Saint Theresa of Calcutta

[Main Street]

With regard to MT and the level of care she provided I would point out the importance of suffering, pain, karma and reincarnation in all of this.  Do you know that MT was often stopped by locals from helping the dying and the suffering? Why? Because it interfered with karma and reincarnation and natural death.

Total horse dung.

Do you know that today true Hindu's are a real struggle for modern health care practitioners? That they rarely allow medical intervention and only allow certain types of pain medication?

You profess to have a knowing that you wish to share?
What's a true Hindu?
Do some research about India before writing such prejudiced, ignorant tripe.

[LCohen]

With regard to MT and the level of care she provided I would point out the importance of suffering, pain, karma and reincarnation in all of this.  Do you know that MT was often stopped by locals from helping the dying and the suffering? Why? Because it interfered with karma and reincarnation and natural death.
Do you know that today true Hindu's are a real struggle for modern health care practitioners? That they rarely allow medical intervention and only allow certain types of pain medication?

All this is a HUGE part of how MT approached the dying and what she was permitted to do.

Some of the comments on here are atrocious.  I've seen people talk bad about a GAA man who died or a GAA man who turned to gay porn and the collective board were up in arms.  MT was one of the greatest humanitarians we've seen - if you have nothing but hate or bad things to say then you're probably the very person she would have helped...

I think the point is not people are making atrocious comments about "one of the greatest humanitarians we've seen" but rather they are airing legitimate doubts as to whether she actually was "one of the greatest humanitarians we've seen". These doubts seem legitimate and worthy of further investigation.

There also seems to be a growing trend to label anyone raising such doubts as "ant-religious" as if that in any way addresses the doubts or the reason for the doubts. Most of the defenders just home back with a "how dare you attack this saintly woman" response and offer no evidence that the doubts about her are groundless. Others such as yourself do at least come back with something but tends to be stuff like the post above which never rises above the level of horseshit and isn't backed up with anything.

[omaghjoe]

Actually that's not the point Leonard, the point is people are saying that she done more harm than good and throwing about ridiculous comments like whore, and comparing her work to serial child abusers.

As for anyone "raising doubts" about her work I at least would welcome them and a bit of investigation tells us that the Vatican actually let these guys have their say as well. However we should bare in mind of what she seen as her remit and comparing her work to a modern hospital or NGO is a false analogy.

As for labeling or discrediting people who raise doubts I think Christopher Hitches does it all on his own with his sensationalist rubbish...  "mommie dearest" and "hells angel"  . And he was openly anti-religious so cant really relabel with that either. However probably more significantly he had to earn a living from his pieces so he had to make them sell.

[Main Street]

Actually that's not the point Leonard, the point is people are saying that she done more harm than good and throwing about ridiculous comments like whore, and comparing her work to serial child abusers.

As for anyone "raising doubts" about her work I at least would welcome them and a bit of investigation tells us that the Vatican actually let these guys have their say as well. However we should bare in mind of what she seen as her remit and comparing her work to a modern hospital or NGO is a false analogy.

As for labeling or discrediting people who raise doubts I think Christopher Hitches does it all on his own with his sensationalist rubbish...  "mommie dearest" and "hells angel"  . And he was openly anti-religious so cant really relabel with that either. However probably more significantly he had to earn a living from his pieces so he had to make them sell.

That's not the point, the point was Iceman's ridiculous post.
I don't know what happened that brought that piece of ignorant prejudiced garbage into the saintly mother's thread.
Are those views expressed by Iceman shared by many?
It's depressing to think such ignorance about humanity exists, under the garb of  pretentious religious piety.

[theskull1]

I didn't call her a whore joe
I said she whored herself. Please tell me why I shouldn't have used the term in the context of which it was used

whore
hɔː/
verb
gerund or present participle: whoring
(of a woman) work as a prostitute.
"she spent her life whoring for dangerous men"
synonyms:   work as a prostitute, prostitute oneself, sell one's body, sell oneself, walk the streets, be on the streets, solicit, work in the sex industry; More
(of a man) use the services of prostitutes.
noun: whoring
"he lived by night, indulging in his two hobbies, whoring and eating"
synonyms:   use prostitutes; archaicwench
"the pilots whored and drank like madmen"
debase oneself by doing something for unworthy motives, typically to make money.
"he had never whored after money"
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[stew]

Skull you are one sick, twisted individual, you have no shame at all, disgusting remarks on a woman who devoted her life to the poor, you are a disgrace!

Must be doing something right 

Nope, just a hate filled atheist who has not the moral fibre to say a single good word about a devout woman who dedicated her life to the poorest of the poor.

You are completely devoid of character in my opinion,I am done here, you make me sick!

[omaghjoe]

Actually that's not the point Leonard, the point is people are saying that she done more harm than good and throwing about ridiculous comments like whore, and comparing her work to serial child abusers.

As for anyone "raising doubts" about her work I at least would welcome them and a bit of investigation tells us that the Vatican actually let these guys have their say as well. However we should bare in mind of what she seen as her remit and comparing her work to a modern hospital or NGO is a false analogy.

As for labeling or discrediting people who raise doubts I think Christopher Hitches does it all on his own with his sensationalist rubbish...  "mommie dearest" and "hells angel"  . And he was openly anti-religious so cant really relabel with that either. However probably more significantly he had to earn a living from his pieces so he had to make them sell.

That's not the point, the point was Iceman's ridiculous post.
I don't know what happened that brought that piece of ignorant prejudiced garbage into the saintly mother's thread.
Are those views expressed by Iceman shared by many?
It's depressing to think such ignorance about humanity exists, under the garb of  pretentious religious piety.

Actually that was not the point what you are talking about is a side show your trying to start with Iceman.

However I will take you up on it as I had direct experience of it in India when a woman in bad straits who my wife took pity on being talked badly about. Now I dont know wether it was directly related to the notion of karma and reincarnation, the caste system, bad education or what but the chap who was a well dressed young chap and spoke pretty good English so I felt it ruled out the latter at least. Anyway he basically said that she was bad and dont worry about her.... she was deaf and homeless with 2 young kids.

Now I know this experience in no way represents all Indians, their culture or Hinduism and although it was probably the most explicit example of this type of attitude it was not isolated so it is certainly not inconceivable that Western missionaries and charities come up against this attitude. Again I stress I do not know the exact reason wether it be cultural religious or education but its certainly there in India.

[omaghjoe]

I didn't call her a whore joe
I said she whored herself. Please tell me why I shouldn't have used the term in the context of which it was used

whore
hɔː/
verb
gerund or present participle: whoring
(of a woman) work as a prostitute.
"she spent her life whoring for dangerous men"
synonyms:   work as a prostitute, prostitute oneself, sell one's body, sell oneself, walk the streets, be on the streets, solicit, work in the sex industry; More
(of a man) use the services of prostitutes.
noun: whoring
"he lived by night, indulging in his two hobbies, whoring and eating"
synonyms:   use prostitutes; archaicwench
"the pilots whored and drank like madmen"
debase oneself by doing something for unworthy motives, typically to make money.
"he had never whored after money"
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I think I will leave you with stew

[Eamonnca1]

Bump. Some people on another thread have raised objections to me criticizing Mother Theresa. If you're offended by that comment then you might want to watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WQ0i3nCx60

[theskull1]

Dead link

[Eamonnca1]

Thanks. Link updated.

[The Iceman]

so a documentary directed and produced by Christopher Hitchens (who isn't biased in any way of course against anything religious) claims that Mother Theresa was simply a product of accidental media hype.....I'll tell you one thing Eamonn - you're a piece of work lad. You point the finger at Tony but you're just as bad.
You should go and read some books on her.  Watch the films about her. Hear people on the ground who worked with her and knew her.  Research the other side of your beloved atheist argument.... She never claimed to be perfect. If you had even an inkling of her care for other people you'd be doing alright

[foxcommander]

so a documentary directed and produced by Christopher Hitchens (who isn't biased in any way of course against anything religious) claims that Mother Theresa was simply a product of accidental media hype.....I'll tell you one thing Eamonn - you're a piece of work lad. You point the finger at Tony but you're just as bad.
You should go and read some books on her.  Watch the films about her. Hear people on the ground who worked with her and knew her.  Research the other side of your beloved atheist argument.... She never claimed to be perfect. If you had even an inkling of her care for other people you'd be doing alright

If only the pro-abortion brigade had been aborted themselves.

[theskull1]

You're saying hitch has intentionally skewed his perspective to suit his own beliefs as have the testimonies of people in the documentary? Have you ever considered there could be some substance to the piece. Its very usual to blindly deny it if you don't want to open your eyes to that possibility.

Please forward links suiting your own perspective

[The Iceman]

come on lad you're better than that...please post links to argue with christopher hitchens...
please post your own links that prove Eamonn isn't a bollox....oh you can't then he must be?
eamonn is an angry atheist mad at God because he doesnt like the competition. surrounded by libtards in SFO who clink bluebottle coffee cups with him on park benches with mac workbooks on their laps "rar rar rar we're so intelligent...but we don't have a real job for any length of time....." sickens my hole
I was up in Seattle when the NA Championships were on and he didn't show - he was for the deadener then