Dublin v Kildare - Match Thread!

[Wildweasel74]

They are the all-ireland champions and there fore at the top of the pile till someone proves different

[Tony Baloney]

Jeez lads you are awful sore on Monaghan, sure Donegal haven't even played them yet.

[Lar Naparka]

Back in 1990 (I think) the GAA President, Peter Quinn, set up a review committee to explore ways to addressing the problem of the big drop out rate as kids progressed through the various grades right up to senior intercounty level.
Dublin was the main area of concern.
One of the recommendations that came from this review was that Dublin be split in two.
It seems that 5 named clubs in the county could field more juveniles on any weekend than any of 5 counties that were also listed. 
(Thomas Davis, Ballyboden, Brigid's, Vincent's and St. Anne's were the clubs and Cavan, Fermanagh, Sligo, Leitrim and Monaghan were the counties. I'm not 100% sure that I got the last one in either list right but the first four are correct.)
But the fall off rates in all Dublin clubs were far higher than was the case in any other county.
Arising out of all this, the review committee suggested that Dublin should be split in two.
With two separate county structures, more kids would remain involved for longer.

The Dublin reaction was predictable and the proposal was shelved. 
But the committee also pointed out that, if Cork and Belfast were excluded, Dublin had a greater population than the rest of the country and the gap was widening al the time.
Twenty three years on, the situation is even worse.
Maybe the review group's proposals should be looked at again...

im fed up listening to this crap. we've won two all irelands in 25 years. Worry about your own county Lar and why a Gaa mad county hasn't won an all-ireland since the 50's

Now, now, Indy, no tantrums please!
If you actually read what I wrote, you'd find that I was referring to the findings of Peter Quinn's committee and I didn't slag the Dubs in an way at any stage.
The review group concluded that something had to be done to stop so many youngsters opting out of playing Gaelic games. The population of Dublin was rapidly increasing and that of the rest of the country wasn't keeping pace. At the same time the drop out in Dublin was the highest in the country and things were getting worse; not better. 
One of the recommendations was to divide Dublin in twoThe only opinion I expressed was:
"Maybe the review group's proposals should be looked at again."
Now, that clears matters up, doesn't it

[Jinxy]

It was scary watching the pace of the first 10 minutes of the 2nd semi compared to our game.

[heffo]

McGuinness will have the Dubs for breakfast.

Played four, lost three, drawn one = McGuinness's record as a manager v Dublin

He's had his chances to eat us or breakfast

[Declan]

I was shocked at how poor Kildare were yesterday. Dublin have serious pace no doubt but greater challenges await.

[Jinxy]

I was shocked at how poor Kildare were yesterday. Dublin have serious pace no doubt but greater challenges await.

You mean us........ right?

[heffo]

Hard to know what to post.

For the Kildare lads who probably feel rock bottom now, it wasn't that long ago that we tanked by a bigger margin by Kerry - things can be turned around, I just don't see it happening with McGeeney though. The new players introduced can't be expected to be leaders overnight and will be big players for Kildare in the future.


Kildare's strength and conditioning looked way off to me - they look like Dublin circa 2007 - all weights. Dublin moved away from that in late 2008 to focus on more core work and speed and it told yesterday - Kildare looked very flat footed.

Dublin looked impressive albeit against very little challenge.

I'd heard Eoghan O'Gara was flying in training - looked very good when he came on too. Alan Brogan still to come back.

The playing style will have to be changed as the challenge grows though - those big gaping holes at the back will be exposed.

[Canalman]

For Kildare I think it was"one of those days "......  never to be repeated. As pointed out already we have had quiet a few of them in both football and hurling. Clare hurlers famously had a heap of them in the early 90s.
Big game in the minors next week I think that Kildare are fancied to win.

As for us, not good to be winning like this but better I suppose than losing. Nice to see the subs busting a gut when they came on trying obviously to get on the team.

To get back to Kildare, tbh I thought their U21 semi final performance v Galway was the more disappointing.

[Hardy]

Just something nobody has passed any remarks about. Dublin's goal at the end of the first half came a full fifteen seconds after the additional minute had elapsed. It meant Kildare went in five points down instead of two. I don't think anyone believes it would have made a difference, but that's hardly the point.

The extra fifteen seconds occurred not because there had been any delay, injury, substitution or time wasting. It occurred because of the stupid convention that the whistle is never blown while a team is attacking, no matter what time it is. Where did this come from? It's not in the rules. Maybe referees are taking the piss out of  Einstein's theory about time being relative.

As it happens, the only time I've ever seen a referee call time exactly on the button as a team was attacking was in last year's Meath-Kildare Leinster SF, when Michael Collins (who'd have thought) blew exactly on 37 minutes as Cian Ward was launching a shot for a point. It didn't go over, but Canning and Carney were having caniptions about it. Collins was right, though.

We spend a fortune on technology to see if a ball is wide or not, but referees are allowed to warp the laws of time and arbitrarily give an advantage to the attacking team against the defending team for no reason at all.

I suppose it's a mistimed rant at this stage, since the hooter is about to be introduced but still ...

And another thing. What's the point of the referee waiting until the goalie kicks out the ball before he blows the final or half-time whistle? What 's that for?

[Dinny Breen]

Just something nobody has passed any remarks about. Dublin's goal at the end of the first half came a full fifteen seconds after the additional minute had elapsed. It meant Kildare went in five points down instead of two. I don't think anyone believes it would have made a difference, but that's hardly the point.

The extra fifteen seconds occurred not because there had been any delay, injury, substitution or time wasting. It occurred because of the stupid convention that the whistle is never blown while a team is attacking, no matter what time it is. Where did this come from? It's not in the rules. Maybe referees are taking the piss out of  Einstein's theory about time being relative.

As it happens, the only time I've ever seen a referee call time exactly on the button as a team was attacking was in last year's Meath-Kildare Leinster SF, when Michael Collins (who'd have thought) blew exactly on 37 minutes as Cian Ward was launching a shot for a point. It didn't go over, but Canning and Carney were having caniptions about it. Collins was right, though.

We spend a fortune on technology to see if a ball is wide or not, but referees are allowed to warp the laws of time and arbitrarily give an advantage to the attacking team against the defending team for no reason at all.

I suppose it's a mistimed rant at this stage, since the hooter is about to be introduced but still ...

And another thing. What's the point of the referee waiting until the goalie kicks out the ball before he blows the final or half-time whistle? What 's that for?

It all came from a free that never was, should have been a Kildare side line ball, Kildare argued, concentration levels dropped and bang goal scored. Joe sure likes them Dubs. Would have only delayed the inevitable but definitely changed the dynamic of the game.

[Syferus]

I think blowing the whstle when a team is acttacking is an incredible anti-climax and it's something a lot of field sports shy away away from, be it needing the ball to go dead in rugby or a team to clear the ball in soccer.

It's about entertainment and drama, two key thing in any sport that had designs on being good to watch.

I'd hope with the introduction of any start-stop clock we'd echo rugby and require the ball to go dead to end a game.

[Hardy]

I think blowing the whstle when a team is acttacking is an incredible anti-climax and it's something a lot of field sports shy away away from, be it needing the ball to go dead in rugby or a team to clear the ball in soccer.

It's about entertainment and drama, two key thing in any sport that had designs on being good to watch.

I'd hope with the introduction of any start-stop clock we'd echo rugby and require the ball to go dead to end a game.

I think that's the plan. It's how it should always have been done, independent clock or no. It's over when the ball goes dead after the official time elapses, unless the ball goes dead for a free.

Drama or no drama, there's no justification for giving one team a chance to get an additional score just because they happen to have the ball in their opponents' half and thereby arbitrarily penalising the other team.

[Jinxy]

I think blowing the whstle when a team is acttacking is an incredible anti-climax and it's something a lot of field sports shy away away from, be it needing the ball to go dead in rugby or a team to clear the ball in soccer.

It's about entertainment and drama, two key thing in any sport that had designs on being good to watch.

I'd hope with the introduction of any start-stop clock we'd echo rugby and require the ball to go dead to end a game.

We had that already.
Dunno why it wasn't kept.

[heffo]

Just something nobody has passed any remarks about. Dublin's goal at the end of the first half came a full fifteen seconds after the additional minute had elapsed. It meant Kildare went in five points down instead of two. I don't think anyone believes it would have made a difference, but that's hardly the point.

The extra fifteen seconds occurred not because there had been any delay, injury, substitution or time wasting. It occurred because of the stupid convention that the whistle is never blown while a team is attacking, no matter what time it is. Where did this come from? It's not in the rules. Maybe referees are taking the piss out of  Einstein's theory about time being relative.

As it happens, the only time I've ever seen a referee call time exactly on the button as a team was attacking was in last year's Meath-Kildare Leinster SF, when Michael Collins (who'd have thought) blew exactly on 37 minutes as Cian Ward was launching a shot for a point. It didn't go over, but Canning and Carney were having caniptions about it. Collins was right, though.

We spend a fortune on technology to see if a ball is wide or not, but referees are allowed to warp the laws of time and arbitrarily give an advantage to the attacking team against the defending team for no reason at all.

I suppose it's a mistimed rant at this stage, since the hooter is about to be introduced but still ...

And another thing. What's the point of the referee waiting until the goalie kicks out the ball before he blows the final or half-time whistle? What 's that for?

It all came from a free that never was, should have been a Kildare side line ball, Kildare argued, concentration levels dropped and bang goal scored. Joe sure likes them Dubs. Would have only delayed the inevitable but definitely changed the dynamic of the game.

Unless the rules have changed, you cannot should someone in the back as he bends for the ball.