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The Dubs would look a lot less impressive if Mayo were winning their share of Sams.
Winning is in large part psychological and the Dubs have the edge over Kerry as well. But the notion of a thousand year Reich is nuts .

Dublin win because at the minute they have the best team, better footballers and a desire & hunger to keep winning as all great teams do.

Share of SAMs?? Mayo have not won because of physchological shortcomings. More so because they are not as good as Dublin and the year recently Dublin didn't make it to the final they got done by inept& incompetent ref in semi replay v Kerry. No guarantee they would have beaten Donegal in final but you would have fancied them to.

[Kildare]

Ok lets look at the Myth of Leinster Football.

Looking beyond Dublin, Meath up to lately used to win 50% of the titles Dublin won. A 2:1 Ratio. That has collapsed lately. Dublin and meath have 75 titles between them. Looking at the rest of the counties they have 54 between. Which looks ok until you see that 33 were won before the end of WW2. Offaly came good in the 60's through to the 70's and the 80's.  Kildare were there or there abouts in the late 90's.

Really when we say Leinster is weak, we really mean Meath are Weak?


Kildare who we say (think) are a strong county have won two Leinster titles in the last 60 years. They have not won a Leinster since 2000.

Offaly One title in the last 34 years. Last title 1997.

Wexford Last title 1945.

Louth Last title 1957.

Laois One title in 70 years. Last title 2003.

Carlow last title and only 1945.

Longford Last title and only 1968.

Westmeath last and only title 2004.

Kilkenny last title 1911

In last 20 years Dublin have won 11 Leinsters, Meath 4, Kildare 2, Laois, Offaly & Westmeath 1 each

In 20 years before that Dublin won 12 Leinsters, Meath 5 and Offaly 3

So what exactly is your point? Dublin dominate Leinster, always have and always will. Kerry do the same in Munster. Mayo now doing so in Connacht.

The other teams in Leinster have regressed because of their own failings and inadequacies. They will continue to fail until they get their heads out of their backsides, put proper structures in place as many non Leinster counties have done and stop constantly whinging & moaning about Dublin.

[This summer, Gavin will attempt to guide Dublin to its third All-Ireland in four seasons and become the first manager to successfully defend an All-Ireland title since Billy Morgan of Cork in 1990.]

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This summer, Gavin will attempt to guide Dublin to its third All-Ireland in four seasons and become the first manager to successfully defend an All-Ireland title since Billy Morgan of Cork in 1990. He is, in short, approaching the rarer rooms of GAA managerial success. And he has become part of the summer furniture.
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When Ahern was taoiseach, his pilot on the government jet was often Jim Gavin.
"He was on what was called the beach-craft. When we had to go to Brussels or England or up and down to the North a lot during the talks. So you got to know him. He is a kind of a guy where sometimes when you are with him you'd think that the only thing that the fella has in his life is aviation. He is passionate about air safety, standards. And he flies the aircraft himself.

What a fooking shoddy article, they'll be going krackers in the Kingdom at that shite!

And lord knows what a 'beach-craft' [sic] is, but I wouldn't fancy taking to the skies in it! 

WTF are you on about. He will be the first since Billy Morgan. Kerry changed their manager between 2006-07.

[Back on topic though I wonder has there been a falling out as surely he would have been capable of doing a similar job to what Donaghy has done this season in midfield.]

Good point, make it a prerequisite that after signing up to the draft that you can no longer tog out for the county of your birth ( maybe for 5 years or so) although this will reduce the standard of players available.

I am aware this is a silly idea but in the future if players are going to be remunerated and funded centrally there will need to be a mechanism to give all players an opportunity to make a living from the game regardless of where they are born. Otherwise there would be a free for all.

Back on topic though I wonder has there been a falling out as surely he would have been capable of doing a similar job  to what Donaghy has done this season in midfield.

He suffered a serious injury in Auz. Walsh tore the hamstring off his bone while in action for the Sydney Swans against Essendon and missed the remainder of that season along with the next year's pre-season campaign. He must have been crocked for Sydney to let him go?

check out from 0:50!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL8gwQIRPHI

Tearing the hamstring off the bone is an injury closely associated with steroids. I believe Kevin Dyas did the same during his tenure in the AFL. Addison's disease is also closely linked with steroid abuse, which is what Marty Clarke suffers from.

I think it is a reasonable assumption that steroid abuse in the AFL is systematic and accepted across all the teams, how much the players actually are aware of it is another matter.

You are an arsehole!

I'm not a Dublin supporter. I probably give my allegiances to three different counties and three different sports, on any given day. I said that in one of my first posts, when I was asked where I was from.

If you want to pull a smoke screen over Geezer raking it in, by bringing up other counties, knock yourself out. I never said other counties weren't up to it too. Are they the ones giving out about financial fair play 'tho?

Smoke screen? All I want is facts not hearsay, Dublin's financial aid is well publicized at this stage and quite simply they wouldn't be half as successful without it.

So what was Geezer on and how does it compare to Cunningham and Daly, do you even know?. If you can't answer that why are we having this discussion.

It amuses me that people quite frankly refuse to accept the co-relation between Dublin's success and money. Take away the money and Dublin would come straight back into the pack - probably picking up 4/5 Leinster titles 1/2 All-Irelands every 10 years.

If you put half as much energy into sorting out the sad excuse you have for a county football team as you do moaning, whinging and talking utter sh1te about Dublin there's a chance albeit a small one you might be able to match the likes of Monaghan, Roscommon, Cavan and 3/4 other counties who focus on making the best out of what they have rather than the relentless, bitter, whinging bol0xology you and many within your county & the lemons next door to you come out with. Grow a pair ffs and sort yourselves out. And maybe then some day we might again have a proper game of football with Kildare rather than handing your arse to you on a plate every time as we currently do.

I'm well aware of the situations with the two players, what I was getting at was the likes of this: http://www.hoganstand.com/Meath/MessagePage.aspx?TopicID=72061&Latest=1

Granted a lot of it is driven by idiot parents desperate for their children to represent the Dubs but it is not a good direction for the GAA to be heading. Players should play for teams in their county and represent the counties they are born in/grow up/live in.
If they are not good enough for their own county and have parents from a weaker county then that is fair enough to give it a chance but Dublin teams shouldn't need to go outside their borders with the population they have.

What you've just posted there is completely different issue to your accusation around Dublins 'pathetic' actions in targeting players from other counties. Kildare and Meath should put their energies in sorting themselves out rather than blaming Dublin for their troubles at every turn. If anything is pathetic it is the state of football in both counties.

He would not have been anywhere close to the Kildare panel but it is an issue that players are being targeted in the counties bordering Dublin for their development squads. I believe Meath are being hit hardest. It really is pathetic from Dublin with all the advantages they already possess that they have to resort to this carry on.

That's the usual inaccurate nonsense posted on this site. Would be great if people made some effort to get their facts right. Quinns son was born outside Ireland so under GAA rules he can declare for his parents county or the county he is living in. He wasn't targeted by Dublin and if it wasn't for his father being who he is he wouldn't have represented Dublin at all. He hasn't got any game time for Dublin u21s in championship.

Michael Deegan is son of Dublin player Mick Deegan. Was born in Dublin and played most of his underage football in Dublin till his family moved to Ashbourne. Was never going to play for anyone else but Dublin if he was good enough.

Thems the facts but don't let that stop you having another childish moan about Dublin. Boo hoo hoo!

Jaysus Benny harsh. It was more a study in the vagaries of sport and a commentary in the difference a year makes. But sure yeah, f**k him and his kid. 

Yeah, f**k em all!  It wasn't the kid I was getting at, but it was easy for AB to give it another year with a big Celtic Cross dangled in front of him.

By the way, why was the kid allowed on the pitch when the rest of us arent?

You're one bitter hateful fcukwit. And one poisonous little b*stard to boot!

You and a few other hateful fcukrs here are the reason why so few Dubs or reasonable people from other counties post on this forum.

You're welcome to each other!

As requested I have returned with some interesting facts and figures.

Population of Dublin: 1,270,603
Population of Fermanagh: 61,805

Clubs in Dublin: 215 (approximately)
Clubs in Fermanagh: 22

As we can see, Dublin have 1.2 million more people than Fermanagh and almost 200 more clubs. In an effort to have a more even playing field, the GAA have pumped loads of money into games development in Fermanagh while giving Dublin very little. Over the past 10 years the average amount given to each yearly has been this:

Fermanagh: 1.5 million
Dublin: 42,500

So Dublin may have a huge advantage when it comes to population and club numbers but Fermanagh have far more finance available to them. I don't see why anyone is predicting a whipping, surely it will be a close game going on the figures? What's that you say? I've made a mistake? What do you mean? Dublin get the 1.5 million yearly while Fermanagh get 42,500. What are you talking about you loony? Surely that can't be right.

So you're telling me that Dublin have 1.2 million more people than Fermanagh, they have almost 200 more clubs yet still get 1.5 million annually while Fermanagh only get 42,500? You're having a laugh, next you'll be telling me that they play every game at home. WHAT??

They also have a multi million euro deal with AIG. Numerous other sponsors, them being: O'Neills, Bavaria, The Gibson Hotel, Toyota, Aer Lingus, Ros Nutrition, Ballygowan, Linwoods, Energise sport and Skins. They've added 2 new sponsors in recent times also. Benetti menswear and Gourmet food parlour. They have top level coaches, nutritionists, physiologists, lifestyle coaches, basketball coaches, a huge backroom team. They get to use the same dressing room for every game and pick which side of the pitch they warm up on. They're able to get their players time off work, they train in the best facilities in Ireland, they're getting a 9 million euro training centre built for them.

Stop, stop, STOP!!!! You are just making all of this up. There's no way this can be true. It's ridiculously crazy, how can this happen? Will somebody tell me there's some mistake here? Somebody? Anybody?

In fairness to dublin they prob need the money to pay for their players drug habits. And they play all there games at home cause none of them know how to drive.

You went to all the trouble of registering to post that tripe you attention seeking fcukwit!

A few thoughts I've had this week regarding this incident. Just my opinions folks so we're all entitled to that.
1. I presume Dublin arranged this game to set themselves a decent challenge to play away from Croker against a Northern tough team who Gavin knew would provide a hard physical game to test his team against a defensive system that he will probably be coming up against much more from here on in.

2. Dublin away from home know that teams will put it up to them more and try to bully them and intimidate them as some see the Dubs as being a nice open football team but maybe not having too many 'hard' men bar MDMA, McMahon or O'Gara who is out injured. As a result of this Dublin have to make a stand and be seen not to be pushovers.
3. Gavin seems to paint this very whiter than white image of his team and has openly criticised other teams tactics and behaviour and seems quite smug in his views on his team play the game in the way it should be played.
4. I'm sure there are several more incidents but I can think of three times where Dublin have been involved in unsavoury very serious incidents which each time have been very quickly brushed under the carpet with minimal media attention and no big fuss made about it.

I was in Omagh yesterday & Skerries GAA club last night and the amount of Gaels who hadn't even heard about the match was unreal.
As a Tyrone lad living in Dublin I am sick to the teeth of hearing bad press about Tyrone football. Even after our under 21s won a great game if football this year to lift our spirits again the media were on our back.
My main point for posting today is not to ask what R ally happened in that game and what will be done about it. No my grievance is do you agree with me that there seems to be a very clear pattern here of Double standards?
Whether its because of the Dublin based media or as someone on here suggested, even worse refs or opposing teams being offered money to go away and be quiet just to get Dublin off the hook, I really don't know.

I live in Dublin for a long time and yes I have some anti Dublin bias, however I enjoyed seeing Dublin win Sam in 2011 as it gives the whole city a lift and there was good mood and atmosphere in the place.
Naturally enough I am saddened by my own county's demise and how so many people perceive us now thanks to people like Brolly and very anti Northern Southern media but c'est la vie.

My main question to most on here is if this incident had of happened in a 'friendly' match between Donegal and Tyrone would we have the same silence of what really happened or would there be uproar about the thuggery and sledging up there and how something has to be done to stop this cancer.

Will you ever fcuk off. You're having a go at Dublin in situation where it was a Dubln player who was the victim. That and having a moan and a whine about people picking on poor Tyrone. FFS!

By the way, I had to go and search posts by don't matter as people have been accusing me of being him/her. He/she has some very strong views. I didn't read all of them but there's some information I found that I never knew about. Like Dublin get about 1 and a half million per year off the GAA to pay for developing players!!!! Other counties get nowhere near this according to don't matter. In fairness he/she supplies links and stuff to back up their claims so it can't be denied. Some very interesting stuff.

You are a complete fcukwit You also have physchological issues that need seeing to.

Hmmm...Tadgh Kenelly elbow on Murphy from the throw in, Galvin on Geezer, Dublin dragging Mayo to the ground to see out an AI final, the elbow to Diarmuid Connollys face in the recent league final, Derry 15 man defence and targeting Mulgrew in 2006, Meath v Tyrone AI semi final......

Funny how Kerry are just 'cute hoors' though eh and Dublin are the epitome of purist football.

You can go on ad infinitum with examples of cynical play from the so called artists and artisans alike. 

Tyrone are no saints but they are far from being in a league of their own. The southern media is so myopic it's untrue. Dublin played against Tyrone in the league this year with 13 - 14 men behind the ball in their own half when Tyrone attacked, just as Tyrone did when Dublin had the ball - yet Dublin have now been lauded for having added a defensive 'edge' and Tyrone crucified for blanket negativity.

Both Tyrone and Tipp were involved in unsavoury incidents on Saturday yet Tipp are being portrayed as naive innocents....

Tyrone won, end of.

Tyrone play football one way only. Dublin will always play attacking football as first option. We've learned through recent bitter experience that the only way you can beat this putrid sh1te is to match it when we have the misfortune to come up against it. Its friggin horrible to watch and is driving people away from the game but Ulster football people don't give a fiddlers about the game or anyone outside of Ulster  Ulster football is what it is.

The game has become what it has become because you can't keep changing the rules as cynical win at all costs teams take advantage of the rules as they are and the fact that the GAA and its referees can't or won't enforce their own existing rules.

I wouldn't cross the road to watch Ulster game. You're all pretty much as bad as each other. Wishful thinking but would be great if you took your putrid version of football with your pulling & dragging, verbal abuse of other teams and chip on the shoulder attitude and p1ssed off to play your own championship. Wouldn't fix everything but would be bloody good start! You are a disease within the game.

Did anyone get a clear view on Dessie Mone's black card? Thought he was on for a free and really surprised when the card was shown. Did he pull his man down with him?

Was sitting right beside it. Mone grabbed Flynn around the neck and pulled him down as Flynn tried to tackle him. Silly thing to do by Mone and certainly free for Dublin. Don't really see how ref awarded black card for it though.

sure they only booed when derry were on the ball

As above, they were Dublin fans expecting the home team to win. Dublin played the same defensive tactics throughout. Did you see the game?

Did you see the game? We boo'd Derry for bringing that putrid shite to Croke Park as Donegal and Tyrone have done before them   It has fcuk all to do with winning or not winning.

And you are talking through your rear end if you think playing that way is our preferred approach. That was complete nonsense from McIvor afterwards to try and deflect some of the criticism that was coming his way

I did. So you aren't denying Dublin played the same defensive tactics as Derry played throughout the game? At least that makes one Dublin poster on here. The bit i'm confused with though is you admit to booing Derry for their tactics yet it's fine for Dublin to do it? Why so?

I never said that was Dublin's preferred way of playing. Where did you get that from? Derry played the most attacking football i seen last year out of anyone, it got them hammered in the league final and 0 championship wins. I wouldn't say it's Derry's preferred way of playing either but needs must.

I didn't say that we setup same as Derry. In fact i said that claim was patent nonsense from McIvor. We brought players back as game went on but kept at least 3 forwards in Derry half at all times. As Kerry showed last year in AIF the only ay to beat this shite is to close on copy it. Otherwise as happened us v Donegal you get caught on the break.

I like many others wont be paying good money to watch this crap. Nor will I keep going to our away games in Ulster as i have done in the past. This approach might be within the rules but will if not tackled do serious damage to Gaelic football as the most popular sport in the country.  20k in CP last Sat. You wouldn't get half that if they put that game on again any time soon.

sure they only booed when derry were on the ball

As above, they were Dublin fans expecting the home team to win. Dublin played the same defensive tactics throughout. Did you see the game?

Did you see the game? We boo'd Derry for bringing that putrid shite to Croke Park as Donegal and Tyrone have done before them   It has fcuk all to do with winning or not winning.

And you are talking through your rear end if you think playing that way is our preferred approach. That was complete nonsense from McIvor afterwards to try and deflect some of the criticism that was coming his way