Irish mercenaries, unionist coat trailers and the Bard of Dunclug

[Zapatista]

And isn't also possible that a Sinn Fein member might protest, not because their "motives may be simple anti-Brit prejudice, or a desire to prove their Republican credentials" but because they are against the war in Iraq or Afghanistan as well as previous british army behaviour in the north. I don't see anything wrong with that. The best solution to this parade would have been a welcome home "function" in a hall somewhere, behind closed doors with family and friends, there was no need to flaunt it about the place - especially considering the horrendous death tolls in the countries that these soldiers have just left. I believe that this parade was manipulated by some unionist elements that wanted to start trouble, looking for a violent reaction and some point scoring over republicans. If that is not the case why are similar parades not happening in cities in Britain?

It was a low down dirty trick that Republicans did not fall for. They were counting on trouble from protesters in order to claim that there is no confidence in the community for devolved policing. This has back fired immensely and rather than show there is no confidence it has only strengthend the case (as if it needed futher strengthening) that there is enough confidence to devolve policing. The DUP are holding up the Assembly and are holding the people of the north to ransom. There bluff has been called.

[Evil Genius]

If your field of comparison is reduced to - someone who would wish it within the last month - could you come up with eveidence other than that of the Bard?

I have no idea what you mean by that.

All those you mentioned have renounced violence since atleast 10 years ago. And none have called for vilolence as elected reps. Can you make comparisons of elected reps advoctaing violence in the past 10 years other than that of the Bard?

Ah, so that's all right, then. Crimes such as murder, or their victims, don't really count, seeing as their assailants have since renounced violence, then.
And that renunciation, of course, has nothing whatever to do with the fact that as a criminal offence, calling for violence would be grounds for revocation of early release from prison and disbarment from standing as a candidate in elections, or serving on public bodies such as Policing Boards?
Gerry Adams was never in the IRA and I was born on 03 November 2008...

[Zapatista]

Dodge

[Evil Genius]

EG, it's irrelevant spam and there's no point there you couldn't say in five or six words. Apart from what 5Times might like to say I'm no tout, so I would prefer to sort out any such issues between ourselves without bothering the mods.

It's not "irrelevant", nor is it "spam", since it was in direct response to a point made by another poster about the Bard of Dunclug - one of the subjects of this thread.

As for "five or six words", some of those cited have a charge sheet as long as your arm. If I had just said they "Are a bunch of criminals" (5 words), you'd have criticised me for making it up.

As for "touting", I'm pleased that you and i are both opposed to such a practice, not least because I now know you weren't the pathetic little creep who sneaked on me to the Mods last time, over something pretty innocuous.

Anyhow, you've asked me directly not to post such comments, so I'll give you a direct answer: I'll post what I like!  

[Donagh]

EG, I've asked you not to spam the Board with irrelevant nonsense. If you can't behave like an adult without resorting to your tribal rants, I'll lock the thread and you can go piss over someone else's with your juvenile techniques. 

[Evil Genius]

May I ask a question of the posters that support the parade. Do you agree with the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq? Its a simple question - answers please.

I agree with the UN-authorised war in Afghanistan, I disagree with the non-UN authorised war in Baghdad. And for the record, I hold no grudge against the soldiers who are doing their duty in Iraq as they pledged to do when they signed up. The real villains who should be held accountable are Bush and Blair.

So have you a problem if people like you who are against a war, go out on the streets and peacefully protest against it? For the record, I am against both wars as they are unjust. I also think there is nothing wrong with a protest in these circumstances as I believe the celebrating of returning soldiers from a foreign war that has been barbaric is wrong. I don't believe my feelings are much different to many in your own unionist community.

I have no problem with people protesting against either Iraq or Afghanistan. I am not impressed by people whose real motives may be simple anti-Brit prejudice, or a desire to prove their Republican credentials (SF) in a "Let's see who can p1ss highest up the wall" competition against other organisations (eirige), under the guise of anti-War protests. But I don't suppose there's anything one may reasonably do about that.
I am amused, as it happens, by the fact that the SF protest actually stirred many thousands more to join the Welcome Home than would otherwise be the case, but regret that this also encouraged a small minority (several hundreds?) of lowlife "Loyalists" [sic] also to crawl out from under their stone and disgrace the Parade. But again, there's not much anyone can easily do about them, either.

Anyhow, I know of more than one person who joined the Welcome Home parade, who had previously joined anti-Iraq demonstrations in NI. I do not see any contradiction in that.

And isn't also possible that a Sinn Fein member might protest, not because their "motives may be simple anti-Brit prejudice, or a desire to prove their Republican credentials" but because they are against the war in Iraq or Afghanistan as well as previous british army behaviour in the north. I don't see anything wrong with that. The best solution to this parade would have been a welcome home "function" in a hall somewhere, behind closed doors with family and friends, there was no need to flaunt it about the place - especially considering the horrendous death tolls in the countries that these soldiers have just left. I believe that this parade was manipulated by some unionist elements that wanted to start trouble, looking for a violent reaction and some point scoring over republicans. If that is not the case why are similar parades not happening in cities in Britain?

Nonsense.
Such Parades are happening in towns and cities all over Britain.
Why, this isn't even the first Welcome parade organised for the RIR:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=fAaRdosqwXo&eurl=http://www.hatchetsandhammers.co.uk/hnh/showthread.php?t=3609&page=5
Indeed, Belfast wasn't even the first Welcome Home Parade organised for the RIR in a British town that same week:
http://www.irishnews.com/articles/540/5860/2008/10/30/601531_361839542962FirstRIR.html

[Evil Genius]

EG, I've asked you not to spam the Board with irrelevant nonsense. If you can't behave like an adult without resorting to your tribal rants, I'll lock the thread and you can go piss over someone else's with your juvenile techniques. 

1. It's not your Board;
2. You've asked and I've said "No";
3. Whatever else, there is nothing "juvenile" about what I'm posting, or "tribal";
4. Lock the thread if you like - posts which appear to be upsetting you, such as those which outline the various dastardly crimes committed by your heroes in Connolly House, will still remain on the record, for all to see and you will be exposed as someone who doesn't mind dishing the dirt out on others, but cannot take it when some of it gets returned to you...

[lynchbhoy]

point four makes absolutely no sense whatsoever apart from idiotic subjectiveness from the writer

talk about the first things that come to mind etc etc etc
intentionally move the goalposts from the 'bard and his sectarianism' to the usual tactic of whinging about 'SF, IRA , I can post what I like' etc etc
its toys out of the pram time in little girlie fashion for evil loyalist!

anything but address the issue of what the bard of dunclug did...
please can we have some opinion on what he did and what measures should be taken against him as this person is meant to hold public office (and in public office he 'represents' more than the orange order)

[Evil Genius]

anything but address the issue of what the bard of dunclug did...

OK. If the Bard is who he appears to be and he knowingly posted those comments, then I have no problem condemning him.

However, when His Holiness attempted to put the offending comments into perspective (i.e. serious even by the standards of NI elected representatives), I pointed out they were nothing like so serious as e.g. actual murder, as committed by other NI elected representatives.

Which of us do you think has got it right? His Holiness (the person who originally raised the idea), or me (the person who responded to him)? 

[Main Street]

It's gas when the libertarian veneer slips and the hateful wee cxnt emerges

[Donagh]

EG, I've asked you not to spam the Board with irrelevant nonsense. If you can't behave like an adult without resorting to your tribal rants, I'll lock the thread and you can go piss over someone else's with your juvenile techniques. 

1. It's not your Board;
2. You've asked and I've said "No";
3. Whatever else, there is nothing "juvenile" about what I'm posting, or "tribal";
4. Lock the thread if you like - posts which appear to be upsetting you, such as those which outline the various dastardly crimes committed by your heroes in Connolly House, will still remain on the record, for all to see and you will be exposed as someone who doesn't mind dishing the dirt out on others, but cannot take it when some of it gets returned to you...

That you actually think people read half the rubbish you post on here is laughable. They come across as the ramblings of an adolescent being let loose on Google for the first time - the scattergun approach lacking in intelligence, reflection or clarity of thought. Your posts weren't even addressed to me so you're loosing the run of yourself there. I am simply attempting to keep a long thread on track by giving a little bit of friendly advice. That you choosen not to heed that advice while prematurely ejaculating your inane but angry venom over the keyboard at every new post, while conveniently forgetting those were you have been challenged, merely shows you for the sad case you are. Your posts are adding nothing to this thread or to Gaaboard, so it's time for a little timeout on this thread. If you want to continue to be a keybaord warrior for bigotry do it on another thread, this one's closed for now...

[Zapatista]

Hey, this thread is unlocked again

[saffron sam2]

Hey, this thread is unlocked again

Yes, that's my fault. I asked for it to be unlocked because I heard (from a usually relaible source) that at the army parade in Ballymena at the weekend someone attending the parade was spotted wearing a Neill Armstrong mask and carrying a placard bearing the legend "Youse should of killed more of them uppity Fenians when youse had the chance so youse should of". Can anyone confirm this rumour?

[Zapatista]

Yes, I can conform that this is now a romour.

[red hander]

'Indeed, Belfast wasn't even the first Welcome Home Parade organised for the RIR in a British town that same week:'

Belfast isn't in Britain, thesaurus boy