Boxing Thread

[gallsman]

I hope there is a rematch with Paul McCloskey, and hopefully Dudey can finish Khan's career!

This is laughable, Dudey had his chance and is just about European standard, he never layed a glove on Khan for 6 rounds 

Khan was well in contention after 2 rounds that fight and probably winning the third until he got tagged, he has a weak punch resistance but at least his fights are entertaining.

Dudey got schooled by a journey man Marcus DeCorley so there is no chance he will get a rematch with AK unless they decide to build Kahn back up with a couple of domestic high profile fights that he will easily win.

this whole post is a christmas joke, are the lights still on in your dome???

Marcus DeCorley ffs 

Other than messing up the name, everything he said is absolutely correct. Where's the joke?

[screenexile]

Khan really does himself no favours does he??

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/18852698

But Khan responded: "Carl's always got his little things to say and I'll leave it to that really. If he wants to retire he can retire.

"I'm in a tougher division, I'm fighting better opposition and I'm a bigger name than him. That's what burns him really.

Yeah for some reason I don't think Froch is too worried about what Khan has to say about him!!

[J OGorman]

I hope there is a rematch with Paul McCloskey, and hopefully Dudey can finish Khan's career!

This is laughable, Dudey had his chance and is just about European standard, he never layed a glove on Khan for 6 rounds 

Khan was well in contention after 2 rounds that fight and probably winning the third until he got tagged, he has a weak punch resistance but at least his fights are entertaining.

Dudey got schooled by a journey man Marcus DeCorley so there is no chance he will get a rematch with AK unless they decide to build Kahn back up with a couple of domestic high profile fights that he will easily win.

this whole post is a christmas joke, are the lights still on in your dome???

Marcus DeCorley ffs 

Other than messing up the name, everything he said is absolutely correct. Where's the joke?

in your opinion. My opinion is Dudey would have battered him in the 2nd half of the fight. Hope he gets another rattle at Khan

[Christmas Lights]

I hope there is a rematch with Paul McCloskey, and hopefully Dudey can finish Khan's career!

This is laughable, Dudey had his chance and is just about European standard, he never layed a glove on Khan for 6 rounds 

Khan was well in contention after 2 rounds that fight and probably winning the third until he got tagged, he has a weak punch resistance but at least his fights are entertaining.

Dudey got schooled by a journey man Marcus DeCorley so there is no chance he will get a rematch with AK unless they decide to build Kahn back up with a couple of domestic high profile fights that he will easily win.

this whole post is a christmas joke, are the lights still on in your dome???

Marcus DeCorley ffs 

Other than messing up the name, everything he said is absolutely correct. Where's the joke?

in your opinion. My opinion is Dudey would have battered him in the 2nd half of the fight. Hope he gets another rattle at Khan

Apologies for messing up the name first time round.

People really need to take off the Irish tinted glasses when referring to the Dudey-Khan fight.  If people think that Dudey was comfortable through the first six rounds then Khan must have been even more-so. 
Unfortunately Dudey doesn't have the natural power to trouble any of the fighters at world level.  He would be lucky to last a round against someone like Garcia who would walk right through his punches, a bit like he did with Khan. 
What Dudey does have is good feetwork and is hard to hit but his guard is shocking and as said, he doesn't have the power to keep the top fighters at bay.  He may get a rematch with Khan but again this would only be to build Khan's name back up.  Id expect Khan to stop him if they met again.

People calling for Khan to retire is premature in my opinion.  He does need a lot of improvements as when he gets hit, his gameplan goes out the window, he needs to learn to cover up and survive.  I also think he needs to leave Freddie Roach who seems to prioritise other fighters over Khan and has him trotting all over the globe to train with other fighers.  I dont think his management is good for him either, his dad and that entourage seem like total pricks.  I think he would be better looking for new management and a new trainer.

The punch that done the damage was sort of on the ear and neck if you look at it in slow mo, must have really fooked up his balance 

[Evil Genius]

People calling for Khan to retire is premature in my opinion.  He does need a lot of improvements as when he gets hit, his gameplan goes out the window, he needs to learn to cover up and survive. 

It has been evident ever since he fought Breidis Prescott that Khan has got a "Glass Chin" i.e. when he ships a big shot, his brain scrambles and he's remains defenceless until either the bell goes or the Referee intervenes.
No amount of "improvement" or "cover up" will prevent him getting hit at least occasionally from when he meets top-class fighters, which means that for all his undoubted other skills etc, he can never be counted a top-class fighter himself.

The punch that done the damage was sort of on the ear and neck if you look at it in slow mo, must have really fooked up his balance 

Prescott's punches were nowhere near his ear or neck:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shUqYIkMXu0

[nrico2006]

Khan really does himself no favours does he??

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/18852698

But Khan responded: "Carl's always got his little things to say and I'll leave it to that really. If he wants to retire he can retire.

"I'm in a tougher division, I'm fighting better opposition and I'm a bigger name than him. That's what burns him really.

Yeah for some reason I don't think Froch is too worried about what Khan has to say about him!!

Just after reading that on BBC, and thats one of the main reasons why I can't stand Khan.  It was the same with the papers on Saturday, he was slabbering about how he was going to fight Mayweather next.  How has he fought better opposition than Froch?  Balls.  As for it being a tougher division, I would also disagree.  Look at the wins Khan has had the past few years since Prescott, and they have been against over-rated power punchers (Malignaggi, Salita etc) or flukey technical decisions (MAB & McCloskey), although I agree McCloskey probably wouldn't have troubled him had the fight went on.  I hope he doesn't get a rematch because he is the one fighter who never seems to give anyone a rematch when circumstances call for it, and in the Garcia fight it was hardly a contentious points win so why would or should Garcia bother.

[screenmachine]

Yeah, I agree with EG.  All this talk about Khan boxing well and if he boxes smarter he can beat the better fighters.  He's going to get caught at least once throughout a fight and if he can't take those shots, a heavy handed fighter will leave him on his ass every time.

As for his comments towards Froch, he's only a bigger name because he is, or at least was, the darling of the English media.  Now that he's starting to get found out the Americans will drop him like a hot potato and when he's crawling around looking to fight lesser fighters or previous opponents, he'll soon realise he's not as hot a property as he would like to think.

I agree about his management, they all seem like gold digging and arrogant characters - a bit like Khan himself actually.  The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

On McCloskey, he doesn't have the power to batter anyone at that level.  He's great at not getting hit but as he's normally standing with his hands at his side it only takes one wrong move to get emptied, just like it happened in his last fight, although he was caught repeatedly if memory serves me right.

I was never as happy to hear Garcia's father at the press conference afterwards saying they wouldn't consider a rematch as they are moving onto bigger and better things.  Just like Khan had said at the McCloskey press conference afterwards, for all McCloskey's lack of impact in the early stages of that fight, it was a farcical decision to stop it and he probably deserved another crack at the time.

[Christmas Lights]

People calling for Khan to retire is premature in my opinion.  He does need a lot of improvements as when he gets hit, his gameplan goes out the window, he needs to learn to cover up and survive. 

It has been evident ever since he fought Breidis Prescott that Khan has got a "Glass Chin" i.e. when he ships a big shot, his brain scrambles and he's remains defenceless until either the bell goes or the Referee intervenes.
No amount of "improvement" or "cover up" will prevent him getting hit at least occasionally from when he meets top-class fighters, which means that for all his undoubted other skills etc, he can never be counted a top-class fighter himself.

The punch that done the damage was sort of on the ear and neck if you look at it in slow mo, must have really fooked up his balance 

Prescott's punches were nowhere near his ear or neck:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shUqYIkMXu0

Glass Chin & a Glass neck then!!!

[screenexile]

Yeah, I agree with EG.  All this talk about Khan boxing well and if he boxes smarter he can beat the better fighters.  He's going to get caught at least once throughout a fight and if he can't take those shots, a heavy handed fighter will leave him on his ass every time.

As for his comments towards Froch, he's only a bigger name because he is, or at least was, the darling of the English media.  Now that he's starting to get found out the Americans will drop him like a hot potato and when he's crawling around looking to fight lesser fighters or previous opponents, he'll soon realise he's not as hot a property as he would like to think.

I agree about his management, they all seem like gold digging and arrogant characters - a bit like Khan himself actually.  The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

On McCloskey, he doesn't have the power to batter anyone at that level.  He's great at not getting hit but as he's normally standing with his hands at his side it only takes one wrong move to get emptied, just like it happened in his last fight, although he was caught repeatedly if memory serves me right.

I was never as happy to hear Garcia's father at the press conference afterwards saying they wouldn't consider a rematch as they are moving onto bigger and better things.  Just like Khan had said at the McCloskey press conference afterwards, for all McCloskey's lack of impact in the early stages of that fight, it was a farcical decision to stop it and he probably deserved another crack at the time.

I may have to go take a shower after this but I agree with all of that!!

Amir's situation is reminding me of something similar that happened a few years back. Olympic Champion, Brtish, aspirations of a World Title, glass chin  . . . Oh that's right!

[Christmas Lights]

There is a lot of hate for Khan but you guys cannot admit he isn't good to watch.  I think its his faults that make him a must watch.  He has speed and power to trouble opponents but he also has the ability of going from dominating a fight to utter meltdown with one punch such is his poor punch resistance.  Perfect example was Saturday night and the fight with Madiana was the same, boxed brilliantly and then caught with one and the Jelly legs came.

Always makes good matches as well Khan and doesn't duck a challenge, gets a lot of bad press but he does aim to fight the best int the divisions.

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There is a lot of hate for Khan but you guys cannot admit he isn't good to watch.  I think its his faults that make him a must watch.  He has speed and power to trouble opponents but he also has the ability of going from dominating a fight to utter meltdown with one punch such is his poor punch resistance.  Perfect example was Saturday night and the fight with Madiana was the same, boxed brilliantly and then caught with one and the Jelly legs came.

Always makes good matches as well Khan and doesn't duck a challenge, gets a lot of bad press but he does aim to fight the best int the divisions.

I'm not saying he's not good to watch but he's a complete tube. The way he behaved after the McCloskey and Peterson fights was an absolute disgrace. Let's be honest he's done nothing in his professional career that would suggest he can mix it with the big boys. Anyone he has fought has been a bum or else at the tail end of their career.

I love watching small lads with plenty of heart get the shite knocked out of them but they can't then turn around and say they should be in the ring with Mayweather/Pacquiao etc.

[CiKe]

Khan really does himself no favours does he??

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/18852698

But Khan responded: "Carl's always got his little things to say and I'll leave it to that really. If he wants to retire he can retire.

"I'm in a tougher division, I'm fighting better opposition and I'm a bigger name than him. That's what burns him really.

Yeah for some reason I don't think Froch is too worried about what Khan has to say about him!!

Just after reading that on BBC, and thats one of the main reasons why I can't stand Khan.  It was the same with the papers on Saturday, he was slabbering about how he was going to fight Mayweather next.  How has he fought better opposition than Froch?  Balls.  As for it being a tougher division, I would also disagree.  Look at the wins Khan has had the past few years since Prescott, and they have been against over-rated power punchers (Malignaggi, Salita etc) or flukey technical decisions (MAB & McCloskey), although I agree McCloskey probably wouldn't have troubled him had the fight went on.  I hope he doesn't get a rematch because he is the one fighter who never seems to give anyone a rematch when circumstances call for it, and in the Garcia fight it was hardly a contentious points win so why would or should Garcia bother.

I'd be fairly confident in saying that I don't think anyone in world boxing has fought as consistently high a standard of opponent as Carl Froch has over the last 4 years:

Jean Pascal (then undefeated, goes on to win LHW title)
Jermain Taylor (two defeats to Pavlikk, previously dethroned Hopkins)
Andre Dirrell (undefeated at time)
Mikel Kessler (two defeats, one being one of the toughest fights of Calzaghe's career, the other being to "Son of God" who is so good he would be top fighter in most eras)
Artur Abraham (only a DQ loss on resume to Dirrell, pretty fearsome puncher though personally never convinced)
Glen Johnson (many more defeats on his resume than he should have - tough as nails)
Andre Ward (undefeated, possibly the next P4P number 1 when Mayweather hangs up the gloves)
Lucian Bute (undefeated and very well rated - talk of him being ill and so on, to be fair I didn't see him putting u any excuses - Froch battered him)
Jo

That is 8 seriously tough fights on the go. Not certain but possibly the only fights he would have gone in as favourite were Pascal and Johnson. I thought he lost to Dirrell mind but no shame at all in losing to Kessler and Ward.

[Atticus_Finch]

Think a couple of lads on here being a tad disrespectful to DeMarcus Corley.  They seem to know enough about his career to call him a journeyman but don't even know his name, speaks volumes.  Any boxer that has gone the distance with Floyd Mayweather Jnr, lost on a split decision to Zab Judah, troubled Miguel Cotto must have some sort of boxing pedigree.  There is no denying Paul McCloskey had a bad night at the office when he fought Corley, having title aspirations he not only had to beat him, he had to beat him convincingly. He left his strongest asset, his elusiveness, at home that night.  I know he was happy with his training camp and couldn't pin point any weaknesses but his wife had a child during the training camp and I think that naturally took away his focus to an extent although he would most likely deny that. 

Don't really want to go over the McCloskey vs Khan fight again it's been talked about enough ... although Khan was winning the fight in the early stages he was not winning convincingly, depite his best efforts he was not landing how he would have liked to.  The fact was that McCloskey was denied his opportunity of executing the blueprint that was drawn up before the fight.  Whether that blueprint would have gone to plan ? i'll never know and nor will anyone else, a bout can change in a matter of seconds ... but the circumstances in which he was denied the right to fight his fight was an injustice. 

McCloskey has gone back to the drawing board and is prepared to start from almost scratch in his quest for a shot again. Once upon a time he was the headlining bouts in Belfast but on Thursday he'll be announced as appearing on the undercard of the Carl Frampton vs Kiko Martinez fight on the 22nd of September.  Even with being on the undercard i'd be surprised if McCloskey's fans do not outnumber that of any other fighter on the night. Khan could take a couple of lessons from him on how to act outside of the ring and how to build up and retain a loyal fanbase.  Don't get me wrong the 22nd of September isn't a contest to see who has the most fans,  it is about belfast having a great night of boxing displaying all the local fighters with Martin lindsay and jamie conlan also involved.  Brian Magee is also scheduled to be having his WBA super middleweight title shot against Karoly Balzsay on the same date but I would imagine that will be moved to another date.

I was truly delighted to see Garcia triumph at the weekend, I didn't see it coming and that element of surprise made it all the better.  I think Khan refused to learn the lessons of the Peterson fight as he felt he had no lessons to learn with Peterson failing a drugs test.  Perhaps he felt that a drug free Peterson would have lost and there was nothing to be worried about.  When Khan gets in a bit of bother his boxing brain switches off, when the adrenalin kicks in he always seems to opt for fight rather than flight.  This pursuit of the former is great for tv but it is never going to serve him well.

Even in victory I think Garica may be able to learn a thing or two from Khan.  Does anyone else see the parallels between the two in respect of family involvement ?  In the post fight conference, Garcia did not have time to finish his sentence in which he seemed set to say that he would offer Khan a rematch when his dad jumped in and made the decision for him.  I've always felt that Khan's career has been badly handled due to the involvement of his family.  On more than one occasion they've let their pursuit of money make decisions which have harmed Khan's career and also his image in the boxing world.  Garcia's father has done nothing to suggest that he hasn't always put the interests of his son first but if Garcia is to make the step up to the next level (and I don't think that by defeating Khan he necessarily has) then he might want to surround himself with one or two more people that are a bit more angelic than Angel Garcia.

[Rois]

Urgent request for advice:

I was thinking of getting tickets for a fight between Andre Ward and Chad Dawson in September when myself and my boyfriend are over in SF.

Is that a fight that he would want to see?  He's fairly interested in boxing and has been to a few fights in Vegas - will this live up to what he's seen before?  Or are they two people that he'll never have heard of? 

[bridgegael]

Book it. Big fight. If he has any notion of boxing he will know t!!hese guys and look forward to that fight