NFL Division 1

[tonto1888]

The moaning by thebigfullforward is worse than that kid

And just out of curiosity, are you saying dragging a player down isn't a foul?

No but the whingeing is insufferable

OK so we should just shut up and accept poor referee performances. Got it 👍. Keeping quiet and accepting things has always brought about a change in the past sure

Yeah, that's refreshing, accept it wasn't seen and get on with it.

It ain't a professional sport, these are the best we have and unless you get off your arse and show them how to do it we are where we are

There was a foul on one of Armagh players last night. Looked like the guy wrapped his arms around the waist of our player and dragged him down. Why was that not a black? I accept that being in the stand the ref was a lot closer than I was but I thought that was why the black was brought in

Didn't watch all of the game so didn't see that. But my point is this, these are the best we have, they make the judgement, rightly or wrongly depending on who you support.

It's pointless though to actually have a ref running around the pitch, big tennis umpires chair in the middle would suffice considering that's were most of the 'actual' ref's are

I get where you're coming from at the end there but people will always give their opinions and state how the ref was wrong. It's just what it is. I try not to give off about them until I see the incidents on television again as the view from the stand is never as good as the ref's view. Especially when you have your orange tinted glasses on

[APM]

The moaning by thebigfullforward is worse than that kid

And just out of curiosity, are you saying dragging a player down isn't a foul?

No but the whingeing is insufferable

OK so we should just shut up and accept poor referee performances. Got it 👍. Keeping quiet and accepting things has always brought about a change in the past sure

Yeah, that's refreshing, accept it wasn't seen and get on with it.

It ain't a professional sport, these are the best we have and unless you get off your arse and show them how to do it we are where we are

There was a foul on one of Armagh players last night. Looked like the guy wrapped his arms around the waist of our player and dragged him down. Why was that not a black? I accept that being in the stand the ref was a lot closer than I was but I thought that was why the black was brought in

Didn't watch all of the game so didn't see that. But my point is this, these are the best we have, they make the judgement, rightly or wrongly depending on who you support.

It's pointless though to actually have a ref running around the pitch, big tennis umpires chair in the middle would suffice considering that's were most of the 'actual' ref's are

I know refs have a hard job, but their cause isn't helped with the nonsense that went on last night at half time in Croke Park.
https://www.facebook.com/reel/942517891638877/?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v

[Milltown Row2]

The moaning by thebigfullforward is worse than that kid

And just out of curiosity, are you saying dragging a player down isn't a foul?

No but the whingeing is insufferable

OK so we should just shut up and accept poor referee performances. Got it 👍. Keeping quiet and accepting things has always brought about a change in the past sure

Yeah, that's refreshing, accept it wasn't seen and get on with it.

It ain't a professional sport, these are the best we have and unless you get off your arse and show them how to do it we are where we are

There was a foul on one of Armagh players last night. Looked like the guy wrapped his arms around the waist of our player and dragged him down. Why was that not a black? I accept that being in the stand the ref was a lot closer than I was but I thought that was why the black was brought in

Didn't watch all of the game so didn't see that. But my point is this, these are the best we have, they make the judgement, rightly or wrongly depending on who you support.

It's pointless though to actually have a ref running around the pitch, big tennis umpires chair in the middle would suffice considering that's were most of the 'actual' ref's are

I know refs have a hard job, but their cause isn't helped with the nonsense that went on last night at half time in Croke Park.
https://www.facebook.com/reel/942517891638877/?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v

I did see this and it was handbags and for me wouldn't warrant anything, but the ref took advice and if there was an incident leading up to this I didn't see it, did Burns say something? Players randomly don't start grabbing people's jerseys so it's not just as cut and dried at times..

[thebigfullforward]

The moaning by thebigfullforward is worse than that kid

And just out of curiosity, are you saying dragging a player down isn't a foul?

No but the whingeing is insufferable

OK so we should just shut up and accept poor referee performances. Got it 👍. Keeping quiet and accepting things has always brought about a change in the past sure

Yeah, that's refreshing, accept it wasn't seen and get on with it.

It ain't a professional sport, these are the best we have and unless you get off your arse and show them how to do it we are where we are

I've recently reffed a few U12 and U14 games and have done umpire for I don't know how long at U16 and minor level for the club so not sure what point you're trying to make there? And I'm gonna guess you also apply that to when people criticise players for making mistakes and that you've never criticised a player before

[Milltown Row2]

Juvenile games? Christ 

[Rossfan]

Odds

To win the Div 1 title

Kerry 23/10
Donegal 4/1
Armagh,Dublin and Mayo 6/1
Galway 17/2
Monaghan 20/1
Roscommon 25/1

To be relegated

Roscommon 4/11
Monaghan  11/10
Armagh 23/10
Dublin,Galway,Mayo 10/3
Donegal 8/1
Kerry 22/1

[thebigfullforward]

Juvenile games? Christ 

Undermining underage games? Some support your showing for the young lads there. Notice how you didn't comment on any other part of that reply

[Milltown Row2]

Juvenile games? Christ 

Undermining underage games? Some support your showing for the young lads there. Notice how you didn't comment on any other part of that reply

Some mental gymnastics there! Not supporting underage games! Christ!

There's a huge difference between a game at the park and one at Croker, you can work that one out?

As for no comment, players managers coaching staff all make mistakes as do refs, but remember this, the players will always make more balls ups in a game, as for criticising players, as a club member player manager supporter and ref no one escapes that, naturally we view things not objectively when it's your own...

Recently did a game with a team complaining about certain calls in the game, they scored two points in the second half, when I pointed that out it didn't go down well..

[David McKeown]

The moaning by thebigfullforward is worse than that kid

And just out of curiosity, are you saying dragging a player down isn't a foul?

No but the whingeing is insufferable

OK so we should just shut up and accept poor referee performances. Got it 👍. Keeping quiet and accepting things has always brought about a change in the past sure

Yeah, that's refreshing, accept it wasn't seen and get on with it.

It ain't a professional sport, these are the best we have and unless you get off your arse and show them how to do it we are where we are

There was a foul on one of Armagh players last night. Looked like the guy wrapped his arms around the waist of our player and dragged him down. Why was that not a black? I accept that being in the stand the ref was a lot closer than I was but I thought that was why the black was brought in

Didn't watch all of the game so didn't see that. But my point is this, these are the best we have, they make the judgement, rightly or wrongly depending on who you support.

It's pointless though to actually have a ref running around the pitch, big tennis umpires chair in the middle would suffice considering that's were most of the 'actual' ref's are

I know refs have a hard job, but their cause isn't helped with the nonsense that went on last night at half time in Croke Park.
https://www.facebook.com/reel/942517891638877/?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v

I did see this and it was handbags and for me wouldn't warrant anything, but the ref took advice and if there was an incident leading up to this I didn't see it, did Burns say something? Players randomly don't start grabbing people's jerseys so it's not just as cut and dried at times..

I think this encapsulates the issues I have both with refereeing and with the current rules.

You have effectively said that you would have ignored some rules relating to an incident but not others.

Secondly no one knows why a potentially season altering decision was made the way it was. Literally we have no clue.

I've never refereed at a high level and whilst I admire those who do for their dedication I also don't accept that we should either accept that this is the best we can do or that officials can not be criticised.

I've long said the game at the highest levels is now too big, too fast, too complex and too professional for one amateur referee. For me it's come to the stage where the organisation need to be doing more to assist officials. Be that through the use of technology, improving the rule book or introducing a professional tier of officials I don't know but I think something has to be done.

[5times5times]

Did rte just ignore completely the incompetent officiating in croker last night?

Shambolic if so

[Harold Disgracey]

Did rte just ignore completely the incompetent officiating in croker last night?

Shambolic if so

That was pathetic by RTÉ, not only did they fail to address the officiating issues they completely ignored Conaty's goal in their discussions. Bizarre.

[moonster]

Odds

To win the Div 1 title

Kerry 23/10
Donegal 4/1
Armagh,Dublin and Mayo 6/1
Galway 17/2
Monaghan 20/1
Roscommon 25/1

To be relegated

Roscommon 4/11
Monaghan  11/10
Armagh 23/10
Dublin,Galway,Mayo 10/3
Donegal 8/1
Kerry 22/1

Kerry were 3/1 to win league this weekend games. They will win with ease now.

[Milltown Row2]

The moaning by thebigfullforward is worse than that kid

And just out of curiosity, are you saying dragging a player down isn't a foul?

No but the whingeing is insufferable

OK so we should just shut up and accept poor referee performances. Got it 👍. Keeping quiet and accepting things has always brought about a change in the past sure

Yeah, that's refreshing, accept it wasn't seen and get on with it.

It ain't a professional sport, these are the best we have and unless you get off your arse and show them how to do it we are where we are

There was a foul on one of Armagh players last night. Looked like the guy wrapped his arms around the waist of our player and dragged him down. Why was that not a black? I accept that being in the stand the ref was a lot closer than I was but I thought that was why the black was brought in

Didn't watch all of the game so didn't see that. But my point is this, these are the best we have, they make the judgement, rightly or wrongly depending on who you support.

It's pointless though to actually have a ref running around the pitch, big tennis umpires chair in the middle would suffice considering that's were most of the 'actual' ref's are

I know refs have a hard job, but their cause isn't helped with the nonsense that went on last night at half time in Croke Park.
https://www.facebook.com/reel/942517891638877/?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v

I did see this and it was handbags and for me wouldn't warrant anything, but the ref took advice and if there was an incident leading up to this I didn't see it, did Burns say something? Players randomly don't start grabbing people's jerseys so it's not just as cut and dried at times..

I think this encapsulates the issues I have both with refereeing and with the current rules.

You have effectively said that you would have ignored some rules relating to an incident but not others.

Secondly no one knows why a potentially season altering decision was made the way it was. Literally we have no clue.

I've never refereed at a high level and whilst I admire those who do for their dedication I also don't accept that we should either accept that this is the best we can do or that officials can not be criticised.

I've long said the game at the highest levels is now too big, too fast, too complex and too professional for one amateur referee. For me it's come to the stage where the organisation need to be doing more to assist officials. Be that through the use of technology, improving the rule book or introducing a professional tier of officials I don't know but I think something has to be done.

Multiple referee's in my book will just create more confusion, its not a professional sport and the ref's are held to a higher scrutiny at intercounty level, I don't think having professional refs would actually make them better either as they are well trained in comparison to us bog standard refs lol.

The interpretation of the rules is the ref's judgement at the time give what (in this case) what he was told, he had a full 15 minutes to come to a call, so it wasn't a quick rash call in the heat of the game

As you have mentioned the rules do need looked at as they are open for different interpretation, my 'ignoring' of the rules is based on what I seen, 99% of the public watching it would have said the same, grappling of jerseys and move on, what you and the rest didn't get was the rest of the information given by the other officials there. So you are assuming something without knowing all the facts, ironic lol

[cornetto]

All to play for next weekend.armagh v Kerry should be a cracker.An Armagh victory would really blow up the relegation battle.i think as it stands as long as Galway don't lose by more than 4 points to Dublin we should be ok.Can Roscommon lay down a marker against mayo??the league is so unpredictable,Galway could be relegated,Mayo could end up in the final and Kerry don't.😳Roll on the weekend.

[armaghniac]