Things that make you go What the F**k?

[Rossfan]

If this Britcard is applied to the 6 Cos...  will all of ye who choose Irish citizenship be unable to work (other than cash in hand)?

[armaghniac]

Illegal immigrants could  still work cash in hand (while  we still have cash). No ID or  NI number needed there.  No reason why that won't continue , ID card  or not. If there's really a  problem with illegal workers , then it's  the employers  you need to  look at.

No, but it would make it a bit easier to clamp down on dodgy employers, which would pay for itself.

[Armagh18]

Think Frankie Boyle summed it up well- will cost billions to roll out, will be done wrong anyway and likely result in huge data breaches. And good luck trying to get any self respecting Nationalist to sign up to prove their British identity. 

[Armagh18]

It is self evident that Keir Starmer's rush to embrace digital ID is to be thought to be doing something about out of control immigration. However, if he was serious about addressing that issue he'd be taking much stronger direct action to stop the boats.

I have serious concerns about centralised control of personal data and its misuse. I will happily join in the national battle to protect individual privacy and details.

ID cards are a national issue which if they were to exist must apply across the whole United Kingdom. There should be no question of again caving in to Sinn Féin's anti- British agenda to exempt Northern Ireland from a national British ID scheme, if one is imposed. There would be serious constitutional issues in such exemption of NI, with nationalism again emboldened to proclaim all-island alignment.

Jim managing to blame the Shinners already..

[RedHand88]

It is self evident that Keir Starmer's rush to embrace digital ID is to be thought to be doing something about out of control immigration. However, if he was serious about addressing that issue he'd be taking much stronger direct action to stop the boats.

I have serious concerns about centralised control of personal data and its misuse. I will happily join in the national battle to protect individual privacy and details.

ID cards are a national issue which if they were to exist must apply across the whole United Kingdom. There should be no question of again caving in to Sinn Féin's anti- British agenda to exempt Northern Ireland from a national British ID scheme, if one is imposed. There would be serious constitutional issues in such exemption of NI, with nationalism again emboldened to proclaim all-island alignment.

Jim managing to blame the Shinners already..

So to sum up, Jim is against them, but doesn't want Sinn Fein to get their way despite them also being against them.

[Armagh18]

It is self evident that Keir Starmer's rush to embrace digital ID is to be thought to be doing something about out of control immigration. However, if he was serious about addressing that issue he'd be taking much stronger direct action to stop the boats.

I have serious concerns about centralised control of personal data and its misuse. I will happily join in the national battle to protect individual privacy and details.

ID cards are a national issue which if they were to exist must apply across the whole United Kingdom. There should be no question of again caving in to Sinn Féin's anti- British agenda to exempt Northern Ireland from a national British ID scheme, if one is imposed. There would be serious constitutional issues in such exemption of NI, with nationalism again emboldened to proclaim all-island alignment.

Jim managing to blame the Shinners already..

So to sum up, Jim is against them, but doesn't want Sinn Fein to get their way despite them also being against them.

If in doubt blame the immigrants and the taigs

[Captain Obvious]

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[Smokin Joe]

Yes you have a passport, and a drivers licence and an NI number, but you don't need to show an ID card to get into a concert or a sports stadium or on a train.
If the Digital ID system comes into being there is a strong chance, IMO, that you will need to scan your Digital ID card in order to enter places such as these or to avail of services.

If that does happen imagine what could be done with that in a politicized system?  Kneecap go to enter a sports stadium or get on a train and the machine flashes red so they care not allowed through.  That is where this may be headed.  Whether it goes there or not it is clear how having a Digital ID that must be carried with you and can be checked by the establishment, increase the likliehood of dissenters / those who disagree with the establishment of being refused services.
We'll likely find that free speech will come with a reduction in privileges.

[DaleCooper]

Tldr do you want Jeffrey Epstein having all of your personal information, pics of your kids etc

If people want that then good luck to them.

Larry Ellison , the billionaire taking over tiktok to tamp down on an Anti Israel content is a key player

https://democracyforsale.substack.com/p/inside-the-tony-blair-institute-larry-ellison-peter-kyle-starmer

[AustinPowers]

Yes you have a passport, and a drivers licence and an NI number, but you don't need to show an ID card to get into a concert or a sports stadium or on a train.
If the Digital ID system comes into being there is a strong chance, IMO, that you will need to scan your Digital ID card in order to enter places such as these or to avail of services.

If that does happen imagine what could be done with that in a politicized system?  Kneecap go to enter a sports stadium or get on a train and the machine flashes red so they care not allowed through.  That is where this may be headed.  Whether it goes there or not it is clear how having a Digital ID that must be carried with you and can be checked by the establishment, increase the likliehood of dissenters / those who disagree with the establishment of being refused services.
We'll likely find that free speech will come with a reduction in privileges.

The COVID passport was  obviously a  trial run for  this. No jab, no entry and  all that.

No doubt it will become a tool to  deny  any freedoms to folk who question  anything, or don't toe the line. As you say, Kneecap and Gaza, for instance. Immigration/Palestine  protests, teachers/doctors striking.

[gallsman]

The COVID passport was  obviously a  trial run for  this. No jab, no entry and  all that.

Yeah, that's exactly what it was.   I mean it was a completely different government in power but they were probably all secretly planning this together behind the scenes for years.

[armaghniac]

Yes you have a passport, and a drivers licence and an NI number, but you don't need to show an ID card to get into a concert or a sports stadium or on a train.
If the Digital ID system comes into being there is a strong chance, IMO, that you will need to scan your Digital ID card in order to enter places such as these or to avail of services.

If that does happen imagine what could be done with that in a politicized system?  Kneecap go to enter a sports stadium or get on a train and the machine flashes red so they care not allowed through.  That is where this may be headed.  Whether it goes there or not it is clear how having a Digital ID that must be carried with you and can be checked by the establishment, increase the likliehood of dissenters / those who disagree with the establishment of being refused services.
We'll likely find that free speech will come with a reduction in privileges.

Most European countries have ID cards. The card in itself does not mean a repressive regime, it is merely  convenience for legitimate business.

The present initiative is an anti rogue employer proposal, but Starmer made a hames of the whole thing.

[Milltown Row2]

Yes you have a passport, and a drivers licence and an NI number, but you don't need to show an ID card to get into a concert or a sports stadium or on a train.
If the Digital ID system comes into being there is a strong chance, IMO, that you will need to scan your Digital ID card in order to enter places such as these or to avail of services.

If that does happen imagine what could be done with that in a politicized system?  Kneecap go to enter a sports stadium or get on a train and the machine flashes red so they care not allowed through.  That is where this may be headed.  Whether it goes there or not it is clear how having a Digital ID that must be carried with you and can be checked by the establishment, increase the likliehood of dissenters / those who disagree with the establishment of being refused services.
We'll likely find that free speech will come with a reduction in privileges.

You buy your ticket online for the concert/train or other services, they know you've entered or got on the bus or train.

You are constantly leaving a digital footprint ffs! What the f**k are you concerned with?

You are making stuff up now about free speech and reduction of services? Get your tin hat off your head and wise up

[Smokin Joe]

Yes you have a passport, and a drivers licence and an NI number, but you don't need to show an ID card to get into a concert or a sports stadium or on a train.
If the Digital ID system comes into being there is a strong chance, IMO, that you will need to scan your Digital ID card in order to enter places such as these or to avail of services.

If that does happen imagine what could be done with that in a politicized system?  Kneecap go to enter a sports stadium or get on a train and the machine flashes red so they care not allowed through.  That is where this may be headed.  Whether it goes there or not it is clear how having a Digital ID that must be carried with you and can be checked by the establishment, increase the likliehood of dissenters / those who disagree with the establishment of being refused services.
We'll likely find that free speech will come with a reduction in privileges.

You buy your ticket online for the concert/train or other services, they know you've entered or got on the bus or train.

You are constantly leaving a digital footprint ffs! What the f**k are you concerned with?

You are making stuff up now about free speech and reduction of services? Get your tin hat off your head and wise up

Today you buy your ticket, yes "they" know that you bought the ticket, but there is no way of stopping you enter the venue unless you are too drunk or something like that.

After the advent of the Digital ID card I am pretty sure you will need to show both your ticket and your Digital ID card so "we can vouch that you are the ticket holder".  In that case there is a chance that the people the Establishment don't like won't be allowed entry.  Today that just isn't possible, that's why I don't like a Digital ID.

COVID was mentioned earlier.  I didn't bring it up.  But remember how we couldn't see our family or visit relatives in hospital meanwhile there were parties happening on Friday night's on Westminster.  They didn't have to make do with virtual drinks.

It's not a given that goverments can be trusted to do the right thing.

[RedHand88]

Yes you have a passport, and a drivers licence and an NI number, but you don't need to show an ID card to get into a concert or a sports stadium or on a train.
If the Digital ID system comes into being there is a strong chance, IMO, that you will need to scan your Digital ID card in order to enter places such as these or to avail of services.

If that does happen imagine what could be done with that in a politicized system?  Kneecap go to enter a sports stadium or get on a train and the machine flashes red so they care not allowed through.  That is where this may be headed.  Whether it goes there or not it is clear how having a Digital ID that must be carried with you and can be checked by the establishment, increase the likliehood of dissenters / those who disagree with the establishment of being refused services.
We'll likely find that free speech will come with a reduction in privileges.

You buy your ticket online for the concert/train or other services, they know you've entered or got on the bus or train.

You are constantly leaving a digital footprint ffs! What the f**k are you concerned with?

You are making stuff up now about free speech and reduction of services? Get your tin hat off your head and wise up

Today you buy your ticket, yes "they" know that you bought the ticket, but there is no way of stopping you enter the venue unless you are too drunk or something like that.

After the advent of the Digital ID card I am pretty sure you will need to show both your ticket and your Digital ID card so "we can vouch that you are the ticket holder".  In that case there is a chance that the people the Establishment don't like won't be allowed entry.  Today that just isn't possible, that's why I don't like a Digital ID.

COVID was mentioned earlier.  I didn't bring it up.  But remember how we couldn't see our family or visit relatives in hospital meanwhile there were parties happening on Friday night's on Westminster.  They didn't have to make do with virtual drinks.

It's not a given that goverments can be trusted to do the right thing.

Who the f**k are "they"?