Dublin v Kildare - Match Thread!

[Dinny Breen]

Just something nobody has passed any remarks about. Dublin's goal at the end of the first half came a full fifteen seconds after the additional minute had elapsed. It meant Kildare went in five points down instead of two. I don't think anyone believes it would have made a difference, but that's hardly the point.

The extra fifteen seconds occurred not because there had been any delay, injury, substitution or time wasting. It occurred because of the stupid convention that the whistle is never blown while a team is attacking, no matter what time it is. Where did this come from? It's not in the rules. Maybe referees are taking the piss out of  Einstein's theory about time being relative.

As it happens, the only time I've ever seen a referee call time exactly on the button as a team was attacking was in last year's Meath-Kildare Leinster SF, when Michael Collins (who'd have thought) blew exactly on 37 minutes as Cian Ward was launching a shot for a point. It didn't go over, but Canning and Carney were having caniptions about it. Collins was right, though.

We spend a fortune on technology to see if a ball is wide or not, but referees are allowed to warp the laws of time and arbitrarily give an advantage to the attacking team against the defending team for no reason at all.

I suppose it's a mistimed rant at this stage, since the hooter is about to be introduced but still ...

And another thing. What's the point of the referee waiting until the goalie kicks out the ball before he blows the final or half-time whistle? What 's that for?

It all came from a free that never was, should have been a Kildare side line ball, Kildare argued, concentration levels dropped and bang goal scored. Joe sure likes them Dubs. Would have only delayed the inevitable but definitely changed the dynamic of the game.

Unless the rules have changed, you cannot should someone in the back as he bends for the ball.

Is that you Joe?

[INDIANA]

Just something nobody has passed any remarks about. Dublin's goal at the end of the first half came a full fifteen seconds after the additional minute had elapsed. It meant Kildare went in five points down instead of two. I don't think anyone believes it would have made a difference, but that's hardly the point.

The extra fifteen seconds occurred not because there had been any delay, injury, substitution or time wasting. It occurred because of the stupid convention that the whistle is never blown while a team is attacking, no matter what time it is. Where did this come from? It's not in the rules. Maybe referees are taking the piss out of  Einstein's theory about time being relative.

As it happens, the only time I've ever seen a referee call time exactly on the button as a team was attacking was in last year's Meath-Kildare Leinster SF, when Michael Collins (who'd have thought) blew exactly on 37 minutes as Cian Ward was launching a shot for a point. It didn't go over, but Canning and Carney were having caniptions about it. Collins was right, though.

We spend a fortune on technology to see if a ball is wide or not, but referees are allowed to warp the laws of time and arbitrarily give an advantage to the attacking team against the defending team for no reason at all.

I suppose it's a mistimed rant at this stage, since the hooter is about to be introduced but still ...

And another thing. What's the point of the referee waiting until the goalie kicks out the ball before he blows the final or half-time whistle? What 's that for?

It all came from a free that never was, should have been a Kildare side line ball, Kildare argued, concentration levels dropped and bang goal scored. Joe sure likes them Dubs. Would have only delayed the inevitable but definitely changed the dynamic of the game.

Unless the rules have changed, you cannot should someone in the back as he bends for the ball.

Is that you Joe?

You got off lightly yesterday Dinny. If we'd have been ruthless it could have been a  record defeat of all time for Kildare. I wouldn't be complaining I'd be thanking my lucky stars.

Tactically Kildare were a shambles.

- no defensive structure. Against the team with the most fire[power up front the  full back line  were  hung out to dry.

- kick-outs- cluxton kicks them short - kildare man ambles out. puts no pressure on the dublin player and lets him move it up the field. You either be close enough to ensure cluxton can't kick the ball to the spare man. Or you drop back to 6- kildare did neither.

-Pick a keeper comfortable with the ball. kildare tried to use him as  a sweeper and it backfired spectacularly.

- Kicked high ball into the full forward line and leave your best ball winner on the bench.

Horror show all round.

We got nothing out of that game yesterday after the first 10 mins. It was of absolutely no benefit to us whatsoever down the line when we'll play the contenders Mayo, Donegal, Cork, Tyrone and maybe Kerry. Quite possible this could be 2008 all over again.

Mayo and Dublin haven't had a game in the championship yet and it could well come back to haunt them.
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[highorlow]

The lilies looked over trained [if that's possible] to me. 9 was gone after fifteen minutes Boston was gone after a half hour along with most of the team. I wonder were they suffering from food poisoning or something? No way are Dublin that good and kildare that bad. Kildare will make a semi final yet.

[Jinxy]

For a team with a full time strength & conditioning coach they weren't exactly bursting with energy.

[muppet]

For a team with a full time strength & conditioning coach they weren't exactly bursting with energy.

Bertie and Cowan had economic advisors.

[Donnellys Hollow]

The lilies looked over trained [if that's possible] to me. 9 was gone after fifteen minutes Boston was gone after a half hour along with most of the team. I wonder were they suffering from food poisoning or something? No way are Dublin that good and kildare that bad. Kildare will make a semi final yet.

I presume you're referring to Bolton here. He has been well below peak form for Kildare for two years. He seems to have lost all his pace after bulking up.

As for making a semi final? You must be on the wind up.

[heffo]

For a team with a full time strength & conditioning coach they weren't exactly bursting with energy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZSv4HlyfIo

Too much weights, not enough speedwork

[highorlow]

As for making a semi final? You must be on the wind up.

I always thought that this Kildare team has enough potential to reach a semi final. Last weekend was a freak game imo.

[heffo]

As for making a semi final? You must be on the wind up.

I always thought that this Kildare team has enough potential to reach a semi final. Last weekend was a freak game imo.

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2013/0310/375947-dublin-dismantle-poor-kildare/

[Dinny Breen]

Decent analysis from a Kildare perspective

http://www.kildare-nationalist.ie/2013/07/03/kildare-suffered-from-self-inflicted-wounds/

http://www.kildare-nationalist.ie/2013/07/02/mystery-of-the-missing-defence/

[Ohtoohtobe]

Congrats to the Dublin fans on here. Serious team and if I was a Meath fan I'd have cold sweats thinking of King, Meade and Gillespie trying to deal with that pace around the middle.

As for McGeeney, I'm not going to slaughter him for going man-to-man against Dublin because we tried the opposite in the league and were hammered anyway. Also, every one of us might think we're great saying who should or shouldn't have started and how they should have been set up. But we do so after we've watched 70 minutes of football - McGeeney has to do it before and there were things that were right about his gameplan; for example we did very well on Cluxton's kick outs and if you watch the match again dispassionately we also did very well on Connolly's.

I think one of McGeeney's failings is in making changes once the match is in progress. It was clear after the first Dublin goal that Mick Foley simply couldn't do the job he was asked to - for the first goal, he was 40 yards off Diarmuid Connolly in a matter of seconds. Daniel Flynn could have got the hook within 20 minutes. It was clear Callaghan couldn't track Kilkenny soon after. When you concede nine goal chances in a half, you must try to change things. It might not work, but you must try. Yet five points down - and lucky it wasn't 15 - the only substitution made at half-time was by Jim Gavin, a rookie manager at this level. He saw there was a problem - Hugh McGrillen was dominating Paddy Andrews - he changed it to give McGrillen a different type of challenge, with Eoghan O'Gara - and O'Gara scored 1-2. See the problem, make the call, improve your team. That's good management during a game.

Still, he's brought us a ferociously long way from the depths of 2004-07. I'm going to wait to see how the rest of the season pans out before rushing to any judgements.

[Jinxy]

Congrats to the Dublin fans on here. Serious team and if I was a Meath fan I'd have cold sweats thinking of King, Meade and Gillespie trying to deal with that pace around the middle.

Hopefully at least two of those won't be starting.

[Ohtoohtobe]

Congrats to the Dublin fans on here. Serious team and if I was a Meath fan I'd have cold sweats thinking of King, Meade and Gillespie trying to deal with that pace around the middle.

Hopefully at least two of those won't be starting.

Yeah just going on what started against Wexford. Would seem wise to prioritise pace when picking the team. Maybe I'm missing something but I've never really rated King in particular.

[Jell 0 Biafra]

The lilies looked over trained [if that's possible] to me. 9 was gone after fifteen minutes Boston was gone after a half hour along with most of the team. I wonder were they suffering from food poisoning or something? No way are Dublin that good and kildare that bad. Kildare will make a semi final yet.

I presume you're referring to Bolton here. He has been well below peak form for Kildare for two years. He seems to have lost all his pace after bulking up.

As for making a semi final? You must be on the wind up.

You never know.  Dublin slaughtered Wexford in Leinster a few years back and ended up in the semis. 

[Hound]

Just something nobody has passed any remarks about. Dublin's goal at the end of the first half came a full fifteen seconds after the additional minute had elapsed. 

The extra fifteen seconds occurred not because there had been any delay, injury, substitution or time wasting. It occurred because of the stupid convention that the whistle is never blown while a team is attacking, no matter what time it is. Where did this come from? It's not in the rules. Maybe referees are taking the piss out of  Einstein's theory about time being relative.

As it happens, the only time I've ever seen a referee call time exactly on the button as a team was attacking was in last year's Meath-Kildare Leinster SF

While I agree with the sentiment that when time is up, the ref should blow it up, it does my head in when refs blow it up right on the button of the added time that was signalled some minutes earlier. They usually notify the "fourth official" (or whatever he's called in GAA) a couple of minutes before the end. So any stoppages for injuries, substitutions and time-wasting between then and the end need to be added - a lot of refs don't seem to bother.

Plus refs aren't obliged to add on time in round minutes. We don't know how long the ref in the Dub v KE game decided should be added on when he notified the fourth official - could have been 1 min, 1 min 15 secs, 1 min 45 secs - either way the correct decision would be to signal there will be a minimum of 1 additional minute.

It all came from a free that never was, should have been a Kildare side line ball

I heard that Kildare fans were complaining about that. When I looked at it again, it wasn't even debateable. A clear shoulder by Johnny Doyle into the back of Jonny Cooper. As the commentators said, it was a cast iron free.