they are only playing within the rules that have been changed to suit them.
Ball-grabbing aside, how many times should Ricey have got a yellow?
It must have been on at least 5 separate occasions.
Quote from: Zapatista on February 16, 2009, 08:55:30 AM
Quote from: SidelineKick on February 16, 2009, 08:54:11 AM
Quote from: Orior on February 16, 2009, 08:26:58 AM
McMenamin's goolie grabbing was funny. But the bawling in someone's face isnt. It's pure incitment and he should be yellow carded for it.
How is that funny?
It wasn't!! The church frowns on that sort of thing.
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As history shows, not all of the church ;)
Quote from: rrhf on February 16, 2009, 08:55:49 AM
Im not interested in this character asassination or who dived or who pushed the referee in the chest etc., theres plenty of assholes on here looking to hand men from the anonymously with their own keyboards,.......................................................
Who can forget 1) Paidi and the fan 2) the armagh waterboy and Galvin, 3) Galvin, the ref, the linesman and O Se 4) The big fella in the bad suit looking to stop the players getting their tea at half time in last years all ireland final. 5) O Connor shoving the ref yesterday.
Irony at its best FFS
Only a blinkered Tyrone fan could talk about the game, criticise Kerry & ignore all things bad about Tyrone - ridiculous
it would be rough and dangerous play i would think
Why dont tyrone stop this nonsense.
You have enough good footballers to win All Irelands without this rubbish .
I would have been really surprised if someone like Cavanagh or O'Neill did what Mc Menamin did yesterday, but i wasnt that surprised when i saw it last night.
I don't care what kind of person he is to be honest, there are alot of players that you wouldn't be too fond of on the field but none go to the lengths of McMenamin. Think John McEntee Croke Park. Players can be hard, play with the rules but still keep their dignity and leave things on the field. McMenamin's actions go beyond this. He lets himself down and hos team mates, people on here talk about character assasination. The man behaves like a thug, what do you expect people to think? Pesronally I don't give a f**k if he reads to sick children in a hospital or serves soup to the homeless, his behaviour (even though its on the field) leaves people no choice but to dislike the man.
I wonder will the ever so opinionated and out spoken Mickey Harte have any comment to make on the actions of one of his heroes?
Quoteok, what McMenamin did was the action of a complete sc**bag - not for the first time.
i don't know the fella so can't say conclusively that he's a sc**bag but he certainly acts like one on a regular basis.
Maybe he & Ciaran McKeever should form a new county together eh? ;)
Quote from: SidelineKick on February 16, 2009, 08:54:11 AM
Quote from: Orior on February 16, 2009, 08:26:58 AM
McMenamin's goolie grabbing was funny. But the bawling in someone's face isnt. It's pure incitment and he should be yellow carded for it.
How is that funny?
Ricey: What do you mean I'm funny?
Orior: It's funny, you know. It's a good story, it's funny, you're a funny guy.
Ricey: what do you mean, you mean the way I talk? What?
Orior: It's just, you know. You're just funny, it's... funny, the way you tell the story and everything.
Ricey: [it becomes quiet] Funny how? What's funny about it?
Sidelinekick: Ricey no, You got it all wrong.
Ricey: Oh, oh, Sidelinekick. He's a big boy, he knows what he said. What did ya say? Funny how?
Orior: Jus...
Ricey: What?
Orior: Just... ya know... you're funny.
Ricey: You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little fucked up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to fuckin' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?
Orior: Just... you know, how you tell the story, what?
Ricey: No, no, I don't know, you said it. How do I know? You said I'm funny. How the f**k am I funny, what the f**k is so funny about me? Tell me, tell me what's funny!
Orior: [long pause] Get the f**k out of here, Ricey!
Ricey: [everyone laughs] Ya motherfucker! I almost had him, I almost had him. Ya stuttering p***k ya. Sidelinekick, was he shaking? I wonder about you sometimes, Orior. You may fold under questioning.
Saw the game.. Thought overall Kerry looked that bit hungrier, although Tyrone showed alot of the old fight after half time, and a potential rematch later in the year should be a hell of a battle.
This whole yellow card and your off nonsense just isnt going to work. The inconsistency shown yesterday nearly ruined the game.
Ricey's antics yesterday were pathetic and showed that his complete lack of discipline will some day cost his team dearly.
When concentrating on the ball, a super player, when acting the **** a complete asshole, and will be intersting to Hartes opinion on his spat with Galvin. No place for it in our games, and hope it is dealt with in an appropriate manner.
The handbags at the end were unfortuante and as a neutral it seemesd that the Kerry players were happy to walk away, notably Declan O Sullivan who was attacked with a poncey push in the back, again think it was Ricey, altho could be wrong in that.
Also what were some of the Tyrone supportes booing at the end of the game?? I hope to God it was Ricey they were venting their venim at, as overall the better team won, and such actions again only bring shame to their fellow gaels and true supporters, who watched yesterday's game with the blinkers off!!
Quote from: Orior on February 16, 2009, 09:24:02 AM
Quote from: SidelineKick on February 16, 2009, 08:54:11 AM
Quote from: Orior on February 16, 2009, 08:26:58 AM
McMenamin's goolie grabbing was funny. But the bawling in someone's face isnt. It's pure incitment and he should be yellow carded for it.
How is that funny?
Ricey: What do you mean I'm funny?
Orior: It's funny, you know. It's a good story, it's funny, you're a funny guy.
Ricey: what do you mean, you mean the way I talk? What?
Orior: It's just, you know. You're just funny, it's... funny, the way you tell the story and everything.
Ricey: [it becomes quiet] Funny how? What's funny about it?
Sidelinekick: Ricey no, You got it all wrong.
Ricey: Oh, oh, Sidelinekick. He's a big boy, he knows what he said. What did ya say? Funny how?
Orior: Jus...
Ricey: What?
Orior: Just... ya know... you're funny.
Ricey: You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little fucked up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to fuckin' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?
Orior: Just... you know, how you tell the story, what?
Ricey: No, no, I don't know, you said it. How do I know? You said I'm funny. How the f**k am I funny, what the f**k is so funny about me? Tell me, tell me what's funny!
Orior: [long pause] Get the f**k out of here, Ricey!
Ricey: [everyone laughs] Ya motherfucker! I almost had him, I almost had him. Ya stuttering p***k ya. Sidelinekick, was he shaking? I wonder about you sometimes, Orior. You may fold under questioning.
:D brilliant!
Quote from: Orior on February 16, 2009, 09:24:02 AM
Quote from: SidelineKick on February 16, 2009, 08:54:11 AM
Quote from: Orior on February 16, 2009, 08:26:58 AM
McMenamin's goolie grabbing was funny. But the bawling in someone's face isnt. It's pure incitment and he should be yellow carded for it.
How is that funny?
Ricey: What do you mean I'm funny?
Orior: It's funny, you know. It's a good story, it's funny, you're a funny guy.
Ricey: what do you mean, you mean the way I talk? What?
Orior: It's just, you know. You're just funny, it's... funny, the way you tell the story and everything.
Ricey: [it becomes quiet] Funny how? What's funny about it?
Sidelinekick: Ricey no, You got it all wrong.
Ricey: Oh, oh, Sidelinekick. He's a big boy, he knows what he said. What did ya say? Funny how?
Orior: Jus...
Ricey: What?
Orior: Just... ya know... you're funny.
Ricey: You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little fucked up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to fuckin' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?
Orior: Just... you know, how you tell the story, what?
Ricey: No, no, I don't know, you said it. How do I know? You said I'm funny. How the f**k am I funny, what the f**k is so funny about me? Tell me, tell me what's funny!
Orior: [long pause] Get the f**k out of here, Ricey!
Ricey: [everyone laughs] Ya motherfucker! I almost had him, I almost had him. Ya stuttering p***k ya. Sidelinekick, was he shaking? I wonder about you sometimes, Orior. You may fold under questioning.
:D :D :D :D :D
Hats off Orior.
Watching the game on TG4, at the start I was hoping Tyrone would win. As I said after Croke Park, when Tyrone play proper football they are a pleasure to watch. But when they went behind early they reverted to the nonsense and they become impossible to like, so I was happy to see Kerry edge it.
McMenamin: Acted the maggot through the whole game. Deserves a suspension. Hilarious that some tyronies defend him.
I'd be one of the few on this board who would like to see the new rules get a good chance. But during this game I could see some of the doubts expressed by others come to life. I'll pick out Jordan in particular as he is a master at it. He gets fouled then produces a spectacular dive to exaggerate it. The only reason to do this is to get an opponent an early bath. Jordan is superb at this, and therefore often cons the ref into thinking the foul was worse than it actually was. It could be argued the new rules encourage this unsporting behaviour, and no doubt there'll be players on most teams now who try to gain in this way.
Quote from: Hound on February 16, 2009, 09:31:09 AM
Watching the game on TG4, at the start I was hoping Tyrone would win. As I said after Croke Park, when Tyrone play proper football they are a pleasure to watch. But when they went behind early they reverted to the nonsense and they become impossible to like, so I was happy to see Kerry edge it.
McMenamin: Acted the maggot through the whole game. Deserves a suspension. Hilarious that some tyronies defend him.
I'd be one of the few on this board who would like to see the new rules get a good chance. But during this game I could see some of the doubts expressed by others come to life. I'll pick out Jordan in particular as he is a master at it. He gets fouled then produces a spectacular dive to exaggerate it. The only reason to do this is to get an opponent an early bath. Jordan is superb at this, and therefore often cons the ref into thinking the foul was worse than it actually was. It could be argued the new rules encourage this unsporting behaviour, and no doubt there'll be players on most teams now who try to gain in this way.
Although i think referees are trying to cut this out too as in the first round of the league Whelan and Eoin Bradley were both ticked for diving, not sure of any others, but good to see some referees are trying to stamp it out.
QuoteThe handbags at the end were unfortuante and as a neutral it seemesd that the Kerry players were happy to walk away, notably Declan O Sullivan who was attacked with a poncey push in the back, again think it was Ricey, altho could be wrong in that.
Wrong. It was McMenamin who was pushed in the back at the end that kicked it off. When McMenamin went to remonstrate with the culprit (O'Shea?) Jack O'Connor jumped in and pushed the referee.
I'll have no complaints if McMenamin gets a ban for his part in yesterday's proceedings however O'Connor raised his hands to a match official and must receive the appropriate punishment also.
its hard to judge the new rules on yesterdays game as jimmy white was very poor, by the looks of it he is still trying to learn the old rules never mind the new ones
Quote from: under the bar on February 16, 2009, 09:39:17 AM
QuoteThe handbags at the end were unfortuante and as a neutral it seemesd that the Kerry players were happy to walk away, notably Declan O Sullivan who was attacked with a poncey push in the back, again think it was Ricey, altho could be wrong in that.
Wrong. It was McMenamin who was pushed in the back at the end that kicked it off. When McMenamin went to remonstrate with the culprit (O'Shea?) Jack O'Connor jumped in and pushed the referee.
I'll have no complaints if McMenamin gets a ban for his part in yesterday's proceedings however O'Connor raised his hands to a match official and must receive the appropriate punishment also.
I refer to the later incident, which occured after Ricey sportingly shook Marc o Se's hand on the final whistle,
Quote from: under the bar on February 16, 2009, 09:39:17 AM
Wrong. It was McMenamin who was pushed in the back at the end that kicked it off. When McMenamin went to remonstrate with the culprit (O'Shea?) Jack O'Connor jumped in and pushed the referee.
Was this before or after Ricey had O'Se by the throat/face?
Quote from: Yes I Would on February 16, 2009, 09:42:49 AM
Quote from: under the bar on February 16, 2009, 09:39:17 AM
QuoteThe handbags at the end were unfortuante and as a neutral it seemesd that the Kerry players were happy to walk away, notably Declan O Sullivan who was attacked with a poncey push in the back, again think it was Ricey, altho could be wrong in that.
Wrong. It was McMenamin who was pushed in the back at the end that kicked it off. When McMenamin went to remonstrate with the culprit (O'Shea?) Jack O'Connor jumped in and pushed the referee.
I'll have no complaints if McMenamin gets a ban for his part in yesterday's proceedings however O'Connor raised his hands to a match official and must receive the appropriate punishment also.
I refer to the later incident, which occured after Ricey sportingly shook Marc o Se's hand on the final whistle,
Jesus Christ ::) switch the names round.
Quote from: under the bar on February 16, 2009, 09:39:17 AM
QuoteThe handbags at the end were unfortuante and as a neutral it seemesd that the Kerry players were happy to walk away, notably Declan O Sullivan who was attacked with a poncey push in the back, again think it was Ricey, altho could be wrong in that.
Wrong. It was McMenamin who was pushed in the back at the end that kicked it off. When McMenamin went to remonstrate with the culprit (O'Shea?) Jack O'Connor jumped in and pushed the referee.
I'll have no complaints if McMenamin gets a ban for his part in yesterday's proceedings however O'Connor raised his hands to a match official and must receive the appropriate punishment also.
Are you serious?
Quote from: Orior on February 16, 2009, 09:24:02 AM
Quote from: SidelineKick on February 16, 2009, 08:54:11 AM
Quote from: Orior on February 16, 2009, 08:26:58 AM
McMenamin's goolie grabbing was funny. But the bawling in someone's face isnt. It's pure incitment and he should be yellow carded for it.
How is that funny?
Ricey: What do you mean I'm funny?
Orior: It's funny, you know. It's a good story, it's funny, you're a funny guy.
Ricey: what do you mean, you mean the way I talk? What?
Orior: It's just, you know. You're just funny, it's... funny, the way you tell the story and everything.
Ricey: [it becomes quiet] Funny how? What's funny about it?
Sidelinekick: Ricey no, You got it all wrong.
Ricey: Oh, oh, Sidelinekick. He's a big boy, he knows what he said. What did ya say? Funny how?
Orior: Jus...
Ricey: What?
Orior: Just... ya know... you're funny.
Ricey: You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little fucked up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to fuckin' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?
Orior: Just... you know, how you tell the story, what?
Ricey: No, no, I don't know, you said it. How do I know? You said I'm funny. How the f**k am I funny, what the f**k is so funny about me? Tell me, tell me what's funny!
Orior: [long pause] Get the f**k out of here, Ricey!
Ricey: [everyone laughs] Ya motherfucker! I almost had him, I almost had him. Ya stuttering p***k ya. Sidelinekick, was he shaking? I wonder about you sometimes, Orior. You may fold under questioning.
Quality! :D :D :D
Quote from: full back on February 16, 2009, 09:43:46 AM
Was this before or after Ricey had O'Se by the throat/face?
Before. Ricey (who from here on I shall refer to as Hero) was walking away after congratulating O'Se on a fantastic victory. Hero was then attacked from behind by O'Se. Hero then raised his arm in peace and O'Se placed his neck in Heros hand.
QuoteWas this before or after Ricey had O'Se by the throat/face?
O'Se pushed McMenamin in the back which led to the scuffle where McMenamin grabbed him by the throat. Grabbing by the throat on provocation is harldy a rare sight in gaelic football!
There is no other county in Ireland that would go to such lengths to defend the actions of a thug on their team. And you wonder why nobody likes Tyrone. (Before you mention any of your all irelands this feeling was long before your success).
Quote from: SidelineKick on February 16, 2009, 10:04:39 AM
There is no other county in Ireland that would go to such lengths to defend the actions of a thug on their team. And you wonder why nobody likes Tyrone. (Before you mention any of your all irelands this feeling was long before your success).
Who's defending? I'm not and the huge majority of Tyrone supporters on here aren't here.
Quote from: SidelineKick on February 16, 2009, 10:04:39 AM
There is no other county in Ireland that would go to such lengths to defend the actions of a thug on their team. And you wonder why nobody likes Tyrone. (Before you mention any of your all irelands this feeling was long before your success).
So you always disliked Tyrone? I think it is you that has a problem rather than Tyrone if you always disliked Tyrone.
i think its a sign of the times when a member of the kerry backroom team raises his arms aloft to the crowd after beating tyrone in a league game! -
Quote from: SidelineKick on February 16, 2009, 10:04:39 AM
There is no other county in Ireland that would go to such lengths to defend the actions of a thug on their team.
Really?
Meath, Kerry and sadly my own county of Cavan all have previous form in this hall of shame.
Quote from: ziggysego on February 16, 2009, 10:06:26 AM
Quote from: SidelineKick on February 16, 2009, 10:04:39 AM
There is no other county in Ireland that would go to such lengths to defend the actions of a thug on their team. And you wonder why nobody likes Tyrone. (Before you mention any of your all irelands this feeling was long before your success).
Who's defending? I'm not and the huge majority of Tyrone supporters on here aren't here.
Oh by all means this isn't confined to simple Derry folk like myself. I thoroughly enjoyed their AI win last year and ended up cheering for them :-\ but many of you are not gratious winners, and worse losers.
Ziggy the majority of Tyrone fans on here may not be outright defendin his actions but they certainly are doing a great job saying he only did it because....bla bla bla. His actions were atrocious, and I am not getting at you because I know you of all people have a very open mind and would be the first to condemn. Its just unbelievable the amount of support McMenamin is getting on here when it should be 100% codemnation from all sides.
Quote from: SidelineKick on February 16, 2009, 10:04:39 AM
There is no other county in Ireland that would go to such lengths to defend the actions of a thug on their team. And you wonder why nobody likes Tyrone. (Before you mention any of your all irelands this feeling was long before your success).
which is why galvin recieved such an ovation from the kerry support when introduced in last years all ireland final?
QuoteThere is no other county in Ireland that would go to such lengths to defend the actions of a thug on their team.
I'm far from defending him, just stating what happened as opposed to blaming McMenamin for everything bar 9/11. I note you've side-stepped the fact O'Shea spat in McMenamin's face as opposed to the other way around.
And you wonder why nobody likes Tyrone. (Before you mention any of your all irelands this feeling was long before your success).
I wonder which county you are from? ::)
Quote from: under the bar on February 16, 2009, 10:13:49 AM
QuoteThere is no other county in Ireland that would go to such lengths to defend the actions of a thug on their team.
Quote
I'm far from defending him, just stating what happened as opposed to blaming McMenamin for everything bar 9/11. I note you've side-stepped the fact O'Shea spat in McMenamin's face as opposed to the other way around.
And you wonder why nobody likes Tyrone. (Before you mention any of your all irelands this feeling was long before your success).
I wonder which county you are from? ::)
Jesus it could be any one of 31.
Quote from: under the bar on February 16, 2009, 10:02:07 AM
QuoteWas this before or after Ricey had O'Se by the throat/face?
O'Se pushed McMenamin in the back which led to the scuffle where McMenamin grabbed him by the throat. Grabbing by the throat on provocation is harldy a rare sight in gaelic football!
On final whistle scobe mouthing obscentities into O Se's face. No offer of handshake.
Scobe turns away, (my guess was to seek Gooch to continue goading)
O Se pushes Scobe in the back, who retaliates. O Se walks away. O Connor infuriated by what he saw!!
just a few points on Tyrone yday this is just my opinion you can pick at it at your will:
J Curran: two excellent point blank ng saves however i dont like his kickouts. hes sort of half vollying them off the cone i dont no how anyone is suppose to make a clean catch of these, there low and coming with vemon.
M 'Rooney' Swift- Rooney was badly caught for the first goal shouldnt be allowing free catches in that area however thought he battled hard throughtout the game and is very comfortable on the ball
Justin McMahon: does not look like an all star full back. early days yet i no but opening two games ive been very disappointed in him. we see that T Walsh has upped it a level already from last year Justin should be hitting same heights. seemed more comfortable out the field kicking great point.
P Jordan: gave real drive to the team yday esp in second half was a real leader out there NEXT captain in my opinion
A Cassidy: when moved to FF he won every ball until he went in there Tyrone never had a target man the whole game. Shame he had to go off injured
Colm Cavanagh- i dont rate this guy at all, sorry but i just dont get him. hes too clumsy or something and i think it affects Seans game when he is playing. thought whenever Stevie O'Neill was unfit that on form SNOWY was the man to be used anyone else feel this?
C 'skill' McCullagh- yday was just one of those days for him nothing went right, passing in final third was a joke
Quote from: longball on February 16, 2009, 10:18:05 AM
just a few points on Tyrone yday this is just my opinion you can pick at it at your will:
J Curran: two excellent point blank ng saves however i dont like his kickouts. hes sort of half vollying them off the cone i dont no how anyone is suppose to make a clean catch of these, there low and coming with vemon.
M 'Rooney' Swift- Rooney was badly caught for the first goal shouldnt be allowing free catches in that area however thought he battled hard throughtout the game and is very comfortable on the ball
Justin McMahon: does not look like an all star full back. early days yet i no but opening two games ive been very disappointed in him. we see that T Walsh has upped it a level already from last year Justin should be hitting same heights. seemed more comfortable out the field kicking great point.
P Jordan: gave real drive to the team yday esp in second half was a real leader out there NEXT captain in my opinion
A Cassidy: when moved to FF he won every ball until he went in there Tyrone never had a target man the whole game. Shame he had to go off injured
Colm Cavanagh- i dont rate this guy at all, sorry but i just dont get him. hes too clumsy or something and i think it affects Seans game when he is playing. thought whenever Stevie O'Neill was unfit that on form SNOWY was the man to be used anyone else feel this?
C 'skill' McCullagh- yday was just one of those days for him nothing went right, passing in final third was a joke
What about Ricey Longball?
Quote from: Yes I Would on February 16, 2009, 10:19:50 AM
Quote from: longball on February 16, 2009, 10:18:05 AM
just a few points on Tyrone yday this is just my opinion you can pick at it at your will:
J Curran: two excellent point blank ng saves however i dont like his kickouts. hes sort of half vollying them off the cone i dont no how anyone is suppose to make a clean catch of these, there low and coming with vemon.
M 'Rooney' Swift- Rooney was badly caught for the first goal shouldnt be allowing free catches in that area however thought he battled hard throughtout the game and is very comfortable on the ball
Justin McMahon: does not look like an all star full back. early days yet i no but opening two games ive been very disappointed in him. we see that T Walsh has upped it a level already from last year Justin should be hitting same heights. seemed more comfortable out the field kicking great point.
P Jordan: gave real drive to the team yday esp in second half was a real leader out there NEXT captain in my opinion
A Cassidy: when moved to FF he won every ball until he went in there Tyrone never had a target man the whole game. Shame he had to go off injured
Colm Cavanagh- i dont rate this guy at all, sorry but i just dont get him. hes too clumsy or something and i think it affects Seans game when he is playing. thought whenever Stevie O'Neill was unfit that on form SNOWY was the man to be used anyone else feel this?
C 'skill' McCullagh- yday was just one of those days for him nothing went right, passing in final third was a joke
What about Ricey Longball?
Who's Ricey Longball?
Quote from: stalwart on February 16, 2009, 10:07:25 AM
i think its a sign of the times when a member of the kerry backroom team raises his arms aloft to the crowd after beating tyrone in a league game! -
Excellent first post
Some Tyrone posters are honest enough & mentioning the incidents regarding Hero
Some are just acting the ostrich :-\
Ricey done well when put in on cooper thou the supply to gooch had dried up at this stage. sometimes caught ahead of the play which was poor CHB play. his passing was also poor yday
Look lads there;s only one way to prove whether the actions of players and/or managers crossed the line. And that is, whether or not the game was shown on the BBC/UTV news.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on February 16, 2009, 10:12:59 AM
Quote from: SidelineKick on February 16, 2009, 10:04:39 AM
There is no other county in Ireland that would go to such lengths to defend the actions of a thug on their team. And you wonder why nobody likes Tyrone. (Before you mention any of your all irelands this feeling was long before your success).
which is why galvin recieved such an ovation from the kerry support when introduced in last years all ireland final?
I thought the word supporter meant that you actually "supported" your players - yes Ricey stepped out of line yesterday and most Tyrone fans on here have acknowledged that. What really annoys me is that certain people appear to want us to hammer ricey into the ground, say we never want him playing for our county again and excommunicate him from the catholic church while we're at it. Perhaps if that is how some people "support" their own players perhaps they arent really supporters after all! Its all part of the craic defending your players in incidents like that!!
Quote from: thejuice on February 16, 2009, 10:28:17 AM
Look lads there;s only one way to prove whether the actions of players and/or managers crossed the line. And that is, whether or not the game was shown on the BBC/UTV news.
:D
The words "marred" and "scuffle" will no doubt be popular this eveing.
Quote from: thejuice on February 16, 2009, 10:28:17 AM
Look lads there;s only one way to prove whether the actions of players and/or managers crossed the line. And that is, whether or not the game was shown on the BBC/UTV news.
;D ;D ;D
I'm a Derry man working in Tyrone, alongside a serious amount of die hard supporters and there is not one of them defending Ricey , they share the viewpoint that everyone else has ,that whilst being an excellent footballer , his antics/ verbals are at best embarrassing and are completely indefensible
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on February 16, 2009, 10:35:27 AM
I'm a Derry man working in Tyrone, alongside a serious amount of die hard supporters and there is not one of them defending Ricey , they share the viewpoint that everyone else has ,that whilst being an excellent footballer , his antics/ verbals are at best embarrassing and are completely indefensible
His actions were fair and appropriate.
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 16, 2009, 10:30:47 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on February 16, 2009, 10:12:59 AM
Quote from: SidelineKick on February 16, 2009, 10:04:39 AM
There is no other county in Ireland that would go to such lengths to defend the actions of a thug on their team. And you wonder why nobody likes Tyrone. (Before you mention any of your all irelands this feeling was long before your success).
which is why galvin recieved such an ovation from the kerry support when introduced in last years all ireland final?
I thought the word supporter meant that you actually "supported" your players - yes Ricey stepped out of line yesterday and most Tyrone fans on here have acknowledged that. What really annoys me is that certain people appear to want us to hammer ricey into the ground, say we never want him playing for our county again and excommunicate him from the catholic church while we're at it. Perhaps if that is how some people "support" their own players perhaps they arent really supporters after all! Its all part of the craic defending your players in incidents like that!!
Really? I don't see the craic in defending such a player but thats your opinion. He is a fantastic player, great defensive qualities, can take a score, hard as nails. Why does he insist on acting the complete w**ker? He has no call to do it. Most of his incidents are started by something like his man kicking a wide and him goading them, they are not provoked. I would much prefer to see him stick to football, that way I can have no complaint. I will defend my county men as much as anyone else, yet I can also be as critical as anyone else, not if they have a bad game or kick wides, but if their behaviour is borderline thuggery then I would not be as quick to jump to their defence.
Quote from: SidelineKick on February 16, 2009, 10:31:44 AM
Quote from: thejuice on February 16, 2009, 10:28:17 AM
Look lads there;s only one way to prove whether the actions of players and/or managers crossed the line. And that is, whether or not the game was shown on the BBC/UTV news.
:D
The words "marred" and "scuffle" will no doubt be popular this eveing.
Battle Of Omagh Part II no doubt (Part III if they count Clonoe v Dromore)
Quote from: cornafean on February 16, 2009, 10:07:35 AM
Quote from: SidelineKick on February 16, 2009, 10:04:39 AM
There is no other county in Ireland that would go to such lengths to defend the actions of a thug on their team.
Really?
Meath, Kerry and sadly my own county of Cavan all have previous form in this hall of shame.
Here, leave us out of this.
Martin O'Connell never grabbed anyone by the balls.
Tap someone in the balls or stand on their head??? Which is the bigger thuggish act????
Take away the sh1te talking, the goading, sly digs etc etc & you have a good footballer that many counties would like to have, but as far as I can see this behaviour cant be eradicated
Seems to be that opposing supporters can like it or lump it :-\
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 16, 2009, 10:48:32 AM
Tap someone in the balls or stand on their head??? Which is the bigger thuggish act????
Not sure! One is sexual assault, the other is assault. No coincidence that he hardly has a tooth in his head
Quote from: Tim Buzaglo on February 16, 2009, 10:56:00 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 16, 2009, 10:48:32 AM
Tap someone in the balls or stand on their head??? Which is the bigger thuggish act????
Not sure! One is sexual assault, the other is assault. No coincidence that he hardly has a tooth in his head
Are you actually suggesting Ricey sexually assaulted Galvin - Some people have lost the run of themselves!! ::)
Quote from: thejuice on February 16, 2009, 10:28:17 AM
Look lads there;s only one way to prove whether the actions of players and/or managers crossed the line. And that is, whether or not the game was shown on the BBC/UTV news.
Ah, I can just see Watson now. Ireland beating Italy has been dropped from the heading sports news, to be replaced with "Ricey caught Red Handed".
Hope Watson has something to clean himself with, with all the smirking he will be no doubt doing.
What is sexual assault?
Sexual assault and abuse is any type of sexual activity that you do not agree to, including:
Inappropriate touching
Vaginal, anal, or oral penetration
Sexual intercourse that you say no to
Rape
Attempted rape
Child molestation
Sexual assault can be verbal, visual, or anything that forces a person to join in unwanted sexual contact or attention. Examples of this are voyeurism (when someone watches private sexual acts), exhibitionism (when someone exposes him/herself in public), incest (sexual contact between family members), and sexual harassment. It can happen in different situations, by a stranger in an isolated place, on a date, or in the home by someone you know.
Quote from: full back on February 16, 2009, 10:51:32 AM
Take away the sh1te talking, the goading, sly digs etc etc & you have a good footballer that many counties would like to have, but as far as I can see this behaviour cant be eradicated
Seems to be that opposing supporters can like it or lump it :-\
Those who cannot see this issue beyond "supporting your own players" or whataboutery are doing the GAA a grave disservice. For too long now many of our "supporters" have been apeing the soccer followers in their attitudes and antics and it is not pretty. It also leads the equivocation, if not downright dishonesty, that is applied when assessing this type of behaviour.
It has to be said that this man has "form" in this department which has not been very edyfying, but this time it is much more serious. The raised profile of GAA in recent years has brought a massive audience, and in particular a very young audience. Do we want them to condone or excuse their "heroes" when this thuggish abuse is brought on to the playing field? Is our Association merely a vehicle for the tribal "no holds barred" approach to winning or is it, as was envisaged, to be a positive contribution to our community, culture and society?
I am saddened beyond words that any GAA follower can fail to see that someone perpetrating sexual assault in public on a sports field should be asked to keep his dirt at home. Is this what we have become?
I still havent seen any Television footage of yesterday, so I cant attack or defend anyone, Yesterday I seen a manager aggressively push the referee in the chest so I could comment on that but Im not going to - to be honest my reaction at the time was - will these guys ever learn?
All you anti - northern guys rest assured if an Armagh, Derry or even Tyrone, or other northern player player did do something that we didnt approve of we would be the first to hold our hands up and say "thats not the way it should be" . Nobody has defended anyone, here. Obviously some alleged incident has happened here and I would be very disappointed if a midriff or lower punch was delivered on Galvin, thats not the place for it.
Quote from: Leo on February 16, 2009, 11:20:59 AM
Quote from: full back on February 16, 2009, 10:51:32 AM
Take away the sh1te talking, the goading, sly digs etc etc & you have a good footballer that many counties would like to have, but as far as I can see this behaviour cant be eradicated
Seems to be that opposing supporters can like it or lump it :-\
Those who cannot see this issue beyond "supporting your own players" or whataboutery are doing the GAA a grave disservice. For too long now many of our "supporters" have been apeing the soccer followers in their attitudes and antics and it is not pretty. It also leads the equivocation, if not downright dishonesty, that is applied when assessing this type of behaviour.
It has to be said that this man has "form" in this department which has not been very edyfying, but this time it is much more serious. The raised profile of GAA in recent years has brought a massive audience, and in particular a very young audience. Do we want them to condone or excuse their "heroes" when this thuggish abuse is brought on to the playing field? Is our Association merely a vehicle for the tribal "no holds barred" approach to winning or is it, as was envisaged, to be a positive contribution to our community, culture and society?
I am saddened beyond words that any GAA follower can fail to see that someone perpetrating sexual assault in public on a sports field should be asked to keep his dirt at home. Is this what we have become?
FFS talk about your nanny state.
Put a little bit of reality to it. It was harmless and a bit of jostling, nothing more.
If you are saddned beyond words then you have emotional problems.
Quote from: rrhf on February 16, 2009, 11:29:33 AM
Yesterday I seen a manager aggressively push the referee in the chest so I could comment on that but Im not going to
You just did ???
You also mentioned past grievances with Kerry in an earlier post
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/190608/
seems that ricey was not the first to grab a feel when he had the chance, the kerry lads are not above the same sort of stuff
Quoteam saddened beyond words that any GAA follower can fail to see that someone perpetrating sexual assault in public on a sports field should be asked to keep his dirt at home. Is this what we have become?
So you think sexual assault is ok as long as its kept at home??
There is an element of society in this country that has gone mad!! Its an insult to anyone who has ever experienced a real sexual assault to label what happened yesterday in that bracket!
The type of hyperbole and exaggeration traded in these boards are by far the worst i have ever seen - it saddens me beyond words! :-\
Might be an idea at this stage to confine the topic to the match itself, its gone totally off the point now.
The GAA has been, is and always will be a tribal organisation and unfortunately it can spill over. Didnt the great Kerry and dublin teams bate the livin delights out of each other in a very wicked friendly during their rivalry. It seems every year after Tyrone beome AI champions some teams come to Omagh to try and measure themselves against the ai champions - understandable but reality, both teams made mistakes were aggressive and may have stepped out of line. I have no time for any badness, but I dont think we should have a heirarchy of victimhood here, and i would certainly fear more frustration on the pitches the longer these new rules are retained so I think to be positive out of an unfortunate situation that must be the starting point. On a final note fair play to Kerry on a good win and 2 league points.
I thought the new rules would have been the perfect way to deal with this, yellow card for ricey for the galvin incident (although galvin didnt exactly cover himself in glory and rightly go the black book for it)
Ricey probably would have deserved a yellow for the incident with gooch aswell.(think i remember mcmahon gettin a yellow in the old rules for something similar in the all ireland final.)
That would have been the thing dealt with.
All this chat of six month suspensions & 'worse i have ever seen' and sexual assualt charges is pure nonsense.
Fair play to O'se for his reactionat the end, pity his manager and o'sullivan wern't as restrained.
By the way, thought there was decent match for other 70 mins, not many seemed to have noticed that amongst the ricey bashing
Sexual assault? Ah boys wise up all ricey did was touch him on the balls hardly a big deal, I bet Galvin feels more of a dick than ricey did for falling down as if a sniper shot him. Kerry shouldn't have fallen into Tyrone's trap and got involved especially Jacko as they were by far the better team yesterday but still think Tyrone will handle them when Dooher, SON and Brian are back and Gormley gets fitter. Leo it mustnt take much to sadden you.
Quote from: rrhf on February 16, 2009, 11:54:29 AM
The GAA has been, is and always will be a tribal organisation and unfortunately it can spill over. Didnt the great Kerry and dublin teams bate the livin delights out of each other in a very wicked friendly during their rivalry. It seems every year after Tyrone beome AI champions some teams come to Omagh to try and measure themselves against the ai champions - understandable but reality, both teams made mistakes were aggressive and may have stepped out of line. I have no time for any badness, but I dont think we should have a heirarchy of victimhood here, and i would certainly fear more frustration on the pitches the longer these new rules are retained so I think to be positive out of an unfortunate situation that must be the starting point. On a final note fair play to Kerry on a good win and 2 league points.
Sorry they didn't resort to that yesterday (Dublin and Kerry). I won't have you comparing yesterday with those players. At this stage confine yourself to the game itself because you're only digging a bigger hole for yourself.
Quote from: tyronefan on February 16, 2009, 11:48:39 AM
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/190608/
seems that ricey was not the first to grab a feel when he had the chance, the kerry lads are not above the same sort of stuff
Congratulations, that picture is compelling evidence that the Kerry boys feel balls too ::)
How could the incident not be construed as sexual assault? If you were playing some ladies team in a friendly and patted one of them on the fanny, there would be some uproar. Same if the incident took place in the workplace, whether it be a pat on the fanny or a pat on the balls, you just cant do it.
Quote
And you wonder why nobody likes Tyrone. (Before you mention any of your all irelands this feeling was long before your success).
I wonder which county you are from?
Jesus it could be any one of 31.
Possibly, but a wild guess would say either Derry or Armagh.
This talk of 'sexual assault' trvialises it for people who actually suffered from 'sexual assault'
Ryan wants his toys back
I've got a 2 year old boy called B...Ryan & he's got lots of Toys
He likes to play with his toys, especially with his favourite toy called Fireman Sam.
He's quite a good little boy most of the time but he drools a lot when he gets cross.
Yesterday his cousins from the other side of the country came up for a rare visit
He sees them every few years at a big party but they don't get on the best.
BBB...Ryan plays around with his cousin Kerry and lets her kick his ball the odd time
Sometimes though Kerry brings her Gucch doll and this annoys poor B..Ryan.
He sometimes tries to poke its eyes out but it's a tough wee nut.
Yesterday Kerry ran over and tried to take B...Ryans Fireman Sam & boy was he not impressed.
He started drooling & slobbering big time and even pushed poor Kerry onto the wet grass. Kerry's only 13 months so she fell down like a sack of spuds and I think she hurt her touche. She threw a tantrum last year with me as I tried to pretend to give her a parking ticket but she threw it to the floor. Still Kerry's a game wee thing so she got up and played away with herself for a while.
Later on, just before it was time for Kerry and her folks to go home, Kerry sneaked in from behind and reached for Fireman Sam, trying to steal him for herself and bring him home.
Well BBB...Ryan just lost the head completely. He starting roaring and crying in her face and then pushed her again.
They her dad butts in and says that's our Sam anyway as ye stole it aff us last year down in Dublin.
I was shocked to hear this but the wife looked over at me & rolled her eyes to Heaven.
She winked and said
"For God sake its only a Toy and sure if it means that much to her then let her have it"
"Sure it's only February and we can get him another wan for his birthday in Sept again"
We'll I wasn't wile impressed like but I just bit my tongue and grabbed BBB...ryan
Thankfully it all ended amicably with those yellow bellies heading off waving goodbye with their hands in the air
I can't wait to see them again later in the year or else we'll have to go down to bloody Killarney next year.
Quote from: under the bar on February 16, 2009, 12:32:19 PM
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And you wonder why nobody likes Tyrone. (Before you mention any of your all irelands this feeling was long before your success).
I wonder which county you are from?
Jesus it could be any one of 31.
Possibly, but a wild guess would say either Derry or Armagh.
dont be leaving out our brethren in NY or London
A very entertaining game of football yesterday. Kerry were well up for the game and their hunger showed from the off. Tyrone allowed them a lot space around the middle. I thought Moran caused a lot of problems for us as Cassidy didn't seem to be able to match his athleticism and was also being out caught.
The Kerry half back line was very impressive early on, especially Bohane who continuously ran at Tyrone. This space allowed Kerry time to hit the perfect pass into their full forward line. With Walsh's aerial ability and the speed in the corners made Tyrone look poor. Any ball going into Tyrone forward line was poor (with Sean chasing a few over the sideline). McCullagh was the only one getting on end of a few passes but his distribution was letting him down apart from one fine score.
This all changed when Gormley was introduced. It allowed Justy to go out to the middle and with Colm Cavanagh coming out deeper meant that Tyrone crowded the middle more and meant Kerry had less time and space around the middle.
The major plus point that I Mickey would have learnt is that Cassidy may make a good target man in the forward line. When he was moved their late in the first half he win every ball sent his way. This also allowed Sean to have more of an influence on the game around the middle. The full forward line just couldn't on the ball until this. I though ricey was having a very good game, his driving runs from defence were pushing Tyrone on. When he touched Galvin I thought he was stupid and was glad the ref missed it, there was no sense in it. He kept Cooper quiet when moved to the corner and still drove forward. McGinley was very impressive the second half (Hughes my suit him better a midfield partner). Also Jordan like Bohane in the first half ran at the Kerry which created free scoring chances and setup other scores. McCullagh was very good at getting on the ball and took some nice scores, not bad when being marked by Marc O'Shea but his distribution let him down a bit. No need to worry here though, as with better fitness and firmer ground this will approve for all of the Tyrone team.
I'm not sure on the new rules, it near impossible to legally stop a man running with ball who has space in front of him. Which results in the defender allowing the attacker to pass him and only attempting to tackle him when he runs in to more contact around the D. Yesterday this resulted in free most of the time for the attacker. The ref is also more likely to black book a defender. There were a few occasions when the defender was ticked for pulling at the forward the opposite was not the case.
The game was very good value and was heartened with the Tyrone fight back. Was bleak enough up to half time
They can be wee skitters at that age fuzzman lol
Quote from: tyronefan on February 16, 2009, 11:48:39 AM
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/190608/
seems that ricey was not the first to grab a feel when he had the chance, the kerry lads are not above the same sort of stuff
Nah, it looks like he's trying to tickle him, lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DUGvKAtpow
Quote from: Zapatista on February 16, 2009, 10:36:30 AM
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on February 16, 2009, 10:35:27 AM
I'm a Derry man working in Tyrone, alongside a serious amount of die hard supporters and there is not one of them defending Ricey , they share the viewpoint that everyone else has ,that whilst being an excellent footballer , his antics/ verbals are at best embarrassing and are completely indefensible
His actions were fair and appropriate.
Even in Tyrone you will be in the minority with that view,
Looks like Harte is of the same opinion as most supporters...
QuoteBBC Website...
Ryan McMenamin clashed with Kerry's Marc O Se after the final whistle and the Kingdom manager Jack O'Connor attempted to remonstrate with the Tyrone defender.
TV pictures had earlier caught McMenamin appearing to flick at Paul Galvin's groin area during the game.
Harte played down the controversial incidents although he agreed that they "could have been done without".
"I don't think it was outrageous. It was just not useful stuff," added the Tyrone manager.
JoC said more or less the same.
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 16, 2009, 12:43:20 PM
Ryan wants his toys back
I've got a 2 year old boy called B...Ryan & he's got lots of Toys
He likes to play with his toys, especially with his favourite toy called Fireman Sam.
He's quite a good little boy most of the time but he drools a lot when he gets cross.
Yesterday his cousins from the other side of the country came up for a rare visit
He sees them every few years at a big party but they don't get on the best.
BBB...Ryan plays around with his cousin Kerry and lets her kick his ball the odd time
Sometimes though Kerry brings her Gucch doll and this annoys poor B..Ryan.
He sometimes tries to poke its eyes out but it's a tough wee nut.
Yesterday Kerry ran over and tried to take B...Ryans Fireman Sam & boy was he not impressed.
He started drooling & slobbering big time and even pushed poor Kerry onto the wet grass. Kerry's only 13 months so she fell down like a sack of spuds and I think she hurt her touche. She threw a tantrum last year with me as I tried to pretend to give her a parking ticket but she threw it to the floor. Still Kerry's a game wee thing so she got up and played away with herself for a while.
Later on, just before it was time for Kerry and her folks to go home, Kerry sneaked in from behind and reached for Fireman Sam, trying to steal him for herself and bring him home.
Well BBB...Ryan just lost the head completely. He starting roaring and crying in her face and then pushed her again.
They her dad butts in and says that's our Sam anyway as ye stole it aff us last year down in Dublin.
I was shocked to hear this but the wife looked over at me & rolled her eyes to Heaven.
She winked and said
"For God sake its only a Toy and sure if it means that much to her then let her have it"
"Sure it's only February and we can get him another wan for his birthday in Sept again"
We'll I wasn't wile impressed like but I just bit my tongue and grabbed BBB...ryan
Thankfully it all ended amicably with those yellow bellies heading off waving goodbye with their hands in the air
I can't wait to see them again later in the year or else we'll have to go down to bloody Killarney next year.
good stuff fuzz
you tube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HJQFEqKkrw&feature=related)
How long will it be before Ricey does a Hopoate?
And it was more than a pat on the balls there was definitely a squeezing motion.
I believe flicking someone in the nuts is considered foreplay in some parts of Tyrone
Quote from: ludermor on February 16, 2009, 03:46:41 PM
How long will it be before Ricey does a Hopoate?
And it was more than a pat on the balls there was definitely a squeezing motion.
Yes, by Galvins legs.
Whilst not quite as embarassing as Aidan O'Mahoney's dying swan routine Galvin will nonetheless take a red neck when he sees the replays.
Nevertheless McMenamin shouldn't have done it but its barely a yellow card offence never mind a ban!
Quote from: Zapatista on February 16, 2009, 03:50:16 PM
Quote from: ludermor on February 16, 2009, 03:46:41 PM
How long will it be before Ricey does a Hopoate?
And it was more than a pat on the balls there was definitely a squeezing motion.
Yes, by Galvins legs.
He must have a fair length of a shaft on him!
Quote from: under the bar on February 16, 2009, 04:19:20 PM
Whilst not quite as embarassing as Aidan O'Mahoney's dying swan routine Galvin will nonetheless take a red neck when he sees the replays.
Nevertheless McMenamin shouldn't have done it but its barely a yellow card offence never mind a ban!
Will yous call a spade a spade for once and stop looking for excuses.
Disgusting act by McMenamin. 1 month ban would not be out of order. :-\
QuoteDisgusting act by McMenamin. 1 month ban would not be out of order.
Catch a grip ffs. Out of order but not a ban abd iut happens in all contact sports at some point or another. What's worse, a wee squeeze like that or a full force punch in the nuts while pretending to go for the ball?
Quote from: EC Unique on February 16, 2009, 04:34:17 PM
Disgusting act by McMenamin. 1 month ban would not be out of order. :-\
There is an honest post.
Quote from: under the bar on February 16, 2009, 04:40:07 PM
QuoteDisgusting act by McMenamin. 1 month ban would not be out of order.
Catch a grip ffs. Out of order but not a ban abd iut happens in all contact sports at some point or another. What's worse, a wee squeeze like that or a full force punch in the nuts while pretending to go for the ball?
It's obvious which is worse, what's your point?
any chance of a bit of a discussion about this actual game?
Quote from: under the bar on February 16, 2009, 04:40:07 PM
QuoteDisgusting act by McMenamin. 1 month ban would not be out of order.
Catch a grip ffs. Out of order but not a ban abd iut happens in all contact sports at some point or another. What's worse, a wee squeeze like that or a full force punch in the nuts while pretending to go for the ball?
Both are as bad as eachother and any deliberate attempt to touch somebody/ANYBODY between their legs is Sexual assault... a minumum 3 months!
QuoteCatch a grip ffs. Out of order but not a ban abd iut happens in all contact sports at some point or another. What's worse, a wee squeeze like that or a full force punch in the nuts while pretending to go for the ball?
It's obvious which is worse, what's your point?
You've answered your own question. So which county are you from?
Quote from: longball on February 16, 2009, 05:00:45 PM
any chance of a bit of a discussion about this actual game?
Good call.
It's important to remember how well Tyrone did to bring the game back to within a kick of the ball. In saying that Kerry had another couple of missed goal chances (albeit 2 good saves). Kerry look very dangerous and they'll certainly let us know where we stand in terms of how well we are doing this year. Not all doom and gloom for Tyrone, and of course its only the league!
all the way back on page 35 of this thread i think i made some valid points regarding the MATCH. feel free to discuss. and last thing il say on ricey he at least could of bought him dinner first 8)
Quote from: under the bar on February 16, 2009, 05:03:30 PM
QuoteCatch a grip ffs. Out of order but not a ban abd iut happens in all contact sports at some point or another. What's worse, a wee squeeze like that or a full force punch in the nuts while pretending to go for the ball?
It's obvious which is worse, what's your point?
You've answered your own question. So which county are you from?
I have answered your question. My question is what's your point? I genuinely don't know what point you are trying to make.
Derry.
Could those of you who really want to continue this discussion please start a new thread so that people like me who want to read views on the actual football don't have to wade through pages of this?
Obviously from a Tyrone point of view the second half was much better, but Kerry gave some display for a match in February. Great to see so many up from Kerry as well.
Colm McCullagh squaring up to Tommy Walsh provided some humour in the first half - such a difference in size, the lad's a tank!
Quote from: Rois on February 16, 2009, 05:12:36 PM
Could those of you who really want to continue this discussion please start a new thread so that people like me who want to read views on the actual football don't have to wade through pages of this?
Obviously from a Tyrone point of view the second half was much better, but Kerry gave some display for a match in February. Great to see so many up from Kerry as well.
Colm McCullagh squaring up to Tommy Walsh provided some humour in the first half - such a difference in size, the lad's a tank!
Any chance of a reasonable guess?? Not too often they would travel so far, fair play to those who did!
Calm down. It's Tyrone v Kerry. All discussion should go on in here. Othwersie create a thread for attendance, facilites, weather at the match, stewards, parking........
IS this TOmmy Walsh?
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Quote from: corn02 on February 16, 2009, 05:15:09 PM
Calm down. It's Tyrone v Kerry. All discussion should go on in here. Othwersie create a thread for attendance, facilites, weather at the match, stewards, parking........
What are ye on about son?
Quote from: EC Unique on February 16, 2009, 04:34:17 PM
Disgusting act by McMenamin. 1 month ban would not be out of order. :-\
I agree with this, i'm getting a bit fed up with riceys antics, I think he's a great footballer And heard he's a good lad to boot, but it does make me feel uncomfortable watching these incidents on a quite regular basis! In line with paddy campbells ban I think four weeks would not be too bad
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 16, 2009, 05:28:27 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on February 16, 2009, 04:34:17 PM
Disgusting act by McMenamin. 1 month ban would not be out of order. :-\
I agree with this, i'm getting a bit fed up with riceys antics, I think he's a great footballer And heard he's a good lad to boot, but it does make me feel uncomfortable watching these incidents on a quite regular basis! In line with paddy campbells ban I think four weeks would not be too bad
Fair play to you. At least you have the balls to call it like it is regardless of who the player in question is... unlike a good few other Tyronies on here.
Quote from: screenexile on February 16, 2009, 05:01:09 PM
Quote from: under the bar on February 16, 2009, 04:40:07 PM
QuoteDisgusting act by McMenamin. 1 month ban would not be out of order.
Catch a grip ffs. Out of order but not a ban abd iut happens in all contact sports at some point or another. What's worse, a wee squeeze like that or a full force punch in the nuts while pretending to go for the ball?
Both are as bad as eachother and any deliberate attempt to touch somebody/ANYBODY between their legs is Sexual assault... a minumum 3 months!
Surely if someone was guilty of sexual assault screenexile, you would expect a greater punishment than a 3 month ban from playing a sport! Why dont you report Ricey to the police, say you have witnessed a sexual assault and see how far you get! I reckon it would be laughed out of the station - you know why? - because its NOT sexual assasult and people should be careful of the terminology they use! Some people on here are worse than the English press by their hounding and victimisation of people! Remember when Vinnie Jones grabbed Gazza'a balls, or that goalie grabbed Yakubu's a few weeks ago - even the english press didnt over react like some of the idiots on this board!
Quote from: Orior on February 16, 2009, 05:17:02 PM
Quote from: corn02 on February 16, 2009, 05:15:09 PM
Calm down. It's Tyrone v Kerry. All discussion should go on in here. Othwersie create a thread for attendance, facilites, weather at the match, stewards, parking........
What are ye on about son?
People saying start a thread for the Ricey talk, this thread should incorporate all discussion from the match.
its been some wend , wrecked today but it was worth it, we had a brillent night in croke park on sat=congrats to both south kerry teams ye were both brillent.omagh yesterday was also excellent as i predicted on this tread kerry got the win and it was well derserved. we wont get carried away but im very hopefull that this will be a year to remember for kerry football, its been brillent so far anyway,ciarrai abu. ;D ;D ;D
I think the talk of sexual assault is a bit far but Ricey was way out of line, not just the Galvin inceident but most of the match...
Was it not Paddy Campbell who was vilified for a similar ballbag inceident with Enda Muldoon?? Whats the difference between this and that??
Oh yes hes from Tyrone and they do no wrong.
Quote from: corn02 on February 16, 2009, 05:34:44 PM
Quote from: Orior on February 16, 2009, 05:17:02 PM
Quote from: corn02 on February 16, 2009, 05:15:09 PM
Calm down. It's Tyrone v Kerry. All discussion should go on in here. Othwersie create a thread for attendance, facilites, weather at the match, stewards, parking........
What are ye on about son?
People saying start a thread for the Ricey talk, this thread should incorporate all discussion from the match.
No, it has turned into a discussion on what defines a criminal act and a Tyrone-bashing litany against anyone who hasn't called for the immediate beheading of Ryan McMenamin. I'm just bored with it and would prefer to read opinions on the other 74.5 minutes of the football match.
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on February 16, 2009, 05:57:11 PM
I think the talk of sexual assault is a bit far but Ricey was way out of line, not just the Galvin inceident but most of the match...
Was it not Paddy Campbell who was vilified for a similar ballbag inceident with Enda Muldoon?? Whats the difference between this and that??
Oh yes hes from Tyrone and they do no wrong.
I can categorically say without a shadow of doubt that i would never have accused Paddy Campbell of sexual assault! I totally agree, Ricey was way out of line but so are some of the comments on here!
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 16, 2009, 06:05:28 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on February 16, 2009, 05:57:11 PM
I think the talk of sexual assault is a bit far but Ricey was way out of line, not just the Galvin inceident but most of the match...
Was it not Paddy Campbell who was vilified for a similar ballbag inceident with Enda Muldoon?? Whats the difference between this and that??
Oh yes hes from Tyrone and they do no wrong.
I can categorically say without a shadow of doubt that i would never have accused Paddy Campbell of sexual assault! I totally agree, Ricey was way out of line but so are some of the comments on here!
Very valid points there. I left the board for a couple of hours this morning and when I came back there was talk of sexual assault, absolutely ridiculous!!
Quote from: Rois on February 16, 2009, 06:00:03 PM
Quote from: corn02 on February 16, 2009, 05:34:44 PM
Quote from: Orior on February 16, 2009, 05:17:02 PM
Quote from: corn02 on February 16, 2009, 05:15:09 PM
Calm down. It's Tyrone v Kerry. All discussion should go on in here. Othwersie create a thread for attendance, facilites, weather at the match, stewards, parking........
What are ye on about son?
People saying start a thread for the Ricey talk, this thread should incorporate all discussion from the match.
No, it has turned into a discussion on what defines a criminal act andTyrone-bashing litany against anyone who hasn't called for the immediate beheading of Ryan McMenamin. I'm just bored with it and would prefer to read opinions on the other 74.5 minutes of the football match.
Of course it goes both ways. There is the element who will not accept any Tyrone crticsm in the slightest and have trouble comprehending that he is in the wrong.
If you're bored, don't read the thread. I know that sounds rude but it is inevitable that people are going to talk about incidents, but whether you see it as Tyrone-bashing litany or discussion of incidents arising from the game is your choice.
Wait till i tell you something Benny this guy Mc Menamin is a complete thug and has been involved in many incidents over the years. So all comments are justified especially when he carries out acts like he did yesterday. You could just see with about 6 or 7 mins left in the match he was throwing in late tackles trying to provoke an argument with anyone who would bite. He was ripping that Cooper took Tyrone to the cleaners and resorted back to the only tactic that he has "Dirt" So all comments are justified on this guy. If this was anyone else then i would think differently but he is renowned for it. If i were his team mate i would tell him to catch himself on running around all the time lucking to start rows when the chips are down and getting the rest of the lads involved. Mickey Harte should tell him to calm down or else he won't be playing.
Listen folks - times are rapidly changing - alot of what may have been acceptable in the past isnt the case anymore. Now while it would still be a stretch to imagine one intercounty player taking another intercounty player for sexual assault for what we saw this weekend - the reality is that there wouldnt be a plethora of solid ground for McMenamin to answer in a case where he was accused of that.
The bottom line is that the unwelcome touching of another persons genitals are a serious no go area for anyone, in any situation in any walk of life. This includes contact sports. Doesnt matter what you mean by it or aim to acheive by it - technically it is what it is.
Quote from: Puckoon on February 16, 2009, 06:18:44 PM
Listen folks - times are rapidly changing - alot of what may have been acceptable in the past isnt the case anymore. Now while it would still be a stretch to imagine one intercounty player taking another intercounty player for sexual assault for what we saw this weekend - the reality is that there wouldnt be a plethora of solid ground for McMenamin to answer in a case where he was accused of that.
The bottom line is that the unwelcome touching of another persons genitals are a serious no go area for anyone, in any situation in any walk of life. This includes contact sports. Doesnt matter what you mean by it or aim to acheive by it - technically it is what it is.
Puck you always seem to talk a good bit of sense. I enjoy your posts.
I am not coming on to you nor do I wish to touch your genitals.
Quote from: SidelineKick on February 16, 2009, 06:21:51 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on February 16, 2009, 06:18:44 PM
Listen folks - times are rapidly changing - alot of what may have been acceptable in the past isnt the case anymore. Now while it would still be a stretch to imagine one intercounty player taking another intercounty player for sexual assault for what we saw this weekend - the reality is that there wouldnt be a plethora of solid ground for McMenamin to answer in a case where he was accused of that.
The bottom line is that the unwelcome touching of another persons genitals are a serious no go area for anyone, in any situation in any walk of life. This includes contact sports. Doesnt matter what you mean by it or aim to acheive by it - technically it is what it is.
Puck you always seem to talk a good bit of sense. I enjoy your posts.
I am not coming on to you nor do I wish to touch your genitals.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqXi8WmQ_WM
Quote from: Puckoon on February 16, 2009, 06:18:44 PM
Listen folks - times are rapidly changing - alot of what may have been acceptable in the past isnt the case anymore. Now while it would still be a stretch to imagine one intercounty player taking another intercounty player for sexual assault for what we saw this weekend - the reality is that there wouldnt be a plethora of solid ground for McMenamin to answer in a case where he was accused of that.
The bottom line is that the unwelcome touching of another persons genitals are a serious no go area for anyone, in any situation in any walk of life. This includes contact sports. Doesnt matter what you mean by it or aim to acheive by it - technically it is what it is.
That may be the bottom line but it is so far removed from the truth as to what happened it has no place on this thread.
Quote from: Zapatista on February 16, 2009, 06:29:44 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on February 16, 2009, 06:18:44 PM
Listen folks - times are rapidly changing - alot of what may have been acceptable in the past isnt the case anymore. Now while it would still be a stretch to imagine one intercounty player taking another intercounty player for sexual assault for what we saw this weekend - the reality is that there wouldnt be a plethora of solid ground for McMenamin to answer in a case where he was accused of that.
The bottom line is that the unwelcome touching of another persons genitals are a serious no go area for anyone, in any situation in any walk of life. This includes contact sports. Doesnt matter what you mean by it or aim to acheive by it - technically it is what it is.
That may be the bottom line but it is so far removed from the truth as to what happened it has no place on this thread.
Well if it is "the bottom line" surely it has a place on the thread.
It is, however, nothing taking in the context of the situation and I find sexual assualt talk about the incident both overreactive and unnerving.
Quote from: Zapatista on February 16, 2009, 06:29:44 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on February 16, 2009, 06:18:44 PM
Listen folks - times are rapidly changing - alot of what may have been acceptable in the past isnt the case anymore. Now while it would still be a stretch to imagine one intercounty player taking another intercounty player for sexual assault for what we saw this weekend - the reality is that there wouldnt be a plethora of solid ground for McMenamin to answer in a case where he was accused of that.
The bottom line is that the unwelcome touching of another persons genitals are a serious no go area for anyone, in any situation in any walk of life. This includes contact sports. Doesnt matter what you mean by it or aim to acheive by it - technically it is what it is.
That may be the bottom line but it is so far removed from the truth as to what happened it has no place on this thread.
How? McMeniman touched Galvins genitals. Galvin didn't ask him to do this.
Quote from: SidelineKick on February 16, 2009, 06:31:37 PM
Quote from: Zapatista on February 16, 2009, 06:29:44 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on February 16, 2009, 06:18:44 PM
Listen folks - times are rapidly changing - alot of what may have been acceptable in the past isnt the case anymore. Now while it would still be a stretch to imagine one intercounty player taking another intercounty player for sexual assault for what we saw this weekend - the reality is that there wouldnt be a plethora of solid ground for McMenamin to answer in a case where he was accused of that.
The bottom line is that the unwelcome touching of another persons genitals are a serious no go area for anyone, in any situation in any walk of life. This includes contact sports. Doesnt matter what you mean by it or aim to acheive by it - technically it is what it is.
That may be the bottom line but it is so far removed from the truth as to what happened it has no place on this thread.
How? McMeniman touched Galvins genitals. Galvin didn't ask him to do this.
Get a life will ye!!! using such a weak technacallity to justify what you are trying to say is disgusting.
is a touch that bad?
Let me make my position clear - I don't think it was sexual assault.
You however agree "thats the bottom line" but also is "so far removed from the truth as to what happened"
They are the same thing. Touching someone in that area is "the bottom line". McMenamin did just that to Galvin. Please explain.
Zap - Im not accusing anyone of anything, nor suggesting anything that happened didnt happen. Therefore Im not removing anything from the truth.
I am merely suggesting that we live in a crazy world these days, where nothing is surprising anymore really. These things happened years ago, now however cameras and reporters are everywhere, and the unwritten rules of what goes on on the field stays on the field is no longer. You only have to look at the slant taken on Joe McMahons screaming in Walsh's face last year by the media. Everythinig is scruitinized to the highest degree. Thats just how it is.
What is the bottom line is that ricey does himself, nor his team mates and manager any favours by his insistance on swan diving over the line at times.
A potential suspension arising from a situation like this at the very least places Tyrone on the back foot - as we cannot do without a player of his calibre.
Quote from: leenie on February 16, 2009, 06:38:06 PM
is a touch that bad?
You touch away.
It takes very little to set the fellas off, even a slight brush against them can begin the stomach curdling process.
Quote from: SidelineKick on February 16, 2009, 06:39:07 PM
Let me make my position clear - I don't think it was sexual assault.
You however agree "thats the bottom line" but also is "so far removed from the truth as to what happened"
They are the same thing. Touching someone in that area is "the bottom line". McMenamin did just that to Galvin. Please explain.
Are you seriously still pedaling this shit. Don't edit my quotes anymore to support you bullshit.
Puck, I always thought you were a Down man for some reason.
Quote from: Zapatista on February 16, 2009, 06:45:11 PM
Quote from: SidelineKick on February 16, 2009, 06:39:07 PM
Let me make my position clear - I don't think it was sexual assault.
You however agree "thats the bottom line" but also is "so far removed from the truth as to what happened"
They are the same thing. Touching someone in that area is "the bottom line". McMenamin did just that to Galvin. Please explain.
Are you seriously still pedaling this shit. Don't edit my quotes anymore to support you bullshit.
OK so you acknowledge you were talking shit, defending the undefendable and want to quit while you're behind? Suits me.
I haven't edited anything, its all there my friend, read it til your hearts content. Either way he's a thug.
Quote from: Puckoon on February 16, 2009, 06:39:56 PM
Zap - Im not accusing anyone of anything, nor suggesting anything that happened didnt happen. Therefore Im not removing anything from the truth.
I am merely suggesting that we live in a crazy world these days, where nothing is surprising anymore really. These things happened years ago, now however cameras and reporters are everywhere, and the unwritten rules of what goes on on the field stays on the field is no longer. You only have to look at the slant taken on Joe McMahons screaming in Walsh's face last year by the media. Everythinig is scruitinized to the highest degree. Thats just how it is.
What is the bottom line is that ricey does himself, nor his team mates and manager any favours by his insistance on swan diving over the line at times.
A potential suspension arising from a situation like this at the very least places Tyrone on the back foot - as we cannot do without a player of his calibre.
I understand that Puckoon I just wanted to add some perspective. The talk of sidelinekick is abuse of your post and opertunism at it's worst.
Quote from: Zapatista on February 16, 2009, 06:47:47 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on February 16, 2009, 06:39:56 PM
Zap - Im not accusing anyone of anything, nor suggesting anything that happened didnt happen. Therefore Im not removing anything from the truth.
I am merely suggesting that we live in a crazy world these days, where nothing is surprising anymore really. These things happened years ago, now however cameras and reporters are everywhere, and the unwritten rules of what goes on on the field stays on the field is no longer. You only have to look at the slant taken on Joe McMahons screaming in Walsh's face last year by the media. Everythinig is scruitinized to the highest degree. Thats just how it is.
What is the bottom line is that ricey does himself, nor his team mates and manager any favours by his insistance on swan diving over the line at times.
A potential suspension arising from a situation like this at the very least places Tyrone on the back foot - as we cannot do without a player of his calibre.
I understand that Puckoon I just wanted to add some perspective. The talk of sidelinekick is abuse of your post and opertunism at it's worst.
Quote from: SidelineKick on February 16, 2009, 06:39:07 PM
Let me make my position clear - I don't think it was sexual assault.
You however agree "thats the bottom line" but also is "so far removed from the truth as to what happened"
They are the same thing. Touching someone in that area is "the bottom line". McMenamin did just that to Galvin. Please explain.
Quote from: corn02 on February 16, 2009, 06:46:37 PM
Puck, I always thought you were a Down man for some reason.
Wish I had something smart to say about that. But I find it incredibly depressing. ;D
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7892430.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7892430.stm)
Stevie O'Neill is gone for a number of games - something Tyrone and he could really do without.
Stephen O'Neill could miss a number of Allianz National League matches as a result of the knee injury which ruled him out of Sunday's defeat by Kerry.
Tyrone manager Mickey Harte told BBC Sport that O'Neill is likely to be out of football for "four or five weeks".
Harte said that the injury is in the "knee area" although there have been reports that O'Neill has suffered a hairline fracture of a kneecap.
Tyrone will face Galway, Westmeath, Donegal and Derry during March.
The Red Hands' next game will be against the Tribesmen on Saturday 7 March and Harte accepts that O'Neill is unlikely to be unavailable for that contest.
Over the following three weeks, Tyrone face Westmeath (15 March), Donegal (21 March) and Derry (28 March) before their final Division 1 round-robin game against Mayo on 12 April.
"He did some damage to the knee in the Dublin game and it may have been a case that the full extent of the injury wasn't really appreciated after that game," said Harte.
O'Neill starred in the win over Dublin at Croke Park and he was named in the side for Sunday's game against Kerry, before crying off because of the injury.
Harte's squad appear to have emerged unscathed from Sunday's defeat by the Kingdom - despite some unruly exchanges at Healy Park. I'm very happy with the way the players responded in the second half
Mickey Harte
Ryan McMenamin clashed with Kerry's Marc O Se after the final whistle and the Kingdom manager Jack O'Connor attempted to remonstrate with the Tyrone defender.
TV pictures had earlier caught McMenamin appearing to flick at Paul Galvin's groin area during the game.
Harte played down the controversial incidents although he agreed that they "could have been done without".
"I don't think it was outrageous. It was just not useful stuff," added the Tyrone manager.
The Tyrone boss was pleased that his side made a game of it in the first half after going in 11 points in arrears at the break.
"Kerry were awesome in the first half and only for Johnny Curran's few wonderful saves, we could have been out of the game by a long shot.
"I'm very happy with the way the players responded in the second half. We needed something special and we got it."
Quote from: corn02 on February 16, 2009, 06:46:37 PM
Puck, I always thought you were a Down man for some reason.
I thought he was a dub until reading the tyrone thread last week
For god sake it was a relatively minor incident. Becasue it was a Tyrone player and McMenamin in particular some people have blown in out of all proportion. It was uncalled for but at the end of the day didn't cause any physical harm. Some of the terms used about McMenamin on here are ridiculous. He's not a drug dealer/rapist/murderer etc. He's a lad who gets a carried away from time to time on the pitch and deserves appropriate punishment in terms of suspensions from the gaa.
Getting back to the game I think Tyrone have to look closely at what went wrong in the 1st half yesterday. In simple terms they were useless, lacked passion and couldn't even do the basics right. Maybe the team and supporters have got a bit carried away in recent weeks and this was part of the problem. Hopefully they'll learn from this that you have to be 100% committed for every game especially against Kerry or you will get blown apart. When you're the All Ireland champions there are no easy games as everyone will lift themselves to play against you.
When Tyrone started to play in the 2nd half they played well although breaking ball in midfield was still a big problem and we badly missed O'Neill up front. Yesterday again showed if you give Kerry time on the ball and space they will destroy you. However if you put pressure on them all over the pitch they are far from unbeatable. Walsh will be a real handfull this year. He's extremely strong although at time's yesterday I thought the ref allowed him to get away with fouling Justy/Gormley.
I also think this site has got out of hand i dont condone what mcmeniman done it was wrong it was not sexual assault i would like to see it dealt with in the harshist possible way and let mickey harte and the county board set an example and tell him this behaviour is not acceptable full stop. MR MCMENIMAN DOES NOT REPRESENT ME THANK GOD. Tyrone abu.
Quote from: aroundincircles on February 16, 2009, 07:07:07 PM
I also think this site has got out of hand i dont condone what mcmeniman done it was wrong it was not sexual assault i would like to see it dealt with in the harshist possible way and let mickey harte and the county board set an example and tell him this behaviour is not acceptable full stop. MR MCMENIMAN DOES NOT REPRESENT ME THANK GOD. Tyrone abu.
How appropriate you post here as this thread is in the process of going around in circles and has been all day!!!
Quote from: aroundincircles on February 16, 2009, 07:07:07 PM
I also think this site has got out of hand i dont condone what mcmeniman done it was wrong it was not sexual assault i would like to see it dealt with in the harshist possible way and let mickey harte and the county board set an example and tell him this behaviour is not acceptable full stop. MR MCMENIMAN DOES NOT REPRESENT ME THANK GOD. Tyrone abu.
He's a footballer not a politician for god sake.
No amount of anyone saying "it wasn't sexual assault" will mean it wasn't a sexaul assault.
If you touch anyone's genitals when they don't want you to it's sexual assault I'm afraid.
I dont understand why he'd even want to touch galvin's balls.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 16, 2009, 07:42:07 PM
No amount of anyone saying "it wasn't sexual assault" will mean it wasn't a sexaul assault.
If you touch anyone's genitals when they don't want you to it's sexual assault I'm afraid.
I dont understand why he'd even want to touch galvin's balls.
Come off POG, there is winding and then there is taking it too far.
Quote from: corn02 on February 16, 2009, 07:56:47 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 16, 2009, 07:42:07 PM
No amount of anyone saying "it wasn't sexual assault" will mean it wasn't a sexaul assault.
If you touch anyone's genitals when they don't want you to it's sexual assault I'm afraid.
I dont understand why he'd even want to touch galvin's balls.
Come off POG, there is winding and then there is taking it too far.
So what you are saying is that you DO understand why he would want to touch Galvins balls??
Hmmm, interesting.
I'm not winding corn.
Touching anyone's genitals when they dont want you to is sexual assault. Now obviously Galvin won't make a complaint along those lines and the GAA won't consider it in those terms but it is a sexual assault.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 16, 2009, 07:42:07 PM
No amount of anyone saying "it wasn't sexual assault" will mean it wasn't a sexaul assault.
If you touch anyone's genitals when they don't want you to it's sexual assault I'm afraid.
I dont understand why he'd even want to touch galvin's balls.
Ok let's get a solicitor at every match so he/she is available to get a case ready for any man that gets a slap and do the agressor for GBH! Wise up, it was totally unjustified what happened but lay of this sexual assult rubbish it has no use in this context!
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Ok let's get a solicitor at every match so he/she is available to get a case ready for any man that gets a slap and do the agressor for GBH! Wise up, it was totally unjustified what happened but lay of this sexual assult rubbish it has no use in this context!
Who's talking about solicitors? What are you on about?
I'm sorry if the talk of a sexual assault makes you uncomfortable, I wasnt the first to mention it, I wouldnt have thought of mentioning it but I'm surprised at how many people don't know what a sexual assault is. If you patted a man on the balls and he went to the police it's a sexual assault you'd be charged with.
i actually thought he tapped Galvin in his lower stomach ;D
Gees it's not like this behaviour has never been seen in a match before!
Yes that doesn't excuse it but all part of winding up games a lot of boys play.
Ricey ain't on his own at this caper.
I implore you omagh gael to be careful. Pog is one of the toughest posters on this board.
After all:
From pintsofguinness:
what a hateful little c**t.
If he "patted" my balls he'd be looking for his teeth, I'm no fan of Galvin but it's a pity he didnt deck the little c**t.
Tough as nails.
I can't believe this is still running. Any "clown" can tell what's right or wrong on the field of play. A lot of things that happen in a game are wrong but they barely need mentioning such is their insignificance. Obviously both managers didn't feel that there was too much wrong yesterday or we would have heard about it. I re-iterate that anything that McMenamin got involved in yesterday was merely niggly. A handful of "clowns" from Tyrone on this site have allowed another handful of righteous brothers from other counties to involve them in a witchhunt against their own player. Fools. At most Mickey Harte should take ricey to one side and tell him to watch himself. He certainly shouldn't be publicly condemned-a reaction worthy of a potentially career ending tackle, humiliating a referee or taking a grudge from a game past a final whistle.
Did ever train a youth team mickeys beard??
Quote from: aroundincircles on February 16, 2009, 08:48:15 PM
Did ever train a youth team mickeys beard??
I hope not if he thinks McMenamin's behaviour is acceptable.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 16, 2009, 08:09:32 PM
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Ok let's get a solicitor at every match so he/she is available to get a case ready for any man that gets a slap and do the agressor for GBH! Wise up, it was totally unjustified what happened but lay of this sexual assult rubbish it has no use in this context!
Who's talking about solicitors? What are you on about?
I'm sorry if the talk of a sexual assault makes you uncomfortable, I wasnt the first to mention it, I wouldnt have thought of mentioning it but I'm surprised at how many people don't know what a sexual assault is. If you patted a man on the balls and he went to the police it's a sexual assault you'd be charged with.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 16, 2009, 08:09:32 PM
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I'm simply making the case that if this sexual assult nonsense continues then every incident that occurs on the football field should be subject to same labeling i.e. physical abuse, foul and abusive language! I realise that taking it in a fully PC situation it may be seen as a sexual assult but surely we have to step back and realise it's context, and as o neill says what makes his actions and you're threat of violence any different? Surely the man on the street would be just as entitled to report your threats to the police?
Whether McMenamin's behaviour is acceptable, I'll let you work that out for yourself. I think it's pretty clear.
Is it serious enough to warrant a forty page witch-hunt? No
Does it even need to be mentioned by anyone other than Mickey Harte to Mcmenamin? No
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I'm simply making the case that if this sexual assult nonsense continues then every incident that occurs on the football field should be subject to same labeling i.e. physical abuse, foul and abusive language! I realise that taking it in a fully PC situation it may be seen as a sexual assult but surely we have to step back and realise it's context, and as o neill says what makes his actions and you're threat of violence any different? Surely the man on the street would be just as entitled to report your threats to the police?
Because you don't want to call it sexual assault doesnt mean that's not what it is.
I didnt make any threat of violence, I said what I'd do if McMenamin (or any other man) went anywhere near my balls.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 16, 2009, 09:02:28 PM
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I'm simply making the case that if this sexual assult nonsense continues then every incident that occurs on the football field should be subject to same labeling i.e. physical abuse, foul and abusive language! I realise that taking it in a fully PC situation it may be seen as a sexual assult but surely we have to step back and realise it's context, and as o neill says what makes his actions and you're threat of violence any different? Surely the man on the street would be just as entitled to report your threats to the police?
Because you don't want to call it sexual assault doesnt mean that's not what it is.
I didnt make any threat of violence, I said what I'd do if McMenamin (or any other man) went anywhere near my balls.
hope your doctor is a woman pog in case you ever have a problem down there ;D
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Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 16, 2009, 09:02:28 PM
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I'm simply making the case that if this sexual assult nonsense continues then every incident that occurs on the football field should be subject to same labeling i.e. physical abuse, foul and abusive language! I realise that taking it in a fully PC situation it may be seen as a sexual assult but surely we have to step back and realise it's context, and as o neill says what makes his actions and you're threat of violence any different? Surely the man on the street would be just as entitled to report your threats to the police?
Because you don't want to call it sexual assault doesnt mean that's not what it is.
I didnt make any threat of violence, I said what I'd do if McMenamin (or any other man) went anywhere near my balls.
hope your doctor is a woman pog in case you ever have a problem down there ;D
Doctor wouldnt be touching me either!
Mickeys Beard did you ever manage a youth team??
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 16, 2009, 08:09:32 PM
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Ok let's get a solicitor at every match so he/she is available to get a case ready for any man that gets a slap and do the agressor for GBH! Wise up, it was totally unjustified what happened but lay of this sexual assult rubbish it has no use in this context!
Who's talking about solicitors? What are you on about?
I'm sorry if the talk of a sexual assault makes you uncomfortable, I wasnt the first to mention it, I wouldnt have thought of mentioning it but I'm surprised at how many people don't know what a sexual assault is. If you patted a man on the balls and he went to the police it's a sexual assault you'd be charged with.
Sexual assault hinges on intention of the touching. IIRC its an objective test- would a reasonable man in the given circumstances think the touching was "sexual" in nature? I'm a reasonable man and I don't think it was. It's clearly unacceptable though and he should receive a ban for it.
OK, I've finally saw the Ballgate incident on YouTube, not seeing it first hand... so to speak.
Ricey shouldn't have done it. Wasn't bad, wasn't good and yes, it needs to be stamped out of Ricey's game. He's a better player without all that nonsense.
However it is not nearly as bad as I was suspecting with all the ranting and raving that has been going on in here today. Lads... it's football... it happens. Let the GAA HQ take the appropriate action against Ricey and I hope Tyrone GAA don't try and find a loop hole around it.
This talk of sexual assault and personal damnation needs to stop.
well said ziggy
Hardly surprising that its the usual Armagh & Derry suspects are the ones bleating about wanting McMenamin banned/arrested/hung out to dry etc. Hardly a mention from the Kerry posters or even the usual anti-northern press.
Get over it lads or your insane jealously will consume you.
Quote from: Rav67 on February 16, 2009, 09:10:21 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 16, 2009, 08:09:32 PM
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Ok let's get a solicitor at every match so he/she is available to get a case ready for any man that gets a slap and do the agressor for GBH! Wise up, it was totally unjustified what happened but lay of this sexual assult rubbish it has no use in this context!
Who's talking about solicitors? What are you on about?
I'm sorry if the talk of a sexual assault makes you uncomfortable, I wasnt the first to mention it, I wouldnt have thought of mentioning it but I'm surprised at how many people don't know what a sexual assault is. If you patted a man on the balls and he went to the police it's a sexual assault you'd be charged with.
Sexual assault hinges on intention of the touching. IIRC its an objective test- would a reasonable man in the given circumstances think the touching was "sexual" in nature? I'm a reasonable man and I don't think it was. It's clearly unacceptable though and he should receive a ban for it.
Fair point, wouldnt like to be the one relying on that though after I touched someone up.
Quote from: under the bar on February 16, 2009, 09:16:47 PM
Hardly surprising that its the usual Armagh & Derry suspects are the ones bleating about wanting McMenamin banned/arrested/hung out to dry etc. Hardly a mention from the Kerry posters or even the usual anti-northern press.
Get over it lads or your insane jealously will consume you.
Too right, not even MS has anything to say about it and we all know how much he loves the sound of his own er.... keyboard. ;)
Quote from: under the bar on February 16, 2009, 09:16:47 PM
Hardly surprising that its the usual Armagh & Derry suspects are the ones bleating about wanting McMenamin banned/arrested/hung out to dry etc. Hardly a mention from the Kerry posters or even the usual anti-northern press.
Get over it lads or your insane jealously will consume you.
Don't think anyone wants him to be arrested. ???
Quote from: Rav67 on February 16, 2009, 09:31:30 PM
Quote from: under the bar on February 16, 2009, 09:16:47 PM
Hardly surprising that its the usual Armagh & Derry suspects are the ones bleating about wanting McMenamin banned/arrested/hung out to dry etc. Hardly a mention from the Kerry posters or even the usual anti-northern press.
Get over it lads or your insane jealously will consume you.
Don't think anyone wants him to be arrested. ???
Can't be bothered going back through the posts Rav67, but someone did.
It's amazing the difference a tv camera makes. Ricey pats a ball whilst at the Armagh match you have a player who have been sent off coming back on to punch opposition players, and McMenamin's the devil, not buried in Kilarney.
From the Armagh/Laois thread: I have heard from a source who was at the match that one of the Armagh fellas who was sent off came back on to the pitch and punched Donie Brennan, he then in his black tracksuit jumped over a fence and sat on a gate as if nothing happened.
As for the game again, I think McCullagh is getting harsh reviews. I'd guess the majority of scores had his hand in it.
Quote from: ziggysego on February 16, 2009, 09:11:57 PM
OK, I've finally saw the Ballgate incident on YouTube, not seeing it first hand... so to speak.
Ricey shouldn't have done it. Wasn't bad, wasn't good and yes, it needs to be stamped out of Ricey's game. He's a better player without all that nonsense.
However it is not nearly as bad as I was suspecting with all the ranting and raving that has been going on in here today. Lads... it's football... it happens. Let the GAA HQ take the appropriate action against Ricey and I hope Tyrone GAA don't try and find a loop hole around it.
This talk of sexual assault and personal damnation needs to stop.
I still think his bawling in players faces and constant haranguing during and after the game is worse. He is a decent player and shouldnt resort to such. Not a great role model.
And Jordan is nearly as bad.
Quote from: Orior on February 16, 2009, 09:45:35 PM
And Jordan is nearly as bad.
Leave her out of it. Peter Andre must be a nightmare to live with.
Quote from: aroundincircles on February 16, 2009, 08:48:15 PM
Did ever train a youth team mickeys beard??
This think of the children thing is taking it a bit far! If your so concerned explain to the young lads what is acceptable and whats not.
Quote from: Orior on February 16, 2009, 09:45:35 PM
And Jordan is nearly as bad.
(http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/funny-pictures-sibling-cat-squishes-his-brother.jpg)
Talk about a storm in a scrotum.
Quote from: under the bar on February 16, 2009, 09:16:47 PM
Hardly surprising that its the usual Armagh & Derry suspects are the ones bleating about wanting McMenamin banned/arrested/hung out to dry etc. Hardly a mention from the Kerry posters or even the usual anti-northern press.
Get over it lads or your insane jealously will consume you.
The fact that there is only about three or four Kerry posters on the board wouldn;t come into the equation?
Quote from: Mickeys beard on February 16, 2009, 09:01:10 PM
Does it even need to be mentioned by anyone other than Mickey Harte to Mcmenamin? No
Dead right, how dare people discuss it on a discussion forum.
Didn't know Galvin had balls...
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y164/award100/025.jpg)
indeed it is a touching matter and a sensitive area and i am sure it was not a nice feeling.... but come on talk of sexual assault wtf!
are ya that surprised... imo tis being blown out of proportion, i'm not condoning it but i have seen a lot worse things done!
probably the most action galvin has had in a while!
had had?
Quote from: ziggysego on February 16, 2009, 10:16:49 PM
had had?
jeepers zig ... your getting as bad as maggie with the oul corrections!
i think it is an absolute disgrace and has been going on for too long... Tyrone does have a slyness about them and they do know how to wiggle out of these things. There must be something about healy park that makes them behave so badly.
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Tyrone Vs Kerry from Healy Park in Omagh in Round 2 of the 2009 National Football League.
Game was ripped from TG4's live web feed and Irish commentary replaced with English commentary from Radio Kerry's Ger O'Connor and Weeshie Fogarty.
The commentary is a little biased towards the Kingdom but I think that can be put aside just to hear Weeshie's colourful analysis.
Quote from: ONeill on February 16, 2009, 09:43:45 PM
As for the game again, I think McCullagh is getting harsh reviews. I'd guess the majority of scores had his hand in it.
Always been of the opinion that he is the best man on the feel when things are going well, but if things are tight he goes a bit missing, Down in Healy Park being a good example.
My opinion is being proved wrong, but I will still reserve judgement on that aspect. Cracking point-taker.
I thought 5 of the 6 defenders were chasing shadows in the first 35. Ricey was the one defender I thought was up for it. McMahon's yellow card was harsh. Gooch kicked out at him when he was on the turf and he then pushed him down as far as I could see. Maybe I'm being biased but I also thought a few of the Kerry yellows were slightly dubious as well. I have to concur with fellow posters about McCullough's performance. I thought it was poor. Distribution usually excellent was shocking, extravagant over the shoulder hand passes not coming off and missing a 21 yard free ain't acceptable. I remember watching Stevie O missing something similar in a league match away to Cork a few years back and I choked on my pint. Guinness going down the wrong way, wasn't a pretty sight....
Just watched very brief highlights on the RTE website there. First goal was very poor, who was that marking Cooper? Also had we not discovered over 3 years ago that a man in front of that Kerry FF line is needed?
For the 2nd goal, it looked like it should've been a free out, but a full-back can't be relying on the ref to give him that decision, he has to be smarter. Maybe Justy misses the experience of Gormley in beside him?
Anyways will post on the rest when the game downloads for me.
Colm Keys article in todays indo (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/caught-on--camera-1641958.html)
And more of the same from Sean Moran in the times ....
I think the've all been reading the board yesterday ....
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2009/0217/1224241280317.html (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2009/0217/1224241280317.html)
Quote from: ziggysego on February 16, 2009, 09:11:57 PM
OK, I've finally saw the Ballgate incident on YouTube, not seeing it first hand... so to speak.
Ricey shouldn't have done it. Wasn't bad, wasn't good and yes, it needs to be stamped out of Ricey's game. He's a better player without all that nonsense.
However it is not nearly as bad as I was suspecting with all the ranting and raving that has been going on in here today. Lads... it's football... it happens. Let the GAA HQ take the appropriate action against Ricey and I hope Tyrone GAA don't try and find a loop hole around it.
This talk of sexual assault and personal damnation needs to stop.
Surprised the youtube footage wasn't too "fuzzy" to comment...
Quote from: gerry on February 17, 2009, 10:15:29 AM
Colm Keys article in todays indo (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/caught-on--camera-1641958.html)
Wasn't aware Tom Kenny got a month for a similar action with his hurl to Cha's nethers last year, I'd expect Ricey to get the same for his actions once your man comes back from his holidays. We need to change the punishment for lads "going to ground", black is not a severe enough deterrent. I would also agree that it was a bit of gob that came out while Ricey was mouthing & wasn't spit directed at Marc O'Sé. Speaking of mouthing, whatever Declan O'Sullivan said to Ricey obviously cut to the bone :D
Game itself looked a good one from the highlights, although they concentrated mostly on the Kerry scores, would have been interesting to see more Tyrone scores and the impact the new Kerry lads made overall...
The southern medias willingness to paint both Kerry & Dublin as blameless on all occasions is summed up in this statement by Keys
QuoteMcMenamin's role in the after-match scuffling was also quite prominent. As the final whistle blew, he tangled with Marc O
Se, who gave him the faintest push in the back
Notably no mention of Jack O'Connor pushing the ref either. Now if it had been Mickey Harte....
Quote from: under the bar on February 17, 2009, 11:22:02 AM
The southern medias willingness to paint both Kerry & Dublin as blameless on all occasions is summed up in this statement by Keys
QuoteMcMenamin's role in the after-match scuffling was also quite prominent. As the final whistle blew, he tangled with Marc O
Se, who gave him the faintest push in the back
Notably no mention of Jack O'Connor pushing the ref either. Now if it had been Mickey Harte....
I noticed that, aswell as claiming ricey threw a punch wen he didn't
Noticed that myself. He didnt throw a punch, and O'Sé's push was neither weaker not stronger than the norm. He give him an right push in the back, was no need to say "faintest".
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I noticed that, aswell as claiming ricey threw a punch wen he didn't
Punch/slap he did it twice! - One to the front of the head & one to the back of the head as he walked away!
Just watched the game there again - what did Mc Cullagh say to Jack O'Connor to so enrage him ?
"Maybe youll retire in the morning Jack, now that you've finally beat us".
just told him you win no medals in February ;D
"Here - are you related to that malcontent Mike Sheehey off the GAABOARD"?
Peter Canavan got away with pushing the linesman, twice.
It's funny the tyronies are talking about pushing the ref (it wasnt even a push anyway).
Ach now Pints... we really didn't begrudge ye the Ulster in '05, sure we caught
ye later in the long grass for the big one ;D in hind sight it was no harm... knowing how much
an Ulster championship meant to Armagh ;)
Excuse my ignorance here, but did something happen in Omagh last Sunday that I missed? I was sitting in the stand for the whole of the Tyrone v Kerry match and saw nothing out of the ordinary....well, certainly nothing to warrant such mass hysteria from so-called followers of gaelic games. The world has gone crazy alright when a little flick from Ryan McMenamin and a bit of pushing and shoving among players and mentors at the final whistle makes front page news and huge outcrys on GAA Discussion Boards. I know Tyrone v Kerry was a high profile game last weekend but, for crying out loud, that does not mean we should turn every little minor incident from that match into a national scandal.
We often complain when our good friends at BBC and UTV go over the top with their coverage of every little melee that takes place at an inter-county match. Yet, members of this Board get all hysterical over one or two wee incidents last Sunday that would barely raise an eyebrow at a club match. People here should think of some of the rows and incidents that have taken place at club and some county games down through the years, and then compare it to what went on at Healy Park. For feck sake, there wasn't a serious foul stroke or so much as a punch thrown at Omagh on Sunday. No one got hurt or was in any serious danger. So, I suggest that people here stop getting all hot and bothered over stupid little things and get back to discussing football.
Jeez, we were shite in the first half but got our act together rightly in the second. Here's hoping Conor Gormley gets back to full fitness very soon.....we need him back to tighten up the oul defence a bit.
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Just got done watching a download of that game with Radio Kerry's English commentary. Weeshie (where do they get the names for these lads down there) Fogarty and some other fella. Now in fairness they were good enough and much better craic than any TV commentators, you would have to laugh at the level of bias, but I suppose it is called Radio Kerry.
Anyway after lambasting the referee incessantly for not yellow carding more Tyronemen (i.e. almost every tackle was meritorious of a yellow), the lads then got worried when the ref called Galvin aside after the ballgate incident and having obviously no clue whatever about what happened, Weehsie pronounced the black book, 'good sensible refereeing'. Who are we to argue with a man of his knowledge? I would hate to listen to that lad in a game he was loosing by 10 points!
On to the game, J O'C seems to have made some good moves already. M O'Se was brilliant at CHB, you always had the notion that he was wasted in the FB line. Big question for him is where to play Donaghy when he comes back. The two big men up front together didn't look great in the '08 final and surely Darran O'Sullivan can now make a case to cement a long-over due starting place? Tyrone looked amateur in the full-back line, both goals were a joke. Walsh will trouble any marker, but he can't be left one-on-one when he lands with the ball, he's too strong, another man needs to be covering the full-back, which might work OK because at this stage Walsh doesn't seem to be able to offload the ball as skilfully as Donaghy. (not that he needs to sometimes, but if he could finish a goal chance he might have unlimited potential)
Tyrone tightened up quite well for the first 20 minutes of the 2nd half, but Harte's 1st half goal chance would have wanted to go in to leave Tyrone with any chance of a comeback, they never got a sniff of a goal in the 2nd half. Some posters were saying Kerry were tiring and another few minutes might have led to a different result, I wouldn't agree with that at all there was 5 in it at the end of 70 mins and Tyrone were happy enough to shoot a couple of points to take the bad look of the score board. Bad days for all in MF and HF lines (expect McGinley), obviously FB line will need to looked at itself.
Big test to come in the Galway game, another team with forwards that can do damage, so hopefully we can lift it for that game.
Well the question still needs to be asked as to why McMenamin chose to grab Galvin by the nuts, it was a strange action that begs a lot of questions..........it could have interesting consequences for him.
Its quite ironic that the arch trash talker has just given every county player and club player he comes up against the perfect windup material to whisper in his ear at appropriate times. Lets see how well our monobrowed friend is able to take it. Its almost karmic really.
hang on...just off the press. His actions can be explained..apparently there was a wasp flying around that he was trying to grope.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on February 18, 2009, 07:26:22 PM
Well the question still needs to be asked as to why McMenamin chose to grab Galvin by the nuts, it was a strange action that begs a lot of questions..........it could have interesting consequences for him.
Its quite ironic that the arch trash talker has just given every county player and club player he comes up against the perfect windup material to whisper in his ear at appropriate times. Lets see how well our monobrowed friend is able to take it. Its almost karmic really.
Yea, I'd say he's really nervous about that alright.
There's 47 pages on this thread, which is some amount of talk for a league game in February. I have to laugh at the posts here saying that McMenamin needs to learn from this, or change his ways etc etc. There's a couple of certainties in life, one of them being that the sun always rises in the morning. The other is that McMenamin will never change his ways on a football pitch. He is what he is. We've seen his antics since 2002. It doesn't make him a better footballer, just an annoying wee bollix who, given half a chance, will get under the skin of opposing players. Some players get ruffled by it, others are able to ignore him. It's up to referees to deal with the Ryan McMenamin's of this world (i.e. the tubes who start the trouble) but they never seem to. It's usually the ones on the receiving end who retaliate and get booked or sent off. If McMenamin plays to 40 he'll still be at this.
QuoteYea, I'd say he's really nervous about that alright
He should be. There's no place for that kind of molestation in the game.
Good to see ye allowed back with us Mikey...5 days doesn't be long going in :)
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on February 18, 2009, 07:26:22 PM
Well the question still needs to be asked as to why McMenamin chose to grab Galvin by the nuts, it was a strange action that begs a lot of questions..........it could have interesting consequences for him.
Its quite ironic that the arch trash talker has just given every county player and club player he comes up against the perfect windup material to whisper in his ear at appropriate times. Lets see how well our monobrowed friend is able to take it. Its almost karmic really.
Goodluck with that.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on February 19, 2009, 01:36:23 AM
QuoteYea, I'd say he's really nervous about that alright
He should be. There's no place for that kind of molestation in the game.
is that like a Playstation?
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Quote from: Mike Sheehy on February 19, 2009, 01:36:23 AM
QuoteYea, I'd say he's really nervous about that alright
He should be. There's no place for that kind of molestation in the game.
is that like a Playstation?
It is hard to play on a field full of mole stations. The ball hops everywhere. I never heard that term before I always though it was 'mole hill' as in ' making a mountain out of a mole hill'.
I think the reaction here is ridiculous. Its a classic case of someone nasty being outnastyed. Looks like the Kerrymen just cannot take their bating on the nasty stakes. I just hope there was no long term damage caused. Some people put themselves up to be the moral guardians of football . Well stop the trash terrace talk and maybe that might filter down to the field. I still blame Spillane for starting this talking trash lark, and he gets paid for it,, the players have to do the trash talk for free, on cold wintry nights, and all for a lock of butties after the game.
Actually I wonder could the GPA step in and stop these intercounty players talking to each other...
Like snakes there are no moles in Ireland.
All well and good Mike - but no need for the attack on MH.
You are behaving like the very people you castigate.
i stand corrected
Quote from: Redhandfan on February 18, 2009, 12:42:54 AM
Excuse my ignorance here, but did something happen in Omagh last Sunday that I missed? I was sitting in the stand for the whole of the Tyrone v Kerry match and saw nothing out of the ordinary....well, certainly nothing to warrant such mass hysteria from so-called followers of gaelic games. The world has gone crazy alright when a little flick from Ryan McMenamin and a bit of pushing and shoving among players and mentors at the final whistle makes front page news and huge outcrys on GAA Discussion Boards. I know Tyrone v Kerry was a high profile game last weekend but, for crying out loud, that does not mean we should turn every little minor incident from that match into a national scandal.
We often complain when our good friends at BBC and UTV go over the top with their coverage of every little melee that takes place at an inter-county match. Yet, members of this Board get all hysterical over one or two wee incidents last Sunday that would barely raise an eyebrow at a club match. People here should think of some of the rows and incidents that have taken place at club and some county games down through the years, and then compare it to what went on at Healy Park. For feck sake, there wasn't a serious foul stroke or so much as a punch thrown at Omagh on Sunday. No one got hurt or was in any serious danger. So, I suggest that people here stop getting all hot and bothered over stupid little things and get back to discussing football.
At last, a football fan and not a gossip merchant. Couldn't agree more, you would think to hear some of the posters on this board that there was nothing on in Omagh on Sunday other than a bit of a schemozzle involving McMenamin, hardly a word on the game itself or even the Goochs contribution. Maybe they are watching BBC NI too much, then again at least BBC NI go to the odd game which is more than can be said for a lot of the current posters ::)
The Derry & Armagh wans sure have the toys out of the pram over this one. But then again they've been out more or less constantly since '03 and with every Tyrone win the screams get louder at every miniscule indiscretion.
I must say I've watched with increasing disbelief all week at how this defeat for Tyrone is being turned into some sort of moral victory, even Joe Brolly's at it into today's substandard edition of the Gaelic Life. One in the motivation bank etc.. Kerry leaving the field looking a beaten team... such nonsense. I know who my money'll be on when hardies come to hardies - that is if Tyrone make it far enough to play Kerry, of course.
Quote from: bennydorano on February 20, 2009, 04:36:58 PM
I must say I've watched with increasing disbelief all week at how this defeat for Tyrone is being turned into some sort of moral victory, even Joe Brolly's at it into today's substandard edition of the Gaelic Life. One in the motivation bank etc.. Kerry leaving the field looking a beaten team... such nonsense. I know who my money'll be on when hardies come to hardies - that is if Tyrone make it far enough to play Kerry, of course.
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Did you win on Tyrone last year as well ?
Quote from: bennydorano on February 20, 2009, 04:36:58 PM
I must say I've watched with increasing disbelief all week at how this defeat for Tyrone is being turned into some sort of moral victory, even Joe Brolly's at it into today's substandard edition of the Gaelic Life. One in the motivation bank etc.. Kerry leaving the field looking a beaten team... such nonsense. I know who my money'll be on when hardies come to hardies - that is if Tyrone make it far enough to play Kerry, of course.
Agreed with every word Brolly said. Kerry lost their discipline when Tyrone turned the screw. There was something reassuring about that second half performance.
I respect your opinion but couldn't disagree more. I have a healthy respect for Tyrone and a strong dislike of Kerry but I think a worm turned on Sunday and it wasn't in Tyrone's favour. Turned Screw is a euphamism for what now? If the new rules are adapted for the championship Kerry will walk it.
agree whole heartedly with benny. On sunday tyrone were beat fair and square by a better team and probably shouldve got beat by more only for curran making 2/3 great point blank saves. the only reason we got near kerry (and by near, I dont mean within 3points) is because kerry stopped kicking the ball in and started to do it all themselves which happens when a team is hammering teh other. tyrone had no answer to walsh and im not looking forward to seeing how we will cope with both walsh and donaghy in there.Im no totally writing us off but didnt like what i saw on sunday.
as for the row,a load of nonsense, handbags stuff, started by ricey who we wall know byt this stage to be a tr**p on the field just cos he couldnt take his beating.
I think second half Tyrone very much had the better of Kerry and they learned from the first half.
You would have to question what Kerry might have learnt from that game. They can bombard teams with an aerial threat yes. Cooper is when not watched right deadly. Nothing new there. They hardly even scored the second half. What they should learn is that Sheehan is not the answer in these games and Darren O'Sullivan has much more to offer.
Tyrone should learn more from it. However the form of their FB must be a worry. Again they look a wee bit light in corner back. MF must have been a worry too especially in the first half when they were cleaned. They should have the players to address most of these though and the system to cover up deficiencies at corner back.
yea theres no doubting that probably tyrone have more to improve on and add in the fact that stevie O has to be added in would give grounds for optimism. My only worry is that we simply dont have the players to deal with kerry when they click, like the 1st half on sunday. yes we dragged ourselves back in but in my opinion that was more to do with kerry taking the foot off, stopping the gameplan and then losing momentum they couldnt regain when tyrone came back.
Also last year justy had a great year and eservably won his allstar but this year things seem to e a little harder for him 9 or maybe im just expecting too much) and I would find it hard to see him marking either donaghy or walsh aswell this year. suppose you can over nalysis things sometimes and get bogged down in detail but thats just what was in my head when i left on sunday
Being honest about it Walsh, Donaghy and Cooper will do damage of anybody when they get the right ball in. Gormley will hold his man and somehow get away with it so he can curb them a bit but they can still get away.Last sunday the out the field players were afforded the time and space to get the ball in. Gormley going in there helped plus coincided with moves out the field which stifled a lot of ball.
The biggest worry for Tyrone I'd have thought would be Justin McMahon's form. He looks very very sluggish at FB. He was very good out the field though. I also thought Enda McGinley wasn't doing too much ball winning on Sunday.
You can say what you like about PTG etc etc but the one man I don't think Tyrone could ever have won an AI without is Brian Dooher and Kerry would not have won the amount of ball they won in the first half with him about.
Don't get me wrong - on their day Kerry can beat anyone. When they were squeezed in the second half on Sunday they were struggling though. Had McGinley kicked that one over the bar I think they'd have been beat.
Quote from: bennydorano on February 20, 2009, 06:12:23 PM
I respect your opinion but couldn't disagree more. I have a healthy respect for Tyrone and a strong dislike of Kerry but I think a worm turned on Sunday and it wasn't in Tyrone's favour. Turned Screw is a euphamism for what now? If the new rules are adapted for the championship Kerry will walk it.
I was thinking that the other day, it will be fun if Kerry win the league or do well in it, then if the 'new' rules were voted down and Kerry were to exit the championship it could spark an extremely amusing whingefest that would put 2003 in the shade.
As far as I can see they are doing OK with the 'old' rules though.
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Quote from: bennydorano on February 20, 2009, 06:12:23 PM
I respect your opinion but couldn't disagree more. I have a healthy respect for Tyrone and a strong dislike of Kerry but I think a worm turned on Sunday and it wasn't in Tyrone's favour. Turned Screw is a euphamism for what now? If the new rules are adapted for the championship Kerry will walk it.
I was thinking that the other day, it will be fun if Kerry win the league or do well in it, then if the 'new' rules were voted down and Kerry were to exit the championship it could spark an extremely amusing whingefest that would put 2003 in the shade.
As far as I can see they are doing OK with the 'old' rules though.
It would be even funnier if they won the league and the new rules were introduced. Comments like the above would no doubt be thrown out by most journalists and how the new rules would help the team with better footballers. Then Tyrone turn round and beat them again under the new rules when it matters. Would cast a shadow over this craic about Kerry having the better players.
Ciarraíoch anseo,
would just like to add my opinion. The game was interesting. Kerry looked unstopable for a while before succumbing to the usual failings of leaving teams back into it.
Tyrone fair play to them never game up. Tommy Walsh needs to wise up. I know the goalkeeper did well, but in reality if it were Cooper instead of Tommy, he would have taken the step around the keeper and stuck it away.
McMenamin was ... well my fellow Kerrymen have come up with enough adjectives... lets just say i wouldn't be disappointed if I never saw him on a football field ever again.
Ye nordies should stop rising to the bait... the fellah saying it was Sexual Assault is taking the p1ss!
I was more angry with his tangle with Marc Ó Sé at the end and a typical reaction of a sore looser. He also lead the charge for the melee at the end, trying to fight every kerry player within 30yds of him.
Take a leaf out of Seán Cavenaghs book and stick to the football.
Quote from: Big Mickey on February 20, 2009, 06:25:27 PM
agree whole heartedly with benny. On sunday tyrone were beat fair and square by a better team
I'm sorry, but to me that's absolute nonsense. For 25 mins Kerry were the better side simply because Mickey stuck to his guns with his original selection for the reason that this is the time to do it. Kerry scored something like 3 points over the last 45 minutes when Mickey changed things around and reverted to AI line-up.
Quote from: bennydorano on February 20, 2009, 04:36:58 PM
I must say I've watched with increasing disbelief all week at how this defeat for Tyrone is being turned into some sort of moral victory, even Joe Brolly's at it into today's substandard edition of the Gaelic Life. One in the motivation bank etc.. Kerry leaving the field looking a beaten team... such nonsense.
I concur. How anyone can read into what impact a game on a boggy Healy Park in February, with two teams that for all intents and purposes were doing nothing other than shadow boxing, could possibly have as regards to the outcome of the 2009 All Ireland I'll never know.
To be fair you can when a new manager is concerned. You get to see his thinking and ideas for the coming months. You'll not be able to spot AI champions, but you can make a valued judgement on fresh approaches.
Quote from: bennydorano on February 20, 2009, 06:12:23 PM
I respect your opinion but couldn't disagree more. I have a healthy respect for Tyrone and a strong dislike of Kerry but I think a worm turned on Sunday and it wasn't in Tyrone's favour. Turned Screw is a euphamism for what now? If the new rules are adapted for the championship Kerry will walk it.
I seem to remember this worm turning and kerry havin the upper hand before the 05 final. And then again last September. Good to hear they've got the Tyronies worked out this time round, theyve took their time. Hopefully the southern bookies will take note and we'll get that nice 33/1 again!
Great to hear that they're relying on the retention of these new rules to get their hands on the title again. If youd said to a Tyrone man comin out of Croke Park after the 86 final or again after the 95 final that within 20 years the mighty kerry would be relying on the gaa top brass to bring in new rules to help them take us on he'd have laughed himself stupid.
On another issue, can you imagine the Kerry stand in Tralee or Killarney chanting to their team in appreciation as they take a warmdown after a 3 point defeat. The looks on the kerry faces as they walked off last week was priceless. They must be wonderin what they have to do to shut these up these mad, mouth foaming hordes from the north, both on and off the pitch.
Heres to a long hot summer. Lets hope Jack O'Connor can keep his head and his handbag under control.
Quote from: ONeill on February 20, 2009, 11:27:48 PM
To be fair you can when a new manager is concerned. You get to see his thinking and ideas for the coming months. You'll not be able to spot AI champions, but you can make a valued judgement on fresh approaches.
True to an extent. Jack O'Connor may try certain things now, they might work or they might not, but in reality he doesn't have to show his hand until early August. But there certainly has been a distinct lack of perspective over the last week. Does Tyrone clawing back an 11 point deficit to 3 points illustrate that the Kerry class of 09 haven't the stomach for a dogfight? Absolutely not. Mickey Harte and Jack O'Connor may have learned a few tidbits from Sunday, but people talking about moral victories and screws turning just leaves me incredulous. The only impact that this game will have for Mickey Harte is in the preparations for Galway and Westmeath games.
2003: we secure an unlikely victory in Killarney by the single score middle of the NFL, 2005: we get a tanking in Tralee last game of the NFL, 2008: we get a tanking early in the NFL in Tralee.
Last weekend: meaningless (unless you're a Kerryman, then when all you have to do is to turn up for the All-Ireland).
It was only 2 league points on offer - that's all - neither manager will be worrying too much about the game to be honest.
Again, because it's Kerry/Tyrone with the recent history with very much the same players, played in the manner it was, some judgement can be made.
Quote from: ONeill on February 21, 2009, 12:24:00 AM
Again, because it's Kerry/Tyrone with the recent history with very much the same players, played in the manner it was, some judgement can be made.
Yeah, on balance, if we win the NFL game, we don't win the AI.
03?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 21, 2009, 12:26:07 AM
Quote from: ONeill on February 21, 2009, 12:24:00 AM
Again, because it's Kerry/Tyrone with the recent history with very much the same players, played in the manner it was, some judgement can be made.
Yeah, on balance, if we win the NFL game, we don't win the AI.
Or, indeed, if we have to travel to Kerry for the National League game the odds of Tyrone winning the All Ireland increase exponentially.
We're fucked then ;)
Quote from: tyrone86 on February 21, 2009, 12:29:48 AM
Or, indeed, if we have to travel to Kerry for the National League game the odds of Tyrone winning the All Ireland increase exponentially.
We're fucked then ;)
Was waiting for that, except that location is immaterial, and everyone knows that ;)
Your sums are wrong.
Quote from: ONeill on February 21, 2009, 12:33:23 AM
Your sums are wrong.
Or another way, in Cormac's absence, we've a 100% record when we lose. We're certs!
You're like these Premier League statisticians.
2/3 what?
Quote from: ONeill on February 21, 2009, 12:36:24 AM
2/3 what?
Of the three times that we have won SAM, we have lost to Kerry on (the last) two occasions in the league, if you'd been there in Kerry for those resounding defeats you'd understand my optimism. C'est tout!
Of the 39 times we have lost to Kerry in the league, we have won Sam twice.
Lads: the League means squat.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 21, 2009, 12:44:26 AM
Lads: the League means squat.
It meant a feckin great deal in 03 and 04 when the AI winners won both. In 05 the winners and semi-finalists contested the NFL semis. In 06 Kerry won both with the AI runners up reaching the semis. In 07 the NFL runners up reached the AIF. In 08 Kerry reached the final.
2002 was the last time NFL had no relevance to the SFC season.
The NFL does not mean squat. It's an indicator as to how teams are progressing. Tyrone in 08 was probably biggest 'squat' example I suppose.
Gone are the days when MH went out to win every match.
Quote from: ONeill on February 21, 2009, 12:53:16 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 21, 2009, 12:44:26 AM
Lads: the League means squat.
It meant a feckin great deal in 03 and 04 when the AI winners won both. In 05 the winners and semi-finalists contested the NFL semis. In 06 Kerry won both with the AI runners up reaching the semis. In 07 the NFL runners up reached the AIF. In 08 Kerry reached the final.
2002 was the last time NFL had no relevance to the SFC season.
The NFL does not mean squat. It's an indicator as to how teams are progressing. Tyrone in 08 was probably biggest 'squat' example I suppose.
Yes it does, it means feck all! It was a bigger deal to us when we were unproven, and '92 still breaks my heart, but no more. Let go man!
Quote from: orangeman on February 21, 2009, 12:54:44 AM
Gone are the days when MH went out to win every match.
I think that's a scandalous accusation. You're suggesting Mickey goes out to lose. Consider yourself reported.
This is some evolution from Tyrone v Kerry in February means shite all to the All Ireland. I wouldn't say that the league means squat, by all accounts it wasn't until after the Derry game last year that Tyrone realised how far back they were and upped the intensity of training accordingly. It's not the end of the world if you don't win it, but it provides a yard stick to see where the other teams and your own players are at that point in time.
Quote from: ONeill on February 21, 2009, 12:59:41 AM
Quote from: orangeman on February 21, 2009, 12:54:44 AM
Gone are the days when MH went out to win every match.
I think that's a scandalous accusation. You're suggesting Mickey goes out to lose. Consider yourself reported.
I hear he's even considering playing challenge matches too !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: ONeill on February 21, 2009, 12:53:16 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 21, 2009, 12:44:26 AM
Lads: the League means squat.
It meant a feckin great deal in 03 and 04 when the AI winners won both. In 05 the winners and semi-finalists contested the NFL semis. In 06 Kerry won both with the AI runners up reaching the semis. In 07 the NFL runners up reached the AIF. In 08 Kerry reached the final.
2002 was the last time NFL had no relevance to the SFC season.
The NFL does not mean squat. It's an indicator as to how teams are progressing. Tyrone in 08 was probably biggest 'squat' example I suppose.
A league game in Febuary does mean 'squat', and all your stats prove ONeill is that the best teams in the country do pretty well in the league as well as the championship, nothing groundbreaking there I'd imagine. Now that the big teams take the league fairly seriously one or two of them are bound to be at the business end just as they generally are in the championship. But reading too much into an early season head to head is nonsense, all Tyrone V Kerry in Feb tells us is that there isn't much between the two teams and we already knew that.
I posted this on another thread:
Probably the wrong thread but I have suggested one way of changing the season which I will out line below. Its only a rough idea but I think we need to think of better ways to get people interested from earlier in the year:
. Link the league and championship and split the championship into an A championship and B championship.
. Have 2 groups of 8 in the A championship and the same in b). There are a lot of teams who simply arent in a position to compete with the top teams.
. Each team plays each other once with the top four qualifying for the quarter finals with 1st in group 1 playing 4th in group 2 etc.
. Start the B championship earlier. This would mean that the winners of the B championship could have a playoff with one of the 4th placed teams for a quarter final place. Meaning every team in Ireland still has a chance of winning the All Ireland.
. Each team plays 3 home and 3 away games. Have a huge advertising blitz early in the year. Season tickets for home games and for all games will be available through clubs at reasonable prices and with oap/children tickets available. These will have 1st choice on quarter final tickets and on.
. Each team plays 1 neutral match possibly in Croke Park. Say have a few big Croke Park Weekends with double headers on Saturday and Sundays.
. Possibly organise the groups on a geographical basis so that there will be plenty of derbies and bigger crowds.
. There would be relegation/promotion each year between championships.
. Possibly have the provincial championships as a warm up.
. Start the championship in March/April. Matches will be played once every 2 weeks. Every other week will be set aside for club games with county players and there will be no exceptions. Club players need more games than once every 2 weeks so something would have to be considered here. Still think this would be better for clubs than the current situation.
This would be a huge shift from current situation and I'm not saying its the best way forward. But really think it makes no sense currently for most counties to only start playing meaningful games in July even though the season commences in January. Also think it could lead to a better structured season for clubs. Should also mean nearly every county match is important. The traditionalists would probably hate this idea!
If the league means nothing come championship and if no one cares how they do in it then why are we wasting over half of the inter county season by playing meaningless games? It makes no sense.
QuoteI respect your opinion but couldn't disagree more. I have a healthy respect for Tyrone and a strong dislike of Kerry but I think a worm turned on Sunday and it wasn't in Tyrone's favour.
Benny Tyrone's line up left out 4 all-stars and best players in Ireland in their positions. It will take something special from Kerry to beat a full strength Tyrone in August/September otherwise it will be the same old story of bewildered looks from the kingdom.
QuoteIf the league means nothing come championship and if no one cares how they do in it then why are we wasting over half of the inter county season by playing meaningless games? It makes no sense.
I don't agree it means nothing, it's just that it's early in the season so you can't read too much into a result, sure Down beat Tyrone after a replay in the early part of last years championship and we all know how both teams finished up. I think the league is great, there are plenty of great matches and interesting match ups and nattering away about the various results and what it means for promotion or relegation is great IMO.
QuoteBenny Tyrone's line up left out 4 all-stars and best players in Ireland in their positions. It will take something special from Kerry to beat a full strength Tyrone in August/September otherwise it will be the same old story of bewildered looks from the kingdom.
That was hardly a full strength Kerry either, the two O'Se's and Donaghy spring to mind immediately but there'll be other changes before championship.
Quote from: Zulu on February 21, 2009, 11:39:45 AM
A league game in Febuary does mean 'squat', and all your stats prove ONeill is that the best teams in the country do pretty well in the league as well as the championship, nothing groundbreaking there I'd imagine. Now that the big teams take the league fairly seriously one or two of them are bound to be at the business end just as they generally are in the championship. But reading too much into an early season head to head is nonsense, all Tyrone V Kerry in Feb tells us is that there isn't much between the two teams and we already knew that.
Nowhere has anyone said that Tyrone or Kerry's AI chances are now transparent after Sunday. What you can do is analysis what you saw in terms of performances.
But to say that the NFL means nothing is wrong. Last year we were given an indication of Wexford's eventual performance.
Quote from: ONeill on February 21, 2009, 01:10:27 PM
Quote from: Zulu on February 21, 2009, 11:39:45 AM
A league game in Febuary does mean 'squat', and all your stats prove ONeill is that the best teams in the country do pretty well in the league as well as the championship, nothing groundbreaking there I'd imagine. Now that the big teams take the league fairly seriously one or two of them are bound to be at the business end just as they generally are in the championship. But reading too much into an early season head to head is nonsense, all Tyrone V Kerry in Feb tells us is that there isn't much between the two teams and we already knew that.
Nowhere has anyone said that Tyrone or Kerry's AI chances are now transparent after Sunday. What you can do is analysis what you saw in terms of performances.
But to say that the NFL means nothing is wrong. Last year we were given an indication of Wexford's eventual performance.
The NFL is not squat, but only in the context of the Championship; it means nothing in itself, but means a lot as a preliminary for the Championship. Zulu, you can quote me all the stats until you're blue in the face -- I'm still smarting from the rout we had in Tralee in 2005 (and that was the
last NFL game), and that meant zilch in Championship terms. Shane, when you're positive about a defeat I'll be worried.
I'm not sure who is saying what at this stage but to clarify my own position, taking an early season league game and reading anything into it is pointless but a teams overall performance in the league is worth noting though it has to be taken in context. ONeill you cite Wexford's league performance as evidence that a good league can be used as a marker for that years championship but 2 years ago (I think) Donegal won the league and then did SFA after that. So you can pick and chose teams to suit your argument if you want. If anything I think recent years have shown us that getting to the AI QF's is what's important and from there on in performing to your best will decide your season.
Quote from: Zulu on February 21, 2009, 12:34:48 PM
QuoteIf the league means nothing come championship and if no one cares how they do in it then why are we wasting over half of the inter county season by playing meaningless games? It makes no sense.
I don't agree it means nothing, it's just that it's early in the season so you can't read too much into a result, sure Down beat Tyrone after a replay in the early part of last years championship and we all know how both teams finished up. I think the league is great, there are plenty of great matches and interesting match ups and nattering away about the various results and what it means for promotion or relegation is great IMO.
QuoteBenny Tyrone's line up left out 4 all-stars and best players in Ireland in their positions. It will take something special from Kerry to beat a full strength Tyrone in August/September otherwise it will be the same old story of bewildered looks from the kingdom.
That was hardly a full strength Kerry either, the two O'Se's and Donaghy spring to mind immediately but there'll be other changes before championship.
Its meaningless from the point of view that most teams dont really care if they do well in the league. Im not sure if it makes sense to have 10 + warm up games (if you include McKenna cup etc) and then maybe only play a couple of important championship games. I know we like to think of ourselves as different to other sports but no other sport I think would come close to having the same proportion of warm up games in their season. Is it any wonder the gaa struggles to attract crowds to the leagues when the games dont really matter.
Well in fairness I think the league does matter to some teams and every county bar Kerry would take great pleasure in winning it. The problem with runninig a proper competition in the GAA, is we still want to be all things to all men and the fact that we are a dual code association. For example if you start the championship in March/April where does that leave the U21 championship or the Sigerson/Fitz? What about the clubs in dual counties if your playing football every second week? I presume hurling is being played on the altenative weeks, which poses a serious problem for the likes of Cork, Limerick, Wexford, Tipp, Waterford etc., and if you play IC football and hurling on the same weekend then you seriously decrease the attendance at one if not both games for some counties.
IMO we will never get a proper competition until senior IC players only play senior IC football or hurling, they don't play for their clubs, universities or county U21 sides unless the IC senior team is knocked out. I'm not saying that is desireable but when your trying to account for everything nothing gets done properly.
Quote from: Zulu on February 21, 2009, 01:36:10 PM
I'm not sure who is saying what at this stage but to clarify my own position, taking an early season league game and reading anything into it is pointless but a teams overall performance in the league is worth noting though it has to be taken in context. ONeill you cite Wexford's league performance as evidence that a good league can be used as a marker for that years championship but 2 years ago (I think) Donegal won the league and then did SFA after that. So you can pick and chose teams to suit your argument if you want. If anything I think recent years have shown us that getting to the AI QF's is what's important and from there on in performing to your best will decide your season.
By and large Zulu based on statistics teams that do well in the league do well in the championship. There are exceptions but not many. Teams that do poorly in the league generally make early exits in the championship
I agree Indiana but as I said in a previous post that is as much to with the fact that the top teams take the league fairly seriously now and therefore they are likely to do well in both league and championship.
unless you're dublin. but then again we aren't a top team anymore.
That's one thing that has surprised me about Dublin over the past 2 or 3 years, I felt they really should have, and should be now, really going for the league. It would do them the world of good IMO and might give them that well of confidence they need come August.
Quote from: Zulu on February 21, 2009, 03:02:18 PM
Well in fairness I think the league does matter to some teams and every county bar Kerry would take great pleasure in winning it. The problem with runninig a proper competition in the GAA, is we still want to be all things to all men and the fact that we are a dual code association. For example if you start the championship in March/April where does that leave the U21 championship or the Sigerson/Fitz? What about the clubs in dual counties if your playing football every second week? I presume hurling is being played on the altenative weeks, which poses a serious problem for the likes of Cork, Limerick, Wexford, Tipp, Waterford etc., and if you play IC football and hurling on the same weekend then you seriously decrease the attendance at one if not both games for some counties.
IMO we will never get a proper competition until senior IC players only play senior IC football or hurling, they don't play for their clubs, universities or county U21 sides unless the IC senior team is knocked out. I'm not saying that is desireable but when your trying to account for everything nothing gets done properly.
I'm proposing a system were county players would actually play less games than they currently do. Just most games would have a higher degree of importance. I'm also proposing a system were county players would be available every second week for their clubs. It wouldnt impact the Sigerson because it would be played earlier in the year. The u21's could possibly be played later in the year or fitted in else were. I just think the gaa need to think of ways going forward were are best players are involved in high profile games for a greater portion of the year.
Then' you'd have guys playing 52 week a year. IN My opinion guys whoa re already starting 15 for their county senior sides shouldn't be playing u21 as well
Last Sunday in Omagh Ryan McMenamin tapped Paul Galvin in what was reported as 'the groin area'. Let me tell you what the groin area means in grown-up speak. It is the testicles. Galvin went down in a heap, but, to his credit, he jumped up right away.
If Galvin had reacted by striking McMenamin, his season, and possibly his career, was effectively over, as it would be highly unlikely Kerry would put up with anymore indiscipline on his part.
In what I thought was the worst decision I have ever seen, the ref gave Galvin a black card for diving. McMenamin was adjudged to be the victim. There was a linesman only a few metres away. Surely he should have focussed on a potential flashpoint between the two most volatile players in the country? All five officials amazingly missed the incident but a TG4 cameraman on the other side of the pitch caught McMenamin in the act.
And what if the eagle-eyed TG4 camera men hadn't filmed that incident and others? Galvin would have been branded a diver and a cheat.
Galvin must have been well frustrated by then. Earlier, a Tyrone player held him back from a run by pulling his jersey off the ball. Shades of last summer. None of the five officials picked up on that one either.
I thought Galvin's restraint in the face of such provocation was heroic. His acceptance of what I thought was a manifestly unjust decision must be lauded
Now I will only discuss what I saw myself on TV, in fairness to all concerned. I am sure there were other incidents, maybe some involving Kerry players, but I wasn't at the game and hearsay is just another word for gossip.
Late on, McMenamin ploughed into Gooch, who was on the ground. It wasn't too nasty, but in my opinion it was clearly a yellow card offence. The ref saw it differently and gave the free to Tyrone.
McMenamin had been mouthing off at Gooch all day. He was as much in his face as a dentist. I have no idea what McMenamin said to Gooch but it wasn't "what way were the spuds by ye last year?". That was another yellow, as far as I am concerned, but, again, the ref kept his cards in his pocket.
Then, at the end, McMenamin slapped Marc O Se and squeezed his cheeks. I suppose Marc was lucky it wasn't his manhood that was squeezed. O Se pushed McMenamin in the back. There was more mouthing from Ryan.
McMenamin was on a black from early and, as far as I'm concerned, he should have been given at least one more black during the game which means another sending off.
So let's tot it up. There's the testicle tap, the in-your-face carry-on, the two blacks and the O Se incident. That, in my opinion, comes to four sending-offs, yet McMenamin remained on the field of play for the entire game while others were sent off for far less serious incidents.
Now what do the GAA want from Kerry? Are we to play Gandhi football for the rest of the year?
And this is no Kerry sour grapes. Tyrone beat us fair and square in the final and we did win in Omagh. I hate having to write this piece. I hate making enemies and there's nothing worse than having to face someone you've written about in derogatory terms, but this piece had to be written for the good of the game we love so much.
I have close friends in Tyrone and I love to visit the county so please believe me when I say, this gives me no pleasure. And, yes, I did criticise Paul Galvin, who lives just down the road, when he injured a young player here at home. At least he apologised afterwards, unlike 'you know who'.
'You know who' is not all bad. He is a superb defender and the best small man in football. He doesn't need to play dirty. If he had any cop he could have been the GAA Stringer.
And what of Mickey Harte? I suspect he will not be pleased with McMenamin. Mickey's team won the All-Ireland with an imaginative and exciting transposition of what the Dutch termed 'total football', but how is it the most brilliant manager in the game cannot control his own captain? It is a black mark against Harte for, surely, he must realise McMenamin's single black rebuke may yet be seen as a mortuary card for Gaelic football.
- Billy Keane
There is also a piece by Colm Keys in the Indo as well which is not very nice at all.
THE MOST HATED MAN IN FOOTBALL ? ( In relation to Ryan Mc Menamin ).
An awful piece but this is what Keys is prone to.
Great Article from Billy Keane. Strange to see him so worked up, as usually his column is a lighthearted one. He is great for getting his opions across it has to be said.
Great point about the appology. But that was never going to come, because an appolgy is almost an admission of guilt... and Mc Menamin is so up himself that he thinks he hasn't done anything wrong.
Quote from: INDIANA on February 21, 2009, 05:18:14 PM
Then' you'd have guys playing 52 week a year. IN My opinion guys whoa re already starting 15 for their county senior sides shouldn't be playing u21 as well
There's already guys playing 52 weeks a year. The system I said would mean a later start and longer break for county players not involved with Sigerson. I'm suprised more county players dont take the winter off and forget the Sigerson.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on February 21, 2009, 05:04:34 PM
Quote from: Zulu on February 21, 2009, 03:02:18 PM
Well in fairness I think the league does matter to some teams and every county bar Kerry would take great pleasure in winning it. The problem with runninig a proper competition in the GAA, is we still want to be all things to all men and the fact that we are a dual code association. For example if you start the championship in March/April where does that leave the U21 championship or the Sigerson/Fitz? What about the clubs in dual counties if your playing football every second week? I presume hurling is being played on the altenative weeks, which poses a serious problem for the likes of Cork, Limerick, Wexford, Tipp, Waterford etc., and if you play IC football and hurling on the same weekend then you seriously decrease the attendance at one if not both games for some counties.
IMO we will never get a proper competition until senior IC players only play senior IC football or hurling, they don't play for their clubs, universities or county U21 sides unless the IC senior team is knocked out. I'm not saying that is desireable but when your trying to account for everything nothing gets done properly.
I'm proposing a system were county players would actually play less games than they currently do. Just most games would have a higher degree of importance. I'm also proposing a system were county players would be available every second week for their clubs. It wouldnt impact the Sigerson because it would be played earlier in the year. The u21's could possibly be played later in the year or fitted in else were. I just think the gaa need to think of ways going forward were are best players are involved in high profile games for a greater portion of the year.
TD I agree we should be thinking outside the box interms of our competitions and every suggestion is welcome but obviously it has to be workable for it to have any merit. And i don't think yours really is. For example you contend that the Sigerson won't be affected but it will, although it is finished before your championship is started, the end of Sigerson and the start of the IC season are very close and most IC managers won't let their best players train or play with the University if it's that close IMO. I have experience in this regard so believe me it would happen. And you again ignore the dual code aspect of the GAA, in most Munster counties and quite a few Leinster many clubs play both codes and quite a few have serious hurling and football teams at county level.
So take Limerick for example, if Limerick footballers are playing weeks 1, 3, 5 etc. and their hurlers are playing weeks 2, 4, 6 etc. when do the clubs get to play? If Limerick footballers and hurlers play the same weeks then support for one team (at least) will be well down, is that fair on the Limerick players? Anyway because these are championship games I'd doubt players will be allowed to play with their clubs on the weeks off, throw in the minor and U21 chamopionships which also affect clubs and you proposal simply isn't workable.
But here's the catch as things stand a workable solution isn't possible because our best players often have 3 teams calling on their services (hurling & football- club and one code at county) and our best young players often have that, county U21 both codes and at least one code at Uni level, which makes 6.
I agree with Indiana, if you play senior IC then you shouldn't be allowed to play minor or U21, these are essentially feeder teams to senior anyway so if you are already senior standard, play senior and let some other lad get the chance to play U21.
Jesus H, will some of the Kerry wans ever get over it? Not defending Mc Menamin, but my Christ, has Billy ever watched a video of one of Kerry's less glorious adventures? Jeez!
Quote from: Zulu on February 21, 2009, 06:06:47 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on February 21, 2009, 05:04:34 PM
Quote from: Zulu on February 21, 2009, 03:02:18 PM
Well in fairness I think the league does matter to some teams and every county bar Kerry would take great pleasure in winning it. The problem with runninig a proper competition in the GAA, is we still want to be all things to all men and the fact that we are a dual code association. For example if you start the championship in March/April where does that leave the U21 championship or the Sigerson/Fitz? What about the clubs in dual counties if your playing football every second week? I presume hurling is being played on the altenative weeks, which poses a serious problem for the likes of Cork, Limerick, Wexford, Tipp, Waterford etc., and if you play IC football and hurling on the same weekend then you seriously decrease the attendance at one if not both games for some counties.
IMO we will never get a proper competition until senior IC players only play senior IC football or hurling, they don't play for their clubs, universities or county U21 sides unless the IC senior team is knocked out. I'm not saying that is desireable but when your trying to account for everything nothing gets done properly.
I'm proposing a system were county players would actually play less games than they currently do. Just most games would have a higher degree of importance. I'm also proposing a system were county players would be available every second week for their clubs. It wouldnt impact the Sigerson because it would be played earlier in the year. The u21's could possibly be played later in the year or fitted in else were. I just think the gaa need to think of ways going forward were are best players are involved in high profile games for a greater portion of the year.
TD I agree we should be thinking outside the box interms of our competitions and every suggestion is welcome but obviously it has to be workable for it to have any merit. And i don't think yours really is. For example you contend that the Sigerson won't be affected but it will, although it is finished before your championship is started, the end of Sigerson and the start of the IC season are very close and most IC managers won't let their best players train or play with the University if it's that close IMO. I have experience in this regard so believe me it would happen. And you again ignore the dual code aspect of the GAA, in most Munster counties and quite a few Leinster many clubs play both codes and quite a few have serious hurling and football teams at county level.
So take Limerick for example, if Limerick footballers are playing weeks 1, 3, 5 etc. and their hurlers are playing weeks 2, 4, 6 etc. when do the clubs get to play? If Limerick footballers and hurlers play the same weeks then support for one team (at least) will be well down, is that fair on the Limerick players? Anyway because these are championship games I'd doubt players will be allowed to play with their clubs on the weeks off, throw in the minor and U21 chamopionships which also affect clubs and you proposal simply isn't workable.
But here's the catch as things stand a workable solution isn't possible because our best players often have 3 teams calling on their services (hurling & football- club and one code at county) and our best young players often have that, county U21 both codes and at least one code at Uni level, which makes 6.
I agree with Indiana, if you play senior IC then you shouldn't be allowed to play minor or U21, these are essentially feeder teams to senior anyway so if you are already senior standard, play senior and let some other lad get the chance to play U21.
Good post Zulu. In Dublin now after u16 you must choose football or hurling at county level. There will be no more dual minors in dublin again. the first of them being this year. The best of them are opting for hurling
Quote from: Zulu on February 21, 2009, 06:06:47 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on February 21, 2009, 05:04:34 PM
Quote from: Zulu on February 21, 2009, 03:02:18 PM
Well in fairness I think the league does matter to some teams and every county bar Kerry would take great pleasure in winning it. The problem with runninig a proper competition in the GAA, is we still want to be all things to all men and the fact that we are a dual code association. For example if you start the championship in March/April where does that leave the U21 championship or the Sigerson/Fitz? What about the clubs in dual counties if your playing football every second week? I presume hurling is being played on the altenative weeks, which poses a serious problem for the likes of Cork, Limerick, Wexford, Tipp, Waterford etc., and if you play IC football and hurling on the same weekend then you seriously decrease the attendance at one if not both games for some counties.
IMO we will never get a proper competition until senior IC players only play senior IC football or hurling, they don't play for their clubs, universities or county U21 sides unless the IC senior team is knocked out. I'm not saying that is desireable but when your trying to account for everything nothing gets done properly.
I'm proposing a system were county players would actually play less games than they currently do. Just most games would have a higher degree of importance. I'm also proposing a system were county players would be available every second week for their clubs. It wouldnt impact the Sigerson because it would be played earlier in the year. The u21's could possibly be played later in the year or fitted in else were. I just think the gaa need to think of ways going forward were are best players are involved in high profile games for a greater portion of the year.
TD I agree we should be thinking outside the box interms of our competitions and every suggestion is welcome but obviously it has to be workable for it to have any merit. And i don't think yours really is. For example you contend that the Sigerson won't be affected but it will, although it is finished before your championship is started, the end of Sigerson and the start of the IC season are very close and most IC managers won't let their best players train or play with the University if it's that close IMO. I have experience in this regard so believe me it would happen. And you again ignore the dual code aspect of the GAA, in most Munster counties and quite a few Leinster many clubs play both codes and quite a few have serious hurling and football teams at county level.
So take Limerick for example, if Limerick footballers are playing weeks 1, 3, 5 etc. and their hurlers are playing weeks 2, 4, 6 etc. when do the clubs get to play? If Limerick footballers and hurlers play the same weeks then support for one team (at least) will be well down, is that fair on the Limerick players? Anyway because these are championship games I'd doubt players will be allowed to play with their clubs on the weeks off, throw in the minor and U21 chamopionships which also affect clubs and you proposal simply isn't workable.
But here's the catch as things stand a workable solution isn't possible because our best players often have 3 teams calling on their services (hurling & football- club and one code at county) and our best young players often have that, county U21 both codes and at least one code at Uni level, which makes 6.
I agree with Indiana, if you play senior IC then you shouldn't be allowed to play minor or U21, these are essentially feeder teams to senior anyway so if you are already senior standard, play senior and let some other lad get the chance to play U21.
I see what your saying and the dual issue would be the biggest problem. There arent too many dual players left at county level but you'd have to effectively tell players to make a choice. If there were no dual players there obviously is no issue as you could have county football one week with club hurling and the opposite the next. Still think the gaa should look at the current way the season runs and consider improvements.
"If he had any cop he could have been the GAA Stringer."
What's that sentence from the Billy Keane piece supposed to mean? I assume it is a comparison to the rugby player? But on what grounds is he making the comparison? Ryan would be a much more successful sportsman in my opinion.
Ireland haven't ever won shit at rugby and wasn't Stringer dropped after a couple of years anyway, does the guy Stringer play for Munster, they've won a couple of things I suppose. Is he trying to draw comparison between the scrum-half position and playing CHB at Gaelic, I'd have thought a comparison to player like Brian McGuigan would have been more apt, if you were getting into making silly comparisons between sports.
Anyway, I wouldn't argue with the jist of the article in general, I just couldn't make any sense at all out of that sentence.
What a total load of absolute crap!!!!!!!!! Here we go again. Football has to be saved again.
QuoteLast Sunday in Omagh Ryan McMenamin tapped Paul Galvin in what was reported as 'the groin area'. Let me tell you what the groin area means in grown-up speak. It is the testicles. Galvin went down in a heap, but, to his credit, he jumped up right away.
If Galvin had reacted by striking McMenamin, his season, and possibly his career, was effectively over, as it would be highly unlikely Kerry would put up with anymore indiscipline on his part.
In what I thought was the worst decision I have ever seen, the ref gave Galvin a black card for diving. McMenamin was adjudged to be the victim. There was a linesman only a few metres away. Surely he should have focussed on a potential flashpoint between the two most volatile players in the country? All five officials amazingly missed the incident but a TG4 cameraman on the other side of the pitch caught McMenamin in the act.
Obviously didn't see the All-Ireland final 2003 and Marsden's sending off ;)
QuoteAnd what if the eagle-eyed TG4 camera men hadn't filmed that incident and others? Galvin would have been branded a diver and a cheat.
Galvin must have been well frustrated by then. Earlier, a Tyrone player held him back from a run by pulling his jersey off the ball. Shades of last summer. None of the five officials picked up on that one either.
I thought Galvin's restraint in the face of such provocation was heroic. His acceptance of what I thought was a manifestly unjust decision must be lauded
Poor Paul has been misunderstood all these years
QuoteNow I will only discuss what I saw myself on TV, in fairness to all concerned. I am sure there were other incidents, maybe some involving Kerry players, but I wasn't at the game and hearsay is just another word for gossip.
Correct me if I'm wrong but surely him telling us what he saw on TV is hearsay too and we all know that's another word for gossip.
QuoteLate on, McMenamin ploughed into Gooch, who was on the ground. It wasn't too nasty, but in my opinion it was clearly a yellow card offence. The ref saw it differently and gave the free to Tyrone.
McMenamin had been mouthing off at Gooch all day. He was as much in his face as a dentist. I have no idea what McMenamin said to Gooch but it wasn't "what way were the spuds by ye last year?". That was another yellow, as far as I am concerned, but, again, the ref kept his cards in his pocket.
Has to be hearsay. Gooch couldn't have seen McMenamin until shortly before the throw in and even then the camera did not follow them round for all of the match.
QuoteThen, at the end, McMenamin slapped Marc O Se and squeezed his cheeks. I suppose Marc was lucky it wasn't his manhood that was squeezed. O Se pushed McMenamin in the back. There was more mouthing from Ryan.
Got that incident in the wrong order completely.
QuoteMcMenamin was on a black from early and, as far as I'm concerned, he should have been given at least one more black during the game which means another sending off.
From my armchair in Kerry :D
QuoteSo let's tot it up. There's the testicle tap, the in-your-face carry-on, the two blacks and the O Se incident. That, in my opinion, comes to four sending-offs, yet McMenamin remained on the field of play for the entire game while others were sent off for far less serious incidents.
Not one, not two, not three but FOUR!!! :o
QuoteNow what do the GAA want from Kerry?
We all know the answer to that. Save Gaelic football, the game we all love so much from the mortuary?
QuoteAre we to play Gandhi football for the rest of the year? And this is no Kerry sour grapes.
Double bluff there Billy. I'm not falling for it.
QuoteTyrone beat us fair and square in the final and we did win in Omagh. I hate having to write this piece. I hate making enemies and there's nothing worse than having to face someone you've written about in derogatory terms, but this piece had to be written for the good of the game we love so much.
Says it all really.
QuoteI have close friends in Tyrone and I love to visit the county so please believe me when I say, this gives me no pleasure. And, yes, I did criticise Paul Galvin, who lives just down the road, when he injured a young player here at home. At least he apologised afterwards, unlike 'you know who'.
Is this guy really a journalist or was this a letter sent into a newspaper from a prankster. Maybe all this is a prank really
Quote'You know who' is not all bad. He is a superb defender and the best small man in football. He doesn't need to play dirty. If he had any cop he could have been the GAA Stringer.
And what of Mickey Harte? I suspect he will not be pleased with McMenamin. Mickey's team won the All-Ireland with an imaginative and exciting transposition of what the Dutch termed 'total football', but how is it the most brilliant manager in the game cannot control his own captain?
Now a wee dig at Mickey for good measure.
QuoteIt is a black mark against Harte for, surely, he must realise McMenamin's single black rebuke may yet be seen as a mortuary card for Gaelic football.
Ouch!
Quote- Billy Keane
Billy Keane is talking through his hat.
McMenamin deserves the ban that's coming for him but I'm sick and tired of listening to Kerrymen defending Galvin since the Paddy Russell incident. If he had slapped McMenamin one - and it's not like he doesn't know how - people would have more respect for him than that measly little dive.
Some of you might be old enough to remember Conor Counihan grabbing Jack O'Shea by the nuts in a Munster Final in, I think, 1991. Jacko chased after him with the intent to do him harm. Enda Colleran, God have mercy on him, remarked on the Sunday Game that sometimes a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.
Twas a funny article.
It was meant to be funny, right?
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on February 22, 2009, 12:31:07 AM
Billy Keane is talking through his hat.
McMenamin deserves the ban that's coming for him but I'm sick and tired of listening to Kerrymen defending Galvin since the Paddy Russell incident. If he had slapped McMenamin one - and it's not like he doesn't know how - people would have more respect for him than that measly little dive.
Ironically McMenamin is not a physical player - he's not built for nor fit for that end of the game and so understandably avoids physical contact. sure he's a weed of a thing
Its pretty amazing how the actions of Mcmenamin are being excused on here....that was a very perverted act and, frankly, we dont need his type in the game. I think a 6 month ban is appropriate...there were plenty of Tymoanies calling for 6 months for Paul Galvin last year over a nothing incident...the monobrowed groper should get at least 6 months if not more.
Galvin -nothing incident? Your comments have been rendered redundant by that. Its a tad ironic listening to Kerrymen taking the moral high ground when their team is firmly with Tyrone in the cynical stakes.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on February 22, 2009, 12:31:07 AM
Billy Keane is talking through his hat.
McMenamin deserves the ban that's coming for him but I'm sick and tired of listening to Kerrymen defending Galvin since the Paddy Russell incident. If he had slapped McMenamin one - and it's not like he doesn't know how - people would have more respect for him than that measly little dive.
Some of you might be old enough to remember Conor Counihan grabbing Jack O'Shea by the nuts in a Munster Final in, I think, 1991. Jacko chased after him with the intent to do him harm. Enda Colleran, God have mercy on him, remarked on the Sunday Game that sometimes a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.
Im sorry... point out one place in that article where he defends Paul for the Paddy Russell incident! ... Plain and simple he doesn't. He lauds Galvin... a notorious hot headed player for not going off the handle at another rediculous decision against him!!!
What Galvin did last year was indefencable! Referee's , no matter how bad the decision must be shown respect. He should have handled it like he did against Tyrone, made his point and gone off.
As for "Slapping McMenamin one" ... as you so thoughtfully put it... Well that would have ended his career, plain and simple. The GAA would have come down hard on him, 12month ban for repeated ildicipline. And Ricey would get off scot free.
Finally "Measly little Dive" ... You are obviously a female. If you had been pinched by the balls, no matter how softly... well then you would know how bloody painfull it really is. FFS it wasn't even a dive, he slipped to his knees, recovered his breath and got back to his feet.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on February 22, 2009, 01:48:50 AM
Its pretty amazing how the actions of Mcmenamin are being excused on here....that was a very perverted act and, frankly, we dont need his type in the game. I think a 6 month ban is appropriate...there were plenty of Tymoanies calling for 6 months for Paul Galvin last year over a nothing incident...the monobrowed groper should get at least 6 months if not more.
Home comes the Fox from a welcome soujourn in the USA and met with this carry-on. Mike you will find a lot of Tyrone people are appaled by McMenamins behaviour and expect the manager to do something about it or say something. That was not the case with Galvin in Kerry last year and when he came on in the All Ireland final Kerry supporters went crazy...not that he made any difference. Some role model he is too. Him and Ricey are flip sides of the same coin....
Colm ORourke fairly got stuck into him in his column today. Used a few Dunphisms - "brat".
Glad to see that O'Rourke's memory is so short in regard to his own team's antics, the full article:
McMenamin's antics do Tyrone no favours
Tyrone and Kerry are still the teams to beat, writes Colm O'Rourke, but we could do with less of the nastiness
Sometimes at this time of year a league match carries much greater significance than just two points. In fact, the points may not matter at all. What is important to players and management is that a marker is laid down for later in the year.
It was very evident last Sunday that Kerry travelled to Omagh with intent. They played for all of the first half, and some of the second, like they were the kings. It was a reminder to Tyrone and the rest of the country that they are going to meet the challenge head on this year.
In winning, too, they sent out a message: Kerry under Jack O'Connor are going to have a harder, more disciplined edge than last year.
If the psychological advantage on a hot summer's day can sometimes be traced back in a player's mind to a lesser match on a lousy day in winter or spring, it is very real nonetheless. The key to victory sometimes lies in confidence as much as anything else.
Yet for all that, Tyrone players or Mickey Harte will hardly be too upset over this loss. The champions played like champions when the gun was put to their head. The bravery, will to win and sheer bloody-minded competitiveness shone through at a time when they looked as if they were going to be humiliated on their home turf.
So I would say Harte went home fairly happy. The only thing you can't put into a team is desire. Tyrone, after each All-Ireland win this decade, seemed to lack the same drive the following year but this time round there seems a different attitude abroad. When Stephen O'Neill and a few others return, they are still the team to beat even if the unfairness of the provincial system gives Kerry a much easier run to the business end of proceedings next August.
What Harte won't be happy about was the behaviour of Ryan McMenamin. In total contrast to Harte's own personal discipline, McMenamin was a disgrace, a brat would be the most charitable word used to describe him. McMenamin has strayed over the line many times in the past but last Sunday we were treated to the whole package of in-your-face snarling, sly digs, and open striking. It would be very interesting to hear from referee Jimmy White of Donegal -- who, in fairness, is one of the better refs -- as to why he left him on to the bitter end.
McMenamin's continuous mouthing into players' faces is despicable. I thought these new rules were supposed to sort out the likes of that and body checking by flashing a yellow card. Well, last week there was a system failure.
Many years ago when I played football there was far less mouthing off at opponents. Of course it did happen but I don't think it was anything like on the same scale. Anyway, players looked after things themselves. A nasty individual got a dig in the mouth and the message went out loud and clear. As for sympathy, there was absolutely none -- least of all from his own team-mates. The accepted view was that if you were mouthing off, you got what you deserved.
Now in a more civilised game, or so we are led to believe, the referee is supposed to sort it out. Well, whether it is old rules or new rules, they would want to start soon as it is a blight on the game. Of course all the old dinosaurs like myself are reminded that we would not last jigtime under these new rules. That misses the point entirely: players of all eras adapt to the conditions of the day. In the past, players took particular offence to spitting, head butting and mouthing, and often imposed summary justice; it did not mean a gang of thugs roaming the pitches but there was a strong moral code.
It appeared last week that the indiscipline which bedevilled Kerry last year and which eventually cost them dearly is being tackled. Paul Galvin has no chance this year no matter what he does, but if he had to retaliate when McMenamin grabbed him by the testicles rather than going to ground, he would have been forgiven.
Marc ó Sé backed off at the end when McMenamin lashed out. Jack O'Connor should not have become involved either but it must have been very hard to watch the carry-on of McMenamin, especially with a blind eye turned to this spitefulness. The easy yellow cards went to low-profile players, probably deserved too, but McMenamin should have seen red very early on.
Aside from this, it was a brilliant game played out like a proper championship contest. It seems that the penny has finally dropped in Kerry and they have accepted that their team is not as good as Tyrone and they have to get four or five new players who won't cave in when the going gets tough.
In most of the big games involving these two sides, Tyrone have choked Kerry in the last quarter because they have had men of iron will. McMenamin, to be fair to him, has been one of them. One who has never shirked a challenge and has often led a fightback. Now, in the cold light of post-game analysis, he will be easy to talk to and Harte will be having his own quiet word with him on his responsibilities.
With Kerry turning to the old bloodlines of Moran, Walsh and O'Shea, there is plenty of hope. The breeding suggests men who will stand up and get better when the challenge is at its most intense. Daniel Bohan has a place too if he wants it badly enough while Darren O'Sullivan will surely figure more often from the start, especially if his kicking improves.
Neutrals will hope that these two teams meet a couple of times more. The two best sides, and they might even be getting better if Sunday is anything to go by, and no matter what the rules they will be going at it hammer and tongs.
And into the mix it would be important to have McMenamin and Galvin, even if they are toned down slightly.
This is what Dermot Crowe had to say:
IN Omagh we have come to expect the unexpected; so it proved last Sunday when Kerry arrived in town. They set about their business dutifully and by half-time, playing some delightful football, had the match virtually won. Only for some misses by Tommy Walsh they'd have been out of sight when the Tyrone recovery kicked into motion.
But football was only part of the narrative. It wasn't a hugely acrimonious match but how can any self-respecting Tyrone football follower not have left Healy Park last Sunday without wondering if it is time that something strong was whispered in the ear of Ryan McMenamin, as opposed to the other way round.
He has had plenty to say to opposing players over the years and returned to his old tricks again last Sunday, taunting Colm Cooper, trying to provoke players into rows, snarling, sniping, a hideous example to anyone watching. He followed Cooper around the field like some demented Jack Russell, berating him, invading his personal space. And he stayed on the field when others saw the line. He beat the system, for now.
Seeing him badger a player like Cooper, and the bemused look on the Killarney man's face, was to witness the two disparate polar points bleakly converging; the arthouse and the doghouse. For the sake of the game, you know which of those must prevail. Thankfully, Kerry won the day with Cooper helping himself to a decent portion of the scoring. Football triumphed.
What sort of example is McMenamin setting, or is this important at all? Is it too Tommie Gorman? Are we to condone young players in Tyrone, say 10-year-olds, chewing the ears off one another, spewing abuse, or would we prefer them to be defying angles with immaculate points modelled on Seán Cavanagh and Stephen O'Neill? Does any of that matter? Yes it does. It matters a great deal.
The chairman of the committee which produced the current set of experimental disciplinary rules has called on Tyrone manager Mickey Harte to take action against McMenamin. Liam O'Neill said the onus should not always be on a central authority to punish players who step out of line. He also said the Tyrone County Board should act, and recommended that the player be banned for one match. In that he is dead right.
This follows a number of incidents at Omagh, the most notorious being when the Tyrone defender made contact with Paul Galvin's groin while play was stopped. The Kerry player went down, a little too theatrically for the referee, who issued him with a black card. But the referee had not seen the incident that preceded his fall.
Currently the Central Competitions Control Committee is waiting to meet and study the incidents, as their chairman Jimmy Dunne won't be back from holiday until early in the week. McMenamin is facing a possible four-week suspension. Among the other incidents is the verbal sparring with Cooper, a practice he has become renowned for over the years.
Afterwards, Harte backed the new rules although it was ironic that they were unable to pinpoint the misdemeanours of one of his central players. Much still depends on interpretation and McMenamin's escape was a triumph of cynicism. He stayed on the field, picking up one black card, when he could have been sent off twice over. He has cynicism down to a fine art but the video replays look set to catch him out.
O'Neill was appalled by what he saw and said McMenamin's behaviour was sullying the reputation of Gaelic football. "I have great admiration for him as a footballer but if an act occurs that, as I would see it, offends masculinity I think team management has a responsibility to do something. The same goes for the county board. They cannot turn a blind eye."
McMenamin's was a shocking display of contempt for the rules and he left the pitch without a shred of dignity. Marc ó Sé showed the cop-on and example required when he wheeled away from McMenamin with time up. The temptation to give him a box must have been almost overwhelming.
Its getting worse! Maybe a new rule should be introduced so that players aren't allowed to stand within 5 yards of Cooper during games? McMenamin was stupid but the over reaction has been a joke and showed the lengths people are prepared to go to, to get a dig at Tyrone.
I think the berating him comment is the main thing to take there lad.
Quote from: orangeman on February 21, 2009, 05:18:50 PM
Last Sunday in Omagh Ryan McMenamin tapped Paul Galvin in what was reported as 'the groin area'. Let me tell you what the groin area means in grown-up speak. It is the testicles. Galvin went down in a heap, but, to his credit, he jumped up right away.
If Galvin had reacted by striking McMenamin, his season, and possibly his career, was effectively over, as it would be highly unlikely Kerry would put up with anymore indiscipline on his part.
- Billy Keane
fear, in billys defence thats exactly my take on it. mcmenamin only reason for doing what he did was to get galvin to react so he would then be condemned all over again and his football career would be over. mcmenamin has also been at this mouthing for years and lets call a spade a spade is nothing but a p***k. he will still be a p***k if hes still around next september..
How ironic is it that the only one of these columnists that we actually wanted to read on this issue, is the only one that has ignored it completely?
:-\
Can't agree that Galvin's career would have been over? I don;t get it, don;t think too many Kerry fans would have blamed him.
Quote from: longrunsthefox on February 22, 2009, 11:44:37 AM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on February 22, 2009, 01:48:50 AM
Its pretty amazing how the actions of Mcmenamin are being excused on here....that was a very perverted act and, frankly, we dont need his type in the game. I think a 6 month ban is appropriate...there were plenty of Tymoanies calling for 6 months for Paul Galvin last year over a nothing incident...the monobrowed groper should get at least 6 months if not more.
Home comes the Fox from a welcome soujourn in the USA and met with this carry-on. Mike you will find a lot of Tyrone people are appaled by McMenamins behaviour and expect the manager to do something about it or say something. That was not the case with Galvin in Kerry last year and when he came on in the All Ireland final Kerry supporters went crazy...not that he made any difference. Some role model he is too. Him and Ricey are flip sides of the same coin....
I hope you are having a good trip .With regards Paul GalvinI did not meet any kerry supporter that suggested that Paul Galvin escape with out any punishment last year .indeed I met some who thought that the 6 month ban was appropriate .A lot of kerry fans were sick of the carry\on of Galvin and other Kerry players last year .
I doubt if 6 month bans will feature here
He doesn;t deserve six months. A month would be sufficient.
Thats the thing... im not sure any ban is sufficiant enough. Ban's are there so players can be pucished for their actions, in an effort to make sure that they don't transgress again. Does anyone truly believe that if given a Month's ban, in which McMenamin would miss just one league game, that he would change his ways and give Darran O'Sullivan a big hug and Kiss on his way to collecting Sam this September?
No. I don't think a 6 month ban would even change his ways to be honest with ye!
Then again no one thaought Galvin would change. 12 months on and we've seen a marked improvement in his dicipline.
Thats it then a life ban it is. Maybe the public should be able to vote on which players are allowed to play our games? The likes of Dara O'Se should maybe be banned too, he doesnt seem to learn from his suspensions either. What about Kieran Donaghy, should he be allowed to play ever again after that gesture in Mayo last year?
Galvin's played 3 county games since his ban - one as a sub - so I'm not sure we can comment on his discipline yet. He did act the maggot when Ricey touched him up though.
...and round...and round...and round...
Quote from: ONeill on February 22, 2009, 08:32:28 PM
...and round...and round...and round...
The quiz is more interesting
I heard a short while ago, Ricey got 6 weeks. Anyone else hear that?
yep, heard the exact same, heard hes gonna appeal it and prob get it down to 3 weeks too. dont know how true that is though!
Hope not. He should just accept it. Could end up backfiring on him and making it worst.
Quote from: ziggysego on February 23, 2009, 12:21:36 AM
Hope not. He should just accept it. Could end up backfiring on him and making it worst.
Could be worse ;)
Quote from: Tyrones own on February 23, 2009, 12:26:13 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on February 23, 2009, 12:21:36 AM
Hope not. He should just accept it. Could end up backfiring on him and making it worst.
Could be worse ;)
Good job Puck isn't a mod ;)
yeh he's better of accepting it, not as if he is gonna miss much! might clean up his image a little........ :-[ who am i kidding?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 22, 2009, 04:31:43 PM
Glad to see that O'Rourke's memory is so short in regard to his own team's antics, the full article:
Whats that supposed to mean?
When did a meath man every grab an opposition player by the balls?
Quote from: Jinxy on February 23, 2009, 12:54:11 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 22, 2009, 04:31:43 PM
Glad to see that O'Rourke's memory is so short in regard to his own team's antics, the full article:
Whats that supposed to mean?
When did a meath man every grab an opposition player by the balls?
Are you saying they never did?
Whatever happened to this innocent wee lad?
(http://dynimg.rte.ie/0001baaf189r.jpg)
He was just so excited just to be playing Kerry back in the day.
well if he got the 6 weeks im sure he wont be lying under the sunbed like a few of the kerry lads, roll on the mayo game riceys return i will be in the front row mc hale park cheering for our captain ;D ;D ;D
Puck said earlier on another thread that if he was the mod, he'd ban me on account of my bad spelling...
Quote from: magickingdom on February 22, 2009, 05:55:07 PM
Quote from: orangeman on February 21, 2009, 05:18:50 PM
Last Sunday in Omagh Ryan McMenamin tapped Paul Galvin in what was reported as 'the groin area'. Let me tell you what the groin area means in grown-up speak. It is the testicles. Galvin went down in a heap, but, to his credit, he jumped up right away.
If Galvin had reacted by striking McMenamin, his season, and possibly his career, was effectively over, as it would be highly unlikely Kerry would put up with anymore indiscipline on his part.
- Billy Keane
fear, in billys defence thats exactly my take on it. mcmenamin only reason for doing what he did was to get galvin to react so he would then be condemned all over again and his football career would be over. mcmenamin has also been at this mouthing for years and lets call a spade a spade is nothing but a p***k. he will still be a p***k if hes still around next september..
Do you think Galvin or any other Kerry player is a p***k as well?
Quote from: ziggysego on February 23, 2009, 12:01:20 AM
I heard a short while ago, Ricey got 6 weeks. Anyone else hear that?
Picked up a 6 week ban alright -
Why 6 weeks and not 4 or 8 ? Which offence was it ?
Which was worse Meath men, Riceys antics as horrible as they were or your much vaunted full back breaking Murphys fingers in the handshake before the match?
Ricey has been martyred.
Quote from: orangeman on February 23, 2009, 09:15:08 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on February 23, 2009, 12:01:20 AM
I heard a short while ago, Ricey got 6 weeks. Anyone else hear that?
Picked up a 6 week ban alright -
Why 6 weeks and not 4 or 8 ? Which offence was it ?
didnt know you could get a 6 week ban at adult level?
Quote from: rrhf on February 23, 2009, 09:16:52 AM
Which was worse Meath men, Riceys antics as horrible as they were or your much vaunted full back breaking Murphys fingers in the handshake before the match?
Which fingers were they rrhf ?? Which incident are you referring to ?
Meath men wouldn't have done anything like that now would they ?
I think 6 weeks is about right. Too much furore kicked up by the southern media (they will get the rules changed again if they thought it would stop Ulster teams winning) to have only a 4 week ban, altough 6 weeks is strange.
It should be accepted and you can bet your bottom dollar that Harte will turn it into a motivational tool come late summer.
Apparently he had the choice of a six week suspension or getting his balls squeezed every morning for a fortnight and he chose the suspension.
Quote from: tonesfirstandlast on February 23, 2009, 10:03:20 AM
Apparently he had the choice of a six week suspension or getting his balls squeezed every morning for a fortnight and he chose the suspension.
Who was the proposed squeezer???
Quote from: Final Whistle on February 23, 2009, 10:35:12 AM
Quote from: tonesfirstandlast on February 23, 2009, 10:03:20 AM
Apparently he had the choice of a six week suspension or getting his balls squeezed every morning for a fortnight and he chose the suspension.
Who was the proposed squeezer???
There would have been no shortage of volunteers!!!! ;D
Quote from: Final Whistle on February 23, 2009, 09:36:03 AM
I think 6 weeks is about right. Too much furore kicked up by the southern media (they will get the rules changed again if they thought it would stop Ulster teams winning) to have only a 4 week ban, altough 6 weeks is strange.
It should be accepted and you can bet your bottom dollar that Harte will turn it into a motivational tool come late summer.
:D
Just had it confirmed from a very good source. 6 weeks for Ricey.
Quote from: Final Whistle on February 23, 2009, 10:35:12 AM
Quote from: tonesfirstandlast on February 23, 2009, 10:03:20 AM
Apparently he had the choice of a six week suspension or getting his balls squeezed every morning for a fortnight and he chose the suspension.
Who was the proposed squeezer???
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Ambrose O'Donovan.
Quote from: ziggysego on February 23, 2009, 11:04:43 AM
Just had it confirmed from a very good source. 6 weeks for Ricey.
You mean every paper? ;)
Don't think he'll be appealing it, or at least won't be advised to appeal it - from a conversation I had last week with some learned legal counsel.
Six weeks for sexual assault seems a bit lenient!!
Quote from: corn02 on February 23, 2009, 11:52:13 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on February 23, 2009, 11:04:43 AM
Just had it confirmed from a very good source. 6 weeks for Ricey.
You mean every paper? ;)
Was it in the paper? I looked in the Irish News this morning and couldn't see.
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 23, 2009, 12:21:30 PM
Six weeks for sexual assault seems a bit lenient!!
Sexual assault? Who did that? Was it caught off camera?
Quote from: ziggysego on February 23, 2009, 12:23:39 PM
Quote from: corn02 on February 23, 2009, 11:52:13 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on February 23, 2009, 11:04:43 AM
Just had it confirmed from a very good source. 6 weeks for Ricey.
You mean every paper? ;)
Was it in the paper? I looked in the Irish News this morning and couldn't see.
It is.
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 23, 2009, 12:21:30 PM
Six weeks for sexual assault seems a bit lenient!!
Is that speaking from personal experience ?
I'm going blind corn02. lol
Six weeks for the testicle groper. Very strange. I was expecting 3 months followed by an appeal, getting it either reduced or eliminated altogether. Hopefully there'll be no appeal and that'll be the end of it.
Though I'm sure there'll be opposition fans who won't be slow to remind him of his public display of affection for another man's penis!
Not that'll bother the bould Ricey!
Hopefully he takes it on the chin and we can move on
exactly
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 23, 2009, 01:19:09 PM
Hopefully he takes it on the chin and we can move on
It's "only the league" so I'd reckon there will be no appeal. Different matter if it was the summer though.
Will be interesting to see how often video evidence is used during the league.
Quote from: rrhf on February 23, 2009, 09:16:52 AM
Which was worse Meath men, Riceys antics as horrible as they were or your much vaunted full back breaking Murphys fingers in the handshake before the match?
I'm still scratching my head about this one. ???
Quote from: Jinxy on February 23, 2009, 04:38:48 PM
Quote from: rrhf on February 23, 2009, 09:16:52 AM
Which was worse Meath men, Riceys antics as horrible as they were or your much vaunted full back breaking Murphys fingers in the handshake before the match?
I'm still scratching my head about this one. ???
Canavan was holding his head
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 23, 2009, 01:19:09 PM
Hopefully he takes it on the chin and we can move on
Hopefully he appeals and we can move on.
Quote from: ziggysego on February 23, 2009, 04:44:17 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 23, 2009, 04:38:48 PM
Quote from: rrhf on February 23, 2009, 09:16:52 AM
Which was worse Meath men, Riceys antics as horrible as they were or your much vaunted full back breaking Murphys fingers in the handshake before the match?
I'm still scratching my head about this one. ???
Canavan was holding his head
Was this when he hurt his ankle?
No, he was holding his head prior to McDerrmott doing the judas on him.
Quote from: Jinxy on February 23, 2009, 05:07:05 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on February 23, 2009, 04:44:17 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 23, 2009, 04:38:48 PM
Quote from: rrhf on February 23, 2009, 09:16:52 AM
Which was worse Meath men, Riceys antics as horrible as they were or your much vaunted full back breaking Murphys fingers in the handshake before the match?
I'm still scratching my head about this one. ???
Canavan was holding his head
Was this when he hurt his ankle?
It's hard to keep up with all the savagery against Tyrone over the years!
But as you quite rightly pointed out. Didn't nearly take the head of PtG, just wrecked his ankled in the brutal of fashions. ;)
I was talking about Dublin keep scratching that head in confused indignation... ;)
Newsflash - Mc Menamin is to appeal his 6 week ban.
Hardly any surprise there ?
He's right to appeal, a 4 week ban would have been plenty for something that was silly more than anything else. Also as discussed on another thread the inconsistant use of video evidence is very annoying.
Yeah I think 6 weeks or 8 even would be fair for an action like that. But it's another example of one rule for all not being applied, didn't the ball poking hurler get 4 weeks and Paddy Campbell 4 weeks? It's only that fact that it would be 4 games that would have caused an appeal to be lodged, the time based and not game based suspensions has beena joke for a long time.
Quote from: Bensars on February 23, 2009, 12:41:43 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 23, 2009, 12:21:30 PM
Six weeks for sexual assault seems a bit lenient!!
Is that speaking from personal experience ?
::) i was being sarcastic in repsonse to peoples claims that it was an assault of that nature! Maybe i dont use enough smiley faces in my posts! ::)
Should have been six months.
I believe an article from Billy Keane was posted earlier in this thread, perhaps, for the sake of consistency of course, this great defender of liberty and fairness can now pen a piece in defence of the boul' Riceman.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/different-strokes-for-hurling-folks-1456890.html
"Croke Park are excellent on dogma. They didn't break any rules, but they broke Galvin's Ricey's heart with their rigid enforcement of the code. I hope our boys give them their answer and go on to win Sam."
Disgraceful decision. This perverted action deserves more than a paltry 6 weeks. Another example of the Northern media defending the indefensible and getting their fella off.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on February 23, 2009, 07:15:44 PM
Disgraceful decision. This perverted action deserves more than a paltry 6 weeks. Another example of the Northern media defending the indefensible and getting their fella off.
are you joking galvin attacks the ref and gets a 3 match ban ricey gently taps galvin and gets a 4 match ban and your bitching about the northern media
jez you kerry boys are some craic
Disgraceful decision. A warning would have sufficed. Unfortunately, the broader GAA community has succummed to witchunt mania. Only a matter of time before the gaelic pitch becomes a barren wasteground of pansies, watched by middle aged do-gooders with salmon coloured golfing jumpers around their shoulders! Free the Dromore one!
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 23, 2009, 06:59:28 PM
Should have been six months.
I wouldn't quite go that far though I do agree it should have been more. The monobrow should count himself lucky they didn't hit him with bringing the Association into disrepute. I would say that not even the TCB's smartest solicitor could have got him away with that after his antics throughout the game and after it too.
All the thanks Ricey gets for launching his own personal testicular cancer awareness week, albeit on someone else's person.
Quote from: tyssam5 on February 23, 2009, 07:00:29 PM
I believe an article from Billy Keane was posted earlier in this thread, perhaps, for the sake of consistency of course, this great defender of liberty and fairness can now pen a piece in defence of the boul' Riceman.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/different-strokes-for-hurling-folks-1456890.html
"Croke Park are excellent on dogma. They didn't break any rules, but they broke Galvin's Ricey's heart with their rigid enforcement of the code. I hope our boys give them their answer and go on to win Sam."
I really can't believe that article, how can he write the doomsday like nonsense about ricey after that article no more than 6 months ago, what a hypocryte
hard to believe a kerry man turning the situation around to suit himself
QuoteDisgraceful decision. This perverted action deserves more than a paltry 6 weeks.
You are right. Look at what the poor Kerry women have to endure a life-time of!
Seen Ricey cup Galvin again and Galvin drop like a sack of spuds. 6 Weeks is outragous. It was a harmless cupping and nothing more than a little bit of messing. Wathced it on the news with non-gaa friends who thought it was harmless and had a good laugh they were calling Ricey a cheeky monkey. The behaviour of the Cork players is doing untold damage to the GAA while Ricey brings a little harmless fun and a welcome distraction. Sort youselves out anyone looking for a ban.
Ricey for President.
I watched it with a soccer fan on Saturday. He laughed and said I was craic telling him soccer is a pantomime sport.
I watched it wiht a soccer fan and he said he should get 6 months ban.
Quote from: ziggysego on February 23, 2009, 09:29:31 PM
I watched it with a soccer fan on Saturday. He laughed and said I was craic telling him soccer is a pantomime sport.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 23, 2009, 09:35:13 PM
I watched it wiht a soccer fan and he said he should get 6 months ban.
Oh no you didn't!
Quote from: Mickeys beard on February 23, 2009, 08:14:27 PM
Disgraceful decision. A warning would have sufficed.
Eh? What purpose would a warning serve? A ban is totally appropriate.
Quote from: Zapatista on February 23, 2009, 09:16:51 PM
Seen Ricey cup Galvin again and Galvin drop like a sack of spuds. 6 Weeks is outragous. It was a harmless cupping and nothing more than a little bit of messing. Wathced it on the news with non-gaa friends who thought it was harmless and had a good laugh they were calling Ricey a cheeky monkey. The behaviour of the Cork players is doing untold damage to the GAA while Ricey brings a little harmless fun and a welcome distraction. Sort youselves out anyone looking for a ban.
Ricey for President.
If someone grabbed you by the bollocks , would you consider it to be a harmless cupping and and little bit of messing; I certainly wouldn't? McMenamin is a thug, not a "cheeky monkey", and he behaved as such throughout much of last week's match and indeed not for the first time! Although a talented player his behaviour during matches is so often downright wrong and shows scant respect for our game and its players and followers.
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If someone grabbed you by the bollocks , would you consider it to be a harmless cupping and and little bit of messing;
Maybe he would...
Quote from: Sandy Hill on February 23, 2009, 10:10:58 PM
Quote from: Zapatista on February 23, 2009, 09:16:51 PM
Seen Ricey cup Galvin again and Galvin drop like a sack of spuds. 6 Weeks is outragous. It was a harmless cupping and nothing more than a little bit of messing. Wathced it on the news with non-gaa friends who thought it was harmless and had a good laugh they were calling Ricey a cheeky monkey. The behaviour of the Cork players is doing untold damage to the GAA while Ricey brings a little harmless fun and a welcome distraction. Sort youselves out anyone looking for a ban.
Ricey for President.
If someone grabbed you by the bollocks , would you consider it to be a harmless cupping and and little bit of messing; I certainly wouldn't? McMenamin is a thug, not a "cheeky monkey", and he behaved as such throughout much of last week's match and indeed not for the first time! Although a talented player his behaviour during matches is so often downright wrong and shows scant respect for our game and its players and followers.
Depends on the circumstances. Stop with the drama FFS.
Below is a quote from an other message board. Is there any truth in what is said?:
Depends on how they look at it. When Galvin punched Stephen Lavin, I think it was, in the balls in the 2004 Munster Final, not a blind bit of notice was paid to it, though it was caught clearly on camera. When Dara O Sé grabbed, and viciously twisted, the balls of Austin O'Malley ( with O'Malley contorted in genuine pain, and not the acting that Galvin was at yesterday either) of Mayo in the All Ireland QF the same year, nothing was said.,
Surprised by Tyrone appealing this decision, it's only bringing ridicule on them. His display in Healy park that day was littered with acts of petulance and by appealing the severity of the sentence the only benefit Tyrone can gather from this farce is building a siege mentality and a cause for the year....let's do it for Ricey, nobody loves us.
Quote from: ziggysego on February 23, 2009, 09:29:31 PM
I watched it with a soccer fan on Saturday. He laughed and said I was craic telling him soccer is a pantomime sport.
I watched it with a darts fan and he said he should have got 6 years for it.
Whilst I have no wish to see Ricey suspended, I would like someone from the Tyrone County Board and / or Mickey Harte (whoever decided to appeal the suspension) to tell me where exactly the line is in terms of the accepting suspensions? Is anything that the referee doesn't see / act upon at the time and a post game suspension is imposed fair game for appeal? Is it a case of anything that has a successful chance of appeal will be fought? There comes a point when people have to look at what they're condoning and wise the f**k up.
Quote from: tyrone86 on February 23, 2009, 11:57:19 PM
Whilst I have no wish to see Ricey suspended, I would like someone from the Tyrone County Board and / or Mickey Harte (whoever decided to appeal the suspension) to tell me where exactly the line is in terms of the accepting suspensions? Is anything that the referee doesn't see / act upon at the time and a post game suspension is imposed fair game for appeal? Is it a case of anything that has a successful chance of appeal will be fought? There comes a point when people have to look at what they're condoning and wise the f**k up.
One Tyronie talking sense anyway :)
While Ricey deserves a ban this thread has got a bit ridiculous. It wasn't as bad as Tom Kenny's with the hurl the other year or wasn't it Enda Muldoon against Donegal the other year? He is far from the first to do this in a match. The claims of sexual assault are ridiculous.
That said he was behaving like a tr**p all day that day. His provocation of Marc O'Se at the end was nothing short of thuggish behaviour which there's no place for on a footall field. In that regard I'm glad he's banned. Like is said here - great footballer but a madman at times.
Appealing the decisions is a joke too.Shouldn't be done.
The thing that really bugged me during the match was the constant goading of opponents from mc menamin, he was always in someones face trying to provoke a reaction, to me he was walking around the pitch as if he was above the laws of our game and untouchable. The incident with Galvin was a trampish action however 6 month bans etc are madness.. The ban issued is more than appropriate. I just find it rich that micky Harte can talk about every other thing in relation to gaa including international rules, maximizing the exposure of teams to HQ etc etc, however he won't Make a stand and block an appeal which would let the player realise that this sort of thuggery has no place in our sport. Personally I also found it ammusing that on the same day the "respect" campaign was launched between Tyrone Gaa and Glentoran Fc!!
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on February 23, 2009, 07:15:44 PM
Disgraceful decision. This perverted action deserves more than a paltry 6 weeks. Another example of the Northern media defending the indefensible and getting their fella off.
Please post one example of any media outlet (Northern or otherwise) who has defended McMenamin's actions? I you can I will change my avatar to Galvin lifting Sam.
QuoteYou are right. Look at what the poor Kerry women have to endure a life-time of!
You should be more concerned with Tyrone women, and them playing with bananas while all the menfolk are away cupping each other's gonads.
Out of respect for the next opponents of each team this weekend I think this thread should be wound down. Sheehy you should be strung up.. by yer nads - any man on the internet at that time of the morning has only a partial interest in the GAA board, dont talk to the rest of us about cupping....
This link sums up the reaction on this thread -
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=3000321
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on February 23, 2009, 11:58:52 PM
Quote from: tyrone86 on February 23, 2009, 11:57:19 PM
Whilst I have no wish to see Ricey suspended, I would like someone from the Tyrone County Board and / or Mickey Harte (whoever decided to appeal the suspension) to tell me where exactly the line is in terms of the accepting suspensions? Is anything that the referee doesn't see / act upon at the time and a post game suspension is imposed fair game for appeal? Is it a case of anything that has a successful chance of appeal will be fought? There comes a point when people have to look at what they're condoning and wise the f**k up.
One Tyronie talking sense anyway :)
Bit rich from the county who got an appeal revoked due to the mis-spelling (in irish) of a players name.
Quote from: Final Whistle on February 24, 2009, 08:48:17 AM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on February 23, 2009, 11:58:52 PM
Quote from: tyrone86 on February 23, 2009, 11:57:19 PM
Whilst I have no wish to see Ricey suspended, I would like someone from the Tyrone County Board and / or Mickey Harte (whoever decided to appeal the suspension) to tell me where exactly the line is in terms of the accepting suspensions? Is anything that the referee doesn't see / act upon at the time and a post game suspension is imposed fair game for appeal? Is it a case of anything that has a successful chance of appeal will be fought? There comes a point when people have to look at what they're condoning and wise the f**k up.
One Tyronie talking sense anyway :)
Bit rich from the county who got an appeal revoked due to the mis-spelling (in irish) of a players name.
What are you on about?
I dont feel that Ricey should have recieved a 6 week ban, but it raises bigger issues! Are the GAA going to consistently impose retrospective bans throughout the league, if so does it mean that bigger teams, whose games tend to be on more regularly have a bigger chance of facing suspensions ( i appreciate this is being discussed on another thread - sorry!)! Also, when are the GAA going to introduce a system where a person gets banned for a specific number of games in the competition in which the offense occured! It seems silly to me (regardless of my personal views on the ban) that a 6 week band means 4 games will be missed and a 4 week ban will mean only 1 game! Not very consistant i reckon!
Tis a bit of childish nonsense in February from Ricey and The Galvinator, 2 binlids but sure they are allowed a bit of craic/ messin/skelpin in February.; Both men should have been yellow carded. One man for the wind up and one for the fall down.
Will it have any bearing on later in the year? I feel not, Last I heard Galvins high pitch voice had already returned to normal.
It wont affect the championship but it will probably cost Tyrone their shot at the national league though which to me looks set to be a Derry Kerry final. The real league shadowboxing will take place this weekend in Bellaghy. I hope the cameras stay on the ball.
Not a bit surprised with the appeal, typical. Take yer oil and move the f**k on
Quote from: rrhf on February 24, 2009, 11:02:15 AM
Tis a bit of childish nonsense in February from Ricey and The Galvinator, 2 binlids but sure they are allowed a bit of craic/ messin/skelpin in February.; Both men should have been yellow carded. One man for the wind up and one for the fall down.
Will it have any bearing on later in the year? I feel not, Last I heard Galvins high pitch voice had already returned to normal.
It wont affect the championship but it will probably cost Tyrone their shot at the national league though which to me looks set to be a Derry Kerry final. The real league shadowboxing will take place this weekend in Bellaghy. I hope the cameras stay on the ball.
::) have you never been hit in the balls? How did Galvin deserve a yellow card?
Quote from: rrhf on February 24, 2009, 07:39:36 AM
Out of respect for the next opponents of each team this weekend I think this thread should be wound down. Sheehy you should be strung up.. by yer nads - any man on the internet at that time of the morning has only a partial interest in the GAA board, dont talk to the rest of us about cupping....
You, sir, are full of shite!
Quote from: Zapatista on February 24, 2009, 07:52:33 AM
This link sums up the reaction on this thread -
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=3000321
:D :D :D :D now that made me laugh...thanx
Good man Mickey, what a rock of sense...
Red Hands boss slams 'Ricey' ban
By Brendan Crossan
24/02/2009
MICKEY Harte has slammed the extremity of the six-week ban meted out to Ryan McMenamin – but willingly accepted the defender's behaviour was "not good enough".
Tyrone defender McMenamin (below) has been hit with the ban for grabbing Kerry player Paul Galvin by the privates, for which he will miss four NFL games. Harte yesterday confirmed an appeal would be launched, while the player has asked for a personal hearing. McMenamin was charged with infringing Category II ("striking or attempting to strike with arm, elbow or knee" or "behaving in any way which is dangerous to an opponent"), which normally carries a four or eight-week ban, but rarely six weeks. "Ryan McMenamin, like any other player, will cross over the line from time-to-time and if he's found guilty of that then he's prepared to take whatever comes his way, provided it is the correct punishment," said Harte. "I have no doubt that that particular sentence will be challenged or appealed." The Tyrone manager has spoken to the Dromore defender about his on-field conduct during last week's National League game against Kerry, but maintained the punishment didn't fit the crime.
Harte added: "We all agree that it wasn't the proper thing to do and didn't look good. Ryan has acknowledged and recognised that and I have no doubt that he would accept the requisite punishment, but I don't think he should be getting anything more severe than that. "If we're talking about the severity of the incident then there was absolutely no injury to the player; he was able to continue on. "That is, in no way, to condone what he did because it wasn't good enough and Ryan has agreed with that, and he has regrets for what he has done."
The three-time All-Ireland-winning manager also expressed concern with some of the media coverage that followed the incident involving McMenamin and Galvin. In his Sunday Independent column, former Meath player and RTE pundit Colm O'Rourke described McMenamin as a "brat" and labelled him a "disgrace". While not referring directly to O'Rourke's comments, Harte added: "There are a lot of people quick to take the high moral ground and indeed some of them would fall into the category of 'people in glass houses (or used to) shouldn't throw stones'. "I don't think it is for anyone else to make those judgements. There is a code of conduct that we all try to adhere to and when people break that code of conduct there are sanctions – and those sanctions should be appropriate."
Harte did not stipulate what he would regard a fair punishment for McMenamin's indiscretion. If the six-week ban is upheld, the player will miss games against Galway, Westmeath, Donegal and Derry, but is free to play against Mayo on April 12. Harte said: "Until everything is done and dusted, I think everybody else would do well to hold their own counsel and opinion to themselves where it ultimately belongs. "Probably one of the most difficult things in life is to be objective. We're much better in being subjective and I've no doubt that people in the media fall into that same category quite often."
Meanwhile, Harte has been encouraged by Stephen O'Neill's progress from a knee injury sustained against Dublin. The former Allstar attacker will be back within a "four to six-week period" from the date of the injury on January 31.
What does it matter whether or not Galvin was able to play on?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 24, 2009, 02:00:46 PM
Good man Mickey, what a rock of sense...
Red Hands boss slams 'Ricey' ban
By Brendan Crossan
24/02/2009
Tyrone defender McMenamin (below) has been hit with the ban for grabbing Kerry player Paul Galvin by the privates, for which he will miss four NFL games. Harte yesterday confirmed an appeal would be launched, while the player has asked for a personal hearing. McMenamin was charged with infringing Category II ("striking or attempting to strike with arm, elbow or knee" or "behaving in any way which is dangerous to an opponent"), which normally carries a four or eight-week ban, but rarely six weeks. "Ryan McMenamin, like any other player, will cross over the line from time-to-time and if he's found guilty of that then he's prepared to take whatever comes his way, provided it is the correct punishment," said Harte. "I have no doubt that that particular sentence will be challenged or appealed." The Tyrone manager has spoken to the Dromore defender about his on-field conduct during last week's National League game against Kerry, but maintained the punishment didn't fit the crime.
Yes, Mickey, you are quite correct. That, as he has proved in the past, is exactly what he is prepared to do.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 24, 2009, 02:00:46 PM
Good man Mickey, what a rock of sense...
Don't take away their ball Fear.
Quote from: SidelineKick on February 24, 2009, 02:34:40 PM
What does it matter whether or not Galvin was able to play on?
If he's unable to play on he's been injured in a malicious attack, therefore there's malice aforethought -- a basic tenet of culpability in any legal system, sporting or otherwise. And to those that allege 'sexual assault', I put it to you that you've a clue about neither.
* It's back now Zap ;)
Quote from: Zapatista on February 23, 2009, 09:16:51 PM
Seen Ricey cup Galvin again and Galvin drop like a sack of spuds. 6 Weeks is outragous. It was a harmless cupping and nothing more than a little bit of messing. Wathced it on the news with non-gaa friends who thought it was harmless and had a good laugh they were calling Ricey a cheeky monkey. The behaviour of the Cork players is doing untold damage to the GAA while Ricey brings a little harmless fun and a welcome distraction. Sort youselves out anyone looking for a ban.
Ricey for President.
My wee lad tapped me in the balls one day and I went down like a sack of spuds. Maybe Galvin and I have the most sensitive privates in Ireland ( I wish I had other things in common with him like being able to play football). My lad had the excuse that he was only 8 and had no sense but Ricey must be 20 years older so he knew exactly what he was doing.
As far as I'm concerned any individual's privates are sacred and should only be 'cupped' by the owner or caressed gently by a member of the fairer sex who has only the owner's pleasure in mind.
Ricey should do his time like a man.
Quote from: thebuzz on February 24, 2009, 03:26:49 PM
Quote from: Zapatista on February 23, 2009, 09:16:51 PM
Seen Ricey cup Galvin again and Galvin drop like a sack of spuds. 6 Weeks is outragous. It was a harmless cupping and nothing more than a little bit of messing. Wathced it on the news with non-gaa friends who thought it was harmless and had a good laugh they were calling Ricey a cheeky monkey. The behaviour of the Cork players is doing untold damage to the GAA while Ricey brings a little harmless fun and a welcome distraction. Sort youselves out anyone looking for a ban.
Ricey for President.
My wee lad tapped me in the balls one day and I went down like a sack of spuds. Maybe Galvin and I have the most sensitive privates in Ireland ( I wish I had other things in common with him like being able to play football). My lad had the excuse that he was only 8 and had no sense but Ricey must be 20 years older so he knew exactly what he was doing.
As far as I'm concerned any individual's privates are sacred and should only be 'cupped' by the owner or caressed gently by a member of the fairer sex who has only the owner's pleasure in mind.
Ricey should do his time like a man.
What's the chances of that when MH and TCB are bleating on that 'it's not fair'?
6 MONTHS wouldn't be enough for him
Quote from: Abble on February 24, 2009, 03:51:52 PM
6 MONTHS wouldn't be enough for him
Was this your reaction when you seen Ziggy post the 6 week ban?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R2V_A3nd_Y
Wish they would lock this thread now. This topic is getting pretty boring by now! He is getting punished whether its gonna be 6 weeks or whatever. Talk of sexual assault and 6 month bans is pure crap in my opinion!!
What exactly does he say at a hearing? ???
I hardly touched him?
It was just a light squeeze?
Here - you put your nuts out there and Ill show you how gentle I was?
Seriously - whats the precedent for appealing this?
Quote from: Puckoon on February 24, 2009, 04:12:52 PM
Here - you put your nuts out there and Ill show you how gentle I was?
Seriously - whats the precedent for appealing this?
:D :D
Quote from: Puckoon on February 24, 2009, 04:12:52 PM
What exactly does he say at a hearing? ???
I hardly touched him?
It was just a light squeeze?
Here - you put your nuts out there and Ill show you how gentle I was?
Seriously - whats the precedent for appealing this?
Wouldn't you love to be a fly in the pants when that is going on ?
Quote from: Puckoon on February 24, 2009, 04:12:52 PM
What exactly does he say at a hearing? ???
I hardly touched him?
It was just a light squeeze?
Here - you put your nuts out there and Ill show you how gentle I was?
Seriously - whats the precedent for appealing this?
Exactly. Its a load of
balls. The whole thing is driving me
nuts. Anyone who reduces this suspension should get the
sack. This is just the
tip of the iceberg, there'll be more
c**k-ups like this.
Willie get away with it? Personally I hope he gets it
lengthened, would like to see him
shafted.
Listen Im pro player and antigpa and I dont think theres any conflict there, Im certainly no fan of Tyrone football either, but I think Mc Menamin has been hung out to dry here. In fact Im new to this board and if your are going to lynch the players then Ill not be here too long. But Ill ask the crew on here. If it was your own family getting this bad publicity what way would you handle it, I played football myself and amongst other things I once broke a mans jaw after I crossed the white line. It was thuggish and I regretted it but it was certainly worse than Mc Menamens actions. I apologised after the game and visited the fella in hospital - he had stood on my toes all throughout the game - so he was at it too, but we both crossed the white line and alls fair. To be honest it was the silliest thing Ive ever seen in my life, a tad funny too particularly the rection from Galvin and I think he has too sullied his hard man reputation - Its maybe the reason why our gaelic games can never be mixed, the men would all be rolling around the ground. But let the lads play the games, we'll enjoy watching them but leave it out when they stray.
Quote from: antigpa on February 24, 2009, 04:35:37 PM
Listen Im pro player and antigpa and I dont think theres any conflict there, Im certainly no fan of Tyrone football either, but I think Mc Menamin has been hung out to dry here. In fact Im new to this board and if your are going to lynch the players then Ill not be here too long. But Ill ask the crew on here. If it was your own family getting this bad publicity what way would you handle it, I played football myself and amongst other things I once broke a mans jaw after I crossed the white line. It was thuggish and I regretted it but it was certainly worse than Mc Menamens actions. I apologised after the game and visited the fella in hospital - he had stood on my toes all throughout the game - so he was at it too, but we both crossed the white line and alls fair. To be honest it was the silliest thing Ive ever seen in my life, a tad funny too particularly the rection from Galvin and I think he has too sullied his hard man reputation. But let the lads play the games, we'll enjoy watching them but leave it out when they stray.
I'm sure Galvin isnt on here writing about the incident (although he could be), but as supporters we are
allowed obliged to give our opinions on things. Not too often opinions don't differ! Its a forum for discussion. Some of the comments are a bit too far but everyone (within reason) is entitled to share their opinion.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 24, 2009, 02:00:46 PM
Good man Mickey, what a rock of sense...
Red Hands boss slams 'Ricey' ban
By Brendan Crossan
24/02/2009
MICKEY Harte has slammed the extremity of the six-week ban meted out to Ryan McMenamin – but willingly accepted the defender's behaviour was "not good enough".
Tyrone defender McMenamin (below) has been hit with the ban for grabbing Kerry player Paul Galvin by the privates, for which he will miss four NFL games. Harte yesterday confirmed an appeal would be launched, while the player has asked for a personal hearing. McMenamin was charged with infringing Category II ("striking or attempting to strike with arm, elbow or knee" or "behaving in any way which is dangerous to an opponent"), which normally carries a four or eight-week ban, but rarely six weeks. "Ryan McMenamin, like any other player, will cross over the line from time-to-time and if he's found guilty of that then he's prepared to take whatever comes his way, provided it is the correct punishment," said Harte. "I have no doubt that that particular sentence will be challenged or appealed." The Tyrone manager has spoken to the Dromore defender about his on-field conduct during last week's National League game against Kerry, but maintained the punishment didn't fit the crime.
Harte added: "We all agree that it wasn't the proper thing to do and didn't look good. Ryan has acknowledged and recognised that and I have no doubt that he would accept the requisite punishment, but I don't think he should be getting anything more severe than that. "If we're talking about the severity of the incident then there was absolutely no injury to the player; he was able to continue on. "That is, in no way, to condone what he did because it wasn't good enough and Ryan has agreed with that, and he has regrets for what he has done."
The three-time All-Ireland-winning manager also expressed concern with some of the media coverage that followed the incident involving McMenamin and Galvin. In his Sunday Independent column, former Meath player and RTE pundit Colm O'Rourke described McMenamin as a "brat" and labelled him a "disgrace". While not referring directly to O'Rourke's comments, Harte added: "There are a lot of people quick to take the high moral ground and indeed some of them would fall into the category of 'people in glass houses (or used to) shouldn't throw stones'. "I don't think it is for anyone else to make those judgements. There is a code of conduct that we all try to adhere to and when people break that code of conduct there are sanctions – and those sanctions should be appropriate."
Harte did not stipulate what he would regard a fair punishment for McMenamin's indiscretion. If the six-week ban is upheld, the player will miss games against Galway, Westmeath, Donegal and Derry, but is free to play against Mayo on April 12. Harte said: "Until everything is done and dusted, I think everybody else would do well to hold their own counsel and opinion to themselves where it ultimately belongs. "Probably one of the most difficult things in life is to be objective. We're much better in being subjective and I've no doubt that people in the media fall into that same category quite often."
Meanwhile, Harte has been encouraged by Stephen O'Neill's progress from a knee injury sustained against Dublin. The former Allstar attacker will be back within a "four to six-week period" from the date of the injury on January 31.
??? ??? ???
Quote
Harte added: "There are a lot of people quick to take the high moral ground and indeed some of them would fall into the category of 'people in glass houses (or used to) shouldn't throw stones'.
While I have the highest of respect for MH, where does he get off with this sort of statement?? He is quite happy to speak out and be the ambassador on how football should be played, on the internation rules, grants etc. but when something unsavoury he does what a lot of Tyrone posters do here, turn a blind eye. No one can persuade me to believe that McMenamin doesn't deserve a ban. He was acting like a tr**p from the start of the game to the finish and rightfully deserved it. The thing is, he doesn't have to do those sort of thiings. he is a good enough player to be at that
QuoteOut of respect for the next opponents of each team this weekend I think this thread should be wound down. Sheehy you should be strung up.. by yer nads - any man on the internet at that time of the morning has only a partial interest in the GAA board, dont talk to the rest of us about cupping....
duh..homer...ever heard of time zones....also, you can keep your string and yourself away from my nads....... bloody Tymoan perverts ! I'll bet you have a monobrow as well
Mickey has called it right. Colm O'Rourke was some gyppo in his day to go calling anyone a disgrace.
I am losing the respect I have for MH. He should have just said that monobrow would take his punishment like a man.
He is right that some comments in the media have been harsh but like, if you act the maggot you must expect people to say you are a maggot...
Quote from: Puckoon on February 24, 2009, 04:12:52 PM
What exactly does he say at a hearing? ???
I hardly touched him?
It was just a light squeeze?
Here - you put your nuts out there and Ill show you how gentle I was?
Seriously - whats the precedent for appealing this?
Tyrone in my opinion have an excellent case and I think they will get the ban reduced to 4 weeks. Its a very simple case from what I can see. They get the video's of what Paddy Campbell did in 2004 and what Kenny did in the hurling last year. They take them to the hearing and play them. The incidents are similar to what Ricey did but in Kenny's case in particular it was definately much worse than what Ricey did. They point out that both players got 4 weeks for these incidents. They will then ask how can the gaa justify giving Ricey a suspension for 50% longer.
People can say what they like but I really dont see how different players can get different sentences for the same incidents. Its clear that media reaction to Ricey because of who he is has lead to him being treated differently to other players. A clear cut case.
Also did pints and the other Armagh posters have much to say last year about the Kenny incident? Their own players have carried out much more dangerous acts as well over the last few years and I havent saw them coming out with the same moral outrage. Remember for example Francie's cowardly and highly dangerous tackle on Mickey Linden. I'd be much more concerned with something like that.
I think it is perfectly obvious that Harte says one thing to the media and tells his players to do the opposite. I believe he is fully aware of, and encourages, the shitetalking by McMenamin as well as the eyeing of the hill type gestures by Mulligan and all the other rubbish. He's very good at PR, I'll give him that, he has the media and a lot of gullible Gaels fooled, but anyone who cant see through that act by now is, frankly, an idiot.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on February 24, 2009, 07:07:45 PM
I think it is perfectly obvious that Harte says one thing to the media and tells his players to do the opposite. I believe he is fully aware of, and encourages, the shitetalking by McMenamin as well as the eyeing of the hill type gestures by Mulligan and all the other rubbish. He's very good at PR, I'll give him that, he has the media and a lot of gullible Gaels fooled, but anyone who cant see through that act by now is, frankly, an idiot.
I'd imagine most of the managers are very different animals back stage-hardly an enlightened comment
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on February 24, 2009, 07:07:45 PM
I think it is perfectly obvious that Harte says one thing to the media and tells his players to do the opposite. I believe he is fully aware of, and encourages, the shitetalking by McMenamin as well as the eyeing of the hill type gestures by Mulligan and all the other rubbish. He's very good at PR, I'll give him that, he has the media and a lot of gullible Gaels fooled, but anyone who cant see through that act by now is, frankly, an idiot.
I tend to agree Mike.
amazing ms not alone are you not in the country but you are not even in the same time zone and yet you seem to know more about mh that those people living beside him
I think Tyrone should protest by squeezing the balls clean off Joyce and Meehan.
Quote from: Sandy Hill on February 24, 2009, 05:42:07 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 24, 2009, 02:00:46 PM
Good man Mickey, what a rock of sense...
Red Hands boss slams 'Ricey' ban
By Brendan Crossan
24/02/2009
MICKEY Harte has slammed the extremity of the six-week ban meted out to Ryan McMenamin – but willingly accepted the defender's behaviour was "not good enough".
Tyrone defender McMenamin (below) has been hit with the ban for grabbing Kerry player Paul Galvin by the privates, for which he will miss four NFL games. Harte yesterday confirmed an appeal would be launched, while the player has asked for a personal hearing. McMenamin was charged with infringing Category II ("striking or attempting to strike with arm, elbow or knee" or "behaving in any way which is dangerous to an opponent"), which normally carries a four or eight-week ban, but rarely six weeks. "Ryan McMenamin, like any other player, will cross over the line from time-to-time and if he's found guilty of that then he's prepared to take whatever comes his way, provided it is the correct punishment," said Harte. "I have no doubt that that particular sentence will be challenged or appealed." The Tyrone manager has spoken to the Dromore defender about his on-field conduct during last week's National League game against Kerry, but maintained the punishment didn't fit the crime.
Harte added: "We all agree that it wasn't the proper thing to do and didn't look good. Ryan has acknowledged and recognised that and I have no doubt that he would accept the requisite punishment, but I don't think he should be getting anything more severe than that. "If we're talking about the severity of the incident then there was absolutely no injury to the player; he was able to continue on. "That is, in no way, to condone what he did because it wasn't good enough and Ryan has agreed with that, and he has regrets for what he has done."
The three-time All-Ireland-winning manager also expressed concern with some of the media coverage that followed the incident involving McMenamin and Galvin. In his Sunday Independent column, former Meath player and RTE pundit Colm O'Rourke described McMenamin as a "brat" and labelled him a "disgrace". While not referring directly to O'Rourke's comments, Harte added: "There are a lot of people quick to take the high moral ground and indeed some of them would fall into the category of 'people in glass houses (or used to) shouldn't throw stones'. "I don't think it is for anyone else to make those judgements. There is a code of conduct that we all try to adhere to and when people break that code of conduct there are sanctions – and those sanctions should be appropriate."
Harte did not stipulate what he would regard a fair punishment for McMenamin's indiscretion. If the six-week ban is upheld, the player will miss games against Galway, Westmeath, Donegal and Derry, but is free to play against Mayo on April 12. Harte said: "Until everything is done and dusted, I think everybody else would do well to hold their own counsel and opinion to themselves where it ultimately belongs. "Probably one of the most difficult things in life is to be objective. We're much better in being subjective and I've no doubt that people in the media fall into that same category quite often."
Meanwhile, Harte has been encouraged by Stephen O'Neill's progress from a knee injury sustained against Dublin. The former Allstar attacker will be back within a "four to six-week period" from the date of the injury on January 31.
??? ??? ???
Those comments from Harte just make me cringe.
QuoteI'd imagine most of the managers are very different animals back stage-hardly an enlightened comment
When the difference between the public persona and the dressingroom persona is that pronounced then thats a different story. For example, I dont like being preached at about international rules and the various acts of thuggery involved by someone who is perfectly fine with a man assulting another mans privates on the field of play.
where does harte say that he is happy with what ricey done in fact he clearly states in his statement that he is not happy with what ricey done
Quote from: tyronefan on February 24, 2009, 07:22:29 PM
where does harte say that he is happy with what ricey done in fact he clearly states in his statement that he is not happy with what ricey done
I think it's implied by the fact of the appeal.
no he is appealing the length of the suspension not the reason
are you reading what he is saying before commenting on it
The word round Tyrone is Mickey Harte got everyone to applaud Ricey in the dressing room for what he did. He also told him next time to bite the player in question rather than just a we flick with the hand.
This abuse being directed towards Harte is laughable. Mickey Harte cant be accountable for every players behaviour in every minute of each game. Tyrone players are generally well behaved and I'm sure he wouldnt be encouraging players to behave badly in a league game in which the result will have little impact on the season. Catch a grip lads.
Quote from: tyronefan on February 24, 2009, 07:29:01 PM
no he is appealing the length of the suspension not the reason
are you reading what he is saying before commenting on it
If Harte was unhappy about monobrow's general behaviour, there would have been no appeal - truth be told monobrow could have been hit with bringing the Association into disrepute because of his antics. Harte saw what he was at like everyone else did and the appeal is still going ahead.
He should have done nothing and definitely not encouraged an appeal on grounds of length of suspension.
all harte is asking for is that ricey should be treated the same as other people who committed the same offense
dont think he is out of order just because he wants some consistency
I cant believe people think its fair for players from different counties to get different suspensions for the same offence. Ricey's ban will mean he misses 4 times as many matches as Kenny who's action was much worse and dangerous.
TD I don't think that's fair.
I think, as I said before, that he could easily have been hit with bringing the Association into disrepute. Tyronies would have been crying about a very lengthy ban then.
Ricey was out of order all throughout the game, a 6 week ban is the very least he should have got.
Quote from: pedro on February 24, 2009, 06:24:45 PM
While I have the highest of respect for MH, where does he get off with this sort of statement?? He is quite happy to speak out and be the ambassador on how football should be played, on the internation rules, grants etc. but when something unsavoury he does what a lot of Tyrone posters do here, turn a blind eye. No one can persuade me to believe that McMenamin doesn't deserve a ban. He was acting like a tr**p from the start of the game to the finish and rightfully deserved it. The thing is, he doesn't have to do those sort of thiings. he is a good enough player to be at that
"We all agree that it wasn't the proper thing to do and didn't look good. Ryan has acknowledged and recognised that......That is, in no way, to condone what he did because it wasn't good enough and Ryan has agreed with that, and he has regrets for what he has done."My own feeling was that Ricey embarrased himself and the Tyrone team and should have just taken the punishment (unless it was something ridiculous like 6 months which some halfwits on this thread had called for). This latest abuse on the thread for Mickey Harte is just a joke though, he says clearly in the article posted why the appeal is going in. But the comments about Harte, just like the fact this thread is 60+ pages, just show that some people love to stick the boot into Tyrone. Any old excuse. Far more serious events took place on GAA fields (in National League games) the same weekend and yet there dont seem to be 60 page threads or calls for lengthy bans. The usual suspects, and some others who should know better, have lost all perspective.
As for this idea that what McMenamin did to Galvin, or the trash talking, is worse than striking a player thats just pathetic. The kind of macho talk people pinned (rightly) on the Aussie fans who came on here after some of the worst Mixed Rules games and slagged off Irish players.
the suspension is completely unfair when you compare it to what galvin done last year.
Galvin only missed 3 match's while ricey will miss 4
this is what makes the suspension look ridiculous
what he done was wrong and deserves a suspension but in order for it to be acceptable it must be in line with other suspensions given out for the same offense and the punishment should be related to the crime not to how people perceive the offender
it beggars belief that mcmenamin will not accept a 6 week ban. people talk about a disconnect with politicans - does he have any clue how bad he looked? as for comparisons with galvins ban it was 6 MONTHS FFS
read it what ever way it suits you but the fact remains that galvin missed 3 matchs and ricey will miss 4 oh and by the way galvin didnt accept his either ::)
Quote from: tyronefan on February 24, 2009, 09:30:32 PM
the suspension is completely unfair when you compare it to what galvin done last year.
Galvin only missed 3 match's while ricey will miss 4
this is what makes the suspension look ridiculous
what he done was wrong and deserves a suspension but in order for it to be acceptable it must be in line with other suspensions given out for the same offense and the punishment should be related to the crime not to how people perceive the offender
Yes but Galvin missed 3 championship matches, big difference to 4 league games.
Also, the word around Tralee (and this is complete heresay) is that McMenamin had Galvin's Girlfriends number on his hand and kept showing it to him through the match.
>:(
Quote from: magickingdom on February 24, 2009, 09:34:56 PM
it beggars belief that mcmenamin will not accept a 6 week ban. people talk about a disconnect with politicans - does he have any clue how bad he looked? as for comparisons with galvins ban it was 6 MONTHS FFS
You tell me what was worse about what McMenamin did compared to the Kenny and thr Campbell incidents and then I'll accept that the 6 week ban was fair. The gaa have imposed a 50% higher ban on McMenamin for the same offence. Off course Tyrone are going to appeal the length of the suspension when it differs from those handed out to other county players. Im shocked that people think its fair for players to get different suspensions for the same offence based on their reputation.
Quote from: ddc1990 on February 24, 2009, 09:46:34 PM
Quote from: tyronefan on February 24, 2009, 09:30:32 PM
the suspension is completely unfair when you compare it to what galvin done last year.
Galvin only missed 3 match's while ricey will miss 4
this is what makes the suspension look ridiculous
what he done was wrong and deserves a suspension but in order for it to be acceptable it must be in line with other suspensions given out for the same offense and the punishment should be related to the crime not to how people perceive the offender
Yes but Galvin missed 3 championship matches, big difference to 4 league games.
Also, the word around Tralee (and this is complete heresay) is that McMenamin had Galvin's Girlfriends number on his hand and kept showing it to him through the match.
>:(
ah now what next i heard that mc menamin has cloven feet and makes no foot prints in the snow
Quote from: ddc1990 on February 24, 2009, 09:46:34 PM
Quote from: tyronefan on February 24, 2009, 09:30:32 PM
the suspension is completely unfair when you compare it to what galvin done last year.
Galvin only missed 3 match's while ricey will miss 4
this is what makes the suspension look ridiculous
what he done was wrong and deserves a suspension but in order for it to be acceptable it must be in line with other suspensions given out for the same offense and the punishment should be related to the crime not to how people perceive the offender
Yes but Galvin missed 3 championship matches, big difference to 4 league games.
Also, the word around Tralee (and this is complete heresay) is that McMenamin had Galvin's Girlfriends number on his hand and kept showing it to him through the match.
>:(
Is this the same rumour HEFFO came up with, except then it was Gormley and Alan Brogan?
Come on for fucks sake.
why was there not the same outcry last year with paddy campbell and why did paddy get 4 weeks ? simple answer is that a 4 week ban is about right. The fact that it is Ricey is why there is such an outcry and he got 6 weeks because he is Ricey. If it had of been Davy Harte this thread would have been 2 pages long and he would have got 4 weeks. Thats the reality of it.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on February 24, 2009, 09:06:33 PM
Quote from: pedro on February 24, 2009, 06:24:45 PM
While I have the highest of respect for MH, where does he get off with this sort of statement?? He is quite happy to speak out and be the ambassador on how football should be played, on the internation rules, grants etc. but when something unsavoury he does what a lot of Tyrone posters do here, turn a blind eye. No one can persuade me to believe that McMenamin doesn't deserve a ban. He was acting like a tr**p from the start of the game to the finish and rightfully deserved it. The thing is, he doesn't have to do those sort of thiings. he is a good enough player to be at that
"We all agree that it wasn't the proper thing to do and didn't look good. Ryan has acknowledged and recognised that......That is, in no way, to condone what he did because it wasn't good enough and Ryan has agreed with that, and he has regrets for what he has done."
My own feeling was that Ricey embarrased himself and the Tyrone team and should have just taken the punishment (unless it was something ridiculous like 6 months which some halfwits on this thread had called for). This latest abuse on the thread for Mickey Harte is just a joke though, he says clearly in the article posted why the appeal is going in. But the comments about Harte, just like the fact this thread is 60+ pages, just show that some people love to stick the boot into Tyrone. Any old excuse. Far more serious events took place on GAA fields (in National League games) the same weekend and yet there dont seem to be 60 page threads or calls for lengthy bans. The usual suspects, and some others who should know better, have lost all perspective.
As for this idea that what McMenamin did to Galvin, or the trash talking, is worse than striking a player thats just pathetic. The kind of macho talk people pinned (rightly) on the Aussie fans who came on here after some of the worst Mixed Rules games and slagged off Irish players.
No point quoting what Harte says to the papers. The actions of his players say a lot more than his soundbites. Its clear he is encouraging this very unchristian behavior
Quote from: ddc1990 on February 24, 2009, 09:46:34 PM
Also, the word around Tralee (and this is complete heresay) is that McMenamin had Galvin's Girlfriends number on his hand and kept showing it to him through the match.
>:(
Do you want to be banned from the board, with that unfounded allegation?
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on February 24, 2009, 10:10:02 PM
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on February 24, 2009, 09:06:33 PM
Quote from: pedro on February 24, 2009, 06:24:45 PM
While I have the highest of respect for MH, where does he get off with this sort of statement?? He is quite happy to speak out and be the ambassador on how football should be played, on the internation rules, grants etc. but when something unsavoury he does what a lot of Tyrone posters do here, turn a blind eye. No one can persuade me to believe that McMenamin doesn't deserve a ban. He was acting like a tr**p from the start of the game to the finish and rightfully deserved it. The thing is, he doesn't have to do those sort of thiings. he is a good enough player to be at that
"We all agree that it wasn't the proper thing to do and didn't look good. Ryan has acknowledged and recognised that......That is, in no way, to condone what he did because it wasn't good enough and Ryan has agreed with that, and he has regrets for what he has done."
My own feeling was that Ricey embarrased himself and the Tyrone team and should have just taken the punishment (unless it was something ridiculous like 6 months which some halfwits on this thread had called for). This latest abuse on the thread for Mickey Harte is just a joke though, he says clearly in the article posted why the appeal is going in. But the comments about Harte, just like the fact this thread is 60+ pages, just show that some people love to stick the boot into Tyrone. Any old excuse. Far more serious events took place on GAA fields (in National League games) the same weekend and yet there dont seem to be 60 page threads or calls for lengthy bans. The usual suspects, and some others who should know better, have lost all perspective.
As for this idea that what McMenamin did to Galvin, or the trash talking, is worse than striking a player thats just pathetic. The kind of macho talk people pinned (rightly) on the Aussie fans who came on here after some of the worst Mixed Rules games and slagged off Irish players.
No point quoting what Harte says to the papers. The actions of his players say a lot more than his soundbites. Its clear he is encouraging this very unchristian behavior
Jack cant even leave it to his players. He tried to get involved in a fight with McCullagh (a player not known to get involved) and your coming out with this crap about Harte who had no involvement in the incident at all.
are you seriously saying that it is mickey hartes fault that ricey grabbed galvin
I know that I am his beard and all but you have to hand it to Mickey, he'll back his team to the hilt within reason, a true Tyrone man, without having to run onto the field and making a dungbag out of himself.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on February 24, 2009, 07:07:45 PMas well as the eyeing of the hill type gestures by Mulligan
Oh noes!!!!!!!!!!!! Mugsy was "eyeing" the Hill - won't someone think of the children? ::)
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on February 24, 2009, 11:32:50 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on February 24, 2009, 07:07:45 PMas well as the eyeing of the hill type gestures by Mulligan
Oh noes!!!!!!!!!!!! Mugsy was "eyeing" the Hill - won't someone think of the children? ::)
Sure you would never get a Kerry man being provocative to the crowd 'cough' Donaghy 'cough' mc hale park
Quote from: tyronefan on February 24, 2009, 09:42:12 PM
read it what ever way it suits you but the fact remains that galvin missed 3 matchs and ricey will miss 4 oh and by the way galvin didnt accept his either ::)
I thought it was funny :D
Thats right Sheehy. You're going down!
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on February 24, 2009, 09:06:33 PM
As for this idea that what McMenamin did to Galvin, or the trash talking, is worse than striking a player thats just pathetic.
Would you accept that McMenamin squeezed/tapped/assaulted Galvin with the sole purpose of getting Galvin to strike him? If you can give me any other reason for his action please do. So if he done it purely for provocation then surely it is just as bad or worse
Quote from: Puckoon on February 24, 2009, 09:52:26 PM
Quote from: ddc1990 on February 24, 2009, 09:46:34 PM
Quote from: tyronefan on February 24, 2009, 09:30:32 PM
the suspension is completely unfair when you compare it to what galvin done last year.
Galvin only missed 3 match's while ricey will miss 4
this is what makes the suspension look ridiculous
what he done was wrong and deserves a suspension but in order for it to be acceptable it must be in line with other suspensions given out for the same offense and the punishment should be related to the crime not to how people perceive the offender
Yes but Galvin missed 3 championship matches, big difference to 4 league games.
Also, the word around Tralee (and this is complete heresay) is that McMenamin had Galvin's Girlfriends number on his hand and kept showing it to him through the match.
>:(
Is this the same rumour HEFFO came up with, except then it was player x and player y?
I shouldn't have named the player involved but it wasn't a rumour.
Quote from: heffo on February 25, 2009, 09:19:15 AM
I shouldn't have named the player involved but it wasn't a rumour.
That's right heffo, it was gospel. Still crap though.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 25, 2009, 09:44:57 AM
Quote from: heffo on February 25, 2009, 09:19:15 AM
I shouldn't have named the player involved but it wasn't a rumour.
That's right heffo, it was gospel. Still crap though.
Know that for a fact do you?
Quote from: heffo on February 25, 2009, 09:54:27 AM
Know that for a fact do you?
Yep, and don't you think there are enough unfounded allegations on this thread for one thread already?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 25, 2009, 09:57:00 AM
Quote from: heffo on February 25, 2009, 09:54:27 AM
Know that for a fact do you?
Yep, and don't you think there are enough unfounded allegations on this thread for one thread already?
I'm not naming any names and was quite content to let it go until I was brought back into it. So he told you it was bullshit did he?
Quote from: heffo on February 25, 2009, 09:59:58 AM
I'm not naming any names and was quite content to let it go until I was brought back into it. So he told you it was bullshit did he?
A quick trawl would retrieve the names very easily. You couldn't prove it then, and you won't prove it now -- unfounded.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 25, 2009, 10:04:47 AM
Quote from: heffo on February 25, 2009, 09:59:58 AM
I'm not naming any names and was quite content to let it go until I was brought back into it. So he told you it was bullshit did he?
A quick trawl would retrieve the names very easily. You couldn't prove it then, and you won't prove it now -- unfounded.
I've been told by two Dublin players on the day (one a family member of the person involved) and one well known journalist that it's true. You don't know whether it's true or not so can't call it bullshit - you can call it unfounded though. Not bullshit.
Quote from: heffo on February 25, 2009, 10:08:39 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 25, 2009, 10:04:47 AM
Quote from: heffo on February 25, 2009, 09:59:58 AM
I'm not naming any names and was quite content to let it go until I was brought back into it. So he told you it was bullshit did he?
A quick trawl would retrieve the names very easily. You couldn't prove it then, and you won't prove it now -- unfounded.
I've been told by two Dublin players on the day (one a family member of the person involved) and one well known journalist that it's true. You don't know whether it's true or not so can't call it bullshit - you can call it unfounded though. Not bullshit.
Second hand sources and sometimes third hand sources, should not even be mentioned.
Pile of bullsh*t.
Jealousy does funny things to youse southerners!!
Quote from: Final Whistle on February 25, 2009, 10:42:36 AM
Quote from: heffo on February 25, 2009, 10:08:39 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 25, 2009, 10:04:47 AM
Quote from: heffo on February 25, 2009, 09:59:58 AM
I'm not naming any names and was quite content to let it go until I was brought back into it. So he told you it was bullshit did he?
A quick trawl would retrieve the names very easily. You couldn't prove it then, and you won't prove it now -- unfounded.
I've been told by two Dublin players on the day (one a family member of the person involved) and one well known journalist that it's true. You don't know whether it's true or not so can't call it bullshit - you can call it unfounded though. Not bullshit.
Second hand sources and sometimes third hand sources, should not even be mentioned.
Pile of bullsh*t.
Jealousy does funny things to youse southerners!!
Why do Tyrone people think everyone is jealous of them? Some of us have pride in our own counties too!
However I completely agree that when quoting 2nd and 3rd hand sources there is no doubt the story gets exaggerated and is not worht mentioning.
Quote from: heffo on February 25, 2009, 10:08:39 AM
You don't know whether it's true or not so can't call it bullshit - you can call it unfounded though. Not bullshit.
Yes I can heffo, and I will, unless it's proven to the contrary, as I would treat any 'reported' transgressions by any player, regardless of the county.
Quote from: heffo on February 25, 2009, 10:08:39 AM
I've been told by two Dublin players on the day (one a family member of the person involved) and one well known journalist that it's true.
So, just to be 100% clear - Bernard Brogan told you this?
Quote from: Gaaboardmod3 on January 12, 2009, 10:28:38 PM
Lads, I've removed all posts about that allegation heffo made. Heffo, you've been around here long enough to know better. Any more of that and you're gone.
Also, I deleted posts made about a certain Dublin player as well. Screenexile, same applies to you. Please refresh your memory of Rule 2.
Cheers.
I was surprised that there wasn't a furore over the Armagh v Laois Melee? It was by any standards a mass brawl with substitutes and officials involved. Why would this be?
My understanding is that the reason why the Armagh buys have been so over the top about Mc Menamin is because they are covering up what was by all accounts a black day for CLG Ard Mhacha.
Quote from: Winnie Peg on February 25, 2009, 02:43:44 PM
I was surprised that there wasn't a furore over the Armagh v Laois Melee? It was by any standards a mass brawl with substitutes and officials involved. Why would this be?
It was discussed on the match thread apparently - a whopping 10 posts about it maybe
So the best allegation that Kerry & Dublin could come up with is that the Tyrone players had the Dublin players girlfriends numbers written on their hands in the quarter finals and then proceeded to do the same in the final with the Kerry players numbers? lmao!
The sewer rats of Dublin & Killarney will stoop to any depths to hide their shame! ;D
QuoteI was surprised that there wasn't a furore over the Armagh v Laois Melee? It was by any standards a mass brawl with substitutes and officials involved. Why would this be?
Cos Armagh aren't AI Champions. If they were the media would have shown it 50 times.
these girls are very free with their mobile numbers
Heffo if you aren't careful with the names you're happy to put in print, the word will get aound that you inferred those girlfriends were whores.... then where would you be??
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on February 25, 2009, 08:15:01 AM
I still dont see how slapping a notebook gets 6 months and a sexual assault gets 6 weeks. Ridiculous. The GAA is letting them open to all kinds of trouble if they dont get their priorities right.
If you, or any other of the morons who have bandied this term about in relation to this incident, had ever been directly or indirectly the victims of a real 'sexual assault', you would not be so outrageously stupid, insensitive, and insulting so as to repeat it here for such a triviality. You ought to be ashamed of yourself Sheehy (and the rest) for this disgrace, but I know, you won't be.
Quote from: tyronefan on February 25, 2009, 03:07:39 PM
these girls are very free with their mobile numbers
My thoughts exactly!
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 25, 2009, 04:19:05 PM
If you, or any other of the morons who have bandied this term about in relation to this incident, had ever been directly or indirectly the victims of a real 'sexual assault', you would not be so outrageously stupid, insensitive, and insulting so as to repeat it here for such a triviality. You ought to be ashamed of yourself Sheehy (and the rest) for this disgrace,
Well said.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 25, 2009, 04:19:05 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on February 25, 2009, 08:15:01 AM
I still dont see how slapping a notebook gets 6 months and a sexual assault gets 6 weeks. Ridiculous. The GAA is letting them open to all kinds of trouble if they dont get their priorities right.
If you, or any other of the morons who have bandied this term about in relation to this incident, had ever been directly or indirectly the victims of a real 'sexual assault', you would not be so outrageously stupid, insensitive, and insulting so as to repeat it here for such a triviality. You ought to be ashamed of yourself Sheehy (and the rest) for this disgrace, but I know, you won't be.
FoSB, if you look at what monobrow did and take it out of the context of a football match, with any bit of objectivity at all you will see that it was sexual assault in either of the jurisdictions, by the letter of the law.
I am not one of the people bandying about the term incidentally, just calling it like it is. I am sure any legal eagle could confirm.
Bring all the lawyers you want into it and maybe we can trawl through all the previous posts about Paul Galvin, Mick O'Dwyer, Oisin McConville, various Dublin players etc.
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on February 25, 2009, 06:25:34 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 25, 2009, 04:19:05 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on February 25, 2009, 08:15:01 AM
I still dont see how slapping a notebook gets 6 months and a sexual assault gets 6 weeks. Ridiculous. The GAA is letting them open to all kinds of trouble if they dont get their priorities right.
If you, or any other of the morons who have bandied this term about in relation to this incident, had ever been directly or indirectly the victims of a real 'sexual assault', you would not be so outrageously stupid, insensitive, and insulting so as to repeat it here for such a triviality. You ought to be ashamed of yourself Sheehy (and the rest) for this disgrace, but I know, you won't be.
FoSB, if you look at what monobrow did and take it out of the context of a football match, with any bit of objectivity at all you will see that it was sexual assault in either of the jurisdictions, by the letter of the law.
I am not one of the people bandying about the term incidentally, just calling it like it is. I am sure any legal eagle could confirm.
Some people seem to think there has to be rape for a sexual assault to take place. ::)
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on February 24, 2009, 09:46:50 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on February 24, 2009, 09:34:56 PM
it beggars belief that mcmenamin will not accept a 6 week ban. people talk about a disconnect with politicans - does he have any clue how bad he looked? as for comparisons with galvins ban it was 6 MONTHS FFS
You tell me what was worse about what McMenamin did compared to the Kenny and thr Campbell incidents and then I'll accept that the 6 week ban was fair. The gaa have imposed a 50% higher ban on McMenamin for the same offence. Off course Tyrone are going to appeal the length of the suspension when it differs from those handed out to other county players. Im shocked that people think its fair for players to get different suspensions for the same offence based on their reputation.
i agree with you there, its about time the gaa handed out match bans instead of time bans
QuoteIf you, or any other of the morons who have bandied this term about in relation to this incident, had ever been directly or indirectly the victims of a real 'sexual assault', you would not be so outrageously stupid, insensitive, and insulting so as to repeat it here for such a triviality. You ought to be ashamed of yourself Sheehy (and the rest) for this disgrace, but I know, you won't be.
Sometimes you sound like a dyslexic trying to rewrite Ulysses. Just keep it simple like a good man and spare us your idiotic rantings.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 25, 2009, 07:09:18 PMSome people seem to think there has to be rape for a sexual assault to take place. ::)
Extremely hypothetical situation for you Pints - a woman grabs you by the balls in the pub one night - are you going to have her done for sexual assault?
Quote from: magickingdom on February 25, 2009, 07:13:03 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on February 24, 2009, 09:46:50 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on February 24, 2009, 09:34:56 PM
it beggars belief that mcmenamin will not accept a 6 week ban. people talk about a disconnect with politicans - does he have any clue how bad he looked? as for comparisons with galvins ban it was 6 MONTHS FFS
You tell me what was worse about what McMenamin did compared to the Kenny and thr Campbell incidents and then I'll accept that the 6 week ban was fair. The gaa have imposed a 50% higher ban on McMenamin for the same offence. Off course Tyrone are going to appeal the length of the suspension when it differs from those handed out to other county players. Im shocked that people think its fair for players to get different suspensions for the same offence based on their reputation.
i agree with you there, its about time the gaa handed out match bans instead of time bans
I was actually refering to the fact that Campbell and Kenny got 4 week bans for similar (and probably worse) incidents than McMenamin who got a 6 week ban. Not sure how they can justify that. I do agree with your point though and mentioned it else where. Its crazy players are suspened for periods of time rather than games at this stage,totally crazy.
I've decided to close this thread as I feel it has run its course and am not to happy with the direction it is now taking.
A new thread on the appeal will be accepted, but it would be advisable to keep some restraint regarding some of the comments.
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