NFL Division 1

[blanketattack]

Armagh to win
Mayo and Roscommon to draw
Kerry and Donegal in the final

[thebigfullforward]

Juvenile games? Christ 

Undermining underage games? Some support your showing for the young lads there. Notice how you didn't comment on any other part of that reply

Some mental gymnastics there! Not supporting underage games! Christ!

There's a huge difference between a game at the park and one at Croker, you can work that one out?

As for no comment, players managers coaching staff all make mistakes as do refs, but remember this, the players will always make more balls ups in a game, as for criticising players, as a club member player manager supporter and ref no one escapes that, naturally we view things not objectively when it's your own...

Recently did a game with a team complaining about certain calls in the game, they scored two points in the second half, when I pointed that out it didn't go down well..

So your open to criticising players and management teams but we aren't allowed to criticise refs? Am I reading that right?

[Milltown Row2]

Juvenile games? Christ 

Undermining underage games? Some support your showing for the young lads there. Notice how you didn't comment on any other part of that reply

Some mental gymnastics there! Not supporting underage games! Christ!

There's a huge difference between a game at the park and one at Croker, you can work that one out?

As for no comment, players managers coaching staff all make mistakes as do refs, but remember this, the players will always make more balls ups in a game, as for criticising players, as a club member player manager supporter and ref no one escapes that, naturally we view things not objectively when it's your own...

Recently did a game with a team complaining about certain calls in the game, they scored two points in the second half, when I pointed that out it didn't go down well..

So your open to criticising players and management teams but we aren't allowed to criticise refs? Am I reading that right?

Its not criticism its the scoreline 

Ref will react, they don't go looking for negative engagement, they'll explain, telling a player they have amassed two scores when they feel hard done by is just reminding them how well they played in the second half..

I don't know one referee who runs around the pitch criticising players when they make a mistake, but I know plenty on the pitch, sideline and behind the fence that do, when the ref makes a 'mistake'

With a name the bigfullforward I didn't have you down as a snowflake 

Now, are you able to read this right?

[statto]

The moaning by thebigfullforward is worse than that kid

And just out of curiosity, are you saying dragging a player down isn't a foul?

No but the whingeing is insufferable

OK so we should just shut up and accept poor referee performances. Got it 👍. Keeping quiet and accepting things has always brought about a change in the past sure

Yeah, that's refreshing, accept it wasn't seen and get on with it.

It ain't a professional sport, these are the best we have and unless you get off your arse and show them how to do it we are where we are

There was a foul on one of Armagh players last night. Looked like the guy wrapped his arms around the waist of our player and dragged him down. Why was that not a black? I accept that being in the stand the ref was a lot closer than I was but I thought that was why the black was brought in

Didn't watch all of the game so didn't see that. But my point is this, these are the best we have, they make the judgement, rightly or wrongly depending on who you support.

It's pointless though to actually have a ref running around the pitch, big tennis umpires chair in the middle would suffice considering that's were most of the 'actual' ref's are

I know refs have a hard job, but their cause isn't helped with the nonsense that went on last night at half time in Croke Park.
https://www.facebook.com/reel/942517891638877/?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v

I did see this and it was handbags and for me wouldn't warrant anything, but the ref took advice and if there was an incident leading up to this I didn't see it, did Burns say something? Players randomly don't start grabbing people's jerseys so it's not just as cut and dried at times..

I think this encapsulates the issues I have both with refereeing and with the current rules.

You have effectively said that you would have ignored some rules relating to an incident but not others.

Secondly no one knows why a potentially season altering decision was made the way it was. Literally we have no clue.

I've never refereed at a high level and whilst I admire those who do for their dedication I also don't accept that we should either accept that this is the best we can do or that officials can not be criticised.

I've long said the game at the highest levels is now too big, too fast, too complex and too professional for one amateur referee. For me it's come to the stage where the organisation need to be doing more to assist officials. Be that through the use of technology, improving the rule book or introducing a professional tier of officials I don't know but I think something has to be done.

I thought McGeeney made a very relevant point about the advantage rule as there is a lack of consistency within games and week to week.  Why not have say 5 seconds as the advantage rule if no clear advantage call back for the initial free.  This would make things easier for the referee and more consistency in the rules across the board. Iv been to a few club games last year and the length of the advantage a few refs played was painful and made the game stop/start which didn't help the game as a spectacle. 

[Cunny Funt]

Could we have a scenario whereby word gets through in Salthill that Kerry are winning comfortably up in Armagh and then Galway and Dublin play keep ball and play out a draw relegating Armagh.

[Armamike]

The moaning by thebigfullforward is worse than that kid

And just out of curiosity, are you saying dragging a player down isn't a foul?

No but the whingeing is insufferable

OK so we should just shut up and accept poor referee performances. Got it 👍. Keeping quiet and accepting things has always brought about a change in the past sure

Yeah, that's refreshing, accept it wasn't seen and get on with it.

It ain't a professional sport, these are the best we have and unless you get off your arse and show them how to do it we are where we are

There was a foul on one of Armagh players last night. Looked like the guy wrapped his arms around the waist of our player and dragged him down. Why was that not a black? I accept that being in the stand the ref was a lot closer than I was but I thought that was why the black was brought in

Didn't watch all of the game so didn't see that. But my point is this, these are the best we have, they make the judgement, rightly or wrongly depending on who you support.

It's pointless though to actually have a ref running around the pitch, big tennis umpires chair in the middle would suffice considering that's were most of the 'actual' ref's are

I know refs have a hard job, but their cause isn't helped with the nonsense that went on last night at half time in Croke Park.
https://www.facebook.com/reel/942517891638877/?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v

I did see this and it was handbags and for me wouldn't warrant anything, but the ref took advice and if there was an incident leading up to this I didn't see it, did Burns say something? Players randomly don't start grabbing people's jerseys so it's not just as cut and dried at times..

I think this encapsulates the issues I have both with refereeing and with the current rules.

You have effectively said that you would have ignored some rules relating to an incident but not others.

Secondly no one knows why a potentially season altering decision was made the way it was. Literally we have no clue.

I've never refereed at a high level and whilst I admire those who do for their dedication I also don't accept that we should either accept that this is the best we can do or that officials can not be criticised.

I've long said the game at the highest levels is now too big, too fast, too complex and too professional for one amateur referee. For me it's come to the stage where the organisation need to be doing more to assist officials. Be that through the use of technology, improving the rule book or introducing a professional tier of officials I don't know but I think something has to be done.

Multiple referee's in my book will just create more confusion, its not a professional sport and the ref's are held to a higher scrutiny at intercounty level, I don't think having professional refs would actually make them better either as they are well trained in comparison to us bog standard refs lol.

The interpretation of the rules is the ref's judgement at the time give what (in this case) what he was told, he had a full 15 minutes to come to a call, so it wasn't a quick rash call in the heat of the game

As you have mentioned the rules do need looked at as they are open for different interpretation, my 'ignoring' of the rules is based on what I seen, 99% of the public watching it would have said the same, grappling of jerseys and move on, what you and the rest didn't get was the rest of the information given by the other officials there. So you are assuming something without knowing all the facts, ironic lol

Why do we need a second referee when we have linesmen and umpires? Can they not help the ref? Just a thought.

[mouview]

Could we have a scenario whereby word gets through in Salthill that Kerry are winning comfortably up in Armagh and then Galway and Dublin play keep ball and play out a draw relegating Armagh.

Quite possibly, but it's not easy to control a match like this when there's something at stake for both teams, and this league has been littered with 'comfortable' leads being eroded through wind-advantage and series of two-pointers.

[Milltown Row2]

The moaning by thebigfullforward is worse than that kid

And just out of curiosity, are you saying dragging a player down isn't a foul?

No but the whingeing is insufferable

OK so we should just shut up and accept poor referee performances. Got it 👍. Keeping quiet and accepting things has always brought about a change in the past sure

Yeah, that's refreshing, accept it wasn't seen and get on with it.

It ain't a professional sport, these are the best we have and unless you get off your arse and show them how to do it we are where we are

There was a foul on one of Armagh players last night. Looked like the guy wrapped his arms around the waist of our player and dragged him down. Why was that not a black? I accept that being in the stand the ref was a lot closer than I was but I thought that was why the black was brought in

Didn't watch all of the game so didn't see that. But my point is this, these are the best we have, they make the judgement, rightly or wrongly depending on who you support.

It's pointless though to actually have a ref running around the pitch, big tennis umpires chair in the middle would suffice considering that's were most of the 'actual' ref's are

I know refs have a hard job, but their cause isn't helped with the nonsense that went on last night at half time in Croke Park.
https://www.facebook.com/reel/942517891638877/?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v

I did see this and it was handbags and for me wouldn't warrant anything, but the ref took advice and if there was an incident leading up to this I didn't see it, did Burns say something? Players randomly don't start grabbing people's jerseys so it's not just as cut and dried at times..

I think this encapsulates the issues I have both with refereeing and with the current rules.

You have effectively said that you would have ignored some rules relating to an incident but not others.

Secondly no one knows why a potentially season altering decision was made the way it was. Literally we have no clue.

I've never refereed at a high level and whilst I admire those who do for their dedication I also don't accept that we should either accept that this is the best we can do or that officials can not be criticised.

I've long said the game at the highest levels is now too big, too fast, too complex and too professional for one amateur referee. For me it's come to the stage where the organisation need to be doing more to assist officials. Be that through the use of technology, improving the rule book or introducing a professional tier of officials I don't know but I think something has to be done.

Multiple referee's in my book will just create more confusion, its not a professional sport and the ref's are held to a higher scrutiny at intercounty level, I don't think having professional refs would actually make them better either as they are well trained in comparison to us bog standard refs lol.

The interpretation of the rules is the ref's judgement at the time give what (in this case) what he was told, he had a full 15 minutes to come to a call, so it wasn't a quick rash call in the heat of the game

As you have mentioned the rules do need looked at as they are open for different interpretation, my 'ignoring' of the rules is based on what I seen, 99% of the public watching it would have said the same, grappling of jerseys and move on, what you and the rest didn't get was the rest of the information given by the other officials there. So you are assuming something without knowing all the facts, ironic lol

Why do we need a second referee when we have linesmen and umpires? Can they not help the ref? Just a thought.

They do, to an extent within the rules but again, it would till be their call, another referee in a different position giving his opinion, which in the case at Croker, the official on the line instructed the Ref on whatever happened and people aint happy lol.. so not sure how that will solve things

[naka]

Could we have a scenario whereby word gets through in Salthill that Kerry are winning comfortably up in Armagh and then Galway and Dublin play keep ball and play out a draw relegating Armagh.

Would be fun if Armagh winning comfortably and Dublin 2points up with 5 minutes to go
Definitely would be a proper ending in Salthill

[Rossfan]

Meanwhile in Division 1....
Looks like a Kerry Donegal Final (which of course should be in Hyde Park instead of dragging 2 western seaboard Counties to Croker).
Winner of Ros v Mayowestros will be hoping 1 of KY/DL slip up.
Kerry might be turned over by Armagh who need the victory more.

Monaghan relegated with Armagh,  Dublin and Galway trying to avoid joining them

[GoldCoastRossie]

I think Roscommon and Mayo to Draw odds will be quite low. 2 Shadow teams in Castlebar and let the Brigids lads have a run out and use the panel to give them all game time and start thinking of the bigger challenges ahead.

[David McKeown]

The moaning by thebigfullforward is worse than that kid

And just out of curiosity, are you saying dragging a player down isn't a foul?

No but the whingeing is insufferable

OK so we should just shut up and accept poor referee performances. Got it 👍. Keeping quiet and accepting things has always brought about a change in the past sure

Yeah, that's refreshing, accept it wasn't seen and get on with it.

It ain't a professional sport, these are the best we have and unless you get off your arse and show them how to do it we are where we are

There was a foul on one of Armagh players last night. Looked like the guy wrapped his arms around the waist of our player and dragged him down. Why was that not a black? I accept that being in the stand the ref was a lot closer than I was but I thought that was why the black was brought in

Didn't watch all of the game so didn't see that. But my point is this, these are the best we have, they make the judgement, rightly or wrongly depending on who you support.

It's pointless though to actually have a ref running around the pitch, big tennis umpires chair in the middle would suffice considering that's were most of the 'actual' ref's are

I know refs have a hard job, but their cause isn't helped with the nonsense that went on last night at half time in Croke Park.
https://www.facebook.com/reel/942517891638877/?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v

I did see this and it was handbags and for me wouldn't warrant anything, but the ref took advice and if there was an incident leading up to this I didn't see it, did Burns say something? Players randomly don't start grabbing people's jerseys so it's not just as cut and dried at times..

I think this encapsulates the issues I have both with refereeing and with the current rules.

You have effectively said that you would have ignored some rules relating to an incident but not others.

Secondly no one knows why a potentially season altering decision was made the way it was. Literally we have no clue.

I've never refereed at a high level and whilst I admire those who do for their dedication I also don't accept that we should either accept that this is the best we can do or that officials can not be criticised.

I've long said the game at the highest levels is now too big, too fast, too complex and too professional for one amateur referee. For me it's come to the stage where the organisation need to be doing more to assist officials. Be that through the use of technology, improving the rule book or introducing a professional tier of officials I don't know but I think something has to be done.

Multiple referee's in my book will just create more confusion, its not a professional sport and the ref's are held to a higher scrutiny at intercounty level, I don't think having professional refs would actually make them better either as they are well trained in comparison to us bog standard refs lol.

The interpretation of the rules is the ref's judgement at the time give what (in this case) what he was told, he had a full 15 minutes to come to a call, so it wasn't a quick rash call in the heat of the game

As you have mentioned the rules do need looked at as they are open for different interpretation, my 'ignoring' of the rules is based on what I seen, 99% of the public watching it would have said the same, grappling of jerseys and move on, what you and the rest didn't get was the rest of the information given by the other officials there. So you are assuming something without knowing all the facts, ironic lol

Apologies did I misunderstand you I thought you were saying you would have called the clear melee at the end of the half hand bags. If that's not a melee I don't know what is.

[thebigfullforward]

Juvenile games? Christ 

Undermining underage games? Some support your showing for the young lads there. Notice how you didn't comment on any other part of that reply

Some mental gymnastics there! Not supporting underage games! Christ!

There's a huge difference between a game at the park and one at Croker, you can work that one out?

As for no comment, players managers coaching staff all make mistakes as do refs, but remember this, the players will always make more balls ups in a game, as for criticising players, as a club member player manager supporter and ref no one escapes that, naturally we view things not objectively when it's your own...

Recently did a game with a team complaining about certain calls in the game, they scored two points in the second half, when I pointed that out it didn't go down well..

So your open to criticising players and management teams but we aren't allowed to criticise refs? Am I reading that right?

Its not criticism its the scoreline 

Ref will react, they don't go looking for negative engagement, they'll explain, telling a player they have amassed two scores when they feel hard done by is just reminding them how well they played in the second half..

I don't know one referee who runs around the pitch criticising players when they make a mistake, but I know plenty on the pitch, sideline and behind the fence that do, when the ref makes a 'mistake'

With a name the bigfullforward I didn't have you down as a snowflake 

Now, are you able to read this right?

How am I the snowflake when you're the one getting upset over a ref being rightly called out 😂. Anytime anyone on here criticises a ref you're the first one to say you can't do that. Jaysus man if a ref makes a mistake he's allowed to be criticised the same way players on here are criticised for not going for goals, making bad tackles, making poor passes etc. Not sure why you get so upset when people call out refs tbh

[David McKeown]

Has anyone mentioned the quality of the two pointer O'Shea (I think) scored from the ground from open play on Saturday. One of the best scores I think I've ever seen.

[Orior]

Has anyone mentioned the quality of the two pointer O'Shea (I think) scored from the ground from open play on Saturday. One of the best scores I think I've ever seen.

If you caught one of your U12's doing that would they get a cuff round the ear? lol