Tyrone County Football and Hurling

[DaleCooper]

Look up Tally sticks, early form of currency in Medieval England. 😄

[Onthe40]

Cavan pipped again at the end .. we're unlucky .. hung in well
This gonna be a tight division

[cjx]

Cavan pipped again at the end .. we're unlucky .. hung in well
This gonna be a tight division

Must win next 3 games. I think 7 points will be enough for survival and 11 could well get you promoted but there is absolutely no room for error now.
Surpized Teague was not in from start in Derry? Think despite his size he is best bet for CHB but to snuff out hub of other side attack (he seemed to do  v well v OShea in Semi)as McKernan is surely needed as a raiding wing back? Would McGleenan do as full fwd? Someone in there to clear out a bit of space is badly need to let Canavans and McElhom prosper and l think Donnelly is wasted at full forward he can still take ball into tackle and burst on ( for 40min anyway). Defense is well covered if working to a plan Morgan needs to up his concentration tho but don't like Cullen at wing back.

[Carmen4Life]

People talk about the big problem we have with so many similar forward styles, but when you think of it, after McCurry what left footed attackers do we have. Conroy perhaps the only out and out forward (but not sure Malachy fancies him) - the likes of Seanie and Cathal Donaghy also but not really score getters.
 
Why have we not looked to include some others even to the squad at this stage. The free we missed late on in the game is a tap over free for a lefty. What about Tiarnan Quinn, Danny Fullerton, Pauric Meenagh and Conor Owens. That's the top Four I can think of, is there any others out there. The left footed forwards we have had have been few and far between since Stevie:
 
Darren McCurry
Kyle Coney......
Mark Bradley
 
Think it brings a bit of balance to an attack and is something we could maybe look at?
 
Any other thoughts on other left footers available?

[NotedObserver]

Cavan pipped again at the end .. we're unlucky .. hung in well
This gonna be a tight division

Must win next 3 games. I think 7 points will be enough for survival and 11 could well get you promoted but there is absolutely no room for error now.
Surpized Teague was not in from start in Derry? Think despite his size he is best bet for CHB but to snuff out hub of other side attack (he seemed to do  v well v OShea in Semi)as McKernan is surely needed as a raiding wing back? Would McGleenan do as full fwd? Someone in there to clear out a bit of space is badly need to let Canavans and McElhom prosper and l think Donnelly is wasted at full forward he can still take ball into tackle and burst on ( for 40min anyway). Defense is well covered if working to a plan Morgan needs to up his concentration tho but don't like Cullen at wing back.

Why not cullen at wing back? Think he has done okay but to be fair wasn't in the second half at weekend, the same as Cassidy but wing back is new to him. Do we go back to experience like Burns and Brennan or stick with the youth?

In bad need of middle sector players that can win breaks and move it quickly, R Canavan will get his head up for a kick pass so may be given a chance to see how he gets on around the breaks. Difficult spell coming up with pressure games. Something like below for cavan?

Morgan

Cormac Quinn/Joey Clarke
Aidan Clarke
Niall Devlin

McKernan
Teague
Cassidy

Conn - Not playing well but not much options
Kennedy

Oguz
McElholm
Conor ONeill

Canavan
Jordan
Mattie D/McGarrity/McCurry

[Goals_Will_Come]

Persisting again with McKernan at 6 when its been shown more times than enough that it doesn't work. Brilliant wing back but not the man for holding 6. Thought the subs were very strange the other night - chasing a game and taking off your recognised free taker in Jordan and two point kicker in McKernan, while leaving Cullen and Mattie Donnelly on. If we could get a half back line of McKernan, Rory Brennan and Peter Teague, we should quickly start to turn around results. Bigger issues remain in the half forward line for serious progression in the summer with only Ciaran Daly established as a starter at wing forward - can't keep this chopping and changing there week on week and hope something works. Establish the best option for 11 and 12 and give them a run of games there to nail the position down.

[referee]

Mc kernan is a liability in the half back line,very good corner back nd thats were he should play,Morgan constantly kicking the ball to the middle more or less hoping to win breaks which tyrone didn't even break even on Saturday and therefore give derry an attacking platform in the later part off the game,hit and hope

[DaleCooper]

Could Morgan handle playing outfield? Great pic of him jumping for ball V Derry. Then he has a two point threat.

[giveherlong]

Persisting again with McKernan at 6 when its been shown more times than enough that it doesn't work. Brilliant wing back but not the man for holding 6. Thought the subs were very strange the other night - chasing a game and taking off your recognised free taker in Jordan and two point kicker in McKernan, while leaving Cullen and Mattie Donnelly on. If we could get a half back line of McKernan, Rory Brennan and Peter Teague, we should quickly start to turn around results. Bigger issues remain in the half forward line for serious progression in the summer with only Ciaran Daly established as a starter at wing forward - can't keep this chopping and changing there week on week and hope something works. Establish the best option for 11 and 12 and give them a run of games there to nail the position down.

Don't think you can play both Teague and Brennan in half back line. I know Teague can kick them from distance. Donegal were playing the Kerry reserve team yesterday but look at the lung busting support runs P Mogan and F Roarty making out of defence (even without ball in 70th min). We have very few making those surging runs. Look at the runs the Derry forwards made to drag out Tyrone defenders and open space for Glass goal. Our attacking plan needs serious work.

[NotedObserver]

Persisting again with McKernan at 6 when its been shown more times than enough that it doesn't work. Brilliant wing back but not the man for holding 6. Thought the subs were very strange the other night - chasing a game and taking off your recognised free taker in Jordan and two point kicker in McKernan, while leaving Cullen and Mattie Donnelly on. If we could get a half back line of McKernan, Rory Brennan and Peter Teague, we should quickly start to turn around results. Bigger issues remain in the half forward line for serious progression in the summer with only Ciaran Daly established as a starter at wing forward - can't keep this chopping and changing there week on week and hope something works. Establish the best option for 11 and 12 and give them a run of games there to nail the position down.

Don't think you can play both Teague and Brennan in half back line. I know Teague can kick them from distance. Donegal were playing the Kerry reserve team yesterday but look at the lung busting support runs P Mogan and F Roarty making out of defence (even without ball in 70th min). We have very few making those surging runs. Look at the runs the Derry forwards made to drag out Tyrone defenders and open space for Glass goal. Our attacking plan needs serious work.

Yes did seem to be try to work the ball to McElholm and let him take on players but Derry had McKinlless who is v good and he had help a lot of the times as well so he just layed it off. Not one 2 point opportunity worked for Jordan either which was disappointing.

[giveherlong]

Persisting again with McKernan at 6 when its been shown more times than enough that it doesn't work. Brilliant wing back but not the man for holding 6. Thought the subs were very strange the other night - chasing a game and taking off your recognised free taker in Jordan and two point kicker in McKernan, while leaving Cullen and Mattie Donnelly on. If we could get a half back line of McKernan, Rory Brennan and Peter Teague, we should quickly start to turn around results. Bigger issues remain in the half forward line for serious progression in the summer with only Ciaran Daly established as a starter at wing forward - can't keep this chopping and changing there week on week and hope something works. Establish the best option for 11 and 12 and give them a run of games there to nail the position down.

Don't think you can play both Teague and Brennan in half back line. I know Teague can kick them from distance. Donegal were playing the Kerry reserve team yesterday but look at the lung busting support runs P Mogan and F Roarty making out of defence (even without ball in 70th min). We have very few making those surging runs. Look at the runs the Derry forwards made to drag out Tyrone defenders and open space for Glass goal. Our attacking plan needs serious work.

Yes did seem to be try to work the ball to McElholm and let him take on players but Derry had McKinlless who is v good and he had help a lot of the times as well so he just layed it off. Not one 2 point opportunity worked for Jordan either which was disappointing.

There's the problem.
Our plan is to give the ball to Canavan or McElholm and expect them to work a miracle every time. Good players but ground conditions and physicality against them.

[giveherlong]

Would be good to get a look at R McCullagh at 14 in next game if he is fit

[cjx]

Persisting again with McKernan at 6 when its been shown more times than enough that it doesn't work. Brilliant wing back but not the man for holding 6. Thought the subs were very strange the other night - chasing a game and taking off your recognised free taker in Jordan and two point kicker in McKernan, while leaving Cullen and Mattie Donnelly on. If we could get a half back line of McKernan, Rory Brennan and Peter Teague, we should quickly start to turn around results. Bigger issues remain in the half forward line for serious progression in the summer with only Ciaran Daly established as a starter at wing forward - can't keep this chopping and changing there week on week and hope something works. Establish the best option for 11 and 12 and give them a run of games there to nail the position down.

Don't think you can play both Teague and Brennan in half back line. I know Teague can kick them from distance. Donegal were playing the Kerry reserve team yesterday but look at the lung busting support runs P Mogan and F Roarty making out of defence (even without ball in 70th min). We have very few making those surging runs. Look at the runs the Derry forwards made to drag out Tyrone defenders and open space for Glass goal. Our attacking plan needs serious work.

Yes did seem to be try to work the ball to McElholm and let him take on players but Derry had McKinlless who is v good and he had help a lot of the times as well so he just layed it off. Not one 2 point opportunity worked for Jordan either which was disappointing.

I think mgt. are putting too much pressure on McElholm and he should play wing or roving corner forward. Big problem remains with lack/little mobile strength down the middle but playing a rake of half fit/injured players is ludicrous and dispiriting. Strength and conditioning is seemly not taken seriously in any modern sense by management.This is not the 1980s! Is there any plan?

Have to keep Donnelly in half line for me just now. Jordan great wonderful combo with Daly for goal after 1-9 last build around him but need a rangy full forward. Mebbe Jordan CHF when Donnely subbed
Would Kennedy go full forward for a half at least?
Defense ok with minor adjustments. Hope Morgan is really talking them thru games?

[tiempo]

Tend to agree a bit too much is expected of McElholm, at the same age Brian McGuigan was playing corner forward
Shouldn't have started the semi final last year when it was clear his impact potential off the bench

[DaleCooper]

McElholm is a "cherry on top" player at moment, to add to a team thats going well. Hes ideal for last 20 minute impact sub for now as he grows into big boy game. Getting plenty of game time is a good thing obviously, plus he had a knock.